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00:01<Andrew26>anyone able to answer a filesystem question?
00:01<Tom__>try us!
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00:02<Andrew26>I have 3 servers each with 6hdd's in them, I want to be able to make all systems into 1 large file system thats expandable, any sugestions?
00:02<Frenger>TCW: output it as follows: VGA compatible controller Intel Corp. Auberndale/Haverndale integrated Graphics Controller (Revision 12)
00:03<Tom__>Andrew: That's like a clustering filsystem or something. There's Coda and others in the kernel
00:03<TCW>Frenger, never heard of that before... must be very new then and maybe lennys X does not support that chip yet, ask google
00:04<Tom__>It should work under VESA if nothing else
00:04<TCW>should yes
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00:04<Frenger>The chip is an intel i3, it came out in January I think.
00:04<Frenger>Sorry but what is VESA?
00:05<Tom__>VESA is a 2D video standard, roughly
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00:05<TCW>Frenger, a default gfx mode that almost all gfx cards / chipssupport
00:05<Andrew26>Frenger, trying to get video working on a laptop?
00:05<Frenger>Nope, just installed Debian and trying to get it to show up on the monitor :)
00:06<Tom__>Andrew26: This has more than I've heard of, I've heard of Andrews and Inter-Mezzo and Coda http://www.yolinux.com/TUTORIALS/LinuxClustersAndFileSystems.html
00:06<TCW>Andrew26, you want to make one big fs out of three separate machines?
00:06<Andrew26>TCW: yes
00:07<Andrew26>Tom__: thats more then what I have found, thanks!
00:07<Frenger>I'm a little confused. How would I go about installing/using VESA?
00:08<TCW>isn't oracle coding a cluster fs?
00:08<TCW>Frenger, handcrafting a xorg.conf file
00:08<Tom__>Frenger: VESA is if you can't get the right drivers for your video card... last resort. Your X server already comes with a VESA driver that would just have to be enabled in that case
00:08<Andrew26>They are, its a part of the ZFS system but I tried using gluster with a ZFS, but unable to make them connect to each other
00:08<TCW>Frenger, a very very basic xorg.conf would be enough though
00:10<nostmith>Frenger, it should work without xorg.conf...
00:10<TCW>Andrew26, oracles-cluster-fs-which-name-I-forgot is part of ZFS fromsun?!
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00:11<Frenger>hmm, I've never done that sort of thing before. is IRC the best way to learn to do this?
00:12<Tom__>Frenger: No :-)
00:12<Andrew26>Oracle bought sun
00:12<Frenger>I didn't think so
00:12<Tom__>Oracle bought Sun? Man, I've been living under a rock
00:12<Andrew26>LOL
00:12<Frenger>that was a while ago wasn't it?
00:12<Tom__>No wonder the virtualbox web site seemed to be both sponsored by Oracle and Sun
00:13<Andrew26>yeah, Oracle Solaris is the OS name now.
00:13<TCW>WTF?! Oracle bought Sun?!
00:13<Frenger>come on you guys
00:13<Andrew26>http://www.oracle.com/us/sun/index.htm
00:13<Frenger>this is old news
00:13<Frenger>:)
00:13<Andrew26>LOL
00:14<Tom__>Frenger: I don't know how to get your X to work. Maybe try here another time
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00:14<TCW>Frenger, IRC has the benefit of living people, who can answer questions
00:14<Andrew26>Frenger: what Videocard do you have?
00:14<Frenger>I don't have a video card.
00:15<Andrew26>well that solves that answer
00:15<nostmith>Frenger, and which debian release you use?
00:15<TCW>Frenger, you have one, it is just onboard but you still have one
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00:15<Tom__>He says lspci outputs "Intel Corp. Auberndale/Haverndale integrated Graphics Controller (Revision 12)"
00:15<Frenger>I meant I didn't have a separate one.
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00:15<Andrew26>how about this, what model of laptop/desktop are you working with?
00:15<TCW>Frenger, and THAT is something completely different :)
00:16<TCW>Andrew26, home grown
00:16<Frenger>nostsmith: I'm using a release from here that someone showed me (I forget who) http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/
00:16<nostmith>uname -a
00:16<TCW>Frenger, it is debian stable with just a newer kernel
00:17<Andrew26>What mobo are you using Frenger?
00:17<Tom__>Sun bought Tarantella in 2005, too (formerly the original SCO)
00:17<Frenger>Andrew: it's a Gigabyte 1156
00:18*nostmith is happy 'cus Sun was bought by Oracle and not by Novell.
00:18<TCW>Tom__, yeah... that one I knew and does confuse me still... I have a hard time seeing the line there between Sun, SCO, Tarantella and all the others in the mix
00:19<TCW>And especially the rights of unix (which brings AT&T and Novell into the mix too)
00:19<nostmith>Frenger, do you have a /etc/X11/xorg.conf file?
00:20<Frenger>I would have to check, I did a fresh install and haven't touched a thing
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00:26<TCW>Frenger, how far is the other computer away?
00:26<nostmith>Frenger, you might want to generate one if you don't have. as root do: Xorg -configure
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00:27<Frenger>Sorry, I was doing something else. The other computer is very close by
00:27<Frenger>unfortunately, No such file or directory
00:27<TCW>Frenger, I'd just suggest using ssh...
00:28<TCW>Frenger, that is neither fortunate nor unfortunate, just run Xorg -configure as suggested by nostmith and you will have one :)
00:29<Frenger>and once that's done...?
00:29<nostmith>then you can use it to adjust some things
00:29<TCW>Frenger, edit it?
00:29<Frenger>alright. I'll give it a shot.
00:30<Andrew26>Tom__: That coda FS looks like the right thing, thank you testing it on VM now
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00:30<krebipeti>help, please...i want to create a debian live CD....the lh_config <option bla bla bla> is doin fine, but when i try to lh_build....at first it seem working...but when this step:
00:30<krebipeti> P: Begin creating manifest...
00:30<krebipeti> P: Begin installing local packages lists...
00:30<krebipeti> P: Begin install linux-image...
00:30<krebipeti> P: Begin installing debian-installer...
00:30<krebipeti>it stuck....what's goin on here?? please help
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00:31<krebipeti>help, please...i want to create a debian live CD....the lh_config <option bla bla bla> is doin fine, but when i try to lh_build....at first it seem working...but when this step:
00:31<Frenger>I will return in a moment
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00:31<krebipeti>P: Begin creating manifest...
00:31<krebipeti>P: Begin installing local packages lists...
00:31<ml|>krebipeti: use a pastebin and someone may help you
00:32<krebipeti>thx for the advice
00:32<krebipeti>here the link
00:32<krebipeti>http://pastebin.com/vtcBti9d
00:32<krebipeti>please help me...im stuck
00:34<dba>you didn't show any error.
00:34<krebipeti>that's it
00:34<dba>no
00:34<krebipeti>i try to find the error...but i can't locate it
00:35<krebipeti>my debian live-helper stuck for many hour
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00:35<Tom__>Andrew26: If it works you're welcome. There's also AFS and Lustre. Apparently Lustre's good... I seem to recall
00:35<Frenger>sorry for that, i've moved both computers to the same room
00:35<TCW>Frenger, why the hell that? :)
00:36<Frenger>hahaha
00:36<dba>krebipeti: read all of this: http://live.debian.net/manual/html/bugs.html
00:36<krebipeti>i've been try to rebuild the ISO...but still...it stuck
00:36<Frenger>I can't configure xorg though, I get command not found
00:36<krebipeti>oke...i'll read it
00:36<krebipeti>dba: thx
00:36<TCW>Frenger, after issueing what command?
00:37<Frenger>xorg -configure
00:37<TCW>Frenger, Xorg
00:37<TCW>a BIG X
00:37<TCW>Frenger, all unixoid sstems are very case sensitive
00:37<Frenger>ah i see
00:37<TCW>systems even
00:37<Frenger>i should learn to pay attention to that kind of thing
00:38<Frenger>strange
00:39<TCW>Frenger, what is strange?
00:40<nostmith>Xorg is not installed? haha
00:40<Frenger>after issuing Xorg -configure I was prompted to edit the file I had just created and when I did my screen returnd to the original error message about frequency
00:40<Tom__>that is strange
00:41<TCW>Frenger, huh? How did the creation of xorg.conf leave singleuser mode and start X?
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00:42<Frenger>I've got no clue. Is it possible the problem is with the monitor? The message is bouncing around the screen like monitor messages usually do, and it's quite old compared to the rest of the system
00:43<nostmith>what exactly is the message?
00:43<Frenger>I bought it second hand, but it worked with other distros on another machine>
00:43<Frenger>I will copy it
00:43<tazz>Hey quick question, why does a dir need '+x' perms to cd into it?
00:44<Frenger>Frequency out of range: 90KHz / 60Hz Please change the display mode to 1280 x 1024 with 60Hz
00:44<TCW>tazz, +x means execute and for directories it is the right permission for cd-ing
00:44<Tom__>Tazz: Design of Unix. Why? Because CDing into it is different from reading it, I suppose, and Unix may as well have done soemthing with the permission bit
00:45<tazz>TCW, Tom__ i see...
00:45<Tom__>Tazz: Useful protection bit...
00:46<Frenger>TCW: I've gone back into single user mode and input Xorg -configure
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00:46<TCW>Frenger, why again?
00:46<nostmith>Frenger, do you have a posibility to change the resolution of the monitor? some buttons or something?
00:46<Andrew26>Well thanks for the info on the FS and nice chattin, TTYL
00:46<tazz>yea i just did chmod -x and suddenly i cant cd into any dir. :p didnt knew we need 'x' to cd into those dirs :)
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00:46<Tom__>Andrew: You're welcome
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00:47<Frenger>I get a screen that say my xorg.conf file is /root/xorg.conf.new. To test the server, run X -Config /rood/xorg.conf.new
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00:47<Frenger>i did it again because I couldn't remember what this screen said and couldn't go back with that frequency message.
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00:48<nostmith>and the result is?
00:48<TCW>Frenger, ok... next time first ask then do :)
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00:48<TCW>Frenger, how did you modify xorg.conf?
00:48<nostmith>he didn't
00:48<Frenger>well I didn't modify it...
00:49<Frenger>I ran the command 'To test the server...'
00:49<TCW>Frenger, why should the outcome differ?
00:49<nostmith>the point is. did it work?
00:49<TCW>Frenger, Xorg did create a xorg.conf with the same values it would choose automatically
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00:50<Frenger>I assume it wouldn't, which is why I didn't run it a second time. The screen is still in front of me
00:50<TCW>and as "automatically" your screen says "mode not supported bla bla..."
00:50<Frenger>It's a command prompt. Would this be where I modify the file I previously created?
00:50<TCW>Frenger, yes
00:51<Frenger>alright, that makes sense.
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00:51<TCW>Frenger, are you familiar with any console editors?
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00:52<Frenger>I would have to say no. I'm a recent convert to gnu/linux though I have a passing familiarity with the command prompt from mac osx
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00:52<TCW>Frenger, check "nano"
00:52<TCW>+out
00:54<Frenger>alright, something happened. GNU nano 2.0.7, followed by a prompt and various commands at the bottom (get help, exit, etc)
00:54<nostmith>pres Ctrl+X and exit
00:54<nostmith>you need to: nano /root/xorg.conf
00:54<TCW>Frenger, ctrl+x and then run "nano /root/xorg.conf" :)
00:54<nostmith>sorry. nano /root/xorg.conf.new
00:55<TCW>oh yes... :)
00:55<Frenger>alright
00:55<Tom__>okay, I have a totally separate question... Do I need to get something called Boot Camp in order to dual boot Mac OS X and GNU/Linux on my Imac?
00:55<Frenger>nope
00:55<Frenger>i can help with this :)
00:55<Frenger>you just need the rEFIt bootloader
00:56<asdlgfj>o> Lets compare Haiti's earthquake with Mexicali's. Haiti Quake: 7.0 Mexicali Quake: 7.2 Puerto Principe Population: 2 Million Mexicali Population: 800,000 Haiti Death Toll: 300,000 Mexicali Death Toll: 4 Conclusion: Haitian apes are so retarded that even the buildings of their rich fell, including their monkey president. Meanwhile, the buildings of the poor in Mexicali generally held up. Haitian Coons, nIgGG
00:56<asdlgfj>GEerrs and Jigaboos = FAIL!!!!!!!!!!! Join Chimpout Forum!
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00:56<Tom__>Okay, I'll look that up
00:56<Frenger>the partition your drive
00:56<Tom__>My drive is already partitioned exactly in half with Mac OS X on the first half, though I'm willing to rearrange that or anything else, hypothetically
00:57<Frenger>good
00:57<Frenger>you want to install rEFIt on the OSX partition, and once that's done you install your distro of choice from a live cd
00:57<Frenger>in my experience MEPIS worked best on imacs
00:57<Frenger>I couldn't get many others to work with wireless
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00:58<Tom__>huh... okay, I never thought of that
00:58<Frenger>any others I should say
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00:58<Tom__>(using something other than Debian)
00:58<Frenger>they also have documentation on their site for mac users
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00:59<Frenger>I think I tried to instal debian and it didn't work from a very early point
00:59<Frenger>ubuntu got up to the partitioner before it decided it didn't want to cooperate and fedora had some other problem
01:00<TCW>debian runs fine on my mac... but I must admit it is a g3 :)
01:01<Frenger>I almost got haiku to run on my imac, but their bios only accepted ps/2 keyboards. that was a sad day for me
01:02<Tom__>I'm sorry :-)
01:03<Frenger>regarding my earlier problem I would appear now to be reading the file: /root/xorg.conf.new
01:03<Frenger>thanks, i have hope for future releases though :)
01:04<TCW>Frenger, hm?
01:05<Frenger>I did this "nano /root/xorg.conf.new"
01:05<TCW>Frenger, aaaand?
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01:05<Tom__>Frenger: on the off chance that this will work, if you can find the KHz and Hz settings and change them to 90 and 60 (you can comment out the old lines) and comment out every resolution that isn't 1280x1024 in the screen section... go ahead :-)
01:05<Frenger>i see
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01:06<Frenger>is this the interface to read and edit files in singleuser mode?
