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#debian IRC Logs for 2010-05-31

---Logopened Mon May 31 00:00:09 2010
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00:34<edbian>How can I sudo echo 3 > /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches ???
00:34<edbian>sudo echo
00:34<edbian>does not work
00:35<locklace>su -c 'echo ...'
00:36<edbian>with the quotes?
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00:40<jordanm>edbian: yes
00:41<edbian>thanks
00:41<jordanm>edbian: http://mywiki.wooledge.org/Quotes
00:41<edbian>I found this as well: echo 3 | sudo tee -a /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches
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00:42<jordanm>edbian: that will not work either if you have not installed and configured sudo
00:42<jordanm>edbian: you can interpret sudo as "do this as root"
00:43<edbian>yeah
00:43<edbian>I learned it didn't work cause sudo only lasts for 1 command and the pipe creates 2
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01:03<rinku>hi
01:03<rinku>how ru
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01:04<rinku>how r u all
01:04<rinku>i want help in backtrack
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01:27<amitz>!backtrack
01:27<dpkg>BackTrack is not Debian and is not supported in #debian (ask me about <based on debian>). Try http://www.backtrack-linux.org/ or #backtrack-linux on irc.freenode.net instead. BackTrack is a Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu> Intrepid (as of BackTrack 4), previously <SLAX>. Derived from merging two penetration-testing distributions: WHAX (formerly WHOPPIX) and Auditor Security Linux.
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01:41<Guest339>hello
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01:42<Guest339>welcome
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02:13<kevinphp>hello everyone
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04:21<jmm>hi.
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06:16<misha>Hello, can I speak russian?
06:16<jm_>!ru
06:16<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net. or use English here.
06:17<misha>Thanks
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07:48<Robert17>afternoon
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07:57<jurg>Ran a dist-upgrade on my laptop running squeeze, and now grub fails to boot with the error message "no such partition." and dumps me to a grub rescue-shell which doesn't seem to be able to do anything. No matter what i try it claims "unknown command"
07:57<jurg>Any idea what is wrong and/or how to fix it?
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07:57<jurg>I use lvm, if it matters.
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08:02<axius>hello, i've got a fresh install of debian squeeze (using the netinst img) and i've got a nasty flicker (I have an onboard Intel video card), in /etc/X11 there is no xorg.conf and from what i've read it's normal. I've found something about KMS and that I should disable frame buffers, some forums tell me it's being done automaticaly ... while others point me in the kernel rebuild direction. I need a few hints pls:)
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08:03<sfyn>craigevil: thanks for the answer the other night
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08:05<bremner>jurg: any of the know bugs for grub look likely?
08:06<jm_>axius: I remember flickerign being reported by some people, not quite sure which kernel version, 2.6.32 or .33
08:06<jm_>reported on LKML that is\
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08:09<jurg>bremner: Not as far as I can see.
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08:11<bremner>jurg: maybe try booting from supergrub (/msg dpkg supergrub)
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08:12<axius>i've got 2.6.32 :)
08:12<axius>jm_: thanks for the answer
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08:12<axius>i'll try 2.6.33
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08:13<jm_>axius: debian's 2.6.32 has some fixes from .33, I'd try .34 instead
08:13<jurg>bremner: I have, it failed to fix it.
08:14<axius>nice :) a hint on how to install .34 ?
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08:16<jm_>experimental has it, or just build your own
08:16<axius>cool :) thanks
08:16<axius>will try experimental
08:16<jurg>bremner: It fails with "Error 15: File not found". Probably has problems because my /boot is in the lvm
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08:18<k-man>how do i go about setting up pulseaudio in squeeze?
08:19<icebrain>!pulseaudio
08:19<dpkg>PulseAudio (formerly Polypaudio) is a cross-platform network sound server, intended as a drop-in replacement for <ESD>. Packaged for Debian since Etch, read /usr/share/doc/pulseaudio/README.Debian after installation for configuration recommendations. http://pulseaudio.org/wiki/FAQ http://pulseaudio.org/ #pulseaudio on irc.freenode.net.
