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#debian IRC Logs for 2010-05-04

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01:29<VelvetElvis>I just did an aptitude full-upgrade on side and when KDE starts I get a cursor and a blank screen. Fluxbox still works though.
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01:30<VelvetElvis>anyone else seen this, ie is it a normal bump in the road or do I have something special?
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01:36<Scynix>I know this isn't a debian question but I'm having a serious brain fart. When an IP address is listed as 127.0.0.1/16 - the /16 means from 1 to 16, doesn't it?
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01:38<Tazpa>nope
01:38<Tazpa>it
01:38<Tazpa>it's 127.0.x.x
01:39<Scynix>yeah, my brain just reactivated and called me stupid, thanks
01:39<Scynix>I appreciate it.
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01:54<rogue_the_one>hi!
01:55<rogue_the_one>if i call "xmodmap ~/.xmodmap" after starting my session (after opening xterm and typing in it), then i am able to map Esacpe to Caps Lock key
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01:56<rogue_the_one>but i call "xmodmap ~/.xmodmap" in my .xinitrc, before starting my session (fvwm&), then pressing Caps Lock results in both Caps Lock and Escape working simultaneously...
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02:00<diego>Hi, I have a weird problem, my touchpad stops working on gnome (works on X loging screen)
02:00<diego>a usb mouse will work fine
02:00<diego>any help ?
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---Logclosed Tue May 04 03:03:28 2010
---Logopened Tue May 04 03:03:34 2010
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03:32<happyaron>hi, how can I install debian testing from hard disk when I have a working grub2 on the disk?
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04:08<Scynix>Can someone recommend a socks5 proxy server package for lenny? I would appreciaet it.
04:09<rpetre>hello, i read that linux-vserver will be deprecated in squeeze. what are the recommended alternatives? openvz?
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04:16<gsimmons>rpetre: It will be deprecated after squeeze in favor of Linux Containers (LXC). See Debian bug #574529, /msg dpkg lxc
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04:17<rpetre>i only heard about lxc 2 minutes ago, i understand the userspace tools are not yet available in lenny.
04:17<rpetre>but thanks, i'll go read about it
04:19<babilen>rpetre: You *might* be able to backport them yourself to lenny - /msg dpkg ssb
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04:20<babilen>rpetre: It's worth a try, but I am not sure if all the dependencies can be satisfied with lenny
04:20<rpetre>not particularly thrilled about setting up a new machine with this kind of hurdles
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04:23<rpetre>i am upgrading the hardware on a vserver host and i'm considering a fresh install, so i'm looking at alternatives since vserver seems to have fallen out of grace
04:23<babilen>rpetre: You could try other virtualisation systems like Xen, virtualbox or KVM/QEMU
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04:24<rpetre>since i use linux-in-linux only and i only need containment, not other features, i'm looking for lowest overhead solutions
04:25<babilen>rpetre: Well, sounds as if lxc is what you are after. Try to backport the userspace tools yourself - it might just work
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04:26<rpetre>eh, maybe i'll go out on a limb and put squeeze on the host
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04:27<gille>hello... git-core, mysql-server and a few other packages cannot be authenticated for me on lenny
04:27<rpetre>any idea if aptitude dist-upgrade manages elegantly inside lxc or openvz? vserver's fake init and /dev seemed to confuse upgrades
04:27<babilen>You can do that, although I wouldn't use squeeze on a production system yet. But it is an alternative if you decide against one of the other virtualisation systems and/or are unable to backport the userspace tools. Good luck!
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04:28<rpetre>gille: try to re-update the package list or change mirrors
04:28<gille>rpetre: update doesn't work... will try to change mirror then...
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04:29<gille>rpetre: (I meant to say: update doesn't help)
04:29<babilen>gille: doesn't work?
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04:29<babilen>gille: Paste the relevant output and that of "apt-cache policy" to a pastebin please. You might want to try a different mirror first though
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04:30<gille>Package files:
04:30<gille> 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
04:30<babilen>rpetre: I can't answer that, because I have no experience with either lxc or openvz. It, unsurprisingly, works well with KVM and virtualbox ...
04:30<gille> release a=now
04:30<gille> 500 http://security.debian.org lenny/updates/contrib Packages
04:30<gille> origin security.debian.org
04:30<gille> 500 http://security.debian.org lenny/updates/main Packages
04:30<babilen>!paste
04:30<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastebin.ca/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>.
04:30<gille> origin security.debian.org
04:30<gille> 500 http://ftp.se.debian.org lenny/contrib Packages
04:30<gille> release v=5.0.4,o=Debian,a=stable,l=Debian,c=contrib
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04:35<babilen>rpetre: openvz is worth a look too ...
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04:41<gille>babilen: changed mirror to ftp.debian.org, still cannot authenticate
04:41<gille>babilen: http://paste.debian.net/71926/
04:42<gille>babilen: (apt-get update before install)
04:42<Scynix>Anyone know why I can ssh to my server making a proxy, anything using TCP/https works fine, but UDP stuff doesn't? :o
04:43<rpetre>Scynix: some kind of firewall in the way?
04:43<Scynix>That's what I thought, but if I remove the router from the equation, same issue. UDP just doesn't seem to work.
04:43<babilen>gille: Do you have debian-archive-keyring installed? Which version? (apt-cache policy debian-archive-keyring)
04:43<themill>Scynix: you might want to read the heading about port forwarding in "man ssh".
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04:44<gille>babilen: http://paste.debian.net/71928/
04:45<Scynix>themill: I read the section about TCP and X11 forwarding, but I couldn't find any information about why UDP would be effected.
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04:46<themill>Scynix: ssh doesn't do UDP forwarding at all.
04:46<gille>babilen: I think the problem is caused by packages from the security archive
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04:46<Scynix>themill: that would explain the complete absence of information. Any suggestions for a package I can use?
04:46<babilen>gille: That looks fine - could you check with 'apt-cache policy <pkg>' where the mysql packages are installed from?
04:47<babilen>gille: Do you get them from security?
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04:47<themill>Scynix: sounds like you need a real VPN like openvpn.
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04:48<Scynix>themill: I'll look into it. Thanks. I appreciate it.
04:48<themill>!openvpn
04:48<dpkg>OpenVPN is a <VPN> daemon, which can securely tunnel IP networks over one UDP or TCP port. Packaged for Debian, provides "openvpn" ifupdown hooks to <interfaces>. As this uses OpenSSL, it is affected by <dsa1571>, see http://wiki.debian.org/SSLkeys and the openvpn-blacklist package. As of openvpn 2.1~rc9, add "script-security 2" in config files for external command use. http://openvpn.net/ #openvpn on irc.freenode.net.
04:48<rpetre>security.d.o is round-robin on a few servers, try specifying one of them, just in case they're out of sync or something (it happened before)
04:48<gille>babilen: yes... http://paste.debian.net/71929/
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04:51<BiggBang>Hi
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04:56<Scynix>Different question, is there a method for uninstalling a package that I was attempting to use earlier and found out it wasn't what I wanted? I tried aptitude remove, and apt-get remove, and it removed the package files but the application itself is still there, runnable and everything.
04:56<locklace>maybe you didn't remove what you thought you did
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04:57<locklace>aptitude remove (or purge) is the right way to remove a package
04:57<Scynix>Well, it was a package from an older version of debian- could that be the problem?
04:58<Scynix>Strangely purge worked, and it even let me know what package I missed.
04:58<Scynix>Thanks, locklace.
