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00:28<brenton>at this point is squeeze and sid exactly the same package wise ?
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00:28<sney>brenton: no
00:28<sney>but there is a lot of overlap
00:28<brenton>sney: ok cool
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00:30<brenton>sney: so does squeeze still have broken dependancies coz atm compiz is broken in sid?
00:30<sney>not that I'm aware of, but I don't use compiz. check http://bugs.debian.org/ since that would certainly qualify.
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00:41<k1lumin4t1>is it currently safe to do a full-upgrade from lenny to squeeze?
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00:42<k1lumin4t1>or do you guys recommend a fresh install?
00:42<simonrvn>that works fine
00:43<simonrvn>no need to do fresh installs
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00:44<brenton>k1lumin4t1: i didn't even know a fresh install existed? i always dist-upgrade and works fine
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00:44<k1lumin4t1>simonrvn, thanks
00:44<k1lumin4t1>brenton, from stable to stable?
00:44<k1lumin4t1>simonrvn, but considering the time difference between them, do you still think so?
00:44<simonrvn>i have an istall that's been around since potato
00:44<simonrvn>ins*
00:44<brenton>k1lumin4t1: squeeze is testing
00:44<k1lumin4t1>simonrvn, hehehe
00:44<k1lumin4t1>nice
00:45<k1lumin4t1>brenton, yes, I mean, when squeeze becomes stable
00:45<k1lumin4t1>for example
00:45<k1lumin4t1>if you¡re currently on lenny
00:45<brenton>k1lumin4t1: oh i never thought of that
00:45<k1lumin4t1>would you do an upgrade to squeeze?
00:45<simonrvn>no lenny -> squeeze is supported. but skipping one things might break.
00:45<brenton>k1lumin4t1: id imagine leve the stable settings in sources.list and it would work
00:45<PovAddict>skipping releases is unsupported
00:46<simonrvn>like say sarge -> lenny
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00:46<simonrvn>*poof* borked
00:46<PovAddict>you have to do two separate upgrades for etch -> lenny -> squeeze, or do a fresh install of squeeze
00:46<k1lumin4t1>simonrvn, so?
00:47<simonrvn>"so" what?
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00:48<brenton>k1lumin4t1: wouldnt having the word "stable" in place instead of "lenny" in sources.list make the transition from lenny to squeeze easier when squeeze becomes stable
00:48<brenton>just do apt-get dist-upgrade
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00:49<k1lumin4t1>simonrvn, in the end is it actually recommended?
00:49<k1lumin4t1>simonrvn, the full-upgrade?
00:49<k1lumin4t1>I recently did one
00:49<k1lumin4t1>and no fatal problems
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00:49<k1lumin4t1>from a lleny machine
00:49<k1lumin4t1>to squeeze (testing)
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00:49<simonrvn>depends. i wouldn't if it was a production server ;).
00:50<k1lumin4t1>simonrvn, simple desktop machines
00:51<simonrvn>plural? stick to lenny.
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01:49<marlen>hello, I,m using debian lenny, I,m having a problem with the keyboard. it was in italian first but when I installed the nvidia drivers the language changed and now I think it is in english. how can I turn it in italian as it was first?
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01:54<jm_>!tell marlen -about keymap
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01:57<marlen>I don-t understand,sorry.the keyboard was in italian,now it isn-t
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01:57<jm_>read what dpkg told you and you'll learn how to modify it
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01:59<marlen>I guess I have to add Option "XkbLayout" "it" to the xorg.conf file...is all I know...
01:59<jm_>that's one way to do it
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02:01<marlen>I did it but when I try to save the change it doesnt save it
02:01<jm_>what is "it"?
02:01<marlen>the change
02:01<jm_>no, I mean the "it" that doesn't save it
02:02<sney>!it
02:02<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
02:02<franki^>Heh
02:03<marlen>when I try to save after I added Option "XkbLayout" "it", it,s not possible to save.
02:03<jm_>you mean with an editor? did you start it as root?
02:04<marlen>yes, with an editor.
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02:05<marlen>can I do something form the terminal?
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02:06<jm_>start by answering all the questions that people ask
02:07<marlen>I did started as root
02:08<jm_>what does it say when you want to save it?
02:08<marlen>cannot save it.
02:09<jm_>hmm not that useful, which editor is this?
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02:09<jm_>what are the permissions on the file?
02:09<marlen>but maybe I didn-t start as root, I just opened the file and wrote Option "XkbLayout" "it".
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02:10<marlen>the editor is gedit
02:10<jm_>ok so open a terminal, run "su -" or "sux -" if you want to use gedit, then edit it and save it
02:10<valdyn>su - isnt going to let him run gedit
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02:11<jm_>yes, perhaps that's why sux was mentioned
02:11<jm_>together with gedit
02:11<sney>es muy dificil leer
02:12<user01>hi is there a way to copy text 1 assign it to a value and copy text 2 and assign it to a value, then press a control sequence that returns that specific value in gnome?
02:13<user01>basically like ctrl + c, ctrl + v . . . only for more than one item . . .
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02:14<chattr>user01: maybe by using package glipper? (I don't use gnome, so this suggestion is a shot in the dark.)
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02:17<marlen>Section "InputDevice"
02:17<marlen> # generated from default
02:17<marlen> Identifier "Keyboard0"
02:17<marlen> Driver "kbd"
02:17<marlen> Option "XkbLayout" "it"
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02:19<marlen>I added Option "XkbLayout" "it", how can I save now?
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02:20<sney>marlen: jm_ told you already.
02:20<sney>try reading instead of whining.
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02:21<marlen>I,m not whining just asking.
02:22<sney>so you understood that, re-read what jm_ already told you
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02:31<dutchfish>hi, reinstalling lilypond lilypond-data gave me: Ignoring install-info called from maintainer script ; The package lilypond-doc should be rebuilt with new debhelper to get trigger support ; any hints on this one?
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02:33<dutchfish>install-info now generates lines like install-info: warning: no info dir entry in `/usr/share/info/lilypond-snippets.info-images-dir-dep.gz' on every install of a package
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02:34<dutchfish>when install-info is triggered
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02:37<dutchfish>(debian squeeze x86_64)
02:37<sney>dutchfish: I'm not familiar with lilypond, but anything in bts?
02:37<jm_>dutchfish: you should learn to use BTS if using squeeze: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=567849
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02:38<dutchfish>sney: apart from #545911 - input/mutopia/claop.py is not free software; ditch it and fix (Fixed: lilypond/2.12.3-1) which is solved in unstable, not that i am aware off
02:38<emopart>what is something good to show me stats about my access.log and error.log in a nice web interface
02:38<emopart>who's visiting my site
02:38<emopart>what stuff they're looking at
02:39<emopart>how much transfer they use
02:39<emopart>all the good details but in a fancy nice layout
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02:39<sney>emopart: look around on freshmeat.net, odds are you'll find one you like
02:39<dutchfish>jm_: oops, i totally overlooked that one, my mistake
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02:39<dutchfish>thank you very much all
02:39<marlen>ok I opened a terminal as root and wrote Option "XkbLayout" "it", the I opened the file xorg.conf from etc and wrote Option "XkbLayout" "it".
02:40<jm_>dutchfish: I suppose you can safely ignore the warning for now
02:40<dutchfish>jm_: ok, i just want to dig into it, to understand what went wrong
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02:41<jm_>dutchfish: check its postinst script then or whichever script this is from
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02:41<emopart>sney, that much i am aware... i was kind of seeing if anyone had any suggestions
02:41<emopart>like awstats
02:41<emopart>or something like that
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02:41<dutchfish>jm_: ok, i will, thanks again
02:41<sney>I have awstats.. I don't care much for fancy layouts
02:42<emopart>awstats is cgibin ?
02:42<osmans_>Hi guys I had a quick question about a problem that has creeped up today on my Lenny box. Not sure whats going wrong. Please advise, here is a copy of the relevant syslog http://pastebin.com/3LUGhfds
02:43<sney>yeah, it's a perl script iirc
02:43<sney>osmans_: what happened before that?
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02:44<osmans_>Well what happens is my box is running just fine (LAMP)..and then all of a sudden it maxes out my CPU and my box just dies until I reboot it.
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02:44<osmans_>I've checked access logs and I haven't been inflatrated or anything like that
02:44<osmans_>(as far as I know of course :3 )
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02:45<osmans_>I have fail2ban on...Apache is locked down per specs on their site... so I'm not quite sure what is causing the memory to be compeltely taken up.
