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---Logopened Mon May 17 00:00:40 2010
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00:01<ODDity>mm well it hasn't made any difference
00:01<ODDity>ah well
00:02<ODDity>it's just one of those awkward issues I guess
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00:02<riisen>ODDity, http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php/Aadebug <-- theres how you debugg it at least
00:03<riisen>yea-g
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00:05<NiteSnow>does anyone here know how to install the drivers for the Realtek RTL8185 ?
00:05<ODDity>riisen, http://pastebin.com/nzDy8Mn7
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00:06<aiux>!RTL8185
00:06<dpkg>[rtl-wifi] the Realtek Linux 802.11b/g WLAN drivers, included in mainline Linux kernels. Supports the RTL8180, RTL8185 and RTL8187 chipsets; RTL8187B as of Linux 2.6.27. Drivers do not require firmware from userspace. See http://wiki.debian.org/rtl818x for more information. For support of the RTL8187SE chipset, ask me about <rtl8187se>. For support of Realtek 802.11n devices, ask me about <rtl819x>.
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00:09<riisen>ODDity, seems like you dont have a alsa modprobe conf :o
00:09<ODDity>yeah i saw that
00:10<ODDity>i need that you think?
00:10<ODDity>does alsa really need kernel modules?
00:10<steppenwolf>Hi everyone! How do I install Java in my machine?
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00:12<ODDity>riisen, i'll see if google throws up anything
00:12<gsimmons>dpkg: tell steppenwolf -about install java
00:13<riisen>ODDity, i just googled a little .. try sudo /etc/init.d/alsa stop && dpkg-reconfigure alsa-base
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00:14<ODDity>oky riisen
00:15<ODDity>alsa isn't in init.d
00:15<riisen>als[tab] .. should be called something like that :P
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00:15<ODDity>alsa yes
00:16<ODDity>but it's not in /etc/init.d
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00:16<steppenwolf>so using Synaptic which pakcage do I need to add in order to install from java.com?
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00:16<riisen>oh have debian change dir for it :P (im outdated on my debian machine)
00:17<ODDity>Usage: /usr/sbin/alsa {unload|reload|force-unload|force-reload|suspend|resume}
00:17<riisen>ahh
00:17<net5>hi all. I have installed lenny 5.0.4 along with lxde. i have added a user with the following command : adduser username. but when i log in to the user, there is no desktop folder. how do i overcome this issue ?
00:17<ODDity>soo i wanna unload it and run dpkg yea
00:18<riisen>yea ^^
00:20<ODDity>mkay looks like I'll have to restart to get it to load all the stuff again, reload and force-reload didn't seem to work
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00:21<riisen>net5, do you just dont have the directory or dont you come in to x at all ?
00:22<net5>when i log into the user, there is no desktop directory.
00:23-!-ODDity [~yah@host-84-9-112-60.dslgb.com] has joined #debian
00:23<net5>i have installed lenny+lxde in virtualbox, in the virtual machine. there is no desktop folder.
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00:24<net5>excuse, i need to go. see u tomorrow....
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00:24<riisen>mkdir ~/Desktop && chown -Rc (user)
00:24<riisen>aw
00:24<crunchbang>ok, so im an idiot, and need to know how to mount a drive. im using a live cd, the drive is ntfs, and it is sda1....
00:24<ODDity>close
00:25<ODDity>mount /dev/sda1 /place/to/mount/it
00:25<crunchbang>how to i know where to mount it?
00:25<ODDity>you make where to mount it
00:25<ODDity>make a folder to mount it in
00:25<riisen>crunchbang, #mkdir /mnt/[what_name_you_want] && /dev/sda1 /mnt/[what_name_you_want]
00:26<ODDity>'ark at him and his one liners
00:26<riisen>xD
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00:26<ODDity>though you missed the mount command off it hink
00:26<riisen>lol yea... and sudo after && :P
00:27<ODDity>doh
00:27<ODDity>:)
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00:27<riisen>no i made the # at the begining !
00:27<riisen>damn im tierd :<
00:28<riisen>brb coffe ;D
00:28<crunchbang>um......... ok
00:28<ODDity>crunchbang.. make a directory yeah
00:29<ODDity>say you want to mount it on your desktop
00:29<ODDity>so make a directory there to use at the mount point
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00:31<crunchbang>which im having a hard time doing, using a live cd
00:31<ODDity>you can't make a folder on the desktop using a live CD?
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00:32<crunchbang>it allowed me to make the directory, i cant find it now... cause its a damn crunchbang live cd
00:32<ODDity>it'll be in /home/user/Desktop
00:32<ODDity>where user is something
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00:32<ODDity>or.. just do this:
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00:33<ODDity>mkdir /mnt/sda1
00:33<ODDity>mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/sda1
00:33<ODDity>cd /mnt/sda1
00:33<ODDity>ls
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00:34<crunchbang>ok, brb
00:35<riisen>crunchbang, root-terminal -> mkdir /home/user/Desktop/my_win_disk && mount /dev/sda1 /home/user/my_win_disk && echo "it works live!"
00:36<crunchbang>there is no /user/desktop on this live cd.
00:36<crunchbang>i checked
00:36<ODDity>it's in /home
00:36<crunchbang>i know
00:36<riisen>well the path doesnt really matters anyhow :P
00:36<crunchbang>i went to the file manager and /home/user/desktop
00:36<crunchbang>and nothing, the directory doesnt exist
00:36<ODDity>"user" will be something else
00:37<ODDity>could be anything
00:37<riisen>i guess its crunchbang that is the username.. :P
00:37<ODDity>start from /home and browse through, though as riisen it doesn't matter, you can mount the drive in any directory
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00:38<crunchbang>ok....
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00:38<crunchbang>so i did the mkdir /mnt/sda1
00:38<crunchbang>then mount /dev/sda1
00:39<crunchbang>and i get can't find /dev/sda1 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
00:39<ODDity>mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/sda1
00:39<ODDity>not just mount /dev/sda1
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00:41<crunchbang>ok, that seems to have worked, thank you guys very much
00:41<ODDity>cool, good job crunchbang
00:42<crunchbang>ok, so since i did mkdir /mnt/sda1 is that the path i need to go to to find the drive or.....?
00:42<ODDity>yeah
00:42<riisen>yea
00:43<crunchbang>ok, then i still have issues. gparted shows the drive is mounted, but i cant get to it in the file manager. it says it doesnt exist
00:43<riisen>what does ls /mnt/sda1/
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00:44<crunchbang>nothing happens
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00:45<ewfawefawe>CIAO
00:45<ODDity>not even an error "cannot access /mnt/sda1" or somesuch
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00:45<crunchbang>no, nothing. a new line in terminal
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00:47<crunchbang>is there a command i could use in rminal to copy a file to that drive? thats all im trying to do
00:48<ODDity>is the drive empty or something?
00:48<ODDity>because that would just give a new line in terminal after ls
00:49<crunchbang>yes.
00:49<ODDity>ah
00:49<ODDity>can you open it in storage device manager in crunchbang?
00:50<crunchbang>i dont see that on this livecd
00:50<crunchbang>or anything like it.
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00:51<ODDity>ok anyway you can copy the file over using cp /path/to/file /path/to/destination
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00:51<crunchbang>i dunno, im full of fail apparently, but i will try
00:51<ODDity>it might show up if you close the file browser and open it again
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00:51<riisen>crunchbang, chmod 777 /mnt/sda1 && cp /path/to/file /mnt/sda1/
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00:52<ODDity>I think he wants to do one thing at a time riisen
00:52<ODDity>but yeah.. chmod 777 /mnt/sda1
00:52<ODDity>is good
00:52<crunchbang>done, what is that?
00:53<ODDity>give everyone write permissions
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00:53<riisen>chmod is changing permission for all users... like ODDity wrote b4 me ;D weeee
00:54<crunchbang>ok, trying to move the file, brb
00:55<crunchbang>so if the hd is blank, and only formatted, so i cp /media/mybook/(file) /sda1
00:55<crunchbang>?
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00:55<crunchbang>since it has nothing in it
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00:56<riisen>crunchbang, yea
00:56<crunchbang>kk, brb
00:56<nostmith>it should be /mnt/sda1
00:56<riisen>but /media/sda1 or /mnt/sda1 :P
00:57<crunchbang>oh yeah, lol
00:57<crunchbang>now i get cp: cannot stat `/media/mybook/recovery': No such file or directory
00:58<crunchbang>but it is there... im looking at it in the file manager right now
00:58<nostmith>ls /media/mybook
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00:58<valdyn>crunchbang: use tab-completion
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01:06<ODDity>ah riisen .. this audio issue is gonna cause me problems down the line as it appears to stop teamspeak working properly and stuff as well
01:07<ODDity>capture works but output goes fubar'd
01:07<riisen>ODDity, aww =/
01:07<ODDity>mmm
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01:09<ODDity>use teamspeak for conference calling as it's better than skype when you have more people
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01:11<riisen>ODDity, try edit the /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base .. cuz i saw now in my file that there is some comment lines "workaround for bug #499695
01:11<riisen>http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=499695
01:11<riisen>sounds like it can be youre bug :P
01:12<ODDity>o.O
01:13<ODDity>mm that does sound like an accurate description of said bug indeed
01:14<ODDity>it's alsa-base.conf
01:14<ODDity>must be.. mm ok
01:14<riisen>:P
01:15<riisen>on my debian server.. (very old) its only alsa-base :P
01:15<ODDity>mm also that bug is from 2008
01:15<ODDity>this is a new machine yeah
01:16<ODDity>yeah I haven't got any lines to comment out regarding issues in there so
01:18<riisen>hmm for me its line 15, 16 and 17 to uncomment for the workaround
01:19<ODDity>not here
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01:26<ODDity>mm same thing
01:26<riisen>hmm
01:27<ODDity>ahh well.. i giv up for now :P
01:27<riisen>ok
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01:29<ODDity>it's very strange
01:29<ODDity>c'est la vie
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01:30<riisen>ODDity, yea .. strange.. and annoying :P
01:30<ODDity>things could be a lot worse
01:30<riisen>yea xD
01:31<ODDity>6 cores :)
01:31<ODDity>o.O
01:31<ODDity>it's new
01:33<riisen>6 cores .. proc ??
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01:40<ODDity>yeah
01:41<riisen>gief me
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01:47<amitz>should be 8 cores, positioned in a 3 dimensional space.
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01:51<ODDity>I needed it for doing 3d rendering and stuff
01:52<ODDity>though so far.. all last week anyway i've just been playing games
01:52<riisen>yea, and can't w8 for a native steam client ;>
01:53<ODDity>steam eh
01:53<ODDity>meh
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01:56<ODDity>I'd really like to be using firefox though.. iceweasel has come nuances I'm not too keen on
01:57<riisen>ODDity, well icacat then ?
01:57<riisen>icecat*
01:57<ODDity>want firefox
01:59<jm_>funny, iceweasel is exactly the same
01:59<ODDity>it isn't quite
01:59<riisen>jm_, nah icecat is pretty much the same..
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02:01<ansgar>So what is the difference between iceweasel and icecat?
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02:02<ODDity>also I like testing the betas and stuff of firefox.. I managed to get the 32 bit version to run but flash is an issue
02:03<streuner_>ansgar: tried /msg dpkg icecat?
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02:03<ansgar>That reads like 'we want our own fork'.
02:04<jm_>debian has 3.6.4 beta in experimental
02:04<ODDity>for 64bit?
02:05<ODDity>quite why it should be an issue with debian I dont know.. i seem to remember 64 bit ubuntu running firefox just fine
02:05<jm_>yes, for 64bit too
02:05<simonrvn>!why iceweasel
02:05<dpkg>Due to Mozilla logos licensing, Mozilla software isn't DFSG-free, so Debian distributes Mozilla software with different logos. One day Mozilla Corporation decided to revoke the agreement to let Debian use Mozilla trademarks, so Debian changed to non-trademarked product names. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Corporation_software_rebranded_in_Debian for more information. http://glandium.org/blog/?p=933. Ask me about <dfsg>.
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02:06<jm_>I didn't bother, just let them live in the dark
02:06<chris_>when i try to boot into win7 from grub i get : Error 13: Invalid or unsupported executable format
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02:07<jm_>chris_: how does your win7 entry look like in grub?
02:08<chris_>title Windows
02:08<chris_>root (hd0,1)
02:08<chris_>savedefault
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02:09<chris_>makeactive
02:09<chris_>chainloader +1
02:09<chris_>just like that
02:09<chris_>that is the correct hd and partition
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02:10<chris_>i may have found it with google, let me try, i may be right back
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02:14<dv->What's the difference between iceweasel and icecat?
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02:14<chris_>ahh, pretty typical, i search google for almost an hour then when i finally decide to come here and ask i find it
02:14<ODDity>what was wrong?
02:17<simonrvn>!icecat
02:17<dpkg>GNU IceCat is a web browser distributed by the GNU Project, formerly known as GNU IceWeasel (not to be confused with Debian's <Iceweasel>). It is a fork of Mozilla Firefox made entirely of free software, without distributing or recommending non-free software as plug-ins or addons. Not packaged for Debian, RFP in bug #522196. http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla/ #icecat on irc.freenode.net.
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02:18<chris_>menu.lst im use to lilo and thought for some reason i could set grum up properly
02:18<chris_>grub
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03:01<C2H5OH>hi, anyone has problems with user login after todays sid upgrade?
03:03<C2H5OH>I can't login with normal users (after motd, login says: "Unable to cd to /home/user")
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03:03<C2H5OH>I can login with root
03:03<C2H5OH>but then "su user" says "Cannot execute /bin/zsh: permission denied"
03:03<C2H5OH>and permissions seem to be alright
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03:04<C2H5OH>lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 21 abr 8 08:01 /bin/zsh -> /etc/alternatives/zsh
03:04<C2H5OH>-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 672240 abr 26 01:19 /bin/zsh4
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03:15<ashora>hi
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03:19<zoi>Hey guys, i fucked up my system by installing packages from sid repos in lenny, now Im trying to fix stuff up, any ideas how to fix it?
03:20<locklace>!tell zoi about downgrade
03:21<zoi>thanks
03:21<zoi>so
03:21<zoi>basically i can only reinstall my system?
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03:22<locklace>unless it was just one or two "leaf" packages and not, say, a bunch of fundamental components and libraries, you're screwed and your next step is reinstall
03:23<zoi>k thanks
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03:46<CaBa>w
03:46<CaBa>is the imap acl plugin for dovecot broken in lenny-backports?
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04:18<GhostlyDeath>For aptitude, when you install new packages it lists packages that are suggested, is there a way to get back that list except for every package already installed?
04:19<jm_>you mean get a list of suggested packages for every installed one?
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04:19<jm_>ahh no, sorry, never mind, don't think there is a way
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04:22<babilen>GhostlyDeath: Don't know the answer, but "aptitude search ~i~Bsuggests" lists all packages that have a broken suggests dependency - Now you only need to find a way to list all of their (non-installed) suggests. Check http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/projects/aptitude/doc/en/ch02s03s05.html
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04:26<zoi>2Uhh
04:26<zoi>Im using squeeze netinstall
04:26<zoi>and it says "Ethernet card not found"
04:26<zoi>however lenny netinstall had found my card
04:27<zoi>what might be the problem?
04:27<babilen>zoi: Possibly a firmware issue - Are you able to give me the output of "lspci -nn|grep -i ethernet"?
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04:28<zoi>hmm
04:29<zoi>i am in the installer boot menu atm
04:29<zoi>should i do 'rescue mode'?
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04:29<firefox>.. I am not very impressed with squeeze at all right now.. I have no sound, alsactl init guessed and still failed... I miss alsaconf.. any suggestions?
