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#debian IRC Logs for 2010-05-23

---Logopened Sun May 23 00:00:56 2010
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00:11<sean>are you guys bots
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00:12<enki>join #debian-boot
00:12<enki>oops, sorry :-X
00:12<sean>haha noob
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00:12<enki>sean: even the mightiest among us still fall victim to bad keyboards
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01:02<bja>!moo
01:02<dpkg>mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. aplay /usr/lib/openoffice/basis-link/share/gallery/sounds/cow.wav
01:02<sean>hi
01:03<bja>low
01:03<sean>are you new
01:03<bja>more or less
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01:08<sean>they say debian is for noobs. discuss
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01:09<bja>What do you want to do with debian?
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01:09<sean>is debian better than ubuntu?
01:09<bja>What do you want to do with debian?
01:09<sean>regular desktop use
01:10<bja>define
01:10<sean>just surf word processing etc
01:10<craigevil>sean: so install Debian
01:10<sean>craigevil, is debian better than ubuntu?
01:10-!-Web-sidux632 [~Web-sidux@89.122.108.24] has joined #debian
01:11<bja>sean: Any distro with X will do
01:11<Web-sidux632>Hi all
01:11<bja>!sidux
01:11<dpkg>rumour has it, sidux is a live distribution <based on Debian> Sid, with a special focus on clean and easy hard disk installation. It is <OT> in #debian. Please /join #sidux on irc.oftc.net.
01:11<sean>hey Web-sidux632
01:12<Web-sidux632>howto find istalled packages and their versions ?
01:12<sean>try synaptic pakage manager
01:12<Web-sidux632>hey sean ?
01:12<bja>dpkg -l
01:12<dpkg>bja: I give up, what is it?
01:12<Web-sidux632>with apt
01:12<craigevil>Web-sidux632: apt-cache policy foo
01:12<Web-sidux632>and for all ?
01:13<bja>sean: There is no better or worst distro. in the end it all ads to the way you got your work done and how fast you managed to do it.
01:13<bja>Web-sidux632: dpkg -l
01:13<Web-sidux632>ok
01:13<bja>man dpkg / -l for a complete explanation
01:13<Web-sidux632>i will do
01:13<sean>is debian more secure than ubuntu
01:14<bja>sean: Where are you trying to go?
01:14<Web-sidux632>and i/ve done already but is so much info's ........ :)
01:14<bja>Web-sidux632: redirect to a file for further analysis
01:15<sean>can debian be hack
01:15<sean>easier than ubuntu
01:15<bja>sean: meanning?
01:15<bja>Be more specific about it
01:15<Web-sidux632>thanks for the idea bja
01:15<bja>np good luck
01:16<craigevil>!tell sean about why debian
01:17<Web-sidux632>i'm a newbie to debian and a least for me debian is so interesting
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01:20<sean>sry guys but ubuntu owns
01:21<bja>sean: if you say so. It is obvious that your needs are different than ours.
01:21<sean>what do you use it for anyway
01:21<bja>Obviously things you don't
01:22<Web-sidux632>a few years ago if debian didn't existed ................ won't exist ubuntu
01:22<sean>can you give an example
01:22<Web-sidux632>today
01:23<Web-sidux632>ubuntu hasn't developed the initial debian tools
01:23<bja>tor, the developers asked the ubuntu guys to drop them since they couldn't keep up with maintenance. The debian package has become the norm there
01:23<Web-sidux632>and ubuntu use them
01:24<bja>and there are a lot of extra examples. If you only walk the beaten path then ubuntu is for you. if you don't and you are not proficient in compiling from souce your own packages, then yo have to make a compromise
01:26<Web-sidux632>does anybody knows if exists an util-linux bug in sid that prevents e2fsprogs installing in chroot?
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01:26<bja>!broken in sid
01:26<dpkg>Well, duh, what'd you expect, of course it's broken. See <sid>.
01:27<bja>!btssmite Web-sidux632
01:27*dpkg beats Web-sidux632 around the head repeatedly with http://bugs.debian.org/ and apt-listbugs, along with a chainsaw if Web-sidux632 is running testing or unstable
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01:31<aranax_>!maldecir apagón
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02:32<EmleyMoor>Is there a program in Debian that can take two graphic files which share a common area and merge them together into one? (something that's too wide for scanning whole?)
02:33<Recku>I know one... Picassa (Google manufacturing)
02:34<Recku>But you can't find it in default repositories.... search it in google ;) Good luck
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02:42<cahoot>EmleyMoor: the montage app in imagemagick?
02:42<EmleyMoor>cahoot: Thanks - will look into that
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02:58<Guest1171>Hey people my question is not debian specific but maybe smb would be willing to help. it is about connecting to Internet. My provider is using IP4 protocol (no dhcp) that is to connect I must know the IP address, default gateway, etc and to configure my eth connection manually. However I observe that under XP there is no need to enter these numbers and even no need to know them! I have just chosen "attribute IP address automatically etc" ac
02:58<Guest1171>tually this was the only way for me to get these numbers. Now i connect to internet through debian everything is fine. HOWEVER: is there a program under debian which can determine automatically the IP etc? (this is about the local networks LAN) it is a pity to have to use XP each time when I hve a new provider! -- thanks
03:05<cahoot>your description doesn't make much sense (to me anyway)
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03:06<cahoot>or rather: I can't make much sense of your description
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03:07<Guest1171>cahoot thanks for the information. both your phrases are very clear and make much sense for me.
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03:12<cahoot>Guest1171: you get a fixed IP from your ISP and XP can in some mysterious way figure out that IP without dhcp involved?
03:13<cahoot>s/fixed/static/
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03:14<Guest1171>cahoot : i don not know how XP does it - anyway I tried DHCP under debian first ad it did not work
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03:15<Guest1171>i just know that in the instructions of my provider I should have chosen "automatic attribution of IP address"
03:15<Guest1171>I did it
03:16<Guest1171>then the connection established and I got the IP address
03:16<Guest1171>now I am connected from my linux machine using these numbers
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03:22<cahoot>Guest1171: so running dgclient in a terminal gives no result and no information at all about what's going on between your system and your ISP?
03:22<cahoot>dhclient
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03:43<Web-sidux632>dhclient eth0 ...
03:43<Web-sidux632>or eth1
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04:34<Web-sidux632>hi
04:35<Web-sidux632>when an error as: failed to query source uris for gcc-4.2 may occur please ?
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04:36<s_i_m>Web-sidux632, what are you trying to do?
04:36<Web-sidux632>a dist-upgrade
04:36<Web-sidux632>after a update
04:37<locklace>Web-sidux632: going to go out on a limb and guess you're using sidux
04:37<Web-sidux632>indeed
04:37<locklace>!sidux
04:37<dpkg>i guess sidux is a live distribution <based on Debian> Sid, with a special focus on clean and easy hard disk installation. It is <OT> in #debian. Please /join #sidux on irc.oftc.net.
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05:26<toughtalker>sdfsa
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05:27<toughtalker>hello everyone
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05:54<sssslang_>hi, does someone use usbmux? i was confused by the file `/lib/udev/rules.d/85-usbmuxd.rules'.
