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#debian IRC Logs for 2010-06-01

---Logopened Tue Jun 01 00:00:12 2010
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00:14<jasper>how to setup apt to dl from squeeze repo if using lenny?
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00:17<jpinx-eeepc>!tell jasper about backports
00:18<jpinx-eeepc>!tell jasper about ssb
00:18<ml|>jasper: you don't, mixing anything with stable is a bad idea
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00:28<jasper>"Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid ..." O_o errr... whats a deb-src?
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00:30<ryan22>deb-src lets you get the source packages if you want to compile them
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00:30<MangueBoy>hi
00:31<jasper>got it
00:31<MangueBoy>i'm gonna install debian o my laptop, what is the version I should install? stable or testing?
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00:32<jpinx-eeepc>MangueBoy: stable
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00:32<MangueBoy>jpinx-eeepc, thanks man
00:32<MangueBoy>jpinx-eeepc, thats the one i'm downloading
00:33<ryan22>MangueBoy: if you need any uptodate versions of anything, check out backports
00:33<jpinx-eeepc>MangueBoy: use backports for newer versions of applications if you need them
00:34<MangueBoy>what is backports?
00:34<ryan22>MangueBoy: newer versions of certain applications made for lenny
00:35<ryan22>use only if you need them though
00:35<jasper>!tell MangueBoy about backports
00:35<jasper>hope i did that right
00:35<ryan22>http://www.backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php
00:35<MangueBoy>jasper, yeah man it did work
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00:37<demititan>hello
00:37<demititan>anybody out there?
00:37<MangueBoy>I thougt I just had to add testing sources to the source list
00:38<demititan>anyone here familiar with BT4?
00:38<ryan22>MangueBoy: backports are a bit safer than adding testing to your list, as they are only installed on request
00:39<demititan>i need a lil help using back track 4
00:39<demititan>if anyone could kindly offer me sum help
00:39<gsimmons>demititan: BackTrack is not supported here, join #backtrack-linux on irc.freenode.net instead.
00:40<demititan>oh
00:40<demititan>how would i go about that
00:40<demititan>im just startin to get into this
00:41<demititan>btw, wat is supported here?
00:41<jasper>debian
00:41<MangueBoy>ryan22, nice man, is it a program?
00:42<ryan22>MangueBoy: it's another repository you add to your sources list ;)
00:42<acu>!paste
00:42<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>.
00:42<MangueBoy>ryan22, nice man
00:42<jpinx-eeepc>MangueBoy: I specifially told you to use lenny/stable
00:43<MangueBoy>ryan22, im migrating from ubuntu to debian
00:43<jpinx-eeepc>and backports if you suffer from sns
00:43<jpinx-eeepc>!sns
00:43<dpkg>Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>.
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00:43<MangueBoy>HUAEHUHEAUHUEHAUEHAUEAUEHEA
00:43<MangueBoy>jpinx-eeepc, nice man aheuahuheuaeh
00:44<MangueBoy>jpinx-eeepc, i 'm downoading debian 5 stable . it's leny, isn't it?
00:44<jpinx-eeepc>yes
00:44<MangueBoy>NICE
00:44<MangueBoy>i like ubuntu but i think it is not stable even for desktop
00:45<ryan22>ubuntu is the definition of sns ;)
00:45<MangueBoy>HAUEHUEAHUHEUHEUHEUHEAUAH
00:45<jpinx-eeepc>debian stable is called stable because it is stable ;)
00:45<MangueBoy>nice man
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00:47<MangueBoy>i was running a game trough wine, then it crahses and i my wireless driver stopped working in ubuntu
00:47<MangueBoy>this sucks man
00:47<MangueBoy>had to instaall driers agai
00:47<ryan22>karmic or lucid?
00:47<MangueBoy>again
00:47<MangueBoy>lucid
00:48<ryan22>ah ya lucid is kinda unstable atm
00:48<ryan22>the bootloader was borken the day before they released it
00:48<ryan22>EPIC FAIL :P
00:48<MangueBoy>man
00:48<jpinx-eeepc>sounds like ooboontoo ;)
00:48<MangueBoy>i'm gonna buy something to eat
00:49<MangueBoy>thank u
00:49<MangueBoy>:D
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01:10<magnimus>Is anyone free to help me out with a debian install?
01:13<jm_>!anyone
01:13<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
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01:14<MangueBoy>qhuhauehuahue
01:15<MangueBoy>man that's the first time i join this channel
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01:15<MangueBoy>and the !word system is very funny LOL
01:16<MangueBoy>pretty ironic
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01:16<nirmalUPGRADING>magnimus, ok you tell whats your problem everybody here will try to help you
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01:17<magnimus>I have xp on one drive and I'm trying to the netinst on my other drive, I have a cable modem but when I get into the install non of the mirrors are up for package downloads
01:18<magnimus>So I'm thinking that my internet connection just isn't being seen
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01:19<jm_>and what manages your internet connection otherwise?
01:19<magnimus>cox :)
01:19<jm_>no, in your house
01:19<magnimus>Normally, a cablem modem routed through a linksys wireless
01:20<jm_>right, so a router - is wireless its only option?
01:20<jm_>and other computers - do they use DHCP?
01:20<magnimus>I don't think so, for the computer in question i was just jacking the ethernet cable from the cablem modem into the nic on the computer, bypassing the router
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01:21<magnimus>Because I was certain the debian install wouldn't autoinstall my wireless card
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01:21<jm_>are you sure your cable modem is not restricted to a given MAC address?
01:22<magnimus>I really don't know, should I trying running an ethernet cable from modem to router then to computer?
01:22<magnimus>Instead of from modem straight to computer?
01:22<jm_>yeah I recommend you do it that way
01:23<magnimus>Gotta scrounge around for another cable that I probably don't have, but thanks for your help
01:24<jm_>alternative is to of course get wireless working, but that's done after the install
01:24<magnimus>Yea, kind of a catch 22 found that extra cable though
01:24<jm_>it's not that hard since you have working connection from other computers, just more manual work
01:24<magnimus>Now windows xp which is up on that computer can use the ethernet cable directly connected to the router
01:25<magnimus>So I'm gonna reinstall and see if debian can use it as well
01:25<jm_>ok so I suppose configure your debian machine to get IP via DHCP and you shall be fine
01:25<magnimus>Yea, I really don't want to have to download and burn every package
01:25<jm_>no need to reinstall
01:25<magnimus>Yea, it'll auto detect the dhcp since I'm jacked into the router?
01:26<jm_>it should yes
01:27<magnimus>yup, succeeded
01:28<magnimus>Since I did all the partition and installation of the base already, I should be able to skip those and go right to package installation right?
01:28<jm_>no
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02:07<nirmalUPGRADING>magnimus, r u there
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02:07<mkad>HI
02:08<mkad>I got access granted for collab-maint, how do I create git repository ?
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02:10<happy>there is nothing i can do
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02:13<happy>why do you pay no attention to me
02:13<mkad>happy, who are You talking to
02:16<happy>i'm talking to everyone
02:16<jm_>we hate happy people
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02:19<happy>maybe myself
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02:30<EmleyMoor>I'm getting some reports of packages not being authenticated... looks like the key on lenny has expired...
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02:31<EmleyMoor>Ah, a reload fixed
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04:13<Rudd-O>hello, i do not know where else to go. does anybody here come from buenos aires? I need someone to rescue a suicidal person who drank a bottle of pills, RIGHT NOW
04:13<Rudd-O>sorry if this is the wrong topic, but I ahve no fucking idea where else to go
04:13<koollman>and you arrived here ... how ?
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04:13<Rudd-O>channel with lots of people who has helped me before
04:14<koollman>if you aren't joking, and that irc is your first idea of a way to save someone from suicide... well, it's a bit sad
04:14<Rudd-O>IT IS MY LAST RESORT
04:14<Rudd-O>I have tried four different irc networks after trying to call 15 different numbers in buenos aires
04:14<Rudd-O>I am in the u s
04:14<nitbix>Rudd-O: 911
04:14<Rudd-O>nobody in argentininan networks and stuff
04:15<Rudd-O>nitbix: please, I cannot dial 911 and ask them to send an ambulance to zelarrayan 574 in buenos aires!!!!!!!!
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04:15<Rudd-O>can someone help me? this is FOR REAL
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04:16<jmm>don't ask to ask, just ask.
04:16<Rudd-O>FUCK
04:16*jmm lol
04:17*jpinx-eeepc wonders if they were debian pills?
04:18<zeroXten_>Rudd-O: http://www.allaboutar.com/eg.htm ?
04:19<Rudd-O> Icannot call these numbers
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04:20<EmleyMoor>Not even as 011 54 11 & 8 digits?
04:20<zeroXten>US embassy? (54) (11) 5777-4533
04:20<zeroXten>(54) (11) 4514-1830
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04:20<zeroXten>http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/cis/cis_1130.html
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04:27<Rudd-O>gracias, gracias, thanks
04:27<Rudd-O>thanks for the urgency nmbers
04:27<Rudd-O> just called now
04:27<zeroXten>cool, which one worked?
04:27<Rudd-O>the allaboutar address
04:28<zeroXten>ah k
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04:30<zeroXten>I was once working a lateshift and found a colleague/friend came on line after downing a bottle of wine + bottle of pills... took a few phone calls to find out where he lived
04:30<zeroXten>bah.. gone
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04:31<grummund>what's the correct way to allow non-root access to a usb scanner?
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04:32<locklace>grummund: chmod
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04:33<zeroXten>ACLs?
04:33<EmleyMoor>grummund: This is usually done by adding the users to the group that owns the scanner
04:33<zeroXten>hmm
04:33<zeroXten>do they work on devs?
04:33<grummund>it's a USB scanner
04:34<grummund>/etc/udev/rules.d/z60_libsane.rules looks a likely candidate, but other howtos have mentioned hotplug
04:34<locklace>!hotplug
04:34<dpkg>hotplug was a package providing scripts to enable device hotplugging in Linux. http://linux-hotplug.sf.net/ Superseded by udev, removed from Debian post-Etch to resolve bug #428692. Ask me about <udev>.
04:34<EmleyMoor>hotplug is old hat
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04:42<grummund>heh. adduser to group 'scanner' fixed it ;)
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06:48<bricky>disk usage analyzer is sooo keyyyyy
06:48<bricky>im ready to start ripping apart windows.
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06:50<bricky>ahh linux runs soo good fresh format
06:50<lancelot_of>hi all
06:50<icebrain>hi lancelot_of
06:51<bricky>why am I on #debian lol.