04:30<babilen>GhostlyDeath: Should be - relatively - easy with the help of "apt-cache depends <pkg1> ... <pkgN>" and some grep/sed-fu
04:30<zoi>oh
04:30<babilen>firefox: Use lenny? Or fix sound?
04:30<zoi>you are saying it's better to install lenny or what?
04:30<zoi>what about sid?
04:30<zoi>is it reasonable to use it?
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04:30<firefox>babilen, fix sound.. I will stick it out.
04:30<zoi>on home machine?
04:30<GhostlyDeath>babilen: I'll take a look, thanks
04:31<babilen>zoi: lenny is the current stable release of Debian - Why do you want to run a development branch of Debian?
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04:32<zoi>babilen: latest packages
04:32<zoi>just that
04:32<babilen>firefox: Paste the output of "lspci -nn|grep -i audio" and "cat /proc/asound/cards" to http://paste.debian.org - Also "/msg dpkg alsa checklist" and follow dpkg's advice
04:33<firefox>babilen, rdgr ty
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04:33<babilen>zoi: Well, I've recently written a mail on d-u about that - http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2010/05/msg01325.html
04:34<babilen>zoi: Don't feel like repeating all that over here now - Read it and ask if you have specific questions
04:34<zoi>Ok
04:34<zoi>thank you
04:35<jm_>that mail is far too long for 95% of people wanting to run testing/sid :)
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04:35<themill>heh
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04:35<babilen>jm_: Their problem :)
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04:36<zoi>If you "need" packages from sidIf you "need" packages from sid
04:36<zoi>why did you put need in quotes?
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04:36<firefox>http://pastebin.org/243496 seems its in there, following dpkg
04:36<jm_>my guess is because people often don't know why they need it from sid
04:38<themill>!need
04:38<dpkg>You don't NEED an application. You definitely don't NEED a game or site. You do not NEED a shell. You do not NEED to get a ban lifted. You NEED food. So go and buy your food, and if you feel that you absolutely NEED a program, we suggest that you go and buy that too while you're out. You do need beer, though.
04:39<zoi>huh?
04:39<babilen>zoi: I tried to differentiate between: 1. I need it because I always want the latest version and 2. I need it because my setup relies on using feature1 ... featureN from package-foo (the latter can only be met by running sid and the latter can be met by running sid and (more importantly) by trying to backport the relevant packages)
04:39<zoi>zoi: what if i want the latest package because of it's new features?
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04:40<locklace>!sns
04:40<dpkg>Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>.
04:40<babilen>zoi: You've followed the alsa checklist (groups, unmute, ...) and you still don't have sound?
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04:40<themill>zoi: Note that you have differentiated between "want" and "need" yourself now.
04:40<zoi>o
04:41<zoi>well
04:41<zoi>ofc, talking that way we only need bread
04:42<babilen>firefox: You've followed the alsa checklist (groups, unmute, ...) and you still don't have sound? Your card is recognised correctly - Have you run alsamixer?
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04:43<zoi>Well, what if I am a fanboy and I always want to get a latest version of special software?
04:43<babilen>,pciid 8086:24c5
04:43<judd>[8086:24c5] is '82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) AC'97 Audio Controller' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel module 'snd-intel8x0' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:24c5 http://wiki.debian.org/slmodem and the out-of-tree 'snd-intel8x0' module.
04:43<firefox>babilen, following them
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04:43<babilen>zoi: Then run sid or another bleeding edge distro
04:43<zoi>:(
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04:44<babilen>zoi: If you want sid - you have to use sid. What is so surprising about that?
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04:45<firefox>babilen, fixed, ty
04:46<zoi>babilen: would it be a bad idea to install lenny and then do a dist-upgrade?
04:46<firefox>anyway to make amarok look like the one from lenny? the new one.. is kinda not friendly
04:46<blockowitsch>hello. is it somehow possible to create a network interface that redirects all connections through a socks proxy?
04:46<babilen>firefox: great - enjoy your music :)
04:47<babilen>zoi: I don't know. That relies entirely on your knowledge of Debian. Would you be able to fix bugs like: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=581704 (for example)
04:47<blockowitsch>or maybe a ppp emulator like slirp
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04:48<babilen>zoi: And even if you were a Debian guru, *I* would still not run sid. But opinions on that differ and in the end it's *your* decision what you do. I tried to summarise my ideas about that in the mail and have few things to add.
04:49<zoi>Ok, thank you babilen
04:50<babilen>you are welcome - Just follow my advice in the end (i.e. Use stable, read the documentation, familiarise yourself with Debian, begin to track testing, ...)
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04:50<locklace>blockowitsch: no, because a network interface deals with ip packets, not "connections", and socks operates at the transport/session layers
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04:51<locklace>blockowitsch: but slirp is in debian, so feel free to install it if it does what you want
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04:53<locklace>zoi: first try stable+backports. if that's not cutting-edge enough for you, work to bring your clue level up and give testing a try, it's pretty much just sid without the worst clangers
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04:55<blockowitsch>locklace, is there any other way to use a socks proxy system wide? i know solutions like tsocks and proxychains, but i'm not sure if that would work in any case, for example i can imagine problems when using tools like trickle at the same time.
04:55<zoi>locklace: lol currently i cant install testing, i guess i'm not guro enough
04:56<locklace>zoi: right way to install testing is to install stable and upgrade
04:56<babilen>zoi: Hope you'll never be "guro" ;)
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04:57<blockowitsch>i would like to connect to my server via ssh and use the included socks proxy to have internet without limitations and with encrypttion...maybe i should really think about using slirp for that
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04:57<zoi>heh
04:57<melodie>bonjour, hi
04:57<melodie>y'a quelqu'un ? :D
04:58<zoi>locklace: /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze?
04:58<locklace>!fr
04:58<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur irc.oftc.net. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.oftc.net.
04:58<zoi>those instructions?
04:58<babilen>zoi: yes
04:58<locklace>zoi: yes
04:58<locklace>blockowitsch: you can do it with a tunnel
04:58<melodie>hi
04:58<locklace>blockowitsch: make it an ipsec tunnel if you want encryption
04:59<themill>zoi: from what you've demonstrated about your knowledge of debian, I'd really recommend you don't do that right away. Learn something about how debian works first.
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04:59<melodie>I'm not coming to ask for help, but to bring the news about openbox-menu program, that is not yet widely known (what a pity !)
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05:00<melodie>do someone here use openbox with a destkop manager, or even standalone ?
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05:00<melodie>http://mimasgpc.free.fr/openbox-menu-en.html
05:00<melodie>here is the presentation
05:01<zoi>themill: so what can I do then?
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05:01<locklace>zoi: i guess you just skipped over the bit about "try stable+backports first"
05:01<melodie>anyone interested about a talk on this topic ?
05:01<zoi>locklace: i tried
05:02<zoi>locklace: backports dont have a lot of packages which i wanted to use :/
05:02<locklace>melodie: this channel is for debian support, not talks on random applications
05:02<zoi>but they are still awesome
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05:02<locklace>if backports doesn't cut it, testing's your next stop, but be prepared to learn a lot and thoroughly understand everything you do before you do it
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05:03<melodie>locklace, so where in Debian world can I let people know they would like to get it ?
05:03<melodie>is there a real chat room for Debian users/packagers, somewhere ?
05:03<locklace>using aptitude will help a lot, always use "aptitude safe-upgrade", and also "aptitude -s" to simulate things so you can see what they'll do before you actually do them
05:03<zoi>for example, there is pretty old awesome in backports, but compiling awesome from source requrires newer version of cmake - which is also not in backports, etc
05:03<themill>zoi: I have no idea what your requirements are but they must be pretty different to mine.... there's absolutely nothing wrong with stable+backports.
05:03<babilen>melodie: Is it packaged for Debian?
05:04<melodie>it should be imo
05:04<melodie>it's not
05:04<melodie>but now it's packaged for PCLinuxOS (you could try alien ?)
05:04<locklace>,versions awesome
05:04<judd>awesome -- etch-backports: 2.3.3-1~bpo40+1; lenny: 2.3.3-1; squeeze: 3.4.4-1; sid: 3.4.5-1
05:05<melodie>babilen, do you use openbox as wm ?
05:05<babilen>zoi: You have been given valuable advice and it is up to you to take a decision now. I would suggest to get familiar with Debian *before* you begin to track testing or sid. Good luck :)
05:05<blockowitsch>locklace, thanks :) looks like this is exactly what i'm looking for :)
05:06<babilen>melodie: No - But you might want to file an RFP bug (/msg dpkg RFP) or try to package it yourself and have it sponsored by a DD.
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05:06<zoi>babilen: ok i got it
05:06<melodie>babilen, I don't package. I make pclinuxos remasters (enough for my knowledge)
05:06<melodie>babilen, what is a RFP bug ?
05:07<melodie>request for package ?
05:07<babilen>yes - /msg dpkg rfp
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05:08<melodie>babilen, dpkg asks me if it's larger than a breadbox
05:09<melodie>what then
05:09<melodie>?
05:09<melodie>:D
05:09<babilen>melodie: You are doing it wrong ...
05:09<melodie>I guess so...
05:09<babilen>!tell melodie about rfp
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05:12<babilen>Well, I'm off - have a nice day and until later :)
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05:12<melodie>hi Texou
05:13<melodie>someone to help me fill in a RFP ? can't get into it. :D
05:14<Texou>hi melodie
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05:14<melodie>this dpkg bot mocks at me
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05:14<melodie>the doc doesn't explain anything
05:14<firefox>alright so next question; how do I get mplayer to work with x11/xv again? all I found online was "just use x11 lulz"
05:14<melodie>firefox, try smplayer
05:14<jm_>by specifying it on command line/in the config file
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05:15<firefox>jm_, I set the option in the mplayer config.. just like lenny, but in squeeze it gives an error
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05:16<melodie>if anyone wants to ease the use of openbox, and have menus generated dynamically after a new program is installed, or removed, instead of having to redo the menus by hand, or with obmenu (which is by hand too) please take a look there : http://mimasgpc.free.fr/openbox-menu-en.html and next, do a package request ! I don't know how to suggest a package in this place. Bye now !
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05:17<melodie>;-)
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05:21<jm_>firefox: what error?
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05:34<szczepi7>hey
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06:23<Aleric>Anyone know how to catenate two strings in awk? :/
06:24<Aleric>Oh, I finally got it .. "0x"$1 works.
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06:27<locklace>it's funny that people still use awk
06:27<Aleric>Instead of?
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06:28<locklace>well, it's ok for doing something very simple like extracting one field in a shell script
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06:28<Aleric>readelf -S ./secondlife-bin | awk 'BEGIN { first = 3; } /\[ *[0-9]*\] \./ { gsub(/\[ /, ""); name = $2; first = 1; } { if (first++ == 2) { printf("%-10d %s\n", strtonum("0x"$1), name); } }' | sort -n
06:28<Aleric>:)
06:28<locklace>but anything more than that and you should be using perl, which is on every system by default these days, or python or something else if available
06:28<locklace>:(
06:29<Aleric>I don't know perl or python
06:29<locklace>perl sucks as a general purpose language but totally wins as the apotheosis of shell-scripting and sysadmin-hacking tools
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06:31<Aleric>Seems that when you're young every day is so long and you have time to learn anything you want... but after some age you don't have time anymore :/ ... I feel like I can't spend time to learn perl because I have to do other stuff :\
06:32<locklace>yeah, it sucks. but actually if you can hack things like sh and awk, you can really learn the essentials of perl in a succession of lunch breaks
06:33<Aleric>Though, I guess I could use it now... I have TWO files... and what I really want is to read lines from both files and print something that compares the sizes of the sections in both.
06:33<locklace>it was designed to be basically second nature to people who know sh, awk, sed and a little c
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06:34<Aleric>The binary size of this application grew from 270 MB to 470 MB, from version 1.4 to version 2.0... I want to know why :/
06:34<locklace>try this, http://perldoc.perl.org/perlintro.html
06:36<Aleric>... unfortunately, right now I just want/need to know the above :/ ... and I know enough to get that info in 10 minutes, using other means - instead of first spending 8 hours to learn perl :/
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06:37<Aleric>It just never seemed worth 8 hours at any given time, at most looking back ... if you assume I could have saved 5 or 10 minutes here and there over the years :p
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06:38<locklace>i bet you can get through that intro in under 30 minutes
06:38<Aleric>Well... I'm talking about learning perl :/
06:38<Aleric>I needed 21 days to learn C when I was young lol - and 3 MONTHS to learn C++. Don't tell I can learn perl in 30 minutes.
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06:39<ansgar>Oh, with Perl you can just hit you head on the keyboard and it will compile. So it's very easy ;)
06:40<locklace>as i said, it was designed to be accessible to people familiar with sh, awk and friends, so you already know a lot of it
06:41<locklace>and honestly, that little intro and the 30 minutes it takes to read it will give you enough to handle probably 80% of your tasks
06:41<locklace>the reference docs are also very high quality. in fact doc quality is probably the best part about perl
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06:42<ansgar>And th einsane amount of modules on CPAN to handle just about everything.
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06:43<locklace>right, when you hit cpan you realise that everything you need to do has already been done and prepackaged by someone
06:43<locklace>but i won't comment on cpan quality control
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06:44<themill>e.g. google "cpan readelf" and find that there's already Parse::Readelf: http://search.cpan.org/~dorner/Parse-Readelf-0.09/lib/Parse/Readelf.pm
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06:45<locklace>hehe
06:46<themill>(not sure if it's actually useful to this specific example)
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06:52<wahz>hi
06:52<wahz>I'm curious about something
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06:53<wahz>I have a java program that I've run on both Debian and Ubuntu
06:53<dbvolio>oi debian can be installed on a hp proliant ml 350????
06:53<dbvolio>lenny?
06:53<wahz>and for some reason, when on Debian, it takes almost twice as long to run
06:54<wahz>does anyone have a clue as to why this may be?
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06:54<dbvolio>??
06:54<wahz>I actually installed Debian alongside existing Ubuntu because I thought I'd get away from a bit of the bloat
06:54<wahz>so the result has surprised me
06:55<wahz>squeeze
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06:56<locklace>wahz: what are the respective java implementations/versions
06:57<bzed>dbvolio: chances for that are really good, yes.
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06:57<gygy_>bonjour !
06:57<locklace>!fr
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06:57<gsimmons>dbvolio: See http://wiki.debian.org/HP/ProLiant regarding notes on specific models.
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06:58<wahz>both: openjdk 1.6.0_18, client vm build 14.0-b16
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06:59<locklace>wahz: what is the program and what does it do? can you run it through a profiler
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07:00<wahz>it's not a supported program, it's my own code (context is Genetic Programming)
07:01<locklace>but is it cpu-bound, io-bound, ...
07:01<wahz>cpu
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07:01<themill>wahz: are you sure that's the JVM that's actually being used?
07:02<wahz>I checked via 'java -version'
07:02<themill>(that's not a java version that's in any debian release)
07:02<wahz>also via update-alternatives
07:02<wahz>I'm on squeeze
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07:03<themill>That might just be the old package then... unlikely to make too many differences. There are a lot of different knobs to tune the jvm though (default memory allocations etc) so you probably need to be careful with all of them when you're comparing.
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07:05<locklace>,versions openjdk-6-jre
07:05<judd>openjdk-6-jre -- lenny: 6b11-9.1; lenny-security: 6b11-9.1+lenny2; squeeze: 6b18-1.8-1; sid: 6b18-1.8-2
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07:05<wahz>themill: it's the version as per: http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/openjdk-6-jre-headless
07:05<themill>duh... I was looking at the sun one.