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05:56<altdan>hi
05:56<altdan>how is named debian's firefox ?
05:56<altdan>iceweasel ?
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05:56<Gathond>yes
05:57<altdan>thanks
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06:01<altdan>i have installed lenny
06:01<altdan>howot have ext4 support ?
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06:09<musca>!tell altdan about bpo
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06:12<Greed>altdan: no ext4 support for lenny
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06:12<altdan>thanks
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06:34<altdan>have installed mc and xfce
06:35<altdan>howto configure xfce when pressing F10 in mc to exit mc not to open file menu in xfce console ?
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06:37<altdan>solved
06:37<altdan>thanks
06:39<locklace>no problem
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06:42<Lantizia>Hey... rather than using sed/awk/echo/etc to change settings in conf files... is there a CLI utility meant for non-destructive editing of config files?
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06:42<Lantizia>i.e. something that can detect when something is already set in the file and tweak the value, or detect if something is commented out
06:43<locklace>Lantizia: the problem is - and this is one of the most brain-dead things about unix - every config file has a different format
06:43<Lantizia>locklace, exactly... so this utility would have to be able to detect which format
06:44<locklace>i've never seen such a thing, and it would be a huge pain to write, since all the work would be in maintaining a big database of different formats and options
06:45<locklace>the unix way is to make them text files and rely on the user to understand and edit them
06:45<locklace>and in common cases where that leads to problems (/etc/passwd is the classic example) make a special-case tool
06:45<Lantizia>In my little howto I'm writing... I can either assume they've got the package managers default conf files and give them a bunch of sed and echo commands to run
06:46<Lantizia>or show them how the entire file should loo
06:46<Lantizia>*look
06:46<Lantizia>what I'd like to do is have a program to intelligently detect existing settings and change them to the ones required
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06:47<locklace>from a doc perspective, the right thing is to provide the correct file as an example, and chop it into sections if you need to explain in more detail
06:48<Lantizia>this is from a speed perspective... I like my howtos to be unscary then let them know the scary bits they just did afterwards
06:48<locklace>you may find or easily write such a program if you're only concerned with one file format, but it's next to impossible to do in general
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06:49<Lantizia>I don't think it'd be that impossible to scan a file and detect if any lines begin # ' ; or <!-- for comments... or detect if there is SET hello SET=hello SET = hello
06:49<Lantizia>etc
06:50<Lantizia>i.e. learn from what is already available to guess a format
06:50<locklace>look at the format differences between /etc files like passwd, fstab, aliases, and resolv.conf
06:51<ansgar>Lantizia: There is actually a Google Summer of Code Project in Debian that is related: http://wiki.debian.org/SummerOfCode2010/ImprovePackageConfigUpgrade
06:52<ansgar>Lantizia: It deals with trying to ease package upgrades by giving more information about the configuration files.
06:52<Lantizia>I can't believe there isn't something like this already
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06:56<locklace>attempts have been made to deal with parts of the problem for ages, see tools like cfengine
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07:00<Lantizia>locklace, it's .cf files I'm dealing with now - is that what cfengine is for?
07:02<ansgar>Lantizia: No, not spcifically. cfengine is a general tool to manage hosts.
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07:04<Lantizia>http://www.gnu.org/software/cfengine/ ?
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07:07<ansgar>Lantizia: Looks like it. aptitude show cfengine{2,3}
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08:50<Metrahla>abrotman, im willing to give it a try.. (on another kernel) .. hoping that the ov511 driver coming with that new kernel, cam make my web cam work better?
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08:50<abrotman>Metrahla: what is your current kernel ?
08:51<Metrahla>abrotman, i got a "lenny" .. dont realy know what to type.. to show what kernel is mine..
08:51-!-You're now known as mikegrb
08:51<abrotman>Metrahla: uname -r
08:52<Metrahla>abrotman, 2.6.26-2-686
08:53<abrotman>!tell Metrahla about bpo
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08:56<Metrahla>abrotman, this question may sound silliy.. but, is there any danger for the hardware when using experimental software? in this case linux.. or sid.. etc ..
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08:56<abrotman>i didn't point at experimental, and you sohuldn't be using it
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09:02<mysticsilent>hi, how can i upgrade my kernel to the newest one? current version is : 2.6.34-rc6-lldesktop-amd64
09:02<abrotman>mysticsilent: ask #ubuntu on irc.freenode.net .. that is not a Debian kernel
09:03<mysticsilent>not a debian kernel?
09:03<abrotman>mysticsilent: this is #debian, that kernel you're using is not from Debian
09:03<mysticsilent>youre kidding me? my dad installed this notebook for me.. and im sure this is debian running : debian squeeze
09:04<abrotman>mysticsilent: squeeze's kernel would be 2.6.32-3-amd64
09:04<abrotman>mysticsilent: what is 'dpkg -l libc6' ?
09:04<mysticsilent>do i need to insert that in console?
09:04<abrotman>yes
09:05<mysticsilent>2.10.2-6
09:05<mysticsilent>he said to me that was the newest kernel
09:06<mysticsilent>because it installed with a trunk kernel after installation
09:06<abrotman>mysticsilent: no idea why your dad installed an ubuntu kernel, but if you want a newer kernel than what you have, you'll have to compile it yourself .. if you were smart you'd install the squeeze kernel instead of the unsupported ubuntu kernel you currently have
09:06<mysticsilent>how can i compile the kernel myself?
09:06<abrotman>why do you need a newer kernel at all?
09:07<abrotman>if you have no particular reason, you'll be smarter to install the 2.6.32-3-amd64 currently in squeeze
09:07<mysticsilent>my sound is not working great.. hardware keys of notebook to mute of raise lower volume hangs te soundcard
09:07<mysticsilent>and video gives stripes at the right side of the screen
09:07<abrotman>which netbook is this?
09:08<mysticsilent>ive got a fujitsu siemens amilo pi2530
09:08<mysticsilent>with a radeon mobility hd2300
09:08<abrotman>!make-kpkg
09:08<dpkg>[make-kpkg] the tool that you use for compiling the kernel the Debian Way (tm). It makes a package for your custom kernel which you can install and remove easily using dpkg. See http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-kernel.html , man make-kpkg and ask me about <kernel compile> <kp mantra> <kernel build-deps>.
09:09<mysticsilent>is there any step by step guide to do this?
09:09<mysticsilent>because i want to learn
09:09<mysticsilent>and don;t have very much experience
09:10<abrotman>mysticsilent: you can /msg dpkg stuff .. like "/msg dpkg kernel compile" ..
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09:11<mysticsilent>but thats for custom kernels?
09:12<mysticsilent>can;t i install the standard kernel?
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09:14<JKL>when does new version move from unstable to lenny-backports. or does this question eaven make any sense?
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09:17<mysticsilent>abrotman, is it nessecary that i build my own kernel? can't i install stock kernel instead?
