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00:05<Zalithian>:(
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00:07<chl1>I installed berkeley db and checked that using dpkg -S berkeley .
00:07<chl1>Now how can I access to the db?
00:07<Zalithian>Anyone know how to add Fedora 12 into menu.lst?
00:07<chl1>something like sql plus
00:08<chl1>Zalithian: for grub 1. seems like copy one entry of an startup item and modify pointing to the correct hd would work.
00:09<chl1>that is what i have done in the past.
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00:09<chl1>but for grub 2. menu.list no longer exists. the way is different.
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00:10<Zalithian>Hmm.. wouldn't the kernel be different in that or does it not matter?
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00:21<chl1>Zalithian: yes you need to change the kernel value pointing to the one to be used.
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00:48<Zalithian>Anyone think they may be able to guide me how to re-add Fedora to menu.lst properly in Debian?
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01:02<austinium>hi, i am new to shell scripting ... what FOO mean in a shell script?
01:02<austinium>what does#
01:02<chl1>austinium: a variable
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01:03<chl1>e.g. FOO=`ps -ef | grep gcc`
01:03<chl1># -> indicates comment
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01:03<chl1>like /* */ in c
01:04<austinium>chl1: i am more at home with C... :)
01:04<austinium>i am studying remastersys
01:04<austinium>its a shell script for generating backups of existing Debian systems
01:04<austinium>and the author has placed FOO
01:04<austinium>at several places in the script
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01:05<austinium>i mean there are lines in the script with just FOO in them
01:05<austinium>i've looked through the code, its not a function
01:05<austinium>oops script
01:05<chl1>maybe you can pastes content to the pastebin.
01:05<chl1>others may have look at it.
01:05<austinium>just a sec
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01:09<austinium>http://pastebin.com/bp2abaXK
01:09<austinium>heres the code
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01:12<chl1>that looks like another script
01:12<chl1>have you seen any name like FOO there?
01:12<austinium>?
01:12<austinium>line 680
01:12<austinium>line 699
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01:13<austinium>towards the end of the script
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01:13<austinium>$TARGETCDROM /media/cdrom udf,iso9660 user,noauto,exec,utf8 0 0
01:13<austinium>FOO
01:13<austinium>else
01:13<austinium>cat > /TARGET/etc/fstab <<FOO
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01:14<jm_>it's a "here" document
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01:14<jm_>ahh well
01:14<jm_>it's a "here" document
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01:15<austinium><- debhelper's latest victim ;)
01:15<chl1>yeah jm_ is correct
01:15<chl1>like EOF
01:16<chl1>for instance, sqlplus abc/abc@orcl << EOF ... select ..... EOF
01:16<chl1>when script comes down to that line, script stop reading the info
01:16<austinium>so its like a standard, like _LINE_ or _FILE_ in C
01:17<austinium>?
01:17<chl1>don't know that very well. but basically it can be seen as a mark telling the script that when reading that mark, it will end its reading
01:18<chl1>so it cat the content between '# /etc/fstab: static file system information.' to '$TARGETCDROM /media/cdrom udf,iso9660 user,noauto,exec,utf8 0 0'
01:18<chl1>to /TARGET/etc/fstab
01:18<jm_>man bash, search for Here Documents
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01:19<chl1>jm_: thanks. I did not know that's called 'Here document'.
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01:21<austinium>thanks jm_, chl1 i'll google that and read up on it
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01:29<austinium>thanks again guys, this looks somewhat like the HTML <PRE> tag
01:29<austinium>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Here_document
01:29<austinium>ok not exactly <PRE> but basically a way to insert code that shouldnt be interpreted
01:30<austinium>i am still reading up on it
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01:40<rld>hi all
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01:49<darius>is there any list of supported phones and connecting methods? it seems that my samsung c100 is not detected event like usb device then i use usb data cable
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02:12<chl1>what is the default font installed in debian?
02:13<chl1>i tried to remove libdb4.7
02:13<chl1>but looks like it smartly remove many stuff which is unwanted.
02:13<chl1>now the font e.g. on firefox disappear.
02:13<chl1>which font should i install to regain it back?
02:14<Arrowmaster>default font is ttf-dejavu i believe
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02:17<chl1>Arrowmaster: looks like the font comes back.
02:17<chl1>Thank you for your help.
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02:48<Woet>My server is using over 2 GB of SWAP while the server has 15 GB of free RAM. How do I find out which process uses this SWAP amount and how can I force it to use the normal, available RAM?
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03:08<manuel>hey!
03:08<manuel>?
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03:19<twb>What's the command to give me a CD's metadata?
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03:19<jm_>what kind of metadata?
03:19<twb>I thought it was "isoinfo", but I can't find that.
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03:19<twb>Basically I want a way to uniquely identify a disc, preferably without mounting any tracks on it.
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03:20<jm_>yeah isoinfo gives you enough details for that unless you want to rely on track data etc.
03:20<jm_>genisoimage: /usr/bin/isoinfo
03:20<twb>Hmm, /me checks apt-file again
03:21<twb>*Ultimately* I have users running GNOME and I want to give them access to a whitelist of data/audio/video CDs/DVDs, and to block access to all other CDs/DVDs
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03:23<jm_>what could possibly fall in other category?
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03:25<KingKong2009>Hello, I am using Debian testing for several years now but recently X randomly hangs? Is this a known issue?
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03:26<KingKong2009>Kernel is Linux debian 2.6.32-3-amd64 #1 SMP
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03:27<jm_>KingKong2009: did you check BTS?
03:29<KingKong2009>Yes previously this has been going on for the last 3 months now, VLC, Synaptic, IceWeasel (with Flash)
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03:32<KingKong2009>jm_, Yes has been for last 3 months now, VLC, Synaptic, IceWeasel (with Flash)
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03:32<jm_>KingKong2009: so did someone else report it or not?
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03:33<KingKong2009>jm_, Have read a few incidents on the net about it, wonder if it is the graphics driver?
03:33<jm_>KingKong2009: well there's no point in guessing, you need to find out first
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03:38<KingKong2009>jm_, last someone told me it could be the Intel graphics
03:39<jm_>KingKong2009: do you have it in your computer?
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03:45<harvey>hi,guys.when will debian 6.0 release?
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03:55<twb>!tell harvey about WIR
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04:12<chl1>aptitude search kpdf found 'c kpdf - PDF viewer for KDE'
04:13<chl1>but why when installing using `aptitude install kpdf`
04:13<chl1>it doesn't install the package?
04:13<chl1>0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 122 not upgraded.
04:13<chl1>No candidate version found for kpdf
04:13<chl1>it shows no candidate and no package is to be installed.
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04:19<gsimmons>chl1: It is replaced by Okular in KDE 4.
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04:21<buffoon_work>hi! does anybody know how to set up a sftp user without the ability to use a shell? If I put /bin/false as login shell I can't transfer files anymore
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04:24<jm_>buffoon_work: no not anybody does, but check out scponly
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04:26<buffoon_work>jm_, I guess setting the login shell to /usr/lib/sftp-server did the trick
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04:30<twb>buffoon_work: yes. Are you running Squeeze?
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04:32<twb>4.9/4.9p1 (http://www.openssh.com/txt/release-4.9): + Added chroot(2) support for sshd(8), controlled by a new option "ChrootDirectory" (closes: #139047, LP: #24777).
04:32<twb>As at 4.9 SFTP-only ssh access can be done trivially from sshd_config.
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04:33<chl1>gsimmons: thanks. do you know what command can be used to check what package will replace the legacy one?
