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01:24<media>Hi, there's a problem with my Debian Lenny box: it can ping its own hostname (mediaCenter.home.local), the printer's hostname (printer.home.local), but can't ping the router's hostname (mainRouter.home.local), though nslookup gives me 'mainrouter.home.local' when using the router's IP. Anyone has a clue how to solve this/what causes this?
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01:31<Nemoder>media: if it's a static ip it may be easier to just add it to /etc/hosts otherwise you'll have to fix your dns server
01:32<Scynix>What would make debian reassign an ethernet controller from "eth2" to "eth0" on boot? I've looked over the system files and I don't see anywhere even referencing eth2, but sure enough on boot I saw that very message several times today after restarts while working
01:32<media>Nemoder: The thing is, other boxes (Ubuntu and Slackware) can ping the router by hostname just fine
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01:33<Nemoder>media: you might get more info out of the dig tool
01:33<dondelelcaro>Scynix: udev does that
01:33<dondelelcaro>Scynix: and the reason is to maintain device naming consistency
01:34<Scynix>dondelelcaro: is it normal? o_O; I added a second ethernet card but I haven't added it to be automatically brought up on boot yet because I saw that whole sequence.
01:34<dondelelcaro>Scynix: yes, it's normal.
01:34<Scynix>dondelelcaro: gotcha, thanks.
01:34<dondelelcaro>Scynix: otherwise, when you added a second ethernet card, what used to be eth0 before you put it in could become something else, like eth2
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01:35<Scynix>dondelelcaro: Yeah, I understand the purpose of the naming consistency, I just didn't want to start fiddling with anything if I was going to be creating a conflict.
01:35*dondelelcaro personally has his network devices named useful names, like wired and wireless, or lan and wan, or similar things, but consistency is ideal
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01:36<dondelelcaro>Scynix: you can just edit /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules or similar if you want to change things
01:36<Scynix>dondelelcaro: Gotcha. Thanks, I'll take a look.
01:37<dondelelcaro>np; good luck
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02:58<EmleyMoor>After all the "fun" I've had with eSATA, it has proven to be unreliable, at least on this setup - so I will stick to USB for now
03:01<amitz>EmleyMoor: in what way eSATA is unreliable?
03:01<amitz>btw, is the typical BIOS able to boot to an eSATA HD?
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03:16<EmleyMoor>amitz: My drive "fell off" while my backup program was writing to it
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03:19<amitz>EmleyMoor: ah, same thing can happen to your USB, also depending on your hardware and the slight pull on your cable.
03:20<amitz>I used to use USB HD quite extensively, run debian via USB HD.
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03:20<EmleyMoor>amitz: Yes, however eSATA has had a 100% failure rate so far for me
03:21<amitz>oh, probably external eSATA? anyway, better test your USB before doing something critical.
03:21<EmleyMoor>eSATA *is* external by definition
03:22<amitz>and not some device (at least USB) can crash your kernel... *mumble*mumble*
03:22<amitz>i mean, not built-into MB?
03:22<EmleyMoor>Ah - no - it is built in
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03:23<EmleyMoor>I had a big USB problem that I solved by kernel upgrade not long ago
03:23<amitz>hmm I see. I found USB from PCI is flaky.
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03:24*EmleyMoor has an interesting backup strategy all worked out, and it should have bedded down by the beginning of July
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03:25<EmleyMoor>June will be the first full month
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03:43<mansi>Hey friends, i need to print the value of a variable, which is another can i do it in bash?
03:43<mansi>ie, FRUIT=apple, FAVOURITE=FRUIT, $$FAVOURITE is not giving me apple...what is the correct method to print apple?
03:45<goody>ad-hoc problem: my two notebook can find each other using iwlist, but when ping to each other,there is no response,why? one ip is,the other is
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03:52<karme>goody: maybe some firewall rules?
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03:52<goody>karme: no,I have stop shorewall
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03:55<cahoot>flushed the rules?
03:55<goody>if I start dhcp server in one machine,the other one useing dhcp ip,then ping the server will success at less than 50% rate
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03:57<cahoot>goody: simply stopping the firewall won't flush the rules I think - check ste status with iptables -L
03:58<goody>cahoot, thanks,let me try
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04:18<Tak>is there any sort of table of contents as to what is on each of the cds that i'm just not finding?
04:18<Tak>I'm looking at the list of 31 cds for i386 and wondering what could all be on there
04:19<gsimmons>dpkg: tell Tak -about disk contents
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04:26<EmleyMoor>Can samba cope with exporting a directory that sometimes goes away?
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04:26<chl>what is the package name for berkeley db? i try libdb4.7* but seems it is not berkeley db.
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04:28<cahoot>libdb4.7 - Berkeley v4.7 Database Libraries [runtime]
04:30<chl>I try this but it shows 'No packages will be installed, upgraded, or removed.
04:30<chl>0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 18 not upgraded.
04:30<chl>Need to get 0B of archives. After unpacking 0B will be used.'
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04:30<chl>is there any way i can check if it is installed?
04:31<cahoot>aptitude search libdb4.7 | grep ^i
04:31<EmleyMoor>dpkg -l | grep libdb4.7
04:31<dpkg>No packages found matching | grep libdb4.7
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04:37<chl> This is the result replied after command executed, does that mean berkeley db is installed ok?
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04:46<chl>cahoot: thank you.
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05:09<HaCkOr_Aneesh>hey sup
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05:11<locklace>!nickometer HaCkOr_Aneesh
05:11<dpkg>'HaCkOr_Aneesh' is 14.000% lame, locklace
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06:43<Ree>hello. after a kernel update, grub gives me two options: 2.6.32-trunk-686 and 2.6.32-5-686. which is the newest one? trunk is listed first
06:43<dougmencken>trunk, of course
06:44<Ree>ok, thanks. trunk is always the latest?
06:44<dougmencken>yes, trunk is the obsolete name used in cvs/svn; git uses "master" and "head"
06:44<gsimmons>Ree: 2.6.32-5-686 is newer, as Debian -trunk kernel images are obsolete ; /msg dpkg trunk
06:44<babilen>Ree: No - You should boot the -5- and remove the -trunk- package
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06:45<babilen>Ree: Read
06:46<Ree>babilen: thank you
06:46<dougmencken>hmm, strange versioning sheme then
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07:09<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat
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07:26<dodddummy>macbuntu finally made me look for a new distro. so i went to debian. so far so great. one question: iceweasel used my firefox settings with no problems. but icedove isn't using my thunderbird settings. is there a way to make that happen?
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07:55<dv->dodddummy: version mismatch?
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07:56<wahz>hi, I'm having an issue with terminal windows when using ratpoison
07:56<dodddummy>dv-, no.
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07:56<dodddummy>dv-, but since i'm planning to use debian for a long time, i just deleted my thunderbird directory anyway
07:57<wahz>the terminal window is maximised; but the contents of the terminal are small (looks like the size is 80 characters wide)
07:57<wahz>so basically, only a small region on the top left of the window is used
07:57<locklace>wahz: what terminal emulator
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07:58<wahz>rxvt and xvt are the ones that I've tried
07:59<locklace>wahz: what happens if you run "resize; vi"
08:00<wahz>looks like I don't have "resize" installed; do you happen to know which package provides it? (aptitude didn't help much)
08:01<locklace>xterm, oddly enough
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08:02<wahz>oh okay, I'll install xterm and try
08:02<locklace>actually the above command won't do the right thing with this resize
08:02<locklace>it needs to be "eval `resize`" instead
08:03<wahz>you got it
08:03<locklace>all it does is set some shell variables anyway
08:04<wahz>and also, I installed xterm and the size on it was fine, even before running resize
08:04<locklace>it seems there's something funny going on with SIGWINCH sending or handling
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08:06<wahz>well, I've put the eval resize in bashrc, I think I'm good to go
08:06<wahz>thanks again
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08:25<test2423>how can i check the keyring verified signature of a .deb
08:25<test2423>like when using synaptic or apt-get it will cehck package signatures
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08:25<test2423>but if i use dpkg -i localpackage it will install it anyway
08:25<test2423>which is what i dont want
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08:26<test2423>man page for dpkg says its supposed to check signatures automatically but it doesnt seem to
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08:30<test2423>no one knows how to verify sig of a local package?
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08:31<dextrad>HALLO TO ALL
08:31<test2423>i want to verify a local package
08:32<dextrad>WHAT PACKAGE
08:32<test2423>i want to verify A local package
08:32<test2423>just how to do it, thx
08:32<dextrad>WHAT IS IT
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08:32<test2423>why do you insist on being obstructive?
08:32<test2423>i just want to know how to verify local packages
08:33<test2423>either you are going to tell me how to do it or not
08:34<dpkg>Don't write words all in capital letters unless they're abbreviations. To emphasize words, put an underscore ("_") on both sides.
08:34<dextrad>oky i am sorry
08:34<locklace>dextrad: do you have a debian question
08:34<test2423>dpkg why dont u work lol
08:34<dpkg>wish i knew, test2423
08:35<test2423>me 2...
08:35<ansgar>test2423: Individual .debs are not signed. Only the repository-metadata which includes cryptoraphic hashes of the packages is.
08:35<test2423>debs arent signed? lol
08:35<test2423>are you saying anyone can poison a .deb on any mirror
08:36<ansgar>test2423: Read the seconed sentence I wrote as well...
08:36<test2423>ok well
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08:36<test2423>im going to make it simple..
