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#debian IRC Logs for 2010-05-30

---Logopened Sun May 30 00:00:08 2010
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01:39<fluffyninjakitten>hello?
01:39<fluffyninjakitten>does this thing work?
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02:08<Web-sidux405>hi everybody,
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02:09<Web-sidux405>i need an light pdf viewer
02:09<Web-sidux405>what do you recomends ?
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02:10<musca>are you using kde or xfce?
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02:27<Efreak>lols
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03:20<antonio>ciao a tutti
03:21<antonio>!list
03:21<dpkg>antonio: VATTENE VIA
03:21<antonio>perche
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03:33<engine64>hi all, any asterisk user here? I was wondering if you can help me to troubleshoot E1 connection. thanks
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03:37<Tuplad>where can I download restricted media codecs like gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly-multiverse ? I can't find it anywhere :o
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03:39<engine64>Tuplad: add to your sources.list
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03:39<Tuplad>engine64: add what?
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03:49<knoppix_>hali
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04:16<fava>ciao
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04:24<ngine>hi
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04:26<mansi>hey friends.i upgrade lenny yesterday using apt-get update and apt-get upgrade
04:26<mansi>kernel was also updated
04:26<mansi>but now system is not booting
04:27<mansi>grub error: 18
04:27<mansi>my laptop is compaq CQ40
04:27<mansi>grub error showing: selected cylinder exceeds maximum supported by bios
04:27<mansi>any idea how to solve?
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04:46<zigo>mansi: You should create a very small partition /boot at the beginning of your disk, so you can boot from it.
04:47<zigo>You can do this using gparted: on their site, they have a bootable live CD to do this without any operating system installed on your computer.
04:47<zigo>Alternatively, you can use Lenny Live...
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04:47<zigo>Then, create that new partition, copy all what's in your /boot in it, then boot from there ...
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04:48<zigo>BTW, this shouldn't have happen if it used to boot from it before in Etch.
04:49<zigo>mansi: How big is your HDD? How far is your boot partition from the beginning of the HDD?
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04:59<mihkel>Hi. Any emacs users here? I have a problem with load path (~/.emacs.d/site-lisp)
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05:00<mihkel>I have #
05:00<mihkel>(add-to-list 'load-path "/home/mihkel/emacs.d/site-lisp")
05:00<mihkel>in my init.el, but files in that direcotry won't load
05:00*mihkel tries to setup po-mode+.el
05:01<mihkel>my init.el file http://pastebin.com/RK6ntxhc
05:04<mihkel>when I do M-x po-mode, I get: call-interactively: Cannot open load file: po-mode+
05:10<wvsfxr>Hi, my microphone works perfectly with Audacity but not with skype. Can anybody help me or tell me were to find help?
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05:26<K0JIbKA>wvsfxr:play with recording and volume levels in audio mixer.
05:28<wvsfxr>K0JIbKA: I did, and now I hear something, but very silent.
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07:06<locklace>dpkg: qotd0
07:06<dpkg><bja> deniz: take it easy on sudo, it looks like you are using ubuntu
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07:08<mjk>Is there a software that allows a bunch of PC (same architectures) to be accessed as 1 multi-core PC without changes to the applications?
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07:09<valdyn>mjk: various
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07:09<mjk>valdyn: Really? Which ones?
07:09<valdyn>mjk: google!
07:10<mjk>I only know PVM, and that seems to need the clients specifically written for it ...
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07:10<valdyn>mjk: as networks are orders of magnitudes slower than on board links that does make sense, duh
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07:12<mjk>valdyn: If it's something very CPU power dependent, but with only small amounts data, the multi-core/cpu view could make sense, I think ...
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07:16<usuario>ola
07:16<mjk>hi
07:16<usuario>olaa como
07:16<locklace>!es-social usuario
07:16<dpkg>usuario: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador por favor ingresa al canal social de #debian-es con /join #debian-es-cachondeo. Tus amigos probablemente ya esten ahi.
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07:18<usuario>no me escribas mas para escribirme numeros me despido adios
07:19<usuario>usuario
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07:21<valdyn>mjk: I didnt properly read your question - without changes to the application this totally makes no sense
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07:22<mjk>valdyn: Even if an application is very CPU intensive per data packet? (so that network speed doesn't have such an impact)
07:23<valdyn>mjk: assume its cpu intensive, so it has for example a for loop, right?
07:23<mjk>valdyn: Yeah
07:23<valdyn>mjk: that loops counter is stored in memory that is shared between threads
07:23<mjk>valdyn: Oh feck ...
07:24<mjk>Damn.
07:24<mjk>*thinking*
07:25<valdyn>mjk: many real world "clustering" candidates already have special versions
07:25<valdyn>mjk: like gcc has a solution for itself
07:26<mjk>hmm ...
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07:27<valdyn>mjk: as does apache
07:27<Ikarus>well, clustering gcc is just a case of sharing the filesystem, setting gcc up to use temp files and then wrapping gcc in a little wrapper which looks at the load on individual machines and dispatching appropriatly (semi-standard tools exist for it)
07:28<valdyn>im talking about distcc
07:28<Ikarus>valdyn: distcc is a luxury :P
07:28<mjk>valdyn: Wow, distcc looks nice, thanks!
07:29<Ikarus>writing such a clustering setup yourself, esp for something simple like gcc or povray is good practice
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07:51<bechampy>hi there
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07:59<bechampy>i am trying to chainload grub2 to a different harddisk, this harddisk has gpt instead of a MBR. I can boot the gpt hd directly from the bios but not by chainloading grub2 to (hd5). Anybody got a suggestion?
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08:00<Jarlaxe>allo everybody ! does someone have the use of screen ? I have a question. i'm logged with several screen on a terminal. I want to keep them by throwing them on a remote term. before reboot the local term. by detaching them. And then, after have boot with the local one, reattach the screen from the remote one. I know it's possible from a remote one to a terminal. DO you have an idea ?
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08:20<alezz>Hello
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08:20<alezz>?
08:20<locklace>!tell alezz about ask
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08:20<alezz>what?
08:21<alezz>l
08:22<alezz>Locklace??
08:22<alezz>What is this?
08:23<alezz>This "chat"
08:23<locklace>!irc
08:23<dpkg>IRC is Internet Relay Chat, the means to provide #debian to its patrons. Official Debian IRC channels: http://wiki.debian.org/IRC . Please read http://wiki.debian.org/GettingHelpOnIrc . Ask me about <irc tutorial> and <faq>. See also <debstats> and <irclog>.
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08:44<hl>hi all! I have some problems with wicd and the wireless... I can't understand very well where's the problem...
08:44<hl>here a pastebin with some tests...
08:45<hl>http://pastebin.com/qE6SstCW
08:45<hl>(iwconfig , lshw -C network ...)
08:47<davi>For all those ones interested in KDE 3.5.10 on squeeze see this package repository and installation guide
08:47<davi> http://techpatterns.com/forums/about1450.html
08:47<davi>KDE 3.5.10 rocks
08:47<gsimmons>dpkg: tell hl -about ralink firmware
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08:49<hl>uhm... so Is better to upgrade to testing?
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08:49<gsimmons>hl: No, you're just missing firmware required by the rt61pci driver. Read the private message from dpkg.
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08:51<hl>ok, thanks... I found the package
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09:08<chl1>what is the package name for ps2pdf in debian squeeze?
09:08<chl1>i check with aptitude and seemingly the package name ps2pdf is no longer available.