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09:28<Lantizia>Hey, what does gethostname() read to return a result? It doesn't seem to be the same as hostname -f
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09:28<Lantizia>gethostname() returns myserver.localdomain instead of myserver.company.com which is the actual fqdn
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09:33<abrotman>mysticsilent: i already told you what the stock kernel was .. you said it wasn't good enough
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09:33<locklace>Lantizia: a kernel value; see the notes at the end of the uname(2) manpage for details
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09:35<Lantizia>locklace, umm how do I go to page 2 :D
09:35<locklace>man 2 uname
09:36<locklace>fqdn is a resolver thing, it's separate from the kernel "nodename"
09:36<mysticsilent>no, i didn't got that kernel on my system abrotman. i want to know how to do that because this kernel gives the problems
09:37<babilen>mysticsilent: aptitude install name_of_the_package should work ;) You might want to read the Debian reference ; /msg dpkg reference
09:37<mysticsilent>is installing a kernel that easy?
09:37<mysticsilent>whats called that kernel package name?
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09:38<Lantizia>locklace, doesn't exist that page
09:38<Lantizia>"No manual entry for uname in section 2"
09:38<abrotman>mysticsilent: aptitude install linux-image-amd64 ..
09:38<locklace>Lantizia: aptitude install manpages-dev
09:38<abrotman>well without the ".."
09:38<abrotman>mysticsilent: but the kernel you have is already newer
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09:38<mysticsilent>yes, but its a ubuntu kernel you said?
09:38<mysticsilent>thats not good?
09:39<abrotman>not in my opinion, but what do i know
09:39<babilen>heh
09:39<mysticsilent>because my soundcard is strange
09:39<mysticsilent>can;t mute because the volume level bar that pops up keeps on blinking
09:39<mysticsilent>also when i lower or rise the volume
09:39<mysticsilent>it keeps blinking..
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09:40<mysticsilent>only way to set volume level is with the volume icon in taskmanger
09:41<mysticsilent>and ofcourse the problems with graphics... the white stripes on the right side of the screen when changing to different screens or using cube animation for desktops
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10:08<Spt>hi
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10:09<Spt>i just installed debian and choosed not to install LILO or GRUB.. how could i add the linux option to boot.ini
10:10<Spt>i've read some guides and didnt understand what they want me to do..
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10:10<Lantizia>If I use... sysctl -w kernel.domainname="seaquake.net"
10:10<Lantizia>will it stick on reboot?
10:11<Lantizia>I'm doing it so that gethostname() will return the real FQDN like hostname -f does
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10:11<Lantizia>so I don't have to set it in things like the postfix main.cf file
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10:11<Lantizia>good plan / bad plan ?
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10:50<bremner>Lantizia: man sysctl.conf for information about persistence. As to whether it is a good idea, I never heard of anyone doing it, for what it is worth.
10:50<uldics>Hi all. Can anyone help me changing my system language to english (en_GB), but so I can write in my language (lv_LV). dpkg-reconfigure locales does not help. It makes all settings the same. And I dont want all my programs half translated to some weird latvian terms.
10:50<Lantizia>bremner, I'm thinking it's better to have the domain set correctly at the kernel... so services using gethostname() can get the proper FQDN without me having to specifiy it?
10:51<Ikarus>uldics: your writing language is purely dependent on keyboard settings on modern systems
10:51<Ikarus>just be sure to use en_GB.utf8
10:54<Lantizia>in fact! why the hell does Debian ask for a domain during setup... then doesn't actually go and set it
10:54<Lantizia>I mean sure it sets it in hosts... but not kernel.domainname
10:55<Lantizia>thats just silly
10:55<locklace>Lantizia: bad idea
10:55<locklace>Lantizia: like i said, dns and the kernel nodename are separate things
10:56<Ikarus>kernel.domainname doesn't quite do what you think
10:56<Ikarus>kernel.domainname IS NOT DNS domain which is what Debian is asking you for
10:56<Lantizia>I know it determines the output of gethostname() which is meant to be the FQDN of the server
10:57<locklace>no
10:57<Ikarus>Lantizia: nope and nope
10:57<Lantizia>yes and yes
10:57<Lantizia>go try it and see :)
10:58<Ikarus>Lantizia: it determines the output of gethostname very indirectly, but far more importantly, nowhere does it say that gethostname has to be a FQDN
10:58<Lantizia>postfix expects gethostname() to return the FQDN
10:58<locklace>you are either not reading the manpages for hostname(1), gethostname(2) and uname(2), or not understanding them
10:58<locklace>and similarly you are either not reading or understanding what you're being told here
10:59<Ikarus>getdomainname() far more fun it is even explicitly the NIS domainname it returns
10:59<Lantizia>so you're telling me that gethostname() returns just... server
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10:59<locklace>yeah, we can thank sun for muddying these waters even more
10:59<Lantizia>and postfix is seeing this and adding the .localdomain on the end
10:59<Ikarus>Lantizia: yup, just the plain hostname
10:59<Lantizia>postfix's myhostname is read from gethostname()... and postfixes mydomain is myhostname without the first component
11:00<Lantizia>but if your saying gethostname() is meant to only be the hostname (not the fqdn) then is postfix in error?
11:00<Ikarus>Lantizia: correct
11:00<Ikarus>Lantizia: so just specify an explicit hostname in postfix
11:00<Lantizia>Ikarus, see I wanted to avoid that
11:01<locklace>it should be using getaddrinfo(3)
11:01<Lantizia>ok so what exactly is kernel.domainname meant to be used for then?
11:01<Ikarus>Lantizia: NIS
11:01<Lantizia>which is?
11:01<Ikarus>Lantizia: a Sun directory protocol
11:02<Lantizia>well setting kernel.domainname definately changes the output of gethostname()
11:02<Ikarus>Lantizia: that is because GNU doesn't quite implement it right
11:02<Ikarus>it parses the output of uname to get it
11:03<Ikarus>Lantizia: anyway, getaddrinfo is the right way to get the FQDN of a box/interface
11:03<Lantizia>actually I think I lied there
11:03<Lantizia>setting it doesn't change the output of gethostname() now :S
11:04<Lantizia>I could have sworn it did
11:04<Lantizia>so in review...
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11:05<Lantizia>Debian has ZERO requirement to know what "domain" it is on... except for the purposes of DNS or using NIS
11:05<Lantizia>anything else must be told what the domain is explicitly
11:05<Ikarus>exactly
11:05<Ikarus>Lantizia: no
11:05<Lantizia>like postfix
11:05<Ikarus>Lantizia: good apps determine it using getaddrinfo
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11:05<Ikarus>Apache can get it right
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11:05<Ikarus>otoh many boxes are so widely multihomed it's not quite useful
11:06<Lantizia>see if you run postconf -d
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11:06<Lantizia>you can see myhostname isn't using getaddrinfo
11:06<Lantizia>i wonder why they'd make such a big mistake :S
11:07<Ikarus>Lantizia: because nearly everyone explicitly configures ?
