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#debian IRC Logs for 2010-05-27

---Logopened Thu May 27 00:00:04 2010
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00:10<compaq>hi
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00:44<twb>To make an audio CD, do I just give wodim a .wav file instead of a .iso file?
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00:54<twb>Hmm, wodim: Inappropriate audio coding in 'foo.wav'.
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01:01<twb>Hmm, -srate 44100?
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01:06<twiggz>inside.
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01:29<samsung> /sever irc.uirc.net
01:29<samsung> /server irc.uirc.net
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01:31<twiggz>i really hate samsung hdds...
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01:39<twiggz>wow, no memoserv here?
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02:53<sparky4>??????
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03:09<saintro>french channel plz ?
03:09<locklace>!fr
03:09<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur irc.oftc.net. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.oftc.net.
03:09<sparky4>skirts?
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03:10<saintro>merci =)
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03:25<jmm>hi .
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03:46<sparky4>crazp
03:46<sparky4>I ran out of memory
03:47<sparky4>because VIA raid card will not work
03:47<sparky4>....
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03:48<twb>Raid cards that cost under $500 are fakeraid and should not be used.
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03:49<JKL>:(
03:49<JKL>i was buing under 30e card
03:49<JKL>buying
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03:50<twb>JKL: the only reason to use such a card is as an ordinary controller, e.g. to add SATA to a machine that only has PATA.
03:50<sparky4>PCI 2 IDE card is what I have
03:50<JKL>i would like to have cheap mirroring that works in esxi
03:51<degato>try mdadm?
03:51<twb>JKL: sorry, I assumed you were running Debian
03:51<JKL>np
03:51<twb>JKL: ESXi is Linux-based, but I have no idea if you can do md RAID in it.
03:51<twb>You should ask #vmware on Freenode about that.
03:52<JKL>yes i should :)
03:53<sparky4>me?
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03:54<twb>sparky4: only if you're running ESXi, too
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03:54<sparky4>ESXi????????????
03:54<JKL>x)
03:54<JKL>panic!
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03:54<twb>JKL: SysRq-cokebottle-reset
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04:01<sparky4>how do I downgrade from squeeze to lenny?
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04:04<Myon>sparky4: basically, you don't
04:05<Myon>sparky4: you can try to, but it won't be fun. We recommend to reinstall instead (unless you know what you are doing with dpkg/apt)
04:06*sparky4 is going to kill his friend sudos
04:06<twb>If you have to ask how, you don't know enough to do it safely.
04:06<sparky4>Myon: or wait it to become stable?
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04:06<Myon>that would work too ;)
04:07<Myon>(but you'd need to constantly upgrade, or else there's zero security)
04:07<sparky4>Myon: NOTHING WORKS!!!!!!!!!!!!! /_;
04:07<sparky4>in testing
04:07<twb>Myon: you should be constantly applying security patches to stable, too...
04:08<Myon>yeah, right, but there's more updates in testing and all sorts of surprises
04:08<Myon>but that doesn't sound like a production box, so it doesn't hurt
04:08<twb>Or: testing gets new features, thus new bugs
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04:09<sparky4>twb: like drivers not working
04:09<Myon>well, downgrading the kernel shouldn't be that hard
04:09<twb>sparky4: certainly.
04:10<sparky4>Myon: !?
04:10<sparky4>really?
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04:10<sparky4>can i remove the new nvidia drivers
04:10<sparky4>set the source.list to stablew
04:10<sparky4>and reinstall the stable version witht he stable kernel?
04:11*twb grumbles about nvidia's fuckups being attributed to squeeze
04:12<twb>sparky4: kernels are never REMOVED automatically, so you probably still have lenny's kernel installed
04:12<sparky4>!
04:12<sparky4>I do
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04:13<sparky4>I see 2.6.26
04:13<jm_>he joined yesterday too and I gave him URL for fixed nvidia-kernel-legacy package and the only comment about it was FAIL ...
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04:15<sparky4>jm_: it failed to work
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04:16<jm_>sparky4: I already said this yesterday and I'll repeat it - that's a very useful error report
04:17<sparky4>jm_: http://4ch.irc.su/f
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04:17<Myon>(EE) NVIDIA: Failed to load the NVIDIA kernel module. Please check your
04:17<Myon>(EE) NVIDIA: system's kernel log for additional error messages.
04:17<Myon>fix that
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04:18<jm_>sparky4: I already commented about accessing this site, so you'll need to rely on people who can do it
04:19<sparky4>Myon: how?
04:19<Myon>google? your brain?
04:20<Myon>sparky4: http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
04:20<sparky4>Myon: I am now To debian
04:20<jm_>he is trying to build it AFAIK
04:20<sparky4>my friend suggested upgradeing to squeeze because of DRIVERS
04:20<sparky4>and now look where I am!
04:20<jm_>since he only has regualr version which does not support his card (it's old 5xxx one)
04:20<jm_>regular version of the driver that is - he need legacy
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04:21<Myon>maybe you should ask your friend to fix this
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04:21<sparky4>Myon: i lost contact
04:21<sparky4>he is not in my IRC
04:22<Myon>well, if you really want *us* to help you, you need to do your homework
04:22<Myon>like trying things *really* yourself first, and then ask google, and then ask us
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04:23<sparky4>google has no answers....
04:23<sparky4>no direct answers
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04:26<Myon>no wonder if you tried search terms like "it failed to work"
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04:27<sparky4>Myon: I do not know what message to imput into google
04:28<Myon>something like howto debian nvidia
04:28<Myon>good luck, I'm away now
04:28<twb>jm_: thanks, I'ved plonk him.
04:28<twb>*jm_: thanks, I've plonked him.
04:29<sparky4>????
04:29<sparky4>sigh
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05:41<james4432>hey is there some sort of simple iptables setup script included with lenny?
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05:45<jm_>to do what?
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05:54<james4432>to generate some rules
05:54<james4432>I just want to allow 22,80,443 and i dont have a clue
05:55<jm_>there are several GUI frontends
05:55<jm_>and other front-ends too
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07:18-!-mode/#debian [-o themill] by themill
07:18<themill>(topicdiff: 4.0r9 released)
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07:33<anita>laa
07:33<anita>olaa
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07:34<themill>!es-social anita
07:34<dpkg>anita: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador por favor ingresa al canal social de #debian-es con /join #debian-es-cachondeo. Tus amigos probablemente ya esten ahi.
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07:36<screwdriver>!gr
07:36<dpkg>Gia voitheia sta ellinika dokimaste to #debian.gr & to #debian-el (irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net). For help in Greek try #debian.gr or #debian-el (irc.oftc.net or irc.freenode.net).
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08:44<padski>what do I need to do to persuade youtube html5 to work ?
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08:45<jmm>big guns.
08:47<padski>heh
08:48<jm_>hopefully they will switch away from flash crap and kill it
08:48<padski>also, "dh_testroot: You must run this as root (or use fakeroot)." but I have fakeroot installed. was I supposed to be using something like dh-make instead of 'make -f debian/rules' ?
08:49<jm_>padski: try debuild -uc -us -b
08:49<padski>jm_, thanks!
08:50<jm_>otherwise it's dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot IIRC
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08:54<padski>superb! and installing chromium-browser has gotten me some html5 to play
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09:00<padski>the writing is on the wall for flash as a video container, maybe they will wake up. I'd like to see MPEG-LA's pension plan derailed too.
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09:21<flyeng4>Can someone help me with my sound? http://pastebin.com/uKfSb320 I have no audio output even after running a seemingly successful alsaconf.
09:22<flyeng4>When I run alsa mixer, I get: alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory
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09:26<jordanm>Tell flypiper about alsa checklist
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09:44<unixabg>Greetings, I am looking for a basic asset inventory tool for linux that can print barcodes and interface with a barcode scanner
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09:44<unixabg>Any suggestions?
