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#debian IRC Logs for 2010-05-12

---Logopened Wed May 12 00:00:34 2010
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00:11<k-man>since resolving my apt issues yesterday and removing all references to lenny, i now have a fairly large upgrade list: http://paste.debian.net/73026/
00:11<k-man>shall i just do the big upgrade or break it up somehow?
00:11<k-man>it also wants to remove a whole load of of things
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00:13<Appl6>k-man: You might want to try aptitude safe-upgrade first.
00:13<Appl6>k-man: Right, I saw, that's why I think safe-upgrade would be a better choice.
00:14<Appl6>k-man: It should get the obvious upgrades out of the way so you can focus on the things that cause broken dependencies and such.
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00:16<cunpi>大家好。
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00:21<k-man>Appl6: ah, ok, thanks for the hints
00:21<Appl6>k-man: Sure.
00:21<k-man>in safe upgrade, what do open, close, defer and conflict mean?
00:22<Appl6>k-man: Uh, I'm not sure? Haha, can you pastebin it please?
00:23<k-man>Appl6: sure - once its finished calculating
00:24<k-man>aptitude safe-upgrade is still calculating
00:25<k-man>http://paste.debian.net/73028/
00:25<k-man>its still calculating
00:25<k-man>check it out
00:28<Appl6>k-man: one sec
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00:32<Appl6>k-man: It's trying to resolve dependencies. Those numbers are statistics on how it's doing while looking for possible solutions to resolve your dependencies.
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00:33<k-man>there must be something screwie as its _still_ going
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00:36<chitchat>Can somebody please help me download and install the dvb kernel driver for Lenny using module-assistant? When I try, I'm getting an error.
00:36<Appl6>k-man: It takes longer the more packages and dependencies you have.
00:37<Appl6>k-man: Usually people have just a few packages to install or update, but you're installing hundreds, and with a bunch of conflicts, too.
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00:37<gsimmons>dpkg: tell chitchat -about dvb-driver
00:38<chitchat>gsimmons: Thank you, that makes sense now. So how do I get the dvb drivers? Should I download the sources manually, or can I still use m-a?
00:40<k-man>i had to kill the safe-upgrad
00:40<k-man>it was still going and was hogging all system resourceds
00:40<gsimmons>chitchat: The former, but why do you require use of the out-of-tree DVB drivers?
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00:41<chitchat>gsimmons: I just want to get a USB DVB dongle working.
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00:41<chitchat>gsimmons: I don't know what you mean by "out of tree".
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00:44<gsimmons>chitchat: As opposed to the DVB drivers included in mainline Linux 2.6 kernels. Which specific device? (e.g. USB-ID) IME, most just require USB bridge firmware to be supplied.
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00:44<Kenshin>hey, is anyone around?
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00:46<chitchat>gsimmons: perhaps I have it wrong - I thought the dvb drivers were missing from the mainline kernel. Perhaps it's a problem with udev for my specific card? It works great on the latest Fedora
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00:46<chitchat>gsimmons: The symptom is that it detects the usb device, but doesn't create /dev/dvb*
00:47<Kenshin>has anyone here successfully gotten any pc games to work in wine?
00:47<Kenshin>i can't get any to work
00:47<Kenshin>nor with cedega either
00:50<gsimmons>chitchat: Again, which specific device do you have? After connecting it, please provide the output returned for the dmesg command at a paste site (/msg dpkg paste), along with output of "lsusb" and "uname -r".
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00:52<edbian>how can I check my run level via cli??
00:53<gsimmons>edbian: /sbin/runlevel
00:53<LokiChaos>can I check anthy/uim input mode from the cli?
00:55<edbian>Where does update-rc.d but scripts if I choose defaults ??
00:56<Kenshin>well, guess i won't be runnin many games on here lol
00:57<LokiChaos>Kenshin: I haven't had much trouble, but most are older game anyway
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00:57<edbian>Nevermind I found it. 2 3 4 and 5
00:57<Kenshin>like what have you gotten working?
00:57<chitchat>gsimmons: I was working on the assumption that I needed to download the driver. Obviously something else is the problem, so I'll spend a bit of time investigating and get back to you later if that's ok?
00:57<Kenshin>and, did you use wine?
00:57<LokiChaos>Kenshin: I have diablo2 (but not diablo), warcraft3, starsiege:tribes (1 and 2)
00:57<Kenshin>so far i've tried nfsu2, dmc3, dmc4 with no results
00:57<LokiChaos>Kenshin: yeah just wine
00:58<Kenshin>though they did install smoothly
00:58<Kenshin>so that's a good sign
00:58<Kenshin>lol
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00:59<Kenshin>guess i'll just keep plugging away
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01:04<Kenshin>ah man
01:05<Kenshin>this sux lol
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01:05<Kenshin>does anyone know of a "workin game list" of sorts for debian?
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01:05<gsimmons>chitchat: First determine if an in-tree DVB driver requires firmware from userspace (via dmesg). If your device uses the alarmingly common DiBcom dib0700 USB DVB bridge, ask dpkg about dibcom.
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01:09<chitchat>gsimmons: Yes, it requires firmware. dmesg on the machine that it's connected to installs "dvb-usb-af9015.fw". That machine is remote which is why I can't plug the dongle into mine right now, but I definitely don't have that file.
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01:11<gsimmons>chitchat: It is not currently packaged (Debian bug #534379), but you can acquire it from the linux-firmware tree ; /msg dpkg linux-firmware
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01:18<larsie>no way to use 'apt-get install' on two files?
01:18<dr|z3d>Yup.
01:19<dr|z3d>Just specify them both.
01:19<larsie>okey. cool.
01:19<Scynix>yeah, both names... apt-get install bob cat
01:19<dr|z3d>Or use aptitude, much better.
01:19<Scynix>or .. what dr said
01:19<dr|z3d>!why aptitude
01:19<dpkg>aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution and will often find a solution where apt-get gives up. It can be used from the command line like apt-get plus an interactive resolver makes it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. It has advanced search capabilities (see <aptitude search>).
01:19<larsie>thx guys for hlping newb like me ^ ^
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01:26<bgupta>Anyone know what the kfreebsd IRC channel is?
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01:27<gsimmons>bgupta: For the Debian GNU/kFreeBSD port? #debian-kbsd on this network.
01:27<bgupta>yep thanks!
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03:01<lancelot_of>hi all
03:01<lancelot_of>is it possible to recover a lost source .tex file from the .pdf output?
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03:01<lancelot_of>it's to say....how to convert, if possible, a pdf into a tex file?
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03:13<Gathond>lancelot_of: not in the general case
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03:16<Appl6>lancelot_of: Sorry if this is kind of silly, but you could "ls -A" the directory and see if there are swap files or backups in it.
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03:16<Gathond>or check (if it is emacs or vim you use) whether the backup files location contain anything.
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03:21<lancelot_of>i've no source 'cause it was lost from another machine disk format
03:21<lancelot_of>now on my present machine i've only the pdf
03:22<jmm>lancelot_of: ENOLUCK.
03:23<jmm>I guess you can get back the text, but you'll have to redo the latex part manually.
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03:29<snogglethorpe>EYOULOSE?
03:29<snogglethorpe>EGAMEOVER?
03:29<jmm>haha :)
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03:54<debuser198>kann mir bitte einer Helfen bei der Konfiguration meines Touchscreens ?
03:55<jm_>!de
03:55<dpkg>Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de).
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03:56<debuser198>hallo
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04:11<pjoshi>Hi, anyone configured cacti for monitoring CISCO ASA 5505. I managed to configure interfaces on cacti but can't see graph. I guess its the templates issue.