11:07<Lantizia>I like to do as little configuration as possible
11:07<Ikarus>Lantizia: use exim instead ? :P
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11:07<Lantizia>Ikarus, hell no
11:08<Ikarus>for me simple setups are best off with exim
11:08<Lantizia>ok case closed! back to work :)
11:08<Ikarus>it just works
11:08<Lantizia>thanks
11:08<uldics>Thank you Ikarus , en_GB.utf8 helped. Now I have normal, english interface and can write with all 34 latvian letters. Dont know why, but en_GB before did not let me write in my language.
11:08<Ikarus>uldics: en_GB uses the ISO-8859 characterset
11:09<Ikarus>en_GB.utf8 uses Unicode instead
11:09<Ikarus>uldics: and I guessed Latvian had something in common with cyrillic so wouldn't be using the latin alphabet
11:09<uldics>So its like Windows XP in a way, if I use without utf8, hehe
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11:10<uldics>No, it is not cyrillic, it is Latin with some additional letters
11:10<Ikarus>uldics: yeah, I guessed wrong, but still with the right effect :)
11:10<uldics>hehe, thanks
11:10<Ikarus>anyway, en_GB.utf8 is probably the best LANG= for most European users
11:10<Ikarus>(en_US, just say no to color and center :P)
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11:11<uldics>en_US gets me in all kind of trouble, like 12 hour AM PM stuff, foot, mile and week starts wrong... hehe
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11:14<uldics>Ok, next question... Is there a non-compiling way to get wdm to autologin? Dont want gdm or kdm on lightweight xfce4 system, half embedded as car pc.
11:16<Ikarus>uldics: just fire up "su username startx " from a startup script ?
11:16<Ikarus>ie, skip the entire mess of a dm
11:17<uldics>isnt it required for xfce4?
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11:18<Ikarus>uldics: nope
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11:18<Ikarus>uldics: startx works fine as a X session starter
11:18<bremner>you might need to adjust the contents of .xsession or .xinitrc
11:19<uldics>isnt it the dm, which saves my settings
11:19<Ikarus>uldics: nooo, the DM just launches the session
11:19<Ikarus>it logs you in, then launches the session as your user
11:19<uldics>so all the session info is stored somehow else
11:19<Ikarus>uldics: well, what to launch in the session is handled by .xsession in the case of startx
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11:24<Ikarus>uldics: anyway, I have been launching XFCE4 from startx this for quite some time
11:24<uldics>thanks again, will try it
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11:24<DJATHOS>hello please help
11:25<DJATHOS>please help command "su"
11:25<Ikarus>DJATHOS: what help do you need with the command ?
11:26<babilen>DJATHOS: what? Are you looking for the manpage for "su" ? If yes, type "man su" in a terminal
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11:27<DJATHOS>the probles is no work pass for root
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11:27<uldics>caps lock maybe?
11:27<DJATHOS>no
11:27<boboysdadda>morning all. so i followed the wifi wiki and when i installed the fwcutter it didn't prompt to install drivers. can someone please tell me what i missed?
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11:28<DJATHOS>the pass is correct and display
11:28<DJATHOS> su
11:28<DJATHOS>Contraseña:
11:28<DJATHOS>su: Fallo de autenticación
11:28<Ikarus>DJATHOS: erm, the pass shouldn't display
11:28<Ikarus>ah, k
11:29<babilen>DJATHOS: Does the same happen when you try to login as root on a tty? (e.g. ctrl-alt-f1)
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11:29<DJATHOS>yes
11:29<DJATHOS>in mode tty is ok
11:29<Ikarus>DJATHOS: then you might need to reset your root password (it might actually be set to something you aren't expecting)
11:29<Ikarus>oh
11:29<Ikarus>huh
11:29<babilen>DJATHOS: Did it ever work? Or is this a recently installed machine?
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11:30<gsimmons>boboysdadda: Which "wifi wiki" are you following? Does it involve b43-fwcutter? Which version of Debian?
11:30<DJATHOS><Ikarus> DJATHOS: then you might need to reset your root password (it might actually be set to something you aren't expecting)
11:30<DJATHOS>no workings
11:31<DJATHOS>i reset the pass and not working
11:31<babilen>DJATHOS: How did you reset the root password?
11:31<DJATHOS>yes
11:31<babilen>hehe - I am asking *how* you did it not *if* :) What is your native language?
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11:32<Ikarus>es
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11:32<Ikarus>!es
11:32<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat
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11:32<Ikarus>DJATHOS: ^^^ they might be able to help you there in Spanish which might be easier for you
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11:33<boboysdadda>gsimmons, yes it involves that firmware cutter and i am running squeeze
11:33<DJATHOS>thanks
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11:35<gsimmons>boboysdadda: If you followed the procedure on the Debian Wiki (http://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx#b43-b43legacy-squeeze), you missed the part about the b43-fwcutter package no longer acquiring firmware. This functionality is now provided by separate packages (firmware-b43-*-installer).
11:35<boboysdadda>ok gsimmons ty
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11:40<boboysdadda>gsimmons, do i need to do something with that list of files that extracted
11:40<boboysdadda>btw sorry i'm a bit dumb this morning just drove 24 hours and haven't slept
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11:42<DJATHOS>babilen: the channel #debian-es is dead
11:42<DJATHOS>how do configure su ?
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11:44<babilen>DJATHOS: Start by answering my questions - It *might* be related to your keymap ...
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11:45<babilen>DJATHOS: btw - Which password are you using for su?
11:45<DJATHOS>using pass at root
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11:45<DJATHOS>the pass is ok in mode tty
11:46<gsimmons>boboysdadda: The files are used by the b43/b43legacy drivers. You can proceed with wireless interface configuration and start using your device.
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11:46<babilen>DJATHOS: So you can login into a console, but "su" is refusing your password?
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11:46<DJATHOS>yes
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11:48<babilen>DJATHOS: I guess it is related to your keyboard settings - Are you using a different keymap as system default within X?
11:48<boboysdadda>ok gsimmons thanks again
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11:49<DJATHOS>no
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11:51<DJATHOS>babilen: i do not change languajes or similars
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11:53<babilen>DJATHOS: Ok - it was just a hunch. Anything interesting in /var/log/auth.log? Could you verify that your password is indeed the same by typing your password as username at the console. (Just checking)
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11:55<boboysdadda>wifi is up thankyou gsimmons
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11:57<Glorf>Hi all, i've got a problem with a grub install and debian ; when i start, i've the grub rescue command-line ; i can't get the menu of grub-pc, and grub-install /dev/sda in my debian chrooted(i'm on a ubuntu live-cd) doesn't work
11:57<babilen>DJATHOS: Could you paste the output of "tail -n 10 /var/log/auth.log" and "grep wheel /etc/pam.d/su" to a pastebin please?
11:58<babilen>Glorf: "Doesn't work" ?
11:58<Glorf>I try grub-install /dev/sda
11:58<babilen>Glorf: /dev and /proc in the chroot?
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11:58<Glorf>i reboot, and same problem : grub command-line
11:58<Glorf>yes
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11:59<babilen>Glorf: Do you run "update-grub" before "grub-install" ?