06:51<jais>hello
06:51<icebrain>!lol
06:51<dpkg>If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user.
06:51<lancelot_of>i'd like to increase the "intrinsic" volume of an mp3 file, howto?
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06:52<bricky>oh god linux runs so nice on my 2.0 ghz
06:53<bricky>and disk usage analyzer is still in the background, didnt notice lol
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06:55<icebrain>lancelot_of: you can use lame with --scale to reencode them, but you'll lose quality
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06:56<bricky>wow I am finding stuff that I didnt even know where it went before on windows O.O
06:57<bricky>lol.
06:57<icebrain>lancelot_of: but if your player supports replaygain and APE tags, you can try mp3gain to adjust the volume without quality loss
06:57<lancelot_of>icebrain, maybe some quality loss will be acceptable considering the new mp3 will be a ringtone
06:58<icebrain>lancelot_of: well, then it should only be a matter of doing "lame --scale 1.5 OLDFILE NEWFILE"
06:58<lancelot_of>icebrain, and with mp3gain what should i do?
06:59<icebrain>1.5 means it'll gain 50% to the current volume
06:59<icebrain>lancelot_of: never used it, sorry.
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07:07<locklace>lancelot_of: aptitude install sox
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07:26<nitbix>is anyone familiar with preseed? I'm trying to get a preseed file together for some servers but I can't figure out how to exclude X
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07:38<cheryl>test
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07:38<jpinx-ee1pc>fail
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07:40<cheryl>http://www.freetelecombooks.com/ethernet-passive-optical-networks/
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07:51<axius>hello, i've got a computer with intel i3 and an intel on-board video card and have the following problem: when using the VGA port with my lcd display there is a constant flicker, like the image is trembling, when using the DVI port the image is ok. I've tried different monitors that have both ports and i've tried 2 different VGA cables. Where should i look to see if it's a software problem with the VGA port ? (linux kernel 2.6.34 atm but i tried 2.6.32 and 2.6
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07:52<mjt>i3 and onboard video?
07:52<axius>yeah
07:52<axius>it's an asus barebone pc
07:52<mjt>they don't produce motherboards with onboard video for i3/i5
07:53<mjt>the gpu is in the cpu :)
07:53<mjt>it's not on "board"
07:53<mjt>treat it as nitpicking if you like :)
07:53<axius>oh :)
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07:54<mjt>and vga vs dvi issues like your describe is actually quite common
07:54<axius>i ment to say i don't have an additional card ..
07:54<axius>oh
07:54<axius>i see
07:54<mjt>not intel-specific
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07:54<mjt>and much more common on higher resolutions too
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07:55<axius>my issue is with the fact that my own monitor doesnt have a dvi port and dont have an adapter at hand :P
07:55<mjt>i had to replace a few vga cables with dvi in order to stop that flickering. It were with nvidia onboard gpu
07:55<axius>so ... what should i do ? buy an adapter or try to solve it ?
07:55<mjt>i'm not saying _your_ issue is like that, just throwing some info
07:56<axius>ok :)
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07:56<axius>well, the bootup process is flicker free .. only after i get to the login screen it starts
07:56<locklace>axius: what version of debian
07:56<mjt>after it changes resolution
07:56<mjt>what resolution it is running at?
07:57<axius>squeeze
07:57<mjt>if it's more than 1280x1024 (for 4:3), you really want dvi :)
07:57<mjt>like, 1600+ almost never works over vga
07:58<jm_>it works fine for me
07:58<axius>640x480 and still flickers :) it's native resolution is 1380x768
07:58<mjt>ok, almost never worked for me
07:59<mjt>tried swapping something - monitor , cable or the pc?
07:59<axius>well yeah :)
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07:59<axius>like i said earlier ... i tried 3 monitors, 2 have both ports and mine has only the vga one... and all flicker on vga but not on dvi
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08:00<axius>have tried 2 vga cables on all 3 monitors :) and they all flicker
08:00<axius>so it's safe to say the problem is somewere in the pc :)
08:00<axius>i tried 3 different kernels (2.6.30, 2.6.32 and 2.6.34)
08:00<mjt>other possibility is to move stuff around, it also happens when some interference is around
08:01<jm_>which driver are you using? how about vesa - does that flicker too?
08:01<axius>haven't played with drivers yet .. don't know how .... (i realise i probably should have started with that)
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08:01<axius>i don't have a /etc/X11/xorg.conf
08:01<mjt>see Xorg.log :)
08:02<mjt>but it's difficult to parse it
08:02<jm_>grep _drv /var/log/Xorg.0.log
08:02<jm_>ask dpkg about "kms" to learn how to disable it
08:02<mjt>by default it loads both vesa and more specific ones. And fb. Or tries to, anyway.
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08:03<axius>last line is evdev_drv.so
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08:03<mjt>no, thats unrelated
08:03<jm_>that's input, you are looking for other lines
08:04<axius>intel_drv.so vesa_drv.so fbdev_drv.so
08:04<mjt>like intel_drv :)
08:04<mjt>aha
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08:04<axius>and after those lines there are unloading for vesa and fbdev
08:04<axius>so i guess it the intel one being used
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08:05<jm_>try without KMS using vesa (or maybe with intel, but no idea if that still works)
08:05<axius>how do i disable KMS and specify vesa as a drv ?
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08:06<jm_>!tell axius -about kms
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08:06<jm_>you'll need to write xorg.conf for vesa or somehow have it fallback to it
08:06<axius>thx
08:08<mjt>why they still produce monitors w/o a digital input is completely unclear to me
08:09<jm_>does it flicker in BIOS too?
08:09<axius>no
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09:24<mister_x>http://www.pratimai.info/?id=8929
09:26<ao2>hi someone with access to wiki.debian.org? I've found a typo but I don't feel like creating an account right now
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09:26<mister_x>Who Want to Come isigiti FREE PSP or PlayStation 3 console http://www.pratimai.info/?id=8929
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09:26<locklace>!ops mister_x
09:26<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: locklace complains about: mister_x
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09:31<gsimmons>ao2: You need to state where it is.
09:32<ao2>gsimmons, sure http://wiki.debian.org/Alioth/Git#Convertremotetagsandbranchestolocalone
09:32<ao2>the line: rm -rf .git/svn .git/{logs/,}refs/remotes/tags/
09:32<ao2>should be: rm -rf .git/svn .git/{logs/,}refs/remotes/svn/
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09:34<ao2>gsimmons, because we are removing git-svn references there, not tags. Verified on a svn repo I am migrating
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09:46<gsimmons>ao2: Change committed in revision 62.
09:47<ao2>gsimmons, thanks a lot
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10:16<BurnCut>Good afternoon.
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10:19<grimnar>Im trying to kill a mount -a job, but it still goes on, any other way of killing the process?
10:19<grimnar>(without reboot)
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10:21<ifvoid>BurnCut: wtf?
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10:22<BurnCut>ifvoid wtf?
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10:23<jpinx>grimnar: ps -e as root and kill -9 the process number
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10:23<grimnar>jpinx: , yeah, I have done that
10:23<jpinx>çdo it again ;)
10:24<grimnar>Done it about 20 times now :D
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10:24<jpinx>grimnar: I have had to kill -9 processes multiple times to get them to stop
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10:24<jpinx>grimnar: what does top tell you?
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10:25<grimnar>Nothing :)
10:25<jpinx>no process?
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10:25<jpinx>grimnar: was the process listed with ps -e ?
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10:25<grimnar> 3361 ? 00:00:00 mount
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10:26<mjt>killall mount
10:26<jpinx>grimnar: kill -9 3361
10:27<grimnar>yeah, done it all
10:27<grimnar>still there
10:27<jpinx>killall is a really blunt instrument ;)
10:27<locklace>grimnar: kernel or hardware fail
10:27<locklace>grimnar: what's the state flag in the output of ps ax
10:27*petemc guesses D
10:28<grimnar>root 3361 0.0 0.0 3476 732 ? D 03:49 0:00 mount -a
10:28<locklace>yeah
10:28<locklace>grimnar: what kernel version, and what kind of things do you have in fstab? what of the things in there has mounted and what has not
10:28<petemc>reboot or maybe wait it out
10:29<mjt>os -fwC mount actually... don't run `mount -a' on a live system :)
10:29<grimnar>locklace: 2.6.32-trunk-686
10:29<grimnar>petemc: Its been like this for 12 hours now
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10:29<mjt>s/os -fwC mount // :)
10:29<locklace>grimnar: that kernel's obsolete
10:29<petemc>grimnar: then the first option
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10:31<apprentice>I have two pc, with identical characteristics, such as creating image without shutting down or affect performance..?
10:31<apprentice>Thanks.
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10:31<petemc>Guest479: is that a question?
10:32<Guest479>Yes.
10:32<mjt>return -EPARSE
10:33<locklace>he meant s/such as creating/how do i create an/
10:33<locklace>!es Guest479
10:33<dpkg>Guest479: Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat
10:33<grimnar>locklace: Is it obsolete?
10:33<grimnar>My kernel that is
10:33<locklace>grimnar: yes. and you never answered the other questions
10:34<locklace>,kernels --release squeeze
10:34<judd>Available kernel versions are: squeeze: 2.6.32-3-686 (2.6.32-9)
10:34<grimnar>locklace: any other thing in my fstab are mounted, no troubles
10:34<Guest479>English is not my native language, only expect help from the community.
10:35<locklace>grimnar: everything in fstab is mounted and working?
10:35<grimnar>locklace: but I have a disk with some problems, so its probably that
10:35<Guest479>In debian-es, it is not possible
10:35<grimnar>locklace: yeah
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10:35<locklace>grimnar: yeah, that's the most likely thing. but still, update your kernel
10:35<locklace>grimnar: also hw faults should usually produce characteristic kernel messages, check dmesg output
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10:36<grimnar>locklace: Im having some I/O problems with the disk :)
10:37<Guest479>Petemc I hope your answer. Thanks.
10:37<petemc>i hope so too
10:37<petemc>np
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10:40<grimnar>locklace: I was trying to update stuff, no everything hangs with libsensors4 :(
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10:44<grimnar>*reboots*
10:44<grimnar>:D
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10:45<Master>quit
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10:47<Aleric>I just ran memtest86, but all it does is crash itself :(
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10:49<fernando>español como
10:49<grimnar>hah, the computer refuses to reboot
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10:50<locklace>!es fernando
10:50<dpkg>fernando: Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat
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10:50<Guest482>thank you
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11:08<carnage>hey, i'm having some trouble installing from a usb stick. i wrote the cd iso to the stick with unetbootin and it boots but when it goes to look for the cd in the installer and i go to manually mount the usb stick to /cdrom it won't work
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11:09<Ganneff>cos you didnt follow instructions
11:09<carnage>which instructions?
