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---Logopened Wed May 05 00:00:07 2010
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00:00<cesurasean>what driver is the ATI Technologies Inc Rage Pro 215GP?
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00:00<cesurasean>is it r128?
00:00<cesurasean>perhaps that the cause for it not working
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00:00<aiux>cesurasean, so console it works ?
00:00<Guest330>alguien habla español
00:01<cesurasean>yes i can console
00:01<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat
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00:01<aiux>cesurasean, network it works ?
00:01<cesurasean>im loaded to debian now, just no gdm
00:01<cesurasean>i just need to configure xorg and im done
00:01<cesurasean>for some reason it didnt do it auto like it should have
00:02<aiux>i meant on powerpc imac ?
00:02<cesurasean>ppc imac
00:02<cesurasean>what driver does my card use?
00:02<cesurasean>ATI Technologies Inc Rage Pro 215GP
00:03<aiux>aptitude install xorg gnome-core gdm
00:04<aiux>cesurasean, xorg will install driver for you card too
00:04<cesurasean>its not installing the dorect ones
00:05<cesurasean>all of those packages you gave me are already installed
00:05<aiux>cesurasean, no needs to do xorg.conf , it is generate automatically
00:05<cesurasean>the first one generated does not seem to work
00:05<cesurasean>gives me black screen
00:06<aiux>so do , grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log < and paste it
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00:07<aiux>also grep Drive /etc/X11/xorg.conf
00:08<aiux>and xorg.conf
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00:09<cesurasean>cant paste outputs
00:09<cesurasean>no GUI
00:10<cesurasean>what is the driver to my certain video card?
00:10<cesurasean>seems it needs to be specified in xorg
00:10<aiux>cesurasean, install pastebinit
00:11<aiux> grep Drive /etc/X11/xorg.conf < and tell us the video Drive used
00:12<aiux>lspci -nn | grep VGA < says ?
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00:13<aiux>cesurasean, if needed install pciutils for lspci command ..
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00:16<cesurasean>00:12.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc 3D Rage Pro 215GP (rev 5c)
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00:17<cesurasean>i need a correct xorg to make that card work. please.
00:17<cesurasean>aiux, you get those messages?
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00:17<aiux>cesurasean, mom
00:17<Pragat>i need help regarding Cdebconf
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00:22<aiux>cesurasean, we need xorg.conf too (paste it)
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00:24<aiux>change VertRefresh 75-117 to VertRefresh 50-75 , line 55
00:25<cesurasean>aiux, is the driver correct?
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00:25<aiux>and Driver "ati" , line 33
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00:28<chealer>cesurasean: yes, r128
00:28<aiux>for basic testing ati works too
00:29<cesurasean>which one should it be? ati, or r128?
00:29<aiux>try both
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00:30<cesurasean>ati works
00:31<cesurasean>should i try the other, or does it matter?
00:31<cesurasean>why try the other?
00:31<aiux>try it !
00:31<Pragat>any idea regarding Cdebconf
00:31<ViCiO>any ideas about usb 3.0?
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00:34<ViCiO>anybody there?
00:34<dpkg>[usb] (Universal Serial Bus) A technology that has replaced the way that some peripheral devices connect to a computer. It is much faster than serial and parallel communications. It is also much more flexible: many devices can be connected to simultaneously. USB 3.0 is supported by the Linux kernel since 2.6.31. See also <usbreset>.
00:35<ViCiO>;) so linux already had support for it heh
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00:36<chealer>cesurasean: ati and r128 are equivalent.
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00:38<brylie>Is there a way to get more up-to-date package releases such as OpenOffice3 or GIMP 2.6?
00:39<aiux>, versions
00:39<judd> -- etch: 2.0.4.dfsg.2-7etch6; etch-security: 2.0.4.dfsg.2-7etch9; etch-backports: 1:2.4.1-12~bpo40+1; lenny: 1:2.4.1+dfsg-1+lenny3; lenny-security: 1:2.4.1+dfsg-1+lenny6; squeeze-security: 1:3.1.1-15+squeeze1; lenny-backports: 1:3.2.0-4~bpo50+1; squeeze: 1:3.2.0-4; sid: 1:3.2.0-9
00:39<aiux>, versions gimp
00:39<judd>gimp -- etch: 2.2.13-1etch4; etch-security: 2.2.13-1etch4; lenny: 2.4.7-1; sid: 2.6.8-3; squeeze: 2.6.8-3
00:40<aiux>brylie, on lenny ??
00:41<brylie>I think so.
00:42<aiux>cat /etc/debian_version
00:42<aiux>openoffice 3 is on lenny-backports
00:43<aiux>gimp2.6 on squeeze only
00:43<aiux>!tell brylie -about lenny-backports
00:44<brylie>Would upgrading to squeeze be fraught with peril?
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00:44<aiux>brylie, no use lenny-backports
00:45<brylie>OK, thank you very much aiux :-)
00:45<aiux>yw , and for gimp2.6 try /msg dpkg ssb
00:46<chealer>brylie: since when do you use Debian / GNU/Linux?
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00:47<brylie>chealer, since about 2006-2007.
00:49<chealer>brylie: you can't rely on testing, but feel free to try it. if you have free time, you'd rather try testing then hunting for backports and backporting yourself with no specific reason.
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00:57<brylie>OK, that is worth consideration.
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01:00<brylie>, versions gnome
01:00<judd>gnome -- etch: 1:; lenny: 1:2.22.2~5; sid: 1:2.28+7; squeeze: 1:2.28+7
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02:04<Scynix>alright, I'm frustrated and I know it's because of my own ignorance. I'm trying to re-re-re set up something. I need to execute a series of commands to build TLS keys. sudo doesn't work due to the nature of source/build. I can't use my user because I don't have build permissions. What's the best solution to this? Give myself permissions? Create a new user for this app, change the /etc/appname owner to the new user, and work from the
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02:19<buffin>has anyone else had any trouble with for updates? I can't seem to get it to work with apt-get or aptitude (squeeze)
02:19<buffin>I can ping it, but everytime I try to install something I get 404 not found
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02:21<twb>Currently if you want to PXE-boot d-i, you have to download the kernel and initrd, and run a local TFTP server.
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02:21<buffin>apparently I just needed to update
02:21<twb>But TFTP works across networks, so you could conceivably have a that provides those kernels and ramdisks to everyone
02:22<buffin>informative error fail
02:22<prem>buffin, can you open that site in your browser..?
02:22<twb>How do I request that someone (DSA?) set up and maintain such a TFTP service on
02:22<buffin>prem: yes
02:22<buffin>I could ping it too
02:22<buffin>really really odd
02:22<buffin>but an 'aptitude update' fixed it
02:22<prem>buffin, then maybe some prob with the entry in sources.list file..
02:23<buffin>must have desynched my local cache.. but I don't see why that's a 404
02:23<prem>make sure that is in correct format buffin
02:23<buffin>prem: nope, everything is fine there
02:23<buffin>I just finished grabbing the package I need.. so it must be right :P
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04:04<Scynix>I apologize for this question but now that I'm stuck thinking about it, is the command shell environment on debian "bash" ?
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04:09<ml|>Scynix: bash is the default shell; echo $SHELL
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04:12<Scynix>ml|: If I may bother you one moment longer, commands that are processed through this shell, are they based on the shell itself? For example the list command- is that a part of the bash shell?
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04:14<buffoon_work>Scynix, mainly you call programms from your shell... but if you're making some loops, attach more commands with && or ; you're using features from bash
04:14<Scynix>buffoon_work: so, in my example, when we type "ls" to list the contents of the directory, is that because of a function designed for and handled by the shell itself, or is it some kind of global command written outside of shell, IE a program that can be called from anywhere?
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04:17<buffoon_work>Scynix, ls is a program itself and can be called from any directory. Bash looks up if the program exists in your $PATH variable and executes it in the current directory
04:17<k1lumin4t1>anybody using apt-mirror recently?
04:18<handjob>Hi! I am looking for a file responsible for fireing up openbox. Xinitrc links to Xsession which does not even mention openbox.
04:18<k1lumin4t1>I am having issues with it
04:18<Scynix>buffoon_work: suddenly I find myself with far more clarity. I really appreciate your help, thank you.
04:18<buffoon_work>Scynix, you're welcome
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04:20<k1lumin4t1>First of all apt-mirror doesn't get the mirror completely in one pass
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04:22<ml|>Scynix: /msg dpkg grounding and anything you would like to learn in <>, also ask dpkg
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04:24<Scynix>ml|: I've actually been doing that, it's how I read about building packages and what not, unfortunately sometimes I have a very... basic question, and googling such a question, proves to be difficult at best. For example, at the moment I'm trying to figure out how to correct video settings, but no matter what I search for I end up with xwindows information- which I'm not using. Oi.
04:25<Scynix>ml|: I'll burn half an hour-hour trying to dig through page and pages of info before I give up and ask here. Sorry if I'm bothering you.
04:26<ml|>no bother just some info so you learn
04:28<ml|>Scynix: you mean resolution for tty?
04:29<Scynix>ml|: Yeah. I installed debian(lenny) without xwindows, but I wanted to change bash's font. I researched and found out how, but unfortunately 90% of the fonts dont work, and I believe its because the system is set to teh wrong driver. It was in xwindows before this installation. Unfortunately, now that I'm nto working with the xwin config files, I have no idea what to look for now.
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04:30<Scynix>Er, rather, it was set to the wrong driver when I had been using xwindows, so it stands to reason a reinstall, with or without the gui, would still be setting the wrong driver for the card. However I haven't really gotten to the... hardware management specifics of *nix yet. I get the impression I should be reading the entire subject in general at this point.
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04:36<ml|>look at /boot/grub/menu.lst to change the tty resolution; btw that's for grub-legacy which is default in lenny
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04:37<MarGarina>grr, got something that looks like a filesystem corruption with deb unstable
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04:38<Scynix>ml|: I'm afraid that confused me more. tty is what? the interwebz seems to say its the terminal, but is Bash not the terminal?
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04:38<MarGarina>Haha! it works with an older kernel
04:39<MarGarina>something got screwed with recent sid kernel in areas of lvm or dm-crypt
04:39<ml|>dpkg tty
04:39<dpkg>hmm... tty is an abbreviation for "teletype". More generically, it refers to any terminal or terminal emulator.
04:39<Scynix>so is bash inheriting settings from it, then? x_X
04:40<Scynix>strange, I don't even have a menu.lst
04:40<ml|>bash is a shell
04:41<ml|>are you using lenny?
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04:41<Scynix>Clearly I'm not understanding what it means to be a shell then. Is it purely an interpreter and nothing else? It just processes commands? Yes, Lenny. The latest build available on the official page.
04:42<ml|>hmm, and you don't have /boot/grub/menu.lst ?
04:43<Scynix>Nope. A whole ton of .mod files, grub.cfg file that is compiled from ... /etc/default/grub
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04:45<ml|>ok, do aptitude search '~i ~n(grub)'
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04:45<Scynix>Two results, grub-common and grub-pc
04:45<neria>Scynix: A shell is a command launcher with some builtin functions and facilities (like completion ...)
04:46<ml|>hmm, weird and this is a fresh lenny install?