11:59<Glorf>mount /dev/sda6 /media/system then mount --bind /dev /media/system/dev mount -t proc /proc /media/system/proc chroot /media/system
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11:59<babilen>Glorf: I believe you :)
11:59<babilen>!tell Glorf -about fixmbr
12:00<babilen>Glorf: Followed that procedure?
12:00<Glorf>Yes
12:01<Glorf>i removed grub2 grub-pc, reinstall and then update-grub grub-install ?
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12:03<babilen>I don't know - did you?
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12:04<DJATHOS>babilen:
12:04<DJATHOS># auth required pam_wheel.so
12:04<DJATHOS># Uncomment this if you want wheel members to be able to
12:04<DJATHOS># auth sufficient pam_wheel.so trust
12:04<DJATHOS># auth required pam_wheel.so deny group=nosu
12:04-!-DJATHOS was kicked from #debian by debhelper [use the paster bot or #flood]
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12:04<abrotman>!paste
12:04<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>.
12:04<Glorf>I launch update-grub grub-install /dev/sda, and my menu.lst is empty
12:04<DJATHOS>May 24 10:56:45 localhost su[6717]: FAILED su for root by a
12:04<DJATHOS>May 24 10:56:45 localhost su[6717]: - pts/3 a:root
12:04<DJATHOS>May 24 11:00:27 localhost login[3361]: pam_unix(login:session): session opened for user root by LOGIN(uid=0)
12:04<DJATHOS>May 24 11:00:27 localhost login[6731]: ROOT LOGIN on 'tty2
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12:05<DJATHOS>this result babilen
12:05<abrotman>DJATHOS: STOP PASTING
12:05<DJATHOS>sorry
12:05<abrotman>oh i know .. i keep getting kicked .. i'll just keep going what is getting me kicked .. seems like a smart idea ...
12:05<babilen>Glorf: You don't have to remove the packages - "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever" is what you are after - did it work before?
12:06<babilen>DJATHOS: http://paste.debian.net
12:06<Glorf>Actually, i reinstalled all my debian, because i wanted to downgrade squeeze to lenny
12:06<Glorf>except grub, all worked (before i reboot) perfectly
12:06<babilen>How did you reinstall?
12:07<DJATHOS>ok
12:07<Glorf>http://forum.debian-fr.org/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=19511
12:07<DJATHOS>paste ok
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12:08<babilen>DJATHOS: And I need more output from auth.log - try "tail -n 30" (i am after the lines before "FAILED su for root ...")
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12:09<DJATHOS>babilen: paste of 30 result ok
12:09<babilen>DJATHOS: I need the URL
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12:10<abrotman>!es
12:10<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat
12:10<babilen>Glorf: You've done that on your lenny machine?
12:10<Glorf>on my squeeze machine
12:10<Glorf>to downgrade to lenny
12:10<DJATHOS>babilen: http://paste.debian.net/74520/
12:11<babilen>!downgrade
12:11<dpkg>methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>.
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12:11<babilen>Glorf: You should reinstall lenny - downgrades are not supported
12:11<Glorf>Hmmm
12:11<Glorf>i've a separated /home
12:12<Glorf>how can i reinstall lenny and keep my data ?
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12:14<babilen>Glorf: Just reinstall it and don't create a new filesystem on your /home partition. You can easily keep it (just select use as /home)
12:14<Guest1205>reformat the / partition since /home is on another partition it won't get reformatted
12:15<Glorf>ok
12:15<abrotman>Glorf: if it's a database like mysql or pgsql, that data lives in /var/ though
12:15<Glorf>abrotman: it's my personal data, no db
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12:16<Glorf>now, dd if of and it's ok
12:17<babilen>DJATHOS: "ls -l /bin/su" ?
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12:18<DJATHOS>28 /bin/su
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12:19<Flashtek>anyone here know much about wvdial vs pppd+chat ??
12:19<babilen>DJATHOS: The complete line please - especially the permissions. Have you verified that it is not a keymap issue?
12:19<abrotman>or maybe get an md5 instead
12:20<DJATHOS>what line ?
12:20<DJATHOS>a
12:20<DJATHOS>moment
12:20<babilen>DJATHOS: If you've verified that, please also paste /etc/securetty and /etc/pam.d/su
12:21<DJATHOS>-rwxr-xr-x 1 bind bind 27108 nov 22 2008 /bin/su
12:21<babilen>hehe
12:21<Flashtek>bind ??
12:21<Flashtek>-rwsr-xr-x 1 root root 27K 2009-11-14 14:41 /bin/su
12:21<babilen>not suid root?
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12:22<babilen>DJATHOS: Have *you* tinkered with that before?
12:22<Glorf>babilen: for preparing a install-usb of debian, just download the netinst.iso and then dd if=netinst.iso of=/dev/whatever
12:22<DJATHOS>arrggggg
12:22<Flashtek>DJATHOS: got rkhunter installed ?
12:22<DJATHOS>all files andirectories
12:23<DJATHOS>no
12:23<DJATHOS>all files andirectories is bind:bind
12:24<DJATHOS>what is method for restore archives owners ?
12:24<Flashtek>sounds fairly buggered to me..
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12:25<chl>how can i make tint2 background color looks like the snapshot on its official site?
12:25<chl>the one at the left part - http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/9471/tint207final.jpg
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12:25<babilen>DJATHOS: To solve your immediate problem: "chown root:root /bin/su" and "chmod +s /bin/su" - But what have you done to your system?
12:26<chl>I try something like http://pastebin.com/G2VRJzik
12:26<chl>but the panel color is still black
12:26<DJATHOS>and what is step for recover all list names ?''
12:27<DJATHOS>all files an dirs bind:bind
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12:28<DJATHOS>ok thanks babilen
12:28<DJATHOS>"su" is ok now
12:29<DJATHOS>and recover structure of owner for files P?
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12:30<Flashtek>DJATHOS: might i recommend you install rkhunter at some point.. it'll check for installed rootkits.. (just in case)
12:31<DJATHOS>oks
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12:33<babilen>DJATHOS: I would actually suggest to recover from your backups - Reinstalling all packages might also work, but you can never be sure that your system is not compromised. When did this happen? How? Is this a multi user machine? Who has access?
12:33<babilen>!tell DJATHOS about reinstall everything
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12:35<DJATHOS>reinstaling now
12:35<abrotman>babilen: we had someone with the same issue yesterday
12:35<babilen>ok - good luck. I still think that you should find the root of this problem ...
12:35<abrotman>was it a new install ?
12:35<babilen>abrotman: exactly the same? bind:bind and no suid?
12:36<abrotman>i know it was no SUID ..
12:37<babilen>DJATHOS: Please give some details about your system. When was it installed? Which version of Debian? (and the questions I already asked)
12:38<DJATHOS>sarge 5
12:39<DJATHOS>sorri
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12:39<babilen>sarge? are you sure? what is the output of "cat /etc/debian_version" ?
12:39<DJATHOS>lenny 5 amd64
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12:42<abrotman>DJATHOS: installed when ?
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12:54<ohwow>Hi, I want to swap my Ctrl and CapsLock keys and also turn off capslock led
12:54<ohwow>what's the best way to do that?