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09:52<the-dude>unixabg: try barcode for printing
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10:13<unixabg>the-dude, thanks for the response. I really wanted a turnkey tool I can run on Debian.
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10:29<the-dude>unixabg: we are using barcode scanners which works out of the box
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11:44<astae>hi everybody
11:47<jmm>hi astae .
11:49<astae>hi jmm
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12:04<debacle>Hi all, can anyone help me with a program installation ? It's a intel flash utility for linux and it's an rpm file. http://downloadmirror.intel.com/16893/eng/S3200_Linux.zip
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12:04<debacle>according to intel's readme it should be distro indipendent but it do not run under debian lenny.
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12:05<DebianOrUbuntuNewbie>hello, I need help with download debian.
12:05<debacle>i've converted it with alien but with no luck
12:06<DebianOrUbuntuNewbie>sorry, I cannot help on alien computing systems.
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12:06<debacle>DebianOrUbuntuNewbie: just ask !
12:06<DebianOrUbuntuNewbie>ok
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12:07<DebianOrUbuntuNewbie>How long am I supposed to wait before jigdo downloads the necessary debian files?
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12:08<DebianOrUbuntuNewbie>I am downloading image from http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.4/i386/jigdo-cd/ with jigdo-lite
12:09<debacle>DebianOrUbuntuNewbie: i do not know. why do not you use http ? ?
12:09<DebianOrUbuntuNewbie>the site says the http server will take a long time
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12:10<DebianOrUbuntuNewbie>there are actually multiple iso files. I did not know that this os software use a large virtual size.
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12:11<debacle>DebianOrUbuntuNewbie: well i usually download from cdimage server @ 1400K/sec ... you can anyway use a download accelerator like aria fdm getright and so on !
12:12<DebianOrUbuntuNewbie>that's a good idea.
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12:13<Myon>DebianOrUbuntuNewbie: download only the first CD (or DVD), the remaining stuff is still available via the package manager
12:13<amphi>DebianOrUbuntuNewbie: or just use the netinstall iso
12:13<DebianOrUbuntuNewbie>ok, will do
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12:15<old>DebianOrUbuntuNewbie: What's wrong with your jigdo lite? It's slow, or does not download anything?
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12:16<DebianOrUbuntuNewbie>the jigdo lite does download, but it looks time the wait time will take hours.
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12:18<DebianOrUbuntuNewbie>I will be back to let you know how jigdo works for me.
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12:19<debacle>so noany can help me with an rpm installation under debian ?
12:19<old>DebianOrUbuntuNewbie: Maybe you've chosen a slow mirror?
12:20<DebianOrUbuntuNewbie|AwayFromK>I did choose http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/
12:20<jordanm>!rpm
12:20<dpkg>RPM is both the RPM Package Manager and the file format for its packages. <alien> can convert a .rpm package to a .deb file format. Convert a .rpm to a <cpio> archive via the rpm2cpio command (in the rpm Debian package). Note that alien doesn't do a very good job of converting the package, you should use a proper Debian package in preference to alien. Also ask me about <stow>, <checkinstall>.
12:23<debacle>jordanm: thank you ... but this seems to not fix the problem !
12:23<jordanm>debacle: you never mentioned what the problem was
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12:26<dandana>hi everybody
12:26<dandana>what package installs locale-gen ?
12:26<debacle>jordanm: you 're right ! :-) alien seems to convert the rpm in a directory tree (because of Skipping conversion of scripts in package flashupdt: postinst postrm prerm). the problem is that if i execute the file it do not work.
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12:27<avu>daniel, apt-file can tell you
12:27<avu>erm
12:27<avu>daniel, ^
12:27<avu>dandana, ^
12:27<avu>dammit :)
12:28<avu>dandana, also, packages.debian.org
12:28<jordanm>debacle: don't use alien or RPM... use checkinstall to attempt build a deb or grab the source and install locally (/usr/local)
12:28<jordanm>debacle: what software is this?
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12:30<debacle>jordanm: it's the intel motherboard flash utility. And intel peoples decide to not release any tgz but only rpms for r.h. or suse. I hate intel people !
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12:30<debacle>jordanm: http://downloadmirror.intel.com/16893/eng/S3200_Linux.zip
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12:35<debacle>jordanm: i think this is a piece of sh***t. Manual say to simply "Run ./setup_linux" to install but setup_linux do not run !
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12:36<debacle>jordanm: thei probably refer to RedHat. As if r.h. is the only linux distro !
12:37<edbian>Is there an easier API for pop-up notifications in gnome than libnotify and creating objects and all that? Can zenity create pop-up notifications?
12:37<amphi>debacle: perhaps you must chmod it?
12:37<amphi>edbian: there's always xmessage
12:38<debacle>amphi: already done ! chmodded to 777 but do not work !
12:38<edbian>amphi, Oh boy is that ugly! :)
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12:39<amphi>edbian: osd_cat? ghosd_cat?
12:39<amphi>or gmessage, which is at least gtk
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12:40<amphi>edbian: or notify-send? or is that what you want to avoid?
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12:41<edbian>man notify-send!
12:41<edbian>That's the ticket. I used it once before
12:41<edbian>thanks thanks thanks
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12:41<edbian>What package is that a part of?
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12:42<amphi>edbian: libnotify-bin
12:42<unixabg>the-dude, So your scanners come with software to do basic asset inventory?
12:42<amphi>edbian: apt-file is your friend ;)
12:43<unixabg>What scanners and what is the name of the tool?
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12:46<harshad>hi
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13:12<the-dude>unixabg: im not sure do you want me to check for you tomorrow?
13:12<the-dude>unixabg: is just read the info and pastes the info(number)
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13:36<simonrvn>dude, what's with the crazy nick?
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13:40<jthomas_sb>Can anyone recommend an inexpensive PCI-express 16x dual-headed video card that can run 3D with FLOSS drivers?
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13:45<jordanm>jthomas_sb: now or potentially in the future? :p
13:46<jordanm>the free radeon drivers support 3d, but can be a pain. the new nvidia drivers are not quite up to par but will be ready soon
13:46<jthomas_sb>i would like a recommendation so that I can buy the card now
13:47<jthomas_sb>the radeon i have at home works well but i need to get a number of them for work, and the one that i was planning had a single review related to linux and that said the 3d did not work for the card (4th review down on http://tinyurl.com/34ub4x4 )
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14:45<Zathras_>hi. Is bootchart removed from Squeeze?
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14:46<Zathras_>I have an issue with rmnologin/bootchart since I upgraded from lenny to squeeze
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14:47<Zathras_>no chart but nothing loged. so not clear what is going on. apt-get install --reinstall bootchart bootchart-view fails:
14:47<Zathras_>Reinstallation of bootchart is not possible, it cannot be downloaded.
14:48<jordanm>,versions bootchart
14:48<judd>bootchart -- etch: 0.9-4; lenny: 0.10~svn407-3; sid: 0.10~svn407-3.3
14:48<jordanm>!why is bootchart not in testing
14:48<dpkg>bootchart is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=bootchart
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14:49<Zathras_>ah. sounds serious. it was available until a couple of days ago
14:49<Zathras_>guess I have to wait until it is fixed
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14:52<unixabg>the-dude, yes please check if you could. I will for sure be back online Tuesday
14:56<Zathras_>jordanm, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=521437 <-- post april, oct and nov state it is probably not a bootchart issue. Still it is listed as such. Months later than suggested by Luk Claes it seems it is removed
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14:56<Zathras_>strange
14:57<jordanm>Zathras_: you can fetch the sid version from packages.debian.org if you want to give it a try
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14:58<Zathras_>could not find it on the ftp server
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14:59<jordanm>http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=bootchart&searchon=names&suite=unstable§ion=all
14:59<jordanm>Zathras_: ^ not good searching then
14:59<Zathras_>agreed ;-)
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15:01<Zathras_>ncftp boo<tab> did not give it away. I was too lazy apparently
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15:02<Zathras_>ty
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15:03<DebianOrUbuntuNewbie>ok, I am back. The jigdo-lite does work.