04:34<chl1>i notice that seemingly some packages become invalid (apt-get style install do not have effect) but do not know which one (or name) can be used instead.
04:35<twb>chl1: in the case of kpdf->okular, apt doesn't know.
04:35<twb>chl1: usually you could search for Replaces: or Provides: headers.
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04:38<chl1>twb: thank you. but what command I can use to find that replace?
04:38<twb>aptitude search ~Pfoo or grep-aptavail (grep-dctrl)
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04:42<buffoon_work>twb, no, lenny... I'd like to have good security support and a stable system on the server...
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04:43<twb>buffoon_work: lenny doesn't ship 4.9, so you will have to do it by hand
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04:43<twb>But note that "stable" refers to receiving updates, not reliability. And testing receives security updates.
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04:44<chl1>twb: thanks. but when searching using `grep-aptavail kpdf`, it seems that the result is different from `aptitude search kpdf`
04:44<chl1>the former returns
04:44<chl1>Package: bulmages-common
04:44<chl1>Package: education-desktop-kde
04:44<chl1>Package: kdissert
04:44<chl1>Package: python-poppler-dbg
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04:45<buffoon_work>twb, I will for sure not upgrade to squeeze until it is a stable release. I have better things to do than hoping on every server every day that cron-apt doesn't crash a lot of services because of some strange dependencies...
04:46<chl1>the result http://pastebin.com/Zz9i6SwY
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04:46<chl1>is there any reason why the package name returned are different?
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04:47<chl1>i expect that when using `grep-aptavail kpdf` it would at least contains package: kpdf
04:47<twb>buffoon_work: shrug.
04:47<chl1>so that i can check e.g. in the replace area where it tells okular is available
04:47<twb>chl1: you cannot use a tool without understanding it.
04:48<twb>chl1: in any case, as I said, the kpdf->okular information is not encoded in apt.
04:48<chl1>twb: you are right. i don't under stand it apparently.
04:48<twb>chl1: there is no way for you to know it other than talking to humans.
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04:48<chl1>twb: i see. thank you.
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05:27<surf>hi guys. I have a dualboot and I've never had problems. Now when I select windows from grub it says "no such partition". In grub.cfg I have set root=(hd0,0) and chainloader +1
05:28<twb>surf: what changed?
05:28<surf>dunno... just upgraded the kernel
05:28<surf>now it's impossible to start winzoz any more
05:28<twb>That would probably trigger an update-grub(8)
05:28<twb>Are you running GRUB Legacy or Grub 2?
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05:29<surf>I think grub 2
05:29<jm_>grub.cfg indicates grub2
05:29<twb>I'm not familiar with grub2 syntax, sorry.
05:29<twb>jm_: at least on Debian :-)
05:29<jm_>surf: partitions start with 1 in grub 2
05:30<KingKong2009>Hi, I can't find /etc/X11/xorg.conf, when I try to run Xorg -configure it fails with Segmentation fault
05:30<jm_>KingKong2009: why do you want that file?
05:30<twb>I can't understand why grub2 would count some things from zero and some from one
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05:30<surf>jm_, what you mean... shall I set (hd0,1)?
05:30<twb>They're off their bloody nut
05:30<jm_>surf: yes
05:30<twb>surf: yeah
05:31<jm_>twb: yes, I was thinking that too - why in the hell change only partition numbering
05:31<KingKong2009>jm_, Today I have taken time out to investigate the X11 crash problem, I read about a solution that I wanna try See: http://blogs.dailynews.com/click/2009/05/debian-lenny-im-back.html
05:32<surf>mmm looking at it, the deb bootable partitions are hd(0,2) so it should be correct to set the winzoz one to (0,1). I'll try. Thx guys :)
05:32<jm_>KingKong2009: that post is from 2009
05:33<KingKong2009>jm_, For some reason my Desktop box Asus MB is using the vmware drivers by the looks of it
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05:33<jm_>KingKong2009: how did you verify that?
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05:34<KingKong2009>jm_, By running Xorg -configure
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05:38<jm_>KingKong2009: check X logfile instead
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05:39<twb>Namely, /var/log/Xorg.0.log
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05:42<dandana>hi everybody !
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05:43<jmm_>hi dandana .
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05:43<icebrain>hi!
05:43*icebrain can't avoid the urge to reply "hi doctor nick"
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05:44<dandana>howto add yahoo protocol to pidgin please ?
05:44<dandana>use lenny
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05:45<dandana>when i want to add contacts no yahoo or msn are available
05:45<KingKong2009>jm_, OK checked the log it there seems to be lots of lines with CHROME(0)
05:46<rudi_s>!tell dandana about backports
05:46<rudi_s>Install the pidgin version from backports.
05:46<rudi_s>dandana: ^
05:46<dandana>ok
05:46<dandana>will try
05:47<dandana>howto install gpg for backports ?
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05:48<dandana>dont have the key
05:48<icebrain>!bpo
05:48<dpkg>backports.org is a semi-official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://deb.li/bpoi . A sample line for your sources.list is: deb http://www.backports.org/debian lenny-backports main contrib non-free. Once added: "aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update". <bpo mirrors> <bpo contents> <bpo list> <backports-users>
05:49<jm_>KingKong2009: what does lspci say for your gfx chip?
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05:51<dandana>howto find what is the version of pidgin from backports ?
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05:52<jm_>dandana: packages.debian.org
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05:52<KingKong2009>jm_, 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. CN700/P4M800 Pro/P4M800 CE/VN800 [S3 UniChrome Pro] (rev 01)
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05:54<jm_>KingKong2009: are you using via or openchrome driver?
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05:54<KingKong2009>jm_, how do I figure
05:55<jm_>KingKong2009: grep _drv /var/log/Xorg.0.log
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06:04<KingKong2009>jm_, http://pastebin.com/CQPDpist
06:05<jm_>KingKong2009: so openchrome
06:05<Athunye>I know it is kind of off-topic, but, I can't understand why free -m says 'used' 904, and conky says the memory usage is 265. Any ideas?
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06:07<KingKong2009>jm_, yup Synaptic says xserver-xorg-video-via is not installed and is a transitional package to openchrome
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06:15<jm_>KingKong2009: ahh so you're on squeeze
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06:16<KingKong2009>jm_, yes thats true I used to have an Intel MB and things were rock solid till then when it blew up so I got a 2nd hand Asus MB
06:17<KingKong2009>jm_, for several years no major issues except this freeze which happens from time to time especially when the system is graphic insentive ie. watching youtube/flash
06:17<jm_>KingKong2009: what happens when it hangs? do keyboard leds blink? do you have another computer?
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06:19<KingKong2009>jm_, nope everything locks up totally, don't have another computer, Ctrl+Altl+SysRq+REISUB does not work then at all, normally does
06:21<jm_>KingKong2009: hmm not sure how to debug it then
06:21<KingKong2009>jm_, I am definately using openchrome by following http://www.openchrome.org/trac/wiki/Troubleshooting
06:23<jm_>KingKong2009: yeah driver name shows that
06:25<KingKong2009>jm_, thanks for the help I am now following up on the openchrome.org website, seems other ppl are having similar issues and there are a few open tickets see: http://www.openchrome.org/trac/ticket/354, I shall investigate more, damn really miss my Intel MOBO
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06:27<amol112>which mp3 player can be used as bootable debian linux ?
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06:30<twb>Huh, "nodm" package is interesting.
06:30<twb>I was doing it by hand in rc.local: env -i su twb -c xinit >/var/log/xinit.log 2>&1 &
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06:34<lancelot_of>hi all
06:35<lancelot_of>which package to draw simple scientific/technical pictures?
