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00:04<brian>any girl?
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00:08<jay_>hello, can anyone tell me how to share a folder so that other computers on the lan can copy the files?
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00:14<dandana>hi everybody !
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00:17<edbian>jay_, You have a lot to learn. Google it.
00:18<paultag>jay_, the most straight forward way is to use SSH. install SSH on the server machine and man scp
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00:18<paultag>jay_, good luck :)
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00:18<jay_>edbian, already did, they talk about samba or NFS and they say they are not necessary if all you want to do is share a folder
00:19<jay_>paultag, I'll do that thanks
00:19<paultag>jay_, sure thing
00:19<edbian>jay_, I disagree. One of them is necessary to share folders. NFS is linux only. Samba is linux or windows but would be silly on all linux. There are a couple others. sshfs, sftp, cifs
00:20<paultag>edbian, sshfs uses sftp
00:20<edbian>paultag, I stand corrected
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01:12<larsie>Hi. I got a problem setting up my pcmcia card, airo_cs, cisco 340 series. The driver is loaded, airo_cs, but it fails to recieve an IP adress from my Wlan router, which have no key or security.
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01:55<sparky4>compy4:~# modprobe nvidia
01:55<sparky4>FATAL: Error inserting nvidia (/lib/modules/2.6.32-3-686/updates/dkms/nvidia.ko): No such device
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01:56<jm_>anything in dmesg?
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01:57<Nemoder_>sparky4: how did you install the driver?
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01:57<sparky4>Nemoder_: dEBIAN WAY AND then Nvidia way
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01:57<sparky4>both failed
01:58<Nemoder_>did you remove the debian files before using nvidia's installer?
01:58<bobdole>anyone having problems w/ evince segfaulting on startup?
01:58<bobdole>i've found a few bugreports
01:58<bobdole>seems p. serious
01:58<Nemoder_>bobdole: works for me on 64bit testing
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01:58<bobdole>Nemoder_, I'm using i386 32bit testing; i think it's relating to running it for the first time
01:59<jm_>sparky4: you need to use the legacy driver
01:59<bobdole>** (evince:25534): WARNING **: Error creating last_settings file: Error opening file '/home/adam/.gnome2/evince/last_settings': No such file or directory
01:59<bobdole>Segmentation fault
01:59<bobdole>everyone else filing bug reports is only having it associated w/ that warning too
01:59<sparky4>jm_: it always fail to build
01:59<Nemoder_>bobdole: looks like you are right, i removed those files and it segfault
01:59*simonrvn uses evince-gtk ...
02:00<jm_>sparky4: yeah there's a bug in one of the header files IIRC
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02:00<bobdole>Nemoder_, thanks for confirming
02:01<sparky4>jm_: a Debian bugs is causing this?
02:01<jm_>sparky4: yes, Debians package ships a file that's normally modified when you build it, and while doing it this way they made a mistake in a newer version, let me see if I can find the details
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02:03<Nemoder_>sparky4: btw, your error suggests it is still trying to load the debian module since the nvidia installer puts it under video not updates/dkms
02:03<pewpew>Hi. My wifi0 card won't get any essid name, nor will it get IP, even under 'static', either will it accept 'force AP'. I cannot connect to my wireless. it has no security, and it's running a DHCP. my card should be working, as showing in pccardctl status/ident, and my protocol is loaded, airo_cs.
02:03<pewpew>any tips to help me through this?
02:04<pewpew>I'm using cisco 340 series Wlan adapter, 16bit.
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02:07<jm_>sparky4: try with this legacy deb
02:07<jm_>sorry for the lame paste
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02:07<jm_>it might mean you'll need other new bits from sid
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02:11<BabyJesus>Hey, is there any way to create a copy of a bootable flash drive onto another flash drive?
02:11<BabyJesus>And maintain it's functionality?
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02:14<sparky4>BabyJesus: you gotta copy the entire image of the drive
02:14<BabyJesus>But how?
02:15<sparky4>BabyJesus: special programs that copy drive's images
02:15<diggy>dd if=/dev/flash1 of=/dev/flash2
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02:15<BabyJesus>dd didn't work for me.
02:15<BabyJesus>I tried it in OS X
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02:16<sparky4>BabyJesus: you know about ISO files?
02:16<gsimmons>pewpew: WRT airo_cs, you should be configuring the ethX interface (e.g. eth1), not wifi0. You might also want to amend any MAC filters in use (if any) and confirm your access point allows 802.11b ("Wireless-B") devices.
02:16<BabyJesus>Maybe I'd have to unmount them using the Terminal first
02:16<sortkrudt>gsimmons, ok.
02:16<BabyJesus>Well, I know they're images, yeah.
02:16<sortkrudt>my wifi0 gets an insane long hw adress: HWaddr 00-40-96-35-D8-D3-65-74-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00
02:17<sortkrudt>is this a bug, or have I done anything wrong.
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02:17<gsimmons>sortkrudt: Again, forget about wifi0.
02:18<sparky4>jm_: now what do I do?
02:18<sortkrudt>I guess I got confused about iwconfig.
02:19<jm_>sparky4: what did you do so far?
02:19<sortkrudt>thx gsimmons.
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02:19<sparky4>jm_: installed the package
02:19<sortkrudt>wifi0: unknown hardware address type 801*2 times, Sending on Socket/fallback. (ifup eth1)
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02:21<jm_>sparky4: m-a build nvidia-kernel-legacy-173xx-source
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02:23<sparky4>jm_: FAIL!
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02:29<jm_>sparky4: are all your error reports as useful?
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02:31<dbvolio>i have made an shoutcast radio server
02:32<KingKong2009>jm_, Finally got that X freeze issue solved. Definately was the openchrome driver issue.
02:32<dbvolio>all the time it shows me that the streaming it's offline though it works fine
02:32<dbvolio>i can't listen to my playlist
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02:33<dbvolio>Server Status: Server is currently down.
02:33<dbvolio>but why?
02:33<MartinKaufmann>Hi! I've got Debian 5.0.4 i386 running on an old PC. Now I'd like to migrate it to a VMware ESX environment and thought about using the amd64 port. Is this the preferred option?
02:34<MartinKaufmann>If yes, can I re-use my current package list (which I got using dpkg --get-selections "*")?
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02:35<jm_>KingKong2009: how?
02:35<jm_>MartinKaufmann: sure, and you don't need "*" argument
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02:36<jm_>MartinKaufmann: but do you really need 64bit functionality?
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02:36<KingKong2009>jm_, The VIA P4M800 IGP chipset does not support DRI. So I added disable dri to my empty xorg.conf
02:36<MartinKaufmann>jm_: I guess I don't really need 64bit. Do you think I might be better off using i386?
02:36<KingKong2009>jm_, I have reported the bug to Debian maintainer
02:36<jm_>KingKong2009: right, I was thinking yesterday - perhaps disable DRI if you don't need 3D but forgot to mention it
02:36<MartinKaufmann>It's a server (web server mainly).
02:37<dbvolio>what should i do with my radio server?
02:37<KingKong2009>jm_, woohoo the system has been running smoothly since yesterday.
02:37<dbvolio>it shows Server Status: Server is currently down.
02:38<dbvolio>trough winamp i cant listen to my radio's playlist
02:38<jm_>MartinKaufmann: ok in that case it doesn't really matter
02:39<MartinKaufmann>jm_: What you're saying is that for a server 64bit is OK? And that the package names are the same between the various ports?
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02:40<jm_>MartinKaufmann: yup; yes
02:40<jm_>MartinKaufmann: granted, some packages are missing etc. but there are very few
02:40<MartinKaufmann>jm_: OK, thanks for your help. I'm going ahead with amd64 in this case.
02:41<KingKong2009>MartinKaufmann, I have been Debian amd64 for several years now, no big issues so far
02:41<MartinKaufmann>jm_: OK, but I guess dpkg --set-selections is going to skip them.
02:42<jm_>MartinKaufmann: yeah it shall be OK
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03:18<sparky4>jm_: what do I do now?
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03:23<dbvolio>i have a problem
03:23<dbvolio>i have this page
03:23<jm_>sparky4: I have no idea, perhaps start by putting your error on a pastebin so others can see it
03:24<dbvolio>wait there is not the problem
03:24<dbvolio>the problem is here:::
03:24<dbvolio>when i hit ./ to centova i get
03:24<dbvolio>The file <b>/var/www/centovacast-2.2.3/system/installutil.php</b> has been encoded with the <a href="">ionCube PHP Encoder</a> and requires the free <a href="">ionCube PHP Loader</a> to be installed.
03:24<dbvolio>Please correct the above problems and then restart this installation
03:25<dbvolio>the ioncube is working but the installer gives the same error!!
03:25<dbvolio>what should i do??
03:26<dbvolio>i want to install centova cast
03:26<jmm_>hi #debian .
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03:27<dbvolio>so ??
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03:29<dbvolio>any hep please??
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03:31<sortkrudt>damn cisco pcmcia card -_-
03:33<sparky4>jm_: this is the log
03:33<sparky4>of X and Nvidia Drivers
03:34<jm_>sparky4: I can't access that now (I'm at work)
03:35<sparky4>jm_: it is a harmless log file
03:35<sparky4>jm_: this is the log ******
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03:37<jm_>sparky4: yes, I am just trying to say that I can't access it now due to circumstances outside my control, while say works
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03:39<rpgal>"aptitude -F%p search '(!~i)' |wc -l" shows a few thousand less packages than the "Not installed" section in Synaptic. What am I doing wrong?
