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00:48<EmleyMoor>I need to blacklist a module so that it is not loaded either by the main system or the initramfs - the module is pata_marvell. How do I go about it?
00:49<gsimmons>EmleyMoor: /msg dpkg blacklist ; /msg dpkg blacklist-initramfs
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01:16<EmleyMoor>My eSATA port is looking better now but when I connect a disk to it, I get a popup that says: Cannot mount volume. You are not privileged to mount the volume 'backup'.
01:16<EmleyMoor>How do I adjust to allow for that?
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01:31<mny>i'm trying to set my dns (bind9) to point to a dynamic dns from and i keep getting a failure
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01:37<swapy>i am newbie to debian but didnt find it different from ubuntu
01:37<swapy>can any1 tell me difference
01:38<swapy>looking quite same
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01:39<swapy>hi anybody there?
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01:45<simonrvn>looks like it.
01:45<simonrvn>or lack thereof.
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01:47<Dreakon>Hey guys, I used the nautilus scripts on this page: to mount an iso on Debian Testing.
01:47<Dreakon>Mounting it worked fine, but unmounting it has left an unmountable drive on the side of the file browser.
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01:48<Dreakon>If I try to go into it, it says "Error mounting: mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/loop0,"
01:49<valdyn>Dreakon: is the device listed in "losetup -a" ?
01:49<Dreakon>I don't believe so. I ran that and nothing came up.
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01:54<valdyn>Dreakon: script is working fine, but nautilus needs to be notified to remove the device too, i have no idea how that is done
01:54<Dreakon>Ah, but I assume it is possible? :)
01:55<valdyn>Dreakon: sure its "possible" but i dont think thats enough to help you
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01:56<Dreakon>Heh, well, that just gives me hope that someone may swing around and be able to help me out then. :)
01:58<simonrvn>right click > unmount?
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01:59<Dreakon>simonrvn, when I right click it, the only option like that is "mount", and it produces the error I mentioned earlier.
01:59<Dreakon>"Error mounting: mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/loop0,"
01:59<simonrvn>see what mount says and unmount it
02:00<valdyn>simonrvn: its not mounted
02:00<simonrvn>..if it's there
02:00<simonrvn>pkill nautilus :P
02:00<valdyn>simonrvn: its an "empty" loopback device
02:01<Dreakon>There is no unmount option. :P
02:01<Dreakon>If only the "remove" option weren't grayed out. I could use a good removing of it right now.
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02:02<valdyn>its not hotpluggable, so thats ok
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02:03<nostmith>Dreakon, try to mount the image again and then use the unmount command from nautilus not from the script. just an idea to 'notify' nautilus of the change, not sure if will work
02:03<valdyn>"empty" loop devices dont return "no such device", but they're just empty it seems
02:03<valdyn>thats why nautilus would have to treat it differently
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02:03<Dreakon>nostmith, I did try that before. The device was still in there unfortunately. :(
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02:04<Dreakon>After unmounting it from nautilus.
02:04<valdyn>Dreakon: what i can see so far is that nautilus needs to be patched to give loop devices special treatment
02:04<valdyn>Dreakon: *but* you could try what happens if you remove the device node
02:06<Dreakon>valdyn, how might I go about this?
02:06<valdyn>Dreakon: what is the device node?
02:06<swapy><swapy> i am newbie to debian but didnt find it different from ubuntu
02:06<swapy><swapy> can any1 tell me difference
02:06<swapy><swapy> looking quite same
02:07<valdyn>swapy: the difference is in release and package management policies
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02:07<nostmith>Dreakon, using commands instead of those scripts has the same efect?
02:07<Dreakon>valdyn, not sure. I've learned a lot about Linux but some jargon is still beyond me. :P
02:07<valdyn>swapy: in many cases that can make about no difference for the user
02:07<valdyn>Dreakon: device nodes are in /dev/
02:07<valdyn>Dreakon: your loop device was one of loop0 - loop7 in dev, probably loop0, but i cant know
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02:08<swapy>valdyn, what do you mean by package management
02:08<valdyn>Dreakon: rm /dev/loop0 removes one
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02:08<swapy>valdyn, is it better than ubuntu and does its terminal have same commands like of ubuntu terminal
02:08<valdyn>swapy: how a package is made and accepted into debian's 3 trees ( stable , testing , unstable ) etc
02:08<swapy>i have 0 experience of debian so asking
02:09<swapy>valdyn, nice :)
02:09<swapy>valdyn, but other features look quite same ie applications tab and all are like ubuntu
02:09<swapy>whats major difference
02:09<valdyn>swapy: youre talking about things that are configurable in both distros
02:09<valdyn>swapy: debian just uses the upstream default mostly, ubuntu has its own skins
02:09<nostmith>swapy, debian unstable is much more stable than ubuntu. latest ubuntu now is based on debian testing and from my point of view has some old packages. debian != ubuntu and there are some big differences, but you have to do alot of things to notice them.
02:09<Dreakon>valdyn, will I hurt anything if I go through removing all of the loop files?
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02:10<valdyn>Dreakon: get them back with "/etc/init.d/udev stop; /etc/init.d/udev start" or a reboot
02:11<Dreakon>Ah, alrighty. And if they are the culprit, will the empty device disappear right away?
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02:11<valdyn>Dreakon: if that works then the empty device would disappear right away
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02:11<valdyn>Dreakon: the culprit is nautilus, this is just a hack
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02:12<Dreakon>valdyn, it seems the device is still here. :(
02:12<valdyn>Dreakon: to bad
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02:13<Dreakon>using the /etc/init.d/udev stop; /etc/init.d/udev start command did the trick lol
02:13<Dreakon>after removing them
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02:13<valdyn>Dreakon: that should work without removing them too
02:14<Dreakon>Ah, well. Either way, the pesky thing is no longer an eyesore on my beautiful Debian file manager. :) Thank you very much!
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02:26<swapy>when i double click on folder it opens new window displaying folder contents i want that folder must be opened in its own window and new window must not open
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02:30<cahoot>swapy: I guess you mean nautilis, that behavior is configurable via gconf-editor
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02:30<valdyn>or in nautilus-file-management-properties
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02:32<swapy>cahoot, yes i mean that only thanks i did it finally
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02:34<swapy>i installed virtualbox guest additions inside debian and rebooted and now its running in xserver ie command prompt
02:35<swapy>how can i switch back to gui
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02:41<valdyn>swapy: try running "startx"
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02:48<swapy>DIDNT WORK
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02:48<swapy>and if i do ctrl+alt+f7 then my main pc enters gui mode not vbox pc
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02:56<EmleyMoor>My gnome session mounts USB hard drives automatically, but it appears I lack the permissions to do the same with eSATA. What do I need to do to fix that?
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03:00<valdyn>EmleyMoor: you have /dev/disk/by-path/ which adresses disks and partitions by they physical bus location
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03:01<valdyn>EmleyMoor: now you could add an fstab entry for these with the flags "user" and without "auto"
03:01<valdyn>EmleyMoor: thats still a hack but I think it should work
03:02<valdyn>EmleyMoor: theres no totally good way though i believe because your system cant detect esata, you always have to tell it in fstab or somewhere
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03:03<EmleyMoor>What do you mean "can't detect esata"?
03:03<valdyn>EmleyMoor: esata is the same as sata for your system
03:03<valdyn>EmleyMoor: the difference is only the physical cables
03:04<EmleyMoor>What does the sameness mean though?
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03:04<valdyn>EmleyMoor: means that your system cannot tell if somethintg is esata or sata so it cannot tell automatically if something is supposed to be user mountable or not
03:05<EmleyMoor>Right - even though they are different controllers?
03:06<spezticle>is it difficult to embed wireless or other hardware drivers into an installation media, either cd/dvd, or a flash drive installer?
03:06<valdyn>EmleyMoor: thats the same deal, because its only your system that has a different controller
03:07<jm_>spezticle: technically no
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03:08<EmleyMoor>How consistent are these by-path entries between disks?
03:08<valdyn>EmleyMoor: if you write one dbus rule per physical interface or just one for that controller is not a significant difference
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03:08<valdyn>EmleyMoor: not at all, they are consistent by physical interface
03:09<spezticle>do you know of a resource to learn this process?
03:09<valdyn>!custom d-i
03:09<dpkg>rumour has it, custom d-i is, or
03:09<valdyn>spezticle: ^^
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03:12<spezticle>thanks. this should be what i need
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03:18<spezticle>to modify the cd as the wiki suggests, i need an iso image and the link it provides points to sid iso's. that's just their suggestion? I could use a Lenny iso?
03:19<valdyn>spezticle: sure
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03:34<Eternal>Hello i need a little help please :)... I have a Atheros AR9285 network card in my Asus i5 and i havn't been able to find a way to get the network working.
03:35<Eternal>Anyone seen this kind of problem before or know a fix?
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03:41<cahoot>Eternal: lspci -n to find the pciid of the device
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03:45<amol112>hi all i have Polyvision TS series board..but how to configure this in boss
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03:49<networkn>Hi, just wanting to check that "rm -f -r *.* would remove everything in the CURRENT directory, and all SUBDIRECTORIES and FILES there?
03:49<networkn>but only in the CURRENT directory and below right?
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04:29<networkn>is there a log I can enable to find out what is writing files to a directory? what I want is source ip
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04:33<networkn>or is anyone able to tell me why when I \\server\sharename on a linux box it's currently saying network name not available
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04:58<the-dude>networkn: what protocol?
05:00<networkn>samba I presume
05:01<networkn>I am kinda new to linux
05:01<networkn>I can \\server and I can see a list of shares
05:01<networkn>but I can't open any of them
05:02<networkn>I am wondering if it's a permissions issue
05:02<networkn>though I can't really imagine the shares should have changed
05:02<networkn>I am not sure how to check them
05:03<networkn>this is an etch box
05:03<networkn>i know it's old, but it's what I have
05:06<networkn>smb.conf shows [share] as public
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05:06<amol112>is there any gui tool for blocking port
05:07<networkn>security = share
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06:09<jorge>why cant i use, or install themes in gtk2 on debian ? i think i have installed all the necessary stuff, like libgtk2 ...
06:10<dr|z3d>jorge: If you install a theme, it should pull in dependencies.