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15:04<DebianOrUbuntuNewbie>I have the iso, jigdo, and template file in the jigdo directory.
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15:05<DebianOrUbuntuNewbie>so far, I do not see a need for an product activation key so that is good to know.
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15:06<DebianOrUbuntuNewbie>Now, I shall 'burn' the files to a blank CD.
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15:10<old>DebianOrUbuntuNewbie: "product activation key" ?
15:11<DebianOrUbuntuNewbie>yeah, like the Windows XP OS installation.
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15:11-!-arw is "arw" on #debian #debian-es #debian-mentors-es @+#linux-es #debian-es-cachondeo
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15:11<Oyashiro>oh god, plese tell me he's joking
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15:12<old>Oyashiro: I hope so.
15:13<Nemoder_>Where do I go to see why a package was removed from Debian?
15:14<old>DebianOrUbuntuNewbie: You've just shown your ignorance, so I'll ask just in case: Do you know how to make your CD out of an .iso file?
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15:17<DebianOrUbuntuNewbie>Yes
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15:17<old>DebianOrUbuntuNewbie: Good.
15:18<DebianOrUbuntuNewbie>With some (forgot the term), imageburning.
15:18<jackyf>Nemoder_: try looking here: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?src=ftp.debian.org, 'Removal Requested' sections
15:18<jackyf>Nemoder_: also, if you know the precise package name, there can be easier way
15:19<Nemoder_>well in this case audacious-plugins-extra
15:19<Nemoder_>I don't see it listed there
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15:21<jackyf>Nemoder_: http://packages.qa.debian.org/a/audacious-plugins/news/20100410T041756Z.html
15:21<jackyf>I think it just merged to audacious-plugins
15:22<jackyf>you can contact maintainer for more info
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15:22<Nemoder_>hm seems to be a lot missing if so
15:22<Nemoder_>thanks though
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15:22<jackyf>Nemoder_: so don't forget to read changelogs :)
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15:31<drakeman>hey guys, good evening, i need some help, im trying to install a converted rpm package in my debian lenny server, but i get kernel module not load errors, can i add the modules manually, there is anyway to use the package correctly? thanks
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15:31<retrospectacus>what's the package? how was it converted?
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15:34<cahoot>drakeman: the answers you get on freenode doesn't suit you?
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15:36<drakeman>cahoot, ?
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15:36<drakeman>retrospectacus, the package is doubletake, a replication software
15:37<drakeman>retrospectacus, i converted the package using alien. the error i get is http://pastebin.com/MSYBf6h1
15:37<drakeman>when i want to start the service
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15:37<Nemoder_>"Sorry, the scrobbler plugin has been removed from 2.3-1 since it proved
15:37<Nemoder_>unreliable." damn, it was working perfectly fine for me :(
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15:43<SuperMiguel>how come i dont have a xorg.conf under /etc/X11/ ??
15:44<cahoot>SuperMiguel: not needed?
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15:45<dkr>SuperMiguel: it auto configs with a conf file nowadays
15:45<dkr>er, without
15:46<SuperMiguel>umm cuz im following this guide: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC/HowTo/Configure and i need an xorg.conf
15:46<dkr>so make it
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15:49<SuperMiguel>do i just use the x autoconfig to create the file or just make it and just put in there the changes i need?
15:49<dkr>the former would save you a little bit of typing
15:49<SuperMiguel>former?
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15:50<dkr>when you say "A or B", A is called the "former" (and B is the "latter")
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15:52<SuperMiguel>is it easier/better to use system-config-display or just xorg -configure
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15:52<drakeman>ml|, how are you
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15:56<DavidPixel>Hi -- how can I make it so I can't get speeds _over_ 20 kb/s down and 20 kb/s up on my wireless network?
15:56<DavidPixel>Fast speeds seem to "break" the adapter.
15:57<locklace>that's what's known as the wrong solution
15:57<locklace>state your version of debian and paste the output of uname -a and lspci -knn at http://paste.debian.net
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15:59<DavidPixel>locklace: http://paste.debian.net/75095/
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16:01<diem>Hi all. I've done a mkfs.ext3 over a (wrong) existing ext3 partition. I've interrupted mkfs when it was writing the inode tables (but far from finished). Does anyone knows a tool for recovering the fs ?
16:01<locklace>DavidPixel: no wireless there. what is it, a usb thing?
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16:02<locklace>diem: have you considered prayer
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16:03<diem>locklace: prayer - standalone IMAP-based webmail server .. mm .. no :-P
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16:03<DavidPixel>locklace: A Dell 1450 wireless - USB - adapter (p54usb driver). I had similar problems on Windows and Ubuntu but it's far worse on Debian. If I do too much at once I have to shut the PC down and turn it on again.
16:03<DavidPixel>I assumed it was a hardware issue so I figured limiting the network traffic was the only solution.
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16:04<locklace>DavidPixel: could be, but first you should try updating your kernel to the one in backports and see if that helps
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16:04<locklace>DavidPixel: http://packages.debian.org/lenny-backports/amd64/linux-image-2.6.32-bpo.3-amd64/download
16:04<buffoon>hi there! Does anybody know a web-based management tool for kvm in debian? If possible in lenny...
16:05<locklace>DavidPixel: download that, install it with dpkg -i and reboot
16:05<tonsofpc1>using stable (504, installed from CD1), how can I see a SCSI drive with a LUN that isn't 0? (Supposedly I can pass max_luns=[n] to scsi_mod, but I don't see where I can put the options line...)
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16:07<DavidPixel>locklace: I'll do it now - thank you.
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16:10<DavidPixel>locklace: It's telling me I "may require additional firmware files: p54usb: isl3887usb, isl3886usb". I believe those are the wireless USB adapter. Should I continue?
16:10<DavidPixel>Or should I attempt to find them before continuing?
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16:14<locklace>!p54usb
16:14<dpkg>The p54 drivers provide support for several Intersil ISL38xx wireless LAN chipsets (PCI and USB), included in the mainline Linux kernel since 2.6.24. Firmware is required (not packaged for Debian, BTS #481234), see http://wiki.debian.org/prism54 for installation instructions. The deprecated prism54 driver is disabled in Debian kernel images since 2.6.24. #prism54 on irc.freenode.net.
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16:15<locklace>DavidPixel: but it sounds like you may already have the firmware installed if it's working now
16:15<DavidPixel>locklace: Okay, I'll continue the installation.
16:15<locklace>DavidPixel: cross-check the p54usb firmware instructions on the above wiki page, and while you're at it check to see if you're using the most recent firmware for your card
16:16<DavidPixel>locklace: Those are the instructions I used to get the card working yesterday.
16:16<DavidPixel>When I installed Debian.
16:16<locklace>cool
16:16<DavidPixel>I installed the thing you said.
16:16<DavidPixel>linux-image... - should I restart?
16:16<locklace>yes
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16:16<DavidPixel>Okay.
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16:23<Nemoder_>something is really broken here, mount any cdrom and the drive spins and mount doesn't return an error but no files show up in the mounted directory and it doesn't get added to mtab
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16:28<DavidPixel>locklace: I believe it worked. I had to wire-up and re-install some firmware but I opened about 20 tabs whilst downloading packages and no disconnects. I believe you have fixed it!
16:28<DavidPixel>If you have a site/PayPal I will happily donate to say thank you.
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16:28<locklace>!congratulate DavidPixel
16:28<dpkg>Nice one DavidPixel, you did it!