04:58<locklace>!congratulate Scynix
04:58<dpkg>Hugs & Puppies Scynix, you did it!
04:58<Scynix>.... that's just creepy.
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05:05<BiggBang>My driver pata_network is not working :(
05:06<BiggBang>How will I fix it ?
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05:55<rpetre>does the installer have certain "magic" behaviour when loading an iso from the install media? (that is, the line i write in syslinux.cfg behaves the same as it would from the cd?)
05:55<grummund>Hi, i'm using netcat to do some interactive client/server testing but the other end sends some binary data... is there any way to filter this from appearing on the console?
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05:56<grummund>netcat should still receive keyboard input, but i want stdout filtered - is that possible?
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07:35<tubular>I just read this article http://www.stealth-x.com/articles/the-problems-with-full-disk-encryption.php could anyone tell me if this could cause a problem with The Debian LUKS full disk encryption option?
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07:41<handjob>Hi. Anyone has the idea where should i look or put UserChrome.css in icedove?
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07:43<dr|z3d>handjob: in your profile root dir.
07:43<dr|z3d>handjob: http://eriwen.com/css/tweaking-thunderbirds-chrome/
07:44<handjob>Thank You again dr|z3d
07:46<dr|z3d>yw
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07:49<andrejjj>is there anz live cd linux with gcc and kernel source
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07:50<dr|z3d>andrejjj: you probably want to convert a live cd to a persistent usb boot environment.
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07:51<andrejjj>this would be ok
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07:51<tzafrir>andrejjj, Boot Debian-live, install any package you want on that system
07:52<tzafrir>That said, those files will use a noticable chunk of your system's memory
07:52<andrejjj>and i can install kernel source as a package_
07:52<andrejjj>?
07:53<tzafrir>Why do you actually need kernel source?
07:53<tzafrir>To build some kernel module?
07:53<andrejjj>i want top compile a software which needs them
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07:53<andrejjj>lirc
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07:54<tzafrir>for that, the package linux-headers-<version> should do
07:54<tzafrir>That said, I figure you can build that driver as a deb package elsewhere
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07:55<andrejjj>version must be the same as the running kernel?
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08:14<And1>Hey folks, how do I correctly install a pcf-font ($font.pcf.gz) in /usr/share/fonts/X11/misc/?
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09:17<mbruins>hi, i installed debian lenny. but for some reason my dvd drive doesnt get reconized when i would like to use a burning app (cdrecord, brasero) any suggestion on this topic? i dont even know what do google
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09:19<Ox90>right need some help deciding the best plan of action. I have create a logical volume but not created a filesystem on it. The LV is a XEN SR and i need to back up the files contained within. Should i a) move everything out of the sr, create a filesystem and move everything back and backup the individual files or b) leave it and just backup the whole device?
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09:26<neria>mbruins: you can use k3b
09:28<mbruins>neria: im desperate enough to try that, i doubt it will detect my dvdwriter though
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10:18<Xenguy>!nxclient
10:18<Xenguy>!freenx
10:18<dpkg>FreeNX is a GPL implementation of the <NX> server and client components. There are no FreeNX packages in official Debian repositories, see Debian bug #255850. http://wiki.debian.org/freenx http://freenx.berlios.de/ #nx on irc.freenode.net.
10:19<locklace>!tell Xenguy about selftell
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10:35<Xenguy>nxclient FTW ;-)
10:35<Xenguy>kind of like screen for GUIs
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10:37<joar>I'm debugging a mysql 5.0 server that keep crashing with mysqld got signal 11, I got a hint regarding a specifik select statement. I've turned on logging to file, but how can I determine which DB the select was run against ?
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10:37<joar>got more than 2k db's on that server
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10:49<EISKALT>hello
10:49<EISKALT>hallo
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10:50<EISKALT>i need a little bit help with my debian vps
10:50<EISKALT>can i write in german or is this a english channel ?
10:50<petemc>english, there is a german channel tho
10:50<petemc>!de
10:50<dpkg>Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de).
10:51<EISKALT>danke
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11:01<cesurasean>can someone link me to the iso file i need to burn in order to install debian lenny on an older iMac?
11:01<cesurasean>powerpc processor
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11:01<cesurasean>i cant find the link for the iso here: http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc/inst/pmac
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11:02<petemc>http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.4/powerpc/iso-cd/debian-504-powerpc-netinst.iso
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12:00<Roll_Tide>Hey everyone, I'm debating on installing debian. I do have a couple questions. I have tried debian before. I'm not sure the file manager by default.. I was wondering if you can change it to the file browser I think that is what it is called..(Don't want a new window to open every folder I open).
12:01<Roll_Tide>Sorry for such vaugness, I'm not a pro with linux lol
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12:03<Zathraz>Hi. The package "fwlogwatch" contains a cgi script (bash). It errors on apache2 but runs fine from cli. It's quite old and I found no hits on google about it's error. The error is: [error] Can't find string terminator '"' anywhere before EOF at /usr/lib/cgi-bin/fwlogsummary.cgi line 90.\n
12:03<Zathraz>
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12:03<Zathraz>according to Apache2's error.log
12:03<Zathraz>any thoughts on the subject? I fail to see a missing "
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12:04<aiux>Roll_Tide, in gnome click System> File Management Preferences> Behavior> check 'Always open in browser windows'
12:04<jordanm>,versions fwlogwatch
12:04<judd>fwlogwatch -- etch: 1.1-2; lenny: 1.1-3; sid: 1.1-4; squeeze: 1.1-4
12:04<jordanm>Zathraz: what version of debian?
12:04<Zathraz>ah. Lenny. Sorry
12:05<Roll_Tide>aiux: Nice. Thanks :). Yeah if I install it will be gnome, (That is default correct?) I would be installing squeeze by the way...
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12:05<aiux>same in squeeze , i hope
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12:06<Roll_Tide>Guess my only other question is...would/does debian support dual monitor w/ nvidia gtx 250 card?
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12:07<aiux>Roll_Tide, is doable too, finish the install first, and come back for help
12:07<Roll_Tide>:)
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12:09<jordanm>Zathraz: is the logfile its trying to parse empty?
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12:09<Roll_Tide>aiux: going to install now :) might take little while. got fast computer but only doing the netist install. :)
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12:10<Zathraz>no /var/log/messages is quite full actually
12:10<Zathraz>and it runs fine from commandline: it produces html output in the subdir
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12:11<Zathraz>just running the script from apache2 gives the error
12:11<ani>hi all
12:11<jordanm>Zathraz: what version of apache2 and fwlogwatch?
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12:12<ani>i have issue with bluez ..its not able to pair my sony ericsson phone..
12:12<Zathraz>apache2 2.2.9-10+lenny6
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12:12<mtnman>hello
12:12<Zathraz>fwlogwatch 1.1-3
12:12<ani>any one have the same issue like me ^^
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12:12<Zathraz>ani, check logs. Question is too generic
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12:13<gsimmons>Zathraz: Did you read the note regarding /var/log/messages permissions in /usr/share/doc/fwlogwatch/README.Debian?
12:14<mtnman>i am trying to run an application which attempts to load fonts (adobe-helvetica-bold, fixed-medium-r-normal) but is unable to do so. the package ttf-freefont is installed. what am i missing??
12:15<Zathraz>gsimmons, apparently not. Shame on me. thanks
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12:17<Zathraz>however. it does not do the trick. Same issue
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12:18<mtnman>Torsten_W thanks again for the help with my yamaha soundcard the other day.
