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00:07<ghyslaine>hi there -- looking for an easy way to tile windows, I'm using lenny with gnome
00:08<bja>xmonad, ion3, awesome, and a bunch of others
00:08<ghyslaine>I did quite a bit of googling and looking around, but there does not seem to be a consensus on the best program for that
00:09<Xenguy>ghyslaine: interesting question, I'm not aware of such a thing - maybe because we have 'workspaces' in linux ?
00:11<ghyslaine>Xenguy: workspaces don't allow to see 2 things at once....quite useful, quite often....
00:11<Xenguy>ghyslaine: meh, perhaps, thought I have not personally found that function to be a burning need in my experience
00:12<Xenguy>time to turn in ?
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00:19<raylu>ghyslaine: of course there's no consensus. add dwm to the list. i use xmonad at the moment
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00:19<Xenguy>ghyslaine: maybe awesome should go on your list (never tried it, but heard about it) ?
00:20<raylu>00:08:28 bja> xmonad, ion3, awesome, and a bunch of others
00:20<Xenguy>there ya go
00:20<Xenguy>can't be everywhere at once in IRC you know :P
00:20<ghyslaine>thanks guys
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00:21<raylu>oh, also, ratpoison
00:21<bja>don't forget twm
00:21<Xenguy>someday I have to actually try these minimalist WMs
00:21<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, lxde is Lightweight X11 Desktop Environment, available for Debian since Lenny. To get LXDE, ask me about <install lxde>. #lxde on
00:22<bja>Xenguy: they are not minimalistic, its just a different way of doing the same thing
00:22<bja>they can get prety complex
00:22<Xenguy>bja: of course they are minimalistic
00:22<bja>tty is minimalistic
00:22<Xenguy>bja: OK, definitions
00:24<aiux>light WM
00:24<Xenguy>gah, sleep calls, good night all
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00:26<ghyslaine>raylu: does xmonad install like compiz?
00:27<aiux>ghyslaine, /j #xmonad
00:27<raylu>ghyslaine: xmonad doesn't play nice with gnome without significantly more tinkering, so no
00:27<raylu>and i belive #xmonad's channel is on freenode, not her
00:27<aiux>here too ;)
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00:28<raylu>anyway, there is a GnomeConfig preset if you're like me and want to keep gnome-panel. most people do away with it, though
00:29<bja>raylu: so it is xmonda evangelization time ?
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00:30<raylu>it would be if i understood what any of my config did :P
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01:34<Guest110>Just a quick question
01:34<Guest110>Linux eurasum 2.6.26-2-686 #1 SMP Tue Mar 9 17:35:51 UTC 2010 i686 GNU/Linux
01:34<Guest110>eurasum:/opt/vmware-server-distrib# grep "model name" /proc/cpuinfo
01:34<Guest110>model name : AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 3800+
01:35<Guest110>why is my 64 bit processor working on a 32bit arch when I used the AMD64 installer
01:35<Guest110>what did I do wrong?
01:36<sney>you must have downloaded the 686 installer by accident
01:36<sney>the amd64 installer doesn't have any 686 stuff on it .... or maybe you got the multiarch installer and selected 686
01:38<Guest110>yes your right
01:38<Guest110> Debian GNU/Linux testing "Lenny" - Official RC i386 BC Binary-1
01:38<Guest110>from the README.txt on the cd
01:38<Guest110>my bad :)
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01:39<sney>there are no real-world performance differences unless you have 3.5GiB+ of ram anyway
01:40<Killadaninja>auto wlan1
01:40<Killadaninja>iface wlan1 inet dhcp
01:40<Killadaninja>Lol was worth a shot
01:40<phobot>I know but I dl-ed a 64 bit source and it failed miserably
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01:43<Killadaninja>Is it even possible to bridge 2 WNICS Whilst implementing dhcp?
01:48<Killadaninja>Setting up a Rouge, with no external wired connection?
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01:59<kanpuriscool>hi everyone
02:00<kanpuriscool>iam facing issues fixing broken dependencies
02:01<kanpuriscool>heres the error
02:01<sney>try with aptitude, it will give you options
02:01<kanpuriscool>i got this when i ran apt-get upgrade --fix-broken as root
02:01<Scynix>Would someone be so kind as to explain "1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list" to me, please? Does it mean a normal deb line, like " sid main" ?
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02:02<sney>Scynix: no, it means a deb-src line. like deb-src sid main
02:03<sney>kanpuriscool: just do aptitude safe-upgrade and it'll give you some choices to fix the broken packages
02:03<Scynix>Thanks, sney.
02:03<kanpuriscool>sney: thanks, aptitude is downloading/removing packages now...hope it fixes it
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02:33<kanpuriscool>sney:hi i get the following error on running aptitude...Processing was halted because there were too many errors.
02:33<kanpuriscool>Press return to continue.
02:34<sney>need more detais
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02:37<kanpuriscool>ok, just a sec, any commands i should run?
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02:41<phobot>are you trying to dist-upgrade?
02:42<sney>wow, that is seriously broken
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02:47<phobot>been there done that!
02:47<kanpuriscool>i am hoping that there is a way to fix it without having to re-install ?
02:47<phobot>we'll do our best :)
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02:50<phobot>ok try to upgrade apt aptitude and dpkg before running dist-upgrade
02:50<phobot>or w8
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02:51<kanpuriscool>phobot: ok, iam not trying to upgrade, this happened because i mixed up different repositories
02:51<phobot>so what release do you want to run?
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02:54<phobot>do you have a /etc/apt/preferences file?
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02:55<kanpuriscool>i checked, i dont have one
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02:57<kanpuriscool>so i'll make this in /etc/apt/ ?
02:57<kanpuriscool>ok, just a sec
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03:00<kanpuriscool>apt-get update now?
03:00<phobot>aptitude full-upgrade
03:00<phobot>and prey
03:01<phobot>to the aptitude of course :D
03:02<kanpuriscool>hehe...i wont end up with squeeze after the upgrade right?
03:02<kanpuriscool>i want it to stay lenny
03:03<kanpuriscool>its on its way now...i've my fingers crossed
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03:09<phobot>well as seen in the preferences file testing (lenny) is top priority
03:09<phobot>followed by stable and then unstable
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03:10<phobot>kanpuriscool, any errors so-far?
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03:11<ml|>testing = squeeze atm
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03:16<phobot>just curios how is the youngest here?
03:17<phobot>anybody how's online give your approximate age
03:18<phobot>I'm 20
03:19<kanpuriscool>phobot:Testing is Squeeze, Lenny is stable
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03:20<kanpuriscool>phobot: no errors so far, its busy downloading all sorts of packages....
03:20<phobot>no matter the preferences file uses Stable,Testing and Unstable
03:20<phobot>no matter of the code name that is what you get :)
03:21<phobot>I haven't slept in a while sorry for the dumb mistake :)
03:22<kanpuriscool>nah its ok...i guess it selects whatevers lenny gets selectd anyway
03:23<kanpuriscool>its done downloading
03:23<kanpuriscool>i still get the same error when i run synaptic
03:23<kanpuriscool>80 broken packages
03:23<phobot>well according to the config it should be using Testing
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03:35<kanpuriscool>is there something else we could try?
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---Logclosed Mon May 03 03:53:27 2010
---Logopened Mon May 03 03:55:10 2010
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03:58<phobot>kanpuriscool, is it done?
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04:00<Guest128>is there some way I can make a launcher that runs a shell script, but doesn't open up terminal
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04:02<bret>right click on desktop and choose application not application in terminal
04:03<bret>then type the command for the app
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04:33<xiangfu>Hi I lost my PGP key. which is used in
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04:34<amitz>you're lucky I still have yours.
04:34<amitz>kidding :-p
04:35<xiangfu>I want generate a new one. but I can not find the document? how to generate and upload a new one to debian ??