16:28<tonsofpcs>where in stable are modules loaded? (and where should I put options for scsi_mod ?)
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16:30<locklace>tonsofpcs: man modprobe.conf
16:30<DavidPixel>Thanks again.
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16:32<the-dude>unixabg: will check for you tomorrow and let you know
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16:32<tonsofpcs>locklace: modprobe.conf doesn't exist (modules and modprobe.d do) and I can't find where scsi_mod is being loaded in there (I'm guessing there's some complex script deciding to do it)
16:32<tonsofpcs>I tried adding a file in modprobe.d and just putting the options line there, but that doesn't appear to work.
16:33<locklace>tonsofpcs: you know, initramfs and all that hooha
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17:02<SuperMiguel>i installed google-chrome using dpkg -i, im trying to remove it but when i type dpkg -r google-chrome it says that it doesnt exist ..
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17:04<kop>SuperMiguel: You probably need to give it the whole name, with version and all that. I'd try using aptitude (or even apt-get) instead.
17:05<SuperMiguel>let me try aptitude
17:05<weasel>SuperMiguel: "dpkg -l | grep chrome"
17:05<weasel>SuperMiguel: what does that say?
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17:05<SuperMiguel>thats dumb xD
17:06<SuperMiguel>its google-chrome-stable
17:06<SuperMiguel>... :(
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17:09<Corey>does anyone know if geforce 6150se nfoirce 430 will work with accelerated graphics for ubuntu?
17:09<retrospectacus>!sudosmite Corey
17:09*dpkg takes a lump of 2x4 to Corey and yells "This is not #ubuntu!!!1!"
17:09<Corey>yeah i know this is debian
17:09<Corey>whats your point?
17:09<retrospectacus>why would we know anything about ubuntu?
17:10<weasel>Corey: the point is simply that you are wrong here.
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17:10<Corey>its just a question, i dont know if anyone in here has used ubuntu and ubuntu servers are pretty roudy, im just looking for some ideas
17:10<weasel>ask in an ubuntu channel. this is not an ubuntu channel.
17:10<gernot>Damn. I accidentally clicked full screen mode in remmina which made the toolbar disappear. Does anybody know how to get out of that mode again? Esc or a double click won't do.
17:10<Corey>and you think there far apart on hardware compaitibility
17:11<amphi>who knows?
17:11<Corey>then would it work for debian?
17:11<weasel>who knows.
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17:11<Corey>well not even on debian could i find it
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17:12<Corey>its compaitible but i dont know if it is for accelerated graphics ecause god knows when i get the driver x crashes
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17:12<amphi>blobbery
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17:20<SuperMiguel>i just did a install of squeeze 32 bit and im trying to install flash, i went to adobes site and installed the .deb pack, now when i go a to a flash site it closes the browser, with a segmentation fault error
17:21<bja>SuperMiguel: What do you expect of a closed source program over a fast moving target like linux?
17:21<SuperMiguel>bja, well i tried installing flashplugin-nonfree and same thing
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17:22<bja>Actually flashplugin-nonfree fetches the .deb from adobes site and installs it. Licencing isues
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17:23<SuperMiguel>bja, so whats the right way?
17:23<bja>Now to fix the problem bug the guys at adobe, you might be lucky and you could get some help
17:23<SuperMiguel>...
17:23<bja>SuperMiguel: the right way is staying away from adobe, but then again people just don't like that answer
17:24<SuperMiguel>bja, and what flash player should i use?
17:25<bja>SuperMiguel: good question.
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17:28<SuperMiguel>bja, ?
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17:29<bja>SuperMiguel: gnash doesn't work as expected, and flash breaks a lot of stuff, so i really don't know the answear.
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17:50<s3a>i upgraded my other computer from lenny to squeeze and it doesn't allow to finish the upgrade. to finish, the upgrade, I need to install udev but in order to install udev, I need a newer kernel (basically the squeeze kernel as opposed to the lenny 2.6.26 kernel - I know this because an error message told me) I went to menu.lst and added the 2.6.32-3-amd64 kernel and that does not help. I even tried pressing e when grub was booted to change it to the
17:50<s3a>squeeze kernel which I have installed by the way and it doesn't work!)
17:51<s3a>i tried typing linux-image-2.6.32-3-amd64 as well as linux-image-2.6.32-9-amd64
17:51<s3a>now it's not allowing me to install anything
17:51<s3a>it's forcing me to to boot 2.6.32 to install udev
17:51<s3a>and that's what i want to do so i'd greatly appreciate it if somecan help me
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18:02<diem>locklace: remember when you told me to start praying :D .. I managed to recover ~228Gb out of 290 .. a good start :) (btw, recovering from a mkfs.ext3 in a wrong partition).
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18:04<old1>s3a: I don't understand. Why can't you boot into 2.6.32?
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18:05<s3a>old1, ok first of all when i say "pressing e when grub shows" do you know what I mean?
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18:06<old>s3a: It depends on the version of GRUB. I think you use grub-legacy. Does it bring up commandline?
18:07<s3a>i think it is grub legacy
18:07<s3a>command line as in pressing c?
18:07<old>s3a: Yes, in GRUB2.
18:08<s3a>old, well what does chainloading mean again?
18:08<s3a>and it doesn't look like grub2 (i've seen it before)
18:10<old>Chainloading is running another bootloader from the bootloader.
18:11<s3a>old, i think i chose such an option during the upgrade
18:11<old>s3a: If it looks confusing, it's probably because of my poor English...
18:11<s3a>old, it wasn't confusing
18:11<s3a>what's your mother tongue?
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18:12<s3a>(if not english)
18:12<old>s3a: So, now you do have GRUB in MBR and GRUB2 on a partition.
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18:13<s3a>old, a whole partition just for grub or it's installed on an existing partition?
18:13<old>s3a: You mean my native language? I speak Polish.
18:13<s3a>o i can't speak that, i'm canadian
18:13<old>s3a: Not the whole partition. Just the first sector of it.
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18:14<s3a>ok but it didn't create a whole new partition, right? just spent some data on an existing one (which one? root?)
18:14<xxx>heya i was wondering if anyone could help me get my internal mic working on my hp mini 1000? (Advanced Linux Sound Architecture Driver Version 1.0.21.) (Codec: IDT 92HD75B2X5)
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18:15<bja>diem: Just out of curiosity how did you manage to recover that much data?
18:15<old>s3a: Perhaps, or on /boot should you have one.
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18:16<s3a>i see, ok so back to what we're trying to do? was there a question you asked me? (because i don't remember) or do you just want me to describe my situation better?
18:16<old>s3a: And it's not "some data". It's the first sector, which is meant for bootloader.
18:16<s3a>i see thanks for specifying :)
18:16<old>s3a: Why can't you boot 2.6.32?
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18:17<diem>bja : seems that the key is to never let mkfs to finish. I've interrupted mine while on the "writing inode tables" part. I've made a dd from the partition to a image in a new hdd (the one which I originally wanted to format), then used fsck.ext3 -y -b <superblock> broken.img . I've used one of the last superblock hoping that it wasn't overwritten.
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18:18<diem>bja: a lot of files I've lost their name .. and also the top level dir structure with some other stuff. but a lot of data under two or three dirs, which hold 90% of my data seems intact.
18:18<s3a>old, well you know in regular grub when you try to boot regularly by just pressing enter on the kernel that you want? well, instead of pressing enter, I press "e" and change 2.6.26-2-amd64 to 2.6.32-3-amd64 but instead of booting after when I press "b", it says some kind of error; do you want me to reproduce the error and type it here?
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18:20<old>s3a: No. You chose to chainload, right? Do you know what you did? Do you want me to explain what happened during the upgrade?
18:21<s3a>old, im not too sure about what it is :( so ya if you could explain thatd be great. but does that have anything to do with the issue im having?