09:10<petemc>usr/bin/ps2pdf is in ghostscript
09:10<petemc>in lenny anyways
09:13<chl1>petemc: i found it.
09:13<chl1>thank you very much.
09:13<petemc>np
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10:20<Parsifal>425?
10:20<Parsifal>That's low.
10:20<Parsifal>also I'm drunk.
10:20<Parsifal>Ignore me.
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10:23<sparky4_>xD
10:24<sparky4_>quad computers
10:24<icebrain>!confuse sparky4_
10:24<dpkg>No, how was their mushroom tomorrow, sparky4_? Wellies of the Monarchy of Mongolia with extra anchovies.
10:25<sparky4_>????
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10:28<Ikarus>icebrain: it seems to work :)
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10:31<sparky4_>will the etch respratory remain?
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10:32<sparky4_>because lenny has no floppy disk install
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10:32<sparky4_>I am running Debian on a system with 32MB of ram
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10:34<icebrain>sparky4_: why don't you use netboot?
10:35<icebrain>!netboot
10:35<dpkg>it has been said that netboot is a Debian installation method involving the use of TFTP and DHCP (or BOOTP, RARP) servers, to provide installation media to clients on a local network. Not recommended for novice users, ask me about <netinst> instead. See also <install guide>, <netboot miniiso>, <installer firmware>, <open firmware>.
10:35<sparky4_>icebrain: this lappy has no native ethernet port
10:35<sparky4_>this is a NEC VERSA 6060
10:35<sparky4_>WITH A Pentium 1 with MMX
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10:38<locklace>so go get an old ethernet card and put it in
10:38<icebrain>sparky4_: I think the current kernel is too big for a floppy
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10:38<sparky4_>icebrain: .... WHAT?
10:38<sparky4_>well canit retrive the kernel from the internet?
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10:39<icebrain>sparky4_: that's PXE...
10:39<sparky4_>PXE?
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10:39<icebrain>netboot
10:40<sparky4_>icebrain: netboot with a floppy disk?
10:40<sparky4_>image?
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10:41<icebrain>gpxe, possibly? I've never needed it, my P3 laptop has builtin pxe support
10:42<icebrain>!gpxe
10:42<dpkg>gPXE (formerly Etherboot) is an open-source network bootloader. It implements <PXE> and extends it with additional protocols and features (e.g. booting from HTTP instead of TFTP). Bootable gPXE floppy, CD and USB images can be built from the source code tree. To generate NIC ROMs online, ask me about <rom-o-matic>. http://etherboot.org/wiki/howtos http://etherboot.org/ #etherboot on irc.freenode.net. ITP filed in Debian bug #474034.
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10:44<Amos>Hello. I have resolver behavior problems/questions .... http://pastebin.com/rKvbz9Na
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11:05<Boxici>i just installed backtrack 4 final, and i try to configure my wireless network but i don't know how. i tried some tutorials but it think i managed to ruin everything
11:05<Boxici>can someon please help me...
11:06<locklace>!backtrack
11:06<dpkg>BackTrack is not Debian and is not supported in #debian (ask me about <based on debian>). Try http://www.backtrack-linux.org/ or #backtrack-linux on irc.freenode.net instead. BackTrack is a Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu>Intrepid (as of BackTrack 4), previously <SLAX>. Derived from merging two penetration-testing distributions: WHAX (formerly WHOPPIX) and Auditor Security Linux.
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11:06<Boxici>so where can i ask for help?
11:06<locklace>...
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11:07<nosbig>I upgraded amarok to 2.3.0 in testing and am using pulseaudio... Audio works fine for mplayer, rhythmbox, and other apps, but Amarok will not play any audio. I am trying to play FLAC, OGG, and MP3 files. The progress meter moves appropriately, but no audio is sent to the sound chip. I have already checked the Phonon setup via Amarok's menus and PulseAudio is the only device listed.
11:07<Amos>Boxici: #backtrack-linux on irc.freenode.net
11:07<nosbig>Any ideas where I should look to fix?
11:08<Boxici>Amos i don't know how to connect to irc.freenode.net
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11:09<themill>Boxici: it's listed as "Ubuntu Servers" in XChat.
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11:09<Boxici>themill thank you i will look for it...
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11:28<grummund>if user is a member of group 'staff', which directory mode flags need to be set to allow user to create a sub-directory?
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11:28<grummund>drwxr-sr-x 3 root staff 4096 2006-07-04 01:37 .
11:28<grummund>$ mkdir foo
11:28<grummund>mkdir: cannot create directory `foo': Permission denied
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11:30<locklace>grummund: g+w
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11:34<grummund>locklace: thanks :)
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12:03<pan>ciao
12:03<pan>!list
12:03<dpkg>pan: VATTENE VIA
12:04-!-pan is now known as Guest265
12:04<lili_>How to enable chinese character in terminal window..I mean in w3m??
12:04<Guest265>!listù
12:04<Guest265>!list
12:04<dpkg>guest265: VATTENE VIA
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12:05<lili_>someone help...
12:05<lili_>Any idea??
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12:06<lili_>My debian right now is English-version..
12:07<lili_>en_US.UTF-8
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12:31<ussaine>hello
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12:33<cesurasean>what is the package name for glib under squeeze?
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12:36<cesurasean>anyone?
12:37<locklace>!fgi cesurasean debian-squeeze-glib
12:37<dpkg>cesurasean: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=debian-squeeze-glib
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12:50<cesurasean>configure: error: glib not found or too old
12:51<cesurasean>how can I fix this? what is the newest glib package's name?
12:51<cesurasean>im not even sure if i have glib installed or not...
12:52<petemc>cesurasean: you probably want libglib2.0-dev
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12:52<petemc>when compiling something, you generally need the -dev packages
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13:00<Loceka>hello :)
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13:01<ir0n>hi
13:01<ir0n>allo
13:01<Loceka>dites, j'aurais une petite question :
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13:01<Loceka> Comment faire (sous Debian) pour exécuter un script au login mais _après_ l'affichage du bureau ?
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13:02<ir0n>jai un probleme avec squeeze, mon clavier/souris usb sans-fils ne fonctionne soudainement pu
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13:02<locklace>!fr
13:02<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur irc.oftc.net. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.oftc.net.
13:03<ir0n>merci
13:03<Loceka>ok sorry, I was mistaken
13:03<Loceka>I'd like to execute a script at logon but only after gdm is launched
13:03<Loceka>how to do that ?
13:04<Loceka>in fact the script contains pop-up windows so that it fails when launched from .profile
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13:06<hshsurer>hola
13:06<hshsurer>estais ay??
13:06<Loceka>!es
13:06<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat
13:06<hshsurer>es YES
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13:10<cesurasean>petemc, thx
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13:32<boboysdadda>I'm running Squeeze kde4 and kpackagemanager hasn't been working kept saying unmanaged. and then i plugged in an ethernet cable and everything went back to working. does anyone have any idea whats causing this?
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13:35<boboysdadda>when i pkilled it it said something about not being able to find the .so file for it. but i verified that it was there.
13:35<boboysdadda>sorry i pkilled knetworkmanager then restarted it in term
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13:37<ryan22>boboysdadda: this works for debian too http://linuxers.org/article/network-manager-says-device-unmanaged-ubuntu
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13:38<ryan22>you need to tell network manger to manage the ethernet connection
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13:39<ryan22>boboysdadda: here's a better debian specfic guide: http://wiki.debian.org/NetworkManager
13:39<boboysdadda>ryan22, ty
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13:40<ryan22>boboysdadda: no prob
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13:41<DavidPixel>Trying to edit /etc/apt/sources.list so I can install VirtualBox but I'm getting a permissions error. How can I edit it?