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06:10<dr|z3d>How are trying to install themes?
06:11<jorge>ill show a pic :)
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06:12<jorge>using the system/preferences/apperance/ install from desktop
06:12<jorge>i was trying for example this one:
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06:12<dr|z3d>Well, that all looks fine to me.. you even have the theme, or at least the window furniture aspect of the theme, installed ok it seems.
06:13<dr|z3d>So I don't really understand what your problem is, jorge.
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06:14<jorge>no, for exmaple if you look at the link, my top bar has nothing to do whit it ...
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06:14<dr|z3d>Try killing gnome-panel.. it should respawn.
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06:15<jorge>in this pic you can see, the difference, it has nothign to do one whit the other :S
06:16<dr|z3d>Try killing gnome-panel.. it should respawn.
06:16<jorge>no it did not worked :S
06:17<dr|z3d>Odd. I don't know why your panels aren't taking the theme.
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06:19<jorge>aha , has it his, it looks just like windows 3.1 :D
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06:21<jorge>what do i still need ?
06:21<ml|>jorge: did you try a logout and login?
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06:23<dr|z3d>Not what you want to hear, I'm sure, jorge, but perhaps try Xfce :)
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06:24<dr|z3d>Or just try a reboot, first.
06:27<jorge>allready did that
06:27<jorge>last night
06:27<dr|z3d>Ok. Try sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude full-upgrade and see if that helps at all.
06:28<dr|z3d>doh. no need for sudo.
06:28*dr|z3d takes his different distro hat off.
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06:31<jorge>no changes
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06:34<jorge>why is everything a problem on debian :D
06:35<dr|z3d>Time to give Xfce a spin.. try it, you may just prefer it to gnome :)
06:36*mjt thinks about lxde...
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06:36<dr|z3d>lxde isn't a good recommendation for someone used to gnome.
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06:37<mjt>i don't know xfce
06:37<dr|z3d>A number of reasons, not least the fact it looks crap compared to either gnome or Xfce.
06:37<mjt>heh. And i just love how it looks like, compared to gnome from which i moved to lxde :)
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06:37<jorge>i use lxde on my server, thats not what im looking for :S
06:37<dr|z3d>And it's not feature comparable, either. Xfce and Gnome are, broadly.
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06:38<mjt>probably i should try it out too (xfce)
06:39<dr|z3d>I recommend you do, mjt :)
06:40<jorge>for example how do i install a compiz theme like this:
06:41<dr|z3d>Is that an emerald theme?
06:42<dr|z3d>compiz is a compositing engine.. not a window manager :)
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06:44<dr|z3d>ie: it relies on a window manager for theming.. hence me asking if the theme you linked is an emerald theme..
06:44<jorge>its the windows boarders that dont change
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06:44<jorge>no its a compiz
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06:45<dr|z3d>Well, one step at a time..
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06:45<jorge>i tried everything,
06:46<jorge>on that site for example. things should worck like a charm i guess, but no :S
06:46<dr|z3d>Sounds like it's wrecking your sanity like a charm :)
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06:47<dr|z3d>qed.. *chuckle*
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06:56<kara>hi i got a probleme. my billonton gpprs/gsm pcmcia wireless card has no driver where can i get it please?
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06:57<themill>kara: #ubuntu on, just like last time.
06:58<jorge>holy fuck i made it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
06:58<jorge>sorry for te language!
06:58<dr|z3d>!congratulate jorge
06:58<dpkg>Woohoo jorge, you did it!
06:58<jorge>i had to install equinox engine...
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07:02<Jorge|SOOOHAPPY>for u guys :D
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07:09<JonJ>Is unetbootin supposed to be able to run as root every time after you've ran it once? It never prompts me for the admin password anymore
07:09<dr|z3d>It shouldn't need root at all.
07:10<JonJ>Well, it asked me for root password first time I ran it, and now it always says "unetbootin(as superuser)" when I run it
07:10<dr|z3d>Odd. Never seen that before. It sounds like it's cached the password.
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07:12<JonJ>Hm, maybe I should report it
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07:19<sfyn>grub question - I'm booting on a system that has grub configured to silently autoboot - how can I interrupt that and get a boot menu or grub shell
07:19<petemc>esc ?
07:19<dr|z3d>sfyn: hit escape.
07:20<dr|z3d>Timing is key, especially if you don't get any textual notifications.
07:21<amol112>sfyn, u can edit /boot/grub/menu.lst using booting in other linux OS or live cd
07:21<sfyn>tried f1 through f12, but not escape
07:21<sfyn>amol112: I would love to do that! First I've got to boot, though
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07:22<amol112>sfyn, change bios priority to cdrom first and then boot in livecd
07:23<sfyn>netbook = no live cd = excuse me while I go and set up a bootable usb key
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07:43<leino>hi all.. trying to install zlib-devel but there seems to be no such package
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07:44<themill>leino: debian has "-dev" packages not "-devel". zlib1g-dev
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07:45<leino>ok, allready had zlib1g-dev installed
07:45<leino>my real problem is that I have no zlib.h
07:45<mjt>zlib1g-dev includes zlib.h
07:46<themill>,file include/zlib.h
07:46<leino> locate zlib | grep zlib.h
07:46<judd>include/zlib.h in lenny/i386: zlib1g-dev: usr/include/zlib.h; libklibc-dev: usr/lib/klibc/include/zlib.h
07:46<leino>only gives
07:46<themill>it's not even in a particularly unlikely location
07:46<themill>leino: the locate database is only updated daily by default
07:46<leino>oh ok..
07:47<leino>gonna try find then
07:47<themill>or just look at what judd said
07:47<themill>leino: if you're talking about files from packages, then either dpkg -S, dlocate or apt-file are better choices than using find.
07:47<leino>ok, I had it in /usr/include now
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07:48<leino>gonna try installing cabal again
07:48<leino>thank you all
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07:57<trroulouloiu>hi , u upgraded my debian/testing yesterday and now in gnome the (bottom) pannel is totaly buggy , i can launch once the terminal and then it freezes completely
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08:05<Ice>alguien me copia por aquii
08:07<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat
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08:08<Ice>rainbow tables for wpa?
08:09<dr|z3d>Ice: If you have a question, please try framing it better.
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08:10<dr|z3d>And Ice, rainbow tables and wpa cracking have not a lot to do with Debian per se.. try #iwannahackwpa or whatever.. ( I know he left).
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08:12<murb>dr|z3d: oh there are probably packages for it..
08:13<dr|z3d>murb: I don't think we should encourage that here, do you? If uberl337 hacker wants to crack wpa, he shouldn't need our assistance. :)
08:13<murb>sure, i know this isn't help i want to steal my neighbours wireless support.
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08:26<HouseKatZe>who's using debian here?
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08:28<HouseKatZe>does anyone know when debian 6 will be released?
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08:30<themill>dpkg: tell HouseKatZe about wwsr
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08:30<HouseKatZe>what is wwsr?
08:31<themill>read the information from dpkg
08:31<HouseKatZe>ok, so its done when its done?
08:31<HouseKatZe>not like ubuntu
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08:34<HouseKatZe>ok, nice
08:34<trroulouloiu>do not understand people , 6 , 5 lenny , it is just names and numbers ; i have my pinning on testing and did never reinstall my debian since early time of etch , just copy my partition from DD to DD
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08:34<HouseKatZe>how do you do that "pinning on testing" ?
08:34<themill>trroulouloiu: what's your point?
08:35<themill>HouseKatZe: if you have to ask, you shouldn't be running "testing". People running testing are supposed to be able to fend for themselves as they are part of the development process.
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08:35<trroulouloiu>themill: just wanted to know to some people that in debian the version do not have a real meaning
08:35<HouseKatZe>i am just interested
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08:35<trroulouloiu>HouseKatZe: /etc/apt/preferences
08:36<HouseKatZe>/etc/apt/preferences.d/ ?
08:36<jordanm>trroulouloiu: it does have real meaning. you are talking the difference between a stable release and a moving target
08:36<jordanm>!tell trroulouloiu about stable
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08:36<jordanm>!tell trroulouloiu about moving target
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08:36<HouseKatZe>!tell me about stable
08:36<trroulouloiu>jordanm: no i m not talking about that ; on ubuntu , manfriva ..... people do install a version and then wait for another version release
08:37<themill>trroulouloiu: you're also not unaffected by the release process -- you still experience the freeze and then the mess that breaks out just after release. You get all the broken packages and mess that goes with testing just for the fun of it too.
08:37<themill>trroulouloiu: and most people should just install debian stable and wait for the next version release in exactly the same way
08:37<trroulouloiu>on debian you can just put your pinning on stable or testing and thats all
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08:37<jordanm>trroulouloiu: mixing releases is not recommended
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08:39<trroulouloiu>themill: i use to put change temporary my source.list from *testing* to *name* just before the major version switch
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08:40<trroulouloiu>because i'm getting a great mail from debian telling that during 3 months , testing will be unstable :)
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08:41<dirk>msg:dutchfish hoi
08:41<themill>!es-social anita
08:41<dpkg>anita: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador por favor ingresa al canal social de #debian-es con /join #debian-es-cachondeo. Tus amigos probablemente ya esten ahi.
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08:42<HouseKatZe>does anyone know if ubuntu got a irc channel?
08:43<rudi_s>!tell HouseKatZe about ubuntu
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08:44<anita>kien coño me kioere abla joderrrrr
08:45<anita>ijo de perrrrrraa
08:45<fabrianchi>anita: que dice ?
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08:45<padski>I'm looking for a gadget or trick to connect/proxy a legacy ipv4 server program to an ipv6 port
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08:46<dr|z3d>padski: maybe gw6c ?
08:46<fabrianchi>padski: mierdo ?
08:47<fabrianchi>anita: where are you from ?
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08:48<padski>fabrianchi, I know about miredo, that is a way to get ipv6 routing to the internet. I am, in fact, using it already.
08:48<fabrianchi>padski: ok
08:48<wnd>ssh port forwarding works just fine if you only need that capability temporarily
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08:54<amol112>how to close port other than stopping service
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08:55<fugit>amol112: iptables
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08:57<amol112>i did using iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --destination-port 22 -j DROP but for next time when i try to test open port using gnome-nettool then it is not showing any port open ..just running showing its scanning ports
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09:16<trroulouloiu>hi does anybody here knows well cryptsetup ?
