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00:30<OddTod>Hey guys I want to start getting away from dual booting debian and windows but there are certain things that still just run better in windows So i'm trying to get as far away from windows as posible by running an instance of VMware with windows instead of dual booting. If I were to run a graphically light version of debian would a vmware version of windows run WOW well?
00:32<Varanger>WoW = World of Warcraft ??
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00:35<OddTod>wow = world of warcraft
00:36<Varanger>forget it
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00:36<Varanger>you could use wine or cedega, under vmware IMPOSSIBLE
00:36<OddTod>yeah under wine there are issues with it crashing still
00:37<Varanger>have you tried Cedega?
00:37<OddTod>No i have never heard of cedega
00:37<OddTod>I will have to check it out and see if it will do what i want.
00:37<Varanger>I think there is somewhere on the net the manual to build Cedega from the sources
00:37<dpkg>methinks cedega is the new name for Transgaming's WineX - a proprietary fork of WINE designed to play Windows games. Limited CVS available at but missing key components such as copy protection or installshield functionality. The packaging saga is summarised at
00:38<Varanger>The problem is that you have to pay a fee if you want the binaries, the sources are free though
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00:42<OddTod>hmmm i don't mind paying for things. I think people deserve money for their work.
00:42<OddTod>I will have to look into this see if its something I might be interested in.
00:43<Nemoder>OddTod: I would look at codeweavers first
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00:46<OddTod>Thank you guys for you help.
00:46<OddTod>guys and gals*
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00:58<deco>i just installed debian lenny , I can't start x , I have a radeon hd4200
00:59<deco>i tried usign "radeon" in my xorg.conf
00:59<deco>but it still won't work
00:59<Varanger>pastebin: dmesg | grep -i drm
00:59<Varanger>deco: pastebin: dmesg | grep -i drm
01:00<deco>Varanger: nothing came up
01:02<Varanger>pastebin /var/log/Xorg.0.log
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01:03<Varanger>do you know if Kopete is having problems with MSN ?
01:03<Nemoder>deco: what is your kernel version? the wiki says the kernel driver was moved to nonfree
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01:05<deco>Nemoder: 2.6.26
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01:39<And1>Hey folks, is there anything wrong with 'Cmnd_Alias FOO = /usr/sbin/invoke-rc.d $daemon'? "Sorry, user and1 is not allowed to execute '/usr/sbin/invoke-rc.d $daemon stop' as root on $hostname"... (I just replaced "/etc/init.d/" with "/usr/sbin/invoke-rc.d " in my sudoers file.)
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01:45<xpike>cant anyone help me install flash for ubuntu AMD64
01:45<jm_>!tell xpike -about ubuntu
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01:49<jm_>speaking of that, lastest version of 64bit flash plugin is absoloutely horrible
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03:19<xikc>how to compile a kernel (by .deb)+ auto include kernel-patches from /usr/src ?
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03:35<lateralus>could someone help me clarify some general computer science terminology?
03:36<dr|z3d>lateralus: Have you googled?
03:36<lateralus>yes but the definitions are so recursive it's killing me
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03:38<Appl6>lateralus: Ask, and if someone else knows the answer and wants to help, they'll chime in.
03:38<lateralus>difference between a method, a procedure, and a function
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03:40<dr|z3d>Well, a method is a non-formal way of achieving something, a procedure is a formal way of achieving something, and a function is a specifc method to achieve it. :)
03:41<dr|z3d>I'm sure there are much better definitions on offer :)
03:42<lateralus>could you define formal?
03:42<dr|z3d>formal being objectively agreed, and documented. Like a standard, if you will.
03:43<dr|z3d>So you might have a procedure to make tea..
03:43<lateralus>oh wait, i think i saw a good example of this:
03:44<dr|z3d>You'd need to follow that procedure to the letter to achieve it.. No good using, say, cold water or substituting milk for yoghurt.
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03:44<lateralus>so a method for square rooting something just defines that the square root of x is the number n where n*n=x and the procedure for square rooting would actually be an algorithm for achieving the square root?
03:45<dr|z3d>Sure, that sounds broadly correct.
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03:47<suiside>lateralus: methods are subroutines associated with a class in object oriented programming, a procedure is a subroutine in procedural programming and the term function is used quite loosely as a synonym to the two previous, but in functional programming a function is a subroutine, which given a specified input always results in the same output value, i.e. is has no side effects
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03:49<lateralus>so thats probably where my confusion has come from
03:50<suiside>yeah, you could argue that they are different names for the same thing in the context of different programming paradigms
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03:51<lateralus>so I'm having trouble understanding the definition of an object and object oriented programming, though it appears I'm perfectly capable of using objects and writing object oriented code
03:52<suiside>lateralus: whereas a class is like a blueprint for an object, an actual object is an instance of the class describing it
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03:53<lateralus>alright so, in psudo code:
03:53<lateralus>myclass() {
03:54<lateralus>myobject() { ... }
03:54<lateralus>x = myclass.myobject()
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03:55<lateralus>woa wait nvm
03:55<lateralus>x = myclass()
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03:55<lateralus>so now x is an object and myclass() defined earlier is the class
03:56<lateralus>x is an instance of myclass()?
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03:57<lateralus>just for kicks what then is myobject() inside of my class then?
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03:57<locklace>when did #debian turn into #oop-101
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03:59<suiside>lateralus: well, it could be constructor, defining how the object should be setup during creation, or it could be a singleton object, i.e. a object with only one instance private to myclass, you tell me it's your pseudo code =)
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04:00<suiside>on a larger scale an object is an programming abstraction encapsulating some attributes inside it, different instances may hold different values for those attributes, but the structure of the objects is defined by the class
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04:01<suiside>s/it could be/it could be a/
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04:01<lateralus>lol regex
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04:16<EmleyMoor>Is there an easy, right, and above all Debian way to recompile a kernel from lenny backports so as to have ufs write support?
04:17<cmot>I've got a bigger fight against cups: many of my printouts suddenly (since Ive moved the printserver from a etch/lenny machine to a squeeze set up) show faint yellow backgrounds.
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04:18<cmot>Some HP printers, some Dell printers, so it's probably not hplip.
04:18<cmot>Mostly printing from, but the same version as it worked before.
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04:18<streuner__>did you try it with another OS?
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04:19<streuner>well, mostly cups is the problem usually...
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04:19<cmot>streuner, Funnily, it's not when I print from other applications. so it's only for *some* kinds of print jobs.
04:20<cmot>streuner, I'll see if I can try from Windows with the same document.
04:20<streuner>cmot: sid?
04:20<cmot>streuner, squeeze.
04:20<streuner>ok, same case...
04:21<cmot>cups is same at squeeze/sid right now.
04:21<cmot>ghostscript and hplip too.
04:21<streuner>if you have a problem with cups in testing/unstable you can only bet ;-)
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04:21<cmot>Or beten (pray)?
04:22<cmot>tell that the paying customer :-( :-(
04:22<cmot>(and stable is no real option as most of the printers are not really supported in lenny.
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04:22<streuner>no, there is always a ppd
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04:23<streuner>if they have a driver why it shouldnt be supported then...
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04:26<cmot>streuner, some need a current hplip (HP 1505 for example. They're unfortunately not ps printers.)
04:26<streuner>cmot: cups is adobe, but i guess there are not many people who use support...
04:26<streuner>cmot: there is an easy solution - network printers
04:26<cmot>streuner, isn't cups Apple ?
04:26<streuner>cmot: ah, sorry, you are right
04:27*streuner needs more coffee
04:27<cmot>I think cofffee is a good idea at that point :-)
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04:43<Slydder>just wondering if anyone here knows of an easy (relatively speaking that is) way of converting an ncurses menu to gtk?
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04:54<jm_>Slydder: you mean your own app or something like dialog?
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05:02<crazyb0y>anyone using clamav with squeeze?
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05:02<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
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05:03<crazyb0y>there is a strange bug with clamav 0.96 and squeeze
05:03<crazyb0y>i have read about it, but no one is solve it
05:04<crazyb0y>the clamd daemon cannot bound/access the ctl file
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05:29<grzempek>hello fellows
05:29<grzempek>i have a question
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05:30<EmleyMoor>You don't need permission to ask - fire away
05:30<grzempek>is some of you using grub2 wiht splash screens ?
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05:30<grzempek>im using it on my testing
05:30<EmleyMoor>grzempek: I'm not - but are you having a problem with it? If so, please explain it
05:31<grzempek>yeah the proglem is that grub2 splash works fine until i choose position in menu on grub2
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05:32<grzempek>then i go console script information running instead of having splash image still
05:32<grzempek>of course in /etc/default/grub i goT:
05:32<EmleyMoor>grzempek: I believe that is normal
05:32<grzempek>GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet vga=791 splash"
05:33<grzempek>EmleyMoor: hows that?
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05:33<EmleyMoor>Once you've made your choice, you are out of grub's control
05:33<grzempek>it should cover all this information wit nice splash image accorging to what i have in config files
05:34<EmleyMoor>Never used the splash option to the kernel...
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05:34<grzempek>well so if i want to use splash image instead of all this data i have to use someting diferent like bootsplash or splashy again ?
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05:35<EmleyMoor>At this point I don't know - but looking into things like that may be helpful
05:36<grzempek>i was really convinced that grub2 is taking care about it
05:36<Scynix>is there a method for forcing debian to re-autodetect network interfaces? If I added a second network card, make it detect it?
05:38<locklace>detection of hotplug devices should be automatic
05:38<xikc>how to compile kernels+ inclluding+ /usr/src/kernel-patches
05:38<dr|z3d>Scynix: man ifup
05:38<dr|z3d>As I understand it, pump is deprecated.
05:39<grzempek>EmleyMoor: are you using any splash screen during statup ?
05:39<Scynix>how would I check if the card is being found at all? ifconfig doesn't s how the second adapter
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05:40<locklace>Scynix: dmesg
05:40<grzempek>on GRUB i was using splashy to have nice splash screen
05:40<grzempek>but since i got grub2 i was convinced it will provide sucha thing
05:41<grzempek>but now im not sure anymore :
05:42<grzempek>is anyone use grub2 and got splash screen during statuup here ?