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04:19<gaurav>how
04:19<gaurav>to recover the delted files
04:19<gaurav>in karmic kola
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04:20<@Ganneff>!ubuntu
04:20<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
04:20<weasel>(also you probably don't)
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04:23<gaurav>how can recover the delted files
04:23<@Ganneff>gaurav: read what dpkg wrote, you are wrong here.
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04:25<Kenshin>sup
04:25<Kenshin>anyone up still?
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04:25<Kenshin>anyone played any newer games that have run on debian on wine?
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04:33<pjoshi>no one for CACTI ??
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05:11<jorge>how can i change my icons to the default ones on debian
05:11<azeem_>jorge: depends on how you changed them to the non-default ones in the first place, I'd say
05:12<Wilduck>So, I just tried to install a local .deb package with dpkg -i something.deb. I'm pretty sure it was successfull, however, when I try to run something, bash says the command doesn't exist. Still a dpkg -l | grep something lists it as existing... What am I doing wrong here?
05:12<jorge>no i downloaded some from the net, and the default ones are not on my system anymore >S
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05:13<azeem_>jorge: how did you install those from the net?
05:14<jorge>i downloaded a package from gnome art work site
05:14<jorge>something like that, and than i opened the apperance setting and throwed them inside.. it instaled it and done.
05:14<petemc>Wilduck: did you not look at the screen as you were installing it? try aptitude -f install
05:14<jm_>Wilduck: try hash -r
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05:15<Pragat>hi...
05:16<Pragat>I have made a custom iso using remastersys, i want set it up in such a way that remastersys is uninstalled after someone installs from the ISO
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05:25<prem>jorge, try selecting the other existing themes..
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05:27<prem>and if that didnt change the icon theme.,customise the existing theme and change the icon theme alone..
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06:36<chitchat>Hi all, pardon the newbie question, but I'm a bit confused by Debian versioning. Can anyone please help? I have Lenny 5. I am trying to upgrade to a recent kernel but apt-get upgrade and apt-get dist-upgrade say that 2.6.26-2 is the latest available. Am I doing something wrong?
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06:38<jm_>chitchat: no
06:39<chitchat>jm_: So how do I upgrade to a version which will install a recent kernel?
06:40<jm_>chitchat: this is the latest available kernel in the stable release, backports has newer if you want that
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06:40<chitchat>jm_: backports? Sorry if that's a dumb question
06:40<jm_>!tell chitchat -about backports
06:41<krasi>hi all
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06:41<krasi>how i can flush dns cache on my debian system ?
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06:43<chitchat>Thanks, jm_. The problem I have is that I need a particular driver for a dvb usb stick that's only available on a recent kernel. So what's the best way to make this happen under Debian (short of downloading a kernel source and compiling it myself)?
06:43<jm_>chitchat: use a kernel from backports
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06:47<themill>krasi: unless you installed one yourself, there normally isn't a dns cache
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06:48<krasi>do you meen everytime the resolver send queries to root dns servers and nothing is cached ?
06:48<themill>krasi: individual applications frequently cache requests.
06:49<themill>krasi: your network would normally have a caching dns server on it, however, and that is what your debian installation should be using
06:49<weasel>unless you installed one you don't have a recursive resolver on your system.
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06:50<jorge>were can i download the default debian lenny 5 icon pack ?
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06:51<krasi>if i install bind9 , i need to edit resolv.conf and add line : nameserver lo , IS that right ?
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06:51<weasel>127.0.0.1
06:51<weasel>not lo
06:51<krasi>thanx
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06:51<weasel>if you have resolvconf installed, it might even do that for you
06:52<krasi>i dont have
06:53<themill>krasi: there are other, simpler caching nameservers available in debian that you might prefer to bind9.
06:53<weasel>bind9 still is a good choice
06:54<krasi>I want to test it
06:56<chitchat>jm_: I've been reading up on backports. I've added the extra line to sources.list but I don't know how to specify the driver. Is there a search?
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06:57<lmc>hello, everybody. Can someone here please tell me if forwarding emails to root@localhost somewhere sane (like the system administrator's distribuition list) is considered a best practice in linux system administration?
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06:58<azeem_>lmc: sure
06:58<jm_>chitchat: you install a kernel package, not a driver
06:58<lmc>I'm looking for (possibly Debian maintained) documentation stating that explicitly as a "best practice", so I can use that as an argument to force my system administrators to read the emails to root@localhost in all boxes in our company.
06:58<lmc>azeem_: maybe you can point me to Debian Policies stating that explicitly?
06:58<azeem_>lmc: well, I don't think it's Debian specific
06:58<azeem_>it's a well known admin principle I thought
06:58<lmc>azeem_: any generally accepted best practices source would be good enough. :)
06:59<azeem_>from Debian's POV, it's local admin policy
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06:59<lmc>azeem_: what do you mean by "local admin policy"?
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07:02<azeem_>lmc: Debian does not impose and policy on this and expects the local admins to handle it (sanely)
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07:04<lmc>azeem_: thank you for the explanation. :)
07:04<lmc>I guess I need to look somewhere else for the documental evidence I need to make this fly.
07:04<chitchat>jm_: Sorry, I still don't get it. backports.org has a number of kernel packages, all of 2.6.26. I don't understand how that helps me?
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07:04<azeem_>man etc-aliases says "You should at least set up an alias for postmaster in the /etc/aliases file."
07:04<jm_>lmc: debian default (at least for exim) is to forward mail for root to a user account you specify
07:04<azeem_>oh right, I think it's a debconf question
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07:05<jm_>chitchat: no, it has 2.6.32, see this one for example http://packages.debian.org/lenny-backports/linux-image-2.6.32-bpo.3-686
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07:07<lmc>jm_: thank you for the lead. I need actually something a bit more strong as an argument than a "nice default".
07:08<azeem_>well, it's not Debian specific as I said, try to find something on the net
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07:42<Tuplad>hello! I'm not sure if this is the appropriate chanel to ask this in but... I'm running Debian and would like to install Windows to dual boot... I just downloaded WinXP SP3 iso file and would like to boot it from an usb stick to install it, is that possible with unetbootin?
07:42<vyacheslav>don't know
07:43<BlackFate>not the best channel to ask
07:43<jm_>Tuplad: probably ask in Windows related channels, but I guess not - for win7 microsoft has USB boot creator tool
07:44<Tuplad>jm_: alright, thanks!
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07:56<chitchat>jm_: Thanks so much for your help. With your advice, I managed to work it out and it's all good.
07:57<jm_>chitchat: no worries
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08:01<fortuik>hello, does anybody use ganeti with kvm? i have several network questions :)
08:01<azeem_>what is ganeti?
08:02<fortuik>http://code.google.com/p/ganeti/
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08:07<dbvolio>who knows how to configure webmin after installation?
08:07<dbvolio>plss
08:07<dbvolio>need help:((
08:08<jm_>dbvolio: webmin is no longer in Debian
08:09<dbvolio>??
08:09<dbvolio>how
08:09<dbvolio>i have found script
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08:10<dbvolio>http://jusch.ch/dokus/debiananwenderhandbuch.de/bilder/webmin/webmin-konfig.png
08:10<azeem_>dbvolio: webmin is not supported here
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08:11<dbvolio>oooo
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08:11<dbvolio>got it now:d
08:11<dbvolio>but still could you help?
08:13<azeem_>14:10 < azeem_> dbvolio: webmin is not supported here
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08:16<the-dude>*g*
08:17<the-dude>!webmin
08:17<dpkg>Webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." See http://bugs.debian.org/343897 about the removal from Debian. Don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality.
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08:50<dbvolio>why?
08:50<dbvolio>not use webmin?
08:50<dbvolio>it's too vulnerable??
08:50<dbvolio>your advice!