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09:19<matrix17>i dont know if this is the right channel or not
09:19<matrix17>i need to know how to make aircrack work with backtrack 4\
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09:23<dpkg>BackTrack is a Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu> Intrepid (as of BackTrack 4), previously <SLAX>. Derived from merging two penetration-testing distributions: WHAX (formerly WHOPPIX) and Auditor Security Linux. It is not supported in #debian. #backtrack-linux on See also <based on debian>.
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09:27<dpkg>dany: VATTENE VIA
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09:27<JoRgE_>how can we import the ubunt default font into lenny ?
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09:33<valdyn>JoRgE_: which font is it?
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09:34<valdyn>for all i know its bitstream very sans, same as lenny
09:35<Greed>I have seen today nouveau driver in testing
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09:35<Greed>it's great but how can I use it when I have the non-free plugin
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09:36<Greed>I have cleared my xorg.conf but nothing
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09:41<Metrahla>anyone has any idea how i can my Xfce , do ACPI ? ( the power managment things, suspend .. etc etc) .. i get those options .. but only at the sessiion menu
09:41<Metrahla>and with gnome..
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09:42<jordanm>metalqga: try #debian-xfce
09:42<metalqga>jordanm ?
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09:50<Greed>ema29: ho thx I believe it was natively used
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09:53<Greed>3D is'nt functionnal?
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09:57<ema29>Greed: no
09:57<ema29>it's not supported by upstream either
09:58<ema29>as in, they're working on it, and some of it works, on some cards, but they aren't prepared to have end-users enable it yet
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09:59<moderat>anyone know how I can open telnet ?
10:00<dr|z3d>moderat: telnet
10:00<dr|z3d>And if you're unsure of the syntax, man telnet.
10:00<Metrahla>is it dangerous to do install with apt the "firmware-linux-nonfree" .. it anything goes wrong (or if my chip is not supported) cant i just revert it ? remove it
10:00<moderat>no i mean telnet
10:01<dr|z3d>Metrahla: You can. No issue.
10:01<dr|z3d>moderat: man telnet
10:01*dr|z3d shakes head.
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10:03<moderat>i mean how to open it from backtrack menu
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10:03<Metrahla>dr|z3d, the package was installed with no errors, does this means my chip is supported?
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10:03<dpkg>BackTrack is a Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu> Intrepid (as of BackTrack 4), previously <SLAX>. Derived from merging two penetration-testing distributions: WHAX (formerly WHOPPIX) and Auditor Security Linux. It is not supported in #debian. #backtrack-linux on See also <based on debian>.
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10:03<ema29>moderat: ^^^
10:03<dr|z3d>Metrahla: No, it means the package was installed with no errors. :)
10:04<moderat>yes ,
10:04<Metrahla>ok :) brb
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10:04<moderat>how I open telnet from backtrack?
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10:05<dpkg>BackTrack is a Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu> Intrepid (as of BackTrack 4), previously <SLAX>. Derived from merging two penetration-testing distributions: WHAX (formerly WHOPPIX) and Auditor Security Linux. It is not supported in #debian. #backtrack-linux on See also <based on debian>.
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10:05<Metrahla>dr|z3d, i booted X with no errors.. im guessing my 3d card, isnt there a command i can type on the terminal to check wich driver is working?
10:06<Metrahla>* im guessing the 3d card is working
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10:06<dr|z3d>You can try wosname, cogs, what is it? glxcogs or something to test framerate?
10:06<dr|z3d>I forget the actual command.. you'll need to run that in X.. others will know.
10:06<Metrahla>glxgears too ?
10:06<dr|z3d>That's the one!
10:07<dr|z3d>See if you get an obscenely fast framerate. You'll know it's working, then..
10:07<dr|z3d>You can also try calling some OpenGL screensavers and see what kind of results you get.
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10:07<moderat>how I open telnet from backtrack?
10:08<Metrahla>dr|z3d, i get the same frame rate has before, i had the 3d set before alreay..
10:08<dr|z3d>moderat: blacktrack is NOT supported here. Please go to the correct channel.
10:08<dr|z3d>!tell moderat about backtrack
10:08<Metrahla>dr|z3d, id just like to check.. if X .. is Requesting for the old driver i had bofore.. if if This new one "non free" is already beyng apllied
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10:09<ema29>moderat: just in case you're missing it, the relevant bit from dpkg was "It is not supported in #debian"
10:09<gsimmons>dpkg: tell Metrahla -about which driver
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10:13<moderat>ok thx
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10:20<fallback>hello all, having problem with LVM after power-outage in datacenter. /dev/mapper/foo-bar are created and partitions can be mounted, /dev/foo/bar however is missing and LVM reports being in partial mode, paritions and data are fine however.....
10:23<fallback>is there a simple command to get LVM going properly again?
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10:31<fallback>found solution.
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10:42<flyeng4>I am trying to user the SCO resource with xterm to get the scoansi fucntion keys for accessing a termainal application but when I envoke xterm -kt sco ... I get KeyboardType resource "sco" not found
10:43<flyeng4>Do I need to install any extra packages that work with xterm to enable the sco keyboard type?
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10:45<sidHart>i don't know why but my latest installed just prompted for the root password instead of asking if disable root login?
10:46<bremner>sidHart: are you running Debian?
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10:46<sidHart>exactly that's why i'm here
10:46<bremner>oh, because Ubuntu is the one that disables root login afaik
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10:47<sidHart>bremner: the newer installer ask that
10:47<bremner>ok, I guess i have nothing to add here then...
10:48*nostmith needs some hints for how to backup lvm volumes
10:50<nostmith>sidHart, sudo is not enabled by default, that's why it asks for a root pasword when installing
10:50<sidHart>bremner: anyway..trying to recover by adding kdesudo sudo and adding me to admin group
10:51<sidHart>what i wanted to do is let me mount drive from dolphin..
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10:51<flyeng4>Does anyone know much about xterm? Or if there is a channel that would be better?
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10:52<bremner>flyeng4: maybe there is a mailing list on
10:52<sidHart>and prompt me root password..still geting this part of the policykit?
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10:52<nostmith>sidHart, use su - to become root and see man visudo and man sudoers
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10:53<sidHart>nostmith: sorry but that's been taken cared of
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10:54<sidHart>what i wanted is how to manage policy kit..looks like there is no kde front end?
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10:55<kostix>I'd like to try out generating network packets using pktgen. from its HOWTO, it appears I have to use user-space tools to set up the generator, but I see no traces of them in Debian. does anyone have any experience with pktgen on Debian?
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10:55<kostix>of is there anything comparable that work out of the box?
10:56<flyeng4>bremner: thanks i'll check
10:57<nostmith>sidHart, i guess you need something like update-alternatives --config libgksu-gconf-defaults but for kde. gnome here, so no other ideas...
10:58<nostmith>and if i'm not wrong you have to be in group sudo anyway
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10:59<Lillymon>Can anyone give me a clue as to what the hell DebTorrent is doing with all my RAM? I've got it sitting next to Deluge, another BitTorrent client written in Python that is very active all the time. Deluge is collectively (GTK-ui and daemon) using 3.5% of my RAM. DebTorrent is using *22%*. Can I get a WHAT THE FUCK?
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11:01<Lillymon>Given the similarities between the two and the fact that DebTorrent does eventually give the RAM back of its own accord (so it's not a memory leak) I can only assume DebTorrent is atrociously written.
11:02<sidHart>nostmith: i'm in sudo + added admin group too..guess let me look at that alternative
11:03<sidHart>nostmith: was late and just selected install instead of the expert install which i think gave me the option for no root login
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11:04<nostmith>tbh, i never saw that option when installing, and i tested quite a few installers, stable and testing too
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11:07<sidHart>nostmith: this is the netboot mini.iso from the latest
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11:08<kermi>hello, I'm getting an error with "apt-get update" I've had this error before and was someone here helped me resolve it by deleting some dir & files, but I can't remember which those were. here's the error: Hit lenny/updates Release.gpg Ign lenny/updates/main Translation-en_US Ign http://security
11:09<nostmith>sidHart, quite odd anyway. i used that one a month ago. no option to disable root login using the default install option
11:09<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>.
11:09<sidHart>nostmith: select the 'expert install'
11:09<themill>kermi: I can't see any error there... please put the entire output in a pastebin.
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11:10<sidHart>nostmith: that's exactly threw me off
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11:17<themill>kermi: that looks like a problem with your mepis repo. mepis isn't debian and we have no idea what is or is not wrong with their servers. Please ask in #mepis on
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11:19<Father0fNine>Since I'm the only one who uses this linux desktop, how I would get auto-login on the console?
11:19<Father0fNine>all the way to X?
11:19<cahoot>configure gdm
11:19<trroulouloiu>hi i have a samba share on a divxplayer , when i access it with nautilus under superuser i have no problem , when i acces it with normal user i have a message "the file is of unknow type"
11:20<trroulouloiu>is there anything to configure in nautilus
11:20<alteroo>Hello Are there any KDE users here on Lenny?
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11:21<themill>alteroo: lots, presumably. Ask your real question.
11:22<kermi>themill: I'm able to install from their servers via "apt-get install" it's just the update function not working. this has happened to me before. How can I just fix the update fnct? I recall once deleting some dir/files.
11:22<themill>kermi: their server is returning 404 not found. Please ask them about it.
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11:23<alteroo>I'm trying to get k3b installed. I have KDE4 from the backports and was just wondering if there was any source for k3b compatible with that
11:23<Father0fNine>cahoot: Hmm... don't see gdm (or even kdm) installed...
11:23<smerft>themill: I lost your last post
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11:24<Father0fNine>The system already does the autologin part, I'm trying to figure out how so I can replicate it.
11:24<themill>smerft: kermi: their server is returning 404 not found. Please ask them about it.
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11:24<themill>alteroo: there aren't any backports for kde4... where are these packages from?
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11:27<alteroo>Lenny backports
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11:28<smerft>themill: will do, thanx for yr time
11:29<themill>alteroo: KDE4 is not on -- where do you mean?