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07:07<themill>wahz: there have been complaints about the performance of openjdk vs sun jvm before. It might be worth trying out the sun jvm for this.
07:07<wahz>I did, in fact, I had that installed initially, the speed was slow and so I tried openjdk, but it didn't improve
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07:08<locklace>wahz: apart from the jvm, how about the system config itself, especially kernel scheduler/cpufreq sorts of things; are you sure all that's exactly the same as it was on the ubuntu kernel (and what kernel was that)
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07:08<locklace>wahz: put another way, is it just java that's slower or other cpu-bound tasks too
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07:09<wahz>to be honest locklace, I haven't compared the two environments to that extent, though I imagine that it would be something along those lines (kernel, jvm params, etc)
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07:09<locklace>i bet there's some very basic difference in system config
07:10<wahz>okay
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07:11<wahz>where might the default jvm params be configured?
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07:13<wahz>btw, deb kernel is 2.6.32-3-686; ubuntu kernel is 2.6.32-22-generic
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07:14<wahz>both are repackaged, I have not built a custom kernel
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07:20<wahz>*pre-packaged
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07:41<networkn>hey so how can I tell how big /mnt/usb is?
07:41<networkn>if I do a du it shows me what's on the usb, but i want to know the entire size of it
07:41<jm_>df
07:42<networkn>it's not listed there
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07:42<networkn>does that mean the dir is there in case someone wants to mount a usb stick for the future?
07:43<jm_>possibly
07:43<networkn>any other likely scenarios
07:43<jm_>but then, why would du show files on it and df not show anything
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07:43<networkn>du shows 1 file and it's 4 bytes
07:43<Kenshin>g'morning everyone
07:44<jm_>which file is it?
07:44<Kenshin>anyone have any success getting F.E.A.R. 2 to run in wine?
07:44<Kenshin>i'm using 5.0.4 lenny
07:44<Kenshin>and 1.44 wine
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07:46<Kenshin>anyone have any success getting F.E.A.R. 2 to run in wine?
07:46<Kenshin>or Devil May Cry 4?
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07:53<networkn>jm_sorry I was mistaken . == 4bytes
07:53<jm_>networkn: ok so it's not mounted then
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08:34<abc>Can anyone help me out with this problem pls.... http://paste.debian.net/73547/
08:35<babilen>context?
08:36<abc>?
08:36<icebrain>what were you doing, abc?
08:37<abc>i installed xfce
08:37<locklace>!tell abc about how to ask
08:37<abc>and everytime i make apt-get upgrade
08:37<abc>debian lenny 64
08:38<leino>abc: I think they want to know exactly what command spat out that output
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08:38<abc>apt-get upgrade
08:38<leino>my guess is "apt-get install xfce"
08:38<leino>ok :)
08:38<abc>now everytime i try to install something it comes out that error
08:38<jm_>looks like the real culprit is update-grub
08:38<jm_>try running that manually
08:38<abc>and wont install anything
08:38<babilen>abc: Have you compiled a custom kernel? Do you by chance use OVH Debian?
08:39<abc>yeah
08:39<abc>Kimsufi debian
08:40<abc>i tried reinstalling and rest but still nth
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08:42<babilen>abc: Well, ask them for support. AFAICT that issue has not been reported in Debian (yet?).
08:42<babilen>abc: http://forum.ovh.co.uk/showthread.php?t=3425 might give some pointers. Any reason why you are not using Debian but OVH?
08:42<locklace>so this is some hosting provider's idiosyncratically-borked version of debian
08:43<babilen>looks like it
08:43<koollman>I doubt it's really borked. more likely a custom kernel, and no grub installed, which tends to make various post-config script do strange stuff
08:44<icebrain>yeah, it seems it failed for other people using Lilo
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08:44<babilen>koollman: It surely is not completely borked, but rather modified in a way that does not play well with the rest of the Debian packages.
08:44<koollman>babilen: or, some packages aren't tested with grub installation missing
08:45<abc>babilen: Because it is the one installed on their manager
08:45<koollman>which was until recently a valid debian install, I think
08:45<babilen>koollman: I'm sure that that issues like this would have been reported by now, because there are still a number of users who use lilo
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08:47<babilen>abc: It is hard for us to help you with your problem as you are using a Debian-based distribution that changed a couple of things. You might want to try some of the tips provided on the OVH forum.
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08:48<abc>thanks babilen,i'm trying to understand the problem
08:48<babilen>abc: If you compiled the kernel yourself, you might want to make sure that bzImage is in place or just switch to grub.
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08:49<abc>nah,i'm a n00b
08:49<koollman>abc: what does 'which update-grub2' return ?
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08:49<abc>the manager did it
08:49<abc>it was ok,since it was cli
08:49<abc>i installed xfce and started the problems
08:50<koollman>babilen: something I wouldn't advise on a remote server with no easy access to correct stuff :)
08:50<babilen>abc: There is a (maybe french) channel for OVH on freenode. You might want to ask in #ovh on irc.freenode.net
08:50<babilen>koollman: Hehe, true. But we have to think of the poor sysadmins at OVH - they need work!
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08:51<koollman>babilen: well. Sure. They even are one of my competitors, sort of.
08:51<abc>i doubt i can speak french
08:51<abc>italian and english
08:51<abc>:P
08:51<koollman>Still, I don't think it's their fault ;)
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08:52<babilen>abc: I am not sure if it is a french channel - But it is the correct channel for your distribution. Good luck!
08:52<abc>thnx a lot
08:52<Kenshin>has anyone gotten Devil May Cry 4 or F.E.A.R. 2 to work yet?
08:52<abc>i'll try
08:52<koollman>abc: I would say grub (or rather grub2) was pulled as a recommendation by some packages, and now update-grub2 (which is launched by some post-install scripts) fails
08:53<gernot>Hi everybody. Let's assume I have to setup a very recent Laptop that needs squeeze to run properly. What do I do if that Laptop is for someone else who can't handle the frequent updates and possible breakage. Would it be a good idea to install squeeze and update it once every month or less? Or is this a situation where the recent Ubuntu LTS would be a good choice?
08:53<koollman>abc: now, check to see if it's on your system (it should be, since it generates this error), and why it's there. (if you haven't changed anything, you use lilo to boot)
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08:53<abc>Updating /boot/grub/grub.cfg ...
08:53<abc>ls: cannot access /boot/bzImage: No such file or directory
08:53<abc>Found linux image:
08:53<abc>basename: missing operand
08:53<abc>Try `basename --help' for more information.
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08:53<babilen>gernot: Do you need squeeze or just a recent kernel?
08:54<mjt>maybe lenny+bpo is a better way
08:55<babilen>.. depends on his/her needs (tried to clarify that first)
08:55<gernot>babilen, interesting question. The Laptop hasn't been purchased yet so I can't say. It's just that I observed a lot of recommendations to upgrade to squeeze when people had problems with recent hardware.
08:55<gernot>Yes, first I would try Lenny+bpo.
08:56<Kenshin>hey gernot, could upgrading to squeeze possibly help wine run any games/apps that it doesn't right now?
08:56<Kenshin>i'm on 5.0.4 lenny currently
08:56<babilen>gernot: Hardware support is generally handled by the kernel. You might want to try recent kernels. You can install them from backports (/msg dpkg bpo) after you've installed the base system. If you need a new kernel during the install you can use a stable image from kmuto which comes with a recent kernel. (/msg dpkg kmuto)
08:56<icebrain>,versions wine
08:56<judd>wine -- etch: 0.9.25-2.1; etch-backports: 1.0.0-1~bpo40+1; lenny: 1.0.1-1; sid: 1.0.1-2; squeeze: 1.0.1-2; experimental: 1.1.24-2
08:56<gernot>babilen, good advice. Thank you.
08:57<Kenshin>i'm on wine 1.1.42
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08:57<icebrain>Kenshin: then you won't get any advantage from upgrading, as Squeeze is just in 1.0.1-2
08:57<babilen>gernot: It might help if you could try the computer with a Live CD and check the output of "lspci -n" on http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/
08:57<Kenshin>thx ice
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08:58<Kenshin>have you heard any trix to getting devil may cry 4 to run ice?
08:58<gernot>I'm still curious though. Running squeeze without frequent updates will be 1) a security risk and 2) increase the chance of breakage during (the then huge) updates. Correct?
08:58<icebrain>Kenshin: I don't know, but have you looked in the appdb?
08:58<Kenshin>because it starts, runs the advertisements in full screen then crashes just as the intro vid is supposed to load
08:58<Kenshin>i have, no posts for lenny or squeeze atm, but there is a few for ubuntu
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08:59<Kenshin>but that rly does me no good in that situation lol
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08:59<gernot>I'm still curious though. Running squeeze without frequent updates will be 1) a security risk and 2) increase the chance of breakage during (the then huge) updates. Correct? (In case you missed this, babilen)
09:00<babilen>gernot: got my last message? ("It will tell ...")
09:00<gernot>babilen, the last line I got was about using a live CD.
09:01<babilen>gernot: Your assumptions are mostly correct
09:01<babilen>gernot: It will tell you what kernel version you need for the (PCI) hardware. If it is a very new kernel, you most likely need a recent kernel anyway and you most likely have to use the kmuto images anyway
09:01<babilen>gernot: Lost connection for a second and wasn't sure if the message made it :)
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09:02<gernot>Thanks, babilen. It would be nice if I could go with Lenny. We'll see.
09:02<babilen>gernot: I would think so as hw support if provided by the kernel.
09:02<Kenshin>guess all i can do is wait for an update of wine
09:03<Kenshin>no biggy though, i got plenty of games that do work ;)
09:03<babilen>gernot: If you have to use the kmuto images for the installation I would still suggest to install a kernel from backports later on in order to get updatesfor that package
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09:04<Metrahla>is it possible to access a PC on the LAN, trough the terminal ? may it be on some dir ?
09:04<gernot>I see. Well I'm sure I'll be back with more question when the time comes. This was just a little preemptive research. :)
09:05<babilen>Metrahla: You probably want "ssh"
09:05<Metrahla>babilen, when trough the file manager.. it acceses some other way ...:S
09:05<babilen>gernot: Good luck! http://www.linux-laptop.net/ might be handy as well.
09:05<Metrahla>samba ?
09:06<babilen>Metrahla: What are you trying to do/achieve?
09:06<Metrahla>babilen, transfer i file.. oh .. i know there arte several ways :)
09:07<babilen>Metrahla: How often do you need to transfer files? Between what kind of computers? ... Tell us a bit more about your setup please :)
09:07<francisc>what is kmuto?
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09:08<babilen>francisc: ask dpkg :) (/msg dpkg kmuto)
09:08<francisc>thnx :p
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09:10<Metrahla>babilen, its just a small LAN, i just have to drag and drop a file, when i want to Transfeer (i can find my way) .. its curious the the file manager on Xfce.. doesnt shows network discovery
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09:13<babilen>Metrahla: Hmm, I am not sure about the file manager in XFCE, but nautilus supports connecting to servers which have SSH enabled. For that to work you would basically install an SSH server on the remote host, configure key based authentication and use nautilus "Connect to Server ..." functionality ...
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09:15<babilen>Metrahla: I would assume that the XFCE file manager supports that as well. If you have to transfer files frequently and you only want to do so on your local LAN I would rather suggest something like NFS ... You could also use SAMBA or FTP or ....
09:15<Torsten_W>Metrahla, the filemanager in xfce is thunar and is not able to overlay virtual fs'
09:15<babilen>Torsten_W: Thanks for clarifying that
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09:16<babilen>Metrahla: How often do you need to transfer files? Do you need to do so over the internet?
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09:19<Metrahla>oh, no .. not frequently
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09:21<babilen>Metrahla: The easiest way is to setup ssh - That gives you the possibility to log into the remote host and transfer files with scp/sftp. A couple of filemanagers (nautilus,dolphin,...) can "mount" directories on SSH accessible volumes and provide easy drag+drop access to them.
09:22<babilen>s/volumes/hosts :)
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09:26<babilen>Metrahla: Have to go - good luck.
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09:27<Kjetil>Is VirtualBox seamless mode broken i debian testing for everyone or just me ? (Doesn't go into proper fullscreen on a dualmonitor setup. The area were the gnomepanels are on the primary monitor seams to be reserved)
09:27<dr|z3d>Depends, Kjetil. It sometimes works, sometimes doesn't.
09:28<dr|z3d>There's a bug related to screenres that doesn't help, either.
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09:28<Kjetil>Annoyingly enough it manages to go into proper fullscreen mode if I set the gnomepanels to autohide
09:28<dr|z3d>Obviously you'll need to install vbox additions. Even then, it doesn't always work as expected.
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09:44<bremner>Is there some nice(ish) graph editor in Debian that reads .dot (graphviz) files? dotty is kindof lame
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10:01<compaq>anyone ever dealt with a compiz blacklisted video card. Cause mine is and I want to find a way around it
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10:02<babilen>compaq: #compiz on irc.freenode.net might be a better place to ask if this is not really a Debian related question.
10:03<compaq>I might just go buy a video card
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10:03<compaq>babilen, ok thanks, sorry to disturb. I thought I was in Ubuntu anyway
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10:24<Dreakon>Hey guys, I'm trying to watch a DVD in VLC (and Movie Player) and while Debian understands what movie and what DVD it is, it just wont play.
10:24<babilen>Dreakon: It is probably an encrypted DVD
10:25<babilen>!tell Dreakon about libdvdcss2
10:25<Dreakon>lol
10:25<babilen>Dreakon: You can either install it from debian-multimedia or directly from videolan
10:26<themill>!dvd playback
10:26<dpkg>To play DVDs, you need some media playing software (ask me about <dvd> for some suggestions on viewers). You will also need the libdvdcss2 libdvdnav4 libdvdread3 packages installed, some of which are in <debian-multimedia.org> (see <libdvdcss>). You will also need to set a region on your DVD player - if you have never done so before - using regionset. Also ask me about <dvd playback troubleshooting>.
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10:27*babilen smiles at dpkg - why do i even try? :)
10:27<babilen>Dreakon: lol? What do you mean?
10:27<themill>babilen: we just need to teach it to parse the question as well...
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10:29<livre>e ai pessoal[
10:29<locklace>!br
10:29<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
10:29<livre>tbm me chamo Ivan
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10:30<locklace>we could at least have dpkg auto-es-social-on-OLA
10:30<Dreakon>Uh, I'm trying to add the debian multimedia repo's but it seems to need a public key, something it doesn't seem to mention on the debian multimedia site...
10:30<Tak_>!sources.list
10:30<dpkg>The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian lenny main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <lenny security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list
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10:31<themill>Dreakon: it does mention this on the dmm website
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10:31<livre>hi people
10:32<babilen>Dreakon: Either read that ^^^ or "/msg dpkg dmm" or "/msg dpkg apt-key 1F41B907"
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10:32<schlurchz>Hi folks. Can someone tell me what's the correct way to enable specific mouse acceleration profiles for X.org in squeeze? Is xorg.conf the right place? I've tried adding a "InputClass" section and set the AccelerationProfile option there, but it has no effect. See http://paste.debian.net/73612/ for my xorg.conf and Xorg.log snippet
10:33*Tak_ was just seeing what dpkg had to say about sources.list, wasn't paying attention to your convo
10:33<locklace>!tell Tak_ about selftell
10:33<themill>Tak_: you can talk to dpkg in a /msg if you want.
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10:34<Tak_>k
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10:34<Tak_>ty, i didn't want to spam the channel
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10:35<Dreakon>Oookay, now I installed that libcss whatever from the videolan repo's.
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10:35<Dreakon>And VLC just closes, it doesnt even give me the indication it could work, when I try to load the DVD.