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11:09<Ganneff>simply cp the iso to the prepared key
11:09<Ganneff>those on our website
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11:10<carnage>how is it bootable then?
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11:12<Ganneff>read the docs
11:12<carnage>i did
11:12<Ganneff>its very well explained
11:12<carnage>i tried the method in ch04s03 and it didn't boot at all
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11:13<chl>I checked freedesktop.org (http://dri.freedesktop.org/wiki/ATIRadeon), reading that "Radeon card naming and support information" for 2D and 3D support are available. Does it mean that x2300 is supported for 3D acceleration (X2300 denotes a RV550 based card. ...)?
11:13<ryan22>chl: i don't believe it is in stable
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11:14<ryan22>you need kernel 2.6.33 for it to be fully supported
11:15<ryan22>it is likely in unstable, probably not in testing
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11:15<chl>ryan22: thanks. is kernel 2.6.33 fully supporting those card listed? or is there any e.g. table indicating their impl progress?
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11:15<ryan22>ubuntu 10.04 supports 3d on your card
11:15<ryan22>its basic 3d though and a little slow, about as fast as intel
11:16<ryan22>good enough for compositing and desktop use, not great for gaming
11:16<chl>ryan22: thanks. that's a good news for me : )
11:16<ryan22>chl: no prob
11:17<Metrahla>does anyone knows why xfce doesnt do acpi the same way has gnome?
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11:21<Metrahla>or maybe i could type something on the terminal to make my PC sleep
11:22<ryan22>Metrahla: do you have xfce-power-manger installed?
11:22<ryan22>*manager
11:22<Metrahla>ryan22, ive just found a command on the terminal called sleep, can that work?
11:23<Metrahla>ryan22, yes, but it will only shut down
11:23<Metrahla>ryan22, oh..hold on im not shure.. maybe i could install that
11:23<ryan22>Metrahla: you can try.
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11:25<Metrahla>ryan22, the sleep command doesnt applies to that, and the xfce-power-manager package cant be found :S
11:26<Metrahla>the sleep will pause the terminal
11:26<Metrahla>funny tag...
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11:28<ryan22>Metrahla: try xfce4-power-manager
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11:31<Metrahla>ryan22, no :S .. it got acpi on the settings panel.. it will only shut down however..
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11:32<ryan22>yep xfce4-power-manager is the name
11:33<ryan22>what is your computer, a laptop or desktop
11:33<Metrahla>ryan22, strange.. i dont got that on synaptics :S
11:33<Metrahla>lap
11:33<ryan22>and do you have acpi-support installed
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11:34<Metrahla>i think so , on the settings panel i got acpi ... may i be using a wrong repo?
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11:34<Metrahla>(like i say the acpi will only shut down, but i got the acpi option)
11:35<ryan22>try upgrading to xfce 4.6.1 via backports, im going to see if stable has xfce4-power-manager
11:35<ryan22>nope it doesnt
11:35<Metrahla>ryan22, i know that gnome can do shut down, sleep, hibernate ...
11:35<ryan22>so go to www.backports.org, add the back ports repo
11:35<Metrahla>eazyly
11:36<ryan22>ya the version in stable is too old
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11:36<Metrahla>ryan22, how i know im not using that version already ?
11:36<Metrahla>or how can i check my version ?
11:36<ryan22>they introduced the power manger in xfce 4.6, and stable has only 4.4
11:36<ryan22>you can right-click on the desktop and go to about
11:37<Metrahla>ryan22, mine is 4.4.2 :)
11:38<Metrahla>ryan22, ok so i can add a repo , googling into www.backports.org .. and run a good version of xfce
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11:39<ryan22>Metrahla: yep
11:39<Metrahla>ryan22, i apreciate alot for you time, ty
11:39<ryan22>Mehrahla: no prob
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12:10<sloosh>had a hiccup during an upgrade, and now init dies when I try to boot; I have the netinst booting from usb, so what do I need to be able to chroot to the installation and fix? it keeps trying to find an ISO if I do rescue mode.
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12:16<sloosh>okay, I chrooted to the install, but even 'ls' is giving 'segmentation fault'...
12:16<sloosh>does this mean I need to reinstall?
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12:18<jordanm>sloosh: hiccup == power outage?
12:19<sloosh>no, broken libc6
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12:19<jordanm>sloosh: care to elaborate? (such as pasting the error)
12:19<jordanm>!bat
12:19<dpkg>In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete output of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run (including the command you used); the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages and "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>.
12:19<themill>ouch
12:21<themill>see if you can find/download libc6_*.deb and then from outside the chroot, "dpkg -x /path/to/libc6*.deb /path/to/the/install"
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12:22<cesurasean>what is the package name for inetd?
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12:23<locklace>cesurasean: aptitude search inetd
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12:36<carnage>hey, i'm trying to do this usb install again, i setup the usb stick exactly like it says in the manual (ch4s03) and i'm still getting an error when it goes searching for the cdrom which appears to be mounted from /dev/loop0 on /cdrom according to df
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12:37<carnage>the df output also has this line in it though inbetween the tempfs and /dev/loop0 lines: df: /hd-media: Input/output error
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12:39<carnage>which is, i assume, why i get a cdrom-retriever: error: Unable to find 'pool/main/l/lvm2/lvm2-udeb-2.02.39-7_i386.udeb'. error
12:39<carnage>because when i try to go looking for that file in the emergency console i get input/output errors from ls
12:40<carnage>and the two errors in the debug screen are: kernel isofs: unable to reade i-node block
12:40<carnage>and an anna warning package retrieval failed
12:42<XayOn>carnage: looks like a broken iso for me.
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12:51<carnage>damn
12:51<carnage>i don't really want to download another one of those
12:51<carnage>so big
12:52<jordanm>its only 150mb
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12:52<carnage>this one is 650 or so
12:52<jordanm>you can't use that for USB install
12:52<carnage>really? the guide says you can
12:53<jordanm>only the business card or netinst CDs iirc, if you are following the official guide
12:53<jordanm>!ig
12:53<dpkg>The Debian Installation Guide for Lenny (5.0.4) can be found at http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/installmanual . See also <errata> and <installer firmware>.
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12:53<carnage>If you used an hd-media image, you should now copy a Debian ISO image (businesscard, netinst or full CD image; be sure to select one that fits) onto the stick.
12:54<carnage>http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03.html.en
12:55<carnage>the only other thing i can think of is a mismatch between the installer and the iso... i guess that's what you mean too eh... it also says here: The installation image and the CD image must be based on the same release of debian-installer.
12:56<jordanm>carnage: "After that, mount the USB memory stick (mount /dev/sdX /mnt), which will now have a FAT filesystem on it, and copy a Debian netinst or businesscard ISO image to it. Unmount the stick (umount /mnt) and you are done."
12:56<carnage>i'm wondering how i'd determine if they are the same
12:56<carnage>it says multiple times in the document that it can also use a full cd image
12:56<jordanm>the guide seems to contradict itself. I had always thought it was netinst or businesscard only, perhaps you should try just to see
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12:56<carnage>alright, i will
12:57<carnage>what's the difference between businesscard and netinstall anyway?
12:57<carnage>all i really need is the base system and wifi support i guess
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12:57<jordanm>carnage: sorry, I see now, you can only use the full cd if you follow "the flexible way" instead of "the easy way"
12:57<carnage>yeah, i did 'the flexible way'
12:57<jordanm>carnage: the netinst contains everything needed to install a base system. buisnesscard only includes the installer
12:58<carnage>but i'm thinking i still might try the business card or the netinst seeing as how i'm not sure what else to try next :p
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12:58<carnage>alright, netinst it is
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14:41<astronut>audio works on my system normally, but after creating a new user, adding them to the audio group and copying over my .asoundrc, this user gets "alsa-lib: pcm_dmix.c:977:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to create IPC semaphore"
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14:41<astronut>lsof shows there don't seem to be any handles...any pointers
14:41<Objection>Hello, I am currently using Debian Squeeze 64bit. I am wondering whether I should use the 2.6.32-trunk-amd64 or 2.6.32-3-amd64 kernel?
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14:43<craigevil>Objection: 2.6.32-3-amd64 , the trunk kernels had issues
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14:43<Objection>craigevil, Ah ok thanks.
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14:45<astronut>ok, it just seemd to have resolved itself...
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14:49<Objection>Bye
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15:03<deavid>i'm having several problems with my 1st hard drive: at firts it seems to work perfectly, it runs all the OS... but after time, the system gets frozen for minutes, after that seems to work. Several times I/O error gets printed onto tty0...
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15:04<petemc>deavid: check dmesg/syslog/messages
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15:04<deavid>i believed that I have to change my hard disk, but there is something bizarre: Whenever I check for bad blocks, I cant find any
15:04<deavid>from a liveCD the drive seems to work
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15:04<petemc>if the drive supports it you could try smartmontools
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15:07<valdyn>id rather believe badblocks than smartmontools
15:07<koollman>I wouldn't. they don't test the same things
15:07<deavid>there is something in messages
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15:08<ryan22>is the drive making weird griding noises?
15:08<valdyn>deavid: are you sure that those io errors are even related to the harddisk?
15:08<deavid>no
15:08<deavid>valdyn: the I/O errors points to sda, so yes
15:09<deavid>but i'm not sure if the problem it's really the hard drive
15:09<ryan22>it could be ram too
15:09<valdyn>i get those from an overheating southbridge on an usb disk
15:09<valdyn>( -> doesnt need to be disk related )
15:09<deavid>seems overheating too
15:09<deavid>because it gets worse when its hot
15:09<valdyn>and that southbridge is broken by design, not because my case is venilated badly
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15:10<deavid>this is a part of messages log: http://pastebin.com/45eZ7S9S
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15:10<deavid>after "16:46:26" i had to reboot, the system was inusable
15:10<deavid>i'm running kde4, and the KDE button was lost, the desktop unresposive, etc..
