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#debian IRC Logs for 2010-05-09

---Logopened Sun May 09 00:00:32 2010
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00:16<jester45>brendan_, if you want their packages, install their packages. just be ready to fix the many problems that will come from doing that
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00:23<jack-desktop>can anyone tell me how to get rid of this kde Nepomuk Strigi File indexing program?
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00:23<jack-desktop>I don't even remember installing anything with kde
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00:46<edbian>What package do I need in order to get libQt3 support?
00:48<dondelelcaro>edbian: to do what with qt3?
00:49<edbian>I have a script that wants to use it. " cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory"
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00:52<gdb> - "Sorry, your search gave no results."
00:53<gdb>Ah but here!
00:53<gdb> = libqt4-qt3support
00:53<dondelelcaro>got to love drive by questions
00:53<gdb>Oh, hah, he left.
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01:41<doobian>damn, i tried ubuntu the other day, and came kicking and screaming back to debian - debian runs soo much better - ubuntu is sooo slow
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02:55<mentor>Oh arse
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03:01<mentor>max, Piet, tazz, aranax, davyg, imganquan, SubWolf, ao2, stickpin, freex_, cahoot, Appl6, doobian, chihchun: My apologies; may I ask you for a copy of the channel topic when you came in, as I have just been a moron?
03:02<davyg>what ?
03:02<Appl6>mentor: Um, so far the topic has been "X has entered. Y has left. Z has entered. ..." =P
03:03<cahoot>mentor: only got it translated to swedish
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03:03<mentor>Shall I just change it to "Nothing to see here, move along?"
03:03<mentor>Google wins
03:03<cahoot> lenny (5.0.4) /msg dpkg lennyr4 | /msg dpkg etch->lenny | 4.0r8 /msg dpkg etch | NO FLOOD: /msg dpkg pastebin | /msg bots NOT people | offtopic: #debian-offtopic | FAQ:
03:03<mentor>Thank you
03:03-!-ChanServ changed the topic of #debian to: lenny (5.0.4) /msg dpkg lennyr4 | /msg dpkg etch->lenny | 4.0r8 /msg dpkg etch | NO FLOOD: /msg dpkg pastebin | /msg bots NOT people | offtopic: #debian-offtopic | FAQ:
03:04<mentor>Now I'm not allowed to touch that anymore
03:04<mentor>Thank you all.
03:04<davyg>ok i've understood, what you wanted, i'm a bit slow to think this morning ^^
03:05<mentor>It's alright, no more talking before coffee need take place
03:07<Appl6>mentor: Oh sorry, I didn't realize what you were asking. I'm extremely new to IRC.
03:09<mentor>Well, there may be some stuff in the topic that will be helpful to you
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03:26<EmleyMoor>valdyn: Have tried google and found no relevant solutions
03:26<quintero>hay alguiejn no qque me csgo en diez ya en??
03:26<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat
03:26<quintero>alguien ssabe hablar en español??
03:27<locklace>quintero: aqui se habla ingles solamente
03:27<quintero>si ono
03:27<EmleyMoor>Will look more on google but if anyone can adhvise me how to make eSATA hotplug mount work, I am listening
03:27<quintero>no locklance
03:27<quintero>,o como tre llamaes
03:28<quintero>chuparme la pollaa todo el mundop
03:28<quintero>es broaaaaaa
03:28<quintero>lockance estas hay?
03:29<simonrvn>!es-social quintero
03:29<dpkg>quintero: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador por favor ingresa al canal social de #debian-es con /join #debian-es-cachondeo. Tus amigos probablemente ya esten ahi.
03:30<simonrvn>woops, wrong one
03:30<quintero>el que el que
03:31<dpkg>Ubuntu esta basado en Debian, pero no es Debian, y dificilmente tendra los estandares de Debian. Solo Debian es soportado en #debian. Por favor conectese a #ubuntu-es en Ahi recibira mas soporte.
03:31<quintero>traduce coñon traduce
03:32<simonrvn>ohno, the translation sucks.........*sigh*
03:32<simonrvn>*plonk* this is me caring as much as you quintero
03:33<simonrvn>quintero: want respect, you put it out
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03:34<simonrvn>people put time and effort to help others, and you dis it by not bothering to do anything
03:34<simonrvn>i'm done, sorry for the disturbance
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03:40<quintero>que pasa aquiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii
03:42<quintero>ole viva el betis contra el murcia y el barsa 2-3 buf que gran partido azulgrana pero el el madrid 5-1 ba na la liga tiene un 93%azulgrana y un 7%madridista
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03:42<quintero>asi que... comerme la polla todos como no respondis
03:43<quintero>xao y aa chuparla no te jode
03:43<quintero>viva el puto betis y se acbo aunque este en segundaaaaaaaaa
03:43<locklace>!ops quintero
03:43<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: locklace complains about: quintero
03:44<quintero>quintero lo vale joderrrr
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03:44<quintero>que que??
03:44<quintero>a chuparla
03:44-!-mode/#debian [+q *!~quintero@] by mentor
03:45<simonrvn>not the first time s/he's +q here...
03:45<@mentor>What does "traduce coñon traduce" mean?
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03:46<simonrvn>"translate ___ translate"
03:46<simonrvn>MoJI4yH: you're here ;)
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03:49<simonrvn>same person
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05:41*EmleyMoor is still getting nowhere with eSATA hotplug - could be a setting in a supplementary BIOS, but no idea how to get there...
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05:44<TCW>EmleyMoor, hm?
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05:46<EmleyMoor>TCW: Can access the disk connected at boot OK, but changing it makes it inaccessible.
05:46<EmleyMoor>The eSATA port is on a supplementary (but still on board) controller
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05:47<TCW>EmleyMoor, what sata chip is used and in what mode?
05:47*aiux get the same whit a ps/2 mouse on lenny 2.6.26-2-686
05:48<EmleyMoor>Marvell 6111 I think - and as for the mode, I have no idea
05:48<TCW>aiux, ps/2 mouse and keyboard or NOT hotplugable
05:48<aiux>ok TCW thanks
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05:49<TCW>EmleyMoor, that is the thing you need to look into. As not all sata chips do support hotplugging correctly or at all. Even intel chips pre ahci don't work with hotplugging.
05:50<TCW>aiux, if you do hotplug ps/2 connectors it may even fry your keyboard controller
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05:50<EmleyMoor>Main SATA controller has it, but would they really provide a substandard one purely for the eSATA?
05:50<aiux>TCW, good to know
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05:51<TCW>EmleyMoor, no idea what "they" would or would not do, what I said is a fact and I only told you to make sure your are on the safe side there
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05:52<TCW>EmleyMoor, even a sata controller in compatibility mode does not support hotplugging... may be worth a check in the mainboard bios
05:53<EmleyMoor>That controller is not adjustable in the mainboard BIOS
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05:53<TCW>EmleyMoor, you said it is a onboard chip?
05:53<EmleyMoor>Only the main one is - and that is set to AHCI
05:54<EmleyMoor>It is onboard but supplementary to the Southbridge
05:54<TCW>EmleyMoor, is it a PCI[e] card or built-in?
05:54<EmleyMoor>Built in
05:55<TCW>EmleyMoor, and there are no messages regarding this chip during bios POST messages? Like "hit alt-f12 to enter sata bios"?
05:55<EmleyMoor>If there are they go by too fast
05:55<TCW>or instead of bios maybe it says "sata cnfiguration" or "drive configuration" or anything else...
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05:56<TCW>EmleyMoor, why not using the real onboard chip for esata?
05:57<EmleyMoor>TCW: It is fully occupied by drives and the eSATA port ready fitted is on the other chip
06:00<TCW>EmleyMoor, as it seems the supplemtary chip has issues with hotplugging, if you can't check the configuration for this chip, I'd suggest a more pragmatic approach and swap drives. For example (almost) no one needs a hotplugable CD drive / burner, so I'd plug that drive to the supplemtary controler and the esata port to the first controller.
06:00<EmleyMoor>TCW: The ports are fixed to the controllers they are on
06:01<TCW>EmleyMoor, sure they are... I am talking about swapping cables and not the sockets
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06:02<EmleyMoor>So, how do I put a soldered-to-the-board eSATA port onto a different controller?
06:03<EmleyMoor>Also, how do I tidily connect an internal drive to an external port?
06:03<TCW>EmleyMoor, what? The supplementary chip is directly wired to a backplane and it is not plugable at all?
06:04<EmleyMoor>It is all on the main board
06:04<TCW>EmleyMoor, we had that already :)
06:04<EmleyMoor>So, why the question?
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06:05<TCW>EmleyMoor, backplane == the metal plane at the back side of your computer where you can connect cables.
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06:05<TCW>s/plane/plate/ :)
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06:06<EmleyMoor>As in where the keyboard, mouse, network etc. go?
06:06<TCW>EmleyMoor, yes
06:07<EmleyMoor>Then, yes
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06:07<TCW>EmleyMoor, oh wait... I may read it wrong... so there are esata ports on the mainboard directly?
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06:07<locklace>TCW: that isn't a backplane
06:08<TCW>locklace, what is it called then? Sorry, not a native english speaker here :)
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06:08<EmleyMoor>There is precisely one... on the mainboard, rear panel, near the Firewire port
06:08<TCW>EmleyMoor, ahhh... now I get it :)
06:09<locklace>TCW: don't think it has a name. "back panel" maybe
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06:10<TCW>EmleyMoor, did you test a different operating system? I just find it kinda awkward to have a esata port directly on the mainbaord but without support for hotplugging, so I think it _may_ be a kernel issue
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06:10<EmleyMoor>Not tested with any other OS
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06:11<TCW>EmleyMoor, anyway... lspci -n paste the output to a paste service
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06:11<TCW>EmleyMoor, and I would at least test some live-distros like grml or knoppix
06:11<deviant>need 4 help please.. i'm going crazy T_T
06:12<deviant>need help for dualboot with debian and winxp..
06:12<TCW>EmleyMoor, of sorry, lspci -nn :)
06:13<locklace>!tell deviant about dual boot guide
06:13<TCW>deviant, don't scream for help, describe yur issue
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06:13<deviant>i'm italian, so sorry for poor english... i'll try to make you understand my issue
06:14<deviant>yesterday i've installed Debian in partition D: of my pc
06:14<deviant>now, Debian works but windows not
06:15<deviant>it give me an errore, something like "hal.dll missing or corrupted"
06:15<TCW>so the bootmanager does show xp?
06:16<deviant>it shows me two windows.. i don't know why but it shows me 2 windows..
06:16<TCW>deviant, what are the two lines concerning windows in the bootmanager?
06:16<deviant>under "Other operative systems" i see "Windows NT/2000/XP
06:16<deviant>and "Windows XP Professional"
06:16<dr|z3d>Sounds like you have 2 windows installs, deviant.
06:16<TCW>deviant, you are on Debian right now on that box?