06:35<petemc>dia
06:35<jm_>xfig
06:36<lancelot_of>ok thank you very much
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06:39<bremner> ipe is another possibility
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06:43<twb>Don't forget pic(1)!
06:43<twb>it's what you use for drawing flow charts in groff textbooks.
06:43<bremner>well tikz is a more sensible suggestion in the "program your drawings" vein
06:44<twb>inkscape also has some rudimentary connector support from 0.42-ish onwards.
06:45<twb>Though honestly, last time I was doing any serious diagrams, the properietary OS X software "omnigraffle" combined the best features of dia and inkscape.
06:46<twb>You can also (ab)use graphviz is you're not too fussed about the layout.
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07:41<Gromitt>I want to compile a source, using -l$LIB, and I got an undefined reference to $METHOD, which is already in $LIB, what can be the reason?
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07:41*Gromitt is unable to see the error.
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07:42<jm_>perhaps it's using a different $LIB than you think it is
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07:45<Gromitt>jm_: could be obvious
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07:47<Gromitt>jm_: but this ist not the case here. I am sure, that I link to the right lib....
07:47<Gromitt>containing the method.
07:47<jm_>Gromitt: how many times has the world heard that before ;)
07:48<Gromitt>jm_: You are not alone with that.
07:48<Gromitt>;-)
07:48<jm_>Gromitt: verify with strace
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07:48<Gromitt>strace on the compile command?
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07:50<Gromitt>A ...
07:50<Gromitt>I see the error...
07:50<jm_>yes
07:51<Gromitt>jm_: linking c library into a c++ Program, is it possible?
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07:51*Gromitt is writing a wxwidget application and links a selfwritten library (C-Code) into iit.
07:51<icebrain>Gromitt: yes, but here's not the right channel
07:52<jm_>Gromitt: sure, but you must ensure it matches exactly
07:52<Gromitt>icebrain: sorry for offtopic...
07:52<icebrain>Gromitt: try ##c++ at freenode
07:54*Gromitt got some explanations about it via google, but many thanks. :)
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08:00<st>extern "C" { } ?
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08:01<Gromitt>st: right.
08:01<Swizzy>anyone here have experience with torrentflux failing to start more then 1 torrent?
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08:59<G-Farkas>Hi. I'm thinking in compille a kernel for number crunching. I've read that the "Preemption Model" option should be "No Forced Preemption (Server)". I whish to know how big the improvement can be, some benchmarks or similar, if not, a simple aprox. % of an experienced user. Someone can help? Thank you.
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09:19<gbe>hi there
09:19<gbe>i'm having a little problem here...
09:19<jordanm>!ask
09:19<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
09:19<gbe>how can i prevent users from suspending the machine?
09:19<koollman>gbe: threaten them with a big stick ?
09:20<gbe>i'd rather have it idiot-proof :)
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09:21<gbe>i have 4 machines here which are used by ~30 to 40 people, not all of whom are that computer savvy, so i'd like to prevent suspending as triggered by kde/gnome/whatever
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09:21<jordanm>gbe: likely a configuration of the display manager. can they actually use the "shutdown" command to suspend?
09:21<gbe>any ideas? there are a lot of tutorials on how to _enable_ suspend, but those all say "install pm-utils and be happy" and i'd rather not uninstall those
09:21<gbe>jordanm: well, gdm is in use
09:22<gbe>and i figure KDE's "sleep" command doesn't talk to gdm
09:22<gbe>but i might be wrong in that regard
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09:23<jordanm>gbe: well, it was my understanding that the display manager in use would also be the controlling settings daemon. anyways, a quick search showed someone making some modifications to the gdm configuraiton: http://embraceubuntu.com/2006/03/20/disable-shutdown-for-normal-users/
09:23<gbe>will try that, thanks
09:24<jordanm>gbe: I see some ubuntu specifics in there so it will not be a perfect step-by-step but should give an idea
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09:43<amol112>is it possible to run amd64 bit .iso image using qemu?
09:44<amol112>i have installed squeeze 64 bit.
09:44<amol112>but getting error as processor is 686
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09:46<cane9>hi
09:47<cane9>i'm looking for a way to get lib32stdc++5
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09:47<cane9>anyone know where it might be hiding? :)
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09:49<jordanm>!apt-file
09:49<dpkg>i guess apt-file is a utility used to find which package owns a given file or list files in a package even if it's not installed: "aptitude install apt-file && apt-file update" ; then "apt-file search filename" to see a list of packages containing filename (can also use a regexp; see man apt-file). You can also search online; ask me about <pdo> <auto-apt> <dlocate>
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09:54<Swizzy>anyone of you guys have knowledge about torrentflux?
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10:46<unixabg>Greetings, I have an intel 3945abg card and I have it configured to auto and dhcp in /etc/network/interfaces but when I first start up it _appears_ to be attempting to connect on the wrong wifi channel.
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10:47<unixabg>If I ifdown wlan0 and then ifup wlan0 all is well.
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10:47<unixabg>How can I address this issue?
10:47<Hukka>Hia. A small lenny weirdness. The env in cron isn't set up properly with @reboot jobs. Is that normal?
10:48<jordanm>unixabg: is your essid configureed in interfaces?
10:48<unixabg>jordanm, yes.
10:48<unixabg>wireless-essid COW
10:48<jmm_>!moo
10:48<dpkg>mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. aplay /usr/lib/openoffice/basis-link/share/gallery/sounds/cow.wav
10:49<Hukka>More precisely the LANG is POSIX, and not the one set up in /etc/environment or /etc/default/locale (which should be read by the cron initd script)
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10:49<unixabg>That was a nice mooooo!
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10:50<jordanm>unixabg: add: wireless-channel # to interfaces
10:50<unixabg>jordanm, is there a way to set wireless-channel to auto?
10:51<jordanm>unixabg: that should be the default, and this issue is not typical
10:51<unixabg>jordanm, ok.
10:51<jordanm>unixabg: I recommend using a graphical client for wireless configuration... interfaces is rather limited for this
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10:52<unixabg>jordanm, the units are running a firware setup of debian-live+persistence+vmware-player to offer wmare images and the user never gets to tamper with the linux side.
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10:52<unixabg>I just have all configured to work. But the card (or driver) plays funny. Since I have not seen the issue with other cards.
10:53<jordanm>unixabg: wireless thin clients?
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10:55<jonatan>hola acá hablan español?
10:55<unixabg>jordanm, full install clients. Firmware setup of Debian Live (/dev/sda1, persistence /dev/sda6, vmware images /dev/sda7)
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10:55<nature>font help?
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10:56<locklace>!es jonatan
10:56<dpkg>jonatan: Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat
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10:57<jonatan>thanks!
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11:28<unixabg>jordanm, I found the issue. pre-up ip link set wlan0 up
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11:28<unixabg>I got that from http://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi
11:28<unixabg>all is now well. :)
11:28<beer>does anyone knoe if this trinity fork of kde 3.5 will be part of squeeze (http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/) ?
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11:37<jordanm>unixabg: if you think there is a problem with the documentation, you can try to fix it
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11:51<unixabg>jordanm, no the documentation is correct. I used it to address the issue. I had not added that line. :)
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11:52<jordanm>ah, good
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11:55<G-Farkas>Hi, I have a problem compilling the kernel. Yesterday I compilled it for first time correctly (well, the kernel doent work but I made the package and installed it correctly). After this, I can't compile it anymore, I always get this err msg: http://pastebin.org/279520 , I've removed the directory where is the kernel and uncompress the kernel again, but it still fails. Can anyone help me please?
