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00:06<cesurasean>se7en, what do you mean xrandr?
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00:08<se7en>cesurasean: type as normal user xrandr in a terminal
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00:11<cesurasean>se7en, what exactly will that do for me? I already did lspci to find the card type.
00:11<se7en>cesurasean: that might help it is for setting up dual monitor but you get the information for your problem
00:11<cesurasean>Is the problem I'm having the part of using vesa drivers, and not trident?
00:13<se7en>sorry i have to run cesurasean read the link it might help you
00:13<cesurasean>HA, the trident driver seems to work versus the vesa everyone else said to use via google
00:16<pabs>which package/device is at fault in this situation? monitor (with speakers) connected to Debian squeeze computer via DVI. GNOME set to lock and put the display to sleep after 1 minute. rhythmbox running in the background playing music through DVI to the speaker monitors. when screen gets blanked, the audio is no longer heard but I want it to continue
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00:19<pabs>grr, I want DFSG-free monitor firmware
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01:15<rubygod>why is there no openvz kernel in squeeze?
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01:22<gsimmons>rubygod: An openvz flavour was added for x86 at linux-2.6 2.6.32-10. linux-image-2.6.32-5-openvz-{686,amd64}-* have yet to migrate to testing.
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02:03<k-man>anyone know a cli tool that can split pdfs?
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02:12<k-man>nm, i worked it out
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03:09<mib_pn5dik>uhh hi
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03:52<isfranc>i search for create file of bans ip in fail2ban ?
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04:10<dpkg>fail2ban is a small python program that runs rules when people fail to logon after a certain number of tries. By default it works with <ssh> and <iptables>, but can be extended to whatever authentication and access denial system you're using. <Dovecot> administrators: see . Also ask me about <denyhosts> and <iptables ssh filter>.
04:10<jpinx-eeepc>isfranc: ↑↑ that's as much as I know ;)
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04:13<isfranc>jpinx-eeepc: yes, but i use too pf for firewall, and wanna use fail2ban on debian for send ip ban to pf firewall
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04:16<isfranc>hard is the rock :)
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04:19<etienne>:isfranc :
04:19<etienne>C'est ce que tu cherches?
04:19<isfranc>etienne: merci :)
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04:21<etienne>De rien. C'est pas pour t'embêter mais je pense que la plupart des anglophones ne comprennent pas ton anglais ;)
04:21<etienne>C'est peut être pour ça que t'as pas eu de réponse
04:21<isfranc>etienne dis pas ca, j'ai ete en en uk quand j'avais 12 ans, je suis une reference en langage rosbeef depuis :D
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04:22<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on
04:23<isfranc>froggy go out :)
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04:26<isfranc>how to force, fail2ban create a file with ip ban ?
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04:27<deezzznuts>HACK THE PLANET!!!
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04:27<@weasel>thanks for the input
04:28<isfranc>can you help me, before deezzznuts hack me ??
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04:38<Sh3oL>Ich hab hier n kleines problem
04:39<dpkg>Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
04:39<Sh3oL>i have a little problem
04:40<Sh3oL>i have a clonecd image that i cant burn under debian
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04:41<Sh3oL>because i need the direct way to burn it(no other ways work(ccd2iso or stuff like that))
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04:45<jm_>doesn't clonecd create cue/bin files?
04:46<Sh3oL>no it creates img + ccd + sub files ... thats my problem
04:47<Sh3oL>md5 sums are correct, i allready checked it
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04:48<Sh3oL>but no way to get this to run on a chipped ps1 or tape modded ps2(my original is broken)
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04:49<Sh3oL>i tried wodim k3b and all other tools
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04:51<Sh3oL>thats why ccd2iso wont work(because ps1 and ps2 cds/dvds have a "multi format")
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04:54<jm_>when I used clonecd back then it used cue/bin which was easy to burn
04:54<jm_>but no idea about newer versions
04:55<Sh3oL>jm your clonecd genereted cue/bin because you had different settings
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04:57<jm_>Sh3oL: that was the only option it supported IIRC, but it was really long time ago
04:57<Sh3oL>and i dont want to setup a windows in a virtual machine, because i dont want to pay money for microsoft
04:58<Sh3oL>jm: Yeah log times ago
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05:05<script>I just bought my first computer and im 12. how did i get here?
05:05<Sh3oL>i dont know, but i think it has a debian installed script
05:06<script>LOL im lurking
05:06<Sh3oL>i am lurking too script
05:07<script>so what are we doing with all this linux stuff. Just sticking it to micro?
05:08<dpkg>If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user.
05:08<Sh3oL>i learned it faster than you script
05:08<locklace>script: this channel is for debian support, if you don't have a debian question, go to #debian-offtopic or some other channel
05:08<script>you probably did
05:09<script>like i said - i dont know how i got here
05:09<script>can someone point me to the backtrack channel
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05:10<script>and my name is script kiddie
05:10<dpkg>BackTrack is not Debian and is not supported in #debian (ask me about <based on debian>). Try or #backtrack-linux on instead. BackTrack is a Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu> Intrepid (as of BackTrack 4), previously <SLAX>. Derived from merging two penetration-testing distributions: WHAX (formerly WHOPPIX) and Auditor Security Linux.
05:10<Sh3oL>i dont want to say i word right now
05:11<script>well then forgive my unintended trolling
05:11<script>good day to you all
05:11<Sh3oL>well script i have seen much worser trolls
05:12<script>have a great day Sh3oL
05:12<Sh3oL>but that is off-topic
05:12<Sh3oL>i always have script
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05:16<grummund>Hi, is there any difference between passwd -l and usermod -L ?
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05:17<xino>hi guy....
05:18<xino>is there any italian?
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05:18<locklace>grummund: no
05:19<locklace>!tell xino about it
05:20<xino>this is my first time in irc, so i can't join my best server....
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05:23<grummund>usermod -L doesn't disable key-based authentication, is there a way to do that other than manually mv the user's .ssh files?
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05:23<locklace>did you even try reading the man page
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05:28<grummund>well of course, but it's not working for me...
05:28<locklace>what specifically is not working for you
05:29<grummund>disabling key-based authentication
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05:30<locklace>if i have to ask questions like "what did you try", "what result did you expect", "what result did you get", "what is the error message", i'm just going to give up now
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05:40<amitz>it's weird. i thought backtrack is pen test stuff. but how come so many peole here accidentally enter #debian instead of #backtrack. it's as if they lack very basic competence necessary for pen test.
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05:41<locklace>script kiddies lacking basic competence? absurd
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06:09<toabctl>i try to create a pbuilder evironment and got the following error.
06:09<toabctl># pbuilder create --distribution squeeze --debootstrapopts --arch --debootstrapopts armel --basetgz /var/cache/pbuilder/base-armel-squeeze.tgz --mirror
06:09<toabctl>W: Failure trying to run: chroot /var/cache/pbuilder/build/6636/. mount -t proc proc /proc
06:09<toabctl>E: debootstrap failed
06:09<toabctl>W: Aborting with an error
06:09<toabctl>I: cleaning the build env
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06:11<toabctl>ups. so my pbuilder problem (Failure trying to run: chroot /var/cache/pbuilder/build/6636/. mount -t proc proc /proc) can be seen here:
06:11<toabctl>any ideas?
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06:12<big_blue>Hi. I´m new here and never used irc before. I have some problems with the ejabberd config. Is someone here who is able to help me, or know a special room where i can talk about it?
06:15<dpkg>[jabber] a GPL'ed cross-platform, multi-protocol, extremely extensible instant messaging system, which is server based and uses XML for communication. Non-official Debian chat room at
06:16<locklace>big_blue: has links at the top for support resources
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06:29<austinium>whats the best way to increase the maximum supported screen resolution post-installation?