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11:32<trroulouloiu>hi how do i configure nautilus to provide a username instead of using the default when accessing samba shares
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11:40<tonio>k pasa
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11:40<themill>!es-social tonio
11:40<dpkg>tonio: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador por favor ingresa al canal social de #debian-es con /join #debian-es-cachondeo. Tus amigos probablemente ya esten ahi.
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11:53<alteroo>themill: deb lenny-backports main contrib non-free && deb lenny-backports main contrib non-free
11:54<alteroo>deb lenny-backports main
11:54<alteroo>That's the second one sorry
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11:54<raboof>what would be a good place to get a debian package for a (recent) kernel with the realtime patch applied?
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11:55<themill>alteroo: ahh.... I have no idea what sort of packages they've got there and what they are or aren't compatible with. If their packages are any good, I can't imagine you'd have any trouble installing k3b from lenny though.
11:55<jordanm>!compile kernel
11:55<dpkg>[kernel-package] To compile a kernel The Debian Way(tm) "aptitude install kernel-package build-essential libncurses5-dev" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz. You should also ask me about <make-kpkg>, <kp mantra> and <kernel build-deps>.
11:55<alteroo>themill: ok It says it's compatible with Lenny
11:55<alteroo>Guess i can survive with one KDE3 app
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11:59<raboof>jordanm: yeah, possible, but a bit of a boring waste of time imho :)
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11:59<vvas>hi all
12:01<vvas>here's a quickie: if a package does not provide a corresponding -dbg package, is there a quick and generic way to generate one when building the package from source?
12:01<themill>vvas: DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS="nostrip" dpkg-buildpackage etc _should_ work for you.
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12:02<vvas>ah great, i'll give it a shot, thanks!
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12:10<Katy>Hi! I installed Lenny using standard installer with LUKS/dm-crypt on a EeePC 701 4G. / and /home are both encrypted.
12:10<Katy>After entering passphrase for /home while boot I get error fsck.ext3: Invalid argument while checking ext3 journal for home \ fsck died with exit status 8
12:10<Katy>Trying to fsck manually I got fsck: fsck.crypt_LUKS: not found \ fsck: Error 2 while executing fsck.crypt_LUKS for /dev/sdb1
12:10<Katy>cryptsetup luksOpen /dev/sdb1 home gives Command failed: Can not access device
12:10<Katy>/dev/sdb1 is the card reader, before install the card was working correctly
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12:10<Katy>Any hints where to start looking?
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12:13<vvas>themill: worked great, thanks :^)
12:14<vvas>but it looks like i need to add "noopt" there too to get meaningful backtraces...
12:14<vvas>too many <value optimized out> instances on the backtrace
12:14<themill>yes... yuck. The package may or may not actually implement noopt however.
12:15<vvas>well, i'll find out soon enough :^)
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12:17<vvas>ah, looks good now
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12:19<vvas>gnome-settings-daemon is overly crashy in 2.30 *sigh*
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12:27<cesurasean>I'm unable to get flash working on youtube. I've already installed gnash from squeeze, as well.
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12:27<dr|z3d>gnash may well be the issue.
12:28<dr|z3d>aptitude install flashplugin-nonfree
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12:38<And1>themill: Hi again. Do you have any clou why my Cmnd_Alias could be wrong?
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12:40<dr|z3d>And1: cmd_alias perhaps might work better *guess*
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12:41<And1>dr|z3d: No, it's 'Cmnd_Alias' in /etc/sudoers. =) Got a problem with '/usr/sbin/invoke-rc.d' in my sudoers file...
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12:42<alekibango>hello. on my debian sid system, using mplayer -ao jack will fail to connect and will (oh) crash jackd when trying... can someone please confirm this, or does it work for you??
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12:42<dr|z3d>And1: Ok, I'll leave themill to help you with that :)
12:42<And1>dr|z3d: With incoke-rc.d in sudoers I get the error, that my user is not allowed to perform an 'apache2 restart' (e.g.), with /etc/init.d/ in sudoers, everything works.
12:42<And1>dr|z3d: Hehe ok. ;)
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12:43<dr|z3d>And1: 1 thing.. you're trying to invoke that as root, or using sudo?
12:43<dr|z3d>(it's not sufficient just to be in the sudo'ers group)
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12:44<And1>Usind sudo.
12:44<dr|z3d>Hmm, odd, then.
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12:46<dr|z3d>And1: And if you try with sudo su ?
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12:47<And1>How du you mean?
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12:47<And1>Other sudo-stuff works. E.g. 'sudo s2disk'.
12:47<dr|z3d>sudo so and then try what you were doing.
12:47<dr|z3d>Definitely sounds like a permissions issue.
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12:48<And1>Well, then I could just do 'su'. The thing is I don't understand why it works with /etc/init,d/, but not with /usr/sbin/invoke-rc.d
12:48<dr|z3d>Maybe the latter needs membership of a different group.. I'm guessing again :)
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13:10<d0rk>when i upgraded my server from lenny to squeeze, it broke eggdrop support.. i've tried a patch to fix the issues with tcl threading and if i recall correctly, i modified a setting in /etc (i think, it's been several weeks that i've been messing with this off and on) related to the tcl thread support.. i've currently tried running eggdrop compiled with tcl8.5 and tcl8.4
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13:14<d0rk>i'm not sure if anything else is affected as i don't use many other things that are directly affected by tcl
13:14<d0rk>anyone know what i might can do to try and debug why eggdrop dies everytime it runs?
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13:15<wxyz>Which error you got? paste it in a pastebin
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13:16<Metrahla>anyone knows an application to record both Video and Sound simultaneously ?
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13:16<Metrahla>video and audio capture
13:16<Metrahla>like the videos on you tube
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13:25<d0rk>wxyz: there is no error
13:25<d0rk>it doesn't generate a log
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13:26<d0rk>it just goes to the background and then by the time ps x can be executed it's not in the process list anymore
13:26<d0rk>i've run it with ./eggdrop -m my.conf && ps x
13:26<d0rk>and it dies immediately
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13:54<gpm>hi. i have two monitors and i have them set up as separate X sessions (?) though i can move the mouse between them. i want to connect to the second monitor with vnc but so far i can only connect to the first. i need a little guidance/direction
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14:11<EmleyMoor>Is there a good way to reset a stuck SATA bus?
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14:19<alteroo>Is there a schedule for when Squeeze comes out?
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14:22<dpkg>Squeeze will release <WIR>, <SIYH>. No release schedule is done yet. Ask me about <squeeze bet>. See
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14:35<alteroo>chealer: what's SIYH?
14:35<dpkg>well, siyh is Sooner If You Help. How? ,
14:35<alteroo>Ah :)
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14:36<whattt>hi is there a way to compile the new kernel (2.6.33) with the same configuration I have now?
14:36<raboof>whattt: iirc there's something like 'make oldconfig'
14:37<whattt>ok so instead of make menuconfig I should make oldconfig?
14:37<chealer>alteroo: there you go :-)
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14:39<chealer>whattt: yes, that's one way (there may be more)
14:39<whattt>chealer, k I'll try. Thx :)
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14:42<ml|>whattt: /msg dpkg khb ; make-kpkg and kp mantra ; should help
14:44<alteroo>chealer: :-)
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14:44<fab4real>i need some help to install gd library without to reinstall php-fpm, sb can help me ?
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14:51<jordanm>fab4real: IIRC the gd libarary is in the default php package, just disabled in the config file
14:53<raboof>how do i find out who maintains (or has write access to) ?
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14:54<chealer>jordanm: the PHP module is in php5-gd
14:54<cesurasean>anyone know why youtube is giving me an error with gnash now? "An error occurred, please try again later"?
14:55<jordanm>cesurasean: there is a way to switch to html5, if your browser supports it
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14:58<alteroo>chealer: I just saw an article saying that Squeeze will not be released with KDE 4.5 since it will come out too early
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14:58<alteroo>Is that just in relation to testing to get into stable or will it ship before KDE 4.5 ships?
14:58<cesurasean>jordanm, do you know how to do that with iceweasel?
14:59<jordanm>cesurasean: you won't be able to do it with iceweasel. chrome and maybe opera
14:59<jordanm>firefox/iceweasel lacks the required proprietary codec
15:00<cesurasean>I see.
15:00<jordanm>alteroo: I recall kde 4.4 being one of the release goals
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15:01<fab4real>jordanm: yes but i have a custom php5 ( patched with php-fpm )
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15:01<fab4real>i make it and ./configured it wihout "-- enable php5-gd"
15:02<fab4real>so i dont know how to install it without reinstallinh php-fpm
15:02<alteroo>jordanm: Right. I was just wondering if Squeeze has no time line currently for release if it was at all possible for KDE 4.5 to enter the repos or if it's simply a choice that 4.5 will not be there
15:03<chealer>jordanm: the difficulty of getting in testing/stable was certainly taken into account. I am not too informed but I'd be surprised if Squeeze would ship before KDE 4.5.
15:03<chealer>alteroo: the difficulty of getting in testing/stable was certainly taken into account. I am not too informed but I'd be surprised if Squeeze would ship before KDE 4.5.
15:03<chealer>sorry jordanm
15:04*jordanm is expecting 4.4
15:04<chealer>alteroo: that said, you don't necessarily want KDE 4.5.0/4.x.0 if you can have 4.4.3. they don't have the same stability
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15:06<jackyf>Debian KDE team expect to have 4.4.x in Squeeze
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15:18<alteroo>I know I was just wondering how they could say that KDE 4.5 would not be able to ship with Squeeze when The KDE ship date is well known but as far as I understand it the Squeeze ship date isn't
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15:24<jordanm>alteroo: and why should they hold up the release to wait on the KDE team? They are already making a 3.x -> 4.x transition with the new release
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15:49<Dreakon>If I'm on Debian testing, should I do safe-upgrade or full-upgrade?
15:49<jerryclunsford>What version of Bastille do I need to use for Debian Lenny? the version that synaptic downloads does not work.
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15:50<themill>Dreakon: both are appropriate at different times. Read "man aptitude" (and man apt-get) to understand the differences and when you would need each one.
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15:59<opticon>I have some new hardrives ordered for my debian server what can i use to clone the os to new drive?
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16:01<dr|z3d>opticon: partimage, perhaps.