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01:07<nostmith>nano is a text editor. there is also vi
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01:08<Tom__>Frenger: Yes.
01:09<Frenger>i might have something here.
01:09<Tom__>Frenger: You can also use more, less, or that new one, most just to view, or lynx or (e)links or w3m, in all text modes or terminal windows
01:10<Tom__>Frenger: And you can use nano, joe, vi, vim, nvi, elvis, emacs, emacs21, xemacs for editing in all text modes or terminals and most of those also have X clients
01:10<Tom__>blah blah blah where are you now?
01:10<Frenger>under Device it gives me various driver options, one of which is <freq>: Hz/kHz/MHz
01:10<nostmith>Frenger, here's my xorg.conf. compare it with yours. http://paste.debian.net/hidden/bf7968c8/
01:11<nostmith>not all the things in there are needed though
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01:11<Frenger>alright, it looks pretty simila
01:11<Frenger>similar
01:12<nostmith>look at Section "Screen"
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01:12<nostmith>and Section "Monitor"
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01:14<Frenger>Mine has almost nothing under monitor
01:15<Frenger>Identifier, VendorName, ModelName with generic names next to each of them
01:15<Frenger>and that is all
01:16<nostmith>HorizSync and VertRefresh is what you need to add in there. check the back of your mnonitor or the manual if you still have it.
01:16<Tom__>He can just use the frequencies the displayed error told him to use, can't he?
01:16<Frenger>I knew buying a (very reasonably priced) secondhand monitor on craigslist would have an eventual downside
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01:17<nostmith>does it has anything printed on the back? name, model etc?
01:17<Frenger>I'm looking it up now.
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01:19<Frenger>what about Tom's suggestion though
01:19<nostmith>i have no idea if it will work
01:20<Frenger>HorizSync and VertRefresh aren't measured in Hz and pixels are they? I don't think it's the same information
01:20<nostmith>in Section "Screen" add Option "metamodes" "1280x1024_60 +0+0"
01:21<nostmith>not sure about those 2. if no info on the monitor is kinda hard to guess...
01:21<Frenger>yeah, the power cord happens to be blocking the model number if you'll believe that...
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01:22<Frenger>for me under screen I have several subsections "display" each with Viewport and Depth
01:22<Frenger>the depth changes on each one
01:23<Tom__>You can ignore those
01:23<TCW>Frenger, see http://www.arachnoid.com/modelines/ it may help
01:23<Frenger>I'm adding what nostmith suggested below them
01:24<Tom__>You only need one
01:25<Frenger>Can they stay put or should I delete them?
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01:25<Tom__>I guess they can stay put
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01:27<nostmith>try HorizSync 63.60 and VertRefresh 60.00 in Section "Monitor"
01:27<Tom__>It's okay if your "Monitor" section has only generic names
01:27<nostmith>or even HorizSync 63.60
01:27<Frenger>alright
01:28<Tom__>You can put in HorizSync 90 and VertRefresh 60 and that might be enough to get your X working
01:28<Tom__>er yeah hi
01:29<Frenger>ok so with those values in horizsync and vertsync and the options I added under 'Screen" should I give it another shot?
01:30<Frenger>and a quick question for the syntax, it looks like this (one line):
01:30<Frenger>Option "metamodes" "1280x1024_60 +0+0"
01:31<Tom__>okay but wait
01:31<Frenger>is each one of those a seperate option on a new line
01:31<Frenger>i learned my lesson, first ask then do :)
01:31<Tom__>yes, but the sync options go in the monitor section and the metamode goes in the screen section (right?)
01:31<Frenger>yes
01:31<nostmith>compare with my xorg.conf
01:32<Frenger>ok
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01:32<Tom__>if your screen goes to the error message again, try pressing ctrl+alt+backspace to force X to close, you should get your command prompt back... in fact you have to do this even if it works
01:32<Frenger>its consistent with yous
01:32<Frenger>but wait
01:32<Frenger>first I have to save this file correct? and exit nano?
01:32<nostmith>ctrl+x
01:32<nostmith>y
01:32<nostmith>enter
01:32<Frenger>no need to save?
01:33<nostmith>do that and you'l save it. :)
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01:33<Frenger>oh, that was evident
01:33<Frenger>:)
01:33<Frenger>alright I'm at my command prompt
01:34<nostmith>Xorg -config /root/xorg.conf.new
01:34<Tom__>Xorg -config xorg.conf.new I believe, remember ctrl+alt+backspace to force X to close
01:35<Frenger>interesting
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01:36<Frenger>it gave me the same error, but when I did ctrl+alt+backspace I now see a log of what's happened
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01:37<Tom__>did you try HorizSync 63.60 or 90?
01:37<Tom__>the log probably won't be interesting because it wouldn't record information about your screen not displaying... it doesn't know your screen's not displaying
01:38<Frenger>first up, (EE) unable to locate/open config file: "root/xorg/.conf.new"
01:38<Frenger>I tried 63.60
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01:38<nostmith>wrong path
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01:38<Frenger>that's what I thought
01:38<nostmith>it's /root/xorg.conf.new
01:38<nostmith>or it should. haha
01:39<Frenger>I must have stuck an extra / in there
01:39<Frenger>how would I change that?
01:39<nostmith>just retype the command
01:40<nostmith>Xorg -config /root/xorg.conf.new
01:40<TCW>Frenger, get used to tab-completion
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01:40<Frenger>hmm, I got an error
01:41<Frenger>Problem parsing the config file
01:41<Qebafhzn>hey... debian noob here. i'm pretty well versed with computers, but i need some help with something...
01:41<nostmith>!ask Qebafhzn
01:41<nostmith>erm, dpkg is not here. haha
01:41<Qebafhzn>dpkg?
01:41<Qebafhzn>i'm not really installing anything
01:42<nostmith>nevermind. dpkg is a bot with some nice factoids.
01:42<Tom__>Frenger: Which errors?
01:42<Qebafhzn>i'm trying to figure out how to run Blender 2.52, but it won't let me open the app.
01:42<Frenger>oh wait
01:42<Qebafhzn>i moved the .blender to the /home folder and everything...
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01:43<Frenger>it says using config file: /root/xorg.conf.new parse erron or line 49 of section monitor. VertSync is not a valid keyword in this section
01:43<Qebafhzn>umm...
01:43<Qebafhzn>when i tryed to open the executable with the terminal, i got this:
01:44<Tom__>change VertSync to VertRefresh
01:44<Qebafhzn>/home/chandler/Desktop/blender-2.5-alpha2-linux-glibc27-x86_64/blender: error while loading shared libraries: libsamplerate.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
01:44<Tom__>ctrl+x, y, run, ctrl+alt+backspace, report to us
01:44<Qebafhzn>do i have to move it to the /bin folder or something?
01:44<nostmith>i guess you installed it from source?
01:44<Frenger>will do
01:44<Qebafhzn>No. I just downloaded the compiled executable.
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01:45<chandler_>nick Qebafhzn
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01:45<Qebafhzn>xchat isn't saving my settings :p
01:46<nostmith>it does in ~/.xchat usually
01:46<Qebafhzn>I well huh
01:47<nostmith>i guess you need that file, and make a symlink to it?
01:47<Qebafhzn>but yeah, sorry for being a linux virgin, but whenever i click on the "blender" executable, nothing happens
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01:47<Qebafhzn>what's a symlink?
01:48<nostmith>a symbolic link (also symlink or soft link) is a special type of file that contains a reference to another file or directory
01:48<Tom__>Qebafhzn: Is it marked executable (rwx)? Try running it from a terminal, cd whateverblenderdirectory ; ./blenderexecutable
01:49<Frenger>no dice, looking at the log file there are no errors but I do get: (WW) VESA(0): Failed to set up write conbining range (0xe3c00000,0x3f0000)
01:49<Frenger>and 4 other identical warnings with different values at the end
01:49<Qebafhzn>nostmith: you mean like a launcher?
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01:50<nostmith>Qebafhzn, if you really want details check http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symbolic_link
01:50<Tom__>Frenger: Nevermind those. Try changing HorizSync to 90 and doing all that again
01:51<Frenger>90 or 90.00
01:51<nostmith>90.00
01:51<Frenger>alright
01:51<nostmith>not that it really counts, but to be sure. haha
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01:53<Frenger>and I'll leave horizsync at 63.60?
01:53<nostmith>Qebafhzn, i guess you need to find that file and where it should be. then you can copy it where you want ti and make a symlink if you don't want to have it in the standard path.
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01:54<Tom__>Frenger: You're changing the HorizSync and leaving the VertRefresh alone
01:54<nostmith>Qebafhzn, i'd try to use the 2.49.2 blender that is in debian's repos. it should work.
01:55<Qebafhzn>nostmith, This is going way over my head, honestly. I think I'll be uninstalling this and expanding th windows partition. uninstalling
01:55<Frenger>ok, I messed up. back in nano I have horiz at 90.00 and vert at 60.00, correct?
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01:55<Tom__>Frenger: yeah, that. try it :-)
01:55<Frenger>alright
01:56<Tom__>I hope this works
01:56<nostmith>Qebafhzn, just open a root terminal and do: aptitude install blender
01:56<Frenger>the moment of truth
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01:56<Frenger>nope, no dice
01:56<Qebafhzn>The problem is, i don't want to install the stable blender. i want the beta.
01:57<Tom__>Frenger: You can check less /var/log/Xorg.0.log to see what frequencies it actually tried to use...
01:58<nostmith>Qebafhzn, i guess you should try to compile it from source. would still be a better solution than using windows IMHO.
01:58<sney>Qebafhzn, nostmith: I guess there's a blender 2.5 alpha deb in experimental that might work better than trying to build it from source... maybe
01:58<Qebafhzn>nostmith, I am sure as hell not going to try source compiling.
01:58<Qebafhzn>but i'll try something else
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01:58<Frenger>Thanks for the help you guys but I think I'm going to call it a night. I might try a different monitor tomorrow but I'll probably be back in IRC at some point
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02:01<nostmith>Qebafhzn, i see that in experimental is 2.50~alpha~0~svn24834-2
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02:03<Qebafhzn>nostmith, you mean the apt-get package?
02:04<nostmith>i mean in the experimental repository. if you want to use that one you have to edit your sources.list first, if you never used experimental before, on this system
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02:05<nostmith>but i 2.50 is still not 2.52, anyway
02:06<Qebafhzn>Uggh, I'm done with Linux. The things they say about it being very not user-friendly are true in a way...
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02:08<TCW>"The things they say"... better "The fundamental things they don't understand about GNU/Linux"
02:08*nostmith ignorance is not bliss, but a headache
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02:08<nostmith>on the other hand, some things are too slow in debian repos...
02:09<nostmith>take iceweasel for example. is how many versions behind firefox, 3-4?
02:10<nostmith>even in sid some packages are old.
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02:11<sney>the wine maintainer has been asleep at the switch for probably years at this point
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02:28<TCW>sney, see this: 1.1.24-2 0
02:28<TCW> 1 http://ftp.de.debian.org experimental/main Packages
02:28<TCW>regarding wine
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02:29<sney>TCW: eh, I've just got lamaresh. worksforme(tm)
02:29<amitz>heh, I thought wine 1.1 was considered unstable by package maintainer.
02:30<TCW>amitz, it is... sometimes I don't get the debian policy there about stable / dev versions too
02:31<TCW>sney, lamaresh?
02:31<sney>3rd party repo that's in line with winehq.com releases
02:31<TCW>I c
02:32<TCW>anyway, need to go, bbl
02:33<nostmith>how do i make aptitude accept a 3rd party key? trying to install bluefish and aptitude can't verify the key. though i do have the key listed by apt-key list
02:33<amitz>well, IIRC wine 1.1 introduce major changes.If I'm a package maintainer, I won't drop the 1.0. I'll probably give choice to install either 1.0 or 1.1
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02:37<mjt>wine-1.1 is a development release so far
02:38<mjt>s/release/series/
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02:39<nostmith>verry odd think. i just installed the key package with aptitude and it wasn't able to verify the key. installing it with apt-get made it working. is this normal?
02:40<sney>no.
02:40<nostmith>erm, actually is still not working.
02:40<sney>sounds like whoever made that 3rd party repo didn't really do it right.
02:40<ottoshmidt>is there a genius internal modem driver available for linux?
02:41<sney>ottoshmidt: depends on the modem, but often not - look up linmodems
02:41<ottoshmidt>ok
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02:41<nostmith>i was trying to install bluefish as on http://bfwiki.tellefsen.net/index.php/Installing_Bluefish
02:41<sney>the best way to use dialup under linux is to find an old external serial modem and use that. usually people give them away.
02:41<valdyn>ottoshmidt: it can be listed already in /proc/asound/cards
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02:42<valdyn>ottoshmidt: if it is you have a driver already
02:42<valdyn>ottoshmidt: like: 1 [Modem ]: ICH-MODEM - Intel 82801DB-ICH4 Modem
02:43<ottoshmidt>valdyn, actually i don't have a modem installed on pc yet
02:46<amitz>mjt: I see.
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02:49<firefox>has the dmraid offset for the sb700 fake raid set been added to the net inst cd yet?
02:49<sney>if it had there would be a record of it in the bts
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02:58<peej>how do I make qiv an option of xscreensaver in lenny?
02:59<peej>I'm trying to have a slideshow on idle. Eg: qiv --maxpect --fullscreen --random --readonly --slide --delay 10 digipicframephotos/
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03:00<peej>bug #360514 suggests it is possible (http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-bugs-closed@lists.debian.org/msg100852.html)
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03:03<Ignition>Hey
03:04<Ignition>Someone help me install debian when im on ubuntu , i got dual boot with win7 and ubuntu butr i crashed it :P
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03:04<Ignition>Someone help me install debian when im on ubuntu , i got dual boot with win7 and ubuntu butr i crashed it
03:05<Ignition>Noone help io see
03:05<nostmith>you should write clear...
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03:07<Ignition>Ok
03:07<nostmith>1st don't demand to be helped but ask. 2nd what exactly you want? install ubuntu because you crashed it, or install debian and get rid of windows 7?