06:29<austinium>iam using squeeze, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg isn't working
06:31<locklace>first stop xrandr, next stop modeline
06:34<austinium>i tried xrandr
06:34<austinium>i have a list of supported resolutions
06:34<austinium>command not found
06:34<austinium>apt-get not finding it either
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06:35<dpkg>You can create custom modelines at, or, or use cvt or gtf, or apt-get install videogen
06:35<locklace>man xorg.conf
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06:35<big_blue>Hi. Yes but in the conference chatroom was only russian support
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06:44<austinium>locklace so i generate the modeline and add it to Xorg.conf
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06:47<locklace>yeah. you can try adding HorizSync and VertRefresh values for your monitor first, sometimes that's enough
06:47<austinium>errr...i can't find Xorg.conf in /etc/X11 :(
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06:49<locklace>run "X -configure :1" as root
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07:00<egamonal>hi, i'm having trouble with building the alsa-source package via m-a
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07:02<egamonal0>checking for directory with kernel top-level makefile... ▒
07:02<egamonal0> │ /lib/modules/2.6.26-2-686/build ▒
07:02<egamonal0> │ checking for directory with kernel headers... failed ▒
07:02<egamonal0> │ make[1]: *** [configure-stamp] Error 1 ▒
07:02<egamonal0> │ make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/modules/alsa-driver' ▮
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07:04<drizzt>egamonal0, are you having linux-headers installed?
07:04<egamonal>yes, they are
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07:05<egamonal>well, I installed them, but this returns nothing
07:05<egamonal>dpkg -l | grep dmz | grep headers
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07:05<egamonal>without the filtering with dmz I can see my headers
07:06<jm_>does linux-headers really install Makefile too?
07:06<egamonal>jm_, what do you mean?
07:07<jm_>it does, I just checked
07:07<egamonal>actually, my real problem comes from here
07:08<egamonal>I downloaded the package from squeeze and installed it to lenny by dpkg -i alsa-source...deb
07:08<egamonal>but when I try to build it with m-a build alsa, it fails with the error I pasted before
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07:12<egamonal>maybe I need to change something in Makefile?
07:12<egamonal>ls -d /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build
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07:25<gsimmons>egamonal: Testing's alsa-source version isn't suitable for Lenny/2.6.26, as changes were made to correct compilation issues with later Debian kernel versions (e.g. #531668). Use a backported 2.6.32 kernel image package to provide the same ALSA version ; /msg dpkg bpo
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07:25<gan>hi all,i have 2.6.26 kernel ,but log file size becoming always 1.5 GB even though i delete
07:25<egamonal>thanks for the advice, gsimmons
07:26<gan>always increasing log files
07:26<moorr>Tu pootaa madreee
07:26<locklace>moorr: habla ingles o salte
07:26<moorr>What dis
07:26<moorr>tu putita mare
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07:27<drizzt>why there's always angry latinos in this channel?
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07:27<locklace>we're planning to invade spain in response
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07:41<eagleofnorth>my debian lenny server seems to lack the standard repository, it only has security and volatile. How can I add what is missing?
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07:41<locklace>!tell eagleofnorth about sources
07:42<Unmensch>hello, is it possible to install the meego window manager on debian. I haven't found a repository for this yet
07:43<locklace>Unmensch: if it's not packaged, you get to build it yourself
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07:47<eagleofnorth>sorry, but I still do not understand the answer from locklace...
07:48<locklace>eagleofnorth: "deb lenny main contrib non-free"
07:49<ephcon>in /etc/apt/sources.list
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07:50<astae>hi all
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07:52<eagleofnorth>locklace, Thanks a lot - problem solved!
07:52<locklace>!congratulate eagleofnorth
07:52<dpkg>Yay eagleofnorth, you did it!
07:53<eagleofnorth>have a nice week-end, locklace dpkg and ephcon
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08:14<alecjw>hi there, im having a bit of trouble with my DVD drive.... its IDE and it works fine in windows (can play audio cds and access files on data cds) but in debian, it odesnt recognise data CDs at all in gnome, and when i open any cd playing program, it cna get the tracklist, but then freezes when i try to play a track
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08:15<alecjw>and if i try to dd data off of it, it throws an I/O error: alec@Jupiter:~$ dd if=/dev/hdb of=file
08:15<alecjw>dd: reading `/dev/hdb': Input/output error
08:15<alecjw>0+0 records in
08:15<alecjw>0+0 records out
08:15<alecjw>0 bytes (0 B) copied, 0.009357 s, 0.0 kB/s
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08:16<alecjw>oops just got kicked for copy&paste, sorry
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08:20<locklace>alecjw: what kernel version
08:21<alecjw>locklace, im using debian testing with linux 2.6.23-3 on amd64
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08:22<locklace>alecjw: can you paste the output of dmesg at
08:23<locklace>alecjw: and what do you get if you try to mount a data disc using "mount" from the commandline
08:25<alecjw>heres my dmesg, lots of i/o errors:
08:26<alecjw>and when i try to mount it:
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08:27<alecjw>actually im trying to mount an audio disk, ill try with a data disk
08:27<locklace>you can't mount audio discs
08:28<alecjw>yeah i know, i was just being an idiot, sorry xD
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08:29<locklace>but from the dmesg either the drive or the kernel driver is fucked, more likely the latter if it works fine in windows. my advice is try with 2.6.34 and then post to lkml
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08:30<alecjw>ok when i try with a data disk, mount just hangs, doing nothing
08:30<mythologikais>HI, I am new on IRC chat, so i don't know if its here to ask a question about a program compilation problem
08:31<locklace>mythologikais: if you're using debian, go ahead and ask
08:31<locklace>!tell mythologikais about how to ask
08:31<alecjw>and yeah, ill have a go with a new kernel
08:31<bluenemo> hi guys, i've got a little proplem when trying to work on my kernel with make gconfig.. I always get this message: * You need gtk+-2.0, glib-2.0 and libglade-2.0. What packets should I install? i've installed almost all now that sounds similar and it doesnt work..
08:31<alecjw>although oddly enough, this happened with gentoo recently aswell
08:31<mythologikais>oki, i want to compile mumudvb beta for transcoding a dvb stream in h.264
08:32<locklace>not very odd, considering debian and gentoo share a kernel
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08:32<mythologikais>but mumudvb can't find audio and video codec
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08:33<jm_>bluenemo: are you sure you want to build your own kernel if you can't figure this out?
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08:34<bluenemo>well, I'm just starting. however, it worked fine (running the kernel also) with xconfig, menuconfig..
08:34<alecjw>bluenemo, have you instealled the *-dev packages?
08:34<alecjw>and build-essentials
08:34<jm_>those don\t need GTK, so install gtk, glib and glade devel packages (rather obvious from the output)
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08:35<mythologikais>i follow the official instructions but it works for them but not for me
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08:35<pavi> Is there an application which can catch live GPS data ?
08:35<bluenemo>sorry for the noob questions, but I just cant find the fitting gtk package..
08:36<bluenemo>pavi tango gps or sth
08:36<pavi>bluenemo: will tangogps show it on map ?
08:36<bluenemo>not shure, think it works with openstreetmaps.. friend of mine showed me a while ago on his openmoko
08:36<jm_>apt-cache search 'gtk dev' and then 'glib dev', 'glade dev' -> libgtk2.0-dev, libglib2.0-dev, libglade2-dev
08:37<bluenemo>you can see where you are on the map, but you cant actually show routes (like red lines where to go /drive) on it
08:37<bluenemo>but that info may be old
08:37<jm_>you really should invest some time in learning the tools before compiling the kernel
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08:39<pavi>i am using /going to use it for openstreetmaps
08:40<bluenemo>do you meen apt-get? guess i am pretty new to kernels, but generally not to apt-get.. it works now thanks for the help.. strange day, actually should have found this my self..
08:40<jm_>well apt-cache to search for stuff, or any other app that alows searching debian packages
08:41<bluenemo>yeah, did apt-cache search and then grep'ed the output..
08:42<jm_>careful with grepping
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08:43<alecjw>locklace, 2.6.32 is the newest kernel in the debian archives.... will i have to download 2.6.34 and compile it myself? or does debian have some sort of kernel backporting system?