12:18<Torsten_W>np
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12:20<mtnman>are you any good with fonts? i'm having trouble with an application which is trying to load fonts (adobe-helvetica-bold, fixed-medium-r-normal) but fails to run because it cannot find those fonts. the package ttf-freefont is installed. what am i missing??
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12:21<dr|z3d>You're missing the specified fonts.
12:21<mtnman>dr
12:21<dr|z3d>adobe-* is not a free font.
12:21<dr|z3d>You need to locate those fonts and install them manually.
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12:21<mtnman>dr|z3d yes, but doesn't ttf-freefont provide alternatives to those?
12:22<ani>Zathraz i checked in ver/log but no log about bluez or blueman
12:22<mtnman>if not, where can i find those fonts? i've tried using apt-cache search but to no avail.
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12:22<dr|z3d>mtnman: You won't find those fonts in the repos.. they're commercial fonts.
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12:23<mtnman>df|z3d well at one point this application worked fine. it stopped working some time ago, perhaps when i upgraded to lenny.
12:23<dr|z3d>mtnman: Depending on what application is asking for them, you may be able to specify alternates.
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12:23<mtnman>dr|z3d yes, well i know that but don't know how to do so.
12:23<handjob>Hi. How can i increase font size in aplications like synaptic (pic. http://j.imagehost.org/0577/2010-05-04-51_1680x1050.png )?
12:23<Zathraz>ani, configure bluez to be more verbose. iirc bluez also reports in /var/log/messages and/or /var/log/syslog besides a bluez log
12:24<ani>oooo
12:24<dr|z3d>handjob: I gave you slightly misleading info the other day.. you actually want to increase your screen dpi.
12:24<dr|z3d>I'd assumed you'd worked it out yourself! You got the basic info.
12:24<jordanm>dr|z3d: you told him decrease last night, right?
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12:24<dr|z3d>jordanm: Indeed.
12:25<jordanm>ah.. close enough :p
12:25<dr|z3d>Debian users are expected to use initiative :)
12:26<mtnman>is "initiative" a new package manager or something? :)
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12:26<jordanm>even without initiative... plain logic would see -> decreased DPI made my fonts smaller -> increaded DPI must make it bigger
12:26<dr|z3d>Yup, yup.
12:27<Zathraz>got to go. thanks
12:27<ani>http://pastebin.com/qqeJ4gbK Zathraz
12:27<handjob>dr|z3d: Well i have read some things about messing with gtkrc's however i can't find the apropriate section. Are You shure dpi is good choice. I made some progress with thunderbird's css...and i was wandering is the dpi only option (seems like not very elegant sollution)?
12:27<dr|z3d>It's not the only option.. you can also edit different aspects of your fontsizes also, as you were told. :)
12:27<mtnman>so how can i specify alternatives to those fonts which do not seem to be available on my system?
12:28<dr|z3d>Usually configured from Settings -> Appearance or similar.
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12:28<handjob>OK thx.
12:28<dr|z3d>mtnman: What application are you using?
12:28<mtnman>xgammon
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12:28<mtnman>though i believe the particular application is not the issue.
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12:32<dr|z3d>mtnman: workaround. Install a better gammon app. :) gnubg recommended.
12:32<dr|z3d>judd versions gnubg
12:32<judd>gnubg -- etch: 0.14.3+20060923-4; lenny: 0.90-3; sid: 0.90+20091206-4; squeeze: 0.90+20091206-4
12:33<mtnman>dr|z3d you have not answered my question. thanks anyway.
12:33<dr|z3d>mtnman: It's non-trivial. Hence the workaround.
12:34<mtnman>dr|z3d you say so, but it was working on this system for a long time. it should not be that huge of an issue. its okay if you don't know how to fix it.
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13:15<Roll_Tide>Hi guys, I got debian installed now.
13:16<Roll_Tide>aiux, You still here?
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13:17<ani>i am trying to connect my phone via bluetooth dun but... no result
13:17<ani>ani@ani-desktop:~$ sudo sdptool browse 00:0F:DE:FF:DD:A6
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13:17<ani>Failed to connect to SDP server on 00:0F:DE:FF:DD:A6: File descriptor in bad state
13:18<ani>thats all i got
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13:21<Roll_Tide>How do you change the file manager again?
13:22<aiux>Roll_Tide, in gnome click System> File Management Preferences> Behavior> check 'Always open in browser windows'
13:22<ani>anyone plss help
13:22<ani>i am stuck at Failed to connect to SDP server on 00:0F:DE:FF:DD:A6: File descriptor in bad state
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13:23<aiux>ani, uname -r , says
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13:23<Roll_Tide>aiux, thanks got that. :)
13:23<Roll_Tide>What about the dual monitor setup?
13:24<ani>2.6.32-21-generic
13:24<Roll_Tide>well i take that back, I have 2 other things i would like to work on first...
13:24<ani>aiux ^^
13:24<Roll_Tide>When I installed squeeze, it installed 2 kernels. one normarl amd64 and another called "Trunk". What is this "Trunk" and it listed my windows install but didn't add it to the grub..
13:24<aiux>Roll_Tide, xrandr for monitors
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13:25<aiux>ani, ask in !ubuntu on irc.freenode.net
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13:25<aiux>#ubuntu , i meant
13:26<themill>Roll_Tide: the trunk kernel is an old one. You can safely remove that package if you've booted in to 2.6.32-3-amd64 now. (check uname -r)
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13:27<ani>aiux #ubuntu channel helpless .. i am weating there from 1hrs but no help from there.. can u help me plzz
13:27<Roll_Tide>themill, I'm booted into 2.6.32-3-amd64
13:28<aiux>ani, /msg dpkg -about they don't know
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13:29<Roll_Tide>themill, http://alabamahit.pastebin.com/muZVup7P that is results from uname -r
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13:30*Roll_Tide is still pretty noobish on linux.
13:30<themill>Roll_Tide: yeah, so you should be right to remove the package with the "trunk" kernel
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13:30<ani>aiux he reply me some funny msg
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13:31<Roll_Tide>brb phone
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13:31<aiux>ani, anyways you want help here , then install debian , period
13:32<ani>ok
13:32<ani>but ubuntu is a debian distro i though.
13:33<locklace>!bod
13:33<dpkg>Your distribution may be based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it probably falls short of Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. If your distribution has an IRC channel, you can use it instead. Even if your distribution has fewer people in its IRC channel, or doesn't have one, support for distributions other than Debian is off-topic on #debian.
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13:35<ani>Ooo thanks for info.. But bot its realy painfull to install anothere disro at this time.. any thanks for trying to help.
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13:39<Roll_Tide>themill, you know a decent tutorial to removing a kernel like that?
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13:42<jordanm>!testing
13:42<dpkg>Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <squeeze>. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting and ask me about <testing faq> <lenny->squeeze> <testing security> <moving target> <dda> <apt-listchanges> and <bts>. You should have a sound knowledge of Debian packaging to use testing and should be prepared for a bumpy ride at times. Don't use it on things that are critical or on servers.
13:43<jordanm>Roll_Tide: take extra note of "You should have a sound knowledge of Debian packaging to use testing"
13:44<Roll_Tide>jordanm, I understand taht. but I tried the lenny last week, spent 4 hours trying to get a video driver to work. Never did. squeeze was only one that did have vidoe work right. (other than the dual monitor just a setting not big deal right now). But Lenny don't/won't let me or don't have a dirver for my vidoe card.