08:19<icebrain>have you read the readme?
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08:19<k-man>no
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08:20<k-man>icebrain: but that seems like a good place to start, thanks
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08:23<bremner>jurg: ah, /boot in lvm, no experience with that. Well, sorry, that is all I can think of.
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08:29<gurpreet>on squeeze, my mouse pointer is getting converted to a big square box when ever i open some window etc.
08:29<gurpreet>i am using fluxbox
08:30<locklace>let me guess, you're using the intel driver
08:30<gurpreet>locklace: its radeon
08:30<gurpreet>locklace: i mean it should be radeon
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08:31<locklace>does it happen if you use the vesa driver
08:32<gurpreet>locklace: i haven't tried, how do i use vesa driver?
08:32<gurpreet>got no xorg.conf and now i am not able to create it, even by "xorg :1 -configure"
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09:26<cesurasean>One of my debian squeeze machines is freezing. Anyone have a clue why it does this? It's just a command line machine, and still freezes....
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09:30<cahoot>you're implying you searched the logs - no fault found?
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09:35<cesurasean>fault found in the logs? which logs?
09:36<cahoot>sorry to bother you - please disregard
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---Logopened Mon May 31 12:36:38 2010
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13:25<pacrat>need help
13:25<pacrat>i got a errpor of debootstrap
13:26<pacrat>cant dertermine the name od the distrubution version
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13:26<lantizia>Is full (a finally decided upon implementation) support for multiarch likely going to be in squeeze?
13:27-!-jespada [~jespada@52-14-16-190.fibertel.com.ar] has joined #debian
13:27<themill>lantizia: asking each channel in turn isn't going to change the answer
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13:28<lantizia>themill: No but it may get me an answer
13:28<themill>lantizia: you got an answer
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13:28<lantizia>Nope
13:29*themill wonders which bit of "no" and a pointer to the documentation was ambiguous
13:29<lantizia>No one pointed me to any documentation
13:30<lantizia>Just an out of date and jumpted wiki page
13:30<lantizia>*jumbled
13:30<themill>*plonk*
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13:36<Veloxin>Hey someone here to help me?
13:36<Veloxin>I've got problems detecting Harddrives when installing. (Smart Array 642)
13:36<lantizia>Veloxin will help you
13:36<Veloxin>HP Proliant.
13:36<x-ray>I have one question for anyone can help me :)
13:37<lantizia>x-ray will help you
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13:37<x-ray>Can you give me an irc chan for bt4 (if it exists) ;o
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13:37<x-ray>googled but didnt found anything
13:37<Veloxin>BackTrack IRC channel, #remote-exploit on irc.freenode.net
13:37<x-ray>Ty very much ;)
13:37<Veloxin>np.
13:38<x-ray>see ya later
13:38<Veloxin>Someone know which driver I need for my SCSI Smart-Array 642 to work with the install of Debian 5?
13:38<Veloxin>ciao.
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13:38<Veloxin>Because the install didn't recognize my SCSI Controller.
13:39<valdyn>!which driver
13:39<dpkg>To work out what module you need to load for your PCI card, try pasting the output from "lspci -n" into http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ . To determine the driver currently associated with an Ethernet interface, ask me about <which ethernet module>. To show the video driver used by your X server: grep Load.*mod.*driv /var/log/Xorg.0.log
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13:40<Veloxin>well, how because I only got the netinstall disk.
13:40<Veloxin>Its the HP Smart Array 642, thats all I know.
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13:41<x-ray>I'm back :D
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13:41<x-ray>@Veloxin I got this msg error : #remote-exploit: Cannot send to channel
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13:42<Veloxin>Its because you need +v
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13:42<x-ray>+v ? (sorry just another newbie on irc)
13:42<themill>x-ray: unregistered users are quieted over there. /msg nickserv help register
13:42<x-ray>Ah yes sorry themill
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13:43<x-ray>i do it right now
13:43<x-ray>it do anything :/
13:43<x-ray>I'm on weechat
13:44<x-ray>@themill how can i register my nickn ?