02:45<sney>take a closer look at what mysql is doing
02:45<jm_>!oom-killer
02:45<dpkg>methinks oom-killer is responsible for picking a process to kill when the computer is out of memory. It uses some heuristics to choose the process to kill: unprivileged, short-running, low-priority processes are more likely to be killed. See http://linux-mm.org/OOM_Killer for more information.
02:45<sney>databases are often the culprit
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02:46<osmans_>sney: yeah thats what I'm thinking. but if thats true then how would you suggest I go about ensuring that MySQL is limited to X amount of CPU resources and Y amount of Memory?
02:46<osmans_>jm_: thanks! I'm looking at that page too.
02:46<sney>as I recall, you can set limits in my.cnf
02:47<osmans_>sney: k let me take a look at that.
02:47<the-dude>sney: do you have swapspace?
02:47<the-dude>oh sorry sney I meant osmans_
02:48<jm_>or cgroups if you want more flexibility
02:48<osmans_>the-dude: Yes. 256MB of it.
02:49<osmans_>Here are the stats right now: Mem: 360 308 51 0 13 121
02:49<osmans_>That is total/used/free/shared/buffers/cached of the memory (not swap)
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02:54<titan>\list
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02:55<osmans_>sney: It appears (based off of htop) that mysql is running in /usr/bin/mysqld_safe
02:55<jm_>osmans_: so you only have 360M of RAM and 256M of swap?
02:55<osmans_>jm_: yes
02:55<titan>\list
02:56<sney>titan: non ce lista
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02:57<locklace>titan: il cucchiaio non esiste
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02:58<jm_>osmans_: ok that's likely your problem - it simply runs out of memory
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03:17<osmans_>jm_: I've reconfigured MySQL and Apache confs to bring down the usage from 180MB to now 103MB I think I'll be fine for now
03:17<osmans_>Thanks for the help.
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03:39<debacle>hi. i'm running Spamassassin on debian lenny and i get this error "unparseable chars in 'if you are running SA 3.0.0 or higher, you already have antidrug and this file': '3.0.0'" how can i fix it ?
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03:50<gsimmons>debacle: According to http://wiki.apache.org/spamassassin/CustomRulesets, antidrug.cf is unnecessary (and detrimental) with SpamAssassin 3.0 and later.
03:53<debacle>hi. thanks for your reply. I've found that /usr/local/sbin/sa_rules_update.sh (it's a debian official file) try to download the antidrug.cf wich now lives @ a different address. I've updated the file with the new antidrug path. I think that if debian people keep the antidrug there will be a reason. am i wrong ?
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03:56<debacle>gsimmons: looking at you presence here it seems you're a debian guru. I have a question for you. Do you think that should i file a bug about the antidrug.cf new download path ?
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04:01<gsimmons>debacle: I only know enough to comfortably shoot myself in the foot. I am unable to locate any official package providing sa_rules_update.sh (it would not install to /usr/local, either). It sounds like you followed some HowtoForge tutorial (/msg dpkg tutorials) without fully comprehending your established SpamAssassin configuration.
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04:02<debacle>gsimmons: ok ! you're right !
04:03<locklace>!win gsimmons
04:03<dpkg>Congratulations, gsimmons! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120!
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04:13<amitz>what's a recommended gui for movie player that doesn't pull kde or gnome libraries?
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04:15<locklace>smplayer, if you don't consider qt to be kde
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04:15<locklace>otherwise, good luck
04:15<amitz>damn...
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04:16<jm_>amitz: mplayer from dmm includes gmplayer
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04:19<amitz>I don't know what's gmm. mplayer uses gtk2, which is still acceptable for me. but mplayer crashes in my squeeze. oh well, googling. anyway, thanks
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04:19<jm_>!dmm
04:19<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm lenny> <dmm squeeze>. During 2010, this repo grew a non-free part and all the binary-only packages moved there, so you might have to add " non-free" to your sources lines.
04:21<amitz>noted, thanks.
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05:41<the-dude>where do I get help auto partman-auto ?
05:42<the-dude>about
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07:10<jesperj>I got this problem http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=528978 and that page says "This should be fixed with gnome-keyring 2.26.1-1." (sid) I am using Lenny and have gnome-keyring This should be fixed with gnome-keyring 2.26.1-1 and the problem described in the bug. I guess this bug still exists for Lenny then?
07:10<miguel_>hello
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07:19<jm_>jesperj: yes
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07:24<jesperj>jm_: quite annoying to get the logs totally clogged with those spam msges
07:24<jesperj>then i mean TOTALLY clogged
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07:24<tyrade>load -e /root/cvv_gen
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07:27<jm_>jesperj: not many people even know about .xsession-errors ;)
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07:30<jesperj>jm_: do you mean that too many people don't even care to check their logs?
07:31<jm_>jesperj: yes
07:31<jesperj>maybe so, but that's not really a good reason to not fix the bug I mentioned :)
07:31<jesperj>sucks to have to upgrade the package to sid to fix it
07:31<jesperj>i prefer stable
07:32<jesperj>and why would sid be more "stable" than stable in this matter?
07:32<themill>!stable
07:32<dpkg>[stable] The status of a Debian release when no packages will be added or new versions introduced, and changes will only fix security issues and critical bugs. Packages can be removed in rare circumstances. The current stable version of Debian is Lenny (5.0); ask me about <releases>. Security bugs are fixed in stable by backporting the fix to the current version (ask me about <security backports>). http://wiki.debian.org/DebianStable
07:32<themill>stable doesn't mean bug-free, it means unchanging.
07:32<themill>jesperj: the bts doesn't record that the bug actually affects stable. It could well be that it was introduced in the code after stable was released.
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07:33<jesperj>themill: the bug affects the version in stable
07:34<jesperj>but thanks for clarification
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07:34<themill>jesperj: I find it surprising that a bug like this would get through... you're only complaining about lots of messages in ~/.xsession-errors whereas the bug is that gnome-keyring is completely broken.
07:34<jm_>maybe check gnome's bug system to see if you can find out which change fixed it
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07:37*themill always thought spewing useless messages to stderr was a gtk speciality
07:37<jesperj>the-dude: logcheck just lists the events from under "System Events"
07:37<jesperj>sorry
07:37<jesperj>themill:
07:37<jm_>more like problematic gtk apps, not gtk itself
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07:38<jesperj>"I find it surprising that a bug like this would get through... " < Are you questioning if I really get these logmessages or what does this mean?
07:39<themill>jesperj: the bug is about gnome-keyring being completely and utterly broken, it is not about getting log messages
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07:39<themill>I believe you're getting log spew... I'd be surprised if lenny shipped with a gnome-keyring that didn't work at all
07:41<jesperj>themill: ...does that mean that you think the log is actually wrong and that gnome-keyring did not pass on such error messages?
07:42<jesperj>or how could those log messages occur if not gnome-keyring reported it?
07:42<themill>jesperj: exactly what messages are you getting? Stick them in a pastebin; /msg dpkg paste
07:42<jesperj>will do hang on
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07:42<zbadis>oooo
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07:48<jesperj>themill: http://paste.debian.net/71026/
07:48<jesperj>"..." is stuff I cut out.
07:48<jesperj>It seems that it might have to do with screensaver
07:48<jesperj>not sure
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07:49<themill>jesperj: Nice logspew.... but fundamentally, does gnome-keyring actually work with other applications (such as evolution)?
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07:54<jesperj>themill: it seems so, since I store some pop passwords for evolution and I think evolution uses gnome-keyring as you say, to check and fetch email
07:54<jesperj>which works
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07:55<themill>jesperj: OK, so that bug doesn't really exist in lenny... gnome-keyring is just overly noisy.
07:55<jesperj>checking logs effectively and not miss vital information, is not working so great however due to the log spam
07:55<themill>jesperj: can you configure your log checker script to ignore lines that match a regexp?
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07:56<jesperj>themill: I havn't honestly even thought about that as a possible but I will check out logwatch's config options. Thanks for the idea.
07:57<themill>no worries. Good luck with it
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07:58<edrz> is there a way to search for all packages that build depend on a given library?
07:58<edrz>i know aptitude search ~Dlibfoo
07:58<edrz>but, that's not quite what I'm after ... i don't think.
07:58<edrz>maybe I just need more caffeine.
07:59<themill>edrz: build-rdeps from devsripts
07:59<edrz>ah
07:59<edrz>thanks
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08:01<edrz>perfect
08:02<jesperj>themill: thanks
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08:24<floon>всем хай
08:24<floon>тут русские есть?