13:45<jordanm>Roll_Tide: ... aptitude remove <name of kernel package>
13:45<Roll_Tide>jordanm, thanks :)
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13:46<Roll_Tide>I found this on internet was fixing to ask before you put that lol "dpkg --purge linux-image-NNN" NN would be the kernel. but your way looks alot better
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13:57<Roll_Tide>brb got to reboot
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14:24<paula>hello
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14:25<paula>olaaaaaaaa
14:26<kself>paula: if you've got a question, ask. If you don't, please keep your peace.
14:26<themill>!es-social paula
14:26<dpkg>paula: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador por favor ingresa al canal social de #debian-es con /join #debian-es-cachondeo. Tus amigos probablemente ya esten ahi.
14:27<kself>themill: dutch might be more appropriate.
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14:28<paula>ola
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14:29<mezimezim>Hi, looking for some help with Hamster applet
14:30<kself>mezimezim: Then ask.
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14:31<mezimezim>kself: :) my problem is I have (I think) deleted past activities and I would like to recover them....is that possible?
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14:32<kself>mezimezim: Dunno myself, but that's a better question than your first one ;-)
14:32<mezimezim>the "-" minus sign means "delete" I think, but this was far from being clear to me...
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14:33<mezimezim>kself: thanks!
14:34<mezimezim>kself: the hamster help says it stores data in /.local/share/hamster-applet/hamster.db and it suggests to use a mozilla addon to view the data, I installed the addon (SQLite manager), without success
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14:34<mezimezim>the folks at #gnome do not respond....
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14:35<kself>mezimezim: I'm not familiar with the app. If that's a berkelelydb format, you might use some of the berkeleydb utilities to dump the contents and examine them. Otherwise find out what the storage format is and use appropriate tools.
14:35<kself>mezimezim: I've never used or heard of hamster until now.
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14:36<kself>mezimezim: A mailing list post might also be helpful. Or a bug filing (even if it's close wontfix or whatever, it documents the issue).
14:36<mezimezim>hamster is a cool app to track the time you spend on different activities, I've been using it for > 1 yr now, quite useful
14:37<kself>mezimezim: Yeah, I checked the package description. I still know nothing about it ;)
14:37<mezimezim>kself: I don't think that it is a bug....now I know the f** "-" sign will delete my data!!!
14:38<mezimezim>kself: how would I do a mailing list post?
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14:40<kself>mezimezim: http://www.debian.org/MailingLists/ starting with debian-user
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14:41<kself>mezimezim: bug would be feature request/wishlist for deleted-data recovery
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14:42<mezimezim>kself: I see, in that case, yep it would be a bug
14:42<kself>mezimezim: Note that IME the usual answer is "no".
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14:43<mezimezim>ok
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14:44<kself>mezimezim: However: a UI which makes it trivially possible to unintentionally or inadvertantly delete crucial data *is* a usability bug. The GNOME people IME have been stone deaf to such feedback however. I'd still file the bug.
14:45<s4br3>Hi, I just upgraded my dual boot Asus EEE 1008HD. My Debian Sid but my gf's XP doesn't boot. I cannot find anything on Debian Bug which is similar enough. Could this be a new bug?
14:46<kself>mezimezim: ... and there's always the off chance you might be able to get your data back. Or find out how to back it up in a useful manner.
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14:46<mezimezim>thanks, hamster only recently became part of Gnome, maybe its developpers still have a good hearing capacity
14:46<s4br3>Debian Sid works fine, but XP doesn't start.
14:46<kself>s4br3: What's your /boot/grub/grub.cfg (or menu.lst) look like? GRUB1 or GRUB2?
14:46<s4br3>GRUB2 I guess
14:47<kself>s4br3: I had an issue where the chainloader reference (NTLDR pointer) had an off-by-one in GRUB2. Read (hd0,0), should have read (hd0,1).
14:47<s4br3>I can see the XP while booting up, but selecting it doesn't help
14:47<kself>s4br3: What's the error message if any? Or other behavior?
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14:48<s4br3>Just a blaack screen.
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14:48<kself>s4br3: /boot/grub/grub.cfg should have a line "set root=(hd#,#)" (where '#' is some number), followed by "chainloader +1".
14:48<s4br3>IIRC, the was a cursor blinking
14:48<kself>s4br3: Sounds like it's pointing somehwhere that doesn't have a full bootloader/chainloader.
14:49<kself>s4br3: pastebinning your GRUB config would be useful.
14:49<kself>!tell s4br3 about pastebin
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14:51<s4br3>I have a grub.cfg but no menu.lst
14:52<kself>s4br3: Then you're using GRUB2
14:52<kself>s4br3: Pastebin the file.
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14:52<s4br3>It is very long, and I have no Internet, unless I I unplug this machine...
14:52<pablito>ola
14:53<ale>ola
14:53<pablito>k tal??
14:53<pablito>por USA??
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14:54<s4br3>kself: It tells me not to edit it as it was automatically generated.
14:54<pablito>Hello everione
14:54<kself>s4br3: And that affects your pastebinning the file *how*?
14:54<kself>s4br3: I can help you if you let me. Not if you don't.
14:55<s4br3>kself: touché ;)
14:55<kself>!tell pablito about es-social
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14:55<s4br3>kself: ok, I unplug this machine
14:55<s4br3>cya
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14:56<pablito>olaa
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14:58<mezimezim>kself: thanks, I just filled my 1st bug report ever!
14:58<kself>:)
14:59<mezimezim>bye now!
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15:06<yfk>what should I use if I want to plot the occasional graph?
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15:07<Lethalman>yfk, dot?
15:08<yfk>dot?
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15:09<yfk>do plotting, if that's what you mean
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15:10<retrospectacus>gnuplot is worth learning imho
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15:11<dondelelcaro>gnuplot or R; the latter being more powerful, especially if you want to do statistics
15:11<dondelelcaro>(for trivial plots, gnumeric or oocalc would also work)
15:11<yfk>retrospectacus, dondelelcaro, thanks. getting gnu
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15:11<yfk>they're pretty trivial
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15:14<s4br3>kself: ok, Im on my EEE, had to install an irc reader
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15:17<s4br3>kself: http://pastebin.org/201661
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15:19<kself>yfk: What partition is your WinXP install on? sda3? Or something different?
15:19<kself>s4br3: ^^ sorry
15:19<cwood>Has anybody successfully duped the whole Debian perl packaging methodology to a custom perl installation? (Such as, if I wanted everything Debian has but I wanted it with perl 5.12.0 in Lenny in /opt/perl5.12.0)
15:19<kself>yfk: gnuplot for the easy stuff, R for the funky cool stuff.
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15:20<yfk>kself, I think It's sdb1, or maybe sdb2 (the other is the system reserve)
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15:23<s4br3>http://pastebin.org/201676
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15:23<kself>yfk: When booting, you can use GRUB interactively.
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15:24<yfk>kself, sometimes I do
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15:24<s4br3>yes, it responds, but XP won't commence
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15:25<kself>s4br3: erm. ^^
15:25<aiux>sure XP may boot from an extended partition ?
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15:25<kself>s4br3: ... and edit the boot commands. This does NOT change your grub.cfg file, but just affects the current boot.
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15:26<kself>s4br3: Try 'root=(hd0,1)' and 'chainloader +1'. See if that works.
15:26<s4br3>my gf used it, rebooted, and then it wouldn't start. She "didn't do anything"
15:26<kself>s4br3: ... other options would be (hd0,0) and (hd0,2).
