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#debian IRC Logs for 2010-05-01

---Logopened Sat May 01 00:00:20 2010
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00:18<amitz>I see, thanks!
00:20<ODDity>sney, my new box is going to have an AMD Phemon II processor in - I'll have to run 64 bit on that wont I?
00:20<ODDity>with 4gb of RAM on board at least
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00:27<ODDity>I suppose I really mean, will debian handle the 6 core AMD Phenom II 1090T
00:27<ODDity>cos it's arriving at my door soon
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00:27<jester45>why would it not ?
00:28<ODDity>I'm not sure... It's the first up-to-date machine I've ever owned and the processors haven't been out long
00:29<ODDity>I like debian you see
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00:29<jester45>its not a major change from a x4 phenom, just 2 more cores. im not even sure if they added any new features
00:31<jester45>worst case is that things dont scale up perfectly but you would have to expect that to a degree
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00:32<ODDity>yeah that sounds bearable. I've not run 64 bit before
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00:34<MJD>ODDity: Asides from memory constraints, all am64 compatible processors must support the old i386 code.
00:34<jester45>i think you'll be happy what a x6 gives you. i have a x4 and its handles everything
00:35<jester45>only wish amd would put hyperthreading on their processes. but thats a bit offtopic so ill just shutup about my wishes
00:36<jester45>processors*
00:37<ODDity>:)
00:37<ODDity>yeah I hope it's worth it
00:38<ODDity>I struggle with some stuff this box so.. it 1.6GHz, 1gb of RAM
00:38<ODDity>single core.. I think it's lonely
00:38<jester45>your getting more ram right?
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00:39<ODDity>yeah it's a whole new system.. new everything
00:40<ODDity>4gb DDR3, geforce GTX280
00:40<ODDity>actually.. no. i had to go for the GTX275
00:40<ODDity>it all got too expensive :P
00:40<jester45>ok i was going to say 1gb will kinda hold back the cpu
00:41<ODDity>yeah I dont think less than 4 would be suitable for a new box
00:41<ODDity>it's what they say anyway
00:43<jester45>that just depends on what your doing
00:43<ODDity>lots of very important stuffs :P
00:45<ODDity>I got in to 3d modelling .. http://ollie.co.cc/blender/ this box really doesn't cope well
00:45<jester45>email does just fine with 1 core, games 2 is ok(alot of games dont use a bunch of processors), video editing 4 is ok 8 is getting better and infinite cores is good
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00:45<jester45>lol i dont think it would, but that video card will help rendering a lot
00:46<ODDity>I hope so
00:46<jester45>i've tried a few times to use blender but never could say with it to learn how to control it
00:46<ODDity>the new version is a lot better
00:46<ODDity>it's still in alpha but usable
00:47<jester45>i tried about a month ago
00:47<ODDity>reconfigured the interface and whatnot
00:47<ODDity>2.5?
00:47<jester45>quit 5 days later :)
00:47<ODDity>ahh
00:47<jester45>i can't recall
00:47<ODDity>well.. I find it's easier to learn with video tutorials and stuff
00:48<ODDity>www.blendercookie.com
00:49<ODDity>but yeah, it's not easy.. i've not done this before so I'm really having to try much harder than I thought
00:50<ODDity>then, you do have these "breakthroughs" where stuff clicks in to place and makes sense
00:50<ODDity>which is nice
00:53<ODDity>you can get the latest builds of blender from graphicall.org btw
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01:55<ahaios>hello
01:56<ahaios>can someone help me about ubuntu 10.04? i can activate the wireless in pavilion dv6
01:56<chl1>is there any good tool one can use to detect why network is slow under linux?
01:56<ahaios>i put the touchad and turn blue...but there is no found any network
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02:04<sney>ahaios: ah, the first of many. this is not the ubuntu help channel. Please do /server irc.freenode.net and then /join #ubuntu
02:05<ahaios>i know but anyones helped there..
02:05<ahaios>:/
02:05<sney>ahaios: you can't seriously expect us to support an operating system we don't use
02:06<sney>the ubuntu team made a lot of changes since they borrowed our unstable tree. it's not the same thing. Please ask your questions in the correct place.
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02:09<Skippi>anybody home?
02:09<auxo>請問大家
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02:10<auxo>如果我要設定一個使用者可以登入機器使用vsftpd的服務
02:10<auxo>但是他的資料夾內都是從別的地方link來的資料夾
02:10<ansgar>!zh
02:10<dpkg>well, cn is China, or for help in chinese please join irc.oftc.net #debian-zh, Please use UTF-8, for IRC help see http://tinyurl.com/8yrj9 | Qt/KDE è¿æ¸¡æå¼å§ï¼è¯¦æ请é读
02:10<auxo>這樣他會有辦法讀取嗎?
02:11<ansgar>auxo: This channel is English-only.
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02:25<eric>does anyone know the terminal command to install the gui login screen for backtrack 4
02:26<ansgar>!backtrack
02:26<dpkg>BackTrack is a Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu> Intrepid (as of BackTrack 4), previously <SLAX>. Derived from merging two penetration-testing distributions: WHAX (formerly WHOPPIX) and Auditor Security Linux. It is not supported in #debian. http://www.backtrack-linux.org/ #backtrack-linux on irc.freenode.net. See also <based on debian>.
02:26<eric>so do u know the command
02:27<eric>SOMEBODY HELP
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02:27<radist>здарова народ
02:27<eric>will anybody help me
02:28<ansgar>eric: Backtrack is not supported here. Read what dpkg just said.
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02:29<Lanz>Does anyone know the command that you can use to unlimit the maximum number of incoming connections on Debian?
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02:48<auxo>hello,everybody
02:49<auxo>if I want to let some user use my vsftpd,
02:49<Lanz>Just create that user on the system
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02:50<auxo>but the files in that dir was linked from elsewhere
02:51<auxo>and the privilege of those files is higher than that user
02:52<auxo>what should I do to let that user can access those files?
02:53<auxo>somebody tell me to use mount instead of link
02:53<auxo>"mount"
02:54<auxo>but I can't make it
02:57<ODDity>maybe look in to mounting it with the --bind switch
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02:59<auxo>mount --bind /media/ntfs/somedir /home/someuser/linkdir
02:59<auxo>like this?
02:59<auxo>I have try it ever
03:00<auxo>but it still not work
03:00<auxo>should I do anything wrong?
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03:27<chaos>if i have testing distribution what would be the device name for an usb stick?
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03:44<prive>Adobe Flash Player comment je px installer?
03:44<prive>bnjr
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03:50<cahoot>!fr
03:50<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur irc.oftc.net. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.oftc.net.
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03:55<mansi>hello friends how can i disable cache in squid
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03:55<mansi>i want direct traffic
03:55<mansi>just installed squid to block some websites
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03:55<mansi>me using squid 3
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04:00<fixl>omg that java networking bug is really anoying :(
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04:01<fixl>http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=560056 <-- taht one
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04:26<klol>Is it ok to ask for help here?
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04:29<gsimmons>klol: If it is about Debian, sure. Just go ahead and describe your problem.
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04:31<klol>is it ok to ask for help here?
04:32<EmleyMoor>As long as it's with Debian, it's the whole point
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05:13<javier_>hola
05:13<javier_>soys de españa?
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05:16<klh>I try to compile Squeeze's Kernel with kernel-package but there's a problem : initrd is not created. /etc/kernel-img.conf is ok (do_initrd = yes). make-kpkg --initrd ... INITRD = YES but no initrd in the .deb ...
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05:22<valdyn>klh: should be a known bug as its fixed in sid at some point
05:23<valdyn>klh: meanwhile you can generate the initrd anyway
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05:24<klh>valdyn: ok, thanks
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05:50<wulfy>maco not bad :) prity quick spat a error out gave me options to fix and bingo back we come
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06:08<Guest1972>Z
06:08<Guest1972>HOLA
06:08<Guest1972>HI
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06:08<Guest1972>HOLA
06:08<Guest1972>HI
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06:08<Guest1972>HOLA
06:08<Guest1972>HI
06:08<Guest1972>HOLA
06:08<Guest1972>HI
06:08<locklace>!ops Guest1972
06:08<Guest1972>HOLA
06:08<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: locklace complains about: Guest1972
06:08<Guest1972>HI
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06:09<Guest1972>HOW OLD ARE YOU?
06:09<Guest1972>IM 11
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06:10<Guest1972>HIÇ
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06:10<chaos>dircolors -p gives me a list of colors used ... but where's the config file?
06:12<syntaxError>How can i see if my programs starts from chroot env or not?
06:12<chaos>i suppose ps aux|grep <program name> should tell u if the owner is root or not
06:13<locklace>chaos: what do you mean config file
06:13<chaos>dircolors -p gives me a hugeass list .. i want to change some entries
06:14<chaos>and make the changes stick :)
06:14<chaos>blue dirnames vs. black background ...
06:14<locklace>do you understand what dircolors does
06:15<chaos>i don't want to understand everything ... i just want dirs to be displayed in a light color when i do ls without colors=none
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06:16<locklace>man dircolors
06:18<chaos>it dumps info from a db
06:18<chaos>but how do i go & poke that db then?
06:18<locklace>you don't, it's compiled in
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06:19<locklace>you control your colors by setting the LS_COLORS environment variable
06:19<chaos>how do i set ls_colors?
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06:20<dr|z3d>chaos: check your bash.rc
06:21<chaos>i have dircolors turned off for bash but in lftp it doesn't seem to work
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06:23<chaos>ok so ls_colors="blahblah" export ls_colors fixed it for now .... do i have to repeat this after reboot?
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06:47<BruceSato>!rt2500usb
06:47<dpkg>The Ralink RT2500USB chipset (RT2571) is supported by the rt2500usb next-generation driver, included in mainline Linux kernels since 2.6.24. It does not require firmware from userspace. http://wiki.debian.org/rt2500usb . For RT2501USB/RT2571W device support, ask me about <rt73usb>.