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10:36<locklace>"from the videolan repos"
10:37<Dreakon>Yes, I'm kind of in a hurry and the gentleman said to get it from debian multimedia or directly from videolan. Since I couldnt get clear directions from the debian multimedia site, I did the latter.
10:38<icebrain>Dreakon: running Lenny?
10:38<icebrain>!dmm lenny
10:38<dpkg>To add the debian-multimedia repository run (as root) # echo "deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org/ lenny main non-free" >> /etc/apt/sources.list; aptitude update && aptitude install debian-multimedia-keyring && aptitude update. For an alternative way to load Marillat's archive key, ask me about <apt-key 1F41B907>.
10:38<Dreakon>Testing.
10:38<icebrain>!dmm squeeze
10:38<dpkg>To add the debian-multimedia repository run (as root) # echo "deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org/ squeeze main non-free" >> /etc/apt/sources.list; aptitude update && aptitude install debian-multimedia-keyring && aptitude update. For an alternative way to load Marillat's archive key, ask me about <apt-key 1F41B907>.
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10:42<babilen>icebrain: You don't necessarily need dmm for libdvdcss2 - It is available from upstream as well. Not sure if the version shipped in dmm differs from the upstream one though.
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10:46<babilen>icebrain: IMHO installing it from dmm is a better choice if you don't use sid and care about automatic updates
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10:46<icebrain>babilen: yeah, I agree. I get VLC from dmm too
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11:26<[Jasper]>hej guys, is there anyone here who can help me
11:26<styxcc>moin
11:26<jordanm>!ask
11:26<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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11:29<[Jasper]>getting kernel panic during installation
11:30<[Jasper]>when it's loading the kernel
11:30<[Jasper]>kernel panic - not syncing: attempted to kill idle task
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11:31<[Jasper]>it's a amd sempron 64 3400+
11:31<[Jasper]>using iso: debian-504-amd64-netinst
11:31<valdyn>[Jasper]: the first error should be before that
11:31<[Jasper]>how can I see that valdyn?
11:31<[Jasper]>is there a possiblility to scroll up?
11:31<[Jasper]>somehow?
11:32<[Jasper]>because it looks like the system located completely..
11:32<[Jasper]>locked
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11:32<[Jasper]>it says something in the call trace about kmem_cache_alloc
11:33<[Jasper]>do_tune_cpucache -> enable_cpucache -> kmem_cache_create
11:33<[Jasper]>gonna try to remove 1 module of memory
11:33<[Jasper]>see what happens
11:33<valdyn>[Jasper]: why the hell would you do that?
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11:34<mjt>"Just maybe it's related..."
11:34<mjt>in 99.99% cases it's not
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11:34<valdyn>!serial console
11:34<valdyn>oo
11:35<mjt>yeah ;)
11:35<valdyn>[Jasper]: the system locked up on purpose, you need a serial console to grab the whole output
11:35<[Jasper]>hmm
11:35<mjt>unfortunately many modern devices comes without serial ports
11:36<mjt>esp. notebooks
11:36<[Jasper]>it has a serial port..
11:36<[Jasper]>but I have no cable for that
11:37<[Jasper]>am in the datacenter
11:37<[Jasper]>but it worked before
11:37<[Jasper]>I just wanted to reinstall
11:37<[Jasper]>put in 2 new harddisks..
11:37<[Jasper]>that's all
11:37<[Jasper]>replaced 2 with 2 others..
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11:38<brandon>hey
11:38<brandon>??
11:38<brandon>??
11:38<brandon>????
11:38<brandon>?????
11:39<nostmith>brandon, stop that
11:39<mjt>[Jasper]: apparently the kernel used in the installer CD has issue booting on your hw.
11:39<brandon>whos this
11:39<[Jasper]>ok
11:39<[Jasper]>now it boots
11:39<babilen>brandon: Do you have a Debian related question?
11:39<[Jasper]>removed 1 memory module..
11:39<[Jasper]>that's odd....isn't it..
11:39<mjt>so run a memcheck on it
11:39<brandon>is this about knoppix
11:39<[Jasper]>it always worked fine with that meomry module..all I did was remove it and put it back in..
11:40<mjt>ah
11:40<valdyn>[Jasper]: static discharge
11:40<mjt>that explains thhings
11:40<icebrain>brandon: no, this is about Debian
11:40<icebrain>!tell brandon about knoppix
11:40<babilen>brandon: No, this is a Debian support channel - IRC knoppix is #knoppix on irc.freenode.net
11:40<mjt>!tell mjt about knoppix
11:40<mjt>;)
11:40<valdyn>[Jasper]: you need to touch a radiator or something equivalent before touching ram modules
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11:41<mjt>(and yes i know /msg dpkg)
11:41<babilen>!tell mjt -about selftell
11:41<babilen>mjt: ah - sorry then :)
11:41<brandon>where do i talk to knoppix?
11:41<[Jasper]>I touched the rack valdyn..
11:41<valdyn>brandon: in #knoppix
11:42<[Jasper]>should be enough right?
11:42<valdyn>[Jasper]: alright
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11:42<mjt>actually, most likely it was some contact problem
11:42<[Jasper]>gonna try and plug it back in
11:42<valdyn>[Jasper]: sure if it has a connection to ground
11:42<[Jasper]>it does..
11:42<valdyn>[Jasper]: or if its just big enough
11:42<[Jasper]>it's quite large :p
11:42<[Jasper]>40 racks in a row..connected
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11:44<[Jasper]>works now..
11:44<[Jasper]>reseated it
11:45<[Jasper]>contact issue I guess..
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11:49<Kenshin>hi everyone
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11:51<[Jasper]>hi Kenshin
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11:51<babilen>Kenshin: Fancy a tea or do you have a question?
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11:53<[Jasper]>gah, why does partitioning take this long..
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11:55<[Jasper]>hmm this does in fact look like it takes too long..
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11:56<[Jasper]>hmmm 5 minutes is too long right for formatting of 160 gb
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11:57<Kenshin>tea would be great :D
11:57<dr|z3d>[Jasper]: No. Not if you're doing a full format... that's reasonably fast.
11:57<Kjetil>not if it's running without dma-support
11:57<[Jasper]>dr|z3d does the installer run a FULL format?
11:57<Kenshin>other than that, i'm still not understanding why devil may cry 4 will start up, go full screen, load the advertisements pre-intro video then crash when it's time for the intro vid to start
11:57<dr|z3d>[Jasper]: It's an option, sure..
11:58<Kenshin>one would think that if it was able to load that much then it should start the game ok
11:58<[Jasper]>but is it the default dr|z3d ?
11:58<Kenshin>or atleast get to the start screen since it's already displaying and loading the advertisement things
11:59<dr|z3d>[Jasper]: If you're creating a new partition, then, yes, I think by default it does a full format.
11:59<[Jasper]>hmm
11:59<[Jasper]>no way to see progress right?
11:59<Kenshin>i'm starting to think that maybe it's some sort of a video codec issue at this point, yet i've installed nearly everything available via wintricks
11:59*babilen hands Kenshin a cup o' tea and opens the door to #wine on irc.freenode.net
11:59<Kenshin>oi
11:59<Kenshin>that would probably be a better bet ey?
11:59<Kenshin>lol
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12:00<babilen>Kenshin: Uh - ECHAN ...
12:00<Kenshin>also, how to i speak directly to ppl in an open room as you do and have it appear in red as it does on my screen when you talk directly to me?
12:00<babilen>Kenshin: it's #winehq on irc.freenode.net
12:00<GhostlyDeath>Kenshin: Highlighting?
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12:00<Kenshin>right Ghost
12:00<Kenshin>ya i know of it babilen, i'm headed that way, thanks :D
12:01<[Jasper]>is it psosible to see writing speed to the harddisk
12:01<[Jasper]>during installation
12:01<[Jasper]>I'm having the feeling something is wrong here
12:01<babilen>Kenshin: Just mention the name and/or start with "Nick:" - Tab completion is handy for that ...
12:01<Kenshin>babilen, like this?
12:01<Kenshin>babilen: or this?
12:01<GhostlyDeath>Alot of people here talk, then quickly move away to a different window
12:02<GhostlyDeath>and only respond back when highlighted
12:02<Kenshin>GhostlyDeath: is this correct?
12:02<[Jasper]>ok something is wrong for sure now.....is there anyone who knows how I can test disk write speed?
12:02<[Jasper]>during installation?
12:03<Kenshin>brb, i'm headed to wine channel
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12:06<[Jasper]>valdyn maybe you know how I can see this?
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12:10<[Jasper]>I wish this network allowed me to onnect to freenode for some help
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12:12<[Jasper]>ok
12:12<[Jasper]>this is a problem
12:12<babilen>[Jasper]: "this network" ?
12:12<[Jasper]>writing inode tables: hangs on 279/1147
12:12<GhostlyDeath>[Jasper]: OFTC has nothing to do with Freenode
12:12<[Jasper]>corrupt disks?
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12:12<[Jasper]>wow, total system hangs during writing the inode tables..
12:13<babilen>[Jasper]: bonnie++ is useful for testing disk benchmarks
12:13<[Jasper]>no wonder it takes this long...it freezes
12:13<[Jasper]>babilen 2 new harddisks in mirror
12:13<GhostlyDeath>[Jasper]: Broken disk?
12:13<[Jasper]>hmmm I don't know
12:13<[Jasper]>would a system completely hang becaues of broken disks?
12:13<[Jasper]>I think not right?
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12:16<[Jasper]>weird weird weird
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12:17<ohwow>Does anybody know how to install all dependencies for a package but not the package itself?
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12:17<gio>!list
12:17<dpkg>gio: VATTENE VIA
12:17<[Jasper]>might be memory problem
12:17<[Jasper]>once again
12:18<gio>grazie ciao
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12:18<ohwow>o nvm, it's build-dep
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12:24<[Jasper]>I think one of the modules is b0rked..
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12:25<[Jasper]>weird though..
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12:31<[Jasper]>whta program can I use for memcheck from debian ?
12:31<[Jasper]>mjt ?
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12:32<Torsten_W>memtest86?
12:33<[Jasper]>from debian?
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12:34<kickmule>memmxtest --> hwtools
12:34<[Jasper]>I just aptitude installed memtest86
12:34<[Jasper]>but how do I run that
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12:35<[Jasper]>do I need a bootable cd for that?
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12:37<bremner>[Jasper]: it should be an option in grub when you reboot
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12:38<[Jasper]>I don't see it as an option
12:38<[Jasper]>bremner
12:38<[Jasper]>do I need to change anythijng?
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12:40<gsimmons>kickmule: hwtools hasn't been in Debian since Etch.
12:40<gsimmons>[Jasper]: Run update-grub to create the boot option.
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12:41<kickmule>gsimmons: ops :-) I have again Etch ...
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12:57<locklace>!pie bja
12:57*dpkg hits bja in the face with a cream pie
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12:57<bja>!beer locklace
12:57*dpkg pulls out an excellent Dogfishhead 90min IPA for locklace
12:57<locklace>oops, i was aiming for gsimmons
12:58<bja>Never mind, you allready made the day
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12:59<babilen>can i have some pie too?
13:00<babilen>oh - ECHAN ...
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13:10<bja>outlook has some isues with pop3 is there a known workaround besides changing the client?
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13:14<help_me>Hello to all
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13:16<help_me>Can somebody help me?
13:16<BitCrypt>no
13:17<help_me>why?
13:17<dr|zed>!ask
13:17<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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13:18<help_me>I'm sorry, I'm newbie an dos don't know the rules
13:18<dr|z3d>help_me: Assuming you can read, check dpkg's advice.
13:18<tsar>Hello everyone. Got a problem upgrading the nvidia driver on Squeeze, cant launch X now. "API mismatch: the NVIDIA kernel module has version 195.36.15, but this NVIDIA driver component has version 195.36.24. Please make sure that the kernel module and all NVIDIA driver components have the same version." I used the nvidia way for installing the driver (stopping gdm, logging as root, export CC=gcc-4.3, sh driver.sh), as the debian default way doesnt work on my pc.
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13:19<dr|z3d>!nvidia
13:19<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Testing users: ask me about <nvidia squeeze>. Installing directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net).
13:19<locklace>!tell tsar about nvidia squeeze
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13:19<tsar>Thanks. Reading.
13:20<help_me>I'm running Debian version 5, is there anyway to view files which located under root directory (/root/directory_name) from web browser
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13:21<locklace>help_me: file://<path_to_file>
13:22<dr|z3d>almost, locklace.. it's a triple /
13:22<dr|z3d>so file:///
13:22<cahoot> /root or / ?
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13:22<locklace>dr|z3d: <path_to_file> begins with a /
13:23<dr|z3d>eg, on windows, you'd supply file:///c:
13:23<dr|z3d>I imagine the same for Linux, though I don't have a browser open to check atm.
13:23<help_me>this is a vps
13:23<locklace>debian isn't windows last i checked
13:23<help_me>and I want to view these files from my web browser
13:24<dr|z3d>I don't think the file:/// protocol is platform specific.
13:24<locklace>dr|z3d: do you understand the statement "<path_to_file> begins with a /"
13:24<help_me>for example
13:24<help_me>I have a ip address and installed apache
13:24<dr|z3d>locklace: I do; others, help_me for example, may not. So I clarified.
13:24<ignotusp>Do you know that James Dio died?
13:25<locklace>!slap ignotusp
13:25*dpkg strikes a resounding *THWAP* across ignotusp's face
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13:32<Pf>hi
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13:35<Lanz>Does anyone know how to get speech-dispatcher to work on a fresh install of Debian unstable with KDE 4.4.3?
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13:35<Lanz>It doesn't work upon a default install, falls back to the dummy output device
13:35<Lanz>The errors in /var/log/speech-dispatcher aren't helpful as far as I can tell
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13:48<Lanz>Figured it out, just install a whack of festival stuff
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13:55<amitz>I'm waiting for the deployment of a new kernel, 2.6.32-11. Where can I track that? It's not even in unstable yet.
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13:56<aiux> sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-12)
13:56<locklace>amitz: http://packages.qa.debian.org/l/linux-2.6.html
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14:00<amitz>ah, sorry. I searched it as 2.6.32 in packages.debian.org. It's sorted ascendingly so 2.6.32-3 is earlier than 2.6.32-5 :-p
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14:10<amitz>the newer kernel has many dependencies that are unsatisfied yet. What's the pattern with previous release, do they usually decide to just use the last working version whose dependencies are met, or they will continue working until all depedencies are met?
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14:13<kuntmold>__okay__ I finished installing Debian Linux at which point it deleted Vista. I now need to get Vista back on here but when I insert my recovery discs from Acer it tells me it cannot find a driver letter. After consulting Googles wonderful search it tells me Microcrap doesn't like partitioned/cloned drives. Anybody have any ideas?
14:13<dr|z3d>supergrubdisk might help.
14:14<kuntmold>(sorry for the username please tell me how to change it for public view in here as its my login name for Debian not what I chose to walk in here with)
14:14<bja>kuntmold: Virtual machine?
14:14<dr|z3d>kuntmold: /nick <desired nickname>
14:14-!-kuntmold is now known as Barney
14:14<dr|z3d>(minus brackets)
14:14<Barney>thanks
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14:14<Barney>VIrtual machine?? IDK
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14:15<Barney>whats supergrubdisk? How can I just install Vista64 dual booting Debian and Vista?
14:16<Barney>and how come I dont have sound anymore??
14:16<Barney>drivers I suppose?
14:16<bja>Barney: researach kvm vmware openbox xen there are lots of options
14:16<dr|z3d>!fgi Barney supergrubdisk
14:16<dpkg>Barney: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=supergrubdisk
14:16*dr|z3d winks.