15:26<kself>s4br3: Assuming you've only got one HD?
15:26<s4br3>kself: you mean edit it manually?
15:27<kself>s4br3: Probably not her fault.
15:27<kself>s4br3: Yes, you're booting interactively.
15:28<s4br3>yes, this comes with only one HD, prepartitioned into 2 x 80GB
15:28<s4br3>cya
15:29<kself>s4br3: OK. Probably have the wrong root HD specified.
15:29<kself>Good luck.
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15:42<mercutio22>!dpkg greet faure
15:42<dpkg>Wassup, faure
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15:45<wing>all - im trying to install module acx100 via m-a. the problem, so far. is when i run m-a it searches for the trunk kernel-headers when i need it to seach for the 2.6.32-3 kernel headers (which i have)...can anyone point me in the right direction so i can figure this out??
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15:46<jordanm>wing: if you have the trunk kernel, it should be removed. I would think that it would only try to use it if that is what you are currently running
15:46<aiux>!acx100
15:46<dpkg>Texas Instruments' ACX100/ACX111 802.11b wireless LAN chipsets are supported by the reverse-engineered acx driver. Lenny users, see http://wiki.debian.org/acx for installation instructions. Removed from testing due to build failure on Linux 2.6.32 (Debian bug #563474). This driver does not support <WPA>. Device matrix: http://acx100.sf.net/matrix.html http://acx100.sf.net/ #acx100 on irc.freenode.net.
15:47<wing>alright, thanks
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15:48<yfk>what is the goal of debian?
15:49<jordanm>yfk: thats a rather vague and open-ended question. maybe you would like to be more specific?
15:49<faure>!tell mercutio22 yes i did
15:49<Ox90>yfk, to provide software to let you use your computer?
15:50<yfk>what leads to the philosophy of no trademarks on the OS or other things canonical does
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15:51<Ox90>canonical has nothing to do with debian
15:51<jordanm>yfk: what does canonical have to do with debian?
15:51<Ox90>try #ubuntu
15:51<jordanm>!tell dfsg yfk
15:52<jordanm>!tell yfk about dfsg
15:52<jordanm>!tell yfk about debian policy
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15:52<yfk>canonical makes an OS which uses the same package system as debian...
15:52<s4br3|2>kself: hi, I failed. what does the "chainloader"? is it needed?
15:52<yfk>I guess there is a reason why they choose Debian as the base for Ubuntu...
15:52<jordanm>yfk: that does not make their philosophys the same
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15:53<s4br3|2>yfk: And, theyr are polluting the .deb space
15:53<yfk>s4br3|2, :)
15:53<kself>yfk: Your questions are largely answered in the Debian Social Contract, Debian Constitution, and Debian Policy.
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15:53<kself>yfk: Please do some basic homework and don't troll.
15:53<yfk>didn't mean to troll
15:54<jordanm>kself: I already linked him to two of those
15:54<kself>s4br3|2: yes, chainloader is required. That tells GRUB that there's another bootloader that it's handing off to, rather than an OS itself.
15:54<kself>jordanm: Thanks.
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15:55<kself>yfk: Markedly different philosophies can lead to very similar results and/or goals. Otherwise this is off-topic.
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15:55<s4br3|2>thx, but how does the numbering work? The plus sign in +1 , does it point to one above in the x as in root=(hd0,x)?
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15:56<s4br3|2>uit?
15:57<yfk>kself, I didn't mean to say there's similarity between debian's and canonical's philosophy because they use the same package system. The two have very different ways of making software
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16:06<Ree>hello, i'm a new would be debian user. just wanted to ask - wireless connection is not available during a netinst or business card installations, right?
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16:09<jordanm>Ree: it is available but WPA is not. there is a unofficial installer that offers this support
16:10<locklace>!tell Ree about kmuto
16:10<jordanm>Ree: In some cases you may need to load non-free firmware, which should be documented in the install guide
16:10<jordanm>!tell Ree about ig
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16:11<Ree>jordanm: my wlan card needs ath5k, i think it's support is built in already. however i need WPA. a pity. will have to use another method then
16:12<jordanm>Ree: see dpkg's pm about kmuto
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16:13<s4br3|2>!tell s4br3 about kmuto
16:13<jordanm>!tell s4br3|2 about msg the bot
16:13<Ree>jordanm: i guess i'll use one of the official debian images
16:14<s4br3|2>Ree: I use wicd
16:14<aiux>!ath5k
16:14<dpkg>[ath5k] a completely free (no proprietary HAL) driver for Atheros 802.11a/bg PCI wireless LAN chipsets. Included in Debian kernels since 2.6.24. See http://wiki.debian.org/ath5k for more information and supported devices. For AR5007* devices, ask me about <ar2425>. For 802.11n device support, ask me about <ath9k>. See also <backports.org>.
16:15<Ree>aiux: yeah, but as mentioned no WPA support. i won't be able to connect without it
16:15<locklace>dude, seriously...go the kmuto page
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16:16<jordanm>Ree: I was not recommending the official images, I was recommended the unofficial kmuto, as locklace linked you to
16:17<Ree>jordanm: yes, i understand that
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16:18<Ree>kmuto only has stable images?
16:18<Ree>seems so
16:19<locklace>the right way to install testing or unstable is to install stable and upgrade
16:19<Ree>locklace: i read it differently: testing->unstable
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16:20<Ree>locklace: that's why i was looking at netinst/businesscard images of testing on the debian site
16:21<aiux>Ree, unstable (sid) is not supported here
16:21<aiux>!sid
16:21<dpkg>sid is the <unstable> version of Debian. Sid is the destructive kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in; sid is not supported in #debian because sid users should be able to solve their own problems. Sid will never be released. See also <sid faq> <unstable>.
16:21<mruch>Ree: the netinst cd will give you a basic bootable system. then 'dpkg -i /cdrom/....' might give you network access. then 'aptitude install ....'. i've always avoided playing too long with the installer
16:22<Ree>aiux: i'm not asking for help about sid itself. just about the netinst images.
16:23<Ree> anyway, i have the answer. thanks everyone
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16:36<handjob>Hi. I don't remeber installing xfce4-panel, however, it is on my system. How or can I check what package installed it as a part or dependencie using apt / dpkg?
16:36<jordanm>handjob: aptitude why xfce4-panel
16:37<handjob>jordanm: Thx jordanm but can i do it using apt / dpkg?
16:37<jordanm>handjob: aptitude uses apt
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16:37<jordanm>!why aptitude
16:37<dpkg>aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution and will often find a solution where apt-get gives up. It can be used from the command line like apt-get plus an interactive resolver makes it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. It has advanced search capabilities (see <aptitude search>).
16:38<handjob>I am aware of that. You didn't answered.
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16:39<jordanm>handjob: I use aptitude for everything it is capable of so if apt-* or dpkg can do it, I am not aware
16:39<handjob>Thank You jordanm .
16:40<jordanm>handjob: since aptitude is part of the base install, I don't see why it matters
16:40<jordanm>handjob: anytime
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16:44<handjob>Bye.
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16:52<yoyo>Hiho ^^
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16:55<nextime>hello all. I have a local deb repo in my lan where i put some packages recompiled and/or repckaged by me for my personal usage. the repo is managed by reprepro and a set of shell scripts, and it is running from 4 years with only x86 packages. Now i want to have both x86 and amd64 packages, but when i build a source package that have also an _all.deb package, reprepro say that there is a conflict ( is already registered
16:56<nextime>which is the right way to solve this?