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05:42<ODDity>I'm noticing in my logs right now my ssh server is trying to be brute forced or something.. auth.log is filling up with failed authentications to root.. I understand I could block these with iptables but I found them complicated to use.. any advice?
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05:44<Scynix>locklace: Thanks again, as always.
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05:44<petemc>ODDity: thats very common and to be expected if you run ssh on a standard port, usual thing to do is not allow password login, or use an app like deny hosts to scan logs and block after a few failed login attempts
05:45<locklace>iptables is the most robust way. you can arrange to block connections from a source automatically after excessive attempts with just a couple of rules
05:45<jmm>ODDity: you can try fail2ban.
05:45<petemc>'robust' ?
05:45<ODDity>deny hosts sounds like it might be hopeful - I do allow remote logins via SSH for sftp and stuff and find it very useful for admin and sharing data
05:46<ODDity>fail2ban you say?
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05:46<jmm>ODDity: yep. it's in apt.
05:46<jmm>that what people use here, at job.
05:46<ODDity>ok thanks, I'll install that now
05:47<ODDity>do I need to configure it at all or make it run at boot or anything?
05:48<ODDity>hehe.. oky. it's stopped
05:48<ODDity>I think
05:49<Scynix>locklace: What's the.. term, or method that I could look up for learning how to add the network card to the system? I can see it in dmesg, but attempting to bring up eth1 doesn't work as its an unknown interface
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05:50<locklace>Scynix: if it was properly recognised by the kernel as reported in dmesg, it should appear in the list returned by ifconfig -a
05:50<Scynix>oh, I'm silly, thank you, it's called eth2
05:50<Scynix>haha, sorry ^_^
05:52<jmm>ODDity: yea it need some setup still.
05:53<ODDity>jmm, it appears to have stopped and jailed the IP
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05:55<Appl6>TCW: locklace: Hello, I had success booting the 2.6.26 kernel I had installed several times with "acpi=off". I downloaded the backported lenny kernel 2.6.32 and installed it, and now it boots reliably without any boot parameters. Thanks very much for your help.
05:55<locklace>!congratulate Appl6
05:55<dpkg>Good show Appl6, you did it!
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05:56<dbvolio>how to make a ppoe connection?
05:56<Appl6>locklace: Ha, not yet. I'm having serious issues with the firmware for my wireless USB dongle. But I'll work on it for a few more days before I trouble you again.
05:56<locklace>!tell dbvolio about pppoe
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05:57<dbvolio>where do i put my user and password?
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05:58<dbvolio>not working
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06:14<xikc>interessting how audacious eats ~ 50% cpu and i still have 0er load
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06:19<dbvolio>how to make a pppoe connection?
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06:19<AbsintheSyringe_>dbvolio, sudo pppoeconf
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06:21<dbvolio>sudo instead of apt?
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06:23<dbvolio>the root login trough ssh is blocked
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06:23<dbvolio>how to use root commands?
06:23<dbvolio>trough ssh?
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06:23<cahoot>dbvolio: via su or sudo?
06:23<dr|z3d>dbvolio: sudo su also works.
06:23<dbvolio>i said su but command unknown?
06:24<dr|z3d>(assuming you have su and sudo installed)
06:24<dr|z3d>if not, aptitude install sudo su
06:24<dbvolio>for pppoe now
06:25<dbvolio>what configs should i do to work my pppoe connection?
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06:26<dbvolio>it will be connected all the time?
06:26<dbvolio>even after boot?
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06:27<dbvolio>what settings should i make to connect automatically?
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07:10<antidoto>when i try to install debian lenny amd64 in a computer with 2 SATA drives no hard drive is detected, can anyone point me to a solution ? thank you for your time
07:11<locklace>antidoto: have you tried a backport installer image,
07:15<antidoto>yres, and this works, i was wondering if there is a non backported solution
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07:15<locklace>the backport solution is the correct one
07:17<antidoto>i see, i least that stops my search :) , thanks a lot
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07:17<locklace>it's still "real debian", just the installer has an updated kernel so it can detect newer hardware
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07:56<inkbottle>On sid, at boot time, there is a beautiful small font (don't know how many columns, but a lot), at the same time on squeeze, the font is more as usual. Have you noticed this? What is the change that makes this difference?
07:57<cahoot>frambuffer enabled in sid?
07:57<jm_>or kms
07:57<cahoot>kms? didn't know that
07:58<inkbottle>1- framebuffer is enabled in sid
07:58<inkbottle>have to google what is kms
07:58<dpkg>[KMS] Kernel Mode Setting, where the initialization of graphical modes is performed by the Linux kernel instead of X. It is hardware dependent, introduced in Linux 2.6.29. Enabled via modprobe as of xserver-xorg-video-intel 2:2.9.1-2 and xserver-xorg-video-radeon 1:6.12.192-2. To disable, boot with the 'nomodeset' kernel command line parameter or edit /etc/modprobe.d/{i915,radeon}-kms.conf.
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08:01<inkbottle>but it is already 2.6.32 in squeez, so higher than 2.6.29 required for kms
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08:01<inkbottle>so framebuffer?
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08:02<inkbottle>and if so, how do i enable framefuffer in squeeze?
08:02<Sebastian>What is the recommended way to make sure a service doesn't get started on boot/package upgrade, making sure this persists through package upgrades?
08:02<dpkg>Framebuffer is a region of memory into which "frames" of graphical data are drawn. X is a framebuffer system, as is berlin. If you're looking for the framebuffer console, ask me about <fbcon>, or ask about <blacklist> to negate it. To disable framebuffer use at Debian installation time, supply the "fb=false" (d-i) or "video=vga16:off" (kernel) boot options.
08:02<Sebastian>Thanks for your consideration
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08:03<jm_>Sebastian: man invoke-rc.d, read about policy
08:03<jm_>also man update-rc.d to learn how to handle the boot scenario
08:04<dpkg>i heard fbcon is a graphics driver built into the kernel that accesses the video cards memory directly in a linear io, framebuffered X is just a way of using that kernel's framebuffer for graphics instead of the application itself having to know how the card works.. executive summary: it's hardware abstraction of the video, or slow, slow, slow... ask me about <fbcon resolution>
08:05<inkbottle>!fbcon resolution
08:05<dpkg>well, fbcon resolution is run "aptitude install hwinfo && hwinfo --framebuffer" as root, choose a mode from the resulting list of available modes. The mode will be named in hex, something like 0x305. Edit /boot/grub/menu.lst and find the line that starts with "# kopt=" and add "vga=0x305" (substituting your chosen mode), then run "update-grub" and reboot.
08:05<Sebastian>jm_: hrm ok, I was told that update-rc is bad
08:06<jm_>Sebastian: why would it be bad?
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08:06<Sebastian>I was told the next upgrade would put things back, and the process is started by default again
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08:08<locklace>Sebastian: yeah, it's a pain. if it has a file in /etc/default you can control it that way
08:09<Sebastian>Ok, but there is no package-agnostic way of achieving this?
08:10<jm_>that's where policy kicks in ...
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08:11<jm_>and the way to properlykill it on boot is explained in the man page
08:11<jm_>A common system administration error is ...
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08:12<Sebastian>the policy section in man invoke-rc.d is quite short
08:13<jm_>tough luck ;)
08:14<dr|z3d>Sebastian: giyf :)
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08:16<inkbottle>what if hwinfo --framebuffer gives no output?
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08:26<Sebastian>dr|z3d: funny. Google only gives me the update-rc.d method, hence my asking here.
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08:28<dr|z3d>Sebastian: I meant now that you have the new method, you might consider following _that_ up on google, since man seems less than prolix. That's all. :)
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08:38<Sebastian>dr|z3d: right, please tell me what to google for. I've been trying without luck.
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08:40<dr|z3d>!fgi Sebastian invoke-rc.d
08:40*dr|z3d winks.
08:41<Sebastian>wow. Have you actually read backlog?
08:42<dr|z3d><Sebastian> the policy section in man invoke-rc.d is quite short
08:42<dr|z3d>I assume that's the germane comment. :)
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08:44<Sebastian>Now you show me which of the top 20 hits for that search term help me answer my original question
08:44<dr|z3d>How about I don't, and you lose your sense of entitlement. Stop being arrogant. Do that in #tor :)
08:45<dr|z3d>Besides, if you use scroogle, you'll get a 100 results. :) It's not my job to tell you where the good stuff is.
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08:45<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat
08:46<Selfhispegasus>my from city is jerez de la fra.
08:46<Selfhispegasus>and you'S?
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08:47<Selfhispegasus>mmlñ;Kǹ bjjn
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08:47<Sebastian>jm_, locklace: Thanks for trying to be helpful.
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08:57<tzafrir>All of a sudden a number of programs fail at load time:
08:57<tzafrir>Inconsistency detected by ../sysdeps/x86_64/dl-machine.h: 460: elf_machine_rela_relative: Assertion `((reloc->r_info) & 0xffffffff) == 8' failed!
08:57<dr|z3d>tzafrir: updated recently? tried a reboot?
08:58<tzafrir>dr|z3d, I haven't tried a reboot yet
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08:58<tzafrir>I'd prefer to avoid that
08:58<dr|z3d>tzafrir: Did you update recently?
08:58<tzafrir>I do occasionally suspend/resume
08:58<tzafrir>dr|z3d, I suppose so. This is a squeeze system
08:58<tzafrir>searching a bit, I found
08:59<dr|z3d>Well, a reboot in that situation can often cure issues such as you're seeing. I'd try that and then let us know if you're still experiencing problems.
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09:20<dbvolio>how to make a dns server?
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09:21<dbvolio>a dynamic dns srver
09:23<dr|z3d>Try pdns-server perhaps, dbvolio.
09:23<dpkg>There are a myriad different ways to install Debian. See for a list of images. Ask me about <install guide> and <d-i> for detailed instructions. (If you've never installed Debian before, you should read the install guide.)
09:23<dr|z3d>judd versions pdns-server
09:23<judd>pdns-server -- etch: 2.9.20-8+etch1; etch-security: 2.9.20-8+etch1; etch-backports:; lenny:; lenny-backports: 2.9.22-1~bpo50+1; sid: 2.9.22-4; squeeze: 2.9.22-4
09:24<dbvolio>what are theze?