04:35<xiangfu>I am back to work on my Debian package again. :-)
04:35<xiangfu>amitz, :-)
04:36<@zobel>xiangfu: first you should revoke your old one
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04:37<xiangfu>zobel. thanks. let me search the document first :-) how to revoke
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04:37<@zobel>ah. no
04:37<xiangfu>thanks zobel
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04:39<kanpuriscool>phobot: i was away...its not done, aptitude full-upgrade didnt work
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04:40<@zobel>xiangfu: better:
04:41<phobot>a shit
04:41<phobot>post ne errors
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04:41<phobot>ne = the
04:42<kanpuriscool>yup just a sec
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04:45<kanpuriscool>massively broken!
04:47<phobot>exactly 666 lines
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04:49<phobot>libc6-i686: PreDepends: libc6 (= 2.7-6) but 2.7-18lenny1 is installed.
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04:52<phobot>just realized something....
04:53<phobot>just for a check
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04:53<phobot>what repos do you have in sources.list currently
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04:53<phobot>maybe stable only?
04:55<kanpuriscool>i only have stable
04:56<phobot>and the hole mixup began because you used the wrong repo before?
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04:57<phobot>what repo was that?
04:57<kanpuriscool>i didn't do it myself, but the person using this computer was trying to install VirtualBox
04:58<kanpuriscool>and looks like he added the wrong repos
04:58<kanpuriscool>what if i comment out testing and stable from /etc/apt/preferences
04:58<kanpuriscool>and then run aptitude full-upgrade
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04:59<xiangfu>zobel, Hi I found my backup .gnupg. :-) the key is back, thanks anyway :-) (happy :-)
04:59<phobot>with the stable repos in the sources list i assume nothing will happen
05:00<xiangfu>another question. I have two projects. (like two folder, each folder have the ) if that easy to package those two projects to one debian package.
05:00<phobot>I think you shoud reverese the numbers of the testing and stable
05:00<phobot>to fix my mistake and try aptitude -f full-upgrade
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05:01<kanpuriscool>ok tried that
05:01<kanpuriscool>still the same
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05:02<phobot>tried what the comment thing or the reverse of the numbers thing?
05:03<kanpuriscool>'to fix my mistake and try aptitude -f full-upgrade' i tried thid
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05:07<AcePreshaw>helo im wanting to instal wiw out bbig on the net
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05:09<phobot>ok kanpuriscool what repository was added for the installation of virtual box?
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05:10<phobot>the backports?
05:12<kanpuriscool>i think so
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05:16<phobot>so was anything upgraded after the backports were added or just installed and removed the backport repo
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05:19<kanpuriscool>is there a way i could check? i wasnt present while all this happened...iam trying to put this back together without reinstalling the OS
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05:19<kanpuriscool>thanks for being patient phobot
05:19<phobot>no worries m8
05:20<phobot>i think if we tweak the preferences file we can remove the backport packages
05:20<phobot>w8 for a sec
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05:36<dpkg>somebody said ops was Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the ops to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban.
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05:50<guy_69>whois guy_69
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06:03<Lantizia>Hey if were to make a soft raid when installing debian (raid 1) then can I make 1 of the 2 disks hot swappable?
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06:05<phobot>I'm not 100% sure but I think hotswaping is a hardware thing
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06:08<darrob>Lantizia: i highly doubt that. you would have to --fail and --remove it before you can (actually) remove it. when you re-add it later it will have to go through a very lengthy rebuilding process. AFAIK.
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06:22<handjob>Hi. How can i check user's password as a root?
06:23<locklace>you can't
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06:23<handjob>Are You 100% sure?
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06:45<phobot>ok I'm trying to upgrade a fresh lenny install to squeeze
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06:46<phobot>edited sources.list
06:47<phobot>to this
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06:48<phobot>and trying to "aptitude install apt dpkg aptitude" I receive a error
06:49<phobot>The following packages have unmet dependencies:
06:49<phobot> aptitude: Depends: libapt-pkg-libc6.7-6-4.6 which is a virtual package.
06:49<phobot> libept0: Depends: libapt-pkg-libc6.7-6-4.6 which is a virtual package.
06:49<phobot>libapt-pkg-libc.... is a virtual package that comes with apt
06:49<phobot>so what am I doing wrong
06:50<phobot>no ideas?
06:51<themill>dpkg: tell phobot about bat
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06:53<phobot>currently i have removed the contrib and non-free parts of the sources files and will try again
06:53<phobot>guess it's not that
06:54<handjob>I installed xserver-xorg-core and openbox. What do i need to do in order to get into x?
06:54<handjob>Didn't worked.
06:55<phobot>have you installed xorg
06:55<phobot>a long with xserver-xorg-core
06:55<handjob>No i have not.
06:55<handjob>Thank You for imput.
06:56<ml|>phobot: provide the info 'bat' factiod told you and /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze
06:57<phobot>working on it :)
06:57<handjob>What is the difference between xorg and xserver-xorg-core?
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07:01<EmleyMoor>Other than amarok, what MP3 collection players are thereL
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07:08<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... same behaviour from rhythmbox - only seeing first disc of multi-disc sets
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07:12<rudi_s>EmleyMoor: mpd
07:12<phobot>tried to follow dpkg's instructions but still noting
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07:14<themill>phobot: you appear to be missing a primary mirror for squeeze. Can you pastebin the output of "aptitude update"
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07:17<themill>phobot: ok, so what does "apt-cache policy apt dpkg aptitude" say now?
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07:19<phobot>new pastebin?
07:19<themill>might be easier, yes
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07:19<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... it seems I've reached some kind of "limit" - as the top of my collection is fine
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07:21<EmleyMoor>Got one it's only got the *second* disc of
07:22<phobot>is it possible that my repo is old?
07:23<themill>phobot: I'm not liking the look of what's coming off that mirror.... just try another one
07:23<EmleyMoor>Some of what came before that are fine
07:24<EmleyMoor>Ah, found
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07:26<phobot>themill, it worked
07:27<themill>phobot: excellent.
07:27<handjob>I have fresh squeez/sid installation. What repos should i add to install firefox with apt?
07:27<phobot>i used
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07:27<themill>dpkg: tell handjob about iceweasel
07:27<handjob>I don't want iceweasel i want firefox.
07:27<phobot>firefox's license in uncomputable with debian's open source policy
07:28<phobot>use iceweasel :D
07:28<phobot>it's the same thing!
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07:28<handjob>Ok i will try it out.
07:28<phobot>all the plug-ins work and everything
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07:30<handjob>How can i check version of package in repositories using apt?
07:31<Yoda`Taff>aptitude show package
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07:32<handjob>I don't like aptitude. Ok i found it out. Thank You anyway.
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07:37<mjk>Not sure anymore, if this was in Debian, but: Anyone knows the 2D game where 2 players try to color planets (and their moons) of various sizes? It uses only black as background, white for unoccupied planets and 2 colors for occupation by the appropriate player.
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07:43<handjob>Gentleman, can You recomend my some trays?
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07:51<pandemicfox>is there any way to test for a bad motherboard ?
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07:54<locklace>pandemicfox: boot
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07:55<amitz>pandemicfox: boot and hear the beep signal. Second thing is stress test but the result won't be reliable.
07:56<pandemicfox>i hear beep lots actually but after 3 reinstalls my computer works so idk what it is
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07:57<amitz>you mean it no longer beeps when starting but before entering grub/lilo? the number of beeps and lengths indicate the problem.
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07:58<pandemicfox>after the log in screen i don't get beeps , i guess i'll have to count the number of beeps then
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07:58<amitz>assuming you have relatively high opportunity cost, you may be better of sending your pc to you local repair shop or buy a new pc.
07:59<thrice>hi; using sid, I attempted installing openoffice, which asked for a version of ure (1.6.1) that does not seem to exist anywhere. I don't see any bugs (yet), but find it strange noone would attempt to install OOo :> am I missing something?
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07:59<pandemicfox>my local chop is tiger direct i think they will get freak out by debian :(
08:01<amitz>pandemicfox: just do what we usually do, replace it with windows for now ;-), assuming you have licensed copy :-p
08:02<amitz>Because after identifying the beep, you will then have to find out the bios, and google the meaning of that beep.