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07:25<nathan>hi, i want to partition my hdd with cfdisk. After asked the part table, i saw that i have on primary part, extended part and logical part (swap). But now i want to create an other partition on my primary part but i can't because i'm booted on. So how i can do to partition my hdd with cfdisk?
07:26<nathan>and of course i can't unmount it
07:28<silice->nathan: http://gparted.sourceforge.net/livecd.php #try Live on USB or CD?
07:29<weasel>nathan: if you have free space, just create the partition, then reboot
07:30<nathan>weasel, but i the problem is that i don't have free space
07:30<weasel>I see.
07:30<nathan>in fact i want create a new little part to host an lfs system
07:30<weasel>see what silice- told you then
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07:55<jeka>привет всем
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07:56<zobel>dpkg: tell jeka about !ru
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07:58<jeka>helo mir
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09:21<goody>how to set "iwconfig wlan0 ap xxx" in adhoc mode,should "off" or something else?
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10:02<cahoot>like mode Ad-hoc?
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10:02<cahoot>man iwconfig
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10:11<damon>hello - am new to debian ... can someone point me in the right direction: I want to remap the keys for my external keyboard that is connected to my laptop (eee pc) ... i only want to remap the external keyboard (is a mac keyboard) ... I think if I got a nudge I could figure it out. thanks
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10:15<elmariposaatlas_polilla>hola
10:15<elmariposaatlas_polilla>helloç
10:15<elmariposaatlas_polilla>hello
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10:16<elmariposaatlas_polilla>hello??
10:16<elmariposaatlas_polilla>im new
10:16<zobel>elmariposaatlas_polilla: yes?
10:16<elmariposaatlas_polilla>yes
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10:16<elmariposaatlas_polilla>im new
10:16<zobel>nobody here
10:16<zobel>yes, you told us already
10:17<Xk2c>hello, M-t inside bash does "transpose-words". Is it possible to configure "transpose-words" to use whitespace as separator?
10:17<elmariposaatlas_polilla>here are games?
10:17<zobel>no
10:17<elmariposaatlas_polilla>here are games?
10:17<zobel>elmariposaatlas_polilla: no
10:17<elmariposaatlas_polilla>ok
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10:19<elmariposaatlas_polilla>where are the games?
10:19<elmariposaatlas_polilla>i want to play tic tac toe!!
10:19<elmariposaatlas_polilla>boy of tramps!!
10:20<zobel>not here
10:20<zobel>go play somewhere else or in real life
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10:22<elmariposaatlas_polilla>you tell me where are the game room?
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10:22<bja>!es-social elmariposaatlas_polilla
10:22<dpkg>elmariposaatlas_polilla: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador por favor ingresa al canal social de #debian-es con /join #debian-es-cachondeo. Tus amigos probablemente ya esten ahi.
10:23<elmariposaatlas_polilla>no:yo kiero jugar!!!
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10:23<bja>entonces esta no es tu red
10:23<elmariposaatlas_polilla>como se llama la sala de juegos?
10:23<elmariposaatlas_polilla>me lo podeis decir?
10:24<elmariposaatlas_polilla>porfa
10:24<elmariposaatlas_polilla>vnga
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10:24<elmariposaatlas_polilla>stoy sperndo
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10:27<@zobel>bad /me
10:27<bja>\o/
10:27<bja>He'll survive
10:27<@zobel>+q is a lovely tool
10:28<bja>yes, when used properly ;P
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10:28<bja>I just wish i could do a +q on my neighbors kids at 4:00 am
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10:36<locklace>!pie bja
10:36*dpkg hits bja in the face with a cream pie
10:36<bja>!beer locklace
10:36*dpkg pulls out an excellent Spaten Pils for locklace
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10:43<Dreakon>Hey guys, I was just playing a playstation emulator in Wine and watching stuff on VLC and I believe that put me under 100% CPU load. I was watching my laptop temperatures and they got up to 72c per CPU core, and 73c THRM. Does that seem reasonable and safe for a laptop?
10:44<locklace>critical thresholds are usually upwards of 100C
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10:45<Dreakon>Well, for the Core2DUo's actually, at least this model, some of them have thresholds of 85
10:45<Dreakon>:(
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10:45<Dreakon>Is there anything I can do to keep the temperatures even lower than that?
10:45<dutchfish>Dreakon: you better consult the CPU specs, it can vary much depending of what type of CPU you have
10:45<locklace>run powertop
10:46<dutchfish>Dreakon: also check if hardware accelaration for you GPU is working properly (xV)
10:46<Dreakon>locklace, I'm not sure what I should be doing in it lol.
10:47<bja>Dreakon: Check that the fan is working properly and that there is enough space to have proper cooling airflow for your lap
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10:47<dutchfish>Dreakon: VLC has settings for video mode, have you checked those?
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10:48<Dreakon>Well, since closing ePSXe, it's gone down to 67 per core and 69 THRM :P
10:49<bja>Dreakon: using both cores at 100% for extended periods of time, can drain your 8hr battery in 20 mins, and reaching those temperatures is not abnormal
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10:49<Dreakon>bja, fan is working fine, and its on a table with nothing blocking the vent. Dunno how to get any better than that. :P
10:50<Dreakon>bja, alrighty. Thanks :P
10:50<bja>raise the backpart of your lap, that will give it an extra cool air flow
10:51<Dreakon>Just out of curiousity, out of all of your guys experiences, which is more inclined to get hotter under heavier loads, Debian or Windows?
10:51<bja>Clutter fans, no matter what os you have
10:51<sney>more or less equal, but windows is more likely to make a heavy load out of something
10:51<bja>dirty heat disipators
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10:52<Dreakon>sney, that's kind of what I was thinking. Wanted some professional opinions. ;)
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10:52<Dreakon>Like Debian has less crap running in the background, right?
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10:53<Dreakon>Is there any way to make sure that as little as possible is eating up CPU in the background? Disable startup programs, services, that kinda stuff?
10:53<sney>linux oses in general are better at scheduling things cleanly, and under debian you can fully control what it's doing
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10:53<bja>Dreakon: run powertop it will give you a hint
10:53<locklace>and just plain top
10:53<Dreakon>bja, I'm in powertop, im slightly confused what I'm looking at lol.
10:54<bja>http://www.linuxpowertop.org
10:54<peej>Dreakon, install a minimal system, look at daemons, strip away the ones that are not wanted
10:54<bja>Dreakon: as locklace suggested top can give you also a nice clue on what your lap is doing
10:55<dutchfish>Dreakon, sney Debian gets hotter (assuming both OSes are properly configured and tuned) the reason is that freq. sheduling of the GPU is just evolving in the linux kernel and not all GPU drivers support it. The windows drivers are a bit ahead with this technology.
10:55<peej>Dreakon, also look at cron and at jobs
10:55<bja>Dreakon: i have several scripts that tweak what daemons keep running according to what my battery needs are
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10:57<sney>dutchfish: that assumes presence of a gpu that puts out enough heat to make a difference, something that's only present in a relative minority of systems... though they have become more common in recent years
10:58<dutchfish>sney: all the recent GPU's support it
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10:59<dutchfish>sney: it emerged around 2002 and later
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11:00<sney>yes it's a supported feature but most gpus - and we're talking in *all* systems here, not just desktops - do not generate enough heat to make a notable difference in overall system temperature.
11:00<dutchfish>sney: that being said, if we look at the curent kernels and CPU heat versus workload, the linux kernel is a bit ahead
11:00<sney>integrated still dominates the market
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11:01<dutchfish>sney: i did measuring test myself and the heat difference is quiet big, in order of 5 - 10 degrees celsius on unthrothled versus throtled systems
11:02<sney>you're still talking about specific hardware. look at the big picture.
11:02<dutchfish>sney: i tested on quiet alot of systems, sorry to say but it really does mather
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11:05<sney>the legendary heat of the ati rage xl and intel 915, by gum I could heat my house.
11:05<dutchfish>sney: ;)
11:05*sney wanders off
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11:09<OKButton>hi all. can anyone point me in the right direction I want to echo a line to a file when the line is not there a bit like " if line exist in file end else echo line to file" I recon I need to use sed to do this but not sure how??
11:10<bja>!homework
11:10<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, homework is something you should do yourself.
11:10<sney>!abs
11:10<dpkg>[abs] The Advanced Bash-Scripting Guide, an in-depth exploration of the art of shell scripting, can be found at http://tldp.org/guides.html#abs . Packaged for Debian as abs-guide in non-free, ask me about <non-free sources>.
11:11<locklace>OKButton: grep -q
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11:14<OKButton>just the push I needed
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11:17<Dreakon>How might one go about seeing if hardware acceleration is enabled on their video cards?
11:17<locklace>Dreakon: by groveling through /var/log/Xorg.0.log
11:17<sney>glxinfo |grep direct
11:17<sney>or is it Direct
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11:18<sney>nope, it's lower case.
11:18<Dreakon>"direct rendering: Yes"
11:18<sney>that's enabled
11:18<Dreakon>Ah, alrighty. :P
11:19*bja points to the working desktop to someone
11:19*Dreakon turns head slightly and raises eyebrow.
11:19*sney hands bja an english grammar book
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11:21<Dreakon>Good old Yu-Gi-Oh
11:21*bja takes a look to sney's book.
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11:22<Dreakon>Darnit, I like Debian so much. Why must Windows constantly tempt me to go back. :(
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11:25<sney>dual-boot
11:25<sney>nobody said you have to pick
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11:26<sney>and if you have a legit windows license you may as well use it
11:27<Dreakon>dual booting has never thrilled me, the space on my laptop is precious to me since I have a lot of stuff I like to save and I'm kind of OCD about only having my laptop with me when I go places. ;) Meaning no external HD's and stuff.