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08:46<jm_>alecjw: .34 is in experimental
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08:47<alecjw>hmmm, i couldnt use experimental packages on a testing system could i? i dont really want to upgrade my entire system to an unstable version just to get my cd drive to work
08:48<locklace>you can just manually download the kernel package and install it with dpkg -i
08:49<alecjw>ah right, thanks :) i thought that might be the case, but wasnt sure. i'll give that a try then :)
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08:55<bluenemo>btw, i set up a 2.6.34 yesterday on my sqeeze box, worked fine
08:56<bluenemo>as far is i saw from 34 was declared stable
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08:56<bluenemo>just got this problem: Could not load /lib/modules/2.6.34/modules.dep: No such file or directory
08:56<bluenemo>solved it with that: update-initramfs -c -t -k 2.6.34
08:57<alecjw>ah right, thanks for the advice bluenemo :)
08:57<bluenemo>problem occured to be the first message after loading initrd
08:57<bluenemo>think you got to do that bevore the command: cp /usr/src/linux-2.6.34/.config /boot/config-2.6.34
08:57<jm_>depmod -a generates modules.dep
08:58<jm_>bluenemo: he's using debian packages
08:58<bluenemo>yeah, did that before but wasnt shure if that was the solver for the problem
08:58<bluenemo>ah ok
08:58<jm_>so no cp needed
08:58<alecjw>dpkg's complaining that ive got other apt's running.... ugh... gonna have to log off and kill it
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08:59<alecjw>but yeah, thanks for the help jm_ and locklace, ill let you know how i get on
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09:04<alecjw>ack now apt doesnt work and i havent even installed the experimental pacakages yet
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09:05<jpinx>alecjw: maybe try aptitude?
09:05<alecjw>i did an aptitude dist-upgrade and now everything complains that another apt's running.... even when ive only just booted up the computer
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09:06<alecjw>and done a killall apt* dpkg* just to be safe
09:06<bluenemo>with now other apt thin in ps aux?
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09:07<jpinx>alecjw: top and/or ps -e might help you
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09:08<alecjw>ps -e | grep dpkg returns something
09:08<alecjw>which is odd, cause i havent run dpkg since i switched on the computer
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09:09<jm_>it might be checking a stale lock file if you have previously killed it too
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09:11<trtosh>running suqeeze, sound didn't work until "alsa force-reload", settings however are lost after reboot; how do I keep settings set by "alsa force-reload"
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09:12<bluenemo>ah keep settings with alsa, tell me if you've got the way ;)
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09:14<trtosh>'/(-|-)\' bluenemo: don't know how
09:14<jordanm>trtosh: are you using the alsa-utils init script?
09:14<trtosh>jordanm: how do i find out?
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09:14<bluenemo>no, just tried to set up a state alsa volume on startup on a thinkpad of a friend of mine
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09:15<bluenemo>didnt succeeded :)
09:15<jordanm>trtosh: sysv-rc-conf --list
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09:15<jesperj>Lenny has Iceweasel 3.0.6, and Adblock Plus addon requires 3.0.12. How do you guys who use lenny solve this? I think noscript and adblock plus is quite important when surfing the web.
09:15<jordanm>jesperj: you can install a newer version from lenny-backports (or find an older version of adblock)
09:15<jesperj>backports does not have security updates if I understand it correctly...
09:16<jesperj>jordanm: yes I tried to find an older version but couldn't. will try again brb
09:16<trtosh>hmm, jordanm: probably not,
09:16<jordanm>jesperj: backports mostly come from squeeze, which does get security updates
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09:16<trtosh>sysv-rc-conf command not found
09:16<dpkg>*** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. If someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get or aptitude.
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09:17<bluenemo>does anybody know how I add 'numbers' and stuff in make gconfig (kernel comp.)? cant add anything in Local version - append to kernel release, klicking doesnt work ;) (why the hell am I using a gtk at all? ;)
09:17<jesperj>jordanm: *nods* But as I understood it, it is not certain that when a package in squeeze gets a security update, the backport pagacke gets updated very soon after, that it might take a while...
09:17<jordanm>jesperj: yes, and the people doing the backport are not obligated to update it
09:17<bluenemo>doesnt work with other options as well (such a set the size of sth)
09:18*jordanm uses chrome with adthrawt
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09:18<jordanm>bluenemo: try menuconfig
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09:19<trtosh>jordnm: this is the output 'alsa-utils 0:off1:off6:offS:on'
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09:20<bluenemo>yeah thats a nice one as well.. xconfig is nearly the same as gconfig, but i most like gconfig so far..
09:20<bluenemo>but think this is a bug
09:21<jesperj>jordanm: That doesn't seem optimal securitywise. What is the best security alternative between upgrading the iceweasel package to testing, using backports, or trying to find some alternative to adblock plus with iceweasel, (if I can not find any older version of Adblock plus that will work with the iceweasel version in lenny)?
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09:22<jordanm>jesperj: alternative browsers or upstream firefox
09:22<bluenemo>well, on second few, i think xconfig provides exactly the same options as gconfig.. (without the numbers bug)
09:22<jesperj>jordanm: what does "upstread firefox" mean? thanks
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09:22<dpkg>rumour has it, upstream is where Debian developers download software from, or
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09:23<jordanm>jesperj: would be upstream in this case. they distribute in pre-compiled tarballs and include its own update managers. that way, you get security updates from upstream (but have software you have to manage and update seperatly)
09:24<trtosh>jordnm: I assume this is what you wanted me to do 'sysv-rc-conf alsa-utils on'
09:25<jordanm>trtosh: I use the curses interface, but yes, give that a try
09:26<trtosh>did it, hopefully will be fine next time reboot, thanks
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09:27<jesperj>jordanm: Oh. I did not know that expression. So upstream is to get the software from the developers official repositories
09:27<meowcats>hmmm after a while of my computer being on, xfce4-volumed seems to stop working :| alsamixer and xfce4-mixer still work and only one card is configured !?!?
09:27<jordanm>jesperj: yep, you will want to install to either /opt or your home directory
09:28<jesperj>jordanm: thank you for the information :) I just found a version of adblock plus for iceweasel lenny. There are indeed archived versions on the Mozilla addons website if one digs a little deeper.
09:28<jesperj>jordanm: *nods*
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09:29<jordanm>,file xfce4-volumed --release sid
09:29<judd>xfce4-volumed in sid/i386: xfce4-volumed: usr/bin/xfce4-volumed
09:29<meowcats>sry im on squeeze
09:29<jesperj>jordanm: I have another question: < Does all these high urgency security problems with packages in Lenny, mean that these packages are actually available for installation and usage in lenny right now, with these security problems not fixed yet?
09:30<jesperj>Or do they concern packages for lenny that have been "revoked" because of said security problems
09:30<jesperj>and IF those security problems are still OPEN for packages that one might allready have installed or will install in Lenny, is there a feature to run a compare check of installed packages against that security risc list
09:31<jesperj>so one will know when one has installed, or is about to install, such package?
09:31<jordanm>jesperj: there is apt-listbugs, but it is not specific to security bugs
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09:32<jordanm>jesperj: also, there is desecan
09:32<jordanm>err debsecan
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09:33<meowcats>no help for meowcats :(
09:34<jordanm>meowcats: check the BTS, file a bug report. you are running testing or unstable after all
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09:36<jesperj>jordanm: but those security problems listed packages are all in lenny and available? so users do not get a warning when they are about to install a package with those security problems?
09:36<jesperj>or a warning when a security problem is found on an installed package
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09:48<jordanm>jesperj: AFAIK, yes, unless they have taken action the check
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09:49<jordanm>jesperj: most of those apps listed have a history of security problems to begin with... (bind9, phpbb)
09:50<jesperj>jordanm: Thank you. I am a bit amazed and worried about that if it is the case, the no warnings about these security flaws that many users are not aware of
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09:51<jordanm>jesperj: I am sure there are tons more that have not been discovered yet
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09:52<jordanm>jesperj: is there a distro that would give those warnings?
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09:52*jordanm doesn't think yum-security has the feature (which has to be installed seperate like apt-listbugs and debsecan)
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09:53<jordanm>I aggree it would be nice though
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09:54<pino>can somebody help me with my PSX controller, attached via lpt card, using gamecon kernel module?
09:55<pino>it worked perfectly fine in 2.6.31, but in 2.6.34.. i'm just stuck
09:55<jesperj>jordanm: I don't know. Maybe not. It should be integreated into aptitude though
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09:57<pino>i'm trying to connect it as i did before and get /dev/input/js0 device
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09:58<pino>and jstest identifies it as psx controller. but it does not responding on inputs at all
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09:59<pino>dmesg looks fine. irq is assigning. io address of port is absolutely correct, but it just not work
09:59<pino>what am i doing wrong?