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16:01<dr|z3d>,versions partimage
16:01<judd>partimage -- etch: 0.6.4-17; lenny: 0.6.7-1; sid: 0.6.8-1; squeeze: 0.6.8-1
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16:21<ODDity>Where can I find out if Squeeze has the right nvidia drivers for my GTX275 or does any one know for sure that it will?
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16:22<ODDity>via package manager I mean
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16:24<TCW>ODDity, how about apt-cache search / show?
16:24<ODDity>TCW, I would but I haven't got it installed at the moment
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16:24<cesurasean>what is the google chrome package name under squeeze? anyone?
16:24<TCW>ODDity, what? You do not have apt-cache installed?!
16:25<ODDity>I do not have debian installed
16:25<ODDity>I'm on a new machine
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16:25<TCW>cesurasean, I *hope* it is not in debian, but use apt-cache to search for it
16:26<ODDity>yeah chrome is closed source isn't it so you have to download it from google
16:26<TCW>ODDity, and how do you want to use the "package manager" of a distro you do not have installed yet? :)
16:26<TCW>ODDity, but check
16:26<ODDity>TCW lol..i use debian on my other box
16:27<kickmule>cesurasean: none
16:27<chr18>there is someone from mexico?
16:28<TCW>ODDity, you DO confuse me... how about straighten the facts out if ou HAVE debian installed and if ou HAVE access to apt-cache right now... really confusing what you said up to now if you ask me :)
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16:28<TCW>you * you*
16:28<TCW>damn y-key
16:29<TCW>chr18, this is not a dating channel
16:29<cesurasean>is there a package for opera?
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16:29<TCW>cesurasean, use apt-cache to search for it!
16:29<ODDity>ok sorry TCW.. my other box which I have relegated to the cupboard had debian squeeze on but had an ATI card. My new box has an nvidia card. Reading through the WIKI it says the newest and oldest nvidia cards aren't supported in squeeze
16:29<cesurasean>TCW, how exactly? apt-cache search opera?
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16:30<ODDity>so i dunno if that applies to my GTX275 or not
16:30<TCW>cesurasean, ever tried reading the manpage?
16:30<ODDity>sod it.. i'll just try it
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16:31<TCW>ODDity, I don't get you... you think you can't check the nvidia driver version on a debian box which has a ati card installed?
16:32<ODDity>not really TCW i just can't be arsed to plug it all back in again
16:32<cesurasean>ok. how exactly do you get flash 10 videos to work on squeeze?
16:32<jordanm>!nvidia squeeze
16:32<dpkg>non-free nvidia+squeeze guide: (a) aptitude upgrade ; aptitude full-upgrade (ensure you are running the current kernel; /msg judd kernels) (b) create a testing/unstable mix (ask me about <tum>) (c) aptitude install module-assistant; aptitude -R -t sid install nvidia-kernel-source; m-a a-i nvidia && aptitude -t sid install nvidia-glx. (d) Configure xorg.conf as per
16:33<jordanm>cesurasean: your issue is not so much squeeze as it is PPC. you should join #debianppc
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16:33<TCW>ODDity, so that "box in the cupboard" is unplugged or ripped apart? So that qualifies for "no I do not have a debian system right now so I can't use the debian package management tools" and means: check kttp://
16:34<cesurasean>jordanm, ive been advised to use opera or chrome to get them working. that is the only way around this?!
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16:35*nostmith needs some hints for periodic backup of lvm partitions and a good/reliable web control panel for a server
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16:35<TCW>cesurasean, you're on PPC?
16:35<cesurasean>nostmith, webmin, and amanda for backups.
16:35<cesurasean>TCW, yes.
16:36<TCW>does adobe even produce a PPC port of their flashplayer?
16:36<fisxoj>can someone help me with an alternatives/libgl problem? I have fglrx installed, but my laptop has two cards, and I only use the ati one for playing games. Apparently, empathy needs libgl to run, and fglrx diverts the normal libgl so empathy just crashes when it tries to load the ATI libgl, how can I get it to use the normal mesa one when I'm not using the ati ard?
16:36<cesurasean>TCW, no. so is there any way around it?
16:36<jordanm>cesurasean: that was me who advised that, and only if you are trying to use html5
16:36<TCW>I doubt that... so be prepared for a very sucky flash-experience :)
16:37<jordanm>cesurasean: your problems really are specific to your arch so you should be in that arch's specific channel or mailing list
16:37<cesurasean>jordanm, thx for your help.
16:37<gpm>hi. i have two monitors and i have them set up as separate X sessions (?) though i can move the mouse between them. i want to connect to the second monitor with vnc but so far i can only connect to the first. i need a little guidance/direction
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16:38<jordanm>gpm: echo $DISPLAY; do you get the same value when ran on each monitor?
16:39<TCW>cesurasean, around flash on PPC? I guess gnash / swfdec, but as said they suck (most flash content does not work yet)
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16:43<gpm>jordanm: not at the machines right now but will try later!
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17:05<ml|>cesurasean: there is chromium-browser, in sid and experimental atm
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17:17<whatt>damn I have the / of 10gb and 8 are occupied. When compiling the kernel it says no space left. How can I clean it???
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17:18<raboof>whatt: for a quick win do 'sudo apt-get clean'.
17:18<raboof>whatt: for further cleaning, get something like kdirstat and see what's taking up a lot of space ;)
17:19<whatt>I thought 10 gigs where good :(
17:19<whatt>is there a version for gnome of kdirstat?
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17:19<raboof>you can use KDE programs even if you're using Gnome as the desktop environment.
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17:20<whatt>yeah I know ... I'll do it :)
17:20<raboof>another disk-usage-visualizer that's more gnome-centric is 'baobab' iirc, but i like kdirstat much more
17:20<raboof>if only it would be more stable :)
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17:20<whatt>k thx. Next time I'm going to to a 20gigs / :(
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17:21<raboof>whatt: check out kdirstat/baobab first, perhaps there's something big there that you don't need and 10g turns out to be plenty
17:21<whatt>k I'll do asap. Thx mate ;)
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17:26<noah>scripting is a powerful thing! :D
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17:28<noah>anyone have an opinion on which is the best way to get the filename from a full path? file=$(basename "$1") or should i use file=`stat -c %n "$1"`
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17:30<noah>hrmm.. looks like stat -c %n didn't do what i thought
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17:33<flacattack>Hey, does anybody know how to get screen to automatically clear upon the exit of programs such as alpine and vim?
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17:34<ml|>using bash? echo $SHELL will tell you
17:34<ema29>alpine; clear
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17:34<flacattack>ema29: That does the trick, cheers
17:34<trroulouloiu>hi , i installed network manager deamon on my laptop but now when i start wpa_gui it says "could not get wpa_supplicant status"
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17:36<raboof>trroulouloiu: not really answering your question, but i installed wicd-gtk and its dependencies, and that works well for me
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17:36<trroulouloiu>yes i m reading something about it right now
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17:37<trroulouloiu>i do start manually a script that launches wpa_supplicant and then dhclient
17:37<trroulouloiu>maybe it is better like this
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17:39<trroulouloiu>Netwotk manager do use wpa_suppicant no ?
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17:42<Lethalman>trroulouloiu, yes
17:44<trroulouloiu>and it always update /etc/resolv.conf and route table
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17:53<shaggy_>can somebody help me out with my mic?
17:53<shaggy_>alsamixer shows volume up right.
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17:56<trroulouloiu>shaggy_ : and ?
17:56<shaggy_>no sound input at all
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17:57<retrospectacus>alsamixer should also show a number and not MM at the bottom of the volume slider. MM is mute, press m to un-mute
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17:59<shaggy_>nothings muted but S/PDIF
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18:01<jamuraa>soung input?
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18:01<shaggy_>no sound* input
18:01<jamuraa>make sure you're on the inputs section
18:01<jamuraa>F4 for capture device volumes
18:02<shaggy_>there all up
18:02<jamuraa>also if you have more than one sound card (common for headsets etc) make sure you have the right sound card selected (F6)
18:03<shaggy_>only one.
18:03<shaggy_>default or HDA intel
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18:04<jamuraa>you're sure the microphone is plugged into the right plug?
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18:04<jamuraa>and how are you testing whether the sound input is working or not
18:04<shaggy_>useing sound recorder
18:04<shaggy_>micraphone is in port label with micraphone symbol
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18:06<jamuraa>hmm, that's a stumper
18:06<clocker>I'm curious about this too. Chased the same path with the microphone
18:06<shaggy_>yeah. i want to get it to work in alsa so i can move to jackd
18:06<jamuraa>usually I find it's because something is mislabelled or muted in the alsamixer
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18:07<jamuraa>it's possible that the sound recorder is trying to record from the wrong spot, maybe look in prefs
18:07<shaggy_>it gives me list of inputs there.
18:07<shaggy_>i tryed all of them
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18:08<spezticle>i need to download 'make' and all required dependencies for debain 'lenny' but while using ubuntu can someone help me with syntax for terminal?
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18:14<ml|>spezticle: build-essential /msg dpkg b-e
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18:16<dpkg>i heard debtakeover is Debian Takeover, the next phase of Debian World Domination, is a script that will substitute Debian (woody, not sarge! Use DEFAULT_SUITE=woody and upgrade from there) for any running GNU/Linux distribution available at . You too can banish metoo, dead rat, crackware, mandribble and Sue.M.E. to the bit bin.
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18:18<jordanm>nice, he can install woody and then he only needs to upgrade 3 more times for security updates :p
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18:20<SIRavecavec>Hi, I installed today with Online installer from CD, the latest built Squeeze of debian.
18:21<SIRavecavec>When I run the apt-get update & apt-get upgrade
18:21<SIRavecavec>I receive a KEY error from Lenny
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18:22<SIRavecavec>This is what I have, I had searched in forums, but nothing helped.
18:22<jordanm>SIRavecavec: try: aptitude reinstall debian-archive-keyring
18:23<SIRavecavec>Exact same error
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18:23<wxyz>mm, apt-get remove --purge debian-archive-keyring && apt-get install debian-archive-keyring
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18:26<SIRavecavec>wxyz: I have ended this with 3 errors
18:26<SIRavecavec>Missing 3 folders
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18:26<SIRavecavec>And now apt-get is dead, :)
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18:27<wxyz>SIRavecavec, ls /etc/apt/*.gpg
18:27<wxyz>did you see any gpg file ?
