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---Logopened Fri Apr 30 00:00:18 2010
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00:38<kop>Humm. I've been doing some reading. It seems that last summer xen failed to merge dom0 into the mainline and things have been static since. Now there's this quote ""There never were any attempts to get Xen into the kernel," wrote Citrix CTO and XenSource co-founder Simon Crosby last week in a blog." Seems like I was right to avoid xen after it got a MS injection and that KVM is really the way to go.
00:38<kop>(Or virtualbox etc if you don't have hardware support.)
00:39<bja>kop: guess you were right, i am still using kvm on intel, without the graphics so things work pretty well :)
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00:42<kop>bja: It was easy to be "right". Both because as soon as MS sticks its finger in I reflexivly expect trouble and because I never had the hardware support anyway so it was mostly academic. :) MS money makes me wonder about joomla.... :-P
00:44<bja>kop: i don't remember where i read a rant about ms sticking its money and the projects collapsing because of that.
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00:46<kop>bja: IIRC MS stuck some money into silk so they'd stay gpl v2 instead of moving to v3. Could be wrong. But silk could be a strong sharepoint rival....
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00:47<simonrvn>m$ft always does things for m$ft reasons, not because it's the right thing. that applies to corporations in general.
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00:48<bja>kop: sorry, i just can't remember. guess after a few hours sleep it will suddenly pop up.
00:48<kop>simonrvn: Yeah, but I'd be interesting if MS has learned how to crash FOSS projects. Otherwise all they've got is patent threats.
00:49<bja>kop: they are fast learners
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00:50<simonrvn>easy to do. put some cash in, wait until the project is dependent on it, and then when they need more, withhold it. watch it shrivel.
00:50<bja>watch it bust
00:50<simonrvn>gov't does the same to community projects.
00:51<simonrvn>when the project begins to criticise the gov't, watch them not get funding anymore.
00:51<simonrvn>it's cruel, and sometimes deadly....
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00:52<simonrvn>this is why some gift horses you have to refuse at the door ;) (trojan horse)
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00:54<bja>simonrvn: i've seen them too many times in both ways huge corporations and also on goverments. I don't trus either of them
00:54<simonrvn>i volunteer or have volunteered at several community level orgs, so i know
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00:57<simonrvn>e.g., the "aboriginal healing foundation" was meant to provide funding to community-run and based indigenous groups. the gov't killed it on march 31. the native womens' shelter here lost 1 or 2/3 of their funding; which meant they lost a rape councillor, an outreach worker, and another councillor.
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00:58<simonrvn>it was funded and set up by their gov't as a part response to the "apology" (apology my ass) for the residential schools.
00:58<simonrvn>(sorry, getting way off topic and i just realised where i'm typing this ;)
00:58<bja>simonrvn: want to continue this on ot?
00:58<kop>simonrvn: My fault. I started it.
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00:59*bja invites kop and simonrvn to continue this discussion on #d-ot
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01:20<user>HGJVHGVGHJVGHJVV
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01:21<sney>exactly.
01:21<Guest1803>M
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01:22<meowcats>ddrescue just saved a friend HDD :)
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01:31<Reverand_Abomb>howdy all quick question...
01:32<Reverand_Abomb>if I want a cronjob to run at 3am would use 3 or 03 in crantab?
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01:37<meowcats>3
01:37<meowcats>03 probably work too though
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01:38<Reverand_Abomb>I'm thinking it's 03 but we shall see. thanks for being the one who answered
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02:13<khugank>woio..
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02:14<sney>woioioioio
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02:38<mdmyr>hi, i just trying ti install joomla in my debian. is someone getting an empty page before installing ¿?
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02:44<kanpuriscool1>hi everyone...iam trying to build myself a Debian Lenny CD iso image through debian-cd...haven't had much luck so far...the CD crashes at the partitioning stage... i get an error saying it could not mount the / partition
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03:49<Doodlez>what is kerneloops and why is it consuming my system resources
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03:50<Doodlez>?
03:50<Doodlez>I had what I though was a problem with cups
03:50<Doodlez>it was writing over and over into my logs X(
03:50<Doodlez>and kernel loops shows up when I run normally
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03:51<Doodlez>there are no issues if I boot into maintenance
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03:51<Doodlez>and my cursor is turning like a program is loading
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04:04<peej>kerneloops collects info if your kernel is oopsing
04:05<peej>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_kernel_oops
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04:21<tuxcrafter>http://debian.pastebin.com/hMwj2Cz8 < mpg123 segfauls in debian unstable, i have no time to invest it so that honor may go to somebody else
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05:02<wing>so i installed pbuilder with sid when i wanted squeeze...can i just pbuilder create with squeeze? any conflict? couldnt find any info anywhere
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05:17<stuckey>Hi all
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05:18<stuckey>I was wondering, is there anyone who builds nvidia drivers for stable? Like, puts up .debs somewhere for people to download?
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05:19<mjt>that'd be illegal i think
05:19<mjt>hmm
05:19<stuckey>Nvidia drivers are in the repos.
05:19<mjt>yah, hence my "hmm"
05:20<mjt>i went on checking
05:20<stuckey>Putting up a few .debs for stable/oldstable would solve the nvidia problem for anyone who could do dpkg -i
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05:21<mjt>well, debian discogrades usage of "random" external repositoriew
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05:21<mjt>s/w$/s/
05:21<mjt>(not that it's any better than using blobs from random oem site :)
05:22<stuckey>Sure. Well I think using a .deb made by a developer would be better than downloading blobs.
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05:23<stuckey>I couldn't think of why no one does this. A lot of users could benefit from something like this.
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05:23<mjt>i used to build debs for fglrx
05:23<mjt>they were on my repo which is externally visible
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05:24<mjt>but stopped doing that about 1.5 years ago, when radeon driver become useable
05:24<stuckey>A website with .debs would be easier I think.
05:24<mjt>that was exactly that - a website with .debs
05:24<mjt>luckly i don't have anything-nvidia here :)
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05:25<stuckey>Is there a list somewhere that one might ask a question like that?
05:25<stuckey>There are nvidia .debs in stable right -- but they're just really old or?
05:25<mjt>stable is old
05:26<mjt>almost whole of it :)
05:26<mjt>you need more recent drivers for more recent kernels
05:26<stuckey>debian/nvidia wiki doesn't say anything about why there aren't any debs
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05:29<mjt>actually there appears to be .debs in -testing
05:30<knoppel>I can't mount ntfs partitions on testing
05:30<stuckey>I don't think you can "install nvidia" drivers from them though. There's nvidia-glx
05:30<stuckey>You need to build from source no matter what. And I don't know why that is.
05:31<mjt>it should match the kernel version for one
05:31<mjt>exactly
05:31<mjt>that's why there are packages like nvidia-kernel-2.6.26-2-amd64
05:31<stuckey>Yeah so that means building everytime insure you have matching versions.
05:31<stuckey>But in the case of stable, the kernel isn't changing.
05:32<mjt>for stable, use drivers from stable
05:32<mjt>like that one
05:32<stuckey>If you do, you may not be able to use the driver if your card is newer (not ancient).
05:33<mjt>i'm not sure more recent drivers support old kernels (and debian stable kernel is old by now)
05:33<stuckey>Is that true
05:34<mjt>in any way, maintaining that stuff requires quite some time and energy. Which are better spent elsewhere, IMHO :)
05:34<mjt>stuckey: again, I'm not *sure*. Not that I know there's no support, -- I don't
05:34<stuckey>mjt: is there a relevent mailing list? I could make a post.
05:35<stuckey>"can't get video drivers to work" is why most people don't like linux when they try it.
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05:35<mjt>try asking in #debian-x perhaps?
05:36<stuckey>didn't know that channel existed, thanks
05:36<knoppel>pleas help me with my ntfs problem
05:36<mjt>there's also debian-devel@lists.d.o, and a lot of other lists listed at lists.debian.org
05:36<stuckey>knoppel: do you need to read or read/write?
05:36<mjt>in both cases it's ntfs-3g
05:37<knoppel>read atm but rw would be used at some point
05:37<knoppel>mjt: I installed it but no joy
05:37<mjt>stuckey: debian-x is a developers channel, not user-support channel. JFYI.
05:39<mjt>stuckey: also, take a look at the pts page - 190.53 are in -unstable since 10 Apr
05:39<mjt>stuckey: and they are installable
05:40<mjt>stuckey: also see #568952 - the maintainers are asking for help.
05:40<stuckey>Yes, of course. You have to build them though. My thought is that facilitating the instalation of nvidia drivers for users, to make it easier somehow, would be a worthwhile effort.