14:17<Barney>fuckinggoogleit doesnt give me a search box
14:17<dr|z3d>Wait for it..
14:17<dr|z3d>It will redirect to google.
14:17<Barney>its slow
14:17*bja chuckles
14:17<dr|z3d>In the meantime, read what the page says :)
14:18<Barney>it went away too fast
14:18<bja>!beer dr|z3d
14:18*dpkg deftly decants a fine Gulden Drak for dr|z3d
14:18<dr|z3d>Merci, bja.
14:18<Barney>all questions can be googled and answered so whats the point of this channel?
14:18<Barney>stupid people like me who want direct answers?
14:18<dr|z3d>You got an answer.
14:18<dr|z3d>It's up to you to take the initiative.
14:19<bja>Barney: The solutions are written here so everyone can google it then
14:19<Barney>amazing
14:19<dr|z3d>I can't be more direct than "try supergrubdisk".
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14:19<Barney>im reading about it between sentences
14:19<Barney>its not a program :|
14:19<Barney>will my computer boot up with a vista boot disk?
14:20<bja>tryit and then report back
14:20<dr|z3d>You'll need to download the .iso and burn to cd or usb drive, assuming your box supports booting off usb. Easier to just create a cd.
14:20<locklace>!tell Barney about dual boot guide
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14:22<Barney>i only have 7 discs remaining and im not spending another US80 on Debian when its supposed to be free. Its going to cost me more to set this OS up than it would be buy win$7$
14:22<Barney>so I cannot "try" things
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14:25<dr|z3d>Oh, sure.. a blank cd is about the same price as Windows 7.
14:25<dr|z3d>Maybe in China. *chuckle*
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14:25<surf>hi
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14:26<Gathond>Barney: 80 USD for a CD?, are they made of diamond?
14:26<surf>I have only 2.3 gigs inside the / dir. I want to compile a new kernel. Can I do it from another dir pointing to /usr/src/?
14:27<Barney>US80 for 10 CDs if I buy another 10 to get the OS setup then another 10 for drivers and other BS thats 240... then I will need another 10 for screwing up burning =US360
14:27<bja>Barney: debian is free as in freedom, not free as in beer
14:27<surf>bja, quote
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14:27<amphi>Barney: why not use the netinstall iso?
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14:28<amphi>and not screw up burning it?
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14:28<Kjetil>10 for drivers ?
14:28<Barney>because im stupid and 1 cannot read directions (ADHD) 2 new to Debian 3 bugs are eating me alive as I type
14:28<bja>Barney: install a vm from the repos and install vista on it
14:28<surf>any idea guys?
14:28<slush>surf: yes you can
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14:29<dr|z3d>bja: Debian is free as in beer and as in speech.
14:29<bja>surf: df -h and choose the place with most free space
14:29<dr|z3d>(unless you're a clown that's paid to download it)
14:29<surf>bja, yeah in /home I have 100gigs free
14:30<bja>surf: feel free to download everything there, do the compiling there and move the end result to the place you need it
14:30<surf>oh nice. Thx
14:31<bja>dr|z3d: Well installing any OS on a machine has a cost. Depending on the proficiency of the installer it will have a bigger or smaller cost. (Time is money) But anyway i will not discuss that on this channel
14:31<Kjetil>bja: If he wants dual boot, that not really a solution to what he asks for ?
14:31<bja>!beer dr|z3d
14:31*dpkg deftly decants a fine Green Flash IPA for dr|z3d
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14:32<dr|z3d>bja: free at the point of delivery. :) Nuff said.
14:32<Barney>where do I shove drivers so I can have sound for my 'adult movies'?
14:32<dr|z3d>Barney: you want the gstreamer drivers, most likely.
14:32<locklace>too much information
14:32<dr|z3d>Have a look in synaptic and install all you see.
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14:33<dr|z3d>ie: filter for gstreamer
14:33<Barney>where is gstreamer and synaptic?
14:33<dr|z3d>synaptic is under system on your gnome menu/panel.
14:33<Barney>ive tried clicking everything and at one point had to reinstall debian because it wouldnt boot anymore
14:33<dr|z3d>or you can launch from a terminal.
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14:34<dr|z3d>I'm inclined to suggest that Ubuntu would be a much better fit for your needs.
14:34*hdon hates ubuntu
14:34*hdon is using ubuntu right now :(
14:35<Barney>i researched a lot of distros and debian seems to be what I need not ubuntu
14:35<dr|z3d>You're demonstrating that it isn't, but whatever.
14:35<Barney>synaptic gives me about 5K things I can download and none seem to be sound drivers...not even a sound/drivers text to click
14:36<Barney>im learning...give me 6 months
14:36<dr|z3d>Read instructions. I said filter for gstreamer.
14:36<amitz>Barney: perhaps it's time to reassesed your research. Ubuntu tries harder to make the users have better casual experience, ie: sounds, graphic, etc.
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14:37<Barney>i thought gstreamer was a program within debian like synaptic. im sure you had to learn this at some point
14:37<amitz>I'm not being snarky here btw, honest advice.
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14:37<pedroc>hi, thai, korean, chinese characters are not displayed in iceweasel. which packages should i install?
14:38<dr|z3d>pedroc: apt-cache search asian |grep fonts
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14:44<StupidQuestion>what package would I need for my wifi to work so I dont have to gfet eaten by bugs and wild animals?
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14:48<StupidQuestion>if nobody wants to answer that one then how about something for a system scan so I can see what model/make of hardware I have in my machine?
14:48<musca>!tell StupidQuestion about wlan
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14:54<noflash>StupidQuestion, debian.org/doc look at the installation manual and the reference
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14:55<pedroc>dr|z3d: thx
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15:03<maxxx>hi
15:03<maxxx>where can i get some help on windows?
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15:06<dbvoliooo>hlp
15:07<dbvoliooo>could i install debian on hp proliant ml 350 g3???
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15:13<amitz>be more specific
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15:15<StupidQuestion>do I need to reboot for gstreamer to start working? i have read a load of crap that hasnt helped and came up with nothing.
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15:16<jorgiito>tonto
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15:19<amitz>there is a few conditions to met to guarantee that rebooting is unnecessary. It will take more work for you to assess. Just reboot.
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15:20<StupidQuestion>...ok and thanks :)
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15:27<kuntmold>still no sound. what am I supposed to do here?
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15:27<dr|z3d>kuntmold: try alsamixer.
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15:29<kuntmold>i suppose i will need another program for dual monitors, graphics card and USB ports?
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15:30<dr|z3d>kuntmold: try grandr
15:31<kuntmold>maybe Realtek alc888 HDA ATI SB info would help?
15:31<dr|z3d>You really should change your nick properly in your client.
15:31<dr|z3d>It is mightily offensive.
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15:32<Nobody2>better? I will get to changing my username once the OS is setup. Is this supposed to be easier than when M$ used drivers?
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15:38<inspiron>hey guys I have trouble compiling gutenprint everything compiles alright but I don't think the system sees the new package
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15:39<inspiron>it so happens that gutenprint 5.2.5 doesn't work for me so I need the 5.2.4 version
15:39<jordanm>inspiron: did you compile the debian source package or upstream sources?
15:40<inspiron>upstream - I got it from sourceforge
15:40<jordanm>inspiron: then upstream should support it
15:40<inspiron>I think i really ought to file a bug report
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15:41<inspiron>Well I don't think it does. I do make + make install and log out and back in and there is no change to the number of printer drivers I see and there should be.
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15:42<surf>hi in the kernel config there's Support for SATA (Deprecated. Conflicts with libata drivers). What shall I include as built in to get things to work?
15:42<inspiron>Does Debian offer previous versions of packages? I would really like to find the 5.2.4 version which worked
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15:45<surf>any idea?
15:45<Nobody2>where do I go in Debian to add repositories?
15:45<Nobody2>how do i..
15:46<r0nin>/etc/apt/sources.list
15:46<r0nin>if your asking for when using the command line
15:46<inspiron>any help for gutenprint?
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15:47<jordanm>surf: you mean so that you can use a custom-compiled kernel without an initrd?
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15:47<surf>jordanm, yeah I'm trying to compile. But how do i set support for sata as built-in?
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15:48<Nobody2>I need to add repositories into Debian to gain wifi drivers (i think according to this website im on). I am using a GUI but I have terminal open but its nothing like DOS so thats no help
15:48<jordanm>surf: why are you doing this?
15:48<jordanm>Nobody2: what card do you have? what guide are you looking at? what does it tell you to add?
15:49<surf>I have a bug so the only way to fix it is to upgrade manually the kernel...
15:49<jordanm>surf: install the kernel from lenny-backports
15:49<jordanm>surf: what bug?
15:49<jordanm>,kernels
15:49<judd>Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.33-2-686 (2.6.33-1~experimental.5); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-12); squeeze: 2.6.32-3-686 (2.6.32-9); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.4-686 (2.6.32-11~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-21lenny4); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2)
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15:49<Nobody2>jordanm athros en.kioskea.net/faq/2509-wifi-atheros-card-on-linux
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15:50<surf>jordanm, how do I install the 2.6.33?
15:50<jordanm>surf: if you don't know what your doing, you should just build using --initrd
15:50<jordanm>surf: .33, you can't ATM. what bug are we talking about that was fixed in .33? ext4 unmount sync bug?
15:51<surf>jordanm, a udevd --daemon problem
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15:51<surf>jordanm, they say it's fixed in 33
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15:51<Nobody2>im going to get fired for having no wifi. wth was I thinking installing linux?
15:51<jordanm>surf: who is "they"? is this bug reported in debian?
15:51<surf>ya
15:52<jordanm>Nobody2: I am a linux admin looking for work... (send them my way)
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15:52<r0nin>haha
15:53<jordanm>Nobody2: what is the pciid for your card? lspci -nn
15:54<jordanm>surf: well, M = module, * = built-in. You need to build in more than just sata support, but also the support for your specific controller and filesystem. again, I recommend just using --initrd
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15:54<jordanm>(which will mean you can use a default debian config)
15:54<Nobody2>jordanm I dont even know what pciid is... let me figure it out
15:54<surf>yep I knew that. But it says the sata support is deprecated
15:55<jordanm>Nobody2: I just told you the command to run, lspci -nn. I initially asked you three questions, and got an answer to one
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15:56<Nobody2>all so sorry for that I am very new to linux/debian so easy on me, I build bridges and nothing more in life
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15:57<Nobody2>when I type that into terminal it lists too much and would flood channel. what in this list do you need to know?
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15:57<jordanm>Nobody2: just the line that is for your wireless device. if you can not determine which one that is, you can pastebin the entire output
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15:58<jordanm>!paste
15:58<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>.
15:58<aiux>Nobody2, you ex PresClinton ?
15:58<Nobody2>yes I am :) arent you happy to see me
15:58<aiux>sure , wb
15:58<schnozzle>hi people, i am having an issue installing from netinstall onto an ibm intellistation
15:59<Nobody2>thanks...i barely got back online. this OS is strange. I want to go back to dos
15:59<schnozzle>when i get to partition formatting reaches 33% on a blast then stalls there
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15:59<Nobody2>mine delayed at 33% too :) but I let it sit there and it moved on
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16:00<schnozzle>are you serious?
16:00<Nobody2>yes
16:00<aiux>Nobody2, PresClinto is a nice nick , why not keeping it ?
16:00<Nobody2>i installed debian 3 times today and it stalled on 33% each time
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16:00<Nobody2>wth cant I paste to IRC anymore?
16:01<jordanm>Nobody2: most channels do not allowing floods of more than two lines. please use a pastebin service such as debian.paste.net
16:01<r0nin>cause its a bad thing to do
16:01<schnozzle>about how much time?
16:01<jordanm>schnozzle: hit ctrl+f2-4 for additional debugging info
16:01<Nobody2>Network controller 0280 Atheros Comm Inc device 168c:002a rev 01
16:01<jordanm>sorry, alt+f#
16:02<Nobody2>that wasnt more than a line or two. it wont even let me paste one letter... nevermind that I will work on the larger issues
16:02<schnozzle>ctrl alt or just alt
16:02<Nobody2>time=about 5 mins
16:02<jordanm>,pccid 168c:002a
16:02<jordanm>,pciid 168c:002a
16:02<judd>[168c:002a] is 'AR928X Wireless Network Adapter (PCI-Express)' from 'Atheros Communications Inc.' with no known kernel module in lenny but has kernel module 'ath9k' in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=168c:002a http://wiki.debian.org/ath9k
16:02<Nobody2>I think it was just downloading a larger file at that time
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16:02<jordanm>!tell Nobody2 about bpo
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16:02<surf>jordanm, so to enable initdr what shall I add in the kernel?
16:03<jordanm>Nobody2: you need to install linux-image-<your arch> (e.g. 686) from lenny-backports
16:03<jordanm>surf: use oldconfig if you plan to use an initrd. did you read the kernel-package docs?
16:03<r0nin>is it possable to direct an output to two locations?
16:04<surf>yep but oldconfig is too heavy. I mean it has too many things I don't want
16:04<Nobody2>anybody want to PM mjeez people none of that tells me anything. anybody want to give me a PM and explain it? I will send paypal cash!hat jordanm just said?e with step by step instructions for morons like me explaining w
16:04<Nobody2>great delayed paste
16:04<jordanm>surf: one thing at a time. fix your current problem _then_ worry about trimming config options
16:05<Nobody2>great now its pasting while im typing. this is annoying
16:05<surf>ok so to tell the truth I did it yesterday and it didn't finish because it ran out of memory (on / ). So today I wanted to compile in /home and then copy back the directory. Is it possible right? Where shall I copy the final compiled kernel?
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16:07<Nobody2>Jordanm I love that you know what youre saying but I have been using linux for maybe 2 hours and I have no idea how to do what you suggested
16:07<jordanm>Nobody2: echo 'deb http://www.backports.org/debian lenny-backports main' >> /etc/apt/sources.list; aptitude update; aptitude install lenny-backports-keyring; aptitude update; aptitude -t lenny-backports install linux-image-686
16:07<jordanm>Nobody2: that one-liner should take care of you
16:07<jordanm>(assuming 32bit)
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16:08<Nobody2>??? wtf am I supposed to do with it? no im using amd64 debian linux
16:08<jordanm>Nobody2: echo 'deb http://www.backports.org/debian lenny-backports main' >> /etc/apt/sources.list; aptitude update; aptitude install debian-backports-keyring; aptitude update; aptitude -t lenny-backports install linux-image-amd64
16:08<Nobody2>ok I type this into terminal?
16:08<jordanm>yes
16:08<aiux>as root
16:09<Nobody2>is kuntmold@debian my root (kuntmold is my username)
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16:10<surf>jordanm, so can I do it?
16:10<Nobody2>i have two terminals one is kuntmold@debian:~$ and the other terminal is debian:/home/kuntmold#
16:10<ml|>surf: did you read what was suggested yerterday?
16:10<notrev>Nobody2, use the one with the #
16:10<Nobody2>thank you!
16:10<jordanm>surf: you can compile wherever you want. if you are doing it the debian way, the result will be a .deb to install with dpkg. if you are not doing it the debian way, its not supported here
16:11<surf>ok perfect
16:11<notrev>Nobody2, that character tells you that you are logged in as root (super user)
16:11<Nobody2>amazing it did a lot 0 packages upgraded 1 installed 2 to remove?!? 0 not upgraded... is this normal?
16:12<Nobody2>so # is root?
16:12<Nobody2>like C:\ back in my puter nerd days?