04:47<Scynix>ml|: Fresh is debatable, haha. But yes, I installed it a few days ago. Fourth or fifth time now. Been trying to learn the basics from the Debian article on "learning *nix". Unfortunately I have a bad habit of jumping around to things that peak my interest. Like changing the huge font.
04:47<old>Scynix: You have GRUB2, there's no menu.lst in it.
04:47<Scynix>neria: thanks, I wasn't aware it was so ... specific. :o
04:48<Scynix>So.. I apologize, but, I realize grub is the boot loader, is it also what handles the ... herm.. graphics? the output to the display, as it were?
04:48<old>Scynix: edit /etc/default/grub and run update-grub2.
04:49<ml|>Scynix: ok, just curios why you have grub-pc and not grub-legacy installed; did you manually install grub-pc? or maybe they changed the lenny installer to use grub-pc by default
04:50<Scynix>ml|: I used the expert install but I didn't change any settings that I didn't understand and/or couldn't locate information on. So it should be whatever is flagged by default.
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04:51<ml|>to change the resolution for grub-pc is a bit different, what version of grub-pc do you have?
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04:52<old>ml|: It's GRUB_GFXMODE in /etc/default/grub.
04:53*old will be back in couple of hours.
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04:53<ml|>that's only for grub2 menu tho
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04:54<Scynix>ml|: I haven't the foggiest on what version it is. I'm looking at grub2 pages at the moment though and found info on changing the framebuffer-- what old just mentioned, actually, however since I haven't set the system to use the "nv" drivers (and can't seem to find the file I do that in now) I suspect changing this may not work
04:55<ml|>aptitude show grub-pc
04:56<Scynix>eesh I've learned a lot about aptitude today. It says version 1.96 (20080724-16)
04:57<ml|>for grub-pc 1.98 you can use the following ... GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD_LINUX= in /etc/default/grub
04:58<fixl>when will iceweasel 3.6 move from experimental to unstable?
04:58<Scynix>my favorite etr
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05:02<ml|>Scynix: I don't use lenny, but read the following... the first couple of posts
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05:03<ml|>not sure if that will work with your version and will need to be repeated on new kernel installs
05:03<notworkn>hi, I have a problem whereby when I am trying to add a rule to iptables..
05:03<notworkn>here is the rule I am trying to add
05:03<notworkn>iptables -A PREROUTING -d -p tcp -m tcp --dport 4000 -j DNAT --to-destination
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05:05<notworkn>here are my existing rules
05:05<Scynix>The more I repeat the more I memorize/learn. I do have one more question if you don't mind- how can I tell if specific hardware is detected and functioning properly? Or rather, if I want to find a document explaining configuring my video card with the shell environment, what phrase could I look for? All I'm finding is explanations to xorg.conf (which isn't installed now) and long winded how to play movie guides. I need basics for configuration.
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05:06<notworkn>I keep getting an error about no chain/target/match by that name
05:07<ansgar>notworkn: Hurray for using JPEG screenshots when copy&paste (to a pastebin) would do. You seem to miss -t nat.
05:07<notworkn>ansgar: what?
05:07<notworkn>you are hassling me for using a jpg?
05:08<Scynix>I'd worry less about the jpg comment and more about the fact he still helped you. :o
05:09<notworkn>where in the commnd would -t nat go?
05:09<notworkn>Scynix: I am just curious as to why the objection of the jpg is all, I don't understand?
05:10<locklace>Scynix: assuming your system has a pci bus, the first step to get a snapshot of detected hardware is "lspci"; also "dmesg" gives you output from each part of the kernel as it initialises, including drivers
05:10<locklace>you can use "lsusb" and its various options to see details about attached usb devices
05:11<ansgar>notworkn: "iptables -t nat -A ..." should work
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05:12<notworkn>I am still trying to find the location of the script which issues those commands from the jpeg, but look as I might, I can't find anywhere.
05:12<notworkn>I found that information in webmin
05:12<notworkn>but it doesn't say where it read the commands from except iptables-save
05:12<dpkg>Webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." See about the removal from Debian. Don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality.
05:12<ansgar>notworkn: Two reasons: JPEG is not good for screenshots (PNG looks better), plain text is easier to edit if needed.
05:13<notworkn>ansgar: noted for future reference
05:13<notworkn>locklace: well to be fair I have more information in 5 minutes from webmin than 3 days in IRC trying to figure this out
05:14<notworkn>there must be a way to work backward from what I do have, to work out what script runs to configure iptables on startup
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05:15<notworkn>how likely is it that the jpg contains chucks of the exact script in plain text, is it feasible to search the entire machine for the text in the jpg and see what comes up?
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05:16<Scynix>locklace: So if lspci (hah, list pci, clever) shows my video card correctly (VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation G73), but the only video related line I can find in dmesg is "Console: colour VGA+ 80x25", what am I being told? The device is improperly configured, or at least, not initializing properly?
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05:17<Scynix>locklace: When I first installed debian I used xwindows/xorg. It didn't auto detect, or even properly set the graphics driver, I had huge resolution problems. It turned out I had to change xorg.conf to the "nv" driver- now that I'm no longer using xorg, I get the distinct impression the system is still using the device improperly, but google searches for "console graphics card configuration" turn up ... totally unrelated results x_X
05:17<locklace>Scynix: x is a different story; for info on x, including graphics driver initialisation, look in /var/log/Xorg.0.log
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05:18<locklace>Scynix: also try lspci -k, which will tell you which kernel driver is loaded for each device, if any
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05:18<amol112>hi all, alsactl gives error as no stste is present for card
05:19<notworkn>because I have been unable to find the script, I added this new command to one of the other boot scripts called, I just want to be sure that command won't overwrite the existing commands
05:19<ml|>Scynix: like locklace just said X is different; read what I suggested above
05:19<notworkn>-A is definately append right?
05:19<locklace>Scynix: if you're not using x, then what do you even need from your graphics card? any card can do a plain text console
05:22<francisc>someone knows how to run tshark without getting /tmp/etherXXX files?
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05:25<Scynix>locklace: I was assuming that, but as my knowledge with *nix in general is pathetic at best, I can only identify issues somewhat limitedly. For example, following what ml| has mentioned, I figured out how to set framebuffer resolution for the console, and even change the font of the console- I attempted to use the first popular font I found just to test (something called "terminus"), however most of the smaller sizes give me a video related error- the same ki
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05:26<locklace>framebuffer is another thing altogether, and is a twisty maze of dark and dangerous passageways, all different
05:26<ml|>Scynix: your text got cutoff at 'the same ki' nothing after that
05:27<Scynix>same kind of error in xwindows, ml
05:27<Scynix>Sorry, I'm using pidgin as i'm working on three computers at once~ haha, it seems to not know character limits apparently.
05:27<locklace>and what kernel version are you using
05:27<locklace>(you can find out with uname -r)
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05:28<locklace>ok, you should really upgrade that as soon as possible
05:28<locklace>,kernels --release lenny-backports
05:28<judd>Available kernel versions are: lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.4-686 (2.6.32-11~bpo50+1)
05:28<locklace>go to and download that one, install it with dpkg -i and reboot
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05:29<taushif>how do you add event sounds on xubuntu?
05:29<locklace>there are huge differences in hw support between the kernel you have and that one
05:29<Scynix>bwah? ohh.. you mean update it with a backport... yeah, that's something I'm still working on understanding. :o
05:29<dpkg>Xubuntu is a derivative of <Ubuntu> with the <Xfce> desktop environment. It is not supported in #debian, join #xubuntu on for support. See also <based on debian>.
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05:31<locklace>Scynix: just download it from this page and install it with dpkg -i
05:31<Scynix>Yeah, doing that now
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05:32<ml|>Scynix: to understand backports, just read.. Introduction
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05:33<Scynix>ml|: I picked up the jist of it here, actually, but that seems to have a lot more info, so I'll read that next. Thanks.
05:35<Scynix>out of curiousity, locklace, is it a bad idea to follow the "how to" on the backports site, and simply add backports to the list file and let apt-get update that way? Or will it end up updating every possible package if I had done it that way?
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05:37<ml|>if you plan on using bpo for more stuff, you can choose to follow the instructions
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05:39<EmleyMoor>I'm trying out a WinTV USB on my laptop - but the picture colours are hideously wrong
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05:40<EmleyMoor>Why woeld that be?
05:40<EmleyMoor>I can tune stations OK
05:40<locklace>Scynix: it's better to avoid actually adding the backports to your sources.list if you can, and for a kernel package, you can
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05:43<ml|>locklace: why is that?
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05:44<locklace>basically just to reduce the likelihood of accidentally pulling a bunch of stuff in from the backports repos
05:44<ml|>I see
05:45<Scynix>locklace: because I can download it directly. Makes a lot of sense. Thank you.
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05:46<Scynix>locklace: Herm, I downloaded it, ran dpkg -i and it's telling me dependency problems prevent configuration, package depends on linux-base, however linux-base is not configured yet
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05:46<amol>hi all my sound cards detected in /proc/sound/cards but alsactl says no state is found for card
05:47<amol>* /proc/asound/cards
05:48<amol>any configuration require to be done for getting creating state for sound card..
05:48<amol>sound card is connected through PCI card
05:48<locklace>Scynix: forgot about that linux-base thing, guess you need that one too
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05:55<amol112>in which file alsactl checks state is available or not for particular sound card
05:55<amol112>is it /etc/asound.conf?
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06:04<Scynix>locklace: it looks like the update actually went through, but I get a kernel panic because the update changes the device locations and some other stuff thats way over my head at the moment. The old kernel still works fine.
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06:07<EmleyMoor>Anywhere good for USB TV support?
06:09<handjob>Hi again. Trying to fix xfce panel problem and I've got some questions regarding it. I went throu all the /etc/X11/ directory and i could not find any file responsible for executing exec openbox or similar acction. Strange itsn't it? Any ideas where it may be? Also I am looking at this topic and i wandering why in the last post in the .xinirc the operator & is not used all the time when startin
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06:25<dennis_p>aptitude wanted to remove 1000 packages to resolve but all i wanted was to install a single xml file of the freedict.
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06:26<dennis_p>can i reverse the update command and just install the single file?
06:27<dennis_p>or can i ignore incompatibilies of todays server chaos and install the single file file without aptitude trying to resolve anything else
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06:27<EmleyMoor> Is there a way to get hardware YIY2 overlay support on an Intel GMA4500MHD?
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06:28<Scynix>Is there a way to remove an updated kernel?
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06:29<EmleyMoor>That should be YUY2
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06:35<EmleyMoor>Damn - video improvements need squeeze minimum
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06:36<mercutio22>EmleyMoor: which video improvements?
06:36<EmleyMoor>mercutio22: DRM for one - on a GM45
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08:04<lancelot_of>hi all
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08:04<lancelot_of>how to make openoffice not to be affected by specific gtk theme?
08:04<lappert>i forgot the command for mounting iso files, isn't it something like sudo mount -t iso9660 myisofile.iso /media/iso -o loop ?
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08:05<petemc>lappert: you shouldnt need to specify the type, mount -o loop foo.iso /mnt/foo
08:05<lappert>Ok, thanks
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08:06<lappert>trying to get oblivion to work in wine atm :P
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08:07<lappert>i should just open the patcher in wine too i suppose
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08:09<lancelot_of>maybe any openoffice channel anywhere?