06:17<deviant>but i've got only one windows..
06:17<dr|z3d>Either that or your boot.ini is incorrect.
06:17<deviant>xp profesional
06:17<deviant>how can i correct my boot.ini?
06:17<deviant>i've googled and find something for edit the boot.ini of XP
06:17<dr|z3d>Open it and remove any extraneous entries you find. Feel free to pastebin.
06:18<deviant>but in debian i can't find the boot.ini of XP...
06:18<dr|z3d>Any text editor will allow you to edit boot.ini
06:18<deviant>where can i find it?
06:18<dr|z3d>root directory of your c: drive, usually.
06:18<TCW>deviant, paste the output of fdisk -l as root to a paste service, then the conteamts of yur bootmanager config file and later on a look in boot.ini (located on the windows partition in its root folder) could be handy too
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06:19<deviant>kk wait..
06:19<TCW>03:00.0 IDE interface [0101]: Marvell Technology Group Ltd. 88SE6121 SATA II Controller [11ab:6121] (rev b2) <- EmleyMoor, that is the chip?
06:19<TCW>deviant, is it grub2 or grub1 r even lilo?
06:20<deviant>er.. i'm new of linux.. i'm a newbie
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06:20<EmleyMoor>TCW: Yes
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06:21<locklace>you want that to be in ahci mode, not ide compat mode
06:21<TCW>EmleyMoor, try googleing that chip if others have hotplugging issues too
06:21<klh>deviant: did you install win xP before debian ?
06:21<EmleyMoor>locklace: I can't find the way into the settings
06:21<klh>it is the dab way
06:21<TCW>EmleyMoor, and at least I *think* that "IDE Controller" in the front indicates it is in compatibility mode
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06:21<klh>deviant: you can't boot on debian from xp
06:22<klh>the easiest way is to install debian before XP
06:22<TCW>klh, generyll wrong
06:22<TCW>generally wrong even
06:23<deviant>what can i do now?
06:23<TCW>last time I checked WinXP did delete the GNU/Linux bootloader and did not add GNU/Linux to its own bootloader
06:24<deviant>but there's a thing i don't understand..
06:24<deviant>i've got XP in C: and Debian in D:
06:24<klh>TCW : sorry it is a mistake ^
06:24<deviant>what's the problem
06:24<TCW>deviant, I told you what to do... I am still waiting for the pastes (to a paste service NOT here!). If you have trouble underdstanding or not knowing how to do what is asked of you, ask how to do it.
06:25<deviant>sorry.. where i have to paste?
06:25<TCW>deviant, I suggest but any other paste service would do
06:26<EmleyMoor>Ah, there is, at least potentially, a patch
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06:27<deviant>here's my paste..
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06:29<TCW>deviant, looks nice... and from now on you don't say C: or D: anymore, it is sda1 for a up to now unknown partition (maybe some sort of a windows rescue system?), sda2 for your linux partition and sda2 for your Windows partition. But to be honest, at least I think you may have screwed your windows... but we will see :)
06:29<TCW>err.... the last sda2 should be sda3
06:29<deviant>noooooo T__T
06:30<TCW>deviant, we will see
06:30<deviant>thanks :(
06:30<TCW>deviant, first, lets see what files are on sda3, shall we?
06:31<deviant>sorry again but linux it's totally new for me...
06:32<TCW>deviant, as root: mkdir /mnt/sda3; mount /dev/sda3 /mnt/sda3; ls -l /mnt/sda3 >/tmp/ls-l.txt
06:32<deviant>uhm kk
06:32<TCW>deviant, that will give yu a file called ls-l.txt in your /tmp/ folder... upload that file to the paste service
06:32<TCW>you even
06:34<TCW>deviant, you may even look for yourself first and see if private date is there you don't want to show... do ls -l /mnt/sda3 after mounting and have a look at the output
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06:36<EmleyMoor>Kernel 2.6.32 includes a supposed fix - but for some reason it doesn't force AHCI on mine
06:37<deviant>ehm.. have a bit patience..
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06:37<TCW>EmleyMoor, afaik know a driver can't force anything if the controller itself reports to be in IDE / compatibility mode
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06:38<TCW>s/a// :)
06:38<deviant>i hope it's right..
06:38<TCW>deviant, me too ;)
06:39<deviant>eh.. XD
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06:39<TCW>deviant, do you have a usb disk at hand?
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06:39<EmleyMoor>TCW: My reading up seems to imply otherwise in the case of this controller. Anyway, the patch is now part of the kernel. I will be rebooting soon to see if I can find the way into its settings
06:39<TCW>deviant, how much space is there on ot left?
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06:40<TCW>EmleyMoor, ok
06:40<deviant>wait, maybe i haven't understood..
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06:41<deviant>usb disk.. you mean a pendrive?
06:41<deviant>or a usb hardisk
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06:41<TCW>deviant, does not matter... some sort of a writeable storage medium
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06:42<deviant>i've got a new pendrive
06:42<deviant>4 gigs
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06:43<TCW>deviant, thing is... I'd suggest trying to back up some files from your ntfs (Windows) partition. 1.) to see if the partition is readable 2.) to get your important data out of harms way...
06:44<deviant>i've got a 1 Tb usb harddisk attached..
06:44<TCW>deviant, sounds big enough :)
06:44<deviant>lol XD
06:44<deviant>how can i make backup from debian?
06:44<TCW>deviant, but right now you could only use root to copy files and NOT your user with the gui
06:45<deviant>so i have to use the root terminal?
06:45<TCW>deviant, you see that -rw------- on ?
06:46<TCW>deviant, either that or change some stuff to do it withing Gnome / KDE or whatever your GUI environment is
06:46<TCW>within even
06:47<TCW>deviant, basically it means only root has access. You should read soemthing about unix rights and permissions, file and directory modes as they vastly differ from what you may know from windows
06:48<TCW>deviant, that reading is for another day :)
06:49<TCW>deviant, what is your username?
06:49<deviant>in debian?
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06:49<TCW>prolly "deviant"?
06:49<TCW>deviant, yes, in debian
06:49<TCW>deviant, ok, paste the output of "id deviant"
06:50<TCW>should only be one line, it is ok to paste that amount directly here
06:50<deviant>uid=1000(deviant) gid=1000(deviant) gruppi=1000(deviant),20(dialout),24(cdrom),25(floppy),29(audio),44(video),46(plugdev),110(netdev),115(powerdev)
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06:50<deviant>is it right?
06:51<TCW>deviant, so your uid and gid is 1000, we will mount the ntfs drive now in a way that your user (with your uid and gid) is able to read files from the ntfs drive
06:52<deviant>can i go away for some minutes?
06:52<deviant>i'm not eating from yesterday..
06:52<deviant>my parents are going to kill me XD
06:52<TCW>deviant, as root: umount /mnt/sda3; mount -o uid=1000,gid=1000 /dev/sda3 /mnt/sda3
06:52<TCW>deviant, sure... highlight me when you are back
06:52<deviant>thanks a lot TCW , you're saving a life
06:54<TCW>we will see... :)
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07:01<seeS>is that really cq?
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07:02<CQ>seeS: yup :) every now and then ...
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07:02<seeS>wow, I've not seen you for.. well longer than I'd rather admit
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07:02<seeS>There's probably DD's that old now!
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07:03<CQ>at some poitn I realized that I won't be using debian a lot, so I have an ubuntu server isntalled with a bunch of deboan VMs in Virtualbox just to keep up to date...
07:03<CQ>ouch, probably right ;)
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07:03<TCW>how old must a indivudual be to be accepted as DD? :)
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07:03<seeS>i actually don't know the answer to that
07:04<bremner>TCW: afaik, there is no formal rule.
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07:04<CQ>I do have a problem right now though... I have several drives that are mounted, but not showing up with df or mount .... any ideas? all are encrypted filesystems, all are in fstab with noauto, and they are definitely mounted right now.
07:05<TCW>bremner, I thought so too... and I wonder how young the youngest DD currently is :)
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07:05*seeS thinks his 10yo is too busy playing DS games to count
07:05<seeS>you sure they're mounted?
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07:05<seeS>i guess you can see "stuff" on them
07:05<CQ>seeS: I just backed up /home to them, so yes ;) ... plus remounting them says they're mounted
07:06<locklace>CQ: what does "cat /proc/mounts" say
07:06<seeS>ll beat me to it
07:07<CQ>locklace: they're all in there ...
07:08<CQ> has the /proc/mounts ..,
07:08<locklace>which are the problem partitions
07:08<CQ>locklace: look at the second paste ... /home /mnt/data /mnt/backup1
07:09<locklace>any difference with df -a
07:10<CQ>locklace: that shows a few /sys mounts and /proc, but still not those...
07:11<locklace>df still reads mtab, which never had any reason for being even in the old days
07:11<seeS>ooh, this is a bit like a bug i've got in anothe rprogram
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07:11<locklace>your paste shows mtab is out of sync with /proc/mounts
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07:11<CQ>maybe a reboot's the cure ...
07:11<locklace>so you're hitting a bug somewhere
07:11<locklace>you can "fix" it by just copying /proc/mounts to mtab for now
07:12*EmleyMoor has taken this opportunity to upgrade his BIOS - not that it has helped the Marvell controller at all
07:12<locklace>well, not quite copying, you have to munge the format a little
07:13<CQ>locklace: I can live with it for now... I'll reboot it later and see what happens
07:14<EmleyMoor>Need another reboot just to be sure all is well
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07:18<locklace>CQ: another way to fix it is by calling mount -f on those devices
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07:26<EmleyMoor>All well but still no way to set that controller to AHCI - seems the kernel can do it but isn't, though
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07:29<locklace>maybe you need to pass a boot or driver option
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07:30<EmleyMoor>locklace: Yes, maybe... not sure what though as I haven't found a mention
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07:40<locklace>what kind of system is that anyway
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07:41<EmleyMoor>ASUS M3A79-T DL motherboard
07:42<gernot>Hi. For the 2nd time within one week an external HD that worked fine for about 2 years disconnected and reconnected (hub 4-4:1.0: port 6 disabled by hub (EMI?), re-enabling...). I also have an identical one that doesn't do that (yet). Could this be a sign of the drive having a defect? I did run badblocks on it and couldn't find anything.
07:43<EmleyMoor>gernot: More likely the controller (in the box)
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07:44<gernot>EmleyMoor, right, that makes sense. Certainly something to send it in for? If I'm lucky I have a couple of days warranty left.
07:44<EmleyMoor>gernot: If you have warranty on it, I would try
07:44*EmleyMoor just built three external HDs for himself
07:45<gernot>EmleyMoor, thank you. I'll go digging for the receipts then. :)
07:45<locklace>EmleyMoor: how about booting with ahci.marvell_enable=1
07:46*EmleyMoor may well try
07:46<abrotman>after two years? i'd be pretty skeptical
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07:47<gernot>abrotman, was that directed at me? if so what is your take on it?