08:02<pandemicfox>i see
08:03<amitz>beep is bios specific. ugly stuff and I'm beginning to be debian OOT so I'll have to shut up now :-p
08:03<pandemicfox>lol ok
08:04<pandemicfox>ty amitz
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08:21<newdebuser>hi guys
08:23<newdebuser>i'm using debian lenny, is there is nice text based game, cyberpunk-style (not nethack) ?
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08:29<locklace>!es-social pablito
08:29<dpkg>pablito: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador por favor ingresa al canal social de #debian-es con /join #debian-es-cachondeo. Tus amigos probablemente ya esten ahi.
08:29<pablito>si necesito ayuda
08:29<pablito>con mi ordenador
08:30<locklace>pablito: hablan ingles o salir
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08:31<pablito>Hello my computer is not open
08:31<centyx>How can I quickly produce a list of installed obsoleted packaged?
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08:32<pablito>locklace estas ay??
08:32<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat
08:33<locklace>centyx: aptitude search ~o
08:33<Emmanuel_Chanel>the bug of apache, that directory index + multiviews + includes shows empty pages is corrected on squeeze?
08:33<centyx>locklace: thanks
08:33<pablito>si asi esta mejor
08:34<pablito>oye de donde sois??
08:34<pablito>yo de galicia
08:34<pablito>pero esto esta por todo el mundo??
08:34<pablito>o solo por españa
08:34<pablito>o por europa??
08:34<locklace>pablito: hablan ingles aqui o tu sera expulsado
08:35<pablito>respondeme please
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08:42<Emmanuel_Chanel>Is fixed on squeeze?
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08:50<thrice>hi :>
08:50<themill>!ubuntu-es pablito
08:50<dpkg>pablito: Ubuntu esta basado en Debian, pero no es Debian, y dificilmente tendra los estandares de Debian. Solo Debian es soportado en #debian. Por favor conectese a #ubuntu-es en Ahi recibira mas soporte.
08:51<themill>centyx: aptitude search ~o
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08:54<pablito>oid en #debian-es no hay nadie
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08:55<thrice>pablito, try on the network :)
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08:55<pablito>esque no me sale......
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08:56<Emmanuel_Chanel>ok. I found that the apache2 of squeeze will be up-to-date.
08:56<pablito>I don understand
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08:57<pablito>I don´t understand
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09:00<pablito>seguis hay??
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09:01<jmm>donde esta el social club ?
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09:03<sandhiya>some of my folders are getting displayed in linux but not in windows how to solvw this
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09:09<MrCPlusPlus>Hi guys! Is it possible to list of dependencies of packages retrievable using apt-get? I want to check which dependencies that's required by qt4-qmake
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09:11<onur>MrCPlusPlus: you can see in aptitude
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09:13<\3TATUK1>Can anyone suggest a good frame-by-frame video editor?
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09:15<onur>MrCPlusPlus: or you can do aptitude search '?depends(qt4-qmake)'
09:17<MrCPlusPlus>onur: Thanks, but it seems like I get a list of dependencies which in turn has dependencies that doesn't show :( is it possible to show several levels of dependencies?
09:18<thrice>upon upgrading to sid, why would debian install libboost-iostreams1.42.0 as a new package, when I have libboost-iostreams1.40.0, which is not required by any other package on the system ?
09:18<ansgar>MrCPlusPlus: Maybe debtree.
09:19<thrice>or, why would debian not want to uninstall the old version on its own, if it's no longer required? I did not explicitely install this package
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09:22<MrCPlusPlus>ansgar: sorry, is that a package? or perhaps an argument for a certain tool?
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09:23<ansgar>MrCPlusPlus: It's the debtree program from the debtree package.
09:23<jordanm[titan]>thrice: did you already try: aptitude why <package>?
09:24<thrice>jordanm[titan], yes, and the old 1.40 version had no reverse deps
09:25<jordanm[titan]>thrice: is it marked as auto installed?
09:25<MrCPlusPlus>ansgar: I get "E: Couldn't find package debtree" when trying to install via apt-get. Is it not in the Lenny repos?
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09:25<thrice>jordanm[titan], I can't check now, since I'm at work, but if I didn't explicitely install it, shouldn't it be?
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09:26<ansgar>MrCPlusPlus: *looks* No, only in testing/unstable.
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09:30<jordanm[titan]>thrice: yes, it should, that is why I was asking
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09:32<thrice>jordanm[titan], it was a new squeeze install, and I changed the sources to sid, and updated. libboost-iostreams1.42.0 was a new package to be installed, while 1.40, which had no reverse deps., was to be left installed, and not upgraded/removed
09:32<thrice>I removed it myself, but would like to avoid having to manage such things :)
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09:39<handjob>Hello again. Nvidia drivers are whining about kernel source. What package should I install to satisfy its needs?
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09:40<H2o>need some help guys.
09:40<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
09:41<handjob>neria: I will try that. Thx.
09:41<H2o>yesterday, i tried to install debian, cd version, everytime the pc rebbots after the install, i get a grub fail error.
09:41<H2o>another thing, what is the diference between debian cd/dvd?
09:42<handjob>I bet it has more packages.
09:42<jordanm[titan]>the DVD set includes all the software in debian main. Most people just want the netinst CD
09:42<handjob>^^ i am noob thou.
09:43<H2o>i tried like 5 times, the last try, i got a message saying unrecognizable system or somethings.
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09:46<rpetre>is there some mechanism in debian's openssh to include a user-maintained config file in /etc/ssh/sshd_config ?
09:46<jordanm[titan]>a user shouldn't be able to configure a box's remote administration daemon...
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09:49<petemc>rpetre: whats wrong with ~/.ssh/config ?
09:50<rpetre>it's maintained by the package's post-install scripts
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09:52<rpetre>i'd like to keep diffs to a minimum if possible
09:52<rpetre>not client's config
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09:53<rpetre>server's config, sshD_config
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09:55<MrCPlusPlus>ansgar: thanks :) I try to avoid the stuff in unstable..
09:55<adis>konqueror dont play flash videos but iceweasel do it (flashplugin-nonfree) anyone with the same problem (bug)??
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09:57<rogue_the_one>I have got a keymap.gz that replaces CapsLock with Escape
09:58<rogue_the_one>how to make it load at boottime?
09:58<rogue_the_one>I am a little reluctant to modify rc scripts myself
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10:06<rogue_the_one>guess nobody has an answer...
10:07<jmm>rogue_the_one: you can add your customs commands to /etc/rc.local .
10:09<dpkg>/etc/rc.local is a script called by /etc/init.d/rc.local which is typically one of the last things to be run during the boot sequence. If you have commands you want run at boot, edit /etc/rc.local (don't touch /etc/init.d/rc.local). rc.local is considered a hack, consider writing a real init script instead, ask me about <init.d>.
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10:10<rogue_the_one>considering I am googling for correct command to load my keymap, I think I have a long way to go before writing my init script
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10:10<dpkg>To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap", or ask me about <drxx> or use kcontrol, gnome-control-center or similar. For setting up X keymaps, also check out xkeycaps and xev, or ask me about <multimedia keys>. In console you can also use "loadkeys" for once-only/temporary adjustments.
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10:11<rogue_the_one>I am already using xmodmap... and loadkeys doesn't seem to work inside X
10:12<melkart>i found out that the systemwide default keymap can be set in /etc/default/keyboard (requires rebooting)
10:12<rogue_the_one>yep, but what if I have to load two keymaps
10:12<jordanm[titan]>rogue_the_one: you may want to set this command to be run by your window manager or DE upon login, instead of on boot
10:12<melkart>within GNOME one can change the keymap for the current user in system->administration->keyboard or something
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10:13<rogue_the_one>thanks melkart, but I am using fvwm
10:13<rogue_the_one>ok let me reboot
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10:16<anupam>ok... guess i have to write .xinitrc :(
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10:17<anupam>eh.. xchat doesn't remember my previous id
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10:19<\3TATUK1>!easy sid backports
10:19<jordanm[titan]>!tell \3TATUK1 about ssb
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10:19<jordanm[titan]>!tell \3TATUK1 about msg the bot
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10:24<melkart>does anybody know if the daily built graphical installer in development is supposed to work now? because i found that the seperate kernel+initrd combination doesn't... and i wonder if i should report this as a bug
10:25<melkart>whereas the mini.iso from here ( ) works just fine
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10:25<OdyX>melkart: did you try on a real box or within kvm ?