08:51<dbvolio>need something free:DDD
08:51<jm_>!control panel
08:52<dbvolio>control panel what?
08:52<jm_>!free whcp
08:52<dpkg>FOSS Web Hosting Control Panels include: <DTC>, <GNUPanel>, <ISPConfig>, <ispCP Omega> and <RavenCore>. Don't use <Webmin>.
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08:53<dbvolio>they're all free?
08:53<dbvolio>loicense free:d
08:53<jm_>ask dpkg about them via /msg
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08:54<dbvolio>i want to ask you people not dkpd
08:54<dbvolio>*dkpg
08:54<jordanm>who do you think gives dpkg his facts?
08:55<dbvolio>oh
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08:58<themill>jordanm: what... are you telling me that dpkg isn't actually a sentient, omniscient lifeform attached to irc via a prototype neural probe?
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09:00<dbvolio>whatis the best of all posted by dpkg??:D
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09:02<jordanm>themill: shhh, people might find out about the master plan!
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09:02<themill>oops!
09:02<dbvolio>oi
09:02<dbvolio>question
09:02<dbvolio>whatis the best of all posted by dpkg??:D
09:03<maikel>webmin obviously
09:03<dbvolio>lol
09:03<themill>dbvolio: you'll have to work that out for yourself.
09:03<dbvolio>you said that webmin is bullshit
09:04<azeem_>it is
09:04<azeem_>the dpkg factoid about it is the best, though
09:04<maikel>^
09:04<dbvolio>lol
09:04<jordanm>!start a distro war
09:04<dpkg>Debian Rulz
09:04<dbvolio>so what control panel should i install??
09:04<azeem_>dbvolio: /msg dpkg free whcp
09:05<themill>dbvolio: all of them one at a time and then decide.
09:05<the-dude>dbvolio: just try them and see what you like
09:05<dbvolio>k thnks
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09:07<Aleric>lsmod tells me that 'nvida' is loaded... how can I see the full path of the module that is loaded?
09:07<Aleric>nvidia*
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09:08<jordanm>Aleric: /lib/modules/$(uname -r)
09:08<llutz>modprobe -l nvidia*
09:09<nima_>Anybody from Sydney here?
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09:35<marius>hello
09:35<marius>how do I restart scgi?
09:35<marius>django runs on it
09:35<marius>:(
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09:37<jordanm>you wouldn't restart "scgi"... more like the http server that handles the scgi
09:38<marius>well ain't there any "kill" thing?
09:38<marius>huh
09:38<jordanm>marius: what http server are you using?
09:38<marius>cherokee
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09:39<marius>and when I restart it django shows no changes so it's clear that scgi doesn't restart along with the server
09:39<marius>I guess
09:39<jordanm>marius: invoke-rc.d cherokee restart
09:40<llutz>btw is there a cherokee-1.0.0 deb for lenny?
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09:40<jordanm>,versions cherokee
09:40<judd>cherokee -- etch: 0.5.5.dfsg-2; lenny: 0.7.2-4; squeeze: 0.99.44-1; sid: 1.0.0-1
09:41<jordanm>!ssb
09:41<dpkg>First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. If you are just wanting to change the compilation options, ask me about <package recompile>, or see <uupdate> if sid is too old
09:41<jordanm>llutz: might be possible to backport it
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09:41<llutz>jordanm: seems i have to try that ...
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09:41<marius>ok, I restarted it that way
09:42<marius>but no change
09:42<marius>changes only appear at system reboot
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09:44<marius>anyone knows what this thing means...
09:44<marius>python /home/marius/social/red/manage.py runfcgi protocol=scgi host=127.0.0.1 port=38653
09:44<marius>?
09:44<marius>runfcgi...well is this app runing on fcgi or scgi? I'm lost
09:44<marius>"runfcgi protocol=scgi"
09:44<marius>?
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09:45<bremner>marius: personally, I have no idea what that is, but I guess you didn't install it from debian
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09:47<bremner>oh, I see I missed some context.
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09:48<marius>well...it's ubuntu...i heard it's quite similar...maybe
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09:48<bremner>!tell marius -about ubuntu
09:49<marius>:p thanks
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09:54<Eu>HOLA
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09:55<Metrahla>why cant i get to load videos on you tube, even after installing flash player?
09:55<Eu>BYE
09:55<teknoz>where can I find help on installing Nagios? the online help I've found isn't very helpful to a beginner of linux.
09:55<Eu>BYE
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09:57<Metrahla>(when i had the debian fresh install.. unfortonatly i ignored the 1st box.. that whould automaticly install the player..)
09:57<themill>dpkg: tell Metrahla about adobe flash
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09:57<marius>what's that debian policy
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09:58<marius>?
09:58<Metrahla>!adobe flash
09:58<dpkg>Adobe Flash Player is <non-free> and cannot be in a stable Debian release, as Adobe doesn't provide security support for older versions (see http://bugs.debian.org/457291). The easiest way to install flash is with the flashplayer-mozilla package from <debian-multimedia.org>; there is also a flashplugin-nonfree <contrib> package for sid and backports.org users. Ask me about <dmm> <bpo> <non-free>. http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer
09:58<themill>dpkg: tell marius about policy
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09:58<Metrahla>but can i get to load videos .. on debian somehow?
09:59<themill>yes... follow those instructions that dpkg has given you.
09:59<Metrahla>maybe not withe epiphany ?
09:59<Metrahla>k
09:59<Metrahla>ty
10:00<Metrahla>oh...the flash plug in non free, yes i did that, ok debian wikio
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10:00<Metrahla>followed the steps
10:02<Metrahla>!non free
10:02<ml|>dpkg: msg the bot
10:02<dpkg>Please message the bot... not doing so could be considered an unnecessary flood. Instead of typing "!tell <your nick> about <topic>" you can just type "/msg dpkg <topic>". See also <selftell>. Also visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively use the factoids database, or ask me about <bot help> <help>
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10:03<ml|>Metrahla: /msg dpkg non-free
10:03<Metrahla>k
10:07<Metrahla>is debian for more advanced users? comparing to ubuntu ?
10:07<marius> how can I enter the django channel? I registered the nickname and confirmed. now what?
10:07<marius>how do I "login"
10:10<bremner> marius /join #channelname
10:10<dbldtx>Metrahla; this room is sort of slow but if you can wait for 15 minute or more sometimes, there's a WEALTH of knowledge here. VERY large community. I really suck at Linux but have never installed Ubuntu. I've had Debian as my desktop OS since before Ubuntu existed...
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10:12<Metrahla>dbldtx, i installed debian because i got a lap with only 256 megabytes :) however i noticed that ubuntu 9.04 was having very fast performances too, how ever im positvive the debian is lighter ?
10:12<dbldtx>Metrahla; ...in my opinion, if you use Debian in place of Ubuntu, you end up learning much more about Linux, the underlying system. Debian and Ubuntu use the same software packages (.deb files) and both use the ideas of Software Repositories and the way in which they install software, so they're very similar. In my experience, if you learn Debian, you know Ubuntu but not quite the other way around. It's like if you know Ubuntu, you are
10:13<dbldtx>Metrahla; for your purposes, what's going to matter is what is installed on it. The packages, and not the distro. Any Linux distro, with a light window manager and some minimalistic tweaks, will make that laptop fly.
10:13<Metrahla>(the deiban wikis are great)
10:13<Metrahla>k
10:14<dbldtx>I just have IceWM on Debian Squeeze, on an old Compaq Presario laptop.
10:14<locklace>!tell Metrahla about why debian
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10:14<dbldtx>Metrahla, if you're looking to make your shitty laptop run, configuring a minimalistic Debian install is a shit-storm of fun just waiting to be had, and you'll learn so much.