09:24<dr|z3d>!fgi dbvolio pdns-server
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09:26<dbvolio>what is the order of installing : bind and then pdns or vice-versa?
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09:28<jordanm>dbvolio: bind and pdns are two different applications but are both nameservers. You don't want to run both at the same time
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09:28<dbvolio>so what do i have to do?
09:28<dbvolio>install pdns and then?
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09:29<jordanm>dbvolio: likely read /usr/share/doc/pdns/*
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09:29<dbvolio>ok thanks
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09:32<metrahla>does anyone knows if Vmware, can go seek an OS installation files.. trougth a computer on a Local Network ?
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09:32<metrahla>maybe installing some MSdos network app :S
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09:33<dbvolio>If you use constants in your value, and these constants belong to a
09:33<dbvolio>; dynamically loaded extension (either a PHP extension or a Zend extension),
09:33<dbvolio>; you may only use these constants *after* the line that loads the extension.
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09:34<dbvolio>how should i enable zend-extensions
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09:36<noflash>!vmware support
09:36<dpkg>it has been said that vmware support is not offered here; go to or join #vmware on
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09:42<themill>!es-social usuario
09:42<dpkg>usuario: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador por favor ingresa al canal social de #debian-es con /join #debian-es-cachondeo. Tus amigos probablemente ya esten ahi.
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09:48<mercutio22>weird.. I can't get google earth to render the planet. No errors when launched. I have direct rendering enabled.
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09:51<OdyX>oh.. mercutio22: you didn't get the memo ? The earth disappeared: we are all emigrating to Mars.
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09:53<steffen>yeah, use instead
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10:00<Torsten_W>mercutio22, do we know your graphics hardware?
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10:00<mercutio22>Torsten_W: yes, Its an nVidia card
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10:00<Torsten_W>mercutio22, nvidia-glx-ia32 is installed?
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10:00<mercutio22>Torsten_W: lemme check.
10:00<dbvolio>pdns-backend is separated of pdns?
10:01<dbvolio>or it's in the same package?
10:03<mercutio22>Torsten_W: it wasn't. Lets see if that does it.
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10:06<aiux>!tell dbvolio -about search
10:07<dbvolio>what search?
10:07<dbvolio>the bot?
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10:10<mercutio22>Torsten_W: You nailed it
10:10<mercutio22>Torsten_W: thanks a bunch
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10:13<edbian>I'm using synaptic to look at the repos. Does a versionNumber~bpo50+1 mean that package is in the backports?
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10:14<jordanm>edbian: yes
10:14<themill>edbian: usually, yes. (You could always make your own packages with that version string too)
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10:16<edbian>I have libempathy23 available from the backports (version 2.6.2) but I can't install it because it depends on other packages (namely libempathy-common version 2.26) What is the point of the backports repos if there are still dependencies unmet?
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10:19<jordanm>,versions libempathy-common
10:19<judd>libempathy-common -- lenny: 0.23.3-3; lenny-backports: 2.26.2-1~bpo50+1; sid: 2.28.2-3; squeeze: 2.28.2-3
10:19<jordanm>edbian: that version is available, most likely it has not been backported to all arches yet
10:20<jordanm>,versions libempathy-common --arch amd64
10:20<judd>libempathy-common -- lenny: 0.23.3-3; lenny-backports: 2.26.2-1~bpo50+1; sid: 2.28.2-3; squeeze: 2.28.2-3
10:20<jordanm>,versions libempathy-common --arch armel
10:20<judd>libempathy-common -- lenny: 0.23.3-3; lenny-backports: 2.26.2-1~bpo50+1; sid: 2.28.2-3; squeeze: 2.28.2-3
10:20<jordanm>edbian: that doesn't appear to be the case here however
10:20<themill>,archs libempathy-common --release lenny-backports
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10:20<judd>libempathy-common in lenny-backports: all (2.26.2-1~bpo50+1)
10:20<themill>(it's an arch:all package anyway)
10:21<edbian>US that first one ix86 ??
10:21<edbian>Is that first...*
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10:25<edbian> is something wrong with my sources.list ?? I don't see libempathy-common 2.28 in my synaptic.
10:26<themill>why do you want that version of libempathy-common?
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10:26<edbian>I want to try the newer version of empathy to try out facebook chat.
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10:26<edbian>The newer version of empathy shows up in my synaptic but it depends on that newer version of the library. What gives?
10:27<themill>edbian: please pastebin the output of "aptitude -t lenny-backports install empathy"
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10:27<edbian>I have the older version of the library, and i have the backports loaded (I believe correctly) I had a problem similar to this before. I wanted the newer version of openoffice (version 3) and I couldn't see it in synaptic
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10:28<themill>I've not touched synaptic in years... but don't you have to right click on the package and ask for a specific version?
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10:30<edbian>themill, since I used aptitude and specified the backports repo it wants to update every package against what's available in the backports which is breaking things. I'm going to cancel. Synaptic shows the default package version available. I'm trying out right clicking right now but I always thought that only let you change it to an older version.
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10:30<themill>edbian: aptitude would not do that with the command I gave.
10:31<edbian>I'll pastebin the output hang on
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10:33<edbian>synaptic let me specify which version of the package to install (and it showed the one from the backports repo). Now I have to figure out why that version does not show up in synaptic. Perhaps I'll figure out how to install it using apt-get or aptitude instead. Just a minute while I pastebin that output
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10:36<edbian>Did anybody double check my sources.list?
10:38<jordanm>edbian: never saw them. what is the output of aptitude install -f?
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10:38<jordanm>,versions gstreamer0.10-plugins-good
10:38<judd>gstreamer0.10-plugins-good -- etch: 0.10.4-4; etch-security: 0.10.4-4+etch1; lenny: 0.10.8-4.1~lenny2; lenny-security: 0.10.8-4.1~lenny2; sid: 0.10.22-1; squeeze: 0.10.22-1
10:39<edbian>Stop showing me that the packages I want are in the repos I have selected. I'm aware of that. Tell aptitude that!
10:39<edbian>My sources:
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10:39<jordanm>edbian: I was checking for myself. lets see aptitude install -f and your sources.list
10:39<edbian>You have my sources above^
10:40<edbian>aptitude -f install wants to install a bunch of stuff and remove a bunch of other stuff. 67 new and 30 to remove. Do you want me to pastebin it? There is nothing I can see related to our problem.
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10:41<themill>edbian: "aptitude -f install" should never want to do anything
10:41<edbian>ha ha
10:41<edbian>It wants to do a lot
10:41<ODDity>you mean -t install?
10:42<jordanm>it usually means you had unresolved issues such as broken packages to start with
10:42<themill>ODDity: err... no.
10:42<edbian>I think you're right. How can I fix this? Using that command?
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10:42<edbian>ODDity, -t specifies a repo.
10:42<edbian>My apt database is a mess isn't it! :)
10:43<ml|>-f install or install -f as edbian did in his paste?
10:43<themill>edbian: you probably don't want aptitude to remove all of gnome like that on you
10:43<edbian>ml|, I selected no
10:43<edbian>ha ha, yeah gnome-core I need that huh
10:43<edbian>Why is it listed as "broken" ??
10:44<edbian>I thought broken meant "not fully installed" or un-usable
10:44<ml|>read above and what you did; unless I'm missing something
10:45<jordanm>edbian: in this case you probably removed a meta package that those packages were autoinstalled on
10:45<jordanm>edbian: try: aptitude keep-all
10:45<edbian>jordanm, I think you're right
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10:45<edbian>simply "sudo aptitude keep-all"
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10:45<jordanm>if you configured sudo to allow running aptitude, yes
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10:46<edbian>now "aptitude -f" doesn't want to do anything anymore
10:46<edbian>Thank you! That's was easy :)
10:46<edbian>Is it truly fixed yet?
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10:47<jordanm>edbian: don't know, do you still have issues installing the application?
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10:48<edbian>jordanm, I just re-tried "sudo aptitude -t lenny-backports install empathy" and It is still bad. 11 upgraded, 42 newly installed, 2 to remove, 104 not upgraded with breaking dependencies all over. Do you want a a pastebin ??
10:49<jordanm>edbian: yes
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10:49<edbian> Here
10:50<edbian>Feel free to tell me what you're thinking. I'm pretty lost on the details of the apt package manager
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10:50<themill>edbian: can you please show us "apt-cache policy; apt-cache policy gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad gstreamer0.10-plugins-good"
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10:53<edbian>Is there anything wrong with those? The priorities seem right to me.
10:53<themill>edbian: 1 is not right for bpo
10:54<edbian>themill, What should it be?
10:54<themill>the instructions page on bpo says "200"; any value 100 < P < 500 would be fine.
10:54<edbian>and how do I change it?
10:55<themill>edbian: edit /etc/apt/preferences
10:55<edbian>How was it set like that in the first place? All I did was add it to my sources.list
10:55<themill>You must have set it somehow. perhaps synaptic gives you a way of doing so.
10:55<edbian>I have no such file...
10:55<edbian>/etc/apt does not contain preferences
10:56<themill>how about /etc/apt/preferences.d ?
10:56<edbian>/etc/apt/apt.conf.d /et/apt/sources.list.d/ /etc/apt/sources.list and it isn't in any sub folders
10:56<themill>very very odd.... and you really didn't read the instructions page on very carefully, did you...
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10:57<edbian>I didn't read it at all! I have never been to that sight. I just googled "how to add backports" What if I do this? Totally remove backports from my sources.list and start again from that website
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10:58<themill>just follow the instructions now
10:58<edbian>locate preferences | grep apt /usr/share/man/es/man5/apt_preferences.5.gz; /usr/share/man/fr/man5/apt_preferences.5.gz; /usr/share/man/man5/apt_preferences.5.gz; /usr/share/man/pt_BR/man5/apt_preferences.5.gz; /usr/share/synaptic/glade/
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10:59<edbian> correct?
10:59<locklace>according to just those instructions, "All backports are deactivated by default (i.e. the packages are pinned to 1 by using NotAutomatic: yes in the Release files, just as in experimental)."