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12:06<jordanm>G-Farkas: thats a bug in kernel-package, check the BTS
12:06<jordanm>also...
12:06<jordanm>!tell G-Farkas about localized errors
12:06<G-Farkas>jordanm, BTS ?
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12:07<jordanm>!bts
12:07<dpkg>Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges
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12:07<jordanm>,versions kernel-package
12:07<judd>kernel-package -- etch: 10.067; lenny: 11.015; sid: 12.033; squeeze: 12.033
12:08<jordanm>G-Farkas: most likely you will end up featching and installing the testing version (but without adding testing to your sources!)
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12:08<jordanm>s/featching/fetching
12:08<G-Farkas>jordanm, Sorry, I didnt realize about the language. Im using testing
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12:09<G-Farkas>lguest.c:37:18: error: zlib.h: No existe el fichero o el directorio = "The file or dir doent exist"
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12:20<wamphyri>small question about lenny, how woud i go about installing the ati video drivers?
12:21<jordanm>!fglrx one-liner lenny
12:21<dpkg>[fglrx pre-built] For Lenny/2.6.26 users. Ensure you have <non-free sources> added. Exit X / stop any <DM>, then as root: aptitude -r install fglrx-modules-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,'` fglrx-control fglrx-driver && modprobe -r radeon drm && aticonfig --initial
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12:39<jf>hola
12:39<locklace>!es jf
12:39<dpkg>jf: Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat
12:39<frogmella>nabend, wie kann ich denn die restzeit beim download via jigdo nachsehen? sitzt nun seit fast 24h am dl
12:39<locklace>!de
12:39<dpkg>Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de).
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12:40<frogmella>sorry, how can i look up the remanining time by the download via jigdo? i'm loading since 24h now
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12:42<jf>hola que tal te va
12:42<locklace>!es jf
12:42<dpkg>jf: Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat
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12:59<eightyeight>is it possible to list what pids have been swapped, and if so, how?
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13:17<valdyn>eightyeight: pages get swapped, not pids
13:17<eightyeight>true
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13:23<ifvoid>hmm
13:23<ifvoid>anyone got an idea how to enter my vnc password when connecting with vinagre?
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13:25<dandana>hi everybody !
13:28<dandana>howto find from a script the last snapshot version from sid ?
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13:32<Torsten_W>dandana, snapshot version from sid?
13:32<Torsten_W>what should that be?
13:33<dandana>i have seen that debian make snapshots fron unstable packages
13:33<dandana>the last is sid
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13:33<dandana>but i wan'a find his version as an snapshot
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13:34<dandana>wan'a make an chroot to test unstable
13:34<Torsten_W>dandana, you mean http://snapshot.debian.org/?
13:34<dandana>yes
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13:36<dandana>is written the version in files unde var after an update ?
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13:44<EmleyMoor>Other than by running a browser under wine, is there a way to get Shockwave content working on Debian?
13:46<Torsten_W>no
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13:47<EmleyMoor>Torsten_W: Thanks - didn't think so
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13:49<carlos>hola
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13:50<carlos>me pueden ayudar
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13:50<carlos>soy nuevo y tengo un problema
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13:50<ml|>!es carlos
13:50<dpkg>carlos: Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat
13:50<jordanm>!es
13:50<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat
13:50<carlos>ok
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13:57<anonimo>hola
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13:57<anonimo>putis
13:57<anonimo>,umj mkwycx;Mvjnmk nzjxsnvjcnmv kcm mxkn hzxn, l,cl .ñ,dlłkĸmf k a
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13:57<Ikarus>!es anonimo
13:57<dpkg>anonimo: Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat
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13:58<mjt>is there a way to offline one of the CPU cores, to make the system single-core, in runtime?
13:59<Ikarus>mjt: you can use the CPU hotplug support, but it usually causes the unused CPU to run a power intensive idle
13:59<mjt>um
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14:00<mjt>you mean /sys/devices/system/cpu/offline ?
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14:00<Ikarus>mjt: also appaerently youc can switch /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu*/online (or is that offline
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14:00<Ikarus>been some time since I mucked with this
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14:01<marisa>hola
14:01<mjt>any way to make it use less energy too ? :)
14:01<locklace>!es-social marisa
14:01<dpkg>marisa: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador por favor ingresa al canal social de #debian-es con /join #debian-es-cachondeo. Tus amigos probablemente ya esten ahi.
14:01<mjt>/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu1/online it is
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14:01<marisa>yi
14:01<marisa>hola
14:01<marisa>que tal
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14:01<locklace>marisa: hablan ingles o salir, perra
14:01<mjt>(and i actually wonder how to tell which one is cpu0 and which cpu1 :)
14:02<marisa>me lo podeis decir en español
14:02<retrospectacus>cpu0 is on the left unless you have a BTX mobo ;)
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14:02<EmleyMoor>!es marisa
14:02<dpkg>marisa: Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat
14:02<mjt>they're both in the same socket
14:02<mjt>two cores in the same cpu
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14:03<retrospectacus>I was joking... what difference does it make
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14:03<jordanm>possibly running a non-SMP kernel, would not disable other cores but may cause other cores to get little/no use
14:03<mjt>hmm. maybe it is possible to solve this issue differently
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14:04<jordanm>I believe the -486 kernel does not have SMP support
14:04<mjt>currently i run with maxcpus=1 at boot
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14:05<mjt>but i think the second core is not idling either
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14:18<dandana>what i must install to avoid that error:
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14:18<dandana>locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory
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14:18<dandana>it's in a charoot
14:18<dandana>chroot
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14:19<jordanm>dandana: you likely need to copy the locales into the chroot
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14:19<dandana>are locales installed by a package ?
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14:19<jordanm>dandana: yes, the package locales
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14:20<dandana>thanks
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14:20<dandana>so that packages must be installed earlier
14:20<jordanm>dandana: they are "generated" in some way by the configure script of the package
14:20<dandana>package
14:20<dandana>thanks
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14:47<marcot>Is there an alternative to gdebi, possibly with more than one command, that achieves the same result using only packages from the base system?
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14:53<petemc>marcot: aptitude -f install ran after trying to use dpkg -i foo.deb will get what you need if it can find it. i dont know what you mean about only using packages from the base system
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14:59<marcot>petemc: Thanks, that's what I need.
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15:12<retrospectacus>load average: 84.24 hmmmm
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15:27<jhutchins_lt>dpkg: show gdebi
15:27<dpkg>bugger all, i dunno, jhutchins_lt
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15:31<jhutchins_lt>Yech. gdebi answers a persistent question of mine - how to install a local package while resolving dependencies, but it's got stupid dependencies. gnome-canvas-perl? For a CLI packag tool?
15:32<jhutchins_lt>petemc: Won't dpkg refuse to install something that has unmet dependencies?
15:34<jordanm>jhutchins_lt: not if the depends are set for --configure which a lot of 3rd parties like to do
15:34<jordanm>it will install as broken
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15:36<dondelelcaro>jhutchins_lt: personally, I just have local repositories
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15:48<jhutchins_lt>dondelelcaro: By local install I mean something that's been downloaded as opposed to fetched from a repo.
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15:50<jhutchins_lt>It would be nice to have a utility that would take a downloaded .deb and fetch any dependencies. If qdebi does it, that's nice, but it wants to install half of gnome which is not cool.
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15:51<petemc>jhutchins_lt: aptitude does exactly that
15:52<petemc>jhutchins_lt: you install the deb, and fail, then run aptitude
15:52<jhutchins_lt>petemc: How do you tell it "install local file foo.deb"?