13:45<Veloxin>Darn, every websites sais I need to use the cciss driver. Its in the list but when I select it still says that there can't be any drives found.
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13:46<x-ray>omg ... i had to type it in the main console ... ty for helping anyway, i register my nick now
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13:48<x-ray>REGISTER test training_pro@live.fr
13:48<x-ray>omg ...
13:48<Veloxin>:')
13:48<x-ray>Some hepl XD ?
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13:49<x-ray>Veloxin maybe ? x) Just stop laughing please and tell me how i can do it :D
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13:50<Veloxin>Well.. No-one got a method for me to install Debian on my Smart Array 642 controller?
13:50<x-ray>I dont have it :/ (and you know it :D)
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13:53<x-ray>...
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13:57<ComradeHaz`>Hey guys, slightly random question, but why are SMART tests that are run while disks are in use called 'offline tests'?
13:57<Ikarus>ComradeHaz`: online ones are the ones the disk runs internally all the time
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13:58<ComradeHaz`>Ah, right, I see
13:58-!-micha_ [~micha@i577B4738.versanet.de] has joined #debian
13:58<ComradeHaz`>just seemd a bit counter-intuative :)
13:58<ComradeHaz`>Thanks :)
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13:58<micha_>moin moin allerseits
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14:10<Veloxin>Someone here to help me. with smart array 642.. google aint helping me.
14:11<Veloxin>just hate it
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14:12<Veloxin>argh..
14:12<Veloxin>so many people and so many not answering.
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14:26<imad>salut all quelqu'un de dispo ?
14:26<imad>je voudrais le wifi sur mon hp pavillion dv
14:26<Fisteletes>#toxic-warez
14:26<imad>dv6
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14:29<simonrvn>!fr
14:29<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur irc.oftc.net. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.oftc.net.
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14:59<blaster>hi
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15:00<blaster>is this the place to ask questions about packaging problems?
15:00<Myon>#debian-mentors is probably better
15:01<blaster>thanks
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15:30<sparky4>how do i activate a swap partition when I boot up?
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15:34<locklace>sparky4: man swapon fstab
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15:38<Loceka>hello :)
15:39<Merc>hi
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15:43<Loceka>does anyone know if it is possible (and how) to execute a script at login for a SFTP (SSH) connection using FileZilla
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15:54<Veloxin>Hey people
15:54<Veloxin>how long would it freakin take at 83% of the netinstall "Configuring Linux-Image-***"
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15:59<Veloxin>now if a restart of the install doesn't help I'm gonna sell my 4U server.
15:59<Veloxin>im sick of it
16:00<Veloxin>well f*ck this. no support here so why does this chan even exist. turning back to redhat. ciao.
16:00<Veloxin>exit
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16:04*rudi_s thinks wtf ..
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16:05<bremner>!next
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16:18<sparky4>?
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16:22<piklu>hey anybody living ?/
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16:54<Jassonn>hi guys
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16:54<piklu>hey
16:54<piklu>Jassonn: hii
16:55<Jassonn>If could tell me from where can i get Debian, want to install it..
16:55<sparky4>in fstab what line do i add to activate swap at start up?
16:55<jacks_>which video card do you recommend? Good 2D, passive cooling, dualscreen
16:55<piklu>well, download DVDs burn them
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16:56<piklu>Jassonn: http://www.debian.org/distrib/
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16:56<sparky4>David: /gee/ /gee/ /gee/ /gee/ /gee/ /gee/ /gee/ /gee/ /gee/ /gee/ /gee/ /gee/ /gee/ /gee/ /gee/ /gee/ /gee/ /gee/ /gee/ /gee/ baby baby baby baby
16:56<sparky4>in fstab what line do i add to activate swap at start up?
16:57<Jassonn>piklu : i went to the site there which one CD /DVD ?