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07:48<abrotman>gernot: i'd agree with the idea that the controller is dying (pretty common in external USB enclosures) .. but i'd doubt you still have a warranty left after two years
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07:49<gernot>abrotman, ah I see. The 2 years are an estimate. I'm going to find out how long it has actually been and maybe it's less than that. I didn't know it was common for the controllers to die by the way.
07:50*EmleyMoor likes the DIY approach for reasons like this
07:50<gernot>I guess that's where the price differences come from. I have some 7 year old enclosures that cost a shitload of money back then (with FW800) that still work nicely. What broke is one of those cheap plasticy ones that don't cost more than a bare drive. I guess I learned a lesson here.
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07:58<EmleyMoor>No luck with that kernel option :-(
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07:59<locklace>EmleyMoor: time to post to lkml
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07:59<EmleyMoor>locklace: Have asked the local LUG
07:59<EmleyMoor>Will post to lkml if I get nowhere soon
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08:16<Appl6>Hello. I installed Debian 5.0.3 on an old machine (256 MHz Cyrix, 64 MB RAM with some used by the graphics card). The booting of the kernel startup hangs at different times every time I boot (this includes when I tried to install it, it hung numerous times at different places before I could get it to work). What might cause the hanging at different times?
08:16<azeem_>Appl6: out of memory?
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08:16<Appl6>azeem_: I used the lowmem option, and the Debian installer guide says I should be OK down to 44 MB.
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08:20<locklace>the kernel doesn't need much memory at all to boot
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08:21<locklace>Appl6: maybe see if you fare any better with an up to date kernel. 2.6.32 is in lenny-backports
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08:25<Appl6>locklace: Unfortunately, my computer has no Ethernet card. I was planning to use a USB wireless device to connect the Internet after Debian was installed from the CD. I didn't think I could afford to have the kernel load so many modules to try to match it to my USB wireless device.
08:26<bremner>any midori users figured out how to disable to new google interface? It plunks a big pile of icons on top of the first results
08:26<locklace>you can do the update by manually copying over the (two) packages you need
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08:32<Appl6>locklace: It took 46 attempts before the install CD booted. Would that update involve me using the install CD in rescue mode and mounting a USB drive with the newer kernel?
08:33<locklace>yeah, since you have to get booted somehow
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08:34<locklace>other thing you can try is putting the latest kmuto (backport) installer image on a cd and try booting that. the result will be a pretty good indication of how much luck you'll have with the newer kernel
08:34<dpkg>For Debian Lenny installers with up-to-date kernels, see . The <bnx2> and <bnx2x> firmware files for Linux 2.6.32 are included in 0116 images.
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08:42<Appl6>locklace: Before I deal with that, is there a set of very conservative kernel options that might let it crawl to a bootable system?
08:43<TCW>Appl6, it is not possible to simply put more RAM in the box?
08:44<TCW>Or even a VGA card and disable the onboard card to get more RAM free
08:45<Appl6>TCW: I could, but I don't know that RAM is the issue. Given that it takes anywhere from 10 to 130 seconds for the boot to fail, it doesn't seem likely that it's running out of RAM.
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08:50<TCW>Appl6, so you think there may be a hardware failure?
08:51<Appl6>TCW: I don't know enough about the boot process, but it seems like not too many things could cause failure at such widely different times.
08:51<Appl6>TCW: And I thought someone more knowledgeable about the boot process might be able to identify one of those, and maybe know a kernel boot option designed to handle it. Or maybe they'd know to give up already =).
08:52<locklace>can't think of any terribly useful kernel options here. the kernel probes for everything before it loads/activates a feature anyway
08:52<locklace>bad ram could do it
08:52<Appl6>Well what do you know, mem=50M did it.
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08:52<TCW>Appl6, erratic behaviour / failures at different times may indicate buggy / broken hardware, that's all I am saying
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08:52<TCW>Appl6, you did specify mem=50M and now it boots reliable?
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08:53<locklace>that's highly indicative of bad ram
08:53<Appl6>TCW: It boots once haha.
08:53<Appl6>TCW: I haven't tried it again.
08:53<TCW>Appl6, boot several times :)
08:53<Appl6>TCW: locklace: Do you want me to try it again? Does this have any value as an experiment, or to satisfy your curiosity?
08:54<TCW>Appl6, both
08:54<Appl6>With or without mem=50M ?
08:54<dreamy_>hello, when i had ubuntu i installed the wireless card realy eazily with an assintant in the system menu... it was an assitant to search for 3rd party software drivers, and install those, how can i do in a similar way now that i have debian?
08:54<TCW>Appl6, with
08:54<abrotman>dreamy_: which wifi card is it ?
08:54<dreamy_>my objective is to install my wireless card
08:54<dreamy_>hold on
08:54<locklace>Appl6: or just clean the contacts and swap the simms
08:55<dreamy_>abrotman, shold i type lspci ?
08:55<abrotman>lspci -nn .. might be easier
08:55<dreamy_>may i paste?
08:55<dreamy_>2 lines
08:55<dreamy_>07:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4306 802.11b/g Wireless LAN Controller (rev 03)
08:55<TCW>Appl6, I guess your priority is to get a stable working operating system on that box and not a "sometimes booting system", so imho it is nice to narrow the issue down. And true, swapping RAM and cleaning the socket may help too.
08:56<abrotman>!tell dreamy_ about b43-fwcutter
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08:56<dreamy_>ok , ty abrotman
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09:09<czlek>Hello! Could someone help me? I want to change the resolution, but when I try to change it there's a blank field.
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09:10<kara>hello guys this is my first time to chat on line
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09:11<azeem_>kara: please go to #ubuntu on
09:12<kara>i just want to know where to find fine books for linux beginners
09:13<deviant>TCW, here i am
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09:13<kara>deviant are you a french? oder deutch
09:14<TCW>deviant, that was a loooooong lunchbreak :)
09:14<deviant>i'm italian
09:14<czlek>Could someone help me? I want to change the resolution, but when I try to change it there's a blank field.
09:14<deviant>yes... it's motherday today XD
09:14<kara>i'm congolese
09:14<azeem_>kara: are you running guadalinex?
09:14<TCW>deviant, so how was the meal? Was it satisfactory enough to keep me / us waiting so long? :p
09:14<kara>i don't know; it's my first time to use these soft
09:15<azeem_>kara: where do you have it from?
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09:15<deviant>sorry :(
09:15<deviant>it was satisfactory enough anyway XD
09:15<kara>from backtrack 4(downloaded)
09:15<TCW>deviant, just kidding... sort of :)
09:15<azeem_>ah, that one
09:15<dpkg>BackTrack is a Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu> Intrepid (as of BackTrack 4), previously <SLAX>. Derived from merging two penetration-testing distributions: WHAX (formerly WHOPPIX) and Auditor Security Linux. It is not supported in #debian. #backtrack-linux on See also <based on debian>.
09:15<locklace>czlek: man xrandr
09:15<kara>yep i know
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09:16<azeem_>kara: see the "It is not supported in #debian. #backtrack-linux on" part
09:16<TCW>deviant, so where were we?
09:16<deviant>umount /mnt/sda3; mount -o uid=1000,gid=1000 /dev/sda3 /mnt/sda3
09:16<TCW>deviant, any issues with that?
09:17<kara>whatis /dev/zero
09:17<deviant>i think it's all ok... no issue report..
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09:17<deviant>what i have to do now
09:17<TCW>kara, a special device just a source for digital zeros... more or less
09:18<TCW>deviant, ls -l /mnt/sda3 paste one line of the listing here
09:18<kara>digital zero? i don't get it
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09:19<TCW>kara, cat /dev/zero and see what you get... strg+c to intrrupt
09:19<deviant>uhm.. with that command i see a list of my XP folders and files..
09:19<TCW>deviant, yeah, and just paste one single line representing any of the files or flders
09:19<TCW>folders even
09:20<deviant>-rw------- 1 deviant deviant 0 11 feb 11:38 AUTOEXEC.BAT
09:20<TCW>deviant, do you see the difference compared to before?
09:21<deviant>the only difference is that now i see "deviant deviant"
09:21<deviant>first time i see "root"
09:21<kara>i don't get any thing man, still waiting
09:21<abrotman>kara: you're in the wrong channel, go to #backtrack-linux on
09:22<TCW>deviant, and before it was root root... basically you are allowed now to access the files and folders with your normal user account... details about that, as said, read something about unix rights and permissions... but not now :)
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09:22<deviant>aaahhh, ok
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09:22<deviant>so, now i can edit something?
09:22<kara>excuse for disturbing, i turn off
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09:22<deviant>or take a backup of the folders and files?
09:23<deviant>like boot.ini?
09:23<TCW>deviant, so now open nautilus or whatever filemanager you are comfortable with and start backing up the files and folders you thing are important enough to waste space on the external 1TB drive :)
09:23<TCW>think even
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09:24<TCW>deviant, first backup, then (maybe) fixing the issue
09:24<deviant>ther's a "boot.ini" file...oki
09:25<TCW>deviant, btw. what filesystem does the external usb drive have?
09:26<deviant>TCW, ntfs
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09:27<TCW>deviant, ok, are you allowed to write on that device in linux yet? As depending on the configuration read-only on ntfs may be default
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09:28<deviant>let's see
09:28<deviant>it seems that i can't mount that volume..
09:28<TCW>deviant, you are on Gnome?
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09:29<TCW>deviant, and a fairly default debian installation? Lenny I guess?
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09:29<TCW>deviant, and it does not get automounted when you plug the drive in?
09:30<deviant>when i plug in the drive, i can see it in the filemanager but i can't open it to copy in my files
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09:31<TCW>deviant, ah, I see... as user (open another terminal like gnome-terminal and don't become root there) type mount and paste the output to a paste service
09:32<deviant>here it is
09:33<deviant>why i'm so noob with debian T__T
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09:34<TCW>deviant, I don't see the usb drive... anyway, before trying to figure out what screws to fiddle with in gnome we do it the manual way... dpkg -l ntfs-3g and paste the last line here
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09:35<deviant>in the root terminal?
09:35<TCW>deviant, because up to now you did not invest much time in reading about the wonderful world of GNI/Linux... as said, do that maybe after we did figure out if your system is utterly broken or fixable :)
09:35<TCW>deviant, always as user only as root if indicated
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09:37<TCW>deviant, a general rule, always try to do stuff as user, if it does not work as user FIRST understand why it does not work as user then evaluate if it is worth doing it as rot or if there is an alternative to do it as user.
09:37<deviant>it says that no package is an ntfs-3g
09:37<TCW>deviant, that may mean it is not installed yet, as root: aptitude install ntfs-3g
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09:38<TCW>deviant, installed?
09:38<deviant>try again?