10:59<jordanm>edbian: just look at the bottom of the instruction page and add what it say to preferences
10:59<edbian>jordanm, accept I don't have that file?
10:59<jordanm>locklace: right.. even with lack of reading instructions there should not have been a priority of 1
10:59<jordanm>edbian: create it
11:00<themill>locklace: duh.. yeah. I thought it was -1 by default.
11:00<edbian>Did any of you have a look at my sources.list ever?
11:01<jordanm>yes, we saw it
11:01<themill>edbian: looks fine. Although you probably don't really want l-p-u in there at all.
11:01<edbian>can I combine lines like: deb lenny contrib deb lenny main to be something like deb lenny contribmain ???
11:02<jordanm>edbian: lines 5 and 12 could be combined, although I don't think it will cause issues otherwise
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11:02<edbian>ok thanks
11:02<edbian>I always thought it was ugly :
11:02<themill>edbian: with a space between contrib and main
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11:13<edbian>Things are not any better with that file created.
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11:16<jordanm>edbian: what does apt-cache policy show as the priority now?
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11:20<themill>edbian: precisely which client do you want to use btw. "empathy" or some other client?
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11:20<edbian>I don't care. I want facebook chat in an app
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11:21<themill>well you were trying to install "libempathy23" earlier which isn't a client.... so what were you trying to install it for?
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11:21<edbian>empathy version 2 requires libempathy23
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11:24<themill>gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad on bpo appears to be completely uninstallable which borks empathy. Perhaps try writing to the backports-users mailing list and ask if this is a known problem and if a fix is on the way.
11:24<dpkg>Questions and problems with <> packages can also be addressed to the backports-users mailing list. Subscribe: . Archives:
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11:26<edbian>How do you specify a package version number on the cli?
11:26<edbian>aptitude install package= ??
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11:37<jordanm>edbian: yes
11:38<edbian>jordanm, No matter it didn't work
11:38<edbian>Thanks though
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11:38<jordanm>edbian: I would follow through with themill
11:38<jordanm>err themill's suggestion of the backports-users list
11:38<edbian>I am
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11:41<inkbottle>I've installed nouveau-driver, from debian-sid; how then do i switch from nv to nouveau (probably not with editing xorg.conf i guess)?
11:42<edbian>inkbottle, "sudo modprobe nouveau" ?
11:42<edbian>inkbottle, does lspci -k list it as being used?
11:42<jordanm>inkbottle: anything in /usr/share/doc/nouveau-driver/*?
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11:42<Torsten_W>nouveau does not work, without the matching kernel
11:43<inkbottle>Torsten_W, really; what kern then do i need?
11:43<jordanm>,versions nouveau-driver
11:43<judd>Sorry, no package named 'nouveau-driver' was found.
11:43<Torsten_W>one, who brings the right module
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11:44<Torsten_W>xserver-xorg-video-nouveau is the package
11:44<bighornram>can I safely delete all files in /tmp?
11:44<Torsten_W>inkbottle, and nouveau is useless at the moment
11:44<jordanm>bighornram: typically, yes, but there may be a application currently running using files there
11:44<dr|z3d>judd: versions xserver-xorg-video-nouveau
11:44<judd>xserver-xorg-video-nouveau -- sid: 1:0.0.15+git20100329+7858345-3; squeeze: 1:0.0.15+git20100329+7858345-3
11:45<edbian>bighornram, It is emptied each reboot
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11:46<inkbottle>Torsten_W, think it's still useless? well...
11:46<Torsten_W>inkbottle, the abi will be changed again
11:46<bighornram>something is preventing me from burning dvd's all of a sudden.
11:46<Torsten_W>inkbottle, no 3D without mesa >= 7.9
11:47<edbian>bighornram, Only your knowledge of the operating system
11:47<inkbottle>but if i wan't just to switch between two drivers (video); what should i have to do?
11:47<edbian>bighornram, sorry :)
11:47<Torsten_W>inkbottle, you will switch between what?
11:47<bighornram>maybe that is why i came here.
11:47<inkbottle>Torsten_W, i don't either have 3d with nv
11:48<bighornram>and i am trying to figure it out
11:48<inkbottle>from nv to nouveau
11:48<Torsten_W>inkbottle, nouveau is not ready yet
11:48<ODDity>bighornram, tried k3b ?
11:49<bighornram>I have tried nero4, and brasero both failing
11:49<inkbottle>but what should be the debian way to do that? (because it's out of date editing xorg.conf)
11:50<ODDity>bighornram, try k3b
11:50<ODDity>though.. maybe if could grab some error messages
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11:53<Torsten_W>inkbottle, if you are speaking of the actual xorg, configs-snippeds are placed in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/XX-foo.conf
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11:55<ravi>hi, is there any way to recover a file which was cleared from /tmp/ on reboot
11:55<ravi>it's a zip archive
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11:55<azeem>ravi: probably not
11:55<azeem>ravi: unless you want to spend 1000+ $ on it
11:57<ravi>ordinary rm-ed files can be recovered using lsof, right?(just asking, not digging for a solution for my original problem)
11:57<ODDity>bighornram, have you tried burning at a lower speed?
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11:57<inkbottle>Torsten_W, i haven't got some /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d directory /)
11:58<Torsten_W>inkbottle, then make it
11:58<azeem>ravi: no
11:58<Torsten_W>inkbottle, systemwide configs are placed in /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d
11:58<azeem>ravi: first off, it depends on the file system they were on
11:59<ODDity>bighornram, i've not used nero so.. I'm not sure i'm afraid.. Yout dont really want to be making any more coasters eh but you could try k3b. Perhaps someone else might have an idea with the nice information you provided
11:59<inkbottle>Torsten_W, but how did the system proceeded at first time? (grep -R nv /etc/X11 gives nothing)
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12:00<Torsten_W>inkbottle, xorg uses nv as standard, if the package is installed
12:00<Torsten_W>inkbottle, no conf needed
12:00<Torsten_W>inkbottle, u need a conf only, if you want to use another driver
12:00<bighornram>ODDity: here is log from brasero..
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12:01<Torsten_W>inkbottle, and i will repeat myself, nouveau does only work, if there is a matching nouveau kernel-module, and a matching libdrm
12:01<ODDity>bighornram, you've got plenty of HD space I take is.. especially in /tmp
12:02<ODDity>what are you trying to burn?
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12:04<bighornram>compilation created from avi's.
12:04<jordanm>bighornram: I had some issues with brasero recently. I found them to be known bugs on the BTS so I switched to k3b (which I find to be a better app anyways)
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12:04<jordanm>bighornram: you may want to do the same
12:04<ODDity>+1 for k3b
12:04<bighornram>will give it a try. i have had good luck with nero...until now.
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12:08<bighornram>ODDity: what i find odd (no punn intended) is that brasero identifies 17 mb available, when I burn with brasero on another machine it identifies 4.3Gb
12:08<inkbottle>Torsten_W, Ok; thanks for the how to change from nv to what ever. about using nouveau now, I temporarily give up (thanks again for the "editing" xorg.conf)
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12:09<ODDity>bighornram, perhaps the squeeze version is a little buggy still?
12:10<jordanm>beyond "a little" buggy from when I was reading the bug page last night...
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12:10<bighornram>ODDity: that is what I am thinking too. maybe
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12:14<bighornram>thanks for your ideas.
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12:30<latenal>hello, how to set a swticher (the button on my laptop) to switch both bluetooth and wifi. Bluetooth and wifi work properly but the button switches bluetooth only. It used to switch them both in Vista.
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12:31<latenal>and the led light always indicates "ON"
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12:39<latenal>is anybody there?
12:39<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
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12:40<locklace>!lart monitor
12:40*dpkg whips out a sword and chops monitor in half
12:40<bja>!pie locklace
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12:41<latenal>how to set a swticher (the button on my laptop) to switch both bluetooth and wifi?
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12:42<bja>latenal: check the bios settings first
12:42<latenal>there is no this setting
12:43<latenal>bja, i've cheched it
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12:45<bja>latenal: chech the scancode of the key, assign it to a map and to a function you want. Sorry you will have to google the rest I'm tending a few different matters at this momment
12:46<latenal>bja, thanks
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12:50<latenal>it doesn't have a scancode. xev shows nothing :(
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12:52<dpkg>i heard ops is Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the ops to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban.
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12:54<AcePreshaw>dpkg ops $help
12:54<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: acepreshaw complains about: $help
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12:58<azeem>AcePreshaw: do you have a Debian question?
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13:07<ottoshmidt>i have installed a Sound Maker Value 5.1 (Genius) sound card on my pc and debian has recognized it but i wonder if i should install a driver from Genius to have all features running, like
13:07<ottoshmidt>R-out, F-out etc. or driver from debian handles that ok?
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13:10<kop>ottoshmidt: I don't know. But if you install a 3rd party driver then you may see probems with security updates, and especailly when upgrading to a new release.
13:11<ottoshmidt>yes that's a common issue
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13:12<cahoot>ottoshmidt: find its pciid and check what support alsa has for it
13:12<kop>ottoshmidt: I rarely find the bother worth while and so wait for the in-kernel driver to be enhanced if it does not already do everything I need. You may find a newer kernel from would help.
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13:13<ottoshmidt>cahoot, how do i do that?
13:13<ottoshmidt>lspci i guess and then?
13:13<cahoot>ottoshmidt: lspci -nn
13:14<ottoshmidt>and how i check what support does alsa have?
13:14<cahoot>ottoshmidt: google I thought
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13:21<bja>cahoot: /mdg judd pciid the output, usually it has some usefull links
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13:33<ottoshmidt>btw i don't seem to have /etc/asound.conf file and what does it use instead?
13:34<ottoshmidt>and there isn't any ~/asound.con either
13:35<cahoot> /var/lib/alsa/asound.state?
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13:38<ottoshmidt>cahoot, yes there is such a file
13:39<cahoot> /var/lib/alsa/asound.state keeps the mixersettings
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14:05<philsf>hiu, I have a sarge install, I'd like to upgrade. Is it possible to upgrade directly to lenny?