03:07<Ignition>Wel i want Debian instead of *Ubuntu
03:08<nostmith>how you intend to install debian? can you use a cd or a usb stick?
03:09<Ignition>I got both
03:09<nostmith>but you want to save data from ubuntu i guess
03:09<Ignition>Got nothing here
03:09<Ignition>So thats not a problem
03:11<Ignition>Didnt get anything
03:11<peej>aha: http://www.jwz.org/xscreensaver/faq.html#slideshow
03:11<gsimmons>firefox: Which SB700 offset? 974?
03:11<nostmith>Ignition, so, what exactly you want help with?
03:11<Ignition>I think i found out
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03:13<Ignition>Now i got a iso file . so i burn it to a CD and use it as live cd?
03:14<Ignition>burning as contents now
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03:14<nostmith>wait
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03:15<nostmith>what you use to burn the image?
03:15<cahoot>!wwsr
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03:16<Ignition>i used uhm
03:16<Ignition>CD/DVD creator
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03:17<Ignition>Now i got the cd burned out
03:17<Ignition>i put the cd in and restart?
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03:19<Ignition>Nostmith
03:19<Ignition>Answer?
03:19<nostmith>Ignition, that should work, as long as you made the cd in the right way
03:19<Ignition>AMD64
03:19<Ignition>http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst
03:19<Ignition>downloaded here
03:20<Ignition>small cd
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03:20<Ignition>but when i run it how can i replace ubuntu
03:20<nostmith>i mean if you burn it as image not as content.
03:20<Ignition>fuck xD
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03:20<Ignition>Damn
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03:21<Ignition>it was burn as file and content tho
03:21<nostmith>you opened the iso and copied the content to the cd?
03:21<Ignition>do i copyed the iso file and putted in CD/DVD creator
03:21<nostmith>what is on the cd now?
03:22<Ignition>i cant seem to run the cd
03:22<Ignition>nothing happends
03:23<Ignition>i cant open the cd
03:24<Ignition>Maybe i try Network boot
03:24<nostmith>look in the Places menu. there should be something to open the cd.
03:24<Ignition>Im in Disk utility
03:25<Ignition>Says Debian 5.0.4 is in the diskroom
03:25<Ignition>disc
03:25<nostmith>that's good.
03:25<nostmith>you can also open nautilus and check from there
03:26<nostmith>but i guess you should be ok
03:26<Ignition>Wheres "Nautilus"
03:26<Ignition>i just try to restart my pc and see what happends
03:26<nostmith>better
03:26<Ignition>Seeya soon
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03:27<nostmith>please pay atention to what you do when partitioning.
03:27<nostmith>you don't want to wipe your data.
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03:31<nathan>hi, i've installed kde desktop environment but now i have problem with all my soft wich using gtk. When i want to run this kind of app, this error is returned : http://pastebin.com/phDjN0Rt. I ve installed codeblocks from the sources and i compile all the dep from the sources too
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03:37<nathan>i precise i'm using lenny 503 and i think this problem appear after my last system upgrade
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03:38<nathan>(but i'm not sure), there is a way to take a look at the changes of the last upgrade?
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03:40<nostmith>nathan, i'd look in /var/log/apt, /var/log/aptitude, /var/log/dpkg
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03:43<nathan>nostmith: i've only a aptitude file but nothing interessting about my last upgrade
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03:44<nostmith>nathan, /var/log/apt is a filder and /var/log/dpkg must be there no matter what frontend you use to install packages, iirc
03:44<nathan>ok
03:45<nathan>i will go on #gnome to try to find help
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04:03<einar_>hey
04:03<einar_>im ignition.
04:03<einar_>just installed debian
04:03<einar_>when i start it it says login
04:03<einar_>i used Sander
04:03<einar_>and entered my password
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04:03<einar_>and what i do to start debian
04:03<einar_>i dont know how to start it
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04:04<einar_>I need help!'
04:04<einar_>how to start debian
04:04<einar_>startx dosnt work
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04:06<einar_>guys need help
04:07<Gathond>sounds like you did not install X
04:07<Gathond>startx is in the xbase-clients package
04:08<einar_>Wel
04:08<einar_>idk
04:08<einar_>Startx dosnt work
04:09<einar_>any other way to start
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04:10<Gathond>doesn't work or not there?
04:11<nathan26>hi, i've installed kde desktop environment but now i have problem with all my soft wich using gtk. When i want to run this kind of app, this error is returned : http://pastebin.com/phDjN0Rt. I ve installed codeblocks from the sources and i compile all the dep from the sources too
04:12<einar_>And i can login with all..
04:12<einar_>i tryed root and sander
04:12<einar_>says -bash startx: kommando hittades inte wich means command not found
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04:13<Gathond>einar_: install xbase-clients
04:13<einar_>how
04:14<Gathond>or (if you prefer some graphical login) gdm, xdm, kdm or whatever else you prefer
04:14<Gathond>aptitude install xbase-clients
04:14<Gathond>or the other on
04:14<Gathond>dependin on which tasks you choose during install you may not have any X server at all
04:14<Gathond>nor any desktop environment for it to use
04:15<einar_>do i need to login as root?'
04:15<Gathond>you need to be root to install it
04:15<Gathond>either directly or through su or sudo
04:15<einar_>i cant even start my debian
04:16<einar_>im bootscreen
04:16<einar_>i login in bootscreen
04:17<einar_>root and my password?'
04:17<Gathond>bootscreen?
04:17<einar_>y
04:17<einar_>yes
04:17<Gathond>you mean the terminal login prompt?
04:17<Gathond>or grub
04:17<einar_>not terminal
04:17<einar_>when i start my computer
04:17<einar_>then i get a black command promt
04:17<Gathond>yes, with a login prompt?
04:17<einar_>says login
04:18<einar_>yes
04:18<Gathond>that is debian
04:18<einar_>yeh
04:18<Gathond>it is started at that point
04:18<Gathond>just without the GUi interface, which is entirely optional
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04:18<einar_>i login as root?'
04:18<Gathond>it sounds like you (during the install) did not choose the desktop task
04:18<Gathond>sure
04:18<Gathond>login with the root password you set
04:18<einar_>and what now
04:19<Gathond>after you are logged in install xbase-clients
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04:19<einar_>done
04:20<einar_>startx still dosnt work
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04:22<einar_>something is really wronh
04:22<Gathond>as in not found or as in failing to start X
04:22<einar_>not found
04:22<einar_>it was apitude install xbase-clients?'
04:23<Gathond>it was ... once, however checking my machine it appears to have been changed to xinit
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04:23<gsimmons>Gathond: Post-Etch, startx within in the xinit package.
04:23<gsimmons>dpkg: install x
04:23<dpkg>To install X in Debian Etch or later: "aptitude update && aptitude install xorg". You may also want to install a desktop environment - ask me about <install gnome>, <install kde>, <install xfce>, <install lxde> - or a window manager, ask me about <window manager>. To reconfigure your X server, ask me about <drxx>.
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04:23<Gathond>gsimmons: people should stop messing with my ancient knowledge:)
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04:23<einar_>Soo
04:24<einar_>Any idea how i can fix this
04:25<einar_>and its no package named xbase-clients
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04:26<mxh>check /var/log/Xorg.0.log
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04:27<einar_>that was nothing
04:28<einar_>This is annoying , i been thinking about installing for months and i cant get it to work
04:30<einar_>Any idea guys
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04:31<nathan26>nobody can help me?
04:31<mxh>nathan26, what's your problem ?
04:31<nathan26>copy past :) -> hi, i've installed kde desktop environment but now i have problem with all my soft wich using gtk. When i want to run this kind of app, this error is returned : http://pastebin.com/phDjN0Rt. I ve installed codeblocks from the sources and i compile all the dep from the sources too
04:32<nathan26>i find many person with the same problem on the internet but i don't find a way to fix it
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04:32<Gathond>einar_: the package is called xinit not xbase-clients, my mistake, but you shoudl probably follow the advice gsimmons came with, and install one of the desktop environments and it will take the rest along for the ride
04:32<mxh>I always use gnome.
04:33<einar_>Gathond
04:33<einar_>no file
04:34<Gathond>einar_: aptitude install xinit
04:34<Gathond>it was a package name, not a command
04:34<einar_>dosnt work
04:34<einar_>no name or package named xinit
04:34<nathan26>mxh: in fact, if i changed for kde, it's cause i got a weired error at launch
04:35<einar_>ill just want to run my debian
04:35<einar_>but i cant cause of the crappy command startx wont work
04:35<Gathond>einar_: if you are at the command prompt technically debian is already running
04:35<nathan26>my gdm restart 6 times before return this : "gdm has beed restart 6 times in less than 90 seconds, there is maybe a problem. A new tentative in 2min..."
04:35<einar_>but no desktop
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04:35<Gathond>how did you install it, and from what
04:35<einar_>a cd
04:35<Gathond>einar_: no that bit is entirely optional
04:36<einar_>A live cd
04:36<einar_>AMD64
04:36<nathan26>mxh: i try to reinstall my gnome manager bu without success
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04:37<einar_>http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst
04:37<einar_>downloaded from here
04:37<einar_>small cds
04:37<einar_>and64 file
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04:38<Gathond>right, the netinstall would not contain anything but the very basics to allow for installing the rest of the internet
04:38<Gathond>what did the aptitude command do exactly?
04:38<mxh>you must connect Internet during your installation
04:39<einar_>?'
04:39<einar_>when i use aptitude a new screen comes up
04:39<musca>nathan26: after several strange errors i'd perform a memtest
04:39<einar_>with alot of packages
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04:40<einar_>like admin
04:40<Gathond>einar_: yes, exit that and write "aptitude install xinit"
04:40<Gathond>and put the output in some pastebin
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04:41<einar_>its no package named that
04:41<einar_>its on norwegian tho
04:41<einar_>No packages will be installed
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04:42<mxh>can you use apt-get ?
04:42<einar_>y
04:43<einar_>Yes i can
04:43<mxh>use apt to install the xinit
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04:43<einar_>its no package named that
04:44<mxh>What's your Debian ,lenny or etch ?
04:45<einar_>Really dont know
04:45<einar_>http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst
04:45<einar_>this one
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04:45<einar_>small cd amd64
04:47<einar_>so
04:47<mxh>if you use the small cd to install your debian ,you must connect the internet during your installation
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04:48<einar_>i am connected i think..
04:48<einar_>shoud i reinstall and with ur help?'
04:49<einar_>?'
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04:50<einar_>Mxh
04:50<mxh>yes
04:51<einar_>should i ?'
04:51<einar_>Reinstall debian and you help me ?'
04:51<mxh>yes
04:51<mxh>use the live cd best
04:52<einar_>link pleasE?''
04:52<einar_>is it the small cd?'
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04:53<mxh>650MB
04:53<einar_>where is it?'
04:53<mxh>http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.4/amd64/iso-cd/
04:54<mxh>download the CD-1.iso
04:54<einar_>hope i got a burning program here
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04:55<mxh>you can install from harddisk
04:55<einar_>not on this computer
04:55<einar_>its on my other i want debian
04:55<einar_>then i need to burn it
04:55<einar_>tell a free program to burn
04:56<mxh>I use the nero ,but it is not free
04:56<einar_>tell me a freeone='
04:57<einar_>imageburn?'
04:58<mxh>i only know the nero ,sorry
04:59<mxh>do you have a removable hard disk ?
04:59<einar_>this should work :P*
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05:00<einar_>Can u guide me through?'
05:00<locklace>!u
05:00<dpkg>Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201
05:01<mxh>yes ,i'll try my best
05:01<einar_>Thanks
05:02<mxh>i have use the netinstall cd to install my debian once ,but it cost so much time
05:02<einar_>isee
05:03<mxh>so i always use the cd-1 and internet to install debian
05:04<mxh>it will cost 1.5 hours
05:05<einar_>with cd1?'
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05:06<mxh>yes
05:07<amitz>mxh: nowadays you can use dvd-1 instead
05:07<mxh>my cdrom can't read dvd
05:08<einar_>6 minutes and its done
05:10<mxh>use the small cd ?
05:14<einar_>the one u sended
05:14<einar_>biggest
05:14<mxh>download in 6 minutes ?
05:15<einar_>dude
05:15<einar_>it was a rar file
05:15<einar_>with alot of files
05:15<einar_>how can i burn that
05:16<mxh>you use xp now ?
05:16<einar_>yes
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05:16<mxh>https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BurningIsoHowto
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05:17<einar_>dude
05:17<einar_>its not a iso
05:18<einar_>file
05:18<einar_>its a rar file with alot of things inside
05:18<einar_>like doc
05:18<einar_>instal
05:18<einar_>l
05:18<einar_>tools
05:18<einar_>pics
05:18<einar_>setup.exe
05:18<mxh>what the size of the rar file
05:19<Ganneff>!enter
05:19<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
05:19<mxh>i found a free cd burner here :http://infrarecorder.org/
05:19<einar_>i got a burner:P'
05:19<einar_>rar file is over 600mb
05:20<einar_>i could burn the folder or rar file tho
05:20<Ganneff>debian does not come with setup.exe and not in a rar file
05:20<Ganneff>if you want to have debian:
05:20<Ganneff>!cd1
05:20<dpkg>There are CD-1 choices for various DEs (Desktop Environments) - there's one for GNOME, another for KDE, and one for XFCE/LXDE. For example; if you wanted the XFCE/LXDE CD-1 of Lenny, you'd grab -> debian-500-i386-xfce+lxde-CD-1.iso from the mirrors (if you were going for i386 arch). Also ask me about <installer firmware>, <release notes>, <ig>, <setup.exe>.
05:20<Ganneff>download an iso, burn that.
05:20<einar_>i downloaded cd one
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05:21<einar_>http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.4/amd64/iso-cd/
05:21<einar_>here
05:21<mxh>don't copy the rar flle to the cd directly !
05:21<Ganneff>then burn that iso image with whatever function your burn tool offers you
05:21<Ganneff>and boot from the cd
05:21<einar_>i make a folder and put all contents in it and burn the folder.
05:22<Ganneff>no.
05:22<mxh>your another computer have a 64 bit cpu ?