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15:52<petemc>you dont, you use dpkg
15:52<jordanm>petemc: I believe that only works in the case I mentioned earlier
15:52<jhutchins_lt>Ok, well. I'll try that next time it comes up.
15:52<petemc>jhutchins_lt: what?
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15:52<jordanm>petemc: when depends fail on --configure instead of --install
15:52<dondelelcaro>jhutchins_lt: yes, you can easily create local repositories... but anyway, there is a bug open on aptitude to enable exactly that
15:52<jhutchins_lt>Usually it turns out there's a better solution.
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16:14<ml|>jhutchins_lt: there is gdebi-core for cli only
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16:21<zulu>hi, I bought a new harddrive, and copied my debian partitions to it. I did a grub-install /dev/sdb (my new disk) but after booting the new drive I only see GRUB on a black screen, any id?
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16:23<zulu>alive?
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16:27<greg1313>zulu: bad boot sector?
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16:29<greg1313>zulu: I guess that's obvious, but I believe there's a way to fix that.
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16:39<jasper>how do i tell apt to use the old etch repo on demand? like i dont want it checking all the time, but only if i request it.
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16:40<jasper>an online faq wld work is fine too ur lazy
16:40<jasper>if ur lazy*
16:40<Florense>hi all!
16:40<rudi_s>!tell jasper about etch
16:40<rudi_s>jasper: Don't use etch if possible.
16:40<rudi_s>Hi.
16:41<jasper>i kno i kno
16:41<jasper>but i want to
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16:42<Florense>does anybody know about double internet connetion with Debian?
16:42<rudi_s>jasper: What do you mean with on demand. apt only connects to the server if you tell it to.
16:43<Florense>I have server with 2 ports (eth0, eth1)... but after connect eth1 - I have lost eth0...
16:43<jordanm>Florense: "lost"?
16:43<Florense>:) I will explayin
16:43<jasper>i mean have it dl a file from the etch repo and not lenny or squeeze on demand. like, i tell it to get this old file not a newer version, when i want the older version
16:44<alekibango>when i install current testing, should grub/lilo work when my / is on raid-1 ?
16:44<rudi_s>jasper: I don't think that's possible. You can install them manually with dpkg -i but that will cause problems.
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16:47<jasper>thats fine then i guess
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16:49<Florense>http://go-to.name/interfaces.txt here is my /etc/network/interfaces
16:50<Florense>after plugging eth1 - eth0 lost all pings
16:50<jordanm>Florense: makes sense, especially if they are on different networks
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16:50<jordanm>the dhclient when ran on eth1 will remove the default route that was intended for eth0
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16:51<Florense>yes! they are on different networks, different providers
16:52<Florense>ok, im trying this: route del default \n route add default gw 192.168.0.1 eth0
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16:53<jordanm>Florense: my impression from that config file was that you were using debian for a dual-WAN router... that is not the case?
16:54<Florense>im using debian as webserver :)
16:54<Florense>only
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16:55<jordanm>Florense: then you should not be using DHCP
16:56<Florense>i need to get incomming connetions both - for incomming requests, but all request from server might be throught eth0
16:56<Florense>oh... ok, just a second - I'l try static
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16:58<jordanm>Florense: with basic networking, you will only be able to set outgoing traffic to a single default route. you can set multiple default routes with different metrics, but this will not accomplish load balancing
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17:00<Florense>yes! i dont need load balansing... for example: I have few websites: site1.com need to work throught eth0, site2.com - eth1... thats all that i need - simple
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17:00<Florense>http://go-to.name/interfaces.txt - updated... thats what you mean?
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17:02<jordanm>Florense: yes
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17:02<Florense>but how can I set the default gate?
17:02<jordanm>Florense: remove the gateway line from one of those interface files
17:03<jordanm>err from one of the blocks, that should give you a single default gateway to be used
17:03<jordanm>this, however, will be implementing what is called "asymetric routing". typically something to be avoided
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17:03<jordanm>Florense: sorry, have to go for a bit
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17:06<hatter>how do i use rsync with an include file and ssh : ie '--files-from=/include.file user@remote ?
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17:13<valdyn>hatter: user@remote:
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17:15<hatter>valdyn: thx, i havent got it right yet, this is my line: rsync -avz --delete --stats --exclude excludes --files-from=/includes.files user@remote: ./storage
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17:16<valdyn>hatter: whats wrong?
17:17<valdyn>( the syntax isn't )
17:18<hatter>valdyn, thx rsync is telling me this: Use "rsync --daemon --help" to see the daemon-mode command-line options.
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17:20<valdyn>hatter: the syntax is fine, maybe your includes.files isnt
17:20<hatter>valdyn, ah ok i will check
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17:23<Florense>jordanm: still dont work :(
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17:28<sdk>If Everything Is A File.. and you can Write to Any File.. then.. what is the file for a printer? I want to make the prntscr button actually write to a printer, and am trying to figure out how. Anyone ever done that or have suggestions?
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17:29<valdyn>sdk: you dont want to directly write to the printer device
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17:30<sdk>valdyn: lpd then I guess?
17:30<valdyn>sdk: no..
17:30<hatter>valdyn, i was having shell problems and couldnt see all the error, this is what it says: The ':' usages connect via remote shell, while '::' & 'rsync://' usages connect
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17:30<valdyn>sdk: lpd is the bsd printing daemon, you probably are and should be using the cupsd daemon
17:32<valdyn>hatter: i have a feeling this is broken for ssh transport
17:33<hatter>valdyn, ah
17:34<valdyn>hatter: use "user@server:/" ( works for me )
17:35<valdyn>hatter: user@server:~/ works too
17:35<valdyn>hatter: user@server: works not
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17:36<valdyn>sdk: "lp file.ps" or whatever file
17:37<valdyn>sdk: "everything is a file" is probably true in plan9, not really in unix
17:37<valdyn>( now you could create a file to print through, but no one does that )
17:37<sdk>valdyn: It's a 'kiosk' type thing, and I need to have a screen print directly to a printer, is the final task.
17:38<sdk>valdyn: yes, I am using cupsd, btw.
17:39<valdyn>sdk: so use the lp command..
17:39<sdk>valdyn: Manning lp now.. thanks!
17:41<jhutchins_lt>sdk: You _can_ cat file > /dev/lp0 but it's unlikely to be satisfying unless it's a postscript file.
17:42<hatter>valdyn, gr8, thx
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17:43<valdyn>or a pcl file
17:44<Florense>valdyn: my I ask for small help? :) still question about 2 internet channel for 1 webserver
17:45<valdyn>Florense: please just ask, and dont ask me
17:47<Florense>I need to activate 2 different chanel for different websites on one server... so here is: http://go-to.name/interfaces.txt here is my /etc/network/interfaces ping 192.168.0.100 - good, but there are no connetct 192.168.1.100 (second channel)
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17:48<owl>how to make debian users created belong to the same group?
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17:50<Florense>both ips 192.168.*.100 assignet from routers, which transfer all request on :80 port to the server
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17:54<bobillon>hi !
17:54<bobillon>Is it possible to install the kernel 2.6.33 on debian lenny ?
17:55<bobillon>I need it because of the GMA Intel graphic card
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17:56<locklace>yes, but you'll have to build it yourself
17:57<bobillon>i have to compile it ?
17:57<locklace>yes
17:57<jasper>yes, the pains of a monolithic kernel
17:57<locklace>!tell bobillon about kernel-package
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17:59<bobillon>i don't like that because it won't be updated later
17:59<locklace>lenny isn't updated later anyway
17:59<bobillon>i just bought a new laptop, maybe i should go to the unstable version of debian ?