10:00<jesperj>ok thanks for the info jordanm
10:00<jesperj>havea good weekend :)
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10:06<mansi>I am getting Grub Error:18 "Selected cylinder exceeds maximum supported by BIOS" after kernel updation in Lenny
10:06<smerft>hi!, i'm getting an error with my aptitude package manager =(.
10:06<larsie>smerft: What about posting it here?
10:06<mansi>I updated kernel by 'apt-get update" and "apt-get upgrade"
10:07<mansi>Mine is compaq CQ40 laptop
10:07<mansi>everything was working fine for last one year
10:07<smerft>i try to install any package and I get this:
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10:07<smerft>Can't exec "locale": No such file or directory at /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/ line 16. Use of uninitialized value $Debconf::Encoding::charmap in scalar chomp at /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/ line 17. dpkg: `ldconfig' not found on PATH. dpkg: 1 expected program(s) not found on PATH. NB: root's PATH should usually contain /usr/local/sbin, /usr/s
10:07<mansi>now all my files at unable to boot debian
10:08<dli__>mansi, you can always boot from usb
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10:08<mansi>Okay, i think i can recover files, but still i need to make system up
10:08<mansi>It was pain installing all drivers, especially wifi and sound
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10:09<mansi>if i reinstall i need to do everything from the beginning
10:09<mansi>I tried reinstalling grub, using rescue mode, but error persista
10:09<dli__>mansi, no need to reinstall
10:10<dli__>mansi, you can upgrade your BIOS, or make a small boot partition at the beginning of your hard drive
10:10<jordanm>mansi: what version did you upgrade to?
10:11<dli__>mansi, you can get bootable liveUSB images from
10:11<mansi>jordarm: I have lenny installed. I have debian security, main, stable,non-free repos enabled
10:12<mansi>i did apt-get update and apt-get upgrade three daysback
10:12<smerft>here is my root's $PATH: /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin
10:12<mansi>there was a kernel update in lenny three days back.
10:13<dli__>smerft, /usr/local/bin shouldn't be in root $PATH, also, you may want to make /usr/local/sbin the last one, instead of the first one in $PATH
10:14<themill>smerft: does /sbin/ldconfig exist? What version of debian is this?
10:14<mansi>dli__: I have ubuntu live cd, by which i can recover my files, but is there any way to avoid this error
10:15<dli__>mansi, grub error 18 happens only to old machines, if you couldn't upgrade the bios, make a small /boot partition at the beginning of hard drive
10:15<jordanm>mansi: he was suggesting you try to repair the install from the livecd. I am sceptical this was a lenny->lenny upgrade
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10:16<smerft>no, /sbin/ldconfig doesn't exist
10:16<jordanm>smerft: was this after an attempted upgrade to testing/unstable?
10:17<mansi>dli_ mine is new compaq laptop and everything was excellent till my system upgradation using apt-get, three days back.
10:17<smerft>yes, jordanm
10:17<dli__>mansi, basically, you need to resize/move partitions, and create a /boot partition of 100MB(more or less), and /boot be the beginning of hard drive
10:17<jordanm>smerft: personally, I would go ahead and restore from a backup
10:17<themill>smerft: can you pastebin the output of: aptitude search '?source-package(glibc)'
10:18<dli__>mansi, like 10-year-old compaq? this shouldn't happen at all for later machines
10:18<themill>jordanm: a "dpkg -x libc-bin*.deb" is probably all that's required
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10:19<themill>(err... "dpkg -x libc-bin*.deb /")
10:19<smerft>themill root@padme:~# aptitude search '?source-package(glibc)' p eglibc-source - Embedded GNU C Library: sources p glibc-doc - Embedded GNU C Library: Documentation p glibc-doc-reference - GNU C Library: Documentation p glibc-source - GNU C Library: so
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10:19<jordanm>themill: I was also assuming he has broken perl and broken udev to go along with it
10:19<themill>smerft: please stick it in a pastebin so it's even remotely legible.
10:19<themill>dpkg: tell smerft about pastebin
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10:20<bluenemo>do you guys use SLUB or SLAB?
10:20<bluenemo>in kernel config
10:20<smerft>themil wat's pastebin? (new first time on IRC)
10:20<jordanm>bluenemo: SLAB in the debian kernel
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10:20<jordanm>!tell smerft about paste
10:21<bluenemo>SLUB doesnt work on debian?
10:21<smerft>oh, i'm reading now, sorry guys
10:21<jordanm>bluenemo: no idea what they even are, I just checked the default debian config to see what was set
10:21<mansi>dli: Mine is compaq CQ40 , brand new one ;) And thanks for the advice, let me try your methid
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10:22<bluenemo>:) me neighter, but looked in some forums, and they say that SLUB is faster (no idea what it makes faster..)
10:22<mansi>dll: but i need to reinstall all softwares and drivers again, isnt it? :(
10:23<zumbi>jpinx: see, again today, it is common pattern
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10:23<jordanm>!tell mansi about aptitude clone
10:23<pino>mansi: no, you just need to move your /boot
10:23<jpinx>zumbi: don't rise to it ;)
10:23<mansi>dli: there is windows preinstalled on the laptop. So is it possible to make /boot on first sector of harddisk
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10:24<mansi>I am on that windows right now :)
10:24<smerft>themill now what do I do, post the link the the pastebin post?
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10:25<geoff>hello - I am installing debian 5 on a PC with two hard drives.
10:25<geoff> I have selected separate partitions on sda, and I am about to partition.
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10:26<geoff>sda is a new drive and sdb is my old drive with ubuntu.
10:27<geoff>How can I be sure that sdb will not be partitioned - I wish to preserve the ubuntu system?
10:27<bluenemo>geoff how do you proceed the partitioning?
10:27<bluenemo>with which tool?
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10:28<geoff>I am on the partition disks screen of the installer
10:28<bluenemo>ok, after you've done all the selections ubuntu installer will show you a screen where the exact changes that will be done to your harddisks will be shown
10:28<bluenemo>just make shure that sdb isnt present there
10:28<jpinx>geoff: it is pretty clear in the installer - does it no0t tell you what is on the drives?
10:28<jordanm>geoff: use manual partitioning and do not partition the drive that you don't want partitioned
10:29<bluenemo>or, plug off sda from your computer
10:29<dli>mansi, I think yes, you can move the windows partition
10:29<bluenemo>what do you mean on the drives? like you can see the files stored on it?
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10:29<geoff>drive sdb is listed, but with no mount points
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10:30<bluenemo>is there a action given to do with sdb?
10:30<bluenemo>on the assumption screen
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10:31<bluenemo>btw what version are you using? are you running the normal live cd or the alternate?
10:31<geoff>there is no action given - just a list of the partitions for sda and sdb. I have two options:
10:31<geoff>undo changes ..
10:31<geoff>Finish partitioning
10:31<jordanm>!tell geoff about ig
10:32<geoff>I am running a dvd
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10:32<bluenemo>did you configure to make any partition changes on sda?
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10:33<bluenemo>jordanm ig?
10:33<geoff>yes - i said I want to parttion sda
10:33<jordanm>bluenemo: installation guide
10:33<bluenemo>ah nice idea
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10:34<bluenemo>well, if you didnt tell him to do anything with sdb (like you did with sda) there should be no problem. i think if you klick on finish partitioning you should see an assumption
10:34<bluenemo>(what changes will be done, then you have to click on ok)
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10:35<bluenemo>maybe take another look at this:
10:35<geoff>OK so it sounds safe and I won't destroy sdb
10:35<bluenemo>and, if you are rarly shure that its right configured, take the time and unplugg the disk
10:36<bluenemo>if I were you I'd unplug it
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10:36<jordanm>bluenemo: you just linked him to ubuntu install guide?
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10:37<bluenemo>jordanm why not?
10:37<geoff>I see - maybe I should start again with the sdb disk unplugged?
10:37<bluenemo>yeah do that
10:37<bluenemo>its just saver
10:37<bluenemo>saver lol more save
10:37<murky_>there's anyone work with centOS enterprise operating system
10:38<geoff>Many thanks for your advice!