05:22<Ganneff>you look for the iso burn function in your tool
05:23<einar_>But its no iso file in cd1..
05:23<einar_>im using imgburn
05:23<einar_>on my xp
05:23<Ganneff>you downloaded an iso file
05:23<gsimmons>Ganneff: AFAIK, the amd64 and i386 CD/DVD1 images are supplied with win32-loader (setup.exe).
05:23<Ganneff>burn exactly that file to a cd. dont try to open it
05:23<mxh>iso file will appear as a rar file on xp
05:23<Ganneff>then use the cd
05:23<Ganneff>boot from it
05:23<Ganneff>oh fuck how broken is winblows?=
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05:23<einar_>windows ir screwed
05:23<Ganneff>an iso as rar? wth?
05:24<einar_>when i downloaded cd1
05:24<einar_>Then the file is rar
05:24<Ganneff>einar_: anyways. do *NOT* open the file. use your brun program to burn it as iso to cd
05:24<mxh>einar_: anyways. do *NOT* open the file. use your brun program to burn it as iso to cd
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05:25<einar_>Xp is gay,,
05:25<mxh>https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BurningIsoHowto
05:25<mxh>see it
05:25<einar_>Dosnt help cause he is using.iso
05:25<einar_>and i got like 100 things
05:26<einar_>like doc css disk install install.amd
05:26<einar_>setup.exe
05:26<einar_>win32 loader
05:26<einar_>and all that
05:27<einar_>I could send a prtscreen
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05:27<mxh>https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BurningIsoHowto
05:27<mxh>it tells how to burn a cd step by step
05:28<einar_>iknow
05:28<einar_>but its wrong
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05:28<einar_>i dont got that file
05:28<einar_>Do you have email?'
05:28<einar_>i can send a screenshot what i mean
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05:29<mxh>i try to send the file to you
05:30<einar_>in cd1 its an debian installer lol
05:30<einar_>but on wrong pc
05:30<einar_>thats gay
05:30<einar_>"Debian Installer Loader"'
05:31<mxh>can you give me your email ,and i send the file to you ?
05:31<einar_>sanderjev@live.no
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05:32<mxh>my email is mxhhaixin@gmail.com
05:32<einar_>Just send it :)
05:33<mxh>what is it after the live. ?
05:33<einar_>.no
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05:34<mxh>wait a minute
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05:38<einar_>going to send?'
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05:41<mxh>i sended it
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05:41<mxh>but i used another email address mxhhaixin@126.com
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05:41<mxh>the gmail don't allow me to send the file
05:42<mxh>check your email
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05:42<mxh>go to the site https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BurningIsoHowto,got help
05:42<einar_>i will send a picture what i mean
05:43<einar_>Check ur mail
05:43<einar_>and see
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05:48<mxh>which address you use ?
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05:49<mxh>i have not got your email
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05:53<mxh>einar: I have to go to have my supper .if you have any problem ,send mail to me,use the address mxhhaixin@126.com or mxhhaixin@gmail.com
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05:56<futilius>hi guys
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05:57<futilius>i'm trying to get my fans to not run at full speed. pwmconfig can't find any modules modules..
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06:14<Capten>bagemana cara pake'Nya ini
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06:17<Capten>How do I use IRC
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06:25<otilia>hi
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06:26<otilia>please I need help for romanian localization under lenny: I got square character in certain words :(
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06:27<cahoot>otilia: use utf-8
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06:28<otilia>cahoot: how?
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06:28<cahoot>I'd guess dpkg-reconfigure locales
06:28<otilia>cahoot: I'm using kde
06:29<otilia>cahoot: other users use italian and english
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06:30<cahoot>otilia: define LANG=XX_xx-utf-8 for each user?
06:30<otilia>cahoot: uh?
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06:32<cahoot>http://www.debian.org/international/Romanian
06:32<otilia>cahoot: tx
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06:36<otilia>cahoot: no way! squares remain
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06:42<otilia>cahoot: done changing font: Sans Serif -> Liberation Serif, and so on
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07:13<pilou>hi, do everyone know how wireshark detect the protocol for each packet (http, tcp, ...)?
07:13<tzafrir_laptop>pilou, have you actually tried?
07:14<tzafrir_laptop>wireshark is normally quite good and doesn't need hints
07:14<pilou>actually i'm writting a python script but I try to understand how to detect the protocol type (http, tcp, ...)
07:14<pilou>I saw wireshark detects it but try to understand how
07:15<dutchfish>libwiretap.so.0 => /usr/lib/wireshark/libwiretap.so.0
07:15<tzafrir_laptop>tcp is a "protocol" (as in /etc/protocols). In that sense http is a "service" (as in /etc/services).
07:15<pilou>you're right but HTTP appears in the "protocol" column in Wireshark
07:16<Lethalman>http is a protocol
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07:17<tzafrir_laptop>Lethalman, so are ip and ethernet
07:18<Lethalman>eh
07:18*dutchfish mumbles something about learning the OSI layer ....
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07:24<pilou>Actually I'm strying to understand if there is an information in the packet that indicates that it is HTTP or DNS or ???
07:24<dr|z3d>pilou: Try wireshark, see what you can see..
07:24<Lethalman>pilou, no, it's about guessing it
07:25<Gathond>pilou: of cause there is, for one in http the header starts with HTTP (after that first package wireshark assumes the rest of that tcp stream is a cuntinuation of that http conversation
07:26<pilou>If it is about guessing, that means I have to try regexp to catch "GET"/"HTTP" for HTTP, "HELO" for SMTP, etc. Is that right?
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07:26<Lethalman>Gathond, eh? there's no HTTP in the header
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07:26<Lethalman>pilou, you can rely on the port number simply
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07:27<Gathond>pilou: that is probably a bit too simple
07:27<Gathond>Lethalman: well the HTTP header itself contains that string, as well as a version
07:27<dutchfish>If you want to grasp wireshark, start simple with tcpdump and read up some tutors. Things like ARP, ports, proto's, connection tracking, iptables etc are basic stuff
07:27<Lethalman>Gathond, it's not enough you have to rely on the port number too
07:27<Gathond>its not in the TCP/IP header, no, but it is in the information if it wan't to track it
07:27<Gathond>Lethalman: wireshark does not assume anything about the ports I believe
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07:28<Lethalman>Gathond, I believe the opposite
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07:28<Gathond>I've seen it track stuff as http regardless of the initial destination port
07:28<Gathond>it used the port numbers to track the conversation, but that is the TCP stream tracking kicking in
07:29<pilou>Agree with Gathond. Indeed, what aboout if server listens on a non-standard port like 8080 port http? Or even worst: 81?
07:29<Gathond>wireshark may be more likely to see it as http if is is port 80 or 8080
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07:29<Gathond>but I don't believe it use that to exclusively rule stuff out
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07:33<pilou>ok thx very much for your answers guys.
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07:36<einar_>i got a problem installing debian
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07:36<einar_>this ftp.no.debian.org dosnt work
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07:38<einar_>i cant install it
07:38<einar_>I need some help
07:38<einar_>Some kind or mirror close to my network
07:38<einar_>non i availible
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07:39<einar_>What should i do
07:39<einar_>i i skip in i get no network
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07:42<einar_>IM giving up
07:43<einar_>tryed to install debian for hours
07:43<edrz>einar_: choose another mirror.
07:43<einar_>I did
07:43<einar_>didnt work
07:43<einar_>so i had to skip
07:43<einar_>and startx
07:43<einar_>dosnt work
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07:45<einar_>im screwed and debian deletet my win7
07:45<Lethalman>einar_, it connects but no download?
07:45<einar_>I cant get to the desktop
07:45<einar_>says login and i logged in
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07:46<einar_>And i wrote Startx and it says its no command
07:47<tzafrir_laptop>einar_, you know, it would help if you actually answered some questions rather than merely ranting
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07:48<einar_>Didnt understand his question
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07:51<peej>dpkg, doesn't work?
07:51<dpkg>Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions> and <errors>.
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07:53<einar_>What is ESSID''
07:54<Gathond>http://www.cryer.co.uk/glossary/e/essid.htm
07:55<einar_>ESSID same as SSID?'
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07:56<einar_>Is ESSID same as SSID?'
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07:56<OdyX>einar_: read the link pointed out by Gathond
07:56<seeS>most of the time for most of the uses yes
07:56<Gathond>for most purposes
07:56<einar_>Cause in debian installing it says wireless ESSID for Wlan0
07:56<einar_>my network is named NETGEAR
07:56<einar_>so thats my ESSID
07:57<Gathond>yes
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08:05<ottoshmidt>hi, how do I change Capture source device for gnome sound recorder?
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08:05<ottoshmidt>like from a sound card microphone to a usb mic
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08:06<einar_>Im stil getting Bad Archive mirror guys
08:07<mxh>I'm back .
08:07<einar_>Hi
08:07<mxh>Hi.
08:08<einar_>Trying to fix a connection error on debian
08:08<einar_>archive mirror error
08:08<einar_>grr
08:08<einar_>i really fucked up my comp installing debian
08:08<einar_>i regret
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08:10<mxh>You still have problem ?
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08:12<mxh>einar_, what's your archive mirror error ?
08:12<einar_>I skipped it.
08:13<greenery>I was trying to delete the contents of an installed package which contained several files in /etc directory, but accidentally deleted a considerable amount of files in the /etc (was lucky enough to cancel it). I am still able to boot, but there is a lot of files missing. Is there any command to verify the integrity of installed packages and fix them (i.e those who mention files in the /etc, whose files are absent, etc)?
08:13<Lethalman>greenery, maybe you have more luck in running dpkg-reconfigure -phigh for each package in your system
08:14*Lethalman iirc dpkg-reconfigure would reinstall conffiles?
08:14<mxh>So ,how about the installation ?
08:14<einar_>still dosnt work
08:14<einar_>startx dosnt work
08:14<greenery>thanks Lethalman
08:15<Lethalman>greenery, otherwise, aptitude reinstall all the packages
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08:15<greenery>ah :) goood one too
08:15<mxh>do you try the cd-1 ?
08:15<Lethalman>(I would do both ;) )
08:15<einar_>dosnt work to burn
08:15<einar_>cause its a installer
08:16<greenery>thanks lethal
08:16<greenery>I shall try both
08:16<greenery>brb
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08:16<mxh>do you have a operating system on another computer ?
08:17<mxh>the computer you want install debian on it ?
08:17<einar_>No
08:17<einar_>i got away in installiation
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08:18<mxh>how do you burn the small cd ?
08:18<einar_>Just added the iso and burned it...
08:19<mxh>Do you use the same way to burn the CD-1 ?
08:19<einar_>No cause its NO ISO file
08:21<einar_>maybe i move to archlinux
08:21<mxh>debian is easier .
08:21<cahoot>because you fail at debian install?
08:22<mxh>I had tried archlinux ,you have to edit the config file .
08:23<einar_>Cause something fails under the boot
08:23<mxh>you should try to redownload the cd
08:23<einar_>startx does not work
08:23<einar_>i did..
08:23<mxh>it is iso file ,i don't know why can't use it
08:24<mxh>i did not receive you email
08:24<mxh>can send it again ?
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08:25<einar_>ey!
08:25<einar_>you can send me the cd1 iso file
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08:26<mxh>i can't send a file size 600mb
08:26<mxh>it is too large !
08:27<einar_>upload it on a site
08:27<einar_>like megaupload and so on
08:28<mxh>Now i am trying the file i send to you
08:28<old>einar_: I recommend using jigdo.
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08:29<einar_>jigdo is?'
08:29<old>einar_: ... or at least BitTorrent.
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08:29<einar_>When i downloaded CD1 debian i didnt get any iso file i got an installer on this computer , but i need an iso
08:30<old>einar_: It's a tool for downloading Debian (not limited to) images quickly by reusing files you've already downloaded.
08:30<mxh>do you upackage the rar file and double click the .exe file ?
08:30<einar_>I unpacked yes
08:31<einar_>Just upload ur iso file to a site
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08:31<einar_>and ill download it i got homework i didnt get done :S
08:31<mxh>don't unpacked it !
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08:31<mxh>you download the right file , but don't upackage
08:32<einar_>then its just debiancd1.rar
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08:32<mxh>give me the file name
08:32<old>einar_: Where did you get this? It has rather unusual name for a Debian image...
08:32<einar_>?
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08:33<mxh>debian-504-i386-CD-1
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08:33<mxh>is it the file name ?
08:33<mxh>debian-504-i386-CD-1 ?
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08:34<einar_>think so
08:34<old>einar_: Don't think - check. ;-)
08:34<einar_>downloaded debian-504-amd64-CD-1.iso
08:34<einar_>from
08:34<einar_>http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.4/amd64/iso-cd/
08:35<old>einar_: Do sums match?
08:35<einar_>FIXED IT!!!'
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08:35<einar_>i hopd
08:35<mxh>do you try the cd burner i send to you ?
08:35<mxh>i try it ,it works
08:35<einar_>The rar file was Debian-594-amd64-CD-1.iso and its rAR WTF?'
08:37<old>einar_: RAR can extract iso images. That's why there is its icon on the file.
08:37<mxh>if you have a virtual cdrom ,you can use it to open the cd file
08:37<einar_>So i just use that file and burn it
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08:37<old>einar_: Right.
08:37<einar_>its iso but other icon i guess
08:37<einar_>this should work
08:38<mxh>the iso file appears a rar icon in xp
08:38<mxh>just burn the file to cd
08:38<old>einar_: You seem not to read my messages. :P
08:38<mxh>don't extract it
08:38<Ganneff>we said that hours ago already
08:39<old>Ganneff: So I am not alone being ignored by einar_? ;-)
08:39<Ganneff>old: i told him two or three times, then stamped him idiot when not listening and ignored.
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08:40<einar_>got to burn it from my dads pc brb
08:41<mxh>it works ?
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08:45<einar_>says no writers dected
08:45<chl>has anyone ever tried to run chromium browser in debian with webgl enabled?
08:46<mxh>do you have a writeable cdrom ?