12:55<locklace>ohwow: http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/MovingTheCtrlKey
12:55<ohwow>locklace: i read that, but how can i turn led off?
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12:56<ohwow>also the preferable way is to edit /etc/defaults/keyboard?
12:56<ohwow>should I add ctrl:swapcaps or ctrl:nocaps?
12:56<ohwow>what the difference?
12:56<x64_or_x32>after 4 years of using this computer only with x32 OS (windows, bsd, linux), today i looked carefully by mistake at cat /proc/cpuinfo and saw the lm flag. iirc it is for x64 right? anyway, i thought so and to check i installed the amd64 kernel of squeeze, and now i'm running on it. is this real? when i bought this system i was told that this model of sempron is only runing x32 apps, even if the main board supports athlon64 too.
12:57<Flashtek>http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=580418 <-- does this mean that wvdial will be phased out and that's it..?
12:57<Flashtek>x64_or_x32: if it's running a 64bit kernel, it's a 64bit cpu
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12:58<x64_or_x32>is there any other way to check? should i reinstall using the amd64 .iso?
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13:00<Flashtek>iirc the kernel on the 64bit iso IS 64bit
13:04<abrotman>Flashtek: lm is the 64bit flag
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13:05<ohwow>I tried this: http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/MovingTheCtrlKey#toc7
13:05<ohwow>but it's not working
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13:05<zmm>i am slovakia
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13:06<abrotman>Flashtek: just for arm/armel AFAICT
13:06<ohwow>http://paste.debian.net/74533/ here is my /etc/defaults/keyboard, btw
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13:07<x64_or_x32>what makes me wonder if this is real or not, is the fact that the kernel was installed from linux-image-2.6.32-3-amd64_2.6.32-9_i386.deb
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13:10<abrotman>x64_or_x32: dpkg-architecture
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13:11<Flashtek>abrotman: typical, i'm developing on armel
13:12<abrotman>with a modem?
13:12<abrotman>Flashtek: what about using pppconfig?
13:13<Flashtek>well, I have a ppp script that should work in theory.. however when use it I get LCP timeouts..
13:13<x64_or_x32>abrotman, is that a package or what?
13:13<abrotman>it's a command, try running it
13:13<x64_or_x32>not found
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13:14<abrotman>oh, it's in the dpkg-dev package
13:14<Metrahla>how come new kernels bring alot of new drivers? .. and how .. or where can i read those drivers readmes/changes?
13:14<Flashtek>Metrahla: changelogs.
13:14<Flashtek>and to answer the first bit.. that's what new kernels are for..
13:15<Metrahla>so kernels are about drivers?
13:15<Flashtek>hardware support, new features and security issues..
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13:17<Metrahla>Flashtek, on a fujistsu lap i got.. it got a sis 3d card, debian dont got a driver for that card, afterwards i choose to do the net install (unetbootin) on the unstable debian reslease .. and it worked , so in that situation im doing fine by using the unstable version of debian
13:17<Metrahla>?
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13:19<x64_or_x32>abrotman, http://paste.debian.net/hidden/bf2ea475/
13:19<x64_or_x32>but i guess this is normal since it was installed as i386, isn't it?
13:20<abrotman>x64_or_x32: so you didn't reinstall ?
13:20<x64_or_x32>no, just the kernel
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13:21<x64_or_x32>i guess i should reinstall?
13:21<Metrahla>(because i asked if i could use unstable releases.. i was told that i shoudnt )
13:21<DJATHOS>help
13:22<abrotman>x64_or_x32: only if you want a complete 64bit system
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13:22<DJATHOS>help ownership all files
13:23<DJATHOS>alls files owner is bind this is error
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13:24<x64_or_x32>abrotman, this is something that i didn't expected. this deserves a reinstall for sure. haha
13:25<x64_or_x32>thanks yall.
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13:32<Flashtek>abrotman: do you know what wvdial does different to ppp+chat ?
13:32<abrotman>nope, i've always just used pppconfig to setup ppp
13:33<Flashtek>abrotman: used it on a3g dongle ?
13:33<abrotman>uhm .. no
13:33<Flashtek>kk..
13:33<abrotman>a dialup modem .. you know .. i'm that old :)
13:34<Flashtek>yeah, I was using pppd and chat before pppconfig was thought up.. ;-)
13:34<abrotman>well, pppconfig has been around for 12 years at least? .. i think
13:34<abrotman>but i've never used wvdial because pppconfig always worked well for me (as long as the hardware cooperated)
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13:35*Flashtek ponders for a moment..
13:36<Flashtek>umm.. i've used ppp dialup for the last...
13:36<Flashtek>14/15 years !!
13:36<abrotman>Tue, 10 Feb 1998 15:23:43 -0600 .. that was the original pppconfig upload AFAICT
13:36<abrotman>Flashtek: i've been using dialup longer, but only pppconfig since i used debian
13:36<abrotman>and i've still not used wvdial
13:36<Flashtek>lol
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13:37<abrotman>so all i can say is just to try it
13:38<Flashtek>I did.. it doesn't work..
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13:38<abrotman>that's not a helpful error
13:38<Flashtek>which is REALLY annoying..
13:38<Flashtek>well, it fails with "NO CARRIER"
13:39<abrotman>so no dialtone ?
13:39<Flashtek>no, carrier..
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13:43<Flashtek>abrotman: as in the remote end answered, but the two didn't sync up..
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13:43<abrotman>ah ..
13:44<abrotman>well, there may be some obscure setting .. there are a pile of options in the conf files
13:44<Flashtek>though it happens inside a second of firing up the link
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13:48<Metrahla>sorry Flashtek my connection broke
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14:04<sunoano>how do I set the default pdf viewer; update-alternatives doesn't seem to be the thing I need to do
14:05<sunoano>no obvious link in /usr/bin either ... hmm
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14:07<abrotman>sunoano: in what?
14:08<sunoano>well, from Gnome I can use the right mouse menu but then, writing stuff in AucTeX Emacs fires up xpdf when I want eg evince or acroread
14:09<sunoano>so I don't know how to point Emacs to acroread or ... well, let me rephrase ... I don't know why he picks silly xpdf :-)
14:09<sunoano>I don't see a setting somewhere
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14:09*sunoano feels like a bloody greenhorn ;)
14:09<abrotman>sunoano: whne you right click on the PDF, go to properties
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14:09<abrotman>then choose the Open With tab
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14:10<sunoano>yes, that works, but still Emacs picks xpdf even when I chose evince in Gnome
14:10<abrotman>well, i asked you where!
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14:11<abrotman>how are you running it from emacs ?
14:11<abrotman>or opening
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14:12<sunoano>Tex-View
14:12<sunoano>issued with C-c C-v
14:12<sunoano>but Emacs must get his default pdf viewer from somewhere so ...
14:12<sunoano>looks like I am about to dive into some code here ;)
14:13<sunoano>Ok, everything else fires up acroread now, Emacs doesn't ... sweet
14:13*sunoano thinks linking /usr/bin/xdpf to acroread would be nasty but fun
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14:15<abrotman>sunoano: you could strace and see what it's doing to open it ?