14:05<locklace>dpkg: tell philsf about sarge->etch
14:06<locklace>dpkg: tell philsf about etch->lenny
14:07<locklace>but consider just backing up your data and doing a clean reinstall
14:07<philsf>locklace, why so?
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14:08<locklace>as a concession to your sanity?
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14:08<locklace>also, the end result of a double upgrade is unlikely to be as clean as what you'll get with a reinstall
14:09<bja>Beeing a clean install faster to perform
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14:11<philsf>I thought each upgrade would give me less downtime, even if the whole process was longer
14:11<philsf>but really, I get that sarge is too old for hopes
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14:12<jordanm>most people would have likely upgraded their sarge installs during the years etch was stable... and again when lenny is stable. Being two releases behind is not all that common
14:12<locklace>i'd say the back-up-and-reinstall option is more predictable and reliable than the double upgrade one as regards downtime
14:12<locklace>but ymmv
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14:16<locklace>!confuse u3
14:16<dpkg>No, how was their gerbil tomorrow, u3? Pants of the Republic of Tahiti with extra anchovies.
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14:27<philsf>when was webmin removed?
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14:28<dpkg>Webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." See about the removal from Debian. Don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality.
14:28<Woet>How would I hide STDERR from the screen? (and just show STDOUT)
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14:30<jackyf>Woet: append '2>/dev/null' to a command
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14:30<Woet>lets see
14:30<Woet>thanks :)
14:30<Gathond>or 2> something to have it go into a file, and not a black hole
14:30<Gathond>in case it proved important at some point
14:30<Woet>i like black holes
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15:03<disposable>my webhosting company has apache set up so that even if my ~ and everything in it is chmod 700, the contents of public_html (also chmod 700) are viewable by the outside world. on my squeeze+apache2, i have to have ~ (711), public_html(711) and everything in it has to be world readable. how do i convince apache to behave like apache of my webhosting company?
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15:16<h2o>i get a message saying, possible litmus trojan
15:16<h2o>can anyone help me please
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15:21<petemc>h2o: message from what?
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15:22<h2o>from an irc server, it banned me, and told me possible litmus trojan :S
15:23<dr|z3d>h2o: Were you connecting via a proxy?
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15:24<h2o>im using xchat. home connection
15:25<dr|z3d>And you're on Debian?
15:25<h2o>ubuntu :S
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15:25<h2o>they were no help to me...
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15:25<h2o>i get the same error, ban message using irssi
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15:25<dr|z3d>h2o: litmus is a windows trojan. Ignore the error.
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15:26<h2o>oh. ok
15:26<dr|z3d>You should have researched that yourself.
15:27<h2o>thats not the message i get dr|z3d
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15:27<dr|z3d><h2o> from an irc server, it banned me, and told me possible litmus trojan :S
15:27<dr|z3d>Make up your mind.
15:28<h2o>no, i mean, im on google, and there are ppl talking about it, on linux
15:28<h2o>litmus trojan on linux
15:28<h2o>thats what i mean,
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15:29<dr|z3d>!fgi h2o litmus+trojan
15:29<dr|z3d>That's enough help, anways. You're on Ubuntu, which we don't support here. So consider yourself blessed 8)
15:30<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
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15:30<dpkg>Another happy customer leaves the building.
15:31<dpkg>If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user.
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15:33<ignotusp>AOL begins with A, but not L :)
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15:35<ignotusp>can I configure inittab in Debian to start X at boot like in archlinux ?
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15:38<philsf>is there an official or recommended /etc/* file where debian systems should store its rules?
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15:41<amphi>ignotusp: install xdm or equiv
15:41<locklace>philsf: what rules
15:42<philsf>locklace, I missed the "iptables" part of the question (duh)
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15:42<locklace>no, unless you use ferm, which you should
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15:44<philsf>locklace, will look into that, thanks
15:45<ignotusp>amphi: I want to load xorg without windows manager
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15:47<amphi>ignotusp: you can use a dm & a session that runs whatever you want, as far as I know - it doesn't have to be a wm
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15:48<ignotusp>amphi: display manager*
15:48<amphi>that is what I meant, yes
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15:51<anodesni>I've installed Debian testin, but internet is very slow and pinging results in 66% package loss. Is this a known bug, should I disable ipv6??
15:52<locklace>pinging what
15:52<locklace>how about your default gateway
15:52<anodesni>how about it?
15:52<locklace>what kind of hardware and ethernet interface
15:53<anodesni>aetheros athk5
15:53<anodesni>but I've noticed the installer (netinst) was very slow too, using eth0
15:53<locklace>dude, try to be systematic here
15:54<locklace>pick one interface
15:54<locklace>run a ping to its next hop for five minutes
15:54<locklace>report the result
15:54<anodesni>I'm sorry, "next hop"? what's that?
15:54<amphi>anodesni: mtr may be of use too
15:55<locklace>also pastebin your /etc/nsswitch.conf and the output of "ifconfig -a", "dmesg", "iwconfig" and "uname -a"
15:55<locklace>anodesni: default gateway. netstat -rn
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16:00<anodesni>locklace, here it is:
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16:01<locklace>first two things i'd do are "aptitude purge avahi-daemon" and update your kernel since it's old
16:02<anodesni>here is the netstat info
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16:03<anodesni>avahi daemon? I come from Arch linux, and never used it
16:03<locklace>why do you have the same subnet assigned to two interfaces
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16:04<anodesni>locklace, don't know, these things normally work with default settings for me
16:05<anodesni>and my kernel is not old, I use d
16:05<anodesni>locklace, don't know, these things normally work with default settings for me
16:05<locklace>do the above things, then shut down eth0 temporarily with "ifconfig eth0 down", then run the ping test to and google or whatever via wlan0 for five minutes
16:05<locklace>,kernel --release squeeze
16:05<judd>Available kernel versions are: squeeze: 2.6.32-3-686 (2.6.32-9)
16:06<locklace>your kernel is old
16:06<anodesni>then why are there no updates?
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16:07<pippo>Hello everybody
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16:07<pippo>When I use an application a I have the follow error message: error while loading shared libraries:
16:08<pippo>How can I fix it?
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16:10<rulus>Good evening! PDF thumbnails are broken here (Gnome/squeeze); evince-thumbnailer is installed but I don't have a /desktop/gnome/thumbnailers/application@pdf directory in gconf. How do I fix this?
16:10<anodesni>locklace, my kernel is amd64
16:11<anodesni>and removing avahi-daemon results in removing gnome and gnome-desktop
16:11<amphi>anodesni: what does uname -r say?
16:11<anodesni>amp, 2.6.32-trunk-amd64
16:12<amphi>you want to upgrade that, as locklace suggested
16:12<anodesni>amphi, well, I do apt-get update, apt-get upgrade, but there are no updates
16:13<anodesni>maybe it has something to do with my 66% package loss
16:13<amphi>apt-cache search linux-image should show 'linux-image-2.6.32-3-amd64'; if so, install it
16:15<anodesni>amphi, what is this "trunk" kernel?
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16:16<dpkg>[trunk] a term from version control systems such as <cvs>, <svn> and <git>. The "trunk" can often be thought of as a developer's playground, the stability (or otherwise) of the code varies from project to project. . Debian -trunk- kernel image/headers packages are obsolete and were removed from the archive ; /msg judd kernel --release squeeze ; see Debian bug #568160 and <kernel abi>.
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16:17<anodesni>amphi, I see, the new kernel is already installed, but so is this trunk, then I delete that
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16:18<amphi>I tend not to delete old kernels until I know the new one is working ok
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16:18<anodesni>I guess grub2 doesn't use menu.lst anymore
16:19<amphi>no - why do you need to fiddle with it?
16:19<anodesni>amphi, to boot the new kernel!
16:20<amphi>anodesni: the new kernel package will have created an entry for it in the grub menu
16:20<amphi>or should have done
16:20<anodesni>amphi, i should check, will reboot, brb
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16:25<anodesni>amphi, locklace, I rebooted with the new kernel and internet is fast again. Thanks for your trouble.
16:25*dpkg waves a finger in the air. "Yay."
16:25<anodesni>I still think it's strange that Debian boots this trunk kernel
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16:30<amphi>anodesni: you are using the testing branch...
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16:30<amphi>anodesni: and that kernel is no longer available
16:31<anodesni>yeah, ok, but who uses stable as desktop anyway?
16:32<amphi>you want names? shall we denounce them?
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16:32<amphi>also, I could as well ask, who uses a 'desktop' anyway?
16:33<anodesni>You miss out on a lot of things when you use stable
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16:34<amphi>I prefer to use testing, but one needs to pay more attention and be prepared to deal with occasional breakage
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16:35<anodesni>I hope it will be released as stable this year
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16:40<rudi_s>anodesni: I prefer stable, it's stable and if I need a newer version I can compile it myself.
16:40<amphi>rudi_s: and there a backports
16:40<anodesni>rudi_s, I like stable too, but lenny was just too old for my needs
16:41<anodesni>but I will probably use squeeze as stable for quit a while
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16:47<niktaris>how do I update to kde 4.4.3 on my squeeze box ?
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16:48<dr|z3d>niktaris: Find a repo that supplies it, and add to your apt sources.
16:48<niktaris>done that
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16:48<niktaris>dr|z3d, then what ?
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16:49<aiux>brake you system ..
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16:50<simonrvn>though 'brake' would happen when it broke ;).
16:50<dr|z3d>niktaris: just update.
16:50<simonrvn>everything tops ;)
16:51<trroulouloiu>hi , i lost a partition crypted in a file with cryptsetup today
16:51<trroulouloiu>what can i do
16:51<dr|z3d>niktaris: you should then see the new version offered. aptitude update && aptitude full-upgrade
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16:51<niktaris>dr|z3d, not everything just kde
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16:51<simonrvn>trroulouloiu: invoke your $deity through meditative procedures
16:51<dr|z3d>niktaris: Is it already installed?
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16:51<niktaris>dr|z3d, yes
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16:51<trroulouloiu>simonrvn: ?? did nit understand
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16:52<dr|z3d>niktaris: then what I said :)
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16:53<niktaris>dr|z3d, will that not update the whole system to sid ?
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16:53<dr|z3d>niktaris: Um. You've specifed sid's repository?