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11:29<bja>Dreakon: bigger hdd for laptops are cheap
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11:30<Dreakon>bja, but how easy is it to install in a prebuilt ASUS laptop? I always assumed that stuff was tough to install, if not impossible (when it comes to laptops)
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11:31<bja>Well i don't know about the ASUS laptops, on Dell and on Toshiba, you take out one screw and the hdd just slides out
11:31<renaud>hello :)
11:32<TCW>bja, depends on the model
11:33<renaud>I have a little problem with IRC, i search lot information but dont find. Is someone could help me please? Thank you very much
11:33<bja>Ok, the Dell and Toshiba laptops i've come across have one screw to slide the hdd out, TCW happy ;P
11:34<TCW>bja, better :)
11:34<TCW>bja, the laptops I've come across vary SO much there... doesn't matter what model or make
11:34<bja>renaud: if it is debian related if it is not then /msg dpkg irc-tuto
11:35<TCW>renaud, http://en.wikipedia.org/IRC
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11:36<renaud>thanks, but its true this in not particulary debian problem but its not a problem i can find in wikipedia or irc-tuto
11:36<renaud>its just i would like know if its possible connect on "terra-chat" from irc, if someone know?
11:37<bja>ask in terra-chat
11:37<bja>or better yet, send them an email
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11:37<bja>renaud: also take a look at bitlbee, you might be lucky with them
11:37<renaud>ok thanks i will try that! :)
11:38<renaud>ok nice :)
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11:38<incal>hello, I have a 4tech Wireless keyboard + mouse (G6saver), is it possible to use with Debian? I googled but found only strange hardware sites
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11:41<incal>Ok, is there anything to read on wireless I/O in general? what is the common procedure in cases like mine?
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11:44<brayden_>shit
11:44<brayden_>my nickname should've timed out by now
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11:45<brayden_>480 seconds? that's a joke. should be 180seconds
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11:45<skavurzka>kkkkkkkkkkkk
11:46<themill>brayden: /msg nickserv help ghost
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11:46<brayden>themill, i know i can ghost nicknames but it doesn't work if your nickname is unregistered
11:46<themill>so register it?
11:46<brayden>I figure nobody wants to steal the nickname of a person who just idles and has absolutely no elevated privilages on this network
11:47<TCW>what is "terra-chat"?
11:47<bja>Then don't complain about the tail on your nick
11:47<bja>nfi
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11:48<bja>It might be some chat service on the terra site. (Spanish isp provider i believe)
11:49<bja>TCW: the nfi was for another channel, sorry
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11:49<TCW>bja, what does "nfi" mean?
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11:50<bja>!tel TCW about nfi
11:50<bja>!tell TCW about nfi
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11:52<TCW>bja, thanks for clarification :)
11:54<bja>I have this problem with the touchpad, that sometimes it starts to drift, and things i want to type on one windo appear in another. Then the driver resyncs and everything back to normal. I haven't been able to pinpoint the reason or the failure. Quite anoying and embarassing some times
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12:00<nosbig>!tell nosbig about nfi
12:00<bja>!tell nosbig about selftell
12:01<TCW>bja, damn it, you were faster :)
12:01<bja>TCW: key bindings my friend
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12:03<TCW>bja, at least you did admit cheating :)
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12:03<bja>That is not cheating ;P
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12:04<heiritx>buenas
12:04<bja>!es
12:04<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat
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12:05<TCW>bja, that is your opinion :p
12:05<heiritx>sorry
12:05<heiritx>any have a bcm43xx installed in musix
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12:05<TCW>musix?
12:05<bja>musix?
12:06<heiritx>yes
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12:06<bja>heiritx: what is musix?
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12:06<matu>Hi, since a few days ago i dont have any sounds using my debian, could anyone help me please ? should i post a bug report about it ?
12:07<TCW>matu, first check if it is a bug... how do you check that sound does not work?
12:07<heiritx>is a linux distribution of make music
12:07<heiritx>is good
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12:07<bja>heiritx: this is debian support
12:08<heiritx>yes
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12:08<matu>TCW, using aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav
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12:09<TCW>matu, and what is happening then? Any messages on the screen?
12:09<matu>launching alsaconf i get this msg amixer: Mixer attach default error: No such file or directory
12:09<heiritx>but i instaled bcm43xx-fwcutter from synaptic and terminal and no run
12:10<bja>!tell heiritx about based on debian
12:10<matu>it was working a few days ago
12:10<heiritx>yes
12:10<TCW>matu, answer the question please :)
12:11<matu> aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav
12:11<matu>Playing WAVE '/usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav' : Signed 16 bit Little Endian, Rate 48000 Hz, Mono
12:11<matu> is all i get
12:11<heiritx>It's a 100% free multimedia operating system intended for music production, graphic design, audio and video edition, and all kind of tasks. It contains an enormous collection of free (as in freedom)
12:11<heiritx>http://www.musix.org.ar/en/index.html
12:12<TCW>matu, did you check your mixer settings? Btw. alsaconf is obsolete and should not be used anymore
12:12<bja>heiritx: check their website, maybe they have an irc channel where you can ask for help
12:12<matu>yes nothing is muted TCW
12:12<matu>it worked so nicely a few days ago :(
12:12<TCW>matand you are sure your speakers / headphone are operational?
12:13<TCW>matu even
12:13<matu>yes i am sure
12:13<TCW>matu, cat /proc/asound/cards and paste to a paste service
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12:13<matu>i am almost sure the problem is about the last update, because after i rebooted it was not working....
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12:14<matu>cat /proc/asound/cards
12:14<matu> 0 [ICH6 ]: ICH4 - Intel ICH6
12:14<matu> Intel ICH6 with STAC9752,53 at irq 16
12:14<heiritx>sorry
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12:14<heiritx>thanks bja, this is my first time
12:14<heiritx>bye
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12:15<TCW>matu, this channel is NOT a paste service ;) but nothing more? Just these two lines?
12:15<matu>nothing more
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12:17<TCW>matu, do you have mplayer installed?
12:17<matu>yes
12:18<jeka>hello as will set me .patch
12:18<TCW>matu, paste the logging (all of it) that mplayer spits out while playing a wav file
12:18<matu>i installed lxde mplayer vlc gossip stardict alsa-utils iceweasel and xchat
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12:19<matu>ok
12:19<TCW>matu, oh... what kernel and debian version are you running?
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12:19<matu>http://pastebin.com/5Nzwer12
12:19<matu>Linux debian 2.6.26-2-686 #1 SMP Tue Mar 9 17:35:51 UTC 2010 i686 GNU/Linux
12:20<matu>i used debian 5.0.4 netinstall to install my debian
12:20<cahoot>matu: try /etc/init.d/alsa-utils reset 0
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12:21<matu>Resetting ALSA card 0...done.
12:21<matu>it works now
12:21<cahoot>matu: now speaker-test -t wav -c2
12:21<cahoot>ok
12:21<matu>ah you were very efficient TCW and cahoot ^^
12:21<cahoot>matu: so it wasn't unmuted
12:22<TCW>cahoot, that unmutes all channels?
12:22<matu>nothing was muted in alsaconf :/
12:22<cahoot>alsaconf can't tell
12:22<TCW>matu, alsaconf is obsolete, you mean alsamixer?
12:22<matu>yes alsamixer
12:22<matu>i mean alsamixer
12:22<cahoot>matu: you know the difference between mute and level?
12:23<matu>erf you are right but i did not mute a thing
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12:23<matu>i also reinstalled debian since i get this problem after rebooting and stil got the same problem
12:23<matu>l
12:23<TCW>matu, you did reinstall debian because of sound issues?
12:24<cahoot>TCW: read the script to see what it does - I don't know about all channels
12:24<matu>yes because i forgot what i did the last day so i thought reinstalling...
12:25<cahoot>matu: learn to resist those windows reflexes
12:25<TCW>cahoot, I do so already :)
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12:25<matu>yes you are right it was maybe a windows reflex but it was because i forgot what i did the last day
12:26<TCW>cahoot, learn to debug things, reinstalling is a general windows-problem-solver not fpr GNU/Linux
12:26<matu>so i did not reinstall twice lol
12:27<matu>and joined this channel after i was unable to get the things working fine
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12:27<jeka>help mе
12:28<bja>!ask
12:28<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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12:29<jeka>I need to set a patch
12:29<matu>thanks a lot
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12:31<TCW>jeka, don't bug people with private messages
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12:32<TCW>jeka, and I think no one does know what you want, your question (was it one?) was very very vage
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12:34<bja>jeka: man diff and man patch will show you the info you need
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12:36<bja>Is qcad the only general cad program available from the repos?
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12:44<jeka>how I must set a patch on draver in leny
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12:45<noflash>!patch
12:45<dpkg>from memory, patch is just a tool to handle text file mutations according to a common format known as 'diff'. For kernel patching use (depending on type of patch): 'patch -p1 < patch.diff' or 'zcat patch.gz | patch -p1' or 'bzcat patch.bz2 | patch -p1'
12:46<bja>jeka: take a google trip, if you downloaded the sources form the debian repos, all debian patches get aplied. Do a google research for your extra patch, and please take a look to "man diff" and "man patch"
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12:46<TCW>bja, freecad?
12:47<bja>TCW: i'll google it, not on the repos
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12:47<TCW>,versions freecad
12:47<judd>freecad -- sid: 0.9.2646.5-1+b1; squeeze: 0.9.2646.5-1+b1
12:47<requia>does anybody know how to use iwconfig to connect to a wireless network?
12:48<TCW>bja, it is :) but not for lenny
12:48<bja>requia: man iwconfig its quite simple
12:48<TCW>requia, man iwconfig and you may be one of them
12:48<requia>Fuck you both
12:48<requia>You think I didn't read that?