05:40<mjt>build?
05:40<mjt>they are .debs
05:40<stuckey>Yes, you have to build them.
05:40<stuckey>It's source?
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05:40<mjt>kernel drivers will build automatically for you
05:41<mjt>or semi-automatically anyway
05:41<stuckey>With a little know-how, yes
05:41<mjt>when installed from the .deb
05:41<mjt>ok, in any way i'm out of here
05:41<stuckey>ciao
05:41<mjt>;)
05:42<stuckey>knoppel: I don't know for sure. Try #linux on freenode maybe. Lots of people there. Read the manual pages, if you can.
05:42<mjt>man ntfs-3g will help with most that
05:42<mjt>it boils down to: ntfs-3g /dev/sdaNN /mnt/ntfs
05:42<mjt>(with appropriate sdaNN and /mnt/ntfs
05:42<mjt>)
05:43<stuckey>knoppel: You would get more help by posting to debian-user@lists.debian.org
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05:48<stuckey>new icedove in testing...
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06:24<stuckey>!dist-upgrade
06:24<dpkg>dist-upgrade tells apt to also install/remove packages when handling dependencies; security updates may require a dist-upgrade to install (they introduce new packages). Dist-upgrade does not mean changing from stable to testing; in lenny, aptitude calls dist-upgrade "full-upgrade" to remove this confusion. Read man apt-get carefully. Also see <why not dist-upgrade> <sarge->etch> <etch->lenny> <lenny->squeeze> <full-upgrade>
06:26<stuckey>Can anyone tell me how to fix this aptitude error: http://paste.debian.net/71341/
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06:42<Greed>stuckey: type "n" and search the result with the highest score
06:43<Greed>stuckey: what is your sources.list
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06:45<lancelot_of>hi all
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06:46<lancelot_of>how to convert djvu files into pdf in debian?
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06:52<stuckey>Greed: I did 'n' and then 'y' and it downgraded all of the packages to testing.
06:52<stuckey>Greed: can you tell me why those packages were unstable in the first place?
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06:54<Greed>stuckey: past your sources.list and preferences plz
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06:56<stuckey>Greed: http://paste.debian.net/71353/
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06:57<Greed>okay
06:57<Greed>do apt-cache policy and past the output
06:59<stuckey>Greed: http://paste.debian.net/71354/
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07:01<Greed>stuckey: you want only the src of sid repository?
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07:02<stuckey>Greed: i think that's all I need?
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07:03<Greed>okay
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07:05<Greed>,versions gcc
07:05<judd>gcc -- etch: 4:4.1.1-15; lenny: 4:4.3.2-2; squeeze: 4:4.4.2-3; sid: 4:4.4.3-1
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07:14<wing>anyone - i've ran pbuilder create...and then pbuilder --login then i try to pbuilder build and i get pbuilder command not found...any suggestions?
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08:50<lucitu>just installed debian-504-amd64-netinst.iso and can't logon..found out it didn't create the normal user..can't logon as root either
08:51<lucitu>had to chroot and able to adduser but can su to root..any idea how to rescue?
08:51<begonzo>ulimit -n has no effect
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08:52<jordanm[titan]>lucitu: the netisnt does prompt to create a regular user, unless maybe you used preseeding or something
08:52<jordanm[titan]>!ifrp
08:52<dpkg>For GRUB: 1) press 'e' to edit the kernel setting in the grub command line (add 'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) 'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For LILO: 1) 'linux init=/bin/sh' at the LILO boot prompt (hold Shift while booting), steps 2-6 are the same; For yaboot: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at yaboot prompt.
08:52<weasel>lucitu: where are you trying to login?
08:53<lucitu>jordanm[titan]: i know but when rebooting I can't logon
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08:53<lucitu>weasel: reboot after the install
08:53<weasel>that does not answer my question
08:53<jordanm[titan]>lucitu: he probably means a TTY, display manager, ssh, etc
08:54<lucitu>jordanm[titan]: weasel..yes tty
08:54<lucitu>didn't install desktop
08:54<jordanm[titan]>lucitu: have a look ath auth.log
08:55<centyx>lucitu: did you set the root password when you chrooted?
08:55<centyx>lucitu: I had the same problem with the 5.04 netinst cd not setting the root password or adding the default user.
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08:55<centyx>lucitu: had to boot off install cd, rescue, change root password, and add user
08:55<lucitu>centyx: definitely..root and normal user
08:56<lucitu>centyx: ok.. will try that.. but can i use the same iso? it's in a usb
08:57<centyx>lucitu: sure.
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08:57<centyx>lucitu: you want to event install sudo while you're there.
08:57<centyx>lucitu: ^may
08:59<lucitu>centyx: ok..will try..thnks
08:59<centyx>lucitu: np
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09:01<lucitu>centyx: 1 more question..i tried the small cd (180MB) first but why does it keeps asking for cd when I have it on usb?
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09:03<centyx>lucitu: I believe there is a disk image you can write to the usb that should not do that.... I'm not 100% sure though.
09:03<lucitu>thanks centyx jordanm[titan] weasel for the help..brb
09:03<jordanm[titan]>lucitu: did you follow the USB install intructions in the install guide?
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09:04<jordanm[titan]>lucitu: what you described seems to be a common problem with usbs created with unetbootin
09:05<centyx>jordanm[titan]: I had that problem with the 5.04 netinst CD itself, though so it may not be a usb issue
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09:05<centyx>jordanm[titan]: on 3 different machines
09:05<centyx>jordanm[titan]: the problem with root pass and user
09:06<centyx>jordanm[titan]: n/m
09:06<centyx>jordanm[titan]: you're talking about the asking for cd issue
09:07<lucitu>jordanm[titan]: yes it was created with unetbootin
09:07<jordanm[titan]>!usb install
09:07<dpkg>Yes, it is possible to install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch04s03 . To download USB stick images, ask me about <install debian>. https://launchpad.net/win32-image-writer/+download to create the drive from windows BIOS can't boot from USB? Use http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager.html
09:07<jordanm[titan]>lucitu: try the method documented in the install guide
09:08<lucitu>jordanm[titan]: ok..will look..thnks
09:08<jordanm[titan]>!factinfo usb install
09:08<dpkg>usb install -- last modified at Sat Sep 26 06:39:27 2009 by CutMeOwnThroat!n=XXXy@chem014254.chem.northwestern.edu; it has been requested 632 times, last by jordanm[titan], 26s ago.
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09:10<jcdubacq>I have a newbie question about lvm/no lvm. Is the setup with lvm not more fragile in case one disk fails?
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09:11<mbruins>hello, i installed debian lenny. but i really would like to have the latest gtk-gnutella. what is the most 'clean' way to do this?
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09:15<nosfera2>anyone here proficient with php / sql?
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09:16<locklace>jcdubacq: you can restrict lvs to particular pvs at create time if you want to
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09:18<ircipimp>hi
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09:20<jcdubacq>locklace: thanks
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09:52<ircipimp>i want to test installation of a couple of .deb packages built from a single source package using pbuilder. However piuparts tries to install each specified package without taking care of any dependencies. neither installs it apache and other needed packages using apt-get, nor does it take care of my packages depending on each other.
09:52<ircipimp>the test-machine is running ubuntu karmic, but pbuilder should work there as well, shouldn't it?
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09:54<ircipimp>i tried to run piuparts with the pbuilder tarball as well as letting it build its own chroot
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09:55<ircipimp>will i have to put all the packages into a apt repository to test them with piuparts -a?
09:55<jordanm[titan]>!ubuntu
09:55<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
09:56<jordanm[titan]>ircipimp: wrong channel
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09:58<ircipimp>jordanm[titan]: sry. i'm trying to build the packages for debian. Will this work using a ubuntu machine at all? or should i install myself a debian machine?
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09:59<jordanm[titan]>ircipimp: I have no idea, you would have to ask #ubuntu
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09:59<jordanm[titan]>no idea if there pbuilder is capable of building and compiling in a debian release
09:59<jordanm[titan]>s/there/their
10:00<ircipimp>ok, i thought the whole buildsystems were totally compatible. maybe that's not the case then.
10:00<jordanm[titan]>ircipimp: but pbuilder will never install runtime depends on your machine, it sounds like your expecting it to
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10:00<themill>ircipimp: building in a debian chroot should be fine
10:00<jordanm[titan]>ircipimp: no, packages should be built against the systems that they will be running on. You don't want to mix versions of your toolchain
10:01<ircipimp>so if i build some local package which depends on apache2, i can't test it with piuparts, as piuparts will only test packages without dependencies?