08:24<floon>помогите мне пожалуйста
08:25<nostmith>!ru
08:25<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net. or use English here.
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08:32<marlen>hello,I,m using debian lenny, I installed nvidia drivers, then when I rebooted the keyboard changed the language.it-s not anymore italian, as it was, but english. I,m lost
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08:34<Torsten_W>marlen, paste your /var/log/Xorg.0.log
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08:36<marlen>where
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08:36<Torsten_W>marlen, on a pastebin-site of your choice
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08:37<Torsten_W>marlen, paste.debian.net for example
08:37<marlen>ok, i-ll try..but please be patient, I,m a beginner..
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08:39<nostmith>marlen, are you using gnome?
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08:40<marlen>yes
08:40<nostmith>open a terminal and type this: gnome-keyboard-properties
08:40<marlen>ok
08:42<nostmith>this is also in the menu, in System > Properties > Keyboard, if you feel more confortable that way. perhaps you have to translate that in italian.
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08:45<marlen>I choose the second way, the first failed.
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08:46<marlen>I see disposition USA
08:46<marlen>105 keys
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08:55<marlen>any help please
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08:56<nostmith>marlen, what you need help with?
08:59<marlen>with the keyboard which is in american english, first it was in italian.I installed the nvidia drivers and it changed..
09:00<marlen>I guess it has to do with xorg.conf
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09:00<nostmith>have you tried the gnome-keyboard-properties?
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09:00<marlen>yes I have, but nothing..
09:02<marlen>from etc.x11.xorg.conf
09:02<nostmith>perhaps you tried in the wrong way. what exactly you did in gnome-keyboard-properties?
09:03<marlen>I pasted what you said in the terminal
09:03<nostmith>and?
09:03<marlen>It doesn-t allow me
09:04<nostmith>what does it say?
09:04<marlen>it is in italian..
09:04<marlen>I don-t know, it isn-t possible
09:04<nostmith>paste it on paste.debian.net
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09:08<marlen>I don-t know how to do that, I tried 2 days ago. I think I will learn the american keyboard. thank you
09:08<nostmith>!it
09:08<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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09:11<mansi>hey friends i need to take incremental backup of windows folder in debian, can u please advise a good solution
09:12<mansi>in every day, only the files modified on that day should be backed
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09:23<valdyn>!dirvish
09:23<dpkg>Dirvish is a fast, disk based, rotating network backup system. With dirvish you can maintain a set of complete images of your filesystems with unattended creation and expiration. A dirvish backup vault is like a time machine for your data. See http://www.dirvish.org
09:23<valdyn>!backuppc
09:23<dpkg>BackupPC is an open source cross-platform disk based backup system. http://backuppc.wiki.sourceforge.net/ http://backuppc.sf.net/ #backuppc on irc.freenode.net.
09:24<titan8990>!tar
09:24<dpkg>Extract tar: "tar xf foo.tar"; Extract tar.gz: "tar xzf foo.tar.gz"; Extract tar.bz2: "tar xjf foo.tar.bz2"; tar extraction command hard to remember? use apt-get install unp; unp foo.bar; Create tar.gz: "tar czf foo.tar.gz directory"; Create tar.bz2: "tar cjf foo.tar.bz2 directory", or goes with feathers
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09:24<titan8990>well, that factoid isn't very useful
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09:25<nathan>hi, i don't understand why the line "syntax on" in my vim configuration file return this error : "E319: Sorry, the command is not available in this version: syntax on"
09:26<valdyn>nathan: if you only have vim-tiny installed that may not be supported
09:26<nathan>i ve keep the vim version installed in lenny 504
09:26<nathan>valdyn, ha
09:26<titan8990>nathan: update-alternatives --config vim
09:27<nathan>thanks, it work :)
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09:27<themill>!vim syntax highlighting
09:27<dpkg>somebody said vim syntax highlighting was a way to make <vim> highlight script or source code syntax. Install the vim package and type ':syntax on' when in vim. You can have it enabled every time by adding 'syntax on' to your ~/.vimrc file. See http://vimdoc.sf.net/htmldoc/syntax.html . See also <colored pager>.
09:28<themill>ah... it is just the "vim" package now days not "vim-full" or whatever it used to be.
09:28<nathan>the-dude, yeah
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09:29<the-dude>nathan: ?
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09:30<themill>the-dude: ETAB
09:30<mansi>someone told me about bacula. And i saw amanda during search. can you please guid on these ?
09:30<titan8990>you can ignore those unless your backing up to a tape array
09:32<mansi>titan8990: thanks a lot...i think i can look forrward with dirvish
09:32<mansi>isnt it?
09:32<titan8990>I don't know anything about it but its valdyn's recommendation. Give it a try
09:33<valdyn>i dont know bacula or amanda
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09:33<valdyn>dirvish is great, but with limited scalability
09:34<mansi>okay..thanks a lot..i installed dirvish..going through man pages..is ther any good tutorial for dirvish? i need to incremental backup smb mount
09:34<titan8990>valdyn: amanda is enterprise stuff for tape backup
09:34<valdyn>mansi: dirvish has nothing to do with the smb part
09:35<valdyn>mansi: as long as you can mount it you do back it up
09:35<valdyn>mansi: as long as you can mount it you *can* back it up
09:36<valdyn>mansi: if you need scalability you need something like backuppc, but i guess you plan only on backup up few ( < 5 ) computers
09:36<mansi>okay..gr8..one small doubt...linux can read the file modification time of ntfs filesystsems isnt it?
09:37<valdyn>mansi: it can
09:37<mansi>valdyn: thanks
09:37<mansi>:)
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09:44<panic>I am trying to install a contrib package libdbd-oracle-perl, aptitude tells me that it cannot resolve a necessary package called oracle-instantclient-basic, which is installed but called oracle-instantclient11.2-basic
09:44<panic>what do i have to tell aptitude when it asks "Manually resolve? [N/+/-/_/:/?]" ?
09:47<panic>or is there any way to ignore dependencies?
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09:47<tool>does anyone know about:plugins for firefox?
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09:48<titan8990>!anyone
09:48<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
09:49<Torsten_W>tool, i know that, and now?
09:49<tool>!anyone firefox adobe shockwave flash
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09:49<tool>typed in about:plugins and the mime type enables says no
09:49<tool>*enabled
09:50<Torsten_W>and?
09:50<tool>trying to get flash to work
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09:50<tool>i don't know where to go from here
09:50<Torsten_W>from where?
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09:51<Torsten_W>about:plugins is for information only
09:51<tool>the goal is to get flash working on firefox
09:51<tool>by checking mime type it says nothing is enabled
09:51<tool>need to know how to get it enabled
09:52<Torsten_W>i would install flashplugin-nonfree
09:52<Torsten_W>but, there is no firefox in debian, only iceweasel
09:54<tool>doesn't work with some sites
09:55<TCW>tool, what does not work with some sites?
09:55<tool>iceweasel
09:55<tool>cnn for example
09:55<TCW>tool, how that?
09:55<TCW>let me check
09:56<TCW>tool, any specific feature off ccn.com that does not work?
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09:56<TCW>Looks good here
09:56<tool>better yet - try cnettv.cent.com/tag?hdr;snav
09:57<tool>no rendering at all
09:57<TCW>tool, and iceweasel basically IS firefox, it is (mostly) just rebranded.
09:57<Zathraz>Hi. I want to list all groups on a system. "cat /etc/groups" is not 100% reliable as info can also be stored in for instance ldap. Any suggestions for a better/more robust solution? (not groups a user is a member of, but all groups on system)
09:57<tool>can you guys look at cnet.com
09:57<simNIX>iceweasel = firefox and takes flahplugin-nonfree
09:57<tool>check out the tv part
09:57<simNIX>work perfect for as far as closed stuff is perfect
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09:58<tool>what version iceweasel you guys have?
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09:58<TCW>tool, your url gave me "server not found"
09:58<simNIX>me 3.5.8
09:58<tool>ok try cnet.com
09:58<simNIX>k
09:59<tool>and check out the cnet tv
09:59<tool>mine is 3.0.9
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10:00<TCW>tool, works
10:00<simNIX>watchig it works
10:00<simNIX>its about ford fiesta
10:00<tool>ok - is there a way i can update this to 3.5.8?
