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---Logopened Tue May 18 00:00:02 2010
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00:00<nightwolf>hi im using debian 5.0.4 and i cant get compiz fusion to work it opens but it dosent aply any of the settings
00:00<nostmith>!tell nightwolf -about ati
00:00<theillestfool>Sorry bro... but i cant help you
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00:01<nostmith>!tell nightwolf -about selftell
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00:12<prem>hi gal
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00:21<acu>how can I activate kvm in squeeze - if I type modprobe kvm-amd I got: FATAL: Error inserting kvm_amd (/lib/modules/2.6.32-3-amd64/kernel/arch/x86/kvm/kvm-amd.ko): Operation not supported
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00:25<GhostlyDeath>acu: what does dmesg say
00:26<acu>what should I type dor dmesg
00:27<gsimmons>acu: dmesg | grep kvm
00:27<simonrvn>well looks like to me that your hardware doesn't like it, and tells the kernel it shouldn't load it, or it's incompatible, or some other issue like versioning.
00:28<acu>[ 9.125189] kvm: disabled by bios
00:28<acu>[ 253.943533] kvm: disabled by bios
00:28<acu> GhosltyLife :)
00:28<GhostlyDeath>acu: hmm
00:28<acu>what that means GhosltyDeath
00:28<GhostlyDeath>acu: Go into your BIOS
00:28<GhostlyDeath>and enable Virtualization
00:29<GhostlyDeath>If your processor supports virtualization
00:29<GhostlyDeath>your BIOS should have an option for it
00:29<GhostlyDeath>the BIOS can prevent virtualization from working, for compatibility reasons
00:29<GhostlyDeath>and usually disables virtualization by default
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00:29<simonrvn>aaaand GhostlyDeath nails it
00:30<acu>GhostlyDeath, so I should reboot
00:30<bja>!tell acu about xve
00:30<GhostlyDeath>acu: If you cat /proc/cpuinfo
00:30<GhostlyDeath>there should be a flags line
00:30<bja>!tell GhostlyDeath about xve
00:30<GhostlyDeath>bja: I was getting to that
00:31<acu>Yes - virtualization available
00:31<jay__>does anyone know how to enable audio on an HP pavilion dv7? I can't fix it and I created a post on debian forums, here's it is :
00:31<GhostlyDeath>acu: You just need to enable it in the BIOS then
00:31<GhostlyDeath>usually when you boot it will say press F2 to enter setup
00:32<GhostlyDeath>bja: I wasn;t sure if it was called the same thing on AMD systems, as I'm on an intel system currently, my AMDs died
00:32<bja>GhostlyDeath: xve is the factoid, possible cause of problems the Bios as you allready mentioned and teh brand of procesor, it is not unusual to try to load the amd module on intel hw
00:32<acu>GhostlyLife: thanks - I am going to reboot - I am chating from the computer I want to virtualize :)
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01:26<Kenshin>i'm having a weird problem
01:26<Kenshin>there is an icon in my main menu (start bar menu) that i can't delete
01:26<Kenshin>is there a way to force delete something like that?
01:26<Kenshin>it was installed via wine
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01:36<Kenshin>is there a way to manually delete an icon in the start menu?
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01:37<Kenshin>is there a way to manually delete an icon in the start menu?
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01:39<raylu>i'm looking to extend my LVM. if i understand correctly, the recommended procedure is to poke fstab, then pvresize. does this work when extending left, though?
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01:45<Kenshin>is there a way to manually delete an icon in the start menu?
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01:54<Kenshin>is there a way to manually delete an icon in the start menu?
01:54<prem>Kenshin, add "NoDisplay= false" entry in the corresponding .desktop file in the installed path..that entry will go away from the menu..
01:55<Kenshin>well, i installed this proggy and used it with wine
01:55<Kenshin>i've uninstalled it and now it's shortcut in the main menu (start bar) refuses to let me alter or delete it
01:55<prem>did you uninstall it ..? Kenshin
01:56<Kenshin>there is nothing in it's install directory, infact the directory itself is gone
01:56<prem>then better you delete that desktop entry / folder from the installed path..mostly it will be under /usr/local/share/wine or /usr/share/wine
01:57<prem>Kenshin, or disable that entry using alacarte .., Prefrences--Main Menu
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02:00<Kenshin>so far, i can't find it
02:01<prem>under Main Menu ..?
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02:02<Kenshin>i got it under main menu
02:02<Kenshin>but alacarte won't let me remove it
02:02<Kenshin>i can uncheck it but not delete it
02:03<prem>yeah..main menu will only hide that entry..
02:03<prem>you cant delete ..
02:04<Kenshin>ya, it usually lets me delete the entrys i've added or wine has added during installation
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03:01<knoppix_>im getting error 16 on grub
03:01<knoppix_>and it says menu.lst file isnt there.
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03:02<Guest488>while im sure its there :P
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03:03<jm_>that normally happens if it tries to read it from wrong location
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03:28<cmot>Is there anything know about kvm not properly working on an Athlon 64 X2?
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03:28<lac>I am running squeeze on a laptop and using openbox as a window manager. Despite the fact that in my .config/openbox directory contains no mention of any program to run as a screensaver, I am getting one. I'd like to learn a) how to find out what program this is and b) how to disable it.
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03:29<cmot>a kvm vm started from virt-manager takes AGES to install squeeze with 2.6.33 from experimental
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03:29<cmot>(squeeze daily snapshot)
03:29<cmot>and both the daily snapshot and the alpha installer panic instantly with the current 2.6.32 kernel from squeeze.
03:29<ravi>hi, normally how many days does it take for the latest stable kernel to hit repos?
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03:30<cmot>ravi: experimental is usually available relatively fast.
03:30<cmot>Still, sometimes measured in days, not hours :-)
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03:30<cmot>I'm not closely involved, so I don't know any details.
03:31<ravi>oh k, I badly need 2.6.34, my machine is blanking out every now and then
03:31<ravi>i9xx VGA card bug
03:31<jm_>lac: screen blanker or real screen saver?
03:31<ravi>X dies
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03:33<ravi>ok, trolling experimental now
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04:15<wvsfxr>Is there a chance to make a sn9c120 based cam work?
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04:19<lac>jm_: real screen saver, pretty thing, does coloured towers of hanoi, and a chess game, and tons more
04:21<lac>i suspect that it is the gnome-screensaver, based on the fact that other people are reporting that when they run this thing for a long time on their thinkpad laptops, it hangs the mouse and keyboard and you have to power off the laptop
04:21<lac>This is precisely the problem I am having with whatever screensaver I have.
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04:25<simonrvn>lac: even just blanking the screen?
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04:26<gsimmons>wvsfxr: gspca claims support of the sn9c120 bridge chip ; /msg dpkg gspca
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04:31<jm_>lac: try to find out if it has PPID set
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04:46<lac>simonrvn: before the recent upgrade, all that happened was blanking the screen, and that never had a problem.
04:46<jm_>lac: just check what gets started for you
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04:48<wvsfxr>gsimmons: Thank you! I think this should work.
04:49<lac>I did a ps -Ulac and found xscreensaver
04:49<lac>how can I tell if this is what is running?
04:50<lac>what is running when I am idle?
04:50<jm_>start by checking its PPID
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04:53<lac>Its 2120 which is the same as my openbox session.
04:55<jm_>ok so you must be using a session which starts this then
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04:57<lac>this makes sense. I will dig around documentation for openbox now, now that I have a better idea which program is doing this. Thank you.
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05:08<Metrahla>so a driver.. for example in my situation.. for a Web camera, that driver is in the kernel ?
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05:23<Metrahla>and if i want to use a older version of the driver i install a kernel patch .. :S .. ?
05:25<gsimmons>Metrahla: What webcam do you have exactly? The USB ID detail (lsusb) would be useful.
05:26<Metrahla>its a creative ct6840.. its got some documentation on the web sayng that it will only work with a old version of the ov511 driver (1.32 i think, or later)
05:27<Metrahla>Bus 002 Device 002: ID 05a9:a511 OmniVision Technologies, Inc. OV511+ Webcam
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05:28<Metrahla>gsimmons, so.. on some instructions it says that it can be used a patch (driver) or somth..
05:28<Metrahla>its the 1st time im tryng to install this sort of thing
05:30<Metrahla>gsimmons, on the line mentioning the (web cam3) it says its the 1.32 driver
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05:31<alaska>hi babilen
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05:33<Metrahla>gsimmons, ( im asking questions in the room bcause its the 1st tiime im preforming this sort of action)
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05:37<gsimmons>Metrahla: The ov511 driver is in mainline, Linux 2.6.26 has version 1.64. You shouldn't need to do anything other than connect your device. After Linux 2.6.30 the driver was merged with gspca.
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05:39<Metrahla>gsimmons, ok.. however have you read the comment on this table: -- on the line "webcam3"
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05:42<gsimmons>Metrahla: And...? You said you have a CT6840, which is supported.
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05:44<Metrahla>"... Works. Easily confused with version below. Driver version 1.32 or later required for OV7620AE version. ..." -- so this doesnt means i have to install something ?
05:45<Metrahla>oh ok ..
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05:47<Metrahla>then im going to try a different Web Cam application to see if i get lucky gsimmons
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05:58<wuawua>hi guys. Yesterday I compiled the kernel 2.6.33 with oldconfig just to see if it works. Now it's running perfectly. Can I load the oldconfig to remove the modules I don't want and then recompile? Where can I find the "oldconfig". Is it .config now?
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06:03<wuawua>k got my answer by trying it
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06:07<dpkg>Another happy customer leaves the building.
06:08<dbvoliooo>i can install debian on a hp server?
06:08<ComradeHaz`>You install debian on just about anything :)
06:08<babilen>why shouldn't that be possible?
06:09<dbvoliooo>yes but on the supported os debian it's not there
06:09<ComradeHaz`>Can anyone explain what my issue is? : May 18 11:06:17 Hades kernel: [1620986.832899] NVRM: API mismatch: the client has the version 195.36.24, but May 18 11:06:17 Hades kernel: [1620986.832901] NVRM: this kernel module has the version 190.53. ================ Version 195.36.24-1+2.6.32-9 of nvidia-kernel-2.6.32-3-amd64 already installed, skipping.
06:09<babilen>dbvoliooo: Because Debian is not a certified Linux partner of HP --- it'll work though
06:10<ComradeHaz`>The former is trying to start X, the latter is the output of module assistant applying nvidia-kernel
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06:13<ComradeHaz`>hmm, actually, could anyone tell me how I'd go about removing all the nvidia kernel stuff - I don't think I need it anymore. I no longer use the machine as a desktop, but only access it over vnc.
06:13<ComradeHaz`>Obviously need to sort out xorg and everything.
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06:18<koksmo>hi all
06:18<icebrain>hi koksmo
06:20<jm_>ComradeHaz`: remove them like any other package
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06:21<ComradeHaz`>but it's compiled into the kernel, isn't it?
06:21<jm_>no, it's a kernel module
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06:32<ComradeHaz`>so what would I uninstall then jm_?
06:33<jm_>ComradeHaz`: nvidia-kernel-foo packages
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06:34<dpkg>Another happy customer leaves the building.
06:34<ComradeHaz`>and presumably nvidia-glx
06:34<dbvoliooo>thnks for advice
06:34<jm_>or simply aptitude purge nvidia-glx, that will remove most of it
06:34<ComradeHaz`>ok, what about my xorg.conf?
06:34<jm_>what about it?
06:34<ComradeHaz`>presumably I'd need a fresh one of those.
06:35<jm_>do you still plan to use X?
06:35<ComradeHaz`>well, that will be trying to load nvidia drivers won't it
06:35<jm_>with which driver?
06:35<ComradeHaz`>I think so...
06:35<ComradeHaz`>over vnc
06:35<jm_>you don't need xorg.conf for vnc
06:36<ComradeHaz`>but kdm won't start without it, will it?
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06:36<jm_>depends, but kdm is not needed for vnc
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06:37<ComradeHaz`>So how do I start a vnc session I can connect to?
06:37<ComradeHaz`>I have always just run x11vnc on a running session
06:37<dr|z3d>ComradeHaz`: install tightvncserver and then run it.
06:37<dr|z3d>Oh, unless you prefer x11vnc.
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06:37<ComradeHaz`>not neccessrilly
06:38<ComradeHaz`>I just didn't know any different
06:38<dr|z3d>You need to do some extra magic to connect to x11vnc if you're not logged in.