10:25<melkart>OdyX: both... (actually i tried on qemu, because i dont have kvm)
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10:26<thrice>melkart, I tried last night, and it didn't (no mouse+keyboard). using one from about a month ago worked OK
10:26<OdyX>and the linux + initrd.gz failed ?
10:26<melkart>OdyX: yes
10:26<melkart>but the mini.iso worked
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10:27<OdyX>melkart: I discussed a similar issue yesterday within -boot . It seemed that it was a problem of KVM. But now if you tell me a linux+initrd.gz on a real box fails, that's another problem
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10:30<OdyX>melkart: it seems that the problem is known
10:30<melkart>ah thanks
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10:31<jespada>hi guys...anyone try to install memcached 1.4.2 on debian etch ??
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10:35<pepe>hy my name is linith someone talk to me
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10:38<pepe>hy hitchup
10:38<hitchup>pepe: hello
10:39<tetrimino>Do any of you know how to make adobes flash default? It might be blasphemy to some of you guys :(
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10:39<pepe>Are you ok?
10:40<pepe>you talk potugues?
10:40<jordanm[titan]>tetrimino: update-alternatives --config flash-mozilla
10:40<tetrimino>thanks jordanm[titan]
10:41<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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10:41<pepe>dpkg vc é brazileiro ?
10:41<dpkg>parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, pepe
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10:42<vangelis>how can i install thnderbird on debian, any idea?
10:43<pepe>I speak in Portuguese
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10:43<jordanm[titan]>vangelis: aptitude install icedove
10:43<dr|z3d>Install icedove.
10:43<dr|z3d>judd versions icedove
10:43<judd>icedove -- etch:; etch-security:; lenny:; lenny-security:; sid: 3.0.4-2; squeeze: 3.0.4-2
10:43<pepe>dpkg I speak in Portuguese
10:43<dpkg>i haven't a clue, pepe
10:43<vangelis>okay m8 tks
10:44<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
10:44<pepe>excuse me
10:44<pepe>dpkg excuse me
10:44<dpkg>pepe: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
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10:45<pepe>I explain it?
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10:45<pepe>dpkg you have msn ?
10:45<dpkg>I resemble that remark!
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10:46<handjob>I am a bit confused. My version of debian is squeeze/sid. What sould i add to source.list to use backports?
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10:47<jordanm[titan]>handjob: squeeze/sid does not use/have backports
10:47<linith>oi jordam
10:47<pepe>vc é de ke pais?
10:47<handjob>jordanm[titan]: How is that? Can You explain? No f.e. flashplayer for me?
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10:48<pepe>jordam you is que
10:48<jordanm[titan]>handjob: backports purpose it to allow access to newer packages on stable. this simply is not needed for testing and ustable distros which generally have newer packages than backports
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10:48<jordanm[titan]>handjob: flash in non-free for squeeze/sid
10:49<handjob>jordanm[titan]: Oh thank You very much for expenation.
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10:49<jordanm[titan]>handjob: np
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11:00<rogue_the_one>ok I have a .xmodmap with following content: remove Lock = Caps_Lock <\n> keysym Caps_Lock = Escape
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11:01<rogue_the_one>but this doesn't seem to work... when I press Caps Lock, both Caps Lock and Escape keys are work together...
11:02<rogue_the_one>instead of replacing Caps Lock with Escape, I now have both keys mapped to Caps Lock. This is strange because this .xmodmap file has worked everywhere (including IIRC lenny) and doesn't look wrong
11:02<rogue_the_one>currently i am on squeeze
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11:04<inkbottle>Does someone know why mencoder is not in debian? I can't understand it reading the bug 396954. Alternatively, i'm looking for an video transcoder, an none of arista or transmaggedon work on my sid (they just do nothing, silently)
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11:05<inkbottle>(i can' use debian-multimedia repos, cause it breaks some debian packages dependencies)
11:06<EmleyMoor>It shouldn't
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11:06<inkbottle>EmleyMoor, ?
11:07<EmleyMoor>It shouldn't be breaking dependencies
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11:08<rpetre>i have used d-m since .. forever, and don't remember screwed dependencies due to them
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11:10<inkbottle>about incompatibilities between debian.multimedia repos and debian repos, it's described somewhere in debian user list. I could experienced it by myself (can't remember what exactly was not working well)
11:11<rpetre>you could just pin what packages you want from them
11:11<jordanm>inkbottle: dmm should have its own mailing list IIRC
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11:12<inkbottle>jordanm: i was just saying that i don't plan to use dmm's packages...
11:12<inkbottle>i'm looking for a transcoding solution
11:13<jordanm>inkbottle: well, the answer is dmm
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11:16<linith>oi iron
11:16<linith>hy iron
11:17<handjob>This is the loading order of sound modules . Will adding the first two to the alsa's blacklist will fix my problem? I want to use the sound blaster's modules as "0"?
11:17<linith>hy zomb
11:17<linith>hy someone
11:17<themill>!ubuntu-br linith
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11:17<dpkg>linith: Este canal e para suportar o Debian em Ingles. Por favor, /server depois /join #ubuntu-br.
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11:28<karol>como estas?
11:28<dpkg>Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador por favor ingresa al canal social de #debian-es con /join #debian-es-cachondeo. Tus amigos probablemente ya esten ahi.
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11:39<thornomad>Hello - have a standard/desktop install on my eee pc (4 GB) hard drive; it works well but I want to trim unused packages. first on my list is 'gnome-games' ... however, when I use aptitude or apt-get to purge it, it sets off a little dependency chain reaction saying it will remove 'gnome' and mark a number of wanted packages for autoremoval (packages I want). I tried to do it via 'add/remove programs but no dice'
11:39<thornomad>i read a bit on google but can't find a clear answer to how to remove a recommended package that is part of this 'gnome' (or 'gnome-desktop-environment' meta package.
11:40<thornomad>i am going to also want to remove some other bits as well (openoffice for one) and want to make sure I can do it safely without destroying my pretty gnome
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11:41<thornomad>the closest suggestion i can find is to remove it via apt-get and then run an `aptitude keep-all` command ... but I didn't find any confirmation that this worked (just suggested)
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11:43<jordanm>thornomad: aptitude keep-all is acceptable
11:43<thornomad>jordanm: ok - i will give that a try: # apt-get purge gnome-games # aptitude keep-all
11:44<dpkg>Is aptitude or apt-get trying to remove packages that it thinks were automatically installed? This happens when you "aptitude install gnome" and then later remove bits of it, the gnome meta-package will be uninstalled and aptitude will try to remove lots more. Fix this by running "aptitude install packagename" or "aptitude unmarkauto packagename" on strategically chosen packages, or reinstall the <metapackage>.
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11:46<miguel000>how can I run a script, when my camera is plugged in (via usb) and also pass it the device name
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11:50<thornomad>dpkg: thanks - I just did a standard/desktop install from the lenny installer ... didn't manually install any packages ... just trying to clean things up now ...
11:50<dpkg>thornomad: pas de quoi
11:52<jordanm>thornomad: dpkg is a bot, thank aiux
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11:53<thornomad>jordanm: as you can see, i am not that familiar with IRC.
11:53<thornomad>aiux: thanks!
11:54<aiux>thornomad, as bot said try > aptitude unmarkauto gnome before removing ..
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11:59<unixabg>Greetings, looking for best back end NAS setup on a budget. Any thoughts? I am going to look at FreeNAS but just wanting some input.
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11:59<thornomad>aiux: hmm, i got gnome-games off without a hitch, now trying to remove 'cheese' ... I tried: # aptitude unmarkauto gnome-desktop-environment and then # apt-get purge cheese but is still saying to remove the 'gnome-desktop-environment' is its recommendation
12:00<miguel000>when i mount a usb connected disk/device and then just unplug it, can some data get lost?