10:00<simNIX>im on squeeze thats why my firefox is a later one
10:00<TCW>"Best Laptops 2010" here, wathcing right now
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10:00<themill>,versions iceweasel
10:00<judd>iceweasel -- etch: 2.0.0.19-0etch1; etch-security: 2.0.0.19-0etch1; lenny: 3.0.6-3; lenny-security: 3.0.6-3; lenny-backports: 3.5.8-1~bpo50+2; sid: 3.5.9-2; squeeze: 3.5.9-2; experimental: 3.6.3-1
10:00<TCW>tool, what is your error description? Upgrade may not be the solution
10:00<gsimmons>Zathraz: getent group
10:01<tool>the video and menus are all toggling
10:01<TCW>tool, toogling?
10:02<tool>doing a type of reset
10:02<TCW>tool, visible on a screenshot?
10:02<tool>load then reload
10:02<Zathraz>gsimmons, great ty
10:02<tool>k hang on
10:02<tool>large play button with circle
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10:03<TCW>tool, that looks like gnash or some other open and free flashplayer and NOT adobes flashplayer
10:03<tool>attempting to play makes all the menu items toggle
10:03<TCW>tool, are you using adobes flashplayer or not?
10:04<tool>gnash was installed
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10:04<tool>removing it now
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10:04<TCW>tool, do you have non-free in your sources.list?
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10:04<mbruins>hi i just installed debian for the first time. now i would like to use usenet on debian. i already installed pam. but im not sure how to get good search resoults
10:04<mbruins>any suggestions?
10:05<tool>flashplayer-nonfree is installed
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10:05<TCW>tool, good... check /etc/alternatives/ see what flash plugin is used (it will be a link)
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10:07<TCW>tool, look for flash-mozilla.so and paste to what it links
10:07<TCW>+to
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10:07<tool>i don't see a link anywhere
10:08<tool>there is a /usr/lib/swfdec-mozilla/libswfdecmozilla.so file that looks odd
10:08<TCW>tool, ls -l /etc/alternatives/|grep flash
10:08<nostmith>should be /etc/alternatives/flash-mozilla.so -> /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/libflashplayer.so
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10:08<TCW>tool, and paste the output
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10:08<tool>k
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10:10<tool>ok this is what I have:
10:10<tool> /usr/lib/swfdec-mozilla/libswfdecmozilla.so
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10:10<TCW>tool, that is NOT the output of the command I gave you!
10:10<tool>hang on
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10:10<nostmith>try update-alternatives --config flash-mozilla.so
10:10<tool>just telling you where I'm looking
10:11<TCW>tool, I told you to look at /etc/alternatives/ and not somewhere else
10:11<TCW>nostmith, how about first gathering facts and THEN implementing solutions? :)
10:11<tool>in that directory
10:12<TCW>tool, and is that linked from flash-mozilla.so?
10:12<tool>yeah
10:12<tool>i'm puzzled
10:12<tool>in the directory
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10:12<tool>ls -l | grep flash
10:13<nostmith>TCW, that's the the best&and simple solution, anyway. i wonder if he has flashplugin-nonfree installed anyway
10:13<tool>and that's what came out
10:13<tool>flashplugin-nonfree is installed
10:13<nostmith>TCW said: ls -l /etc/alternatives/|grep flash
10:13<TCW>tool, see what nostmith did say about update-alternatives, run that command and paste the output without doing anything else
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10:14<titan8990>nostmith: find /etc/alternatives/ -name 'flash'
10:14<tool>k
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10:14<titan8990>err 'fash*'
10:14<TCW>titan8990, you missed at least som "*"
10:14<TCW>+e
10:14<nostmith>titan8990, /etc/alternatives/flash-mozilla.so
10:15<tool>nostmith: flash-mozilla.so -> /usr/lib/swfdec-mozilla/libswfdecmozilla.so
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10:15<TCW>tool, where are you with the update-alternatives command?
10:15<titan8990>nostmith: didn't need the output, just improving the command :). although, if we were checking for symlinks... ls -l /etc/alternatives/flash*
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10:16<nostmith>1 solution, and 3 ways to check. now, only if he manage to do that update. :))
10:16<titan8990>tool: that should be /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/libflashplayer.so
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10:17<tool>k
10:17<nostmith>exactly what i said about 10 minutes ago ;)
10:17<titan8990>tool: your using swfdec-mozilla instead of flashplugin-nonfree
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10:17<TCW>I guess one messing round with this thing is enough, I ressign :)
10:17<TCW>-s
10:17<tool>swfdec-mozilla is installed
10:18<tool>should i get rid of it?
10:18<titan8990>tool: I would
10:18<TCW>tool, NO!
10:18<tool>?
10:18<titan8990>TCW: no?
10:18<TCW>titan8990, no!
10:18<nostmith>i guess you don't need that anyway
10:18<TCW>nostmith, happy resolving dependencies!
10:18<themill>umm... .update-alternatives exists for a reason
10:19<tool>ok... explain how to use update-alternatives
10:19<tool>try this first
10:19<nostmith>update-alternatives --config flash-mozilla.so
10:19<tool>k
10:20<tool>tells me nothing to configure
10:20<TCW>tool, paste paste and paste everthing
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10:20<titan8990>did you install flasplugin-nonfree from backports?
10:20<tool>There is only 1 program which provides flash-mozilla.so
10:21<tool>(/usr/lib/swfdec-mozilla/libswfdecmozilla.so). Nothing to configure.
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10:21<simNIX_>dpkg -l|grep flash
10:21<tool>yes
10:21<dpkg>simNIX_: I give up, what is it?
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10:21<edrz>amanda can back up to "virtual" tapes stored on disk. if memory serves, it's a painful system, though.
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10:21<titan8990>simNIX_: dpkg -l flash*
10:22<TCW>titan8990, dpkg -l|grep is better...
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10:22<simNIX_>tnx for sugesting that way titan8990
10:22<TCW>titan8990, there are / were at least some flash packages which did NOT start with flash
10:22<tool>ok I'm in /usr/lib/swfdec-mozilla directory
10:22<TCW>tool, WHY?!
10:23<simNIX_>no need if you want to check if flash nonfree is installed ?
10:23<tool>because the statement said there was nothing to configure so i changed to the directory
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10:23<simNIX_>did you dpkg -l|grep flash ?
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10:23<TCW>tool, WHY?
10:23<simNIX_>that way you are sure flas nonfree is installed
10:24*nostmith lol
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10:25<titan8990>TCW: dpkg -l *flash*
10:25<tool>dpkg -l|grep flash
10:25<tool>ii flashplugin-nonfree-extrasound 0.0.svn2431-3 Adobe Flash Player platform support library
10:25<dpkg>tool: i haven't a clue
10:25<TCW>tool, wrong package
10:25<simNIX_>tool then try aptitude install flasplugin-nonfree
10:26<nostmith>tool, aptitude search flashplugin-nonfree
10:26<simNIX_>*flash
10:26<tool>flashplugin-nonfree is installed
10:26<TCW>tool, _PASTE_!
10:26<simNIX_>your output of a mommnt ago sugests not
10:26<tool>and removed gnash
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10:27<tool>TCW i pasted what was displayed
10:27<TCW>a not cooperative user screwing around...
10:27<simNIX_>and thats not the flaf plugin
10:27<themill>!show sources.list tool
10:27<dpkg>tool: Please pastebin the contents of your /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*.list. The easiest way to do this is to pastebin the output of: find /etc/apt/ -name '*.list' -printf "\n%p:\n" -exec cat {} \;
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10:27<TCW>tool, yes... and WE tha guys who know say that is the wrong packge, you do NOT have the adobe flashplayer installed!
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10:28<tool>ok
10:28<tool>opened up synaptic
10:28<tool>looked for the file
10:28<TCW>tool, would you mind stopping DOING and start listening?
10:28<tool>only gives me flashplugin-nonfree-extrasound
10:28<simNIX_>themill, asked you to paste
10:28<themill>tool: either start doing things that people ask you to do or watch everyone give up on you.
10:29<tool>trying to
10:29<themill>!pastebin
10:29<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastebin.ca/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>.
10:29<gdb>Please don't treat the guy like an idiot. Just explain, "Well, what you pasted there is a support library (sound related) for the main plugin, which doesn't appear to be installed. Let's look at that..." Berating him isn't very helpful.
10:29<tool>but too many ppl at one time
10:29<TCW>tool, you are not trying, not at all!
10:29<tool>?
10:29<tool>ok..