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03:42<rpgal>OOPS, I MEANT "MORE"!
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03:46<mh182>Hi all. My dhcp client (dhcp3-client) spamms my syslog (and daemon.og) with DHCPREQUEST (each minute once). I tried to reconfigure it with dhcpclient.conf. No luck so far. any suggestions how I can increase the time period for the DHCP requests?
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03:48<dondelelcaro>mh182: increase your dhcp server's lease time
03:49<rpgal>dondelelcaro: But I asked first!
03:49<mh182>dondelelcaro: basic question - is the request triggered by the server or by the client?
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03:50<mh182>dondelelcaro: ahh, got it. the client triggers it based on the lease time received from the server
03:50<dondelelcaro>mh182: client, but it does so only when its lease is near expiry
03:50<rpgal>mh182: The client, I'd guess.
03:50<mh182>dondelelcaro: OK, thx. will try to change the lease time on my router then
03:50<dondelelcaro>mh182: there's pretty much no reason to have a lease time less than hours on a router for a LAN
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03:50<rpgal>Now my question :)
03:50<dondelelcaro>(you could easily go to days or weeks with little ill effect)
03:51<dondelelcaro>rpgal: I don't use synaptic, and I'm honestly not sure why it matters.
03:51<dondelelcaro>if there's a specific example of a package, then we could perhaps assist you
03:51<mh182>but basically there should be a way to an overrule the server lease settings on the clinet side. Imagine the ISP is sending the lease (instead of my router).
03:52<dondelelcaro>mh182: you can't
03:52<dondelelcaro>mh182: the reason is that the client needs to request a lease extension before the lease expires, or the server could theoretically hand out its IP again
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03:53<dondelelcaro>well, I suppose there are ways of getting it to happen, but they're all fundamentally broken, and not something I'm going to bother to find out how to do and/or explain
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03:58<rpgal>dondelelcaro: You don't need to use Synaptic to reproduce this potential bug. Use "apt-cache stats |grep 'Total package'" and compare the output to the output of "aptitude -F%p search '(!~i)' |wc -l".
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04:00<rpgal>dondelelcaro: Although, to be honest, "aptitude -F%p search '(~T)' |wc -l" is more convincing for a comparison.
04:01<rpgal>dondelelcaro: Stuff making sense usually matters
04:01<Sharik>Hi all! Could anybody help me with (un)encrypting?
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04:01<Sharik>unencrypting the home directory
04:02<rpgal>Sharik: Sure. Tell us your passphrase.
04:02<Sharik> well, I try to explain the problem
04:02<Sharik> I wanted to change the home directory from /home/X to /home/Y. To do this, I did mv /home/X /home/Y, I changed the references of /etc/passwd, /etc/shadow/ and /etc/group files and also I changed the owner by chown -R Y:Y /home/Y
04:03<Sharik>I did in this way before and everything was well, but now...
04:03<Sharik>When I saw in the new home (/home/Y), I only have two files, an icon desktop and a Readme.txt file
04:04<Sharik>readme.txt file says: THIS DIRECTORY HAS BEEN UNMOUNTED TO PROTECT YOUR DATA. From the command line, run: ecryptfs-mount-private
04:04<Sharik>so, it seems, I had the old home encrypted and now, I think I've to mount the home with the encrypting tool (ecryptfs) but I've no idea
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04:04<rpgal>Sharik: What happens if you mv /home/Y /home/X and try again?
04:04<Sharik>any idea about how to mount the new home with the encrypting tool or what to do?
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04:06<Sharik>I didn't try it, but I don't think it will do undo anything
04:06<Sharik>moreover, I need the new home
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04:13<Sharik>when I exec ecryptfs-mount-private I get Cannot examine encrypted directory
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04:21<Sharik>well, any idea??
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05:53<dbvolio>i need little guidance
05:53<dbvolio>i need a free webhost control panel
05:54<dbvolio>which one would you suggest?
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07:27<future_>this is debian?
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07:46<C-Otto>hi there
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07:50<austinium>is there any way to convert the output of a shell command to XML?
07:50<austinium>say df
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07:53<jm_>sure there is
07:54<locklace><df_output>***df output goes here***</df_output>
07:54<koollman>locklace: :)
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08:04<Hanato_Kobato>can i get some help with fixing the grub so i can boot into windows again?
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08:10<Torsten_W>Hanato_Kobato, do we know your problem?
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08:11<Hanato_Kobato>i cannot boot into windows 7 from the grub, it just brings me back to the menu
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08:13<Torsten_W>Hanato_Kobato, do wie know your setup?
08:13<Torsten_W>Hanato_Kobato, fdisk -l, menu.lst
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08:16<lancelot_of>hi all, how to uninstall a winzoz .exe installed in wine?
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08:18<dbldtx>lancelot_of; how did you install it? With an install wizard (ActivShield or similar) in Wine?
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08:19<dbldtx>lancelot_of; is there not an uninstall file in a similar location in the Wine filesystem?
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08:19<lancelot_of>dbldtx, no, there isn't any, i installed through "wine Setup*.exe"
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08:20<lancelot_of>dbldtx, maybe just removing the software dir in ~/.wine/drive_c?
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08:21<dbldtx>What program is it? Most programs that have a setup.exe will have an uninstall. It'll still be partially installed I believe.
08:21<dbldtx>Removing the directory wouldn't be the *proper* way to do it.
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08:31<nestor_>alguien en español - spanish???
08:32<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat
08:32<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat
08:32<XayOn>ansgar: :D
08:32<nestor_>ok, tank you
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09:08<sdk>Good morning all.. Does anyone have an idea of how I would remap a key (in this case the prntscr) to run a script? I'm trying to get the prntscr key to print directly to a printer (using lp: thanks Valdyn!)
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09:08<jm_>sdk: and what would it print?
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09:11<jm_>in any case, xbindkeys shall work - I use lineakd for some stuff (volume,mute)
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09:14<sdk>jm_: just a webpage.. I'm setting up a 'kiosk' type dedicated use system.
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09:15<sdk>jm_: literally just a printscr to the printer is all I want to do.. no copy to buffer, nothing.. just hit the key and the printer spits out the current screen.
09:16<sdk>sdk: Sorry, that sounded a little terse. Not meant to be, just trying to clarify what I'm tryhint to achieve. :)
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10:01<asaleem>I can't scp Is that normal?
10:01<asaleem>I am on Debian testing
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10:05<sdk>So, to repost, I'm trying to get the prntscr key to do just that.. output the current screen directly to a connected printer. I believe I need to use a short script involving 'lp', however I can't find out how I would remap the key to run a script. Anyone have ideas?
10:06<jordanm>sdk: in xfce the keyboard settings GUI allows me to map hotkeys to commands. perhaps your DE offers something similar
10:06<sdk>jordanm: DE?
10:07<jordanm>sdk: desktop environment
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10:07<sdk>jordanm: Ahah. :) Duh.
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10:24<noukist>hello everybody
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10:24<noukist>i deleted the main panel by mistake in my ubuntu
10:25<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
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10:26<noukist>do you know any other channel at least
10:27<Ganneff>read the msg from dpkg, it tells you
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10:33<sdk>Ganneff: just /join #ubuntu
10:34<sdk>or google: irc ubuntu
10:34<sdk>methinks it is: </server> then </join #ubnuntu>
10:34<jordanm>sdk: /join #ubuntu is not enough. this is OFTC and that channel is on freenode
10:35<sdk>jordanm: Heh, one step ahead of you, good sir. :)
10:35<sdk>Prolly ought to be put into dpkg's factoid, actually..
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10:35<sdk>Oh, nm, it is.. DUH.
10:36<sdk>I ought to learn to read.
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10:39<acovrig>when I installed, it asked if I wanted to install any additional packages, what are they and what apt-get are each one (I don't want to spend all afternoon reinstalling to get to that and I accidentally pressed enter instead of space)
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10:40<acovrig>when I installed, it asked if I wanted to install any additional packages, what are they and what apt-get are each one (I don't want to spend all afternoon reinstalling to get to that and I accidentally pressed enter instead of space)
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10:41<gsimmons>dpkg: tell acovrig -about tasksel
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10:53<eeeuser>Q: Who has upload rights to packages, only Debian Developers, or just plain vanilla package maintainers?
10:53<eeeuser>Or does this distinction not make sense
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10:56<locklace>!es Darex
10:56<dpkg>Darex: Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat
10:57<chealer>eeeuser: only Debian Developers in general, mere maintainers can have upload right to some packages.
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10:57<eeeuser>thats what I thought, but couldn't find anything to confirm. Thanks.
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10:57<eeeuser>I assume this is the Uploaders: field in control?
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10:59<locklace>!slap Darex
10:59*dpkg strikes a resounding *THWAP* across Darex's face
10:59<Darex>yo me llamo Darex
11:00<locklace>Darex: hablan ingles o salir, niño con retraso de una hiena leprosa
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11:01<Darex>ai alguien?
11:02<Darex>mi movil es muy guay
11:02<locklace>!lart Darex
11:02*dpkg pulls out his louisville slugger and uses Darex's head to break the homerun record
11:02<Darex>todos sois capuyos
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11:06<bja>locklace: the correct syntax of your sentence would be: "Habla inglés o salte, hijo retrasado de una hiena leprosa. "
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11:36<acovrig>how do I create a locate database?