06:38<dr|z3d>But that will give you an existing X session to play with.
06:38<dr|z3d>If you want an independent X session, tightvncserver works great.
06:38<ComradeHaz`>I've just cheeted and used auto-login
06:39<dr|z3d>Ah, well, to not cheat you'd need to use the magic session cookie. I kid you not, it _is_ called that. :)
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06:39<ComradeHaz`>Yeah - I looked into it and decided I couldn't be bothered :D
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06:40<dr|z3d>Lazy boy! :P
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06:40<dr|z3d>In any event, if you want an idependent X session over vnc, tightvncserver is your man.
06:40<ComradeHaz`>yeah - failing though
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06:41<ComradeHaz`>it says it's running but can't connect to it
06:41<dr|z3d>You'll need to edit ~/.vnc/xstartup to make sure it's loading your session manager, desktop etc.
06:41<ComradeHaz`>do i need to configure it at all?
06:41<dr|z3d>But that shouldn't prevent connection.
06:41<dr|z3d>You need to supply the xession as a suffix.. eg
06:41<ComradeHaz`>should it be run as root?
06:41<dr|z3d>Note the :1 .. that's crucial.
06:42<dr|z3d>And NO!
06:42<ComradeHaz`>good good
06:42<dr|z3d>tightvncserver should NOT be run as root. No need.
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06:43<ComradeHaz`>OK, got something - it's a bit messed up though
06:43<dr|z3d>Yeah.. you got a raw xsession.
06:43<ComradeHaz`>rendering screwed on taskbar :/
06:43<ComradeHaz`>nope, it's pulled up a logged in kde
06:43<dr|z3d>Now you need to edit xstartup
06:43<dr|z3d>Oh, ok. Good.
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06:44<ComradeHaz`>but as I say, nasty, nasty rendering issues :S
06:44<dr|z3d>You spawn a new session and login when you login to vnc.
06:44<dr|z3d>Ah, yes.
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06:44*dr|z3d chuckles.
06:44<dr|z3d>tightvncserver doesn't much like alphablending.
06:44<dr|z3d>You'd do much better with Xfce and no compositing manager active.
06:44<dpkg>Xfce is a pretty nifty Desktop Environment. Lightweight, fast, compact. To install, ask me about <install xfce>. Backported 4.6.1 packages are available, ask me about <bpo>. Squeeze users: Missing icons in your menu? See . #xfce on
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06:45<ComradeHaz`>!install xfce
06:45<dpkg>To install <Xfce> on established systems, ask me about <install x>, then: aptitude install xfce4 xfce4-goodies . To install using Debian-Installer (if not using Xfce CD-1): press the Tab key at d-i's boot prompt, then include desktop=xfce in the boot options.
06:45<babilen>!tell ComradeHaz` about msg the bot
06:45<ComradeHaz`>A'ight, sorry.
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06:45<babilen>ComradeHaz`: No problem - Just thought i'll let you know
06:46<ComradeHaz`>Aye, fair enough.
06:48<ComradeHaz`>So is the best way to uninstall kde given I don't really use it anymore?
06:48<ComradeHaz`>Would certainly save on upgrade bandwidth!
06:48<dr|z3d>Good question.. I don't use KDE, so I don't know which packages you need to nuke.
06:49<ComradeHaz`>I know a place to ask!
06:49*ComradeHaz` pops over ti #debian-kde
06:49<ComradeHaz`>Although, #debian-gnome might actually be mroe helpful!
06:49<babilen>I guess that removing/purgin one of the metapackages like "kde" or "kdebase" would be a good start
06:49<gsimmons>ComradeHaz`: Alternatively, /msg dpkg remove kde
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06:50<ComradeHaz`>good thinking gsimmons!
06:51<jm_>!remove kde
06:51<dpkg>To remove or purge KDE: aptitude remove kdelibs-data kdelibs4c2a kdelibs5 kdelibs5-data. Use 'purge' instead of 'remove' if that's what you want (ask me about <purge>).
06:51<jm_>bah sorry
06:51<dr|z3d>To bring up Xfce, you'd edit your xstartup file and remove the existing launch codes and replace with xfce4-session xfce4-panel and xfce4-desktop
06:52<dr|z3d>At least, that's how I fudge it :)
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06:53<ComradeHaz`>what's the tightvnc process called?
06:53<ComradeHaz`>I can't seem to figure out how to close the existing session
06:53<dr|z3d>ps -e |grep vnc
06:53<ComradeHaz`>ahh, capital X
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06:54<ComradeHaz`>I assume using killall or kill is the only way to stop a session?
06:54<dr|z3d>I use kill. There may be better methods, but still.
06:55<dr|z3d>Logging out of a tightvncserver session just nukes the DE.
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06:55<ComradeHaz`>So I gather
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06:59<ComradeHaz`>[11:44:40] <dr|z3d> You'd do much better with Xfce and no compositing manager active. <--- so do I need to disable said compositing manager in Xfce?
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07:00<dr|z3d>ComradeHaz`: Probably not.. should be off by default.
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07:01<dr|z3d>You'll still see crappy rendering for QT based apps, so use those only when there isn't a gtk equivalent.
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07:01<ComradeHaz`>where's this startup file you say I need to edit?
07:02<ComradeHaz`>(indeed tight vnc now reports there are no screens to display
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07:02<ComradeHaz`>ignore me
07:02<ComradeHaz`>It works fine :)
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07:04<ComradeHaz`>(accidentally ran viewer because of the xtightvncviewer and _tightvncserver situation
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07:08<screenn>I'm trying to add new device to mdadm raid
07:08<Metrahla>could my system be endangered affter doing a .. "sh" on a old kernel patch ? .. i was tryng to set a web cam but i was doing things worng
07:08<screenn>and have this troubles - mdadm: /dev/sdb1 does not appear to be an md device
07:09<ComradeHaz`>you need to create a linux raid file system accross it.
07:09<screenn>/dev/ddb1 was formating for raid autodetect device before
07:09<ComradeHaz`>that's what I meant
07:09<screenn>*/dev/sdb1 sorry
07:10<ComradeHaz`>hmm, not sure - I only just managed to get mine working after a lot of effort
07:10<ComradeHaz`>I'd be in danger of missinforming you.
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07:11<screenn>I did it before on the different systems with command "mdadm --add /dev/sdb1", but now it's impossible, don't understand why
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07:12<ComradeHaz`>you're not specifying which raid to add it to
07:12<madduck>screenn: please read the manpage, you are missing an argument
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07:13<ComradeHaz`>probably want something like "mdadm /dev/md0 --add /dev/sdb1"
07:13<ComradeHaz`>Check the man page first
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07:17<ComradeHaz`>hmm, this method of using xfce and tightvn doesn't seem to be sychronising my clipboards
07:18<ComradeHaz`>anyone know how to solve that?
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07:34<Guest536>ciao a tutti
07:34<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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07:36<ComradeHaz`>Hmm, can't get clipboard to work lads! Anyone any ideas?!
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08:08<icebrain>hi teze
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08:10<teze>is there chinese here?
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08:11<icebrain>teze: you have to write /join #debian-cn
08:11<icebrain>sorry, /join #debian-zh
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08:15<dpkg>cn is probably China, or for help in chinese please join #debian-zh, Please use UTF-8, for IRC help see | Qt/KDE è¿æ¸¡æå¼å§ï¼è¯¦æ请é读
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08:16<icebrain>teze: write /join debian-zh
08:16<teze>oh i know
08:16<icebrain>teze: then what's the problem?
08:17<francisc>:) think he meant i understand :p (not i know)
08:17<teze>where do you come from ?
08:17<francisc>or maybe not...
08:18<icebrain>teze: Portugal. But this isn't a chat channel, you can join #debian-offtopic for that
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08:19<teze>oh i remenber
08:19<teze>oh i remember
08:21<teze>icebrain hheheh
08:22<teze>icebrain sorry
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08:27<tuxG>when i launch startx
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08:27<tuxG>cant load module vesa
08:27<screenn>madduck ComradeHaz` yes, I really missed it, thanks :)
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08:28<surf>hi guys. Just recompiled the 2.6.33 kernel. I can see that during the boot it says cpufreqd starting FAILED. How can I fix this?
08:28<tuxG>cant load module fbdev
08:28<jm_>surf: why are you using your own kernel?
08:28<tuxG>but X works fine
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08:29<surf>the deb bug team said to change from 2.6.32 to 2.6.33 to correct a udevd bug
08:29<tuxG>how can i resolv this two errors (i dont like errors in my log)
08:29<surf>jm_, which seems to be solved
08:29<jm_>surf: so make sure you enable userspace governor support in the kernel and that it's set as your scalign_governor
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08:32<surf>jm_, I have this CONFIG_CPU_FREQ_DEFAULT_GOV_ONDEMAND=y
08:32<jm_>surf: this is the one that doesn't need cpufreqd
08:32<surf>what you mean?
08:32<kara>is 2.6.33 the last release?
08:32<surf>i think the last unstable is 34
08:32<babilen>kara: no
08:33<jm_>ondeman governors scales CPU freq. on its own without external influence, as opposed to 'userspace' governor which relies on external tools (i.e. cpufreqd)
08:33<kara>so what's the last
08:33<surf>ok I got it
08:33<surf>jm_, so it's good? What about powernow? Will that work the same?
08:33<koollman>kara: as mentionned on, the last stable linux kernel release is 2.6.34
08:34<jm_>surf: well it's good enough for me, but some people prefer cpufreqd, so it's up to you; powernow is a hardware driver, which is the base for cpufreq to work (there are also others, depending on your hardware)
08:34<kara>i'm using how can i update it?
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08:38<surf>jm_, mmm i have an intel SU7300 (ULV).
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08:38<jm_>surf: in that case try acpi-cpufreq driver
08:39<surf>jm_, you mean in the kernel?
08:39<jm_>how much power does that thing need?
08:39<jm_>surf: yeah
08:39<surf>well intel says max tdp 10W
08:39<jm_>is it a laptop?
08:40<jm_>ahh right, maybe powertop will have some suggestions too
08:40<kara>can anybody tell me how to update the kernel
08:41<surf>I need debian to save more battery :(. Now it's like 4.5 hrs when winzoz is 12+ hrs
08:41<jm_>kara: it's a package, so install a newer version, just like you do with other packages
08:41<jm_>no I just made it up
08:41<kara>like apt-get install kernel......?
08:41<jm_>well with the right package name yes
08:42<jm_>try apt-cache search linux-image
08:42<jm_>judd kernels
08:42<judd>Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.33-2-686 (2.6.33-1~experimental.5); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-12); squeeze: 2.6.32-3-686 (2.6.32-9); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.4-686 (2.6.32-11~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-21lenny4); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2)
08:42<jm_>see this list as well for what's available
08:42<surf>jm_, it's strange that debian has this high power consumption
08:42<surf>I mean, my debian
08:42<jm_>surf: try running powertop
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08:43<surf>yep it's running
08:43<jm_>did it give you any suggestions?
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08:43<surf>it does
08:43<surf>I run it everytime I'm on battery and it saves something... but not more than 20/30 minutes
08:43<surf>shall I write those suggestions so that they're always good?
08:44<jm_>I guess
08:44<surf>i read somewhere that some of the changings in the hdd section could ruin the disk
08:44<jm_>you mean head off-loading and the likes?
08:45<surf>yes something like that
08:45<kara>then i would like to know where to download my pcmcia wireless modem driver
08:45<jm_>most disks for laptops should be made with that in mind, but who knows
08:45<surf>lol so that's quiet a risk
08:46<jm_>not if windows is doing it too
08:46<kara>judd:then i would like to know where to download my pcmcia wireless modem driver
08:46<jm_>kara: judd is a bot
08:47<kara>jm_:it's billionton pcgprsq wireless modem card
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08:47<koollman>let's not discriminate against bots, ok ? they have internet access too!
08:48<jm_>kara: what kind of modem is this?
08:48<kara>a pcmcia one
08:48<surf>jm_, I have 2 similar compiled 2.6.33 kernel. One with userspace governor and the other without. I'll see which one has the best battery life. thx bb :)
08:49<gsimmons>kara: What version of Debian are you using?
08:49<jm_>kara: well sure, but what about other details?