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15:11<ryan22>you could try laptop-mode-tools to tweak the hd usage
15:11<ryan22>to reduce the hd accesses
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15:11<valdyn>deavid: i would open the case and rerun the tests: sometimes thats enough to remove any heat problem
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15:12<deavid>valdyn: the case is already open, and the test were done with the case closed first and later done again opened
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15:12<valdyn>deavid: I see
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15:12<deavid>the results are very similar, probably it gives an extra bit of time before it gets frozen
15:13<valdyn>M/B Temp: +63.0°C vs CPU Temp: +46.0°C
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15:13<valdyn>deavid: can be alot of issues, broken psu for one, thats hard to diagnose
15:14<ryan22>deavid: proably your best option is regulating hd accessing via laptop-mode-tools
15:14<ryan22>at least until you can fix the hardware
15:14<deavid>ryan22: thanks for the hint, i want to try it now
15:15<ryan22>deavid: good guide: http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Laptop-mode-tools
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15:15<ryan22>the config file is very well commented, just make sure you set it to take effect if your computer is connected via ac
15:15<stuckey>hi
15:15<stuckey>how do I get chinese fonts?
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15:17<grummund>Hi, anyone have an idea how to redirect serial port comms to a *listening* tcp socket on the same machine?
15:17*grummund is considering netcat but wonders what else...
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15:20<deavid>it ocurred again: http://pastebin.com/x53r7trj i have to reboot now :-(
15:21<ryan22>deavid: try a memtest too
15:21<amphi>deavid: traumatic indeed ;)
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15:22<ryan22>deavid: ive had i/o problems that appeared to be caused by the hd, but were really cause by mismatched ram
15:22<ryan22>the mobo was just really picky :P
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15:24<mjt>mismatched?
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15:25<ryan22>mjt: i used a 533 mhz ram stick in a atom/ion mobo that required a 800 mhz ram
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15:25<ryan22>the ion mobos are REALLY picky about ram speed and voltage
15:26<mjt>all sane mobos will read the eeprom on the module and set up speed accordingly
15:26<mjt>but it is a bit more tricker if you try dual-channel config with different modules
15:26<petemc>grummund: socat
15:26<mjt>but ok, i see
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15:28<ryan22>mjt: this was signle channel. its cause the graphics chip has strict requirements. the system would boot fine, but video wouldnt play
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15:28<ryan22>ions boards are a pain
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15:29<mjt>it's difficult to find non-800MHz modules nowadays, too :)
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15:29<ryan22>if you can, a 512 MB 533 mhz stick is $13
15:29<ryan22>ya i cheaped out (it was kingston)
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15:30<mjt>i tried to find a 512Mb one for my diskless x terminal (also on atom). Ended up buying 2Gb 800MGz to replace an 1Gb 533MHz in laptop ;)
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15:34<ryan22>mjt: im still disappointed that ram has actually gone up in price over the last 2 years
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15:37<carles>hi, is this the right place to ask a question about the local host name in Debian 5?
15:37<mjt>yes carles
15:37<carles>great, I have checked everything online and couldnt find an answer: I have set my local host name in /etc/hosts and /etc/hostname
15:38<carles>I have checked that /etc/nsswitch.conf uses hosts: files dns
15:38<carles>but still, host can't resolve my hostname
15:38<carles>so my hostname is zonalo
15:38<carles>ping zonalo works fine
15:38<carles>but host zonalo returns nxdomain
15:38<petemc>host checks dns
15:38<mjt>actually not only dns
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15:39<mjt>but generally dns does not deal with bare names without dots
15:39<petemc>man host gives -- host - DNS lookup utility
15:39<mjt>ok, i stand corrected. there's /etc/host.conf to control that somewhat
15:40<mjt>petemc: see order in host.conf. i'm not sure if host utility uses that conffile.
15:40<carles>done that
15:40<koollman>carles: hosts make a dns check. it wouldn't check what you are trying to verify
15:40<carles>order hosts, bind
15:40<koollman>getent hosts yourhost
15:40<koollman>would be the easiest way I can think of
15:40<carles>so hosts doesn't use /etc/hosts at all?
15:41<carles>getent works fine: 127.0.1.1 zonalo zonalo.local zonalo.localdomain
15:41<carles>but host doesn't
15:41<koollman>sure.
15:41<koollman>as I said, host make a dns request. it would be only the 'bind' part of the configuration. it will not read /etc/hosts
15:42<mjt>s/bind/dns/ for nsswitch.conf
15:42<koollman>getent will do the request as the OS does. reading the config, using the proper calls, and all
15:42<carles>and hosts will go directly to a DNS server then?
15:43<koollman>yes
15:43<carles>skipping the local conf files?
15:43<carles>ok
15:43<carles>mjt: my nsswitch.conf:
15:43<carles>hosts: files dns
15:43<mjt>skipping local /etc/hosts, not local conf files.
15:43<koollman>well, different files.
15:43<carles>ok, understood
15:44<koollman>the 'host' tool will just read /etc/resolv.conf :)
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15:44<carles>which is why I see a dns request that fails, since my dns server doesn't know about my hostname
15:45<carles>and why the program I am trying to run is failing, because it must use a dns request directly
15:45<carles>instead of doing whatever ping is doing, which uses /etc/hosts
15:45<mjt>which program it is?
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15:46<carles>rabbitmq
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15:46<carles>Error: unable to connect to node rabbit@zonalo: nodedown
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15:47<carles>I assume they're doing a dns lookup for zonalo instead of using gethostbyname() (which I assume reads /etc/hosts)
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15:48<nawaf>hello
15:48<mjt>i'm not sure if it uses dns directly. there's no need to, unless, well, unless it us using something more than A/PTR records or wants to resolve many names asyncronously
15:48<nawaf>anybody is here
15:48<nawaf>how are u
15:49<carles>that is what is puzzling me actually, why would they use dns directly
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15:49<locklace>nawaf: lots of debian users in saudi arabia?
15:49<mjt>carles: i you can try using strace - quite good debugging tool
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15:49<mjt>heh.
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15:50<carles>mjt: thanks, I'll give that a try
15:50<carles>koollman: thanks for your help
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15:51<mjt>especially look at ECONNREFUSED errors in strace output - my wild guess is that your server isn't running...
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15:53<carles>mjt: ok, will check that
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16:09<debacle>hi all, can anyone help me with backport ? I'm trying to install kernel 2.6.32 ... but i got this errors http://debian.pastebin.com/M8uhiQu1
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16:11<m42>debacle, maybe trying to install udev also will solve that issue....
16:11<themill>debacle: install the "linux-image-amd64" package from bpo instead (it will install the bpo.3 kernel not the bpo.4 kernel)
16:12<deavid>ryan22: thanks! now with that the problem almost dissapered... there remains something, when it tries to save syslog entries and sync. but there is something good: the system doesn't freeze :-D :-D
16:12<ryan22>lol no prob
16:12<ryan22>it also makes your system much quieter
16:12<ryan22>as the hd is usually the noisiest thing in the computer nowadays
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16:18<debacle>themill: i got this error (quite the same) http://debian.pastebin.com/yujdjfVr
16:19<themill>debacle: you probably want to get rid of linux-base
16:19<debacle>themill: i've used this command aptitude -t lenny-backports reinstall linux-image-amd64 is it ok ?
16:19<themill>debacle: aptitude -t lenny-backports reinstall linux-image-amd64 linux-base_
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16:19<themill>(the _ at the end is deliberate)
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16:21<debacle>themill: it seems to work !
16:22<themill>\o/
16:22<themill>jordanm: that is actually in the manual ;) much of aptitude's power isn't, but that is!
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16:40<nima_>hi, i install xfce distro on my lenovo netbook s10-3 when i right click on desktop xfdesltop cpu usage = 100% for 15 sec or more what i can for fix this prob?
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16:42<nima_>hi, i install xfce distro on my lenovo netbook s10-3 when i right click on desktop xfdesktop cpu usage = 100% for 15 sec or more what i can for fix this prob?
16:44<ryan22>debian stable has an older version of xfce4 that may not be optimized
16:44<ryan22>you can try backports
16:44<ryan22>!backports
16:44<dpkg>[backport] a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.org/ . Ask me about <backports.org> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>.
16:44<allyourbass>nima, how much memory do you have? is there a lot of HDD activity as well?
16:44<jordanm>I still use the older packages just fine...
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16:44<nima_>allyourbass, 1 GB of ram
16:44*jordanm debated upgrading xfce4 to backports but did not because of the machine being in production
16:44<ryan22>jordanm: they dont have power manager. which makes it quite useless on a laptop
16:44<jordanm>nima_: what version of debian?
16:45<jordanm>ryan22: ah. luckily doesn't effect me
16:45<nima_>jordanm, debian GNU/Linux 2.6.32
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16:46<jordanm>nima_: alright, so now its narrowed down to 3 versions...
16:46<jordanm>!version
16:46<dpkg>Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a, or cat /proc/version. Do cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} which should grab almost all distributions.
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16:47<nima_>jordanm, squeez
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16:48<jordanm>nima_: so essentially opening up the menu is slow and very CPU intensive?
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16:50<nima_>jordanm, i use top command in terminal and show me fxdesktop cpu usage = 100 % for 15 sec and more and every think hang when xfdesktop cpu usage=100%
16:50<ryan22>ya try upgrading xfce4
16:50<jordanm>nima_: this occurs at random or when you do something in particular?
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16:51<jordanm>ryan22: that would mean an upgrade to sid for him, since he is on squeeze
16:51<ryan22>wait squeez
16:51<jordanm>,versions xfdesktop4
16:51<judd>xfdesktop4 -- etch: 4.3.99.1-1; etch-backports: 4.4.2-1~bpo40+2; lenny: 4.4.2-7; lenny-backports: 4.6.1-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 4.6.1-1; sid: 4.6.2-1
16:51<nima_>jordanm, no not random just when i click on my desktop
16:51<ryan22>nm, squeeze has the newer xfce4
16:52<ryan22>ive had that issue on my atom with ubuntu
16:52<ryan22>i think its just a general xfce issue with atoms
16:52<jordanm>nima_: can you provide a strace of when it spikes?
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16:54<jordanm>nima_: strace -p $(pgrep xfdesktop4) &> xftrace.txt
16:54<nima_>jordanm, w8 plz master
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16:55<nima_>jordanm, sorry i can't understand can you say it simpler please
16:55<jordanm>nima_: I have head out for a few, just link me the pastebin and I will have a look when I get back. also, there is #debian-xfce on irc.freenode.net
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16:56<jordanm>nima_: run this command: strace -p $(pgrep xfdesktop4) &> xftrace.txt; right click your desktop to spike the CPU, immediatly kill strace with ctrl+c then pastebin the resulting xftrace.txt file
16:56<jordanm>sorry, I mean immediatly kill once the spike is over
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17:00<nima_>jordanm, your cm not work
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17:01<AllenJohnson>nima_, what was the error it gave ?