18:21<s3a>and ya i did choose to do it
18:21<s3a>i think it was recommended
18:22<old>Yes. You still didn't tell me why can't you boot so I'm going to test the probable reason.
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18:23<s3a>old, when you say "why i can't boot", you mean the exact error?
18:23<s3a>old, i CAN boot using the 2.6.26 kernel
18:23<s3a>but in order to finish the upgrade, i need 2.6.32
18:24<old>s3a: I suppose there is no 2.6.32 entry, but there should be "chainload to GRUB2" one.
18:24<s3a>grub-legacy cannot boot 2.6.32?
18:24<s3a>old, ^
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18:24<old>s3a: I think it can.
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18:25<s3a>old, i added an entry to ./boot/grub/menu.lst
18:25<old>s3a: I'm trying to write an explanation. It'll take a while.
18:25<s3a>and i think i did it correctly
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18:25<s3a>take your time
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18:25<old>s3a: Thank you.
18:26<s3a>old, well thank you for helping :)
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18:30<old>When upgrading to new GRUB2 the old one was in the MBR. It was new, so it was not to be trusted instantly. Instead of replacing old good grub-legacy with new shiny-yet-suspicious GRUB2, the new bootloader was installed in a bootsector of one of partitions, and the old bootloader was told to chainload into it. That way you can still fall back to trusted grub if GRUB2 fails to work. As I said GRUB was told to chainload; by this I mean that a menu entry
18:32<old>s3a: When you hit enter on that entry GRUB will chainload into GRUB2 and you'll be able to boot your system with it just like it was in the MBR.
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18:32<s3a>old, what's the benefit of chainloading?
18:33<old>s3a: If it works you can safely run `upgrade-from-grub-legacy`.
18:33<s3a>ya i tried but to do that i need grub2 installed and i didn't check if i have it but i'm assuming i don't because that command does not work
18:33<s3a>i can't install anything without udev completing
18:34<s3a>old, all i need to do is boot 2.6.32
18:34<old>s3a: It makes it possible to boot all systems, not only these supported by GRUB, providing that they have their own bootloaders.
18:34<s3a>then i can fix everything by myself
18:35<old>s3a: What "command" does not work?
18:35<s3a>upgrade-from-grub-legacy
18:35<s3a>old, ^
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18:36<old>s3a: So you have some half installed packages which prevent you from installing new GRUB completely?
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18:38<s3a>old, well i think all the packages installed except udev so i can't complete the upgrade
18:38<s3a>so more like 99% complete than half
18:39<old>s3a: I meant that some packages (udev in your case) are half installed. They are unpacked, but not yet configured.
18:39<s3a>and yes the grub=>grub2 script does not work
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18:39<s3a>o i see
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18:40<old>s3a: "does not work" does not tell me much... It produces an error or it does not exist?
18:40<s3a>what's "it"?
18:40<s3a>i can go retype the whole error of whatever it is you're asking for
18:41<old>s3a: The command - upgrade-from-grub-legacy.
18:41<s3a>ill be back
18:41<s3a>it says "command not found" and some stuff before it
18:41<s3a>that must mean grub2 is not installed right?
18:41<s3a>ill go do apt-cache policy grub2
18:41<s3a>be bak again
18:42<s3a>it's not installed
18:43<old>s3a: And you can't install it because of udev?
18:44<s3a>i think so
18:44<s3a>ill try again
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18:44<old>s3a: Remove udev then. You'll install it later.
18:44<s3a>ok ill try that
18:44<old>First try to install grub2.
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18:44<s3a>i can't remove udev; it tells me to do apt-get install -f
18:44<s3a>ill try installing grub2 again 2 secs
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18:45<s3a>cannot install grub2 either
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18:45<old>s3a: Are you trying to do it with APT? Use `dpkg -r udev`.
18:46<s3a>i wasn't aware of the dpkg -r udev command
18:46<s3a>and apt-get install -f just tries to install udev
18:46<s3a>wait
18:46<s3a>o wait actually i've seen that command before
18:47<s3a>old, it's saying that it can't remove udev due to dependency problems
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18:48<moddy>gentoo ftw.
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18:48<old>s3a: Is there a new kernel among the dependencies?
18:48<s3a>i'll list the depends, brb
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18:49<old>s3a: dpkg should have told you when trying to remove udev.
18:49<s3a>initramfs-tools and hal depend on udev therefore it cannot be removed
18:49<s3a>ya dpkg said so
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18:52<old>s3a: Well, let's leave GRUB2 alone. `update-grub` should remake the menu list so it contains the new kernel. Adding it manually is usually not a good idea. Maybe something has changed in the way menu entries have to be specified.
18:52<s3a>ok ill do upgrade-grub brb
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18:53<craigevil>!udev squeeze
18:53<dpkg>As of <udev> 150 in squeeze, Linux kernel 2.6.27 or newer is required (i.e. upgrade kernel and udev at the same time). If udev installation fails and you already have a squeeze kernel installed, then reboot into the new kernel and "aptitude -f install ; aptitude safe-upgrade" to continue. <squeeze kernel> <kernel abi>, or http://bugs.debian.org/571255
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18:53<s3a>old, that seems to have fixed it!
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18:54<s3a>let me see if it's actualyl solved though
18:54<old>s3a: I think it lists kernel which it found. The new one is there right?
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18:55<Guest1756>hello
18:55<Guest1756>:D
18:55<Guest1756>how are we today?
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18:56<old>Guest1756: Hello David. Do you have a Debian related question?
18:56<s3a>old, kernel panick not syncing vfs and something about root(hd1,0)
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18:56<s3a>old, ya the new one is there
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18:57<old>s3a: I had the same problem earlier, but forgot how to solve it. IIRC it has something to do with partitions' indexes. They're counted from one instead of being counted from 0 or something similar...
18:58<Guest1756>How do I join a different chat server #xubuntu
18:58<abrotman>Guest1756: /server irc.freenode.net , then /join #xubuntu
18:58<Guest1756>ty
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18:59<dr|z3d>!next
18:59<dpkg>Another happy customer leaves the building.
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19:00<s3a>old, what's a partition index? the only indexes i'm familiar with are in java programming with arrays etc and in calculus summations
19:00<SuperMiguel>conky is not in the repo anymore?
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19:01<old>s3a: (hd1,0) <- here is an example of how grub describes a partition, here the first partition of the first disk.
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19:02<old>s3a: I think it should be (hd1,1) now, but I am not sure.
19:02<s3a>old, so i should try booting from (hd1,1) ?
19:02<s3a>oldtrying wouldn't hurt, right?
19:02<s3a>old, ^
19:02<old>s3a: It cost some time. ;-)
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19:03<s3a>that's not a problem with me
19:04*Efreak runs dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/sda1
19:04*Efreak whistles
19:04<craigevil>SuperMiguel: in sid and probbaly testing conky is now conky-all, conky-std, conky-cli, while "conky" is a transitional package
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19:05<SuperMiguel>im in squeeze, and i tried conky-all and doesnt find it
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19:05<Efreak>..who the @#$% is conky?
19:06<Efreak>oh, its a program
19:06*Efreak thought it was a repo
19:06*Efreak shuts up now
19:06<Efreak>dist*
19:06<old>s3a: "Costs" even. You can also try to install grub2 with dpkg and then fix dependencies with `apt-get -f install`, but if there was a question about chainloading it should already installed. I'm puzzled. Actual bootloader is in grub-pc package, so can you check its apt-cache policy?
19:06<craigevil>SuperMiguel: shows up on pdo, http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=conky&searchon=names&suite=testing§ion=all
19:07<s3a>old, you want me to do apt-cache policy grub-pc? also, i have two harddrives in the computer, could that make a difference?