13:41<DavidPixel>Also, Sources List from the Applications menu won't open - the mouse turns into the "loading" icon, then disappears.
13:41<boboysdadda>DavidPixel, go root in term then nano /etc/apt/sources.list
13:41<ryan22>DavidPizel: are you superuser or editing it using sudo?
13:42<ryan22>*DavidPixel :P
13:42<DavidPixel>boboysdadda/ryan22: Thanks, boboy's sugg. worked.
13:42<DavidPixel>Thank you. @
13:42<boboysdadda>np
13:43<boboysdadda>yay first time my noob a$$ had an answer in here
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13:43<DavidPixel>> If it hasn't, 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list.
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13:43<DavidPixel>deb-src ...
13:43<DavidPixel>I added it and I get an error
13:44<DavidPixel>E: Malformed line 15 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list (dist)
13:44<boboysdadda>whats the entire line?
13:44<DavidPixel>deb-src ...
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13:44<DavidPixel>the dpkg bot said that's what i should write
13:44<DavidPixel>I believe
13:44<boboysdadda>because thats not a complete line
13:44<DavidPixel>derp
13:44<DavidPixel>what should the line be? :(
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13:44<ryan22>DavidPixel: run synaptic as a superuser via the terminal and add it to the sources there
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13:44<boboysdadda>u need deb-src Httpaddress release
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13:45<boboysdadda>then one last little thing i'm brainfarting on one sec
13:45<DavidPixel>boboysdadda: What's the Squeeze "line"
13:45<DavidPixel>For sources?
13:45<dominique>hi! is there a utility in the debian utility that i can use to monitor my everyday household expenses? if so, what is it?
13:45<ryan22>DavidPixel: synaptic should tell you right away if the source youre adding is incorrect
13:45<dominique>hi! is there a utility in the debian dvd that i can use to monitor my everyday household expenses? if so, what is it?
13:46<boboysdadda>DavidPixel, it should look like this deb http://www.backports.org/debian/ lenny-backports main
13:46<DavidPixel>ryan22: Do I just type "synaptic"?
13:46<boboysdadda>except u are using the deb-src
13:46<DavidPixel>The package I want isn't in backports
13:46<DavidPixel>apparently
13:46<DavidPixel>Squeeze is a diff. source?
13:46<boboysdadda>that was just an example of how your line should be formatted
13:46<DavidPixel>oh, okay
13:46<boboysdadda>yes squeeze is the testing distro of linux
13:47<boboysdadda>of debian sorry
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13:47<ryan22>DviadPixel: when in root yes, just type in synaptic. go to settings -> repositories and then go to the 2nd tab (i believe its called "sources")
13:47<boboysdadda>if u are using lenny then lenny should replace squeeze
13:47<ryan22>*DavidPixel
13:47<DavidPixel>synaptic gives me an error
13:47<DavidPixel>bedroom:~# synaptic
13:48<DavidPixel>(synaptic:4349): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display:
13:48<boboysdadda>what is the repo u are trying to add?
13:48<DavidPixel>I just did apt-get synaptic
13:48<DavidPixel>204 upgraded, 233 newly installed, 71 to remove and 610 not upgraded.
13:48<DavidPixel>Need to get 425MB of archives.
13:48<DavidPixel>After this operation, 257MB of additional disk space will be used.
13:48<DavidPixel>should I continue?
13:48<ryan22>DavidPixel: ah youre not in X11, ignore my suggestion then
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13:48<DavidPixel>bobysdadda: Squeeze, I believe - I've been fiddling for so long I am confused
13:48<DavidPixel>I have about 50 different windows open
13:48<DavidPixel>I just want virtualbox damnit
13:48<boboysdadda>if u want to install synaptic then yes
13:49<boboysdadda>virtualbox can be a pain
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13:49<boboysdadda>other than adding a repo i can't help u with it since i've never tried
13:49<DavidPixel>Is there a good VirtualBox alternative?
13:49<boboysdadda>are u looking to run windows apps?
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13:49<ryan22>DavidPixel: vmwareplayer is better
13:50<DavidPixel>Yes, but WINE won't work v. well with what I am trying to run.
13:50<boboysdadda>oh ok
13:50<DavidPixel>ryan22: Will take a look, thanks.
13:50<ryan22>vmware player is not OSS though
13:50<DavidPixel>Is that an issue or is it a moral thing?
13:50<ryan22>moral mostly ;)
13:50<DavidPixel>Good. I don't care about OSS, no offense.
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13:50<ryan22>lol
13:51<DavidPixel>I only just switched - limiting myself to OSS-compliant/completely free stuff isn't a good idea IMO.
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13:51<DavidPixel>Windows user for my whole life.
13:51<ryan22>the platform should be free and open, but the apps, meh
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13:52<ryan22>we can always make free and open apps to replace the closed ones on a open platform :P
13:52<DavidPixel>I was tempted to return to Windows but I figured if I fix it, the accomplishment will last.
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13:52<DavidPixel>+ it's a learning exp.
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13:52<ryan22>are you using a windows manger atm
13:53<ryan22>*window
13:53<ryan22>like KDE, GNOME or xfce
13:53<craigevil>DavidPixel: take a look at http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Linux_Downloads
13:53<DavidPixel>ryan22: GNOME - I will switch to Xfce when I get confident.
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13:53<DavidPixel>craigevil: I'm using the Debian AMD64 one right now. Lenny.
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13:54<ryan22>cool then ya type in "aptitude install synaptic" as root
13:54<ryan22>and install synaptic
13:54<DavidPixel>installing it now
13:54<DavidPixel>255mb+ DL
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13:54<ryan22>always use aptitude instead of apt-get
13:54<DavidPixel>I will remember that, but why?
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13:54<ryan22>aptitude removes depenencies when you remove a package
13:54<ryan22>and has better dependency resolution
13:55<ryan22>you use aptitude the same way you use apt-get, ex. "aptitude install foo"
13:55<DavidPixel>Oh, okay. Thank you.
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13:56<ryan22>btw try xfce. it's actually easier to use than gnome ;)
13:56<DavidPixel>I've been using apt-get autoremove to get rid of old packages.
13:56<DavidPixel>I have it installed, I will switch later.
13:56<ryan22>ya aptitude does that for you
13:56<DavidPixel>And I'll remove GNOME if after I get confident.
13:56<DavidPixel>Oh, awesome.
13:56<DavidPixel>Fetched 425MB in 6min59s (1015kB/s)
13:56<DavidPixel>:3
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13:58<ryan22>the thing to rember about xfce is everything is modular and customizable. so if you dont like the default interface, you can very easily change it
13:58<ryan22>and the default interface in debian is very meh
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14:00<DavidPixel>ryan22: I didn't install Xfce because I was scared it would have different network management packages and with my terrible card I didn't want to risk it.
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14:02<ryan22>DavidPixel: xfce integrates with the gnome utilies very well. i just use network manager
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14:03<DavidPixel>ryan22: What's Xfce's default network manager and does it support WLAN (sorry if I sound silly - as I said I'm new).
14:03<DavidPixel>And thanks for the help.