18:28<SIRavecavec>/etc/apt/secring.gpg /etc/apt/trustdb.gpg /etc/apt/trusted.gpg
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18:29<wxyz>Can you past me what you get with : apt-get update in a pastebin?
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18:31<SIRavecavec>wxyz: Is nothing
18:31<SIRavecavec>Just that apt-get not found
18:31<SIRavecavec>It didn`t reinstall it back.
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18:32<SIRavecavec>After it was removed. I told you I ended in 3 missing folders and thats all
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18:32<themill>SIRavecavec: no-one told you to remove apt... exactly what did you do?
18:32<SIRavecavec>themill: I run the command he gaved me
18:33<themill>*exactly* what did you do. Please put the command you ran the entire output in a pastebin
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18:34<SIRavecavec>I am sure I did all as he told me...
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18:35<themill>and "Yes, do as I say!" didn't strike you as an unusual thing to be asked to do?
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18:35<SIRavecavec>themill: As I read a bit, no
18:35<SIRavecavec>Since was telling me that this debian key... its vital.
18:35<jordanm>SIRavecavec: dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/apt_0.7.20.2+lenny1_i386.deb
18:36<SIRavecavec>not there
18:36<jordanm>SIRavecavec: any apt deb there? if not you need to download it from
18:36<SIRavecavec>jordanm: there is no such folder
18:37<chealer>jordanm: he's on squeeze
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18:37<jordanm>chealer: thanks, I see where he said that now
18:38<jordanm>SIRavecavec: then manually fetch the deb from that website
18:38<jordanm>make sure you get the one for your release
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18:39<SIRavecavec>jordanm: Ok, thanks
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18:41<chealer>SIRavecavec: actually, are you on lenny or squeeze?
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18:41<SIRavecavec>Its a netinstall, and I chosed to go to latest, so its squeeze.
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18:41<SIRavecavec>From first bit, to the end :)
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18:46<SIRavecavec>One issue, what package I need exactly? apt apt-build or both
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18:48<jgoppert>what are you trying to do with this net install SIR?
18:49<themill>SIRavecavec: just apt
18:49<SIRavecavec>jgoppert: well your question its ... I don`t know how to answer to it.
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18:49<SIRavecavec>themill: thanks
18:51<jgoppert>SIRavecavec: if you just need a net install of squeeze the one on the debian site works fine, are you using another image for some reason?
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18:51<SIRavecavec>jgoppert: No, I used the one from debian alto.
18:51<SIRavecavec>Original ISO they provided.
18:53<SIRavecavec>Now, I am stucked, is there a deb package I can download?
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18:53<SIRavecavec>Since I toke the tar.gz and I need to compile, I miss some dependencies I see.
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18:54<SIRavecavec>I found it
18:55<themill>SIRavecavec: have you successfully reinstalled apt using "dpkg -i" now?
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18:56<SIRavecavec>It has dependencies
18:56<SIRavecavec>I need to gather them all
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18:56<themill>,depends apt --release squeeze
18:56<judd>apt -- depends: libc6 (>= 2.3.4), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.1.1), libstdc++6 (>= 4.4.0), debian-archive-keyring.
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18:56<SIRavecavec>I need the debian-archive-keyring
18:57<themill>SIRavecavec: so download it the same way
18:57<wxyz>I wondering why you say : yes for remove apt heh
18:57<ODDity>I'm lost, trying to install the nvidia-kernel to get 3d working..
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18:58<chealer>SIRavecavec: you don't need to download, the packages are probably in /var/cache/apt/archives/
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18:58<SIRavecavec>chealer: its empty place there
18:59<ODDity>So i've got 2.6.32-3-amd64 kernel however the only nvidia-kernel that looks like the right one I can install says: nvidia-kernel-2.6-amd64: {} Depends: nvidia-kernel-2.6.26-2-amd64 but it is not going to be installed
18:59<SIRavecavec>Is solved now
18:59<SIRavecavec>And same error
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19:00<SIRavecavec>Back to where we left from.
19:00<themill>SIRavecavec: is the output of "date" right?
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19:00<SIRavecavec>themill: I don`t understand 'date"
19:01<themill>run the command: date
19:01<Djhg2000>ODDity : are you by chance using a kernel from Squeeze?
19:01<SIRavecavec>Fri May 14 01:01:05 CEST 2010
19:01<retrospectacus>ODDity: /msg dpkg nvidia squeeze
19:01<SIRavecavec>I have proper time.
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19:01<SIRavecavec>I set up time myself, and timezone.
19:02<themill>SIRavecavec: can you please pastebin the output of "apt-get update"
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19:02<ODDity>Djhg2000, yes this is a vanilla install of Squeeze. retrospectacus.. I dont understand sorry
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19:04<Djhg2000>ODDity : I see, too bad I've only set up nvidia graphics in Lenny :( . Have you tried the nvidia-installer or just the apt way?
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19:05<ODDity>Djhg2000, I trying the apt way..
19:05<chealer>SIRavecavec: which IP address does resolve to? (you can use ping to determine)
19:05<ODDity>Djhg2000, I think i may have found solution using module-assistant
19:06<Djhg2000>ODDity : I'm sorry but I never
19:06<SIRavecavec>chealer: PING ( 56(84) bytes of data.
19:06<SIRavecavec>chealer: 64 bytes from ( icmp_seq=1 ttl=51 time=46.6 ms
19:06<ODDity>mm no it failed
19:06<Djhg2000>ODDity : Sorry but I never got that way to work
19:06<Djhg2000>ODDity : in Lenny
19:06<retrospectacus>ODDity: read this:
19:06<ODDity>yeah it hasn't worked here eitehr
19:07<retrospectacus>!nvidia squeeze
19:07<dpkg>non-free nvidia+squeeze guide: (a) aptitude upgrade ; aptitude full-upgrade (ensure you are running the current kernel; /msg judd kernels) (b) create a testing/unstable mix (ask me about <tum>) (c) aptitude install module-assistant; aptitude -R -t sid install nvidia-kernel-source; m-a a-i nvidia && aptitude -t sid install nvidia-glx. (d) Configure xorg.conf as per
19:07<retrospectacus>( I have non-free nvidia on squeeze; this is how to get it working. )
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19:08<wxyz>hum, I see on some forum: apt-get clean && apt-get autoclean
19:08<wxyz>can fix the key issue from upgrade
19:09<SIRavecavec>wxyz: not working, tested now..
19:09<ODDity>Build of nvidia source failed
19:10<ODDity>from module-assistant
19:10<chealer>SIRavecavec: try replacing with in your /etc/apt/sources.list
19:10<SIRavecavec>chealer: ok
19:10<chealer>wxyz: I don't see how
19:10<Djhg2000>ODDity : it took me many attempts to make it work
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19:13<ODDity>I guess I wont be using debian then :(
19:13<Djhg2000>ODDity : I ended up going the "evil" way with nvidia-installer in Lenny with my custom kernel
19:13<ODDity>right.. so I have to build a kernel now
19:13<Djhg2000>ODDity : not really
19:14<Djhg2000>ODDity : all you need is the kernel sources
19:14<Djhg2000>ODDity : I meant headers
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19:14<ODDity>Djhg2000, ok i'm guessing I can find those in synaptic. i'll do that first
19:14<Djhg2000>ODDity : I remember there's also a script which will set up everything for you
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19:15<ODDity>Djhg2000, yeah the driver download from nvidia is a script if that's what you mean
19:15<Djhg2000>ODDity : no, it was a community maintained script
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19:16<Djhg2000>ODDity : I'll see if I can find it
19:16<SIRavecavec>ODDity: what is your Nvidia version?
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19:16<ODDity>I have nvidia GTX275
19:16<Djhg2000>ODDity : same as me then :)
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19:16<chealer>SIRavecavec: sorry. you should revert the changes then.
19:16<SIRavecavec>chealer: ok :)
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19:17<SIRavecavec>Now worked
19:17<ODDity>Djhg2000, so i've downloaded the headers I think
19:17<ODDity>and i've got the driver from nvidia
19:17<wxyz>Try to generate a global key: gpg --keyserver --recv-keys 6070D3A1 && apt-key add /root/.gnupg/pubring.gpg
19:17<SIRavecavec>Thats a bug.
19:17<chealer>SIRavecavec: I suggest your ignore the warning if it doesn't persist for over a week
19:17<SIRavecavec>wxyz: It works
19:17<chealer>SIRavecavec: oh. good
19:17<SIRavecavec>chealer: works, thanks :)
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19:18<SIRavecavec>It was a bug, I am sure.
19:18<Djhg2000>ODDity : try m-a again, just in case
19:18<SIRavecavec>changing the ip, and rename it back, make it work now.
19:18<ODDity>Djhg2000, neh
19:18<wxyz>It's why I always take "stable" version, and then later updating :p
19:19<ODDity>assuming i'm doing it correctly of course
19:19<SIRavecavec>ODDity: 64 bit or 32?
19:19<ODDity>m-a a-i nvidia && aptitude -t squeeze install nvidia-glx
19:19<SIRavecavec>ODDity: Os language, locales
19:19<SIRavecavec>US or US_UK
19:19<ODDity>British English
19:20<SIRavecavec>ODDity: follow my steps
19:20<ODDity>SIRavecavec, ok
19:20<SIRavecavec>ODDity: mkdir nvidia , cd /nvidia , wget
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19:21<SIRavecavec>After you are done, be sure to have sudo to your use, or be root.
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19:22<ODDity>SIRavecavec, I have that file already ok
19:22<ml|>using the nvidia installer is not supported here
19:22<ODDity>SIRavecavec, I have made it executable
19:22<SIRavecavec>ODDity: sh and nvidia
19:22<SIRavecavec>No need to make it any ways.
19:22<SIRavecavec>Just sh and package name.
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19:23<ODDity>You appear to be running an X server; please exit X before
19:23<ODDity> installing.
19:23<SIRavecavec>Kill your X
19:23<SIRavecavec>And run it, after that.
19:23<SIRavecavec>use CTRL+ALT+ Backspace
19:23<Djhg2000>ODDity : here comes the messy part I'd say
19:23<SIRavecavec>Or use ctrl+alt+f2
19:24<ODDity>yeah.. i tried this before but i'll give it another go
19:24<SIRavecavec>ODDity: This always saved me, I runned my games fine.