12:48<TCW>oh, what a nice guy
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12:49<TCW>requia, that is exactly what we thought
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12:50<requia>Yeah well, I did, there's no goddamned instructions that tell me which of the 25 different commands inside iwconfig connect to a wireless network
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12:50<TCW>requia, if you have read the manpage and still don't know what to do... you may need to be more specific about your issue then
12:50<requia>HOW DO I CONNAECT TO A WIRELESS NETWORK
12:50<requia>That was the question
12:50<bja>requia: Cool down
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12:50<cahoot>not too smart when it comes to repations
12:50<cahoot>relations
12:51<requia>I have no real expectation of getting an answer
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12:51<TCW>requia, do you know the basics about wireless networking?
12:51<jester45>Rendergraf, http://lmgtfy.com/?q=how+to+connect+to+wifi+with+iwconfig
12:51<jester45>requia, http://lmgtfy.com/?q=how+to+connect+to+wifi+with+iwconfig
12:51<requia>I also googled for it asshole
12:51<requia>none of the instructions work
12:52<requia>TCW: yes
12:52<bja>requia: iwconfig eth1 essid your_essid key yourkey commit; dhclient eth1 <-- modified to taste and FOAD
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12:52<jester45>have you have tried? any errors? what kind of network
12:52<cahoot>wpa involved?
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12:52<requia>commit would be the problem then, it won't run
12:52<requia>I turned security off since key throws errors
12:53<TCW>requia, sorry... your attitude prevents me from considering to help you
12:53<requia>TCW: You already refused to help me
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12:53<requia>so why should I care about you?
12:53<@zobel>requia: please cool down. thx
12:53<TCW>requia, i hope others get the spirit and refuse tooß .9
12:53<TCW>.9
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12:53<TCW>:)
12:53<TCW>damn keyboard
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12:54<jester45>TCW, thats not a good attitude either
12:54<TCW>jester45, not a perfect ghandi-like one, yeah .9
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12:54<TCW>s/.9/:)/
12:54<jester45>and... this why /ignore was created
12:54<bja>requia: what card are you using? is the encryption of the network wep or wpa?, please consider that you are the one infront of you computer. My wifi is working properly
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12:55<requia>I turned the security off
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12:56<requia>since iwconfig wlan0 key throws errors
12:56<bja>requia: card?
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12:56<requia>ralink something or other (chipset, not the card)
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12:57<craigevil>requia: http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi
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12:58<requia>not a driver issue, it works fine from the GUI
12:58<requia>but the GUI broke halfway thorough an upgrade to squeeze
12:58<bja>requia: unless you start giving accurate facts, there is no posibility of anyone giving you accurate solutions. It can be frustrating. Take a glass of water write down all the information you think someone not infront of your machine will need to figure things out
12:59<requia>and it won't let me finish the upgrade or reinstall without internet
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13:00<requia>bja: if what you're telling me is right its not going to work at all, since commit is a key part of the process and that function won't work
13:00<requia>so... yeah, I'll have to take it somewhere with a wire
13:00<jeka>I all google climbed round from a morning try to put a patch on the driver of bcm4312, such chustvo that dance with bubnom in the circle of pc who can nebud' to on can
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13:01<bja>requia: commit is hw dependent, on some cards will brake things
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13:02<TCW>what a nice guy that was, really...
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13:04<bja>TCW: Sometimes people are scared, frustrated or plain aggresive, some steaming out and things begin to work again
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13:04<a>hi
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13:04<bja>hi
13:04-!-a is now known as Guest2008
13:05<Guest2008>cat /proc/version shows ...Debian 4.1.2-25 but debian.org says lenny is 5.x
13:05<Guest2008>how is that?
13:05<locklace>cat /etc/debian_version
13:05<TCW>bja, then GNU/Linux is not the OS they should use and IMHO should not be encouraged to use it... at least if "steam out" looks like what this guy did.
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13:06<Guest2008>locklace, thx
13:06<TCW>Guest2008, the most obvious explanation would be you run a older debian version
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13:07<bja>Guest2008: on that same line, you have (Debian 2.6.26-21lenny4)
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13:07<requia>bja: sorry for snapping at you earlier, thanks for the help
13:07<TCW>Ohh... he did cat /proc/version... oops :)
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13:07<jeka>youre all fascists do not help
13:08<locklace>!confuse jeka
13:08<dpkg>Yes, who are my ferret yesterday, jeka? Shirts of the Democracy of Tibet with extra cheese.
13:08<TCW>bja, another one with "steam out" issues? :)
13:08<Oak>Hey bja, remember me? I got debian installed fine but now I have some problems (Who could have guessed?).
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13:11<jeka>все сукбляди мудакии
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13:13<bja>jeka: if you cannot read a man page in your own language, don't expect a nice explanation on a foreign language
13:13<bja>TCW: ;P
13:13<Alt_Bass>jeka, òû äèáèë
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13:14<Alt_Bass>He's an idiot.
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13:15<jeka>you are all bitchs and nazis
13:15<bja>welcome to the club
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13:15<bja>do you want to sit next to me
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13:16*bja smooches jeka
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13:17<bibop554>I've spent the afternoon studying iptables/netfilter. Can someone confirm that the chain, say "OUTPUT" in table "filter" is different from the chain "OUTPUT" in table "nat" ?
13:18<Imran-UK>bibop554, yes it is different
13:18<bja>bibop554: test it yourself ;P
13:18<bibop554>yes
13:18<bibop554>i've done it
13:18<jordanm[titan]>bibop554: there is #netfilter on irc.freenode.net
13:19<bibop554>but i prefer two confirmations instead of one only :)
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13:19<Imran-UK>a good way of learning is setting up a couple of debian servers in virtualbox and playing with iptables/netfilter - eg. ssh, portforward etc
13:19<bibop554>:) exactly what i've done here
13:19<Imran-UK>bibop554, depending on what you're doing, check out shorewall too, it's a layer above iptables
13:20<bibop554>but i was interesting in the architecture of netfilter more than in hacking
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13:21<bja>bibop554: take a look also to the BSD pf command, i've heard wonders about it. It might be usefull for you also
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13:22<locklace>!start a firewall war
13:22<dpkg>OpenBSD's pf *owns* your sorry little ipchains ass.
13:22<bibop554>a last question, please could someone look at this flowchart: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/37/Netfilter-packet-flow.svg/2000px-Netfilter-packet-flow.svg.png
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13:22<bibop554>iptables can only configure the "green" tables right ?
13:23<bibop554>i don't know the difference between xtables and ebtables
13:24<Imran-UK>re: pf comment - as part of the smoothwall team i beg to differ ;)
13:24<jordanm[titan]>bibop554: the #netfilter channel I mentioned earlier would be a perfect place to ask about this
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13:24<bibop554>ok, thanks
13:24*jordanm[titan] uses openbsd PF on his home network gateway
13:25<Imran-UK>bibop554, it's a packet filter/router - really layer 3 i think
13:26<Imran-UK>but it think the green block in that diagram looks correct
13:26<Imran-UK>network layer is normally referred to as layer 2
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13:26<locklace>uh, no
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13:29<Imran-UK>oops my mistake, layer 2 data layer of course, layer 3 network
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13:29<Imran-UK>so yes, diagram looks ok
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13:32<bibop554>ok. when login to #netfilter i saw that this diagram is linked from the #netfilter FAQ ... so it must be correct
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13:39<Cristian77>hi guys
13:39<Cristian77>I'm using Ubuntu right now, but I want to try to pass to Debian 5.0
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13:40<bja>Cristian77: download an image and install it
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13:40<bja>s/image/ISO/
13:41<Cristian77>somebody can say me if I can perform the installation directly, without losting all my documents, or it's necessary to format the and re do the partitions?
13:41<locklace>Cristian77: you can keep your /home if it's a separate partition
13:41<bja>Cristian77: if you care about your info, go the safe route, do a backup
13:41<Cristian77>ahhh, ok
13:42<Cristian77>better I do a backup, because my /home is not in a different partition...
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13:43<Cristian77>thanks so much buddies
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13:46<Oak>What are the official US repositories for squeeze? When I installed, I didn't have internet so I couldn't verify the repositories. the install just left up to my DVD
13:47<bja>!tell Oak about repos
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13:49<adb>!tell Oak about mirror
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13:49<Oak>Should I replace lenny with squeeze?
13:50<locklace>!tell Oak about releases
13:51<Oak>Even in IRC, the robots have taken over
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13:52<bja>!like Oak
13:52*dpkg smooches Oak on the neck
13:52*Oak thought robots weren't aloud to feel.
13:52<Oak>You should make a !murder
13:53<bja>!lart Oak
13:53*dpkg whips out a sword and chops Oak in half
13:53<Oak>That's good enough
13:53<Oak>now !tell someone else "I did not murder him"
13:54<Oak>to keep with the cheesey I, Robot movie references
13:54<bja>!boy abuse
13:54<dpkg>RAPE! RAPE!! Don't ever come near me again!
13:55<Oak>First day on squeeze and encountered a bug
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13:55<bja>!testing
13:55<dpkg>Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <squeeze>. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting and ask me about <testing faq> <lenny->squeeze> <testing security> <moving target> <dda> <apt-listchanges> and <bts>. You should have a sound knowledge of Debian packaging to use testing and should be prepared for a bumpy ride at times. Don't use it on things that are critical or on servers.
13:56<Oak>Yes I know what testing means
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13:58<Oak>so dpkg-bot how is your day
13:58<bja>!bot abuse
13:58<dpkg>Leave me alone.. I feel abused and molested.
13:59<Oak>your text says no, but your bits say yes
13:59*bja install one OS within an other OS
14:00<locklace>finally decided to run emacs eh
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14:01<bja>I'll give it a try
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14:02<bja>14.6 MB to download for the -common package. Rises expectations for the program
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14:23<free-engineer>wt
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14:24<remex666>server irc.stmikbg.com
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14:24<Shinigami>Hi... I'm having a problem at boot. Kernel Panic... Can anyone give me a little help?
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14:25<locklace>!tell Shinigami about how to ask
14:25<Torsten_W>Shinigami, be more precice
14:25<remex666>server irc.stmikbg.com
14:25<adb>!ops remex666 spam
14:25<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: adb complains about: remex666 spam
14:25<Shinigami>Sorry... I don't speak english very well...