10:14<Metrahla>dbldtx, the WM can make a signigicant diff? .. maybe it whould help too when im going to run Vbox?/
10:15<ml|>Metrahla: you may want to ask dpkg about <based on debian> and <ubuntu>
10:15<Metrahla>maybe on glx gears too.. could make a diff
10:15<Metrahla>k
10:15<dbldtx>Running virtualbox, wine, that's just resource-hungry stuff... running resource hungry programs in virtualbox will be hard...
10:16<locklace>i think you've hit on the debian project's new slogan
10:16<locklace>"Debian: a shit-storm of fun"
10:16<dbldtx>...but the operating system itself, file manager, window manager, can be very fast when configured well.
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10:16<Metrahla>dbldtx, im pretty glad the way XP has been running ;)
10:16<Metrahla>on vobx
10:16<Metrahla>vbox
10:18<Metrahla>dbldtx, yes.. specialy the DRI conf.. ? and the 3d driver...
10:18<Metrahla>:S..
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10:19<dbldtx>Yeah, better than XP by itself, right? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_X_window_managers Pick any window manager from Enlightenment DOWN (V) on that list to speed up your chumbucket of a POS system... those are way faster than GNOME, KDE, even XFCE4 isn't as faster-izing for your laptop... and those bulkier desktop environments aren't quite the shitstorm of fun to configure that the Window Managers are
10:19<quhan>hello, is there someone tell me how to run a https_proxy server use squid in debian?
10:20<Metrahla>k dbldtx :)
10:20<fnmueller>awesome with lxde rules
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10:20<dbldtx>I stick with Debian because 1) it's what I've been on forever even though I suck at it... and 2) Friends that have Ubuntu, I can fix their problems easier than I can fix my own but they have trouble getting around on my machine.
10:21<quhan>hello, is there someone tell me how to run a https_proxy server use squid in debian??
10:21<locklace>!repeat
10:21<dpkg>Please don't immediately repeat your question if no one answers it. If no one answers, that means that either no one knows the answer to your question, no one is willing to answer it, or you haven't provided enough information. Ask me about <ask> or <sicco> if you need help phrasing your question. If you don't get an answer here, go ahead and try asking your question on debian-user@lists.debian.org
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10:24<quhan>is there somebody use opera 10.53 in debian?
10:24<quhan>I can use input method in this program, but all the others is ok
10:25<quhan>I can't use input method in opera 10.53
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10:35<stuckey>Hello
10:35<stuckey>How can I see which packages I have installed from sid?
10:36<azeem_>apt-show-versions
10:36<stuckey>grpe sid?
10:37<stuckey>Ah okay good
10:37<azeem_>grpe?
10:37<stuckey>haha, grep
10:37<azeem_>dunno, never used it
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10:38<themill>stuckey: abrotman says "You shouldn't have any installed from sid"
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10:39<stuckey>Then abrotman should implement a better way of getting nvidia drivers.
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10:40<azeem_>stuckey: abrotman says you shouldn't buy shitty hardware
10:40<petemc>abrotman also says you wont be getting support for your sid packages
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10:41<petemc>then he sat on a cake
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10:45<fsjal>Ubuntu is better then Debian.
10:45<fsjal>Bigger community, better support, latest updates, more stable etc.
10:45*dbldtx scoffs and lights his pipe.
10:46<fsjal>Debian is trying for nothing. We Ubuntu developers laugh at Debian developers and their work.
10:46<themill>fsjal: perhaps you want #linux or #moocows.
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10:46<fsjal>Whats wrong themill ? Do my words hurt you ?
10:47-!-mode/#debian [+q *!*@79.16.39.114] by ChanServ
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10:47<stuckey>I tried 10.4 beta. Grub 2 didn't work... and after I fixed that, the bloat necessitated that I wait 90 seconds to see a desktop -- and that was with an ssd.
10:47<themill>fsjal: this isn't a discussion channel, it's a user support channel. Please be more signal and less noise in the future
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11:11<hever>Hello, I'm trying to get a virtual machine internet access. I'm using this script/config: http://pastebin.com/VnpRwnyL. It's currently not working. I can ping my external IP but no nameserver or gateway on the local network. Is it a problem that 192.168.178.100 and my external IP 128.176.162.xx are not on the same net?
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11:29<criacuervo>yes
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11:38<jespada>Hi guys...I had problems with etch ..I'm trying to install tomcat but
11:39<jespada>I had this error
11:39<jespada>Depends: libtcnative-1 (>= 1.1.20) but it is not going to be installed
11:39<jespada>any ideas?
11:39<themill>jespada: sounds a lot like a mixture of etch and lenny
11:40<jespada>yea is true
11:40<themill>or rather etch and sid ;(
11:41<themill>jespada: pick one release and stick to it... lenny is the current stable release and is the only thing you should consider running on a server.
11:42<jespada>yeap cause libtcnative-1.1.20 is in testing
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11:43<jespada>I know..thanks for the advise themill ..the thing is that this servers was already installed when I put my hands on it
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11:43<themill>:( bad luck
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11:45<Samuel_>Anyone know where I can find a HOWTO to make debian packages without source code? All the HOWTOs I seem to find on the internet require source files, and building, but I neither have source, nor a binary because I just want to package some PPD files.
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11:46<old>Samuel_: #debian-mentors may be helpful.
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11:46<usuario>ola
11:47<themill>!ubuntu-es usuario
11:47<dpkg>usuario: Ubuntu esta basado en Debian, pero no es Debian, y dificilmente tendra los estandares de Debian. Solo Debian es soportado en #debian. Por favor conectese a #ubuntu-es en irc.freenode.net Ahi recibira mas soporte.
11:47<usuario>ola
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12:00<Anita>quien eres
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12:00<Anita>who your are?
12:01<muzy>?
12:01<Anita>quien eres
12:01<themill>!es-social Anita
12:01<dpkg>Anita: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador por favor ingresa al canal social de #debian-es con /join #debian-es-cachondeo. Tus amigos probablemente ya esten ahi.
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12:02<Anita>no te entiendo
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12:02<Anita>de donde sois?
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12:03<Anita>como te llamas
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12:03<jespada>Anita tienes que ingresar a otro canal por favor
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12:04<debacle>Hi all, I'm planning to buy a new sata controller. It's based on SiI3132 chipset. How can i know if it works under debian lenny ?
12:05<jordanm>debacle: if you can get the pciid, you can look it up on kmuto or using our judd bot
12:05<themill>,pciid 1095:3132
12:05<judd>[1095:3132] is 'SiI 3132 Serial ATA Raid II Controller' from 'Silicon Image, Inc.' with kernel module 'sata_sil24' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1095:3132
12:05<themill>So there's a kernel module that claims to be able to work it, but ymmv
12:06<debacle>this place id always the best place to ask for help ! thank you to all !!
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12:42<Guest651>how will i use a chat here if my chat neighbor is on yahoo mesenger?
12:43<Guest651>please answer me
12:43<Guest651>asap
12:43<darrob>i don't understand
12:43<darrob>somebody with yahoo messenger wants to connect to irc?
12:44<Guest651>no
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12:44<Guest651>i want to connect to yahoo messnegr
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12:44<themill>!knoppix
12:44<dpkg>Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek Knoppix help in freenode's #knoppix. Knoppix is a live CD distribution which is <based on Debian>, useful as a rescue CD, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it isn't Debian. http://www.knoppix.com/ unofficial: http://Debian-knoppix.alioth.Debian.org/ <Debian-live> is the Debian equivalent for publishing live systems.