10:01<jordanm[titan]>but I recall pbuilder allows a release to be specified, but I have no idea if the ubuntu version allows you to specify a debian release
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10:02<ircipimp>yes, i can tell it to use sid and the debian mirrors
10:02<jordanm[titan]>ircipimp: I am not familar with piuparts
10:02<jordanm[titan]>ircipimp: is the machine you intend to install it on running testing or sid?
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10:03<ircipimp>i'd like to test them and provide them for both
10:03<ircipimp>and upload them to m-d-n finally
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10:04<ircipimp>and it looked appropriate to test them before uploading
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10:06<ircipimp>the build process works without a flaw, but either i'm missing the concept of piuparts or the ubuntu-version is broken
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10:13<sdk>Hrm.. have not had the occasion to delve too far into X11 in some time. I just tried to install compiz and find my xorg.conf is not just empty, but actually non-existant. So, where to start? If I need to pass values to X, how do I do that?
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10:15<seanius>sdk: you can put just the specific stuff you need into it and leave the rest to be automatic
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10:16<seanius>so you probably want something to set the DRI permissions, maybe explicitly set the driver if it's taking the wrong one by default
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10:17<sdk>Hmm.. I'm getting the error xlib: extension "glx" missing on display ":0.0" and Fatal: Root visual is not a GL visual
10:17<sdk>which is why I ws going to try and edit the xorg.
10:19<jordanm[titan]>sdk: probably means the drivers you are using are not capable of 3d effects
10:19<jordanm[titan]>sdk: which driver are you using?
10:19<sdk>trying to remeber how to find out.. one sec.. googling.
10:20<jordanm[titan]>sdk: pastebinit /var/log/Xorg.0.log
10:21<sdk>one sec.. omew
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10:24<sdk>http://pastebin.org/194787
10:24<sdk>There we go...
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10:27<sdk>jordanm[titan]: It's in there http://pastebin.org/194787
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10:33<kebian>centyx: am now in debian..thought changing root passwd would ask for the old one..didn't realized it was that easy. wud that be a sec concern?..thns a lot btw
10:33<kebian>*thnxs
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10:34<gondor>hi
10:35<H1S1der>Hello
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10:35<gondor>how can I wiew the source code of an exe file ?
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10:36<cahoot>ask the owner
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10:39<sdk>Blargh.. having one hell of a time with this.. we need to find a junior SQL developer in the Philadelphia area. Basically, a report writer. If anyone knows anyone, please have them send an email to circfile@gmail.com
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10:39<sdk>Not the Philadelphia area.. the position is in Phila proper,
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10:41<jordanm[titan]>sdk: intel drivers, not sure if those are 3d capable or not
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10:47<stuckey>judd: versions icedove
10:47<judd>icedove -- etch: 1.5.0.13+1.5.0.15b.dfsg1+prepatch080614i-0etch1; etch-security: 1.5.0.13+1.5.0.15b.dfsg1+prepatch080614i-0etch1; lenny: 2.0.0.22-0lenny1; lenny-security: 2.0.0.24-0lenny1; sid: 3.0.4-2; squeeze: 3.0.4-2
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10:49<sdk>jordanm[titan]: Pretty sure they are.. I've run compiz in Ubuntu. (I support Deb because of political and purity reasons)
10:50-!-mode/#debian [+l 422] by debhelper
10:51<jordanm[titan]>sdk: #compiz may be more helpful
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10:57<ircipimp>pbuilder fails with "pbuilder: cdebootstrap failed" (now on lenny) and google reveals several workarounds, but apparently there's no open bug for this. Does this happen from time to time without anyone taking bigger notice? or shall i file or reopen a bug?
10:59<jordanm[titan]>possibly #477416?
10:59<sdk>jordanm[titan]: I'll head there.. thanks man.
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11:01<sdk>Heh, difficult to get suggestions when there *no one* in there. :-D I'll figure it out.. eventually.
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11:01<jordanm[titan]>sdk: the channel might actually be #compiz-fusion
11:01<jordanm[titan]>I have got help in the compiz channel before... its out there somewhere :)
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11:07<sdk>jordanm[titan]: Will poke around.. sorry for the delayed responses.. I'm @ work atm, and is relatively busy day. :)
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11:09<unixabg>Greetings, if setting up software raid1 on a unit with two drives, would you want to make the swap file raid1? I would think no but wanted a second opinion.
11:09<ircipimp>jordanm[titan]: i found that report as well, however the problem seems to have reappeared
11:09<ircipimp>but as this is the first time i'm trying this on lenny i thought it might be supposed to happen or be known
11:10<jordanm[titan]>,versions pbuilder
11:10<judd>pbuilder -- etch: 0.161; etch-backports: 0.179~bpo40+1; lenny: 0.181; sid: 0.196; squeeze: 0.196
11:10<jordanm[titan]>ircipimp: i would just try the one from sid. Its just a shell script so depends will not be an issue
11:10<jordanm[titan]>,depends pbuilder --release sid
11:10<judd>pbuilder -- depends: debootstrap | cdebootstrap, wget, debianutils (>= 1.13.1), coreutils (>= 4.5.8-1), debconf (>= 0.5) | debconf-2.0.
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11:20<jeno>Hi, I'm trying to get wireless working on a Toshiba satellite p200 with an atheros ar5418 pci adapter - is it doable?
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11:21<satanus_>is there a curses version of xman?
11:21<gsimmons>jeno: Yes.
11:21<jeno>how?
11:22<gsimmons>dpkg: tell jeno -about ath9k
11:22<jordanm[titan]>jeno: I would expect it to "just work" with at5k. If you can get the pciid (lspci -nn) that would be of better help
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11:22<seanius>sdk: you might try the philly linux users' group
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11:23<klata>does anybody have problems of slowness on his pentium 3?
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11:25<ircipimp>jordanm[titan]: indeed the version from sid seems to use debootstrap by default
11:25<ircipimp>let's see, it it succeeds
11:26<Noah>hello!
11:26<bja>hmm what does this means "ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host"
11:27<locklace>that the server's fucked
11:27<bja>if so why on earth i can ssh into it from another ip?
11:28<jeno>gsimmons: the readout is 17:00.0 Network controller [0280]: atheros communications inc. ar5418 802.11abgn wireless pci express adapter [168c:0024] (rev01)
11:28<jordanm[titan]>bja: hosts.deny?
11:28<locklace>check the logs
11:28<bja>checking
11:28<jordanm[titan]>,pciid 168c:0024
11:28<judd>[168c:0024] is 'AR5008 Wireless Network Adapter' from 'Atheros Communications Inc.' with kernel module 'ath5k' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=168c:0024 http://wiki.debian.org/ath5k and the out-of-tree 'ath_pci' module.
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11:28<jordanm[titan]>jeno: should just work
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11:29<centyx>bja: i had that issue once... was something to do with ssh-agent and keys.. can't remember exactly, are you using ssh-agent?
11:30<gsimmons>jeno: It's actually a device supported by ath9k, the PCI ID is incorrectly included in 2.6.26's ath5k driver.
11:30<Noah>I'm using lenny 5.0.3 - attempting to setup SFTP with chrooted access - everything is working correctly but my users MUST be able to write to their home directory or be forced into a subfolder for business reasons - Can anyone help with this? Can I force them into a subdirectory (e.g. pub)?
11:30<gsimmons>judd: pciid 168c:0024 --release squeeze
11:30<judd>[168c:0024] is 'AR5008 Wireless Network Adapter' from 'Atheros Communications Inc.' with kernel module 'ath9k' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=168c:0024 http://wiki.debian.org/ath9k and the out-of-tree 'ath_pci' module.
11:30<bja>centyx: no, it is password authenticated
11:30<zumbi>bja: have you tried -vv
11:30<jeno>titan: it just does not work, i'm running the 2.6.26-2 kernel
11:30<bja>zumbi: no i will comply
11:30<themill>bja: usually either hosts.deny (or not in hosts.allow). This can either be manual or because of "denyhosts" running
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11:34<jeno>gsimmons: i tried to install 2.6.32 from backports but which supposedly includes ath9k but the install fails due to firmware drivers like r8169 not being included - how can I get ath9k installed?
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11:35<jordanm[titan]>jeno: pastebin the output from the failure to install .32 from backports
11:35<themill>is it really a "failure"?
11:35<gsimmons>jeno: That message is an indication that firmware _might_ be required by the r8169 driver. It isn't an error.