08:49<jm_>surf: you can enable all governors and select one at runtime
08:50<kara>i'm using an ubuntu 9.10
08:50<surf>jm_, oh i see
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08:50<gsimmons>kara: Ubuntu is not supported here, please use #ubuntu on for support instead.
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08:51<kara>ain't no compatibility between ubuntu and debian?
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08:52<koollman>kara: they have a common packaging system, and a lot of tools in common, and many packages are very similar. But they aren't the same
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08:52<kara>i'm talkin about drivers the may be the same aren't they?
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08:53<jm_>kara: yes, but you should continue in ubuntu support channel
08:54<koollman>kara: oh, very different on that side, I think. The two distributions have different policies about what to include or not in addition to the linux-supplied drivers (with varying kernel versions too, so it's not identical)
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08:58<kara>got that koollman
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09:07<k-man>is there a command line tool that can grab a screenshot from xorg?
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09:07<babilen>k-man: scrot maybe?
09:08<dpkg>To take a screenshot of your current desktop, you can probably just hit the "PrintScreen" key on your keyboard (Gnome and KDE). Alternatives include ksnapshot, gnome-panel-screenshot, the Gimp's "Acquire->Screenshot", "import -window root screenshot.jpg" (imagemagick package), scrot, xwd. For framebuffer consoles, use fbgrab.
09:08<k-man>thanks babilen
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09:09<babilen>k-man: you might want to check the alternatives mentioned by dpkg as well
09:10<k-man>babilen: thanks, scrot seems perfect for what i need as i'm trying to grap screenshots of mythtv, and i am sshed into that box, not working directly on the console
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09:49<teze>i come back
09:49<Spt>is there any software that lets u install debian via winxp?
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09:49<jordanm>Spt: "goodbye windows"
09:49<teze> kara
09:49<jordanm>likely not supported here however
09:50<kara>yo teza
09:50<Spt>i checked it and it says something about gnewsense
09:50<Spt>whats gnewsense
09:50<teze>what ?
09:51<kara>wanna discuss?
09:51<jordanm>Spt: no idea, never used it
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09:51<babilen>Spt: goodbye-microsoft (it used to be that website)
09:51<jordanm>this is not a discussion channel, see #debian-offtopic
09:51<Spt>oh.. ok sry and thanks..
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09:52<Spt>there is also this site:
09:52<babilen>teze: Stop it please - This is not a chat channel, we have #debian-offtopic for that
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09:52<dpkg>gNewSense GNU/Linux is an operating system based on <Ubuntu>, without most non-free software/firmware/binary-only blobs, but with <GFDL>-licensed documentation. #gnewsense on
09:52<kara>teze should switch off
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09:53<kara>what is cygwin
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09:53<babilen>kara: Why don't you google that yourself?
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09:54<kara>i didn't really understand it on google
09:54<Spt>thanks goodbye
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09:55<babilen>Spt: The installer from goodbye-windows is not officially supported by Debian and might not work. Do you have a special reason why you can't install Debian using one of the supported methods?
09:55<madduck>how does one concatenate .wav files?
09:55<locklace>!tell madduck about sox
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09:56<babilen>madduck: You might want to use a wav editor like audacity for that. No idea if "cat wav1 wav2 > wav_concat" might work :)
09:56<craigevil>actually can't the installer be started from windows?
09:57<madduck>it ought to work, but it can't be The True Way. and i definitely seek a CLI tool, so sox it might be.
09:57<madduck>locklace: thanks, checking it out. i should have known this myself. ;)
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09:57<locklace>sox is a far superior solution
09:57<locklace>and no, cat doesn't work
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10:03<Spt>hello again, im sorry but could you please tell me the site once more?
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10:04<icebrain>Spt: this?
10:04<gsimmons>craigevil: Yes, win32-loader is included on the x86 images since Lenny. (and recent win32-loader packages) provide a network/standalone version.
10:04<Spt>not gnewsense.. the debian one
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10:05<icebrain>Spt: sorry, I don't know what URL you're talking about
10:05<Spt>oo.. nvm found it.. goodbye-Windows
10:05<Spt>not Microsoft... thnXXXX cya
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10:10<phant0m_>need some help with backtrack 4 gfx drivers pls
10:11<dpkg>BackTrack is a Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu> Intrepid (as of BackTrack 4), previously <SLAX>. Derived from merging two penetration-testing distributions: WHAX (formerly WHOPPIX) and Auditor Security Linux. It is not supported in #debian. #backtrack-linux on See also <based on debian>.
10:11<phant0m_>ok ty
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10:17<dbvolio>i have a network problem
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10:18<dbvolio>i want to set the pc with debian with a local ip
10:18<dbvolio>and it's dns a router's ip
10:18<dbvolio>how to?
10:19<dbvolio>this pc i'm talking it's the router
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10:22<musca>!tell dbvolio about interfaces
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10:39<Spt>hello its me again
10:39<babilen>welcome back :)
10:39<Spt>i downloaded installed that software..
10:40<Spt>i reboot and tryied to install debian
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10:40<Spt>all went well except the partitioning part
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10:40<babilen>What was wrong?
10:41<Spt>it was supposed to install debian and also have xp on the system..
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10:42<Spt>that i realised was that it had to format one of my HDs
10:42<Spt>not just install it on one of them
10:42<Spt>that what i realised*
10:42<Spt>(bad english)
10:43<babilen>What is the situation right now and what are you trying to achieve?
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10:43<jesperj>Why does Lenny have Nessus version Version: 2.2.10-3 when the newest version is 4.2.2? Is the newer nessus versions really that unstable? It seems to be very outdated if you look at the difference in version numbers?
10:43<Spt>the situation is i can boot normaly to winxp or debian installer and i'm trying to install debian while i can restart and run xp..
10:44<Spt>dual boot i think
10:44<babilen>jesperj: lenny is stable - /msg dpkg stable - if you want to learn what that means
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10:44<jesperj>ok thanks
10:45<gsimmons>jesperj: Nessus was also removed from Debian (BTS #534501) ; /msg dpkg openvas
10:45<dpkg>Nessus is a proprietary vulnerability scanner. Previously GPL licensed until Nessus 3, removed from Debian post-Lenny to resolve bug #534501. Ask me about <openvas>.
10:45<jesperj>aaah. that explains it
10:45<jesperj>thanks guys
10:45<babilen>Spt: You can install Debian to a different hdd than windows, or you can resize the windows partition to make space for Debian
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10:46<Spt>today i unistalled ubuntu.. there was a ubuntu installer via windows.. and it installed ubuntu normally without any partiotioning errors or anything
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10:47<Spt>i had some files on a hd and it just created a file called ubuntu and there was the files.. also i could boot to both xp and linux
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10:47<Spt>cant this happen with debian
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10:47<babilen>Spt: You can achieve the same with Debian - It's just that the "automatically partition the complete harddrive" option of the installer *will* use the complete harddrive. You can easily create the partitions/swap yourself when you select "manual partitioning"
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10:48<Spt>how to i resize the disk to make space for debian?
10:48<Spt>i have a 20gb hd with 10gb stuff on it
10:49<Spt>i think that debian can be installed in 10gb.. ubuntu needed 2gb only..
10:49<Spt>2 or 4 i dont remember
10:50<babilen>Spt: The installer supports resizing of partitions if I remember correctly - But didn't you just say that you had Ubuntu installed alongside Windows before? Can't you use the space formally occupied by Ubuntu? If the installer does not support resizing (it most likely does) you can boot a gparted live cd to do that
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10:53<Spt>the 10gb is the space occupied by ubuntu before.
10:54<Spt>does resize delete files?
10:54<babilen>Spt: Why don't you install Debian there?
10:54<Spt>well i cant..
10:54<babilen>Why is that?
10:54<Spt>thats the problem i'm talkin all this tie
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10:54<Spt>w8 i
10:55<Spt>ill try once more and i will write down any questions
10:55<babilen>Spt: I don't quite understand your problem then. I have pointed out that the "guided partitioning - use entire disk" approach offered in the installer is not what you want. You might want to read
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11:02<jmm>casse toi putain mohamed.
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11:03<babilen>jmm: totally uncalled for! stop that please. thank you
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11:03<miguel000>how can I tell "ls" to show directories first.
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11:04<koollman>mohamed_: --group-directories-first
11:04<koollman>miguel000: --group-directories-first
11:04<jmm>babilen: did you noticed how, people tend to tell you 'please/thanks' when they give you an order. hehe. I never listen to thoses.
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11:05<Spt>babilen: "Any data on the disk you select will eventually be lost". Does this means that it will erase the Disk? Also it says: "You will be given the opportunity to automatically partition either an entire drive, or available free space on a drive". By this: "or available free space on a drive", does it mean to keep files on the disk?
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11:06<valdyn>Spt: the first one just means that debian cant guarantee for your data
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11:07<Spt>Oh.. I understand.
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11:07<babilen>Spt: I recommend you to manually partition your harddrive to fit your needs.
11:07<francisc>koollman, how do i list directorys only with ls? :)
11:07<valdyn>Spt: now if you have enough space to keep the existing partition untouched, you wont lose it, unless you hit a severe bug in the installer
11:08<valdyn>Spt: or if you *chose* to use the whole disk
11:08<Spt>how much is the "enough" space?
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11:09<babilen>Spt: 10GB should be enough
11:09<valdyn>Spt: not less than 5G
11:09<valdyn>Spt: or as much as you need
11:09<babilen>Spt: or rather: "The 10GB you have should be enough"
11:10<Spt>Ok, i'll be back if i face new problems.. Thank you..
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11:15<miguel000>thank you koollman
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11:17<paggas>francisc: You can use find -type d.
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11:22<Spt>"Failed to partition the selected disk","This probable happend because the selected disk or freespace is too small to be automatically partitioned"
11:23<Spt>By the term freespace does it mean the free unpartitioned space? or from 20gbs the 10gbs..?
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11:25<Spt>Because it had the 2 hds, each one fully partitioned and each one had a 8mb free space..
11:26<Spt>any ideas?
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11:27<babilen>Spt: Why don't you partition manually? Can you tell me a bit more about your needs and hardware, so I can recommenda suitable partition scheme?
11:27<babilen>Spt: You can also delete the ex-Ubuntu partitions and let the installer do the partitioning for you
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11:28<babilen>Spt: Not sure if it will come up with a good partition scheme though
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---Logclosed Tue May 18 11:34:46 2010
---Logopened Tue May 18 11:34:55 2010
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11:34<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
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11:35<Spt>its 19.xgb in space, it is 18.7 partitioned..
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11:35<babilen>Spt: Ok - How is it partitioned?
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11:36<babilen>Spt: You mean the entire HDD is in a single partition (used by windows) and formatted with the NTFS filesystem?
11:36<jordanm>which means one ntfs partition? 3 ntfs partitions?
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11:38<Spt>wait a second
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11:38<babilen>Spt: Where was Ubuntu installed before? You said that it was installed into a "file" - Did you use something like wubi for that, or do you rather mean that Ubuntu created suitable partitions of your harddrive and installed itself there?
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11:38<Spt>wait i will explain
11:38<Spt>I got 2 HDDs
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11:39<Spt>the first is 40gb ntfs and the entire hdd is a single partition.. it has winxp in it
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11:39<Spt>the second is 20gb ntfs and the entire hdd is a single partition.. it just has files in it
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11:39<Spt>ubuntu was installed on the second hdd
11:40<Spt>wubi yes.. i used wubi
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11:42<babilen>Spt: Well, I am not aware of any installation scheme like wubi for Debian (it might exist though) - You will have to resize your 20GB (2nd hd) and let the installer create *real* partitions for Debian.
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11:44<Spt>IF i transfer the files from 2nd hdd to the first, then format and install debian on the 2nd, and the login to xp and transfer back to 2nd wouldnt be tha same?
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11:45<babilen>Spt: Resizing of NTFS partitions is supported by the Debian installer
11:45<Spt>how to i resize?
11:45<babilen>Spt: I guess that you have to install support for the ext3 filesystem in Windows then ...
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11:47<babilen>Spt: ← see the second image in the "Partitioning" section
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11:48<babilen>Spt: Actually reading that and the install guide might be a good idea :)
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11:49<Spt>hehe, couldnt u send that from the beginning?
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11:51<beau222>soy beau
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11:52<icebrain>hola, beau222. Quieres ayuda en español?