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08:10<themill>lancelot_of: on is usually pretty helpful.
08:10<mib_h7ff8b>hi, i could use some help with preseeding
08:10<mib_h7ff8b>hope iam at the right channel for it
08:11<mib_h7ff8b>i want to completely disable network configuration during installation
08:12<mib_h7ff8b>i have tried using "d-i netcfg/enable boolean false"
08:12<lancelot_of>themill, thank you
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08:12<mib_h7ff8b>but i end up with DHCP configuration
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08:18<pablito>oye saveis traducir textos??
08:18<pablito>de ingles a español??
08:18<pablito>o de español a ingles??
08:18<jmm>donde esta el social club ?
08:19<pablito>eres español??@??
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08:20<pablito>Y NO se dice hi
08:20<pablito>para k lo sepas
08:20<lancelot_of>pablito, for spanish,please
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08:20<lancelot_of>!tell pablito language
08:20<pablito>anda k sois unos sos@s
08:20<pablito>y aburridos
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08:37<dennis_p>problem solved. did a manual download of all free dictionaries of off debian, installed the one i wanted in a home dir and set goldendict to scan it.
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08:38<dennis_p>debian servers are fixed now (that was quick) so could have installed the dict as normal package also now
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08:45<luciano>anyone that uses moc ??
08:47<luciano>anyone awake??
08:48<aiux>ask your real question , /msg dpkg anyone
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08:51<luciano>i did not understand you aiux
08:51<luciano> /msg anyone use moc?
08:52<kasa>has someone experience regarding the installation of lenny on an ibm eServer xSeries 206?
08:52<kasa>i'm new to debian and want to make sure there are no major hindrances since i won't be having access to the internet during installation
08:53<kasa>sadly, there is no specific info to be found on the net
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08:56<jordanm>!tell kasa about ig
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09:06<lancelot_of>is it possible to make gtk-theme-switch to affect all applications exept one?
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09:21<old>lancelot_of: I heard it is possible to set theme per application, but the application has to support it I think.
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09:55<cesurasean>What is one of the older versions of debian that i can use? Debian Lenny runs entirely slow for my imac. Any suggestions?
09:55<cesurasean>maybe a different distro?
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09:58<lucaslee_nz>has anyone had this problem? I've setup lighttpd on debian 5 and ssh. However when i use an ftp client to ssh to the machine my web server files don't update
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09:58<locklace>if it runs too slow, you either have it misconfigured or you installed a bunch of stuff you don't need or want
09:59<lucaslee_nz>When I ssh via terminal however, and adjust the files using pico they files alter and update onto the web server just fine
10:00<jamuraa_>does anyone know of a USB wireless n adapter that is supported by non-proprietary drivers?
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10:13<peej>cesurasean, slow? I'd suspect the hardware. Do other oses/distros run faster?
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10:14<koollman>old distro have a tendancy to be less bloated
10:14<koollman>regardless of what you install
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10:14<koollman>they also have a lot of bugs that were corrected long ago, of course
10:14<peej>koollman, true, but lenny can run really light with a minimal distro and is security supported.
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10:16<peej>runs within 32 MB of ram without x in any case. Waste of an imac if you have 32MB of course.
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10:16<jml>hi I'm new to IRC looking for help with a NTFS usb drive...
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10:20<peej>lucaslee_nz, do you mean ftp over ssh? Or do you mean ssh ftp?
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10:38<pablito>luciano eres español??
10:38<luciano_>hablo español
10:38<luciano_>usas moc?
10:38<locklace>!ops pablito
10:38<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: locklace complains about: pablito
10:38<pablito>eres de donde la serie de pato feo
10:38<luciano_>anyone uses moc??
10:38<locklace>why does this guy keep getting unbanned
10:39<luciano_>ni idea
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10:39<pablito>es una serie de argentina
10:39<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat
10:39<noflash>maybe you should add it to your ignore list
10:39<azeem>luciano_: this is an english channel list
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10:40<luciano_>i was talking with pablito
10:40<luciano_>he just say hi to me
10:40<jordanm>azeem: this particular user has been in here doing the same thing on multiple occassions and seems to disregard us telling him to stop
10:41<jordanm>luciano_: pablito...
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10:43<luciano_>maybe i am a bit heavy with this... but does anyone here use moc??
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10:43<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
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10:43<dpkg>well, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest, the basis for what packages appear on the first few CDs/DVDs etc (by rank). Install the popularity-contest package to participate. See the results at -- See the FAQ at
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10:44<DataMonger>I am trying to download the dvd iso images from the debian website and the links to disks 1 - 4 are broken. Any ideas?
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10:45<jordanm>DataMonger: are you sure you want the DVDs?
10:45<centyx>He is a DataMonger, afterall.
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10:48<jordanm>DataMonger: they work for me, where are you trying to download them from?
10:49<DataMonger>under "Official CD/DVD images" on the debian site
10:50<DataMonger>disk 5 and the update disk work, just not 1-4
10:50<jordanm>DataMonger: ?
10:50<jml>OK then here's my real question: I'm trying to use a NTFS usb drive; it works for a short while, I can transfer some files to my internal drive, then the usb drive disappears; if I shut it off then on, nothing happens (a device is created but I couldn't mount it manually, ntfs-3g claims it's not a NTFS partition); If I reboot the computer, then I can use it again for a short while. What should I do?
10:51<DataMonger>si, that's yes in spanish
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10:51<noahfinity>anyone know of a nice app to monitor a directory for new files and trigger a script when there is one created?
10:51<noahfinity>i really appreciate anyones advice
10:52<jordanm>DataMonger: well, try one of the mirrors at the bottom:
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10:52<jordanm>noahfinity: ionotify
10:52<koollman>noahfinity: inotify-tools might have what you are looking for
10:52<noahfinity>thanks guys.. i've been looking at inotify and iwatch
10:52<noahfinity>just wanted someone to reassure me!
10:53<DataMonger>thanks, i just need to avoid torrents because they are blocked on our network
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10:54<DataMonger>jordam: sorry for the lack of etiquette. i haven't used a irc client before
10:55<noahfinity>jordanm: koollman: hey one concern i have with inotify/iwatch is that this is going to be watching ftp directories for new files... will this still work correctly? i'm concerned it will take action before the file is complete
10:56<DataMonger>jordam: thanks alot. found one that works
10:56<jordanm>noahfinity: if your just looking for new files daily, you can use `find`
10:56<jordanm>DataMonger: np
10:57<noahfinity>jordanm: this has to be an immediate action.. as the file is created
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10:57<noahfinity>it has to make a copy of the file to an archive folder.. then email alert that the file has been received
10:57<noahfinity>timing/logging are all important
10:57<noahfinity>i have my work cut out for me...
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11:00<jordanm>noahfinity: well, it can probably be done based on close(2) system call. You would need something like -> notified that is closed -> check if its new -> do stuff. This is all speculation though
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11:01<noahfinity>jordanm: i really appreciate your input
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11:01<noah>i've been looking around on experts-exchange a lot too
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11:02<noah>my problem has been not knowing what the names of the tools i need
11:02<noah>for instance.. i just found the inotify thing after days of searching :P
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11:03<jordanm>well, you always want to make sure your not looking at an xy problem. in your case "x" is the need to move the files to the dir in a time-sensitive manor
11:03<jordanm>!xy problem
11:03<dpkg>[xyproblem] People often falsely diagnose problems because they are looking too closely at a problem: they have got stuck at a particular point (Y) doing something (X) and so ask about step Y, not realising that there is an easier or better way to do X in the first place. See or
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11:04<noah>great point
11:04<noah>that's basically what i've been doing
11:04<noah>running down rabbit holes going insane
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11:05<noah>then i find something that wipes out all of my work because it is already created and works much better
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11:05<noah>this will be my third complete revision of this project
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11:13<jml>hi again, I rebooted to have a better look at /var/log/messages, it says "usb 2-5: USB disconnect / Unhandled error code" and "usb 6-2: new full speed USB device..."
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11:14<dwj>someone here
11:14<jml>I'd like to understand why I need to reboot to get the device again
11:15<dwj>I don't know you .
11:15<noah>dwj: what
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11:15<dwj>noah nothing
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12:03<luis_>what's the problem with my seedbox?
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12:03<jordanm>luis_: how should we know?
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12:05<jordanm>... how could anyone expect that question to get a valid answer...
12:05<noah>that's crazy
12:05<noah>and then he bails
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12:13<castiell>someone can tell me how can I change my xorg version for a new version?
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12:14<castiell>i want xorg 1:7.4+3, but 1:7.3+20 installed, how can i change?
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12:15<noah>i wonder if you can remove it with aptitude (if it a package) or if you compiled it maybe you can do some sort of 'make uninstall'
12:15<noah>out of my league though
12:16<themill>castiell: changing from "stable" to "testing" is the only feasible way of doing this but you probably don't really want to go there.
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12:17<castiell>hun...and...apt-get update
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12:17<castiell>so, apt-get install xorg ? this is all?
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12:18<castiell>and...hauha...sorry about this ask, but, how can i change to "testing"?
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12:20<JohGro>castiell: changing to testing and upgrading xorg will very probably not only upgrade xorg, but also libraries that xorg depends on, and with those libraries possibly also other applications that depend on those libraries.
12:21<castiell>themill, and now, i have any options, i can change to unstable, experimental and lenny-backports,
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12:22<themill>castiell: If you have to ask about how to upgrade to testing, then I would suggest that you do not do so. Testing isn't for people who don't really know their way around a debian system already
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12:23<castiell>themill, so, i change to backports? the problem is my sis671 driver, i want to use sisimedia, but, does not working with xorg 1:7.3+20
12:23<JohGro>castiell: I checked lenny.backports, and I do not see a new xorg version there.
12:24<themill>,versions xserver-xorg-video-sis
12:24<judd>xserver-xorg-video-sis -- etch: 1:0.9.1-4; lenny: 1:0.10.0-1; squeeze: 1:0.10.2-2; sid: 1:0.10.2-3
12:24<themill>that package has essentially the same version in testing as well. Perhaps it's not the right one... but that doesn't look promising
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12:24<castiell>the driver xserver-xorg-sis does not have 3d aceleration
12:24<castiell>i think
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12:25<administrateur_>hello everybody
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12:25<jason_>how do i go about installing a webcam i have logitech quickcam express plus ID 046d:092f
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12:26<castiell>judd, can you explain?
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12:27<administrateur_>I wanted to install debian etch on a hp proliant dl 360 abd I had a problem with the cdrom, the system doesn't recognize it, somebody has told me to use debian lenny so I did and that problem is resolved the cdrom is automatically detected, but not the network card :s
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12:28<gsimmons>dpkg: tell jason_ -about gspca
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12:31<jason_>ok looking.
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12:35<jason_>gsimmons: my vendor id is not listed on it.
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12:38<gsimmons>jason_: It is listed as an alias value for the gspca driver available for Lenny.
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12:39<jason_>gsimmons: ok so the spca5xx driver?
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12:45<w_2q>haber como puedo hacer que un programa en c se ejecute en knoppix
12:45<w_2q>y funcione
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12:45<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat
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12:47<salman>I want to play streaming realplayer videos using realplayer, but now when I click on a link it runs an embedded xine player. I am using squeeze, I tried both the .deb and the bin packages from
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12:54<salman>firefox keeps playing the video using an embedded player
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12:55<noah>how can i send mail from my debian server?