10:29<themill>!show sources.list tool
10:29<dpkg>tool: Please pastebin the contents of your /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*.list. The easiest way to do this is to pastebin the output of: find /etc/apt/ -name '*.list' -printf "\n%p:\n" -exec cat {} \;
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10:30<TCW>tool, pick one who you feel may be helpful and listen to what he says and address questions directly to him
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10:30<caocoa>Hello, I'm new on IRC ; I'm a french student. How could I use xdcc ? Thanks ;)
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10:30<tool>all you guys are great
10:30<tool>just trying to try everything at one time
10:30<titan8990>gdb: it can be frustrating when people do not follow instructions and instead insist on doing there own thing... especially when they are asking you for help
10:30<tool>hard to keep up
10:30<TCW>caocoa, wrong channel, good bye
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10:30<titan8990>s/there/their/
10:31<tool>ok how to i get flashplugin-nonfree installed without synaptic?
10:31<caocoa>So I do... good bye.
10:31<titan8990>tool: start with what themill asked you
10:31<tool>k
10:31<TCW>tool, paste the output of your sources.list
10:32<simNIX_>tool by reading back to the 2x themill asjked to pastebin /etc/apt/sources.list -> that files defines where to get [packages - probably it needs an adition for you to be able to add flashpulgin-nofree after which flash in firefox should work
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10:32<TCW>tool, you know how pasting works with Linux?
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10:32<tool>no
10:33<TCW>tool, why not asking?
10:33<tool>!show sources.list <--unfamiliar
10:33<dpkg><--unfamiliar: Please pastebin the contents of your /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*.list. The easiest way to do this is to pastebin the output of: find /etc/apt/ -name '*.list' -printf "\n%p:\n" -exec cat {} \;
10:34<nostmith>press ALT+F2 and type: gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
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10:34<TCW>tool, since half an hour several folks ask you to paste stuff... und you did not have the guts to tell you have no idea how to do that... don't you think that is kinda counterproductive?
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10:35<themill>seems to be able to paste into the channel without any issues
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10:36<TCW>themill, that depends...
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10:36<nostmith>tool, have you managed to open that file?
10:37<tool>not yet
10:37<gdb>TCW: You keep jacking him up as if he's an idiot. Of course he's not going to want to admit he doesn't know how to do yet another thing and risk more public ridicule.
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10:38<tool>i'm using xchat - is there a way to copy text
10:38<nostmith>tool, once you open that file copy the content and paste it to http://paste.debian.net/ and only give us the link
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10:39<tool>i can do it from here but i need to know how i can copy text from chat text
10:39<simNIX_>tool - selecting it in xchat is sufficient - paste can be done by midle mouse button click or richt mous -> paste
10:39<TCW>gdb, imho it is NOT natural to withhold the information when someone is not able to do something... it is so utterly counterproductive I could never think of any reason withholding such info. As... the solution may depend on it!
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10:41<TCW>phone call... bbl
10:41<gdb>TCW: You're right, I understand that, and I understand it's frustrating when you face that. The issue is that someone that's floundering, lost, asking for help, is likely already feeling embarrassed by their lack of knowledge. Hounding them in frustration only makes them want to be less forthcoming. That's my only point. At least from following the conversation, things seem to be gradually moving in a direction that will get tool where he needs to be with
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10:44<tool>find /etc/apt/ -name '*.list' -printf "\n%p: \n" -exec cat {} \;
10:44<tool>/etc/apt/sources.list:
10:44<tool>#
10:44<tool>deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 5.0.4 _Lenny_ - Official i386 NETINST Binary-1 20100201-16:45]/ lenny main
10:44<tool>deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 5.0.4 _Lenny_ - Official i386 NETINST Binary-1 20100201-16:45]/ lenny main
10:44-!-tool was kicked from #debian by debhelper [use the paster bot or #flood]
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10:45<nostmith>just open a browser and go to http://paste.debian.net
10:46<nostmith>and paste the content there.
10:46<tool>TCW can you give me the link again
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10:46<gdb>http://paste.debian.net/
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10:46<gdb>tool, the above is the debian "pastebin", a place you can upload as much text as you need to clearly communicate your issue
10:47<tool>ok
10:47<gdb>It will provide you with a short URL you can paste here for others to visit and see what you've provided.
10:47<tool>this is what i entered from what dpkg told me:
10:47<tool> find /etc/apt/ -name '*.list' -printf "\n%p: \n" -exec cat {} \;
10:47<simNIX>sigh
10:47<tool>was that incorrect?
10:48<simNIX>well yup - its not ok to paste may lines here - thats why they ask do it on pastebin
10:48<simNIX>keeps chathere clener
10:48<simNIX>*may=many
10:48<titan8990>tool: instead, do: "find /etc/apt/ -name '*.list' -printf "\n%p: \n" -exec cat {} \; | pastebinit -b http://paste.debian.net/"
10:49<tool>pasted
10:49<titan8990>tool: after installing pastebinit of course. the result will be a link you can paste into the chat
10:49<tool>http://paste.debian.net/71061/
10:49<nostmith>good.
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10:50<titan8990>,versions flashplugin-nonfree
10:50<judd>flashplugin-nonfree -- etch-backports/contrib: 1:1.4~bpo40+1; lenny-backports/contrib: 1:2.5~bpo50+1; sid/contrib: 1:2.8; squeeze/contrib: 1:2.8
10:50<simNIX>k - from that we can dt you need to ad a line before you can add flasheduc
10:50<simNIX>dt=deduct
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10:51<tool>add a line?
10:51<simNIX>check http://www.backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions
10:52<titan8990>tool: echo 'deb http://www.backports.org/debian lenny-backports main contrib' >> /etc/apt/sources.list; aptitude upgrade && aptitude install flashplugin-nonfree
10:52<simNIX>yes; to file /etc/apt/sourcee installeds.list -> that file holds simply put where files can be found to b
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10:52<simNIX>the flash isnt free so not in the default places sorta say ...
10:52<titan8990>err, sorry, 2nd command should read "aptitude update"
10:52<tool>is this a repository?
10:52<simNIX>yes
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10:53<simNIX>that line there adds a repository
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10:53<simNIX>the line:
10:53<simNIX>deb http://www.backports.org/debian lenny-backports main contrib non-free
10:54<simNIX>should be added
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10:55<simNIX>then do as root:
10:55<simNIX>aptitude update
10:55<simNIX>then
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10:55<simNIX>aptitdude install debian-backports-keyring
10:55<simNIX>once more:
10:55<simNIX>aptitude update
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10:56<simNIX>and then you should be able to add flashplugin-nonfree
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10:57<darrob>hi. what's the best way to run a process (a perl script) in the background on a server. so far i let it run in screen to be able to detach and logout. is there another option?
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10:57<simNIX>darrob, do you need to be able to get it in foreground again ?
10:58<darrob>simNIX: no
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10:58<simNIX>then I would utilize daemontools-run -> besides starting it it wil restart it if it dies
10:58<titan8990>darrob: nohup command & disown
10:59<simNIX>or you could put in /etc/rc.local
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10:59<goody>in wireless ad hoc mode,my two machine can find each other in scanning,but when ping to the other,the result is fail. one ip is 192.168.0.1 and the other is 192.168.0.2,same mask.what other should be concerned?
10:59<simNIX> /that/thatcommand &
10:59<darrob>simNIX, titan8990: sounds good. thanks guys, i'll look into it
11:00<tool>how do i disable touchpad scrolling
11:01<tool>right side of touchpad
11:01<simNIX>are you in gnome tool ?
11:01<tool>yes
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11:01<simNIX>system -> preferences -> mouse
11:02<simNIX>there on my box in last tab I can set it
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11:05<simNIX>when info available is so much you feel flooded - feel free in luxury of more info then you need ;0)
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11:09<bighornram>doing upgrade using aptitude I'm getting a message from openssh ending with "/tmp/XXXXX (END)" hitting enter changes to "(END)" only then enter does nothing. What is expected at this step?
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11:10<tool>trying to edit the /etc/apt/sources.list via gedit but it won't let me save due to permission issues
11:10<themill>bighornram: q to quit?
11:10<tool>is there something else I can use?
11:10<tool>or do?
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11:10<bighornram>themill: that did it thanks
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11:10<Sarkofag>tool: are you using sudo och are logged in as root?
11:11<themill>bighornram: that's presumably apt-listchanges showing you the NEWS or changelogs.