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11:36<gsimmons>(and unless it's some very new RTL8168D device, you don't need it anyway)
11:36<jeno>gsimmons: .32 fails to install
11:37<gsimmons>jeno: Please pastebin the error as requested ; /msg dpkg paste
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11:40<jeno>gsimmons & titan: appreciate your help but I need to log of now. I will try it again tomorrow
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11:57<Noah>woohoo
11:57<Noah>figured out my problem! :)
11:58<Noah>the power of frustration
11:59<iiv>Hello all. How do I use debian iso image on the flash drive when I have booted system via PXE. The problem is that debian installer if it loaded by PXELINUX has no menu item to choose installation image, it only allow me to use network repo. but I can't without PPPoE client module.
11:59<iiv>So is there a way either to make installer to use iso image on the flash or at least load PPPoE module to setup Internet connection.
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12:00<jordanm[titan]>!kmuto
12:00<dpkg>For Debian Lenny installers with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ . The <bnx2> and <bnx2x> firmware files for Linux 2.6.32 are included in 0116 images.
12:00<chl>is there any way to download rstp file from linux?
12:00<jordanm[titan]>iiv: I recall some of the kmuto installers above to have additional networking support. I would check for PPPoE
12:00<chl>long time ago it seems mencode (?) can do that.
12:01<jordanm[titan]>but I seem to recall the standard installer do it
12:01<chl>but i search using aptitude and online google. seems there is no mencode
12:01<iiv>Files for TFTPD directory were taken from this archive: http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/netboot.tar.gz , iso image is debian-504-i386-netinst.iso
12:02<themill>chl: I believe mplayer can do that; mencoder is debian-multimedia if you want to look there, /msg dpkg dmm
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12:05<chl>themill: thanks. But I try e.g. mplayer -noframedrop -dumpfile out.rm -dumpstream rstp://url/to/radio.ram. it replies http://pastebin.com/HKJqhzJU
12:05<chl>if rstop string quoted with double quote. it just says `Exiting... (End of file)'
12:08<iiv>jordanm[titan]: When I boot USB flash installer it scans for iso on all drives but netboot (pxe) version doesn't
12:08<themill>chl: I think I've only ever used it with a .ra file not a .ram (normally, wget http://..../foo.ram and extract the contents of that first then give it to mplayer.
12:08<themill>chl: I also have mplayer from dmm rather than debian, so that can make a difference
12:09<chl>i check the format of ram. looks like they are different.
12:09<chl>look like i have to find an alternative way to get it. thanks for help. : )
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12:10<tom1>hi everyone :)
12:11<tom1>Whats the difference between a Debian Blend and a CDD?
12:12<themill>tom1: new name and old name for the same thing
12:12<themill>!blend
12:12<dpkg>[cdd] Debian Pure Blend (aka Blend, formerly Custom Debian Distribution) is a subset of Debian configured to support a particular target group out-of-the-box. Not to be confused with distributions <based on Debian>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianPureBlends #debian-custom on irc.oftc.net.
12:12<tom1>themil,dpkg: thanks
12:13<tom1>so Ubuntu would be a distributions whereas Debian-Edu is a Debian pure blend
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12:14<themill>tom1: yeah. Debian-Edu/Skolelinux started out as separate things but are now Blends.
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12:14<tom1>if i were to try and pack in all the stuff i regularly use (say eclipse,Urbanterror(FPS) etc) into a DVD with a custom theme...that would mean iam making a blend
12:15<bja>there is a way to look at all the packcages installed on a system?
12:15<chl>that means you make an tom1-distribution : p
12:16<tom1>bja: that would be dpkg -l
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12:16<tom1>sorry if this sounds dumb but what makes a distribution different from a blend? a separate repository? or maybe some custom applications ( like ubuntu's got ubiquity and a whole lot of other stuff)
12:17<tom1>chl:hehe
12:17<bja>tom1: thx
12:17<chl>tom1: i am just kidding. don't take it too serious : p
12:17<gsimmons>iiv: Provided you can access a Debian mirror over the network, you can load the iso-scan installer component, in order to access and use a local installer ISO image. The ppp-udeb component can also be requested during this time.
12:17<tom1>bja: np, if you have GNOME you could try using synaptic(System>Administration>Synaptic)
12:18<jordanm[titan]>tom1: based on debian distro add their own software, modify existing pacakges, etc
12:18<chl>make your own distribution is cool. at least from my viewpoint.
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12:18<themill>tom1: If you're pulling in packages that aren't in debian, then it's no longer a Blend really.
12:19<bja>tom1: thx, i'll stick with dpkg apt combo for this project ;P
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12:20<iiv>gsimmons: booted via PXE I found no option in main menu to load installer components
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12:22<tom1>would someone here happen to have any idea about building debian cds? i've trying to get debian-cd to work, but my ISOs always end up missing some udeb or the other
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12:23<tom1>i know there exists #debian-boot , but it really quite there
12:23<tom1>its#
12:23<iiv>gsimmons: Also I thought PXELINUX might continue to boot from flash but I'm not sure if this possible.
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12:24<tom1>mansi: you the one who was looking for help with Squid proxy the other day?
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12:25<mansi>hello friends....i want rsync to delete unchanged file from the destination directory, is it possibel?
12:25<mansi>tom1> yeah
12:25<mansi>that seems somewhat solved now
12:25<mansi>:)
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12:25<jordanm[titan]>mansi: so you basically want rsync to a differential backup instead of incremental?
12:26<mansi>actually i donno difference between two..anyway i want only changed files in the backup directory
12:26<mansi>unchanged files should not be backed
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12:26<gsimmons>iiv: Note that with use of the netboot installation method, you are required to download installer components. This requires network access to a local/remote Debian mirror.
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12:27<jordanm[titan]>mansi: that is the default.. but different from your initial question
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12:28<themill>mansi: I'm not sure what you're planning to do with the backups, but perhaps rsnapshot is what you're really after. /msg dpkg rsnapshot
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12:28<mansi>i mean, everyday in the backup directory, when i do ls, only changed files should present there...
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12:28<mansi>once a week full bakup will be done
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12:29<bja>jordanm[titan], themill, zumbi, centyx, locklace : The owner of the server installed the denyhosts package. It automagically added the ip i am running with. I temporarily disabled it until i research it more deeply. Thx for your help and time
12:29<jordanm[titan]>mansi: why spend the time to backup everything once a week when essentially only the changes need to be backed up?
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12:29<themill>bja: don't take 3 attempts to get your password right next time :)
12:30<bja>themill: ;P
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12:31<mansi>I mean, every weeken, one directory should cintain all files...but all other days, there will be directory with files whic were changed last day
12:31<jordanm[titan]>mansi: I don't understand why the fresh backup must include changes only... full backup -> hard link full backup to new dir -> backup again. You will then have two days of backups and it will only use up disk space in the size of the initial backup + changes
12:31<mansi>just need to take note of, which all fiels are modified each day
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12:31<iiv>gsimmons: So there is no way for me to load installer components except creating local repo since I need PPPoE to access internet repository?
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12:32<mansi>Just want to take note, which all files are modified each day
12:32<bja>jordanm[titan]: isn't that called incremental backup?
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12:32<jordanm[titan]>bja: always fun to see my total guess come out correct :)
12:32<themill>mansi: if that's all, you could just use find -mtime to get the file list
12:32<jordanm[titan]>bja: yes, it is
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12:33<mansi>okay, actually the i need to take backup of windows folder, mounted with smbfs
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12:33<bja>jordanm[titan]: interesting, any links to further research it?
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12:33<gsimmons>iiv: I'm wondering why you're using the netboot method in the first place, when the netinst or hd-media methods are likely more appropriate. They have your desired d-i components within.
12:34<chl>generally what is the best practice to do backup data? using e.g tar zcvf /path/to/backup/dir.tar.gz /src/folder ? for any tool is recommended?
12:34<jordanm[titan]>bja: let me see if I can find it
12:34<bja>thx
12:35<themill>chl: rsnapshot is my personal favourite
12:35<jordanm[titan]>bja: this is an updated article of the one I initially read: http://www.sanitarium.net/golug/rsync_backups_2010.html
12:36<iiv>gsimmons: netboot method is the only available to me. And my pc BIOS cant boot from flash drive
12:36<bja>jordanm[titan]: thx looking into it now
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12:37<tele19>jjj
12:37<tele19>mmmmmmmmmmmmmm
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12:38<gsimmons>iiv: You can use the PLoP Boot Manager (http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager.html) to work around this problem, allowing use of the hd-media (USB) installation method.
12:38<mansi>hey friends, my battery draining....see u soon :)
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12:40<chl>themill: that looks like a great tool. user can restore files who owns them without root getting involved.
12:41<chl>thanks.
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12:41<themill>chl: with a loopback nfs mount too, yes.