14:03<ryan22>DavidPixel: we all have to start somewhere ;). it doesnt really have one, someuse wicd and others use networkmanager
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14:03<ryan22>networkmanager is easier imo
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14:04<DavidPixel>ryan22: As long as it works and I can figure out how to set it up again if I ever re-install Debian (not that I have to do that very often) I'm happy.
14:04<DavidPixel>I'd hate to get it how I like it and then forget how I got it like that.
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14:04<ryan22>ya i would stick with network manager
14:05<DavidPixel>Will do.
14:05<ryan22>btw these skills you're learning work with ubuntu too. debian and ubuntu are practically the same distro
14:05<DavidPixel>ryan22: I don't want to use Ubuntu. Not having a go, just saying.
14:05<DavidPixel>It's too easy.
14:05<ryan22>just ubuntu is semi-annual fork of debian unstable and a bit more stable
14:05<DavidPixel>I used it for a while and learnt very little.
14:06<DavidPixel>Not to mention it comes with tonnes of social-networking hipster crap and is bloated.
14:06<ryan22>you can install ubuntu from scratch just like debian too if you want using the minimal installer
14:06<ryan22>thats mostly cuz of their implemention of gnome
14:06<ryan22>ubuntu does not really have a purpose. its a millionaires toy
14:07<DavidPixel>Debian is stable, works perfectly and gives me something to do. Not to mention I don't want to fork up £60+ for Windows.
14:07<ryan22>most of the ubuntu ulties are in debian as well too. you get have to figure out the package names ;)
14:07<ryan22>*just
14:07<DavidPixel>ryan22: Is there a package list command for terminal?
14:07<ryan22>yes
14:07<ryan22>aptitude can do that
14:08<ryan22>i usually use "aptitude search foo"
14:08<DavidPixel>ryan22: How long have you been using Debian?
14:09<ryan22>i use a variant of Ubuntu that i created
14:09<old>Or `apt-cache search foo`.
14:09<ryan22>but its all the same
14:09<DavidPixel>Nice.
14:09<DavidPixel>WELL
14:09<DavidPixel>500mb later
14:09<DavidPixel>and the command i had to use works
14:09<DavidPixel>awesome
14:10<DavidPixel>and now virtualbox works
14:10<DavidPixel>thanks #debian
14:10<ryan22>aptitude is your friend
14:10<DavidPixel>ryan22: I'll use it from now on. ;)
14:10<ryan22>"the debian way" is the package manager
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14:12<ryan22>btw my varient is called infinityOS in case youre interested ;)
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14:12<DavidPixel>ryan22: Reading your site now.
14:15<DavidPixel>ryan22: Just donated $5 cad to say thanks
14:15<ryan22>DavidPixel: thanks :P
14:15<DavidPixel>:)
14:15<DavidPixel>np
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14:18<cesurasean>i can ping my own machine, but cannot ping it from another machine. anyone?
14:19<cesurasean>destination host unreachable
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14:19<ryan22>type in ifconfig, does it have an ip?
14:20<cesurasean>yes
14:20<cesurasean>im able to ping the ip just fine, but both machines can't ping each other for some reason
14:21<ryan22>connected to the same and router and on the same subnet?
14:21<cesurasean>yes
14:21<cesurasean>they were working before, but not now
14:22<ryan22>hmm
14:22<ryan22>did you try restarting?
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14:23<cesurasean>no, i just turned these machines on
14:23<ryan22>did you try pinging google.com
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14:26<cesurasean>pinging google works fine
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14:26<ryan22>cesurasean: sorry about the basic questions, but often with these problems a cable has come loose or something
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14:27<cesurasean>i have 2 networks attached to these machines
14:27<cesurasean>i have two networks
14:27<cesurasean>the first network seems fine, but the 2nd one doesnt seem to respond on any of the machines
14:28<cesurasean>could that be confusing the machine?
14:28<ryan22>im sorry then, this is outside my knowledge
14:28<ryan22>but what do you mean by two networks. two routers?
14:30<cesurasean>two switches
14:30<cesurasean>two ethernet per machine
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14:30<ryan22>how many dhcp servers
14:30<ryan22>and dns gateways
14:31<ryan22>if theyre on the same same subnet, you never want two dhcp servers running
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14:35<cesurasean>the one network is connected to the internet, the other is not
14:36<cesurasean>the internal one im trying to use can't ping anything by the computers themselves. they can't ping each other....
14:36<cesurasean>ive reset the switch, everything
14:37<ryan22>im sorry then this outside my area of knowledge, ive only dealt with single networks that are exposed to the internet
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14:39<ryan22>try setting a static ip though for the 2nd computer. that way you wont need to rely on a dhcp server on the internel network
14:39<ryan22>as long as the 2nd computer is connected to the 1st using ethernet, you should have no problems connecting if you use static ips
14:40<cesurasean>i dont use dhcp
14:40<cesurasean>they were all set static, but stopped working
14:40<cesurasean>i didn't touch anything either
14:40<ryan22>are you sure the two are connected phyically, like a cable hasnt come loose
14:41<ryan22>cuz if they both have static ips, there should to confuse them
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14:41<ryan22>*nothing
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14:45<cesurasean>no cable has come loose
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14:45<cesurasean>ok?
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14:45<ryan22>ya im sorry i cant help you
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14:50<cesurasean>can someone please help me out? i cann't seem to ping any computers on my switch. they are able to ping themselves just fine though. no firewall that i can think of, either.
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14:51<Ali>holaaa
14:51<cesurasean>im getting a "destination host unreachable"
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14:52<locklace>!es-social Ali
14:52<dpkg>Ali: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador por favor ingresa al canal social de #debian-es con /join #debian-es-cachondeo. Tus amigos probablemente ya esten ahi.
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14:55<rolnikov>hi
14:56<rolnikov>hi, i have a question
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14:56<rolnikov>if I have a downloaded from www.kernel.org kernel 2.6.34
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14:57<rolnikov>whether i have to install linux-hedears-2.6.34 also ?
14:57<rolnikov>does kernel source include all i need from this package ?
14:58<old>rolnikov: Only if you want to compile a kernel module.
14:59<rolnikov>no, i want to compile vmware module
14:59<rolnikov>so , i have to install package ?
15:00<old>rolnikov: And even if you want to compile a module I think you don't need headers if you do have sources already.
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15:01<rolnikov>mhm, so i get this: "The directory of kernel headers (version @@VMWARE@@ UTS_RELEASE) does not match
15:01<rolnikov>your running kernel (version 2.6.34)"
15:01<rolnikov>i found a solution.
15:01<Jarlaxe>sc ? timux ? ibus ? hi guys. could you help me on this point ? i want to install sc, timux and ibus. They suppose to be in the sources. But aptitude (apt-get neither) can't find them ! I paste here my sources.list ... what can you say about this ? http://paste2.org/p/858079
15:02<rolnikov>i have to add proper line to /usr/src/linux/include/linux/utsrelease.h
15:02<rolnikov>but i do not have such file
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15:03<rolnikov>/usr/src/linux/ is directory with kernel source
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15:03<florian_hilfe>hallo zusammen
15:04<florian_hilfe>ich brauch hilfe beim mounten von einer alten hdd (ext3)
15:04<florian_hilfe>ich kann sie mounten als root
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15:04<florian_hilfe> mount /dev/sda2 /media/disk
15:04<cesurasean>can someone please help me out? i cann't seem to ping any computers on my switch. they are able to ping themselves just fine though. no firewall that i can think of, either.