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14:25<Shinigami>I'll try to say!!! XD
14:26<adb>!br
14:26<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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14:26<Shinigami>Can I send a link from imageshack?
14:26<Myon>remex666: /server
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14:26<@mentor>erg
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14:26<Myon>adb, mentor: I think he was just being clueless
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14:28<mentor>Myon: Yes, distinctly possible
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14:32<Shinigami>locklace, Torsten_W ... Can I send a image link here in the channel?
14:33<h2o>how to install nvidia drivers, the fastests way on debian? because my monitor keeps turning off
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14:34<bibop554>apt-get install nvidia-glx
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14:40<TCW>h2o, depends on the nvidia chip used... lspci |grep VGA
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14:41<h2o>:S
14:41<h2o>im using nvida 9800gt
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14:47<Torsten_W>Shinigami, 1st, don't query me unasked!
14:48<Torsten_W>Shinigami, 2nd, what's unclear with this message? the uuid is wrong
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14:48<Oak>Are there any aim-related pidgin bugs in squeeze?
14:50<Shinigami>Torsten_W, Why wrong? oO
14:50<bibop554>h2o> nvidia-glx support the 9800GT starting from sid
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14:52<Torsten_W>Shinigami, it's your system, not mine
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14:54<Shinigami>Torsten_W, I've copy from my /media!!!
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14:58<Torsten_W>Shinigami, no one will be able to help you, without relevant informations
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15:00<Shinigami>Torsten_W, Sorry!!!
15:00<Shinigami>Torsten_W, I sent you the image of the problem!!1
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15:00<Torsten_W>Shinigami, that's only a screebshot of the kernel-panic
15:00<Torsten_W>s/b/n
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15:24<Aceit>hi everyone
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15:31<r0nin>Test
15:31<bja>Fail
15:32<r0nin>:(
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15:35<r0nin101011>How difficult is it to recover files off a lvm raid? Raid 1
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15:36<valdyn>r0nin101011: files?
15:36<r0nin101011>Right now I've been just rsync'ing to both drives for a backup of non-critical data
15:36<valdyn>r0nin101011: what the actual situation?
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15:38<r0nin101011>Right now I've got a small server with non-critical data that's just being shared with samba. I'm wanting to mirror it instead of my current rsync method
15:39<r0nin101011>I've read a little and lvm raid recovery seems like a headache
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15:42<r0nin1010110>Seems blackberry irc clients blow
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15:46<Tom__>I'll make a note of that
15:46<Tom__>ronin: No one said anything
15:47<bja>Btw the ssb factoid is broken the debhelper package is in need of an upgrade to make the process less painful if at all possible
15:47<Tom__>Ronin: I don't know LVM RAID. Can you still mount the original drives like in RAID-1?
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15:51<EmleyMoor>How would I copy a whole load off directories, files and all, keeping to alphabetical order?
15:52<EmleyMoor>of, even
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15:52<EmleyMoor>Also, is there anything I can do to automatically rename anything that is not vfat-friendly?
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15:53<locklace>EmleyMoor: cp
15:54<EmleyMoor>locklace: I know cp - but what I know gave me a fairly random order
15:54<locklace>why would you care what order the files are copied in
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15:55<EmleyMoor>locklace: Because the final result on a USB stick seems to be picked up in copied order by the other device
15:56<locklace>what
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15:58<EmleyMoor>I put the USB stick in the car and the first track played is the first copied, not the alphabetical first
15:58<Tom__>Emleymoor: You can write a shell script
15:58<Tom__>for i in * ; do cp "$i" destination ; done
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15:59<locklace>relying on that to determine track play order is exceedingly lame
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16:00<simonrvn>emphasis on exceedingly
16:01<EmleyMoor>What would be less so?
16:03<simonrvn>um, by name? :)
16:04<EmleyMoor>simonrvn: Isn't that the same?
16:04<simonrvn>uh, no. order they're copied != by name
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16:05<EmleyMoor>simonrvn: Ah, you mean something like sorting the directories afterwards?
16:05<simonrvn>maybe i misunderstood what was said, but that's what i understood.
16:05<simonrvn>wha' ?</kahnawake accent>
16:06<EmleyMoor>Or do you mean a player option?
16:06<locklace>work out what options your player has for determining play order and use those
16:07<simonrvn>i was commenting on the lameness on that player. as for sorting, ^^^^
16:07<EmleyMoor>I will see what it has
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16:09<r0nin>can a symlink point to two locations?
16:09<EmleyMoor>r0nin: Why would you want it to?
16:09<Tom__>Ronin: No :-), but a hardlink can, as long as it's on the same partition, and this isn't what you're looking for
16:09<r0nin>just wondering, man page doesnt say i cant
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16:10<Tom__>Ronin: I don't know LVM, but can't you just mount the filesystem without starting RAID if you want to rescue files?
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16:11<r0nin>dont know, im setting up a lvm raid now to test it
16:11<r0nin>havent used it before
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16:19<socram>hola
16:19<socram>hello
16:19<socram>How Can i Enter ubuntu servers
16:19<EmleyMoor>!ubuntu
16:19<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
16:20<r0nin>with a knife and luck
16:20<socram>but I have erased Ubuntu servers from my chat list
16:20<r0nin>oh i yanked a drive from my raid 1 and didnt have to chamge anything ;) nice
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16:21<socram>#ubuntu
16:21<Tom__>Ronin: Now you're getting somewhere :-)
16:21<socram>#login ubuntu-es
16:21<socram>na
16:21<Tom__>socram: /server irc.freenode.net
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16:22<Tom__>Ronin: Will you /msg me which Blackberry you're using? :-)
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16:42<EmleyMoor>Just installed fatsort but it can never work
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16:45<salman>I got from a friend an external hardisk (usb) that is not working in windows. I am trying to see if I can mount it in linux and save some of its data. when connected to usb, there noting in dmesg
16:46<petemc> sounds broken
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16:48<jester45>salman, its controller is probably broken
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16:48<cahoot>changed cable?
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16:49<salman>cahoot, no
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16:50<salman>I just checked /proc/partitions and I can only see my local hardisk partitions
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16:50<draggom>rlindofc
16:50<salman>jester45, so it is a door stopper?
16:51<draggom>sou novato, boa tarde
16:51<jester45>salman, if the harddrive has a cable try a different one. i was thinking of a little usb thumb drive
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16:51<jester45>and if a new cable doesnt you *might* be able to open the case and plug the drive directly into your computer
16:52<jester45>new cable doesn't work*
16:52<EmleyMoor>Does fatsort from squeeze work OK if "no / at beginning" entries exist in /etc/mtab?
16:53<jester45>id google the model to see if it contains a "normal" harddrive inside as many do
16:53<salman>jester45, it is a serial ATA, and a small size 'mini?' thing
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16:54<jester45>some have desktop drives inside and other will have a laptop drive in them
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16:56<Tom__>Emley: I've never used fatsort but why do you think the mtab would have anything to do with it?
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17:50<themill>EmleyMoor: I hit against that one the other day too. It's a trivial backport to do if you want ot try it under lenny btw. (if you do, please let me know how it goes)
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18:17<Oak>I have no sound in Debian Squeeze. If I load up MoC, it tells me I have no valid sound driver, though I'm pretty sure I have gstreamer.
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18:23<Frenger>I've just done a fresh install of Debian Testing on my machine (intel i3, 2gb ram) and everything is working fine, but I'm having trouble connecting to the internet. I have both ethernet and wireless hooked up but when I go to Network Settings I have no connections tab.
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18:50<frogaincia>helo
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18:51<frogaincia>theres nobody at #ubuntu
18:51<bja>wrong network
18:51<dr|z3d>!ubuntu
18:51<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
18:52<frogaincia>couldnt buy any gratfull dead songs at ubuntu music store
18:52<frogaincia>sucks
18:52<amphi>frogaincia: http://www.chickenhead.com/stuff/jerry/index.html et seq. may console you somewhat
18:56<frogaincia>who is jerry garcia ?
18:56<bja>fgi
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18:58<frogaincia>this network seem to be pretty debian centric
18:59<frogaincia>i think its ready for necropsys
18:59<bja>What did you expect on irc.debian.net ?
18:59<frogaincia>can see anything going on in here
19:00<bja>yeap lots of people busting their arses so there is noone here to ask for help
19:00<frogaincia>lots of fun and games
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19:00<bja>frogaincia: btw there is an #ubuntu-pt on irc.freenode.net you might feel more at home there
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19:01<frogaincia>what makes you think i want to go there ?
19:02<frogaincia>are you there ?
19:02<frogaincia>why arent you busting your choops like a
19:02<frogaincia>ll the other
19:03<frogaincia>all i see are idlers
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19:03<frogaincia>bots may i dare to say
19:03<frogaincia>fake
19:04<thornomad>i mounted a ssh folder via Places --> Network ... it works great! However, I can't find it via the command line (terminal)? It isn't at /home/thornomad/Desktop/thornomad@server ... or at /mnt or /media ... where is it?!
19:05<amphi>mount with no args doesn't mention it?
19:05<frogaincia>i would like to know how the debian comunity feels about ubuntu stealing thyr spot light ?
19:06<amphi>thornomad: my question was to you, by the way ;)
19:06<frogaincia>seems like everybody is on social networks
19:06<ml|>amphi: he used a gui I think
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19:07<amphi>thornomad: in a terminal, type 'mount' and see if it appears
19:07<thornomad>amphi: i loaded via gui and I don't see it in mount anywhere ... unless it is tmpfs or sysfs or something ...
19:07<bja>thornomad: cat /etc/mtab
19:07<Ste4lth>frogaincia: I think it's fine, Ubuntu didn't really steal their spotlight, just based it off of it.