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16:53<simonrvn>trroulouloiu: don't worry about it, i was half-trolling you. seriously though, do you have backups? how did you lose it? what did you do? we need details.
16:53<dr|z3d>niktaris: In which case, just do an aptitude reinstall <package>
16:54<trroulouloiu>simonrvn: don't know i have that partition for years with all my credentials in it :( and todat when a try to mount it it say error not ext2 file system ...
16:55<trroulouloiu>and my only backup is corrupted to
16:55<dr|z3d>niktaris: That's after you've done an aptitude update.
16:55<simonrvn>and you don't have this elsewhere? oh damn.
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16:56<niktaris>dr|z3d, I have sid reporisotories already added. Question is what <package> to update that will trigger the whole kde system to update but leave everything else alone
16:56<trroulouloiu>no unfortunately
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16:57<dr|z3d>niktaris: Dunno offhand. I'm not big on kde.
16:57<trroulouloiu>my hard disk was dying (too slow ) so i copy my partition on one backup disk and made a backup on my second backup disk
16:57<niktaris>dr|z3d, thanks anyway
16:58<trroulouloiu>and figured out that my crypted partition is dead :(
16:58<simonrvn>wow, just bad luck eh
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16:59<trroulouloiu>pff yes
17:00<trroulouloiu>btw another question why do debian take so much time to upgrade gdm ?
17:00<trroulouloiu>it is still in 2.20
17:00<trroulouloiu>it is not a complain , i just would like to understand the reason
17:01<aiux>, versions gdm
17:01<judd>gdm -- etch: 2.16.4-1; lenny: 2.20.7-4lenny1; sid: 2.20.10-3; squeeze: 2.20.10-3
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17:03<trroulouloiu>yes the other packahe are in 2.26 ....
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17:07<ignotusp>what about iceweasel 3.6.3? Why is it still in experimental?
17:09<locklace>because it's experimental
17:10<ignotusp>locklace: why so long, firefox realesed a long time ago
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17:11<trroulouloiu>too few developers actually
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17:24<niktaris>lets have some fun "braking" the system...
17:25<aiux>"braking"TM ..
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17:26<Zathraz>hi. I upgraded lenny->squeeze (amd64) and now iceweasel has all kind of quirks: unable to update extensions/plugins, unable to handle keyboard input. Browsing is possible through hyperlinks only, but is extremely slow. when ran from cli I get an error about which can not be found although it is on my system etc. Is this "normal" for the current 3.5.9 iceweasel on amd64?
17:26<niktaris>aiux, ;-)
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17:27<m42>Zathraz, not on my system....
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17:28<Zathraz>hmm. On cli I also see "error 89". No idea what that is
17:29<Zathraz>sometimes that is
17:29<Zathraz>however consistent is:
17:29<Zathraz>nsHeaderInfo: registerSelf called!
17:29<Zathraz>*** NSPlugin Viewer *** ERROR: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
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17:30<m42>Zathraz, maybe some corrupted or badly instaled package ?
17:30<Zathraz>no idea. Fresh install/upgrade from yesterday
17:31<m42>maybe apt-get install libnsss3-1d solves your problem....
17:32<aiux>libnss3-1d* is installed ?
17:32<Zathraz>yes it is. Even the dev is installed
17:32<Zathraz>iirc however iceweasel has it's own version
17:32<Zathraz>at least iceape actually has
17:33<Zathraz>iceape works fine
17:33<locklace>try shutting down x and reinstalling iceweasel/xulrunner
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17:33<m42>Zathraz, and removing / unresgistering iceweasel plugins ?
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17:35<jorge>hello! :) i need help whit my debian, i need to install nvidia drivers :S
17:35<jorge>my monitor keeps disconnecting because he doesnt detect the video driver :S
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17:36<jorge>please someone
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17:37<dpkg>The people here are volunteers, your attitude should reflect that. Answers are not always available.
17:37<jorge>i know, im sorry
17:37<jorge>im so happy i finaly was able to install debian!!! im so freaking happy!!!
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17:38<Zathraz>I reinstalled libnss3-1d : that reduced the warning/log of "nsHeaderInfo: registerSelf called!" from 4 to 2 times
17:38<bja>jorge: have you tried in #debian-pt or #debian-br?
17:38<Zathraz>still did not work. next I uninstalled the "showIP" plugin
17:39<Zathraz>still the same error, however the rest seems to work now
17:39<jorge>but why ?
17:40<bja>aren't you from portugal?
17:40<jorge>those $chans are empty :S
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17:40<jorge>yes from portugal
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17:40<bja>jorge: Never mind, i was beeing a pita
17:41<jorge>im happy i was able to perfectly install debian!!! no one can bother me :D :D
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17:41<jorge>anyway, im gonna idle here, waiting for a kind, patient sould, to help me :p
17:41<Zathraz>"extensions" -> install gives "is currently disabled. When re-enabled the next try also gives again: is disabled
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17:43<Zathraz>jorge, monitors will never detect videodrivers. However there are tools that do the other way around. Alternatively you can specify monitor definitions by hand. This was how it has been for years
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17:44<jorge>but, i had this problem on windows vista, everytime i updated \ added \ the nvidia driver the problem disappeared.
17:44<Zathraz>mdetect can detect your mouse (also needed fo x11) etc
17:44<jorge>thats why i want to install those drivers on debian
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17:45<Zathraz>jorge, there are various options: install generic vga driver, install nv driver (opensource), install the binary driver of nvidia (closed source). iirc there is an article on the debian wiki on the subject. not sure though
17:45<Zathraz>could be elsewhere. Just search the net
17:46<jorge>:) thank you very much
17:47<Zathraz>installing the binary driver may give best performance but is not very much Debian-style. Also it will need to recompile/reinstall at every kernel upgrade
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17:48<amphi>jorge: or you could perhaps try nouveau, I don't know how far it's progressed
17:49<jorge>nouveau, what is that ?
17:49<Zathraz>french for "new" :P
17:49<amphi>an open nvidia driver in development
17:49<amphi>!lart Zathraz
17:49*dpkg stabs Zathraz
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17:49<jorge>!google nouveau nvidia ?
17:49<jorge>like this ?
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17:52<locklace>!tell jorge about nouveau
17:53<jorge>thank you!
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17:58<Zathraz>hmm. iceweasel is still not able to handle loginforms :-(
17:58<Zathraz>nothing in logs
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18:11<metrahla_>where can i ask a question about PXE booting
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18:11<dr|z3d>metrahla: What distro are you on?
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18:13<leino>hi guys, quick question
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18:14<leino>Im trying to install gprof on debian
18:14<leino>apt-get install gprof
18:14<leino>does not work
18:14<leino>it says there is no package named gprof
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18:15<m42>leino, try binutils
18:16<leino>apt-get install binutils?
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18:17<leino>"binutils is already the newest version"
18:17<dr|z3d>I was going to say, ask, but he left.
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18:17<niktaris>that went nice...
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18:17<m42>leino, so, you should have already gprof installed....
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18:18<leino>wth... now I can run gprof all of a sudden
18:18<leino>thanks I guess
18:18<m42>you're welcome
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18:28<zekoZeko>hi everyone. I'm trying to build Cyrus IMAP 2.3 packages on Squeeze and have this problem:
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18:28<zekoZeko>May 10 22:20:34 mail cyrus/notify[4505]: incorrect version of Berkeley db: compiled against 4.8.26, linked against 4.7.25
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18:29<jorge>how can i exit the x-server so i can install the nvidia drivers ?
18:29<zekoZeko>how can i fix this? i took the 2.3.8 package from experimental and run uupdate to 2.3.16. What I have works on Lenny, but on Squeeze I encountered the problem.
18:30<dr|z3d>jorge: try ctrl+alt+bkspc.
18:30<dr|z3d>you could also /etc/init.d/gdm stop
18:30<dr|z3d>(assuming you're running gdm)
18:31<themill>zekoZeko: did you recompile the package on a squeeze machine?
18:31<zekoZeko>themill: ofcourse. I also changed the build-deps to libdb4.6-dev on Lenny and libdb4.8-dev on Squeeze
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18:32<themill>zekoZeko: do you have libdb4.8 installed?
18:32<zekoZeko>themill: yes.
18:33<themill>try running "ldd" against the binary in question to see what version of the library it's picking up
18:34<zekoZeko>did that first thing :)
18:34<themill>the compilation should have explicitly linked against the 4.8 version....
18:34<zekoZeko>how can i force that?
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18:35<zekoZeko>i have both 4.7and 4.8 installed on the build host, I don't think i can uninstall 4.7 because stuff depends on it
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18:36<themill>zekoZeko: to verify that it works, you could monkey with LDPRELOAD. I don't know why the linker stage didn't do this properly for you in the first place though.
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18:37<zekoZeko>themill: any tips where i should look to fix this? I'll need this working again in the future as cyrus 2.3 won't be in the archive soon it seems :)
18:39<jordanm>if it runs on lenny.. whats stopping you from running lenny? Is there a need for squeeze?
18:40<zekoZeko>jordanm: i'm building a new mail server and I don't feel like upgrading it in a few months when squeeze comes out :)
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18:40<jordanm>!moving target
18:40<dpkg>Sure, testing might be shiner that stable, but are you prepared to be continually updating your system? Things that worked today will break tomorrow. Configuration file formats will change and you'll have to fold your changes in yet again. Testing is a moving target and if you'd rather work *with* your computer rather than working *on* your computer, you might not want that. See <testing security>.
18:41<zekoZeko>jordanm: i'm well aware of what "testing" is and usually quite capable of handling it, but the problem I have is more of a packaging problem :)
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18:49<jorge>i managed to install nvidia!!!!!! problem solved!!!
18:49<zekoZeko>not sure if it will help... $DBENGINE is only used here: echo "DBENGINE $(DBENGINE)" >>debian/cyrus-db-types.txt
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18:50<jorge>does anyone want me to say how ______
18:50<zekoZeko>rebuilding, will report later :)
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18:51<jorge>i need help, now my keybord is not in portuguese help me please
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18:53<yfk>is there an advantage to compiling things yourself rather than getting them precompiled?