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17:02<nima_>AllenJohnson, err for cmd of jordanm ? this comd do nothing
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17:02<AllenJohnson>yes the command that jordanm gave,
17:02<nima_>AllenJohnson, again when i right click on my desktop xfdesktop cpu usage=100%
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17:03<nima_>cmd of jordanm master do nothing AllenJohnson master
17:03<AllenJohnson>nima_, when you run the command it will look as if nothing is happening
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17:04<AllenJohnson>then after you click on the desktop and the cpu usage goes to 100% after about 15 seconds or so when it goes back down
17:04<AllenJohnson>return to the terminal and press "ctrl+c"
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17:04<nima_>AllenJohnson, no not happen just go to the next line master
17:05<AllenJohnson>hmm...
17:05<grummund>how can i enable the echo service from inetd? it is uncommented in inetd.conf and i did /etc/init.d/inetd restart, but there's nothing listening on port 7.
17:06<grummund>hmm, nvm. now it works...
17:07<nima_>AllenJohnson, ctrl+c then ... master
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17:07<AllenJohnson>nima_
17:07<AllenJohnson>yes
17:08<nima_>AllenJohnson, yes ? what master?
17:08<AllenJohnson>can you pastebin the contents of your terminal?
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17:08<nima_>AllenJohnson, yes i can
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17:09<nima_>AllenJohnson, but jordanm cmd ?
17:10<AllenJohnson>nima_ hold on im checking out the command as i run it on my machine
17:10<nima_>AllenJohnson, ok psir
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17:10<nima_>AllenJohnson, ok sir
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17:12<retrospectacus>for some reason when I double-click (or right-click and choose "Open" or "Browse Folder") on a shortcut on the desktop to a network share it fires up gedit which says "smb://inicio/notsobigtom/ is a directory." ... going to that share through the Places menu works correctly, opening nautilus. wtf?
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17:13<AllenJohnson>nima_, from the terminal try "pgrep xfdesktop"
17:13<AllenJohnson>without quotes
17:13<nima_>AllenJohnson, yes sir
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17:14<nima_>AllenJohnson, output 2102
17:14<AllenJohnson>ok lets try this "strace -p $(pgrep xfdesktop) &> xftrace.txt"
17:14<AllenJohnson>without quotes
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17:15<nima_>AllenJohnson, do nothing
17:15<AllenJohnson>now ctrl+c
17:15<nima_>AllenJohnson, whold you like dpaste it u can see it sir?
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17:15<AllenJohnson>nima_, yes
17:16<nima_>AllenJohnson, yes sir
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17:17<nima_>AllenJohnson, dpaste.com/202029/ sir
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17:18<nima_>AllenJohnson, u see that sir?
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17:18<felo>he
17:18<felo>hey
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17:19<AllenJohnson>nima_, check your irc client im talking to you in a PM
17:19<felo>helpme please install pylzma debian lenny
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17:23<felo>ayuda
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17:24<amphi>!es
17:24<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat
17:24<felo>ok tanks
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17:32<ruben>sera a tutti
17:33<ml|>!it
17:33<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
17:34<ruben>mica qualcuna sa come far funzionare adattatore wifi usb modello tp-link tl-wn722n in ubuntu 10.04
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17:34<ruben>a thank you
17:34<ml|>ruben: Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net)
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17:40<jordanm>AllenJohnson: nima_: please keep support in the main channel... I was interested in this issue
17:41<AllenJohnson>jordanm, he is pasting the contents as we speak
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17:41<AllenJohnson>had to get him to install strace
17:41<grummund>Hi, any socat experts out there?
17:41<jordanm>yes, installation of the suggested command is often a prerequisite
17:42<jordanm>!anyone
17:42<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
17:42<jordanm>AllenJohnson: FWIW, we have the !installit factoid
17:42<retrospectacus>I used socat once to tunnel DNS
17:43<AllenJohnson>ill have to remember that
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17:45<jordanm>AllenJohnson: share a server with something for IRC?
17:45<AllenJohnson>?
17:45<grummund>it's a tricky question, only for a real socat pro :P
17:45<grummund>when creating a pipe between a serial port and a TCP socket is it possible to delay the connect to the TCP socket until data has been received from the /dev/ttyS
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17:47<jordanm>AllenJohnson: sorry, its OT, I just was your host is running running a personal website, but not for an "Allen"
17:47<jordanm>grummund: if that is the case, I personally would check for a socat specific channel of mailing list
17:47<jordanm>or mailing list
17:48<AllenJohnson>jordanm, yeah im on a friends network he runs all his own stuff
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17:49<AllenJohnson>jordanm, he says the file is to large to pastebin ..... so he is emailing it to me. i will post the url asap
17:51<jordanm>AllenJohnson: some pastebin services allow for larger ammounts of text than others
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17:51<jordanm>AllenJohnson: I used to use dpaste when things were too big for other places, seemed they have a more relaxed limit
17:52<jordanm>dpaste.com I mean
17:52<AllenJohnson>thats what he was using
17:52<AllenJohnson>said its like 13000 lines ?!
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17:53<jordanm>strace poduces tons of stuff, yes. I was trying to explain to him to do it so that strace is only running when the issue is occuring, hoping for less size
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17:57<AllenJohnson>jordanm, this file is almost 14mb uncompressed do you want the tar.gz?
17:57<jordanm>!paste
17:57<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>.
17:57<jordanm>AllenJohnson: have him upload it to wikisend.com
17:57<jordanm>AllenJohnson: and move support to the support channel...
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17:58<jordanm>(/ignore <user> PRIV) is useful for that)
17:58<AllenJohnson>i have a server i can paste it on i just need to know if you want the uncompressed .txt file or the tar.gz
18:03<AllenJohnson>jordanm, http://savenet.org/hosted/debian/xftrace.txt.tar.gz
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18:06<jordanm>AllenJohnson: I recommend intall NTP on your server
18:06<AllenJohnson>savenet.org?
18:06<AllenJohnson>its a shared hosting via godaddy
18:08<AllenJohnson>jordanm, or are you talking about the ip that im connecting from, in that case ive already tried to convince the admin to install it
18:08<AllenJohnson>to no avail
18:08<jordanm>ah, right
18:08<jordanm>is that user not even in this channel anymore?
18:08<AllenJohnson>he is still pm'ing me to death
18:08<jordanm>ignore priv...
18:09<nima_>jordanm, no plz dont ignore
18:09<jordanm>nima_: I recommend installing NTP, your date is wrong
18:09<nima_>jordanm, date?/
18:09<Sara>Data*
18:10<jordanm>nima_: check /home/nima/Templates/ for permission problems. does your user own that directory (and subdirs)?
18:10<jordanm>Sara: nope, date :)
18:10<Sara>Oh, then I apolagize
18:10<jordanm>the date on that file I was sent was 2010-6-3
18:10<jordanm>(two days in the future)
18:10<nima_>jordanm, oh yeah my date is wrong
18:10<jordanm>!set time
18:10<dpkg>To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install <ntp> or <openntpd> to have their clock set automatically on reboot and slewed to match time servers. You may also need to run dpkg-reconfigure tzdata (lenny and later) or tzconfig (etch and earlier) to set the time zone, and verify the UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS prior.
18:11<nima_>jordanm, because we use shamsi date
18:11<nima_>jordanm, if time is set it will be ok?
18:11<jordanm>your fine...
18:12*jordanm was not aware there were places that do not use the gregorian calander
18:12<jordanm>nima_: check the permissions and ownership on that dir mentioned above
18:13<nima_>jordanm, ok plz w8
18:14<nima_>jordanm, so very tnx
18:14<nima_>jordanm, im so stupid
18:15<nima_>jordanm, i most cp my web template in other directory
18:15<nima_>jordanm, when i right click xfdesctop try to open 14000 my template
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18:16<nima_>jordanm, thank you so much sir AllenJohnson Sara
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18:16<Sara>I did not contribute.
18:16<Sara>But I am happy you have things sorted.
18:16<jordanm>nima_: your welcome
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18:18<nima_>i learned from you si jordanm AllenJohnson sara tnx so much
18:18<nima_>can i get your emails? jordanm AllenJohnson
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18:21<nima_>Have good night masters jordanm AllenJohnson
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18:32<AllenJohnson>ok i missed it his problem was 14000 template files on the desktop?
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18:42<jordanm>AllenJohnson: not on his desktop, unless he configured his desktop to be his homedir
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19:19<grimnar>kernel --squeeze
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19:19<grimnar>kernel
19:19<grimnar>ok
19:19<grimnar>:)
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19:23<grimnar>Word on the street, Im having an outdated kernel
19:23<grimnar>What is the best way to update?
19:23<grimnar>update/upgrade
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19:24<ml|>judd: kernels --release squeeze
19:24<judd>Available kernel versions are: squeeze: 2.6.32-3-686 (2.6.32-9)
19:24<grimnar>ah, there it was :D
19:25<ml|>grimnar: what arch?
19:25<grimnar>squeeze
19:26<grimnar>if that is the arch
19:26<grimnar>2.6.32-trunk-686 #1 SMP
19:26<grimnar>Is the one installed
19:26<ml|>686 is the rach
19:26<ml|>arch*
19:26<ml|>squeeze is the release
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19:27<grimnar>Not sure if its the right one
19:28<ml|>aptitude search '~i ~n(linux-image)' see if you have the meta-package
19:28<grimnar>Running on a Core Duo
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19:29<grimnar>I guess I have the packages
19:29<grimnar>"i" in front of every line :D
19:30<ml|>pastebin that
19:30<grimnar>http://pastebin.com/ALm5a65R
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19:32<ml|>the first package is the meta-package, so after update then full-upgrade should always install the newest kernel for squeeze
19:33<grimnar>hmm
19:33<ml|>grimnar: you should reboot into linux-image-2.6.32-3-686 and purge the trunk-kernel
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19:35<grimnar>Okay
19:35<ml|>It's a good idea to have atleast two kernels installed at all times
19:35<grimnar>And I dont?
19:35<ml|>you have three
19:35<grimnar>heh
19:36<ml|>just saying as a general rule, incase the kernel does not work well for you
19:36<grimnar>yeah
19:36<ml|>*the new
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19:36<grimnar>But why should I purge the working one I'm using right now?
19:38<ml|>that was uploaded to testing by accident
19:38<grimnar>yeah, but it *is* working
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19:38<grimnar>Not so sure about the other ones
19:39<ml|>grimnar: also /msg dpkg trunk and kernel trunk ; ok, it's up to you and I said 'you should'
19:39<grimnar>yeah
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19:41<noah>ola
19:41<ml|>!es noah
19:41<dpkg>noah: Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat
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19:42<grimnar>ml|: But the 686-branch is the correct one for core duos?