12:00<jordanm>thornomad: apt-get may not honor aptitude's unmark
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12:00<thornomad>jordanm: ok, just checked aptitude
12:00<aiux>thornomad, no worry , let remove the 'gnome-desktop-environment', and install it later
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12:02<thornomad>aiux: if I accept it, though, it removes a ton of stuff with cheese ...
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12:03<thornomad>aiux: am going to try via apt-get and then aptitude keep-all ... aptitude seems a lot more aggressive
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12:03<aiux>thornomad, your packages are still on your machine , in /var/cache/apt/archives/, so reinstalling is easy ..
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12:04<aiux>except you already removed them , but i doubt
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12:05<aiux>see , ls /var/cache/apt/archives/
12:05<thornomad>aiux: oh ... learned something new. thanks! i will play around with this some ... no harm i guess since I just installed it. thanks for your help! I will check out the /apt/archives
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12:10<acu>is anyone Linux certified here - I wonder which of the certifications tests are designed to be most practical and useful
12:10<aiux>thornomad, hint use > aptitude -R install packname < see > man aptitude | grep R <
12:11<locklace>acu: most of us are merely certifiable
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12:11<rogue_the_one>anybody who has successfully replaced CapsLock with Escape?
12:12<hansenjensen>how do i find ouyt what version php im running under debian ?
12:12<aiux>acu, is a waste time and resources that certify
12:12<locklace>rogue_the_one: escape? wtf
12:12<sney>acu: I have LPI level 1, it was very easy but it looks nice on a resume
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12:12<jordanm>locklace: maybe an emacs user
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12:13<acu>locklace :)
12:13<rogue_the_one>@all: sorry... i meant mapping Escape key to CapsLock
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12:13<acu>sney: so LPI is vendor independent - kind of core linux skills ?
12:13<rogue_the_one>vim user here... sorry for bad english :|
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12:13<hansenjensen>can someone tell me how i can see what version of php im running under debian ?
12:13<locklace>no problem, we make allowances for the reduced capacities of vim users
12:13<sney>acu: well, mostly - it also has some package management stuff, and when I took it you could choose between dpkg and rpm
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12:14<sney>(I chose dpkg, naturally)
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12:14<acu>sney: good to know - of course I will chose dpkg :)
12:14<rogue_the_one>@locklace: much obliged... so anyone who has his CapsLock working like Escape key?
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12:15<ansgar>rogue_the_one: In X? I have remapped CapsLock to something else (not te Escape key).
12:15<aiux>rogue_the_one, hint use loc + TAB to address to locklace, or others ..
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12:15<rogue_the_one>aiux, thanks :)
12:16<rogue_the_one>ansgar, how did you do that? my .xmodmap is not working
12:16<acu>sney: is any place I can see example questions for LPI Linux +
12:16<jordanm>acu: should be able to find some via google
12:16<sney>yeah, or start at, I don't know
12:16<rogue_the_one>ansgar, when i press CapsLock, both CapsLock and Escape work simultaneously
12:17<ansgar>rogue_the_one: xmodmap with "clear Lock", "keycode 66 = $foo"
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12:17<locklace>rogue_the_one: xkb is the relevant thing these days, i use /usr/bin/setxkbmap -option ctrl:nocap to map capslock to control
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12:18<locklace>rogue_the_one: but there are lots of ways to set xkb options. also see /etc/default/keyboard for non-x
12:19<rogue_the_one>locklace, using setxkbmap gives me the same result - caps lock is still workin
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12:21<rogue_the_one>ok one more thing... how to give a local user permission to start X server? (startx -- :1)
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12:22<aiux>all local user permission may do that ..
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12:23<aiux>forget the 'permission' ;)
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12:24<rogue_the_one>aiux, yeah that was a stupid question :)
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12:30<rogue_the_one>ansgar, what is your .xinitrc
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12:33<rogue_the_one>ansgar, i have my xmodmap ~/.xmodmap before claling ". /etc/X11/Xsession"...
12:33<rogue_the_one>that is all I have in my .xinitrc
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12:37<ansgar>rogue_the_one: I don't have a xinitrc, only ~/.kde/Autostart/
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12:38<rogue_the_one>ansgar, thanks...
12:38<rogue_the_one>ansgar, it does work for me :(
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13:39<BiggBang>I am a newbie :)
13:39<dpkg>Dear visitor, please don't bother telling us you're a "newb" or a "n00b". We can tell. Please don't bother telling us you're not a "newb", "noob" or "n00b" either. We can tell that too, you probably are, if you have to say you are not.
13:39<BiggBang>With this OS
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13:40<sney>hi, welcome
13:40<sney>if you have any questions this is the place to ask them
13:41<BiggBang>Yes I know
13:41<BiggBang>II am just reading for now Thanks
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13:44<BiggBang>Is the room opened 24/7 ?
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13:45<jordanm>yes, the network and channel is always up
13:45<sney>yeah, it's always here, but people aren't always talking
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13:46<BiggBang>Thanks :)
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13:48<BiggBang>Is the Time & Date settings bugged ?
13:49<BiggBang>I cannot connect to the server.
13:49<sney>what server
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13:49<BiggBang>pool for automatic settings
13:49<BiggBang>yes it is
13:50<sney>anything is not a real server, it's just an example.
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13:50<BiggBang>yes i know
13:50<sney>you have to find your own ntp server, preferably in your region
13:50<dpkg>[ntp] Network Time Protocol, a protocol for synchronizing clocks of computer systems over a network. "aptitude install ntp" for basic usage, use "" as your NTP server if you don't have one of your own already. See also <set time>, <openntpd>, <pool.ntp>.
13:50<BiggBang>I did but I cannot connect
13:50<jordanm>BiggBang: should work
13:51<BiggBang>I tried but I cannot
13:51<jordanm>what error does it give?
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13:51<sney>can you ping it?
13:51<BiggBang>I did set date and time manually
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13:52<dxd> should as welll
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13:52<BiggBang>The message = I cannot connect to the server .......
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13:52<BiggBang>ping ?
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13:53<BiggBang>I tried all listed servers
13:53<sney>open a terminal and do ping
13:54<BiggBang>I will but I will note it first thanks
13:54<dxd>has make-kpkg --added-patches been dropped in favor --added_modules (been a while)
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13:59<BonZo>how to see shutdown messages log?
14:00<BonZo>or just create one
14:01<sney>provided everything shut down cleanly, it should be in /var/log/syslog*
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14:12<ricko>im trying to start xfce gui on debian but i get an error
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14:13<jordanm>ricko: are you going to pastebin the error or keep us in suspense?
14:13<BiggBang>When I ping it is not always answering
14:14<BiggBang>Is it normal ?
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14:14<BiggBang>sney ???
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14:14<jordanm>BiggBang: no, it is not normal. It indicates a network issue of some kind
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14:15<BiggBang>What will I do ?
14:15<jordanm>lots of things can cause intermettent connectivity and it can be difficult to diagnose
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14:15<jordanm>BiggBang: does it do that for other sites too, or only that one?
14:15<BiggBang>Did you have this problem ?
14:16<jordanm>I have had these problems before, yes... I am a sysadmin...
14:16<BiggBang>All listed servers for Time & Date settings
14:17<BiggBang>When ticking automatic settings
14:17<BiggBang>And apply
14:17<jordanm>BiggBang: if you ping, do packets get dropped?
14:17<BiggBang>No connection
14:18<jordanm>BiggBang: then you likely have failing network equipment. NIC, router, modem, etc
14:18<jordanm>BiggBang: if there is another PC your network, try the same thing with it
14:19<jordanm>or possibly a poor wireless signal
14:19<BiggBang>ok I will try Thanks
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14:21<ricko>here is the error
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14:23<sney>ricko: that's less than a line, is there anything else?
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14:24<jordanm>sney: its an incomplete line at that...
14:24<sney>less than..