09:39<TCW>deviant, no :)
09:39<deviant>lol ok
09:39<TCW>deviant, as user: id
09:39<TCW>deviant, check if yu are in the fuse group
09:39<TCW>you even
09:40<TCW>deviant, type id and paste the output (one line)
09:40<deviant>uid=1000(deviant) gid=1000(deviant) gruppi=20(dialout),24(cdrom),25(floppy),29(audio),44(video),46(plugdev),110(netdev),115(powerdev),1000(deviant)
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09:41<TCW>deviant, you see audio, plugdev, dialout etc? That are the groups you are in. So you are not in the "fuse" group. As root: adduser deviant fuse
09:42<TCW>deviant, then do a relogin. That means close your gnome session and log back in
09:42<deviant>it says that FUSE Group doesn't exist
09:43<root_>is there any downloader soft as bitcomet for debian?
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09:44<TCW>deviant, dpkg -l ntfs-3g
09:44<themill>root_: this still is not the channel for backtrack.
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09:44<old>deviant: Do you have fuse-utils installed?
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09:45<deviant>old, i've installed debian yesterday, so i think it's all new... i haven't installed nothing yet
09:45<EmleyMoor>Any more ideas on my Marvell eSATA problem? I'm about to look at lkml archives before posting to it#
09:45<old>root_: I use Deluge. I don't know if it is bitcomet-like, but works fine.
09:45<deviant>TCW, i'll paste dpkg results..
09:46<TCW>deviant, check with dpkg -l <packagename> where <packagename> is "fuse-utils" (same as with ntfs-3g before)
09:47<deviant>no package found as fuse-utils
09:48<dpkg>*** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. If someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get or aptitude.
09:48<TCW>weird, anyway, install it, same as above with ntfs-3g
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09:49<TCW>deviant, check if the group "fuse" does exist now. grep fuse /etc/group
09:49<old>deviant: ... and then `adduser deviant fuse` as root.
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09:50<Lillymon>I've just run vrms, and it lists skype under "Non-free packages with states other than installed on shizuku". I installed Skype a while back, but found it didn't work and tried to remove it. But vrms still lists it and Iceweasel still has a (disabled) plugin for it. How do I kill Skype for good? aptitude purge did nothing.
09:50<deviant>with "grep fuse /etc/group" i've got the result: fuse:x:116:
09:50<deviant>user added
09:51<TCW>deviant, that means the group exists, otherwiese you would have got no output at all
09:51<old>deviant: Now try to mount.
09:51<TCW>old, first relogin ;:)
09:51<TCW>deviant, so relogin now
09:51<old>TCW: Didn't know it's necessary. Thanks.
09:51<deviant>wait a moment
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09:52<TCW>old, more or less essential
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09:52<TCW>newgrp may do the trick sometimes, but a relogin works everytime, so I'll pick that :)
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09:53<deviant>here i am
09:53<deviant>i'll try+
09:53<TCW>deviant, welcome back :) type id in a terminal and see if "fuse" is listed now
09:53<TCW>as user
09:53<deviant>uid=1000(deviant) gid=1000(deviant) gruppi=20(dialout),24(cdrom),25(floppy),29(audio),44(video),46(plugdev),110(netdev),115(powerdev),116(fuse),1000(deviant)
09:53<deviant>fuse, here it is!
09:54<TCW>deviant, a "yes fuse is listed now" would have been enough :)
09:54<deviant>now what i have to do
09:54<TCW>deviant, at least if you do understand the issue about what id does and what the output stands for :)
09:55<cybercrasher>Hi... there is a ftp-server for older packages debian? I have Xebian in my Xbox 1 and I cant install amuled, proftpd, etc..
09:55<TCW>deviant, usb drive still pluged in?
09:56<deviant>TCW, yes
09:56<cybercrasher>@TCW, or GOOD!!!
09:56<TCW>deviant, as root: fdisk -l
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09:57<TCW>deviant, paste? :)
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09:58<TCW>deviant, you know what the output tells us?
09:59<deviant>i have to see the Id?
09:59<TCW>deviant, no guessing please :)
09:59<TCW>at least not if it isn't a educated guess ;)
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10:00<cybercrasher>Bye bye..
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10:00<deviant>sincerely i don't know what this screen is telling me..
10:01<TCW>deviant, anyway, as user: mkdir /home/deviant/usb-drive; ntfs-3g /dev/sdf1 /home/deviant/usb-drive
10:01<deviant>i see my devices...
10:01<salmenara>which is better radeon or radeonhd for my Ati card?
10:01<Appl6>TCW: locklace: Two boot failures using mem=50M. However, Puppy Linux and DSL boot consistently. Unfortunately DSL doesn't recognize hardware and I'm having wireless network issues on Puppy. I'll see if I can get it to work, download a new kernel, and then add it to Debian.
10:01<TCW>salmenara, almost ever radeon
10:02<deviant>"usb-drive" i have to put in the name of my drive? Verbatim?
10:02<locklace>Appl6: try grml, it has a memory test option in the boot loader
10:02<TCW>deviant, no, type exactly as I said
10:02<deviant>oh ok
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10:03<deviant>ntfs-3g: No mountpoint is specified.
10:04<TCW>deviant, but you could name the folder (mkdir does create a folder there) whatever you like... but it is a good thing that the one helping you does know the name as well, so in this case if you do not have any hard feelings about the name "usb-drive" stick with that :)
10:04<TCW>deviant, what EXACTLY did you type in as user?
10:04<salmenara>TCW: almost? I have a quite old X1300 (R5XX)
10:05<deviant>first "mkdir /home/deviant/usb-drive"
10:05<TCW>salmenara, just stick with radeon unless you have GOOD reasons to switch to radeon-hd
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10:05<TCW>deviant, and then?
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10:05<salmenara>TCW: Thank you!
10:05<deviant>than only ntfs-3g /dev/sdf1
10:06<deviant>i've seen a ; between sdf1 and /home
10:06<TCW>deviant, but I said:ntfs-3g /dev/sdf1 /home/deviant/usb-drive
10:06<deviant>you're right.. i'm an idiot -_-
10:06<deviant>i'll retry
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10:06<TCW>deviant, maybe not an idiot, but somewhat blind :)
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10:08<deviant>i'm awake something like 48 hours trying to do something with this pc and dualbooting.. i'm a little stressed 'cause i see my great inefficiency with linux..
10:08<deviant>i'll retry XD
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10:08<TCW>deviant, btw. you know what ";" means?
10:08<salmenara>I have installed testing and can't find /etc/X11/xorg.conf... please where is it now?
10:08<dpkg>From Lenny onwards, xorg mostly configures itself. Resolution is set by your monitor/graphics card (unless they're broken) or by your desktop environment or <xrandr>. From Squeeze, input hotplugging saves duplicating settings and restarting X after changes. The /etc/X11/xorg.conf file is usually no longer needed and is often blank. Manual configuration is still possible, see <xorg config lenny> <xorg config squeeze>.
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10:08<TCW>salmenara, generally it is not needed anymore
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10:09*salmenara say oooohhh
10:09<deviant>er.. i think but it's hard to explain it in english..
10:09<TCW>deviant, shouldn' be... it does just separate commands
10:09<TCW>deviant, so hard to explain? :)
10:10<salmenara>deviant: what is your primary language
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10:10<salmenara>deviant: but Inter is winning right now!
10:11<deviant>i don't like sport very much..
10:11<TCW>deviant, oops :) did your windows crash before? Or did you pull the power cord while windows was still running?
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10:12<deviant>never crashed..
10:12<deviant>and never pulled down the power while running
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10:13<salmenara>deviant: When I have this problem, I boot into Windows and then return to Linux
10:13<deviant>i can't boot windows XD
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10:13<TCW>deviant, but you did unplug the drive from your computer without ejecting it first via the systray applet in Windows?
10:13<deviant>TCW, there's a thing that i don't understand..
10:13<salmenara>deviant: do you have at least a Rescue CD ?
10:14<deviant>salmenara, no
10:14<TCW>salmenara, I have it "handled" already :)
10:14<deviant>TCW, this external hdd was formatted 4 days ago
10:15<deviant>cause i need some backups
10:15<salmenara>TCW: ok sorrry... :(
10:15<dreamy_>abrotman, does ndiwrapper installs any windows driver ? .. so its possible to install like for example a windows driver for my 3d card?
10:15<TCW>deviant, anyway... either we use the "force" option as that fine warning did tell us, or you search for a working and booting WinXP to check the drive there :)
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10:16<TCW>deviant, there is a linux tool to do a limited ntfs check, but afaik check a ntfs drive with Windows is always the better way to go.
10:16<TCW>deviant, is there important data on the usb drive yet?
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10:18<deviant>i've got a question, maybe it's a noob question but i'll try
10:18<deviant>now, with your help, i can see sda3
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10:18<deviant>so i can see my winxp files, right?
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10:19<deviant>there's nothing i can do with that boot.ini file?
10:19<TCW>deviant, right... but we d not know what sda1 is, maybe there are some files too...
10:19<azeem_>what do you want to do with it?
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10:20<deviant>azeem_, i dunno.. i'm going with some logic.. my XP doesn't boot, so i think in boot.ini there's something wrong.. i'm only guessing..
10:20<TCW>deviant, later on we can have a look in there to check why windows ist not booting. But as said I strongly suggest doing a backup of all you can get to now (sda3) before any more tries in fixing anything
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10:20<deviant>i'll try to see if i can save something in the pendrive..
10:21<TCW>deviant, the force option did not work?
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10:21<deviant>how can i force?
10:21<deviant>oh ok
10:21<TCW>deviant, did you read the last paste at all?
10:22<deviant>i'll try
10:22<deviant>in root right?
10:22<TCW>deviant, just omit the "mount -t" thing, only use "ntfs-3g -o force /dev/sdf1 /home/deviant/usb-drive"
10:22<TCW>deviant, no as user
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10:24<TCW>deviant, DON'T unplug the drive without umounting, ok? :)
10:24<deviant>when i force
10:25<deviant>i've got this message
10:25<TCW>deviant, just try to limit your usage of the enter key on your keyboard
10:25<deviant>ok sorry
10:27<TCW>deviant, ok... then as root, but specify -o force,uid=deviant
10:27<deviant>uhm ok
10:27<TCW>err... uid=1000
10:28<TCW>sorry :)
10:29<TCW>maybe the username would work too, but I am not sure right now. I _KNOW_ the user id (uid) does :)
10:29<deviant>TCW, if i can recover this pc or i cannot do it, i'll thank you so much anyway
10:30<deviant>for you patience at all
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10:30<deviant>i think i've done it rght..
10:30<deviant>how can i see if i can access the drive? with a filebrowser?
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10:31<TCW>deviant, I am just paranoid and see indications a backup of your essential files is a good idea. Others would omit that and just try to see why windows is complaining. So don't thank me :)
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10:32<TCW>deviant, ls -l /home/deviant/usb-drive would tell you, or just try to copy files with a filebrowser, your choice :)
10:32<deviant>ok i'll try
10:32<deviant>yahooo, i can open the drive!!