19:42<grimnar>*core 2 duo
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19:43<ml|>yes, that's fine and some can even use amd64
19:44<grimnar>ah, yeah I just remembered
19:45<grimnar>Are there any significant difference between them?
19:45<ml|>most if not all recent core 2 duo should be able to use amd64; but some older ones don't
19:45<grimnar>Or will it rave some havoc with my installed programs and such?
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19:45<grimnar>okay, my cpu is about 2 years old
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19:45<grimnar>If not 3
19:46<ml|>well, you need to reinstall to use full 64bit
19:46<ml|>how much ram?
19:46<grimnar>ah
19:46<ml|>and useage?
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19:46<grimnar>4gb
19:46<grimnar>mail and http
19:47<larsie_>Hi. I cannot boot on my newly installed/compiled kernel 2.6.34. 'VFS: unable to mount root fs on unknown-block 0 0. furthermore my initrdr 'image' havent been made for 2.6.34. what to look for in my .config to fix this problem?
19:47<grimnar>samba
19:47<grimnar>And some use of kde when I'm home
19:48<ml|>generally for 3.3gb or greater should use amd64 install or use bigmem kernel; but it's not the same as a full amd64 install
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19:50<grimnar>okay
19:50<grimnar>I'll stick with the 686 arch until I do a new install
19:52<ml|>dpkg: info linux-image-686-bigmem
19:52<dpkg>linux-image-686-bigmem: (Linux for PCs with 4GB+ RAM (meta-package)), section kernel, is optional. Version: 2.6.32+27 (sid), Packaged size: 2 kB, Installed size: 32 kB
19:53<grimnar>hrmf, aptitude only goes up 2.6.32-trunk
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19:53<ml|>grimnar: find out first if your cpu supports 64bit tho
19:54<grimnar> cat /proc/cpuinfo will give me that?
19:54<qq->grimnar, try , aptitude update
19:54<qq->, kernels
19:54<judd>Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.34-1-686 (2.6.34-1~experimental.1); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-14); squeeze: 2.6.32-3-686 (2.6.32-9); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.4-686 (2.6.32-11~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-22lenny1); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2)
19:55<grimnar>linux-image-2.6.32-3-686 right?
19:55<qq->yes
19:55<grimnar>yeah
19:55<grimnar>:)
19:55<ml|>grimnar: egrep lm --color=always /proc/cpuinfo
19:56<grimnar>yeah?
19:56<grimnar>about 4 of them got red
19:56<grimnar>:D
19:56<ml|>if you see an output your cpu should support 64bit
19:56<grimnar>yeah
19:56<grimnar>great
19:57<grimnar>But I going to postpone that one until later this summer
19:57*qq- said no output here ..
19:57<grimnar>Only home until Thursday, then I'm leaving for work again
19:58<ml|>grimnar: you don't have too, just explaining
19:58<grimnar>yeah
19:58<grimnar>Thanks alot
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19:58<^Nirvana^>can someone help me hide my host? lol
19:58<grimnar>so now it's just aptitude install said-linux-image?
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19:59<ml|>but with amd64 or bigmem kernel you will use all your 4gb; but remember the kernel way is not true 64bit
20:00<ml|>grimnar: you already have the lastest testing kernel, just need to boot into it; uname -r
20:00<ml|>?
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20:01<grimnar>Sorry Im confused, someone here told me today I was running an outdated kernel
20:01<grimnar>And I had to update
20:01<ml|>uname -r
20:01<grimnar>2.6.32-trunk-686
20:02<themill>2.6.32-trunk-686 != 2.6.32-3-686
20:02<ml|>right like I said reboot into *-3-686
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20:02<ml|>and should purge the trunk kernel
20:02<grimnar>ah, there it is
20:02<grimnar>(I had to check with menu.lst)
20:03<grimnar>But, how the..
20:03<grimnar>Yeah, now I see
20:03<grimnar>http://pastebin.com/hW7AmWm8
20:04<grimnar>How come it's on line 12 then? and not on top?
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20:05<ml|>should be first
20:05<grimnar>yeah
20:06<grimnar>That is why I got confused
20:07<ml|>should just leave *-3 and 2.6.30*
20:07<grimnar>So I can remove the 2 at the top?
20:07<grimnar>edit menu.lst that is
20:08<grimnar>And put it under the 2.6.32-3
20:08<grimnar>(In case something goes wrong)
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20:08<ml|>you can do that if you want to keep trunk kernel; but if you purge that it will done for you
20:09<grimnar>Yeah, but Im afraid of purging right now
20:09<ml|>*will be
20:09<grimnar>Since Im leaving soon and such
20:09<ml|>you need to reboot into *-3 then purge
20:09<grimnar>yeah
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20:10<grimnar>But it's not like I need the free space
20:11<ml|>read what I explained above as to why you don't want the trunk kernel; but it is your choice
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20:14<grimnar>yeah
20:14<grimnar>Okay
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20:15<grimnar>Then I need to go upstairs, I can change the menu.lst right? And just reboot with ssh?
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20:17<ml|>if you are going to keep the trunk kernel, yes and/or reboot thru ssh; if not no, just reboot and select the *-3
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20:17<grimnar>Ok, Im going upstairs
20:17<grimnar>:D
20:17<grimnar>Manual work!
20:18<grimnar>:)
20:18<ml|>heh, have fun ;)
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20:24<grimnar>:D
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20:24<grimnar>2.6.32-3-686 #1 SMP
20:25<ml|>!congratulate grimnar
20:25<dpkg>Yay grimnar, you did it!
20:25<grimnar>Maybe this will fix some issues I'm having with my hard drives
20:26<grimnar>I have some raid-drives on a pci-controller (software setup) that wants to be /dev/sda no mather what. And it is suppose to be /dev/sdb and /dev/sdd
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20:26<grimnar>But anyways, how do I purge the old one? :D
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20:29<ml|>grimnar: aptitude purge name of trunk kernel
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20:31<grimnar>And what is going to update my menu.lst?
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20:32<ml|>grub
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20:32*grimnar feels stupid
20:33<ml|>!comfort grimnar
20:33<dpkg>There, there, grimnar. It's OK. I'm here for you.
20:33<grimnar>grub-*TAB* does not give me any usefull
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20:34<grimnar>and not update-*TAB
20:34<ml|>aptitude should take care of that when you purge the trunk package
20:35<grimnar>My earlier pastebin with menu.lst still stands
20:36<ml|>and you purged trunk kernel?
20:36<grimnar>yeah
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20:37<ml|>ok, update-grub should work
20:37<grimnar>bash: update-grub: command not found
20:37<ml|>as root
20:37<grimnar># whoami
20:37<grimnar>root
20:37<grimnar>:P
20:38<ml|>heh
20:38<grimnar>*im refusing to install grub2
20:38<ml|>guess I forgot the grub-legacy ways
20:38<grimnar>Yeah, google says I should do update-grub as well
20:39<grimnar>since menu.lst is grub-legacy, right?
20:39<ml|>yes
20:39<grimnar>I searched how to update menu.lst
20:39<grimnar>Strange
20:39<ml|>yeah, are you sure grub-pc is not installed?
20:40<grimnar>Package: grub-common
20:40<grimnar>Pin: version 1.98~20100115-1
20:40<grimnar>Pin-Priority: 1001
20:40<ml|>,versions grub-legacy
20:40<judd>grub-legacy -- sid: 0.97-61; squeeze: 0.97-61
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20:40<ml|>,versions grub-pc
20:40<judd>grub-pc -- etch-backports: 1.96+20080626-1~bpo40+2; lenny: 1.96+20080724-16; lenny-backports: 1.97~beta3-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 1.98-1; sid: 1.98+20100527-2
20:41*grimnar got confused
20:41<ml|>,versions grub-common
20:41<judd>grub-common -- etch-backports: 1.96+20080626-1~bpo40+2; lenny: 1.96+20080724-16; lenny-backports: 1.97~beta3-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 1.98-1; sid: 1.98+20100527-2
20:42<ml|>do you have /boot/grub/grub.cfg ?
20:43<grimnar>yeah
20:43<ml|>pastebin that
20:43<ml|>from the looks of it you are using grub2
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20:45<ml|>iirc grub2 is default on testing unless you do something to prevent using it
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20:45<grimnar>yeah, its pinned down
20:45<grimnar>Had some problems with it
20:45<grimnar>http://pastebin.com/eJx40L1U
20:46<ml|>ok, but look at you grub-common version that is an older version for grub2
20:46<grimnar>grub2 is in my view not even close to be a RC yet.
20:47<grimnar>sorry?
20:47<AllenJohnson>whats wrong with grub2?
20:48<koollman>it's an interesting remark ... grub1 is considered as not even existing anymore by grub developers. that leaves us with .. nothing ? or lilo, perhaps ;)
20:48<ml|>grimnar: don't know what's going on since you pinned to older version of grub2 and look at grub.cfg they are list in the same order as in menu.lst
20:48<grimnar>yeah
20:48<grimnar>I had grub2
20:49<grimnar>I might be some old rubbish from that one that is still here
20:50<grimnar>heh, NOW Im confused
20:50<ml|>pretty much all distros use grub2 by default
20:50<grimnar>I have grub2-splashimages installed, and that is working
20:50<grimnar>yeah
20:50<ml|>even if it'sreally 2... ;)
20:51<ml|>*even if it's really not 2... ;)
20:51<grimnar>dpkg -l | grep grub
20:51<dpkg>ii | grep grub 2.5-5.1 ultra s3kr1t #debian package
20:51<grimnar>http://pastebin.com/bU347KwL
20:51<CrypticS_>how does one set the system time and date? is there something like ntpd or ntpdate like on freebsd?
20:51<grimnar>But since Im running the old grub, I can remove the grub.cfg right?
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20:52<ml|>CrypticS_: /msg dpkg set time
20:52<grimnar>And manually edit the menu.lst and remove the trunk-park
20:52<grimnar>part*
20:52<CrypticS_>ml|: thanks
20:53<ml|>see grub-* are grub2
20:53<ml|>just older versions of current grub2
20:54<grimnar>AllenJohnson: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=567582
20:54<grimnar>AllenJohnson: look at some thread at forums.debian.org
20:55<AllenJohnson>oh boy
20:55<ml|>grimnar: but really don't know what's going on there for you as grub-legacy is not even listed; maybe try aptitude show grub-legacy
20:55<grimnar>State: not installed
20:56<ml|>see you are using grub2 it looks like again
20:56<grimnar>How can that be? Since its been pinned down?