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17:07<Scynix>Alright, I need help forming a better understanding of something about *nix. I followed a guide for setting up a -secure- LAMP server, using TLS. Last night, I tried to set up openvpn for a different purpose, but after getting everything working the tls key won't validate. Does Debian (or all *nix?) keep all ssl keys in a centralized database, or is it localized to folders, or what?
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17:08<Roll_Tide>Hi everyone, I'm back. Had to handle some business. Ok, if someone from earlier is here. Thanks for the help with grub. That worked PERFECT. It not only removed the "trunk" but it also added my Windows Install :)
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17:09<dondelelcaro>Scynix: what is the reason that the key won't validate? [Normally it'll give you some indication of what the problem is.]
17:09<Roll_Tide>Now only thing I can't figure out myself is the Dual Monitor setup. My display is right. (Resolution is correct) The problem is it is hsowing the same on both screens (mirror not extended).
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17:10<dondelelcaro>Scynix: but there isn't a centralized database, unless you're talking about the accepted CAs
17:10<Roll_Tide>My video card is nvidie gtx 250
17:10<dondelelcaro>Roll_Tide: xrandr --output FOO --left-of BAR; or similar instad of xrandr --same-as
17:10<dondelelcaro>Roll_Tide: man xrandr; for details
17:10<dondelelcaro>(or right of, or switch BAR and FOO as appropriate; xrandr; to see what outputs those are)
17:11<Scynix>dondelelcaro: Well, both guides had me create the CA key, the server key, and the client key. The first guide works fine- everytihng is secure, running normally. The second guide, for the openvpn, all the key genreation works (albeit in a completely different location), but the client doesn't validate the key. Give me a second to pull up the log and I can tell you the error I get. I appreciate the help.
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17:12<Roll_Tide>dondelelcaro, thanks, will check this out :)
17:12<Roll_Tide>Quick question by the FOO you mean the resolution?
17:13<dondelelcaro>Roll_Tide: no, FOO and BAR are the output devices
17:13<dondelelcaro>Roll_Tide: for example, here I do something like: xrandr --output DVI0 --right-of VGA2
17:13<Roll_Tide>As in DVI1
17:13<Roll_Tide>ah
17:13<Roll_Tide>Cool
17:14<Roll_Tide>Thanks you :)(
17:14<Roll_Tide>:)
17:14<dondelelcaro>Scynix: does the client trust the CA?
17:14<dondelelcaro>Roll_Tide: np
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17:15<Roll_Tide>xrandr --output DVI0 --left-of DVI1 gave me this error "xrandr: screen cannot be larger than 1600x1600 (desired size 3200x900)"
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17:16<dondelelcaro>Roll_Tide: right, so you need to change the VirtualScreen size
17:16<dondelelcaro>Roll_Tide: there's some howtos on it around
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17:17<Roll_Tide>it is trying to go to max. My resolution is only 1600x900
17:17<dondelelcaro>Roll_Tide: yes, but the virtual screen when you have both side by side will be 3200x900
17:17<Roll_Tide>ah
17:17<dondelelcaro>Roll_Tide: you need to add a Display subsection, with something like Virtual 3360 1050 in it
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17:21<Scynix>dondelelcaro: sorry about that, had to boot up the system that has the log. It says TLS_ERROR: BIO read tls_read_plaintext error: error:140 90086:SSL routines:SSL3_GET_SERVER_CERTIFICATE:certificate verify faliure
17:21<Scynix>dondelelcaro: Tried googling portions of it, but didn't find anything helpful.
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17:23<Scynix>dondelelcaro: There's an error just before that error stating VERIFY nsCertTyep REROR: serverinformationhere, require nsCertType=SERVER
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17:29<Scynix>dondelelcaro: I feel like the issue might be that, because I followed the howto for openvpn, and created a completely new CA/Server/Client key from within the openvpn directory, it's not being associated with the already existing ssl/tls setup that other apps are using- but, then again, you mentioned they could be seperate, like two different tls databases, so I'm confused
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17:34<dondelelcaro>Scynix: sounds like the cert doesn't match the key, but I'm not totally certain... but yes, there isn't a centralized database or anything
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17:35<dondelelcaro>Scynix: so long as you have a valid public,private pair, and the certificate is accepted by the client (and for VPN, vice versa by the server) everything will "just work"
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17:35*dondelelcaro is out for the forceeable future, though
17:36<Scynix>dondelelcaro: Thats' why I'm stuck. I even redid the key. I spent a few hours last night reading and learning how the entire key process works, carefully remade all three keys, relaunched the openvpn, still got same error. The only other thing I can think of happening is that it's comparing the openvpn key to the old tls server key I generated for the LAMP setup, and not the new one.
17:36<Scynix>but they're in two completely seperate locations, so if, as you said, they aren't connected somehow, then I'm boggled.
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17:39<peej>Scynix, here's an openvpn article for lenny I wrote - maybe it will help? http://ecind.com/debianopenvpnart.html (it's a draft, feedback welcome)
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17:58*kself raises an eyebrow at dondelelcaro's comment.
17:58<cesurasean>i just installed debian ( powerpc version ) of lenny onto an imac. it's booting fine, but then goes to a black screen. how do i go about fixing this issue? only base station is installed, not gnome, etc...
17:58<kself>cesurasean: blank screen on boot, or after X starts? Do you see any console (text) messages?
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17:59<cesurasean>kself, i don't see anything console, it just goes to blank screen.
17:59<jordanm>cesurasean: there is #debian-ppc that might be more helpful
17:59<cesurasean>join #debian-ppc
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18:00<kself>jordanm: Try removing any 'vga=' lines at the boot prompt. Not sure what the boot manager is for PPC,
18:00<jordanm>cesurasean: as a start your can remove "quiet" from the kernel paramaters prior to booting. "e" from the grub menu to do so
18:00<cesurasean>no one is inside that channel
18:00<kself>jordanm: Sounds like you're going straight into an unusable video mode.
18:00<cesurasean>jordanm, it doesn't use grub
18:00<jordanm>kself: you want to talk to cesurasean
18:00<kself>jordanm: Probably ;-)
18:01<cesurasean>yes
18:01<cesurasean>its going straight into a bad video mode
18:01<kself>jordanm: Damn konversation. I'm used to irssi, should probably switch...
18:01<cesurasean>how do i fix this?
18:01<jordanm>cesurasean: ah, then back to #debian-ppc unless kself has some ideas
18:01<cesurasean>no one is inside #debian-ppc
18:01<cesurasean>:/
18:01<kself>cesurasean: Remove VGA lines. Optionally replace with 'vga=ask'
18:01<cesurasean>how do i boot for a command prompt?
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18:01<cesurasean>so i can give some commands?
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18:01<themill>it's #debianppc
18:01<jordanm>!ppc
18:01<dpkg>[powerpc] PowerPC is a <RISC> architecture (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PowerPC). See "Debian for PowerPC" at http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc . Debian CDs are not (and cannot be made) bootable on OldWorld PowerMacs. Information on proper partitioning is at http://www.alaska.net/~erbenson/doc/mac-fdisk-basics.txt . See also <yaboot>, <quik>, <bootx>. #debianppc on irc.oftc.net and irc.freenode.net.
18:01<kself>cesurasean: at irc.freenode.net/#debian, simonrvn is pretty experienced with PPC.