12:55<noah>i have an exchange server on another server
12:55<noah>i would like to send emails using exchange accounts
12:55<noah>how hard is that going to be?
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12:56<petemc>not hard at all if you use a client that talks smtp, slightly harder if you want to configure a local mta to pass mail from the debian box to the exchange box
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12:58<noah>i just wish it were as simpe as "sendmail -u User -p Pass -d Maildomain <email_address> <text>"
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13:01<jordanm>noah: you just need to setup your system's MTA to relay to a smarthost. exim4 can do this using authentication with passwd.client
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13:01<themill>if you want local MTA to do authentication of any random user then you're going to need a rather more sophisticated auth setup though (ldap against AD or something equally hideous)
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13:02<jordanm>themill: is there really a need to authenticate different users? Couldn't you just always relay with the same authentication and just change the From: field for different users?
13:03<themill>jordanm: relay the authentication...?
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13:03<mentor>Setting up a server authenticator is not massively hard
13:03<jordanm>themill: relay using authentication
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13:03<jordanm>mentor: the server authenticator is already there. the MTA in the case is a client
13:04<themill>jordanm: the authentication must still be passed off from the MTA to the authentication server.
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13:05<jordanm>themill: right, but you mentioned different users... I can relay through my domain with single username:password pair... I don't see a need for multiple username:password pair
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13:05<jordanm>themill: unless clients themselves are connecting
13:06<themill>jordanm: that's what I'm presuming [17:55] <noah> i would like to send emails using exchange accounts
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13:06<noah>all i need is to send out using one email account
13:06<themill>I have no idea why you'd go for a setup like this though
13:06<noah>so i just need to set it up for something that basic
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13:06<themill>ahh.. that's easy enough. Ignore me then... I was reading too much into what you said.
13:06*noah looks into MTA / exim4
13:06<noah>themill: thanks tho :)
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13:10<noah>would postfix or qmail be a better solution for me?
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13:19<jordanm>noah: pick _anything_ but qmail
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13:20<jordanm>noah: my recommendation was exim4
13:22<jthomas_sb>exim4 as well
13:22<jthomas_sb>qmail is a crazy headache
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13:52<RalphM>hello :-)
13:54<RalphM>I am preparing an installation on a computer that is equipped with an Intel Xeon Processor E3120, according to the specs of this processor ( that processor uses a 64-bits instruction set
13:55<Gathond>RalphM: more correctly, it supports one, it can also run 32 bit code
13:55<RalphM>is it correct to assume that the netinst image I have to download for installation is a "ia64" image ?
13:55<Gathond>RalphM: no
13:55<Gathond>ia64 is itanium
13:55<Gathond>xeon would be the amd64
13:56<RalphM>ok, I see
13:56<Gathond>since AMD made the specification
13:57<RalphM>you mention that it can also run 32 bit code, do you mean it is better to chose i386 installation ?
13:58<ml|>RalphM: how much ram are you planning to use and what will it be used for?
13:58<bja>RalphM: As a rule of thumb less than ~4Gb of ram gor for the i686 architecture else go for the amd64
13:58<Gathond>RalphM: depends, some closed apps are only available there, so they are trickier to use on amd64
13:59<Gathond>RalphM: I would go for amd64 though
13:59<Gathond>and as much memory I could get:)
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13:59*jordanm runs 8gb under -bigmem
13:59<RalphM>Gathond: it has 4 Gb memory, and I plan to use it essentially for hosting an SMTP and IMAP server
13:59<locklace>i see no reason to go for 32-bit anymore unless you're really reliant on one of those closed apps that fails to support 64
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13:59<locklace>RalphM: no reason not to go 64 then
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14:00<bja>!pie locklace
14:00*dpkg hits locklace in the face with a cream pie
14:00<ml|>yeah amd64
14:00<bja>RalphM: as locklace allready said, there is no reason not to go for amd64
14:00*bja runs amd64 on laptop with 2Gb Ram
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14:02<oskie>does anyone know what needs to be done after running debootstrap?
14:03<oskie>oh I found the manual
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14:04<RalphM>I may use it also to run some Windows applications with Wine. Previously I was using a FreeBSD server to do that, but since this new machine is 64-bits and the support of wine for 64-bit systems is not good under FreeBSD, that's another reason for me to chose a Debian Linux system instead
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14:05<bja>RalphM: amd64 is a bumpier road than the 32 bit version. It will get smoother as time passes by. When more developers get thier hands on 64 bit machines
14:05<bja>locklace: can tell stories about the switch of 4 bits to 8 and how it all happened ;P
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14:06<locklace>bja: i think your statement is about 2 years out of date
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14:07<RalphM>well, thanks all, you have been really helpful
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14:08<bja>locklace: I wish they were. Not all developers on all countries have access to a personal 64 bit computer. But then again the numbers are waning
14:09<locklace>i've been running 64 for more than a year and haven't had a single problem caused by 64 vs. 32
14:09<locklace>but then, i also don't use software from lame companies like adobe
14:10<bja>!beer locklace
14:10*dpkg pours a litre of Green Flash IPA for locklace
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14:11<Scynix>Last night I was advised to update my Debian, in doing so I garbled an option that has made that updated version unbootable. Using apt-get remove to remove the package gives me an error. Is there an alternate means for removing an updated kernel so I can reinstall it/reconfigure it correctly?
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14:12<locklace>you should just fix the kernel, since you want it anyway
14:13<locklace>it's probably just some dumb thing like your disk device numbering order changing
14:13<Scynix>Yes, that's what it was I believe. I've no experience with that. Is there a place I can find information about it?
14:13<locklace>!tell Scynix about uuid
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14:14<Scynix>hm it cuts off at "use {pv,vg,lv}display to acqui"
14:15<locklace>are you even using lvm
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14:16<Scynix>I honestly don't recall. I remember I read about what it was when I set up the system, but I've redone the system several times now. :o
14:17<locklace>well, first thing, get yourself booted up somehow
14:17<Scynix>oh, I'm ssh'ed into the server already, on the old kernel.
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14:18<locklace>then follow the uuid instructions to find your uuids and fix your fstab and grub menu.lst
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14:18<Scynix>except I don't have a menu.lst due to it being grub2. ;o
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14:19<locklace>how did you end up running lenny but with grub2
14:20<Scynix>It's part of the installation I assume
14:20<Scynix>I didn't install anything new
14:21<aiux>Scynix, try add rootdelay=xx to kernel command line ... xx usually is 10
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14:21<locklace>aiux: stop giving advice to people. seriously
14:22<ml|>yeah, grub-pc should not be installed; but grub-pc uses uuid by default iirc
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14:23<Dreakon>Hey guys, I don't want to advertise really but this is Linux related. There's a indie game pack bundle here: Where you can buy 5 games, all cross-platform (windows, mac and linux), free of DRM, for as much as you want to pay and its divided amongst the developers and various charities and you choose where the money goes. I put $10 towards it. Support porting to linux and no-DRM! ;)
14:24<noflash>Dreakon, don't do that, that's not debian related
14:24<locklace>"I don't want to advertise really but <advertise>"
14:24<locklace>!slap Dreakon
14:24*dpkg strikes a resounding *THWAP* across Dreakon's face
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14:24<Dreakon>well, im certainly not out to break the rules
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14:24<Dreakon>but its a great cause...
14:24*Dreakon shrug.
14:24<Dreakon>my apologies.
14:25<locklace>there are lots of great causes that aren't on topic
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14:25<Dreakon>I certainly wasn't going horribly off topic, it's quite Linux related. They run great on Debian Testing. ;)
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14:27<Dreakon>Just spreading the joy... lol
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14:30<Dreakon>So... what's the latest in the Debian world?
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14:33<Scynix>oi... locklace: It seems when I attempted to remove the package earlier it DID take it off the boot list. Now, if I attempt to reinstall it, it says, again, that it needs linux-base. If I attempt to install linux-base, it says Undefine subroutine &DebianKernel::DiskId::_system called at /var/lib/dpkg/info/linux-base.postinst line 1004, <STDIN> line 10 and then it aborts. Clearly I've messed something up.
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14:35<Dreakon>Man, people come out of the woodworks fast when I spread some Linux gaming joy...
14:35<Scynix>searching for that error I just get a ton of bug reports, oi
14:36<locklace>Scynix: at this point i'd try adding the backports line to your sources.list and doing an "aptitude -t lenny-backports install <kernel package name>", and if it says it's already installed, add --reinstall after install
14:36<sidHart>kde startup sound is ok..amarok plays ok but web flash has no sound..any ideas? sid/4.4.3
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14:37<locklace>Scynix: but "aptitude update" first after changing the sources.list
14:37<Scynix>gotcha, I'll try it.
14:37<locklace>that will at least avoid the linux-base business
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14:41<Scynix>oi.. exact same issue, locklace. dependency problems prevent configuration of linux-image-2.6.32-bpo.4-686 / Package linux-base is not configured yet
14:43<klh>I need a precision please : does "hrtimer" mean "high resolution timer" ?
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14:43<noah>jordanm: jthomas_sb: thanks.. i will check out exim4 and avoid qmail
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14:45<bja>noah: check also postfix, it rocks
14:48<noah>i will find out which is easier to send an alert/log email with 1 account
14:48<locklace>Scynix: any luck with dpkg --configure -a
14:50<Scynix>Setting up linux-base (versioninfo) ... Invalid output format udev. Choose from value, device, list or full (x4) Undefined subroutine etc etc.
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14:51<Scynix>Every time it goes through the same errors it always mentions invalid output format udev
14:52<locklace>!dbugs 576925
14:52<dpkg>DONE:#576925:N[linux-base] [linux-base] postinst fails on undefined subroutine (pending); Thu, 08 Apr 2010 10:00:02 UTC []
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14:53<mercutio22>ok... installing nvidia drivers the binary route is giving me constant ass pain. How do I switch to the debian way now?
14:54<locklace>Scynix: are you able to "aptitude purge linux-base"
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14:54<ml|>mercutio22: undo what you did and hope it did not break your system
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14:55<mercutio22>ml|: undoing it will break x for sure. Now which packages should I install that should restore X?
14:55<locklace>Scynix: sorry, you got hit by bug #576925 which has been fixed in unstable but hasn't yet propagated to lenny-backports; so your timing was just unfortunate
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14:56<Scynix>locklace: No big deal. Is it hardware that effects such bugs or what?
14:56<mercutio22>I also heard the nv driver now supports compiz =]
14:56<locklace>Scynix: no, just software and packaging screwups
14:57<locklace>Scynix: it may be possible to get out of this by manually installing the linux-base package from sid
14:57<chealer>mercutio22: "the debian way" can be vesa, nv as well as nvidia too.
14:57<Torsten_W>mercutio22, the nv-driver will never support compiz
14:57<ml|>I doubt nv does 3d now
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14:57<locklace>Scynix: try download this and installing with dpkg -i
14:57<mercutio22>never is a long time
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14:58<Torsten_W>mercutio22, i think, you are meaning nouveau
14:58<Torsten_W>but nouveau is all other, then finished
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14:58<ml|>mercutio22: to do it the debian way, just follow the wiki page /msg dpkg nvidia and good luck
14:59<mercutio22>Torsten_W: perhaps, yes
14:59<new_mohamed>how is it going>
14:59<Dreakon>Pretty good!