08:36<test2423>when i use apt-get or synaptic to install a package
08:37<test2423>it will check signatures, and if it is not found with a key in the keyring it will warn me
08:37<dextrad>no i dont have a question it is my first time to use this and are not sure of what this is a shat thing or what
08:37<test2423>however if i try to use dpkg -i to install a local package
08:37<test2423>it will just install it
08:37<test2423>even if it is not authenticated with any key that is in my keyring
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08:37<test2423>i want to check a local package somehow
08:37<locklace>dextrad: this is a channel for debian support, - if you just want to chat, find a different place
08:38<test2423>i tried debsig-verify but it doesnt seem to be working
08:38<ansgar>test2423: The signature thas is verified apt-get (or aptitude, ...) is included in the repository meta-data, *not* in the individual .deb files.
08:38<test2423>there should be a way to do it with dpkg
08:38<ODDity>would there be such a little package to more finely control CPU/GPU temps by way of slowing the fans down when they're not needed as much available at all?
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08:39<ansgar>test2423: No, there is not. dpkg does not konow about signatures at all.
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08:39<dextrad>sorry no i dont want to chat but it ist good to know that i can get support here have a nice day
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08:40<ODDity>mm yes
08:40<test2423>well how does a .deb get verified when i download it from a mirror with apt-get
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08:41<ansgar>test2423: apt-get verifies the signature of the Release file (Release.gpg). This containes a cryptographic hash of the package list so this can be verified.
08:41<ODDity>was wondering if anyone knew of a specific package I should look for
08:41<hstrutz>hi. I just bought a second hand thinkpad x31. it was supposed to been shipped with "Atheros AR5001X+ WLAN" but lspci -v doesn't show list any wireless devices. the ath5k-driver loads nicely, but doesn't do much good since the computer can't find the wireless-device. i am at this point pretty frustrated.
08:42<ansgar>test2423: The package list contains hashes for each .deb file and thus they can be verified as well.
08:42<ansgar>test2423: But if you don't have the Release or Packages file, you cannot verify any signature.
08:43<hstrutz>is there a way to double check if there in fact exist a wireless-device in my computer(lenovo/thinkpad x31)?
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08:43<valdyn>hstrutz: if lspci does not show it then its not there
08:43<hstrutz>horse shit.
08:43<abrotman>or it's USB?
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08:44<valdyn>hstrutz: its probably a mini-pc card that you can look at by opening the cover on the backside
08:44<valdyn>mini-pci even
08:44<hstrutz>no, I don't think so. but thinkpad has these FN-buttons and I am not sure if the wireless function is turned on or off...
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08:45<valdyn>hstrutz: that doesnt hide the hardware
08:45<ml|>test2423: you read more about package signing ....
08:45<valdyn>hstrutz: its also a soft key as far as i know, meaning the OS gets to switch off the radio when you hit those keys
08:45<test2423>i would just like a way to verify a manually downloaded .deb, one that may be out of date from
08:46<test2423>but i know when my head is against a brick wall
08:46<test2423>i will stop
08:46<test2423>i will simply work around it
08:46<test2423>ive wasted enough of both of our time
08:47<abrotman>it has an md5sum
08:47<valdyn>test2423: has old packages
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08:47<test2423>so i should just grab the release file and hash the package myself and compare?
08:48<valdyn>test2423: i would grab the package again from
08:48<valdyn>test2423: ( if it is available there )
08:48<hstrutz>lspci shows this: "ethernet controller: intel corporation 82801DB PRO/100 VE(MOB) (rev 81)" <-- is that the wireless-card?
08:48<valdyn>hstrutz: no
08:49<hstrutz>so, I haven't got one then....
08:49<valdyn>hstrutz: maybe it really is a cardbus card
08:49<hstrutz>but it should show up as a cardbus card with lspci? right?
08:50<valdyn>hstrutz: i dont know, maybe only after the cardbus drivers are loaded
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08:51<abrotman>hstrutz: is there another OS on the system?
08:52<hstrutz>ok. hm. well thanks anyhow. I will try to find som solution... but one last thing.. the computer got a wireless-symbol under the screen - at right-hand side from the battery-symbol - the b-symbol got a light, but the wireless-symbol doesn't, nor has it ever had a light. (sorry for my confusing enlgish)
08:52<hstrutz>abrotman: only debian,.
08:52<valdyn>I cant believe there would be an x31 without wireless
08:52<valdyn>unless someone removed it
08:53<hstrutz>me neither, but it should be enough to load the module? right? iwconfig doesn't show nothing
08:53<abrotman>or it died
08:53<abrotman>hstrutz: if lspci and lsusb don't see it, and you know there is a card, it's likely a problem with the hardware
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08:54<hstrutz>"mobile PCI bridge", has nothing to do with the wireless?
08:54<abrotman>if you don't know for certain there is a card, flip the laptop over, most thinkpads have a small access panel for the wifi card
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08:54<valdyn>hstrutz: should be a mini pci slot on the back, you can easily open that and look
08:54<abrotman>hstrutz: put all of 'lspci -nn' in a pastebin
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08:55<hstrutz>abrotman, will do, will take some time only. need to copy from the usb-stick and then to this computer. hold on.
08:56<abrotman>might want to include the output from lsusb also
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08:59<hstrutz> <-- both lspci and lsusb
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09:01<abrotman>hstrutz: what is the USB device plugged in ?
09:01<abrotman>but no, i don't see any PCI wifi device
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09:02<hstrutz>abrotman, you mean the usbstick? to the usb-input or what you call it.
09:02<abrotman>okay .. i'd flip it over and check for an access panel to verify it actually exists
09:03<hstrutz>will try to do that...
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09:05<hstrutz>my screwdriver is to big to open this thing with out destroying it... so it need to wait...
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09:07<abrotman>you might be able to check in the BIOS
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09:12<hstrutz>ok, thanks for the help.... I will try to hunt down the person who sold it to me instead...
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10:07<damianos>Hi, I have a quesion. I am noob if we are talking about debian (Mostly I have been using archlinux since last few years). Today I installed debian-netinstall and then migrate from squeeze to sid
10:08<damianos>in sid there is kernel 2.6.32
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10:08<damianos>sid is unstable version and I am wondering how often kernel is changed from one version to anther
10:08<damianos>for example now stable kernel is 2.6.33
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10:09<damianos>is it possible that kernel 2.6.33 will be in sid in near future?
10:09<babilen>sure - do you need that kernel?
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10:10<damianos>yes, I have ati card which is supported quite good last time directly from kernel via kms and dri and drm modules
10:10<babilen>well, then compile the kernel yourself
10:10<damianos>and in 2.6.33 support is better then in 2.6.32
10:10<valdyn>damianos: sid is used to create debian/stable, theres no rules about when it gets new kernels
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10:10<babilen>!tell damianos about make-kpkg
10:11<damianos>so, it should be any issues when i compile for instance 2.6.34 rc-sth???
10:11<valdyn>damianos: its possible that it wont get a new one at all till squeeze is released
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10:11<valdyn>damianos: do we know that 2.6.34 wont break current udev?
10:12<damianos>ok, so it will be more safe to compile 2.6.33 - I just wanted to know if it's possible
10:12<valdyn>damianos: easily possible
10:12<valdyn>!kp mantra
10:12<dpkg>well, kp mantra is make-kpkg clean ; export VER=$(date +'%Y%m%d') NAMEEXT="-$(hostname)-$(dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_ARCH)"; make-kpkg --revision=$VER --append-to-version=$NAMEEXT --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image modules_image . Add --initrd before kernel_image if you need an <initrd>.
10:13<dpkg>[kernel-package] To compile a kernel The Debian Way(tm) "aptitude install kernel-package build-essential libncurses5-dev" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz. You should also ask me about <make-kpkg>, <kp mantra> and <kernel build-deps>.
10:13<damianos>that's good valdyn, I guess that i can find some descirpition how to do in in debian way?
10:13<ml|>damianos: also /msg dpkg khb
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10:24<Do[k]Ho`>does someone use lirc on debian sid ?
10:24<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
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10:24<Do[k]Ho`>i have a problem with lircmd, it doesn't work
10:25<locklace>!doesn't work
10:25<dpkg>Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions> and <errors>.
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10:26<abrotman>give us more detail
10:26<Do[k]Ho`>i've make the lircmd.conf but mouse cursor doesn't move
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10:26<Do[k]Ho`>(sorry for my english, i'm french. i come here because everybody sleep on french debian channel)
10:27<Do[k]Ho`>everything is working except the mouse emulation
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10:31<Do[k]Ho`>nobody use lirc here ?
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11:19<miguel000>how can i watch a dvd?
11:20<babilen>miguel000: Well, insert it and use a program like vlc to watch it. You might have to install libdvdcss though which is not shipped with Debian
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11:20<babilen>!tell miguel000 about libdvdcss
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11:21<babilen>miguel000: You can also use the repository/debs provided by videolan
11:21<miguel000>there ist a libdvdcss , when i do aptitude search
11:21<miguel000>as well as a libdvdcss2
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11:21<michael_k>hello all. are squeeze questions OK?
11:21<locklace>michael_k: yeah
11:22<babilen>miguel000: Could you paste the output of "apt-cache policy libdvdcss2" to please
11:22<miguel000>it seems, its in the repository
11:22<babilen>miguel000: Well, install it :)
11:23<miguel000> 500 lenny/main Packages
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11:23<miguel000>yeah just did it!
11:23<miguel000>thank you, hope mplayer will work now with dvds
11:23<babilen>you need that to decipher encrypted DVDs
11:23<babilen>miguel000: mplayer might work - i use vlc most of the time as i haven't yet found a DVD it won't play.