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16:58<Pryon>sparky4: you can indicate a partition to be used for swap in fstab, but swap is activated via the swapon command
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16:59<Jassonn>intel i386 ?
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17:00<Pryon>sparky4: /dev/foo none swap sw 0 0
17:00<Jassonn>hey guys please help!
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17:01<Pryon>Jassonn: Our telepathy is weak today. What kind of machine do you have?
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17:02<Jassonn>intel core 2 , 4 gb ram
17:02<sparky4>ok
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17:03<Pryon>Jassonn: Do you want to run 32-bit or 64-bit?
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17:03<Jassonn>64 bit will work.? i am not sure..32 bit will do.
17:04<Pryon>If you don't know, then use 32. In that case you want i386.
17:05<Jassonn>yes but : i have to download all 6 of them : http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.4/i386/bt-dvd/
17:05<sparky4>ok
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17:07<Pryon>Jassonn: If you have a reliable network connection, I recommend using the netinst image: http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/#netinst-stable
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17:10<Jassonn>Pryon : its only 150mb i started downloading..
17:11<Pryon>You will download the rest of whatever you need after the base system is installed from the CD>
17:11<Pryon>s/>/.//
17:12<Jassonn>Pryon : yes..thanks
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17:12<Jassonn>ok see you guys..bye
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17:30<stuckey>Hello all
17:31<piklu>stuckey: heyy
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17:32<stuckey>I can't read DVDs/CDs
17:33<stuckey> I get output in dmesg like: http://paste.debian.net/75610/
17:33<stuckey>21:04 < s1uck3y> I use mount /dev/sr0 to mount and it says: http://paste.debian.net/75611/
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17:34<bob_>hi !
17:35<bob_>why i can't find amsn if I do apt-get install amsn and this page said there is amsn as a package : http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/amsn
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17:36<Pryon>bob_: which release of debian are you running?
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17:36<bob_>squeeze
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17:38<Pryon>bob_: looks like the list of architectures doesn't include i386. What architecture are you running?
17:39<bob_>amd64
17:39<bob_>ok that's true my architecture is not there
17:39<Pryon>amd64 isn't there either
17:39<Pryon>:(
17:39<bob_>do you know why ?
17:39<Pryon>No clue
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17:41<bob_>ok
17:41<bob_>thanks
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18:07<CoderChase>What are the fillings for the following variable: /cs access #channel add username XXXXXXXXX ?
18:08<CoderChase>What goes in XXXXXXXXX?
18:08<themill>CoderChase: #oftc, perhaps?
18:08<CoderChase>Well, then...
18:08<CoderChase>Thank for your not help...
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18:29<shion>irc://irc.otaku-irc.fr/gto_fansub
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18:36<acu>what should I choose to do a minimum install ?
18:36<acu>in squeeze ?
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19:21<Anthony>i need a cheap modem that has linux drivers but i am learning that they are not well supported, i see quite a few speedtouch 330 on ebay but the wiki page for that modem model says they are notorious with linux users and not in a good way.
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19:21<Anthony>if i get a pci modem will it also need drivers or will debian automatically handle it?
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19:26<pixu>Anthony, /msg dpkg winmodem
19:27<Anthony>i type this in the irc right ? pixu?
19:27<pixu>yes
19:27<Anthony>ta much i heard of winmodem b4
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19:28<Anthony>i have 2 old winmodems but configuring them does not sound like an easy task
19:29<Anthony>is it best to just avoid all together if poss?
19:30<pixu>sure , get a modern router/modem for 20$
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19:31<Anthony>erm i already have one but torrents overload it thats why i wanted to turn a old p2 into a debian router and home file server
19:31<Anthony>now my only problem is getting a way to connect
19:31<Anthony>http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/New-Internal-Broadband-PCI-Internet-ADSL-PC-Modem-/230481692124?cmd=ViewItem&pt=UK_Computing_Networking_SM&hash=item35a9c785dc
19:32<Ikarus>wow never knew they where still sold
19:32<Anthony>so far ive managed to install debian, got transmission working and can see files over the workgroup
19:33<Anthony>i have found tutorials on routing tables i think i can do
19:33<Anthony>hehe just seems linux and modems are a pain
19:33<Anthony>ikarus are they any good?