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12:46<@zobel>Guest651: you might want to look if pidgin can speak with yahoo messanger
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12:47<retrospectacus>Guest651: you will need a Yahoo messenger account. Use the pidgin program to chat with Yahoos
12:48<jordanm>Guest651: you also need the version pidgin from lenny-backports
12:48<themill>not if you're running knoppix you don't
12:49<Guest651>whats pigin?
12:49<jordanm>themill: how did you determine that? CTCP VERSION?
12:49<dbldtx>!qotd0
12:49<dpkg>< stumbles> nvz: in that case I seem to have a whole lot of packages that i have accidentally upgraded to unstable - is there a 1 liner i can use to downgrade them all to testing?
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12:49<Guest651>i have to install pidgin so i could chat with yahoo messenger?
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12:50<retrospectacus>Guest651: you could also use a web chat site like meebo.com
12:50<jordanm>Guest651: apparently you are in the wrong channel
12:50<Guest651>wait ill try
12:50<Guest651>im using knoppix now
12:50<Guest651>:)
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12:51<retrospectacus>Guest651: this channel supports Debian only.
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12:52<Guest651>can i use my yahoo messenger to meebo?
12:52<Guest651>or i still have to sign up?
12:52<retrospectacus>I don't know...
12:52<mjt>what ppl use for hotkeys to work (not in gnome)? Some app that watches for keyboard and handles certain kery combinations...
12:52<retrospectacus>if you want to chat on YM you need a YM account
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12:56<amphi>mjt: xbindkeys
12:56<mjt>i found keylaunch
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12:58<Guest651>in knoppix
12:58<Guest651>i know hopw to use a ym
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13:20<la>yaya
13:21<la>jajajaja
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13:21<themill>!es-social la
13:21<dpkg>la: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador por favor ingresa al canal social de #debian-es con /join #debian-es-cachondeo. Tus amigos probablemente ya esten ahi.
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13:35<mansi>hey friends, i need to prevent dhclient from modifying my resollv.conf
13:35<mansi>how can i do it?
13:35<llutz>mansi: edit dhclient.conf
13:36<themill>mansi: why, specifically, do you want that?
13:36<mansi>Actually I need to use google dns 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4 instead of local isp dns, which is very slow
13:36<themill>!override dns
13:36<dpkg>To instruct dhclient to use your specified nameserver rather than the one given to you by your DHCP server, echo "supersede domain-name-servers a.b.c.d, e.f.g.h;" >> /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf, or see man 5 dhclient.conf for more information. Instead of supersede, you can also use "prepend" or "append" to add nameservers.
13:37<mansi>my router is automatically setting nameserver as 192.168.1.1 which is not prperly working
13:37<mansi>and i cannot modify reouter settings
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13:37<mansi>thanks llutz and themill :)
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13:38<themill>np
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13:54<retroj>hi... i'm not quite sure where to ask this question, but i'm having a problem with apt-file... http://pastie.org/957375
13:54<retroj>anybody have any ideas?
13:55<jordanm>retroj: I suggest changing your sources from ftp to http
13:56<retroj>jordanm: ok, i'll try.. thanks
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14:26<My-Computer>I need to install this file: iP2600_debian.tgz what is the syntax for this type of file in konsole
14:26<retrospectacus>tar -zxvf iP2600_debian.tgz
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14:28<retrospectacus>will unpack it, you would then need to do something else to install it
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14:28<jordanm>typically find instructions called "INSTALL"... but this generally a bad way to install software
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14:29<BORJ>HOLA USTEDES HABLAR ESPANOL
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14:29<dr|z3d>!es
14:29<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat
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14:30<BORJ>OLLE VOSOTROS QUE SOIS TELEOPERADORES O QUE
14:30<BORJ>O SOIS NIÑOS
14:30<BORJ>NORMALES
14:31<BORJ>HELLO
14:31<jordanm>!es
14:31<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat
14:31-!-mode/#debian [+q BORJ!*@*] by zobel
14:32<dr|z3d>!ops please to guide BORJ out of the zone.
14:32<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: dr|z3d complains about: please to guide BORJ out of the zone.
14:32<@zobel>dr|z3d: already done
14:32<dr|z3d>zobel: laggy me. thanks. :)
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14:51<miguel000>somehow I managed to turn off key-repetition :( . So when i press one key on my keyboard its only sent once, .. any idea how to get it back?
14:52<weasel>xset r on?
14:52<miguel000>I never typed anythiong like that
14:53<miguel000>however.. it fixed my problem
14:53<miguel000>thank you
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15:12<lohne>hi, i just downloaded the newest debian-testing-amd64 image, i want to install a dual boot for 32 bit and 64 bit system. i burned the image, and started the installer, but when it came to the mount cdrom part, it failed. it said it could not mount the cdrom. after i rebooted i tried to manually mount the cdrom, and i got this message: mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hda, missing codepage or helper program, or other error. dmesg
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15:15<knoppix_>hola
15:16<locklace>!slap knoppix_
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15:16<Guest668>hello
15:16<retrospectacus>!lart Guest668
15:16*dpkg pours hot grits down the front of Guest668's pants
15:16<Guest668>jf
15:17<Guest668>jjj
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15:17<lohne>do you think the error is the new image, or did the buring process distroy my cdrom? i tried to burn one more copy and i got an error message from brassero
15:18<old>lohne: Do checksums match?
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15:22<lohne>old, i'm not sure how to check that. sorry
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15:24<old>lohne: There should be MD5SUMS oa SHA1SUMS files In the place where you get your images from. Run a check against the image you've downloaded.
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15:26<lohne>yes, they match
15:27<old>lohne: Well, then probably it's the image which is invalid or... one moment, please.
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15:29<lohne>this is the image i downloaded: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/amd64/iso-cd/debian-testing-amd64-CD-1.iso
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15:30<ml|>if you really want to use testing, use lenny installer and then after, move to testing
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15:30<old>lohne: No, They should be right. I've used them recently, and the systems still works, so the problem is not here.
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15:31<lohne>i was wondering if i should try the lenny image, but i have only one cd left, and shops are closed, so i want to see where the error is before i try that
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15:32<lohne>unfortunally i don't have any working cds i can check if mount works
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15:32<old>lohne: It's good to have couple of CD-RW's around. Back to the issue: Maybe people from $debian-cd will help.
15:33<ali_>Does anyone know how to change the shell prompt for screen sessions?
15:33<old>lohne: You can use loopback to check if it works.
15:33<lohne>old, yes i bought 3, but tried to burn two already :)
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15:35<lohne>yes, that works
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15:35<old>ali_: Does screen change the $PS1 variable, which is used for prompt?
15:35<lohne>so probably my cdrom doesn't work anymore
15:36<ali_>old: yeah, it defaults to just 'bash'
15:36<old>lohne: Is it sata or scsi? I had some problems with these earlier...
15:37<lohne>i guess sata, but i'm not sure. it always worked before, so i don't have so much knowledge about my cdrom-hardware. i have a dell xps m1530 laptop
15:38<lohne>i read something about disableing DMR or something like that for the cdrom-device, but i didn't try any of that out
15:38<old>ali_: So either the prompt can be set in screens configuration, or screen uses bash with --posix switch.
15:39<ali_>old: Whats the variable in the ~/.screerc to set the prompt. It doesn't seem to like the bashrc 'PS1='
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15:42<old>ali_: I do not know, maybe just 'prompt'. Does man say something about it?
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15:45<valdyn>ali_: screen does not set the bash prompt
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15:45<ml|>screen should use what you have set in .*rc for prompt
15:45<valdyn>ali_: that would be utterly pointless when .bashrc is read later and *also* sets the prompt
15:47<ali_>valdyn: The problem is isn't not the same as the bashrc prompt
15:47<valdyn>ali_: why would bash know the difference between running in screen and not running in screen?