11:23<michael_k>I can't get the middle (actually, thumb on mine) mouse button to paste in Xorg. Google has been distinctively unhelpful and the old fix from lenny didn't do anything. In Iceweasel, the thumb button backs instead of pastes (and yes, middlemouse.contentLoadURL is true). squeeze up to date as of a few minutes ago. any suggestions where to start?
11:24<michael_k>(install path was Lenny 5.0.4 plus dist-upgrade to squeeze main only)
11:24<miguel000>hooeay, its working now!
11:24<babilen>miguel000: Enjoy your movie :)
11:24<miguel000>so the missing library was the only problem, thank you again babilen !
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11:49<laiq>can any body help me how to install vga driver
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11:50<babilen>what kind of card do you have? give me the output of "lspci -nn|grep VGA" please
11:50<laiq>i have problem with my 3d card
11:50<laiq>ati 9200
11:50<babilen>what might the problem be?
11:50<laiq>let me brief you
11:51<laiq>initially it was ok
11:51<laiq>but when i installed ati catalyst programme my screen got flicker with abnormal behavious
11:52<laiq>i restarted my computer and observed that there is no wobbly effect enable
11:52<laiq>i have tried many times but vissual effects are disabled now
11:52<laiq>initially there were on and working fine
11:52<babilen>ok, so you installed the ATI drivers from ATI and not from a Debian package?
11:52<laiq>i have first time installed ubuntu
11:53<babilen>Are you using Ubuntu?
11:53<laiq>i am not familier with many command
11:53<laiq>now i am using ubuntu
11:53<laiq>what is debian?
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11:53<babilen>This is a Debian channel. Ubuntu is based on Debian but changes a few things, so you should ask in #ubuntu on
11:54<laiq>i think some thing went wrong because i had installed many ati dirvers from ubuntu software center
11:54<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
11:54<laiq>kindly tell me step by step
11:54<laiq>i do not know many things in ubuntu
11:55<laiq>1st tell me how i can find that my 3rd card driver installed or not
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11:55<abrotman>laiq: this channel is not for Ubuntu support
11:56<babilen>laiq: There are different Linux distributions and you are using Ubuntu. This channel is for Debian support and does not support Ubuntu. You can go to the Ubuntu channel by issuing the following commands "/server" and "/join #ubuntu"
11:56<babilen>laiq: Good luck
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11:56<dodddummy>debian: ubuntu done right.
11:56<dodddummy>a little joke
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11:59<erKURITA>dodddummy I'd prefer "Ubuntu: Debian gone bad, wrong and awfully messed up"
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12:02<dodddummy>erKURITA, i'm with you. i switched to ubuntu about 5 years ago just because of shipit. well, that and i was looking for a distro to get away from mandrake. but i chose ubuntu for shipit. but the last year or it's they're turning into macbuntu. this last release was too much. on the bright side i pushed me to sid which seems to be exactly what i've been looking for.
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12:34<yupe>how to setup mailserver at debian lenny with postfix???
12:35<yupe>i can't send mail and recive mail???
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12:35<yupe>what the problem???
12:35<michael_k>yupe: what do the log files say?
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12:38<michael_k>yupe: see point 2c.
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12:39<michael_k>yupe: and please quit sending me private messages.
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12:40<michael_k>yupe: again: what do the log files say?
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13:20<elashish>i was wondering if anyone here knows how to compile latex documents using arial
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13:21<elashish>i used these three commands at the top
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13:22<elashish>but it seems not to find the uarial.sty and i don't know where to install it from
13:22<simonrvn>don't paste in here
13:22<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>.
13:23<elashish>obviously without the comments
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13:25<simonrvn>not in debian -> uarial.sty
13:25<simonrvn>apt-file doesn't find it
13:25<simonrvn>ctan perhaps
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13:29<elashish>i found these
13:29<elashish>they give errors though...
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13:32<novikoff>hi people
13:32<novikoff>got a trouble
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13:33<novikoff>i want to upgrade to sid or squeesm dont know how to
13:34<Torsten_W>if you don't know how, don't do it
13:34<babilen>novikoff: Why do you want to "upgrade" ?
13:35<ml|>novikoff: and /msg dpkg sid and testing
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13:35<novikoff>many of the libs are old, some troubles with new software
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13:36<ml|>!es sandra
13:36<dpkg>sandra: Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat
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13:37<sandra>quien sea adios
13:37<babilen>novikoff: I've written a mail about that to d-u recently. You can find it here: - If you still want to run testing/sid "/msg dpkg lenny->squeeze"
13:38<novikoff>babilen, thanx
13:39<sandra>¿como te llamas?
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13:39<WiL>ve a debian-es
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13:40<sandra>¿estas ahi?
13:40<locklace>sandra: aqui se habla ingles solamente
13:40<WiL>privado entonces
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13:40<sandra>¿quienes sois?
13:40<locklace>sandra: hablan ingles o salir
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13:41<sandra>NO me da la gana
13:41<locklace>sandra: hablan ingles o tu sera expulsado y prohibio
13:42<sandra>¿te vas?
13:42<aiux>!ops sandra spam
13:42<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: aiux complains about: sandra spam
13:42<sandra>¿cuantos años tienes?
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13:43<WiL>cambia de canal a debian-es
13:43<WiL>o por privado
13:43<sandra>adios me tengo q ir chao
13:43<sandra>adios hasta otro dia q coincidamos
13:43<locklace>!slap sandra
13:43*dpkg strikes a resounding *THWAP* across sandra's face
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14:02<darsie>Hi! How cCan I install debian stable
14:02<darsie>Hi! How can I install debian stable with ext4 fs?
14:02<babilen>darsie: Read the install guide - /msg dpkg ig
14:03<darsie>ok ...
14:03<babilen>you need the kmuto images
14:05<darsie>or can I preformat my root partition for the installer?
14:05<darsie>hmm, the installer kernel has to support ext4 ...
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14:10<novikoff>babilen, that is very useful article, now i have things to think about
14:11*babilen hands novikoff a tumbler of talisker
14:11<babilen>novikoff: enjoy the thinking :)
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14:56<PresClinton>Would anybody like to suggest a good dual boot program for vista64 and Debian? I would like to move away from Microsoft and Apple isn't an option for me. During the move I will have to keep Vista64 for work reasons until I can use some sort of distro with ease. Thanks.
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14:58<PresClinton>...ok either nobody wants to help or these are all bots in here?
14:58<babilen>!tell PresClinton about dual boot guide
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14:59<babilen>PresClinton: I would assume Debian to configure the boot loader (grub) to include the possibility to boot your Vista installation as well. But I haven't used windows in a decade and am therefore not entirely sure.
14:59<PresClinton>babilen do you know if I will have to use a USB or CD to install it or can I download it within windows and install it from there?
14:59<babilen>PresClinton: And 2 minutes response time is *great* - so be patient after you've asked a question
15:00<PresClinton>well I didnt know if it was all bots in here or people were busy
15:00<PresClinton>(ive seen many channels with all bots in the past)
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15:00<babilen>PresClinton: There used to be a method to install Debian from witin windows, but I guess the easiest way is to use a CD with the install image
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15:01<pippo>I'm not a c/c++ developer but I need compile a little program. When I compile I get the follow error message: 4.4.1
15:01<babilen>PresClinton: (not officially supported though)
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15:01<pippo>error: ‘memcpy’ was not declared in this scope
15:01<PresClinton>yeah im 400 miles away from electricity without a gen so finding a blank CD might be a challenge. I will research it and see if I can find an answer. Thanks for your help and I will talk more later.
15:01<babilen>pippo: Paste the complete error to a pastebin
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15:02<pippo>babilen: ok, btw I've already pasted it. Is about memcpy is not declared in the scope
15:02<babilen>PresClinton: If you require further help, just ask! Good luck :)
15:03<pippo>This is quite strange for me, I think is a problem of gcc. I use gcc version 4.4.1, do you know how fix it?
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15:05<pippo>which is the url of pastebin?
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15:11<pippo>here is the error I get when I compile with gcc 4.4.1:
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15:14<babilen>pippo: You probably need to add #include <cstring> in the appropriate places
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15:16<PresClinton>anybody know the reason for my vista64 to give me the msg 'unable to run bcdedit.exe within the debian-installer loader setup? I have googled it but with my inexperience I would like further help.
15:16<babilen>sorry - we (I) don't support that installer. Do you really have no CD blank around?
15:17<nostmith>i want to extend a lvm pv that has an active lv, mounted as /, over some free space on the same disk, but i need to be sure that i won't get locked out in the process, since is a remote host. anyone done something like this?
15:18<locklace>nostmith: man pvresize
15:18<PresClinton>babilen no I do not have a blank CD or I would have used it as I fear installing an OS within vista
15:18<amphi>PresClinton: usb stick?
15:18<nostmith>locklace, thanks. i forgot about the man pages. :D
15:19<PresClinton>none it got killed in an attack
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15:19<PresClinton>(wars are fun)
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15:19<babilen>well ...
15:19<PresClinton>i have to stick to vista dont I?
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15:20<babilen>PresClinton: Wars? Where are you? Ok, so to summarise: "You don't have a CD blank or USB stick and no way to get one. You have a working vista64 installation but the goodbye-microsoft installer exits with the error you quoted above" correct?
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15:22<PresClinton>That is correct. I am researching it and a lot of people have the same issue. The installation needs to be ran under admin but installs arent allowed in admin as you are logged in under safe mode.