10:38<bluenemo>learn and help others :)
10:38<murky_>'cause i'ud ask about installing MQL
10:39<jordanm>bluenemo: because the ubuntu installer is not the same?
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10:39<bluenemo>ah shit
10:39<jordanm>ubuntu might have some variant of d-i, but generally it uses ubiquity
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10:40<themill>murky_: perhaps you wanted #centos on
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10:40<bluenemo>i thought about some pictured tutorial on the partitioning system..
10:42<murky_>i'll try that..
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10:44<murky_>but on this time install it on VM
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10:49<murky_>oh sorry that doesn't work there's any some thing else
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10:53<sveniu>has joeyh been around? what happened to his i386 daily images of the squeeze installer?
10:54<sveniu>the amd64 ones are available on , but no i386 there
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11:01<Jarlaxe>allo. I just installed a Squeeze. I added entry lines for the multimedia in the sources.list. I get "W: Duplicate sources.list entry squeeze/main Translation-en_US (/var/lib/apt/lists/www.debian-multimedia.org_dists_squeeze_main_i18n_Translation-en%5fUS)" .
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11:02<Jarlaxe>i'm not sure what should i do to fix that ... copy the line with "translationUS" at the end ?
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11:37<detly>hey, I'm looking for the graphical installer image (I'm booting and installing from the netinst image on a USB stick)
11:37<kop>detly: netinstall should have a gui interface.
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11:37<detly>there used to be a gtk subdir under the images/hd-media area pointed to by the installation manual, but it isn't there
11:37<detly>oh right
11:37<kop>detly: (But I've not tried a usb stick.)
11:39<detly>I remember there used to be a bootable image (vmlinuz/initrd.gz) that brought up a graphical menu allowing you to select "installation", "rescue mode", etc
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11:41<detly>yes, there's a gtk subdirectory under, but not
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11:51<detly>I might ask on the mailing list - thanks anyway :)
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12:37<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat
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12:39<PhatPhungus>as a beginner installing on power PC, which CDs should I install?
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12:39<jordanm>PhatPhungus: I would ask #debianppc since there are some differences.. such as the bootloader
12:39<PhatPhungus>aight, thanks
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12:42<PhatPhungus>no one in there is responding, take a guess?
12:42<rmayorga>you should use ppc installer
12:43<rmayorga>the boot loader and some things are different, but the installation process is the same
12:43<PhatPhungus>right, I have the first three cds from the powerpc installer here
12:43<rmayorga>well, that will be enough
12:44<PhatPhungus>will it have a gui on it?
12:44<rmayorga>not sure
12:44<rmayorga>you can always install it later anyway
12:46<PhatPhungus>(sorry for being a total noob)
12:47<rmayorga>using apt-get/aptitude
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13:02<cesurasean>can someone tell me why my spell check for pidgin is not working anymore?
13:03<cesurasean>what is the pidgin spell check package name for squeeze?
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13:04<dkr>I think it might use aspell
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13:05<Aleric>I did: sudo mount -r -o remount /home
13:05<Aleric>which returns without errors,... but I can still create files on /home ??
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13:07<dkr>cesurasean: actually ldd `which pidgin`|grep spell showed
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13:13<locklace>Aleric: what does "grep home /proc/mounts" show? try mount -o ro,remount /home
13:14<Aleric>/dev/md5 /home ext3 rw,relatime,errors=continue,data=ordered 0 0
13:14<Aleric>even after that last command
13:14<Aleric>I deleted a file that I need back... going to reboot :/ hopefull reboot works without /home grrmbl
13:14<locklace>Aleric: how about mount -o remount,ro /dev/md5 /home
13:15<Aleric>>sudo mount -t ext3 -o remount,ro /dev/md5 /home
13:15<Aleric>mount: /home is busy
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13:16<locklace>Aleric: fuser -m /home
13:16<Aleric>lol = loads and loads
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13:17<locklace>you can't do the remount until there are no processes with open files in the filesystem
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13:25<tweakkkk>hi, seit ich heute den kernel aktualisiert habe funzt alsa nicht mehr :( hier ein paar Ausgaben und $ sudo apt-get install --reinstall linux-image-$(uname -r) hat auch nichts gebracht
13:26<dpkg>Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
13:26<tweakkkk>upss sorry
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13:40<musca>,versions xserver-xorg
13:40<judd>xserver-xorg -- etch: 1:7.1.0-19; lenny: 1:7.3+20; sid: 1:7.5+6; squeeze: 1:7.5+6
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13:45<sandra>¿hay alguien'
13:45<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat
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13:48<Aleric>ok, file recovered :)
13:48<locklace>!congratulate Aleric
13:48<dpkg>Woohoo Aleric, you did it!
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13:50<keito>Hey there guys, just installed Debian and there are a few questions I have regarding the setup... 1)...
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13:51<keito>I require non-free wifi firmware (I was asked for the files during installation) I had them on a flash drive in a folder, I don't know whether it loaded them as my wifi still does not work
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13:52<keito>2) I am warned at the terminal that "The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required:" but there is a list of apps that I _do_ want.. how can I stop it from saying this warning without removing and re-installing?
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13:52<dpkg>Is aptitude or apt-get trying to remove packages that it thinks were automatically installed? This happens when you "aptitude install gnome" and then later remove bits of it, the gnome meta-package will be uninstalled and aptitude will try to remove lots more. Fix this by running "aptitude install packagename" or "aptitude unmarkauto packagename" on strategically chosen packages, or reinstall the <metapackage>.
13:52<jordanm>keito: 1) check dmesg for warnings of missing firmware 2) aptitude keep-all
13:52<keito>3) I installed the nvidia binary drivers, but they have not loaded
13:53<jordanm>unmarkauto is more appropriate... but also more time consuming
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13:53<jordanm>keito: 3) how?
13:53<keito>via apt
13:53<jordanm>did you follow the nvidia guide on the wiki?
13:53<keito>I selected the vdpau driver and it auto selected glx driver etc
13:54<keito>... no ...
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13:54<keito>should I
13:54<jordanm>keito: yes
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13:54<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see . If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Testing users: ask me about <nvidia squeeze>. Installing directly from (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (
13:54<keito>ah, how come it isn;t that simple? do i need to edit xorg.conf manually
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13:55<jordanm>keito: no, nvidia-xconfig generates a xorg.conf for you
13:55<keito>I've come from the dreaded "U" distro and this part of the setup is done for you know-a-days
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13:55<keito>so I need to run that... bnut I'll read the guide first
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13:55<jordanm>keito: feel free to come back if you run into trouble
13:57<keito>I know what driver I need for wifi - iwlwifi-5000-1 - how do I select this via apt? It looks like the non-free wifi firmwares are bundled together in a package.. does the system automatically differentiate or know what blob to use?
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13:57<cahoot>keito: yes
13:57<keito>jordanm, thanks for the help btw, much appreciated.. it's always fun to use other distros and see the variance in the way you manage the system...
13:58<dpkg>iwlwifi is the new driver for Intel 3945 and 4965 wireless LAN chipsets since Lenny. Firmware is required, ask me about <non-free sources> and install the firmware-iwlwifi package to provide. See (particularly if switching from ipw3945). See also <iwlagn> <wmaster0>. #ipw2100 on
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14:00<keito>just curious, but quite a few guides appear to favour aptitude over apt... I've been an apt fan for 5years now.. am I in the wrong camp.. is there something I'm missing out on?
14:01<locklace>!why aptitude
14:01<dpkg>aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution and will often find a solution where apt-get gives up. It can be used from the command line like apt-get plus an interactive resolver makes it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. It has advanced search capabilities (see <aptitude search>).
14:01<cahoot>!why aptitude
14:02<keito>thank you folks, very enlightening
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14:06<meowcats>apt search often leads to a face palm
14:08<jordanm>as it displays 200 results
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14:36<davi>Logitech QuickCam 4000 Pro USB webcam
14:36<davi>is detected but does not work
14:36<davi>on Debian squeeze
14:36<davi>I think that is a kernel problem. Is it specific to Debian or to the Linux kernel?
14:36<cahoot>'does not work'? how do you test?
14:37<davi>The hardware work, as it work in a Debian lenny box.