15:04<florian_hilfe>jedoch würde ich sie gerne als ein bestimmter user mounten
15:04<cesurasean>can someone please help me out? i cann't seem to ping any computers on my switch. they are able to ping themselves just fine though. no firewall that i can think of, either.
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15:08<grimnar>How can I force a disk to be /dev/sde when it really wants to be something different?
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15:11<petemc>cesurasean: what happens when you try?
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15:14<cesurasean>petemc, destination host unreachable
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15:15<DavidPixel>So, after installing various things for Xfce/GNOME/VirtualBox my Debian Lenny gives me an error saying X server can't be found/executed.
15:15<DavidPixel>As in, no GNOME, etc.
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15:16<heffay>I'm having a really weird problem. My system's performance is really choppy. When I try to move my mouse it stops then goes, stops then goes. TOP is showing a load average (single core) of over 1.0 but the system is at idle. I've erased the disk, formatted it and reinstalled the system and the problem persists.
15:16<ryan22>DavidPixel: did you remove anything?
15:16<petemc>cesurasean: can you ping the gateway?
15:17<DavidPixel>ryan22: No. I am typing the error up into pastebin - 1 sec.
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15:17<cesurasean>petemc, there is no gateway setup.
15:17<cesurasean>just address, netmask, broacast, and network
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15:18<petemc>cesurasean: is the link up?
15:18<cesurasean>yes
15:18<petemc>how did you confirm this?
15:18<cesurasean>how should i confirm it?
15:18<DavidPixel>ryan22: http://pastebin.com/QB6eQ0RT
15:18<cesurasean>ifconfig shows it on there
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15:18<cesurasean>not sure if it's "up"
15:18<heffay>i dont even know where to begin troubleshooting
15:19<petemc>cesurasean: check dmesg
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15:19<DavidPixel>"The X server is now disabled. Restart GDM when it is configured correctly."
15:19<cesurasean>how do i check dmesg?
15:19<DavidPixel>What/how do I configure to what?
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15:19<petemc>try and figure it out yourself
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15:20<DavidPixel>I did some Googling but it was all French sites with no help.
15:20<ryan22>DavidPixel: try "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"
15:20<cesurasean>petemc, there is a lot about tulip_stop_rxtx here...
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15:20<cesurasean>nothing about eth1 being operational
15:21<DavidPixel>ryan22: The jist of the error that appeared when I typed that was "xserver-xorg is broken or not fully installed"
15:21<DavidPixel>to my knowledge I didn't remove anything - only added
15:21<petemc>cesurasean: if you're near the machine, remove the cable for a second then replug it, check dmesg again
15:21<DavidPixel>Last thing I did was the synaptic stuff/vbox driver install.
15:21<heffay>how can i figure out what is creating a cpu load?
15:22<ryan22>DavidPixel: try "aptitude reinstall xserver-xorg"
15:22<ryan22>heffay: try htop
15:22<old>heffay: `top`.
15:22<DavidPixel>ryan22: Okay, thanks.
15:22<cesurasean>petemc, dmesg does not show link active
15:23<petemc>then its not going to work
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15:23<cesurasean>how do i get it to work?
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15:23<petemc>depends whats wrong with it
15:23<heffay>i already posted that ive done that. it indicates a load of over 1.0 constatntly but none of the processes are using more than 1% cpu
15:23<DavidPixel>ryan22: It's telling me 829MB will be freed - and it looks like there's a whole lot of s**t there. Stuff like... "media-player-info{u}" "xbk-data{u}" "unzip{u}" "python-gtkhtml2{u}"
15:23<DavidPixel>Should I do it?
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15:23<cesurasean>petemc, i have more than one machine that is not working
15:24<cesurasean>not just 1
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15:24<petemc>could be the switch
15:24<ryan22>DavidPixel: nope
15:24<petemc>try connecting two machines directly, assuming at least one has a gigabit interface, or you have a crossover cable
15:24<ryan22>umm try "aptitude reinstall xfce4"
15:24<DavidPixel>ryan22: Cancelled it. Now what?
15:24<DavidPixel>ok
15:24<DavidPixel>ryan22: Exact same message.
15:25<cesurasean>i don't have any crossover cables. :(
15:25<ryan22>one sec
15:25<DavidPixel>Okay, thanks.
15:25<petemc>cesurasean: do any have gigabit interfaces, or 10/100 that does auto x over
15:25<ryan22>cesurasean: a reg ethernet cable should work on new macines
15:26<ryan22>DavidPixel: try "dpkg --configure -a"
15:26<DavidPixel>ryan22: I did it, no messages appear but it may have some something.
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15:26<cesurasean>im just going to scrap this and pull the ethernet since it's not really needed
15:26<cesurasean>thanks anyways guys
15:27<ryan22>no prob
15:27<cesurasean>ill implement another day, maybe
15:27<DavidPixel>Sorry you couldn't get it fixed cesurasean
15:27<ryan22>ya try just connecting via a straight ethernet
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15:28<ryan22>if it the one machine just needs to be connected to another, a straight cable will do fine (if it supports auto which it should if it was made in the last 5 years)
15:28<ryan22>no need for a switch
15:29<DavidPixel>ryan22: Assuming I have messed it up, when I installed I specified to use a sep. /home partition ~ would re-installing debian allow me to keep this partition intact so I don't lose my pictures/music etc.?
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15:29<ryan22>DavidPixel: yes if the home parttion is a separate partition
15:29<ryan22>DavidPixel: give your user a different name though to avoid issues
15:31<heffay>anyone?
15:32<ryan22>heffay: load doesnt mean what you think it does. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Load_(computing)
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15:32<heffay>what do i think it means?
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15:32<heffay>im trying to find out why my performance sucks
15:32<ryan22>its just of a measure if processes need to wait to get acess to the cpu
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15:33<heffay>i understand that
15:33<ryan22>a load of 1.0 is normal with a sing core cpu
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15:33<heffay>but at idle, load should not be 1.0
15:33<heffay>at idle??
15:33<heffay>not really
15:33<ryan22>what do you have running
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15:33<ryan22>i would check to see what is using the most ram
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15:34<heffay>other than kdm and xorg, nothing
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15:34<heffay>im not even logged into my desktop
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15:35<ryan22>it could also be a driver
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15:35<heffay>root and xorg are using equal ammounts of ram
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15:35<ryan22>try htop
15:35<heffay>they are using the most at 4.5%
15:35<ryan22>its more excat
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15:35<heffay>htop is not found, i guess ill have to install it
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15:37<heffay>what am i looking for with htop?
15:37<heffay>looks like all the same info
15:37<ryan22>you can sort processes by ram or cpu usage
15:37<ryan22>look for anything wierd
15:37<heffay>nothing is weird
15:37<heffay>thats the thing
15:37<heffay>everything looks normal for idle
15:37<ryan22>whats the cpu?
15:37<DavidPixel>I plugged the ethernet in and am installng xserver-xorg
15:37<DavidPixel>should work
15:38<heffay>@3%
15:38<heffay>total
15:38<astae>heffay: in that case you have probably an rootkit
15:38<ryan22>whats the cpu model
15:38<heffay>athlon64 3700+
15:38<heffay>rootkit?
15:38<astae>why not
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15:39<astae>rootkits proceses aren't shown by top
15:39<ryan22>this is a long shot, but maybe the cpu throttling
15:39<ryan22>astae: he reinstalled
15:39<heffay>this is a clean install
15:39<DavidPixel>ryan22: ITS FIXED!!!