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08:47<einar_>its a old pc so no
08:47<einar_>im taking it over to a harddrive
08:47<einar_>and moving it to my dads pc and burn it there
08:48<mxh>remember don't unpackage the file
08:49<einar_>ok
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08:50<mxh>doc install install.386 isolinux pics pool tooks autorun.inf.....setup.exe win32-loader.ini
08:51<mxh>when you unpackage the file ,do you see the this filename ?
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08:51<mxh>doc install install.386 isolinux pics pool tooks autorun.inf.....setup.exe win32-loader.ini
08:52<nutshell>Hello i'm a new
08:52<einar_>Hello
08:52<mxh>welcom !
08:52<nutshell>Thx.
08:52<einar_>Welcome hah:)
08:52<nutshell>I'm from argentina
08:53<mxh>i like argenina's football !
08:53-!-Greed [~florentin@AClermont-Ferrand-156-1-84-103.w90-9.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
08:53<einar_>So are you using debian?
08:53-!-jeff_hann [~arares@89.47.83.116] has joined #debian
08:53<nutshell>I'm using Backtrack 4.
08:53<nutshell>Run with debian, right ?
08:53<einar_>Are you a cracker ?
08:53<nutshell>I know what is a cracker but i'm not.
08:54<nutshell>I'm new in this.. things..
08:54<einar_>Ah , cause backtrack is kinda made for cracking and that kinds
08:54<nutshell>Rlly ?
08:54<einar_>Yes
08:55<einar_>My pc crashed by backtrack 4 so im never going to use it agian
08:55<nutshell>I like all those things who come with.
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08:55<mxh>what's the backtrack 4 ?
08:55<einar_>A linux distro
08:55<nutshell>Rlly.. ? i'm running this with Virtualbox.
08:55<einar_>I had it as main op
08:56<mxh>never use it
08:56<einar_>os
08:56<cahoot>!bt
08:56<dpkg>i heard bt is Bhutan, or <bluetooth>, or British Telecom, or <bittorrent>, or <BackTrack>.
08:56<linux-fox>it is a very good tool for wireless network
08:56<einar_>Like cracking WEP keys
08:56<einar_>with aircrack or what the name is
08:56<cahoot>thouroughly off topic in #debian though
08:56-!-schlurchz [~nikolaus@p4FE2361C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #debian
08:57<nutshell>Btw i'm new in that thing called GNU/Linux
08:57<nutshell>xD
08:57<mxh>just use in with virtualbox ,it's safe
08:57<nutshell>Right.
08:57<einar_>I think its crap tho
08:58<einar_>Im going to install debian
08:58<nutshell>Bt ? or VirtualBox ?
08:58<einar_>BT
08:58<nutshell>Someone speak spanish ?
08:58<mxh>i install a virtual on my classmate ,and use linux on it at first.
08:58<einar_>Si
08:58<Ganneff>!es
08:58<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
08:58<nutshell>Huy buenisimo.
08:58<einar_>Como the llamas?
08:58<Ganneff>english only here
08:58<einar_>te'
08:58<einar_>Kidding
08:59<nutshell>...
08:59<nutshell>I'll go to the other cannal.
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08:59<mxh>a guy speaking spanish was foced out yesterdat
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09:00<Iridur>hello
09:00<einar_>Im not English either
09:00<einar_>Hey
09:00<nutshell>Spanish channel is dead.
09:00<mxh>Im not English either .
09:00<nutshell>So.. what distro do u think is better to start in linux ?
09:01<einar_>Debian
09:01<Ganneff>the one that your friends have
09:01<Iridur>I'm trying to mount an Iomega external hard disk using gnome, but it keeps saying I can't write to the disk
09:01<mxh>yes
09:01<Ganneff>anything else doesnt count
09:01<mxh>then you will get help easily
09:01<chl>i prefer debian, but seems many like ubuntu
09:01<Ganneff>use what your friends have.
09:01<mxh>ubuntu was based on debian
09:01<nutshell>Debian.
09:01<chl>iridur: how do you mount the disk?
09:01<Ganneff>mxh: s/was/is/
09:02<chl>is it mounted with writable?
09:02<mxh>use what your friends have ,then you'll get help easily !!!
09:02<nutshell>My friends.. hahaha.
09:02<chl>most of `friends` use windows : p
09:02<nutshell>They like windows.
09:02<nutshell>right
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09:02<Iridur>I am mounting it using the graphical interface, chl
09:03<nutshell>The says "linux... what about the games ? "
09:03<Ganneff>then go to your local LUG and see what they use
09:03<nutshell>So..
09:03<Ganneff>but asking here is wrong.
09:03<mxh>use command line
09:03<mxh>what about the games
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09:03<einar_>Linux is not made for games really
09:03<Iridur>mxh, you mean I should use the command line and change fstab to automate that too?
09:03<chl>Iridur: maybe you can try with command e.g. `sudo mount -t ext3 /dev/dvd /mnt/disk`
09:03<einar_>More for work
09:03<schlurchz>Hi guys, is the networking issue with Java (#560142) supposed to be resolved? The bug was closed, but I can't find the reason, and I seem to hit this bug in squeeze.
09:04<mxh>noneed to chagne the fstab
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09:04<Iridur>what do the -t option does?
09:04<chl>it is just because not too many games supported on linux platform
09:04<nutshell>Guys, thanks for the time.
09:04<nutshell>Bye.
09:04<mxh>the file system fomat
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09:04<chl>if they support e.g. opengl, usually it would work not bad.
09:04<mxh>bye
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09:05<chl>-t indicates what file system type the target disk is formated
09:05<chl>for instance
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09:05<chl>my linux file system is formtted as ext3
09:05<Iridur>chl, like -t ntfs
09:05<chl>yes you are right
09:05<Iridur>right
09:05<chl>ntfs may be applied for windows file system
09:05<chl>but you may need to check the exact value
09:06<Iridur>chl, any idea why do this keeps happening to me when I mount it within gnome?
09:06<old>schlurchz: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=560142#35
09:06<chl>by e.g. man mount
09:06<gsimmons>schlurchz: It's fixed for openjdk but not sun-java6-jdk. See Debian bug #560044 if you're using the latter.
09:06<chl>i seldom use gnome or automount
09:06<old>schlurchz: I had the same problem. Above is a workaround.
09:06<Iridur>chl, I've tried man mount and checked the options
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09:06<chl>because they might use default value
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09:06<Iridur>but it didn't solve my problem with gnome, you know
09:06<chl>check the options at the area e.g. -t
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09:07<chl>it might be better to directly issue the command in cli
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09:07<Iridur>chl, yes, cli sepparates men from boys :P
09:07<chl>nay, it just makes you type fast. : p
09:07<Iridur>chl, I'm still confident in gnome, though, it is getting cooler and cooler by the day :P
09:08<Iridur>chl, that too
09:08<chl>it is good if you need to talk to more than 10 people at a time. fya
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09:08<Iridur>lol!
09:08<Iridur>let me try mounting it "by hand"
09:08<schlurchz>old: I was already aware of that, thanks nonetheless
09:08<chl>good luck.
09:08<Iridur>brb
09:08<schlurchz>gsimmons: :( OK, I got confused by the various java implementations. Bad news
09:09<debfsckedup>I just tried the dpkg-reconfigure -phigh and aptitude reinstall, but none of the commands seems to do anything for me. Is there any other way to recover a half-deleted /etc? :)
09:10<chl>schlurchz: are you facing the problem that your java programme can't connect to the internet?
09:10<chl>but your e.g. browser works well?
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09:11<einar_>Im burning debian out now
09:11<schlurchz>chl: yes. Applets don't work.
09:12<schlurchz>guess I'll have to reset that sysctl value or switch the java package.
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09:12<chl>schlurchz: you may need to check /etc/sysctl.d/bind*6only.*
09:12<mxh>einar : you sucessed ?
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09:12<chl>change it to the value
09:12<debfsckedup>is there a way I can list all packages that contain files under the /etc ?
09:12<chl>that is opposite to the default value.
09:12<einar_>Burning it out now
09:12<einar_>6%
09:12<einar_>lol
09:13<einar_>then i must install wich will take some time too
09:13<mxh>i works !
09:13<chl>debfsckedup: that's bad news. last time i rm my working project. : (
09:13<mxh>my classmate aske me to translate a paper
09:13<debfsckedup>chl: indeed :-(
09:14<chl>but rm with asking if you want to delete it or not is really annoying.
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09:14<debfsckedup>I still think that I can get things working again, but this is my first time using debian, I have a stronger background in RH-derived systems and rpm packages...not so much intot he many apt-related utils though :-(
09:14<chl>hope ext4 can be released as soon as poossible.
09:15<chl>my bitter experience is that
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09:15<chl>if you do have REALLY important data
09:15<chl>backup it up: p
09:16<Iridur>wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sdb,
09:16<Iridur> missing codepage or helper program, or other error
09:16<Iridur> In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try
09:16<Iridur>dmesg tail or so
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09:16<debfsckedup>it's not so much that it contains important data, it's more like I am lazy and I have an opportunity to learn some more :P
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09:16<chl>debfsckedup: you will enjoy it. : p
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09:17<Iridur>it's no good still, chl
09:17<debfsckedup>is there a way to force all packages that are currently installed to be uninstalled and reinstalled? :)
09:17<old>Iridur: Did you specified a partition (slice)?
09:17<chl>what options do you specify?
09:18<Iridur>mount -t ntfs /dev/sdb /mnt/iomega
09:18<chl>maybe you can remove it then reinstall it using aptitude
09:18<Iridur>reinstall what?
09:18<chl>or purge (aptitude purge package-name)
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09:18<Iridur>remove the device and then reinstall it?
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09:18<Iridur>oh sorry
09:18<old>Iridur: No, you didn't. Append a partition number to /dev/sdb.
09:18<chl>which will remove the config files or setting
09:18<Iridur>like /dev/sdb1
09:19<old>Iridur: Right.
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09:19<Iridur>oh shit, newbies are really annoying, right? let me attempt that, and thank you
09:20<Iridur>it mounted the partition, old, chr, but now it's a matter of no read permissions... I'll try to check that out with gksu
09:20<Iridur>and later I'll fix the privileges
09:21<old>Iridur: umount it first.
09:21<Iridur>it is still no go
09:22<Iridur>it says the disk is read only, goddamn, it shouldn't be readonly
09:22<einar_>ok
09:22<einar_>Got th ecd
09:22<old>Iridur: Try to append ' -o rw'.
09:23<old>Iridur: Or better not. I dont't know if it's safe.
09:23<old>I mount NTFS with ntfs-3g program.
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09:23<Iridur>like mount -t -o rw /dev/sdb1 /mnt/iomega
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09:23<mxh>100% complete ?
09:23<einar_>No
09:23<chl>writing to ntfs generally is considered dangerous, isn't it?
09:23<old>Iridur: No.
09:24<einar_>Uhm Eth0 or wlan0 or eth1?'
09:24<Iridur>how come writing to ntfs is dangerous?
09:24<Iridur>:O
09:24<old>chl: Yes, but there is ntfs-3g, which is less dangerous to use. ;-)
09:24<Iridur>aptitude install ntfs-3g then?
09:25<chl>old: the very last time i heard is that ntfs-3g supports writing to ntfs already (since last year?).
09:25<old>Iridur: apt-get is quicker, but aptitude is OK too.
09:25<Iridur>installed it already (I love the package managers)
09:25<old>chl: I think it was even earlier. 3-4 years?
09:26<chl>i must be getting old. i can't remember many things precisely : p
09:26<old>Iridur: So do I. ;-) You use it similarly to mount.
09:26<debfsckedup>ok, since debian doesn't seem to have good tools to identify the packages that contain files in the /etc, I wrote a script myself and already have a list of packages that I may need to reinstall
09:26<Iridur>yeah, it's easy, already mounted :P
09:26<chl>cool
09:26<old>chl: I am the 'old' here. :P
09:27<old>Iridur: I mean ntfs-3g, not apt. ;-)
09:27<chl>debfsckedup: what command you use to achieve that? that sounds cool.
09:27<old>Iridur: Works?
09:28<Iridur>I can see, but I can't touch, old
09:28<debfsckedup>chl: dpkg -l/-L + egrep in a for .. in.. bash loop
09:28<Iridur>no write restrictions
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09:28<Iridur>if I change my access to root I guess I'll be able to
09:28<chl>debfsckedup: cool. i learn a new command. : )
09:28<chl>thanks.
09:28<debfsckedup>:) you're welcome :)
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09:29<Iridur>reading man entry, i'll keep in touch old
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09:30<old>Iridur: Newbies reading man are not that annoying. ;-)
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09:32<Iridur>old, wee! it works
09:33<old>Iridur: Great!
09:33<Iridur>old, I still have to master the ACL for linux, but I'll be allright :P
09:33<Iridur>old, thanks A LOT
09:33<old>Iridur: I never needed ACLs - I cannot help you in this.
09:34<old>Iridur: No problem. ;-)
09:34<chl>great. you make it.
09:34<einar_>I got a new error installing
09:34<einar_>NEtwork autoconfiguration failed
09:35<debfsckedup>does anyone know what script is responsible for creating the /dev/pts ?
09:35<sylar>anyone knows anything about broadband bonding?
09:35<old>einar_: Normal if you don't have DHCP on your network.
09:35<debfsckedup>sylar: depends on what you want to do and what type of broadband you're talking about
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09:35<einar_>Anyway to fix this
09:35<einar_>?
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09:36<sylar>debfsckedup, I want higher upload, for ftp mainly
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09:36<sylar>debfsckedup, I have adsl option, and cellular internet option
09:36<old>einar_: You have a full CD. You don't need network now. Skip it.
09:36<debfsckedup>sylar: I don't think that is possible, unless you convince your ISP to provide you some sort of LACP
09:36<einar_>Ok
09:36<debfsckedup>the best you can do, is, usually, have redundant links
09:37<debfsckedup>active-backup
09:37*sylar google LACP
09:37<debfsckedup>link aggregation control protocol
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09:37<old>einar_: Remember to check 'Desktop Environment' when tasksel asks you to choose what you want to install.
09:38<mxh>einar: what about now
09:38<debfsckedup>it's basically a way to use both links simultaneously as if it was a single one, I believe it's the bonding mode 3 or 4 :)
09:38<mxh>einar_: Remember to check 'Desktop Environment' when tasksel asks you to choose what you want to install.