19:33<Ikarus>Anthony: no, most are utter crap
19:33<Anthony>eek
19:34<Anthony>basically i just want a powerful router that having a lot of torrents on wont overload
19:35<Anthony>and i always wanted to get into linux
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19:39<erick>hola
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19:39*Erickk saluda a todos
19:39<locklace>!es-social Erickk
19:39<dpkg>Erickk: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador por favor ingresa al canal social de #debian-es con /join #debian-es-cachondeo. Tus amigos probablemente ya esten ahi.
19:40<Erickk>#debian-es-cachondeo
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19:41<sam1234>hi
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19:42<sam1234>anyone there!!!
19:42<locklace>!anyone
19:42<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
19:42<Anthony>i am
19:43<Anthony>hey sam
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19:43<sam1234>can ayone guide to get graphical debian installaiton.
19:44<Anthony>sadly not i am a linux noob
19:44<sam1234>aleast you replied..thanks
19:45<Anthony>hehe no prob i only ever did a command line install
19:45<sam1234>may be i'll come later..
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20:13<CkhiKuzad>i need to know how to force a drive to be writable. my stupid ubuntu drive is screwed up, and i need to delete something in the /tmp/orbit-ckhikuzad directory (or move it for backup purposes) to allow it to boot.
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20:45<Thays>Olá
20:46<edbian>I don't understand media tomb. Can't I play the files live over the browser? When I click a file it just tries to open it...
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20:48<ryan22>edbian: have you tired just using plain old samba
20:48<ryan22>*tried
20:48<edbian>I don't want to share the files. I want to have a client machine play the files on a server live over a browser. Does that make sense?
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20:51<edbian>Does something like that exist? ^
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20:52<ryan22>i would just use samba
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20:52<ryan22>intenet streaming sounds nice, but you wont be able to access the file outside your house unless you have an awesome internet connection
20:52<edbian>ryan22, But that's just file sharing isn't it? I don't want the users to have to download the files over the network first. That's crazy! I'm looking for something like apple itunes "share my library"
20:53<ryan22>nah
20:53<edbian>ryan22, This is all LAN
20:53<ryan22>samba can stream seamlessly
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20:53<ryan22>my roommates all steam stuff over samba
20:53<ryan22>works over wifi too, if its not hd
20:53<edbian>ryan22, Thanks
20:53<ryan22>no prob
20:54<edbian>ryan22, So I just make those files "shared" and then the rest of the network can see them and play them as if they're local?
20:54<ryan22>edbian: make sure the computer have all the needed codecs
20:54<shadowu>eek
20:54<ryan22>i recommend cccp
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20:54<edbian>ryan22, The server or the client?
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20:54<ryan22>edbian: yes. samba is designed to let you use the files as if theyre local. ive ran firefox oversamba before
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20:55<edbian>What about NFS, is that the same way?
20:55<ryan22>edbian: the clients as the files will be played back locally
20:55<ryan22>yep nfs works the same way
20:55<ryan22>ftp doesnt
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20:55<ryan22>sftp would probably work but i never tried it
20:56<ryan22>nfs is a pain thoguh to setup and windows machines don't suppot it
20:56<edbian>ryan22, I know. I've used it.
20:56<edbian>ryan22, Thanks for the help!
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20:56<ryan22>edbian: no prob
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21:07<mcr>I had an abortive upgrade to testing... the Xorg there is too broken, so I've been backing up... mostly with apt-get install foo=version-from-lenny.
21:08<mcr>Is there some way to list all the packages which is not available from the current sources, or are too new for the current source?