14:37<davi>I plug it in. It is detected (/var/log/syslog) and /dev/video0 created
14:37<davi>but it does not show any image
14:37<davi>ekiga hang
14:38<davi>'cheese' just shows black screen, both at photo and video mode
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14:39<Hs2>Ma ktoœ chwilê, ¿eby pomóc laikowi :D?
14:39<dpkg>pl is probably polska -> #debian-pl (on Also, pl is a common extension for perl scripts and is sometimes used as an abbreviation for "packet loss".
14:39<davi>I think that is a kernel problem. I do not know if it is a specific Debian Linux kernel image problem or a Linux kernel one
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14:40<Cacatoes>@davi, IIRC kernel changed a bit with how it deals with webcams, change from v4l to v4l2, but debian kernel should come with all the needed stuff, you should check your dmesg and see if your cam is well listed, lsusb and so on
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14:40<cahoot>since /dev/video0 is created it looks like it's recognised
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14:41<cahoot>if it's a uvcvideo device you might try luvcview to test
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14:44<davi>Cacatoes, both dmesg and lsusb shows it load and detect plug-in and unload driver rightly
14:44<davi>lsusb: Bus 003 Device 005: ID 046d:08b2 Logitech, Inc. QuickCam Pro 4000
14:45<davi>Tested again: ekiga hang, cheese shows black
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14:47<Cacatoes>I wonder how we can check if it uses V4L1 or 2
14:48<babilen>davi: module "pwc" loaded? Do you get any interesting output in dmesg when you "modprobe -r pwc && modprobe pwc" ?
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14:50<davi>lsmod | grep pwc
14:50<davi>pwc 72006 0
14:50<davi>videodev 29977 1 pwc
14:50<davi>usbcore 121703 9 snd_usb_audio,snd_usb_lib,pwc,dvb_usb_dib0700,dvb_usb,usbhid,uhci_hcd,ehci_hcd
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14:52<davi>modprobe -r pwc && modprobe pwc
14:52<davi> /var/log/syslog
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14:54<davi>dmesg which is similar to /var/log/syslog
14:54<babilen>davi: well, that looks good :-\
14:55<davi>Only thing is the odd device
14:55<davi>[43819.639359] input: PWC snapshot button as /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1a.0/usb3/3-2/input/input19
14:55<davi> /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1...
14:55<davi>Could be that the source of the problem?
14:55<babilen>that might be a button to take snapshots on your webcam ..
14:56<davi>ah, yes
14:56<babilen>do you have such a button?
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14:56<davi>let me try to push it
14:56<davi>on cheese
14:57<davi>nothing happens
14:57<davi>This seems to be something to report bug
14:57<babilen>yeah - check with xawtv and skype as well ... but that seems to be a bug as the webcam is correctly identified and /dev/video0 is created (as it should)
14:58<davi>Should I report it to linux-image-2.6.32-3-amd64 package?
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14:58<babilen>that seems to be the correct package (just don't make it serious or grave or ...) ;)
14:59<babilen>but try the two programs i mentioned as well (forget skype if you don't want to/have it)
14:59<davi>ok. I am installing them
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14:59<davi>I will not install skype as it is not Free Software
15:00<babilen>sure :)
15:00<babilen>no argument there ;)
15:02<davi>xawtv hangs too, setting USB as video source
15:03<babilen>not unexpectedly :-\
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15:05<paula>hello ganneffç
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15:13<PhatPhungus>I'm trying to install on a laptop, and when I get to where I need to put in a new cd, it asks me to put it in, but i don't know how to eject the original one without going back to the menu
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15:18<jordanm>back to what menu?
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15:20<Cacatoes>push the button
15:20<Cacatoes>or open some console ALT+F2 and type "eject" in it
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15:43<PhatPhungus>I'm on an iBook g4
15:44<PhatPhungus>option, control, command F2 don't work
15:44<PhatPhungus>the eject key won't eject the cd
15:44<babilen>PhatPhungus: Try to switch to a console (ALT+F2 - ALT+F3), type "mount" and then "eject /wherever/the/cd/is/mounted"
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15:45<PhatPhungus>aight, thanks
15:46<SuperMiguel>whats a light msn messenger?
15:46<PhatPhungus>how do I get out of the console?
15:47<rudi_s>SuperMiguel: pidgin (not sure if you can call that light ..)
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15:47<rudi_s>If you want something really light try bitlbee or minbif and use it with an IRC program of your choise (preferable irssi - console only ;-))
15:48<PhatPhungus>nevermind, got it
15:48<SuperMiguel>rudi_s, pidgin is like 11MB for me :(
15:48<SuperMiguel>irssi supports msn protocol?
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15:49<rudi_s>SuperMiguel: No, but it does with the help of bitlbee/minbif which provide a gateway. (minbif is only in lenny backports).
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15:50<babilen>PhatPhungus: Did that work?
15:50<PhatPhungus>yeah, except now it wont install yaboot
15:50<SuperMiguel>so in squeeze u have to use bitlbee
15:50<rudi_s>SuperMiguel: No, minbif is also in squeeze and sid; just not in lenny.
15:51<babilen>SuperMiguel: bitlbee works great - no experience with minibf (worth checking out?)
15:51<rudi_s>babilen: From what I heard, yes, but I haven't tried it myself (only used bitlbee so far).
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15:51<babilen>rudi_s: same here (just heard about it)
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15:53<babilen>rudi_s: package desc sound interesting - will check it out.
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15:54<rudi_s>babilen: If you've got it working, please tell me how it works ;-)
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15:55<babilen>sure - but give me a month (kinda busy these days)
15:55<rudi_s>Thanks. Take your time (I'm quite busy myself).
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16:03<MrFaint>please, there is any room for wine hq on this server?
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16:05<rudi_s>MrFaint: There is #winehq on Freenode.
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16:07<MrFaint>rudi_s: do you know if the room is open? i think it is invites only?
16:07<rudi_s>MrFaint: #winehq note the hq .. maybe you need to register, not sure, but I don't think so.
16:08<MrFaint>okay rudis thanks very much, lets try there, good bye
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16:11<tuxcrafter>i am trying to boot from a sata controler witn the mvsas driver and i managed to get grub loading and all but mdadm fails because the mvsas drivers takes a little bit to load and detects the drives
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16:11<tuxcrafter>how can i fix this
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16:11<tuxcrafter>so that mdadm starts loading after mvsas settles
16:12<tuxcrafter>should i do this in the initram tools? and how?
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16:14<MrFaint>rudis, wont you would like to help me installing wine?
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16:15<tuxcrafter>how can i set this wait_for_scsi option i find in topics with gogle
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16:36<tuxcrafter>GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="rootdelay=20 rootfstype=ext4"
16:36<tuxcrafter>fixed it
16:36<tuxcrafter>as workaround the mvsas should be listed in some scsi tables
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16:44<keito>Hey there folks I'm having a bit of trouble with installing the nvidia driver to a new debian system... At first I merely installed the vdpau driver which selected the other packages such as glx etc... I have since read that there is more to it than that
16:45<keito>I've looked through the wiki on nvidia installation on debian, and it looks like I need to install the kernel module
16:45<ryan22>ya i would follow the instructions
16:45<ryan22>kernel has to load the module
16:46<keito>thing is I can't seem to manage this, on a stock kernel carrying out the instructions I get an error
16:46<keito>apt-get install nvidia-kernel${VERSION}-$(uname -r)
16:46<keito>leads to E: Couldn't find package nvidia-kernel-2.6.32-3-686
16:47<keito>do I have to build manually or am I missing something?
16:47<ml|>keito: /msg dpkg nvidia squeeze
16:47<keito>I've enabled sid in the sources
16:48<ryan22>did you "apt-get update"
16:48<keito>ryan22, yeah and upgrade
16:49<ryan22>does debian have jockey?
16:49<ryan22>on sec
16:49<keito>when I upgraded i'm now dropped down to low graphics using the nouveau driver it would appear
16:49<keito>no jockey
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16:49<keito>which is a shame
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16:49<ryan22>man ya that is a shame
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16:50<keito>!nvidia dkm
16:50<keito>!nvidia dkms
16:50<dpkg>[nvidia dkms] For Squeeze users. Ensure you have <non-free sources> added. "aptitude install linux-headers-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,'` nvidia-glx nvidia-xconfig && nvidia-xconfig -o /etc/X11/xorg.conf". See also <nvidia>.