11:52<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat
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12:02<Metrahla>i just did a debian fresh install, im tryng to get a ct6480 web camera(3) working, it is supported by the drivers. and i get a amazinly great image ( comparing to the on i get with xp) however the frame rate is low
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12:03<Metrahla>i think that the only think unsatisfiable is the frame rate
12:03<Metrahla>and i also cant get it working on skype
12:03<Metrahla>i runned cheese
12:04<Metrahla>maybe i should get another web cam application and go trougth some settings and set a frame rate?
12:04<Metrahla>however ... i cant get xawtv working or either xvid
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12:04<Metrahla>id love some help
12:04<Metrahla>not to mention that it also doenst do the ligth adjustment
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12:05<Metrahla>it means that if i have my window open... the whole camera image will have alot of ligth .. and i cant c nothing
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12:06<Metrahla>(1st thing when i plug the usb is that the camera green ligth starts shining right away)
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12:07<dbvolio000>i have setup my local network
12:07<dbvolio000>but there's a problem
12:07<dbvolio000>i used that commands
12:08<dbvolio000>and the two pc don't ping themselves
12:08<dbvolio000>what should i do
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12:09<koollman>you aren't completely crazy yet ? :)
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12:09<dbvolio000>one pc has internet and i use the local network to 'give ' net to the debian pc
12:10<dbvolio000>what commands should i use?
12:10<dbvolio000>how should i proceed?
12:10<koollman>first. the advice given isn't a very good one. it will change the ip temporarily, if you ever reboot it will be attributed by dhcp again
12:11<dbvolio000>no dhcp
12:11<dbvolio000>i don't have one
12:11<koollman>"every time my router restarts, the local IP addresses of both my Debian box and my iBook change"
12:11<koollman>that seems to indicate you do have one
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12:12<Metrahla>dbvolio000, if i was goint to share internet id need the 1st computer (serving the net) to atribute dhcp to the client
12:12<koollman>ip adresses don't change if the router isn't running a dhcp server
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12:13<Metrahla>then the 2nd computer on the LAN , whould be getting an address from the computer maynly connected to the router
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12:15<dbvolio000>i did just the same
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12:21<mhi>Why none has ever approached to write a nice debugger for linux? I mean something like OllyDbg or IdaPro/Immunity for Win.
12:21<mhi>Or 'reversing environment' or whatever you want to call it.
12:21<valdyn>mhi: like ddd?
12:21<mhi>well, that's just a frontend
12:21<valdyn>mhi: so?
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12:21<mhi>Compared to OllyDbg and the like? It lacks like 80% of the features.
12:22<mhi>Not that I would be much into reversing, I just wonder. Am I missing something?
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12:22<valdyn>mhi: theres commercial debuggers
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12:24<valdyn>i dont see any feature listed that ddd doesnt have though
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12:24<valdyn>except maybe scriptability, no idea
12:24<boboysdadda>ok so i followed instructions on and i still don't have flash what did i do wrong? or what am i missing?
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12:24<mhi>valdyn: I believe I was reading about gdb getting Python support for scripting.
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12:24<valdyn>except that gdb without ddd is perfectly scriptable anyway
12:25<valdyn>Intel® Debugger (IDB) for Linux
12:25<valdyn>etc pp
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12:25*mhi looks up
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12:26<valdyn>guess theres quite a few when my first google query finds 3 distinct debuggers as first 3 hits
12:27<mhi>well, sure there are ones, but I had the thought they just wouldn't be as advanced as the ones I mentioned
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12:29<mhi>thanks :>
12:29<valdyn>mhi: i dont see anything that gdb cant do in the ollydbg feature list
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12:29<mhi>I'm glad to hear that. I should really dive into its features sometime.
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12:30<mhi>and I believe ddd was able to draw flow control graphs, which is quite neat.
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12:31<Spt>succeded at installing debian.. :)
12:31<boboysdadda>congrats Spt
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12:32<babilen>Spt: \o/
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12:32<retrospectacus>Spt: hoooray everything works!
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12:32<Spt>lol... i cant login.. because i cant see anything.. my screen shows some colors
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12:32<boboysdadda>ouch. overe my head
12:33<boboysdadda>can someone please tell me how to get flash to work?
12:33<Spt>and the light button of the screen(on/off) goes flashing
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12:34<babilen>Spt: It's most likely a broken Xorg configuration - Try "CTRL-ALT-F1" and log into a console - You can then use "irssi" (a text IRC client) to come here by issuing the commands "/server" and "/j #debian"
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12:34<retrospectacus>Spt: press Ctr-Alt-F1, login, then enter: DISPLAY=:0 xrandr -s 800x600
12:34<retrospectacus>where 800x600 is a mode you know your monitor can handle
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12:35<Spt>i thought is
12:35<retrospectacus>presumably you are already in IRC on oftc...
12:35<retrospectacus>same place
12:35<Happy>sois tontos
12:35<retrospectacus>!tell Happy -about es-social
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12:36<Spt>how to execute the irssi
12:36<boboysdadda>why can't i make flashplayer work?
12:36<retrospectacus>Spt: yeah do the xrandr command I said, then press Ctrl-Alt-F7
12:36<babilen>Spt: I then need the output of "lspci -nn|grep -i vga" and /var/log/Xorg.0.log - You can paste these with the "pastebinit" programm (install it) by issuing "lspci -nn|grep -i vga|pastebinit -b" and "pastebinit /var/log/Xorg.0.log"
12:37<Happy>can you speak spanish?
12:37<babilen>Spt: Try retrospectacus approach first though - it might just give you a "usable" X configuration
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12:38<retrospectacus>Spt: I am guessing you are connecting to IRC here with a different computer
12:38<babilen>... or the same computer but with a different OS (i.e. Windows)
12:38-!-Happy was kicked from #debian by debhelper [use the paster bot or #flood]
12:38<Spt>agreed to babilen
12:39*babilen hands debhelper a lolly
12:39<Spt>brb with debian
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12:40<retrospectacus>famous last words...
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12:44<Spt>problem.. the same thing goes with the ctrl alt f1... but in blacknwhite
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12:46<Spt>babilen: are you there?
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12:49<Spt>could some1 help me out? - Just installed debian and cant get in because it shows a crapy screen with colors and when i hit Ctrl+alt+F1 it changes a bit but shows crapy again, now only black/white
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12:52<lxsameer>is it possible to use socks 5 proxy with a console ?
12:52<icebrain>lxsameer: you can use tsocks to proxy any app, afaik
12:52<retrospectacus>Spt: do you have any other monitor you could try plugging in?
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12:52<Spt>nope :(
12:52<lxsameer>icebrain: thanks
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12:54<Spt>could i find any light if u could tell me exaclty what to do in blind way...?
12:54<Spt>what to type..
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12:57<jhutchins_lt2>Spt: Try rebooting to single user mode.
12:57<Spt>whats that
12:58<Xenguy>Hi - last night abrotman was recommending a .32 kernel for lenny available at backports, but all I can find is the kernel source. I'm wondering if there is a kernel image available since I would really rather not build my own kernel if possible
12:58<jhutchins_lt2>No network, simple console.
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12:58<jhutchins_lt>Xenguy: Yes, it's available from backports.
12:58<jhutchins_lt>,versions kernel
12:58<judd>Sorry, no package named 'kernel' was found.
12:59<judd>Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.33-2-686 (2.6.33-1~experimental.5); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-12); squeeze: 2.6.32-3-686 (2.6.32-9); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.4-686 (2.6.32-11~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-21lenny4); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2)
12:59<Xenguy>jhutchins_lt: the binary image you mean, or just the source?
12:59<jhutchins_lt>Xenguy: binary. Follow the directions on the backports web page.
13:00<Xenguy>jhutchins_lt: OK I'll take another look; I wasn't having much luck with that search interface for some reason :-/
13:00<Xenguy>jhutchins_lt: e.g. it didn't even return any search results for keyword 'kernel'
13:00<themill>,versions linux-image-2.6.32-bpo.4-686
13:00<judd>linux-image-2.6.32-bpo.4-686 -- lenny-backports: 2.6.32-11~bpo50+1
13:01<jhutchins_lt>Xenguy: Use the filename themill used.
13:01<Xenguy>OK thanks guys, will give that a shot
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13:01<gsimmons>themill: Ugh, not that one please (dependency on faulty linux-base).
13:01<themill>gsimmons: oh? So plan B is?
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13:02<locklace>linux-base from sid
13:02<themill>,versions linux-image-2.6.32-bpo.3-686
13:02<judd>linux-image-2.6.32-bpo.3-686 -- lenny-backports: 2.6.32-9~bpo50+1
13:02<gsimmons>themill: Or bpo.3, which is what the metapackages are currently referring to.
13:02*themill gave up on kernel metapackages in anything other than stable about 2 years ago
13:03<locklace>that linux-base breakage was a total fail
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13:03<Xenguy>Sorry, was that for me, or ...?
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13:03<themill>Xenguy: what kernel flavour are you using at the moment? amd64, 686, 486?
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13:04<Xenguy>themill: # uname -r
13:04<themill>Xenguy: aptitude -t lenny-backports install linux-image-686
13:04<Xenguy>themill: thanks, brilliant
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13:09<jhutchins_lt>I'm running 26 happily on my boxes.
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13:09<Spt>same results from single user
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13:09<jhutchins_lt>Spt: Do you not get a console login?
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13:10<Spt>i saw this:
13:10<Spt>and when i hit ctrl+alt+f1
13:10<jhutchins_lt>I think you need to disable the framebuffer, not sure whether that' vga=normal or nofb.
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13:12<Spt>whats that
13:12<jhutchins_lt>Spt: Try disabling the framebuffer. Do you know how to add a boot parameter?
13:12<Spt>emm.. no
13:13<jhutchins_lt>e to edit the line, pick the kernel option line, e to edit again, add vga=normal
13:13<Spt>to do that where..?
13:13<jordanm>the boot menu
13:13<Spt>grub menu?
13:14<jhutchins_lt>Yes. Looks like the correct parameter for current debian is "video=vga16:off"
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13:14<Spt>so i add video=vga16:off?
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13:15<jhutchins_lt>This may be helpful:
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13:15<jhutchins_lt>Or not, n'mind.
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13:16<Spt>reboot and brb
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13:18<Xenguy>Back. I am mid-way through installing this backport'd .32 kernel for lenny, and I am getting a 'Required firmware files may be missing' (i.e. "some drivers on this system may require additional firmware files"). It later says that I need to configure 'non-free', but AFAIK I already have that configured in /etc/apt/sources.list
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13:18<Xenguy>Is there a recommended way to proceed with this installation?
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13:19<Xenguy>(I've never seen this kind of message before, and I certainly have messed with anything firmware related before)
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13:19<babilen>Xenguy: Let us have a look at the output of "apt-cache policy" and "lspci -nn" -- especially if you have messed with firmawre before^H^H^H
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13:19<retrospectacus>how can I tell what /dev disks are physically there? ls /dev/hd* /dev/sd* outputs about 600 lines like /dev/[hs]d[a-p][ -15]
13:20<Xenguy>babilen: OK, let me line that up
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13:22<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>.
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13:23<babilen>Xenguy: /msg dpkg paste ;)
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13:24<Xenguy>babilen: apt-cache policy is here:
13:26<babilen>Xenguy: Yes, non-free is there
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13:26<babilen>Spt: progress?
13:26<Spt>just nothing guys
13:26<gsimmons>Xenguy: The exact firmware files involved (which were stated) are enough for us to go on.
13:26<Xenguy>babilen: lspci -nn is here:
13:27<Spt>babilen: i'm stuck on graphics... it shows me this:
13:28<Xenguy>gsimmons: Back. You want me to pastebin the list of firmware files then?
13:28<gsimmons>Xenguy: I'll take a guess.
13:28<gsimmons>dpkg: e100
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13:28<dpkg>[e100] the Intel PRO/100 network driver, included in mainline Linux kernels. Firmware from userspace (Debian 2.6.29 and later kernels) is only required for non-ICH devices; i.e. PCI-IDs 8086:1229 (rev 8), 8086:1229 (rev 9) and 8086:1229 (rev F/10). e100 firmware (d101m_ucode.bin, d101s_ucode.bin, d102e_ucode.bin) is packaged for Debian in firmware-linux-nonfree, ask me about <non-free sources>.
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13:29<babilen>gsimmons: Magic! :)
13:29<babilen>Xenguy: Install firmware-linux-nonfree
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13:29<Spt>babilen: did u saw the image?