14:24<jordanm>ricko: how about just pasting /var/log/Xorg.0.log
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14:25<dxd>Hello. What provisions does make-kpkg have for appyling patches? I am familiar with PATCH_THE_KERNEL=YES and --added-patches from previous versions of make-kpkg but that seems to have been dropped.I am using kernel-package Version: 12.033, using linux-patch-aufs from lenny.
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14:25<dxd>the switch not the export variable....
14:26*jordanm always manually applied the patches before running make-kpkg
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14:30<gladiator>how do i install flash ? on 64 bit ?
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14:30<dpkg>rumour has it, flash is frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> or <swfdec> for free implementations or <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation. See also
14:30<gladiator>!adobe flash
14:30<dpkg>Adobe Flash Player is <non-free> and cannot be in a stable Debian release, as Adobe doesn't provide security support for older versions (see The easiest way to install flash is with the flashplayer-mozilla package from <>; there is also a flashplugin-nonfree <contrib> package for sid and users. Ask me about <dmm> <bpo> <non-free>.
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14:31<dpkg>Xfce is a pretty nifty Desktop Environment. Lightweight, fast, compact. To install, ask me about <install xfce>. Backported 4.6.1 packages are available, ask me about <bpo>. Squeeze users: Missing icons in your menu? See . #xfce on
14:31<dxd>Is the preferred way simply doing ../kernel-patches/all/apply/<patch>; make [x,menu,old]config
14:31<dxd>this will dirty my vanilla
14:31<jordanm>ricko: what version of debian are you running?
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14:32<respire>is there a generic linux support channel here? i have a generic question about an ubuntu child distro, you guys could prob answer it but am trying to be honest :)
14:32<jordanm>respire: ##linux or #ubuntu on
14:32<ricko>should i upgrade
14:32<respire>they suck
14:32<sney>respire: a lot of times we can't since they change so much annyway
14:32<jordanm>ricko: etch is no longer supported
14:33<respire>i mean err, they don't answer
14:33<jordanm>!they don't know
14:33<dpkg>Just because the people in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to hassle US with your problems. Go try Google.
14:33<jordanm>factoid is a bit harsh but gets the point accross
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14:33<respire>i humbly request an exception to this reasonable and sensible position as a courtesy to a fellow humankind :)
14:34<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
14:34<darrob>somebody was very annoyed when writing that factoid
14:34<sney>sorry, we can't support software we don't use, as we don't know what kind of changes they have made. plus, channel rules and all that
14:34<dxd>snarky as ever dpkg
14:34<jordanm>darrob: yep, look who wrote it :p
14:34<respire>Can I make sudo tell me if the user would be authorized to run the command without actually running it
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14:35<sney>darrob: probably the same way I was feeling when I made the bt4-magic factoid
14:35<jordanm>respire: this is a good example, since debian does not use sudo by default
14:35<respire>also does the alternate ubuntu debian installer disk install some sort of "mark" so i can tell they elected to install with root enabled
14:35<gsimmons>dxd: Are you running Squeeze?
14:35<Xpistos>how long will Debian 5.0 support run?
14:35<jordanm>respire: the ubuntu installers are modified, we would have no idea
14:35<Xpistos>I am a debian newb looking to get in
14:35<jordanm>Xpistos: typically approx 1 year after the next stable release
14:35<respire>thank you trying to help me
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14:35<ricko>ok i upgraded
14:35<sney>and since squeeze is nowhere near ready, I'd say lenny will be supported until 2012 at least
14:36<dxd>lenny .. I am using sids kernel-package because of changes to ncopas with version.h
14:36<Xpistos>jordanm: when is debian +1 planned out?
14:36<dpkg>Squeeze will release <WIR>, <SIYH>. No release schedule is done yet. Ask me about <squeeze bet>. See
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14:36<jordanm>,versions kernel-package
14:36<judd>kernel-package -- etch: 10.067; lenny: 11.015; sid: 12.033; squeeze: 12.033
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14:37<jordanm>dxd: I am suprised they have not added one to lenny-backports by now. I ran into that bug also
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14:37<dxd>yeah 11.015 and right?
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14:37<jordanm>dxd: anything > .31 I believe
14:38<dxd>really im open to suggestions. my main reason for .33 is aufs and squashfs
14:39<dxd>and i still have to patch for aufs
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14:39<dba>no, you don't. not in debian at least.
14:39<dxd>dba, was that directed for me
14:40<gsimmons>dxd: For your information, the Debian 2.6.32 kernel images are patched to provide aufs2 support.
14:40<Xpistos>Ouch, 5 DVDs?
14:40<dxd>lenny's kernel is 2.6.26
14:40<judd>Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.33-2-686 (2.6.33-1~experimental.4); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-12); squeeze: 2.6.32-3-686 (2.6.32-9); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.4-686 (2.6.32-11~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-21lenny4); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2)
14:40<dxd>ahh... I need to add backports to sources no
14:40<sney>note lenny-backports
14:40<sney>yep there you go
14:41<dxd>been a while .. thanks guys
14:41<dpkg>hmm... awesome is a dynamic floating and tiling <window manager>. #awesome on
14:41<babilen>Xpistos: You don't need all 5 DVDs - /msg dpkg netinst or just download the first DVD/CD
14:41<Xpistos>just the first cd?
14:41<Xpistos>thta is it?
14:41<dxd>now I can enjoy my lunch :)
14:42<sney>Xpistos: yep, the rest is packages that you can get online once you're up and running
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14:42<sney>the full set is provided for people that don't have consistent internet access, or crazy completists
14:43<babilen>Xpistos: What are you trying to do? If you want to install Debian and have a working internet connection you can download the netinstall image (/msg dpkg netinst) and install from that. The first CD/DVD contains everyhting you need for setting up your system with X and Gnome (or others for the CDs)
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15:22<niktaris>I have a .txt file with a list of .deb package names. I want to find out what packages are still available in debian
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15:23<niktaris>Can I use a apt-cache --something ?
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15:25<jackyf>niktaris: 'apt-cache pkgnames' gives you a list of currently available packages
15:25<jackyf>so you can grep it with needed arguments
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15:26<niktaris>jackyf, and the question is "what arguments"
15:26<jackyf>'apt-cache pkgnames'
15:26<jackyf>isn't that clear?
15:27<babilen>apt-cache search pattern ?
15:27<jackyf>it's a literal command
15:27<jordanm>niktaris: maybe: while read -r package; do apt-cache policy "$package"; done < /path/to/file
15:27<jordanm>niktaris: assume 1 package per line
15:27<niktaris>jackyf, that was clear but how to I compare it with the .txt file I have
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15:38<niktaris>jordanm, is that a bash script ?
15:39<jordanm>niktaris: its not really a "script", but it is bash
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15:39<jordanm>niktaris: might work in any posix shell, not sure
15:39<robertzaccour>the debian gnome iso don't work
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15:43<robertzaccour>the debian gnome iso don't work
15:43<robertzaccour>i got dc so not sure if it went through the first time thats why it may be there twice
15:44*aiux AC/DC Rocks
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15:54<Necrocter>TEAM PlanB
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16:06<vord>whats the name of that deb. opener in ubuntu again
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16:07<vord>package manager?
16:07<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
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16:40<Lantizia>Hey if were to make a soft raid when installing debian (raid 1) then can I make 1 of the 2 disks hot swappable?
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16:44<valdyn>Lantizia: why only 1 ?
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16:45<Lantizia>only need 1
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16:45<dkr>well, it wouldn't exactly be hot swappable since the array would be in a degraded state when one of the 2 is removed
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16:45<valdyn>Lantizia: i dont understand why you are asking really then. Any disk can be hot swappable, the raid has nothing to do with that
16:45<Lantizia>the idea isn't that I'd remove it if it fails... I want to remove it to take with me and use regularly - then later put it back and let the raid catch up
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16:46<valdyn>Lantizia: you can do that
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16:46<valdyn>Lantizia: you will have to readd the disk using mdadm though
16:46<valdyn>Lantizia: i mean, this wont be fully automagic.