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16:12<ml|>dpkg: tell Nobody2 about reference
16:13<Nobody2>:|
16:13<ml|>Nobody2: read that when you can ^
16:13<notrev>Nobody2, yep, that command will add a repository to your repository list, update your packages list and install the linux-image-amd64 package
16:13<ebbex>hi all, I just dist-upgraded from lenny to squeeze on a ia64, and now the system tries to mount my root lvm volume before the disk (/dev/sda) is detected and initialized.
16:13<Nobody2>thanks for the manual :(
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16:14<r0nin>Nobody2, your gonna have to do a tiny bit of reading no matter what
16:14<ebbex>after a while i get dumped to initramfs, from here i can run "lvm pvscan" and "lvm vgchange -a y" and activate the lvm volumes... but where do i go from there?
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16:16<camille>hii
16:16<ebbex>is there a way to continue the boot process?
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16:16<camille>boot process? whats that?
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16:19<HouseKatZe>lol
16:19<Nobody2>any downloadable/printable version of deb.org/support?
16:19<locklace>!slap HouseKatZe
16:19*dpkg strikes a resounding *THWAP* across HouseKatZe's face
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16:20<HouseKatZe>m
16:20<aiux>ebbex, add rootdelay=xx to kernel command line , usually rootdelay=10
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16:21<Nobody2>I still dont have wifi listed in devices/network tools/devices
16:21<ebbex>hmm, i'll check if i can modify it. It's an ia64 so it uses elilo.
16:22<Nobody2>nor in network settings under connections tab.... am I too stupid for this?
16:22<jordanm>Nobody2: assuming that command did not fail, you need to reboot
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16:23<Nobody2>yay ok.
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16:23<Nobody2>it didnt fail btw as far as I can tell but i wouldnt know the difference
16:23<gui>hello all
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16:24<gui>anybody with GeForce GT 210 (from HP) working with Debian Sid ?
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16:26<jordanm>!anybody
16:26<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
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16:28<maxi>greetings everyone
16:29<maxi>on virtual machine how can i see usb connected to the machine?
16:29<ebbex>aiux: when i dist-upgraded to squeeze it mentioned something about new init system, could the fault lie there somewhere?
16:30<gui>jordanm: my real question is: does this card supported with nouveau on Debian
16:30<murble>maxi: you need to use some kind of passthrough thing, but it may be better to ask on a channel specific to the Virtual machine software you use.
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16:30<aiux>ebbex, i dunno
16:30<maxi>can u help me with finding the channel, as i am still newbie
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16:34<jordanm>gui: I have seen very little talk of nouveu in debian
16:34<PresClinton>jordanm do you get PMs?
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16:35<ml|>PresClinton: read the topic
16:36<PresClinton>so we cannot msg people... amazing
16:36<gui>jordanm: i'll have to test to be sure
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16:37<PresClinton>ml| Jordanm sent me something to install my wifi device but I still cannot see it or use it. I understand people here want me to research things and figure them out on my own but during my installation of debian vista got killed and I can no longer use wifi to work.
16:37<Dreakon>Hey guys, I noticed VLC can go up to 400% volume, but whenever I put it that high it never saves it so it goes back to 200%. Is there any way to make it save?
16:38<PresClinton>I will research everything else including my sound/video and all my other issues but I need wifi to work in order not to get fired.
16:38<aiux>PresClinton, lsmod | grep ath9k , says
16:38<aiux>uname -r . says ?
16:39<ml|>PresClinton: unless you have permission from the person; but best to ask here as you will get more help that way
16:39<PresClinton>i dont know what youre saying aiux
16:39<aiux>do my command in terminal
16:39<PresClinton>i have asked here and it still doesnt work. im just desperate at this point
16:40<dondelelcaro>PresClinton: he's asking you for the additional information that we need in order to help you
16:40<PresClinton>2.6.26-2amd64
16:40<dondelelcaro>PresClinton: we need to know 1) what kernel you're running 2) what wireless card this is 3) what version of Debian you are running 4) what steps you've done to troubleshoot it
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16:41<dondelelcaro>PresClinton: you also should read and follow the instructions in /msg dpkg wifi; if you haven't already
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16:41<PresClinton>dondelelcaro I think Jordanm installed a driver or something, ive read page after page of crap that doesnt help me, installed anything listed under wifi in the add/remove programs and nothing works
16:41<PresClinton>(also rebooted)
16:41<aiux>Nobody2, you installed the kernel from lenny-backport ? so reboot in 2.6.32-blabla, choose it from grub menu at (re)boot
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16:42<dondelelcaro>PresClinton: that may be, but we still don't even know what wireless card you're talking about
16:42<PresClinton>reboot and choose the second option?
16:42<aiux>yes
16:42<PresClinton>atheros
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16:42<dondelelcaro>PresClinton: which atheros card?
16:42<PresClinton>I dont know. its not listed in device manager (downloaded that one too)
16:43<PresClinton>whats the command to see the devices in terminal?
16:43<dondelelcaro>PresClinton: what does hwinfo --wlan; or lspci; output for it?
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16:44<PresClinton>06:00.0 Network controller: Atheros Communications Inc. Device 002a (rev 01)
16:44<PresClinton>is that what youre asking for?
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16:45<aiux>, pciid 168c:002a
16:45<judd>[168c:002a] is 'AR928X Wireless Network Adapter (PCI-Express)' from 'Atheros Communications Inc.' with no known kernel module in lenny but has kernel module 'ath9k' in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=168c:002a http://wiki.debian.org/ath9k
16:45<jordanm>PresClinton: it sounds like something went wrong with installing or booting the new kernel from backports
16:46<PresClinton>I havent done what aiux told me to do yet.. brb
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16:46<jordanm>PresClinton: you need to present any errors that occur here in chat, or we will assume it was sucessful
16:46<Athunye>Is there a way to know if a cpu is 64 or 32 bits by cat /proc/cpuinfo ?
16:46<dondelelcaro>Athunye: yes
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16:47<Athunye>dondelelcaro: I can't understand all that output. What should I look for ?
16:47<Dreakon>Hey guys, I'm trying to set the default volume in VLC to a value higher than 200%, but whenever I quit VLC it changes it back to 200. Any ideas?
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16:47<jordanm>Athunye: look for the "lm" flag
16:48<Athunye>Thank you guys a lot. Awesome.
16:49<Athunye>jordanm: Hmm. That _lm_ 'lost' in the middle of all those "flags" line ?
16:50-!-mode/#debian [+l 426] by debhelper
16:50<dondelelcaro>Athunye: yes
16:50<dondelelcaro>Athunye: most of the capabilities of the CPU are present in that line
16:50*aiux has any _lm_ 'lost' in "flags" ;-(
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16:51<Athunye>dondelelcaro: Okay. I am only too dummy to understand all those things.
16:51<Athunye>What does lm stands for ?
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16:52<dondelelcaro>Athunye: long mode
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16:52<PresClinton>when I boot up it lists two options what im on now and single user which has no GUI
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16:52<PresClinton>the backdoor or w/e was suggested was not in the list. could this be the problem?
16:53<Athunye>Thank you guys a lot. You are amazing.
16:54<PresClinton>where would my wifi device be listed/configured within the GUI of Debian? maybe I am overlooking it?
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16:55<aiux>May 17 22:07<jordanm> Nobody2: echo 'deb http://www.backports.org/debian lenny-backports main' >> /etc/apt/sources.list; aptitude update; aptitude install debian-backports-keyring; aptitude update; aptitude -t lenny-backports install linux-image-amd64
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16:55<PresClinton>isnt that what I already did?
16:55<dondelelcaro>PresClinton: that means that you either didn't install the kernel, or the install failed
16:55<dondelelcaro>PresClinton: what does dpkg -l linxu-image-2.6.32-*; output?
16:56<dondelelcaro>s/xu/ux/
16:57<PresClinton>hold on doing the Jordanm suggestion once again
16:57<PresClinton>then I will do the dpkg one
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16:57<sjlopezb>Hi
16:57<PresClinton>3min d/l
16:57<dondelelcaro>if it's downloading, you didn't actually install it...
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16:58<PresClinton>i copied it, ran it in root term and said yes to all ?'s asked
16:59<PresClinton>once this is finished I should reboot and look for the backport option in the boot menu, yes?
16:59<jhutchins_lt>PresClinton: You can check the install a couple of ways without rebooting.
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17:00<sjlopezb>PresClinton: Install kernel?
17:00<ebbex>aiux: I figured a way to change the parameter and it worked! Thanks!
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17:00<PresClinton>its downloading linux img
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17:00<sjlopezb>PresClinton: yes, installed kernel is rebooting
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17:01<aiux>ebbex, np
17:01<sjlopezb>You must make the appropriate reset
17:01<PresClinton>ok now it says I may require tg3: tigon/tg3_tso5.bin, tigon/tg3_tso.bin, tigon/tg3.bin
17:01<aiux>ignore it
17:02<PresClinton>ok
17:02<sjlopezb>aiux: ?
17:02<PresClinton>ok its finished doing w/e it was doing. now what?
17:02<aiux>PresClinton, choose the second kernel: 2.6.32-blabla , if any ;)
17:02<aiux>on reboot
17:03<PresClinton>ok rebooting now
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17:03<sjlopezb>reboot
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17:03<sjlopezb>Ciao
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17:06<vamitrou>hi people i need some help from you
17:06<graytron>how may i be of assistance?
17:06<ohwow>Hello, on the wiki I read about alsaconf and it says that I have to install alsa-utils for that
17:06<ohwow>i did, but i still have no alsaconf
17:06<ohwow>http://paste.debian.net/73668/
17:07<aiux>!alsaconf
17:07<dpkg>alsaconf is a formerly included <ALSA> configuration tool to detect sound cards. Removed from the alsa-utils package at 1.0.17-1: "The only valid use-case for alsaconf is aiding the configuration of ISA sound cards." Ask me about <install alsa> and <alsa checklist>. See also http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/pkg-alsa/trunk/alsa-utils/debian/NEWS
17:07<ohwow>o sorry
17:07<ohwow>never mind
17:07<vamitrou>a have a board with an ARM processor and there is a NFC rfid reader connected to it. Sometimes it stucks. Is there a way to restart the usb daemon? i am running debian linux. Any help is appreciated
17:07<ohwow>!install alsa
17:07<dpkg>"aptitude install alsa-base alsa-utils". After it's installed, run alsamixer and unmute the volume levels. Some applications don't know how to talk directly to ALSA, see <devdsp>. You may also need to install libesd-alsa0 if you're using ESD-based applications. Some ALSA drivers require firmware from userspace, ask me about <alsa firmware>.
17:07<ohwow>uhh
17:07<vamitrou>i search on the internet but i didn't find any working solution
17:07<ohwow>!devdsp
17:07<dpkg>[devdsp] if you are using <ALSA> and you get an error about /dev/dsp missing, you need to provide the OSS compatibility layer. Run "modprobe snd-pcm-oss" and add snd-pcm-oss to /etc/modules . A proposed release goal is for packaged applications to stop using /dev/dsp: http://wiki.debian.org/ReleaseGoals/NoLinuxDevDsp
17:08<aiux>vamitrou, try #debian-arm
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17:08<vamitrou>thank you aiux
17:08<aiux>np
17:08<aiux>ohwow, /msg dpkg selftell
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17:09<ohwow>aiux: sorry
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17:09<ohwow>So, what might be the problem here: "Failed to initialize audio driver 'pulse'" <-- that's mplayer
17:10<PresClinton>ok wonderful people of Debian I have restarted. Where can I see if I have Wifi abilities within Debian?
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17:10<aiux>PresClinton, uname -r , says ?
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17:10<aiux>lsmod | grep ath9k , says
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17:10<ohwow>iwconfig?
17:10<ohwow>aiux: he quit :(
17:11<aiux>he was on wifi ...
17:11<ohwow>heh
17:11<ohwow>wifi...
17:11<ohwow>Why mplayer tells me about 'pulse' when I have alsa anyway?
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17:14<PresClinton>it went into a non GUI and asked me for my username or something
17:14<PresClinton>anyway how can I tell if I have wifi or not within Debian?
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17:14<ohwow>PresClinton: iwconfig
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17:15<PresClinton>wifi is listed but not configured. at least I am this far
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17:16<PresClinton>under network setting the configuration is suggesting its not connected to a wifi router etc yes? or is the wifi device not configured for the system?
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17:18<aiux>lsmod | grep ath9k , says
17:19<PresClinton>249248 0
17:19<PresClinton>is that what youre asking?
17:19<PresClinton>aiux cant you connect remotely and fix me up right quick?
17:20<aiux>no ath9k mention_ed ?
17:20<aiux>no
17:20<PresClinton>ath9k is listed
17:21<aiux>ok, good
17:21<PresClinton>to the right of that it has the numbers 249248
17:21<aiux>so wlan0 need to be configured
17:21<PresClinton>where can I find the networks my wireless card can see?
17:21<PresClinton>ok how do I configure that?
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17:25<aiux>http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi
17:25<Metrahla>how does the ov511 driver is installed? its not on synaptics .. :S
17:25<PresClinton>Do I have to wait for one I am in range of to configure it because under network settings it wont allow me to enable it unless I have a network name/password
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17:26<aiux>Metrahla, ov51x-jpeg-source - Source for the ov51x-jpeg driver
17:27<PresClinton>aiux no ideas on that one?
17:27<aiux>no
17:29<PresClinton>I just need to figure out how to get M$ back on here. I dont want to but this is just too far fetched for me at this point seeing how I need this for work
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17:37<PresClinton>anybody have a site where I can dual boot debian and vista64. the ones I find are suggesting I resize my partition and its greyed out (wont let me click it)
17:37<abrotman>dual boot and resize are different things
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17:39<PresClinton>abrotman ok can you suggest a website the can explain how to dual boot vista and debian?
17:39<PresClinton>*that
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17:40<abrotman>PresClinton: there really isn't much to it .. you install windows first, install debian, either 1) figure out grub1 or 2) install grub2/os-prober 3) live happily ?
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17:41<PresClinton>when I try to install windows vista it doesnt let me because vista doesnt allow partitions/clones on the HDD before installation of vista
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17:42<abrotman>so install vista, and use the gparted liveCD to then resize, then install debian ?
17:42<ODDity>PresClinton, you install vista first and let it have a smallish partition, and leave the rest for parititioning later with linux
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17:42<PresClinton>again... I cannot install vista on a machine that has a partition installed. vista installation hangs up with error msg: cannot find drive letter
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17:43<locsmif>Hi all. Why does upgrading Icedove still remove Enigmail?
17:43<abrotman>PresClinton: so don't .. install vista however it wants .. then resize the vista partition .. then install debian
17:43<PresClinton>arbrotman vista will not let me install on a drive that has a partition
17:43<PresClinton>im screwed and no sites are explaining how to install over debian
17:44<PresClinton>XP would install but not vista
17:44<PresClinton>when I try booting with debian CD it wont allow me to install without a partition
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17:46<PresClinton>this all is making me very angry at this point. im 3K miles away from my work and I need to have wifi on the job site or everything fails. I was lied to about Debian and how easy it was to get wifi and drivers from this channel and now I cannot go back to Vista. My job is at stake.
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17:47<ODDity>PresClinton, you shouldn't have attempted something new with a production machine
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17:48<PresClinton>I know what I shouldnt have done
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17:49<PresClinton>but that cannot be changed. this is the issue at hand :)
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17:49<themill>!dbugs 562714
17:49<dpkg>#562714:G[enigmail] enigmail: Enigmail does not work with icedove 3.0 (); Sun, 27 Dec 2009 10:45:01 UTC []
17:49<themill>locsmif: ^^ Also, /msg dpkg btssmite me
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17:49<bja>!beer themill
17:49*dpkg deftly decants a fine Stone Arrogant Bastard for themill
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17:51<jhutchins_lt>PresClinton: So, I haven't been following the whole saga, but what are you after?