19:08<old>s3a: Yes. I've read about a bug which caused GRUB to misbehave on systems with multiple drives. I'll serch for it.
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19:08<s3a>old, was that bug in testing?
19:09<SuperMiguel>craigevil, umm weird... i even tried testing and nothing
19:09<old>s3a: I don't remember.
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19:10<s3a>old, okay so you think that this whole issue is grub's fault?
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19:10<old>s3a: Bug #583200. I don't know if it is relevant.
19:11<qq->, versions conky
19:11<judd>conky -- etch: 1.4.4-1; lenny: 1.6.0-2; sid/contrib: 1.8.0-1; squeeze/contrib: 1.8.0-1
19:11<craigevil>SuperMiguel: its in contrib now, on lenny its in main
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19:12<s3a>old, that bug actually concerns lenny
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19:13<old>s3a: This may be a kernel also. I had this error when I didn't compile driver for my disk in, but a stock kernel comes with initrd, so it's not the case.
19:14<s3a>initrd is a hard drive driver?
19:14<s3a>old, ^
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19:14<old>s3a: It's a ramdisk which is used during boot time. It contains the drivers among other stuff needed to boot.
19:15<old>!tell s3a about initrd
19:16<s3a>old, by the way im using LVM
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19:18<old>s3a: I don't have experience with LVM. I remember it was default for Fedora 4, but it was at the time I've tested various distros to see which suits me most.
19:19<old>s3a: This could be the reason, but I cannot tell for sure. I think it should work if it worked earlier.
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19:21<old>s3a: Have you tried to boot with (hd1,1)?
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19:21<s3a>old ya
19:22<old>s3a: What about installing GRUB2 with dpkg?
19:22<s3a>old, how do i do that?
19:22<s3a>dpkg -i ?
19:22<dpkg>s3a: no idea
19:22<s3a>dpkg -i would need me to locate the .deb files
19:22*dpkg removes a kidney from s3a and replaces it with would need me to locate the .deb files
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19:23<old>s3a: Yes
19:23<s3a>old, so ur telling me to apt-get install grub2 -d then cd to directory and do dpkg -i *.deb ?
19:23<old>s3a: `apt-get -dy install grub2` should download them.
19:23<s3a>or specificname.deb
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19:24<s3a>-dy is the same as -d -y ?
19:24<s3a>old, ^
19:25<old>s3a: You don't have to cd. `dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/grub2[tab]...` should do.
19:25<old>s3a: Yes. Most programs allow concatenation of switches.
19:25<s3a>old, what's a switch?
19:25<s3a>in this case
19:27<old>s3a: Hard to define... The letter after the dash (hyphen?). In this case 'y' and 'd'. These tell apt to download without asking.
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19:28<s3a>im not sure if it's called hyphen, and switches in this case is another way of saying "parameters?"
19:29<old>s3a: I think "options" are closer to that.
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19:30<old>s3a: They technically are parameters, but their meaning is to change program's behaviour.
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19:31<s3a>old, ok so apart from learning a few things, i kinda got nowhere with my actual problem :( so there's nothing u think could be the culprit so that I can try to figure out later?
19:32<old>s3a: If new kernel needs new bootloader (which is probably false) the only thing i'd try to do is to install grub2.
19:33<old>s3a: I don't have more ideas.
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19:33<s3a>old, ok ill post it on debian forums but what should i state that i did there?
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19:35<old>Oh I got one. Udev replaces hotplug. You can return to hotplug and install udev when a new kernel is ready. This will at least enable you to install packages, such as grub2. Use aptitude to do this.
19:35<fernandotcl>hi, i have a bug to report on my sound driver. should i report it to the BTS or to alsa's bugtracker? it looks like an upstream bug, but alsa is outdated in unstable (nothing in experimental or incoming either)
19:35<old>s3a: update-grub seems to be the most important thing you've tried.
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19:36<s3a>old, ok thanks ill mention that
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19:36<s3a>old, thanks for your time
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19:37<old>s3a: No problem. I am sorry i didn't resolve the problem, but nobody is perfect. ;-)
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19:40<cipher>hey i have the small 400mb version of debian installed, i got it networking working on my router. I have tried using apt-get to install other packages, however it is not finding anything.
19:40<s3a>old, don't worry about it
19:40<cipher>is there a console version of a package-manager?
19:41<old>cipher: You mean something like aptitude?
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19:42<cipher>yes
19:42<fernandotcl>cipher: check /etc/apt/sources.list, apt-get update first
19:42<old>cipher: `apt-get update`
19:42<cipher>i have not used it before but i have heard of it
19:42<cipher>ok
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19:43<cipher>i just have lenny/updates main
19:43<kostix>is there a way to disable ipv6 at boot time (via a kernel command-line option for instance) for 2.6.26 (Lenny)? I've seen a suggestion to use "ipv6.disable=1" but the kernel says it's unknown
19:45<themill>!noipv6
19:45<dpkg>[noipv6] To disable use of <IPv6> on Lenny: echo "install ipv6 /bin/true" >> /etc/modprobe.d/local.conf (and reboot for the changes to take effect). From Squeeze onwards, IPv6 is built into the kernel, add the kernel command line option "ipv6.disable=1" to your bootloader.
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19:46<kostix>ah, I see. thanks, themill
19:46<cipher>well i suppose i should add another repository for apt-get?
19:46<cipher>as i only have the barebone basics right now..
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19:55<cipher>how do i mark a package to install + the dependences in aptitude? sorry i am trying to actually learn linux i have been on ubuntu.
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19:56<dondelelcaro>cipher: aptitude install foopkg; or use the curses interface and hit + on it.
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19:57<cipher>ok
19:57<cipher>thanks
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20:07<cipher>will the + command in aptitude automatically install all dependences also?
20:08<themill>cipher: yes
20:09<themill>(that's the point of apt-get and aptitude)
20:09<cipher>lol ok
20:09<cipher>sorry
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20:11<loki_>hey guys, i have a question
20:11<retrospectacus>ahhhh... glorious beer
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20:12<loki_>my friend wants to try out debian, with a netinst image, but he's not sure if his wireless usb thing is supported
20:12<loki_>its a netgear wg11
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20:12<loki_>111*
20:12<loki_>just wanna know if the hardware detector would detect it on the net install image
20:13<abrotman>!wg111
20:13<dpkg>The WG111 is a 802.11g USB device produced by Netgear. For support of version 1 (revision 1: USB-ID 0846:4220; revision 2: USB-ID 0846:4240) ask me about <p54>. For version 2 (USB-ID 0846:6A00) and version 3 (USB-ID 0846:4260), ask me about <rtl-wifi>. See also <wg111t>, <wg111u>.
20:15<loki_>all i need to know is if the newest version of the installer would detect it
20:15<loki_>i would assume it would because its so old
20:15<loki_>but he wants confirmation before he tries
20:16<loki_>also, i have no idea how to ask the bot anything
20:16<abrotman>depends on which version of hte device it is
20:16<loki_>its probably the most recent firmware i'd guess
20:17<loki_>he updates firmware regularly
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20:17<abrotman>that's not what i mean
20:17<loki_>is there a way he could check the firmware?
20:17<loki_>what do you mean then?
20:17<cipher>it is also telling me tons of dependences are unavailable
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20:18<loki_>what is cipher? do you need help?
20:19<cipher>yes i do
20:19<loki_>what's the issue?
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20:20<loki_>he sent me this link saying "i think this is it" http://kb.netgear.com/app/products/model/a_id/2558
20:20<cipher>i am trying to get packages for debian to get it running. i do not have X, wireless capabilities. I got it connected to my router, and i am trying to get packages such as X and Gnome. However aptitude is telling me that many dependences are unavailable
20:21<loki_>odd
20:21<loki_>what version is this? lenny, squeeze or sid?