15:23<babilen>PresClinton: And you have no way to get admin access to the computer? Why do you think that you are allowed to install Debian on it?
15:23<babilen>PresClinton: You could order Debian CDs
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15:23<pippo>babilen: you're right. Finally it works!!! You saved me a lot of time (unfortunatly i'm not c/c++ developer)
15:23<pippo>thabk you
15:24<PresClinton>I can get admin its my computer... its Microsoft security settings thats stopping me nothing more
15:24<locklace>pippo: itym "fortunately"
15:24<babilen>pippo: great :) you are welcome - enjoy whatever program you managed to compile
15:24<PresClinton>Hold on I might have the answer :)
15:24<babilen>PresClinton: \o/
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15:25<babilen>"Microsoft security settings thats stopping me" WTF?
15:26<babilen>PresClinton: Looks as if the thread you linked has the answer to your problem - have you tried the suggestions?
15:26<PresClinton>UAC settings within Vista (the security) stops installation of debian
15:26<PresClinton>see link
15:27<PresClinton>i will try to repair my usb its just cracked and the tiny wires on the board arent connected any longer
15:27<PresClinton>I have a lighter and a needle... lets see how good I am :) brb
15:27<babilen>yeah - but it mentions a way to disable the settings. You might also want to ask in ##windows on
15:28<PresClinton>it was already disabled within vista as im logged in as admin but it still wont run. i have no clue, i design bridges not install OS's
15:28<babilen>PresClinton: Would be a solution if everything else fails? Can you order blanks?
15:29<PresClinton>do they drop ship in african plains? we dont have mail here. hold on
15:30<babilen>PresClinton: Ok, so you have *no* way to acquire any installation media but you *need* to install Debian from within windows?
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15:30<babilen>Do you have a linux server around somewhere? (just asking)
15:31<petemc>PresClinton: tried pressing ctl alt delete twice at the login screen to get a login prompt that allows you to change the username to administator?
15:32<PresClinton>i have 4 trees 9 guys 2 computers 4, 5 gallon water holds a front loader and 7 bottles of home made whiskey
15:32<babilen>and a DSL uplink :)
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15:32<PresClinton>petemc I am logged in as admin
15:33<babilen>PresClinton: Have you tried ##windows on
15:33<PresClinton>i dont know why it doesnt work but many people have the same issue if you read the googled pages
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15:33<PresClinton>Babilen no I have not. I will give it a shot but wont they hate me for trying to move away from Microsoft?
15:33<babilen>I don't have any experience with that installer ...
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15:34<babilen>PresClinton: They are hanging around on freenode, so I don't think that they will hate you for trying to fix a technical issue with windows (whatever your motivation is)
15:34<babilen>at least they should - :-\
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15:35<PresClinton>ok please hold gunfire
15:37<babilen>How did you manage to get online with NTT?
15:37<PresClinton>whats NTT?
15:37<hstrutz>uhm. don't flame me now, but since I have so much problem with the wireless-card in my thinkpad x31(it doesn't show in lspci) have I reached the conclusion of installing xp on the puter to see if things works better there... anyhow, the question: what file system should I have a on bootable usb-stick with xp on the sleeve? vfat?
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15:39<babilen>PresClinton: your ISP
15:39<PresClinton>i thought it was called satcom
15:40<PresClinton>again i build bridges I dont know must beyond CAD
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15:40<PresClinton>brb fire is dien
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15:43<babilen>hstrutz: hang on
15:43<hstrutz>babilen, will do. :-)
15:43<babilen>hstrutz: - is your wireless card listed there?
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15:45<hstrutz>babilen, can't fint it. its a Atheros.
15:45<hstrutz>(Atheros AR5001X+ WLAN )
15:46<babilen>hstrutz: Have you bought that card seperately?
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15:46<babilen>hstrutz: And that card does not appear in the lspci output, but windows is able to find it? It should be supported by the ath5k module in Debian lenny
15:46<hstrutz>no, I got this computer last week, second-hand. so im just trying it out now.
15:47<PresClinton>does Debian support satcom?
15:47<hstrutz>babilen, yeah, I thinking if it could be something with the thinkpad-hotkeys. since the wireless symbol under the screen isn't indicating its ON... and FN+F5 doesn't seem to work to activate it.
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15:48<babilen>hstrutz: My thinkpad has a hardware switch for the wireless adaptor - is it turned off on your computer?
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15:49<PresClinton>thinkpads are Fun F5
15:49<hstrutz>babilen, thats the thing.. well, my switch is the FN+F5-key -- but it doesn't seem to work
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15:49<PresClinton>(Function F5)
15:49<babilen>PresClinton: Stop that please
15:49<PresClinton>stop what?
15:49<babilen>hstrutz: No physical switch?
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15:50<babilen>hstrutz: And the LED is typically not illuminated when the interface is not up (i.e. trying to connect/connected)
15:50<hstrutz>no, I haven't found it yet... but it must be FN+F5, right? could there be any other?
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15:51<babilen>hstrutz: My T60 has a physical switch - thought your X31 *might* have one too. If that switch is turned off, you don't see the device
15:51<hstrutz>babilen, i know, i know. I have used several laptops... but don't you use FN+F5 to fire up your wireless on your thinkpad too?
15:51<babilen>hstrutz: no - I just bring up the interface ...
15:51<hstrutz>ok, I will look again... but, hrm .:-)
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15:53<babilen>hstrutz: The card is found and usable on Windows but not on Debian. It does not show in the lspci output and if you issue "modprobe ath5k && iwconfig ; ifconfig -a" the interface is not shown?
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15:54<hstrutz>I have no idea if it shows up in xp... But it seems I am forced to install xp in the computer to see if there would be any differance.
15:55<babilen>Ah, could you paste the output of "lspci -nn" and the commands I've given above to please?
15:55<babilen>(if any)
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15:56<hstrutz>abrotman and valdyn(?) has already checked that output -- there wasn't any wireless card to be seen there...
15:57<babilen>alright ... names to trust :)
15:57<babilen>and the "ifconfig -a" "iwconfig" ones?
15:57<hstrutz>but anyhow... my question: I've got a iso file of a xp-installation-cd, since the x31 haven't got a cd-driver I need to boot from a usb-stick, what file system does windows usually use for booting xp-cd-roms?
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15:58<babilen>no idea - ask ##windows on
15:58<babilen>don't you have a recovery partition on your X31?
15:58<hstrutz>I hate windows... but I don't seem to have any choice here...
15:59<hstrutz>I could remove /home... but, I could just aswell install debian later on again, no probs.
15:59<babilen>hstrutz: ← deleted that one?
15:59<PresClinton>Cant I just partition my drive, place the Debian OS into the partition and boot from there?
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16:00<hstrutz>babilen, what? well thanks for your help.. .I gonna try this usb-stick now.... so long.
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16:01<amphi>I think the hw rfkill switch is somewhat recent stinkpad 'innovation'
16:01<graytron>hstrutz: can you see anything interesting under /sys/class/rfkill/
16:02<babilen>hstrutz: thinkpads have a (hidden) partition that contains everything you need to reinstall the original windows that came with it. Read the linked article - you basically press the ThinkPas button during boot and choose "recovery"
16:03<babilen>amphi: And probably one of the few features i *never* use :-\
16:03<nostmith>PresClinton, i'd try installing xp from a mounted iso onto a new partition and try the debian installer from there while runing xp
16:03<amphi>babilen: I only use it inadvertantly, curse it ;)
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16:03<babilen>amphi: exactly !
16:03<hstrutz>babilen, that would be wonderful if it worked... will try it out.
16:04<amphi>every time I do, I intend to cover it with tape, but I still haven't got round to it
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16:05<edrz>is xpdf printing via cups known to be broken in squeeze?
16:05<babilen>hstrutz: just give me the output of "fdisk -l"
16:05<hstrutz>but this thinkpad is pretty old, so im pretty sure that that partition is long gone...
16:05<hstrutz>im turning the monster on now... hold on,
16:05<babilen>hstrutz: might be - might still be there. Just reboot and try it, or check the fdisk -l output
16:06<babilen>hstrutz: press the "thinkpad" "thinkvantage" or whatever button
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16:06<edrz>i used to be able to tell it to print with "lp -d printer" but that fails now.
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16:10<hstrutz>fdisk -l just displays linux partitions aswell as one big "extended" partition -- but that has to be a linux partition also, I imagine.
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16:10<babilen>well - it's labeled Compaq diagnostics IRC
16:10<amphi>hstrutz: it's probably gone; I fdisked mine away along with the other junk
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16:12<babilen>hstrutz: Would have saved you the hassle now. Thought i mention it though ...
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16:12<graytron>babilen: Compaq Thinkpad?
16:13<babilen>graytron: partition label
16:14*babilen stops the thinkpad-technobabble now ... before i start with hidden protected area or ultrabay frobnicator ;)
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16:18<c0ntr0lpunk>ok lasvian im back i accidentally pulled out my charger and it froze please repeat anything u said after my last message
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16:41<nostmith>what virtualization should/can i use for a dual pentium d 3.40 processor? it seems that kvm might not work on it
16:43<babilen>virtualbox maybe? or quemu or xen or ... /msg dpkg virtualization
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16:50<ml|>nostmith: egrep '(vmx|svm)' --color=always /proc/cpuinfo ; if you nothing back, that cpu does not support hardware virtualization
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16:59<nostmith>so i guess it doesn't support hardware virtualization, any other *tested* solutions?