15:48<jordanm>.screenrc might be able to change it
15:48<ali_>valdyn: I have no idea. But it seems too
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15:49<ml|>try source ~/.bashrc but should be working without doing that
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15:49<valdyn>since .bashrc is evaluated later than .screenrc, whatever PS1 screenrc might be setting gets overwritten
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15:50<ali_>ml: That works. I wonder why it's not doing it automatically
15:50<jordanm>valdyn: isn't bashrc only sourced on login(1)?
15:50<valdyn>jordanm: .profile is only sourced on login
15:50<ml|>did you change anything in .bashrc since login?
15:51<ali_>ml: nope
15:52<valdyn>ali_: how and where is screen started?
15:53<ali_>valdyn: just 'screen' from the terminal
15:54<valdyn>ali_: maybe its not really bash
15:55<valdyn>ali_: but a shell that can parse ~/.bashrc, if that exists
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15:55<valdyn>ali_: for all i know debians bash will always source .bashrc automagically anyway
15:56<jordanm>valdyn: last night I had trouble getting .bashrc changes to take.. I had to throw my changes in bash_profile
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15:56<ml|>did you just install and started using screen?
15:56<jordanm>I assumed it was because bashrc was only sourced at login
15:56<locklace>jordanm: you have to understand bash's brain-damaged startup file handling
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15:56<locklace>jordanm: or, you know, switch to a real shell like zsh
15:56<ml|>heh
15:57<ml|>dpkg: love zsh
15:57*dpkg makes love to zsh, caressing zsh's hair, whispering sweet nothings in zsh's ear...
15:59<lohne>there was also an error during the install: FATAL Module i82365 not found. can this have anything to do with my problem? it was just before it tried to mount the cdrom
15:59<valdyn>lohne: you shouldnt be using a testing installer
15:59<valdyn>lohne: stock lenny or
15:59<valdyn>!kmuto
15:59<dpkg>For Debian Lenny installers with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ . The <bnx2> and <bnx2x> firmware files for Linux 2.6.32 are included in 0116 images.
15:59<lohne>i'm downloading lenny image now
16:00<valdyn>lohne: kmuto for newer hardware.
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16:03<lohne>well, debian-testing-i386 worked very well. that's why i tried to download it for amd64 as well.
16:04<lohne>i'll come back if lenny image doesn't work either. thanks for you help so far
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16:06<lohne>and it that doesn't work, i'll try go to get to to boot the installer from grub :)
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16:14<elisabeth_>hi guys
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16:16<lohne>however, it seems like the cdrom is the problem. why can't i mount the cdrom? it shouldn't have anything to do with the image beeing testing or stable? it's confusing. since i can boot from the cd it must mean that it was burned correctly?
16:16<va>elisabeth_, hi
16:16<elisabeth_>?
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16:16<elisabeth_>bob
16:17<locklace>elisabeth_: do you have a debian question
16:17<elisabeth_>Do you know about Juan hansing?
16:17<locklace>elisabeth_: then leave. don't start this shit again
16:17<elisabeth_>right then losers bye :)
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16:17<elisabeth_>thx for remmbering me tho
16:18<locklace>!lart elisabeth_
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16:18<dr|z3d>elisbeth is bob. ho hoh *stab* ho.
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16:28<centyx>looking at the output of debsecan, I'm wondering, why are there so many vulnerable packages included in the default install?
16:29<centyx>or why haven't they been fixed, if they became vulnerable later. i thought there was pretty quick turnaround on that stuff.
16:29<centyx>not became vulnerable, were discovered, you know what i mean
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16:30<jordanm>centyx: if you have not configured debsecscan you could be looking at bugs only found in testing/sid
16:30<centyx>jordanm: i did dpkg-reconfigure debsecan and told it lenny
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16:33<jorge>my current repository is broken, how do i change it ? its not possible to connect to debian.netvisao.pt :S
16:33<BiggFREE>Hi
16:33<jordanm>!sources
16:33<dpkg>The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian lenny main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <lenny security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list
16:34<old>BiggFREE: Hello.
16:35<centyx>jordanm: oh well, it's just a little shocking. I wonder how that compares to other distros ( probably better or about the same ).
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16:41<jorge>jordanm
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16:41<jorge>http://pastebin.com/JLdjumXP
16:45<ml|>dpkg: mirrors
16:45<dpkg>rumour has it, debian mirrors is http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-spy> or <netselect-apt> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ or http://lists.debian.org/debian-mirrors/, see also <debmirror>, <apt-mirror>, <mirror size>.
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16:45<ml|>jorge: try^ another mirror
16:45<jorge>:)
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16:46<argkde4>what server does apt-listbugs query
16:46<argkde4>?
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16:47<jorge>?? what ?
16:48<argkde4>Retrieving bug reports... 0% Fail
16:48<ml|>argkde4: from bts server
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16:50<ml|>seems bts is down
16:51<jorge>i can, use my old mirror again, but now i get a message saying it cannot be verified :::
16:51<jorge>install it anyway ?
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16:53<Guest683>Hola
16:53<ml|>jorge: pastebin the whole output
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16:54<jorge>ok
16:54<Guest683>Hello
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16:56<jorge>ml|, http://pastebin.org/227195
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16:56<jorge>unforantly on this instal im using portuguese language so, i translate it myself
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16:57<ml|>dpkg: localized errors
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16:57<dpkg>Rather than hoping that we recognise what has gone wrong from the error messages in your native language, please provide any error messages in English. You can do this by setting your locale to an English one (e.g. C) prior to running the command, e.g. LANG=C apt-get -f install
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17:00<ml|>jorge: did you get that before from that mirror?
17:00<jorge>no
17:01<jorge>first the mirror stoped working, 40minutes ago, and now its working, but keeps saying he cant verify the packages...
17:01<jorge>im trying to find out how to change my debian to english :S
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17:01<ml|>if I where you I'd use another mirror since it's giving you problems; but for that issue I don't know why you are getting that; read above what dpkg just said
17:02<aiux>!key
17:02<dpkg>Install the latest debian-archive-keyring package to get the latest GPG key used to sign the Debian archive.
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17:03<aiux>jorge, LANG=C aptitude install debian-archive-keyring
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17:04<jorge>done
17:04<jorge>what now ?
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17:06<ml|>jorge: still getting that error after that?
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17:06<jorge>no
17:07<jorge>what did we do ? the problem is gone :S
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17:09<ml|>wonder why that was not installed before; aptitude show debian-archive-keyring will explain
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17:10<jorge>shouldnt this be isntalled when i installed debian ???
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17:10<jorge>might be a problem whit the mirror i chose during the installation ???
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17:18<cesurasean>apt-get install x4ce is not working. what is the correct package name?
17:18<ml|>xfce4
17:19<cesurasean>ml|, thx
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17:48<cizarr>hello, anyone know why i cant see the configuration files when compiling bind9 ? no /etc/bind*
17:48<cesurasean>when i boot startx, my screen goes blank, and the monitor shuts down.
17:49<cesurasean>how do i successfully boot into x?
17:49<cesurasean>and/or fix my configuration?
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17:50<cesurasean>this is with xfce4 on an imac
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17:50<cesurasean>xfce4, on debian lenny on an imac.
17:51<jorge>!cairo-docl
17:51<jorge>!cairo-dock
17:51<dpkg>Cairo-Dock is a Mac OS X like themable animated dock (application launcher, optionally a taskbar) packaged for Squeeze. The repository.cairo-dock.org packages produced by the Cairo-Dock Team are not supported in #debian. Wiki: http://www.glx-dock.org/ww_page.php?lang=en http://www.glx-dock.org/ #cairo-dock on irc.freenode.net. See also <awn>.