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11:11<tool>root
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11:13<tool>tried to login under root and run gedit but it tells me i can't open the display
11:13<simNIX>you are loged in as root in a terminal - but I think you opend the editor as your normaal user
11:13<simNIX>do
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11:14<simNIX>sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
11:14<tool>yes,.. once as a normal user
11:14<simNIX>in a normal terminal
11:14<tool>then tried it as root
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11:14<simNIX>normal beinig a not root one
11:14<corepenta>tool, verify if your X server is accepting TCP connections
11:14<tool>sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list = cannot open display:
11:15<corepenta>if yes, execute xhost 127.0.0.1
11:15<themill>corepenta: umm... that's so not going to be helpful here.
11:15<Sarkofag>tool: try to use a terminal based editor, I don't trust this fancy graphic once
11:15<simNIX>then you do it in a root terminal
11:15<simNIX>try in a normal temrin
11:15<simNIX>not terminal as root
11:15<simNIX>but the other
11:15<tool>quick question - does debian have vi?
11:16-!-mode/#debian [+l 438] by debhelper
11:16<simNIX>yup
11:16<corepenta>themill: why not?
11:16<titan8990>tool: yes, along with all other POSIX compliant OS's
11:16<simNIX>sudo vi /etc/apt/sources.list
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11:17<themill>corepenta: debian doesn't run X listening on TCP and if you've watched any of the previous interaction, you'd know that "verify if your X server is accepting TCP connections" is well beyond what this user can manage at the moment. And running xhost + is just icky.
11:17<corepenta>fellows, any comment about using debian over Hyper-v at production environment?
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11:40<tool>is there any other way of configuring the mouse outside of system > preferences > mouse
11:40<tool>can't disable touchpad mousewheel scrolloing
11:40<tool>scrolling
11:42<titan8990>tool: install gsynaptics and use that
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11:43<ffws>tool: tpconfig
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11:48<babilen>tool: There are various ways - there are tools like gsynaptics/tpconfig/gpointing-device-settings/xinput, you can configure the touchpad using hal/udev rules and within your xorg.conf. Given that xorg.conf will once again be the default way of configuring it, I would suggest to use that if that behaviour should be the system default. What kind of laptop do you have?
11:49<tool>thinkpad
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11:49<tool>tried using tpconfig but it tell me could not open PS/2 port
11:50<babilen>ok, take a look at http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Synaptics_TouchPad_driver_for_X
11:51<tool>k
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11:51<babilen>tool: thinkwiki is a great resource for linux on thinkpads
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11:54<tool>do you know where xorg.conf is located
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11:57<babilen>tool: /etc/X11/xorg.conf - you might want to paste it to http://paste.debian.net when you are done, so we can take a look
11:57<tool>was wondering what this means: find /etc/apt/ -name '*.list' -printf "\n%p:\n" -exec cat {} \;
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11:58<titan8990>tool: it finds files that would contain you configured repositories and prints them to the terminal
11:59<babilen>!tell tool -about using find
11:59<babilen>tool: You might want to read the Debian reference
11:59<babilen>!tell tool about reference
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12:00<tool>clear up until this part: "\n%p": \n" -exec cat {} \;
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12:01<babilen>tool: format specifier for the printf and the command that will be executed for each file that is found
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12:02<tool>http://paste.debian.net/71080/
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12:03<babilen>tool: Have you made any changes?
12:03<babilen>tool: Read "man synaptics"
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12:04<tool>verify if your X server is accepting TCP connections <- how does one do a verify?
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12:04<tool>no no changes
12:05<babilen>tool: In what way is that related to your touchpad configuration? Are you following some kind of tutorial?
12:05<tool>downloaded gsynaptics
12:05<tool>but doesn't seem to work
12:05<tool>previously was getting info on installing flash player for ice weasel
12:05<tool>received a lot of input
12:06<tool>have no idea what any of it means
12:06<tool>want to know what ppl are talking about
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12:08<babilen>tool: Configure your touchpad in xorg.conf - "man synaptics" and the thinkwiki page should provide enough information. You should also read /usr/share/doc/xserver-xorg-input-synaptics/README.Debian.gz ...
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12:09<tool>will this also help me to setup compiz?
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12:10<babilen>tool: The easiest way (IMHO) to get flash support in iceweasel is to install flashplugin-nonfree from backports (/msg dpkg bpo - if you want to learn how to use backports). If you have questions → ask
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12:12<babilen>tool: No, that will not help you with compiz, but with your touchpad which makes use of the "synaptics" driver once you've configured to do so. I have absolutely no clue about compiz, but would think that you can find some fine documentation about it in /usr/share/doc/compiz and on the compiz website.
12:12<tool>is there a way to improve the graphics - for example make the terminal window transparent?
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12:12<tool>k
12:13<babilen>yes, there are plenty of ways. But why don't you try to solve *your* problems one step at a time?
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12:28<causion>Hello
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12:28<causion>yuuu
12:29<causion>Algun españollllll??
12:29<noflash>!es
12:29<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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12:29<causion>djedcjeededede
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12:30<retrospectacus>what is it with spanish speakers and idiocy?
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12:30<noflash>genetics?
12:30<noflash>;)
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12:36<patrick>hello
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12:36<kristjan_>misasi see veel n ?
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12:49<unixabg>Is anyone online who could discuss debtakeover?
12:50<amphi>I don't anyone who actually used it
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13:01<acu>guys - how can we know when is the squeeze going to freeze ?
13:01<unixabg>amphi, was that on my debtakeover ?
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13:28<amphi>unixabg: yes; I meant I didn't know anyone who'd used it
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13:29<titan8990>the readme said that it was tested in real-world... although, it didn't do a very good job explaining what it was
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13:29<unixabg>amphi, well I have tested and I am interested since I want an easy way to upgrade some servers from other oses to Debian.
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13:30<amphi>unixabg: I know no more about it than the dpkg factoid, I'm afraid
13:30<unixabg>amphi, is it possible to set grub to boot an installer image on the hard drive with a preseed on the web that was automated?
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13:30<unixabg>I would know the ip address and I think I could have it launch an ssh session.
13:31<unixabg>Sort of a rescue setup.
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13:36<butzE>does somebody know a plugin for pidgin that let me use the arrow up button to get the last written text... like in shell
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13:37<titan8990>butzE: pidgin has their own channel that would be better to ask in
13:37<babilen>butzE: no - but #pidgin on irc.freenode.net might know
13:37<titan8990>butzE: its on irc.freenode.net
13:37<butzE>ok
13:37<butzE>thx
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14:12<julian>hello
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14:15<nathan__>!dpkg flash
14:15<dpkg>it has been said that flash is frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> or <swfdec> for free implementations or <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation. See also http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer
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14:15<nathan__>HAHA IL LOVE YOU DPKG
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14:17<sney>nathan__: you can also /msg dpkg
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14:18<sney>it's just like using the ! except it's for you only
14:18<nathan__>sney, thanks
14:18<nathan__>:)
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14:19<nathan__>hum, someone get some problems with lenny backports? deb http://www.backports.org/debian lenny-backports main contrib non-free
14:20<sney>yeah, all on one line
14:20<sney>looks fine to me otherwise
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14:23<centyx>I have an old irssi theme that uses characters from cp437, but I'm having trouble getting the characters to display properly using the corresponding terminus font in xterm. I'm not sure what locale I should be using... Any suggestions on getting these "high ascii" characters to display in Squeeze?
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14:27<centyx>I guess I should redo the theme using unicode characters, huh.
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14:30<sney>that's probably the easiest way to accomplish it. you can also dpkg-reconfigure locales to add more codepage support, but forwards compatibility is probably better
14:30<jthomas_sb_>I'm running Lenny with BackupPC, and about 2 months ago the graphing just decided to quit. The graph still appears with the data from before, but ever since that date in Feb, the graph drops down the axis, showing no new data. It also reads, "Pool is 0.00GB comprising 0 files and 1 directories (as of 4/28 01:00)" but I know that the " $Conf{TopDir} = '/var/lib/backuppc'; " has like 1.x TB of data. What may be wrong?
14:31<centyx>sney: yea, I already tried dpkg-reconfiguring locales, didn't see any relevant.
14:32<sney>centyx: it's also possible you're missing a font.
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14:33<centyx>sney: I'm specifying the font with xterm -fn, and it's using it, so I doubt that is the issue. I may have the wrong one, though.
14:35<centyx>sney: actually, it may not be using it. how can I tell? urxvt refused to use it.
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14:35<sney>centyx: I'm not sure, actually... but the man page for xterm may point you in the right direction
14:35<centyx>sney: rxvt-unicode complained that it couldn't find the encoding IBM-CP437
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14:36<centyx>sney: I'm interested in getting the old chars to work also b/c there's a telnet bbs I'd like to try out that uses these characters as well
14:36<centyx>sney: it's not important thoough
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14:41<Luffy1980>Does anybody know what's the problem with the group of packages util-linux, bsdutils, mount, uuid-dev, etc? They're supposed to be essential packages, but version 2.17 has been in experimental for months now and it hasn't received any update since then. Are these packages still maintained?