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13:29<gsimmons>babilen: No, Xenguy doesn't even need that. PCI ID 8086:1031 isn't a device requiring firmware.
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13:30<Xenguy>gsimmons: firmware files list is here (if need be):
13:30<babilen>gsimmons: right "non-ICH devices" :)
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13:32<Xenguy>gsimmons babilen So is this just a generic firmware warning that I can safely ignore, or ...?
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13:33<gsimmons>Xenguy: You probably require radeon DRM firmware (/msg dpkg radeon firmware), but you can ignore anything involving e100.
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13:34<babilen>Xenguy: The radeon firmware is shipped in firmware-linux-nonfree
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13:34<Xenguy>babilen: dpkg agrees with you (just read the factoid gsimmons provided) :-)
13:35<jhutchins_lt>retrospectacus: fdisk -l
13:36<jhutchins_lt>Spt: Were you able to add the kernel parameter?
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13:36<Xenguy>It strikes me that it would be useful for the installation warning message I received if it included a reference to firmware-linux-nonfree ;-)
13:37<Xenguy>babilen gsimmons Anyway, thanks again for your help!
13:37<Spt>jhutchins_lt: it had some stuff for booting, i spaced and entered the first time vga=normal
13:37*Xenguy proceeds with kernel installation...
13:38<Spt>the next video=vga:off and the 3rd both
13:38<Spt>just nothing
13:38<Spt>OR i did something wrong
13:38<Spt>after typing the commands i press b for boot right?
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13:39<Xenguy>babilen: BTW, is that firmware-linux-nonfree from regular lenny, or from backports?
13:40<jordanm>regular lenny, but the non-free repo
13:40<Xenguy>jordanm: thanks!
13:40<gsimmons>Xenguy: No, backports. There is no firmware-linux-nonfree package in stable.
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13:42<Xenguy>gsimmons: you're right - it is being pulled from backports AFAICT
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13:44<boboysdadda>ok so i am trying to install this theme and i am at a complete loss. could someone please point me in the right direction.
13:44<boboysdadda>i'm running 5.0 lenny
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13:46<Ree>hello, i have a problem with hald. it fails to restart (randomly). here's what the output looks like:
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13:46<Ree>anyone knows what the problem could be?
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13:49<boboysdadda>i guess my question would be how to add this repo properly deb ./
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13:50<boboysdadda>when i try adding it to synaptic it doesn't take probobly because i am missing the distro and section(s) blocks
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13:51<__lonewolf>hello all
13:51<jordanm>boboysdadda: use /etc/apt/sources.list
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13:51<boboysdadda>ok i haven't done that before. do i just add that line and then apt-get update?
13:52<jordanm>boboysdadda: you need to specify a release, but yes. more info in "man sources.list"
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13:54<jhutchins_lt>boboysdadda: You could just follow the directions on that site.
13:55<jhutchins_lt>jordanm: "release" on this non-standard repo is "./"
13:55<jordanm>ah.. I didn't go to the site... I don't trust anything that can't spend $4 on a domain name that can be resolved...
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13:56<boboysdadda>ok so how do i write to sources.list because its not letting me
13:56<jordanm>boboysdadda: you have to be root
13:56<RCP>boboysdadda su root
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13:57<boboysdadda>well i was trying to open it with konqueror
13:57<oskie>I need to cross-compile an x86 kernel on an amd64 debian system. it seems make-kpkg needs i486-linux-gnu-gcc, but it's not available
13:57<gnugr>more linux commands here:
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13:59<__lonewolf>does anyone have notes on loadbalancing with Debian?
13:59<retrospectacus>apt-get update 404ing all over the place... even after changing the host in .list...
13:59<boboysdadda>ok so i am root and i am in /etc/apt# and when i try to enter ./sources.list bash comes back permission denied
13:59<retrospectacus>works ok for squeeze but not lenny
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14:00<retrospectacus>boboysdadda: you need to edit it, not run it. Try nano sources.list
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14:01<boboysdadda>ok its added how do i save and exit
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14:03<boboysdadda>sorry i don't know how to enter the ^X or ^O wich i think writeout means save
14:03<retrospectacus>Ctrl-X to exit, it will ask you if you want to save (Y) then ask you for a filename (just hit enter)
14:03<retrospectacus>Ctrl = ^
14:04<retrospectacus>yes Ctrl-O will save the file
14:04<boboysdadda>k thankyou
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14:05<retrospectacus>now apt-get update
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14:06<Dreakon>Hey guys, I use MOC (music on console), it's lighter weight than GUI music players like Rythymbox and whatnot, im just curious if there's any way to make it so I can press like ALT+V to skip to the next song, and make it function so I can do it even when the MOC window doesn't have focus?
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14:06<boboysdadda>ok its installing after it installs will i need to ctrl-alt-bkspc for it to take effect?
14:07<bja>Dreakon: cli have some limitations. You will have to poke with your particular wm to achieve that
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14:08<retrospectacus>boboysdadda: what are you installing again? Logging out with the menu is better than C-A-B
14:08<Dreakon>bja, I guess it's not a big deal. I'm not sure what cli or wm means lol. Are you saying it's possible though?
14:08<boboysdadda>i am installing a theme
14:08<bja>cli == comand line interface wm == window manager
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14:08<retrospectacus>should be able to apply it thru System- Prefs- Appearance
14:08<Dreakon>Ah, makes sense.
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14:09<bja>Dreakon: it is possible but it is not mocs problem if you use gnome it will be gnome's trouble
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14:09<boboysdadda>ok i'll look once its done downloading the packages. going slow as hell since i'm running internet through my phone right now
14:10<amphi>Dreakon: yes, you can do that
14:10<amphi>Dreakon: I use xbindkeys to bind key combos to mocp commands
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14:10<amphi>here, I use the laptop's 'multimedia' keys for that
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14:11<bja>amphi: is that wm independant?
14:11<amphi>bja: I use xbindkeys for all non-wm-specific stuff
14:11*bja downloads xbindkeys
14:12<Dreakon>amphi, that sounds pretty much like what I want. :P Do I apt-get xbindkeys?
14:12<bja> apt-get install xbindkeys
14:12<mjt>you can install or remove it
14:12<ml|>aptitude install ... ;)
14:12<Dreakon>That was just my hip way of asking if it's in the debian repo's.
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14:13<Dreakon>Gotta apt-get that shit.
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14:13<amphi>Dreakon: I suggest you don't use alt-some_key though, it may interfere with other programs
14:14<amphi>Dreakon: mod4-whatever might be better, if you have a 'windows' key
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14:14<Dreakon>amphi, oo, giving this windows key a job might be good.
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14:15<amphi>Dreakon: if you have two, I find the 'menu' key makes a useful Compose/Multi_key FWIW
14:15*bja has Mod1 used and Mod2 used (Win Key) he is looking for some glue to stick an extra key to his keyboard
14:16<amphi>capslock? or do you need that to be Control? ;)
14:16<Dreakon>how do I configure it after installing xbindkeys? :( lol
14:16<amphi>Dreakon: there's a gui thing called xbindkeys-config
14:16<ml|>use three key combos when you start to running out of two ;)
14:17<Dreakon>Well, typing xbindkeys-config into Terminal seems to think the command can't be found. :(
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14:17<Dreakon>Damn you Debian!
14:17<gsimmons>Dreakon: Regarding the first part of your problem: "next = M-v" in ~/.moc/keymap, and reference that from ~/.moc/config.
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14:17<amphi>Dreakon: bind them to commands like 'mocp -G/' etc. (man mocp has the list of command line options)
14:18<amphi>Dreakon: if you use those commands, they will work even if mocp's interface is not running
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14:19<ml|>when moc is running it should tell what keys are assigned for; with '?' key
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14:19<Dreakon>Well, I normally press 'n' for next song, and 'b' for previous song.
14:20<amphi>ml|: those will only work with the interface running in a term with focus, though
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14:21<Dreakon>amphi, this may sound dumb lol, but how do I get into that xbindkeys GUI? I'm trying to type 'xbindkeys-config' into the Terminal but it ain't budging lol
14:21<ml|>amphi: yes, I forgot
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14:21<ml|>Dreakon: try hash then try running the command again
14:21<amphi>Dreakon: oops, xbindkeys-config is a separate package
14:22<amphi>Dreakon: sorry about that
14:22<Dreakon>Gotta love GUI's, ill grab that. :)
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14:25<ml|>the moc man page will give you a list of commands you can use with xbindkeys, that should work regardless of focus
14:25<Dreakon>Alright, so Name is what I wanna name it, like MOC Next. Key is the key combo I want, like Windows Key + V?
14:25<Dreakon>and action would be the MOC command?
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14:27<ml|>for next 'mocp -f'
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14:30<Dreakon>Hmm... alright. For "Action" I put 'mocp -G'
14:30<Dreakon>I have MOC running in the background paused, and I set it to go when I press the Windows button + X
14:31<Dreakon>I applied it, it should work right?
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14:34<debacle>Hi all, i'm tweaking my crontab. I'd like to redirect stderr and std out of a cron line to a file. The command format is this command1 && command2 where di i have to place the " 2>&1" ??
14:35<debacle>i think that if i place the " 2>&1" at the end of the command 2 it will not be valid for command1. is this true ?
14:36<amphi>Dreakon: yes
14:37<Dreakon>amphi, is there some kind of final application step or anything, because it doesn't seem to be doing anything. :(
14:37<retrospectacus>debacle: yes. you want something like cmd1 2>&1 >>logfile && cmd2 2>&1 >>logfile
14:37<amphi>Dreakon: note that for -G to work, moc must be playing or paused
14:37<retrospectacus>debacle: there may be a way to capture the outputs differently, anyone know?
14:38<amphi>Dreakon: if it doesn't work, try mocp -p in a term, and then your key combo
14:38<Dreakon>amphi, it's definately paused. :)
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14:38<amphi>Dreakon: does mocp -G in a term work?
14:39<Dreakon>I think it says "The server is not running".
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14:39<debacle>retrospectacus: i had i mind simething like "command1 && command2" 2>&1 >>logfile ... but i tink your tip is good enough to suppress a bogus output !
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14:40<retrospectacus>hmm yeah I don't think those quotes will work but there may be a way to do it like that, just not sure
14:40<amphi>Dreakon: run mocp, get it playing, and try your key combo
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14:41<retrospectacus>possibly with ( parentheses )
14:41<Dreakon>amphi, alright. I think I miiight know what the issue is.
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14:41<retrospectacus>debacle: you could ask in #bash on freenode, they would know about that
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14:42<debacle>retrospectacus: right !! good tip ! Thanks again !
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14:44<Dreakon>amphi, same problem. FATAL ERROR: The server is not running.
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14:45<amphi>Dreakon: you can't start mocp?
14:45<Dreakon>I started and play music in amphi.
14:45<Dreakon>mocp rather lol
14:45<Dreakon>im sleepy
14:45<Dreakon>that happens when I try the command.
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14:46<amphi>Dreakon: you are the same user running mocp and 'mocp -G' ?
14:47<Dreakon>amphi, not sure what that means lol. I didn't log out after starting mocp lol
14:47<Dreakon>i get it
14:47<Dreakon>silly root terminal
14:48<boboysdadda>ok so i have sound but no sound control on the desktop. debian 5.0 lenny kde3.5 would also like to get my sound control buttons on the laptop working if anyone knows how
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14:49<amphi>boboysdadda: do they generate keysyms? (you can test with xev)
14:50<amphi>Dreakon: so, it's behaving now?
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14:50<boboysdadda>amphi, yes they do
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14:51<Dreakon>amphi, yes! it is! That's so exciting! Thank you very much for all of your help!
14:51<amphi>Dreakon: you're welcome
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14:51<Dreakon>I'm just gonna take root terminal off of the accessories menu. it causes me more trouble then it helps
14:51<amphi>boboysdadda: you can bind the keys to amixer commands
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14:52<boboysdadda>ok is there a way to do it by selecting an hp keyboard layout somewhere? thats how i did it when i was runing kde4.4.3 on a different distro
14:52<amphi>boboysdadda: I have bindings for commands "amixer set Master 5%-", "amixer set Master 5%+", & "amixer set Master toggle"
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14:53<boboysdadda>and second problem is i don't have any sound control on the desktop
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14:56<r0nin>hmm, server just entered a constant loop of rebooting... and one long beep?!