17:51<jcurrey>Hello all, I am trying to install Xen with Lenny on an IA64 box, make world fails, I found the patch, but do not know how to install it, I have installed dpatch and would like to install just the one patch in the directory--can anyone help?
17:51<cesurasean>xorg-config command not found.
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17:56<jorge>http://www.glx-dock.org/ww_page.php?p=From%20the%20repository&lang=en it doesnt work :(
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17:58<ml|>cesurasean: /msg dpkg xstrikeforce should help
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18:06<cesurasean>ml|, that doesn't really offer much help.
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18:07<cesurasean>ml|, is there a channel besides xorg?
18:07<cesurasean>#xorg
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18:08<aiux>cesurasean, you breaking again your xorg.conf ?
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18:08<azeem_>cesurasean: check ~/.xsession-errors
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18:09<cesurasean>cannot register existing type '_PolkitError'
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18:42<debacle>Hi all, how can i know if "Jmicron JMB366" chpset is supported under debian lenny ? it's a sata to pcie chipset
18:43<jordanm>debacle: you need the kmuto installer and the backports kernel
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18:43<themill>,pciid 197b:2366
18:43<judd>[197b:2366] is 'JMB366 AHCI/IDE' from 'JMicron Technology Corp.' with kernel modules 'jmicron', 'ahci' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=197b:2366
18:44<jordanm>themill: I have the same chip... lenny d-i would not boot
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18:44<jordanm>debacle: try the default, fallback to kmuto if it does not work
18:44<themill>fair enough -- the module claiming it supports it isn't always definitive
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18:46<debacle>well, i do not need boot features. I only need this to add disks to my pc. Will it recongnize sata disks without building specific kernel modules ?
18:46<jordanm>being able to boot is a feature?
18:46<jordanm>...rather important feature
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18:48<debacle>jordanm: sorry ! I was thinking you mean tah i will not be able to foor from sata !!
18:48<jordanm>debacle: I don't understand your needs... it sounds like you want a livecd for maintence reasons?
18:48<debacle>jordanm: if i can't boot at all ... it's not a good controller !!
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18:50<debacle>jordanm: i only need to ad discs to my pc and i have no more sata ports. So i have to buy a sata controller. My reseller has this Jmicron based card. I didn't buy it first of checking for compatibility !
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18:51<jordanm>debacle: that should be fine. At the most you will just need to install kernel from backports
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18:52<debacle>jordanm: ohh no !! i prefer to stay away from backports. I'll update my debian ONLY if a new stable is out and only if i really need it !
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18:53<debacle>jordanm: anyway thank you for your help !
18:53<jordanm>debacle: np
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18:54<debacle>anyway it seems to be supported according to http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=197b:2366
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18:54<azeem_>00:44 < jordanm> themill: I have the same chip... lenny d-i would not boot
18:55<debacle>ok !
18:55<azeem_>yo debacle, btw
18:56<azeem_>wait, are you *the* debacle?
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18:57<debacle>azeem_: i think not, 'cause i'm not registered. I usually use this nick but ... i do not know what to say ... :-) May I ask you why ?
18:59<debacle>azeem_: ohh !! it's not me !
18:59<azeem_>ok
18:59<debacle>azeem_: i 'm sorry !
18:59<azeem_>no problem, he didn't register "debacle" as irc nick in the Debian LDAP anyway
19:00<azeem_>I was just confusing you two
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19:00<GhostlyDeath>debacle: You missed your chance to get worshipped
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19:02<cesurasean>the icons on the "start" menu do not seem to be active. once installed pidgin, and iceweasel, the "network" icon appeared.
19:02<cesurasean> also, gnash is installed and no youtube videos are being shown?
19:02<debacle>GhostlyDeath: :-) mmm ... shoud i say debacle it's me ? but debacle it's not me ! ... Well i think i need a psychiatre ! :-)
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19:27<midgard>hello from germany ;)
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19:34<Kenshin>hi everyone
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19:34<Kenshin>for some reason msn won't pop up in pidgin as an option, anyone have any insight into that?
19:36<old>Kenshin: Works for me. Maybe your Pidgin is missing a plug-in, or is too old.
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19:38<And1>Hey folks, is there a way I can use '/usr/sbin/invoke-rc.de $daemon' in /etc/sudoers?
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19:39<ema29>And1: I thought invoke-rc.d was just for maintainer scripts
19:40<And1>I heard it should soon be the default way to start/stop/restart daemons...
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19:42<azeem_>And1: where did you hear it?
19:43<And1>A friend of me told me.
19:44<And1>He's also debian maintainer and usually is very good informed. But maybe he misread something about that or so...
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19:44<deus>Is it possible to rmmod nouveau
19:45<themill>And1: yes you can use it in sudoers and yes it's a great way of starting and stopping daemons.
19:45<abrotman>deus: modprobe -r ?
19:45<themill>!invoke-rc.d
19:45<dpkg>from memory, invoke-rc.d is a way of starting or stopping daemons such as a mail server, cron, etc. invoke-rc.d has advantages over running the init script directly in that it is easier to tab complete, it will play nicely with dependency-based init systems like <insserv> and <upstart>. It can also be controlled with a <policy-rc.d> script. invoke-rc.d *must* be used in maintainer scripts -- see policy s9.3.3.2.
19:46<And1>themill: How would I use it? 'Cmnd_Alias FOO = /usr/sbin/invoke-rc.d $daemon' doesn't work.
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19:47<And1>themill: I get the error, user and1 is not allowed to start/stop/restart $daemon. (With /etc/init.d/ in sudoers, everything works fine, so I think it's not a problem with sudo itself?)
19:47<themill>And1: are you literally putting $daemon in there?
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19:48<And1>No, e.g. 'mpd'. Sorry, my girlfried is about to pick me up. I'll talk tomorrow to yoy again, ok? Good night everyone. :)
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19:48<themill>have fun
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19:48<deus>modprobe -r doesn't work, it reports module in use.
19:48<azeem_>deus: so it works
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19:49<deus>Im trying to get rid of it without reboot
19:49<deus>to go to the nvidia driver
19:50<azeem_>what is "it"?
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19:50<deus>nouveau module
19:50<azeem_>are you in X?
19:50<deus>no
19:50<azeem_>is gdm running?
19:51<deus>No
19:51<azeem_>what is using nouveau?
19:51<azeem_>lsmod | grep nouveau
19:51<deus>I think the normal cli
19:51<deus>Because the text is smaller
19:51<deus>and displayed on 2 moniters
19:51<azeem_>hrm?
19:51<deus>even in single user
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19:53<deus>I'll try exiting x again and killing or rmmoding all of the things reported by lsmod | grep nouveau
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19:55<Kenshin>do i need a certian plugin for msn to be shown as an option on pidgin?
19:56<jordanm>Kenshin: install the backports version
19:56<abrotman>what if he's on squeeze?
19:56<Kenshin>was that for me?
19:56<jordanm>abrotman: then the squeeze version should not have broken/missing MSN... AFAIK
19:56<Kenshin>i'm on 5.0.4 lenny
19:57<abrotman>!tell Kenshin about bpo
19:57<Kenshin>huh?
19:57<jordanm>Kenshin: read your PM from dpkg
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19:58<Kenshin>awesome, thx
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19:59<deus>Sadly attempting to kill or rmmod anything reported by lsmod | grep nouveau failed
19:59<deus>and rmmod -f nouveau made the display black
19:59<azeem_>what was using nouveau?
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20:00<deus>ttm,drm,drm_kms_helper,nouveau
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20:01<Kenshin>has anyone gotten f.e.a.r. 2 to work on debian?
20:01<azeem_>deus: sounds good
20:01<deus>it does?