14:59<Scynix>locklace: It's asking me about the UUID thing again. It's asking if I want to update disk device ids in system configuration. I've never touched the labels/uuid it's referring to yet. If I choose yes, will I end up in the same loop?
14:59<new_mohamed>what do you do ?
14:59<Dreakon>Watch out though, too much more of this and you might alert the neighborhood patrol!
14:59<ml|>mercutio22: what debian release?
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14:59<mercutio22>ml|: I am on squeeze
14:59<Dreakon>What is your purpose here?
14:59<locklace>Scynix: this is on the dpkg -i of linux-base? what's the exact message
14:59<new_mohamed>i have a question
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15:00<Dreakon>Then ask it alrighty, my off-topic senses are tingling!
15:00<ml|>mercutio22: then /msg dpkg nvidia squeeze
15:00<mercutio22>ml|: thanks
15:00<new_mohamed>why is the Ubuntu channel not working ?
15:00<ml|>but, also read the wiki
15:00<tetrimino>I'm having some connection issues in Debian 5.0 and they seem to come and go. One second I browse and the other I get time out.. anybody had the same problem?
15:00<Dreakon>That is unrelated to Debian. Please leave.
15:01<new_mohamed>i have a question about Debian
15:01<Scynix>locklace: Yes. It popped up a box titled "Configuring linux=base" then says "The new Linux kernel version provides different drivers for some PATA (IDE) controllers. THenames of some hard disk, CD-ROM and tape devices may change. You are recommended to identify disk devices in conf files by label or UUID rather than dev name, which will work with both versions. Update disk device ids in sys conf? Yes/No"
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15:01<Dreakon>Then ask it already. All of this off-topic discussion is making my thighs chafe.
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15:01<mercutio22>ml|: holy shit... that looks like it will take a loong time. Have you tried nouveau? look:
15:01<locklace>Scynix: sure, say yes. looks like it may do some of the uuid conversion for you automatically
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15:02<Torsten_W>mercutio22, nouveau is useless at the moment
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15:02<mercutio22>Torsten_W: oh ={
15:02<jordanm>mercutio22: it takes 5-10min.. nouveau is not available in debian yet AFAIK
15:02<new_mohamed>after i installed the Debian on my PC it showed in the terminal mod ! how can i go to the GUI ?
15:03<ml|>yes, nouveau is a work in progress
15:03<tetrimino>Dreakon, was that message to me?
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15:03<Dreakon>tetrimino, of course not. It was to new_mohamed who was making my thighs chafe because of his off-topic discussion.
15:04<new_mohamed>Sorry Dreakon
15:04<tetrimino>Dreakon, okidoki :)
15:04<Dreakon>new_mohamed, that's fine. Just next time have some consideration for me and my thighs. They're very sensative.
15:04<new_mohamed>after i installed the Debian on my PC it showed in the terminal mod ! how can i go to the GUI ?
15:05<retrospectacus>new_mohamed: did you install a desktop environment?
15:05<jordanm>new_mohamed: run: "tasksel" and select the desktop task (you should have been prompted to do this during installation)
15:05<new_mohamed>i dont know
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15:06<new_mohamed>okay, Thanks guys
15:06<ml|>last time I looked at nouveau, it is available in experimental only and takes some work to get things working
15:06<Scynix>locklace: Well, it finished with no errors. Do I try to install the kernel now?
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15:07<locklace>Scynix: yes, this would be a good time to dpkg -i the kernel package again
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15:07<tetrimino>can somebody help me with connection issues in debian?
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15:08<dpkg>Test failed.
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15:08<Dreakon>Please stop testing.
15:08<anonymous>my first test with irssi :D
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15:08<anonymous>it looks fine
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15:09<jordanm>!tell tetrimino about anyone
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15:10<Dreakon>Please stop enjoying yourselves.
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15:12<Dreakon>Thank you.
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15:12<anonymous>bye @all
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15:13<tetrimino>my internet connection is very unstable in Debian 5.0 and i have never had this issue with debian before - it tends to time out alot and my parents windows 7 desktop don't seem to have any problems and neither did i two days ago before installing debian after a month use of 7.. need help :S
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15:14<retrospectacus>tetrimino: check your dmesg for hardware issues
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15:14<locklace>first determine whether your physical and link layer connectivity is stable. output of ifconfig will tell you the interface state, and checking dmesg will tell you if your network card driver is having low-level problems
15:14<jordanm>if your wireless, just skip straight to blaming that...
15:15<locklace>set up a ping to your default gateway and see whether it remains stable
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15:16<locklace>also paste the output of "lspci -knn", "ifconfig -a", "iwconfig", "uname -a" and "dmesg" at
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15:17<jordanm>intermittent connectivity... a plague on sysadmins everywhere
15:17<tetrimino>lspci -knn
15:19<jordanm>,pciid 8086:3a26
15:19<judd>[8086:3a26] is '82801JI (ICH10 Family) 2 port SATA IDE Controller #2' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel module 'ata_piix' in lenny. See also
15:19<mercutio22>ml|: dpkg says I have to ensure I have the latested kernel - does it mean the experimental version? I currently have
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15:19*jordanm didn't think ata_piix handled ich10 in lenny
15:19<locklace>your link is bouncing a bit but that could be due to your doing things that bring it up and down, and it hasn't happened that much
15:19<mercutio22>ml|: Linux debian 2.6.32-trunk-amd64 #1 SMP Sun Jan 10 22:40:40 UTC 2010 x86_64 GNU/Linux
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15:20<amphi>mercutio22: you probably want to upgrade that
15:20<jordanm>mercutio22: you need to remove that version after upgrading
15:21<mercutio22>hmm... so squeeze's latest is 2.6.32-3-686 (2.6.32-9)
15:21<ml|>judd: kerbels
15:21<ml|>judd: kernels
15:21<judd>Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.33-2-686 (2.6.33-1~experimental.4); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-12); squeeze: 2.6.32-3-686 (2.6.32-9); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.4-686 (2.6.32-11~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-21lenny4); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2)
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15:22<tetrimino>there you go locklace.
15:22<mercutio22>ok, and how do I get that? I thought I did what was necessary to get it: aptitude full-upgrade
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15:23<locklace>tetrimino: your link has gone down and back up about twice after boot, but that could be due to anything, including you messing around
15:24<Scynix>locklace: Worked like a charm. Is there a page that I can keep tabs on the latest kernel versions and what not?
15:24<locklace>tetrimino: start the ping to your default gateway and leave it running for some period of time long enough that you experience your problems during it
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15:25<splig>good evening
15:25<locklace>Scynix: you can just check now and then or ask judd here, but if you're running stable it's not the sort of thing you should have to do often
15:25<locklace>Scynix: and what does "worked" mean, just the dpkg -i or also the subsequent boot?
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15:25<Scynix>locklace: subsequent boot. System is in the new kernel now. Everythings spiffy.
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15:25<locklace>!congratulate Scynix
15:25<dpkg>Hugs & Puppies Scynix, you did it!
15:26<mercutio22>got disconnected
15:26<Scynix>locklace: I appreciate your help. Thanks. The whole thing is just a smidge less ominous now.
15:26<locklace>you should now remove the backports line from sources.list and aptitude update again
15:26<splig>can somebody help me out with udev rules?? it found the device but not runs the program it supposed to do
15:26<tetrimino>locklace, its starts of with 85% succesful packets.. it is now up on 98.. but it's still quite a loss isnt it?
15:27<locklace>tetrimino: you shouldn't get any packet loss to your default gateway, it's the thing at the other end of your cable
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15:27<locklace>tetrimino: so leave it running for 5 minutes and report the resulting % loss
15:27<tetrimino>will do..
15:28<mercutio22>so did anyone say anything about that bleeding edge kernel while I was out?
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15:28<tetrimino>should probably stop downloading then.. i seem to a less problems when my connection is active than with a few breaks now and then
15:29<locklace>and what kind of thing is connected to the other end of your ethernet cable
15:30<ml|>mercutio22: check to see what kernels you have installed; aptitude search '~i ~n(linux-image)'
15:30<splig>can somebody help me out with udev rules?? it found the device but not runs the program it supposed to do
15:30<locklace>splig: i could, but that's where i draw the sanity line today. sorry
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15:31<splig>ok locklace just thanks
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15:32<mercutio22>ml|: it seems I do have the 2.6.32-3-amd64 installed =] I will reboot
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15:33<locklace>splig: this is the most useful description of the whole silly thing, fwiw:
15:33<splig>i alread read it
15:33<splig>and used it
15:34<splig>all fine except RUN part
15:34<locklace>splig: to test you just have to go through the testing and debugging steps there. note that what he calls udevtest is now "udevadm test"
15:34<splig>it says that i don't have to expect stdout but to check if its working i did RUN beep but no beep either. is it normal?? should i expect heard the beep?
15:35<jordanm>never if you blacklist pcspkr like I do
15:35<locklace>why not have it echo something to a file instead
15:35<splig>whe i do the test i can see -->> udevadm_test: run: '/usr/local/bin/sincronitzar'
15:35<locklace>that's a simpler test than relying on a beep working
15:35<splig>but not beep heart
15:35<splig>ok i will try then
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15:38<tetrimino>locklace, 99% :S
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15:38<locklace>tetrimino: that's pretty inconclusive
15:38<locklace>how many packets lost
15:38<locklace>ok, that means nothing then
15:39<locklace>how reliably can you reproduce your problem
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15:39<tetrimino>should come back if i start surfing for 10 minutes
15:39<mercutio22>oh... m-a failed ={
15:39<locklace>ok, restart the ping and leave it running for say 30 minutes, and meanwhile do what you normally do
15:39<tetrimino>locklace, will do
15:40<tetrimino>still on the default gateway
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15:40<splig>locklace, do you know if udevadm test is just "simulating what it would execute" or really executing?
15:40<tetrimino>locklace, and just to be sure my default gateway would be something like right?
15:41<locklace>if you are getting packet loss on that ping to your gateway (and i asked what kind of thing it was), things are seriously fucked and there are only a few possibilities
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15:41<locklace>no, it's probably .1 or .254, but find out for sure with "netstat -rn"
15:42<ricko>hi im getting this error trying to start gnome gui in debian
15:42<locklace>and if you aren't getting packet loss on the ping to your gateway, either the problem is upstream of you, or it's with your application and/or a higher-layer protocol
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15:43<tetrimino>locklace, no response anymore but the packets says 98%
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15:45<tetrimino>and im running the latest firefox.. but i don't think its the browser because also times out through from time to time
15:45<locklace>how can it say 98% now if you're leaving it running for 30 minutes
15:45<locklace>and are you even pinging the right thing
15:46<locklace>reread everything i said above
15:46<tetrimino>im using the network tool that debian comes with.. and pinging
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15:47<ricko> hi im getting this error trying to start gnome gui in debian
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15:48<jordanm>ricko: this is an openvz guest?