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17:01<LamdaKapa>Hello, I added a user test; setted up quota for test; deluser test; adduser test; but the quota didn't cleared
17:01<LamdaKapa>how to clear quota?
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17:10<LamdaKapa>Hello, I added a user test; setted up quota for test; deluser test; adduser test; but the quota didn't cleared
17:10<LamdaKapa><LamdaKapa> how to clear quota?
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17:11<ml|>nostmith: iirc you can still use vbox, just won't run as fast
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17:15<babilen>nostmith,ml|: sure - and qemu and a couple of others like xen or vmvare - /msg dpkg virtualization
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17:16<nostmith>i've heard that xen will be unsupported at some point, is it so?
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17:19<Guest317>what's up guys?
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17:31<Metrahla>ive installle the firmware driver for my ATI .. its the non - free package, ive installed it with synaptics , i used a command to print wich driver being used.. it says its the "radeon" driver, however i cant be shure if my computer is runnning with the firmware driver because the Opens source driver( the free driver) also had the name of radeon
17:32<Metrahla>anyone helping ? how can i be shure if my firmware driver is runnng
17:32<Metrahla>may it be installled automaticly when in installl the package ?
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17:33<blockowitsch>hello. is it somehow possible to create a virtual ethernet adapter that redirects everything to a socks proxy?
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17:33<Aleric>Hmm... what does it mean if I see this kind of messages in dmesg?
17:33<Aleric>[ 6.603522] raid1: raid set md0 active with 3 out of 3 mirrors
17:33<Aleric>[ 6.603541] md0: detected capacity change from 0 to 98566144
17:33<Aleric>[ 6.604735] md0: unknown partition table
17:33<Aleric>[ 6.736911] md: md1 stopped.
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17:33<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>.
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17:43<Aleric>Ok, this is bad... I just crashed again :/
17:43<Aleric>How can I run a full diagnostic on my RAID5?
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17:51<valdyn>Metrahla: the non-free driver is not a firmware driver
17:51<valdyn>Metrahla: its called fglrx, not radeon
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17:54<valdyn>Aleric: what is crashing your system?
17:54<valdyn>Aleric: or did you just get kicked for pasting?
17:54<Aleric>valdyn: I crashed twice today - while linking a large binary
17:54<Aleric>And during reboot I get weird messages about RAID status not being ok and resyncing md1
17:55<Aleric>So, it seems that something is wrong with my harddisks... I'd like to run a diagnostic
17:55<valdyn>Aleric: your raid has to resync because you crashed, that does not hint at your harddisk being broken
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17:56<Aleric>It's a pretty hard lockup though, have to hard reboot - so maybe the raid message are related to that :/
17:56<valdyn>Aleric: thats just a blind guess, theres no link between crash and harddisks right now
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17:57<Aleric>I had simular lock ups a few weeks ago - and then it turned out to be my video card making a bad contact ... it was always during running a 3D application and it stopped after I removed/cleaned/put back the video card... But now it suddenly started again and every time when I'm linking that binary :/
17:58<valdyn>Aleric: run memtest86
17:58<valdyn>Aleric: check temperatures
17:58<Aleric>It pretty heavy disk access then... doing 10 to 30 MB/s on every harddisk for a whole minute at least
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17:59<Aleric>Temperatures of the simms?
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17:59<valdyn>Aleric: whatever you have sensors for
17:59<Aleric>That all looks ok.
18:00<Aleric>harddisks are 33 to 38 degrees celcius, GPU is 45, cores are currently 42 to 44, and 65 when fully loaded.
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18:02<valdyn>Aleric: that looks ok
18:03<valdyn>Aleric: does your system hang every time you link that binary?
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18:04<Aleric>No, but when it hung it was while linking (and running a 3D application).
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18:05<Aleric>/proc/mdstat looks fine, so does the mdadm --detail /dev/mdx output.
18:05<valdyn>Aleric: you have nothing hinting at the disk being broken
18:05<valdyn>Aleric: you could use smartmontools, but i bet this is more likely a heat issue
18:05<valdyn>Aleric: or just broken ram
18:06<Aleric>It's not a heat issue...
18:06<valdyn>Aleric: how would you know that?
18:07<Aleric>It's not related to how long the machine is up or the room temperature :p ... and I recently remounted the cooling blocks making the temps go down 20 degrees.
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18:07<Cascabo>cooling blocks?
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18:08<Aleric>I replaced the cpu cooler.
18:08<valdyn>Aleric: replacing the cpu coolor only cools the cpu
18:08<Aleric>I suppose it's the same problem as before: instablity of the video card :(
18:08<valdyn>Aleric: that doesnt make your system less vulnerable to heat, only the cpu
18:09<valdyn>( actually it heats up everything *except* for the cpu )
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18:10<Metrahla>valdyn, so after installing the non free package.. what actions can i take? .. ive seen on the chipset list .. my chipset is suported, i got a m6 ly equivelent to the r100
18:11<valdyn>Metrahla: is that even supported by the fglrx driver?
18:11<Aleric>Wow - that is REALLY weird
18:11<Nappz>Getting this error when trying to install libperl-dev I have apt-get updated and all that jazz. Here is my sources.list
18:11<Aleric>It DID crash at the EXACT same moment!
18:12<Metrahla>valdyn, i dunno.. the wiki web page mentions about firmware.. (im shure about that) .. and it mentions about non free driver :S
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18:12<Metrahla>dunno more
18:12<Metrahla>can i paste?
18:12<Aleric>I'm compile the second life viewer, SnowGlobe 2.0... after linking for about a whole minute the last step is to make the executable executable (chmod +x).
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18:12<valdyn>Metrahla: the M7 is not supported by fglrx so your chip likely is not supported either
18:13<valdyn>Metrahla: so stick to the radeon driver, its perfectly fine
18:13<Metrahla>valdyn, can i paste the debian wiki link ?
18:13<valdyn>Metrahla: sure
18:13<Aleric>The first time I crashed today it had written out the binary, but it wasn't executable (after I rebooted). Now that is again the case!
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18:13<Aleric>-rw-r--r-- 1 carlo carlo 470781083 May 16 23:38 secondlife-bin
18:13<Aleric>Lemme test if that is the full size...
18:14<simonrvn>Aleric: go see their channel on freenode
18:14<Metrahla>valdyn, well but for curiosity id like to c what the driver does
18:14<valdyn>Metrahla: ok, i get it
18:14<Metrahla>valdyn, mine (m6 ly) i think its equievelent to the r100
18:14<Aleric>simonrvn: I *am* a developer and already on that channel thus :p
18:14<simonrvn>well ok, fine then ;)
18:14<valdyn>Metrahla: whats your kernel version?
18:15<Metrahla>lenny 5.0 ?
18:15<Metrahla>(oh i know that theres some new kernel that brings a new radoen driver .. a free one )
18:16<valdyn>Metrahla: that firmware package is not needed in lenny with the lenny kernel
18:16<valdyn>Metrahla: if your driver currently used is "radeon" as you already told us then everything is already fine..
18:17<Aleric>Yup, that is the full size... so it finishes linking and then crashes the kernel right after before chmod-ing it +x :/
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18:18<Metrahla>valdyn, the what does the firmware package do ?
18:19<valdyn>Metrahla: the wiki explains what it does for radeon
18:19<valdyn>Metrahla: it does nothing for the radeon driver used in lenny though
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18:22<Cascabo>lenny 5.0.4 with kernel 2.8.6 or 2.6.26-2-686 is the latest kernel then?
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18:23<judd>Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.33-2-686 (2.6.33-1~experimental.5); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-12); squeeze: 2.6.32-3-686 (2.6.32-9); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.4-686 (2.6.32-11~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-21lenny4); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2)
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18:25<Nappz>Getting this error when trying to install libperl-dev I have apt-get updated and all that jazz. Here is my sources.list
18:27<abrotman>Nappz: aptitude update && aptitude full-upgrade && aptitude install libperl-dev ?
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18:37<Nappz>Thanks abrotman, fixed it
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18:51<Scynix>Would someone be so kind as to remind me what file controls bringing up eth on start up? I'm totally spacing.
18:52<streuner__>Scynix: usually an entry in /etc/network/interfaces is enough
18:52<streuner__>if the device is supported by the kernel
18:53<streuner__>Scynix: dmesg should tell you about
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19:03<eightyeight>why does debian have login shells for system accounts (aside from root)? shouldn't they be /usr/sbin/nologin?
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19:39<raylu>some of them have /bin/false
19:39<raylu>the others actually need to use the shells, i guess
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19:48<eightyeight>raylu: not login shells, however, which is what is the last column in /etc/passwd-
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19:49<raylu>well, if you're sure, go ahead and change them :P
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19:50<eightyeight>i'm about to. i'm about to submit a bug...
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19:52<dondelelcaro>eightyeight: there already is a bug open about it
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19:53<eightyeight>dondelelcaro: bug id?
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19:54<dondelelcaro>eightyeight: I don't have it off the top of my head, but you can search for it yourself
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19:55<eightyeight>dondelelcaro: thx. i've searched. i haven't found anything. that's why i asked
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19:59<sebas891>hi folks, all good? I'm looking to configure debian live-cd to make it available of network i.e. netboot a live cd.
20:00<dondelelcaro>eightyeight: so the default for system accounts is /bin/false, which is fine; any others are probably an issue either with that specific daemon or with basefiles
20:00<sebas891> I was heading in this direction.
20:00<dondelelcaro>eightyeight: which system user(s) are we talking about specifically here?
20:00<eightyeight>uid 1-99
20:01<sebas891>any idea what are these, net/ and web/ directories?