10:32<TCW>deviant, and write to it too?
10:34<deviant>let's see
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10:36<TCW>deviant, so... start the copy process, and while it does... paste the contents of /mnt/sda3/boot.ini
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10:37<TCW>deviant, oh... and say as much as possible about the computer BEFORE you installed Debian. Was it a self-built and installed computer with Windows on it? Was it bought from a big vendor like Dell or HP with a preinstalled Windows?
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10:39<TCW>deviant, as user: dpkg -l "grub*"
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10:39<deviant>this pc was firstly bought with Vista..
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10:39<deviant>than i've installed Xp cause Vista sucks
10:40<TCW>deviant, did you ever have a look at the drive layout with the Vista or XP built-in drive management tool?
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10:41<TCW>deviant, in other words, do you have _any_ knowledge about the drive layout before the Debian install? Why did you choose to install Debian to sda2?
10:42<TCW>deviant, upload the file /boot/grub/menu.lst to a paste service
10:43<deviant>because when i've installed WindowsXp, i've created two partitions C: and D: where's D: was my "backup drive"
10:43<deviant>my internal hdd is a 320 Gb, so i've decided to take an external 1 Tb usb drive
10:44<deviant>and install Debian in D:
10:44<TCW>and you somehow knew sda2 == D.?
10:44<deviant>or i think so..
10:44<deviant>i think that sda2 was D: because it was not bootable...
10:44<dougmencken>whats is hda11?
10:45<TCW>deviant, thing is... as it looks like now (and hopefully it is that way) sda2 was D: and sda3 is C: but your logic may say sda1 must be C:
10:45<TCW>dougmencken, the eleventh partition on hda
10:46<deviant>i think
10:47<gsimmons>dreamy_: No, network devices only.
10:48<dougmencken>TCW: it is not MBRT, not x86 or such
10:48*dougmencken don't use x86 nor i386 nor i486 nor i586 nor i586mmx................
10:49<TCW>deviant, so in wors case scenario... sda1 could have been the bootloader partition and so be bootable, sda2 could have been holding your Windows files and sda3 could have been the drive D: ... bottom line, just the assumption "not bootable, must be drive D:" may have costed you your Windows XP files...
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10:50<TCW>deviant, as said worst case scenario, right now it does not seem that way :)
10:50<deviant>i need to format and reinstall XP?
10:50<deviant>oh ok
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10:51<TCW>deviant, not yet, we are just gathering the facts and I try to teach you the sensibility needed to understand why "I think" is not enough to go on and delete / format / reformat with a different filesystem
10:51<deviant>yes, my logic says that "not bootable must be D: cause WinXP is on C:"
10:51<TCW>deviant, but you see drive C: is the THIRD partition on your disk and not the first one, right?
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10:52<TCW>deviant, and you see the possible implications?
10:53<deviant>mmmh... i've formatted the wrong partition?
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10:54<EmleyMoor>deviant: You could have done
10:54<TCW>deviant, right now I think (no facts, just a feeling as of now) you had a very very lucky day and all is fine with your data. You did not delete the wrong partition.
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10:54<deviant>i'm not an expert but maybe there's the possibility that i've formatted the partition with the bootloader of XP and installed in it Debian
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10:55*EmleyMoor was at work once when one of the other people working in the office suddenly exclaimed "Damn, I've newfs'd the wrong partition."
10:55<TCW>deviant, deviant maybe... but that would not be as bad as deleting your XP files, or do you think different there? :)
10:55<deviant>nono XD
10:56<TCW>deviant, copy is still in progress?
10:56<deviant>2 minutes left
10:56<TCW>deviant, ok... now lets see what sda1 is... as root: file -Ls /dev/sda1
10:57<deviant>anyway, i'm happy that i can see and manage my xp files right now.. i'm worried 'cause i've done a stupid thing.. next time is better that i find more and more informations about linux and partition...
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10:58<deviant>it says: /dev/sda1: x86 boot sector
10:58<TCW>deviant, you know that as of now only windows was the culprit here?
10:59<deviant>ok, copy done
10:59<deviant>sorry but i dunno what "cuplrit" mean..
10:59<EmleyMoor>That which was at fault
11:00<deviant>i don't understand T_T
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11:00<TCW>deviant, yeah, culprit, dumbness, fault, whatever... as Windows does name the third partition C: only because it is the system drive for windows, D: could be _any_ partition, as it is with all windows drive letters, they just suck and do reflect missleading information
11:01<deviant>aaah.. thanks locklace
11:01<TCW>I guess colpevole is italian for culprit? :)
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11:02*EmleyMoor doesn't have Windows on any of his personal machines - though he probably does now need it
11:02<TCW>EmleyMoor, why that?
11:02<deviant>culprit->guilty XD
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11:03<EmleyMoor>TCW: To maintain my mobile phone properly
11:03<TCW>deviant, btw. I am still waiting for the last paste. The one of /boot/grub/menu.lst :)
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11:03<EmleyMoor>TCW: I've seen it
11:03<TCW>EmleyMoor, EPARSE, you just have the wrong phone :p
11:03<EmleyMoor>TCW: Quite possibly, but that's because there is no right one
11:04<TCW>EmleyMoor, too true :/
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11:04<TCW>deviant, see line 140 and following
11:04<EmleyMoor>David has a Windows box but it is a bit problematic for me to use
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11:06<TCW>deviant, as root (VERY dangerous, do it EXACTLY as written here!): dd if=/dev/sda1 count=2|hd
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11:07<TCW>deviant, in line 140 and following you see why Debian did add two Windows in your boot manager (grub is the bootmanager btw)
11:07<TCW>deviant, may I see the paste? The last comand with dd...
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11:07<TCW>command even
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11:10<TCW>deviant, funny... looks like a ntfs volume too... lets try and mount it, as root: mkdir /mnt/sda1; mount -t ntfs /dev/sda1 /mnt/sda1; ls -l /mnt/sda1
11:10<deviant>a question
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11:10<deviant>can i copy and paste this command line entirely?
11:11<TCW>deviant, yes
11:11<deviant>with the ;
11:11<deviant>oh ok
11:11<TCW>deviant, either run the commands one by one, or separated with ";" in one line, as said ";" is a command separator there
11:12<TCW>deviant, paste? :)
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11:12<TCW>Bitlocker stuff?!
11:12<TCW>deviant, you know what bitlocker is?
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11:13<TCW>deviant, soe sort of Vista disk encryption tool
11:13<TCW>some sort even
11:14<deviant>maybe because at the beginning this pc mounted vista..
11:14<EmleyMoor>Left over Vista install?
11:14<TCW>deviant, so I guess sda1 is just the remains of Windows Vista
11:14<deviant>uhm.. but when i've formatted for XinXP i've formatted all...
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11:14<deviant>how can it be oO
11:14<TCW>deviant, obviously you did not :)
11:15<deviant>damn -_-
11:15<TCW>in other words... maybe Microsoft did fool you there :)
11:16<deviant>so what can i do?
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11:16<TCW>deviant, that depends
11:17<TCW>deviant, you have the XP CD still there?
11:17<deviant>yesterday i've tried to use it...
11:17<deviant>for take a restore
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11:18<deviant>but i've got a very bad bluescreen
11:18<simonrvn>!tell deviant -about enter
11:18<TCW>deviant, what did it tell?
11:19<deviant>don't remember
11:19<TCW>deviant, neyt time write it down :)
11:19<TCW>next even
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11:20<TCW>deviant, basically it seems your Windows XP boot mechanism is splited over sda1 and sda3
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11:20<TCW>I *guess* that is a situation the Debian installer does not work well with :)
11:21<deviant>if i use the cd it starts normally, reading the cd, then i've got a black screen and finally a bluescreen.. ah install XP on this pc isn't easy cause XP does'nt read SATA without right drivers on the cd
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11:22<TCW>deviant, unfortunatly I am not familiar with the Vista bootloader and I do not have a machine running vista here. As I do not see boot.ini on sda1 I think with Vista the Windows bootmanager works different
11:23<TCW>deviant, in other words... try to find a guy or a ressource on the net about the Vista bootloader to fill the gaps :)
11:23<deviant>uhm, there is the possibility that my copy of XP are still using the bootmanager of Vista?
11:23<TCW>deviant, positive
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11:25<TCW>deviant, as you see sda1 holds vista stuff. see the output of fdisk -l especually the "*" in fron of sda1. It means sda1 is bootable, basically the drive where windows would start booting from
11:25<TCW>that may strongly indicate... the Vista bootloader is used :)
11:25<simonrvn>been marked bootable. means nothing for linux.
11:26<TCW>simonrvn, right... but for Windows it does
11:26<TCW>simonrvn, and there are some BIOSes which refuse to boot from anything that does not have the bootable flag
11:27<deviant>can i flag bootable two partitions?
11:27<simonrvn>i thought those days were over
11:27<TCW>deviant, no
11:27<deviant>maybe a stupid question but i try
11:28<TCW>simonrvn, haven't seen such broken hardware in years, but I only wanted to say the bootable flag had and may still have an impact :)
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11:29<TCW>deviant, I would try to get rid of the Vista stuff completeley... btw. as of now even the windows Vista bootloader is not complete anymore, as you did install grub ind the master boot record of your hardrive (sda)
11:29<TCW>deviant, how big is sda1 btw.? df -h will tell you
11:30<danielcrakk>do you spick spanish?
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11:30<deviant>/dev/sda1 5,9G 5,9G 2,1M 100% /mnt/sda1
11:31<TCW>deviant, holy crap :)
11:31<deviant>what i've done T___T
11:31<TCW>deviant, you? nothing
11:31<EmleyMoor>Nearly 6 gigs there you could recover for better use
11:31<TCW>deviant, I just see there are almost 6GB of precious harddisk space wasted :)
11:32<Hydroxide>6GB is small for vista... :P
11:32<deviant>how can i use it?
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11:32<TCW>deviant, depends
11:32<deviant>i mean, that is the partition with the vista stuff, right?
11:32<TCW>deviant, it all depends on how you want to proceed from here
11:32<TCW>deviant, right
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11:33<deviant>there isn't the possibility that if i format that partition i can boot my XP
11:33<TCW>deviant, I guess a complete Windows reinstall is not your first choice? :)
11:34<TCW>deviant, not yet, no... just removing a partition does not magically heal your XP install
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11:34<deviant>sorry, i'm a bad explainer..
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11:35<TCW>deviant, we add that to your faults :)
11:35<deviant>i mean, i'm trying to use my logic.. maybe my XP doesn't boot because it try to read the bootloader in the Vista partition that is corrupted...
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11:36<TCW>deviant, most likely it is the other way around... btw. you did try to boot both windows entries in grub?