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15:52<locklace>tetrimino: btw, if it's just web browsing that's timing out, could be that your dns servers just suck. try using the opendns servers instead as a test, stick and in your /etc/resolv.conf instead of the current nameserver(s)
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15:54<jordanm>tetrimino: with DNS slowness problems first thing I look at: Is avahi running? If so, disable it
15:54<locklace>and then restart firefox or whatever since it probably does some dumb dns caching thing
15:55<locklace>and yeah, check /etc/nsswitch.conf and if you see avahi/mdns, purge it
15:55<jordanm>locklace: use of mdns can be a common cause of that.. atleast in my experience
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15:57<tetrimino>sorry locklace thanks for you help but im getting more and more confused..
15:57<tetrimino>im just gonna leave it for now
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15:59<locklace>tetrimino: at least paste your /etc/nsswitch.conf
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16:02<locklace>it's avahi
16:02<locklace>tetrimino: "aptitude purge avahi-daemon" and restart firefox
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16:05<locklace>see if that makes things any better
16:05<tetrimino>seems like it .
16:06<locklace>!congratulate tetrimino
16:06<dpkg>Huzzah tetrimino, you did it!
16:06<tetrimino>what is avahi?
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16:07<tetrimino>nvm the speed is still pretty random
16:08<tetrimino>goes from nice to "i gotta go get a cup of coffee"
16:08<locklace>when you say "speed" what do you mean
16:09<locklace>speed loading a page after you hit a link, transfer speed during a download, ...
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16:10<locklace>back to the drawing board and the ping test, then
16:11<locklace>though switching to known-fast dns servers is still a good idea
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16:13<tetrimino>locklace, let's just leave it - i'll reset my router in a minute and that's my last attempt
16:14<tetrimino>but i really appreciate that you took your time helping me out
16:15<locklace>unfortunately "the network is slow" problems are very long and tedious to troubleshoot in general
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16:16<locklace>the only quick hits are dns and an obviously broken driver that can be fixed with an update
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16:18<danutz>hello guys,I have a problem...I just installed debian on my laptop and when I power on the laptop is stopping at Is loading,Please wait and...don`t work
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16:18<jordanm>danutz: what version of debian?
16:19<danutz>Loading,please wait
16:19<danutz>and nothing happen
16:19<locklace>!tell danutz about reinstall grub
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16:20<jordanm>danutz: from the grub menu: highlight the entry for debian -> hit "e" -> highlight the line that starts with "kernel" and hit "e" again -> delete the work "quiet" and press enter -> press "b" to boot
16:20<danutz>Grub is installed and I can chose sigle mode or ..normal
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16:20<locklace>providing the details of your hardware and basic facts like "did it ever work" would also be helpful
16:20<jordanm>locklace: sounds to me like a kernel panic or something being supressed by "quiet"
16:21<locklace>i hate quiet
16:21<danutz>so I press e when grub loads?
16:21<jordanm>from the grub menu
16:21<locklace>i always forget that some installs stick it into the grub config
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16:21<jordanm>locklace: all installs from d-i AFAIK
16:22<danutz>ok,and it appears :root kernel and initrd and the kernel is quiet
16:22<danutz>at the end of the kernel line it appear quite
16:22<jordanm>danutz: delete quiet, press enter, then "b"
16:22<locklace>danutz: did this system ever boot
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16:24<danutz>yes,I deleted quiet and pressed b
16:24<danutz>and now has stopped at:Marking TSC unstable due to :TSC halts in idle
16:25<locklace>this would be a fine time to start answering my questions
16:25<peej>I have Xprt running on a system. It is a printserver. What does it do that cups doesn't?
16:25<danutz>well,I just installed it and is the first time is runs..and didn`t work
16:25<peej>(xprt is a printserver)
16:26<locklace>danutz: what kind of hardware
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16:27<danutz>kernel 2.6.26-2-686(maybe I got the wrong version),it appear root(hd0,0)
16:28<locklace>what kind of computer is this
16:28<locklace>you need to upgrade your kernel
16:29<danutz>ok,how do I do that?
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16:29<elisabeth>hi guys
16:29<jordanm>danutz: at your point, being a new user, it may be easier to just reinstall using the kmuto installer
16:29<dpkg>For Debian Lenny installers with up-to-date kernels, see . The <bnx2> and <bnx2x> firmware files for Linux 2.6.32 are included in 0116 images.
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16:29<locklace>it's going to be a pain. you need to download two packages, one from sid and one from lenny-backports, boot off a rescue cd and arrange to copy them over and install them with dpkg -i
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16:30<danutz>a faster way is just reinstalling the debian with the newest version?
16:30<locklace>jordanm: afaik that's still going to leave him with a standard kernel once the install is done
16:30<elisabeth>hey who are you
16:30<elisabeth>what am i doing here
16:30<elisabeth>bye bye
16:30<locklace>we're you're worst nightmare
16:31<elisabeth>oh no
16:31<locklace>!confuse elisabeth
16:31<dpkg>Yes, them was our mushroom tomorrow, elisabeth? Lederhosen of the Dictatorship of Tahiti with extra cheese.
16:31<jordanm>locklace: it shouldn't. it will be the same installer of the kernel. atleast thats what I assume since there instructions for installing headers for
16:31<elisabeth>um? byez u guys r weird
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16:31<locklace>jordanm: it would be great if it left the same kernel it uses for d-i installed, i just didn't think it did
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16:32<locklace>if it does, that's the way to go
16:33<danutz>big problem,I can`t burn cd`s for the moment..on the laptop I could but now..................
16:33<jordanm>unless you *wanted* to learn about chroots :)
16:33<locklace>danutz: anyway, if you can stick a couple of packages on a usb stick, it's pretty easy to fix things from here
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16:33<jordanm>ah, yes manually copying the deb would be easier than chroot + apt
16:33<danutz>I have a stick,can you guide me?
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16:33<locklace>the packages you need are
16:34<peej>xprt:, cups:
16:34<locklace>,kernels --release lenny-backports
16:34<judd>Available kernel versions are: lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.4-686 (2.6.32-11~bpo50+1)
16:34<locklace>,versions linux-base --release sid
16:34<judd>linux-base -- sid: 2.6.32-10; sid: 2.6.32-11; sid: 2.6.32-12
16:34<jordanm>ah, wait... he would still need chroot
16:34<jordanm>locklace: linux-base is also in backports
16:34<locklace>the backports one is fucked
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16:34<peej>It sounds to me like if you have cups, you should not be running xprt
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16:37<locklace>danutz: here are the download links:
16:38<austin_>i love you all
16:38<danutz>ok,I am on Windows now but..I`ll just download them and copy on a stick right?
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16:39<austin_>:( im gona cry
16:39<bja>elisabeth, austin, whatever you want to call yourself, if you don't have a debian related question please shut up.
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16:39<locklace>you're going to have to boot from a rescue cd, bind-mount and chroot into your real installation, mount the usb disk with those two .deb files, and then install linux-base and then the kernel with dpkg -i, in that order
16:39<austin_>okay good bye then
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16:40<danutz>ok I have put them on a stick
16:40<danutz>how do I enter in a console or something like that..I mean DO i install from a stick?
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16:43<bja>dbldtx: you can /msg the bot
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16:45<danutz>locklace still here?
16:47<dbldtx>danutz; Patience, this room has a very slow pace.
16:47<danutz>sorry,I just don`t know what to do now...
16:48<elisabeth>We should have a discussion
16:48<bja>danutz: go for a glass of water and calm yourself, you are beeing helped by a person who knows what he is talking about.
16:48<bja>elisabeth: Either go to #moocows or some other offtopic channel please.
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16:49<elisabeth>I feel unloved :P gosh meaners
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16:49<dbldtx>!damn meaners
16:49*dpkg sends meaners to the deepest circle of hell, reserved for mutineers and betrayers.
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16:52<locklace>danutz: 1. boot from a rescue cd (your debian install cd can function as one). 2. drop to a shell and mount the hard drive partition(s) of your real install under /mnt. 3. mount --bind /dev /mnt/dev; mount --bind /tmp /mnt/tmp 4. chroot /mnt 5. insert usb stick and "dmesg|tail" to see its device name 6. mount that device 7. run dpkg -i on the linux-base and then the kernel packages 8. if that all worked, reboot and pray
16:52<locklace>someone else will have to break that down into more detail for you if you need it
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16:54<bja>Would this error message be brought up because of a broken network-manager "SIOCADDRT: No such process. Failed to bring up eth0"
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16:57<danutz>mount point does not exist
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16:58<bja>danutz: make the mount point
16:58<danutz>I don`t the how to mount the hard drive partition ...............
16:58<bja>danutz: man mount
16:59<notworkn>.. /mnt/vmware is that a physical partition ?
16:59<notworkn>Apparently my vitrtual machine has run out of space
16:59<notworkn>won't start
16:59<notworkn>trying to work out if I can just expand it or need to find another partition
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17:04<locklace>danutz: you can see your hard disk partitions with "cat /proc/partitions" or "fdisk -l". if /mnt doesn't exist, just make it with "mkdir /mnt"
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17:05<danutz>pl. /dev/sda1 .../dev/sda5
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17:05<danutz>and I can see the dir mnt exists but I don`t know what to do
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17:08<locklace>you need to know which of those sda# partitions is your root fs. at worst you can just try each one until you find it
17:08<locklace>"mount /dev/sda1 /mnt", then "ls /mnt" to see if it looks like a root directory; if not, "umount /mnt" and repeat
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17:10<locklace>once you find it, "mount --bind /dev /mnt/dev; chroot /mnt; mount -a" and continue from step 5
17:11<danutz>when I try to mount sda1 on mnt it appear the message:is already mounted...
17:11<bja>locklace: you should do a full howto, "How To Unscrew your Screwed system"
17:11<locklace>great. maybe it is; check with "df -h"
17:12<danutz>/dev/sda1 sise used ..... mounted on /
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17:12<danutz>and tmpfs ...../dev
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17:13<locklace>that's pretty weird if you booted from a cd and haven't chrooted
17:13<danutz>you know better..I`m new......
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17:14<danutz>in the end what`s the solution?
17:14<danutz>Should I download the latest debian version and install it?and will work?
17:15<locklace>if you can get your root partition and usb stick mounted, you can be up and running in five minutes
17:15<locklace>i can't walk you through that, but anyone else here can
17:16<danutz>tmpfs is maybe the stick ?
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17:17<danutz>when I try :mount tmpfs /mnt is saying:you must specify the filesystem type
17:17<locklace>don't do that. stick to the steps above
17:18<locklace>reading off some of the output from "fdisk -l" will help
17:18*locklace self-immolates
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17:19<danutz>ok hold on
17:19<bja>Need any help to do that? I have some knives around that can be handy.
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17:20<notworkn>would someone mind confirming sda6 is a physically different logical drive rather than a virtual pointer?
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17:20<notworkn>ie it's a seperate drive or partition
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17:20<danutz>fdisk -l is saying : Device boot : /dev/sda1 * linux /dev/sda2 extended /dev/sda5 linux swap/Solaris
17:20<danutz>Device boot /dev/sdb1
17:21<s_n_g>hi all, I would like some help with a problem I'm having with my laptop, running sidux on a x700 radeon graphics card, which I am able to get into X with vesa (just vesa). Has anybody had such an experience?