18:00<locklace>no
18:00<locklace>and even if you did, you'd still have to build .33 yourself
18:01<bobillon>hum ok
18:01<sparky4>I have been having real issuses with the Nvidia legacy drivers 173xx and debian squeeze
18:02<bobillon>ok but if i compile my new kernel, should i have to choose every option like i did when i was using gentoo ? or is there a way to just download it and let debian works :P ?
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18:03<Florense>etc/network/interfaces - is it realy one place for cofigure networks?
18:04<locklace>bobillon: you can use the config from a debian kernel (the .32 one from lenny-backports, say) as a starting point
18:04<bobillon>ok
18:04<bobillon>anybody have an idea when the 2.6.33 will be release on debian ?
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18:07<bobillon>i have 3 options, because I don't really care about the graphic performance of my laptop :
18:07<bobillon>1) compile 2.6.33
18:08<bobillon>in fact, i just want to have the resolution 1366x768 on my laptop with my GMA Intel graphic card, I don't care if I can't play game but I wan't to be able to read a divx
18:08<qq->,kernels
18:08<judd>Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.34-1-686 (2.6.34-1~experimental.1); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-13); squeeze: 2.6.32-3-686 (2.6.32-9); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.4-686 (2.6.32-11~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-22lenny1); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2)
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18:09<bobillon>could i use an other driver and setup the good resolution, after that i will wait 2.6.33 will be release and take it after
18:09<bobillon>?
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18:11<jasper>probably
18:12<jasper>what version of your driver are u usin
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18:12<locklace>!u
18:12<dpkg>Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201
18:12<bobillon>i don't know
18:13<bobillon>when i read my log, i think it use vesa driver :s
18:13<locklace>you could try actually using the intel driver
18:14<bobillon>ok i will try it
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18:20<bobillon>when i add Driver "intel" on my xorg.conf => "EE no devices detected"
18:20<bobillon>any idea ?
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18:26<sparky4>....
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18:28<sparky4>bobillon: I have same peoplem with the nvidia driver!
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18:30<bobillon>me with the vesa driver ! :)
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18:33<bobillon>anyone with a GMA Intel graphic card working good ???
18:33<old>bobillon: Yes.
18:34<bobillon>old, which driver and kernel do you use ?
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18:35<old>bobillon: Intel with 2.6.33 now.
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18:35<jhutchins_lt>Intel working fine here.
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18:36<Florense>does anoone have skill with configuring ../network/interfaces for 2 different lan for webserver? eth0 works, eth1 no
18:36<bobillon>old, how did u install the 2.6.33 ??
18:36<jhutchins_lt>82852/855GM
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18:37<old>bobillon: `apt-get install linux-source-2.6.33` and then use make-kpkg to compile. ;-)
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18:38<dandana>howto make /dev/mapper ?
18:39<bobillon>apt-get install linux-source-2.6.33 doesn't exist on my repositories ? whick one do u use ? maybe you are in testing ??
18:39<old>bobillon: I think there is a ready package somewhere in sid or experimental, but installing kernels from experimental is like using IE without firewall.
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18:40<old>bobillon: I run sid with a pinch of experimental. You are using stable, are you?
18:40<bobillon>yes i'm using stable
18:41<dandana>in backports the latest is 2.6.32
18:41<bobillon>yes i saw that
18:41<old>Intel drivers should work with any kernel in stable.
18:42<bobillon>if i add a line Driver intel on my xorg.conf that doesn't work at all => "(EE) no devices detected"
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18:44<tzafrir_laptop>I'm shopping for VPS hosting. I mostly need a "remote file server" to support rsync and such.
18:44<bobillon>old, when i didn't setup anything, it run with vesa which is bad ! do you know how can i specify to use intel ?
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18:45<tzafrir_laptop>I found fivebean.com , which seems to be way cheaper (storage) than the rest. any familiar gotcha with them?
18:45<old>bobillon: Do not add the line. Substitute the current 'vesa' with 'intel'.
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18:46<bobillon>old, there is no vesa on my xorg.conf
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18:47<old>bobillon: Paste it somewhere, please.
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18:48<bobillon>old, http://pastie.org/977147
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18:49<old>bobillon: Almost nothing here. Try to move it aside and generate new xorg.conf.
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18:50<bobillon>old, how can i generate a new one ?
18:50<old>bobillon: `Xorg -configure`.
18:51<matlads>hi. can anyone here help me with how to setup snmp to monitor a specific process on my debian server. I'd like the snmpd (agent) to send a trap to the monitoring system when a specific daemon fails or starts
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18:53<bobillon>old, http://pastie.org/977153
18:54<bobillon>old, if i replace vesa by intel i got an error
18:54<old>bobillon: What error?
18:55<bobillon>old, (EE) no devices detected :|
18:55<bobillon>old, i can't understand that
18:56<qq->try 'intel915'
18:56<old>bobillon: Just to be sure: `apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-intel`.
18:56<bobillon>old, same error
18:57<bobillon>old, ( i guess it's not that but i use debian amd64 )
18:57<old>bobillon: It took you 8seconds to install and check it?
18:57<old>bobillon: So do I.
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18:58<bobillon>old, yes i tried to install xserver...intel : it's already there
18:59<old>bobillon: And qq-'s suggestion didn't work either? Paste the log then.
18:59<qq->lspci -nn | grep VGA , says ?
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19:03<bobillon>old, i tried intel 915 too
19:03<bobillon>i just reboot to try and now my touchpad doesn't work, usb mouse neither :(
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19:04<old>bobillon: `/etc/init.d/gdm restart` instead of rebooting.
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19:05<bobillon>lspci -nn |grep VGA : 00:02.0 VGA compatbile controlelr [0300] : Intel Corporation Device [8086:0046] (rev 12)
19:06<bobillon>that doesn't make sens i have an error with the intel driver ! :(
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19:08<qq->!pciid 8086:0046
19:08<qq->, pciid 8086:0046
19:08<old>bobillon: I've asked you to paste the log. Maybe this will help us help you.
19:08<judd>[8086:0046] is 'Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller' from 'Intel Corporation' with no known kernel module in lenny but has kernel module 'i915' in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:0046
19:08<qq-> kernel module 'i915' in sid
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19:09<old>bobillon: What does `modprobe i915` say?
19:10<bobillon>i got an error with modprobe intel and modprobe i915 !
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19:10<qq->bobillon, uname -r , says ?
19:10<bobillon>2.6.26-2
19:10<bobillon>2.6.26-2-amd64
19:11<old>bobillon: Seems like you need that backported kernel.
19:11<qq->install le .32 from lenny-backports
19:11<bobillon>so i will install sid, it's a new laptop maybe i will have more update driver with sid
19:11<qq->!lenny-backports
19:11<dpkg>backports.org is a semi-official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://deb.li/bpoi . A sample line for your sources.list is: deb http://www.backports.org/debian lenny-backports main contrib non-free. Once added: "aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update". <bpo mirrors> <bpo contents> <bpo list> <backports-users>
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19:12<bobillon>ok ! i will install 2.6.32-bpo.4
19:13*old wonders if modesetting is enabled by default.
19:13<bobillon>i have to do something after the "apt-get install linux-image..." before reboot right ?
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19:14<old>bobillon: I don't think so. Just make sure everything went good.
19:14<qq->bobillon, make sure 'i915' is in xorg.conf
19:15<old>qq-: Why not intel?
19:15<qq->it is intel
19:15<qq->but named 'i915'
19:16<old>qq-: So there's no difference?