18:01<cesurasean>kself, which vga lines? located where?
18:02<kself>cesurasean: In your boot config. I'm assuming GRUB though I'm not familiar with how that hardware boots.
18:02<themill>or simonrvn's here too... and gratuitously highlighting him might get his attention
18:02<jordanm>themill: ...all the other specialized channels have a hyphen
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18:02<kself>cesurasean: assuming grub and an ability to boot interactively, edit the boot prompts.
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18:02<themill>jordanm: of course. You sound surprised....
18:02<kself>themill: point :)
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18:02<kself>simonrvn: Ping This is a gratuitous highlight.
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18:03<jcole>where is the best place to ask about ldap mappings
18:03<cesurasean>simonrvn, did you catch my question about ppc?
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18:03<jordanm>jcole: #openldap on irce.freenode.net
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18:03<jcole>jordanm: thank you sir
18:03<jordanm>jcole: i *think* that is the correct channel name
18:03<kself>jcole: make that irc.freenode.net. Extraneous 'e'.
18:03<jordanm>but you see how I did with the debianppc channel name a min ago...
18:04<jordanm>yeah, and im typoing networks and everything
18:04<kself>jordanm: freenode *typically* is pretty well populated. OFTC a little less so.
18:04*jordanm hides out for a bit
18:04<kself>jordanm: thankfully not a bite.
18:05<Scynix>peej: I'll take a look. Thanks, I appreciate it. OOC, am I just stupid? I had to use sudo -i to run the source/build commands because I have root disabled for log in, and my use account didn't have permission to use build.
18:05<jordanm>kself: yes, I have been a freenode user longer than a debian user
18:05<jordanm>Scynix: you can/should use fakeroot
18:05<kself>jordanm: Hrm.
18:06<kself>jordanm: Miss lilo?
18:07<jordanm>no lilo. my enthusiast days started with gentoo and grub
18:07<cesurasean>gdm is the one crashing on my system
18:07<kself>jordanm: lilo was the late Rob Levine, founder of freenode.
18:07<cesurasean>how do i remove or edit this to work, if i don't get a command prompt?
18:07<jordanm>kself: oh, I said something to you on freende but just noticed different hostnames
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18:07<cesurasean>using the debian cd?
18:08<kself>cesurasean: It's a one-time only change, only effects the current session.
18:08<cesurasean>kself, what do you mean?
18:08<cesurasean>kself, how do i go about fixing this so it works forever? even using a livecd if i need to?
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18:08<jordanm>kself: ah, no, I have not been around that long, but I am rather active
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18:09<kself>cesurasean: I mean: make the change, see if it works. If it doesn't, no fears. If it does, edit your boot config files directly.
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18:09<jordanm>cesurasean: if you can boot with kernel paramater init=/bin/sh you can do: mount -o remount,rw /; update-rc.d gdm remove -f; reboot
18:10<jordanm>cesurasean: that should give you a CLI when it boots back
18:10<cesurasean>jordan, how do i get to a command prompt to enter those?
18:10<jordanm>cesurasean: I am not sure what bootloader you are using... but in grub you hit "e" and add "init=/bin/sh". If your bootload has a "recovery mode" that may also work
18:11<cesurasean>it's not grub, it some other type
18:11<aiux>yaboot
18:11<Scynix>jordanm: I have no experience whatsoever with fakeroot. Does it have any compatibility issues or flaws if I build files with it?
18:11<jordanm>cesurasean: another alternative would be to boot a livecd and chroot into the install. #debianppc really would know more
18:12<jordanm>Scynix: be more specific on "build files"
18:12<jordanm>building debian packages?
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18:12<cesurasean>im using yaboot
18:13<aiux>cesurasean, ask #debianppc
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18:14<kself>aiux: that's a dead channel
18:14<kself>cesurasean: You're going to have to read some docs then ;-)
18:14<Scynix>jordanm: For example, generating tsl keys requires sourcing a folder, then running scripts that make the actuall key files in the keys folder. From googling it looks like fakeroot runs a command but it fakes ahving file manipulation privledges- which to me means it wouldn't actually have permissions. Unless I'm misunderstanding it.
18:14<aiux>cesurasean, you are not even entered there ...
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18:14<kself>aiux: We've already discussed the matter here.
18:15<jordanm>Scynix: it may not work in your case. I thought your orginal reference to "building" was talking of compiling or building a package
18:15<dondelelcaro># Allow pseudo headers to set x-debbugs- stuff [#179340]
18:15<dondelelcaro>for my $key (grep /X-Debbugs-.*/i, keys %pheader) { $header{$key} = $pheader{$key} if not exists $header{$key};
18:15<dondelelcaro>err, echan
18:15<jordanm>Scynix: it does not actually escalate privs
18:15*kself coffees dondelelcaro
18:15<cesurasean>jordanm, what is the live cd version of fixing this? will gdm ever work for my machine? can i not reconfigure it to work?
18:16<jordanm>cesurasean: you won't know until you can get on the machine and look at the logs to find out why its failing
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18:18<cesurasean>jordanm, how do i boot into command prompt at start of boot?
18:19<cesurasean>so i can remove gdm
18:19<cesurasean>that's the problem
18:19<jordanm>cesurasean: you will have to ask #debianppc because I do not know in your case
18:19<cesurasean>there is hardly anyone in that channel
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18:20<Scynix>jordanm: So.. wait... fakeroot can build packages? That actually helps, I appreciate it. I need to rebuild proftpd to fix a bug but I was also having a problem with not having build privledges so I had put it on the back burner. Thanks again.
18:20<aiux>cesurasean, there are 10
18:20<aiux>w/o you !!!
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18:38<chealer>On Debian Squeeze, if I try using Icedove to handle mailto links in Iceweasel, nothing happens. Icedove is set using "/usr/bin/icedove". The Launch Application popup closes when clicking OK, the MUA just doesn't come up (whether Icedove is already open or not). Selecting KMail works fine. Icedove itself works fine. I don't see any issue in the console or in .xsession-errors. Is this a known issue?
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18:43<jordanm>chealer: since it just moved to testing a week or two ago, there are likely some issues. have you already checked the bts?
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18:45<chealer>jordanm: yes. note that the last update was just from 3.5.8-1 to 3.5.9-2
18:46<jordanm>chealer: perhaps it was longer than that.. I just remember building it from sid and then it getting moved to testing a few days later... seemed very recent
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18:49<chealer>any idea how to debug this?
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18:49<chealer>the issue affects all users on this system (2).
18:49<jordanm>chealer: I will update the version on my laptop and check in a few
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18:50<chealer>well, more basic, does anyone have mailto links working with iceweasel -> icedove on squeeze?
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18:51<chealer>I would be very surprised if nobody had reported such a bug in at least 9 days, but anyway.
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18:52<Scynix>Is there a method for giving build permission to a user account?
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18:55<aiux>fakeroot ?
18:55<jordanm>Scynix: did you try: dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot?
18:55<jordanm>which I think functions differently than: fakeroot dpkg-buildpackage. could be wrong though
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18:59<Scynix>gotta go work on a system, I'll try fakeroot when I get a chance. I should have just tried it instaed of asking now that I think about it. Thanks for the info.
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19:02<chealer>oh, I see. there's a load of run-mozilla.sh and icedove processes open (surely as many as attempts to get Icedove)
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19:03<jordanm>chealer: I upgraded icedove and iceweasel to latest testing version and "works for me"
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19:34<ComradeHaz`>Evening all. Is there anyone around familliar with smartmon? I waant to schedule an extended test weekly and be mailed the results, but struggling to nail down the correct syntax to use in the .conf file
19:34<ComradeHaz`>Anyone able to assist?