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11:37<TCW>deviant, different error messages?
11:37<TCW>deviant, boot both, write down the error messages and come back then
11:38<TCW>deviant, and as you write down the messages, rather write too much than too less :)
11:38<deviant>if i try to boot the Windows NT/2000/XP i've got for a few second the "Acer Recovery" grey bar, like it try to make a recovery, than i've got the Windows logo and the loading bar.. then comes the bluescreen
11:39<TCW>deviant, details may be very important here
11:39<deviant>if i try to boot the Windows XP Professional entry i've got a bluescreen in a few second
11:39<deviant>i reboot and report the errors...
11:39<TCW>deviant, do you have a digital camera?
11:40<TCW>deviant, maybe you can make a photo of the error messages and upload them later for us to see
11:40<deviant>okkei, no problem
11:40<deviant>se u later
11:40<TCW>deviant, make sure the text on the photos is _readable_
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11:46<locklace>!es-social danielcrakk
11:46<dpkg>danielcrakk: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador por favor ingresa al canal social de #debian-es con /join #debian-es-cachondeo. Tus amigos probablemente ya esten ahi.
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11:48<danielcrakk>alguien me ayuda?
11:49<danielcrakk>ha crear un serve
11:49<danielcrakk>no se :D
11:49<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat
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11:55<eightyeight>so, i se that icedove is 3.0 in testing, but i'm not getting it via the updates. anyone know why?
11:55<azeem_>eightyeight: pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy icedove"
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11:57<azeem_>eightyeight: and the output of "apt-get install icedove"
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12:04<eightyeight>azeem_: well, that will have to wait. i'm running through a slew of updates right now
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12:09<themill>eightyeight: from that output, it would appear that you weren't running testing at the time anyway.
12:11<eightyeight>themill: deb squeeze main non-free contrib
12:11<eightyeight>is the contents of my /etc/apt/sources.list (among others)
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12:12<themill>eightyeight: that you still have the lenny version of icedove installed would seem to indicate that you haven't really upgraded to squeeze though. Editing your sources.list doesn't magically change the entire system...
12:12<eightyeight>azeem_: it appears that going at apt-get install icedove wants to remove enigmail and upgrade icedove
12:13<eightyeight>azeem_: i guess that package has been keeping it back
12:13<eightyeight>interesting. thx
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12:13<deviant>here i am
12:14<deviant>sorry for wait
12:14<eightyeight>themill: i installed lenny from the get-go on this machine. i am aware of how my system works. :)
12:14<themill>eightyeight: hmm... alternatively, the maintainer of icedove might be on crack and uploading versions with ~lenny1 in them to unstable even though lenny had already been released.
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12:16<deviant>i'm pasting the screenshot
12:16<eightyeight>er, squeeze, no lenny. heh
12:17<eightyeight>i'm tired
12:19<deviant>TCW, it's a 1,8 mb of file, why it took so long? oO
12:19<TCW>deviant, hm?
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12:20<deviant>the screenshot of the bluescreen..
12:20<TCW>deviant, where is it?
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12:21<deviant>i'm pastin in pastezone but it's taking a long time to send..
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12:22<deviant>i'll try
12:22<TCW>deviant, or do you have such a slow internet connection?
12:23<deviant>i've got fastweb.. it's fast
12:23<TCW>deviant, just a name does not indicate anything to me :)
12:23<deviant>it's a fast connection ;)
12:23<deviant>oh here it is
12:24<deviant>this is the Windows NT/2000/XP bluescreen
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12:25<TCW>0x7b means "inaccessable boot device" iirc, that means for some reason Windows can't access the harddisk. I guess missing driver for the hdd controller
12:26<deviant>maybe the SATA drivers?
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12:26<deviant>XP is not intended for SATA drives..
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12:26<deviant>i'm uploading the other screenshot for Windows XP Professional
12:27<deviant>here it is
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12:28<azeem_>deviant: eh, what does this have to do with Debian?
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12:28<deviant>azeem_, i'm trying to dualboot winXP and debian..
12:28<dr|z3d>azeem_: The answer is, I believe, "sweet fa" :)
12:29<deviant>but XP doesn't work anymore..
12:29<deviant>debian does
12:29<dr|z3d>deviant: Bluescreens on XP have nothing to do with dualboot, per se.
12:29<TCW>azeem_, not much... he did screw his windows install while installing Debian
12:29<dr|z3d>And even less to do with Debian. :)
12:29<azeem_>deviant: then ask your Windows support for help
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12:30<TCW>deviant, to a certain degree I must agree your issue is off-topic here
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12:31<deviant>where i must go for help?
12:31<azeem_>18:29 < azeem_> deviant: then ask your Windows support for help
12:31<azeem_>we don't know
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12:31<deviant>ah.. ok
12:32<TCW>deviant, basically I think you may have a hard time finding a competent support. As most Windows guys would just blame Debian here and say the solution would be to get rid of Debian.
12:33<TCW>The facts say a different story... but facts are not of interest sometimes :)
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12:34<EmleyMoor>If anything, you might be able to use Debian to help you save what you want to some other medium - but other than that, it's looking like a "nuke and pave" job
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12:34<locklace>wow, an italian who even fails at !list
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12:35<TCW>deviant, I would not agree 100% to what EmleyMoor said... but as the "channel-policy" states, sad but true, off-topic here
12:35<azeem_>deviant: locklace wasn't talking to you
12:36<deviant>i'll try myself, thanks all for support
12:36<azeem_>TCW: you're free to continue to support deviant in a private /query
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12:36<TCW>azeem_, I know... and I do consider it right now
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12:37<deviant>TCW, if u want to support in pvt i'm happy, anyway i inderstand if you're a little bit annoyed XD
12:37<TCW>But I have a policy too... no private messages with unknown folks regarding support :)
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12:37<TCW>deviant, I am not annoyed... not yet :)
12:38<deviant>lol, i thought that i'm like a family-friend now XD
12:38<TCW>I would not count on it ;)
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12:38<deviant>lol just joking
12:38<deviant>i'll try myself, don't worry..
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12:39<TCW>Oh what the heck... wait a second
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12:41<TCW>deviant, type /query TCW
12:41<TCW>deviant, no idea what IRC client you use, but apparently it does not open a private window when one /msg you :)
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12:59<EmleyMoor>Why is ufs write support not available in Debian yet?
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13:25<owl>Buenas, alguien podría ofrecerme ayuda en cuanto la edición de los mime-types?
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13:33<owl>Hello, I know how I can edit the mime-types.
13:34<dr|z3d>owl: Edit them where?
13:35<dr|z3d>ie: for what application?
13:35<amphi>/etc/mailcap ?
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13:37<owl>Any, sorry for my delay.
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13:38<owl>amphi thanks is what I need.
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13:39<xente>does anyone know why gnome wouldn't ask to save passwords to the keyring anymore such as when connecting to a server?
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14:08<EmleyMoor>Where does the thing that mounts a USB stick when you plug it in get its default filesystem options from?
14:09<TCW>EmleyMoor, Gnome?
14:09<amphi>/etc/filesystems ?
14:10<EmleyMoor>TCW: I was thinking at a lower level
14:10<TCW>amphi, what is /etc/filesystems?
14:10<TCW>ENOENT here
14:10<EmleyMoor>Same here
14:11<locklace>a really dumb renaming of /etc/fstab done by HP-UX
14:11<amphi>IIRC, mount looks at that for a list of filesystems to try when none is specified
14:11<TCW>EmleyMoor, the lower levels of a default Debian install do not automount anything when plugging in
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14:11<amphi>TCW: see man mount, "/etc/filesystems a list of filesystem types to try"
14:12<EmleyMoor>OK, Gnome then
14:12<TCW>amphi, filesystem options != filesystem types, EmleyMoor asked for options
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14:12<amphi>TCW: oops, I misread
14:12<TCW>I guess he means options like ro, rw, uid, users, whatever
14:14<TCW>but for the fs types mount tries, iirc it sees in /proc/filesystems for supported filesystems
14:14<amphi>unless it uses pmount, in which case it may just use its defaults, ie. "async,atime,nodev,noexec,noauto,nosuid,user,rw"
14:14<EmleyMoor>TCW: You've got the idea - specifically iocharset for fat
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14:15<TCW>EmleyMoor, right click on the device on your desktop, check the properties
14:17<TCW>or on the device in nautilus' "computer view"
14:17<TCW>I don't have a normal USB drive here to test, but in one of the places what you want is set-able
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14:20<EmleyMoor>Damn - now it's giving "invalid mount option"...
14:20<EmleyMoor>Damn - now it's giving "invalid mount option"...
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14:20<TCW>EmleyMoor, but you did find the right place to specify the options?
14:20<EmleyMoor>Yes, but for the same volume it is no longer reachable
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14:21<EmleyMoor>That volume will no longer mount, therefore no longer appears on the desktop to have its properties accessed
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14:24<TCW>EmleyMoor, oops... I think you need to search for the options you did set in gconf and remove them there
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14:25<EmleyMoor>Having trouble finding that
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14:38<EmleyMoor>Sorted - though it wasn't easy
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14:40<EmleyMoor>I will live with the possible consequences of utf8 on vfat rather than mess about with it
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15:07<TCW>EmleyMoor, found the stuff in gconf?
15:07<EmleyMoor>Found, yes. Able to fix, no - other than by deleting it altogether, which wolked
15:08<TCW>EmleyMoor, whyt did you specify there?
15:08<TCW>what even
15:08<fossiiil>how can i change my MAC address ?
15:08<TCW>fossiiil, why do you want to do that?
15:08<fossiiil>just test something
15:08<fossiiil>gattuso: thanks
15:09<EmleyMoor>TCW: I took the options as they appeared but tried to change iocharset from utf8 to iso8859-1
15:09<gattuso>TCW: google trace the mac address now
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15:09<TCW>gattuso, huh? How?
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15:10<gattuso>i think by browser
15:10<thesunisblack>i saw a kid outside my house sitting in a car with a little netbook in his hands then i saw this backtrack dragon boot up picture i fucking rushed to his car and beat him up so hard that he was hospitalized for 4 weeks
15:10<gattuso>i view it in a mailing list
15:11<gattuso>if you want i can ask info
15:11<thesunisblack>true story
15:11<craigevil>EmleyMoor: might take a look at
15:13<thesunisblack>deb cvs hacked rumors says
15:13<gattuso>i randomize MAC every startup
15:14<fossiiil>must bring the iface down
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15:14<metrahla>can ndiswrapper install a windows driver into linux ? in my situation its a 3d video card id like to install ... ?
15:14<metrahla>* 3d video card driver
15:15<gattuso>i think not...
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15:15<metrahla>maybe only for the wireless drivers?