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20:02<dondelelcaro>eightyeight: yeah, those are all created by base-passwd
20:02<dondelelcaro>eightyeight: and it looks like there isn't a bug about it, though I was fairly certain it had been discussed in the past
20:03<eightyeight>dondelelcaro: right. and they shouldn't have login shells
20:03<eightyeight>dondelelcaro: yeah. i couldn't find anything either
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20:04<dondelelcaro>eightyeight: well, so long as there isn't a password set for those users, it's not a huge deal, but it's probably worth a wishlist bug
20:05<eightyeight>dondelelcaro: exactly. that's what i'm after
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20:05<dondelelcaro>eightyeight: so yeah, go ahead and file it against base-passwd asking for them to be made /bin/false as is done by default with adduser --system
20:06<dondelelcaro>(there are historical exceptions, like the sync user, but whatever)
20:07<nostmith>is there any way to resize a partition while is in use?
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20:09<dondelelcaro>nostmith: yes
20:09<dondelelcaro>nostmith: it is file system dependent, though, and normally speaking, you can only grow them
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20:09<dondelelcaro>ext3 supports online resizing, and I think ext4 does as well (but I'm not certain)
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20:17<nostmith>so, i have this situation, sda1 is a extended partiton, sda5 is ext3 mounted as /boot and sda6 is holding lvm and the rest. is there a way to extend sda6 over sda5 after deleting sda5? /boot will be moved to a lvm partition before deleting sda5.
20:18<dondelelcaro>nostmith: you don't want /boot on an lvm partition
20:18<nostmith>any special reason?
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20:19<dondelelcaro>nostmith: because grub tends not to work well with lvm partitions
20:19<nostmith>even grub2?
20:20<dondelelcaro>grub2 may, but I've not personally tested it
20:20<dondelelcaro>it's generally just asking for trouble, though
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20:25<nostmith>but if it wouldn't be /boot it would have been doable?
20:26<icebrain>extending a partition to a space before its start is more troublesome than simply moving the end, iirc
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20:55<PresClinton>I have an acer PC with an AMD turion 64 bit... would I DL the amd64 ISO to obtain Debian (
20:56<franki^>You could, yes.
20:56<dr|z3d>PresClinton: Do you want 32 or 64bit?
20:57<dr|z3d>That's the choice.. ignore AMD/Intel tags.. they mean nothing in terms of what oem processor they run on.
20:57<PresClinton>it really doesnt matter to me but seeing as I have a 64bit proc
20:57<dr|z3d>How much ram?
20:57<PresClinton>so the little sticker that says I have AMD might be a lie? 6 gigs of ram
20:57<dr|z3d>And it will matter to you.. 64bit has a lot of issues with some software.
20:57<PresClinton>ok 32 then
20:58<abrotman>it mostly has issues with closed source software
20:58<dr|z3d>And yet, >4GB ram is better suited to 64bit.
20:58<dr|z3d>Flash is the main issue, really.
20:58<franki^>I've been using 64bit for years without issue...
20:58<PresClinton>I only have 10 cd's... this website is listing 30-40 CDs
20:58<dr|z3d>Other stuff, less so.
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20:59<PresClinton>why would it take 40 CD's??
20:59<franki^>PresClinton: If you have a half-decent Internet connection, you only need one CD to install Debian.
20:59<abrotman>PresClinton: it doesn't
20:59<PresClinton>I have a sat connection
20:59<PresClinton>(fast once it gets going)
20:59<dr|z3d>30-40cds would likely get you the entire Debian repository. You only need the first cd to install.
20:59<franki^>If you want a copy of the entire repository, 40 CDs sounds reasonable :P
21:00<PresClinton>to whoever was suggesting I might not have AMD, where do I look to see what I have and need to install?
21:01<dr|z3d>You will have AMD.. that's not the point I was making.
21:01<PresClinton>so what was the point you were making. im a bridge builder not a puter person
21:01<dr|z3d>Because AMD were the first to introduce 64bit, outside of Itanium, they get to claim the 64bit name ,which runs equally well on Intel or AMD cpus.
21:02<dr|z3d>Similarly I(ntel)386 works just as well on AMD processors.
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21:02<PresClinton>...does this have anything to do with what choice I make in the torrent I download for the installation of Debian?
21:02<dr|z3d>If you have 6GB, my recommendation would be to opt for 64bit, anyways.
21:02<franki^>He was saying that the amd64 iso isn't only for AMD processors.
21:02<abc>hi all
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21:02<PresClinton>os which do I choose??
21:03<franki^>But, you should go for the amd64 iso, IMO
21:03<dr|z3d>>> If you have 6GB, my recommendation would be to opt for 64bit, anyways.
21:03<dr|z3d>Which is AMD64
21:03<abc>can anyone help me about desktop-base problem
21:03<franki^>And, hi abc :)
21:03<abrotman>abc: ask the actual question, and if someone knows, they will discuss it with you
21:03<abc>hi franki^
21:04<abc>Setting up desktop-base (5.0.3) ...
21:04<abc>Updating /boot/grub/grub.cfg ...
21:04<abc>ls: cannot access /boot/bzImage: No such file or directory
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21:04<abc>Found linux image:
21:04-!-abc was kicked from #debian by debhelper [use the paster bot or #flood]
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21:04<abc>basename: missing operand
21:04<abc>Try `basename --help' for more information.
21:04<abc>dpkg: error processing desktop-base (--configure):
21:04<dpkg>abc: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin).
21:04<abc>subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1
21:04<abc>Errors were encountered while processing:
21:04<abc>E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
21:04<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>.
21:04<abrotman>abc: please
21:05<PresClinton>Im currently using vista64. Do I need to format the CD Im moving the ISO to any special format other than what vista uses?
21:05<dr|z3d>Burnt it as an iso.
21:05<dr|z3d>No other special majickery needed.
21:06<PresClinton>praise jesus
21:06<dr|z3d>Do NOT burn it to disc as data.
21:07<PresClinton>350 kB/s download.. is this fast enough not to have to download more than the first CD?
21:07<dr|z3d>waste of time downloading more than the first cd if you have a fastish net connection.
21:08<dr|z3d>you might even prefer the net installer.
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21:09<PresClinton>net installer? its ony a 20 min d/l
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21:10<dr|z3d>The net installer gives you more options before you download.
21:10<EmleyMoor>Can samba cope with sharing a directory that from time to time disappears?
21:11<PresClinton>dr I tried the Debian installer and it gave me an error msg. Vista wouldnt allow me to open an EXE even with admin
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21:12<dr|z3d>You don't try the installer that way, PresClinton. You boot off the disc.
21:12<dr|z3d>ie. shutdown pc, ensure you're booting off cd (edit bios or F12 on postboot).
21:13<PresClinton>yes I want to boot off the disk, isnt this what im doing? I want to dual boot vista and Debain until I can get things working smoothly (new to linux but I grew up in the DOS era)
21:13<dr|z3d>booting off the cd does not mean running an exe from within Windows.
21:13<dr|z3d>It means turning off your pc and BOOTING off the cd.
21:14<PresClinton>i know what booting from CD means
21:14<PresClinton>ok so im downloading the wrong torrent?
21:14<PresClinton>which should I DL?
21:14*abrotman wonders if a torrent over the satellite is fun ?
21:14<dr|z3d>I thought you were grabbing the desktop amd64 instaler?
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21:15<PresClinton>im downloading CD1 as instructed
21:15<dr|z3d>Sure, that looks fine.
21:15<PresClinton>will that boot up the linux OS?
21:15<dr|z3d>It will boot into an installer, sure.
21:16<PresClinton>this is what I need yes?
21:16<PresClinton>praise jesus
21:16*dr|z3d locates tazer. "jeebus!@
21:16<dr|z3d>Ok, spare us the religious refernces. We're all infidels here. :)
21:17<PresClinton>penguin gods?
21:18<PresClinton>great I have adware again
21:18<PresClinton>does debian get adware?
21:18<abrotman>adware ?
21:18<abrotman>oh, in windows
21:18<dr|z3d>No it doesn't.
21:18<abrotman>every OS has viruses
21:18<abrotman>or every OS that i'm aware of ..
21:18<dr|z3d>Open source has a different mechanism for raising funds which invariably doesn't involve splashing ads all over your software.
21:19<abrotman>but some of them make it much harder to get them
21:19<dr|z3d>adware != malware, abrotman.
21:19<dr|z3d>(though some may argue otherwise)
21:19<abrotman>he asked about malware ...
21:19<abrotman>and adware is malware ..
21:19<abrotman>if it's on your system, and you don't want it .. it's malware
21:19<dr|z3d><PresClinton> does debian get adware?
21:19<abrotman><PresClinton> walware?
21:19<dr|z3d>That was the question I was responding to. :)
21:19<PresClinton>ok dont fight I was just asking
21:19<PresClinton>i like it already
21:20<PresClinton>its GUI or text?
21:20<abrotman>whichever you choose
21:20<PresClinton>like windows or dos?
21:20<PresClinton>i miss dos :(
21:20<PresClinton>back in my puter nerd days
21:20<dr|z3d>You'll love your terminal then.
21:20<PresClinton>phone soft?
21:20<PresClinton>or like dos prompt?
21:21<mhi>PresClinton: You can also use 'mc' if you used Norton Commander back in the days.
21:21<dr|z3d>A terminal is a shell.. like a dos prompt, only much more powerful.
21:21<dr|z3d>windows puts the ui first; often linux puts the command line first.