19:17<qq->yes , different driverin kernel + xorg
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19:19<bobillon>i got an error on the installation : dependency problems prevente configuration of linux-image-2.6.32-bpo.4-ams64 : ..depends on linux-base (>+ 2.6.32.11~bpo50+1)
19:20<bobillon>that was >= and not >+ sorry
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19:21<old>qq-: I thought i915 is obsoleted by intel. There is no xserver-xorg-video-i915 package...
19:21<old>bobillon: Use aptitude.
19:22<sparky4>hello?
19:22<sparky4>I have been having real issuses with the Nvidia legacy drivers 173xx and debian squeeze....
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19:22<bobillon>ok aptitude was fine
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19:26<bobillon>now i have error for operation with apt-get :(
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19:26<bobillon>linux-base is not configured yet
19:27<old>bobillon: Try `apt-get install -f`.
19:27<bobillon>same error
19:27<old>bobillon: You said aptitude was fine... I'm puzzled.
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19:29<bobillon>old, i thought because i had no error with aptitude but i always had error when i use apt-get
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19:31<bobillon>i cannot remove the linux-base
19:31<old>bobillon: Don't!
19:32<bobillon>ok but what can i do
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19:32<bobillon>when i install 2.6.32 he ask me to edit some stuff on my udev, i say yes and now it's not able to install or remove it
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19:33<old>bobillon: `apt-get install -f` (literally) didn't help?
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19:34<bobillon>no
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19:36<bobillon>it tried to configure the 2.6.3-11~bpo50+1
19:36<bobillon>and i had error "invalid output format udev. chosse from value, device, list or full"
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19:36<sparky4>nobody will help me?
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19:38<old>bobillon: Seems like the package is broken to me.
19:38<bobillon>what can i do ?
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19:39<bobillon>i think i should fix my udev but how ??
19:39<qq->bobillon, that's not an error , do choose says 'full'
19:39<bobillon>that don't ask me anything, how can i choose :s
19:39<bobillon>?
19:40-!-mode/#debian [+l 390] by debhelper
19:40<qq->or reinstall 'aptitude install -t lenny-backports linux-base'
19:40<sparky4>no one?
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19:41<qq->bobillon, but i bag your source are not right
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19:41<old>sparky4: I've seen someone saying that only stable release is supported here.
19:42<bobillon>qq-, old, same error .. he always try to configure 2.6.32-11~bpo50+1
19:42<qq->!tell sparky4 about nvidia m-a
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19:43<qq->bobillon, paste all the output , and the command
19:43<qq->+ your sources.list
19:44<qq->i recall kernel .32 from backport don't need linux-base ..
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19:45<bobillon>http://pastie.org/977222
19:46<qq->where is your backport lines ?
19:46<abrotman>aptitude -f ?
19:46<bobillon>forgot the last line for bakcport, sorry
19:46<bobillon>deb http://www.backports.org/debian lenny-backports main contrib non-free
19:46<bobillon>aptitude -f => no output it's an interface
19:47<bobillon>aptitude install -f => http://pastie.org/977226
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19:48<abrotman>bobillon: aptitude -f install .. sorry, that was implied in my crazy head :)
19:48<bobillon>yes see abose => http://pastie.org/977226
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19:48<abrotman>i saw
19:48<abrotman>jordanm: were you the one that had the URL for the bpo kernel issue ?
19:48<bobillon>and i feel like blind !
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19:49<bobillon>i can do nothing, that make me crazy :@
19:50<abrotman>http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=576608 ?
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19:52<bobillon>abrotman, ok but what should i do ?
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19:53<abrotman>not sure you really can ..
19:53<abrotman>your linux-base is missing a dependency
19:53<bobillon>:s
19:53<abrotman>and that dep isn't in backports.org
19:53<bobillon>what does it mean ?
19:53<abrotman>you can mark that linux-base for removal, and remove the bpo kernel
19:53<bobillon>reinstall debian ?
19:53<old>Installing unstable linux-base atop stable system is not safe, am I right?
19:53<sparky4>FATAL: Error inserting nvidia
19:54<bobillon>i can go to unstable debian, i'm ok with that
19:54<bobillon>even if prefer stay in stable
19:54<bobillon>how can i mark linux-base for removal
19:54<bobillon>each action with apt fail
19:55<old>bobillon: `dpkg -r linux-base`
19:55<old>bobillon: Be careful with that.
19:55<abrotman>bobillon: if you're here asking this type of question, you should not be using unstable
19:55<bobillon>ok so i won't use it
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19:56<bobillon>ok aptitute install -f works after dpkg -r linux-base
19:56<bobillon>what can i do to go to 2.6.32 now ?
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19:57<sparky4>FATAL: Error inserting nvidia (/lib/modules/2.6.32-3-686/updates/dkms/nvidia.ko): No such device <- ;_;
19:57<sparky4>my card is a Gefore FX 5200
19:58<gpm>does it show up in dmesg or lspci?
19:58<abrotman>sparky4: your card is probably too old and no longer supported by that driver
19:59<sparky4>gpm: let me see
19:59<old>bobillon: If you really want to leave stable, which is not recommended, add testing to your sources and try to install newer kernel. Once succeeded you can erase testing from your sources and use a stable system with testing kernel.
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20:00<gpm>abrotman is probably right, you might need the -legacy versions
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20:00<abrotman>!tell sparky4 about nvidia
20:00<sparky4>gpm: the legacey drivers are impossible for me to install
20:00<bobillon>old, the only thing i really need is to make my graphic card work, even bad, i just want the good resolution
20:01<bobillon>and the mouse doesn't work now :s
20:01<gpm>looks like it is supported though
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20:01<gpm>http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/173.14.09/README/appendix-a.html
20:01<abrotman>he should read the wiki, not the nvidia site
20:01<sparky4>how do i install it?
20:01<old>bobillon: This makes your system a mix of two flavours, and such mixes are not for beginners, so you do it for you own risk.
20:02<sparky4>WITH out failing
20:02<bobillon>old, why i can install 2.6.32 from backports :s ?
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20:02<bobillon>if i tried that : aptitude -t lenny-backports install debian-backports-keyring linux-image-2.6.32-bpo.3-amd64 linux-headers-2.6.32-bpo.3-amd64
20:02<bobillon>it ask me about : Keep the following packages at their current version: linux-headers-2.6.32-bpo.3-amd64 [Not Installed] Score is -9881
20:02<dondelelcaro>you shouldn't need the kernel driver to get the video card working
20:03<gpm>abrotman: oh i went to that page from the wiki site
20:03<gpm>but the wiki site is a great starting point
20:03<dondelelcaro>if you're having a hard time of it, use it as a vga card; otherwise the nv driver should work (in theory)
20:03<gpm>it works for everything but 3d acceleration right?
20:03<old>bobillon: This means aptitude recommends you not to install it, as it may cause problems.
20:04<bobillon>old, i got that but why ?? this package is not installed :s
20:04<dondelelcaro>gpm: yes
20:04<sparky4>how do i install the nvidia legacy drivers without fail?
20:04<dondelelcaro>sparky4: why do you want the nvidia drivers?
20:04<gpm>you don't wanna use legacy
20:04<gpm>your card is still supported in the normal drivers
20:05<sparky4>dondelelcaro: rather simple
20:05<old>bobillon: This is the way aptitude says: "it's not installed, and let's leave it like that". You can take [not installed] for a pseudo-version.