20:57<grimnar>And I would have some grub-update/update-grub tools then?
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20:57<ml|>you pinned grub-common and to a older grub2 version look above when I did ,version grub*
20:58<grimnar>Package: grub-common
20:58<grimnar>State: installed
20:58<grimnar>Automatically installed: no
20:58<grimnar>Version: 1.98~20100115-1
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20:58<grimnar>sorry about that
20:59<ml|>yes, you should why I don't understand since update-grub does not work for you; try update-grub2
20:59<grimnar>I have no update-gru*
20:59<ml|>right again that's _and_ older version of grub2
21:01<ml|>update-grub: /usr/sbin/update-grub; update-grub2: /usr/sbin/update-grub2
21:02<ml|>fwiw, I have never had an issue with grub2; just some learning on grub2
21:03<grimnar>I only had issues
21:03<grimnar>:)
21:03<grimnar>And Im still having issues
21:03<AllenJohnson>yeah i was going to say should i be worried? i never have issues
21:03<ml|>yeah that sucks
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21:04<AllenJohnson>and i have 4 machines running grub 2
21:04<ml|>AllenJohnson: testing?
21:05<AllenJohnson>lenny
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21:06<ml|>you should be fine, since that will only get security updates if/when it needs it
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21:07<AllenJohnson>ive yet to have any problems so i was wondering :)
21:07<ml|>testing/sid is another story ;)
21:07<AllenJohnson>noted.
21:08<ml|>I'm on testing btw
21:08*grimnar don't know what grub he is running
21:10<ml|>grimnar: looks like an older version of grub2; just read above what I've said and ask others if you don't think I'm right ;)
21:11<grimnar>It's not like I belive you, it's all confusing me
21:11<ml|>are you sure you don't have... update-grub: /usr/sbin/update-grub; update-grub2: /usr/sbin/update-grub2
21:11<grimnar>yeah
21:12<ml|>weird should have that
21:12<grimnar>grub-mkconfig, grub-mkdevice and grub-probe
21:12<grimnar>thats all I got
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21:13<grimnar>and a few more, but not grub-update
21:13<ml|>there is something wrong there and that's why /boot/grub/grub.cfg did not update when you purged the trunk package
21:14<ml|>do you have /boot/grub/menu.lst_backup_by_grub2_postinst ?
21:14<grimnar>Mar 27 05:01 grub.cfg 4668 Mar 27 04:34 menu.lst
21:15<grimnar>Mar 24 19:24 menu.lst_backup_by_grub2_postinst
21:15<ml|>is that around the time you pinned grub-?
21:15<ml|>see, even more reason to say you are using grub2; but things are broken atm
21:15<grimnar>Apr 1 19:14 preferences
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21:17<grimnar>but grub2 has /boot/grub2/?
21:17<grimnar>has/uses
21:18<ml|>I never used pinning so not sure what to tell you; but I would grab that same versions of grub2: grub-common etc.. and try reinstalling them; no /boot/grub/
21:19<grimnar>ok
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21:19<ml|>and remove that pinning first and if all goes well put them on hold with aptitude instead
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21:20<grimnar>Im afraid of installing some grub2 faulty software
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21:22<ml|>I forget the site where you can get that version atm; you will reinstall the same as you have now that you know works for you
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21:22<grimnar>yeah
21:22<grimnar>I belive that was done here
21:23<ml|>dpkg: debian snapshot
21:23<dpkg>http://snapshot.debian.org/ is an archive of almost all Debian packages uploaded since 2005, including those removed from the official archives because they were very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or in some way non-free. This service replaces the old http://snapshot.debian.net/ site that is no longer maintained. http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100412
21:23<grimnar>yeah
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21:23<grimnar>I got if from there
21:23<grimnar>it*
21:23<grimnar>and then I pinned down the grub2-stuff
21:23<ml|>try it the way I suggest
21:23<grimnar>with some helpfull people here
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21:24<ml|>I remember I was one of those and here we are again ;)
21:24<grimnar>yeah!
21:24<grimnar>hah
21:24<grimnar>I really thought so
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21:24<grimnar>But you mentioned you never used pinning, so I got unsure :D
21:25<ml|>I don't, but have used hold with aptitude in the past with no issues
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21:26<grimnar>So what should I do? I lost track :D
21:26<ml|>did you only pin grub-common?
21:26<grimnar>yeah
21:26<grimnar>I guess so
21:26<grimnar>yeah
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21:26<ml|>ah, you needed to pin all of grub2 ;)
21:27<ml|>but hold should work just fine, your choice
21:27<grimnar>hold is for aptitude?
21:27<grimnar>as pinning is for apt?
21:28<grimnar>So I should remove the pinning, and do a full update?
21:29<grimnar>THEN update-grub, and go back again?
21:30<ml|>yes, then I would grab that same versions of grub2: grub-common etc.. and try reinstalling them
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21:30<ml|>but not for full-upgrade
21:31<ml|>maybe you have those in /var/cache/apt/archives/ check?
21:31<grimnar>nope
21:31<ml|>download time
21:32<grimnar>ok, I commented out the pinning stuff
21:32<grimnar>apt-get update?
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21:32<ml|>well, only if you want to [re]install newer version of grub2
21:32*grimnar is very anxious
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21:33<grimnar>I want to update my menu.lst
21:33<ml|>but, read what I said above
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21:33<ml|>grimnar: again you are using grub2 not grub atm
21:34<grimnar>yeah
21:34<grimnar>But I *want* the old and good grub! :D
21:35<grimnar>And the faithfull menu.lst
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21:35<grimnar>Okay, I might have done something stupid
21:35<grimnar>:D
21:36<ml|>ok, not sure if this will work; but aptitude update and then try installing grub-legacy
21:36<grimnar>ok
21:37<grimnar>ah, "update-grub"
21:37<ml|>?
21:37<grimnar>heh
21:37<grimnar>yeah?
21:37<grimnar>"Updating /boot/grub/menu.lst"
21:37<ml|>explain what happened and pastebin ;)
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21:39<grimnar>http://pastebin.com/yc3baUri
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21:40<grimnar>and now 2.6.33-3-686 is on top
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21:41<ml|>yes, at it should have been from the start ;)
21:41<ml|>well after purging trunk
21:42<ml|>and before when *-3 was installed
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21:42<ml|>the weird thing is that you have grub-pc still installed?
21:42<ml|>aptitude show grub-pc
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21:43<grimnar>not installed
21:43<ml|>I would think grub-pc should have being remove when installing grub-legacy; ah
21:44<ml|>and grub-common?
21:44<grimnar>*just installed
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21:44<grimnar>grimnar: Okay, I might have done something stupid
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21:44<ml|>heh
21:44<grimnar>:)
21:44<ml|>and the version of both?
21:45<cesurasean>I've seem to have blown away my grub-legacy installation, though I do have it backed up. Can someone help me repair my machine?
21:45<grimnar>grup-pc 1.98.1
21:45<grimnar>ehm
21:45<ml|>no of -legacy
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21:45<grimnar>yeah
21:45<grimnar>heh
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21:46<grimnar>0.97-61
21:46<ml|>cesurasean: what relaese?
21:46<ml|>grimnar: great and -common?
21:46<grimnar>1.98-1
21:46<cesurasean>I'm trying to revert back to grub-legacy. Grub 2 won't boot the machine, and I've been having to use super boot disk on it.
21:47<ml|>grimnar: which is not installed right?
21:47<grimnar>its installed
21:47<ml|>like grub-pc?
21:47<cesurasean>I tried running "update-grub", but it doesn't ask if I want to create a menu.lst file....
21:47<grimnar>ml|: Package: grub-common
21:47<grimnar>State: installed
21:47<cesurasean>grub-legacy
21:47<cesurasean>grub-common and grub-legacy go together
21:48<grimnar>this grub-* really is confusing
21:48<ml|>grimnar: yeah, sorry read something wrong here; so don't install grub-pc again since you want grub-legacy
21:48<grimnar>grub1, grub2 and grub3 was not good enought
21:48<grimnar>yeah, grub-pc is NOT installed
21:49<grimnar>So Im not going to touch that one
21:49<grimnar>grub.cfg still has the trunk-stuff at the top
21:50<grimnar>So menu.lst is one beeing used for sure now then?
21:50<ml|>I think if you put grub-legacy on hold that should prevent trying to install grub-pc; when trying to do an aptitude *-upgrade
21:50<cesurasean>if i reboot a machine without grub installed. can i use super boot disk to load my OS?
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21:52<ml|>grimnar: pastebin /boot/grub/grub.cfg and menu.lst but should be using menu.lst now
21:52<grimnar>yeah
21:52<grimnar>It does as well
21:53<grimnar>menu.lst was updated
21:53<grimnar>grub.cfg is untouched
21:53<grimnar>menu.lst is looking good
21:53<grimnar>:D
21:53<ml|>you are all set, you can remove grub.cfg if you want
21:54<grimnar>Package: grub-legacy
21:54<grimnar>Pin: version 0.97-61
21:54<grimnar>Pin-Priority: 1001
21:54<grimnar>correct?
21:54<grimnar>http://packages.debian.org/testing/grub-legacy
21:55<ml|>dunno, remember I don't use pinning read the debian reference regarding that or try aptitude hold instead
21:55*grimnar has never used aptitude hold
21:56<ml|>cesurasean: did you try chainloading to grub-legacy before starting to use grub-pc?
21:57<ml|>it does that by default
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21:57<ml|>I meant reboot after chainloading...
21:57<grimnar>so, just aptitude hold grub-legacy then?
21:58<nima>hmm
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22:01<cesurasean>i have it worked out now. machine is booting fine....
22:01<cesurasean>now to work on a few more i need to have grub fixed with
22:02<ml|>grimnar: man aptitude, but yes
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22:02<grimnar>:D
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22:03<ml|>grimnar: after that do aptitude update and aptitude -s full-upgrade to test
22:03<ml|>oh, and pastebin :)
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22:04<grimnar>really nothing to paste, 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
22:05<ml|>ok, to test now do aptitude unhold grub-legacy and do the _same_ as above
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22:06<grimnar>scary! :D
22:06<ml|>? pastebin/
22:07<grimnar>heh, still the same!
22:07<ml|>haha
22:08<ml|>oh, well it seems after you installed grub-legacy it won't upgrade to grub-pc; but I'd still use hold just incase
22:08<grimnar>http://pastebin.com/vWSWZqbp
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22:14<ml|>grimnar: you can do aptitude purge '~c' to get rid of unneeded config files
22:15<grimnar>like those in /boot/grub/*?