21:21<PresClinton>so why doesnt everybody use linux?
21:21<PresClinton>why isnt it preinstalled?
21:22<franki^>It is sometimes
21:22<dr|z3d>It's called market forces.
21:22<dr|z3d>MS take great pains to ensure Linux doesn't get installed.. they're failing more and more, but still they try.
21:23<PresClinton>im thinking about selling PCs to old people once I get back to the states. does it have card games for old people?
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21:23<dr|z3d>It has card games coming out of its ears.
21:23<PresClinton>old people will like it
21:23*abrotman thinks it needs a better cribbage game
21:23*franki^ goes to play spider solitaire
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21:23<PresClinton>old people...
21:24<dr|z3d>If you like holdem poker, they have a great implementation of that, which allows you to play others over the net.
21:24<PresClinton>will I need another program for dual booting win/linux or does it come with Debian?
21:24<dr|z3d>Debian will manage dualboot for you.
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21:24<dr|z3d>It installs grub, which is a bootloader.
21:24<franki^>You don't need another program, you may need to configure it though.
21:25<PresClinton>is it hard to configure? multi choice ?'s?
21:25<dr|z3d>No. That's automatic.
21:25<amphi>if not, the documentation has examples of the various incantations
21:26<PresClinton>when people come on here with tech ?'s they are speaking another language. will I have to know that to do the basics or can I just point and click on a GUI until things come to my slow brain?
21:27<PresClinton>does CD1 come with everything to connect me to the net, drivers for touchpads, wifi cards, ethernet drivers, display drivers etc?
21:28<PresClinton>I have dual monitors too... is that an issue?
21:28<abrotman>depends on your hardware
21:28<dr|z3d>Drivers are built into the kernel, or deployed as addin modules.
21:28<PresClinton>yeah but if I cannot connect to the net then how will I get them?
21:28<dr|z3d>If you have a net connection, you have everything you need in CD1 to get you going, mostly.
21:28<franki^>It will have free drivers for all of those things, although they can't guarantee to function properly, they probably will.
21:28<dr|z3d>Do you have a wired ethernet port?
21:29<PresClinton>im going to end up screwing it all up then going back to OEM CDs to get vista running and come back on here. this is going to take months
21:29<ml|>PresClinton: take a look at this to help with install ... and also read /msg dpkg ig
21:29<dr|z3d>If so, that's your failsafe method to connecting to the net.
21:29<PresClinton>I have wifi but currently connected via ethernet to a satcom box from USDD
21:30<dr|z3d>You'll be fine; if you're lucky, wireless will just work, if not, you may have to jump though some hoops.
21:30<PresClinton>ml| i like to screw it up the first 2-3 times then read the FAQ's then maybe doc's
21:30<PresClinton>well if ethernet connections work instantly then I will be ok
21:30<PresClinton>I drove a LONG way just to get a black CD and get debian
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21:31<ml|>PresClinton: have fun either way ;)
21:32<franki^>It will probably be a little confusing, but it's not that hard; I'm an idiot and I can install Debian. :)
21:32<PresClinton>it took me 2 hours to find a terminal at the airport last week...
21:33<PresClinton>T-9min till I start screwing up my puter
21:34<franki^>Screwing stuff up is my favourite part.
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21:35<PresClinton>good stick around and you can help me fix it
21:36<franki^>I'll try :)
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21:43<PresClinton>ok what format live or mastered?
21:44<PresClinton>(burning ISO to CD)
21:44<dr|z3d>open the iso.
21:44<dr|z3d>with your burning app.
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21:45<dr|z3d>it will then simply offer to burn, which is what you want.
21:45<hdon>hi all. does module-assistant work on a list of modules like how apt works from a list of packages? or can i use it to assist installing any arbitrary module that works with my kernel?
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21:47<PresClinton>oh no.. its going to reboot me
21:47<PresClinton>bye :|
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22:08<boboysdadda>hey all
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22:10<boboysdadda>just installed debian for the first time is there a package manager program pre installed or is everything done with apt-get?
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22:11<PresClinton>am I supposed to burn the ISO image or extract the files from the ISO and then burn them to the CD??? it says it cannot mount CD once installation starts
22:11<PresClinton>somebody told me the ISO and -not- the data
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22:13<ml|>you burn the iso
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22:13<franki^>You're supposed to burn the iso, with no fiddling, as a disc image
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22:13<abrotman>PresClinton: you burn it as an ISO/image
22:14<franki^>boboysdadda: Define "pre-installed"; aptitude or apt-* can do everything you need, but there are graphical options too (see: Synaptic)
22:14<PresClinton>ok its burnt as an ISO on a CD-R and it says it cannot mount the CD once installation starts
22:15<boboysdadda>was looking for synaptic couldn't find it
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22:16<boboysdadda>ok i apt-get install synaptic
22:16<PresClinton>i drove 3 hours for a CD! this sucks. im in the middle of BFE and it wont even install
22:16<franki^>boboysdadda: If you haven't got it installed you can type "aptitude install synaptic"
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22:18<PresClinton>no suggestions?
22:19<franki^>What exactly happens? It boots in to the Debian Installer?
22:19<boboysdadda>ok so i'm going to assume debian installs with xorg drivers. can i get a link for directions to install nvidia or is there a gui client for switching between them that i'm not seeing?
22:20<ml|>boboysdadda: /msg dpkg nvidia
22:20<PresClinton>franki yes it boots to the installer then starts the install. one part of the install (one of the first things it does) is to mount the CD and it fails at this point.
22:21<boboysdadda>i'd type your name but i don't know how to enter that symbol
22:21<ml|>boboysdadda: but if you don't care about 3d, the nv driver will do; but read the wiki page regardless
22:22<ml|>type that in your irc client; then look for a window or tab named dpkg
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22:26<franki^>PresClinton: So, I haven't got a clue, I've never heard of that happening before, and I can't find anything on Google about it for Lenny :(
22:27<franki^>Maybe someone here who knows more than I do will have a suggestion....
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22:29<boboysdadda>ii think i need 3d in order to play saurubraten (spelling may be wrong) and i like that game
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22:31<erin>[17~[18~hello anybody here
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22:31<ODDity>Im having some sound issues - If i'm watching a video or I open certain applications, the sound stops working in the video and isn't working in the application, I have to have them one at a time or not have sound and restart the video to get it back - I some help or ideas towards tracking the problem down
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22:32<erin>can you help mee i did a dpkg--clear-selections...
22:32<PresClinton>wonderful :(
22:32<erin>can i undo this ?
22:33<PresClinton>im going to try copying the files and not the iso and see what happens
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22:34<boboysdadda>is the app for to extract tar.gz not installed?
22:34<boboysdadda>if so whats it called so i can apt-get it in?
22:35<erin>any freaking idea?
22:35<erin>come on surly there is way to wipe these setting...
22:35<erin>i dont want all of my packages uninstalled..
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22:35<ODDity>boboysdadda, file-roller should be installed in gnome to do it
22:36<boboysdadda>using xfce
22:36<franki^>boboysdadda: You could always, you know, use tar :P
22:36<ODDity>xarchiver then
22:36<boboysdadda>franki^, not overly familiar with tar commands
22:37<ODDity>man tar
22:37<franki^>man pages are always fun. :)
22:38<boboysdadda>huh source file didn't even come as tar it came as a deb
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22:38<boboysdadda>wth do i do with a deb
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22:39<ODDity>are you running debian?
22:39<PresClinton>anybody know of another way to get Debian on here?
22:39<boboysdadda>yes i am
22:39<boboysdadda>dpkg i figured it out
22:39<dpkg>boboysdadda: are you smoking crack?
22:40<boboysdadda>lol my bad
22:40<abrotman>PresClinton: why can't you burn the ISO ?
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22:41<ODDity>typically un-taring a tar.gz you'd do tar -xzvf filename.tar.gz i think
22:41<riisen>PresClinton, usb?
22:41<PresClinton>i already tried and when it reboots into the debian installation it says it cannot mount the CD
22:41<PresClinton>USB is not an option. CD-Rs costs me US75
22:42<ODDity>you're burning the iSO image properly yeah, not just copying the iso to the disk
22:42<ODDity>does it actually boot to the CD?
22:42<PresClinton>I move the ISO image to the drive and burn it
22:43<PresClinton>it gives me options at boot... install debian or start vista
22:43<abrotman>PresClinton: that is not how we told you to do it
22:43<boboysdadda>PresClinton, are u doing this from windows?
22:43<dpkg>Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See
22:43<PresClinton>nobody told me how to burn it..only to burn it
22:43<PresClinton>yes from vista64
22:44<PresClinton>ok what do I need to download to burn it? I have 8 CD-Rs remaining
22:44<ODDity>what's on the disk?
22:44<boboysdadda>PresClinton, get imgburn its free install that then use that to burn
22:44<PresClinton>brb campfire is almost dead
22:44<boboysdadda>trying to install debian while camping?
22:44<ODDity>if all you have on the disk is deb-install-xyz.iso then you haven't burnt it as an image
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22:47<PresClinton>like I said before.. I build bridges not computers
22:47<PresClinton>I have to keep a fire to stop the animals from killing me
22:47<PresClinton>plus it helps with the bugs
22:47<PresClinton>hold on dowloading, installing and burning
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22:48<PresClinton>when it says what would I like to do:
22:48<ODDity>make sure you burn it slow as well
22:48<aiux>PresClinton, /msg dpkg debian.exe
22:49<PresClinton>aiux I read that already
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22:50<aiux>not helped ?