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18:54<zekoZeko>nope, still links to db4.7
18:54<zekoZeko>yfk: only in case the required program versions are not in the archive yet :)
18:55<yfk>zekoZeko, thanks
18:55<zekoZeko>yfk: why are you asking?
18:56<zekoZeko>yfk: sometimes there are compile time optimizations that affect performance, but you'll rarely need that.
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18:56<yfk>zekoZeko, yeah, that's what I've ment
18:57<zekoZeko>yfk: or the package has some options disabled that you need, but otherwise, it's a pain in the ass to compile things yourself :)
18:57<yfk>is it possible that a precompiled version doesen't use any instruction set or something?
18:57<zekoZeko>yfk: anything is possible :)
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18:58<yfk>yeah :) is it probable?
18:58<zekoZeko>yfk: no idea. any specific package in mind?
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18:59<zekoZeko>anyone else here fluent (at least more than I am) with packaging and my libdb problems?
18:59<yfk>not really. nothing specific. X or the kernel seem like decent packages to wonder about... not that I'm going to compile either, any ways :)
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19:00<zekoZeko>yfk: i haven't really felt a need to compile my own kernel for at least 5 years :)
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19:02<jorge>how do i change my keyboard layout please
19:03<aiux>dpkg-reconfigure console-data
19:03<yfk>zekoZeko, thanks for the info
19:03<yfk>good night
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19:04<jorge>thank you
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19:33<zekoZeko>building again... i think it just might work this time :)
19:35<zekoZeko># ldd imap/imapd| grep libdb
19:35<zekoZeko> => /usr/lib/ (0x00007fe8b50a2000)
19:35<zekoZeko>WIN! :)
19:35<bja>!win zekoZeko
19:35<dpkg>Congratulations, zekoZeko! You have won the US presidency!
19:36<amphi>that's unkind
19:36<themill>zekoZeko: yay ;)
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19:43<bja>!congratulate zekoZeko
19:43<dpkg>Good show zekoZeko, you did it!
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19:47<zekoZeko>well, it seems i've thrown away a few hours today :)
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19:48<zekoZeko>i'll build this one and see if it works better, the one I got has some minor quirks still.
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19:52<k-man>i'm getting this strange error when i apt-get update: Something wicked happened resolving '' (-11)
19:52<k-man>i think its something to do with perl being broken
19:52<k-man>and I can'
19:52<k-man>t fix it because apt-get is broken now
19:52<zekoZeko>what happens when you ping that address? or even better, telnet 21
19:53<zekoZeko>k-man: the error suggests there's something wrong with your resolving.
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19:53<k-man>zekoZeko: yeah, but i can resolve the host via ping
19:53<k-man>so unless apt-get uses some bizzare method of resolving?
19:54<dr|z3d>!why aptitude
19:54<dpkg>aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution and will often find a solution where apt-get gives up. It can be used from the command line like apt-get plus an interactive resolver makes it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. It has advanced search capabilities (see <aptitude search>).
19:54<k-man>i get the same sort of errors with aptitude
19:55<aiux>k-man, use debian mirror
19:55<k-man> Something wicked happened resolving '' (-11)
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19:55<themill>!dbugs 551760
19:55<dpkg>DONE:#551760:N[apt] apt: Something wicked happened resolving (); Tue, 20 Oct 2009 14:39:05 UTC []
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19:55<k-man>err.. how do i look that up?
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19:56<k-man>mn, ill google it
19:56<k-man>wget is able to resolve hosts btw
19:57<themill>actually, that's a different bug
19:58<Sol>i need, to add vnc option, to the remote desktop viewer , but i dont no how to.
19:58<k-man>themill: any suggestions as to how to fix it?
19:58<k-man>or even diagnose it?
19:59<dr|z3d>Sol: What are you trying to do?
19:59<dr|z3d>Remote Desktop viewer _is_ vnc based.
19:59<Sol>im trying to connect to my server
19:59<Sol>on ubuntu i had the option to connect, ssh and vnc
19:59<Sol>i only had to select vence and put the ip, but on debian the option vnc, is not there ...
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20:00<dr|z3d>aptitude install gvncviewer
20:00<dr|z3d>judd versions gvncviewer
20:00<judd>gvncviewer -- etch-backports: 0.3.6-2~bpo40+1; lenny: 0.3.8-2; sid: 0.3.10-6; squeeze: 0.3.10-6
20:01<themill>k-man: do you have a sane /etc/resolv.conf and /etc/hosts?
20:01<k-man>themill: yes - all was working - i did an aptitude install of some perl packages, it said it neeeded to resolve conflicts, and now things are broken
20:02<themill>any chance of being more specific than that?
20:02<dr|z3d>k-man: perhaps you can pastebin the error message?
20:03<k-man>ok, meeting bbl
20:03<bja>k-man: have you seen the proper logs to pinpoint the installed and uninstalled packages?
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20:03<themill># define EAI_SYSTEM -11 /* System error returned in `errno'. */
20:03<themill>^^ is the actual error involved.
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20:07<PiraRX>buenas madrugadas
20:08<bja>!es PiraRX
20:08<dpkg>PiraRX: Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat
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20:13<bja>k-man: pinging should resolve the ip of the host. It is way of testing that you have a good dns resolve
20:16<zekoZeko>bja: he does, we've been through that before.
20:17<bja>zekoZeko: ok, then why didn't he substitute the hostname for the ip on his sources.list, or add that line to the hosts
20:19<bja>zekoZeko: ok, read the relevant lines again and you are right, it will not work even for that.
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20:20<zekoZeko>bja: it seems the problem has been solved, according to the bugreport.
20:20<zekoZeko>bja: so he needs to fetch the package manually and install it with dpkg, but noone told him that yet :)
20:21<zekoZeko>bja: he'll be back sooner or later :)
20:21<bja>!coffee zekoZeko
20:21*dpkg decants a fine broth of organic, fair trade Tanzanian for zekoZeko, courtesy of bja
20:21<zekoZeko>haha, i'd better get to bed :)
20:21<zekoZeko>2:21 am here
20:22<bja>Rest, you deserve it
20:22<zekoZeko>i do, seems i solved my cyrus problems.
20:23<zekoZeko>shit, forgot about a meeting with a customer at 10am
20:23<bja>zekoZeko: i ditch cyrus in favor of dovecot
20:23<zekoZeko>bja: i still prefer cyrus :)
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20:24<bja>zekoZeko: matter of taste
20:25<zekoZeko>bja: been using 2.2 for a long long time now, but I want 2.3 on the new server, had some trouble packaging it :)
20:25*simonrvn packages his own, and it's a PITA to do so
20:25<Metrahla>what does it means in linux when the disk activity is so so Hi.. that i cant even move my mouse (no commands work) i waited like 7 or 8 minutes and i had to force the power button
20:25<zekoZeko>bja: i think i used every pop3/imap server that is in Debian at one time or another, Cyrus is a little complicated but it also scales well.
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20:26<simonrvn>Metrahla: you go make yourself a beverage and wait
20:26<miguel000>whats wrong about : aptitude purge libboost* ?
20:26<simonrvn>miguel000: depends if other stuff deps on it or not
20:26<zekoZeko>bja: nothing wrong with dovecot though, i use it in a few places.
20:26<miguel000>it just doesnt match anything
20:26<bja>zekoZeko: I'll take that into consideration if i run into trouble with dovecot
20:26<zekoZeko>bja: you won't, it's not a bad piece of software :)
20:27<Metrahla>simonrvn, when i had ubuntu .. i was suspicous about something.. about the Swap.. this time, with debian it was while i was using mermory on Vbox
20:27<simonrvn>probably getting swallowed by the shell
20:27<bja>zekoZeko: Hope you are right ;P
20:27<simonrvn>vbox isn't exactly friendly to the host
20:27<miguel000>maybe i need to escape it
20:27<simonrvn>yes you do
20:27<simonrvn>though aptitude behaves differently with globbing like this than apt-get, not sure if it'll work
20:27<miguel000>Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "libboost*"
20:28<simonrvn>yeh, i figured :/
20:28<miguel000>maybe apt-get would work, but I wanted to use aptitude
20:28<zekoZeko>simonrvn: tabardated, nevermind :)
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20:28<simonrvn>could probably use an aptitude search glob
20:29<simonrvn>like ~i'libboost.*' or something
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20:29<simonrvn>i usually use the ui
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20:30<miguel000>simonrvn, : ok thank yoou
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20:49<PovAddict>if I select recovery mode (single user) on boot, it asks for my root password
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20:50<PovAddict>during Debian install, I left the root password blank, which (according to the displayed instructions) locks root login and configures sudo instead
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20:51<PovAddict>it seems that installer option isn't tested much, since lots of things expect a root login unless I manually configure them otherwise
20:52<miguel000>It seems my system is not looking in /usr/local/lib for dynamic libs by default
20:52<miguel000>how can I change this?
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20:58<miguel000>im afraid I linked it inproperly
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21:00<gusnan>miguel000, which version of Debian?
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21:01<gusnan>Previously, I remember adding folders to /etc/, and then running ldconfig, but now that seems to be a .d -folder system.
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21:02<miguel000>gnusan: it seems to be already in the
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21:02<gusnan>and if running ldconfig, it doesn't change things?
21:02<gusnan>(I am not sure if you must run it as root or not..)
21:03<miguel000>aaah it changed things..
21:03<gusnan>Great! :)
21:03<miguel000>thank you
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21:18<k-man>i'm having problems with fixing a broken perl install -
21:19<k-man>basicaly it says trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/perl/5.10', which is also in package libtemplate-plugin-latex-perl but i can't seem to remove libtemplate-plugin-latex-perl
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21:19<jordanm>,versions perl-base
21:19<judd>perl-base -- etch: 5.8.8-7etch6; etch-security: 5.8.8-7etch6; lenny: 5.10.0-19lenny2; sid: 5.10.1-12; squeeze: 5.10.1-12; experimental: 5.12.0-1
21:20<jordanm>,versions libtemplate-plugin-latex-perl
21:20<judd>Sorry, no package named 'libtemplate-plugin-latex-perl' was found.