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14:59<boboysdadda>amphi, thanks i just found the keyboard layout so that i can set my keyboard volume controls work now
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15:00<amphi>cool; there may be well one for mine, but I did it manually ;)
15:00<boboysdadda>take a look
15:01<boboysdadda>control center-regional & accessibility-keyboard layout.
15:01<boboysdadda>just couldn't find it before myself
15:01<amphi>no need, it works as it is - I also don't use a DE
15:01<boboysdadda>desktop enviroment?
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15:07<amphi>actually, now I come to think of it, the buttons are given keysyms automagically now here, but I still have to bind commands to them
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15:18<boboysdadda>stupid question: how do i add widgets to the desktop not just the bottom panal
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15:25<Nazcafan>Is anyone using an alps touchpad? I have a lack of reactiveness using mine.
15:25<Nazcafan>it *used* to work better, though
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15:38<ukleinek>moin, since upgrading gdm -> gdm3 selecting a Session Language doesn't work anymore.
15:38<ikonitas>is anybody would like to help me? :))
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15:39<ukleinek>there is no entry in the bug db, so I wonder if that's only my problem
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15:40<linknop>hola a todos estoy utilizando backtrack
15:40<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat
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15:48<mkad>how to fix ITP package of package that I am making?
15:49<rmayorga>mkad: you better ask on #debian-mentors
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15:51<boboysdadda>hey rmayorga what is the debain-mentors chan for?
15:51<dpkg>it has been said that mentors is the system that the Debian project uses to train new people to become Debian Developers or Debian Maintainers and get their packages into the Debian archive. Ask me about <nmg> or <mg>. #debian-mentors on
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15:52<boboysdadda>ty jordanm
15:52<boboysdadda>time to smoke bbiab
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16:12<barkel>hi there
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16:14<barkel>Since there's no one who is answering on an adequate channel iam trying to compile a cprogram on debian but its no working. and i cant figure it out if its a problem of the few line sof code or of debian
16:14<barkel>this is the program: but the text which i get when iam trying to compile with gcc is somehow very strange
16:15<jhutchins_lt>barkel: The actual error messages would be useful. Use pastebin.
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16:16<barkel>pastebin is offline so iam using codepad ;)
16:16<barkel>this is the error:
16:16<MINIRUSO>no entiendo
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16:16<themill>!es-social MINIRUSO
16:16<dpkg>MINIRUSO: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador por favor ingresa al canal social de #debian-es con /join #debian-es-cachondeo. Tus amigos probablemente ya esten ahi.
16:16<themill>barkel: compiles fine for me
16:17<MINIRUSO>plis espanish
16:17<barkel>Hmm before i startet using functions the compiling process was without any message afterwards
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16:18<barkel>so i guess this time something must have went wrong?! also the program isnt there must be a problem?!
16:20<themill>barkel: program compiles and runs just fine here. We really need exact error messages.
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16:20<mjt>and the command line too
16:20<mjt>used to compile it
16:21<barkel>ok so what do you need,...iam just getting used to all this stuff at the moment. i can only offer that what the terminal says.. ah ok
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16:21<barkel>gcc -o x.c x
16:21<mjt>it's the other way 'round
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16:21<mjt>looks lie you ruined your x.c
16:21<themill>barkel: back to front.... try gcc -o x x.c
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16:21<themill>lucky there's a backup in the pastebin
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16:22<barkel>well wait a second...
16:23<barkel>hm ok its compiling....ouh that is a really stupid fault. sorry guys
16:23<barkel>but nevertheless the output is wrong ;)
16:23<mjt>is it?
16:23<barkel>here its about 0.0
16:24<barkel>it should multiply 1/n * 1/n-1 etc
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16:24<mjt>it's not
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16:24<mjt>it's not wrong
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16:24<mjt>it's multiplies several zeros together
16:24<whisky>Hey guys. I just installed Debian. I'm new in linux. I have problem with installing nvidia drivers. I can't use uppercase letters in runlevel 3. What should i do?
16:25<bja>!tell whisky about nvidia
16:25<barkel>ah there is a logical problem
16:25<barkel>thanks ^^
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16:25<mjt>barkel: basic C rules, read them please.
16:25<themill>barkel: you never initialise x.
16:25<mjt>barkel: any C book will do
16:25<mjt>themill: he does
16:26<themill>oh, misread. yeah
16:26<mjt>a bit.. strange, but it works
16:26<barkel>ok yes iam sorry..just making my first steps
16:26<barkel>so far thanks to all
16:27<m42>barkel, you're doing an integer division in 1/n...
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16:28<barkel>yes youre right...
16:28<m42>you'll need a "float" there..
16:28<mjt>1.0/n will do
16:28<mjt>but that's a classical trap described in any C book
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16:31<whisky>apt-get install nvidia-glx${VERSION} ... what is this {version} from driver or kernel?
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16:39<jordanm>whisky: aptitude install nvidia-glx; is fine (you may need to specify a release with -t if you are builing drivers from another release)
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16:43<chealer_>whisky: it's the driver version
16:43<chealer_>whisky: are you following the wiki guide?
16:43<chealer_>whisky: why can't you use uppercase letters?
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16:49<jordanm>chealer_: the nvidia guide for w/e reason uses that ${VERSION} string even though its not required... e.g. nvidia-kernel${VERSION}-source (the package in nvidia-kernel-source)
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17:00<chealer_>jordanm: right. the string can be empty
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17:07<explicit_>hey guys, i've recently installed debian, i'm following some tutorial where it says exit, log back in but purposely enter the wrong password, log back in and you should see a failure to login message, but i don't
17:08<explicit_>do i need to install something else?
17:08<explicit_>i'm following this
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17:09<jhutchins_lt>explicit_: We don't know what you _do_ see.
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17:15<explicit_>when i log in on the actual server i get to see the message "1 failure since last login" but not through telnet on another machine
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17:21<jhutchins_lt>explicit_: I'm afraid you didn't pick the best install guide, that one's got a lot of bad advice.
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17:29<rsw>:) thx
17:29<rsw>is this support also ? :D
17:29<babilen>this is nothing but support :)
17:29<babilen>(and the occasional joke)
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17:30<rsw>wel im having some troube booting after fresh install of debian :(
17:30<babilen>pray continue
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17:31<rsw>cant make pastbin but can do screenshot :)
17:32<babilen>You could also try to describe the issue - You could use picpaste or imgur for the screenshot though
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17:35<rsw>there was ubuntu studio on before maybe that did something with mbr dunno
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17:37<explicit_>thanks for your help
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17:40<jaym>hello to all, I got debian squeeze on an HP Pavilion dv7 and everything works great except for the speakers, it's not that they do not respond but that when I unmute them an infinite loop noise begins, anyone knows how to fix that?
17:40<babilen>rsw: Hmm, I'm getting a little tired now - If nobody here can help you try your luck in #debian on
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17:41<rsw>ok wel thx for looking :)
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17:42<theillestfool>bumblebee tuna
17:42<babilen>rsw: I would chroot into the system and check your fstab - /msg dpkg fixmbr
17:43<rsw>in that console ?
17:43<fabioz>hi.. in squeeze, anyone know how to config the nautilus, to default file manager with full resources?
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17:45<bja>rsw: try pasting your /etc/fstab file
17:45<respire>is it possible to do dpkg -S for multiple files at once, i.e. so i can get a list of files dpkg doesn't recognise
17:45<respire>or use another tool to do it
17:45<respire>brb 10 minutes
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17:46<locklace>!tell respire about dlocate
17:46<bja>Is there a safe way to upgrade from etch to lenny using only apt-get?
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17:48<babilen>rsw: Which filesystem did you use for '/' ?
17:48<m42>bja, apt-get dist-upgrade
17:48<bja>m42: is it as safe as aptitude?
17:48<m42>bja, i don't use aptitude... don't know
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17:48<babilen>bja: The process is detailed in the release notes :)
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17:49*bja goes AGAIN to read the release notes ;P
17:49<babilen>!tell bja about etch->lenny
17:50<bja>!beer babilen
17:50*dpkg deftly decants a fine Bornem Tripple for babilen
17:50<babilen>bja: Thank you - but i'll be even more tired now - I'll stick to my red wine :)
17:51<babilen>rsw: Still there?
17:51<rsw>dont have all those commands available in that initramfs shel :s
17:51*bja decants a fine Vega Sicilia 1982 crop for babilen
17:51<rsw>there isnt even a fstab file there
17:52<babilen>rsw: Are you sure that you installed Debian correctly? (into sdb1?)
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17:52<rsw>i followed the installer
17:52<jaym>no one knows how to solve sound issues on an HP Pavilion dv7?
17:53<theillestfool>someone help get this guy some sound
17:53<babilen>jaym: It's just the internal speakers or sound in general?
17:53<babilen>bah - worked enough today :)
17:53<babilen>good luck #debian
17:53<theillestfool>later babs
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17:54<jaym>babilen sound in general
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17:55<theillestfool>lol i think babilen is done w/ customer service
17:56<bja>!tell jaym about alsa-checklist
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17:56<bja>theillestfool: he is a volunteer, and his local time is around 01:00 hrs
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17:56<bja>so please be respectful
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17:59<bja>rsw: can you look into /etc/fstab?
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17:59<rsw>wel thats just it in that shell im now stuck in that file isnt there
18:00<rsw>only 3 files
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18:00<bja>do you still have the instalation cd?
18:00<rsw>modprobe.d scsi_id.config dev
18:00<rsw>still plugged in
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18:01<jaym>bja, the speakers have sound out of the box, the problem is that as soon as they're activated/unmuted they output an infinte loop noise, i'm am part of the sound group
18:01<bja>ok boot from it in rescue mode
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18:01<bja>jaym: unplug the microphone
18:01<bja>and test
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18:03<rsw>its starting up in that mode
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18:03<bja>jaym: run alsamixer and decrease the input volume for the microphone
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18:05<jaym>bja done
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18:05<rsw>is that the installer all over ?
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18:09<bja>jaym: did it work ?
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18:10<bja>rsw: no, enter the rescue mode,
18:10<jaym>bja, no, the sound card seems to be active, but all I can hear is that beep-beep-beep-beep that goes on forever, are there any compat issues with Linux and HP?
18:11<rsw>its still loading^_^
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18:11<bja>no that i know of
18:11<bja>jaym: bip bip bip or a continuous high pitched noise¡
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18:12<rsw>its mors code :D
18:13<jaym>it's not uniform, it's like a basketball bouncing really fast on an empty stadium
18:13<bja>rsw: you have your own troubles stick to them ;P
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18:13<rsw>couldnt resist sorry :)
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18:16<rsw>ok wich partition should i pick cos its 1 files system and swap but have 3 choices one got to be extender do u know wich one to pick :D
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18:17<bja>rsw: ok your english knowledge might be far greater than mine (not a native speaker) but if you use incomplete words or letters instead of words i do have a really difficult time
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18:18<rsw>have to pick root file system but only have 2 partitions 1 file system and 1 swap but have 3 choises
18:19<rsw>sdb1 sdb2 sdb5
18:20<rsw>think its 1 -__-
18:20<bja>rsw: can you get to a tty?
18:20<bja>with ctr alt f1
18:20<rsw>not yet
18:21<rsw>just gonna try that one
18:23<rsw>i got a shell in my hd
18:23<jaym>bja I played a .wav file and the noise stoped and then clic on it again it played normally, then I closed the player (totem) and someone sent me a nudge on amsn and the noise came back, does this give you a clue?
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18:24<retrospectacus>rsw: fdisk -l
18:24<retrospectacus>that will tell you what partitions you have going on
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18:25<rsw>yup you wanna see ?
18:25<bja>jaym: play something else and turn the amsn off
18:25<retrospectacus>umm I don't know what your original problem was but you should pastebin the list, don't paste it here
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18:25<rsw>ah uhm
18:26<rsw>wait gonna send link again
18:26<rsw>trouble booting after fresh install :s
18:26<bja>retrospectacus: in a nutshell can't boot ends up on busybox because hdd is not recognized
18:26<rsw>that ^^
18:28<rsw>have whats in fstab
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18:29<retrospectacus>it appears you have some ext3/ext4 mismatching going on
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18:29<retrospectacus>change your fstab from ext3 to ext4
18:29<retrospectacus>*change the / line in fstab
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18:30<rsw>but i formated ext3 but yea before i think it was ext4 with ubuntu studio :s
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18:33<jaym>bja, ok, this is how its behaving, the noise is playing , then I trigger anything with sound and it plays properly and the noise stops, until whenever I trigger any sound again and the the sound plays properly but the noise comes back
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18:34<bja>jaym: the sound is generated by your wm?