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11:37<ghantoos>acovrig: sudo apt-get install locate
11:37<ghantoos>acovrig: sudo updatedb
11:37<jordanm>why do you assume he has installed and configured sudo for his user?
11:38<jordanm>!tell ghantoos about why aptitude
11:38<acovrig>ghantoos, thats fine, I have sudo configured ok
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11:40<ghantoos>acovrig: you're welcome ;)
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11:42<ghantoos>jordanm: i prefer using apt-get, but thanks
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11:46<jordanm>ghantoos: thats if fine, but please do not recommend it to others
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11:49<ghantoos>jordanm: who said apt-get was obsoleted by aptitude?
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11:51<ghantoos>jordanm: just saw the input in the wiki, it seems like you are right
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11:51<A-Spec>hello, i have a quick question regarding file systems in debian
11:51<xxx>heya anyone got skype running on Squeeze ?
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11:51<A-Spec>is there a filesystem i could implement which would span 19 tb of data using a base install of Debian?
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11:52<jordanm>ghantoos: its not "obsolete". its more intended for end users. another good example is insmod vs modprobe or update-rc.d vs sysv-rc-conf. the commands are not obsolete, they can still be used, but are not nescessarily intended for use by the end-user
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11:52<weasel>A-Spec: xfs should be able to do that, shouldn't it?
11:53<@Ganneff>A-Spec: xfs, jfs. depends which you like more.
11:53<A-Spec>i looked into that but xfs isn't included in the base install and i'm having some issues installing it
11:53<jordanm>ghantoos: aptitude does still lack features that apt has, downloading source packages for example
11:53<@Ganneff>i think even ext could work
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11:53<weasel>A-Spec: erm.
11:53<jordanm>!tell ghantoos about why not aptitude
11:53<@Ganneff>A-Spec: it definitely is there. xfsprogs for the fsck, and be done
11:53<weasel>A-Spec: that statement doesn't make much sense
11:54<@Ganneff>(though, ext will have nice fsck times with 19tb)
11:54<A-Spec>it's there by default? when i run mkfs.xfs it tells me the command can't be found
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11:54<A-Spec>so use fsck instead?
11:54<@Ganneff>A-Spec: xfsprogs
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11:54<@Ganneff>the support foo is not there by default, cos not everyone uses xfs.
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11:57<A-Spec>i'll check it out, thanks for all your help :)
11:57<dpkg>*** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. If someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get or aptitude.
11:57<edbian>I'm trying to connect to my dovecot mail server using evolution and I can't seem to check the mail folders. Additionally checking supported authentication types does not work. Both of them return "connection refused from server" errors. This only happens if I put in my FQDN. If I use local addresses everything works fine. What might be the problem? The server logs aren't helping.
11:58<@Ganneff>1your fqdn points to a different thing than the local addresses, i would bet
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12:00<xxx>heya anyone got skype running on Squeeze ? can it even be done?
12:00<edbian>my fqdn points to the router...
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12:00<edbian>Ganneff, The rest of my FQDN services work. (www, ssh,)
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12:02<jordanm>edbian: what kind of connection is this? its not uncommon for home ISPs (atleast in my coutry) to implement blocking or filtering on mail ports
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12:02<edbian>jordanm, smtp
12:02<edbian>Problem is though: I can send mail fine
12:02<edbian>I just can't check the inbox
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12:03<jordanm>edbian: sorry, I meant what type of internet connection
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12:03<edbian>Comcast broadband
12:03<jordanm>edbian: "home" or "business"?
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12:03<edbian>home ;)
12:04<jordanm>edbian: since its against their AUP for you to host services, I would not be suprised if they are blocking or filtering your connection.
12:04<bja>edbian: telneting to port 143 is giving you any interesting info?
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12:05<bja>edbian: also paste dovecot -n for any info off the beaten path that might be usefull
12:05<jordanm>edbian: also, they will likely cut off your internet if you are found to be hosting an email server
12:06<edbian>jordanm, ouch
12:06<edbian>How do I telnet to port 143?
12:06<edbian>what is the command?
12:06<jordanm>telnet host port
12:06<edbian>telnet user@host:143
12:07<edbian>telnet 143 connects fine. I even get my OK Dovecot ready message
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12:07<bja>ok, check dovecots logs
12:07<edbian>how to I quit the connection? I'm used to telnet
12:07<bja>or for the matter grep dovecot /var/log/mail.log
12:08<bja> ctr d
12:08<edbian>ctrl+d does not work
12:08<jordanm>what produces mail.log?
12:08<jordanm>C-c should do it
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12:08<edbian>Nothing thrilling in the logs
12:08<edbian>It shows the telnet connection
12:08<bja>jordanm: usually mtas
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12:08<edbian>I think this has something to do with the server wanted SSL secured connections only. Does that make sense?
12:09<jordanm>bja: sendmail produces /var/log/maillog and exim4 produces /var/log/exim4/mainlog
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12:09<jordanm>postfix maybe?
12:09<bja>jordanm: yes, postifix, afaik also exim4 depends on where you want to have your mail log, it is usually configurable
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12:10<bja>it is more distro dependant than program depandent
12:10<jordanm>bja: ah well, I do see my exim4 server has a mail.log... which gets rotated but all empty
12:10<trmanovo>anybody knows what happened to bottom gnome menu bar in lenny, it started showing weird numbers after update
12:10<bja>jordanm: I use postfix, but dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config should give you some insight to that
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12:11<jordanm>bja: log locations is not one of the questions asked
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12:11<jordanm>anyways, its not a big deal, I was just curious
12:11<bja>edbian: also check /var/log/auth.log for any connection mistakes
12:11<bja>jordanm: :)
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12:14<bja>Is there a way to make dig fetch all the dns register of a domain?
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12:16<locklace>bja: man dig | less '+/zone transfer'
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12:16<bja>locklace: thx
12:16<edbian>Because I can telnet on port 143 I can rule out the ISP blocking me is that right?
12:16<trmanovo>has anyone had weird behavior in bottom menu bar (lenny gnome desktop)?
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12:17<bja>edbian: yes
12:17<edbian>bja, Thanks
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12:17<old>bobillon: How's your X?
12:18<bobillon>old, not really good
12:18<bobillon>old, i reinstall debian today
12:18<bobillon>old, after that i was able to go to 2.6.32 with backport
12:19<bobillon>old, but i have the same problem, when i try driver "intel" in my xorg.conf i got "(EE) No devices detected. Fatal server error:no screens found"
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12:22<bobillon>old, i don't know what can i do
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12:23<old>bobillon: You've reconfigured X with `Xorg -configure` right?
12:23<bobillon>old, i tried i915 too, "modprobe i915" works but i got "(EE) Failed to load module "i915" (module does not exist, 0)" when i tried to start X :s
12:23<bobillon>non i didn't
12:23<bobillon>i will try
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12:24<old>bobillon: Don't confuse kernel modules with X's modules. ;-)
12:25<old>If you didn't then it should start with mesa... Have you installed the drivers?
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12:25<edbian>Is it against comcast's rules to host ssh or www servers?
12:25<bobillon>ok same with Xorg -configure..
12:26<bobillon>no i edit xorg.conf to say use intel
12:26<old>bobillon: Make sure you do have what you want to use...
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12:27<bobillon>yes a apt-get install xorg....-intel said it's already install
12:27<locklace>bobillon: paste the output of lspci -knn at
12:28<bobillon>old, i didn't know there is X module
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12:29<locklace>,pciid 8086:0046
12:29<judd>[8086:0046] is 'Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller' from 'Intel Corporation' with no known kernel module in lenny but has kernel module 'i915' in sid. See also
12:29<old>locklace: We went through this yesterday.
12:29<bobillon>ok so i should go to sid
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12:30<old>bobillon: Paste the log, please.
12:30<bobillon>wich log ? Xorg ? with driver "intel" ?
12:30<old>bobillon: How come a reinstall enabled you to install backported kernel?
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12:31<old>bobillon: Yes, that one.
12:31<locklace>paste your dmesg too
12:31<bobillon>i don't know but that worked, i format the / and after the backport kernel installation was ok
12:32<old>bobillon: Maybe they updated the package... I thought you've changed release.
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12:37<bobillon>xorg log =>
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12:39<bobillon>dmesg =>
12:39<bobillon>i don't think so, if the "name" of the package is the same : 2.6.32-bpo.4...
12:40<old>bobillon: Really strange. No errors but "no devices found" preceded with "Primary device is ...". 8|
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12:40<bobillon>.... that will make me crazy !
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12:41<locklace>i just chalk this up to yet another case of "intel driver sucks"
12:42<locklace>,versions xserver-xorg-video-intel
12:42<judd>xserver-xorg-video-intel -- etch: 2:2.2.1-1~etchnhalf2; lenny: 2:2.3.2-2+lenny6; sid: 2:2.9.1-4; squeeze: 2:2.9.1-4; experimental: 2:2.11.0-1
12:43<old>bobillon: I'd try to comment pci address from xorg.conf out.
12:44<bobillon>do you think go to sid will help me ?
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12:45<locklace>bobillon: have you tried the x from squeeze yet
12:45<bobillon>same with the line BusID "PCI:0:2:0" commented :S
12:46<old>bobillon: You may try, but be ready for other problems. I don't say they will appear, but it's more likely than with stable release.
12:46<bobillon>no i didn't try, i only try lenny and kernel 2.6.32 backported
12:46<locklace>bobillon: your next step is to upgrade to squeeze
12:46<bobillon>old, yes i know that but apparently there is no other suggestion
12:46<locklace>bobillon: the kernel is fine (and is almost the same as the squeeze kernel); the problem is the old version of the x driver
12:46<bobillon>so i should try sid or squeeze ??