14:41<sney>there might be an unresolved dependency issue or a DFSG issue
14:42<sney>just a guess but those are things that could easily stop some things from moving down the pipe
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14:43<Luffy1980>sney: ok, but is there anyone who knows what's the actual problem?
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14:44<sney>well it seems like it's just me in here right now, so you might have to look elsewhere. check the BTS and the d-devel ml archive, and if that fails try contacting one of the maintainers directly
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14:46<Luffy1980>sney: ok, I'll do that. I mean, as an example, look at ubuntu: http://packages.ubuntu.com/lucid/mount, they got version 2.17.2 already!
14:46<sney>debian does not make decisions based on what "ubuntu did already"
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14:48<Luffy1980>sney: yeah, that's because I meant it should have, right? I meant that's it behind in important packages, with no recent updates which let us think they're being maintained
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14:49<sney>so what's the fantastic new feature in 2.17 anyway
14:50<centyx>sney: Just FYI, the encoding is in xfonts-encodings ( /usr/sharre/fonts/X11/encodings ), but isn't being found for some reason.
14:50<sney>lenny is frozen and squeeze/sid are both at 2.16
14:52<sney>the upgrade will likely happen at some point - considering 2.17 has a todo list on qa - but in all seriousness, what is the major gain from 2.16 to 2.17? I honestly don't know but it must be something at least proportional to your response, Luffy1980
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14:53<rafael291>tem alguem do brasil por ai?
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14:53<sney>!br
14:53<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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16:17<ariel>hola!
16:18<Sasha_>Hey
16:18<ariel>hola soy de argentina.. vos?
16:19<Sasha_>Hola! soy de europa
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16:19<ariel>es mi primer vez en el chat. como funcion esto ?
16:20<ariel>hola!
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16:21<ariel>hola...hola..
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16:22<locklace>!es-social ariel
16:22<dpkg>ariel: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador, por favor vaya a otro canal. Si necesitas soporte con Debian en Espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
16:22<ariel>gracias.
16:23<ariel>#debian-es
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16:27<niktaris>seems I can't mount ntfs drives as normal user
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16:54<old>niktaris: As far as I know it is possible to mount NTFS as user.
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16:55<AlbDS>hi
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17:06<fredz>Have been looking for a lenny replacement for WinSCP. Have been trying secpanel but I can't seem to get the GUI to work, it only runs in terminal mode. Any thoughts?
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17:11<locklace>how about...scp
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17:14<Mepingo>configure sendmail or mutt (anyone)
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17:15<Mepingo>hi, anyone home!!!
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17:16<old>Mepingo: Hello.
17:16<amphi>why sendmail? why not, say, postfix?
17:16<Mepingo>amphi : Ahh. lets give it a try..
17:17<amphi>postfix has good docs, and is relatively easy to configure
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17:21<Mepingo>amphi : can i get some documentation to configure postfix..or (random guess simply won't work)
17:21<amphi>yes
17:22<amphi>installing postfix-doc might help somewhat
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17:22<Mepingo>amphi : now in the configuration terminal.
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17:23<Francesco>!list
17:23<dpkg>francesco: VATTENE VIA
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17:23<amphi>heh
17:24<Mepingo>amphi : if things go bad can i revert to default...
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17:26<Mepingo>amphi : simply to uninstall it and reinstall it. (that's it) configure again...again..
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17:30<adb>niktaris, /msg dpkg ntfs-3g
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17:36<Mepingo>amphi : how to run postfix..
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17:36<amphi>/etc/init.d/postfix [re]start
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17:41<Mepingo>amphi : how to edit : /etc/postfix/sasl/smtpd.conf
17:42<Unmensch>is it possible, that the radeon driver ist slower with kms kernels?
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17:47<Mepingo>amphi : postfix got messy., got stuck
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17:48<Mepingo>amphi : * Usage: /etc/init.d/postfix {start|stop|restart|reload|flush|check|abort|force-reload}
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17:50<Mepingo>amphi : * Starting Postfix Mail Transport Agent postfix [ OK ]
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17:50<Mepingo>amphi : Are we done...
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17:51<Mepingo>amphi : how do we send mail through postfix..now!
17:51<bja>Does anyone know of a program that strips email attachments on a per user basis?
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17:52<Mepingo>Anyone!
17:52<bja>Mepingo: What is your problem?
17:53<Mepingo>how do we send mail through postfix
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17:53<bja>F
17:53<dondelelcaro>bja: you can do that using procmail and formail
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17:54<bja>dondelelcaro: thx i'll look into those
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17:55<dondelelcaro>bja: there's also mimefilter which may work too
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17:56<n3lab>re2all
17:56<n3lab>can anybody help me with compiz? after debian testing upgrade compiz not working(
17:56<n3lab>how can i check what is wrong with him?)
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17:56<bja>dondelelcaro: which one would be most suitable for a production server?
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18:00<n3lab>hey hey!
18:00<n3lab>stop sleep plz :)
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18:11<bja>dondelelcaro: formail is not on the official repos right?
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18:15<themill>bja: it's part of procmail (apt-file is your friend :)
18:15<bja>!coffee themill
18:15*dpkg decants a fine brew of fair trade Jamaican Blue Mountain for themill, courtesy of bja
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18:15<themill>mmmm.... smells good
18:16-!-mode/#debian [+l 409] by debhelper
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18:17<jcdubacq>is there some way to know which SATA level is supported by the motherboard?
18:18<jcdubacq>beyond deciphering cryptic letters inside the box?
18:18<petemc>dmidecode?
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18:19<n3lab>re
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18:19<n3lab>so when i try to do "compiz --replace"
18:19<n3lab>i get this http://debian.pastebin.com/5G97KdG6
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18:21<mandrake>is this the canal of debian-gt¿?
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18:23<babilen>mandrake: wouldn't that be #debian-gt?
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18:26<mandrake>#debian-gt
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18:26<babilen>mandrake: /join #debian-gt ;)
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18:27<mandrake>thanks!
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18:29<n3lab>((
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18:29<babilen>n3lab: This is not #lisp
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18:30<n3lab>lisp?
18:30<salman>I have a usb hauwie device that I am using successfully in my squeeze notebook. I tried it today in a friends notebook running squeeze too. In my computer it connect to /dev/ttyUSB0 but in the other computer there is no /dev/USBanything
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18:30<old>n3lab: Hard to figure... There's not much debug info in compiz's output...
18:31<babilen>n3lab: It's a programming language that makes excessive use of parantheses
18:31<n3lab>old, so what i can do with this trouble?)
18:32<n3lab>i allready checked xorg.conf. it's = xorg.conf from debian wiki
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18:33<old>n3lab: Are you sure that config is suitable for you?
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18:33<n3lab>sure.
18:34<n3lab>and it was working. but after upgrade it broken
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18:34<old>n3lab: upgrade to which version?
18:35<n3lab>i have testing
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18:37<bja>themill: which one is more suitable for server deployment formail or mimefilter?
18:37<old>n3lab: My compiz also broke, but returned to normal after another upgrade. Also someone @ubutntuforums managed to make it work again by reinstalling the graphic card driver.
18:37<n3lab>mm
18:37<n3lab>so i ll try to upgrade again :)
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18:38<themill>bja: I've only ever used formail for a little spam filtering in my personal .procmailrc... no idea.
18:38<jayvirus>salman, what package are you using for that?
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18:39<old>n3lab: Well, compiz is at the same version in squeeze and sid. :(
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18:40<bja>!next
18:40<dpkg>Another happy customer leaves the building.
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18:40<n3lab>old, and?
18:40<thonyz>hola algunos programadores online??
18:41<thonyz>hi!!
18:41<bja>!es
18:41<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
18:41<old>n3lab: This means that upgrading probably won't help, as you already have sid's version of compiz.
18:42<bja>thonyz: What is your question?
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18:43<thonyz>my question is
18:43<salman>jayvirus, for what? running the device? wvdial, but the device is not connected to USB0 in the first place
18:43<salman>I checked dmesg and the device is recognized but there is no mention of what port it is connected to. in my computer it is always connected to USB0
18:43<n3lab>old, and what will help?)
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18:44<old>n3lab: I don't know. Is there an option to make compiz more verbose?