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16:51<keito>I take it that even though it states squeeze, the same applies for sid
16:51<ml|>keito: you are on sid?
16:51<keito>yeah, I altered the sources from squeeze to unstable
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16:52<ml|>ok, just that kernel is a squeeze kernel iirc
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16:52<judd>Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.34-1-686 (2.6.34-1~experimental.1); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-15); squeeze: 2.6.32-3-686 (2.6.32-9); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.4-686 (2.6.32-11~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-22lenny1); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2)
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16:52<keito>I shall pastebin my sources.list to see if I've messed it up
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16:54<keito> is that not setup for sid?!
16:55<ml|>keito: aptitude search '~i ~n(linux-image)' and pastebin
16:55<keito>surely with this line - deb unstable main non-free contrib - it is sid only?
16:56<ml|>sources look fine; did you aptitude update && aptitude full-upgrade ?
16:56<keito>well i did apt-get update && etc etc
16:57<ml|>well what is etc etc?
16:57<keito>sorry... sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
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16:58<ml|>you need to do dist-upgrade with apt-get or use aptitude like above _if_ you want to be in sid
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16:59<keito>right well gonna give that a go... I'll be back once done to try and get nvidia up and running! cheers for the help
16:59<ml|>good luck
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17:04<keito>I'm back! Had to kill X for some reason as couldn't get lock on admin even though no package manager process was running... 8/
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17:05<keito>currently doing a dist-upgrade, can see the kernel on the list (linux-headers-2.6-686)
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17:32<Cygnus>anyone familiar with kerberos or Cas, if so where can i read some indepth info?
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17:41<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see . If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Testing users: ask me about <nvidia squeeze>. Installing directly from (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (
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17:41<locklace>!msg the bot
17:41<dpkg>Please message the bot... not doing so could be considered an unnecessary flood. Instead of typing "!tell <your nick> about <topic>" you can just type "/msg dpkg <topic>". See also <selftell>. Also visit to learn how to effectively use the factoids database, or ask me about <bot help> <help>
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17:43<keito>!nvidia m-a
17:43<dpkg>[nvidia m-a] For Lenny and Squeeze users. Ensure you have <non-free sources> added. "aptitude install module-assistant && m-a a-i nvidia-kernel". After successful module compilation, "aptitude install nvidia-glx nvidia-xconfig && nvidia-xconfig -o /etc/X11/xorg.conf". See also <nvidia>.
17:43<keito>dammit sorry once again
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17:44<tuxcrafter>mkdir --verbose /home/user/disks/sd[bcdfijk]1
17:44<tuxcrafter>why does that not create multiple directories
17:44<tuxcrafter>did i mis something?
17:44<keito>what is the ideal method for installing nvidia drivers in sid?
17:45<locklace>you missed the way shell globbing works
17:45<tuxcrafter>locklace: can you hit me on the head how it should be done?
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17:49<tuxcrafter>locklace: mkdir --verbose /home/jelle/disks/sd{b,c,d}1
17:49<tuxcrafter>locklace: foud it
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17:54<keito>tuxcrafter, for some reason I thought it was {n1|n2|n3} but soon learnt it wasn't... a handy tip to know (one I've learnt before and forgotten too)
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18:29<taggart>squeeze update broke my two finger touchpad scrolling, anybody know how to fix that?
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18:33<smv>hello. i've just filled a hard disk with random data from /dev/urandom using dd, but if i do tail /dev/sda i don't see any output for a log time. i suppose that the disk wasn't filled, even if dd said so at the end, and i think there might be a bug in dd or in /dev/urandom. i never checked before, when using i386, but only now when using amd64 kernel. is there any other method to check? note that i'm using 2.6.32-5-amd64 in sid.
18:34<taggart>ah I just found this
18:34<taggart>that's a start
18:35<taggart>smv: don't use tail
18:35<smv>what else then?
18:35<taggart>it's probably having to read everything to get to the end (although I thought it was smarter than that)
18:35<taggart>you can use dd to read just the end
18:36<smv>can you give me an example of how do i do that?
18:36<taggart>I think you want the skip option to dd, check out the man page
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18:36<taggart>hopefully that will be faster
18:37<taggart>if not I think there are tools that will let you read backwards
18:37<taggart>I think maybe dd_rescue can do that
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18:38<icebreaker>i have a problem, I installed my debian, but i forget to add my '/home' partition, how can i add this partition with the system installed?
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18:39<icebreaker>to replace /home default directory with my partition...obs: the partition "/home" has been created
18:40<smv>taggart, but why tail isn't good? using tail with -c shows output but not at the end of /dev/sda
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18:41<taggart>smv: I think it would if you waited long enough
18:41<taggart>icebreaker: yes you can do this, /home is actually one of the easier ones to add later
18:41<taggart>icebreaker: do you have a partition for it (or a lvol)?
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18:43<smv>taggart, so it might just be the fact that it has to read the drive before it reaches the end, and actually the drive is filled with data?
18:46<taggart>yeah that's what I am thinking, but I thought tail was smarter than that
18:46<taggart>maybe this is some limitation I don't know about like tail has no way of knowing where the end is to start there
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18:46<taggart>I would think the filesystem would know that
18:47<taggart>although in your case there's no FS, so maybe that's the problem?
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18:49<smv>i thought that too, about tail, that's why i used it. but i also used the -c option and i had no output at the end of the drive, but got output if checked at, say, 3/4 of the drive
18:52<taggart>anyway try dd to be sure
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18:57<smv>taggart, mind showing me a exact command? did read the dd manual, but i don't really figure out how should i use that option...
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18:58<jamuraa>anyone have an installation cdimage location for a non-broken testing snapshot? the one I have has broken extfsprogs
18:59<taggart>smv: something like: dd if=/dev/sda skip=#
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19:00<taggart>where # is the number of blocks to skip
19:01<taggart>and it's in blocks which is probably 512k bytes for your disk I think
19:01<taggart>how big is sda?
19:02<taggart>icebreaker: still there?
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19:02<smv>taggart, 250GB
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19:03<Guest819>I would like to introduce myself, i am new to debian irc, zap
19:03<icebreaker>yeah, i'm here, i traing to add the partition on fstab and to replace /home default directory everyboot I do
19:03<icebreaker>i'm traing*
19:04<taggart>so I think you want skip=499GB
19:04<icebreaker>my sda have 320gb
19:04<taggart>icebreaker: so you should be able to do it on the live system as log as you aren't logged in as a mortal user
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19:04<taggart>icebreaker: just switch to a vt and login as root (root's home is /root and not in /home)
19:05<icebreaker>sorry, my inglish is not very good..
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19:05<taggart>icebreaker: no problem
19:05<icebreaker>I know, I know...
19:05<Guest819>how do i change Guest819 to my normal nick zap
19:05<smv>taggart, i used skip=249GB and i get: cannot skip: Invalid argument
19:05<icebreaker>i'm logged with root user..
19:06<taggart>Guest819: type "/nick zap"
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19:06<taggart>smv: so you need to double it because of the 512k blocks
19:06<icebreaker>and i want to use a partition home, but the system has created one before
19:06<taggart>but maybe it doesn't like the GB modifier
19:06<zzap>Thanks zap must be used
19:07<smv>zzap, /msg NickServ regain zapp your_password
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19:08<smv>taggart, i also used G, both should be accepted
19:08<taggart>smv: try skip=499000000 instead (assuming my numbers are correct)
19:09<smv>should have used 2 instead of 4, the disk is only 250GB ;)
19:09<zzap>could someone point me in the right direction with a problem i am having "Permission denied (publickey,password)" when creating a new user
19:10<debacle>hi all, i've added today a PCIe card with some sata discs. After rebbot my lenny refused to boot 'cause "waiting for root filesystem ..." . I've fixed this labelling my partitions and updating /boot/grub/menu.lst and /etc/fstab. Now all seems to be ok. There is still a little problem. My boot disc is recognized by debian as /dev/sde (because sda...sdd are freshly installed discs). This makes me paranoid. Is there a way to tell debian to map bo
19:10<debacle>ot disc as /dev/sda ?