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17:23<locklace>danutz: i suspect the rescue cd already found and booted off your root fs. you can try just continuing from step 5
17:23<locklace>danutz: and if you already stuck the usb stick in, that's probably sdb1
17:24<danutz>I tried dmesg
17:25<locklace>try "mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt" and then "ls /mnt"
17:25<danutz>and appared things like :raid6 device-mapper and ext2-fs warning (device sda1) ext2_fillsuper:mounting ext3 filesystem as ext2
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17:26<danutz>the files on the stick appeared
17:26<noflash>!tell s_n_g -about sidux
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17:26<notworkn>could someone help me determine why when I have removed 5GB of files from /mnt/vmware it's still showing as 0% disk space free
17:26<locklace>fine. run dpkg -i on the linux-base one, and then on the linux-image one
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17:27<locklace>notworkn: cat /proc/mounts
17:27<s_n_g>noflash: sorry didn't get that... I'm a newbe on irc :)
17:28<danutz>errors processing
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17:28<danutz>cannot access archive
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17:29<locklace>danutz: what does "dpkg -i /mnt/linux-base*" do
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17:30<danutz>it works
17:30<danutz>no it didn`t
17:30<danutz>it seems I don`t have
17:31<locklace>try "mount -a"
17:31<danutz>nothing happen
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17:31<locklace>now try the dpkg again
17:32<danutz>I think it was stopped with this message:perl : warning:Falling back to the standard locale
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17:33<locklace>now try "dpkg -i /mnt/linux-image*"
17:33<danutz>I already did,is still installing
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17:33<locklace>now reboot
17:33<locklace>type "reboot"
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17:33<danutz>ok,after I reboot I shall pull off the cd?
17:34<locklace>yes, and hope booting from the hard disk works this time
17:34<danutz>I hope so
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17:34<danutz>it`s the first time I use debian and...wasn`t a good encounter but i like the terminal:P
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17:35<locklace>look at the bright side: you've learned more in your first day than you otherwise would have learned in six months
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17:35<danutz>ok,the grub loaded and appear
17:36<danutz>2 kernels with their single mode
17:36<danutz>2.6.32 and 2.6.26
17:36<danutz>should I load 2.6.32 because is the newest right?
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17:37<danutz>/dev/sda1 was not cleanly unmounted,check forced
17:37<danutz>and is checking is at 15%
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17:38<danutz>if I understanded good fdisk -l is used to list the partitions? and in /dev are the devices..the devices mounted are in /mnt
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17:39<danutz>and linux-base with linux-image updates my kernel to the newest version
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17:39<danutz>at least this is what I understanded......
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17:40<locklace>yes, except that /mnt is just a dummy directory you can use when you need to manually mount things. the file /etc/fstab specifies which devices are normally mounted at boot and where
17:40<danutz>sounds good
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17:42<danutz>muhaha so cool
17:42<danutz>the interface appeared
17:43<locklace>!congratulate danutz
17:43<dpkg>Good show danutz, you did it!
17:43<danutz>hmm,I try to log in and it appear a message the system is going to be down on ....
17:44<danutz>hmm,when I installed I created as desktop-user the one called kevin
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17:44<danutz>but it says is not exists
17:44<danutz>or something like this
17:44<danutz>and with the root I can`t login from the screen
17:45<kop>danutz: You can check if the user exists by looking at /etc/passwd. If it does, reset the password as root using "passwd kevin".
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17:47<danutz>hold on
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17:47<danutz>the user exists and I changed his password
17:48<danutz>in the next 2-3 sec I`ll see the interface
17:48<danutz>so coooool
17:48<bja>!congratulate locklace
17:48<dpkg>Huzzah locklace, you did it!
17:49<danutz>!congratulate locklace
17:49<dpkg>Good show locklace, you did it!
17:49<danutz>I learned this too
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17:54<danutz>now,how do I connect to my wireless network:D any ideas?
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18:02<dli>'make-kpkg --initrd kernel-image' doesn't make initrd by default, how do add default /etc/kernel/ hooks? I just want it boots as the default debian kernel
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18:03<danutz>hmm I tried to log in to my wireless network with network manager from debian but no success
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18:04<danutz>maybe I don`t have the driver,with ifconfig isn`t appear
18:04<dli>danutz, iwconfig
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18:36<carnage_>hey guys, any idea why using zcat to extract the boot.img.gz usb installer image makes my 1gig usb stick look like it's only 256mb now when i mount it?
18:37<carnage_>i wanted to put a full cd iso on it too but now there's not enough room on the filesystem
18:38<bremner>carnage_: yeah, its in the install guide
18:39<bremner>basically, if you want a bigger partition, you have to do it the "manual way"
18:39<carnage_>sorry, i skipped over that part :p
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18:39*carnage_ reads the in-between
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18:40<carnage_>it needs to be fat16 and not fat32?
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18:43<bremner>not sure. probably depends on your bios
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18:53<Scynix>No one happens to know the name of the person who gave me the link to his own tutorial for openvpn yesterday, do they? or the link he provided? I don't have access to the system that has the log x_X
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19:04<carnage_>huh, that was really easy
19:04<carnage_>i wonder if it'll work
19:04<dpkg>OpenVPN is a <VPN> daemon, which can securely tunnel IP networks over one UDP or TCP port. Packaged for Debian, provides "openvpn" ifupdown hooks to <interfaces>. As this uses OpenSSL, it is affected by <dsa1571>, see and the openvpn-blacklist package. As of openvpn 2.1~rc9, add "script-security 2" in config files for external command use. #openvpn on
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19:44<bja>How do i manage to get the fingerprint of a Certificate?
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19:46<bja>rephrasing How do i manage to get the fingerprint of a Certificate using openssl?
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19:51<Scynix>Anyone present that logs the chat and would be so kind as to search yesterday to find a link I lost? ;_; Long shot I know...
19:52<dpkg>Logs are what you should always check when you have a problem. They live in /var/log/
19:52<bja>!tell Scynix about irclogs
19:53<jordanm>there is someone who hosts them..
19:53<bja>!tell Scynix about irclog
19:53<bja>jordanm: finally, that factoid has the site and all the stuff needed
19:54<jordanm>bja: I did /msg dpkg irclogs after you and dpkg asked me if I was smoking crack
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19:55<bja>jordanm: irclog
19:55<bja>i don't know i might be the one who was ;P
19:56<jordanm>bja: I believe there is a way to make (s) an alias
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19:57<bja>Yes there is
19:57<Scynix>bja: You're awesome. Thanks.
19:58<Scynix>You too, jordan
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19:58<rpetre>any idea how i should tweak my en_us.utf-8 locale so that in echo c | grep '[B-E]' ; echo d | LC_COLLATE=C grep '[B-E]' the first grep doesn't work, either?
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20:01<jordanm>rpetre: the difference there being case sensitivity?
20:02<rpetre>it seems that in en_US.UTF-8, at least, collation rules say that proper sort order is bBcCdDeE
20:02<rpetre>'[B-E]' doesn't match b, but it matches e
20:04<jordanm>rpetre: not sure if that is helpful or not
20:04<rpetre>don't know if i can convince the system (glibc?) to just unset the "weave case" flag
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20:05<bja>rpetre: -i does not fit your needs?
20:05<jordanm>ah, is it actually that lowercase comes before upper?
20:05<rpetre>probably, it's just an unexpected issue i've stubled across
20:06<rpetre>but it's the first instance where utf-8 usage isn't just a superset of lang=C
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20:07<rpetre>i meant "the first instance i've seen"
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20:07<rpetre>jordanm: interesting link, i'll try to read more in the morning
20:08<Roll_Tide>Hi, I have been trying to setup dual monitors on "squeeze" for a couple days now. I still don't have it. I have found out I don't have an xorg.conf file...
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20:09<jordanm>Roll_Tide: what kind of card do you have?
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20:10<Roll_Tide>jordanm, nvidia gts 250
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20:11<jordanm>Roll_Tide: I am guessing you have not installed the proprietary drivers if you lack a xorg.conf
20:11<jordanm>,versions nvidia-glx
20:11<judd>nvidia-glx -- etch/non-free: 1.0.8776-4; lenny/non-free: 173.14.09-5; squeeze/non-free: 173.14.09-5; sid/non-free: 190.53-4
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20:12<jordanm>Roll_Tide: you need to grab them from sid. ssb works
20:12<jordanm>!tell Roll_Tide about ssb
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20:13<ml|>read the nvidia wiki page if you are going to use nvidia driver; there are tools that make that easy; but read the cautions in the wiki
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20:20<Roll_Tide>Keep getting this "E: Unable to find a source package for packagename"
20:21<Roll_Tide>Just noticed I missed a step
20:22<Roll_Tide>Ok, did agian and still the same...
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20:23<jordanm>!nvidia squeeze
20:23<dpkg>non-free nvidia+squeeze guide: (a) aptitude upgrade ; aptitude full-upgrade (ensure you are running the current kernel; /msg judd kernels) (b) create a testing/unstable mix (ask me about <tum>) (c) aptitude install module-assistant; aptitude -R -t sid install nvidia-kernel-source; m-a a-i nvidia && aptitude -t sid install nvidia-glx. (d) Configure xorg.conf as per
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20:23<jordanm>Roll_Tide: just remove the sid lines from your sources when your finished... ^ is the lazy way
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20:25<SoloFlyer>Anyone know where i can get a preliminary idea of whats going to be in debconf10 schedule? boss wants to know what hes paying for :)
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20:36<mezimezim>Hi there, I have a question about users in Lenny, I added a user, named Bruce to the system, but when I open a terminal, the prompt is not called Bruce, but sh-3.2, why is that ? Also, I can't get the sound to work although it worked just fine when I log as another user...why is that ?
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20:37<Roll_Tide>I did all steps "Successful also" All the way to the last. didn't do that "Configure xorg.conf" it sends me to a link.. But I just looked and i still have no xorg.conf
20:37<jordanm>manphiz: default shell, and audio group
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20:38<jordanm>mezimezim: did you you use useradd instead of adduser?
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20:39<mezimezim>useradd, I couldn't do it with adduser
20:40<ml|>Roll_Tide: follow the link and read on how to that
20:40<Roll_Tide>dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg Makes nothing.
20:40<jordanm>Roll_Tide: just run: nvidia-xconfig
20:41<mezimezim>jordanm: adduser was telling me the user name I was picking had the wrong format (Bruce), whereas useadd was fine with that name....
20:41<Roll_Tide>it is callled XF86Conf now ?
20:42<jordanm>mezimezim: usernames typically do not have uppercase but it is allowed
20:42<jordanm>mezimezim: with useradd you need to specify things like groups, shell and homedir
20:42<jordanm>mezimezim: now that user is already created, you can change it wither usermod
20:42<Roll_Tide>Now I'm getting somehwere, Thanks for the help everyone :)
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20:45<networkn>why would someone create a vmware hdd, vmdk 130gb, but break it into 2gb files
20:45<mezimezim>jordanm: I did the homedir, I guess now I need to change the shell name, what are groups for ? you can point me to proper documentation if you wish?
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20:47<dpkg>For more information on permissions, read info coreutils 'File Permissions' and or - for even further info see these and, or follow the setuid and setgid links found in the wikipedia pages, or, or <qotd232>
20:47<jordanm>mezimezim: in this case the "files" are audio devices
20:48<dpkg><bsssh> 4 is read, 2 - write, 1 - execute. According to UNIX god runs this world(777), yet devil can only read and write(666) >:P
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20:48<mezimezim>jordanm : ??