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18:45<thonyz>I am in internships and am new in php and in the utilization of javascrip then tendras tutoriales that use me as help??
18:45<jayvirus>salman, was the device connected before booting?
18:45<salman>jayvirus, no
18:45<n3lab>mm. i don't know too
18:45<n3lab>i am not geek in compiz)
18:45<salman>jayvirus, never had to do that in my computer
18:45*old gives n3lab a missing parenthesis.
18:46<jayvirus>salma, well I use a ZTE mobile for the same purpose, and for some reason it will never work unless its connected before booting
18:46<bja>thonyz: take a trip to google, if i had any i probably forget their urls and would have to google them again
18:46<salman>jayvirus, my computer does not have any /dev/ttyUSB now but when I connect the usb device it will be created. I do not know what package is resposible for this
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18:48<sney>thonyz: este canal no es de programando o php, por favor vaya a otro canal (quizas #php en irc.freenode.net?)
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18:48<old>n3lab: Unfortunately there is no such option. I cannot help you. I'll be going now - it's getting late.
18:48<bja>wow sney that was nice
18:48<n3lab>bye ;)
18:48<sney>what can I say, I'm a nice guy :P
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18:49<thonyz>1era vez que uso este chat donde estan los canales??
18:50<sney>thonyz: tecla esto: /server irc.freenode.net y despues /join #php
18:50<jayvirus>thonyz que cliente irc estas usando?
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18:51<thonyz>como te digo brother 1era vez que utilizo este chat y nose casi nada
18:51<bja>thonyz: ok grafico o consola?
18:51<thonyz>grafico man
18:52*themill wonders if he suddenly stumbled into #debian-es
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18:52<sney>it's xchat and he's on ubuntu
18:52<amphi>xchat 2.8.6 Ubuntu, it seems
18:52<sney>like all of the lost spaniards who show up here
18:52<bja>sney: thx
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18:52<bja>thonyz: arriba lado izquierdo tienes una línea que dice bja pica ahí con el boton del lado izquierdo del mouse
18:53<jayvirus>salman, I've been looking for a package with such decription, but I cannot find one, at this point all that I can advise is to test it with the device connected before booting
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18:54<bja>sney do you know of a grafical tuto for xchat?
18:54<sney>I wish
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19:18<bja>sney:
19:18<bja>!es-xchat
19:18<dpkg>http://translate.google.com/translate?js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=1&eotf=1&u=http://xchat.org/docs/start/&sl=en&tl=es
19:18<sney>haha
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19:22<themill>EURLTOOLONG. http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http://xchat.org/docs/start/&tl=es would actually be sufficient
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19:23<petemc>they both look pretty long to me
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19:23<ivan_>hi i have a question, my xorg detect everything correctly but only the synaptic option for tabbutton is disabled, i tried to create an automatic xorg.conf file but it gives me a fatal error, could i only create a xorg.conf with synaptics options
19:23<ivan_>?
19:23<ivan_>or do i need to create a complete xorg.conf? :/
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19:26<bja>themill: your link and google don't seem to get along
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19:27<themill>odd.... wfm
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19:28<retrospectacus>my terminal (irssi) creates the auto-link only up to ?u=http: you need to copy-paste
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19:30<bja>retrospectacus: on what version?
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19:30<bja>retrospectacus: try themill version for it, it is indeed smaller
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19:31<sney>bja: just do a tinyurl
19:31<gpm>hi. is there an easy way to enable a guest account a la https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Specs/Intrepid/GuestAccount and/or http://packages.ubuntu.com/gdm-guest-session in debian?
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19:33<retrospectacus>it's gnome-terminal v.2.28.1 - http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http://xchat.org/docs/start/&tl=es - when you put your mouse over that it only recognises up to the / as a hyperlink
19:33<retrospectacus>the GET param should be urlencoded I presume
19:33<pipelinehazard>How do I set Gnome up so that it switches to a window when I click anywhere on it?
19:34<pipelinehazard>Right now I have to click on the titlebar for that
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19:35<bja>retrospectacus: thx, working on it right now
19:35<pipelinehazard>Nothing in Window Preferences seems to work for me :<
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19:38<retrospectacus>pipelinehazard: is this for all windows? or certain ones like remote desktop or vmware-guest
19:38<pipelinehazard>For all windows
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19:39<retrospectacus>then I dunno..
19:39<bja>!es-xchat
19:39<dpkg>http://tinyurl.com/deb.li/xchates
19:39<bja>retrospectacus: try ^^
19:39<themill>fail?
19:40<pipelinehazard>Is that the default behavior? I've used debian since like 2003 and I don't remember it ever being like this :<
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19:40<themill>bja: I meant http://deb.li/xchates
19:41<retrospectacus>yeah that last one is good
19:42<retrospectacus>pipelinehazard: no I have never encountered that behaviour
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19:43<pipelinehazard>weird. Might have been something I installed
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22:30<chlin1>generally what desktop environment will use in office env?
22:31<amitz>generally office environment is best used gnome.
22:32<amitz>because many well established office apps use gnome's library.
22:32<amitz>for large office.
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22:34<chlin1>looks like so. i am using gnome at the moment. but seems like it consumes lots of memory as well. around 3G mem with 827672k used.
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22:34<sney>something like xfce4 can be good if you don't want to use as much ram/resources
22:34<sney>it's still GTK and the menus are still sane, but it doesn't hog as much as gnome does
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22:35<chlin1>sney: thanks. will try it to see if it works good in my env.
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22:37<bja>chlin1: try also sawmill, not as featurefull as xfce but it does the job
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22:38<bja>chlin1: I have a few 128 MB workstation that might need some real tweaks to run oo
22:39<chlin1>bja: what is sawmill? I google and seems there is no such desktop env (or wm).
22:39<chlin1>does it have official website?
22:39<bja>yes, wait a sec
22:39<sney>you don't mean sawfish?
22:40<bja>chlin1: ok it changed names to sawfish ;P
22:40<bja>sney: your are right
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22:41<simonrvn>sawfish
22:41<simonrvn>sawmill ^^
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22:43<chlin1>argh~ thanks. will try that as well. : )
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23:07<franki^>Why does "aptitude remove linux-image-<tab><tab>" show kernels that aren't installed? :s
23:08<franki^>It doesn't do it on my laptop, but, it does on my girlfriend's.
23:09<franki^>I'm sure there must be some command to update the list of installed packages that the tab-completion is using.
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23:09<franki^>But, I can't see it on the man page.
23:10<franki^>Possibly it's a bash thing rather than an aptitude thing? (It has just occurred to me)
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23:14<sney>franki^: I just don't think it's that smart, is all.
23:14<chealer>franki^: if you're using bash, it *is* a bash completion thing.
23:17<franki^>chealer: Aha, so the fact that I'm using bash 4.1.5 and she's using 4.0.33 would probably be the answer?
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23:18<chealer>franki^: I don't think the bash version per se matters. bash-completion is a separate package.
23:18<franki^>chealer: True.
23:19<chealer>which, if I'm not mistaken, is not enabled by default...I would be less than surprised if it offered me an irrelevant option.
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23:21<franki^>Well, it seems to work perfectly for me; but I was just removing an old kernel from my girlfriend's machine and noticed that it brought up a whole load of non-existent completions. I guess that I've found the reason, although I doubt that I'll do anything about it, I was just curious.
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23:21<franki^>So, thanks.
23:21<amitz>must you rub the girlfriend part? ;-)
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23:22<franki^>Sorry, my anonymous, non-gender specific, friends machine. :)
23:22<franki^>friend's*
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23:23<amitz>that's better ;-)
23:23<gpm>hi. is there an easy way to enable a guest account a la https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Specs/Intrepid/GuestAccount and/or http://packages.ubuntu.com/gdm-guest-session in debian?
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23:35<Nil>franki:Aptitude is the worst way to modify the system.
23:36<sney>gpm: you're not the first person to ask that so right now I'm taking apart what ubuntu did. so far it looks like it's just hacked on top of gdm's fast user switching function,
23:36<Nil>You can not see the packs tha it will remove.
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23:37<Nil>franki:Use synaptic or shell
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23:37<Nil>Make sure that the packs that will be removed are to reinstall again.
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23:58<amitz>Say, is there an automated mechanism to subscribe to security announce list, wait after a period of time after a security update is announced, display new entry on bugs.debian.org for problem on the new package, then upgrade if I give it a go.
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23:58<amitz>?
23:59<amitz>perhaps a package or some combination of packages?
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