21:09<mcr>(alternatively, if there was some way to pin my Xorg on the lenny version for awhile... I'd be happy for the rest to move to testing, particularly gstreamer, pulseaudio, python, ...)
21:10<mcr>I tried to do that, but I failed.
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21:25<ryan22>mcr: why don't you just use backports. less package breakages
21:25<cesurasean>how do i make boot diskette copies of debian?
21:25<cesurasean>can someome show me what i must use on the diskettes exactly?
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21:26<ryan22>mcr: though i guess backports doesn't have all the thrill of testing ;)
21:26<mcr>ryan22, I would have loved to stick with backports.
21:27<mcr>it was missing some things, and various friends were running testing (which I've always avoiding on my laptop)
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21:28<mcr>actually, when i got a new HD last week, I installed Ubuntu, but that was a big disaster of kernel vs Xorg instability. Lots of reports of problems similar to what I had, with no obvious fixes. I was running lenny+backports. I'd like to just run that again.
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21:28<ryan22>mcr: ya moving to nouveau was a disaster among other things
21:29<ryan22>they spent to much time backporting and not enough time fixing ;)
21:29<cesurasean>how do i make a bootable diskette for debian?
21:29<ryan22>cesurasean: it should be in the debian guide
21:30<cesurasean>i don't exactly know which files need to be on the diskette.
21:30<jpinx-eeepc>mcr: lenny+backports "just works" and i have a few homemade backports from sid for extra new suff
21:30<cesurasean>i already read the guide.
21:30<mcr>ryan22: I don't even have a nvidea....
21:30<ryan22>mcr: ati? the version of fglrx they included was a prerelease
21:31<mcr>jpinx-eeepc, it's not a question of not using lenny+backports. it's a question of getting back without endlessamounts of =version stuff to get back :-)
21:31<mcr>jpinx-eeepc, what is your repo?
21:32<jpinx-eeepc>mcr: I use the main USA
21:32<ryan22>mcr: sometimes its best to start over. make a list of your installed packages and reinstall. its essentially the same as what youll have to do anyways ;)
21:33<jpinx-eeepc>mcr: do a dpkg -l to a file which will let you see what you need to re-install
21:33<jpinx-eeepc>mcr: depending on your set-up, a separate partition for your /home/ would be useful
21:34<ryan22>mcr: if youre keeping the same home folder, make a new username on the new install to avoid any config problems
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21:44<cesurasean>boot.img is 1.4megs, which is the same as the floppy. 1.4megs. It says won't fit on the floppy disk?
21:44<cesurasean>how do i accomplish this to get debian up and running?
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21:45<ryan22>did you try using an image problem to put the image on the disk
21:45<cesurasean>what do you mean an image program?
21:46<ml|>mcr: /msg dpkg aptitude clone
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21:47<knoppix_>hola
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21:49<Guest429>busco mujeres
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21:55<edbian>Is testing less stable than stable?
21:56<edbian>Like, significantly less stable??
21:57<mcr>ml|, hmm. okay. not much of an aptitude user, usually use apt-get.
21:57<mcr>I found the aptitude UI very confusing...
21:57<jpinx-eeepc>edbian: yes
21:58<jpinx-eeepc>edbian: if you have to ask that - stick with stable and backports ;)
21:58<dr|z3d>mcr: if you run aptitude without arguments, you'll get a curses iface. You want to use it in much the same way you use apt-get.
21:58<dr|z3d>so aptitude install <package> or aptitude update && aptitude full-upgrade etc.
21:59<ml|>!why aptitude
21:59<dpkg>aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution and will often find a solution where apt-get gives up. It can be used from the command line like apt-get plus an interactive resolver makes it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. It has advanced search capabilities (see <aptitude search>).
21:59<edbian>jpinx-eeepc, I'm not afraid of instability. I'm just curious. This isn't a serious work machine right now. Where in time is testing? Stable seems to be about 2 years ago now.