15:39<DavidPixel>thanks _again_!
15:39<ryan22>no prob
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15:40<ryan22>be careful when removing packages
15:40<heffay>i considered that but throttling wont exhibit this behavior
15:40<astae>in that case ....... no rootkit
15:40<ryan22>heffay: try installing cpudyn
15:40<ryan22>its a better throttler
15:40<heffay>when i move my mouse say, its not smooth. it stops and goes
15:40<ryan22>and check your heat usage
15:40<heffay>heat is fine
15:40<heffay>all that stuff is fine
15:41<heffay>cpu is running at full speed
15:41<ryan22>try "aptitude install cpudyn"
15:41<ryan22>its better than the kernel power governor
15:41<ryan22>also whats your grphics card?
15:42<emopart>nvidia!
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15:42<heffay>i really dont think thats the issue. the system was performing fine yesterday then suddenly started doing this. even after a reinstall the problem persists.
15:42<heffay>8600gt
15:42<ryan22>try installing the binary driver
15:42<ryan22>this is definately a hardware problem then if it perstists after a reinstall
15:42<heffay>from nvidia or from the debian repository
15:43<ryan22>so try the new throlling service
15:43<ryan22>nvidia
15:43<ryan22>its proably newer
15:43<heffay>yeah.... but what hardware hmm
15:43<ryan22>it could be ram
15:43<heffay>maybe ill try a memtest
15:43<emopart>could be psu saying that too
15:43<ryan22>my guess is the throlling mechism is fucking up your cpu
15:43<ryan22>*whoops
15:43<ryan22>*screwing up
15:43<ryan22>sorry :p
15:44<ryan22>so ya try cpudyn
15:44<ryan22>and make sure you have the latest grpahics driver
15:44<ryan22>like empart part said, this could be power as well, so having everything nicely throttled will helo with that too
15:45<ryan22>*emopart
15:45<emopart>could be cpu or mainboard or graphics card too
15:45<emopart>maybe your cat has some force field around it
15:45<ryan22>ya clean out the fans
15:45<heffay>maybe its my mouse
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15:46<ryan22>it could be that too
15:46<emopart>maybe it's the surface you're using the mouse on
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15:46<ryan22>here's a good guide at getting the temp sensors on debian set-up: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/327
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15:47<emopart>i'm on page 19 of george orwels 1984
15:47<ryan22>good book, very bleak
15:47<emopart>yeah i like books
15:48<emopart>specially when i'm supposed to be working
15:48<ryan22>lol
15:48<heffay>cpu temp is 40c
15:48<emopart>a book is a better way to waste the day than sitting behind this damn screen
15:48<heffay>which makes sense consider the load avg is 1.18
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15:49<emopart>spec u need to turn the sensitivity down on your meese mang
15:49<ryan22>ya it might just be your mouse settings ;)
15:49<emopart>i remember when i used to play cs:s
15:49<emopart>strafing AWP headshots
15:50<heffay>memtest time i guess
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15:50<emopart>bust out the deagle and get some close combat against fools who don't know the double tap with the m4a1's and the ak47
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16:07<icebrain>!tell emopart about ot
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16:20<BBQ>hello everyone, why epiphany and Iceweasel going to slow? any suggestions to fix that?
16:21<ryan22>BBQ: ping google.com
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16:22<BBQ><ryan22> and it is all?
16:22<ryan22>BBQ: and tell me the result
16:22<BBQ><ryan22>ok budy
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16:39<HenryHeron>I am trying to install google earth onto my Debian Squeeze system. The down loaded file is 'GoogleEarthLinux.bin' I try to cd it in order to run 'chmod +x' but the terminal says it is not a directory? I do not understand. Can someone advise me Thanks.
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16:40<themill>,versions googleearth-package
16:40<judd>googleearth-package -- etch/contrib: 0.0.4; lenny/contrib: 0.5.4; sid/contrib: 0.5.7; squeeze/contrib: 0.5.7
16:41<HenryHeron>judd; where do I find the appropriate packages?
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16:42<themill>HenryHeron: you should be able to "aptitude install googleearth-package", providing you've got "contrib" in your sources.list.
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16:42<trroulouloiu>hi ; i would like to install networkmanager deamon ; but i would like it not to configure at all my resolv.conf is it possible ?
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16:44<HenryHeron>themill: I think I do not... is there an exact line you can give me to add it (or a location)?
16:44<Thays>Ooi gente '-'
16:44<HenryHeron>themill: I meant (or a location to obtain it)
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16:45<themill>dpkg: tell HenryHeron about contrib
16:46<themill>HenryHeron: basically, just add the word contrib after main in your /etc/apt/sources.list then aptitude update
16:46<HenryHeron>themill: Thanks much!
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16:58<Belen>Hola
16:58<themill>!es-social Belen
16:58<dpkg>Belen: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador por favor ingresa al canal social de #debian-es con /join #debian-es-cachondeo. Tus amigos probablemente ya esten ahi.
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16:59<Belen>ahi alguien¿?
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17:00<streuner_>!es
17:00<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat
17:00<Belen>k decis¿?
17:00<streuner_>Belen: talk english
17:00<Belen>tais lokos
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17:00<Belen>a mi en español
17:01<Belen>adios raros
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17:10<heffay>dammit. memtest is fine. even swapped the graphics card. problem persists
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17:11<nostmith>heffay, overclocked cpu?
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17:12<heffay>no
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17:19<heffay>sigh
17:19<heffay>ok im running off an ubuntu live cd now and the problem persists
17:19<nostmith>what problem?
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17:20<heffay>so far ive eliminated the hdd, the OS, the graphics card, and the ram as the problem
17:21<heffay>everything sort of pauses and starts again. its hard to explain. when i move my mouse for example, its starts and stops, starts and stops
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17:21<heffay>i also reset to mobo bios to defaut settings
17:21<nostmith>just the mouse?
17:22<nostmith>i mean only when you move the mouse?
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17:22<heffay>OMG fuck me. sorry for my french but i just fixed it LMAO
17:23<heffay>I was being sarcastic earlier when I said the mouse was the problem, but I tried a different usb port and its fine now.
17:23<heffay>hahahaahaha
17:23<heffay>LAME
17:24<ryan22>its always the simplest problem
17:24<ryan22>occam's razor
17:25<ryan22>:P
17:25<heffay>im gonna kick occam's ass
17:25<ryan22>he's already kick yours
17:25<ryan22>*kicked
17:25<heffay>haha touche'
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18:37<all_the_good_nicks_were_taken>Does anyone know what would make X.org recognize a joystick as if it was a mouse?
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18:42<sparky4_>hi
18:43<ryan22>all_the_good_names_were_taken: qjoypad, though i dont think its in the repos
18:43<all_the_good_nicks_were_taken>qjoypad? What?
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18:43<ryan22>you'll have to compile it
18:43<sparky4_>I am having reletivly major difficulty with lenny and a VERY stubborn lappy
18:43*all_the_good_nicks_were_taken is Googling...
18:43<ryan22>http://qjoypad.sourceforge.net/
18:43<sparky4_>I can net get it to connect to Internet
18:44<all_the_good_nicks_were_taken>Actually, I'm trying to get x.org to STOP treating my joystick as a mouse.
18:44<ryan22>it works for that too
18:44<ryan22>;)
18:44<all_the_good_nicks_were_taken>Hmm...