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20:50<jordanm>mezimezim: you have to ask more specific questions than "??"....
20:51<mezimezim>jordanm: sorry, I do not understand what you said last, about files being audio devices
20:52<jordanm>mezimezim: groups matter because of unix file permissions. in the case of the "audio" group and your user listening to sound, its the file permissions on the sound device
20:54<mezimezim>jordanm : I see, I did not do much config on that new use, would I be better off deleting altogether, picking a proper name and using "adduser"?
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20:56<jordanm>mezimezim: that might be better
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20:57<jordanm>mezimezim: you will likely still need to add the users to the groups. you can use adduser for that too
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21:00<SoloFlyer>Anyone know where i can get a preliminary idea of whats going to be in debconf10 schedule? is NOT helpful :P
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21:02<bremner>SoloFlyer: if you register, you can see all of the submitted talks.
21:02<SoloFlyer>bremner: ahh cool thanks :)
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21:07<Scynix>My brain isn't working right at the moment- I just need someone to confirm I'm not losing it. The MTA handles actually -sending mail-, the pop3/imap server (in my case Dovecot) is for receiving mail, right?
21:07<bremner>MTA also receives mail
21:07<Scynix>which part
21:08<bremner>dovecot is used to access mail stored on a server
21:08<Scynix>ah, ok.. dovecot is just a server for accessing the mail- allt he sending/receiving is handled by the mta
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21:09<Scynix>sorry, I'm trying to add another user to my server for testing purposes and couldn't remember where anything was despite the fact I set up the mail portion two days ago. Thank you bremner.
21:10<bja>Scynix: mta sends and recieves mail, final delivery to user is done through a delivery agent, in your case dovecot
21:10<bremner>bja, sorry not quite.
21:11<bja>bremner: ok you can have the mta do also the delivery
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21:11<bremner>dovecot is an imap server, that is completely orthogonal to delivery
21:11<jordanm>bremner: dovecot also does pop
21:12<bremner>pop is also not delivery
21:12<bja>bremner: dovecot is also a pop3 server and also does sasl authentication
21:12<bremner>yes, I am aware of all of these things. None of them are delivery
21:12<bja>dovecot can deliver to virtual mailbox imap style directories or mbox formats
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21:12<bja>and that is mail delivery
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21:13<Scynix>I swear I learn more from 15 lines of chat here than I do from pages of guides on google
21:14<SoloFlyer>Scynix: lol
21:16<bremner>bja: ah, I stand corrected. I didn't realize dovecot included an MDA; I guess I shouls have since I knew it supported sieve.
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21:17<Scynix>sieve? I swear linux repurposes so many words. Some kind of filter I assume?
21:17<Scynix>OH the bot probably knows
21:18<bremner>Scynix: yeah, because Windows (TM) never repurposes words :)
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21:18<bja>bremner: I've been fighting spam and ilegal attempts to relay mail for the last 2 weeks. I've come to learn quite a few tricks
21:18<Scynix>brem, oh, I wasn't implying that at all. I've just spent most of my life with windows in one form or the other, so it's less obvious in my head.
21:19<bremner>Scynix: it was a joke about the word Windows, in case you missed that.
21:19<Scynix>ahh.. yeah, I'm not quite together up stairs today. Due for surgery, medication is making me pretty thick. Sorry about that.
21:20<SoloFlyer>Scynix: sometimes medication can actually help you understand this stuff... well at least let you think you do...
21:21<Scynix>SoloFlyer: haha, I could imagine. Sometimes there's so much going on with so many files in so many locations it feels a bit chaotic.
21:22<bja>Scynix: there is a standard on where files are located, i just can't recall the actual factoid
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21:23<dpkg>Debian follows the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard. The filesystem is categorized by purpose, not application. This allows, for example, the easy and efficient deployment of a read-only /usr area across a number of thin clients. See or install the 'debian-policy' package (/usr/share/doc/debian-policy/fhs/*), or
21:23<bja>aiux: to t
21:23<bja>he rescue
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21:24<cesurasean>Fatal server error: no screen found. I copied my old xorg.conf with no luck! please help me out!
21:24<bja>cesurasean: card, release any usefull information to help you out
21:25<Scynix>bja: Yeah, I have what aiux just referenced pulled up pretty much every moment I'm working with *nix now, but I'm still a little lost sometimes. Since the whole thing is mostly "rule of thumb" and not enforced, some packs can't seem to decide where they want their files at.
21:25<cesurasean>bja, like what info do you need?
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21:25<cesurasean>lspci is showing this: ATI Technologies Inc 3D Rage Pro 215GP
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21:26<aiux>Scynix, run > dpkg -L packname
21:26<bja>cesurasean: sorry i use nvidia
21:27<bja>Scynix: rule of thumb /etc/ holds all the configs. Ther rest is more program dependent
21:27<rpetre>after you read the FHS once, most of the things make sense, really
21:27<aiux>cesurasean, we fixed that already yesterday ... , stop messing your system all the time
21:28<cesurasean>aiux, i used the same setup and now its not working anymore
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21:28<aiux>cesurasean, never touched the config that work ...
21:29<cesurasean>aiux, i am going to backup this config this time
21:29<cesurasean>until then, i may need you to help me fix it again, please sir.
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21:29<aiux>paste xorg.conf again ..
21:30<cesurasean>h/o still booting up machine
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21:30<cesurasean>keep in mind this an ati card
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21:32<cesurasean>aiux, here is my xorg -
21:32<cesurasean>can you tell me why no screens are found?
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21:33<aiux>cesurasean, is the good one
21:33<cesurasean>aiux, huh?
21:33<cesurasean>what do you mean
21:34<cesurasean>what do i need to fix in order to get this functional?
21:34<aiux>is the one we fixed together yesterday ..
21:34<cesurasean>yes, it is
21:34<cesurasean>why am i getting no screens found now?
21:34<aiux>you confirmed that it work
21:36<aiux>you added Option "UseFBDev" "on" line 46
21:37<aiux> Option "NoAccel" "on" , line 42
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21:41<aiux>May 05 06:30<cesurasean> ati works
21:41<aiux>May 05 06:30<aiux> ok
21:41<aiux>May 05 06:30<cesurasean> should i try the other, or does it matter?
21:42<cesurasean>aiux, it does not seem to working again
21:42<cesurasean>ive edited xorg.conf as well
21:43<cesurasean>parse error on line 85
21:43<cesurasean>unexpected eof missing endsection keyword?
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21:49<aiux>cesurasean, add EndSection as last line ...
21:50<cesurasean>there already is one, but i just added another one
21:50<cesurasean>rebooting now
21:50<aiux>just restart X
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21:52<cesurasean>aiux, all is good now. thank you for your help.
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21:53<aiux>cesurasean, don't touch it again ,, yw
21:54<cesurasean>i backed it up
21:55<aiux>paste it , so we have a backed too
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22:00<bja>!beer aiux
22:00*dpkg pours a litre of Stone Arrogant Bastard for aiux
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22:06<snogglethorpe>geez, _finally_ a bot serves up a decent beer...
22:06<aiux>!beer snogglethorpe
22:06*dpkg deftly decants a fine Bornem Tripple for snogglethorpe
22:06<snogglethorpe>most of the time it's "a lukewarm chamberpot full of bud"
22:08<snogglethorpe>"Rightly or wrongly they consider that beer or stout is, in view of their occupation, a necessity to their health, and teetotal faddists would be surprised at the insistence of well-educated men on the strong character of this point."
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22:46<firefox>whats a good usb bluetooth for linux? I have the broadcom ones, and they kinda stink.
22:47<bja>They do stink
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22:47<firefox>bja, they didnt work at all, I had to use backports to get them even functional =(
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22:48<bja>firefox: you are one step ahead of me
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22:49<firefox>bja, yeah I wanted to get blueproximity to work on my laptop, thats what did the trick. other than that though I havent played with them.
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22:50<firefox>I am looking to order some to play around with things like carwhisper
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23:15<Dreakon>hey guys, I seem to be struggling to get java to work on debian testing :(
23:17<Dreakon>i installed the sun-java6-bin, sun-java6-jre and sun-java6-plugin packages from the repo's, but java applets don't seem to want to load in Chrome
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23:32<Dreakon>man, this java is really being mean to me...
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23:35<Dreakon>Hmm... I installed SUN's java, how do I make that the default java dealy?
23:37<Dreakon>allright, I made it the default with update-alternatives
23:37<Dreakon>but the applets still wont load
23:37<simonrvn>java is mean to everyone ;P
23:38<Dreakon>I see...
23:39<Dreakon>So... after installing the sun java packages from the repo's... whats the best way to have it actually load applets in Chrome?
23:39<Dreakon>sun's java seems to be the default
23:39<Dreakon>now that I fixed it
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23:40<amitz>you need to create a symlink at /opt/chrome/plugins IIRC.
23:40<amitz>google around for a more complete approach.
23:41<Dreakon>alrighty, yeah I think I saw it mentioned
23:41<Dreakon>in my lurkings
23:42<amitz>assuming applets == plugins
23:43<Dreakon>considering I installed from the repo's and not from the files on SUN's website, where is the file I would have to symlink?
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23:44<simonrvn>applets, java applets, uses the java plugin to run them.
23:44<simonrvn>implies you need to have it installed, it it being able to find the binary to execute it.
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23:49<amitz>Dreakon: my java still won't work. It only works for plugins of mozilla.
23:49<Dreakon>I see, so it doesn't work in chrome?
23:50<amitz>basically the idea is to link the plugins of mozilla as a symlink to that folders.
23:50<dpkg>folder is a directory damn it! near My Computer and Network Neighborhood... or the things you put in a filing cabinet. IMAP protocol's mailboxes.
23:50<amitz>see an example in mozilla-plugin package or something similar.
23:51<amitz>as for the location of file to link.
23:52<Dreakon>mmm... does chrome use this "mozilla-plugin" as well?
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23:52<amitz>you make it uses it by creating that symlink.
23:53<Dreakon>well theres a in the mozilla folder
23:53<amitz>do see bugs report though since I notice some packages begin to recognize chrome as a browser.
23:53<ml|>I don't use chrome, but you need to: ln -s /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/ /path/to/chromes/plugins/dir
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23:55<amitz>Dreakon: sorry, I'm on and off. Busy. yes, like ml| said. My example assumes you use chrome from their debian repository.
23:56<Dreakon>amitz, no problem. :) I did as you suggested ml|... cross my fingers for results ;)
23:57<ml|>good luck
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23:57<coldhost>anyone here?
23:57<Dreakon>sigh, these applets just refuse to load lol
23:58<Dreakon>i am, but im not much help ;)
23:58<coldhost>how could i get the latest version of kde ?
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23:58<Dreakon>from the repo's?
23:58<ml|>but regardless that should work after installing chrome, ie. do it for you
23:58<Dreakon>ml|, but I already have chrome installed lol
23:58<coldhost>deb testing main
23:59<coldhost>deb-src testing main
23:59<coldhost>this ones?
23:59<ml|>Dreakon: and you restarted chrome right?
23:59<Dreakon>ml|, yessir.
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