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22:00<jpinx-eeepc>edbian: for a non-production machine testing is fine, but you can expect it to break occasionally
22:01<edbian>jpinx-eeepc, Mostly I am growing weary of the old software. I'm using banshee version 1 for christ sake. I see Ubuntu switching to grub2 and ext4 and I'm envious is all.
22:01<edbian>jpinx-eeepc, How often is the testing repos updated?
22:01<jpinx-eeepc>edbian: stable is not that old
22:01<jpinx-eeepc>!lenny
22:01<dpkg>Lenny is the codename for the current stable release, Debian GNU/Linux 5.0, released on 2009-02-14: http://www.debian.org/News/2009/20090214 Ask me about <release notes>, <install debian>, <etch->lenny>, <installer firmware>. Currently <5.0.4>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLenny
22:02<jpinx-eeepc>!sns
22:02<dpkg>Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>.
22:02<jpinx-eeepc>!backports
22:02<dpkg>hmm... backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.org/ . Ask me about <backports.org> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>.
22:02<edbian>!ssb
22:02<dpkg>First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. If you are just wanting to change the compilation options, ask me about <package recompile>, or see <uupdate> if sid is too old
22:02<jpinx-eeepc>edbian: see all the above ;)
22:02<edbian>that's clever
22:02<edbian>grab the source!
22:02<edbian>Thank you very helpful
22:02<ml|>edbian: /msg dpkg moving target
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22:04<edbian>Thanks guys
22:04<edbian>Talk some sense into me
22:04<edbian>sns
22:04<edbian>ha ahah
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22:14<kaiyin>gtk themes can be previewed in gtk-theme-switch2, but can't be applied, why?
22:14<kaiyin>I use kde.
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22:33<cesurasean>how do i know which pcmcia wireless cards are compatible with the diskette install of debian?
22:34<jpinx-eeepc>cesurasean: google ;)
22:36<cesurasean>how do i know which OS im running?
22:36<cesurasean>uname -r just gives me kernel info
22:36<jpinx-eeepc>uname -a
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22:37<cesurasean>Linux 2.6.18-6-486, how do i know which pcmcia drivers are compatible with this?
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22:38<jpinx-eeepc>cesurasean: google ;)
22:38<cesurasean>what do i google exactly? please alittle help here.
22:39<jpinx-eeepc>cesurasean: that is a really old kernel
22:39*jpinx-eeepc is not about to explain how to use google
22:39<cesurasean>yes, i know. it's an older machine, that's why i want to get the pcmcia that will work with this kernel.
22:39<cesurasean>where is the lists that this debian version supports pcmcia wise?
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22:54<aberhow>question: In the "Software selection" menu the option "Standard system" exists. I would like to know what packages choosing said option installs? Also the other ones too for the sake of curiosity.
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22:56<jpinx-eeepc>aberhow: read the install notes
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22:58<aberhow>jpinx-eeepc, can you point me to where those are?
22:58<gsimmons>aberhow: /msg dpkg tasksel ; /msg dpkg server tasks
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22:59<aberhow>thanks gsimmons
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23:38<happy>g
23:39<happy>hello every one
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23:43<edbian>hi
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23:43<edbian>What does it mean if aptitude returns 1248 new [+1] at the end of "sudo aptitude update" ?
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23:45<ryan22>edbian: it means theres 1248 new packages, but only 1 is an update of a package you have installed
23:45<ryan22>[0] means you have no new packages
23:45<edbian>ryan22, but I ran sudo aptitude safe-upgrade and it had nothing to do
23:45<ryan22>dist-upgrade?
23:45<edbian>what?
23:45<edbian>no
23:46<edbian>I just ran dist-upgrade and it had nothing to do as well
23:46<ryan22>that one updated packages might require new packages or remove extsting ones
23:46<edbian>What makes a package "new" ??
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23:46<dli_>how do I disable MOT messages from apt? like "78 packages can be updated. 0 updates are security updates."
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23:49<ryan22>edbian: that its been updated in the source list
23:49<edbian>ryan22, Thanks
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23:51<ryan22>no prob
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