19:07<amphi>no, it's niether of those
19:08<thornomad>ml|: yea, via the Places --> Network ... I suppose I can get sshfs and run it that way ... it's just the gui is pretty convenient.
19:08<frogaincia>can i use the satanicubuntu repo on debian ?
19:08<ml|>thornomad: do as amphi suggested and/or df -h might show it
19:08<ml|>s/might/should/
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19:09<frogaincia>i think debian is way better then ubuntu noobs
19:10<thornomad>ml|: i tried cat /etc/mtab ... I don't see it ... unless it is hiding
19:10<Ste4lth>It's more technically oriented, rather than the user-friendly Ubuntu.
19:10<ml|>thornomad: 'mount' and or 'df -h'
19:10<Ste4lth>It's actually exactly the same though, if you remove all the apps and the window manager.
19:11<ml|>!ot
19:11<dpkg>Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e. Debian support); imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions.
19:11<thornomad>ml|: with either 'mount' or 'df -h' should the name of my server or something familiar be in there ? because I don't see anything that looks remotely like it ...
19:12<Ste4lth>Sir, it's on-topic.
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19:15<ml|>thornomad: don't how that gui thing works, should use sshfs? so it should show with df -h or mount; then you should see the mountpoint
19:16<nathan>hi, i use iceweasel. And now, when i want to go on any website, iceweasel return a segfault
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19:17<r0nin>ALT 3
19:18<r0nin>sorry, don't mind mei
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19:21<Oak>I have no sound in Debian Squeeze. If I load up MoC, it tells me I have no valid sound driver, though I'm pretty sure I have gstreamer.
19:21<Oak>How can I fix this?
19:22<thornomad>ml|: yea ... that's what I had to fall back on in the past ... was hoping that maybe it was hidden somewhere shadow mounted and I could find it ... sshfs it is
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19:22<frogaincia>isnt debian using alsa ?
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19:23<streuner_>sure, thats what the kernel using as default...
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19:23<Oak>I have alsa as well
19:23<frogaincia>so the sound should work
19:24<Oak>frogaincia: Saying it should doesn't solve anything.
19:24<amphi>!alsa checklist
19:24<dpkg>1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 2) use alsamixer and unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels & toggle jack sense) 3) arts or esound stopped? 4) OSS modules unloaded? 5) speakers on? 6) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 7) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? Test your sound with aplay and a wav so codec issues don't confuse the situation. See also <list alsa users>.
19:24<frogaincia>select alsa
19:24<ml|>thornomad: yes, but what I meant was does that gui thing use sshfs? so finding out how that gui thing works should tell you where it mounts stuff
19:24<r0nin>hmm does raid 1 not replicate the new drive when theres just two and one has to be replaced?
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19:25<frogaincia>real men use raid 0
19:26<r0nin>lol
19:26<Oak>mphi: ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:1010:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave
19:26<Oak>^ aplay
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19:26<Oak>amphi*
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19:28<frogaincia>hail SkyNet_ONE
19:28<SkyNet_ONE>frogaincia,
19:28<SkyNet_ONE>frogaincia, Hi
19:28<frogaincia>thats me
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19:29<SkyNet_ONE>frogaincia, What do you need?
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19:29<adb>!pt-social frogaincia,
19:29<frogaincia>lots of money for ONE
19:30-!-mode/#debian [+l 386] by debhelper
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19:30<SkyNet_ONE>frogaincia, Maybe you need to get a job or change to another one or to win the lotery :)
19:30<frogaincia>i was hoping you to write me a check
19:31<SkyNet_ONE>frogaincia, I can not help you on this
19:31<frogaincia>mabe then we could be friends
19:31<bja>zobel: ping
19:31<ml|>!ot
19:31<dpkg>Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e. Debian support); imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions.
19:31<SkyNet_ONE>frogaincia, I am searching for money right now to buy a house
19:32<frogaincia>whats that got to do with debian ?
19:32<Oak>How do I change the default sound device? I found out that it's defaulting to my microphone.
19:32<frogaincia>is debian a contractor ?
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19:33<frogaincia>the arassment never stops ...
19:33<frogaincia>hail psych787
19:33<adb>!ops frogaincia ... never stops
19:33<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: adb complains about: frogaincia ... never stops
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19:34<psych787>huh
19:34<frogaincia>!ops adb
19:34<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: frogaincia complains about: adb
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19:34<psych787>frog, why did you highlight me?
19:34<frogaincia>your friend as left psych787
19:35<psych787>friend?
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19:35<psych787>did someone impersonate me?
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19:36<ml|>psych787: nvm
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19:37<frogaincia>how many nicks can ypu won on this irc network ?
19:37<psych787>I only have three IRC nicknames: psych787, psych787NX, psych787NX-Pidgin
19:37<streuner_>as many as the server allow
19:38<psych787>The first is used generally. The second is used within a specific community. The third is used within that community to integrate certain users with my buddy list.
19:38<streuner_>well, thats a good reason to call you a troll :-)
19:38<psych787>...
19:38<psych787>Only psych787 should be on this server. If you see anyone else using my name, they're a fraud.
19:38<frogaincia>whats NX stands for ?
19:38<psych787>www.team-nx.com
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19:39<psych787>clantags
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19:40<frogaincia>does cnc run well on debian ?
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19:40<frogaincia>hail skynet
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19:42<frogaincia>lol psych787 you v been demoted
19:42<frogaincia>no longer 2nd in command
19:43<psych787>:o
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19:43<psych787>Oh, you mean on the team.
19:43<frogaincia>looks like a pretty serios clan roflol
19:43<psych787>That is sort of a formality. I never asked nor needed the title of "second in command". My actual rank remains the same.
19:44<psych787>Well, all major APB clans are actually spin-offs of TeamNX, so yes we're serious. ;)
19:44<psych787>Anyway, to answer your question about CnC on debian.
19:45<frogaincia>its not a formality to genesis2001
19:45<psych787>...
19:45<frogaincia>:)
19:45<psych787>there's more to that but its unimportant
19:45<jordanm[titan]>does this have something to do with debian?
19:45<frogaincia>APB
19:45<frogaincia>?
19:45<psych787>ya, I was getting to that
19:45<psych787>yes APB runs on Debina
19:45<psych787>and
19:46-!-nathan [~nathan@ip-141.net-82-216-50.brest.rev.numericable.fr] has quit [Quit: Quitte]
19:46<psych787>The even the dedicated server and bot run under Debian (through Wine), which has allowed me to run it on a $7/mo VPS.
19:46<jordanm[titan]>!- nathan [~nathan@ip-141.net-82-216-50.brest.rev.numericable.fr] has quit [Quit: Quitte]
19:47<psych787>Which makes linux a *huge* cost savings since otherwise it has to run on a $50-200/mo dedicated server
19:47<jordanm[titan]>2010-05-01 19:47 < psych787> The even the dedicated server and bot run under Debian (through Wine), which has allowed me to run it on a $7/mo VPS.
19:47<jordanm[titan]>>> (2010-05-01 19:48) (jordanm[titan][+i]) (10:OFTC/#debian[+clnt]) (365 nicks (@2 %0 +0 363))
19:47<jordanm[titan]>sorry about that, bad clicking...
19:47<psych787>np
19:47<psych787>anyway
19:47<psych787>frog, did you spot someone else in here using my nick?
19:48<frogaincia>you pay for server ?
19:48<frogaincia>roflol
19:48-!-tzafrir_laptop [~tzafrir@bzq-218-155-146.cablep.bezeqint.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
19:48<psych787>That VPS is paid for by our ad revenue.
19:48<psych787>Anyway...
19:48<frogaincia>the new CnC doesnt even let you own a server :)
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19:49<frogaincia>you have to pay EA or sumthing npo ?
19:49<psych787>no
19:49<psych787>C&C4 is an RTS.
19:49<psych787>APB is a mod of Renegade which is an FPS.
19:49-!-Caroll [~caroll@201.21.176.221] has quit [Quit: Saindo]
19:49<psych787>Its a standalone mod, so its free, and EA is cool with that.
19:49<frogaincia>wow ?
19:49<psych787>ya
19:50-!-mode/#debian [+l 379] by debhelper
19:50<frogaincia>you turned an rts into an fps thats no small task
19:50<psych787>no
19:50<psych787>www.apathbeyond.com
19:50<psych787>Its based on C&C renegade like I said which does a similar thing, but much poorer.
19:51<frogaincia>arent there any good fps in this world ?
19:51<psych787>APB is one.
19:51<psych787>Crysis is another.
19:51<psych787>i g2g in a minute btw
19:52<frogaincia>you probable should be better of using quake open source code
19:52<psych787>uh
19:52<psych787>APB has more than once considered other engines
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19:52<frogaincia>crysis sucks
19:52<psych787>Such a switch would do more harm than good. It would waste human resources.
19:52<psych787>That's your opinion... CryEngine 2 is pretty awesome.
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19:53<psych787>If you actually tried out the modding tools and tried modding other games you might agree
19:53<frogaincia>all mil fps suck
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19:54<psych787>well, in any case, I g2g now. cya
19:54<frogaincia>the only one kinda ok is medal of honor
19:54<frogaincia>fear is ok too but not a mil fps
19:55<frogaincia>but the best is quake3
19:55<frogaincia>still the best fps ever
19:55<frogaincia>and it runs on debian
19:55<frogaincia>native
19:56<jordanm[titan]>future steam engine games are rumored to have linux ports
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20:00<frogaincia>if you believe that ...
20:01<jordanm[titan]>frogaincia: they just pulled IE engine stuff out of steam, released a mac os steam client with linux specific code, and the next source engine is to opengl
20:02<frogaincia>they must be pretty desperate
20:02<jordanm[titan]>they have fairly large control over the PC gaming market
20:02<frogaincia>will the games be open sourced ?