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12:43<nathan>hi, i have add the lenny backports in my source.list but now, when i do an "aptitude update", i get an error like : http://pastebin.com/7KmEtXUM. I have search the internet but i did not find a way to solve it.
12:44<nathan>i precise i use debian lenny
12:44<themill>!show sources.list nathan
12:44<dpkg>nathan: Please pastebin the contents of your /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*.list. The easiest way to do this is to pastebin the output of: find /etc/apt/ -name '*.list' -printf "\n%p:\n" -exec cat {} \;
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12:46<iiv>gsimmons: well, i'll try it, but please tell if I might mount flash manually so netboot debian installer could use it or that isn't possible at all
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12:47<nathan>my sources.list : http://pastebin.com/ZNau5LiK and my preferences file : http://pastebin.com/zqG2yWW6
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12:49<themill>nathan: there is no need for you to have squeeze, sid and experimental in your sources.list. Remove them and all will be well.
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12:50<gsimmons>iiv: No, not without the d-i components.
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12:53<nathan>themill, ok thanks
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13:14<lorenzo>ubuntu-it-chat
13:14<lorenzo>#ubuntu-it-chat
13:14<frag>hi everybody. I think this is a bug in the package system. My lenny is "brand new" installed 5 min ago. So sources.list untouched and tried to install libc6-dev.
13:15<frag>The following packages have unmet dependencies:
13:15<frag> libc6-dev: Depends: libc6 (= 2.7-18lenny1) but 2.7-18lenny2 is to be installed
13:15<frag>E: Broken packages
13:15<lorenzo>#ubuntu-it
13:15<noflash>lorenzo, go away
13:15<themill>lorenzo: you want irc.freenode.net
13:15<themill>frag: run an "aptitude update; aptitude safe-upgrade"
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13:16<lorenzo>#ubuntu-it
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13:16<frag>themill: nothing changed
13:17<themill>frag: can you pastebin the output of "aptitude update; apt-cache policy; apt-cache policy libc6 libc6-dev" for me? /msg dpkg paste
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13:18<themill>frag: please keep it in the channel so that when I wander off to cook dinner, others will help. Use paste.debian.net for your output
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13:19<frag>allright
13:19<frag>themill: http://paste.debian.net/71414/
13:20<themill>frag: you need to include a line for security updates in your sources.list.
13:20<themill>dpkg: tell frag about lenny security
13:20<frag>themill: you mean deb-src http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main
13:21<themill>frag: "deb" not "deb-src"
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13:21<frag>themill: thanks it worked :)
13:22<themill>np
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14:12<centyx>I've been using epdfview since I switched to squeeze, but I just discovered evince-gtk. It appears to have better copy and paste supper and doesn't require the gnome deps ( gconf/gnome-keyring ) like normal evince.
14:21<simonrvn>that's why i use it. no gnome, gtk, and does some things pretty decently, including djvu
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14:43<danutz>hello I have a question,how do I find out what servers(ftp,apache) I have installed and how the hell I remove apache completly..I tried doing it with apt-get remove apache2 but everytime I set it up again is keeping the old settings..some help please?
14:44<skyegg>#apt-get remove --purge apache2? or maybe #dpkg -P apache2?
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14:45<sney>yeah, purge
14:45<danutz>ok let me try
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14:55<danutz>ok guys..is not working
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14:55<danutz>...
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14:56<sney>danutz: what did you try, and what happened
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14:57<danutz>well I tried apt-get remove --purge apache2
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14:57<danutz>it was removed but when it was installed again it has his old settings
14:57<danutz>not the defaults one
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15:00<sney>danutz: well, you can aptitute remove apache2, then rm -rf /etc/apache2
15:00<danutz>ok let me try
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15:01<themill>itym apache2.2-common
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15:02<sney>wouldn't removing the apache2 package also remove -common etc as autoremoves?
15:03<sney>though I guess if he's using apt-get it might not do it right away
15:04<themill>it also wouldn't restore the configs unless you either used "purge" or /msg dpkg confmiss
15:04<sney>he says he tried purge
15:05<themill>wrong package though
15:05<danutz>well..it got removed but when it`s installed again is not working at all
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15:05<thesss__> /server tiger.irc.gr
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15:07<danutz>well?
15:08<themill>!confmiss
15:08<dpkg>The reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename>; or using aptitude, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall <packagename>;
15:09<danutz>I tried already and is not working
15:09<themill>aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall ~napache~i
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15:21<danutz>still not working
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15:23<adb>danutz, better, paste the error , and your your command
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15:23<danutz>well I just want apache2 completly removed and if I install it again just to work with the default settings
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15:36<adb>danutz, try /j #debian-ro
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15:55<AlabamaHit>Hi, I'm can't seem to get a vidoe driver installed. I'm running 5.04. I used the small install. (Nest or something like that lol).. Now I can't get my vidoe right.
15:55<adb>!xorg
15:55<dpkg>X.Org X11, the reference implementation of the X Window System, forked from XFree86 4.4RC2. The current release is X11R7.5. To install, ask me about <install x>. Ask me about <drxx> to reconfigure. To remove, ask about <remove x>. http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg http://www.x.org/wiki/FAQ #xorg on irc.freenode.net.
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15:56<sney>AlabamaHit: did you chose the desktop environment task when you installed?
15:56<AlabamaHit>sney: I'm running gnome.
15:56<sney>ok. see adb, this is why we ask first, shoot bots later ^^
15:56<sney>AlabamaHit: what video card do you have?
15:57<AlabamaHit>sney: Nvidia GTS 250
15:57<AlabamaHit>I tried to install the driver from the nvidia site but just keep getting different errrors after each other.
15:57<sney>yes, the nvidia installer doesn't work very well on debian. we have a different way of doing it.
15:58<sney>http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers explains it pretty well, if you have any questions or aren't sure about something ask away
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15:58<AlabamaHit>Thank you for the link. I'm checking that out right now.
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16:02<sney>actually AlabamaHit let me save you some trouble, it looks like your video card is too new for the nvidia drivers in 5.0 (stable)... how do you feel about an upgrade
16:02<AlabamaHit>Upgrade? I thought that 5.04 was the latest :)
16:03<AlabamaHit>I don't mind upgrading.
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16:04<sney>Debian 5 is the latest stable. Debian comes in 3 flavors: stable, testing, and unstable. testing is generally fine for normal usage, there are some bugs but it's more stable than a lot of other peoples' full releases
16:05<AlabamaHit>Cool, I don't mind upgrading.
16:05<sney>!lenny->squeeze
16:05<sney>hmm
16:05<sney>do this /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze
16:05<sney>those are the instructions, if you're not sure about anything ask away
16:06<AlabamaHit>So, i'm moving from leeny to squeeze
16:06<sney>right
16:06<geoff_>hey im new to linux, i was wondering, is jolicloud based off of debian?
16:06<sney>geoff_: no idea, but even if it is it's not supported here
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16:06<geoff_>oh ok
16:07<Pitxyoki>!lenny->squeeze
16:07<AlabamaHit>sney: Ok, kinda a stupid question but it says this " Remove any APT source specific to stable" does that mean to uncheck the stables in the "Software Sources".? Just want to make sure I'm understanding that right.
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16:08<sney>AlabamaHit: it's best to just do it with a text editor. open a root terminal and do 'nano /etc/apt/sources.list'
16:08<Pitxyoki>!tell Pitxyoki about squeeze udev
16:08<AlabamaHit>k
16:10<sney>Pitxyoki: you can also /msg dpkg
16:10<bja>!tell Pitxyoki about selftell
16:10<Pitxyoki>Yep, I was just checking if this worked.
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16:18<Guest1909>hello, can someone help me installing debian over pcmcia?
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16:19<sney>Guest1909: over pcmcia? as in a cardbus network card? it should just work, depending on the card
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16:21<Guest1909>the installer (netinst) tells me that he can't recognize my network card and shows me a list of eth, wlan and pcmcia cards, but no i82365 (mine) module
16:21<AlabamaHit>sney: It is working on the upgrade
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16:24<sney>AlabamaHit: great, when it's done ask dpkg about <nvidia squeeze>
16:25<AlabamaHit>Guest1909: when I did my install (netinst) it asked me what et to use also. I have 2 ethernet ports on my motherboard. So i had to choose the right one. You might just have to choose the right one.
16:25<AlabamaHit>sney: will I need to reboot after it is all done Or does that matter?