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18:35<jaym>bja I'm using gnome so I suppose it is
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18:40<edbian>What should I do in the name of security on my debian system? Should I be running virus scans or malware scans?
18:41<rsw>aint there some other text editor then vi in recovery mode ?
18:41<rsw>i have no querty keyboard :s
18:42<bja>no editor will work on recovery mode with something else
18:43<respire>is there a way to fully escape a string so grep interprets it as a string literal (had it been lackin the quotes)?
18:43<respire>someone must have regexpd this
18:44<respire>dont make me do it myself it will take an hour lol
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18:44<themill>respire: so you mean grep's -F option?
18:44<respire>themill, I can't use it
18:45<respire>themill, I want to pass dlocate a list of files and have it tell me the ones it knows nothing about
18:45<respire>the fastest way to do that is just to escape all the file names and pass the lot with xargs
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18:45<respire>(fastest to achieve - or so i think)
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18:46<themill>respire: what are you actually trying to do?
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18:46<respire>themill, remove all the file names from a list in a text file that belong to debian packages
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18:48<jaym>bja I think the driver is corrupt or is not compatible with the sound card, because I just noticed that the infinite noise I hear is the last played sound's 1/4th of a second repeating itself
18:49<bja>jaym: lspci -nn
18:49<respire>i can prob do something with sort uniq and the .list files quicker right
18:49<bja>take the number in brackets and do /msg judd pciid xxxx:xxxx it should shed some light on the matter
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18:51<jaym>where can I paste the result?
18:51<respire>i can in fact, i can cat the whole .list files twice, sort them, add in my files, sort again, then print only uniques
18:51<respire>there you go 5 minute dirty hack
18:51<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>.
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18:55<ml|>edbian: you should take a look at ... /msg dpkg securing debian
18:55<bja>, pciid 8086:293e
18:55<judd>[8086:293e] is '82801I (ICH9 Family) HD Audio Controller' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel module 'snd-hda-intel' in lenny. See also and the out-of-tree 'snd-hda-intel' module.
18:55<edbian>ml|, Thanks
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18:57<bja>jaym: lsmod|grep snd
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18:57<rsw>its me again ^^
18:57<themill>respire: or "grep -f filelist -F -x /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.list" will give you a list of all the files that do match and then you can invert that list if you want.
18:57*bja hides
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18:57<rsw>is there no other text editor then v ? in rescue mode ?
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18:59<m42>rsw, nano might be available.. don't know for sure....
18:59<rsw>it isnt :'
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19:00<m42>well... now i know :P
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19:02<rsw>cant even see al available commands when pressing help
19:02<bja>jaym: ok, it is kind of strange your snd modules but it should work.
19:02<bja>jaym: sorry i can't spot the underlying problem
19:03<respire>themill, grep -h -f gnome-panel-files -F -x /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.list
19:03<respire>much simpler and it works perfectly thank you
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19:03<jaym>bja, i understand, it's very weird, but thanks for trying
19:03<themill>respire: no worries
19:04<bja>jaym: what wm are you using gnome kde, rat ?
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19:04<ml|>might want to try removing that mod and insert it again?
19:05<respire>hrm it's not working
19:05<jaym>bja, gnome, I also got awesome installed
19:05<bja>jaym: try awsome for a change and try to spot the same there
19:06<bja>just for the sake of ruling out a problem with the wm
19:06<respire>btw how can i descrew my clipboard after installing xclip
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19:22<jay__>bja, everything works great in awesome apparently :-S
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19:29<rsw>im back was able to change the ext3 to ex4 but got same error on boot
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19:30<rsw>still wont boot :(
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19:33<respire>wonder why it doesn't work?
19:34<rsw>could it be cos mbr is fked cos of previous ubuntu installation ?
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19:43<m42>rsw, have you tried rebuilding the partitions ?
19:44<respire>well it is working
19:44<respire>it's just not quite what i want, i want it to do what it is doing but display files that are NOT in the list of -x
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19:45<respire>using -v doesn't work because it displays all fiels in -x that aren't in my file list too
19:45<respire>still easy to solve from here
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19:45<rsw>i have deleted all partitions thats the weird thing
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19:45<m42>rsw weird indeed...
19:46<respire>just one more list compare
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19:46<m42>i could suggest zeroing the mbr....
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19:46<rsw>how u do that
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19:47<m42>you can try with dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdx bs=512 count=1
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19:47<m42>if you have dd available....
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19:48<rsw>yea have dd in rescue mode
19:48<rsw>so that command and then reinstall ?
19:49<m42>yes, but please make sure your of parameter is correct
19:49<m42>you don't want to zero out the wrong mbr ....
19:49<rsw>only 2 hds :-)
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19:50<m42>dd can be a very dangerous command :)
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19:51<rsw>hope i will only need it once will try to reinstall now
19:51<rsw>hope that works
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19:51<rsw>it sais 515 bytes copied
19:51<rsw>hope that good xD
19:52<m42>me too....
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20:00<Mr_Queue>Are there no md5sums for DVD iso?
20:01<streuner__>usually on the website itself
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20:02<Mr_Queue>None here.
20:03<streuner__>hm, just download it via http, torrent is no fun
20:03<streuner__>might be helpful at release times, but not yet
20:04<Mr_Queue>Well all 5 are about 3/5th complete.
20:04<streuner__>netinstall is enough to install
20:05<dpkg>from memory, netinst is a small CD image with which you can install Debian. If, during the installation process you have a working Internet connection, you can install more packages straight away, otherwise, you will have a base install and more packages later. See See also <check iso image>, <dialup install>, <usb install>, <installer>.
20:05<sortadi>I'm having an issue with grub2
20:05<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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20:06<streuner__>Mr_Queue: most people just use a small install-media to install a basic Debian System, after that you install everything else...
20:06<sortadi>Grub2 just lasts too much to load
20:06<sortadi>and it displays this messages: error: no such disk, error: out of disk
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20:08<Mr_Queue>streuner__: I'm headed North for a while.. = NO connection..
20:09<rsw>!ask whoami
20:09<streuner__>Mr_Queue: Debian makes no fun without a good i-net connection
20:09<Mr_Queue>I know all about installing Debian many different ways. I personally enjoy debootstrap.
20:10<beeer>I ran the command update-rc.d nagios and I am getting the error "missing LSB info". Anyone know what that is?
20:11<beeer>Mr_Queue: have you installed on the sheevaplug?
20:11<themill>!missing LSB info
20:11<dpkg>From squeeze onwards, Debian is using a dependency-based boot sequence (see /usr/share/doc/sysv-rc/README.Debian). This requires that all init scripts have appropriate headers in them so that the correct order of execution can be determined. Scripts like S25libdevmapper1.02 are left over from Sarge and can be deleted; your own scripts will need LSB headers added:
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20:15<Mr_Queue>beeer: No I haven't. I read all about it.
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20:16<Mr_Queue>beeer: I ordered one forever ago but ended up canceling the order. It was back ordered for 8-9 weeks.
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20:20<m42>rsw, any results yet ?
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20:22<bruce>thanks for your help dpkg
20:22<sookster54>is there a known issue with the rt2800usb module? I'm using a d-link DWA 130 wireless USB stick and it seems to not work even though it lists wlan0
20:22<rsw>its rebooting now
20:22<rsw>tum tum
20:23<bruce>I lost the connection for a while. I think my hard drive is going down.
20:23<rsw>same error
20:23<m42>rsw, real weird...
20:24<m42>i guess i'm out of ideas....
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20:26<rsw>i have this error on boot
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20:27<nostmith>any idea what exactly cpu family:15, model:6, stepping:5 means? i'm trying to figure out which procesor is this one
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20:27<sookster54>whoa no titlebar in fluxbox lol
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20:29<sookster54>!dpkg rt2800usb
20:29<dpkg>The Ralink RT2800U[D] USB chipset (RT2870) is supported by the rt2x00 project's rt2800usb driver, included in the mainline Linux kernel since 2.6.31-rc1. Firmware is required, ask me about <ralink firmware> and install firmware-ralink 0.17 or later. Be sure to <blacklist> rt2870sta prior to use. For the vendor driver (more usable but amd64, i386 only), ask me about <rt2870sta>.
20:29<beeer>does anyone have the sheevaplug?
20:30<sookster54>oooh blacklist
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20:31<beeer>I want to install debian on the sheevaplug.
20:31<sookster54>!dpkg ralink firmware
20:31<dpkg>Firmware from userspace is required by the <rt61pci> and <rt73usb> drivers. It is also required by the <rt2860sta>, <rt2870sta>, <rt2800usb> and <rt3090sta> drivers available in Squeeze's 2.6.32 kernel. Ask me about <non-free sources>, then install the firmware-ralink package to provide.
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20:35<abrotman>beeer: google "debian sheeva" .. you sohuld get a link to an installation guide
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20:36<beeer>abrotman: I was more interested in knowing how the machine performed.
20:36<abrotman>oh try #debian-arm
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20:37<beeer>abrotman: okay
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20:38<sookster54>none of the rt drivers are working for me, I end up using ndiswrapper and windows driver but it stops working after a few mins :(
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20:39<beeer>#debian-arm seems lifeless
20:40<abrotman>beeer: you might have to be patient .. they'd know the most probably .. but it's a smaller channel
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20:42<sookster54>oh yeah I've seen those sheeveplugs before, they're weird
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20:42<beeer>sookster54: I want to save energy.
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20:44<sookster54>solid state HDD :D
20:44<abrotman>beeer: what do you want to know about it?
20:45<abrotman>if you haven't found that already
20:45<sookster54>I'm looking at a sheeva that has a Debian sticker on it lmao
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20:46<beeer>abrotman: I want to know a real persons experience with it. Like is it slow.
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20:46<beeer>sookster54: i want one of those too.
20:46<abrotman>beeer: this is largely going to depend on what you're actually doing with it
20:46<sookster54>just reading this
20:47<sookster54>reminds me alot of that small webcam server made in Japan years ago, it was a little smaller than that sheeva
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20:48<beeer>sookster54: that is super cool! I might do that.
20:48<sookster54>if I had one I'd do it in a heartbeat, I like doing ports, I helped develop NetBSD for the Dreamcast a decade ago lol
20:49<sookster54>ok now back to my original problem, my stupid D-Link DWA 130 usb wireless stick that refuses to work with the rt drivers, works with ndiswrapper for about 2-3 minutes then I'd have to restart the system lol
20:50<sookster54>cant find any info about it :(
20:50<dpkg>The D-Link DWA-130 "Wireless N USB Adapter" is a 802.11n device. No driver is available for the original (Marvell W8360USB, USB-ID 07d1:3b11), ask me about <ndiswrapper>. For revision B (USB-ID 07d1:3c13), ask about <rt2800usb>. For revision C1 (USB-ID 2001:3301), ask about <rtl8192su>. Revision D (USB-ID 07d1:3a0f) is not claimed by <ar9170usb>. For revisions C2 (USB-ID 07d1:3302) and E (USB-ID 07d1:3300), ask about <rtl8192su>.
20:50<dpkg>rumour has it, lvm is the Linux Logical Volume Manager ( Resources:,, <lvm_tutorial>, <lvm removedisk>, <lvm movelv>, <install using lvm>,, IRC: #lvm on
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20:50<sookster54>hmm rt8192su will try that one
20:51<beeer>what does that mean, an apostrophe before the word?
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20:51<sookster54>oh wait where do I find the usb ID
20:52<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, beer is liquid gold mate
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20:53<beeer>I'm new here. I just heard about l33t a few days ago.
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20:53<dpkg>well, sos is you fuckin' blew it
20:53<rsw>you can say that again
20:54<rsw>its just my problem is an sos xD
20:54<sookster54>my stick is 07b1:3c13 for rt2800usb but that driver don't work lol
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20:57<beeer>Do I have to compile my kernel to get e-sata to work?
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20:59<sookster54>don't think so, it should be part of the mobo's sata bridge
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21:00<beeer>I tried to connet a drive using e-sata and got nothing.
21:01<abrotman>which kernel ?