20:02<jordanm[titan]>I doubt it
20:03<frogaincia>that would make the aimbots much easier to code
20:03-!-ghyslaine [~ghyslaine@ip250.208-51-69.sogetel.net] has joined #debian
20:03<jordanm[titan]>valve does produce high quality things which they continue to maintain well passed its lifespan
20:04<ghyslaine>hi there! I just installed speakers on my desktop, running under lenny, can't get sound....
20:04<frogaincia>never liked CS
20:04<frogaincia>urban terror is way much better then CS
20:05<jordanm[titan]>!alsa
20:05<dpkg>ALSA is the Advanced Linux Sound Architecture, a project providing device drivers for sound cards. To install, ask me about <install alsa>. See also <alsa-checklist>, <alsa firmware>, <alsa versions>, <alsaconf>. http://wiki.debian.org/ALSA http://www.alsa-project.org/ #alsa on irc.freenode.net.
20:05<frogaincia>its the same dude again
20:05<jordanm[titan]>ghyslaine: try running "alsaconf" as root
20:06<ghyslaine>I did, no success
20:06<jordanm[titan]>ghyslaine: did it detect your card?
20:06<frogaincia>are ou speaker turned on ?
20:06<ghyslaine>jordan: yes it did - actually I get sound, but from inside the computer!
20:07<ghyslaine>frogaincia: yes !
20:08<jordanm[titan]>ghyslaine: modprobe -r pcspkr; that will kill pc speaker sound... try: aplay /usr/share/alsa/speaker-test/sample_map.csv; as root
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20:09<frogaincia>sorry i had to chek ;)
20:10<frogaincia>buy the way that should be in the alsa check list too
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20:10<frogaincia>hail artista_frustrado
20:11<ghyslaine>jordanm[titan]: with aplay, I get a little short sound, coming from the computer, even after doing modprobe -r pcspkr
20:11<frogaincia>artista_frustrado $$
20:12<jordanm[titan]>ghyslaine: run alsamixer. what devices are listed?
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20:14<ghyslaine>jordanm[titan : card: HDA Intel ; chip: Realtek ALC260
20:15<jordanm[titan]>ghyslaine: paste the line for that card from: lscpi -nn
20:16<ghyslaine>jordanm[titan]: I am not sure I understand what you are suggesting?
20:16<frogaincia>http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/02/magazine/02self-measurement-t.html?pagewanted=all
20:17<jordanm[titan]>ghyslaine: run lscpi -nn, then paste the line that is for your sound device. if you can't figure out which one just pastebin the entire output
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20:18<ghyslaine>OK, you had made a little typo mistake I think....lspci, not lscpi
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20:19<ghyslaine>00:1b.0 Audio device [0403]: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller [8086:27d8] (rev 01)
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20:20<jordanm[titan]>ghyslaine: that shouldn't have any problems..
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20:20<jordanm[titan]>,pciid 8086:27d8
20:20<judd>[8086:27d8] is 'N10/ICH 7 Family High Definition Audio Controller' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel module 'snd-hda-intel' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:27d8 and the out-of-tree 'snd-hda-intel' module.
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20:21<jordanm[titan]>ghyslaine: is your user a member of the audio group?
20:22<ghyslaine>jordanm titan: there is only one user on the computer, but how can I check what you are saying?
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20:23<jordanm[titan]>ghyslaine: getent group | grep audio
20:24<ghyslaine>jordanm: I think it is OK: audio:x:29:ghyslaine
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20:25<jordanm[titan]>ghyslaine: lsmod | egrep 'snd_hda_intel|pcspkr'
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20:28<ghyslaine>http://debian.pastebin.com/U6CERYLx
20:29<ghyslaine>jordanm: sorry, here is the full output: http://debian.pastebin.com/mef8QBTp
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20:38<Allanis>Heya.
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20:50<ghyslaine>jordanm: any other suggestions?
20:51<frogaincia>. Do we really feel better when a computer pats us on the back? Yes, we do.
20:51<frogaincia>roflol
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20:53<charles>hi guys, i need a bit help on adding a new Ubuntu screensaver
20:53<charles>i have all the files and exe in place but the screen saver perference selection list is not updating
20:54<adb>charles, ask #ubuntu on irc.freenode.net
20:54<frogaincia>are you using satanicubuntu ?
20:55<frogaincia>http://ubuntusatanic.org/
20:55<charles>thanks
20:55<frogaincia>can i satanize my debian too ?
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20:56<frogaincia>mabey i need to use the older version the new one for 10.04 seemed to need alot of work
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21:03<frogaincia>i need to make a donation to freenode so they will unban me there
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21:04<frogaincia>mabey they will even get me a cloak
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21:04<AdamO>Huh... Ages since I used IRC
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21:09<AdamO>I'm playing around with the kernel and after saving my new config and fakerooting make-kpkg I got gazillion questions some of which were the same as in menuconfig and some were marked wrong (not what I've chosen in menuconfig). Anyone willing to shed a bit of light on that flood of questions I'm getting?
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21:13<frogaincia>#kernelnewbies
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21:14<AdamO>Ohh... What a slap in a face. I guess I deserved it. Thanks ;)
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21:15<Frenger>I'm having trouble using my computer's wireless card after a fresh install of Debian Testing. Ethernet works fine but my wireless card isn't recognized by default (it was with Ubuntu/various other distros I tested) and installing the drivers with ndiswrapper did nothing. The card is a linksys 802.11g PCI adapter
21:16<AdamO>I can't wait to see the answer to that one :)
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21:17<Frenger>Same here, I'm tired of sitting on the floor thanks to my short ethernet cable
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21:17<wing>is it normal for a package to take HOURS to build??
21:17<sney>if it's xorg or openoffice or something, but otherwise no
21:17<psych787>@wing If the package is huge, yes.
21:18<sney>Frenger: what chip is it? linksys doesn't mean much
21:18<psych787>Generally, if you're dealing with a package that's large, consider yourself lucky its build process hasn't crashed yet...
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21:19<wing>alright
21:19<Frenger>This is the wireless card: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833124115&cm_re=linksys_wmp54g-_-33-124-115-_-Product
21:19<psych787>@Frenger I had that same wireless card before.
21:20<sney>psych787: happen to remember what chip it was? heh
21:20<sney>Frenger: lspci |grep -i net
21:20<psych787>bwm43xx or something
21:20<psych787>however
21:20<psych787>Three things: 1) Note carefully which revision of the chip you have (there are several).
21:20<sney>linksys changes their minds more often than I change my socks
21:20<psych787>2) If you have the right revision all you need is the firmware.
21:21<psych787>3) If you have the right revision you can even get the card into monitor mode! :D
21:21<sney>yeah, it's almost definitely going to just be a firmware thing here
21:21<Frenger>let me check
21:22<frogaincia>whats monitor mode?
21:22<psych787>Monitor mode = packet sniffing
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21:23<frogaincia>does it reduce lag wile playing CnC ?
21:23<psych787>no
21:23<psych787>It means you can tell what your neighbor is doing, crack wep stuff, etc.
21:24<Frenger>lspci |grep -i net gives me: 04:01.0 Network Controller RaLink RT2561?RT61 802.11g PCI
21:24<Frenger>oops, that ? is a /
21:24<psych787>that can't be right
21:24<frogaincia>no body uses wep
21:24<Frenger>yeah...
21:24<psych787>Linksys WMP54G is broadcom
21:24<psych787>And 5 of my neighbors use WEP...
21:25<sney>psych787: heh, remember, linksys will just use whatever chip they feel like using
21:25<frogaincia>so its just like read hem and wep ?
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21:26<psych787>Once you have the WEP keys, you can use them in Wireshark. I only tested it, I didn't actually go for anything I didn't own though.
21:26<sney>Frenger: check your PMs
21:26<Frenger>I just got that
21:26<psych787>@sney Ya, looks like Linksys sucks bad if they're using RaLink now. They used to at least stick to the broadcom stuff.
21:27<frogaincia>and none would be the wiser ?
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21:27<Frenger>Broadcom is better? I remember spending hours trying to get wifi to work on my old powerbook with a broadcom card to no avail
21:28<sney>broadcom the company used to disregard linux completely so it was impossible to get drivers
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21:28<sney>the software support is better now, but there isn't really a *good* wifi adapter company, everything has issues
21:29<psych787>Boradcom has been better for a while now.
21:29<frogaincia>what issues ?
21:29<psych787>It used to be you had to use ndiswrapper. Those days are long gone...
21:30<sney>not every wifi adapter has support for every 802.11 feature under linux. it's all a work in progress. and probably more than half of the adapters require non-free firmware
21:30<frogaincia>i have a laptop that sometimes doesnt boot the screen keeps black why is it ?
21:30<Frenger>how long? I tried like 6 months ago when i first got in to linux and couldn't even get ndiswraper to work
21:30<frogaincia>other times boots just fine
21:30<psych787>@Frenger I think a few years actually...
21:30<frogaincia>what could be the problem ?
21:31<psych787>@frog You may have a conflicting driver (eg. vga_agp). Google is your friend in that case.
21:31<frogaincia>driver ?
21:31<frogaincia>it doesnt show anything
21:32<psych787>lsmod
21:32<frogaincia>it just dosent boot the screen stays all black and the
21:32<psych787>oh
21:32<psych787>you may need to set your kernel's VESA mode then
21:32<frogaincia>what is it ?
21:33<frogaincia>no kernel
21:33<psych787>...
21:33<psych787>no kernel?
21:33<sney>I bet it's just a hardware issue
21:33<psych787>how can it do anything then?
21:33<frogaincia>some times it boots fine
21:33<sney>some old laptops develop a weak connection between the motherboard and screen after endless open and closes
21:33<psych787>sney is probably right
21:34<psych787>its a bad connection somewhere
21:34<frogaincia>but the HDD lights just dosent show anything booting
21:34<psych787>hmm
21:34<sney>hardware something, anyway
21:34<psych787>can you get to the machine over the network after a few minutes when the screen is 'broken' ?
21:34<frogaincia>no
21:34<frogaincia>can it be the bios ?
21:35<psych787>Not likely.