20:02<azeem_>well, dunno
20:02<azeem_>let's try again
20:02<azeem_>what does "lsmod | grep ^nouveau" say?
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20:02<deus>Well Im now in X but , nouveau 521488 2
20:02<deus>ttm 46645 1 nouveau
20:02<deus>drm_kms_helper 23892 1 nouveau
20:02<deus>drm 161107 4 nouveau,ttm,drm_kms_helper
20:02<deus>i2c_algo_bit 5031 1 nouveau
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20:03<Kenshin>fear 2, anyone?
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20:03<deus>Sorry got kicked for posting that
20:03<azeem_>deus: did you forget the "^", maybe?
20:03<deus>Oh
20:04<deus>nouveau 521488 2
20:04<noahfinity>anyone have any opinions on software level firewalls on a debian box?
20:04<noahfinity>or is it all done by iptables?
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20:04<azeem_>deus: so you can't remove it it seems
20:05<deus>Yeah
20:05<azeem_>deus: what does "ps aux | grep bin.X | grep -v grep" say?
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20:06<deus>root 25033 2.0 0.9 123996 35804 tty8 S<s+ 18:57 0:09 /usr/bin/X -nolisten tcp
20:06<azeem_>so X is still running
20:06<azeem_>no wonder you can't remove it, eh?
20:06<noah>:P
20:06<deus>Well Im using it to use irc
20:07<azeem_>you can't have both
20:07<deus>I'll go quit x and use irssi but when I tried to rmmod it I exited x
20:07<azeem_>... unless you use irssi
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20:07<azeem_>gah
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20:15<deus>Back, nouveau is still running though because everything is being played on my secondary moniter
20:16<deus>and X is not
20:16<azeem_>did you check with "ps aux | grep bin.X | grep -v grep"?
20:16<noah>azeem_: is that last grep removing itself?
20:17<deus>It returns nothing
20:18<azeem_>then it looks like a reboot it coming up
20:18<azeem_>or maybe google a bit to see whether there's another way out of this
20:18<Kenshin>has anyone gotten F.E.A.R. 2 or just F.E.A.R. to run in debian?
20:18<Kenshin>under wine or smthin?
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20:19<deus>Aww, I can't use nouveau for verical moniters and nvidia for gaming
20:19<deus>Anyway thanks
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20:43<cesurasean>the icons on the start menu for squeeze appear as red X's on powerpc, any clue how to remedy this? only the network icon appears after ive installed pidgin, iceweasel, etc
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20:57<BiggFREE>Are all Desbian softwares can be used through VirtualBox ?
20:58<Zomb>.oO( For those who care about Desbians ) SCNR
20:59<jordanm>BiggFREE: assuming the software does not do something specific for hardware, yes
21:01<BiggFREE>I am just playing with the softwares
21:01<BiggFREE>Just listening them
21:02<BiggFREE>The hard ware is no important for me
21:02<BiggFREE>hardware
21:03<BiggFREE>Can I manage the pata_platform driver ?
21:03<BiggFREE>If yes ? How ?
21:04<dr|z3d>!enter
21:04<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
21:04<cesurasean>!douche
21:05<dr|z3d>!lart cesurasean
21:05*dpkg decapitates cesurasean conan the destroyer style
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21:06<cesurasean>dr|z3d, you have any clue about these darn icons not appearing?
21:06<BiggFREE>The system is working like I am not connected
21:06<dr|z3d>cesurasean: Tried restarting your DE?
21:06<BiggFREE>I can chat though
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21:07<cesurasean>dr|z3d, im going to restart the machine to see if that works.
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21:07<dr|z3d>cesurasean: Or just /etc/init.d/gdm restart
21:07<cesurasean>I'm not using gdm.
21:07<cesurasean>I'm running xfce4 on an older imac.
21:07<dr|z3d>Well, sure, reboot or kill xfce4-session or whatever.
21:08<dr|z3d>How do you login to Xfce?
21:08<cesurasean>dr|z3d, it may use gdm, not sure.
21:08<dr|z3d>Right. It _does_ use GDM.
21:09<BiggFREE>jordanm, ?????
21:09<cesurasean>sorry
21:09<cesurasean>it probably does the more i think about it. :)
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21:10<cesurasean>reloading x right now to see if those icons are still crap.
21:10<BiggFREE>jordanm, ????? Any solutions for my connection ?
21:10<cesurasean>yep. the icons are still missing.
21:10<dr|z3d>Ok, try a reboot. I suspect the same end result, but still.
21:11<cesurasean>same result
21:11<cesurasean>seems a regression has taken place
21:11<dr|z3d>Ok, locate your .desktop files and verify the specified icons are available on your system.
21:12<dr|z3d>You might just been missing a theme icon pack or somesuch.
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21:13<cesurasean>dr|z3d, where is .desktop usually located? inside my user dir?
21:13<cesurasean>i tried running find / -name, but too many results.
21:13<dr|z3d>cesurasean: locate *.desktop should give you hints :)
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21:14<cesurasean>cannot stat /var/lib/mlocate/mlocate.db No such file or directory
21:15<BiggFREE>jordanm, Thanks for now :)
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21:16<dr|z3d>cesurasean: Huh? You could try using Xfce's search facility.. I forget the name, it's rather obscure, alternatively.
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21:19<cesurasean>updatedb, then rerun the locate command
21:21<dr|z3d>okeydoke
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21:42<noah>is the debian ia64 dvd release from debian.org all i need to start a fresh install?
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21:43<abrotman>noah: do you have an itanium machine ?
21:44<noah>win7 l7 64bit
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21:44<noah>wait
21:44<noah>sorry
21:44<noah>it is..
21:44<abrotman>you want amd64
21:44<noah>sorry i was looking at the wrong info
21:45<abrotman>many people get confused .. not a big deal
21:45<abrotman>that's why they make CDRWs :)
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21:45<noah>actually it's on a laptop that is 64bit with an intel centrino 2..
21:45<abrotman>it's still amd64
21:46<noah>cool
21:46<noah>thanks
21:46<abrotman>noah: itanium is ia64 .. very specific architecture, very few home users have it .. not many businesses either
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21:47<noah>i'm new to 64 bit
21:47<noah>so i didn't recognize the naming
21:47<noah>i'm glad i didn't spin my wheels trying to make it work
21:48<noah>crap is adm64 really 5 dvds?
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21:49<abrotman>no
21:49<abrotman>just get the netinst
21:49<noah>!netinst
21:49<dpkg>well, netinst is a small CD image with which you can install Debian. If, during the installation process you have a working Internet connection, you can install more packages straight away, otherwise, you will have a base install and more packages later. See http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ See also <check iso image>, <dialup install>, <usb install>, <installer>.
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21:50<noah>otherwise i have to have them?
21:50<noah>!usb install
21:50<dpkg>Yes, it is possible to install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch04s03 . To download USB stick images, ask me about <install debian>. https://launchpad.net/win32-image-writer/+download to prepare from Windows. BIOS can't boot from USB? Use http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager.html
21:50<abrotman>noah: /msg dpkg netinst
21:50<abrotman>no need to flood the channel
21:50<noah>ok
21:50<noah>thanks
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21:50<noah>i appreciate the help
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21:53<basketcase1222>hi
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22:58<daniel>#debian
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23:02<Ahabwest>#debian
23:03<Ahabwest>#linux
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23:57<mainuser>I'm using the new 10.4 ubuntu. Open Personal file sharing and I see a message.. This feature cannot be enabled becuas the required packages are not installed on your system ..
23:57<mainuser>what packages do I need ?
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23:58<simonrvn>mainuser: you need to do this: /server irc.freenode.net then type /join #ubuntu
23:59<mainuser>oh thanks
23:59<mainuser>bye
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