12:46<old>bobillon: There is. Listen to locklace. ;-)
12:47<bobillon>old, lol !
12:47<locklace>although you should be aware that the intel x driver just sucks in general, so ymmv
12:47<bobillon>i thought update kernel will update my X driver ! i didn't know they are different
12:48<jordanm>bobillon: xorg modules are not kernel modules but in some cases depend on a kernel module
12:48<bobillon>so what do you think... sid or squeeze ??
12:48<locklace>dpkg: tell bobillon about lenny->squeeze
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12:50<bobillon>locklace, why not sid at first time ?
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12:50<locklace>because it's sid
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12:50<sdk>Ok, so, I've got the script to print a file to the printer via lp, simple enough, once you know how. Now I need to figure out how to have the script grab the screen rather than just print a test file. What is the command for printscreen? Hmm..
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12:52<bobillon>locklace, :s ok !
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12:52<locklace>bobillon: it's like if i offer you the choice between five dollars, and five dollars plus a hammer blow to the head
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12:53<bobillon>locklace, lol i got it :D
12:53<icebrain>sdk: import -window root /path/to/file
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12:55<bobillon>should i update my kernel like dpkg told me ???
12:55<sdk>icebrain: Yeap, just fount it from ImageMagick. :) THanks ice!
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12:55<bobillon>i think i should because i have the backport version
12:56<locklace>bobillon: yes (it's actually less necessary precisely because you have the backport kernel, but do it anyway)
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12:57<bobillon>i did it
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13:08<vittorio>salut tout le monde hi !
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13:23<bobillon>locklace, old, that works !!!!! thank you so much :)
13:23<locklace>!congratulate bobillon
13:23<dpkg>Nice one bobillon, you did it!
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13:24<bobillon>talk to you soon.... for the next problem ! :s
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13:31<ogoo>hello, does anybody knows about any IRC server/channel where the main subject is english language ? (sorry for off topic question)
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13:33<jordanm>ogoo: maybe this is useful:
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13:35<ogoo>jordanm : looks great ! thank you
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13:52<upperleftab>i'm new to linux and debian (2 days old), so I have two sata hd, one with windows and the other w/ linux. When I installed debian, I disconnected the windows hd, everything boots fine. But if I reconnect win hd, then I can't boot debian. I assumed I should change the line hd0.0 on menu.lst, so I did a list: hd0,0, hd1,0 and hd2,0. None of them can boot. Anyone can help?
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13:53<valdyn>upperleftab: the root= statement changes
13:53<retrospe1tacus>upperleftab: the system is not looking at the linux hard drive at all
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13:54<valdyn>retrospectacus: but grub loads? how does that make sense?
13:54<upperleftab>even if it's set the boot priority to the linux hd, which in case it is.?
13:54<valdyn>upperleftab: if grub loads then you need to fix root=
13:54<retrospectacus>ohh then yes listen to valdyn
13:54<murble>upperleftab: it rather depends on your bios.
13:54<upperleftab>I don't mind having to choose boot priority in BIOS, I actually intended to do so, I just wanna be able to boot debian while win hd is connected.
13:55<murble>the first device tends to end up as 0x80 or hd0
13:55<valdyn>upperleftab: you can modify the bios order of harddisks in the bios, but you cannot modify the order in which your linux kernel detects the disks
13:56<murble>valdyn: well you can, but it may require replugging :)
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13:57<upperleftab>if root is no longer hd0, wouldnt then become hd1, 2, and so on?
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13:57<valdyn>upperleftab: your grub is loading?
13:57<upperleftab>yes. Because linux hd is set boot priority.
13:58<valdyn>upperleftab: that means that your linux hd is hd0 now still
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13:58<valdyn>upperleftab: but I told you already to change the root=, *not* the "root (hd0,1)"
13:58<upperleftab>so why it won't boot then.
13:59<upperleftab>okay, let me check menu.lst to see the root youre talkin
13:59<valdyn>upperleftab: what does "it won't boot' mean? theres various points at which booting can fail..
13:59<valdyn>upperleftab: nah, do it directly when booting
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13:59<upperleftab>i can't remember now the message, but I got different messages for hd0, hd1 and hd2
14:00<valdyn>upperleftab: error messages have a meaning and purpose...
14:00<upperleftab>how can i do so?
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14:00<valdyn>upperleftab: with E for edit
14:00<upperleftab>while still on the list?
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14:01<valdyn>upperleftab: usually your root=/dev/sda1 will now be /dev/sda2
14:01<valdyn>upperleftab: usually your root=/dev/sda1 will now be /dev/sdb1
14:01<valdyn>upperleftab: yes
14:02<upperleftab>oh now I see, it makes sense. I'll try, be back in a min.
14:02<murble>hmm we don't UUIDs for root in lenny?
14:02<valdyn>upperleftab: for your its probably easier to just open the case and change the cabling between both disks
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14:02<murble>s/don't/& use/
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14:09<A-Spec>hello, i did a base install of Debian, with desktop gui support, and when the computer starts, my monitor just says video mode not supported :(
14:09<A-Spec>i'm assuming i might need to edit a xorg file or something
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14:09<A-Spec>any help would be appreciated
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14:13<mh182>A-Spec: what does /var/log/Xorg.0.log tell you?
14:13<retrospectacus>A-Spec: you can try setting the video mode from tty1.. hit Ctrl-Alt-F1 then login, then enter the command: DISPLAY=:0 xrandr -s 800x600
14:13<retrospectacus>then hit Ctrl-Alt-F7 to go back to X and see if it worked
14:14<retrospectacus>or some other resolution the monitor supports instead of 800x600
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14:14<Yuri_>Hi all, I've just created user X and user Y. Why is it that they both can access eachothers home directory? they can view eachothers files.. What am I missing here?
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14:15<mh182>Yuri_: it depends on your configuration how the default permissions of a newly created user are set
14:15<retrospectacus>Yuri_: that is allowed... they should not be able to create/delete files there
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14:15<retrospectacus>you can do something like chmod 700 /home/X /home/Y
14:16<Yuri_>after 'useradd X' i id 'Chown X:users /home/X'
14:16<Yuri_>isn't that the same?
14:16<retrospectacus>chown sets ownership; chmod sets permisision
14:16<mh182>Yuri_: nope - this only changes the owner
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14:17<Yuri_>okay thank you both for the replies
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14:17<mh182>Yuri_: chown -R g-rwx /home/X would revoke all read, write and executable for others (not groups)
14:18<mh182>Yuri_: err chmod -R o-rwx ...
14:18<mh182>just read the manual ;-)
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14:18<retrospectacus>chmod 700 /home/X would be fine
14:19<bja> /clear
14:19<Yuri_>normaly i do ;) it's the first time i encounter this with debian , where debian grants other users access to another users home dir
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14:20<korokos>I am using ubuntu and would like to switch Debian Lenny as soon as possible
14:21<retrospectacus>korokos: excellent idea. /msg dpkg install debian
14:21<mh182>korokos: good choice ;-)
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14:21<korokos>but this last version of the distro has not come with some automation such as display driver install
14:21<xave>hello is going to play and tehe football in the arternoon
14:22<mh182>korokos: last version of Debian?
14:22<retrospectacus>xave: is there a Debian problem we can help you with?
14:22<xave>is tehe espanil?
14:22<korokos>I have installed and tried Debian 5.0 but i am still experiencing with the display driver installing and the themes
14:22<bittina_>xave: yes?
14:22<dpkg>The language of #debian is English. We will do our best to help you regardless of your level of English but you might be more comfortable asking for help in your own language. Ask me about your language code for more information, for example /msg dpkg br ; /msg dpkg pt ; /msg dpkg es ; /msg dpkg fr ; /msg dpkg de
14:22<korokos>mh182: Debian Lenny
14:23<bittina_>xave: no iam Swedish
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14:23<jordanm>korokos: what display driver are you trying to install?
14:23<xave>is you to the espanil
14:23<dpkg>I'm not your csh prompt!
14:23<korokos>Nvidia GeForce Go 6100
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14:24<xave>is the hotmail??
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14:24<jordanm>!nvidia m-a
14:24<dpkg>[nvidia m-a] For Lenny and Squeeze users. Ensure you have <non-free sources> added. "aptitude install module-assistant && m-a a-i nvidia-kernel". After successful module compilation, "aptitude install nvidia-glx nvidia-xconfig && nvidia-xconfig -o /etc/X11/xorg.conf". See also <nvidia>.
14:24<korokos>actuallt i can not find proper driver file to install
14:24<jordanm>korokos: the above should work for you. you must add non-free sources to your sources.list
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14:25<xave>hello dserban
14:25<korokos>i got it jordanm thanks
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14:26<leftupperab>i forgot the nick of who was helping me a while ago. It almost worked. It started to boot and everything seemed fine until after loading modules, it died on fsck which still was looking for sda, it didn't follow the boot order to do sdb. So I guess other things other than boot would need to be changed as well, and switching the cables is probably easier solution then?
14:27<dbldtx_>Korokos; Lenny with nVidia's great. All; they ever fix Squeeze+nVidia?
14:27<murble>leftupperab: did you try changing the cable over?
14:27<murble>leftupperab: probably
14:28<murble>(the cable swap.)