21:35<frogaincia>ram ?
21:35<psych787>Possibly.
21:35<psych787>However
21:35<frogaincia>what ?
21:35<sney>run memtest86 to test the ram
21:35<psych787>if it was of that nature you'd probably get more consistent problems
21:35<frogaincia>dose the computer need ram to show something on the screen ?
21:35<psych787>My expectation would be failure of basic components (capacitors) or a connector (bad solder heating up).
21:36<psych787>yes
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21:36<Frenger>I have another question I forgot to ask earlier. The first time I installed Debian (a few hours ago) I provided a root password and created a user account with a seperate password as usual but whenever I tried 'sudo command' I was not authorized to use sudo. I could however authorize root in the software center for example. I tried another install and left the root password blank and then I was able to use sudo, but unable to authentic
21:36<Frenger>ate myself as root. How can I set it up to have a root acct with a pw and also a normal user capable of using sudo? This came up just now when I am not authorized to edit /etc/apt/sources.list
21:37<frogaincia>i hope it dies soon engough so i can get another one
21:37<sney>add yourself to the sudo group, frenger
21:37<Frenger>how do I do that?
21:37<sney>usermod -a -G sudo username, or there might be some gui for it
21:38<frogaincia>can it be a virus ?
21:38<psych787>no
21:38<frogaincia>how can you be sure ?
21:38<psych787>Not unless the virus attacks hardware. Few if any are designed to overclock or otherwise screw up hardware.
21:39<sney>and even fewer infect something that's not windows
21:39<psych787>For one thing, such viruses would be hardware specific.
21:39<psych787>ya
21:39<frogaincia>chernobil
21:39<psych787>there are practically no linux viruses
21:39<psych787>...
21:39<frogaincia>it fucked up the bios
21:39<sney>heh, chernobyl virus was like 10 years ago buddy
21:39<frogaincia>ther might be some new one
21:40<Frenger>what was the chernobyl virus?
21:40<frogaincia>wikipedia ?
21:40<sney>win98 vintage nasty thing, used dos holes to put bad data on anything it could
21:40<psych787>@frog there are *no* linux viruses in the wild...
21:40<frogaincia>the laptop isnt linux
21:41<adb>psych787, try fro + TAB ..
21:41<frogaincia>i tryed linux on it once and bluetoth stoped working
21:41<psych787>adb ... what?
21:42<frogaincia>no need for virus in linux ...
21:42<Frenger>what didn't work with bluetooth?
21:42<frogaincia>the hardwaer
21:42<frogaincia>it dosent work anymore bluetoth got pwned buy linux
21:43<Frenger>How long ago did you try?
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21:43<adb>psych787, instead @frog try fro + TAB
21:43<frogaincia>its was before suse was bout by novel
21:43<frogaincia>9 something ?
21:44<frogaincia>i think
21:44<psych787>adb: oh
21:44<adb>;)
21:44<Frenger>I think bluetooth support has gotten better since then, I've never used suse though.
21:45<psych787>Frenger: I'm using Bluetooth right now... its rather easy to set up for some things actually. Just need to find a good tutorial for what you want to do, and steer clear of pulse audio.
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21:46<frogaincia>i really dont get whats this thing with audio on linux ?!
21:47<adb>frogaincia, on ubuntu , i guess ..
21:47<frogaincia>theres lots of stuff trying to pwn audio
21:48<frogaincia>isnt pulse audio KDE ?
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21:48<frogaincia>nvm who cares
21:48<frogaincia>i remeber that arts sucked
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21:51<frogaincia>now im just using win7 because it said on the mother board box that it was recomended
21:52<frogaincia>i might lose the warranty
21:52<Frenger>When I build my computer I didn't open the instructions on the motherboard. It took me 15 mintues to have Ubuntu up and running after the build was complete.
21:52<frogaincia>if i sticked linux in
21:52<Frenger>I don't think so.
21:53<frogaincia>it was writen on the MB box
21:53<psych787>pulse audio is NOT kde. KDE uses Jack or something, and that was before phonon came along...
21:53<Frenger>That you void your warranty if you use an OS other than windows?
21:54<frogaincia>of course
21:54<psych787>Pulse audio is a complicated plugin architecture. Given ALSA has plugin abilties of its own, which are much more compatible with various applications, pulse audio is nothing but a disaster...
21:54<Frenger>What kind of motherboard was that?
21:55<frogaincia>i usually just install linux on loder box to see if they can bit the dust
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21:55<frogaincia>pretty much any mother board recomends windows or says that its linux ready
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21:56<frogaincia>i mean windows 7 ready
21:56<Frenger>My motherboard box doesn't mention operating systems anywhere on it.
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22:01<frogaincia>whats your mother board Frenger ?
22:01<Frenger>Gigabyte H55M-S2H
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22:04<frogaincia>http://www.asus.com/ContentPage.aspx?Content_Type=staticwebpage&Content_Id=26
22:04<frogaincia>mine is win7 certified
22:05<frogaincia>linux you have dl a pdf ...
22:05<Frenger>I never intended to run windows on mine.
22:06<frogaincia>so your board is linux certified ?
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22:07<Frenger>I don't know. My board doesn't mention operating systems on the box or in the manual. Why does it need certification when linux rins fine on it?
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22:12<frogaincia>if you are so sure ..
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22:12<frogaincia>it might not endure as many ears as if it was running windows ...
22:13<Frenger>I don't think that has anything to do with it. Storage conditions, temperature, cleaning all affect how long it will last but I don't think the OS has much to do with it.
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22:14<frogaincia>as a mater of fact most if not all the board on the pdf seem to be intel
22:14<frogaincia>i mean intell cpus
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22:15<gsimmons>dpkg: tell Frenger -about WMP54G
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22:16<Frenger>thank you, where might it say what hardware version I have?
22:16<frogaincia>hail lucascoala
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22:16<frogaincia>lucascoala is my big brother
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22:18<frogaincia>nice proxies in brasil
22:19<frogaincia>brasil pwns
22:20<gsimmons>Frenger: Based on your previous lspci output, you have hardware version 4.1.
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22:23<Frenger>thanks. I'm going to try to add the firmware now
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22:27<Frenger>I'm having trouble editing the sources.list file to get the non free firmware. The file is read only despite the face that I am root and added myself to the sudo group via "usermod -a -G sudo username"
22:29<adb>maybe your system is mounted in read-only
22:30<Frenger>I was able to edit it with nano from a root terminal
22:30<Frenger>never did that before though :o
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22:35<adb>you have to start somewhere :)
22:35<Frenger>Ok I've edited sources.list with non-free, aptitude update, aptidude upgrade, aptitude install firmware-ralink
22:35<Frenger>everything seemed to have worked
22:36<sney>modprobe rt61pci
22:36<Frenger>as root?
22:36<sney>yep
22:37<gsimmons>The module should already be loaded, the firmware will be loaded to the device when the radio is activated.
22:38<Frenger>when I try modprobe rt61pci I get nothing, it's just goes down a line as if I pressed enter
22:38<Frenger>gsimmons: what radio?
22:40<gsimmons>Frenger: The one in your wireless LAN device. Configure the wireless interface as per http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse
22:41<sney>when you get nothing from modprobe, that means it worked
22:41<Frenger>what is modprobe, just so I know?
22:41<sney>it inserts a module into the running kernel. a module is basically analogous to a driver.
22:42<Frenger>Ok
22:43<Frenger>Sorry if this question is silly, but when I try 'iwconfig' in a normal terminal (username@debian:~$) I get Bash: iwconfig: Command not found
22:43<frogaincia>its to install restricted drivers
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22:46<frogaincia>you got love the internet it has made the world so much better
22:47<frogaincia>and smaller too
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22:55<Frenger>I am still stuck. I've installed network-manger-gnome as per (http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse) but when I enter it and go to wireless no connections show up. nothing shows up under wired either, desite the fact that I'm on the web via ethernet right now
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23:10<Frenger>Hooray!
23:10<Frenger>I'm connected to the internet wirelessly!
23:11<Frenger>After all that work I thought it would never work, then I realized I never logged out and back in again. Lo and behold after that wireless connected automatically
23:11<Frenger>Thanks to everyone in here for your help. I think I'll be around more often to learn stuff.
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23:17<SIETE>hola
23:17<SIETE>hello
23:17<Frenger>hello
23:18<SIETE>do you speak spanis?
23:18<adb>!es-social SIETE
23:18<dpkg>SIETE: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador por favor ingresa al canal social de #debian-es con /join #debian-es-cachondeo. Tus amigos probablemente ya esten ahi.
23:19<SIETE>gracias
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23:21<Frenger>Just one trivial problem after all that wireless stuff. When I logged back in the Debian Software Center disappeared from the System -> Administration menu. Everything else is in place though.
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23:35<adb>Frenger, try to run alacarte , as user , and check some Items (as Debian)
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23:44<edbian>How can I check my system / processor temp via cli??
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23:49<adb>cat /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/TZ00/temperature
23:50<edbian>adb, My /.../thermal_zone is empty
23:51<adb>lsmod | grep th
23:51<adb>modprobe thermal
23:51<adb>modprobe thermal-sys
23:52<adb>and again > lsmod | grep th
23:52<edbian>adb, lsmod | grep th returns thermal 15228 0, processor 23567 2 thermal, and thermal_sys 10856 3 thermal,processor,fan
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23:56<adb>weel seems ok , still wonder why thermal_zone is empty ..
23:57<adb>edbian, uname -r , says
23:57<adb>?
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23:58<edbian>adb, I'm on 2.6.26-2-686
23:58<adb>same here
23:58<edbian>Don't fret about it. I got distracted there. I didn't modprobe those modules yet.
23:58<edbian>I have to stop working on this now though. I'll give it a shot another time
23:58<edbian>Thanks for the help. I was hoping for a real quick solution
23:58<edbian>:)
23:58<adb>non needs , they are ok
23:59<adb>yw
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