16:25<Guest1909>AlabamaHit: actually the installer recognizes no cards. I have no choises
16:26<sney>AlabamaHit: you need to reboot every time you install a new kernel, otherwise no
16:26<AlabamaHit>sney: ah, ok, So I won't have to, I don't think it is insatlling a new kernel
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16:27<sney>if you followed dpkg's instructions you did install a new kernel, that's the linux-image-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,'` thing
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16:27<Guest1909>sney: I found this guide but it's Sarge, not Lenny http://www.debian.org/releases/3.0/i386/ch-install-system.en.html
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16:28<sney>sarge is way outdated so that wouldn't apply anymore
16:30<Guest1909>sney: I see, but do you have any idea? I found a tutorial for gentoo, but I never worked with g and its a "new" laptop, in gentoo I should know what modules to install
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16:31<AlabamaHit>sney: i did a different way. http://www.go2linux.org/how-to-upgrade-from-debian-lenny-to-squeeze except on the last command i used aptutide install safe-upgrade && aptitude install full-upgrade
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16:31<sney>AlabamaHit: those instructions are outdated, but as long as you didn't reboot yet it's still recoverable
16:32<AlabamaHit>i have not rebooted
16:32<AlabamaHit>it is still doing that last command
16:33<sney>are you on i686 or amd64?
16:33<AlabamaHit>64bit
16:33<sney>then when it finishes what it's doing, do aptitude install linux-image-2.6.32-amd64
16:33<sney>err
16:33<sney>linux-image-2.6.32-3-amd64
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16:34<AlabamaHit>thats what messed me up with the command dpkg gave me error, So i looked on internet lol
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16:34<sney>you should have asked, but it's ok
16:35<AlabamaHit>linux-image-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,'` <-- Is taht the actual command? or does that supposed to be chagned to the number?
16:35<AlabamaHit>like
16:35<sney>sed is supposed to turn that into linux-image-2.6-amd64 for you
16:35<AlabamaHit>oh so that is actual command.
16:36<sney>yeah, I don't think it makes things any easier, but people put whatever they want into the dpkg responses
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16:37<danutz>how do I find out what servers do I have installed?
16:37<danutz>i mean,apache,ftp server..everything
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16:38<sney>danutz: if you do 'aptitude search "~i"' it will show a list of everything you have installed
16:38<danutz>ok
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16:46<Guest1909>mmh misteriously the card now is working. ^^ "tutto è bene quel che finisce bene"
16:46<Guest1909>good night (GMT+1)
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16:51<AlabamaHit>sney: I broke it lol
16:51<sney>AlabamaHit: :(
16:52<sney>what happened
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16:52<AlabamaHit>well after i did all i did. I tried taht installed kernel command you gave me, But it wouldn't work (I think lack of sourse list??)
16:52<AlabamaHit>So I went back to dpkg to try theirs same thing nothing worked.
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16:53<AlabamaHit>So my only option was to reboot to see if it would come back. And now it don't boot the gnome, only goes into command prompt
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16:53<AlabamaHit>I tried running /ect/init.d/gdm start to start gnome but...it don't do anything lol
16:54<sney>heh, I'm sure you just missed something, could be worse because at least it boots
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16:54<sney>try startx to get X running
16:54<Compaq_Proprietario>ciao a tutti
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16:54<sney>!it
16:54<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
16:54<Compaq_Proprietario>grazie
16:54<AlabamaHit>startx ?
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16:55<AlabamaHit>Is that all the command?
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16:56<sney>AlabamaHit: yep
16:57<AlabamaHit>ok i will try that first. If that don't work i iwll just use the netinst of squeeze and start over :)
16:57<AlabamaHit>brb
16:57<sney>ok
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17:00<AlBaTrOs>is the any romanian support online?
17:00<sney>!ro
17:01<sney>I thought there was
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17:01<AlBaTrOs>I did too
17:01<adb> try /j #debian-ro
17:01<sney>#debian-ro 4 Coordonarea traducerilor în română|git clone ssh://mob@repo.or.cz/srv/git/debian-ro-repo.git && git checkout -t -b mob origin/mob|Coordonarea traducerilor Românești în Debian|Discuții ale debianiștilor români
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17:01<sney>that looks like romanian to me
17:01<AlBaTrOs>i already am there
17:02<sney>maybe there is one on freenode?
17:02<adb>it is ..
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17:12<AlabamaHit>sney: nope I broke it lol
17:13<AlabamaHit>http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ <--- The fist netinst amd54 would be the squeeze right?
17:13<AlabamaHit>amd64*
17:13<sney>yep
17:14<sney>you could fix it, but since it's a fresh install just doing it over is probably for the best
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17:14<AlabamaHit>yeah, i just installed, so really no hard feelings about just starting it over.
17:14<sney>plus it's a learning experience! lol
17:15<AlabamaHit>:)
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17:15<AlabamaHit>I'm used to running ubuntu or Mint.... so i figured it was about time to move on and try the source of them both. :)
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17:17<sney>yeah, that's where a lot of our new users come from ... that or they got fed up with ubuntu
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17:18<AlabamaHit>i can tell this already that debian install i just had was 10 times faster than either of those.
17:18<AlabamaHit>not saying they are slow though...my computer is pretty fast..so neither was slow, but debian seems alot more repsonsive.
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17:18<sney>and that's with gnome... a lot of debian users don't use gnome because of how much it slows things down
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17:19<AlabamaHit>lol
17:19<AlabamaHit>I didn't knopw I could change it from gnome, i thought that was default....
17:19<sney>your debian install is your own, it doesn't automatically come with a lot of crap you didn't want and it doesn't force you to use it in a specific way
17:20<sney>gnome is the default, but there are lots of options. I use xfce4 personally, some people like kde, there's a bunch of others
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17:30<AlabamaHit>download finally done lol, burning new disc now
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17:59<Oak>Hey I was just wondering if my wireless card would work right away with Debian. I have a d-link wireless n DWA-552 (Xtreme n Desktop adaptor).
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18:01<Oak>or will I need non-free drivers?
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18:08<ODDity>Oak, I dare say it wont work out of the box, but with some configuring you'l be able to get it going
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18:09<ODDity>Oak, I'd say you'd have to follow a guide such as this one, http://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=10209
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18:10<Oak>ODDity: Hmm alright, thanks
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18:11<sney>ODDity: should work out of the box if you install squeeze/testing
18:11<sney>or rather Oak
18:12<sney>it uses the ath9k driver, which is present in squeeze by default and requires no extra firmware
18:12<Oak>sney: Should I do that then? Is it stable enough as of now?
18:12<sney>it's stable enough for daily use. I have it on my netbook.
18:12<Oak>Ok that's good
18:12<sney>there are some bugs but nothing major.
18:13<ODDity>yeah I'm running it too now
18:13<ODDity>though I can't say it's done much for my wireless card
18:13<Oak>Does the regular install come with gnome by default?
18:13<ODDity>yes
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18:14<sney>as long as you select 'desktop environment'
18:14<Oak>hmm, that's fine I guess
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18:14<Oak>gnome 2.30, by any chance?
18:14<sney>you can use kde or xfce or something else if you want, there are many ways to switch or not even install gnome by default
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18:14<sney>,versions gnome
18:14<judd>gnome -- etch: 1:2.14.3.6; lenny: 1:2.22.2~5; sid: 1:2.28+7; squeeze: 1:2.28+7
18:14<sney>looks like 2.28
18:15<Oak>Hah, that's a neat irc function
18:15<Oak>Ubuntu is really bloated right?
18:15<sney>yeah, #debian would be lost without our bots
18:15<ODDity>version 2.28.2
18:15<sney>ubuntu can be bloated but I find that it's inflexible, they have one thing that they want you to do and if you want to do it a different way you have a fight on your hands
18:16<sney>whereas debian leaves it under your control
18:16<sney>you have to understand your system better to get the most out of debian, but I don't think that's a bad thing.
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18:17<Oak>That's good, because I want to go that path.
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18:19<Oak>I only need CD-1 correct? The rest are just on offline repository, if I remember correctly.
18:19<sney>exactly
18:19<sney>in fact you only really need the netinst
18:19<Oak>I know, but I don't trust myself with a text installer on my main machine just yet. Heh.
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18:20<themill>Oak: the installer is the same on each cd
18:20<sney>it's just arrow keys instead of a mouse, it still has menus, but suit yourself
18:20<sney>the testing graphical installer was iffy, I thought... I am probably wrong ^^
18:21<ODDity>sney, I didn't get a mouse driven GUI with the CD1 squeeze installer
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18:21<sney>I think it's in the boot options but it's not the default, but anyway it's the same menus just a different look
18:22<ODDity>yeah
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18:22<Oak>I can't seem to find the netinstall for squeeze
18:22<sney>www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer
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18:23<Oak>You guys are on top of everything
18:23<ODDity>i just noticed the network applet hasn't been configured here properly..