14:28<jordanm>dbldtx_: yes, but the new driver from squeeze can no longer be backported to lenny
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14:28<jordanm>requires xserver > 1.6
14:28<leftupperab>no i didn't yet, i tried only menu.lst. But the cable problably will work, i just thought i could do internally.
14:29<dbldtx_>jordanm; interesting, thanks. I may be making a move to Squeeze this summer then...
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14:32<jordanm>dbldtx_: might as well wait for release, which hopefully won't be many months after summer
14:32<jordanm>!squeeze pool 1
14:32<dpkg>! NiLon=2010-10-12 rvsjoen=2010-07-15 jordanm=2010-12-15 icebrain=2010-06-01 tabashco=2010-11-22 <rmayorga>=2011-1-17 jelly=2010-09-29 dpalacio=2010-08-03 cydork=2010-07-10 CutMeOwnThroat=2010-06-15 enouf=2010-04-01 themill=2010-05-30 valdyn=2010-06-15 rohan=2010-12-06 abrotman=2010-10-02 gsimmons=2010-09-03
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14:32<ohwow>Should I do 'aptitude safe-upgrade' every week or so?
14:32<ohwow>Is that a good "strategy"?
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14:32<jordanm>ohwow: what version of debian are you running?
14:32<ohwow>jordanm: squeeze
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14:33<jordanm>well, then its not that simple, because you need to have a good look at what is being upgraded each time... then you might have to fix what the upgrade broke
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14:34<ohwow>hmm.. so if i log everything i upgrade it would be safe?
14:34<jordanm>ohwow: you should install apt-listbugs to help with that
14:34<ohwow>because after i can manually select older versions?
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14:34<jordanm>ohwow: that is not always the solution to broken upgrades. sometimes it will change settings or do other unexpected things
14:34<jordanm>!tell ohwow about moving target
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14:37<ohwow>I have no problems adjusting configuration files i think
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15:14<compaq>Hi, I just installed debian testing, but I am having boot trouble, it boot up to after starting gdm, and then I get a blanks screen and it stuck there, I can't even hit ctrl+alt+f1 to get a terminal. I am able to boot in recovery mode and run gdm and login fine
15:15<sdk>So.. situation: building dedicated purpose system using iceweasel as only interface. At end of 'process' user needs to print out the final screen. I have the script to send a file to 'lp', works perfectly. Now all I need is to force the prntscrn key to run the script, adn I can't figure out how. Can anyone offer suggestions?
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15:16<sdk>The scipt takes a screenshot, writes it to a file which is then printed.
15:16<sdk>But I need to tie the script to a key.. I've been looking for a few hours, to no avail. Hoping #debian can help.
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15:22<sdk>Gah. writing it out like that seems to have shaken something lose in my head.. just searched for key execute script map and got sites about bindkey.. looks like it may be the winner..
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15:23<jay__>hello to all, I'm on the bmw website and this site along with some others ask me for a java applet, but I have JRE already installed, anyone know what to do?
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15:28<kop>jay__: You also have to install a plugin so the browser can get to java.
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15:30<jay__>kop, I looked for something like that on synaptic but I was unable to find any, do you know the name of the plugin?
15:30<kop>jay__: aptitude search java | grep plug finds java-gcj-compat-plugin. There are others too. I can't tell what's really right to use. (I just recall doing it once.)
15:31<jay__>kop, ok thanks, I'll look for that
15:31<kop>jay__: sun-java6-plugin ?
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15:31<jay__>kop, no, that one's already installed
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15:32<kop>jay__: Is sun java 6 installed? Have you restarted your browser?
15:32<rpgal>"aptitude -F%p search '(!~i)' |wc -l" shows a few thousand more packages than the "Not installed" section in Synaptic. What am I doing wrong?
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15:33<twiggz>whats this mean and why did it just start showing up? Ive googled and found others wonder the same thing...but no answers...
15:33<jay__>kop, found it, works now, thanks :-)
15:33<twiggz>root 19225 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S 14:27 0:00 [flush-8:0]
15:33<kop>jay__: What dit it?
15:33<kop>jay__: s/dit/fixed/
15:33<jay__>kop, installing java-gcj-compat-plugin
15:34<bobillon>i cannot make my sound chipset : intel 5 series 3400 work
15:34<kop>!tell bobillon about alsa install
15:34<bobillon>like say at this page it use the driver snd-hda-intel but i don't have any sound get out of my laptop (id = 80863b56)
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15:35<bobillon>kop, thanks but i installed alsa, it load the driver but just no sound (like volume = 0)
15:35<bobillon>but of course i setup the volume with alsamixer
15:35<kop>rpgal: I can only guess that syntaptic is trying to be smart and only show you the things it thinks you need. I could be entirely wrong.
15:35<kop>bobillon: What version of debian?
15:36<kop>bobillon: Dunno. You've exhausted what I know.
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15:36<twiggz>sometimes i have to run alsa force-reload to get my intel sound to run..
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15:37<bobillon>twiggz, nothig after alsa force-reload
15:37<bobillon>kop, what's Dunno ??
15:37<twiggz>then the driver wasnt loaded to begin with.
15:38<kop>bobillon: Sorry. That's vernacular (that is, short) for "I do not know".
15:38<rpgal>kop: I think Synaptic doesn't show essentials and requireds, because it wouldn't allow them to be removed, but can there be any such specials in the uninstalled packages section?
15:38<twiggz>modprobe snd-pcm-oss
15:38<kop>rpgal: Not that many.
15:39<kop>rpgal: Maybe synatpic is restricting to one of "main/contrib/non-free"?
15:39<locklace>bobillon: paste the output of "cat /proc/asound/cards", run "/etc/init.d/alsa-utils reset 0", and as root run "speaker-test -t wav -c 2"
15:39<rpgal>kop: Does your Synaptic show the same discrepancy?
15:39<kop>rpgal: I've never tried to run Synaptic.
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15:40<kop>rpgal: You might read the man page or something.
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15:41<bobillon>locklace, done, no sound from my laptop,
15:42<twiggz>do you have any sdcards or flash drives, or web cams plugged in? Ive had to unmount/unplug flash drives and webcams because alsamixer saw them as sound devices for some funky reason...
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15:43<bobillon>twiggz, no, nothing plug on my laptop
15:43<bobillon>i didn't reboot after alsa install but it doesn't matter right
15:44<bobillon>but i have an integrated webcam and flash drives reader
15:45<twiggz>well, im all out of idears. :/
15:45<locklace>bobillon: how are you testing the sound while speaker-test is running? what kind of speaker? any hw sound control knobs?
15:45<kop>bobillon: You could check the bug database. Testing breaks. Or submit a bug yourself.
15:46<bobillon>locklace, integrated speaker from my laptop
15:46<twiggz>i usually just install alsa and alsa-utils, modprobe snd-pcm-oss , and then then alsa force-reload before i even bother running alsamixer when i installed.
15:47<mika_video>no automatic feedback by email for a bugreport ??? - why not ? (should include a http -reference link to check wheteher the report has been procecced and to see steps taken)
15:47<bobillon>locklace, yes i try to hear sound from speaker-test but nothing
15:48<bobillon>locklace, what's hw sound control ?
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15:49<locklace>bobillon: also paste output of "aplay -L". run alsamixer and play around with all the settings, you may have to unmute or even mute some channels to make it work, press f5 for more options. make sure the right output is selected
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15:50<bobillon>aplay -L =>
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15:50<twiggz>Im still wondering wth this is...Ive googled just find more questions about it. And why did it just start showing up yesterday?
15:51<twiggz>root 19225 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S 14:27 0:00 [flush-8:0]
15:51<kop>mika_video: You should get an automated reply of receipt, and more to follow.
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15:51<bobillon>locklace, i think i tried everything with alsamixer :s
15:52<locklace>bobillon: also try adding the -D option to speaker-test for the different devices listed in the aplay -L output, e.g. -Dsurround40:CARD=Intel,DEV=0
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15:53<rpgal>kop: How do I get aptitude to display the total number of packages in the GUI?
15:54<kop>rpgal: In the curses interface? I don't use that either. Sorry.
15:54<rpgal>kop: Do you use Debian?
15:54<kop>rpgal: Some packages are "virtual". Maybe that makes a difference.
15:55<kop>rpgal: I use aptitude (usually) at the command line.
15:55<rpgal>kop: Synaptic does show virtual packages
15:55<mika_video>how do I check if my bugreport ever went where it should have gone? (kaffeine 0.8.7 on debian lenny)
15:56<mika_video>I never received any email feedback, neither automated nor by a person
15:56<kop>mika_video: You should get a response back with the bug report number. Otherwise, go to and search for bugs with you as the submitter.
15:56<mika_video>is there a way to search like: application=kaffeine, version=0.8.7
15:57<rpgal>Anyone? "aptitude -F%p search '(!~i)' |wc -l" shows a few thousand more packages than the "Not installed" section in Synaptic. What am I doing wrong?
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15:59<valdyn>twiggz: why does it bother you?
15:59<valdyn>twiggz: its a kernel thread
15:59<bobillon>locklace, no sound even after play with -D option of speaker-test :(
15:59<twiggz>valdyn: it bugs me because i dont know what it does
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16:00<valdyn>twiggz: any new filesystem you didnt use previously?
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16:01<twiggz>no, i installed testing on this thing months ext4 partition and a swap...nothing else..