09:38<einar_>Didnt get anything like that
09:38<einar_>'says Patritions Formating
09:38<sylar>debfsckedup, but some people claim somehting can be done with routing in round robin around two modems
09:39<mxh>go along ,you will see it
09:41<debfsckedup>sylar: I am not quite sure traditional ISPs would allow you to, but hey, trust me not...go out there and try it. :)
09:41<einar_>installing base system
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09:41<debfsckedup>it should be simple, provided you have two ethernet interfaces where both broadband links connect to
09:41<debfsckedup>just configure them for bonding and choose one of the bonding modes
09:41<debfsckedup>and test which ones work
09:41<debfsckedup>and which ones don't
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09:41<debfsckedup>rinse repeat
09:42<sylar>debfsckedup, I am trying to find someone who does it before ordering another line
09:42<debfsckedup>oh ok :)
09:42<debfsckedup>you might be more lucky on some broadband forums, though.. :)
09:42<sylar>debfsckedup, and also in order to have higher motivation, since it may fail at first due to needed tweaks
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09:43<debfsckedup>true :)
09:43<old>mxh: Hey! That's my line! ;-)
09:43<sylar>debfsckedup, yea, I think that not alot of people now days would do such things, since I see the US have amazing bandwidths at cheap prices
09:43<mxh>i know ,i only want him to take attention about it ,sorry
09:43<debfsckedup>sylar: what part of the world are you?
09:44<sylar>israel
09:44<einar_>installing desktop thing:D'
09:44<einar_>going better now
09:44<einar_>Thanks mxh for all
09:44<Zeth>Hello, I have Debian Lenny with LXDE. Is there any way to turn off the login screen or disable it? I'm tired of constant typing of my login and password since this laptop is used my myself...
09:45<debfsckedup>can you ask your provider to setup a temporary one?
09:45<sylar>debfsckedup, the highest upload I can get is 800Kbit/s
09:45<sylar>(for normal prices)
09:46<sylar>debfsckedup, there isn't a lot of competition , so they don't do anything special for customers. A temporary what?
09:47<sylar>For 2Mbit/s upload they want 420$/month
09:47<debfsckedup>expensive :-)
09:48<sylar>yup
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09:48<debfsckedup>I pay 90euros for 24mb fibre channel, which yelds around 2mbits upload
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09:49<sylar>The normal package here is around 4Mbit/s down 0.8Mbit/s up, and costs about 40 euros
09:50<sylar>if I could join a few of these bandwidths together...
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09:51<einar_>Mxh
09:51<einar_>Desktop Enviroment is fixed
09:51<mxh>i am here
09:51<nickzxcv>does anyone know how to get the rtl8168d-1.fw firmware file for r8169?
09:51<einar_>i think i am downloading gnome
09:51<nickzxcv>it doesn't seem to be a separate firmware file in the vanilla kernel
09:51<sylar>Maybe I'll just write some special server that joins these links at the client end, but then I would have to convince the clients to run it, and support them for it , = headache
09:51<mxh>installation complete ?
09:51<einar_>soon
09:51<nickzxcv>there was a bug to add it to firmware-linux-nonfree http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=561309 but it is closed
09:52<einar_>select and install software
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09:52<einar_>im on that
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09:52<mxh>how much time remain ?
09:52<einar_>idk
09:52<einar_>80%
09:53<nickzxcv>also, I'm running the 2.6.33 experimental kernel on one system with a realtek chip and it seems to work fine even without the firmware file
09:53<einar_>And my name is not Einar
09:53<gsimmons>nickzxcv: It isn't packaged (no explicit redistribution from Realtek), it's only applicable to RTL8168D devices and AFAIK, unnecessary, as the r8169 can work without this for v1 and v2 devices.
09:53<einar_>not my pc
09:53<mxh>does it download software package from network?
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09:54<gsimmons>s/r8169/r8169 driver/
09:54<einar_>idk
09:54<mxh>what does idk mean ?
09:54<einar_>i dont know
09:54<mxh>oh ,i see
09:55<einar_>hoped startx works now
09:55<mxh>my english is not very well
09:55<einar_>Where are you from
09:55<mxh>China !
09:55<einar_>aah
09:55<mxh>and you ?
09:55<denildes>#teste
09:55<einar_>Norway
09:55<debfsckedup>that kind of reminded me a couple years ago, someone asking me on IRC "How do you save on vi", I told them ":w" and he was like "please, I really need it."
09:55<mxh>do you know how Norway spell in chinese ?
09:56<einar_>Nope
09:56<mxh>挪威(nuowei)
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09:56<einar_>Finishing installation
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09:57<einar_>Dibe
09:57<einar_>DOne
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09:57<einar_>Yeeeeeeeeeees
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09:58<mxh>what language you say in you country ?
09:58<einar_>It works
09:58<chl>debfsckedup: i was that kind of newbie long time ago. : p
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09:58<einar_>Norwegian
09:58<einar_>Debian works :D'
09:58<einar_>Im in
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09:58<debfsckedup>chl: eh eh :-)
09:58<chl>vi was really difficult if can't distingues between command edit mode. ha
09:59<chl>but i am vi addictive right now.
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09:59<einar_>Mxh
09:59<einar_>How to connect to internet
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10:00<mxh>sorry ,i don't know ,i use adsl to connect to internet
10:00<chl>mxh: you may need to configure ppp.
10:01<mxh>what i only do is to insert the network line ,and all done
10:01<nickzxcv>so how come the daily build debian installer I just downloaded still insists that I get rtl8168d-1.fw from sneakernet?
10:01<einar_>Wek
10:01<einar_>Wel
10:01<einar_>How can i get on the internet?'
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10:02<debfsckedup>any idea where I can find xlib6g ?
10:02<debfsckedup>it's being set as a dependency of openmotif
10:03<debfsckedup>and the package is failing when I do a dpkg --configure -a, which means if I cant get openmotif sorted, I can't do anything else :S
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10:04<nickzxcv>why isn't the rtl8168d-1.fw in git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/gregkh/firmware.git
10:04<nickzxcv>?
10:04<einar_>How to get on the internet using debian,
10:04<nickzxcv>because it hasn't been separated by kernel.org, but it has by debian?
10:04<mxh>how do you get on the internet on xp ?
10:04<nickzxcv>so debian must have some way to separate the firmware that I can do, to extract it right?
10:05<nickzxcv>this http://lists.debian.org/debian-kernel/2009/11/msg00401.html
10:05<gsimmons>nickzxcv: Because your system uses r8169 and the driver states rtl8168d-1.fw and rtl8168d-2.fw in MODULE_FIRMWARE. I don't believe the firmware removal has gone upstream. Again, you probably don't need it.
10:05<einar_>SOmeone tell me how to get on the internet?'
10:05<butzE>debfsckedup: http://archive.debian.net/search?keywords=xlib6g
10:05<debfsckedup>got fedup with this, I am going to reinstall. Does debian allow to update the install from the cd, w/o removing stuff?
10:06<debfsckedup>(I don't care about configuration files)
10:06<debfsckedup>(In fact, there aren't that many left ;-)
10:06<nickzxcv>oh, I'm embarrassed now :( it really isn't as insistent about needing it as I thought
10:06<nickzxcv>thanks though!
10:06<mxh>how do you get on the internet on xp ?
10:07<einar_>Mxh!
10:07<einar_>how can i get on internet using debian lol
10:07<einar_>Wireless.
10:07<butzE>i just double-click on the big blue "e" and there it is... the internet...
10:08<butzE>:D
10:08<mxh>read the manual .
10:08<einar_>Where is that e?'
10:08<butzE>http://www.hozwo.com/Blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/IE8.jpg
10:08<mxh>every country has it's own network ,
10:09<einar_>But i cant find there i choose muy network
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10:09<noflash>einar_, debian.org/doc there is the installation manual and the reference
10:09<butzE>sry i was joking
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10:10<einar_>Please tell me herE?'
10:11<einar_>System Admisatrion and then network?'
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10:13<einar_>Ill been trying to install gfor hours and i cant get on internet jesus
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10:14<mxh>http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/
10:15<mxh>to see the debian-reference
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10:16<einar_>Dont understand a shit sry
10:17<old>einar_: What is your network card?
10:17<einar_>Wireless
10:17<chl>is there any tool that can normolize the srt content?
10:18<einar_>Mine is wireless
10:18<chl>i get a srt file which contains content e.g.
10:18<chl>1
10:18<chl>_newline_
10:18<chl>timestamp
10:18<chl>_newline_
10:18<chl>subtitle
10:18<chl>that makes mplayer unable to display subtitle.
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10:18<chl>any way to remove that _newline_ stuff?
10:19<old>einar_: Can you be more specific?
10:19<mxh>do your pc have a wireless network card ?
10:20<old>chl: Use `grep -v` or sed, or learn AWK.
10:20<einar_>It was a wireless yes
10:20<einar_>SSID Netgear
10:20<einar_>It was
10:20<einar_>wi-fi too
10:20<einar_>wlan0
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10:22<old>einar_: I still dont't know what is your "Wireless" network card. Are you ignoring me?
10:22<einar_>I dont know the name
10:22<einar_>EIther how to find it
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10:23<old>einar_: lspci should do the trick.
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10:23<einar_>in terminal?'
10:23<old>einar_: Of course.
10:23<einar_>So
10:23<einar_>wafter?
10:23<einar_>After
10:23<mxh>einar_, wi-fi can't be used in China ,so I can't help you ,sorry .
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10:24<einar_>Ethernet?
10:24<einar_>think its Atheros
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10:24<mxh>you best to find some document about it .
10:24<danutz>hello guys,everytime I try to run apt-get update on debian I got errors:failed to fetch ....
10:24<danutz>can someone help me?
10:25<amphi>try another mirror?
10:25<old>einar_: Stop throwing random words... No, not ethernet, unless you want a wired internet.
10:25<einar_>What should i look for then
10:25<mxh>find some documents about it
10:26<mxh>google it
10:26<einar_>Me?
10:26<mxh>yes
10:26<mxh>or goto debian wiki
10:26<danutz>how do I try other mirror...
10:26<amphi>!atheros
10:27<mxh>http://wiki.debian.org
10:27<amphi>hmm, botlessness
10:27<old>einar_: `lspci | grep -i network` may be helpful.
10:28<einar_>i am in lspci
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10:28<einar_>Does not say anything
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10:29<old>einar_: How come? One cannot be in lspci. It shows your PCI hardware, and grep chooses lines containing "network".
10:29<noflash>einar_, try 'lspci | grep -i Ethernet'
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10:30<einar_>nothing happen @ noflash
10:30<noflash>did you remove th "?
10:30<noflash>did you remove the '
10:30<einar_>yup
10:30<gsimmons>einar_: You haven't stated the host interface of your wireless LAN device. Is it PCI, USB, PCMCIA, other?
10:31<old>einar_: You can try finding it by hand: `lspci | less` and arrows to move, [q] to exit.
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10:31<einar_>i wrote "lspci 1 grep -i Ethernet
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10:31<einar_>the 1 is the line
10:31<einar_>dont got it on thi spc
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10:32<noflash>| not 1
10:32<einar_>iknow
10:32<einar_>dont got it on this pc
10:32<einar_>but got on the other one
10:32<gsimmons>einar_: You mean, it isn't even connected yet?
10:32<amphi>no pipe? dear ghod
10:32<noflash>heh
10:33<old>einar_: gsimmons asked a question. Please answer questions, so we can help you.
10:33<amphi>einar_: copy and paste it from here
10:33<einar_>Works now
10:33<einar_>Atheros Communications inc
10:33<einar_>Or Realtel Semiconductor
10:34<amphi>Realtek will be the ethernet card, I would think
10:34<old>I think so.
10:35<einar_>Got ur anaswer now?
10:36<einar_>'answer
10:36<old>einar_: `lspci -k | grep -i network -A2` It should now contain a Kernel driver line.
10:36<old>einar_: You are making progress. ;-)
10:37<einar_>Nothing happens
10:38<einar_>Wel i got to go now , i be back in some hours or sooner
10:38<einar_>bye
10:38<einar_>i will stay here
10:39<old>einar_: So change 'network' to 'atheros'.
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11:08<computix>Hi debian community. I'm just checking out my first irssi installation.
11:09<user01>hi my audio stopped working this morning, should i just reboot and see if it works?
11:09<old>computix: Hello. Seems it works.
11:10<user01>i did /etc/init.d/alsa restart already
11:10<computix>yeah, i guess so. I'm new to irc, so i still have to learn a lot.
11:11<cahoot>user01: cat /proc/asound/cards - only one?
11:11<user01>cahoot, shows 2
11:12<BlackFate>user01: do as root "alsa force-reload"
11:12<cahoot>user01: wrong one being card0 ie default?
11:12<user01>ICH6 and modem
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11:13<user01>0 ICH6 . . . said the device is in use so i will try blackfate´s thing
11:14<user01>BlackFate, works now, thanks!
11:14<BlackFate>np
11:16<amphi>computix: there are lots of useful scripts for irssi, by the way
11:16<old>user01: Problems which can be "resolved" by rebooting the machine are rare on systems other than Windows.
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11:20<user01>old, well it would have worked too probably but i just wanted to have a cleaner command :)
11:23<cahoot>user01: next time you might check what occupies the device before relaoding alsa
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11:26<BlackFate>user01: if your card doesnt support hardware mixing, you might want to check some audio server like pulseaudio
11:26<BlackFate>to resolve similar issues
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11:33<ate2muchuranium>when I connect to a machine using ssh I get the message "No mail." I have no idea which program is printing that.
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11:37<user01>cahoot, how can i check to see what is occupying it? i think it was a dead iceweasel process
11:37<user01>cahoot, iceweasel is the only place i have audio issues
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11:37<user01>cahoot, probably because of flash player
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11:39<ate2muchuranium>does anyone know who prints that "No mail." message?
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11:43<gsimmons>ate2muchuranium: See /etc/pam.d/sshd and pam_mail(8).