14:15*sunoano already went in with strace -cr
14:15<sunoano>it's some emacs function I need to set
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14:25<vizor>hi
14:26<vizor>I need to install java plugin for firefox, does debian have one?
14:26<gpm>vizor: sun-java6-plugin
14:26<gpm>though, debian doesn't have firefox...
14:27<vizor>))
14:27<vizor>I know :)
14:27<gpm>get out
14:27<vizor>gpm: thx, the name of package isn't obvious
14:27<gpm>tsk tsk, they can tell you in #ubuntu
14:28<gpm>they're not stupid over there
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14:29<gpm>it comes up when you apt-cache serch for java
14:29<gpm>or if you serch for java plugin ubuntu on google
14:30<gpm>there's not really any excuse except for laziness
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16:15<bluntz>hmm no questions
16:16<Juniksz>someone know how can i modify the tty resolution?
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16:19<Zomb>Juniksz: a tty does not have a resolution. Do you mean a terminal? which one?
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16:20<mjt>maybe $kernel/Documentation/fb/fbcon.txt will help?
16:20<Juniksz>my problem is: the tty displayed in the wrong place
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16:20<Zomb>Juniksz: what do you mean with tty?
16:21<Zomb>Juniksz: what do you mean with place?
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16:21<Juniksz>the left side has a small black bar and the right side is out of the screen
16:21<Juniksz>i mean the tty is: Ctrl + Alt + F1 .... F6
16:22<Zomb>Juniksz: so you mean a Linux console! Following question, which kind of it? text mode (built-in gfx card fonts) or semi-grafic (framebuffer)?
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16:24<Juniksz>I can not answer for this. How can I find out?
16:25<Juniksz>but i think this is not graphical
16:25<Juniksz>i think the suse has grafical tty, but this is different
16:25<Zomb>by looking at kernel output or using fbset tool
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16:26<Zomb>suse... they have used some fake graphical tty for a while, no idea about current state
16:27<Zomb>anyhow, try "dpkg-reconfigure console-setup"
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16:34<Juniksz>this is what i have: http://81.182.21.241/DSC00366.JPG
16:34<Juniksz>and this http://81.182.21.241/DSC00367.JPG
16:35<Juniksz>is it use framebuffer?
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16:35<Glorf>Hi all
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16:35<Glorf>i'm looking for the finstall script, and the author site don't exist anymore
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16:37<Juniksz>can we solve this problem?
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16:37<Glorf>so, if anyone got it, can he send me this ?
16:38<Torsten_W>Juniksz, here is not #ubuntu
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16:40<Juniksz>ok, sorry
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16:53<Lantizia>can someone remind me of that command that tells you why something is installed? (i.e. it's deps)
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16:54<ml|>aptitude why ?
16:54<Lantizia>ok that didn't help me solve this :)
16:55<Lantizia>I just installed ibritish and squirrelmail together on one apt-get line
16:55<Lantizia>squirrelmail needs ispell and ispell needs one of the isomething languages
16:55<Lantizia>so I don't get why it's installed iamerican as well
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16:57<Lantizia>ah it's the order on the apt-get line :D
16:57<Lantizia>put ibritish first not after
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16:58<maxi>greetings everyone
16:59<maxi>how can i sync my iphone contacts with ubuntu?
17:01<Lantizia>in other words if I don't run exactly this... apt-get install wbritish ibritish squirrelmail
17:01<Lantizia>then I either get american or finnish
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17:01<Lantizia>debian dependencies gone screwy there
17:02<ml|>dpkg: tell maxi about ubuntu
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17:03<maxi>dpkg :D please
17:03<dpkg>d is, like, a systems programming language. Its focus is on combining the power and high performance of C and C++ with the programmer productivity of modern languages like Ruby and Python. Special attention is given to the needs of quality assurance, documentation, management, portability and reliability. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D_%28programming_language%29, or uninterruptible sleep (usually IO)
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17:09<maxi>guys please let me know if it is possible
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17:11<patrick>is this channel appropriate for a question related to the 'sun-java6-jre' package in debian lenny?
17:12<bremner>patrick: it is the right channel, yes
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17:12<ml|>maxi: read what dpkg told you ubuntu is not supported here
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17:14<maxi>thank you, i didnt see the reply
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17:14<patrick>a few days ago i got version 6-20-0lenny1 available through proposed updates, but i cant upgrade, i think the repository misses version 6-20-0lenny1 of sun-java6-bin, does the problem ring a bell to anyone?
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17:18<qq->, versions sun-java6-jre
17:18<judd>sun-java6-jre -- etch-backports/non-free: 6-07-3~bpo40+1; lenny/non-free: 6-12-1; sid/non-free: 6.20-dlj-1; squeeze/non-free: 6.20-dlj-1; sid/non-free: 6.20-dlj-3; sid/non-free: 6.20-dlj-4
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17:21<patrick>Package: sun-java6-jre
17:21<patrick>Versions:
17:21<patrick>6-20-0lenny1
17:21<patrick>(/var/lib/apt/lists/http.us.debian.org_debian_dists_lenny-proposed-updates_non-free_binary-i386_Packages)
17:21<patrick> Description Language:
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17:22<patrick> MD5: 284b212285f80e68ec2ce96bee3dd885
17:22<patrick>ow sry
17:22<patrick>got kicked for flooding
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17:46<zie>patrick: more then 3 lines and you should pastebin it.
17:46<patrick>okay, thank you
17:46<patrick>did my message get through any way in the channel?
17:47<zie>patrick: no. pastebin, then sum up your question and the link here.
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17:48<patrick>summing it up
17:49<patrick>the package sun-java6-jre from proposed updates does not install on my system
17:49<patrick>i currently have version 6-12-1 from (/var/lib/apt/lists/http.us.debian.org_debian_dists_lenny_non-free_binary-i386_Packages)
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17:49<patrick>from propsed updates i got 6-20-0lenny1 (/var/lib/apt/lists/http.us.debian.org_debian_dists_lenny-proposed-updates_non-free_binary-i386_Packages)
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17:50<patrick>but it conflicts
17:50<patrick>i think a version 6-20-0lenny1 of sun-java6-bin is missing in the repository?
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17:54<Falco>hi guys. simple? question. I have a mysql server on my debian and its taking my C# code 5.02secs to connect to it each and every time which is annoying when debugging since my code needs 3 connections (15sec) so anyways i would like to check debians firewall settings. How can i do it? or outright disable it?
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17:58<stevecotton>Falco: "iptables" is the firewall control command. "iptables -L -v -n" will give you counters of how many times each rule has been hit
17:59<stevecotton>Falco: or use Wireshark to get a trace of exactly what's going on
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18:02<Falco>Chain INPUT (policy ACCEPT 2 packets, 124 bytes) pkts bytes target prot opt in out source destination Chain FORWARD (policy ACCEPT 0 packets, 0 bytes) pkts bytes target prot opt in out source destination Chain OUTPUT (policy ACCEPT 5 packets, 310 bytes) pkts bytes target prot opt i
18:02<Falco>So it looks like it isnt being hit?