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16:01<valdyn>twiggz: lsmod | grep btrfs
16:02<valdyn>twiggz: i dont know myself right now, but its something like lvm or btrfs or ext4
16:02<twiggz>no btrfs results
16:02<twiggz>no lvm results
16:02<twiggz>just ext4
16:02<locklace>bobillon: has the sound ever worked on this laptop? do you have any bios settings related to sound
16:03<twiggz>must be something to do with ext4...dont know why i didnt notice it before.
16:03<bobillon>yes i remember hear sound the first time when i boot under windows
16:03<mika_video>is there a way to set what editor is used bu reportbug ?
16:03<bobillon>i will try it again
16:04<locklace>bobillon: also what laptop model is it
16:04<bobillon>msi cr620
16:04<locklace>bobillon: ok. check the bios settings
16:05<kop>twiggz: Probably what periodically flushes blocks to disk.
16:05<valdyn>twiggz: it replaces pdflush it seems
16:05<valdyn>twiggz: so in your case thats for ext4 I guess
16:05<twiggz>ok i see
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16:06<valdyn>I dont have pdflush anymore..
16:06<valdyn>and btrfs is handled by flush-btrfs
16:06<twiggz>yeah ok, i dont have pdflush anymore either
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16:07<bobillon>locklace, i have sound on windows
16:07<valdyn>twiggz: so somewhere you got a new kernel I guess
16:07<kop>mika_video: The shell env variables $EDITOR and $VISUAL, and there's also "update-alternatives" for a more global sort of setting.
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16:07<valdyn>twiggz: or just never noticed this before for whatever reason
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16:07<bobillon>locklace, nothing no my boot : just AHCI mode enable
16:08<twiggz>ive noticed pdflush before...when i wasnt using testing or ext4
16:08<mika_video>Just edited /etc/reportbug.conf and set the "editor=" line there... now let's see if that helps ...
16:08<twiggz>i didnt know what pdflush did either lol. I just got used to seeing it.
16:08<twiggz>ok thanks guys
16:08<kop>twiggz: You don't want to write a block that's just going to get changed right away anyway.
16:09<kop>twiggz: So you do it occasionally, just so there's some stuff that makes it to disk.
16:09<bobillon>ok i hear some sound !! :)
16:09<kop>bobillon: What fixed it?
16:09<bobillon>the looks like really low but there is some sound
16:10<bobillon>kop, maybe unmute in windows 7 :s
16:10<locklace>bobillon: i have seen complaints of the volume being too low on that laptop
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16:10<locklace>bobillon: maybe try with headphones or external speakers if you have them
16:11<bobillon>locklace, yes i will use external speakers but it's a shame that the sound is so low
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16:12<bobillon>locklace, it's ok with headphones
16:12<bobillon>thank you so much guys :)
16:12<locklace>!congratulate bobillon
16:12<dpkg>Huzzah bobillon, you did it!
16:12<bobillon>i didn't know there are so nice guy who will help me :) :)
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16:14<bobillon>when i'm on X, the combo key " ctrl + alt + backspace " doesn't work to kill x, any idea ?
16:14<twiggz>it doesnt do that by default anymore.
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16:15<twiggz>it quit that a long time ago...i forget the instructions that came up while dpkg was doing its thing to keep that function...
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16:16<locklace>bobillon: man xorg.conf | less '+/DontZap'
16:16<twiggz>dpkg-reconfigure -plow console-setup
16:16<twiggz>i think it was
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16:18<twiggz>there you go, bobillon
16:19<twiggz>Edit .bashrc and add setxkbmap -option terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp to the end of the file
16:19<bobillon>locklace, twiggz, thank you :)
16:19<twiggz>of course if you dont use bash...thats kinda useless...
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16:20<kop>twiggz: Yeah. xorg.conf seems more sane.
16:20<twiggz>As root, run dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration
16:20<twiggz>thats more sane.
16:21<twiggz>Since xorg.conf is just an empty void these days...
16:21<bobillon>yes i will do the dpkg-reconfigure method
16:21<Titan8990>is there a debian channel for discussing changes to debian wiki?
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16:24<mika_video>"Normally you will receive an acknowledgement via email including the bug report number within an hour" - I got the same msg last time - but never received any email feedback, neither automated nor by a person - is the reportbug system broken since it does not send out emails ?
16:25<Titan8990>mick_laptop, check it on the website and make sure that it has the correct "From:" field. if it does not, you will not receive the replies
16:25<Titan8990>mick_laptop, are you using your system's MTA to send the emails? if so, did you check the logs to make sure they went out?
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16:26<bja>Titan8990: ??
16:26<Titan8990>bja, more specific :)
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16:27<mika_video>I have no idea of system MTA - is there a way to make reportbug to output to a text file so I can manually send the file content by email instead ?
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16:28<Titan8990>mick_laptop, -f. by default reportbug will use your system's SMTP server, unless you specify something like --mua (don't recall the exact option as I have never used it)
16:28<mika_video><Titan8990>: maybe you accidentally targeted wring person if your answer was to me ...
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16:28<Titan8990>but I also recall it asking these things in an interactive mode
16:29<Titan8990>mick_laptop, yes, I was answering you. all reportbug does is send an email and assist with creating the content to go into the email
16:29<locklace>Titan8990: itym "-o"
16:29<mika_video>I'd like to use a webmail instead... so can I make reportbug to write a textfile and not try to send email ?
16:29<Titan8990>yes, you can do that
16:29<mika_video>how ?
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16:30<Titan8990>mika_video, using the -o option (which I was corrected on, I told you -f which was wrong)
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16:34<bobillon>why software like skype and amsn are not release in squeeze ??
16:35<valdyn>bobillon: that's not free software
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16:35<bobillon>oh i just have to add non-free on my source.list
16:35<valdyn>bobillon: no
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16:35<valdyn>bobillon: use the packages provided on
16:36<bobillon>and why there are this package on lenny ?
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16:36<valdyn>bobillon: its proprietary software. Debian cannot apply fixes
16:36<valdyn>bobillon: so debian does not distribute it
16:37<bobillon>ok i got it, i will do that but i try to understand why i have this software on my lenny ? and amsn is free software i thing
16:37<Titan8990>and it wouldn't make any sense for a 3rd party to support a debian version that has not even been released yet
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16:37<bobillon>ok i got it
16:37<Titan8990>!why is amsn not in squeeze
16:37<dpkg>Titan8990: what are you talking about?
16:37<valdyn>judd: versions amsn
16:37<judd>amsn -- etch: 0.95+dfsg2-0.3; lenny: 0.97.2~debian-1; sid: 0.98.3-1
16:37<Titan8990>!why is amsn not in testing
16:37<dpkg>amsn is not in testing for the reasons listed in
16:38<dbldtx_>That's kind of what Ubuntu is; Canonical is a 3rd party supporting Debian before it's released.
16:38<ssorgatem>oh, canonical does more than that: it also places the window buttons in th wrong place
16:39<dbldtx_>...yeah, that's a whole different can'o'worms.
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16:39<mika_video>And, Canonical releases hopelessly broken versions of Kaffeine in their KUbuntu OS ...
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16:40<valdyn>kubuntu is not from kanonical?
16:40<valdyn>or canonical
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16:41<valdyn>oh, nevermind
16:42<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
16:42<dpkg>A little off-topic conversation is okay here and there, but not too much, and not when the channel's busy, and not if it's your primary reason for being here. Please join #debian-offtopic
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16:44<mika_video>I just wonder, how many others, in addition to myself, will have "sent" a bugreport using reportbug ... and the report never got through due to not having configured MTA on the debian system.... many people use webmail only nowadays...
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16:45<valdyn>mika_video: i wonder how many useless bug reports get filtered by that feature ;)
16:45<dbldtx_>mika_video; maybe you should put in a bug report about that.
16:45<valdyn>mika_video: but its not very hard to have an mta that works properly, if you just go with the defaults
16:46<Titan8990>mick_laptop, my gmail is my default MUA... I don't recall how I set it up but anything that calls a mailto: opens up a gmail window in my chrome browser. sounds like you might want something like that with the mua option for reportbug
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16:46<mika_video><valdyn>: How can debian (or the debian installer) guess what is my ISP's mail server for outgoing email ?
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16:47<valdyn>mika_video: one default is to send mail directly
16:47<valdyn>mika_video: that does not involve your isps mail server at all
16:47<bja>mika_video: there is no way of guessing that
16:47<prinz3nroll3>hello, ive some problem with samba and cups. i cant find my printer in the network. i ve paste my config here: thanks a lot for help
16:47<dbldtx_>Titan8990; I have the same thing with my gmail on iceweasel.
16:48<mika_video><valdyn>: I do not know about other countries, but 99.9 per sent of finnish ISP's block all TCP access to port 25 (outgoing email) to any other IP than the one used by one's of own ISP's mailserver ...
16:48<bja>mika_video: either you set your mta to use a smarthost or you set it up to be a full blown internet email server
16:49<Titan8990>mick_laptop, you can setup your system's MTA to relay through your gmail account. really simple with exim4. dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config; then just add your info to /etc/exim4/passwd.client
16:49<valdyn>mika_video: interesting.. no one does that here
16:49<valdyn>mika_video: i could even have an mta on my mobile contract..
16:49<bja>mika_video: you acces port 587 to send mail. it is called the submission port
16:49<Titan8990>valdyn, U.S. thing..
16:49<Titan8990>mika_video, that is only for incomming, your SMTP server only needs outgoing
16:49<bja>mika_video: btw there are some mta that act as clients too
16:50<mika_video><valdyn>: that is a "security" recommendation by ficora ( - but most if not all ISP's take it as if it were a mandatory legal order !