18:44<sparky4_>I am having reletivly major difficulty with lenny and a VERY stubborn lappy. I cannot get it to connect to Internet. How Do I fix this?
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18:44<ryan22>spark4_: what network manger are you using
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18:45<sparky4_>ryanI do not know
18:45<ryan22>is it wirless or wired
18:45<sparky4_>It i a very old lappy
18:45<sparky4_>wired
18:45<sparky4_>always wired
18:45<ryan22>we need deets to help you
18:45<ryan22>cool
18:45<sparky4_>no wireless here
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18:45<ryan22>well install networkmanager
18:45<sparky4_>deets?
18:45<ryan22>details
18:45<sparky4_>ryanI get floppy disk and install network manager?
18:45<sparky4_>and this system has no GUI
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18:46<ryan22>ah
18:46<sparky4_>CLI is here
18:46<jordanm>then you would want wireless-tools
18:46<sparky4_>but it is wired!
18:46<ryan22>type in ifconfig and paste the output into pastebin
18:46<ryan22>and give us the link
18:46<sparky4_>ryan the system is simply not connected
18:46<sparky4_>not even connected to the lan
18:46<jordanm>sparky4_: are you trying to use dhcp?
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18:47<ryan22>sparky4_: is it getting an ip?
18:47<jordanm>sparky4_: what version of debian is this?
18:47<sparky4_>ipconfig = not found
18:47<sparky4_>TO MANY QUESTIONS!!!!!!
18:47<jordanm>sparky4_: ifconfig
18:48<ryan22>lol i always spell that wrong. damn windows habits ;)
18:48<sparky4_>jordanm: yes ryan: no jordanm: lenny
18:48<jordanm>sparky4_: if you call dhclient eth0, no response?
18:48<sparky4_>jordanm: command not found
18:48<jordanm>sparky4_: as root
18:48<sparky4_>let me see
18:50<sparky4_>jordanm: !!!!!
18:50<sparky4_>connection!!!!!!!
18:50<sparky4_>yay!
18:50<sparky4_>^^
18:50<sparky4_>jordanm: thanks!
18:50<ryan22>ping google.com
18:50<ryan22>it may have just given itself a self-assigned ip
18:50<jordanm>sparky4_: check out man interfaces for automatic connection, or also good examples in the debian reference
18:51<jordanm>!reference
18:51<dpkg>The Debian Reference will answer most of your questions about Debian. The latest version (v2) is at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ . Read it after installing Debian and before asking for support, as it is the closest thing Debian has to a manual. You can install this too, the package name is debian-reference: 'aptitude install debian-reference'
18:52<ryan22>jordanm: isn't it setup to use dchp by default, though i guess it could have been disabled in the installer
18:52<ryan22>*dhcp
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18:53<jordanm>ryan22: I think that it only enables it by default if that is what you use during the installation.
18:53<ryan22>jordanm: ya i think its the default in the installer
18:54<sparky4_>^^;
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18:55<jordanm>it prompts you... if you consider "default" the option that it is highlighted on first, sure :)
18:55<ryan22>mind you when you move the installation to a different wireless card, you have to delete a few files to dhcp working again
18:55<ryan22>*network
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18:56<jordanm>or maybe some udev rules
18:56<jordanm>if you mean because the interface name changes
18:56<ryan22>yep thats exactly what you delete
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18:56<ryan22>applys to moving vms too
18:56<ryan22>unless you tell network manager to handle the connection
18:57<ryan22>jordanm: but to answer your question, yes i do consider the option highlighted at first to be default :P
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19:05<all_the_good_nicks_were_taken>Does anyone know how to get X.org to recognize *only* a PS/2 mouse and not any other "mice"?
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19:09<sparky4_>what is an extreamly lightwaieght desktop enviorment?
19:10<all_the_good_nicks_were_taken>dwm
19:10<Sara>I use IceWM, extreamly nice.
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19:10<Sara>hi, btw
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19:11<Sara>Urgh, Xchat makes long names like 'all_the_good_nicks_were_taken' look stupid.
19:11<ryan22>openbox is nice
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19:12<ryan22>^thank god :p
19:12<Sara>Thank you.
19:12<sparky4_>not wm
19:12<sparky4_>i mean DE
19:13<short-nick>XFCE is the lightest DE I've ever seen.
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19:13<short-nick>I've gotten lighter ones in the past by cobbling them together out of unrelated programs.
19:13<grimnar>How do I assign a hard drive to a spesific /dev/* ?
19:14<ryan22>short-nick: xfce is light. but i can get openbox down to 35MB of ram on lenny
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19:14<ryan22>xfce takes up a min of around 80MB of ram, which is still awesome
19:14<ryan22>sparky4_:
19:14<Sara>Im tired.. just finnished building a new Kernal.. I have purched a nice Acer 5732Z laptop.. after three days (I have worked inbetween) I have succsfully got my desktop system to my laptop. :D
19:14<ryan22>whoops
19:14<sparky4_>ryan: heavey for my 166Mhz pentium 1 with MMX
19:16<ryan22>sparky4_: you should check and see if your ethernet will autoconnect after you reboot. i think the command that was given to you before only works as long as your computer is still running
19:17<ryan22>spark4_: and you aren't going to get much better than 35MB, debian alone takes up around 20MB of ram with just the cli
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19:17<ryan22>*sparky4_
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19:17<ryan22>twm might be you only option :p
19:18<sparky4_>why 20MB?
19:18<Sara>Anyone know if X server has any touchpad software?
19:18<ryan22>sparky4_: its a modern operating system
19:18<ryan22>Sara: what kind of touchpad?
19:18<Sara>It is a standard laptop touchpad
19:19<ryan22>Sara: what brand?
19:19<Sara>Acer.
19:19<sparky4_>ryan: ohh yeah that is true!!!!
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19:19<sparky4_>I wish it was not so heavy!
19:20<ryan22>sparky4_: i would say 20MB is damn good for a unix
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19:20<Sara>sparkey4_: tiny Linux?
19:20<sparky4_>ryan: really!?!?
19:21<short-nick>I remember when I used to run Linux in only 8MB of RAM.
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19:21<short-nick>That was a 2.0 kernel, though. I couldn't upgrade to 2.2, because of the higher RAM requirement.
19:22<ryan22>spark4_: you could get by running busybox as your userland. that runs on my router with 8 MB of ram
19:22<ryan22>sparky4_: though i doubt it would run x
19:22<ryan22>Sara: what desktop environment are you using?
19:23<Sara>IceWM
19:23<sparky4_>ryan: my anchient server runs X well!
19:25<ryan22>Sara: i doubt iceWM has a decent mouse configuration tool. they probably expect you to edit x yourself. i suggest you try xfce, it has a lot more utilities
19:25<Sara>Ah, never mind then, thanks for trying, I will hack something together myself.
19:26<ryan22>sparky4_: http://tinycorelinux.com/
19:26<Sara>Well, once everything else is configured
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19:26<ryan22>thats probably closer to what you want. it's only 10 MB
19:27<pixu>and X is included ;-)
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19:29<Sara><ryan22> sparky4_: http://tinycorelinux.com/: I had sugested this earlyer. :) I got the name wrong though, I said tiny Linux
19:29<ryan22>busybox, X11 and a basic package manager :p
19:29<Sara>Lolol
19:29<ryan22>lol
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19:29<sparky4_>ryan22: can't i just reconfoogle my debian?