17:52<jhutchins_lt>PresClinton: It looks like you want a dual-boot system with vista and debian.
17:53<jhutchins_lt>PresClinton: You delete all partitions (easiest to do with a live/rescue CD), install Vista to the unpartitioned drive, use something like gparted to create a partition for debian (iirc the installer can actually do that), and install debian.
17:53<jhutchins_lt>PresClinton: Wifi drivers are pretty easy to deal with these days, but as most of the manufacturers don't provide linux drivers or information on the hardware for regulatory (FCC) reasons, it can be tricky.
17:54<PresClinton>where do I get a live rescue CD?
17:54<jhutchins_lt>PresClinton: Vista sucks. Vista wants to make it hard for you to run anythning not approved by microsoft. This is not Debian's fault.
17:54<PresClinton>do you think debian will even allow me to burn anything without hours of setting up drivers for my burner?
17:54<PresClinton>I understand its not debians fault
17:55<jhutchins_lt>PresClinton: No guarantees, but I haven't seen a problem with CD burning in ages. You can sometimes even do it from a live CD.
17:55<bja>PresClinton: if your machine does not have drm it will not pose a problem
17:55<Duber>PresClinton maybe that error of not finding drive letter might be because you installed linux onto the hdd without create any partition at all ?
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17:55<PresClinton>I dont know what DRM is
17:55<Duber>just formating the whole hdd to ext3-4 ?
17:55<bja>PresClinton: then ignore my comment
17:55<jhutchins_lt>PresClinton: http://www.livecdlist.com/
17:55<Duber>I once did something like that and windows wouldn't recognize any partition on it
17:56<jhutchins_lt>PresClinton: As far as partitioning during install goes, I believe the "advanced" install is more flexible.
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17:56<jhutchins_lt>!tell PresClinton about debian live
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17:57<jhutchins_lt>PresClinton: As more people get experience with dual-booting Vista, the documentation will improve. You are encouraged to contribute.
17:58<jhutchins_lt>PresClinton: A lot of us, though, won't ever encounter Vista. I haven't owned a copy of Windows since W95.
17:58<PresClinton>so I have to reinstall debian, create a partition while installing for vista??
17:58<PresClinton>I have no choice, I wanted to get away from it but I cannot get wifi to work so debian is not an option for me
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17:59<Duber>if you are to reinstall, installing windows first would be easier
17:59<PresClinton>I can NOT install vista on a partitioned drive. I will not let me do so
18:00<Duber>yep, but you can format that drive first, install later
18:00<jhutchins_lt>PresClinton: So delete the partitions.
18:00<Duber>from linux installer if windows one doesn't let you
18:00<PresClinton>how? when I load from the install CD of debian it makes me create a partition
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18:00<jhutchins_lt>PresClinton: Install windows first.
18:00<jhutchins_lt>Let it do what it wants with the drive.
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18:00<PresClinton>I can !NOT! install windows!!!
18:01<jhutchins_lt>PresClinton: Why not?
18:01<PresClinton>when I try to install it says it cannot find a drive letter for the HDD
18:01<Duber>afaik debian installer allows you to delete current partitions, if you create 2 partitions, one for linux and other for windows
18:01<PresClinton>when I try to reinstall debian with no partitions it still created one for swap or something
18:01<jhutchins_lt>Did you install debian?
18:01<Duber>vista installer should recognize it this time
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18:02<jhutchins_lt>PresClinton: All OS installations have partitions, with the exception of some live USB installs.
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18:02<PresClinton>how are they going to know how to remove grub from the boot sect of the computer and add M$'s?
18:02<jhutchins_lt>PresClinton: Vista will just overwite it.
18:02<themill>the windows installer will do that without asking
18:03<Duber>in fact the problem will be to get grub back after installing windows
18:03<Duber>^^;
18:03<jhutchins_lt>themill: As I understand it, his copy of Vista doesn't like the partitioned drive, so he needs to delete the Debian partitions.
18:03<PresClinton>when I try to install windows VISTA it wont allow it to be installed because of the partition
18:03<PresClinton>if you guys just google the vista issue with linux you will understand what im saying and find it to be true
18:03<jhutchins_lt>PresClinton: Right, so delete the partitions, reinstall vista, then go from there.
18:03<themill>weirdest windows installer I've ever heard of
18:03<Duber>ok PresClinton but you can detele or format your drive before start windows installer
18:03<PresClinton>how do I delete the partitions??
18:03<bja>PresClinton: Lets begin by asnwering two question do you have phisical access to the machine? Do you have a way of running a live CD?
18:04<Duber>from a livecd you can do it PresClinton
18:04<jhutchins_lt>themill: MS allows distributors to create custom installers that sometimes have wierd requirements to lock them to hardware.
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18:04<PresClinton>I have a way of burning a CD if debian can see that I have a burner.. it doesnt even have the sound drivers
18:04<themill>jhutchins_lt: yeah. Yet another reason not to touch it.
18:04<bja>PresClinton: please, do you have phisical access to the machine or someone that can help you gain physical access
18:04<bja>?
18:05<PresClinton>Yes Im on the machine right now
18:05<jhutchins_lt>PresClinton: burner drivers are pretty easy. Sound's a touchy issue. You can work through it, but since it's not essential don't sweat it at this point.
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18:05<jhutchins_lt>PresClinton: Are you using gnome or kde?
18:05<PresClinton>gnome I think
18:05<jhutchins_lt>OK, there should be a CD burning app in the menu.
18:06<PresClinton>under what? i see no burning ap
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18:07<jhutchins_lt>gnome baker or brassero
18:07<PresClinton>I can download gnome backer
18:07<bja>PresClinton: easiest way i can manage. Boot a livecd from ubuntu, use gparted to make one single partition. Then shutdown the machine. Boot from a Vista install cd and you should be able to boot. (According to the information you have given us)
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18:07<jhutchins_lt>bja: We're trying to get a CD burning app for him, is there a default under debian gnome?
18:08<jhutchins_lt>bja: This will allow him to create a live CD.
18:08<jhutchins_lt>PresClinton: I stay away from gnome, sorry.
18:09<PresClinton>im downloading the burner
18:09<PresClinton>dont use gnomebaker??
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18:10<riisen>gnomebaker works
18:10<jhutchins_lt>PresClinton: I'm just looking for whatever is installed by default, might be brassero.
18:10<riisen>in gnome baker is built in
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18:10<aiux>brasero
18:10<aiux>ops..
18:11<jhutchins_lt>Where does he find it in the menu?
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18:11*bja switches to gnome to look for something
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18:11<jhutchins_lt>PresClinton: Actually ... if you download the iso file and double click it, it should launch a burner.
18:11<PresClinton>ok downloaded and running... brb 3 mins....please dont leave I need the help
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18:13<themill>Quick! Everybody hide!
18:13<bja>BTW is there a way to stop gnome resetting the brightness level of the screen?
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18:15<PresClinton>I have to talk to my boss about my job.... sorry will try to be back later if they keep my net access
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18:15<jhutchins_lt>bja: xrandrtray?
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18:16<jhutchins_lt>Sigh.
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18:17<bja>jhutchins_lt: i am unable to find xrandrtray
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18:20<jhutchins_lt>bja: gnome-randr-applet
18:21<bja>jhutchins_lt: thx anyway i ditched gnome partly because of it reseting the brightness every minute or so
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18:21<bja>I'll take note but i am in no rush to go back :)
18:21<jhutchins_lt>krandrtray on 3.5
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18:23<jhutchins_lt>If PresClinton shows up again someone might show him http://apcmag.com/how_to_dualboot_vista_with_linux_linux_is_already_installed.htm?page=4
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18:23<jhutchins_lt>Dunno if he has a special installer that doesn't have the custom install option, but I'll bet he just didn't know about it.
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18:25<bja>jhutchins_lt: Would you ever go on a task and not have a failsafe option, if things break appart?
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18:32<jhutchins_lt>bja: Theoretically? No. Practically, yeah, it happens.
18:33<jhutchins_lt>bja: If it were some sort of mission-critical thing I hadn't tried before, I'd have backups and a plan.
18:33<jhutchins_lt>bja: Then again, I would probably have looked for some online docs to answer the question "what could possibly go wrong" if it were something I wasn't familiar with.
18:34<jhutchins_lt>It looks like there are several things that can go wrong with a debian/vista dual boot; they are all addressable and they are easy to find with google.
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18:34<jhutchins_lt>Where I'd get in trouble would be if it were something familiar, so I figured I'd just knock it off quickly, but ran into a "gotcha".
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18:38<bja>jhutchins_lt: Most fatal accidents are within 5 miles of the final destiny. Overconfidence
18:38<jhutchins_lt>Experience is proportional to data destroyed.
18:39<jhutchins_lt>Our local cable ISP botch an upgrade to their MS Exchange cluster and mail was down for more than two weeks.
18:39<jhutchins_lt>botched.
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18:46<ComradeHaz`>Evening all. Can anyone explain why running aptitude full-upgrade makes no mention of any dependancy issues, while using aptitude's 'graphical' interface does moan about some?
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18:55<jhutchins_lt>ComradeHaz`: Could be they have different defaults for recommends/suggests.
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18:57<ComradeHaz`>Oh, really? Any idea where that's configured?
18:57<abrotman>i can't imagine that
18:57<abrotman>ComradeHaz`: aptitude -f install ?
18:58<ComradeHaz`>Ahh, comes up with the same isses.
18:58<ComradeHaz`>What's going on there then?
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19:00<ComradeHaz`>I know what -f does - but why's it not even reporting a broken package?.
19:00<ComradeHaz`>(normall, I mean)
19:00<ComradeHaz`>*normally
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19:07<locsmif>themill: thanks a mil :)
19:07<themill>np
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19:33<malnek>I've done a stupid typo. Deleted the contents of my home dir (noting important as folders are intact). I want the . and .. back tho, and the other .files that i cant remeber the name on
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19:34<bja>ls -la to see if they are still around
19:34<malnek>how do i go about making them again? if you got a link to some guide i would be most pleased
19:35<malnek>^^ im the worst nub ever :P
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19:36<malnek>but just because i want to know
19:37<malnek>is it possible to make them yourself?
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19:38<retrospectacus>malnek: . and .. have to be there. If not close your terminal and reopen and try ls -a again... what else do you need to "re-create"?
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19:39<riisen>malnek, i guess you can remove the user and add him again :P .. then most of the files should come back as its original form
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19:42<emss>malnek if you are using an ext{2,3,4} filesystem you can try extundelete
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19:50<malnek>retrospectacus: might it be that they come back once you leave directory? since im possibly sure that i might have tried a cd .. without that working
19:50<malnek>right after that command
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19:50<malnek>emss: thanks for the tip, the stuff i lost was not important, have that stuff in folders
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19:55<retrospectacus>malnek: yes if the $PWD is remove your terminal will lose track of where it is and you won't be able to cd to any relative path. Restarting the term will fix it
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19:56<retrospectacus>I may not be understanding the situation exactly, I have been drinking :)
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20:02<malnek>retrospectacus: you nailed it :) thanks
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20:14<GhostlyDeath>Hello, I have setup bind and all that. However, if I don't try to get the address of a subdomain on my server fails
20:14<GhostlyDeath>as in, debian.org would fail, however blahblah.debian.org would succeed
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20:17<GhostlyDeath>Actually, I was missing @ in the A section, but had *
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20:46<boboysdadda>how do i upgrade kde?
20:47<dondelelcaro>boboysdadda: aptitude update; aptitude upgrade.
20:47<GhostlyDeath>apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
20:47<boboysdadda>k thanks
20:47<GhostlyDeath>provided there is an update for KDE available
20:48<boboysdadda>debian 5.0 comes with 3.5 right?
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20:50<boboysdadda>hmmm no upgrade available
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20:52<boboysdadda>if kde 4.4.3 isn't available in repositories does that mean i have to do it from source?
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20:55<emss>boboysdadda it's in unstable
20:56<boboysdadda>oh its not working well in debian yet?
20:56<chealer>boboysdadda: yes. see http://wiki.debian.org/KDE
20:56<emss>working fine for me, but I'm using unstable
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20:59<abrotman>boboysdadda: which version of debian do you have ?
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21:00<boboysdadda>5.0
21:00<boboysdadda>lenny
21:00<edbian>Can I have a static ip address even though I'm using wifi?
21:00<dondelelcaro>edbian: yes
21:01<boboysdadda>yes edbian u need to configure it like you normally would then i believe a mac address setting in the router
21:01<dondelelcaro>edbian: there's nothing particularly special about a wifi card once it is associated
21:02<edbian>boboysdadda, So I tell the router that my pc's mac address should always be given a specific IP? Does the /etc/network/interfaces file need to specify an address
21:02*Xenguy has been struggling with wireless on a debian laptop this afternoon also...
21:02<dondelelcaro>edbian: nah, you just configure it in /etc/network/interfaces
21:03<abrotman>boboysdadda: there is no kde4.3.x i n lenny
21:03<edbian>Do I need to do anything with mac address allocation?
21:03<dondelelcaro>edbian: nope.
21:03<edbian>k
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21:03<boboysdadda>ty abrotman although that really sucks
21:03<edbian>thax guys
21:04<boboysdadda>i don't want to go through another install 3rd in 3 days
21:04<abrotman>why would you have to do that?
21:04<dondelelcaro>!reinstall
21:04<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, reinstall is aptitude reinstall '~i' ; or COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > my_packages.txt , then later, dpkg --set-selections < my_packages.txt && apt-get install . See also <aptitude clone> <debian clone>
21:04<dondelelcaro>err, wrong factoid
21:06<boboysdadda>well i was originally running mepis 8.5 64bit. pissed me off so switched to i386. pissed me off. so now i'm on debian
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21:07<abrotman>oh
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21:10<boboysdadda>how do i install firefox i can't find a package in aptitude
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21:11<ml|>dpkg: iceweasel
21:11<dpkg>Iceweasel is a DFSG-free fork of Firefox, which replaces it in Debian as of Etch. It is not GNU's Firefox fork (now known as <IceCat>). Ask me about <why iceweasel> and <iceweasel user-agent>. Use gnome-default-applications-properties to change settings such as the mail reader. http://wiki.debian.org/Iceweasel
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21:13<boboysdadda>dpkg: why iceweasel
21:13<dpkg>Due to Mozilla logos licensing, Mozilla software isn't DFSG-free, so Debian distributes Mozilla software with different logos. One day Mozilla Corporation decided to revoke the agreement to let Debian use Mozilla trademarks, so Debian changed to non-trademarked product names. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Corporation_software_rebranded_in_Debian for more information. http://glandium.org/blog/?p=933. Ask me about <dfsg>.
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21:13<Xenguy>folks, I have 2 issues (at least) and it has been a trying day :-/ Issue #1. Was messing around trying to get wireless working, modified /etc/network/interfaces, then switched it back to the original 'wired' configuration, and of course, the wired networking no longer works...
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21:13<ml|>boboysdadda: /msg dpkg msg the bot
21:14<Xenguy>Issue #2 is that in the course of trying to get wireless going, I now suspect that my networking interfaces/configuration is foobar - e.g. I have an interface that shows up, only in debian, called wifi0_rename
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21:15<Xenguy>Has anyone ever seen this blah_rename interfaces issue before (I'm currently running lenny) ?