19:24<themill>SIRavecavec: please don't encourage people to run the nvidia installer, it always ends in tears in the end.
19:24<Djhg2000>SIRavecavec : but ctrl+alt+f2 won't kill X
19:24<SIRavecavec>Djhg2000: In some cases will.
19:25<ODDity>themill, I can't get the correct kernel and stuff to work in squeeze though
19:25<themill>ODDity: follow dpkg's instructions and it works just fine.
19:25<Djhg2000>SIRavecavec : only if your system is missconfigured
19:25<ODDity>themill, please explain
19:25<themill>dpkg: tell ODDity about nvidia squeeze
19:25<ml|>yep, follow the dpkg instructions, they work
19:26<SIRavecavec>Djhg2000: I read alot about it, some X can`t be killed by CTRL+ALT+Backspace, and with F2 some might work.
19:26<ODDity>themill, yes that doesn't work
19:26<Djhg2000>SIRavecavec : it might be enough to fool the installer :)
19:26<ODDity>themill, i've tried all that already
19:26<Djhg2000>SIRavecavec : ctrl+alt+f2 will just switch to VT2
19:26<themill>ODDity: "doesn't work" is quite useless.... did you successfully complete every single step?
19:27<SIRavecavec>Djhg2000: I agree, but in some cases will crash or close running Xorg, :) or was a bug. they had there.
19:27<themill>chealer: Do you know if there is any prospect of getting working nvidia modules in squeeze any time soon?
19:27<ODDity>themill, it fails when module assistant is building the source
19:27<themill>ODDity: how?
19:28<Djhg2000>SIRavecavec : the only surefire way to kill X these days on all system are via magic SysRq keys anyway :P
19:28<ODDity>it says.. Build of the package nvidia-kernel-source failed!
19:28<jordanm>(pastebin the build log)
19:28<SIRavecavec>Now a tupid question guys, why in the world i can`t use ALT in my terminal here in irssi?
19:28<SIRavecavec>Any ideea? :)
19:28<themill>ODDity: the output of "dpkg -l '*nvidia*'" would be handy too.
19:28<jordanm>SIRavecavec: you need to disable alt+ hotkeys in the terminal settings
19:29<jordanm>SIRavecavec: edit -> keyboard shortcuts for gnome-terminal
19:29<SIRavecavec>jordanm: thanks :)
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19:29<chealer>themill: you meant prebuilt modules or just the driver?
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19:30<themill>chealer: both
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19:30<wxyz>hey, someone maybe can answer me, why bind9 from debian packtage use 4.0% of memory, and the bind9 from tarball use 0.5% ( my bind use 180MB of ram, for 1 zone)
19:30<themill>chealer: but even just the m-a enabled packages in squeeze would be better than going through this testing/unstable mix crap a dozen times per day.
19:31<Djhg2000>ODDity : "173.14.09-5"? that looks like the legacy driver to mee
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19:31<themill>chealer: especially since the rate of success at making a testing/unstable mix seems so low...
19:31<Djhg2000>ODDity : which definitely won't work with your GTX 275
19:31<themill>ODDity: you don't have the nvidia sources installed from sid as dpkg told you you should.
19:31<ODDity>Djhg2000, well I dont know.. as I say this is a vanilla squeeze install
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19:32<Djhg2000>the drive you need starts with "19X.XX"
19:32<chealer>themill: I'm not following the NVIDIA packages closely anymore, but the last upload, just 2 days ago, must have taken as much work as the last >= 2-3 years of maintenance. the future looks much better with the new people. it's possible this upload goes to testing, although there's so much work a stabilization period may be needed.
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19:32<themill>chealer: sounds promising!
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19:32<ODDity>themill, I have run aptitude -R -t sid install nvidia-kernel-source
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19:33<themill>ODDity: can you pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy"?
19:34<chealer>themill: BTW, there is dkms support now.
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19:34<themill>chealer: yeah, we'll have to learn about that at some stage, won't we...
19:34<themill>ODDity: you missed out the step "(b) create a testing/unstable mix (ask me about <tum>)"
19:34<chealer>themill: yeah, I should take care of that if it can reach testing.
19:35*chealer bbl<
19:35<ODDity>themill, can you help me with that step?
19:35<dpkg>echo 'APT::Default-Release "testing";' >> /etc/apt/apt.conf, edit sources.list, copy your non-security testing lines and change one set to sid. then apt-get update. use apt-get -t sid install foo; to install foo from sid rather than testing as usual. WARNING to SYNAPTIC users: Synaptic ignores Default-Release. set Preferences->Distribution
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19:38<themill>ODDity: please do ask about things like that rather than just skipping over steps if you don't understand them. Steps in a set of instructions are there for a reason...
19:38<ODDity>indeed.. my apologies themill
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19:39<themill>no worries. It just explains why this procedured "didn't work" for you earlier.
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19:39<ODDity>themill, I am.. however still experiencing the same problem
19:39<ODDity>module-assistant is failing
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19:40<themill>what version of nvidia-kernel-source do you have installed now (dpkg -l nvidia-kernel-source)
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19:40<ODDity>vidia-kernel- 195.36.24-1
19:41<jordanm>ODDity: when m-a fails it should give you the location of a build log. that file is useful
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19:41<ODDity>im messing this up I think
19:41<ODDity>just did a aptitude full-upgrade and it's downloading a shed load of sid stuff
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19:42<jordanm>ODDity: sounds like you missed: echo 'APT::Default-Release "testing";' >> /etc/apt/apt.conf of the factoid
19:43<jordanm>ODDity: you cannot just skip parts of the factoids... they are there for a reason
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19:43<ODDity>I realise this.. i didn't mean to miss it
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19:45<jordanm>ODDity: welcome to sid
19:45<ODDity>neh i cancelled it
19:45<ODDity>ohh kay.. now I'm getting somewhere
19:45<ODDity>module assistant seems to be working now
19:46<ODDity>it says it's done whatever
19:46<Djhg2000>ODDity : won't just aborting the downloads leave them marked for installation?
19:47<ODDity>it appears not after I changed what the defaults should be
19:47<Djhg2000>ODDity : oh, ok
19:48<Djhg2000>ODDity : not sure about this, but maybe an "aptitude autoclean" would remove the downloaded sid packages you don't use?
19:49<ODDity>yeah that's all good now
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19:49<ODDity>So now.. I have to configure xorg.conf to use the nvidia drivers
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19:50<Djhg2000>ODDity : nvidia-settings should do that for you
19:51<Djhg2000>ODDity : no wait, I meant nvidia-xconfig
19:51<ODDity>yeah ok ive done that
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19:51<ODDity>though.. it's using XF86Config not xorg.conf?
19:51<Djhg2000>ODDity : then all you shall need is to restart X
19:52<ODDity>ho well.. here goes then
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19:52<ODDity>oo ctrl alt bckspace doesn't work
19:52<ODDity>i fix that
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19:53<Djhg2000>ODDity : I know, annoys me too on a fresh install...
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19:53<jordanm>ODDity: restart your display manager. if you don't have a DM, killall X
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19:54<Djhg2000>ODDity : did it work?
19:54<ODDity>I think so
19:54<Djhg2000>try glx-gears
19:54<ODDity>OpenGL vendor string: NVIDIA Corporation
19:54<ODDity>OpenGL renderer string: GeForce GTX 275/PCI/SSE2
19:55<ODDity>96761 frames in 5.0 seconds = 19352.127 FPS
19:55<Djhg2000>ODDity : sounds about right :)
19:55<Djhg2000>ODDity : enjoy your GTX 275
19:56<Djhg2000>ODDity : :)
19:56<ODDity>what I'm really enjoying is the 6 AMD processors
19:56<Djhg2000>ODDity : nice combo
19:56<ODDity>thanks to themill - for being so patient with me as well
19:57<ODDity>Djhg2000, cheers man thanks for you help
19:57<Djhg2000>ODDity : I wonder what kind of performance that system would get in GTA IV
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19:57<themill>no worries. happy hunting
19:57<ODDity>Djhg2000, all I know is, I get constant 125fps in Urban Terror
19:57<Djhg2000>ODDity : you're welcome, but don't forget about themill and jordanm
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19:58<ODDity>indeed many thanks jordanm :)
19:58<ODDity>i'm so pleased to have debian back again
19:58<ODDity>ubuntu was doing my nut
19:58<Djhg2000>ODDity : nice, my Pentium E2160 bottlenecks my GTX 275 no I don't get that (yet)
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19:59<Djhg2000>ODDity : that kind of performance
20:00<ODDity>I'm lucky to have new box really.. i've never had a new one in my life (i'm 28) always hand-me-downs and wot-not
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20:00<Djhg2000>ODDity : then I guess you have a lot of games to check out now :)
20:01<ODDity>Djhg2000, not sure I can afford the time! .. i'm supposed to be "working" on this box doing my 3d modelling
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20:01<Djhg2000>ODDity : I'd reccomend OpenArena and Live for Speed if you use WINE and like racing games
20:01<ODDity>I own OpenArena instagib
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20:02<Djhg2000>ODDity : so I guess you're looking forward to the official Steam linux client too now eh?
20:03<ODDity>can't say i've put any thought towards it..
20:03<ODDity>i'm not really a big gamer and what I play is opensource
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20:03<Djhg2000>ODDity : I just hope they make the file structure properly Debian-ish
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20:04<jordanm>I would expect them to dump some statically linked binaries into /opt like google-chrome does
20:05<Djhg2000>ODDity : I prefer open source too, but it's a shame most of the good racing games are closed source :(
20:05<ODDity>mm racing games..