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15:15<gattuso>ndiswrapper is for wifi
15:15<metrahla>oh.. im curious about one for a 3d card :S
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15:15<TCW>gattuso, ohhh... talking about the MAC address of the WLAN accesspoint... I already knew that and I had a fairly emotional discussion about that in a german debian channel last week or so :)
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15:16<TCW>metrahla, what video chip is it? And ndiswrapper is for ndis-stuff, basically network drivers
15:17<TCW> - Network Driver Interface Specification
15:17<metrahla>its an ati radeon 7000 m6 ly , rv100 and light edition ( its got all those names) .. its actualy well supported by the opensource drivers
15:17<TCW>err.... :)
15:18<metrahla>i changed for debian because its lighter .. and could bring me more perfomances with that open source driver
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15:19<TCW>metrahla, and why do you even consider asking for windows drivers using with that card?
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15:20<metrahla>TCW, because the open source driver is good ? .. well i dunno.. if i could install an ATI driver.. id like to try
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15:22<metrahla>TCW, oh... i dunno.. id try anything.. to just to check if could get a better frame rate :S
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15:27<metrahla>ok, ty
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15:31<TCW>metrahla, the ati driver (namely fglrx) just sucks, stick with the open drivers
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15:33<metrahla>TCW, ok, ill probably follow your suggestion !
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15:34<TCW> seems to be fairly ozdated
15:34<TCW>outdated even
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15:39<debacle>Hi all, can anyone help me with pppoe ? When my ppp connection goes down pppoe do not reconnect. and i get the error "Timeout waiting for PADO packets"
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15:40<metrahla>TCW, im so incredibly surpriesed.. is it possible that while i was using ubuntu that there was no possbile way to find a driver from ATI for my card.. and that with debian .. there migth actualy be a firmware driver? fglrx ( its just that ive been searching for this for ages)
15:41<debacle>i also like to know if is better to use the persist or the nopersist value in dsl-provider (pppoe configuration file)
15:42<metrahla>so.. ATI programs a driver for debian, and not for ubuntu ... :S
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15:43<Lanz>Anyone having a ton of segmentation faults with a fully up-to-date install of Debian unstable?
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15:43<Lanz>A batch of updates I did last night hosed one of my systems
15:43<Lanz>Everything I do spams segfault errors
15:43<Lanz>X won't even start
15:43<Lanz>Dpkg segfaults too
15:43<dpkg>Lanz: I don't know, could you explain it?
15:44<Lanz>There isn't really anything to explain
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15:44<Lanz>Just nearly every program spontaneously segfaults
15:44<Lanz>After a round of updates last night
15:45<Lanz>Dpkg gives this error upon any attempted installs:
15:45<dpkg>Lanz: are you smoking crack?
15:45<Lanz>dpkg: parse error, in file '/var/lib/dpkg/available' near line 26575 package 'libxtst6': `Depends' field, syntax error after reference to package `x1'
15:45<dpkg>Lanz: You are person #1 to send an unparseable request
15:46<Lanz>I dunno what to do to fix it
15:46<Lanz>My dmesg is full of segfaults
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15:47<Lanz>Here's a copy of dmesg:
15:47<Lanz>Never had such a problem before
15:48<Lanz>Any ideas?
15:49<metrahla>TCW, well of course the purpose is a good frame rate, if the opensource driver gets more score.. ill use that one
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15:53<old>Lanz: I had similar problems after upgrading kernel. I've compiled one myself from linux-sources-2.6.33 and problem was gone.
15:54<old>Lanz: I think the kernel that was not working for me was 2.6.32...
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15:55<Lanz>Thank you old
15:55<Lanz>I'll try a different kernel
15:55<Lanz>Such a nasty error haha
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15:56<Lanz>I was worried I might have to reinstall the whole system
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15:57<old>Lanz: I'd first check if there was a kernel update in a recent batch of upgrades. Search APT's log or ...
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15:58<TCW>metrahla, no idea about ubuntu, but a working open / free driver for your chip is available since ages. And the framerate thing--- maybe fglrx does get a better framrate here and there, but it its stability sucks and the failures users report with it... it is just not worth the trouble
15:59<old>Lanz: You can also try to boot with an older kernel which is probably untouched by an upgrade.
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15:59<Lanz>I only have 2.6.32-4 on there
15:59<Lanz>And I can't get anything to install from apt because of that error
16:00<TCW>metrahla, in general you have such an old chip / card, a better one costs only a few bucks / euros and doubles the performance multiple times regardless of the driver used
16:01<Lanz>Any idea how to fix that error about libxtst6?
16:02<old>Lanz: If it's your only kernel you probably got it much earlier, but maybe in older revision.
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16:05<Lanz>Found thee solution, old
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16:05<Lanz>Run this command: apt-cache dumpavail > /var/lib/dpkg/available && dpkg --update-avail /var/lib/dpkg/available
16:05<Lanz>That fixes apt
16:05<Lanz>Getting a new kernel now!
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16:09<old>Lanz: Well, I think you could've just wget it...
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16:10<Lanz>My computer now works perfectly again
16:10<Lanz>I owe ya one, old
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16:13<old>Lanz: No problem. I was thinking why it took so short. I forgot about packaged kernels. :P
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16:14<Lanz>Haha yeah lol
16:14<Lanz>I didn't wanna recompile one
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16:14<Lanz>The stock ones work 99.9% of the time
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16:23<CQ>how do you backup a running database (mysql and postgres) debian server? rsync it to another one excluding /proc? or is there a better way?
16:23<murisfurder>there's a better way
16:23<murisfurder>use master - slave replication
16:24<CQ>murisfurder: glad to hear it ...
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16:24<CQ>murisfurder: that's at the DB level though, what about the rest of the system?
16:25<CQ>I have another system (mailserver) with no dbs that I want to backup while running as well...
16:25<murisfurder>I sense a total lack of foresight, planning and scaling
16:26<CQ>murisfurder: you sense me trying to gradually make my homeserver more and more interesting... hence the lack of plan initially. The DB server and Mailserver are both VMs, I could just shut tehm down and copy them, but I'm looking for more interesting solutions
16:27<murisfurder>oh, well what about lvm
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16:28<murisfurder>lvm snapshots are brilliant
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16:28<CQ>I'm running lvm ... I have a home partition on one lv, and a data partition on another lv ...
16:28<murisfurder>what virtualization system you using
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16:29<CQ>vbox ... would you lvm snapshot the drive with the vms on it, or do lvm snapshotting inside the vms themselves?
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16:30<murisfurder>th snapshot the drive with the vms on it
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16:31<CQ>murisfurder: that sounds like the most interesting solution so far ...
16:32<murisfurder>it's what i would do
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16:35<CQ>murisfurder: ok, I'm convinced. so I'll backup the DB and the data from the mailserver normally, and then lvm snapshot the drive with the VMs on it every few weeks or so.
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17:26<babbage>When I open windows now, they're immediately maximised (I'm running testing). How can I figure out what's going on, or fix it?
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17:27<babbage>I can right-click on the entry in the bottom panel and select "unmaximise". But that's a pain in the behind.
17:28<cahoot>babbage: some setting in gconf-editor?
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17:34<TCW>babbage, _all_ apps start maximized?
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17:37<niktaris>what package provides those extra folder like music, downloads etc in the /home/user/ folder ?
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17:37<abrotman>niktaris: which distro did you use before that did that?
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17:38<babbage>TCW, almost all. Some dialog boxes and other apps that you *couldn't* maximime, don't.
17:38<babbage>cahoot, I couldn't see anything relelvant
17:38<niktaris>abrotman, kubuntu ...
17:39<abrotman>niktaris: presumably the kde package then ?
17:39<abrotman>i mean .. you oculd just make them yourself
17:39<themill>no package is going to create things in $HOME though. When you run some application or other it might decide it wants somewhere to dump its crap though
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17:40<niktaris>abrotman, no need if that if it's already done :-)
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17:40<TCW>abrotman, niktaris, iirc there was a fdo related package that creates those user-folders
17:40<niktaris>fdo ?
17:41<themill>I can imagine a kde first-login wizard might...
17:41<abrotman> probably
17:42<TCW>niktaris, stuff
17:43<TCW>I just can't remember the package name / binary name and don't find it with apt-cache anymore
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17:44<niktaris>TCW, maybe xdg-user-dirs
17:44<KaiSVK>hi all, what would I need to get support for iphone like in ubuntu is - I just need to be able to put songs in it
17:44<KaiSVK>I have debian testing installed
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17:45<TCW>niktaris, _exactly_
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17:47<niktaris>TCW, thanks
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17:49<TCW>Description: tool to manage well known user directories xdg-user-dirs is a tool to help manage "well known" user directories like the desktop folder and the music folder. <<- themill, so much about "no package is going to create things in $HOME" ;) but we could split hairs here, as many apps create (config-)files and folders in $HOME when started :)
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17:55<niktaris>does mozplugger still work OK. Haven't used if for a while...
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17:55<Inase_Moriyaku>anyone here?
17:56<abrotman>lots of people
17:56<Scynix>That's a silly question.
17:56<Inase_Moriyaku>ok. I'll get to the point. I have a plugin that I need to remove from rhythmbox, and I'm not sure of how to remove it from the system.
17:56<Inase_Moriyaku>sorry for asking, but the last place I went to I couldn't get a solitary word out of anyone.
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17:57<abrotman>where did you ask before?
17:58<Inase_Moriyaku>it was a Rhythmbox Equalizer. I'm looking for one that has some presets, similar to what I've seen in Songbird/Winamp. I'm trying to remove it, but not having a lot of work
17:58<Inase_Moriyaku>the Ubuntu channel on Freenode
17:58<abrotman>if oyu're using ubuntu, this is channel is not for you
17:58<abrotman>unless you want to install debian
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17:59<Inase_Moriyaku>I thought where it was an offshoot. If anything, it's just a command in a Terminal
17:59<Scynix>Plus, if the plugin is rhythmbox specific, you'd need help with rhythmbox, not Debian.
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17:59<abrotman>Inase_Moriyaku: Please go to #ubuntu on
18:00<Inase_Moriyaku>I'm there. I'm not getting an answer.
18:00<abrotman>then be patient, you're offtopic in this channel
18:00<Inase_Moriyaku>ok, but one last thing: is there a channel like this for gnome related issues?
18:00<abrotman>Inase_Moriyaku: maybe on
18:00<Scynix>I'd probably suggest finding a rhythmbox support channel or forum.
18:00<Inase_Moriyaku>perfect. thanks.
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18:19<themill>TCW: no *package* is going to create things in $HOME. It can provide you with tools to create things in $HOME, but no package ships anything in /home at all and no maintainer script will touch anything in /home.
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18:25<babbage>What. The. Fuck? Well I found the solution. sudo dpkg --purge maximus; killall maximus
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18:36<TCW>themill, ok... agreed :)
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19:14<Scynix>This will sound very stupid and I apologize, but what is the NAME of the scripting language Debian uses by default?