18:23<Oak>for what?
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18:24<ODDity>oh nvm.. it's just me probably
18:24<sney>network-manager?
18:24<ODDity>the one in the top of the gnome panel
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18:25<ODDity>i got wired device not managed and wireless disconnected
18:25<ODDity>I set my IP during the install though
18:26<ODDity>I would have expected the MAC address to be filled out in there, which is what's confusing me
18:26<sney>if you have your wired device set up in /etc/network/interfaces, then network-manager is supposed to ignore that
18:26<Oak>Is there a debian-oftopic?
18:26<Oak>nevermind
18:27<ODDity>sney, yeah that is all filled out
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18:29<ODDity>it appears to have recognised my wireless card - though the interface isn't "up" ..
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18:30<AlabamaHit>sney, you still around?
18:30<sney>yep
18:31<AlabamaHit>Got squeeze installed. It seems half right on my vidoe lol. But really i think the driver is good, just the config. I have dual monitor and don't know how to change that...But the driver seems to be working by default perfectly.
18:31<sney>dual monitor should work fine right away, you should only need to add panels and things
18:32<AlabamaHit>Ah, I see it now.
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18:32<matu>hi
18:33<matu>it is really strange, since yesterday i did not have any sound using debian stable on my laptop
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18:34<sney>did you do an update?
18:34<matu>then i reinstalled using alsaconf and alsamixer but i still dont have any sound...
18:34<sney>is anything muted in alsamixer?
18:34<matu>i dont know sney i forgot >_<
18:34<matu>no, nothing is muted
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18:35<matu>:( i cant remember if i did an update
18:35<sney>matu: as root, try aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav
18:36<matu>nothing...
18:36<matu>not a sound
18:36<matu>just a short silent
18:36<matu>silence
18:36<sney>speakers good?
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18:37<matu>when performing an alsaconf i have a strange sound saying my soundcard is configurated
18:37<AlabamaHit>sney, http://i40.tinypic.com/ifwt4z.jpg <-- I get that error. Odd right?
18:38<matu>yes they are good sney
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18:38<matu>oh amixer: Mixer attach default error: No such file or directory
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18:40<sney>matu: anything for amixer info? or still same error
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18:40<matu>Card default 'ICH6'/'Intel ICH6 with STAC9752,53 at irq 16'
18:40<matu> Mixer name : 'SigmaTel STAC9752,53'
18:40<matu> Components : 'AC97a:83847652'
18:40<matu> Controls : 30
18:40<matu> Simple ctrls : 20
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18:40<matu>sorry...
18:41<matu>no error using amixer info
18:41<sney>ook
18:41<sney>AlabamaHit: did you install drivers from nvidia.com or is that just the default?
18:41<AlabamaHit>sney, This is just the default. I haven't installed anything but xchat
18:41<AlabamaHit>:)
18:42<matu>i remember that it was working without rebooting my computer, after i rebooted i was unable to get a sound through my speaker
18:42<sney>ok, don't get the drivers from nvidia.com, but once you install them from debian it should work fine. do /msg dpkg nvidia squeeze
18:42<sney>and if you have any questions ask away
18:43<AlabamaHit>sney, ok, thanks for all this help
18:43<sney>no problem, just try not trusting random internet articles this time ;)
18:44<matu>i think the problem is about an update because since i reinstalled it does not work either
18:44<AlabamaHit>:)
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18:45<matu>i just installed xchat lxde alsa-utils stardict gossip vlc and mplayer, starting without an graphical interface
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18:45<matu>-n
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18:46<sney>matu, check bugs.debian.org, there might be something there for you
18:46<matu>ok
18:46<matu>do you want me to post a bug report ?
18:47<sney>first see if anyone else did already, that's a pretty common sound device
18:47<matu>"alsa" > "search button" > An error occurred. Error was: Invalid bug number
18:47<matu>lol
18:47<matu>erf sorry
18:47<matu>all my fault
18:48<sney>heh, I knew you'd find it
18:48<sney>that error you got about no mixer device is probably what you should look for
18:48<matu>ok
18:49<AlabamaHit>sney, When I installed squeeze. It did install different kernels.. I got a 'trunk' and what i would consider a normal one... I'm using the normal not the trunk. Do you know what that trunk is?
18:50<sney>the 2.6.32-trunk kernel was the standard testing kernel for a while, but it's been upgraded a couple times, I don't know why it would install that
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18:53<AlabamaHit>I got an error. "Buiild of pacage nvidia-kernel-source failed!" I can continue without it though.
18:53<sney>did you set up the testing-unstable mix like dpkg told you?
18:54<AlabamaHit>when i open the file "/etc/apt/apt.conf" there is nothign there.
18:55<ODDity>it's /etc/apt/sources.list I think you want
18:55<sney>no
18:55<gpm>all, totem (gstreamer) will not play any media. it opens fine, no errors, but it never actually starts to play the file, it is set to play (not pause) and just sits there. how can i make it start playing, or at least figure out what the problem is?
18:55<sney>AlabamaHit: do your lines in sources.list say squeeze or testing?
18:55<wing>anyone - i run pbuilder --login (as root), it takes me into the shell and then i try pbuilder build <whatever> and it returns "-bash: command not found" and im logged in as root..any suggests?
18:55<AlabamaHit>sney, let me look...cuase it said that file not the sources lol
18:56<sney>AlabamaHit: I know, but they're related, bear with me
18:56<AlabamaHit>squeeze
18:56<sney>ok, then apt.conf should say APT::Default-Release "squeeze";
18:56<sney>so put that in ther
18:56<AlabamaHit>just sec. I'll screen shot what i'm getting
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18:56<AlabamaHit>oh wait i put that in there?
18:56<sney>yes
18:57<gpm>i can even seek the file and still frames come up
18:57<sney>gpm: weird, any bug reports for totem?
18:58<gpm>sney: not in totem-gstreamer, i hesitate to report for fear of bugging dds with something that is actually user error
18:59<AlabamaHit>sney, http://i43.tinypic.com/2lnepkx.jpg <-- Like that? Or does it supposed to have the echo ' ' around it?
18:59<sney>gpm: heh, I know the feeling.. try another media player like xine or vlc to narrow the problem down to totem
18:59<sney>AlabamaHit: perfect
19:00<gpm>sney: done mplayer's totally cool
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19:00<matu>i did not find a bug report about my problem
19:00<gpm>maybe i should try playing audio in rhythmbox to be sure it is totem specifically and not gstreamer
19:00<sney>gpm: good idea
19:02<sney>matu: sorry, I'm out of ideas. try asking in here in a few hours when some other useful people are around
19:02<matu>ok
19:03<matu>cant we know what the upgrade was during the last few days ?
19:03<matu>s/was/were
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19:04<gpm>sney: ok it is gstreamer
19:04<gpm>sney: but i've got about 20 different plugins
19:04<sney>gpm: sounds like time for trial and error
19:05<AlabamaHit>sney, I'm stuck here before i mess up gain. I don't understand what this means "edit sources.list, copy your non-security testing lines and change one set to sid".
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19:06<AlabamaHit>sney, http://alabamahit.pastebin.com/dj4X5irj <-- My sources.list reason I'm confussed is I don't see a non-security line.
19:06<sney>AlabamaHit: that means copy your line that says 'deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian squeeze main' or similar, then paste it and change where it says 'squeeze' to 'sid'
19:06<sney>the non-security lines are the ones that don't say security.debian.org
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19:06<matu>:/
19:06<AlabamaHit>ah
19:06<AlabamaHit>Thanks
19:07<gpm>sney: did you ever figure out how to get a guest account?
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19:09<sney>gpm: it looks like the ubuntu one depends on apparmor, which is only available in ubuntu. my current idea to implement it would be to mount a read-only filesystem as a named guest account's /home, and then tweak the ubuntu package's scripts to work around that instead
19:09<rozewskic>hey, does anyone have any suggestions on lightweight window managers? I just installed debian on an iMac G3 and need something that will work well in 128MB RAM.
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19:09<sney>rozewskic: windowmaker is a sure bet, it's tiny.
19:09<gpm>sney: yuck. i wonder if/when apparmor will be packaged for debian
19:09<sney>nice vintage look too
19:10<sney>gpm: annoyingly, apparmor is built into the kernel, so it's not just a matter of packaging software.
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19:10<gpm>sney: double yuck!
19:10<rozewskic>sney: thanks for the suggestions
19:10<Oak>rozewskic: Do you like tiling window managers?
19:11<rozewskic>sney: I'm using fluxbox right now. It is a lot of work to get it how I want it... icons on a desktop, etc.