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21:19<Xenguy>As an aside, I have proof of concept for wireless on my thinkpad laptop, as I successfully used a public wifi hotspot today with 1) windows ; 2) Ubuntu Live CD (here the wireless interface is picked up as 'eth1'); but unfortunately not on Debian as there is this '_rename' issue going on (and who knows what else)
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21:21<Xenguy>Anyway, I can understand no one wanting to touch these issues with a 10-foot pole -- it really seems to be a can of worms :-/
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21:21<Xenguy>!wireless
21:21<dpkg>Support for your wireless LAN device is dependent on the chipset within. Don't know what you have? Ask me about <what's my wireless>. Atheros: <atheros>; Atmel: <atmel>; Broadcom: <b43>, <wl>; Intel: <ipw2100>, <ipw2200>, <iwlwifi>, <iwlagn>; Intersil: <prism>; Ralink: <ralink>; Realtek: <rtl-wifi>; TI: <acx100>; ZyDAS: <zydas>. See also: <wlan howto>, <wpa>, <killswitch>, <wimax>. http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi
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21:23<Xenguy>Heh, course if I can't even get the wired networking back, then there's little point in tackling wireless <sigh>
21:23<Xenguy>what a mess
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21:27<abrotman>wlan_rename ?
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21:28<Xenguy>abrotman: yes, it was that, now (since I messed with udev config) it is 'wifi0_rename'
21:28<Xenguy>(that or wlan0_rename)
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21:29<abrotman>what kind of device is it really ?
21:29<Xenguy>err, currently wifi0_rename
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21:30<Xenguy>abrotman: it is a Intersil Prism wireless card
21:30<abrotman>that's weird ..
21:30<Xenguy>abrotman: is that what you mean?
21:30<abrotman>Xenguy: lspci -nn | grep Network
21:30<Xenguy>abrotman: could my /etc/network/interfaces file be f*cking things up?
21:30<Xenguy>OK
21:31<boboysdadda>how do i check to see if i have nvidia installed properly?
21:31<Xenguy>abrotman: 02:02.0 Network controller [0280]: Intersil Corporation Prism 2.5 Wavelan chipset [1260:3873] (rev 01)
21:31<abrotman>judd: pciid 1260:3873
21:31<judd>[1260:3873] is 'Prism 2.5 Wavelan chipset' from 'Intersil Corporation' with kernel modules 'orinoco_pci', 'hostap_pci' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1260:3873 http://wiki.debian.org/orinoco http://wiki.debian.org/linux-wlan-ng http://wiki.debian.org/hostap and the out-of-tree 'prism2_pci' module.
21:31<abrotman>seems pretty straight forward?
21:32<Xenguy>abrotman: interesting...
21:32<Xenguy>abrotman: Ubuntu Live CD was using orinoco_pci, and worked; debian is using hostap_pci and doesn't work, so far...
21:33<Xenguy>abrotman: but that doesn't explain why the _rename interface shows up - any idea about what's causing that?
21:33<Xenguy>abrotman: or how to workaround?
21:34<abrotman>Xenguy: dmesg | grep rename
21:34<Xenguy>abrotman: I've tried using udev config to 'rename' the interface, but the '_rename' instance still shows up
21:35<Xenguy>3 line paste coming, /me crosses fingers...
21:35<Xenguy>[ 2945.095994] wifi0_rename: hfa384x_cmd: entry still in list? (entry=de092780, type=0, res=-1)
21:35<Xenguy>[ 2945.096001] wifi0_rename: hfa384x_cmd: interrupted; err=-110
21:35<Xenguy>[ 2945.096009] wifi0_rename: hfa384x_get_rid: CMDCODE_ACCESS failed (res=-110, rid=fd51, len=6)
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21:35<Xenguy>.oO(whew)
21:35<abrotman>just barely made it ? :)
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21:36<Xenguy>abrotman: a bunch of lines like that showed up as output
21:36<Xenguy>heh
21:36<abrotman>Xenguy: uname -r ?
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21:37<Xenguy>abrotman: 2.6.26-2-686
21:38<Xenguy>another couple lines...
21:38<abrotman>Xenguy: and iwconfig doesn't helpo at all ?
21:38<Xenguy>[ 2945.095975] wifi0_rename: hfa384x_cmd_issue: cmd reg was busy for 5000 usec
21:38<Xenguy>[ 2945.095986] wifi0_rename: hfa384x_cmd_issue - timeout - reg=0x8000
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21:40<Xenguy>abrotman: I have spot-checked 'iwconfig', and the output changes according to varying conditions; currently wifi0_rename and wlan0 seem to be 'mirrors' of each other :-/ When I ran Ubu-Live CD for example there was no sign of the _rename mirror instance
21:40-!-simula67 [~simula67@117.206.33.38] has joined #debian
21:41<Xenguy>(I have forced the name 'wlan0' for now with udev)
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21:41<abrotman>Xenguy: different kernel
21:41<Xenguy>abrotman: you think I should try a different kernel?
21:41<abrotman>there is a .32 in backports.org
21:42<Xenguy>hrm
21:42<Xenguy>abrotman: So you are suggesting that '_rename' issue is kernel/version related?
21:43<abrotman>possibly ..
21:43<abrotman>you can remove it if that's not the case
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21:44<boboysdadda>command to restart xserver anyone please?
21:44<Xenguy>boboysdadda: Ctrl-Alt-Backspace
21:44<dkr>ctl-alt-backspace
21:44<edbian>I am using swiftfox on debian lenny. Is there anyway to get links from other applications to work? I set swiftfox as my default browser in gnome but that didn't help
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21:44<Xenguy>abrotman: Would upgrading to squeeze help WRT to kernel version you think?
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21:45<dkr>edbian: you mean bookmarks?
21:45<Xenguy>abrotman: of course, harder to rollback ;-)
21:45<boboysdadda>does restart xserver just mean logout?
21:45<dkr>edbian: oh, like clicking links in your mail client
21:46<edbian>dkr, Yeah. Like this: www.google.com
21:46<edbian>dkr, If I click on it nothing happens.
21:46<dkr>edbian: the gnome setting obviously just affects the gnome apps that use it, for xchat, and several others, oyu have to configure it in the settings for that app sepcifically
21:46<edbian>dkr, If I right click and open in browser it opens swift-fox but just goes to the home page (it ignores the link)
21:46<abrotman>Xenguy: roughly the same kernel is already in backports.org
21:47<Xenguy>abrotman: I see, OK
21:47<edbian>dkr, That's annoying. Why don't i have to do that with firefox or opera?
21:47<Xenguy>abrotman: One more question...
21:47<abrotman>Scrambled .. thanks
21:48<dkr>edbian: i thought you did...
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21:48<edbian>dkr, swift-fox != firefox
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21:48<edbian>dkr, Opera just worked. Maybe that was part of the package or something?
21:48<Xenguy>abrotman: If I have a 'wired' card and also a 'wireless' card in this laptop, what would the typical interface names be? For example the 'wired' interface is pretty clearly 'eth0', but what should the 'wireless' interface be designated?
21:49<dkr>edbian: I meant I thougth you had to configure it in some apps preferences spearately from gnome prefs
21:49<abrotman>Xenguy: the wired is usually eth# .. the wifi device depends on the driver
21:49<Xenguy>abrotman: is there a way to determine the latter based on the driver?
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21:49<edbian>dkr, I don't have to with firefox. I know that for sure. Is that maybe just what developers assume you're using?
21:49<abrotman>Xenguy: not that i'm aware of
21:50-!-mode/#debian [+l 399] by debhelper
21:50<edbian>dkr, Maybe you can help me with the gui for xchat? Where is the setting for links?
21:50<Xenguy>abrotman: OK, I'll wing it -- thanks for the help/info :-)
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21:51<abrotman>Xenguy: looking through dmesg is a good way
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21:52<edbian>I don't understand the gui here? Settings- > advanced -> URL handelers. Are these bash commands?
21:52<dkr>edbian: settings...adavnced...url handlers
21:52<Xenguy>abrotman: makes sense, OK. So ultimately I should not see a '_rename' instance at all, if things are working more correctly, yes?
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21:52<dkr>edbian: system calls
21:53<abrotman>nope .. some drivers work that way .. my old laptop used eth# for the wifi, this one uses wlan#
21:53<edbian>dkr, Could you give me a url so I can test this?
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21:53<dkr>http://debian.org/
21:54<Xenguy>abrotman: I think I'm going to try configuring that different driver that the Ubu Live CD was using - seems like a logical next step
21:55<abrotman>Xenguy: except it uses a totally different kernel ...
21:55<Turbulance>can someone help me, i'm very new to Linux and I con't figure out how to connect my new Debian laptop to my wireless network
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21:55<edbian>dkr, I added a URL handler that works but if I click the link nothing happens. Any ideas?
21:55<Xenguy>abrotman: true, but 'judd' also referred to the other driver, so might be worth a try?
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21:56<edbian>dkr, I have to right click or ctrl + click
21:56<Xenguy>Turbulance: welcome, it's Wireless Night here at #debian ;-)
21:56<Turbulance>(-: good
21:56<abrotman>Xenguy: in a kernel in sid .. up to you .. bu tthat driver may not exist in your kernel at all .. try the BPO kernel
21:56<Xenguy>Turbulance: maybe ;-)
21:56<Turbulance>i can see my wireless device in network setting but can't make it do anything
21:56<dkr>edbian: http://xchat.org/faq/#q221
21:57<Xenguy>abrotman: OK, I'll start with backports then - thanks again!
21:57<edbian>dkr, Thanks
21:58<dkr> I was looking for /set gui_url_mod 0 myself, heh. forgot what it was
21:58<Xenguy>abrotman: funny thing is, this is a fairly old laptop, so it seems odd to me that it would be a kernel issue, but hey, who knows?
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21:59<edbian>dkr, Found it. Thank you. Now to fix the same problem in evolution!
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21:59<abrotman>Xenguy: might have been a rarely used quirky card
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22:00*Xenguy clearly needs sleep...
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22:00<edbian>Next problem: How can I get ctrl+v to be paste in gnome-terminal
22:00<Xenguy>edbian: Ctrl-Alt-V
22:01<Xenguy>(or did I just dream that?)
22:01<Xenguy>Shirt-Ctrl-V
22:01<Xenguy>edbian: ^^
22:02<edbian>Xenguy, What is ctrl + v reserved for?
22:02<Xenguy>edbian: too tired to remember :-)
22:02<Xenguy>edbian: I've wondered that myself tho
22:03<edbian>Xenguy, It's not in gconf-editor
22:04<edbian>Xenguy, I edited gconf-editor so for me it's ctrl + v like normal
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22:07<future>hello all
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22:15<toret>#lorea
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22:18<dr|z3d>edbian: highlight the desired text and then right click in terminal.
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22:27<home_>hola que tal
22:27<home_>alguien
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22:28<abrotman>!br
22:28<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
22:29<home_>im sorry
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22:45<opticon>what can i do to make x work over ssh
22:45<opticon>i try to start but get Fatal server error:
22:45<opticon>no screens found
22:45<opticon>guides on web seem pretty outdated
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22:46<abrotman>!sshx
22:46<dpkg>You can run X11 apps securely over an ssh connection without <xhost> nor X TCP support. Enable X11Forwarding _on the remote server_ (/etc/ssh/sshd_config) and install xauth (lenny) or xbase-clients (etch) on both the client and the server. Then "ssh -X" from the client and run X apps on the remote machine. See also <root x> and <cygwin sshx>.
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22:48<opticon>i have x11 forwarding enabled works fine for single apps
22:50<opticon>but was thinking if not to much more complicated run full blown gnome over x
22:51<boboysdadda>tar: bzip2: Cannot exec: No such file or directory
22:51<boboysdadda>what does that mean?
22:51<abrotman>boboysdadda: aptitude install bzip2
22:51<boboysdadda>ty
22:53<opticon>no screens found
22:53<opticon>giving up.
22:53<opticon>some of these messages are kind of funny i wonder who's that guy that has sense of humor that thinks to add such things
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22:54<boboysdadda>what do i use to install multiple packages at once
22:54<boboysdadda>with aptitude
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22:56<abrotman>boboysdadda: aptitude install pkg1 pkg2 pkg3 ... etc
22:56<boboysdadda>ty
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22:58<boboysdadda>a readme is requesting that i install X11 but when i 'aptitude install X11' it tells me no package exist but over 40 with X11 in description. any ideas?
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22:58<home_>i have
22:58<home_>whai operational system u running?
22:59<boboysdadda>debian 5.0 lenny kde 3.5
22:59<home_>what window mangaer you want?
23:00<home_>gnome?
23:00<home_>or your kde not star?
23:00<boboysdadda>kde i'm not trying to install a window manager i'm trying to install xboxdrv
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23:00<home_>i have idea
23:01<home_>you speek other language?
23:01<boboysdadda>sorry only english
23:01<boboysdadda>http://pastebin.com/mTnv1Uyi
23:02<boboysdadda>thats what i'm following
23:02<boboysdadda>currently on line 39
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23:02<home_>ok
23:03<abrotman>boboysdadda: you probably already have done 'aptitude install xorg'
23:03<boboysdadda>no i've never done that. but i want my nvidia drivers
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23:04<edbian>Are G3 macs powerpc?
23:04<home_>ok
23:04<franki^>edbian: AFAIK, yes
23:04<abrotman>edbian: yes
23:04<home_>you tri wine3d?
23:04<edbian>thanks
23:04<boboysdadda>why do i want wine?
23:05<home_>sorry
23:05<home_>i m not understad what you want
23:05<boboysdadda>i'm trying to install my xbox360 controller
23:05<boboysdadda>xpad doesn't cover it
23:06<home_>sorry, i dnt have idea
23:06<boboysdadda>ty anyway home_
23:07<boboysdadda>nvm scons just told me when i tried to skip it. ty anyway
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23:08<boboysdadda>Checking for C++ library usb... no what am i looking for to correct that?
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23:09<home_>hey
23:09<home_>you try apttude install gcc g++?
23:10<edbian>Can I install debian on a cell phone?
23:10<boboysdadda>i did g++ not gcc
23:10<GhostlyDeath>For a directory, is there a way so that when another user creates a subdirectory or file in that directory, it is assigned to the owning directoriy's group and is writable by that group?
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23:10<home_>no more idea kkkkkkkkkk
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23:12<boboysdadda>woohoo its building
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23:14<boboysdadda>debian:/home/boboysdadda/Desktop/xboxdrv-linux-0.4.13# ./install.sh install: cannot stat `xboxdrv': No such file or directory
23:14<boboysdadda>do i need to create the directory xboxdrv somewhere? is that what that is saying?
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23:21<ebhakt>Hii all
23:21<ebhakt>this is bhaskar from india
23:22<ebhakt>i am here to promote my website
23:22<aiux>offtopic: #debian-offtopic
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23:22<ebhakt>http://fytclub.net/
23:22<aiux>ebhakt, ^^
23:22<ebhakt>please give it a minute of your time
23:22<aiux>!ot
23:22<dpkg>#debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
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23:25<boboysdadda>can anyone tell me what i did wrong?
23:25<boboysdadda>or what i'm forgetting please
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23:28<boboysdadda>i'll try tomorrow gnight
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23:45<nightwolf>hey
23:45<bja>hoy
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23:46<nightwolf>im sorta new to linux systems so i was wondering if i could ask about somthing
23:46<bja>!ask
23:46<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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23:48<nightwolf>i cant get compiz fusion to work and i dont think that it recognizes my graphics chip just wondering what i can do
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23:49<bja>nightwolf: Don't think, search for the hard facts
23:49<bja>!tell nightwolf about unix lessons
23:49<bja>Point 8 is the one you have to look into
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23:50<nightwolf>what do u mean
23:50<bja>!u
23:50<dpkg>Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201
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23:52<bja>nightwolf: read your logs pinpoint your problem and come with a real question. It is harder to help you figure out what is your real question
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23:56<nightwolf>how do i install drivers for my ATI radion hd 4200 graphics chip ?
23:57<nightwolf>?
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