21:01<sookster54>gonna reboot and see if this dumb thing works
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21:02<beeer>kernel 2.6.31-21
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21:02<nostmith>any idea what exactly cpu family:15, model:6, stepping:5 means? i'm trying to figure out which procesor is this one
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21:03<beeer>Oops that is not the kernel I am using
21:03<beeer>I am using the default deb lenny kernel
21:03<rsw>atleast yours boots xD
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21:08<bzed>nostmith: Intel(R) Pentium(R) D CPU 3.40GHz :)
21:10<bzed>nostmith: stepping just means, that the cpu design or production changed sligtly to fix bugs or optimize it
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21:10<bzed>nostmith: so family:15, model:6 is interesting for you, and thats what mentioned in the model name
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21:11<nostmith>i need to find out the model number, to know if it has virtualization support, without goig on the other side of the country...
21:11<bzed>nostmith: look at the flags for that
21:11<rsw>im out of ideas :(((
21:11<nostmith>bzed, where exactly?
21:11<nostmith>oh, not those
21:11<nostmith>it might be deactivated from bios
21:11<bja>!tell nostmith about xve
21:12<rsw>does somebody know how to fix this error i have after fresh install of debian ?
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21:12<nostmith>bja, checked that one already. atm seems to not be enabled. i don't want to make a 2 days trip just to look into the bios and find out that is not available at all...
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21:13<bja>nostmith: if it is not available form /proc/cpuinfo then you've got nothing to do with the bios
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21:14<sookster54>grr still only works via ndiswrapper
21:14<bja>it might show up on /proc/cpuinfo and still not work. Then you course of action would be to set it up on the bios. Dell does that crap a lot
21:14<bzed>nostmith: your mainboard might just not support it
21:14<bzed>or there might be no way to enable it
21:14<nostmith>the mainbord supports it
21:15<bja>but not your cpu
21:15<nostmith>this why i need to know exactly which model it is...
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21:16<bja>nostmith: if the flag does not show up on the cpuinfo you don't have virtualization period there is nothing more to it
21:17<bzed>nostmith: its a presler or presler XE according to wikipedia
21:17<bja>you would need to change cpu to get it. I have a server with the same crapy procesor as you and it does not support virtualization
21:17<bzed> < nostmith
21:17<nostmith>and it might be a 945 or 950
21:18<nostmith>but i can't find a way to figure which one actually is
21:19<bzed>nostmith: but chances are good that the processor does *not* support it, I think the virtualization flags should be displayed even when disabled in bios
21:20<bja>bzed: thx, at least you read what i posted
21:20<nostmith>quote from xve factoid: "Note that Intel VT (IVT) support may be switched off in firmware for some implementations"
21:20<nostmith>i read it bja, for the 35th time now :))
21:21<bja>and then the xve flag will not show up on /proc/cpuinfo
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21:22<bzed>dell sold such crap in workstations
21:22<bzed>same cpu, but with vt disabled...
21:22<nostmith>but how can i know if is switched off without going on the other side of the country and looking in the bios menus? that is the question. :))
21:22<bzed>nostmith: your cpu does not support it. even if you swithch it on in the bios.
21:22<bja>nostmith: it is not the bios where you check if it is swithced of it is the firmware of the microprocessor
21:23<bja>nostmith: if it showed it could very well be turned off on the bios, but that is not your case
21:23*bja likes amd hw since then
21:24*bzed always liked amd stuff
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21:24<bzed>c2d is just the better option in notebooks unfortunately
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21:24<bja>i've heard turion is giving a proper fight
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21:25<bzed>bja: only if you find notebooks with the cpu
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21:25<bzed>bja: otherwise its just a loss for amd
21:26<bja>Well i've done some researching and there are a few brands that do support it.
21:28<sookster54>I like the AMD NV40 dual myself
21:28<rsw>where can i get older version of debian ?
21:28<bzed>rsw: how old?
21:28<sookster54>some of those intel netbook chips don't even support 64bit lol
21:29<sookster54>how old? slinky, potato, woody? lol
21:29<bzed>rsw: for the really old stuff
21:29<rsw>older then the 5.04 cos this aint working wanna see if it makes diffrence
21:29<sookster54>try the 4.4r
21:29<abrotman>rsw: what is the filesystem on / ?
21:30<bzed>rsw: what is not working?
21:30<rsw>my fresh install :s
21:30<rsw>of debian
21:30<bzed>then an older version won't help :)
21:30<bzed>rsw: and what does *is not working* mean?
21:30<aiux> ^^
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21:31<rsw>prrt this was on there before but then i wanted to try ubuntu studio
21:31<rsw>wich i now regret
21:31<rsw>yea aiux that error ;o
21:31<sookster54>ubuntu is a little weird, mint was cool
21:32<sookster54>my netbook runs mint 9
21:33<rsw>wel its not rly for the desktop
21:33<sookster54>what's the issue anyhow?
21:33<aiux>sookster54, see link above ^^
21:33<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
21:34<riisen>rsw, try telling it that youre disk is ext4
21:34<sookster54>lol I had to
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21:34<sookster54>ext4... I don't trust that FS... yet
21:34<sookster54>deb won't touch ext4
21:34<rsw>yea tried that earlier but dint work even cleared my mbr
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21:35<rsw>but why is it looking for /root and not just /
21:35<bja>rsw: try this. reformat your hdd and then reinstall debian. It should work
21:35<sookster54>yeah reformatting is the way
21:36<rsw>have tried that it works with lvm but then i also get errors on boot and cant modify kernel and boot from it cos it cant find the kernel i recompiled
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21:37<sookster54>boot a Windows CD, format the drive, then boot the deb CD and see if it'll reformat
21:37<riisen>rsw, mount -t ext4 /dev/sdb1 /
21:38<rsw>in that infram shel ?
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21:38<rsw>or initramfs
21:38<rsw>getting late
21:39<riisen>well i think initramfs should have mount :P
21:39<riisen>not sure tho
21:40<rsw>cannot read /etc/fstab no such file ... i only can acces that when i boot from cd in recovery mode
21:40<bja>busybox has it
21:40<rsw>busybox is being stupd :p
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21:40<sookster54>does it kernel panic?
21:40<bja>rsw: tell busybox first to mount /
21:41<bja>with all the parameters involved
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21:41<rsw>it keeps saying no fstab :s
21:41<rsw>when i try to mount
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21:43<rsw>i see the hds in dev but cant mount
21:43<aiux>rsw, which is your mount command ?
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21:43<rsw>mount /dev/sdb1
21:43<rsw>then it tells me no fstab
21:43<aiux> mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt ?
21:44<aiux>ls /mnt/etc/fstab
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21:45<rsw>no /mnt
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21:45<aiux>mkdir mnt , then ..
21:45<rsw>its like a pretty basic linux in that shell
21:47<rsw>still no fstab
21:47<rsw>should i make such afile
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21:48<aiux>rsw, you have to know where you installed , disk , partition etc ...
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21:49<riisen>rsw, try to ls -l /dev/sdb1
21:49<rsw>gonna try that windows cd thing
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21:49<bja>rsw: try what aiux is saying, believe me he knows what he is talking about
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21:50<rsw>trying but not working :(
21:50<dpkg>BusyBox combines tiny versions of many common UNIX utilities into a single small executable. It provides minimalist replacements for most of the utilities you usually find in GNU coreutils, util-linux, etc. #uclibc on
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21:51*nostmith damn crap. finaly found out the cpuid string and indeed IVT si not enabled.
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21:52<bja>nostmith: whe is the cpuid string you mention?
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21:53<nostmith>read this for more details.
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21:54<bja>!br kurumin
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21:56<rsw>this gonna be epic how u fix your server i formatted hd using windows xp cd ^^
21:57<nostmith>bja, cpu family:15 model:6 stepping:5 can be 'translated' to cpuid string, in my case is 0F65h and this proves that the processor doesn't have IVT enabled. usually i'm totally wrong, but this time i'm afraid i'm not...
21:58<bja>nostmith: thx interesting how you managed how to get the cpuid string
21:59<nostmith>and i hopped so badlly to have virtualization support. now i'm forced to use openvz. damn.
21:59<nostmith>well, not my idea
21:59<rsw>lol my server dont like my xp cd oO
22:00<nostmith>blank window after loading drivers?
22:00<rsw>checking computer hardware
22:00<nostmith>that is because crappy windows can't understand the MBR
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22:01<nostmith>unless you dd zero on the mbr you have no chance to make windows see that hdd
22:01<rsw>done that earlier and then tried reinstall same error
22:01<bja>for the matter do a dd zero to the full disk it should fix your troubles also
22:01<rsw>could the other hd be the problem ?
22:02<nostmith>try to use only one and see
22:02<nostmith>if it had grub or some other non-windows mbr it might be
22:02<rsw>wel im using one for the install dunno if i can disable a hd in bios
22:03<nostmith>yes you do, but i think windows will stil see it, not sure, ages since i used windows
22:03<nostmith>well more than a year anyway, haha
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22:04<rsw>cant disable hd in bios :(
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22:04<nostmith>set it to non used or something like that
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22:07<rsw>no idea how :p
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22:10<nostmith>bja, on the other hand, it seems that the cpuid string is on 2 different processors; 0F65h is on the SL9K8 but also on the SL9QQ one. still not a good way to find out exactly, which one is it...
22:12<rsw>i do notice in grub the first line root (hd0,0) but in installation when i needed to chooce hd there were 000 instaid and the second hd was 010
22:12<rsw>or is that normal :p
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22:12<nostmith>hd0,0 is the 1st partition on the 1st hdd
22:15<rsw>need a break
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22:16*bja desperatly tries to move the channel
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22:18<riisen>rsw, what does "ls -l /dev/sdb1" give you?
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22:21<bja>Does any know a way to change the mysql root users pwd. I just realized i forgot it
22:21<gsimmons>dpkg: tell bja -about ifmrp
22:22<bja>gsimmons: thx
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22:58<mib_ij6scp>is there a installer script in live cd? i'm on lenny live cd
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22:59<mib_ij6scp>howto install? i saw few wikis didn't help, should i download an installer cd?
22:59<dpkg>netinst is probably a small CD image with which you can install Debian. If, during the installation process you have a working Internet connection, you can install more packages straight away, otherwise, you will have a base install and more packages later. See See also <check iso image>, <dialup install>, <usb install>, <installer>.
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23:02<mib_ij6scp>abrotman: i have the stable release iso burnt, can't install from this is it?
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23:02<abrotman>release of what?
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23:02<abrotman>which ISO?
23:03<mib_ij6scp>full CD/DVD sets
23:03<mib_ij6scp>i download the cd image, 700mb
23:03<abrotman>that's fine .. use that
23:04<mib_ij6scp>i'm on it as of now, not seeing any installer
23:04<abrotman>not hte liveCD
23:04<mib_ij6scp>o! ok :(
23:04<mib_ij6scp>i got the live cd
23:04<abrotman>right .. doesn't intsall .. get the real CD1 or the netinst
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23:06<mib_ij6scp>i'm on amd is amd64-CD-1.iso enough?
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23:08<riisen>mib_ij6scp, amd64 does not mean its for amd processors.. amd64 means 64bit
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23:09<riisen>so if you have a processor that can handle 64bit os then amd64 is good ^^
23:09<mib_ij6scp>riisen: okies, me on 64bit machine, getting netboot, my network is stable but not fast, actually got a livecd thinking it will have a installer but didnt find, now try for a netboot, 5dvd's is pretty massive size
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23:11<riisen>5 dvd's o.O
23:15<riisen>mib_ij6scp, oh., im assuming you didnt read "The first CD/DVD disk contains all the files necessary to install a standard Debian system."
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23:22<rsw>back any new bright minds to help me with my problem :D
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23:25<luis>hay alguien ahi?
23:25<luis>anybody in there?
23:26<luis>y a qlq'1?
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23:30<luis>i'm boreed
23:30<dpkg>BusyBox combines tiny versions of many common Unix utilities into a single small executable. It provides minimalist replacements for most of the utilities you usually find in GNU coreutils, util-linux, etc. #uclibc on
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23:31<simonrvn>luis: we're not your entertainment here.
23:31<luis>yes you are
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23:35<riisen>rsw, what does ls -l /dev/sdb1 give you ?
23:36<simonrvn>rsw is gone
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23:36<riisen>damn im blind :P
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