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11:45<old>user01: I also had issues with sound on flashplayer. It's probably fixed in newer versions.
11:45<user01>old, well im waiting for the next stable release :)
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11:46<user01>old, cause everything works well
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11:52<cahoot>user01: yes at least older flash used /dev/dsp not the native alsa device
11:53<cahoot>user01: that makes device sharing more problematic
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11:55<user01>cahoot, yep i like how adobe is mad at apple because it does not include open software like flash . . . and flash is like the only installed software for me that is not open
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12:11<ate2muchuranium>gsimmons: thanks
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12:26<einar_>Hey i am back
12:26<einar_>Anyone know how to get internet on debian?'
12:27<einar_>hello?
12:27<old>einar_: Did you get my last message? The one with `lspci -k ...`.
12:27<einar_>didnt work old.
12:28<einar_>Nothing happends
12:28<old>einar_: Paste the output of `lspci -k` somewhere, please.
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12:29<einar_>lspci -k (line) grep -i network -A2
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12:32<einar_>.
12:32<einar_>.
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12:33<einar_>Old what now
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12:35<old>einar_: I said *output*. Enter `lspci -k` to the terminal and put the output in a pla... Oh, wait. You don't have connection...
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12:35<einar_>Yeh
12:36-!-ant [~anton@cpc2-sout4-0-0-cust239.sotn.cable.ntl.com] has joined #debian
12:36<einar_>So i just need to get my wlan to work
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12:37<old>einar_: You said that command did not work. How is that possible? `lspci` works. What does `lspci -k` say?
12:38<einar_>lspci -k works
12:38<einar_>nearly the same
12:38<einar_>Just alot of things like host bridge kernel driver
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12:42<jack_>hello
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12:43<computix>Hi jack_
12:43<einar_>maybe wlan0 isnt anabled
12:43<jack_>Im a n00b here
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12:43<einar_>how can i enable wlan?
12:44<old>einar_: That's what I'am looking for.
12:44<amphi>!ping
12:44<old>What is the driver listed under your atheros?
12:44<amphi>bah
12:44<jack_>IM watchin sponge bob
12:44<einar_>Realtek semiconductor?
12:46<einar_>ill go take a shower
12:46<einar_>brb
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12:50<mjk>Hmm ... on Lenny, "aptitude dist-upgrade" supposes NO upgrades, while "apt-get dist-upgrade" wants to upgrade "dash" (apt-get policy says: not installed, dpkg -l says: "rc") and "diffutils" (apt-get policy: none installed, dpkg -l: no output)? Something is out of sync, but what?
12:50<mjk>s/supposes/suggests/
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12:51<mjk>The only non-normal thing on that box is that "adjtimex" (w/ no dependencies on dash or diffutils) is put on hold (and apt-get also wants to upgrade this, but that's a known bug).
12:52<mjk>Of course I did "aptitude update" and "apt-get update".
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12:59<fixl>what is the the apt-get equivalent of "aptitude safe-upgrade" ? apt-get upgrade?
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13:03<einar_>Old?
13:03<einar_>Anyone help me enable wlan ?
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13:03<cahoot>quite a lot have tried
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13:04<einar_>Cause i cant get internet
13:04<einar_>tryed fo rhours
13:04<agentlandmine>Hello. Does anyone know if mplayer has an irc channel?
13:04<old1>einar_: Let me explain it by example. This is my lspci output for wireless card: http://pastebin.com/BtfJ5Ymq iwl3945 in my case is what I mean.
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13:10<craigevil>agentlandmine: #mplayer irc channel on irc.freenode.net
13:11<agentlandmine>craigevil: Ahh! thank you! Do you know if that is for user questions or just developers?
13:11<einar_>Got it old
13:11<craigevil>#mplayer is the support channel #mplayer-dev the dev
13:11<einar_>ath5k_pci
13:12<craigevil>agentlandmine: oops #mplayerdev is the dev channel not #mplayer-dev :)
13:12<cahoot>agentlandmine: http://wiki.multimedia.cx/index.php?title=MPlayer_FAQ
13:12<old1>einar_: Now: `lsmod | grep ath5k`
13:12<einar_>Write agian please
13:12<einar_>1smod?
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13:12<agentlandmine>craigevil: thank you verry much. I will take my trubbles over there. :)
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13:13<einar_>1smod is not a commsnf
13:13<einar_>command
13:13<cahoot>l as in L
13:13<old1>einar_: No. Lowercase 'L' instead of one. If it says anything then it means you have the driver.
13:13<einar_>ah
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13:14<einar_>it says anything
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13:14<einar_>ath5k
13:14<einar_>'mac80211
13:14<einar_>cfg80211
13:14<einar_>and some numbers
13:14<einar_>and so on
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13:15<old1>einar_: So the 'ath5k_pci' is there in the output right?
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13:16<d3co>!hi
13:16<einar_>guess so
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13:18<einar_>what now
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13:19<old1>einar_: Do you have a network manager? I can tell you how to do it in terminal, but it may not be what you want.
13:19<einar_>got sometime called network in system
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13:20<old1>einar_: Did you try to use it?
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13:20<einar_>y
13:20<einar_>Yes
13:21<einar_>i wrote my ESSID and all
13:21<einar_>nothing happends
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13:21<old1>einar_: Does `ifconfig` say anything about wlan?
13:22<einar_>bash ifconfig command not found
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13:23<old1>einar_: What!? You don't have basic tools.
13:23<old1>Can dpkg bot tell in which package to find ifconfig?
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13:25<mjk>fixl: Yes, "apt-get upgrade" is equivalent to "aptitude safe-upgrade", AFAIK.
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13:26<nickzxcv>how should I make sure my partitions are setup correctly in the installer for 4k sector alignment?
13:26<nickzxcv>my drive (WD15EARS) reports 512 byte sectors even though it is "advanced format" so parted doesn't do it automatically I think
13:27<einar_>I cant use update how can i login as root?'
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13:27<old1>einar_: `su`
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13:27<mjk>nickzxcv: You could use "fdisk -u" or "parted" with "unit" command (all on an extra console)
13:28<einar_>su?
13:28<einar_>Fixed itr
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13:29<einar_>iwconfig says ESSID NETGEAR
13:29<old1>einar_: I just login as root if I need, but if you are user you can get root privileges with `su`.
13:29<einar_>i got root now
13:30<einar_>what now?'
13:30<mjk>nickzxcv: Note that *some* drives have a built-in offset between logical and physical sectors, so that partions starting in sector 63 are physically on sector 64 (which is 4k-divisible). Read the manual or the net for information about your drive.
13:30<nickzxcv>yeah, I think thats if I set a jumper
13:30<nickzxcv>which I haven't done
13:30<old1>einar_: Did you set your ESSID or it is some default value?
13:30<mjk>nickzxcv: Not sure, read the docs =)
13:31<mjk>nickzxcv: Anyway, aligning your partition to 4k boundaries would be counter-productive with such an automatic offset =)
13:31<nickzxcv>yeah, the label (paper) says that if I set the jumper its fine for a single partition, which is how it would be with offset in the drive right?
13:32<mjk>nickzxcv: Sounds like that, yeah.
13:33<einar_>I setted yes
13:33<einar_>but it didnt work
13:33<nickzxcv>so in parted, if unit is
13:33<nickzxcv>oops, "compact" then the default is 1M? http://www.gnu.org/software/parted/manual/html_node/unit.html
13:33<nickzxcv>so that is 4k divisible
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13:34<nickzxcv>is "compact" also the default unit in partman?
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13:34<mjk>nickzxcv: Hmm ... I'd prefer "s" for sectors. I don't now if megabyte is really a megabyte or a mebibyte (would be useless, but who knows ...)
13:34<einar_>This was damn hard
13:35<mjk>nickzxcv: Dunno the default. Never rely on default for important things. :-}
13:35<old1>einar_: And you set all passwords etc.?
13:35<nickzxcv>yeah, but if I do s, then it will be 512 I think
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13:35<nickzxcv>because the drive lies that it is 512 byte sectors
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13:35<einar_>all my passwords are the same
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13:36<mjk>nickzxcv: Yes. Err .. hopefully. If you want to be REALLY sure, use "B" for bytes. :-}
13:36<mjk>nickzxcv: Not very handy, that unit, but ...
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13:38<old1>einar_: `dhclient`
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13:38<einar_>and then?
13:38<old1>einar_: Check.
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13:39<einar_>alot came up
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13:39<old1>einar_: If `dhclient` said 'bound to ...' you should have connection with your router.
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13:40<einar_>At the end it sayed No working leases in persitent dataase . sleeping
13:40<old1>einar_: Bad luck.
13:40<einar_>?'
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13:41<old1>einar_: `ping $rip`, where $rip is your router IP.
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13:41<old1>einar_: Usually `ping 192.168.1.1` or 192.168.0.1..
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13:44<einar_>its nothing
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13:49<old1>einar_: You keep saying "does not work", "nothing happens"... It does not help. I assume the ping said that network is unreachable or something simmilar?
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13:51<benedikt>hi there! i am getting a kernel panic when trying to boot my debian stable server.
13:51<benedikt>the crucial error is: 'run-init: nuking initramfs contents: Directory not empty'
13:52<benedikt>there has been a suggestion on the debian-user list in 2008 about adding 'no_static_dev=1' to the initramfs's /etc/udev/udev.conf
13:52<benedikt>http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-user@lists.debian.org/msg521081.html
13:52<nickzxcv>in parted, if I try to start a partition at 0 bytes, it says the closest I can do is 17408, which isn't divisible by 4096 of course
13:52<benedikt>however this workarround doesn't working for me.
13:52<benedikt>any suggestions on what else to try?
13:52<nickzxcv>so I set it to start at 20480 (4096*5)
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13:52<nickzxcv>and end at 1024*1024*100+20480-1
13:52<nickzxcv>and parted tells me it is not aligned for best performance
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13:54<nickzxcv>I want to make a 100M partition for the bios_grub at the beginning that gpt needs I guess
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13:56<Zomb>nickzxcv: what about doing it like Windows 7?
13:56<Zomb>start at 1 mb (sector 0x8000, iirc)
13:56<nickzxcv>ok
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14:01<einar_>Unreachable then..
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14:07<old1>einar_: `apt-get install net-tools`
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14:11<old1>einar_: This should give you the ifconfig command. Check if it sais something about wlan or wmaster.
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14:12<mjk>nickzxcv: btw., does parted count sectors from 1? Then "-1" is wrong.
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14:25<unixabg>Greetings, is anyone familiar with OpenVZ and /proc/filesystems?
14:26<Krasu>Hi. /etc/init.d/networking restart says that it is deprecated. What should I use instead?
14:28<sney>Krasu: in squeeze?
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14:28<Krasu>sney: yeah
14:29<sney>probably just /etc/init.d/networking stop && /etc/init.d/networking start
14:29<sney>it's probably more of a developer note than anything
14:29<nickzxcv>mjk: if I am starting at 1024*1024, then its the same as starting at 0 right?
14:30<Krasu>ok
14:30<nickzxcv>I wish I could choose binary prefixes instead of metric
14:30<nickzxcv>metric prefixes confuse this even more
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14:35<mjk>nickzxcv: Errr ... exactly.
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14:36<mjk>nickzxcv: 0-based: Start at 4k-divisible sector number. 1-based: Start at 4k-divisible sector number + 1.
14:36<nickzxcv>yeah, I assumed its 0 based
14:37<mjk>nickzxcv: Normally, tools count starting at 1. grub is an exception.
14:37<nickzxcv>so 0 is really 1?
14:37<nickzxcv>in parted
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14:37<mjk>nickzxcv: But better read the docs ... haven't found it in parted man page.
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14:39<mjk>nickzxcv: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=491511
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14:41<nickzxcv>if I made it off by 1, then should it trigger the misalignment warning?
14:41<nickzxcv>maybe its different for cylinders/bytes in parted?
14:41<nickzxcv>because cylinders could mean a lot of things right?
14:42<nickzxcv>since its not really physical cylinders, just some number of sectors rigth?
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14:43<nickzxcv>a physical cylinder is tracks*heads*sectorspertrack sectors right?
14:43<nickzxcv>at least in the days of yore
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14:47*nickzxcv would rather not think too hard about disk geometry
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15:00<Archimed>Hi all. It must be asked (and probably too often), but I can't find an answer to this question: why do I get a warning like "no version information available"?
15:00<Archimed>The full context: "Starting domain name service...: bind9/usr/sbin/named: /usr/lib/libldap_r-2.4.so.2: no version informarion available (required by /usr/sbin/named)"
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15:03<ODDity>Hi. I've just installed debian Lenny and I would like some more up-to-date packages, is it squeeze I should look for and what is the best way to upgrade to minimize the chance of problems.
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15:04<noflash>!tell ODDity -about bpo
15:04<bremner>,bpo
15:04<bremner>dpkg: wake up
15:04<sney>isn't dpkg still gone
15:05<sney>we actually have to know things today
15:05<bremner>ODDity: look at www.backports.org
15:05<noflash>lenny->squeeze too, on whatever bot is talking
15:05<sney>no bots today
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15:11<ODDity>thanks bremner - I'm looking to install some packages available in sid, would I be able to upgrade to that or is it not recommended?
15:11<bremner>ODDity: not recommended in general
15:12<ODDity>if I added the main contrib source of sid to apt to install the package I wanted would that be ok?
15:12<bremner>It's a case of, "if you have to ask..."
15:13<ODDity>I've not used debian before I'm sorry
15:13<bremner>You may end up upgrading many dependent packages to sid
15:13<ODDity>yeah that's what I thought, so it might bork stuff
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15:13<bremner>it could well do. Is the package you want not in backports?
15:14<ODDity>no
15:14<ODDity>well.. i dont see it
15:14<ODDity>no
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15:14<ODDity>it's only sabnzbdplus
15:14<ODDity>no doubt there are others I'd like as well
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15:16<bremner>well, that is in testing (squeeze)
15:16<bremner>How much time are you willing to spend dealing with issues on this machine?