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22:50<PresClinton>no im stupid
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22:52<boboysdadda>If you wish to build an NVIDIA kernel module for a different Linux
22:52<boboysdadda>kernel, you can use SYSSRC to specify the location of the source tree
22:52<boboysdadda>to build against, for example:
22:52<boboysdadda> $ make SYSSRC=/path/to/linux-2.x.y module
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22:52<PresClinton>ok so burn it 1x??
22:52<boboysdadda>sorry guess that was to long
22:52<ODDity>4x should be ok
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22:52<boboysdadda>can someone tell me what that path is i can't find it
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22:53<ODDity>PresClinton, you're burning the netinstall iso?
22:53<PresClinton>im burning CD1 of the torrents for AMD64
22:53<ml|>boboysdadda: what are you trying to do?
22:53<ODDity>PresClinton, OK.
22:53<aiux>PresClinton, the lenny ?
22:54<boboysdadda>install nvidia
22:54<PresClinton>I dont know lenny
22:54<ml|>boboysdadda: did you msg dpkg like I suggested?
22:54<boboysdadda>yes i did
22:54<riisen>boboysdadda, you can always use the 'locate' command (for e.g: locate linux-2.* )
22:54<PresClinton>whats Write speed miscompare! - MODE SENSE 1,764/KBs (10x), GET PERFORMANCE: 11,080 KB/s (63X)?
22:55<PresClinton>it says I wanted 4x and got 10x
22:55<PresClinton>-f- it
22:55<PresClinton>i will just see if it works
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22:56<PresClinton>at this point I am ready to have a copy mailed to me and pay somebody in the states to install it
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22:57<ODDity>check what is on the disk after you burn it
22:57<PresClinton>what should I look for? a file??
22:57<ODDity>make sure there are a _whole_bunch_ of files
22:58<PresClinton>cant I just ship my HDD to you and you install it?
22:58<ODDity>I have neither the time nor the inclination
22:58<PresClinton>but you get $'s
22:59<ODDity>I work in £'s :P
22:59<pythonic>402 Payment Required
22:59<PresClinton>good I wont have to pay as much to ship it
22:59<ODDity>£'s > $/s
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23:00<PresClinton>yes ODD but the rate doesnt matter. im located in BFE. no money is accepted here but I get paid so it just stacks up in my account
23:00<ODDity>$402 is only £272
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23:01<ODDity>anyway.. you can do it
23:01<ODDity>it'll be an experience
23:01<PresClinton>thats what my first wife said
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23:02<PresClinton>its doing some sort of verify
23:02<PresClinton>but I will still check to make sure it have many files on it when its done buzzing
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23:02<PresClinton>i could install my tandy 1000 faster than this
23:03<PresClinton>if you dont install an OS on a machine then what is it called when you place an OS on one?
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23:04<PresClinton>nobody likes all my questions
23:04<PresClinton>so I can install an OS?
23:05<ODDity>you install an OS yes
23:05<PresClinton>well. some guy told me different earlier (before I drove 200 miles for CD-Rs)
23:05<PresClinton>imgburn has music :)
23:06<ODDity>well I can only imagine
23:06<ODDity>you do have a 64 bit machine dont you
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23:06<PresClinton>yes I do
23:07<PresClinton>AMD64 bit with vista64 installed
23:07<ODDity>k, just checking
23:07<PresClinton>thats ok, yes?
23:07<ODDity>well yeah if you've grabbed the AMD64 image
23:08<ODDity>I installed squeeze on my AMD64 I got the other day, worked fine
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23:10<aiux>it's a laptop ?
23:11<ODDity>mine? neh
23:11<aiux>no, PresClinton's
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23:16<boboysdadda>lol got nvidia working but went completely backswards to do it
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23:16<ODDity>boboysdadda, I had to get nvidia working the other day, it wasn't too bad
23:17<boboysdadda>i added repos then did everything through synaptic and then one command in term to get it started reboot and everything works
23:18<ODDity>yeah.. I got stuck at aptitude -R -t sid install nvidia-kernel-source; m-a a-i nvidia && aptitude -t sid install nvidia-glx before but I realised I'd messed up earlier down the road
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23:19<boboysdadda>whats the search command for apt-get?
23:19<riisen>apt-cache search
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23:20<ODDity>aptitude search
23:20<ODDity>as well
23:21<ODDity>anyone have an idea why I lose audio when having certain applications open at the same time?
23:22<dpkg>well, as is autosearch: install apt-file and use apt-cache search <packagename> and/or apt-file search <name> , do it yourself. Don't forget to run apt-file update ;)
23:23<riisen>ODDity, i had the same problem b4.. i tried another kernel and it worked later (dont remember what kernel was like 3 years ago)
23:23<ODDity>for example - VLC and iceweasel playing a youtube vid work together, but if I have vlc playing and open blender I lose it
23:23<boboysdadda>ok so i have libapm1 installed but i don't have a battery monitor or anything else to work with or control power settings. am i missing something
23:23<ODDity>riisen, yeah i'm on the latest kernel
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23:25<ODDity>riisen, also so it seems like once audio has gone, I have to (for example) close, blender, iceweasel and VLC to get it working again
23:25<riisen>ODDity, hmm.. thats sounds really strange o.O
23:25<ODDity>riisen, yeah.. so I have no idea where to start
23:25<riisen>have you checked logs ?
23:26<ODDity>same thing was happening when I tested a vanilla install of ubuntu 10.04
23:26<ODDity>mm i'll have a look at logs
23:26<boboysdadda>alright i'm off to bed i'll harrass yall more tomorrow thankyou for the help to everyone
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23:27<Symmetry> ok i just installed debian on vmware and download xchat. a *.deb file. I double clicked it and i got a message that it doesnt recognize the archive format
23:27<riisen>ODDity, well if you have the problem with 2 dif kernels its probably something else..
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23:27<Symmetry>whats up with that
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23:27<aiux>Symmetry, aptitude install xchat
23:27<boboysdadda>Symmetry .deb files are extracted with a dpkg *.deb
23:28<boboysdadda>i learned that one an hour ago
23:28<boboysdadda>and now off to bed gnight
23:28<ODDity>riisen, yeah I wasn't using ubuntu for very long, but I think I'm remembering it right. Anyway, I just casued the problem and can't see anything new in log file viewer, is there a specific log I should look at?
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23:33<riisen>ODDity, not really sure what log.. but you can try to tail -f /var/log/the_one_you_think_log and start the error :P
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23:34<ODDity>well i just kinda did that, with log file viewer open, any new entries get highlighted so I had it open when I caused the error
23:35<riisen>ODDity, did you see something ?
23:35<riisen>strange =/
23:35<ODDity>ill just make sure
23:35<riisen>oss, alsa ?
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23:36<ODDity>well.. this is where I get confused
23:37<ODDity>which is why I was kinda hoping maybe i've got conflicting packages installed or something
23:37<ODDity>as I think I have both installed
23:39<ODDity>so like.. i've got libsdl1.2-debian-all installed, and choosing libsdl1.2debian-alsa asks to remove it
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23:39<riisen>well that shouldnt matter.. cuz you have one "default driver"
23:39<ODDity>I do?
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23:40<riisen>/etc/libao.conf i think you choose
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23:40<ODDity>right so in there it says default_driver=alsa
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23:41<ODDity>I could change to OSS and see if that makes a difference?
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23:41<firefox>well that was a rather painful lenny-->squeeze upgrade..
23:42<ODDity>OSS is a bit more recent than ALSA isn't it or have I got that backwards
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23:42<riisen>ODDity, i am not sure :P
23:43<ODDity>so long as it doesn't mess with my applications ability to use SDL/OSS whatever I dont care which I use as default
23:43<riisen>well or you can try to apt-get install alsa-utils alsa-base
23:43<ODDity>so long as it's not pulseaudio
23:43<ODDity>those are installed
23:44<riisen>ODDity, ok
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23:45<riisen>ODDity, try close all apps using sound server and go sudo alsaconf ... or try oss :P
23:45<ODDity>not got alsaconf
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23:46<ODDity>alsactl maybe
23:46<riisen>maybee :P
23:46<ODDity>mm it wants arguments
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23:47<riisen>ODDity, for me it is alsaconf :P
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23:48<riisen>and no arguments :P
23:48<ODDity>uhm... perhaps you have some more utilities which I dont?
23:48<ODDity>i'm on squeeze
23:49<ODDity>no alsaconf in synaptic
23:49<riisen>ODDity, well alsaconf should be in alsa-utils or alsa-base .. weird.. :P
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23:49<ODDity>I enable proposed updates and see
23:50<ODDity>alsa-tools maybe?
23:51<riisen>its in alsa-utils
23:51<ODDity>i do an upgrade with propused updates and see if anything else turns up
23:52<ODDity>oky i'll reinstall alsa-utils as well in a moment then and make sure
23:53<ODDity>I did have to mess with apt-get a bit yeah to get the right kernel modules for the nvidia graphics driver, that woulnd't have messed with the sources too much would it
23:53<riisen>or i have some old alsa ... "alsaconf was removed from alsa-utils at 1.0.17-1"
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23:54<riisen>ODDity, nah i dont think so..
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23:55<ODDity>under the alsa-utils description in synaptic alsaconf isn't mentioned
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23:56<ODDity>if i change that default _driver=alsa in libao.conf to default_driver=oss .. i'll need to reboot?
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23:58<ODDity>i'll see what happens
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23:58<riisen>nah just /etc/init.d/alsa stop && /etc/init.d/what_oss_uses start
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