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22:16<grimnar>heh, "...690 to remove"
22:16<ml|>usually for stuff in /etc but in this case I think there yes
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22:16<grimnar>here goes
22:17<ml|>grimnar: http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/projects/aptitude/doc/en/ch02s03s05.html#tableSearchTermQuickGuide
22:17<cesurasean>update-grub command not found?
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22:17<grimnar>hah
22:17<grimnar>cesurasean: :D
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22:18<grimnar>ml|: that was alot of stuff! :D
22:18<ml|>grimnar: we just went thru this no? ;)
22:18<grimnar>yeah :D
22:18<ml|>you had a lot of left over stuff
22:19<ml|>should run that once in a while too keep things clean
22:19<grimnar>I really thought autoclean/autoremove got rid of that
22:19<ml|>cesurasean: are you in your debian system?
22:20<ml|>grimnar: no those are only for /var/cache/apt/archives/
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22:21<grimnar>but how about apt-get remove --purge? I use that one
22:21<grimnar>(690 stuff says that dont work either)
22:21<ml|>grimnar: man aptitude and use aptitude instead /msg dpkg why aptitude
22:21<grimnar>yeah
22:21<grimnar>I really should to that from now on
22:22<ml|>so you removed them?
22:23<cesurasean>nvm
22:23<cesurasean>thanks anyways guys i got the machines running good now
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22:23<cesurasean>remote reboot is now possible. haha
22:23<ml|>heh
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22:24<ml|>grimnar: last question was for you and if you did, do dpkg -l ... again and pastebin please
22:24<grimnar>ml|: yeah
22:24<grimnar>Just finished a updatedb
22:24<grimnar>hold on
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22:25<grimnar>http://pastebin.com/CsnErqNE
22:26<ml|>great no more grub-pc listed :)
22:26<grimnar>ml|: Im watching CNN, and a All things digital webinar (?) and fixing grub, so my answers are lagging :)
22:26<grimnar>yeah
22:26<ml|>you should purge grub2-splashimages
22:26<grimnar>good news
22:26<grimnar>yeah
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22:26<grimnar>I was about to ask about that one
22:27<ml|>ok, enjoy :)
22:27<grimnar>ml|: splasimage is really annoying
22:27<ml|>never used it :)
22:27<grimnar>And it was about 15mb
22:28<grimnar>15mb of pure rubbish
22:28<ml|>hehe
22:28<grimnar>good, its gone
22:28<grimnar>Maybe I should try a reboot
22:28<grimnar>:D
22:28<ml|>yes, you should to see all is fine; good luck ;)
22:29<grimnar>But
22:29<grimnar>There is some other things as well
22:29<grimnar>:D
22:29<grimnar>The hard drive problem
22:29<ml|>still happening with new kernel?
22:29<grimnar>Dont know if you read my earlier "post"
22:29<grimnar>Not sure
22:29<ml|>well....
22:29<grimnar>I remove the raid-drives during boot
22:29<grimnar>Ok
22:30-!-mode/#debian [+l 375] by debhelper
22:30<grimnar>heh
22:30<grimnar>I'll reboot and then we will see
22:30<grimnar>see you all on the other side!
22:30<ml|>right good luck
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22:31<ml|>grimnar: btw, rc on dpkg -l meant removed but with config file left over
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22:36<ml|>grimnar: I'm curious do you still have /boot/grub/grub.cfg ?
22:36<grimnar>heh
22:36<grimnar>Well
22:36<grimnar>Im not near the server
22:36<grimnar>Im using ssh
22:37<grimnar>So I rebooted
22:37<ml|>ls works ;)
22:37<grimnar>Then a few minutes went by, and I tried to log in
22:37<grimnar>Nothing happend
22:37<grimnar>So I ran upstairs to have a look
22:38<grimnar>And guess what, it stopped on the splash page, and had me to choose what kernel to boot
22:38<grimnar>?!
22:38<grimnar>So I had to choose 2.6.33-2
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22:38<ml|>the *-3 should be selected
22:38<grimnar>sorry, meant -3
22:38<ml|>pastebin menu.lst
22:39<grimnar>menu.lst is not beeing used!
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22:39<r00t>hi
22:39<grimnar>It still uses grub.cfg
22:39<grimnar>or someting
22:39<ml|>what?!
22:39<grimnar>thing
22:39<grimnar>yeah
22:39<r00t>I'm having wicked problems trying to get my compiled kernel to work
22:39<grimnar>confusing as hell
22:39<r00t>it cant find the (encrypted) filesystem
22:39<r00t>kernel panics
22:39<r00t>it's an intrid kernel
22:39<r00t>the kernel that comes with debian works
22:39<grimnar>so /boot/grub/grub.cfg is there
22:40<r00t>but I can't get my compiled kernel to work
22:40<r00t>I wrote up the problems and posted my kernel config
22:40<r00t>can you help me?
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22:40<ml|>grimnar: are you sure it's using grub.cfg?
22:40<r00t>http://forums.grsecurity.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2294&p=9871#p9871
22:40<grimnar>yeah
22:40<r00t>I took photos of the broken kernel booting and the working one
22:41<grimnar>cause menu.lst has the latest kernel option at the top
22:41<r00t>and uploaded the config and everything
22:41<grimnar>grub.cfg has the trunk kernel
22:41<grimnar>has/using
22:41<r00t>linux-2.6.33.5
22:42<grimnar>and menu.lst does not state anything about splashimage
22:42<grimnar>And I was met by splashimage on my screen
22:43<grimnar>:(
22:43<ml|>grimnar: ok, the only thing I can think of that you also have to reinstall grub-legacy to mbr with livecd with same version as what's in testing
22:44<grimnar>:(
22:44<ml|>grimnar: or some other way
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22:45<r00t>can someone help?
22:45<grimnar>Did I mention I really hate grub2?
22:45<grimnar>:)
22:46<grimnar>Anyways
22:46<grimnar>ml|: http://pastebin.com/qyzKppWj this is my fdisk -l output
22:46<grimnar>And thus. my hard drive problems
22:47<ml|>grimnar: /msg dpkg mbrfix is what you need to do; but I'm not 100% sure, I've never gone back to legacy
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22:48<ml|>grimnar: also look into /msg dpkg supergrub
22:48<grimnar>yeah, I already did that on this disk
22:49<grimnar>disk/system
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22:50<ml|>can't help with raid stuff; good luck and please let me know if reinstalling grub to mbr fixes your issue?
22:51<grimnar>yeah, but its NOT raid stuff yet
22:51<grimnar>The raid is working, sort of
22:52<ml|>heh
22:52<grimnar>You see the two 750gb disks
22:52<grimnar>and the single 74gb disk
22:52<grimnar>The 74gb disk should be /dev/sda
22:52<ml|>yes, btw I think we went through this also before ;)
22:52<grimnar>*not* /dev/sdc
22:52<grimnar>yeah
22:53<grimnar>And its not fixed! :D
22:54<ml|>and df -h?
22:54<larsie>how to see a device which are mounted on ps/2 (mice) but with an USB -> ps/2
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22:55<grimnar>df -h shows the 74gb disk as /dev/sda1
22:55<grimnar>So that is kinda correct
22:55<grimnar>But it still boggles my mind
22:56<grimnar>How come its /dev/sdc one place and /dev/sda other place?
22:56<r00t>mlI I cant mount my encrypted partition on my Intel SSD with my new kernel
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22:57<ml|>grimnar: no idea, but maybe due to your raid?
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22:57<grimnar>But the raid is not setup due to this problem
22:58<grimnar>So its really 2 other disks
22:58<ml|>r00t: ask the channel I can't help with that and be patient
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23:01<ml|>grimnar: good luck and please let me know on the grub thing
23:01<larsie>how to connect a USB device on ps/2 with a transition?
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23:01<grimnar>yeah, thanks
23:01<grimnar>and thanks alot for the help so far :)
23:02<grimnar>Its way past bed time here
23:02<grimnar>My SO is about to get up from bed now and go to work :D
23:02<ml|>heh, np
23:02<ml|>atleast no grub-pc is installed ;)
23:02<grimnar>:D
23:03<grimnar>But I think a complete reinstall is going to take place soon
23:03<ml|>I'm pretty sure it's the mbr thing
23:03<grimnar>yeah, but a reinstall is well overdue anyways
23:03<ml|>is this a server?
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23:03<grimnar>yeah
23:04<ml|>well, you should just use lenny anyways
23:04<grimnar>Not-fully-working-backup-on-raid-server
23:04<grimnar>Yeah, I know
23:04<grimnar>But that is another story
23:04<ml|>and if needed a bpo kernel
23:04<ml|>heh, ok take care
23:05<grimnar>yeah
23:05<grimnar>good night from Norway! :D
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23:08<doobian>anyone have any luck with prism? i can make app-links - but they just dont run or launch
23:08<r00t>My kernel crashes on boot
23:08<r00t>http://forums.grsecurity.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2294&p=9871#p9871
23:08<r00t>please help
23:09<r00t>it cant find the filesystem!
23:09<doobian>r00t, harddrive failure?
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23:12<marupa>Hi there, not sure exactly where to ask this, so I figured I may as well start with the distro I'm using. I've just gotten everything set up, I'm obviously able to get online, but Pidgin isn't able to get online, and for some reason iceweasel is VERY slow to look up webpages. I can ping just fine, and other web-enabled programs connect fine.
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23:20<jordanm>marupa: you might want to disable avahi, and remove mdns from /etc/nsswitch.conf
23:20<jordanm>mrnice: for the pidgin issue, you may need the version in backports, since some of the protocols have changed
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23:21<r00t>23:09 < doobian> r00t, harddrive failure?
23:21<r00t>no
23:21<r00t>boots fine with my other kernel
23:21<r00t>doobian: also is a brand new 80gb intel ssd
23:21<r00t>im typing on it right now with my other kernel
23:22<r00t>http://forums.grsecurity.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2294&p=9871#p9871
23:22<r00t> I posted my .cfg
23:22<r00t>http://omploader.org/vNGgyOQ/.config
23:22<r00t>this is the error screen
23:22<r00t>http://pics.nexuizninjaz.com/images/plbg2wli46px6d6es11.jpg
23:22<r00t>
23:23<r00t>please help
23:24<marupa>I'll try that. Thank you.
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23:59<marupa>Ok, that didn't seem to work, disabling/removing avahi. And which mdns am I supposed to remove from my nsswitch.conf?
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