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18:04<Falco>i'm DLing wireshark
18:05<Falco>looks like it will be awhile before it finish installing. i'll brb in a bit and work on code
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18:13<Falco>stevecotton: I have no clue how to figure out what is happening with wireshark
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18:14<goodell>hey hey, I installed flashplayer-nonfree and my Iceweasel flashplayer still says "About macromedia flash player 7"
18:14<goodell>Is this deliberate? I need Flash Player 10.
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18:15<zero_>I want to run this command as sudo http://pastebin.com/Q24r4JzJ but I want to use somekind of graphical sudo like gksudo, however, it doesn't work, I tried gksudo "my command" but it echoes the command instead of running it
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18:16<craigevil>goodell: its probably using swfdec or gnash, take a look at whats being used update-alternatives --list libflashplayer.so
18:16<zero_>goodell: try installing flashplugin-nonfree instead
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18:17<Falco>You can see the 5sec jump but i dont get it .... http://i48.tinypic.com/16l3y9.jpg
18:17<goodell>zero_: actually I mistyped it. I meant flashplugin-nonfree
18:17<Falco>i48.tinypic.com/16l3y9.jpg
18:17<goodell>craigevil: 192.168.1.6:/usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree # update-alternatives --list libflashplayer.so
18:17<goodell>update-alternatives: error: no alternatives for libflashplayer.so.
18:17<Falco>(my client did show the pic)
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18:18<goodell>does this mean that it is not using one of those?
18:18<craigevil>goodell: try update-alternatives --config flash-mozilla.so
18:18<craigevil>goodell: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-software-2/plugins-dont-show-up-in-iceweasel-806893/
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18:19<goodell>craigevil: 192.168.1.6:/usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree # update-alternatives --config flash-mozilla.so
18:19<goodell>There is only one alternative in link group flash-mozilla.so: /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/libflashplayer.so
18:19<goodell>Nothing to configure.
18:19<goodell>(thanks by the way...)
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18:24<goodell>about:plugins shows:
18:24<goodell>Shockwave Flash
18:24<goodell>File name: libflashplayer.so Shockwave Flash 7.0 r25
18:24<goodell>7.0!
18:25<goodell>I feel that this must be wrong somehow
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18:27<goodell>does this require a 64-bit architecture?
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18:28<craigevil>goodell: are you running Etch? cat /etc/debian_version
18:29<goodell>no, actually I am running squeeze
18:29<goodell>192.168.1.6:/usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree # cat /etc/debian_version
18:29<goodell>squeeze/sid
18:29<goodell>I do not mind getting a sid version of this if necessary,
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18:30<goodell>but I would just like something anything at this point
18:30<goodell>I am also having trouble finding nspluginwrapper
18:30<craigevil>goodell: paste your sources.list
18:30<craigevil>!paste
18:30<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>.
18:31<goodell>craigevil: http://paste.debian.net/74565/
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18:34<craigevil>get rid of all of the lenny/stable lines, aptitude update, aptitude install flashplugin-nonfree
18:35<goodell>craigevil: hm, OK
18:35<goodell>probably a good idea
18:36<goodell>OK, that did nothing.
18:37<goodell>Probably good to get those lenny items out so I did that.
18:37<goodell>I installed the "ubuntu" .deb from Adobe, which seemed to work, though
18:37<goodell>A little upset about that, and a bit confused.
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18:48<goodell>time for a "borrowed ladder"
18:48<goodell>err, missend
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18:57<Lantizia>!crypt
18:57<Lantizia>is there a command line utility to convert strings into crypted strings?
18:59<goodell>Lantizia: not sure, I use this:
18:59<goodell>echo $1 $2 | perl -nle 'm/(\S+)\s+(\S+)/; print crypt "$1", "$2"'
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18:59<Lantizia>I just found mcrypt :)
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19:18<goodell>oh, that's interesting.
19:18<goodell>I have *two* Shockwave plugins
19:19<goodell>Shockwave Flash
19:19<goodell>File name: libflashplayer.so Shockwave Flash 7.0 r25
19:19<goodell>and:
19:19<goodell>Shockwave Flash
19:19<goodell>File name: libflashplayer.so Shockwave Flash 10.0 r45
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19:23<gr0k>Is it just me or is the emerald theme manger nowhere to be found?
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19:29<gr0k>Ahhhhhhhhh found it.
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19:57<rllu>i want to boot something that will let me install debian testing from a USB
19:57<rllu>how can i set this up?
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19:59<raylu>also, will i be able to install with an encrypted /home?
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21:11<sean>hey guys this just out
21:11<sean>ubuntu owns. agree / disagree ?
21:13<sean>discuss.
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21:19<sean>reply in 60 seconds or else
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21:20<sean>reply in 60 seconds or else
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21:31<fixl>sure
21:31<sean>speak now or i will unlease the fury of ubuntu on u
21:31*fixl speaks
21:31<sean>haha owned.
21:31<fixl>hehe
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21:39<boboysdadda>so i am trying to extract a video that is saved as multiple .rar files and it keeps telling me unable to locate program unrar in path. probobly a stupid fix but could someone please tell me
21:39<boboysdadda>running squeeze kde4 btw
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21:40<sharki_latem>spanish ?
21:41<boboysdadda>nvm should have done a patitude search first
21:41<sean>hola
21:41<amitz>boboysdadda: can you create a rar file? have you installed both unrar and unrar-free?
21:41<boboysdadda>just installed unrar and it worked
21:41<amitz>and there is a possibility that kde doesn't support unrar.
21:41<boboysdadda>but i don't have sound after extracting
21:42<amitz>!es sharki_latem
21:42<dpkg>sharki_latem: Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat
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21:46<amitz>boboysdadda: have you able to play sound before?
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21:53<boboysdadda>amitz, yes sorry for the slow response for some reason i had to exit dolphin then open it back up to play right
21:54<boboysdadda>its all fixed now though thankyou
21:54<amitz>np :-)
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23:03<crow>hi
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23:30<Father0fNine>What is the console RSS feed reader (or is there a "fetchmal" for RSS) in Debian?
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23:42<pepperm1nt>whatisthe easiest way to clear the /tmp dir?
23:43<qq->reboot ..
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23:45<pepperm1nt>:qq without rebooting...?
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23:46<karensy>peppermlnt: this may sound stupid but would 'rm -rf /tmp/*' be ok
23:48<karensy>peppermlnt: add to cron for your desired schedule... either time based or create a script to execute command once certain threshold has been reached
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23:51<gsimmons>Father0fNine: You might be interested in newsbeuter or rss2email.
23:54<pepperm1nt>okay karensy
23:54<pepperm1nt>qq said to reboot but I have a journalizing file system
23:54<pepperm1nt>ext3
23:55<pepperm1nt>Is tmp usually empty when I boot up?
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23:57<pepperm1nt>
23:57<pepperm1nt>I have 4 directories inside of tmp right now. In those directories there are files.
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23:59<pepperm1nt>I'm tired. I'm shutting down. bye.
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