19:29<ryan22>tiny linux is a name another linux distro i guess: http://tiny.seul.org/en/
19:30<ryan22>spark4_: i doubt it
19:30<ryan22>*sparky4_
19:30<Sara>Ah
19:30<ryan22>it would be a lot of work. it would take you less time just to install tiny core linux
19:31<Sara>^ it is suposed to be realy good that tbh
19:32<tonytone17>can i install an x window manager on a debian vps and vnc to it?
19:32<Ikarus>tonytone17: you will also need to install Xvnc
19:32<Ikarus>but in theory, yes
19:32<Ikarus>why would you though ?
19:33<tonytone17>to use a gui on my vps
19:33<ryan22>tonytone17: use nx instead of vnc. its near native speed
19:33<ryan22>much much faster
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19:33<ryan22>it's like you're there
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19:36<TCW>wtf?! why is the background image in Gnome 2.30 cloned on dualhead configs and not stretched over both displays?!
19:37<Ikarus>TCW: it's just a default
19:37<tonytone17>thanks Ikarus,ryan22
19:37<TCW>Ikarus, I did not find a way to revert that new default back to the Gnome 2.28 setting... any idea?
19:38<Ikarus>TCW: no idea where to find it
19:38<ryan22>tonytone17: tightvncserver is a great backup for nx
19:38<Ikarus>TCW: I'd just use feh to set it and be done with it (YMMV)
19:38<TCW>Ikarus, but you know it is just a configurable default?
19:38<Ikarus>TCW: yup, I noticed it in gconf
19:38<TCW>Ikarus, feh? The image viewing app?
19:39<Ikarus>TCW: it also supports background setting
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19:39<TCW>feh for setting the background?
19:39<TCW>I guess I'll have a look in gconf first :)
19:39<Ikarus>it's what the Gnome agnostic people do
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19:40<ryan22>feh is the awesome
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19:41<Ikarus>ryan22: no, it is teh awesome :P
19:41<ryan22>:P
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19:45<Sara>I am off, bye.
19:45<ryan22>cya
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19:45<TCW>Ikarus, _any_ idea what name the option could have? At least I have all "background" options through and there was nothing concerning my wish
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19:55<sparky4_>ryan: it runs x
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19:55<sparky4_>ryan22: it runs x, very slowly though
19:56<ryan22>not surprized
19:56<sparky4_>xD
19:56<ryan22>x is no longer optimized for that kind of hardware
19:56<ryan22>and busybox is pretty limited
19:57<ryan22>my router uses it
19:57<ryan22>:P
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19:57<ryan22>you could try twm on debian, but i doubt itll be much faster
19:58<ryan22>and twm is VERY limited
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20:03<sparky4_>or
20:03<sparky4_>blackbox
20:03<sparky4_>i think that is what it is called.
20:04<sparky4_>noo
20:04<sparky4_>Itr is window maker
20:04<ryan22>blackbox has been maintained in 5 years
20:04<ryan22>openbox is its successor
20:04<ryan22>supposibly fvwm inst that bad either, its based on twm
20:04<ryan22>*hasnt
20:05<sparky4_>I will use window maker
20:05<ryan22>same with window maker
20:05<ryan22>id stick with fvwm, its still maintained
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20:18<sparky4_>ryan22: fvwm is sexy!!!!
20:19<ryan22>i wouldnt quite say its sexy, but its not half bad
20:19<ryan22>now xfce, thats a sexy wm
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20:19<ryan22>http://infinityos.net/node/21
20:19<ryan22>:P
20:20<ryan22>unfortunately infinityos takes up 200MB as it runs deluge as default ;)
20:20<sparky4_>I like old school looking user interfases
20:21<ryan22>i like subtle ones that stay out my way
20:22<ryan22>unlike gnome or kde
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20:23<cesurasean>can someone please assist me in getting amanda to work on debian powerpc?
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20:31<ryan22>cesurasean: try deja-dup. it is probably easier
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20:33<ryan22>cesurasean: http://wiki.debian.org/Duplicity
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20:33<ryan22>deja-dup is the forntend to duplicity. it even has support for amazon s3
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21:28<Guest321>??
21:28<Guest321>hello
21:29<Gotthard>help
21:29<Gotthard>helo
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21:32<linux__>hello
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21:34<linux_>hello
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21:36<linux_>1
21:37<linux_>大家好!
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22:11<k-man>how does sharing output between apps work these days?
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22:27<amitz>wtf, debian squeeze's linux image doesn't get update from unstable despite it passes the 10 day requirement?
22:28<amitz>is that normal or I'm unaware of a policy?
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22:31<ansgar>amitz: Do you mean the linux-latest-2.6 source package? It will not migrate to testing as its depedency (linux-2.6) has not passed the 10 day limit.
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22:37<amitz>ansgar: ah... I see. thanks
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22:52<k-man>how does pulse audio compare with ALSA?
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22:55<Guest328> hello! i would like to ask again whats the best program for recording online tv streaming for ubuntu thanks
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22:56<amitz>k-man: pulseaudio seems to be of different layer than alsa, cmiiw.
22:57<k-man>yeah, that's what i seem to understand also, afaict, it's so apps can share the sound output path. but i thought you could do that with ALSA directly?
22:57<paultag>amitz, yeah, it's an abstraction layer. It is like a proxy, it handles many incoming requests and mixes them into a single feed into alsa to emulate more then one track playing
22:58<amitz>paultag: oh, interesting but make sense approach.
22:58<paultag>sure does
22:58<paultag>:)
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22:59<k-man>so - if i want apps to share the audio path, i should install pulseaudio?
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23:00<paultag>k-man, it depends. You can usually get away without it
23:00<k-man>paultag: oh, ok, thats good to know as i think mythtv does not support it yet
23:00<paultag>Ah
23:01<paultag>k-man, it's become standard on Ubuntu because it makes things less error-prone ( but not during early adoption )
23:01<paultag>k-man, if you really want Debian stability keep on ALSA. If you don't mind hacking, give pulse a go
23:01<k-man>paultag: ok, thanks for the advice
23:02<paultag>sure
23:02<k-man>mythtv is mission critical ;) so i'll stick with ALSA for the moment
23:02<paultag>sure :)
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23:03<k-man>so.... mpd and mythtv should have no problem sharing sound via ALSA then? in theory
23:03<jordanm_>shouldn't if you use dmix
23:03<k-man>dmix?
23:04<paultag>k-man, mythtv should not be playing and using the whole interface all the time. MPD might not play nice, but I'm sure you can get them to work
23:04<jordanm_>!dmix
23:04<dpkg>hmm... dmix is an <ALSA> subsystem which allows a music device to play multiple sound streams simultaneously without the need for an external sound server. See http://alsa.opensrc.org/Dmix or another sample asound.conf at http://img.hexus.net/v2/features/foss/a3/images/asound.conf or http://phaeronix.net/asoundrc
23:04<paultag>k-man, mpd is really hackable
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23:04<k-man>paultag: yeah, i'm just discovering mpd.... seems pretty good for what I want
23:05<paultag>just use dmix, jordanm_ is right
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23:07<ryan22>k-man: looking into jack might be a sound option as well
23:08<ryan22>jack is bit more reliable than pulse
23:08<paultag>ryan22, there is a lot of overhead, though, and it's very resource heavy
23:08<k-man>ryan22: yeah, played with jack a while ago when i was playing with ardour - but it feels overkill for mythtv and mpd
23:08<paultag>ryan22, I love it for my recording studio, but not my desktop ;)
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