15:16<ODDity>ok. I seem to remember actually a while ago, changing all the "lenny" to "squeeze" in sources.list and hoping it would work, however it went terribly wrong
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15:17<ODDity>oh i've got all the time in the world, though i'm not too demanding
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15:18<bremner>well, if the machine is kindof for playing with, rather than production, upgrading to squeeze might be reasonable.
15:18<ODDity>ok. Could you please tell me the safest way to attempt that or show me where to find out please?
15:19<sney>fwiw, I use squeeze daily and the issues I have to deal with are minor for the most part... but I do have the knowledge to dig myself out if need be
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15:20<bremner>bah, the machine that backs the dpkg bot is down.
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15:20<ODDity>OK, I would like to try
15:20<sney>it involves a kernel upgrade and a udev upgrade, so simply changing lenny to squeeze and doing safe-upgrade full-upgrade is unfortunately not enough. our IRC bot dpkg knows the technique, but he's out of commission right now. is the wiki down too?
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15:21<bremner>wiki is up
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15:21<ODDity>ahh yes.. last time I got stuck in a never ending loop of not being able to install udev or something
15:21<ODDity>so I gave up
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15:22*bremner grabs the backup factoid database.
15:23<bremner>oh my, it's sql
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15:24<ODDity>erm... I hate to be a pain, do either of you have a link to the page I should follow in the wiki?
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15:25<bremner>ODDity: we are doing are best, in the face of massive system failure. Please be patient.
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15:25<ODDity>ohh ok I didn't realise :) thanks bremner much appreciated
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15:26<sney>the wiki unfortunately doesn't seem to have it, and any other articles on the web are outdated.
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15:27<ODDity>ah
15:27<ODDity>fancy helping me sney ?
15:28<christian>hi
15:28<ODDity>or is it all too much
15:28<sney>ODDity: I would but I don't remember exactly how it goes, I rely on the bot as my supplementary memory >_<
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15:30<ODDity>sney, ok thanks anyway :)
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15:30<sney>though it could be a good idea to download Squeeze CD1, so you have a local copy of the necessary packages should you lose network sometime during the upgrade. it'd be a good way to fill the time between now and when bremner finishes reading that sql query syntax book.
15:31<ODDity>sney, ok I will do that. Cheers
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15:32<davi>How to set apt to forget about the below dependence and allow me to install more packages?
15:32<davi> xserver-xorg-video-radeon: Depends: xserver-xorg-core (>= 2:1.6.99.900) but 2:1.6.1.901-2 is to be installed
15:33<davi>Is there any set I can 'pin' or something?
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15:33<ODDity>sney, debian-testing-i386-CD-1.iso yeah?
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15:38<ODDity>I keep reading here and there, to change source.list all the lenny to squeeze and do
15:38<ODDity>sudo aptitude update
15:38<ODDity>sudo aptitude install apt dpkg aptitude
15:38<ODDity>sudo aptitude full-upgrade
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15:38<ODDity>whoops
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15:38<golu>hiiii
15:39<golu>how r u
15:39<weasel>keyboard broken?
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15:39<golu>are u male or female
15:39<weasel>golu: this is not a social channel. go away, keep quiet, or stay on topic with proper english.
15:40<golu>why..
15:40<golu>u like hacking
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15:41<butzE>xD
15:41<ODDity>Could someone tell me why the instructions here, would not work or be appropriate for upgrading lenny to squeeze? http://www.go2linux.org/how-to-upgrade-from-debian-lenny-to-squeeze
15:41<ODDity>there are other sites detailing the same method
15:42<jackyf>ODDity: the instructions are correct
15:43<bremner>umm, but nothing about udev?
15:43<ODDity>I do recall running in to problem with UDEV and new kernel last time, which is why I'm reticent to try this
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15:43<ODDity>though I did it via apt and not aptitude and didn't upgrade those 3 packages first
15:43<jackyf>ODDity: ... generally. You would want to check release notes before on squeeze release.
15:44<ODDity>maybe the aptitude full-upgrade sorts out UDEV better than apt?
15:44<jackyf>maintainer of udev should just fix the package
15:44<ODDity>jackyf, yes thanks.
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15:44<jackyf>ODDity: no
15:45<ODDity>ok...
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15:46<sney>ODDity: that article is from 2009 and the procedure has changed slightly since then, I'm 99% sure
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15:46<bremner>ODDity: sorry, no more time work on this. I suggest either try again tomorrow, or forge ahead and ask when you get stuck.
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15:48<ODDity>bremner, fair enough. Thank you for trying. Last time I ended up with an unbootable system somehow, and it was a problem with UDEV i believe. I dont know enough about it yet so I may wait
15:48<sney>ODDity: though you did say you *just* installed lenny... it would be easier to install squeeze directly from the CD.
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15:48<ODDity>uh.. mmm
15:49<ODDity>they do the net install CD for squeeze?
15:49<sney>yeah
15:49<ODDity>ah.
15:50<jackyf>sney: you are not right
15:50<jackyf>(btw)
15:50<ODDity>I cant net install squeeze?
15:50<jackyf>(regarding the article)
15:50<ODDity>ah
15:51<ODDity>oky
15:51<sney>jackyf: all I know is, dpkg's factoid got changed in the wake of those udev issues, as many people were having trouble following the procedure as listed in that article/the old dpkg factoid.
15:52<jackyf>sney: I don't know what is "dpkg factoid"
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15:53<sney>dpkg is the irc bot that usually lives in this channel. it's a resource for a lot of commonly-accessed information, including stable-testing upgrades, how to use backports, etc
15:53<ODDity>so i'm looking for debain-testing-i386-netinst.iso yes?
15:53<zeus>Hi all, is there anyone here using squirrelmail ? I've installed it but localizations doesn't works.
15:54<sney>ODDity: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ the links for the alpha1 installer
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15:55<ODDity>cheers sney, grabbing now
15:55<zeus>i've found bugs related to squirrelmail but all in Closed state
15:55<jackyf>sney: ah, that dpkg; okay, than can be, some info might be added as workaround
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16:04<ODDity>sney, can I do an install with just CD1 of debian-testing?
16:04<ODDity>instead of the netinstall cd
16:05<ODDity>I just realised im burning the wrong image on my last cd...
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16:11<ODDity>Can I perform a net install with only CD1 of debain?
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16:11<ODDity>*debian
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16:13<rudi_s>ODDity: Sure, in fact you need only the netinstall iso which should be even smaller.
16:14<ODDity>thanks rudi_s It's just, I wanted to burn the netinstall but chose the wrong ISO and i'm down to my last CD, so I can only burn CD1. If that will work fine I will go ahead with it
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16:14<rudi_s>ODDity: I have to admit I didn't try it (I only use the netinstall isos), but I can't think of any reason why it shouldn't work.
16:16<ODDity>rudi_s, OK, well, fingers crossed then :)
16:17<rudi_s>;-)
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16:20<host_amp>som n dobrom mieste?
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16:23<ODDity>oky.. here goes. Thanks for the support
16:23<sney>no problem
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16:24<ODDity>brb.. (hopefully)
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16:24<rudi_s>np
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16:44<edrz>dpkg is missing again.
16:45<edrz>and here i was with some botsnacks for it.
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16:47<bahamat>I'm trying to compile something that needs to link against the kernel, what packages do I need to satisfy that for the standard debian kernels?
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16:56<edrz>linux-headers?
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16:58<edrz>bahamat: ^^
16:59<bahamat>is that the only one I need?
16:59<bahamat>I have that, and set KERNEL_SRCDIR to /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.32-3-amd64, and it still seems to fail
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17:00<sney>do you also have linux-headers-2.6.32-3-common? you usually need both
17:00<bahamat>yeah, I have bogh
17:00<bahamat>both
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17:03<bahamat>I want to make sure I'm doing it right, the real problem may well be somewhere else. I just need to know if I need to keep trying to figure *this* out, or to move on to the real error message
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17:19<sata6>hipeople
17:19<sata6>i have problem in my linuxbox debian 2.6.26-amd64
17:19<sata6>i have 4 hd sata, it ok
17:20<sata6>if i add disk number 5, sde, it is not recognized by linux
17:20<sata6>of course the hd is hardware ok.
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17:22<sata6>if i do dmesg | grep sd, I see sda, sdb, sdc, sdd but not sde. In /dev there not exict device sde
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17:26<Killeroid>hello, can anyone help me find a way to download a package and its dependencies so that I can transfer the files to an offline computer?
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17:28<jcdubacq>lenny or something else?
17:28<petemc>Killeroid: apt-zip
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17:29<Killeroid>petemc: thanks
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17:34<ODDity>just installed squeeze, I notice openGL isn't functioning properly: "OpenGL renderer string: Software Rasterizer" where do I start to look for a solution?
17:36<Tom__>Oddity: This has always helped with me: http://dri.freedesktop.org/wiki/DriTroubleshooting
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17:37<bahamat>sata6: man makedev
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17:41<sata6>bahamat, makedev doen not work, it says .udev is present and abort
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17:49<Scynix>What command can I use to view active services on a fresh install (lenny), and/or disable them?
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17:51<bahamat>Scynix: sudo netstat -natup | grep LISTEN
17:51<bahamat>Scynix: use update-rc.d to dis/enable
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17:57<Scynix>bahamat: I'm trying to learn so forgive me with this question. netstat is for network statistics, isn't it? Unrelated, "| grep" is piping it into the grep command, correct? What does grep do? Also, if I want to remove an active package that I won't be using, is there a way to verify if anything else has a dependency on it?
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17:58<amphi>Scynix: grep filters the output, in this case throwing away all lines that do not contain 'LISTEN'
17:59<amphi>Scynix: if you use aptitude to remove a package, it will tell you what else will be removed
17:59<Scynix>amphi: thank you. What's the purpose of filtering out the listening packages?
17:59<edrz>filtering on, not out.
18:00<edrz>so you can see what is listening.
18:00<edrz>and not be distracted by the others.
18:00<amphi>Scynix: to remove irrlevant output
18:00<Scynix>Thank you both.
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18:00<amphi>Scynix: try the command alone, and with the | grep to see the difference
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18:58<gi>checking for GST... no
18:58<gi>no
18:58<gi>configure: Requested 'gstreamer-0.10 >= 0.10.20' but version of GStreamer is 0.10.19
18:58<gi>configure: error: no gstreamer-0.10 >= 0.10.20 (GStreamer) found
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19:01<gi>http://paste.debian.net/70633/
19:01<gi>anybody?
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19:06<gi>http://paste.debian.net/70633/
19:07<gi>anybody can help me?
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19:10<edrz>gi: you are attempting to build something that uses gstreamer?
19:10<gi>yes
19:10<edrz>it looks like what ever that is needs a newer version than is in lenny.
19:11<gi>farsight2
19:11<gi>how can i do it?
19:11<edrz>squeeze has 0.10.28
19:12<gi>how can i install it?
19:13<edrz>it looks like there are some backported packages that might work for you.
19:13<edrz>http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=packages
19:14<edrz>search for libgstreamer
19:14<edrz>there are instructions there at backports.org
19:16<gi>ok, i'll try
19:16<gi>thank you
19:16<edrz>good luck
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19:28<klh>is there a way to remove grub on one hard drive without installing an other OS ? Squeeze installer put grub on the wrong hard drive (my external hdd), after I used grub-install for put it on the right drive. I'd like to remove grub of my external hdd
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19:51<adb>klh, tried unmount external hdd before running grub-install ?
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19:56<klh>adb: grub-install put grub on the specified device but don't remove grub on other device
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19:58<adb>try to empty MBR from external , fill in zeros ..
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20:04<DebianWannaBeUser>Is Debian really better than Ubuntu?
20:05<klh>DebianWannaBeUser: this question is non-sens
20:05<drewdavis>Better for what?
20:06<DebianWannaBeUser>Stability and Speed of applications
20:07<DebianWannaBeUser>I'm using Ubuntu 9.10 now, and trying to decide if I should try Debian or the next LTS of Ubuntu when it's released
20:07<drewdavis>Gernerally speaking yes, but you're still asking a very broad question.
20:07<drewdavis>Unless you have reason to leave Ubuntu I'd go with LTS.
20:08<DebianWannaBeUser>Sounds good.
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20:09<DebianWannaBeUser>I've also been hearing some bad press about Ubuntu, but I guess any OS could get that right?
20:10<DebianWannaBeUser>Is Broadcom wireless hard to setup in Debian? Or does it work out of the box like Ubuntu?
20:10<drewdavis>Yes, any project is going to have it's share of bad press. The question is does Ubuntu continue to meet your needs, and if not do you have reason to think Debian will?
20:11<DebianWannaBeUser>So far everything works fine for me, haven't had any problems. I think I'll stick with it thanks.
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20:56<mdmarmer>i haven't been able to get to the debian forum for a couple of days
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21:00<gsimmons>mdmarmer: tartini.debian.org is down, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-infrastructure-announce/2010/04/msg00001.html
21:04<mdmarmer>thanx
21:05<dwon>I didn't even know there was a Debian forum.
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22:44<miksuh>I hope that someone packages this for the Squeeze :)
22:44<miksuh>http://www.speed-dreams.org/
22:45<miksuh>Speed Dreams 1.4.0, it's Torcs fork :)
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22:54<amitz>miksuh: way too late IIRC.
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22:57<miksuh>amitz: hmm? afaik Squueze is not frozen yet
22:57<miksuh>or is it?
22:58<miksuh>atleast I have not heard anything like that
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22:59<amitz>If I have to guess, the deadline for inclusion of new package is earlier than freeze. But I'm just thinking what's reasonable, haven't read it anywhere.
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23:53<bja>i got this program called saned? how can i find the package it came with and why it is installed on my system?
23:54<franki^>http://linux.die.net/man/8/saned ?
23:56<bja>franki^: thx, but if it is installed i can do man saned ;P
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23:56<gsimmons>bja: dpkg -S /usr/sbin/saned
23:57<bja>gsimmons: thx
23:57<Nemoder>try removing the package and see what else goes with it
23:58-!-w3asel [~w3asel@190.37.59.95] has quit [Quit: Saliendo]
23:58<Nemoder>or use: apt-cache showpkg <packagename>
23:59<bja>Nemoder: it is apt-cache show <packagename>
23:59<Nemoder>bja: show doesn't list reverse depends
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