16:46<valdyn>Lantizia: that is the raid maintenance program
16:46<supaman>hey, I just upgraded my unstable and now X is borked .. by some reason the upgrade took away gdm and so I use startx now. The only error I can see there is "FATAL: module fbcon not found" but that I not supposed to be important I think (has to do with framebuffer stuff which is related to text console) ... but when I startx I just get a black window when I am in kernel 2.6.32 but I get X up when running kernel 2.6.30 but then it freezes i
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16:47<valdyn>Lantizia: on top of that you want to use a raid bitmap for faster resync, see the manpage
16:47<supaman>any ideas of what is going on? it is the intel chipset I am using and the xorg-intel driver
16:48<Lantizia>valdyn, ok but I don't just want to just *pull* the disk and make the raid think one failed... I want to actually inform the system I want it for a bit, so I'm having it :)
16:48<valdyn>Lantizia: that does not make a difference
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16:48<Lantizia>well it does because the disk being in use... I'm not keen on just pulling it
16:48<valdyn>Lantizia: the first operation to remove a disk is to either have it fail for real or fail it using mdadm
16:48<valdyn>Lantizia: it doesnt make a difference if you just pull it or if you fail it using mdadm
16:49<locklace>!tell supaman about broken in sid
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16:49<valdyn>Lantizia: unmount the filesystem, remove disk, do stuff, add it back later
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16:50<Lantizia>valdyn, if I unmount the filesystem won't I leave the other disk unusable too?
16:50<valdyn>Lantizia: removing a disk is equivalent to failing it, you cant do a "friendly" remove, that nonsensical
16:50<supaman>locklace: yeh, I know things break in sid ... doesnt mean it is not fixable :-)
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16:50<valdyn>Lantizia: unmounting the fs means that the data on the disk is in a consistent state to mount again or elsewhere
16:51<Lantizia>so unknown disk 2, take disk 2, remount disk 1... put disk 2 back later - hope the raid knows to update disk 2 to look like 1
16:51<valdyn>Lantizia: remount the raid, not remount disk 1
16:52<locklace>supaman: and not a day doesn't go by where i see someone show up here complaining of hideous breakage with the intel x driver
16:52<valdyn>Lantizia: for mounting its irrelevant that the raid now has only one of 2 members
16:52<locklace>supaman: is the latest driver kms-enabled
16:52<supaman>locklace: yeh, why is that ... is that drive in such a bad state?
16:52<AzaToth>Saw that ESR made an update to especially on he is now pretty much whacking autoconf into pieces ツ
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16:53<valdyn>Lantizia: you can be "friendly" to your raid by "mdadm --fail /dev/whatever; mdadm --remove /dev/whatever"
16:53<locklace>supaman: apparently. i've never seen such horrible quality in a graphics driver, which is saying a lot since most of them are pretty flaky in absolute terms
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16:53<AzaToth>"Autotools was always a pile of crocks upon hacks upon kluges, implemented in a messy mixture of languages and with some serious design flaws. The resulting mess was tolerable for many years, but as projects become more complex it is increasingly failing"
16:54<valdyn>Lantizia: not like that makes a significant difference though
16:54<locklace>but if it makes you feel any better i tried sid's kms-enabled radeon driver a little while ago and got an instant system hang
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16:55<supaman>locklace: how do I see if my driver is kms or not?
16:56<supaman>locklace: does it show up in dmesg?
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16:56<locklace>supaman: it would be in the Xorg.0.log output, assuming you can recover it
16:56<locklace>the dmesg will tell you whether kms is enabled in the kernel
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16:56<Scynix>Does aptitude not support -b for building a package?
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16:57<supaman>dmesg | grep kms showes nothing
16:57<supaman>so no kms
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16:58<supaman>Ill just file a bug against intel
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16:59<supaman>one more in the 200+ it has (last time I checked at least) ;-)
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16:59<locklace>you can also poke #debian-x
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17:00<supaman>ahh, they have theyr own channel ... thanks, I'll check it out
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17:00<locklace>let us know how it goes
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17:00<supaman>will do
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17:01<Scynix>I'll ask again. I'm trying to learn to rebuild packages. The bot here told me I use apt-get -b, but I normally use aptitude> after looking through the info for aptitude, I don't see a build parameter. Am I missing something?
17:01<valdyn>Scynix: i dont think so
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17:02<babilen>Scynix: You use apt-get for that - it will not interfere with aptitude
17:02<Scynix>Alright, thanks. I appreciate it.
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17:04*jordanm notes that aptitude does not download source packages but it will play minesweeper :p
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17:04<locklace>the developers have a keen sense of priority
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17:07<Gathond>well every major commercial OS has minesweeper at its core, they are just duplicating the sure success
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17:10*aiux apt-cache search minesweeper
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17:22<handjob>One thing bus me : when you look for something using / in f.e. "less" command the result gets hightlighted, but how to turn the highlight off once You found what You are looking for?
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17:23<ball>news...I m a new member...
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17:23<handjob>Ok i think i have found the solution.
17:24<handjob>Or have I?
17:25<ball>hello together
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17:36<handjob>I am using openbox and the font in firefox, claws, etc. is terrible small. How can i fix this?
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17:37<dr|z3d>handjob: Reduce your dpi.
17:38<dr|z3d>If it's automatic, set it to manual and experiment. Try 72dpi.. it's probably defaulting to 96.
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17:43<handjob>dr|z3d: I assume i would have to get down in xorg.conf or something, does the redution of dpi affect ressolution? Sorry if the questions seems silly, I am a silly person.
17:44<dr|z3d>handjob: lower dpi = bigger fonts, etc. you may have a ui to tweak that.. look at your appearances settings or equivalent.
17:44<dr|z3d>handjob: alternatively, you could tweak your system fonts..
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17:45<dr|z3d>I'd try screen dpi first.. that will do everything in one foul swoop.
17:45<handjob>Ok. Thank You.
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18:31<jerryclunsford>is ther4e3 a channel for networking discussion?
18:32<dpkg>i heard lartc is the Linux Advanced Routing & Traffic Control HOWTO. #lartc on See also <wondershaper>.
18:32<jerryclunsford>thank you
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18:33<petemc>thats for advanced stuff btw, as the name would suggest, for more simple stuff, and if you're using debian, you can ask here
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18:34<jerryclunsford>yes that is a little too advanced for me right now.
18:34<mercutio22>uh-oh... I am trying to update debian and apt says some packages cannot be authenticated...
18:34<mercutio22>I have no extra repositories enabled
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18:35<mercutio22>maybe something wrong with the gpg keys for the repo I am using?
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18:36<jerryclunsford>I am trying to figure out how ports are being forwarded on my speedstream 4200 router. My ISP says the only way it could happen is if someone was adding them locally.
18:37<petemc>it doesnt do upnp ?
18:37<jerryclunsford>it is upnp
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18:37<petemc>so presumably an application has uses upnp to configure port forwarding
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18:38<jerryclunsford>I am the only one here who has the password for the the modem
18:38<petemc>yes, but if configured to allow upnp, no password is needed
18:39<jerryclunsford>It only forwards to a windows computer maybe I can turn of upnp
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18:40<jerryclunsford>I'll look into killing the upnp thanks for the help. something came up got to go.
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18:42<gpm>mercutio22: what's the repo you have?
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18:45<gpm>mercutio22: any reason you have a deb line for squeeze and sid?
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18:47<mercutio22>gpm: yes. Compiz stoped working and I had to pull it from sid. Did it using apt-pinning. Here's the preferences file:
18:47<gpm>mercutio22: also if you haven't yet installed debian-archive-keyring, do that and do an apt-get update
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18:48<gpm>mercutio22: oh i'm afraid i've never used pinning, just dpkg -i on whatever i needed from sid
18:48<mercutio22>gpm.. hmm already the newest version.
18:49<mercutio22>dpkg -i?
18:49<dpkg>i haven't a clue, mercutio22
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18:49<gpm>mercutio22: yes, i fetched the debs from and installed them manually
18:49<mercutio22>like, to install a deb file?