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20:05<Djhg2000>jordanm : that's sort of my biggest rear
20:05<Djhg2000>jordanm : I meant fear :)
20:05<ODDity>last racing game I played .. gran turismo aspec on the PS2
20:06<Djhg2000>jordanm : the GT series was so good
20:06<Djhg2000>* ODDity : the GT series was so good
20:07<Djhg2000>I keep typing too fast when I get tired :)
20:07<Djhg2000>maybe I should sleep a litle, it's 2 AM here
20:08<Djhg2000>I'll be back tomorrow then :)
20:08<ODDity>its 1am here
20:09<Djhg2000>oh yeah
20:09<ODDity>i have an issue with my sound though
20:09<Djhg2000>we're pretty close
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20:09<Djhg2000>I'm in Sweden
20:09<ODDity>oo nice
20:10<ODDity>it seems if I have VLC open playing a video, if anything else makes a sound like youtube or another VLC video, it stops the sound working from the first one until i close and re-open it
20:10<Djhg2000>sound a lot like something is using OSS to me
20:10<ODDity>same thing was happening in ubuntu before
20:11<Djhg2000>what audio output driver are you using in VLC?
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20:11<ODDity>i'd imagine
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20:11<ODDity>oh no
20:11<ODDity>it's on OSS
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20:11<Djhg2000>I use SMPlayer :)
20:12<ODDity>I change to ALSA you think?
20:12<Djhg2000>yeah that's what I use
20:12<Djhg2000>in SMPlayer
20:12<ODDity>ahh cool.. ok now I got two going at once
20:12<ODDity>confusing but nice to know it works
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20:12<Djhg2000>and it's not as fast as OSS but less buggy in modern enviroments
20:13<ODDity>I see... at least it's not pulseaudio
20:13*ODDity shudders
20:13<Djhg2000>but pulse used to be such a pain back in the days when I tried Ubuntu 8.10
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20:14<ODDity>it's still a complete hog
20:14<Djhg2000>ended up removing it completely
20:14<ODDity>things weren't any better for me in ubuntu 10.04 and removing it causes more and more problems as they integrate it more tightly
20:15<Djhg2000>well if you have a 6 core AMD I don't think you'd notice the increased CPU demand :)
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20:16<ODDity>well no.. but I do notice severely buggy sound
20:16<Djhg2000>the big problem with Ubuntu's implementation was that it was this completely last-minute patched dying resource hog
20:16<h2o>what is the difference between transmission and transmission-qt ?
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20:17<ODDity>well.. gimmie ALSA any day..
20:17<ODDity>it just works for me
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20:18<ODDity>great. well.. everything works again! blender, urban terror, world of goo, warzone2100
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20:18<ODDity>i'm happy
20:18<Djhg2000>ODDity : warzone2100 is a nice game
20:18<ODDity>yup.. i'm getting in to helping out with the trunk models and stuff for them
20:18<Djhg2000>ODDity : doesn't play very well on an intel GMA 915 though :)
20:19<miguel000>how do I generate the md5 coded password, (for .htaccess for instance)?
20:19<ODDity>mmm i dont even know what kind of machine that is :P
20:19<ODDity>i see "intel"
20:19<ODDity>my old box was an athlon 1.6ghz single core
20:19<ODDity>that was slow enough
20:19<Djhg2000>ODDity : it's an old integrated graphics chipset
20:19<Djhg2000>ODDity : :)
20:20<PieFlinger>hey, anyone in here proficient with openMOSIX / clusterknoppix?
20:20<ODDity>has to be said.. debian runs faster than ubuntu as well
20:20<Djhg2000>ODDity : it's in my laptop together with a Celeron 1.3 :D
20:21<Djhg2000>ODDity : 5+ years old and still good if you run Debian on it
20:21<ODDity>I had slackware on my old laptop with integrated video.. it took me 10 months to get 3d acceleration working
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20:21<ODDity>back in the day
20:21<ODDity>yeah nothing wrong with that box for day to day stuff
20:22<ODDity>fine bit of kit :)
20:22<Djhg2000>ODDity : intel drivers have improved a lot since they split off the old i810 branch
20:22<ODDity>ah right ok.. my old nemesis is ATI cards
20:22<ODDity>this is the first nvidia i've ever had
20:23<Djhg2000>ODDity : yeah old computers aren't bad, they're just not good for gaming or heavy compile workloads
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20:23<ODDity>or... as I discovered, rendering 3d models
20:23<Djhg2000>ODDity : :)
20:23<ODDity>Djhg2000, :)
20:24<ODDity>Djhg2000, thanks again man, i've got to find some noobs to shoot
20:24<Djhg2000>ODDity : sounds good to me :D
20:24<ODDity>get some sleep :)
20:24<Djhg2000>I will :)
20:24<ODDity>take it easy, bye for now :)
20:25<Djhg2000>same to you :) bye
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22:01<ODDity>Trying to run firefox on squeeze: ./firefox-bin: error while loading shared libraries: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory || I cant seem to install this package
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22:02<jordanm>ODDity: from
22:02<ODDity>yeah that one
22:03<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, apt-file is a utility used to find which package owns a given file or list files in a package even if it's not installed: "aptitude install apt-file && apt-file update" ; then "apt-file search filename" to see a list of packages containing filename (can also use a regexp; see man apt-file). You can also search online; ask me about <pdo> <auto-apt> <dlocate>
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22:03<jordanm>,file --release squeeze
22:03<judd> in squeeze/i386: lsb-build-desktop3: usr/lib/lsb3/; libgtk2.0-dev: usr/lib/
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22:06<ODDity>i've installed both those packages and it's still saying I haven't got
22:07<jordanm>ODDity: well, I thought it was statically linked. you should ask #mozilla
22:07<dpkg>Iceweasel is a DFSG-free fork of Firefox, which replaces it in Debian as of Etch. It is not GNU's Firefox fork (now known as <IceCat>). Ask me about <why iceweasel> and <iceweasel user-agent>. Use gnome-default-applications-properties to change settings such as the mail reader.
22:08<ODDity>i dont want iceweasel :(
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22:09<jordanm>ODDity: you can replace the icons with firefox ones.. then whats the difference?
22:09<phorce1>ODDity: have you gone and looked in /usr/lib/ too see if the lib file is actually there?
22:09<jordanm>actually... you probably can't
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22:10<ODDity>either way.. i always use the latest firefox and sometimes test the betas and alphas
22:10<ODDity>so I dont want iceweasel
22:10<jordanm>ODDity: #mozilla
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22:11<phorce1>ls: cannot access usr/lib/libgtk-x11*: No such file or directory
22:11<phorce1>-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 5987108 2009-03-02 12:27 /usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.a
22:11<phorce1>-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 846 2009-03-02 12:26 /usr/lib/
22:11<phorce1>lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 27 2009-07-20 13:12 /usr/lib/ ->
22:11<phorce1>lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 27 2009-07-20 13:11 /usr/lib/ ->
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22:12<ODDity>phorce1: I have it in there
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22:12<ODDity> /usr/lib/
22:12<phorce1>oops -- I haven't screwed up like THAT in a while
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22:15<phorce1>ODDity: I wonder if it wants an older or newer version than 2000.1 ---- jordanm 's suggestion to ask in #mozilla is probably your best bet now. Find out what it wants to be linked to.
22:16<ODDity>gah.. it was working on my old box
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22:22<ODDity>this blows sorry
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22:28<ODDity>i giv up
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22:49<doobian>can 64-bit virtualbox run 32-bit windows?
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22:55<franki^>doobian: Yes.
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23:38<opticon>I have some new hardrives ordered for my debian server what can i use to clone the os to new drive?
23:38<opticon>also will need to resize partition to fill space new hd is bigger
23:39<Xenguy>opticon: hi...
23:39<opticon>am using debian5
23:39<Xenguy>opticon: I found a really interesting web page that did that with parted and dd, and believe it or not, it worked :P ...
23:40<Xenguy>opticon: but an easier way might be to use something like 'clonezilla' (IIRC)
23:41<Xenguy>opticon: are you interested in the original URL I mentioned BTW?
23:41<opticon>ok ill check clone out
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23:42<opticon>will i be able to resize partition with clone
23:42<Xenguy>good luck - it is a really nice time-saving trick to do this - sure beats re-installing IMHO
23:43<Xenguy>opticon: I've never actually used clonezilla, just read about it - seems to have a lot of fans tho
23:43<Xenguy>opticon: like I say, I used gparted and dd and if freekin worked - I was amazed!
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23:47<opticon>i have gparted on my live usb flash drive
23:47<opticon>what is dd
23:49<Xenguy>opticon: apt-cache show dd (or aptitude show dd )
23:49*Xenguy tries to find that URL...
23:50<Xenguy>opticon: much easier to find than I expected...
23:50<opticon>looks like fun
23:50<Xenguy>opticon: I had to adapt this guy's instructions to my 'linux' context, but as I say, it actually worked, and surprised the hell out of me actually ;-)
23:51<opticon>i hope new ver of debian doesnt come out too soon ive spent alot of time getting debian 5 setup just like i want it
23:52<Xenguy>opticon: anyway, I have a feeling that (unless you like that kind of thing) clonezilla is probably easier to do
23:52<Xenguy>opticon: debian 5 = lenny <-- yes?
23:53<opticon>i only see 1 thing off with debian tho after many months of not using things like gnome its gone
23:53<opticon>apt removed it
23:53<Xenguy>lenny should be 'stable' for awhile yet (I think they're only about to freeze squeeze soonish now)
23:53<opticon>only get tty login now with monitor hooked up
23:54<opticon>usually runs headless and managed via ssh with terminal
23:54<Xenguy>opticon: hrm, you want gnome but it's not there, or ...?
23:55<opticon>well a month or so ago apt wanted to remove this huge list of unused packages so i said ok so it would go away now with monitor hooked up and i physically try and logon to machine only get black tty login screen
23:55<Xenguy>opticon: ahh, so no X then
23:56<opticon>seems that way
23:56<Xenguy>So do you need/want X ?
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23:57<opticon>might be useful if i need to logon physically
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23:57<opticon>i can login but if i run something that has gui front end get message that says something about cant find display 0
23:57<nostmith>to install gnome the most simple way, will be to use tasksel and install the Desktop task
23:57<nostmith>but that shouldn't be done on a server, unles you really want to
23:58<opticon>desktop environment is selected in tasksel
23:58<Xenguy>opticon: yeah, it depends on if this is a desktop or server, as nostmith says
23:59<opticon>but like i said i messed up some time back and let apt remove alot of stuff i had no idea about.......
23:59<opticon>its used as server so is no big deal
23:59<Xenguy>opticon: one thing to check if you want X: I discovered that lenny has pretty much done away with the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file (which shocked the hell out of me)
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