21:21<jordanm>k-man: looks like a 3rd party deb conflicting wiht a debian one
21:21<k-man>ok - here's what i get when i try and purge it -
21:21<miguel000>is there an opengl dev package in debian lenny?
21:21<jordanm>k-man: why did you say yes before putting up the pastebin?
21:22<k-man>is there some way to force perl-base to overwrite the libtemplate-plugin-latex-perl package?
21:22<jordanm>k-man: where did you get that package?
21:22<k-man>jordanm: yes to what?
21:22<jordanm>k-man: aptitude's suggestion
21:22<k-man>err.... good question - not sure
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21:23<jordanm>k-man: you just went from halfway into testing and broken to all the way into testing in broken
21:23<jordanm>ah, well, it failed anyways...
21:24<k-man>jordanm: hmm... ok. how do i find more info about the installed libtemplate-plugin-latex-perl package?
21:24<dpkg>In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete output of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run (including the command you used); the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages and "apt-cache policy". Use to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>.
21:24<jordanm>k-man: follow the above instructions and paste
21:24<jordanm>k-man: also include your sources.list
21:24<k-man>ok, thanks jordanm
21:25<jordanm>k-man: and go ahead and include "libc6" on the apt-cache policy..
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21:28<k-man>ok, requested info - hopefully nothing missing:
21:29<k-man>jordanm: i think that that libtemplate-plugin-latex-perl came from building a .deb of a cpan perl module and installing that
21:30<jordanm>k-man: I don't know much about cpan but I have heard poor quality
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21:31<k-man>i think i build and installed it a long time ago using instructions similar to this:
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21:32<k-man>not that that really helps
21:32<jordanm>k-man: dpkg -r libtemplate-plugin-latex-perl
21:32<k-man>ok, that went cleanly
21:32<jordanm>k-man: aptitude install 0f
21:32<jordanm>k-man: aptitude install -f
21:33<k-man>ok, that offered a fairly big list of things
21:33<jordanm>lets see it
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21:34<gusnan>miguel000, Try the libgl1-mesa-dev pacakge. ( I have it on testing, I am not sure if it is there on stable.)
21:35<k-man>actually, this all started when i tried to upgrad amavis or something
21:35<jordanm>k-man: sure it wasn't when you upgraded to core packages to testing?
21:36<jordanm>k-man: you should remove lenny from your sources now
21:36<k-man>jordanm: before accepting?
21:36<jordanm>k-man: don't accept
21:36<jordanm>,versions xserver-xorg-video-ati
21:36<judd>xserver-xorg-video-ati -- etch: 1:6.6.3-2; lenny: 1:6.9.0-1+lenny4; squeeze: 1:6.12.6-1; sid: 1:6.13.0-1
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21:37<jordanm>k-man: you have squeeze libc6 but your lenny packages are not even up to date..
21:37<k-man>jordanm: ok, removed lenny, and doing aptitude update right now
21:38<amitz>am I the only one or ... I will probably refrain from submitting bug report for a package in sid before it moves to testing -_-
21:38<k-man>still get a resolving error:
21:38<jordanm>k-man: I just noticed... you have mixed ubuntu and testing?
21:38<k-man>jordanm: i did? where?
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21:39<jordanm>k-man: software-properties-gtk: Conflicts: update-manager (< 0.55) but 0.42.2ubuntu22-15 is installed and it is kept back.
21:39<k-man>jordanm: no - at least not deliberately
21:39<k-man>jordanm: very odd- i have never done that deliberately - i never put ubuntu sources lines in or anything
21:39<jordanm>,versions update-manager
21:39<judd>update-manager -- etch: 0.42.2ubuntu22-11; lenny: 0.68.debian-7
21:40<k-man>anyway, i don't need it, ill remove it
21:40<jordanm>k-man: I think I have seen some packages in unstable with ubuntu tags..
21:40<jordanm>,versions upstart
21:40<judd>upstart -- sid: 0.6.3-1; squeeze: 0.6.3-1
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21:45<k-man>ok, removed update-manager
21:46<jordanm>k-man: what is the current status of perl? apt-cache policy perl-base perl
21:47<jordanm>k-man: see what an aptitude upgrade would look like
21:48<k-man>its thinking
21:49<k-man>it's big -
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21:51<jordanm>k-man: you may actually be in a state to get back to lenny... it will be difficult when libc6 and perl are at question though
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21:52<k-man>jordanm: you think its worth a try? would that be easier than upgrading to squeeze?
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21:56<k-man>hmm... something is very broken with perl/aptitude - i can't install any packages, i get the same Something wicked happened resolving '' (-11) error
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21:57<jordanm>k-man: what is it?
21:57<jordanm>k-man: any output from aptitude search ~ahold ?
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22:00<k-man>what was the purpose of that command?
22:01<goodell>greetings. trying to install proprietary nvidia Geforce drivers "173" on debian squeeze/sid w/kernel 2.6.32. module builds but then crashes my system on insmod before exiting the installer
22:01<k-man>hmm... i feel like i have well and truly screwed it -
22:01<goodell>wondering whether I should try a different driver or whether this is just not supported...
22:01<goodell>any idea what I should do next?
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22:02<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Testing users: ask me about <nvidia squeeze>. Installing directly from (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (
22:02*dr|z3d waves to goodell.
22:02<goodell>dr|z3d: merci
22:03<dr|z3d>goodell: de rien. :)
22:03<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on
22:03*dr|z3d winks.
22:04<k-man>at its core, what does aptitude use to download the packages its going to install?
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22:06<k-man>jordanm: this fixed it
22:07<k-man>removing the wins line
22:07<k-man>not sure why
22:07<k-man>but i think i need that wins line
22:07<jordanm>k-man: you probably don't
22:08<k-man>i need it so i can type "ping somelocalwindowsmachinename" from the command line and it will look it up
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22:10<jordanm>k-man: no you don't
22:10<k-man>jordanm: ok - i can accept that - but how do i make lookups of wins names work then?
22:10<jordanm>k-man: wins servers are deprecated. dns should be used instead, or even hosts files
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22:11<k-man>jordanm: does MS know this? ;)
22:11<jordanm>k-man: yes, MS doesn't really use wins servers anymore...
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22:11<k-man>jordanm: really? interesting
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22:12<Rapsodius>Hello I want to try e17 wm, but its on sid, and I have squeeze... how can I do to install it without switching repos?
22:12<jordanm>k-man: netbios is still used however
22:12<Rapsodius>PS: and without compiling too
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22:12<k-man>jordanm: ok - so.... what do i do?
22:12<k-man>install some sort of netbios server on my linux box?
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22:13<jordanm>k-man: no, what do you use for a dhcp server?
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22:13<k-man>jordanm: meeting, brb
22:13<k-man>bbiab more like
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22:16<miguel000>should i not be able to do link with -lGL when I installed: libgl-dev ?
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22:20<miguel000>I dont understand it: I do have a /usr/lib/ but when im compiling/linking with -lGL i get: /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lGL
22:21<miguel000>maybe I can not link with a dynamic lib like that
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22:44<BiggFREE>Is DB ploblematic tonight ?
22:44<BiggFREE>Is DB problematic tonight ?
22:44<BiggFREE>Nickserv ?
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22:51<BiggFREE>Is DB problematic tonight ? Nickserv ?
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22:53<k-man>what exactly does safe-upgrade do to be "safe" (or not do?)
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22:55<dpkg>safe-upgrade is probably the new name for "upgrade" in aptitude from lenny onwards. Running aptitude safe-upgrade won't install new packages but that means you might miss security updates that install new packages. Ask me about <full-upgrade> <apt-listchanges>
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23:13<BiggFREE>bbl buddies
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23:32<ale_ryu>hey guys, I'm having a slow boot time problem with my system. I've tried several kernels and sometimes during bootup the system hangs for a while, and continues when I press a key or something like that. I've never had that kind of problems before and it's happening with several kernels. Is it possible that grub2 is causing this? I have googled extensively but can't find a solution
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23:33<gdb>"Boots slow" is kinda broad. What is the system doing? Have you tried booting in single user mode?
23:34<gdb>Is it "hanging" at any particular step?
23:34<gdb>What version of Debian are you running?
23:34<gdb>Do you have the issue with the stock kernel?
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23:35<dr|z3d>ale_ryu: Have you tried running bootchart? If you could upload the resultant image somewhere, we'll have a better idea of what might be the issue..
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23:38<ale_ryu>squeeze/sid, right now using kernel 2.6.32-5-amd64. the problem is it sometimes takes too long between bootup steps, like it waits a lot of time when it says 'setting keymap' and then again on some other steps, that is unless I press a key to make it continue. It really puzzles me. I'll try that bootchart thing and report back to you. thanks!
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23:40<ale_ryu>yes, I do have the issue with the stock kernel too
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23:47<k-man>how do i reinstall all the required packages for a package?
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23:48<gdb>k-man: By reinstalling the package the requires them.
23:48<gdb>k-man: I'm not sure how else to answer your question without more context. If you reinstall the package the requires them, apt-get/aptitude will also install the dependancies.
23:49<dr|z3d>gdb: he wants the dependencies also reinstalled, I think.
23:49<k-man>gdb: ok, nm, i've been having some dpendancy problems that i'm trying to fix
23:49<gdb>Oh, in the case, I've no idea. I'd strip the system down with aptitude and then go from there.
23:49<twiggz>aptitude remove pkgname , aptitude update, aptitude autoclean , and aptitude install yourpkgname should do it yes?
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23:49*twiggz is drunk ...who machine works.
23:49<Ganneff>dpkg -l|awk '{print $2}'|xargs apt-get install --reinstall
23:49<dpkg>Ganneff: wish i knew
23:50<Ganneff>dpkg: shutup bot
23:50<dpkg>i don't know, Ganneff
23:51*twiggz never uses apt-get
23:53<twiggz>got a question though...
23:53<twiggz>see, Ive recently taken a liking to running debian testing...and i want to keep running it...
23:54<twiggz>deb testing main contrib non-free
23:54<twiggz>deb testing/updates main contrib non-free
23:54<twiggz>that should keep me on the current testing forever if thats in my sources.list yes?
23:55<twiggz>stable gets stale after awhile for a desktop...
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23:57<twiggz>logic says it would.
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