16:50<Titan8990>^ exim4 for example
16:50<bja>Titan8990: email goes from one server high port to recieving server on port 25 is that what you mean?
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16:50<valdyn>mika_video: fix your irc client, <valdyn>: breaks nick highlighting
16:50<valdyn>mika_video: valdyn: would be proper
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16:51<Titan8990>bja, it can be configured that way, yes. assuming the "high port" is outgoing for exim4
16:51<valdyn>mika_video: some people have names like <xy> here
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16:51<Titan8990>it can send email to say port 537 and authenticate to it
16:51<mika_video>port 25 / SMTP is closed by ISP
16:52<valdyn>mika_video: really the outgoing 25? i cant believe..
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16:52<valdyn>mika_video: evil
16:52<bja>mika_video: that is in theory a way of stoping spam from dynamic ip over a subnetwork
16:52<mika_video>So, even if I satrt a SMTP server on my machine and tell you the IP address, you will still be unable to reach the SMTP server on my PC
16:52<valdyn>mika_video: but thats incoming, not outgoing
16:52<bja>if you have port forwarding i am mostly sure it could be reached
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16:53<mika_video><valdyn>: Yes. Port 25 incoming is closed. Port 25 outgoing is also closed with the exception that allows me to contact my own ISP's mail server at their port 25. But port 25 of any other IP is unaccessible (blocked by my ISP)
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16:54<Titan8990>valdyn, we have these issues with traveling salesman at my work. this is why an alternate port 587 is often used by clients now
16:54<mika_video><bja>: Yes, if some co-operating party allows me to use their machine for port-forwarding purposes...
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16:55<bja>mika_video: i am refering to your adsl. If you make it to portforward to your email server and you set up an mx record on your dns it is most certain that it will recieve mail.
16:55<mika_video>Youy can see this page (text is in finnish, but the port numbers are easy to locate even if you do not understand finnish):
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16:55<bloom>how do I change the default web browser that evolution uses?
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16:56<bja>bloom: that is a wm setting
16:56<Titan8990>bja, ah, you don't live in the states with especially evil ISPs. Most "home" ISPs would cut your internet off for that
16:56<prinz3nroll3>hello i cant see my printer in windows i use samba and cups any suggestion?
16:56<mika_video>bja: is it even possible to administer one's own mx records? (I have a dynamic IP, it will change whenever my ISP wants it to change)
16:56<valdyn>bloom: gnome-default-applications
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16:57<valdyn>bloom: if that isnt it then probably update-alternatives --- the x-www-browser
16:57<bloom>valdayn: it's ignoring the fact that I have it set to iceweasel, and it's opening chromium by default
16:57<Titan8990>mika_video, with dyndns services yes, but you will have issues with having a bad PTR record, meaning some places might reject your mail
16:57<bloom>valdyn: x-www-browser points to /usr/lib/iceweasel/iceweasel
16:57<bja>Titan8990: If it is not on your eula then it is not prohibited. but then again your mileage will vary. Don't try to host gmail over a "home" connection
16:58<bloom>valdyn: and that's also the setting in gnome-default-applications-properties
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16:58<mika_video>it would be about time to add a package iceweasel2 - like iceweasel but with keyboard shortcuts similar to - most importantly: backspace = previous web page viewed
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16:59<prinz3nroll3>k i think i deinstall cups and use my intel print server
16:59<bja>mika_video: there are special sites that will grant you that. But since your ip would belong to a dinamic block you are going to have a few problems with spamhaus and the like
16:59<biblon>the skype package is for i386 and i have amd64, could i do something ?
16:59<valdyn>biblon: you can just use the ubuntu package
17:00<bja>mika_video: There are sites like zoneedit that will grant you email forwarding that can save you a lot of trouble
17:00<biblon>valdyn, thanks !
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17:01<bja>valdyn: have you tested the skype 64 bit package on debian 64?
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17:01<valdyn>bja: im using it
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17:01<valdyn>bja: the beta package
17:02<valdyn>bja: used the "stable" package before
17:02*bja crosses the border to look for ubuntu's 64 bit skype
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17:02<bja>valdyn: you read my mind
17:02<bloom>how do I change the default web browser that evolution uses? it's ignoring both x-www-browser, $BROWSER and gnome-default-applications-properties
17:02<valdyn>skype, those idiots
17:03<valdyn>on "Linux" -> Beta
17:03<valdyn>on "Linux (Beta)" -> No beta available
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17:03<mika_video><prinz3nroll3>: cannot see a printer? - are you using windows 98? - if so, samba has been changed to not support the older encryption used by win98. Or, if you can see but not use: try installing postscipt driver on windows (linux will use ghostscript if the printer hardware uses anything else than postscript)
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17:05<bja>mika_video: does this have a different color on your client?
17:05<mika_video>bja: yes: it's red
17:05<bja><mika_video>: as this
17:05<bja>and the other?
17:05<mika_video>bja: no: they are both red
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17:06<bja>well not on mine, the <> do disrupt the highlithing
17:06<bja>as in most normal clients :)
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17:07<mika_video>copying&pasting a name will automatically produce <> as well ...
17:08<bja>use tab to autocomplete the name type the first letter the tab and it should autocomplete
17:08<mika_video>bja, auto-tabbed ...
17:09<mika_video>noes not produce a colon, but a comma instead
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17:09<bja>it is ok, the highlighting is not punctuation dependant
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17:13<prinz3nroll3>hello i get the following errror with cups and ipp "/usr/lib/cups/filter/pstoraster failed"
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17:20<biblon>i use squeeze, should i compile amsn or can i use this package :
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17:27<biblon>which software do you use to go to msn ? do you know one who work with webcam and audio ?
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17:30<jaquer>I'm trying to install sid, but debootstrap is failing due to bug #581420. Is there a way to bypass/change the util-linux package that's blocking the install? I'm using the daily d-i business card CD.
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17:31<dpkg>Insufficient entropy to continue.
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17:37<sun>what's a good xterm replacement? i want somthing with better fonts and appearance. i use wmii.
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17:38<blackdragon42>Hello everyone.
17:39<jaquer>sun: I personally like aterm.
17:39<jaquer>oh, quit()
17:39<jaquer>Hello blackdragon42.
17:40<Franki>I just installed the latest kernel from lenny-backports linux-image-2.6.32.* on my lenny and I got some weird(non fatal) error messages from debconf. Also, hdparm doesn't work anymore.
17:41<centyx>sun: I prefer urxvtd/c
17:41<jaquer>Franki: what error messages?
17:42<jaquer>centyx: (s)he's gone
17:42<centyx>jaquer: ah
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17:42<Franki>debconf said something like: Unknown template field '_description' in stanza #1 of /var/lib/dpkg/info/linux-image-2.6.32-bpo.4-686.templates
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17:43<Franki>and the same for stanza #1 to #7
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17:44<Nazcafan>I have my gnome-panel that doesn't show up at login
17:45<Nazcafan>the only way to get it was to open a gnome-terminal and repeatedly kill it
17:45<Franki>as it turns out, the template from the linux-image-2.6.32* package from backports contains (at least when installed on my machine) the field _description instead of Description. Did the configuration go wrong when it got installed or is the template in the package errorneous?
17:46<Nazcafan>how may I debug that?
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17:47<jaquer>Franki: Looks like 2.6.32-12 fixes it, see
17:47<jaquer>I don't use backports, so I don't know if/when that version will show up there.
17:48<Franki>jaquer: thx
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17:49<locklace>dpkg: qotd0
17:49<dpkg>< runedude> I dont hire any admins. My dad sets up router settings. He has a degree in computers. now shush. Lol. It's not changing, and thats that.
17:50<Franki>I was also able to track down the problem with hdparm by increasing verbosity and applying the command that gets executed by an init-script manually: It says "HDIO_SET_UNMASKINTR failed" and "HDIO_KEEPSETTINGS failed".
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17:52<Franki>linux-image-2.6.26 had no problem with those settings (which originate from my hdparm.conf). Did those settings got dropped from 2.6.32? are they obsolete now? or did the kernel-interface changed those settings in the meantime?
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17:55<jaquer>Franki: What's the actual command you're using?
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17:57<Franki>jaquer: I need some time to get that information remotely, since I'm sitting on a distant computer
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18:06<Franki>jaquer: hdparm -A1 -k -u -M 128 --security-freeze
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18:07<jaquer>Franki: and it gives you both the errors you mentioned on that command, correct?
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18:09<Franki>jaquer: yes
18:11*Franki is currently googling the problem
18:11<Franki>jaquer: I forgot the device at the end of the command
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18:12<Franki>the hard drive is an IDE drive over an PATA link
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18:14<jaquer>Franki: Isn't the last part of that command missing? /dev/???
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18:19<Franki>jaquer: of course. did mention that before. I just missed that part when doing copy-paste
18:20<Franki>jaquer: so actually it's hdparm -A1 -k -u -M 128 --security-freeze /dev/sda
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18:25<dbldtx_>Does anybody know where the MSN service went on Pidgin?
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18:25<jaquer>Franki: I've only found stuff suggesting that the kernel is using libata to access your drive now, which is making hdparm fail.
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18:31<Franki>jaquer: well, I know that it probably uses libata to access it, but how can I change that? libata isn't a module you can just unload and than load another one that does the same job. Even if you could, I think the linux-image-2.6.32 only has the single option to use libata to access IDE PATA drives, which mean I would have to do a custom kernel if there were an alternative(left out by the debian kernel).