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20:21<cipher>i think it is lenny
20:22<loki_>also if your internet isn't working what wireless hardware are you using?
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20:22<loki_>it possibly just doesn't recognize your hardware
20:22<loki_>can you install anything at all? or is it just xorg and gnome?
20:22<cipher>no xorg or gnome
20:22<cipher>i have no wm or dm
20:22<cipher>lol
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20:23<loki_>are you on another pc right?
20:23<cipher>yeah
20:23<loki_>i guess you just don't have internet then
20:23<loki_>http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi
20:23<cipher>well i can access it with a ethernet cord so for the moment tgat is ok
20:24<cipher>i had to change the /etc/network/interfaces to use dhcp which in the install it told me was set
20:25<cipher>someone linked me to the 400mb version of debian
20:25<cipher>and i do not have any more dvds to burn to atm
20:26<loki_>so did changing it to dhcp work?
20:26<loki_>can you use apt now?
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20:26<cipher>i can not use apt because it is not set up right i think.
20:26<cipher>aptitude work
20:26<cipher>s
20:26<loki_>if you're wired it would make no sense
20:26<loki_>to not be able to use apt
20:27<loki_>should just work...
20:27<cipher>maybe i will change the apt repository to ubuntu's?
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20:27<loki_>no
20:27<loki_>definitley not
20:27<cipher>lol ok
20:27<loki_>its not compatible with debian since the fork
20:27<cipher>ohh ok
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20:27<loki_>maybe try changing your repos to something closer?
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20:28<loki_>where are you?
20:28<loki_>i'll find one
20:28<loki_>i'm bored anyway
20:28<cipher>colorado US.
20:28<loki_>what's your mirror now?
20:28<cipher>one second
20:28<cipher>let me reboot it is freaking out
20:29<loki_>http://www.debian.org/mirror/list
20:29<loki_>there's a bunch
20:29<loki_>not sure if there's a university of colorado but there could be, probably would be the best choice
20:29<loki_>if there is
20:30<loki_>otherwise, ftp.us.debian.org/debian would work well
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20:30<billybob>that's what I use
20:30<cipher>one sec
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20:31<old>cipher: Can you pastebin what the APT says, please?
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20:32<cipher>where the heck the the apt repo file?
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20:33<cipher>sources.list?
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20:33<billybob>for me /etc/apt/sources.list
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20:34<cipher>\yeah i got it
20:34<cipher>all i have is deb http://www.security.debian.org
20:34<cipher>lenny/updates main
20:34<billybob>deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian lenny main
20:35<cipher>ok
20:35<cipher>ill change it to that
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20:36<loki_>if that doesn't work, maybe try a live cd from another distro and see if it detects your wireless
20:36<themill>billybob: you might like to use "us" rather than "de" in there, however.
20:36<cipher>yeah it does
20:36<loki_>yes, de is in germany
20:36<cipher>i used bt3 b4 this
20:36<cipher>SLAX worked fine
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20:37<cipher>i am trying to turn it into a server
20:37<cipher>and to learn
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20:37<compaq>anyone running deban testing?
20:37<loki_>i'm running sid
20:38<loki_>i've ran testing many times though
20:38<compaq>loki_, oh, you are a developer?
20:38<loki_>what do you need?
20:38<loki_>no
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20:38<loki_>just a tester
20:38<loki_>i just report bugs
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20:38<themill>compaq: assume "yes" and ask your real question.
20:38<compaq>loki_, I can never get testing to boot,
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20:38<loki_>odd
20:38<compaq>I am running sawmill, now known as sawfish desktop
20:39<loki_>and stable does?
20:39<compaq>loki_, yep
20:39<loki_>have you tried a daily repo?
20:39<compaq>loki_, well, I can get it to boot, but not the desktop
20:39<loki_>the alpha1 images are awful
20:39<compaq>loki_, I never heard of this daily vs alpha1
20:39<loki_>oh and i meant daily image **
20:39<cipher>ok i am updating it
20:39<loki_>i'll give you a link
20:39<cipher>shoudl work now
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20:40<loki_>http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/
20:40<loki_>scroll down to where it says daily build
20:40<compaq>loki_, that is testing? You put it together?
20:40<loki_>"If you prefer to use the latest and greatest, either to help us test a future release of the installer or because of hardware problems or other issues, try one of these daily built images which contain the latest available version of installer components. "
20:40<loki_>yes its testing
20:41<loki_>i installed that one today, and dist-upgraded it to testing
20:41<loki_>so it works very well
20:41<loki_>to sid, rather*
20:41<cipher>apt-get works
20:41<cipher>ok
20:41<cipher>thanks
20:41<loki_>its already testing lol
20:41<loki_>cool cipher
20:42<compaq>loki_, well, I have this issue, the I was interesting in running testing. The suspend to ram function doesn't work on stable but does on testing, so how can I pin point the package and install it. Also, keyboard multimedia keys work in gnome, but not in sawfish?
20:42<compaq>Can we work on these things together please?
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20:42<loki_>honestly compaq, just google
20:42<compaq>Actually, mainly, I have this issue with gnome, it goes wild, thats why I am running sawfish, the gnome panel uses up the cpu, I have some apps on their, made it much larger
20:43<compaq>ok, thanks anyway
20:43<loki_>i'm sure there's a fix on the debian forums or somethinf or that
20:43<loki_>gnome is running up your cpu, are you using an old pc?
20:44<compaq>yeah, its only 2ghz, but it ran debian 5 before just fine, it was the kde version though, maybe I should try it again.
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20:44<compaq>I suspect my system is comprimised by abrotman on irc, lol
20:44<cipher>so are they any packages that i should get to get wireless working.
20:44<cipher>i now the card is fine
20:45<abrotman>?
20:45<loki_>cipher, google your card + linux
20:45<loki_>google is your friend
20:45<cipher>ok
20:45<compaq>I read that I should unplug internet during install
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20:46<loki_>how do you unplug a wireless card? :S
20:46<loki_>unless you mean wired..
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20:47<compaq>I found it funny, that the debian reference manual says perl is a security risk and that to be secure you should remove it, but then you could use the package management system. But I thought that was basically what debian does, package management system
20:47<loki_>lol perl is fine
20:47<compaq>Cause the package management requires perl, so you can't use it to be secure
20:47<loki_>exactly
20:47<compaq>loki_, did you read the debian reference manual?
20:48<loki_>yes i've read it, years ago
20:48<themill>compaq: [citation required]
20:48<compaq>themill, ok, give me a couple mins
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20:48<loki_>i don't remember anything about perl being a secuirity risk though
20:48<loki_>source?
20:49<cipher>@loki, i do not have lspci or iwconfig i do not know how to check :(. sorry i feel like a moron.
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20:49<loki_>use apt-get to try and install them and you'll see lol
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20:49<loki_>the wired works now right?
20:49<loki_>it shoudl
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20:49<cipher>i did not found
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20:50<hatoon>serve
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20:57<compaq>How do you setup automounting that is done in gnome for say fluxbox or some other environment
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20:59<billybob>I'm using fluxbox right now, and I have to admit I'm used to manual mounting
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20:59<compaq>me too, but I think it is as easy as apt-get install to have automount
20:59<compaq>billybob, or do you suppose it is a nautilus feature?
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21:00<billybob>maybe so
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21:00<billybob>someone mentioned it before
21:00<themill>!automount
21:00<dpkg>If you're running one of the desktop environments in Debian, then ask me about <gnome-volume-manager>, <kde automount>, or <thunar-volman>. If you want something for the command line, then ask me about <halevt>, <ivman>, or <usb mount>. For a completely different approach to automounting, ask me about <autofs>.
21:00<compaq>the mills, awesome
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21:01<compaq>!multimedia keyboard
21:01<compaq>themill, what about multimedia keyboards?