19:14<abrotman>for what? there isn't *one*
19:14<matth>stupid answer, it depends
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19:16<Scynix>Basically, I want to write a script that will restart the system in 10 minutes from when I start it if I don't turn the script "off" before then. What language are the files the startup scripts written in? Is it just called shell?
19:16<locklace>Scynix: bourne shell,
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19:17<Scynix>Thank you locklace.
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19:31<ComradeHaz`>Evening all. What sort of CPU power do you reckon samba would grab when files are being copied to the machine it's running on given that machine is running LVM on a software RAID5?
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19:32<ComradeHaz`>(so you can give your guestimates in % it's a 2Ghz machine)
19:32<abrotman>not a lot ?
19:32<ComradeHaz`>The reason I as is because it's using most of those 2 giggly hurtz :)
19:32<ComradeHaz`>That would have been my guess abrotman :D
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19:33<ComradeHaz`>and indeed is why I am a bit sad :D
19:34<abrotman>ComradeHaz`: is one of the RAID5 drives faulty ?
19:34<abrotman>huh ?
19:34<ComradeHaz`>'/usr/sbin/smbd -D' is the process it attributes it all to
19:34*abrotman wonders if he missed a few things ?
19:34<ComradeHaz`>nope abrotman, all nice and healthy
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19:36<ComradeHaz`>hmm, it calms down to a steady 15% ish while writing at 40MB/s
19:36<ComradeHaz`>but sometimes while writing at the same rate will be using 90+
19:37<ComradeHaz`>that's just what I'm observing tonight, anyway.
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19:37<ComradeHaz`>oh well, will look into it when I have time one day then - thanks.
19:37<ComradeHaz`>Bed time now.
19:39<abrotman>ComradeHaz`: might want to start poking through the BTS
19:40<dpkg>Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try or . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges
19:40<ComradeHaz`>Oh, yeah, well, been doing a bit of googlage
19:40<ComradeHaz`>plenty about sustained stuff and hangs - mostly pertaining to printers, but not using printers and as I say, this is load dpendant
19:41<ComradeHaz`>but aye, will try to track it down
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19:49<Scynix>locklace: Is there a way I can verify if a given installed language, like perl or ruby, has the necessary permission to pass a command to shut down the system? I'm still fuzzy on the logistics involved in running commands from anywhere in the system. I would assume the interpreter itself needs the permission, but assumptions made me wipe out my vista boot.
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19:55<dondelelcaro>Scynix: no, the user who is running that process needs the permissions
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20:02<xA4Hx>hello i have a question for someone who knows tcpdump and smoothwall
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20:24<bremner>smoothwall isn't in debian is it?
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20:27<dpkg>SmoothWall Express (formerly SmoothWall GPL) is the freely distributable version of SmoothWall, a Linux distribution providing a firewall configurable via a web browser. Neither it nor the commerical SmoothWall products are supported in #debian. #smoothwall on See also <ipcop>.
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20:31<dpkg>hello, d3co
20:32<d3co>I need format mi usb! please can you give to me the command?
20:32<dr|z3d>man format
20:32<d3co>the file system I think is ...
20:32<d3co>only format !!
20:33<dr|z3d>Actually, you're probably better advised to use gparted.
20:34<d3co>I did, but I think that is not the command
20:37<d3co>what about dosfstools?
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20:51<d3co>yes the dosfstools
20:51<d3co>I work for me now
20:51<dpkg>methinks cya is Cover Your Ass, or l33tspeak for "see you"
20:51<dpkg>Cya, d3co
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20:56<abrotman>that hurt
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21:03<deus>Hey, is there anyway to switch nouveau and the closed source nvidia driver when I start x
21:03<abrotman>you can specify which conf file you use .. tha tmight work ?
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21:04<deus>What do you mean whitch conf file?
21:05<TCW>deus, /etc/X11/xorg.conf
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21:06<deus>I'll try it
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21:06<TCW>but I think due to the diversion the nvidia-glx does, nouveau may not work while nvidia is installed.
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21:08<deus>Great it sounds like I can make a script that rmmods and modprobes the correct modules when I start x and switch xorgs.
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21:09<TCW>deus, of course
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21:17<streuner_>TCW: still awake? :-)
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22:21<mr_b0b>Can anyone recommend a really light weight audio player for use on an older laptop. I have tried audacious (lenny stable) but it seems a bit buggy at times (a bit of lag when moving windows, play list never seems to release focus correctly etc) I have used xmm on Damn Small Linux and am pleased with this, however using apt-get to install it did not seem work
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22:25<mr_b0b>or atleast xmms doesn't have a gui that i can see. maybe im just too much of a n00b
22:27<abrotman>xmms is dead upstream
22:27<abrotman>does it have to be GUI ?
22:27<abrotman>there are lots of console mp3 players
22:28<mr_b0b>recommendations for ease of use?
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22:28<abrotman>uhm .. i haven't used one in awhile
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22:29<mr_b0b>are there any GUI'd players that have a CLI?
22:29<abrotman>mp3blaster seems interesting ?
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22:32<mr_b0b>looks good for local and networked files
22:33<mr_b0b>can it support web streams do you know?
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22:41<dark>Will debian use upstart?
22:42<abrotman>debian already uses a different system
22:42<dark>and there is no benefit seem in upstart?
22:42<abrotman>though upstart is in Debian ...
22:42<abrotman>dark: english ?
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22:43<dark>abrotman, hi? (was my message malformed?)
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22:43<dark>hmm so I could use upstart in squeeze right now? or would it broke the system?
22:43<abrotman>no, it just wasn't english
22:43<abrotman>dark: last time i tried to use upstart, the system didn't boot
22:44<abrotman>use it at your own risk, have fun!
22:44<dark>ah. "and does not debian developers find benefits in switching to upstart"?
22:44<devin>looking to install kde-desktop in debian squeeze, but its no where to be found?
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22:44<abrotman>!tell devin about install kde
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22:47<dark>"I thought Upstart was on the list for release in Sqeeze. Has this changed?", on debian-devel
22:47<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
22:48<abrotman>i already told you, there is another system in place that does the same thing as upstart, use upstart if you want but most people don't
22:48<abrotman>judd: info insserv --release squeeze
22:48<judd>insserv (misc, optional): Tool to organize boot sequence using LSB init.d script dependencies. Version: 1.12.0-14; Size: 65.9k; Installed: 288k; Homepage:
22:49<dark>abrotman, I am trying to talk in English. Also, since people were talking about upstart in the mailing list, pointing to etc, I was asking for the current status
22:49<abrotman>and i told you ... twice
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22:50<future>what's this ???
22:50<future>where are you form
22:51<abrotman>future: this is a support channel
22:51<future>ok thank you
22:51<BiggBang>If forgot how identifying me ? By my password
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22:51<abrotman>BiggBang: /msg nickserv help ?
22:52<dpkg>from memory, insserv is a dependency-based <init> system that is compatible with <sysvinit> and is the default from squeeze onwards. See also <upstart>. To use insserv, your init scripts need to have tags at the top of them that describe what they depend on to permit the correct ordering of the init scripts (see <missing lsb tags>).
22:52<dpkg>well, upstart is an event-based replacement for the /sbin/init daemon which handles starting of tasks and services during boot, stopping them during shutdown and supervising them while the system is running. See also
22:53<dark>"It is still on the wishlist, but the needed pieces are not ready, so it seem unlikely to happen this late in the release process. At the moment, I believe it will happen shortly after Squeeze is released, if the needed pieces are ready by then."
22:53<dark>about upstart
22:53<abrotman>i just showed you .. why don't you believe me?
22:53<dark>ok. :)
22:53<dark>"Upstart doesn't work on any kernels other than Linux." seems like a reason
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22:55<dark>(but I was wondering if porting upstart wouldn't be better)
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22:56<abrotman>then you do it
22:56<dark>no, just wondering, I didn't meant to be offensive to you
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22:56<abrotman>i think if it were practical, someone would have done it already
22:56<abrotman>the fact that another system was chosen means that upstart fails one or more of their needs
22:58<dark>yes, but people still are discussing about using upstart after squeeze
22:59<abrotman>okay, so help them fix it
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23:00<abrotman>i don't see why you care which parallel boot system they use
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23:01<BiggBang>abrotman, ... It is done :)
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23:02<BiggBang>What is "knoppix-autoconfig.tasks" ?
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23:02<abrotman>BiggBang: ask #knoppix on .. Knoppix is not supported here
23:03<BiggBang>ty :)
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23:04<dark>abrotman, i would like to see some convergence there, just because i like code sharing
23:04<Varanger>is it the same IRC room than ?
23:04<dark>Varanger, no
23:04<dark>372 people here, 911 people on freenode
23:07<Varanger>under aptitude search foo, i means installed, i A means installed automatically but ii ??
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23:09<Appl6>Varanger: I'm not sure, but if I had to guess it would mean that the package is installed and you are attempting to reinstall it.
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23:25<dpkg>Linux kernel versions, linux-next: next-20100507, mainline 2.6: 2.6.34-rc7, snapshot 2.6: 2.6.34-rc6-git6, stable 2.6.33: , stable 2.6.32: , stable 2.6.31: , stable 2.6.30: , stable 2.6.27: , stable 2.4.37:
23:26<Varanger>is there any dpkg command to get compile the kernel the debian way?
23:26<dpkg>[kernel-package] To compile a kernel The Debian Way(tm) "aptitude install kernel-package build-essential libncurses5-dev" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz. You should also ask me about <make-kpkg>, <kp mantra> and <kernel build-deps>.
23:27<Varanger>simonrvn: thank you!
23:28<Varanger>I will, I need to make the kernel simpler and get KMS enabled in testing
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23:29<simonrvn>not that hard actually. actually udev and the kernel did some of the work for me.
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23:40<Varanger>simonrvn: udev?
23:40<dpkg>[udev] /dev/ and hotplug management daemon. Linux 2.6's userspace equivalent of <DevFS>, dependent upon a Linux kernel >= 2.6.15 (>= 2.6.27 for Squeeze). Ask me about <70>, <udev squeeze>, <udev rules>, <udev details>, <.dev>.
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23:40<simonrvn>yes, it had modprobed a module i didn't know existed.
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23:41<Varanger>you mean it configures the new kernel for you?
23:42<simonrvn>no, i don't mean that.
23:42<simonrvn>i mean what i said.
23:42<Varanger>kernel abi
23:42<simonrvn>it loaded kernel module because it got a request to do so. that's hotplugging.
23:43<simonrvn>loaded a*
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23:50<solifugus>Are SE Linux and/or AppArmor options for Debian.. I don't see them in the debian security guide.. maybe I missed it somewhere?
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23:54<devin>I running, debian squeeze, with gnome,kde desktop and when I try to access my ntfs file system on kde it saying Hal.Device volume. permissions denied, but im able to access it over on gnome?
23:58<devin>ok resolved the issue with ntfs-config
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