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18:32<Franki>I didn't find anything useful with google on that subject.
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18:35<Franki>jaquer: is the linux-image-2.6.32-12 package you mentioned somewhere available, or is it only an internal intermidiate one?
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18:36<jaquer>Franki: 2.6.32-13 is on sid
18:37<jaquer>I don't know if you necessarily want to install that.
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18:40<Franki>jaquer: ok, so I'll stay away from it.
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18:50<paw>problem: I seem to be missing my sata drives in /dev (ie /dev/sda, ... missing, even /dev/md* are missing) - root is /dev/md2 and is mounted and accessible
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19:40<Franki>for some reason, I don't like that the naming scheme of the IDE drives changed within a major Debian version by simply upgrading from linux-image-2.6.26 (lenny) to linux-image-2.6.32 (lenny-backports). There is a switch to retain old drive naming when compiling newer kernels in the kernel config, shouldn't this be deterred to a major version upgrade?
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19:41<abrotman>is it a sata drive?
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19:46<acovrig>just curious, 'not in sudoers file, this incident has been reported' goes where?
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19:48<petemc>acovrig: auth.log
19:49<abrotman>acovrig: gov't agency .. they'll be coming for you
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19:50<petemc>abrotman: they'l be after you too now
19:50<petemc>loose lips sink ships
19:51<abrotman>petemc: yeah .. force feeding me cheesesteaks .. yay!
19:51<acovrig>lol, I actually installed the sys this morning
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19:55<retrospectacus>g'day mate
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19:55<Griffen>retrospectacus : good day to you
19:55<Griffen>can you help me to register irc on freenode
19:56<retrospectacus>no. I can help you configure and troubleshoot your debian installation
19:56<twiggz>ask someone on freenode?
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19:56<petemc> /msg nickserv help
19:57<petemc>minus the spce
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19:57<twiggz> /ns or /quote ns (or nickserv) would work and would be the most recommended way...
19:57<Griffen>how to do that..i am new user
19:57<twiggz>but still, this isnt freenode.
19:58<twiggz>To many facists on freenode.
19:58<abrotman>twiggz: please go away
19:58<Griffen> it thanks..bye
19:58<twiggz>speak of the devil!
19:58<abrotman>Griffen: /server .. then /join #freenode and wait for a voice, then ask there
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19:58<abrotman>or don't wait
19:58<twiggz>yeah, go whine and have me banned here too...
19:58*twiggz sighs
19:58*twiggz did nothing
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19:59<abrotman>maybe if you could act like a normal person then you wouldn't have those problems
20:00<dutchfish>hi, when i use debian/squeeze kleopatra it fails on one test gpg-server not reachable, is setting up ~/.gnupg/gpg.conf with use-agent the debian way to fix this? see #528962 (i hit the same one as the closed bug)
20:00<twiggz>What did I do? Tell someone how to use nickserv...sure..go have me banned for that.
20:00*twiggz rolls eyes.
20:01<abrotman><twiggz> To many facists on freenode. .. because that wasn't inflammatory
20:01<twiggz>this isnt freenode.
20:01<twiggz>(in case you havent noticed)
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20:03<twiggz>I'm ignoring you now since it seems I cant even switch networks to get away from you and the stick thats stuck up your ass.
20:03<retrospectacus>twiggz: you are cluttering up this channel with off-topic and complaints no one cares about. We are here to support debian
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20:27<Lanz>Does anyone know of a good video chat application for KDE 4?
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20:49<cpatrick08>i was wondering what the differences were between deblian ans ubuntu
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20:56<cpatrick08>i was wondering what the differences were between deblian ans ubuntu
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21:40<compevo>I have something strange to report, or maybe it isnt but it is to me, when do apt-get remove some-package, it removes tons of other package, they are gnome stuff, that were there from the fresh install and before the said package
21:40<abrotman>that's normal
21:40<compevo>abrotman, really
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21:41<compevo>I was going to try pulse audio, but the install seems very complicated as I read on, so I am getting rid of it
21:44<compevo>abrotman, I tried out testing, suspend to ram works, but not in stable
21:46<compevo>it just removed cheese, but I wanted to use cheese
21:46<abrotman>compevo: so install cheese again
21:47<compevo>abrotman, ok, I was just curious why it removed it
21:48<abrotman>compevo: because of the wya it was installed .. you removed a package that 'gnome' depended on, and since cheese was installed by the gnome package, it decided you didn't want cheese anymore and rmeoved it
21:48<compevo>abrotman, that's what I am saying I didn't do that
21:49<abrotman>okay .. if you say so
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21:49<compevo>abrotman, I think it is caused by the non-free flash
21:50<abrotman>i doubt it
21:50<compevo>look, I installed all this here for pulse audio, and then I did apt-get remove of it all. It removed cheese, chess, totem
21:50<abrotman>you sohuld be using aptitude
21:51<compevo>abrotman, hmm, I have always been using apt, but I am happy to make a switch
21:51<abrotman>compevo: either cheese depends on something you removed, or nothing depended on cheese anymore
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21:51<rodebix>boa noite galera
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21:52<compevo> gtk2-engines got removed too
21:53<rodebix>algum br ai?
21:54<compevo>abrotman, it removed gnome-core
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21:54<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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21:57<compevo>brb, I am gonna check if gnome still loads
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22:36<compaq>abrotman, lol. you let me uninstall gnome
22:36<abrotman>!install gnome
22:36<dpkg>To install GNOME: install the 'gnome' package to install everything, the 'gnome-desktop-environment' package for slightly less stuff, or the 'gnome-core' package for even less. You will need X installed as well, ask me about <install x>.
22:36<abrotman>and i didn't let you .. i told you what was happening
22:36<compaq>abrotman, you were always so nice to me.
22:37<compaq>abrotman, I did a fresh install. I think there is something malicious with adobe flash, I am going to install the free one this time
22:37<abrotman>up to you .. but it's not malicious
22:38<compaq>abrotman, should I test it now? I have a fresh install, all I did was install xchat, and changed fonts to 11
22:38<abrotman>oh, you went to 11?
22:39<abrotman>compaq: what are you trying to do ?
22:39<compaq>abrotman, well I have a large monitor at a high resolution, and I sit back, so I need 11
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22:39<abrotman>compaq: you missed the humor
22:39<compaq>abrotman, I just want debian fully configured
22:39<compaq>abrotman, enlighten me,
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22:40<compaq>abrotman, you have been helping me for years, on many occasions, at least ten, you gave me the answer I was looking for
22:41<abrotman>so what's the question again ?
22:41<compaq>abrotman, I like to take to 11, it is in my nature
22:42<compaq>abrotman, ok, I am going to install flash, and then I am going to install something else random, you decide, and then I am going to remove it, and see if all of gnome get remove too
22:43<dbldtx_>random thing to install = windows
22:43<compaq>Actually it has already started: error accessing 'file:///home/compaq/Desktop/Downloads': File not found
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22:44<abrotman>compaq: this is why we use a pastebin to share errors with others
22:44<compaq>abrotman, it was a one liner
22:45<abrotman>the error was a singl eline ?
22:45<compaq>abrotman, ok, one and a half line, I figured it ok as long as it is under three lines. Ok, I am going to follow the instructions, or should I use aptitude
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22:46<abrotman>yes, use aptitude
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22:47<compaq>abrotman, actually, I am going to try swfdec-gnome first
22:48<compaq>abrotman, are you using pulse audio?
22:48<abrotman>not that i know of
22:49<compaq>I heard it was really good to have, it unifies all audio
22:50<compaq>epiphany froze on youtube video
22:51<compaq>yeah, you need the backports flash
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22:55<compaq>oh, I wasn't do -t lenny-backports
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22:57<abrotman>compaq: good luck!
22:57<compaq>abrotman, you are leaving?
22:58<abrotman>yes .. i've been up for 17hrs, biked 25 miles, and i'm tired :)
22:58<compaq>abrotman, ok done, so what random package should I install
22:58<abrotman>compaq: rosegarden
22:58<compaq>abrotman, ok, gnight, see tomarrow maybe
22:59*abrotman mutters he'll probably be up at least another hour ...
22:59<compaq>man...rosegarden install a lot of libraries, don't you have a simpler one?
23:00<compaq>I am installing byzanz, it installs alone
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23:00<compaq>why is aptitude better/preferred?
23:00<abrotman>!why aptitude
23:00<dpkg>aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution and will often find a solution where apt-get gives up. It can be used from the command line like apt-get plus an interactive resolver makes it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. It has advanced search capabilities (see <aptitude search>).
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23:01<edbian>Anyone here use debian testing on their desktop??
23:02<compaq>tried it, yes, earlier today, didn't work out hehe
23:02<edbian>compaq, Did you switch your sources.list back??
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23:02<edbian>I thought that wasn't possible...
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23:03<compaq>edbian, No, I was using CD's
23:04<edbian>compaq, I see
23:05<compaq>abrotman, when I try to remove now I get an error, it is locked, I have never seen this error before
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23:06<abrotman>either you're ont root or you're running aptitude somewhere else
23:07<compaq>abrotman, I swear it, I ran those too commands consecutive with nothing in between.
23:08<compaq>abrotman, its working now
23:08<abrotman>okay then .. night! :)
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23:08<compaq>That means I was being hacked
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23:25<compaq>I tried debian testing, and found that the suspend to ram feature was working, how can check if it available in backports?
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