20:05<sparky4>dondelelcaro: PLAY SAUERBRATEN
20:05<sparky4>gpm: ok
20:06<bobillon>old, ok thanks
20:06<sparky4>gpm: I cannot get it to work
20:06<sparky4>I am useing squeeze btw
20:06<dondelelcaro>*shrug* good luck
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20:08<bobillon>i should go
20:08<bobillon>i will try more tomorrow
20:08<old>You can try what I said (testing into sources, get kernel, remove testing from sources), but this is dangerous for your system and I'll not help you with this now. I'm going to school in 4hours.
20:08<bobillon>thanks to everybody for your help
20:08<sparky4>how do I fix?
20:08<bobillon>yes i have to leave too
20:08<old>bobillon: See you tomorrow then. Goodnight.
20:08<sparky4>I cannot use the normal drivers because It keeps failing
20:09<bobillon>thanks very much for your help !!
20:09<bobillon>bye
20:09<chealer>sparky4: installing nvidia drivers from upstream is not supported here
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20:09<dondelelcaro>the normal drivers work just fine; they only fail when you're dealing with 3D stuff
20:09<sparky4>chealer: I installed it from the debian p[ackage respitory
20:09<dondelelcaro>eventually, the nouveau drivers will support 3D, but...
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20:10<sparky4>dondelelcaro: I hope so!
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20:10<sparky4>SIGH
20:10<chealer>sparky4: squeeze doesn't have legacy nvidia drivers
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20:10<sparky4>i might as well DOWN grade to WINDOWS ME to play Sauerbraten
20:10<sparky4>should I down grade to lenny?
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20:18<abrotman>sparky4: that's one option
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20:27<sparky4>should I down grade to lenny?
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20:30<gpm>sparky4: you can't dowgrade without reinstalling
20:31<sparky4>gpm: .... THEN HOW DO i GET THIS BLASTED DRIVER WORKING?
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20:32<gpm>with some patience for starters
20:32<sparky4>ok
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20:32<gpm>did you go to that debian wiki page on nvidia drivers?
20:33<gpm>you're on squeeze?
20:33<sparky4>no and yes
20:33<sparky4>DEFIANT YES
20:33<gpm>ok, i'd start from scratch and follow the instructions at wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers
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20:36<sparky4>gpm: compy4:~# grep -B2 'Module class: X.Org Video Driver' /var/log/Xorg.0.log
20:36<sparky4>(II) Module nvidia: vendor="NVIDIA Corporation"
20:36<sparky4> compiled for 4.0.2, module version = 1.0.0
20:36<sparky4> Module class: X.Org Video Driver
20:36<sparky4>gpm: dose that mean the driver works?
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20:38<gpm>does X start?
20:39<sparky4>gpm: NOPE
20:39<sparky4>FATAL: Error inserting nvidia (/lib/modules/2.6.32-3-686/updates/dkms/nvidia.ko): No such device <- ;_;
20:40<abrotman>i thought you were going to use lenny?
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20:41<abrotman>and we already told you that is likely the wrong nvidia driver for your card
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20:41<gpm>how did you install the driver?
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20:41<DoyoQ>#server dalnet
20:42<gpm>i seem to remember that i had to use the sid version of nvidia-kernel-src 'cause the squeeze version didn't compile
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20:43<sparky4>!!??
20:43<dpkg>I'm not your csh prompt!
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20:43<sparky4>gpm: installed normally
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20:43<gpm>define normally
20:43<abrotman>i seriously doubt that the non-legacy one will work
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20:44<sparky4>modual assistant and x configuration
20:44<gpm>abrotman: why's that? the card is allegedly supported
20:45<abrotman>there's a script on that wiki page to tell you if it will work
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20:45<gpm>sparky4: so you installed nvidia-kernel-src and ran m-a a-i nvidia?
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20:46<abrotman>or don't run the script ..
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20:47<sparky4>gpm: I don't know ill take a look
20:48<sparky4>gpm: Package nvidia-kernel-src is not available, but is referred to by another package.
20:48<sparky4>This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
20:48<sparky4>is only available from another source
20:48<sparky4>However the following packages replace it:
20:48<sparky4> nvidia-kernel-legacy-96xx-source nvidia-kernel-legacy-71xx-source
20:48<sparky4>E: Package nvidia-kernel-src has no installation candidate
20:48<sparky4>.-.
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20:55<sparky4> gpm: yes
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20:57<Kyle12>I recompiled my Kernel on Debian, however I lost the TSC clock source, anyone have any idea why that might be?
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21:03<sparky4>gpm: debian bug?
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21:10<sparky4>where is the system kernel logs located?
21:10<Pryon>/var/log
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21:22<sparky4>Pryon: ok
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21:38<Pandemicfox>how can i turn off serial 8250 in BIOS ?
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21:42<ninjai>is there any way to add a mounted bookmarked folder for ubuntu one to gnome-panel?
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21:43<abrotman>ninjai: you should ask #ubuntu on irc.freenode.net
21:43<ninjai>abrotman: thanks... i thought I was connected t those servers haha, my bad
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21:48<sparky4>how do I get the legacy drivers to work on debian squeeze?
21:49<abrotman>sparky4: you were already told
21:49<sparky4>abrotman: told what?
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21:50<sparky4>May 25 14:32:33 compy4 kernel: [ 56.706874] NVRM: The NVIDIA GeForce FX 5200 GPU installed in this system is
21:50<sparky4>May 25 14:32:33 compy4 kernel: [ 56.706879] NVRM: supported through the NVIDIA 173.14.xx Legacy drivers.
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21:52<sparky4>sigh
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21:53<sparky4>abrotman: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=574473 ><;
21:53<sparky4>BUGS
21:54<abrotman>then use stable
21:54<sparky4>abrotman: my system is debian squeeze
21:54<sparky4>can i use stable packages?
21:54<abrotman>i told you what to do
21:55<abrotman>if it were me, personally, i'd get rid of the nvidia hardware
21:55<sparky4>abrotman: ATI is better?
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22:05<zem>hi, i just reinstalled debian, testing and i can't get sound working, alsamixer seems fine, volume control in gnome too. When i set "autodetect" as output device in gstreamer-proporties and try to test it i get "Cannot connect to server socket err = No such file or directory" "Cannot connect to server socket" "jack server is not running or cannot be started"
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22:09<jay_>hello, my roommate has his computer with windows and we share the internet connection through a router, does anyone know what I have to do in my debian box to be able to transfer files from his machine to mine over the network, or where to find info on that?
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22:53<steve__>@jay, try looking into ftp or sftp file transfering
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22:59<bandi_e>hi all
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23:02<edbian>I'm helping a friend add ram to his system. I can't see him or the system in person. How can I figure out the ram speed and type and all that? He doesn't know anything about it.
23:03<abrotman>edbian: ask ##hardware .. but probably have him crack the case and get the mobo model and use a website to find out
23:04<abrotman>edbian: if they have linux, /msg dpkg whatsmyhardware
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23:07<edbian>!whatsmyhardware
23:08<edbian>It's not a flag? ^^
23:08<edbian>Nevermind, There are spaces
23:11<edbian>Thanks guys
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23:15<edbian>dmidecode -t memory : doesn't give me if the ram is DDR1 or 2 or what speed or anything.
23:19<paultag>edbian, try `lshw`
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23:19<edbian>paultag, I found something in i2c-tools that was helpful
23:19<paultag>kk
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23:41<edbian>I have dovecot and squirrel mail running on a debian lenny server. How can I connect to this mail envo using evolution? Reading mail works fine but sending is being identified as "relay attempt"
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23:51<robh>has anyone seen (on lenny) several of the daemons (all started from init.d) become priority -2 for no apparent reason?
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