19:35<jcdubacq>anybody knows why my motd becomes empty at (maybe ir)regular points in time? I suspect update-notifier, but I don't get it?
19:36<jcdubacq>(read: I do not understand how this user process could erase my /etc/motd)
19:36<jcdubacq>/etc/init.d/bootlogs puts back the correct motd, but it disappears after a while
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19:38<ComradeHaz`>what's in your /etc/motd.tail?
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19:38<jcdubacq>some text
19:39<jcdubacq>(typed by me)
19:39<ComradeHaz`>is it what you want?
19:39<jordanm>jcdubacq: the motd is generated on boot from /etc/motd.tail
19:39<ComradeHaz`>indeed, wot he sed.
19:39<ComradeHaz`>and I believe at other intervals too
19:39<jcdubacq>yes. But after a while, it becomes empty
19:39<jcdubacq>and sometimes it says "XX packages to upgrade"
19:40<ComradeHaz`>lol. Odd.
19:40<jcdubacq>so I think the guilty one is update-notifier.
19:40<ComradeHaz`>I've never seen that, fwiw
19:40<ComradeHaz`>(I run update-notifier)
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19:44<jcdubacq>so your /etc/motd is pristine?
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19:48<luis_>hello
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19:56<ml|>ComradeHaz`: you want the -m option; look at /etc/smartd.conf and manpage for examples; I have it set to mail only incase of problems and use logwatch to mail me the results of the short and long tests
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20:03<chealer>jordanm: thank you
20:04<chealer>does experimental's iceweasel work or segfault at startup for others, on squeeze i386?
20:05<ComradeHaz`>ml|, yer, sorry, I should have been more specific. I think I am OK with the mail bit
20:05<ComradeHaz`>it's getting it to scan all disls on schedule I'm struggling with
20:06<chealer>nevermind
20:06<ComradeHaz`>I have: DEVICESCAN -m root -M exec /usr/share/smartmontools/smartd-runner -s L/../../3/01 at the moment, but it doesn't seem to be working. I have restarted smartmon. Do I need to restart cron or anything too?
20:06<ml|>ComradeHaz`: look at the examples in /etc/smartd.conf and manpage; if you want I can give you another
20:07<ComradeHaz`>Yer, I have, that's where I got that from.
20:07<chealer>it segfaults (#580283)
20:07<ComradeHaz`>Would I expect that job to end up in roots weekly crontab?
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20:11<ml|>ComradeHaz`: I add a line for each disk, for example: /dev/sdc -a -d sat -o on -S on -s (S/../.././04|L/../../7/05) -m root -M exec /usr/share/smartmontools/smartd-runner ; # test /dev/sdc short test = between 04-05 daily; long test = sunday between 05-06 and send an email to root if any problems occur
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20:12<ComradeHaz`>hmm, I suppose I could try that
20:12<ComradeHaz`>does it end up in your cron tab when you do?
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20:13<ml|>I don't think so, as I never touched cron
20:14<ComradeHaz`>Hmm
20:14<ComradeHaz`>how's it scheduled then?
20:14<ml|>the daemon takes care of that
20:15<ComradeHaz`>Ahh, of course.
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20:16<ComradeHaz`>What does your schedule do
20:16<ComradeHaz`>I don;t understande regualr expressionsyet!
20:17<ml|>read the description at the end after ';'
20:17<ComradeHaz`>short test daily at 04 and long sunday 3am?
20:17<ComradeHaz`>Oh, mate, sorry
20:17<ComradeHaz`>:D
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20:17<ComradeHaz`>Loooong day
20:18<ml|>np
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20:22<ComradeHaz`>OK, thanks ml|, think I'm sorted
20:22<ComradeHaz`>Bed time
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20:22<ComradeHaz`>:)
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20:22<ml|>ComradeHaz`: np, also if you are curious look at /var/log/daemon.log
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20:29<Scynix>Will apt-get or aptitude remove/purge completely remove all related files/folders for a given app, or does it behave like windows, in that it'll leave files created by users and/or folders which contain the files? After "practicing" with installing various applications and reinstalling the os itself, I need a better understanding of... how much "junk" is left after all tihs.
20:31<ml|>aptitude purge removes all, but not your ~/. files for a specific app
20:31<aiux>man aptitude
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20:34<ml|>also aptitude will not remove directories that are not empty, so read what aptitude tells you; stuff like that you have to manually remove
20:34<jordanm>aiux: man dpkg gives a much better description of what purge does than the aptitude one
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20:41<jcdubacq>found it
20:41<jcdubacq>it's pam_motd
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20:44<Scynix>aiux: Unfortunately, after reading man aptitude, twice, it still didn't answer my question about loose files.
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20:48<Scynix>Then again I may have actually been wording my question wrong. Thanks for the info though, everyone.
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21:31<cesurasean>8:30:52 PM) cesurasean: im unable to load xorg correctly on a fresh install on an imac
21:31<cesurasean>(8:31:01 PM) cesurasean: one of the older, colorful imacs at that.
21:31<cesurasean>(8:31:19 PM) cesurasean: install goes fine, but booting into linux is bad. can i use a livecd to get this working?
21:32<aiux>cesurasean, again double posting !
21:32<cesurasean>sorry
21:32<cesurasean>im angry debian won't work correctly.
21:32<cesurasean>i don't know much about yaboot.
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21:33<cesurasean>im at the yaboot boot screen
21:34<aiux>cesurasean, read installation guide for ppc ..
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21:36<cesurasean>how do i edit xorg using yaboot?
21:37<cesurasean>xorg is the problem, clearly
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22:36<cesurasean>how do i edit xorg files without being able to boot up into a command prompt, etc. is there a method to get to command prompt i do not know about? i need to edit refresh rates for my monitor and im not sure how to do it with yaboot.
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23:40<chealer>I reported the Iceweasel -> Icedove mailto bug on Squeeze as #580297.
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23:45<jordanm>chealer: I know this is late, but try /usr/bin/icedove %s
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23:53<chealer>jordanm: that doesn't work at all, Iceweasel expects a file (there's even a file picker)
23:53<cesurasean>how do i get this darn xorg to work correctly?
23:54<cesurasean>can someone give me some good hints?
23:54<cesurasean>edit xorg.conf?
23:55<cesurasean>failoed to start xserver
23:55<cesurasean>fatal error, no screens found
23:55<aiux>!yaboot
23:55<dpkg>yaboot is the primary bootloader for New World Apple Macintosh, IBM RS/6000, IBM pSeries and IBM OpenPower machines. ybin (YaBoot INstaller) installs yaboot on to New World Power Macs (it's akin to /sbin/quik or /sbin/lilo). ybin can also create dual boot menus for GNU/Linux and MacOS(X). HOWTO at http://www.alaska.net/~erbenson/doc/yaboot-howto.htm . http://yaboot.ozlabs.org/ Not for OldWorlds, ask me about <quik>.
23:56<cesurasean>everything seems to be fine except my xorg WHICH should have ben automatically found by the deb installer.
23:56<cesurasean>this is bullshit if you ask me
23:56<cesurasean>why were they never included? different video cards?
23:58<aiux>cesurasean, explain you issue on mailing list http://lists.debian.org/debian-powerpc/
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