19:11<rozewskic>Oak: Not quite sure what you mean by that
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19:12<Oak>rozewskic: You may not like it, if you haven't tried it. Awesome WM is really low resource. It basically has no window decorations and you can't (really) edit the window size.
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19:13<sney>sawfish is another minimal option, iirc it does have a 'desktop' with icons,
19:13<rozewskic>how do you guys feel about fluxbox?
19:13<rozewskic>that's what I'm using right now
19:13<AlabamaHit>sney, sorry to keep bothering you on every step.... but this is my new sources (with the edit) http://alabamahit.pastebin.com/RCyjAE4r But when i run the command it tells me to , to install foo. "apt-get -t sid install foo" I get error saying "E: Couldn't find package foo." I did try aptitude and it didn't work either.... Did i screw up the source.list??
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19:14<rozewskic>but I'll give those a shot. Thanks.
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19:14<gpm>sney: anyway this gstreamer bug seems to go across all codecs/plugins so now i'm checking bts for the core gstreamer packages to see which one to file a bug with
19:14<Oak>rozewskic: flux is cool, openbox is pretty good as well.
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19:14<rozewskic>OK, thanks. I'm signing off. Take care
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19:15<sney>AlabamaHit: 'foo' is just a placeholder for whatever package you need to install, your sources.list is fine
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19:17<AlabamaHit>sney, oh, so that is just telling me if i want to install from sid, to use that command.
19:18<sney>exactly
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19:18<sney>gotta run, if you have any further questions there are lots of people here who have done th nvidia thing before.
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19:19<AlabamaHit>Thanks for all your help.
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19:22<AlabamaHit>crap i'm still getting the error that it fails
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19:29<Oak>Hey guys I got recommended to install debian squeeze net install and I'm using the text installer. At the part where it reads the CD it says install failed.
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19:32<themill>!check iso image
19:32<dpkg>To verify you have a valid and official Debian CD/DVD image, see http://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#verify . To test an ISO image was burned correctly, compare the output of md5sum filename.iso; dd if=/dev/cdrom | head -c `stat --format=%s filename.iso` | md5sum You should compare this md5sum to the checksum for the iso image on the mirror.
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19:36<bja>What is an LVM snapshot?
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19:57<Oak>Ok bja?
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19:58<Oak>I burned debian net install (squeeze) 3 different times and all give the same results. It freezes at the CD reading part. (second step)
19:59<Oak>and my computer isn't letting my boot from flash drive anymore.
19:59<ODDity>Oak, is there MD5 sum you can check on the downloaded .iso? Also burn at a slower speed
19:59<Oak>I burned at 1x.
19:59<ODDity>oh
19:59<Oak>how do I check MD5 sum?
20:00<ODDity>does it actually boot to the CD at all?
20:00<Oak>Yes. It lets me pick English>USA, American English>install failed
20:00<ODDity>I see
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20:00<themill>Oak: what dpkg said 30 min ago...
20:00<Oak>installer language>keyboard> language settings, if I'm not mistaken
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20:10<ODDity>mm its doesn't appear to be immediately obvious where to find the MD5 sum for the squeeze net install.. alpha 1 is it
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20:18<ml|>ODDity: for example .. http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/squeeze_di_alpha1/i386/iso-cd/MD5SUMS
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20:18<bad>Anyone known the config to UTF-8 with zsh bash
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20:19<bad>i've config the locales
20:19<Oak>When the net install asks me for a wep key and I don't use wep, what do I do?
20:19<ODDity>ml|, yeah, exactly that
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20:20<Oak>ODDity: You're gonna laugh at me, but I tried my other cd drive and it worked.
20:20*Oak sighs...
20:20<ODDity>ahh.. i wont laugh - I've had exactly that problem before
20:20<Oak>ODDity: But I have a new problem. (internet related)
20:21<ODDity>i see that
20:21<Oak>This is actually the reason I couldn't get debian working every time I tried it with a wireless interface. "Hey what's your wep key?", "But Debian, I use WPA2"
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20:22<ODDity>wireless really isn't my bag
20:23<ODDity>i've had the same old router for 8 years and never had wireless at home
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20:33<ODDity>Oak, I reckon you could get away with an install off the first 2 CD's to at least get gnome up and running, this might provide you with the required drivers for the wireless
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20:42<Oak>ODDity: Maybe another day. I've wasted too many CDs today.
20:43<ODDity>Oak, yeah.. bit of a pain. It's all I can think of, though I'm clearly no expert
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20:48<Oak>Oh I've got an idea. How do you think using 1 of the DVDs would fare? Probably about good enough as the first 2 CDs.
20:49<Oak>The question is, stable or testing?
20:53<ODDity>yeah
20:53<ODDity>well.. what I was reading was saying you can get an install working with 2 cd's or one dvd
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20:54<ODDity>so.. testing is more likely to have built in support for the wireless I'm guessing
20:55<ODDity>It seems that way to me anyway - i've been using squeeze and it's been stable for my use
20:55<adb>!what's my wireless
20:55<dpkg>Install the hwinfo package and execute "/usr/sbin/hwinfo --wlan", or http://linux-wless.passys.nl/ , or ask me about <whats my hardware>. See also <wireless>.
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20:59<wing>anyone - in pbuilder...apt-get source <whatever> returns with "E: Could not open file /var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_debian_dists_squeeze_main_source_Sources - open (2: No such file or directory)" ---any suggestions?
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21:00<wing>shouldnt apt-get be going through /etc/apt/sources.list??? im getting stuck with no answers from the web or manuals
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21:48<wing>all - having some trouble with pbuilder would anyone be able to give me some advice/suggestions? im stuck
21:51<sney>wing: the packaging experts live in #debian-mentors
21:52<wing>sney...thanks
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22:24<matu>sney, when should i come back to ask my question ?
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23:01<BruceSato>hi
23:05<sney>hi
23:05<BruceSato>is this channel german or english?
23:06<sney>english
23:06<sney>!de
23:06<dpkg>Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de).
23:07<BruceSato>thank you
23:07<dr|z3d>BruceSato: Does your client not indicate the topic?
23:07<dr|z3d>If it did, you would see that German doesn't feature :)
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23:07<BruceSato>english only isnt mentioned, too ^^
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23:08<dr|z3d>The topic _is_ in English. It _isn't_ in German. Take a wild guess what language we speak here.. *wink*
23:08<BruceSato>ive got one question: ive got a USB-Stick which needs rt2500usb-support, and ive seen in some distros that rt2500usb isnt supported there
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23:09<sney>!rt2500usb
23:09<dpkg>The Ralink RT2500USB chipset (RT2571) is supported by the next-generation driver (rt2500usb), included in mainline kernels since 2.6.24. It does not require firmware from userspace. http://wiki.debian.org/rt2500usb . For RT2501USB/RT2571W device support, ask me about <rt73usb>.
23:09<sney>looks good to me
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23:09<BruceSato>thank you for answering my question so clearly ^^
23:10<sney>no problem
23:10<adb>!win dpkg
23:10<dpkg>Congratulations, dpkg! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120!
23:11<sney>now if only all this built up good karma would cause that annoying guy to leave the eee and offtopic channels.
23:13<BruceSato>im looking out for a reason to keep windows as OS, but i cant find one except that WoW runs only on windows afaik
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23:14<sney>BruceSato: in my experience, WoW looks better in windows but performs better in Wine. I was getting 20 more fps in crazy places like stormwind, etc
23:15<sney>also it works perfectly
23:15<BruceSato>wine hmmm. need to drink something, good reminder ^^
23:16<BruceSato>i know what wine is, that was a joke ^^
23:16<sney>heh I figured
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23:17<BruceSato>i tried opensuse before, but rt2500usb and opensuse are enemies 4 life
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23:47<amitz>I have i5. Google says AMD64 is a better fit for me than i64. How much performance difference I should expect if I used i64 or i386 instead?
23:47<amitz>if that question makes sense.
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23:47<sney>amitz: ia64 will not work at all, period.
23:48<sney>ia64 is for the intel itanium cpu, which you don't have. it's completely different.
23:49<amitz>I probably confused i64 and 686, which is a kernel choice within i386. Noted.
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23:49<sney>the only real noticeable difference between i686 and amd64 comes into play if you have 4GB of RAM or more
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23:51<amitz>hmm yeah, I'm aware about memory addressing issue above 3.2GB (IIRC)
23:51<sney>that's it really, there may be some minor performance differences between them but nothing you'd notice in the real world.
23:52<sney>there are some iffy issues with adobe flash on amd64 but it's still usable
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