21:01<compaq>!power-management
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21:02<compaq>be back later, got cook
21:02*cipher is downloading fluxbox :P
21:02<themill>compaq: you can /msg dpkg. in particular, /msg dpkg multimedia keys
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21:03<magikid>Quick question: What is the package Not in sid and why is it 7th place in popcon?
21:03<magikid>source: http://popcon.debian.org/source/by_vote
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21:06<gpm>magikid: interesting, i'm pretty sure it's not a package
21:07<magikid>oh
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21:11<magikid>Any tips on switching from ubuntu?
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21:12<cipher>ok so i got fluxbox, however it cannot connect to xserver. I tried to install x-windows-manager, but it asked me to install a dm or wm. which i have already. (i have googled around for like 10 mins)
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21:14<billybob>magikid: download debian live cd with Gnome or KDE, also get used to moving around in the console
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21:14<billybob>cipher: let me get the order of what I use
21:14<cipher>thanks
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21:15<billybob>I wrote a script to get it started
21:16<cipher>ok
21:16<billybob>It installs fluxbox xserver-xorg xinit
21:16<billybob>sudo apt-get install
21:16<cipher>i got xserv-xorg
21:16<cipher>i just need xinit
21:16<cipher>k
21:16<cipher>thank u
21:16<billybob>with xinit, just startx
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21:16<billybob>welcome
21:17<cipher>it works!
21:17<cipher>:D
21:17<billybob>great
21:17<billybob>:D
21:17<retrospectacus>!congratulate cipher
21:17<dpkg>Huzzah cipher, you did it!
21:17<cipher>:D!
21:18*cipher jumps up and screams
21:18*cipher gets yelled at
21:18<billybob>lol
21:19<cipher>ok so i what are somegood gui package managers?
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21:19<abrotman>synaptic
21:19<abrotman>!tell cipher about search
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21:20<cipher>cipher is lazy
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21:20<abrotman>so we should do your work for you?
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21:30<cipher>i do have one problem
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21:30<cipher>fluxbox will not open anything
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21:30<cipher>like a shell
21:31<cipher>anyway off to google
21:31<cipher>thanks for all the help
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21:34<abrotman>!enter
21:34<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
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21:35<SuperMiguel>whats a light bluetooth program?
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22:01<scientes>how to I get this http://ftp-master.debian.org/new/tomoyo-tools_2.2.0-20100225-1.html ??
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22:02<abrotman>with a browser?
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22:02<cipher>wget? :P
22:03<scientes>i dont see the deb
22:03<scientes>only the vcs
22:04<abrotman>you can't
22:04<cipher>Hey i have been looking all over for help with my fluxbox matter, if anyone feels like lending a hand feel free to pm me or something..
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22:04<scientes>even though its clearly generated
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22:05<scientes>is there a page that describes how "new" packages work?
22:05-!-Bertram [~yohann@ADijon-259-1-35-118.w90-33.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
22:06<abrotman>scientes: people upload to the queue .. you cannot get those packages until they are approved
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22:06<scientes>and who approves them?
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22:07<scientes>its being uploaded by the guy who did the kernel module in mainline....... anyways, anything that describes the process in more detail
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22:08<abrotman>the ftp-master
22:08<abrotman>(s)
22:08<scientes>---/s/did/associated with/
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22:11<scientes>OK
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22:28<mandrake>join ./#debian-sv
22:29<mandrake>join /#debian-sv
22:29<cipher>lol
22:29<cipher>before the join
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22:31<mandrake>#debian-sv
22:31<Dreakon>Hey guys, on windows I used audacity to occasionally rip new songs from MySpace so I'd have lower quality local MP3's to hold myself over until the CD's came out. Is there any way to do that in Audacity for Debian or perhaps other software?
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22:31<cipher>there is a great website for that
22:31<cipher>let me link u
22:32<abrotman>Dreakon: you want a loopback recorder
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22:32<abrotman>i believe mplayer or vlc can do that
22:32<cipher>http://vidtomp3.com/process.php
22:32<cipher>or i can pastebin a script i use
22:32<abrotman>there used to be a package called vsound that did it
22:33<Dreakon>cipher, I don't think the songs I want are on YouTube yet. ;)
22:34<Dreakon>Oh it is lol, id rather rip it myself :P
22:34<Dreakon>abrotman, hmm, is that package still around?
22:34<abrotman>judd: versions vsound
22:34<judd>vsound -- etch: 0.6-4.1
22:34<abrotman>kind of .. but not really
22:34<Dreakon>lol
22:34<Dreakon>good ol etch
22:34<abrotman>Dreakon: i recently saw another program .. something related to jack IIRC
22:35<abrotman>it was a uhm .. RFP
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22:36<Dreakon>RFP?
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22:36<abrotman>http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=580707
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22:38<Dreakon>judd: versions jack_capture
22:38<judd>Sorry, no package named 'jack_capture' was found.
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22:39<abrotman>Dreakon: it's not in debian yet
22:39<abrotman>Dreakon: you can look at mplayer or vlc .. i thought one of them did it
22:40<Dreakon>abrotman, looked through VLC and I couldn't find much. But then again I'm not very well versed with it lol
22:40<abrotman>looks like vlc will let you open a capture device
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22:40<Dreakon>looks like it wants to capture video :-/
22:42<abrotman>mine has an option for ayudio ?
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22:43<Dreakon>It says Audio device name, but I wouldn't know what to put in lol
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22:49<boboysdadda>I can't get synaptic to start any ideas? running squeeze kde4
22:55<mandrake>Do you have installed Adept? Adept is the version of synaptic in kde
22:56<boboysdadda>i've been using kde and it worked then all the sudden it stopped working
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22:58<mandrake>but you've already installed adep. if is it; try a aptitude upgrade as root; maybe a upgrade could be the answer; remenber squeeze is a testing version
22:59<edbian>I want to set up a "media server" that stores a lot of music but shares it with linux and windows pcs but also with an xbox 360. Can this be done? (Obviously I'd like to have the server linux based)
22:59<mandrake>sorry my english is not so good...
22:59<edbian>shares over lan that is
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23:03<mandrake>sure that it is possible, but I have not tried, if you will have the server with any distro gnu / linux you need have Samba installed
23:04<edbian>mandrake, Is there a difference between what I'm calling a "media server" and a samba file server?
23:04<edbian>mandrake, Can a windows machine play music files on a samba share?
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23:06<edbian>Better question: does a system like mediatomb allow the client to decide what is being played or is it more like internet radio in that only the server decides what is being played?
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23:09<mandrake>I am no expert, but I want to share files x distro gnu / linux to windows you need to use Samba
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23:20<Dreakon>Hey guys, if I want to rip music I heard on myspace to MP3 form, whats the best way to go about doing that? :P
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23:20<cipher>google
23:20<cipher>video2mp3
23:21<cipher>Are there any wireless packages i should to install for Debian to get it working. I have went through the packages online and am still unsure. As well as being on google among other things for a couple hours :P
23:22<Dreakon>cipher, It's not a video though. MySpace just plays songs, at least in this case. :)
23:22<Dreakon>I need something that will just record whatever plays through the speakers, if possible.
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23:23<cipher>ohh then i am not sure
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23:23<cipher>Dreakon any ideas on my wireless issue?
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23:24<Dreakon>Not really, the debian testing netinst just came with the packages I needed for wireless...
23:28<cipher>is there a way to check if i have them?
23:28<cipher>apt-get install netinst didnt turn anything up
23:28<gsimmons>cipher: What wireless LAN device do you have, exactly?
23:28<cipher>i am unable to check as i dont have iwconfig among other things
23:29<cipher>i will try to get lscpi
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23:30<cipher>gsimmons: is there any other way i can check
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23:35<gsimmons>dpkg: tell cipher -about what's my wireless
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