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18:49<mercutio22>I see
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18:49<mercutio22>that way there's dependency hell to pay
18:50<mercutio22>Still I don't understand why there are some unsigned packages being offered
18:50<gpm>fwiw i just did my daily dist-upgrade on sid and compiz was updated, maybe you can ditch that setup and see if that was the issue
18:50<mercutio22>maybe my system has been compromised
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18:51<gpm>does it say which packages are unsigned?
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18:52<mercutio22>damn.. the error went away
18:52<gpm>maybe time to celebrate
18:53<gpm>check your auth.log real quick
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18:57<gpm>mercutio22: i think you're safe
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18:57<gpm>you should install denyhosts if you haven't already though
18:57<mercutio22>gpm: cool. =]
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18:58<mercutio22>gpm: I would like to allow only dsa encrypted authentication
18:58<gpm>and if you're running an ssh server, it's probably a good idea to grep sshd in auth.log once a day or so
18:58<gpm>mercutio22: for sshdL
18:59<jordanm>gpm: or you can install logwatch and have that exact information emailed to you
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18:59<gpm>jordanm: good call
18:59<jordanm>by default... just by installing it
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19:00<gpm>i don't have an mta installed
19:00<mercutio22>I will try that
19:00<gpm>and don't care to set one up just yet
19:00<mercutio22>me neither.. I should though
19:00<mercutio22>I want to use mutt
19:00<babilen>you removed exim?
19:00<mercutio22>as a client I mean
19:00<jordanm>the default exim4 install is configured for local-delivery only
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19:00<gpm>babilen: i never installed it
19:01<babilen>gpm: it's installed by default
19:01<jordanm>typically pre-installed from "standard system" task... or recommends of cron
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19:01<jordanm>,recommends cron
19:01<judd>cron -- recommends: exim4 | postfix | mail-transport-agent.
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19:01<gpm>babilen: that depends, it is not in the base system
19:02<jordanm>cron is though, right?
19:02<mercutio22>how can I tell if I still have squeeze and not sid?
19:02<gpm>jordanm: i think so
19:03<babilen>actually just wanted to mention:
19:03<babilen>!securing debian
19:03<dpkg>The Securing Debian Manual describes the security of the Debian GNU/Linux operating system and within the Debian project. Packaged for Debian as harden-doc. See also <manuals>.
19:03<babilen>which discusses some of the issues you've just mentioned ..
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19:04<gpm>mercutio22: apt-cache policy?
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19:05<mercutio22>gpm cool!
19:05<mercutio22>It also lists which packages are pinned
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19:05<gpm>yeah apt-cache is a pretty nifty program
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19:05<mercutio22>babilen: nice!
19:06<imbrandon>win 21
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19:08<sp1b0t>alguen sabe español?
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19:08<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat
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19:19<networkn>Hi There!, back again still trying to work out what was used to create port forwarding on this etch box?
19:20<retrospectacus>ssh -L ?
19:22<networkn>No I mean what front end or script
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19:29<anon0>hey i am trying to do a netinstall and want to have the directory on a another box on the lan, any tips on how to maybe wget it into place?
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19:31<jcole>anon0: the directory?
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19:32<anon0>basically i want to point the installer at the other machine instead of a ftp http site
19:32<jcole>anon0: via http?
19:32<anon0>or sshfs?
19:32<jcole>anon0: scroll to the very top of the mirrors list
19:33<jcole>anon0: you will see something like custome mirror
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19:33<jcole>anon0: i think d-i can only do http and ftp
19:33<anon0>i think your right
19:33<jcole>anon0: "share" it via http or ftp
19:33<anon0>unless maybe cli
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19:34<jcole>anon0: are you mirroring the debian package tree?
19:35<anon0>no, that is what i am trying to do though
19:35<anon0>i once saw someone download a mirror with wget
19:36<jcole>anon0: wget has a mirror option
19:36<anon0>okay i will read than man
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19:36<jcole>anon0: you can use that... but be careful, debian mirroring takes alot of disk space
19:37<jcole>anon0: you might want to tell wget what arch/release you want to mirror
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19:37<jcole>anon0: i think there is an official way of mirroring debian packages also
19:37<anon0>i think i will try to slim it down to my architecture
19:37<jcole>apt-mirror i think
19:37<anon0>huh apt-mirror sounds convenient
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19:38<jcole>"A small tool that provides ability to mirror any parts (or even all) of Debian and Ubuntu GNU/Linux distributions and/or any other apt sources which typically provided by open source developers."
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19:42<lampe>if got some problem i isntalled linux from a usb stick
19:42<lampe>and now grub is only starting when the usb stick is in the laptop!
19:43<anon0>sounds like the boot loader is installed on the usb stick:)
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19:44<lampe>yes but how can i install it on the right disk ?
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19:46<anon0>lampe: try this
19:46<anon0>is debian right?
19:47<lampe>a ubuntu but ubuntu is based on debian
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19:48<lampe>okay hey sayed thats okay
19:48<retrospectacus>but it has a lot of completely different software. Ubuntu is not supported here
19:48<lampe>i will now restart
19:48<lampe>okay thx
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19:55<jordanm>ubuntu _is_ _not_ debian
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20:04<anon0>speaking of ubuntu, i can't believe they dropped support for 8.10 what the fsck, it was the most stable for me and the only one i liked
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20:06<dr|z3d>anon0: We don't care. In any event, try 10.4, you should find it good.
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20:06*dr|z3d smiles.
20:07<jordanm>yes, who doesn't want to upgrade their machines every 6mos?
20:07<dr|z3d>It's a no-brainer for most.
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20:08<jester45>ubuntu does attract a lot of Windows users...
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20:09*k\t now feels officially, suckless:
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20:10*jhutchins_lt wonders what kind of resolution is needed for that to be legible.
20:11*jordanm sees it fine on 1920x1200
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20:11<haavard>Hi! How is debian when it comes to video performance? I'm considering to install it on a server that also is used as a HTPC playing all kinds of video files, and youtube, web-tv etc .... and ubuntu has some instabilities relevant to my hw
20:12<dr|z3d>Performance is a good as the drivers you install for your card.
20:12<dr|z3d>It won't be much different to Ubuntu's performance, most likely.
20:12<jordanm>or the drivers that come with the kernel..
20:13<haavard>dr|z3d: It's not the drivers that funk it up on Ubuntu for me. I guess I'll have a go then
20:13<jordanm>haavard: what kind of instability problems are we talking then?
20:16<haavard>jordanm: Several small issues, like gnome-panel becoming unresponsive, logoff/shutdown alternatives disappearing from indicator-applet, all which the latest release solves. But the new release can't play video fullscreen on my hw, because of the PAE-enabled kernel
20:16<dr|z3d>haavard: You might just fix all of that by installing xfce.
20:16<dr|z3d>Well, mostly.
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20:18<dr|z3d>haavard: as for your kernel, maybe have another to hand you can swap into.. personally I recommend the bfs enabled kernel.. noticeably more responsive.
20:19<jordanm>haavard: the standard debian kernel should do fine
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20:44<ani>Is there any good download manager like IDM for debian???
20:45<sney>maybe, what's idm?
20:45<ani>Internet download manager
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20:46<ani>very very popular in windows.
20:46<sney>well, go to and search for download managers, and if there's something you like search for it with aptitude
20:46<ani>can download and resume from youtube
20:46<sney>I use windows and I've never heard of it, but I haven't bothered with a download manager since 2002 or so
20:47<ani>sney my speed is very low so i need one..
20:47<ani>my speed 6-9kbps ^_^
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20:49<ani>btw ..thanks for the info
20:49<ani>@ sney
20:49<sney>no problem
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20:58<ani>sney do use axel before?
20:59<ani>text mode downloader
20:59<ani>56 kb size
21:00<ani>like working like wget.. but verbose not good as wget
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21:02<ani>nahh its too bad.. not for dialup
21:03<ani>ok bye anyway need to sleep..
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21:42<gpm>is there a way to see which options were passed to ./configure for a package?
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22:12<mercutio32>is there a way for me to define ssh ports per server, so I don't have to memorize them?
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22:14<aiux>use default port ..
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---Logclosed Tue May 04 00:00:24 2010