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19:10<debacle>Is there a way to tell debian to map boot disc as /dev/sda ?
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19:11<taggart>zzap: when trying to ssh into the machine?
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19:11<zzap>I can logon with root and create a new user but can not log on to the users using ssh remote
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19:11<taggart>debacle: you can use UUID labels instead to be sure, check out /dev/dsk
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19:12<taggart>I think there is also a way to force sda, sdb, etc to be the devices you want with udev, probably in udev rules or something
19:12<taggart>but then the other issue is the order the BIOS finds them in
19:12<taggart>zzap: try ssh -v to get more info
19:13<taggart>zzap: are you trying to use keys or just a password?
19:13<zzap>Yes when trying to ssh onto this machine. its a newly setup server
19:13<zzap>just password
19:13<taggart>does it prompt for password or just give that error immediately?
19:14<zzap>it prompts for a password
19:14<taggart>zzap: look ing /etc/ssh/sshd_config for PasswordAuthentication
19:14<zzap>Thanks i will do this first :)
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19:15<debacle>taggart: infact i've switched to uuid labels to make my debian able to boot again .... i'm just paranoid to have sde as boot ... i do not want to sde as boot i'd like it to be sda. I think i can forget my boot disc is sde and do to it something harmful (read dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sde)
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19:16<zzap>tagget: this is commented out and is yes
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19:17<zzap>sorry mate taggart:
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19:18<zzap>Should this be un commented and kept as YES
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19:18<taggart>zzap: I can't remember what the default is, I think maybe yes but let me look
19:18<taggart>zzap: did ssh -v from the client tell you anything useful?
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19:19<zzap>I tried ssh -v and will goggle the results. bit lost with what i am seeing there.
19:20<taggart>it tries different methods and tells you what happened at each step, look for the part about the password authentication
19:21<taggart>also make sure you are sure about what the password is :)
19:21<taggart>gotta go, bbl
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19:46<zzap>Authentications that can continue: publickey,password
19:47<zzap>sorry guys got a bit lost then
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19:48<zzap>This is the message i get when trying to log into a new user account crreated on a fresh debian install at a remote site
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19:49<zzap>I created a new user on a debian machine setup for me and i can not log into it any ideas.
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19:50<petemc>check auth.log or run sshd in debug mode
19:50<petemc>!debug sshd
19:50<dpkg>To debug sshd (server), run this as root on the server: "/usr/sbin/sshd -d -p 2222". Then use "ssh -p 2222 username@servername" on the client. See also <slow ssh connect>. <ssh permissions>
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19:51<zzap>I did adduser from root then typed the pasword twice correctly just can't ssh into that account.
19:52<zzap>I will try those reccomendations right away thanks.
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19:56<zzap>If i change the root password i can not login under the new root password. when i change it back to the orginal i can log back in. anyideas
19:57<petemc>any non standard characters in the non functioning password?
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19:58<zzap>non standard i use ,./ and text
19:59<zzap>i can change the password to same on my home debian box and it works.
19:59<petemc>and the logs / debug output says?
20:00<zzap>This is a dedicated server just delivered to me for hosting c64 files.
20:00<petemc>what difference does that make?
20:01<zzap>I did not set it up just have root access, goes towards not sure how it setup for ssh logins. :)
20:02<petemc>you shouldnt have to do anything, but in any case im having trouble understanding your reticence to read logs
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20:03<zzap>auth.log states Failed password
20:03<zzap>for my attempts at login under new account.
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20:05<edbian>How can I tell what services are running on my debian server?
20:05<zzap>I posted a ticket with support will wait for ther reply not sure where to start looking for answers.
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20:09<zzap>edbian: Try ps -aux
20:09<edbian>zzap, That did it. Thanks
20:10<zzap>I use top as well
20:10<edbian>I also looked at tasksel just to see which of those were highlighted
20:10<zzap>just to see whats using the most cpu
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20:11<edbian>I'm planning to set up an Internal DNS server for my network so that when I ping "bach" from any machine "bach" (ip address will respond. Is that possible?
20:12<denux>edbian: yes that is possible
20:12<edbian>denux, Awesome
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20:13<edbian>denux, I'm looking for a good how to and having some trouble finding one so I asked.
20:13<edbian>I'm searching "how to debian lan dns"
20:14<denux>my internet connection trouble, help me please!
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20:23<ryan22>edbian: you should just be able to use your router
20:23<edbian>ryan22, Really?
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20:23<ryan22>ya it works for me out of the box on my network
20:23<edbian>ryan22, What should I be looking for in there? it's a linksys for what it's worth
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20:23<ryan22>though i use dd-wrt on my router, which i linux
20:23<ryan22>i would recommend tomato or dd-wrt
20:24<edbian>Well I haven't done that yet ;)
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20:25<k_>could you help me please
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20:27<PovAddict>I upgraded libc from debian sid, and now ./configure scripts hang at "checking whether a statically linked program can dlopen itself"
20:28<PovAddict>the conftest process is using 100% CPU
20:29<PovAddict>I looked at it from strace and looks like it only does three brk()s and gets to this state
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20:49<PovAddict>ok rebooting didn't help
20:50<PovAddict>downgrading libc back to 2.10.2-9 did help
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20:54<k_>how to ask for help?
20:54<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
20:54<pfifo>hmm how did i wind up on #debian? whats up you guise!
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20:54<k_>i have a problem
20:55<pfifo>this isnt freenode
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20:55<k_>i m running debian testing
20:55<k_>with openbox
20:55<k_>all cool
20:56<k_>today i wanted to try on a external monitor
20:56<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
20:56<k_>as soon as i "startx"
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20:57<k_>the external monitor just turns off
20:57<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
20:58<ml|>k_: /msg dpkg msg the bot
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20:59<ml|>edbian: /msg dpkg /etc/hosts
20:59<k_>im sorry i dont understand..can so plz help me or tell me where to get help
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21:00<edbian>ml|, I was aware of that. Thank you though
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21:00<ml|>ok, sounded like you did not know, with your question above
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21:02<edbian>ml|, I understand. I am tired of editing those files on every computer. After you have more than a couple computers it gets tedious
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21:03<ml|>if it's just for your lan; make one with all ip's etc.. and just copy them over
21:04<ryan22>edbian: i would try the linux router fireware
21:04<edbian>ml|, But then if / when I add another system I have to copy over a new file to every machine
21:04<edbian>ryan22, That it starting to sound like a better idea
21:04<ml|>yes, how many system are there?
21:04<edbian>Although I'm not against the LAN DNS. I don't really know why you guys are
21:04<edbian>Going on 15
21:04<ryan22>as i can ssh into any computer on my network using hostnames
21:04<edbian>ryan22, That's the goal
21:05<ryan22>no modifications of /etc/hosts neccessary
21:05<edbian>ml|, And some are not linux (windows, xbox 360, wii, an ipad)
21:05<ryan22>with pretty much the default settings
21:06<ml|>ok, yes local dns server makes more sense for you, but for a few machines it's a waste
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21:07<edbian>ml|, I agree
21:07<ryan22>i think dd-wrt acts as a dns server
21:07<zzap>A moment of your time please. If you change your root password and cant logon then change it back to the orginal password and can logon what would the problem be ?
21:07<ryan22>i usually tell it to use opendns externally though
21:08<edbian>ryan22, It does
21:08<ryan22>tomato does too but it has beeter interface
21:08<edbian>ryan22, I use open-dns as well. I heard google is fast but quite frankly they harvest enough of my data :)
21:08<ml|>does dd-wrt use dnsmasq?
21:08<PovAddict>zzap: you change your root password and can't logon to your normal user or to root?
21:08<ryan22>the prob with tomato though is it doesnt support neraly as many routers
21:09<ryan22>ml|: yep
21:09<ml|>I use tomato and works great for me
21:09<PovAddict>zzap: after changing root password, did you try logging in with the new one *and* the old one? (in case for some reason your change isn't getting saved :P)
21:09<PovAddict>hm, dinner ->
21:10<ryan22>tomato is good, though i dont like how i cant turn off the firewall and just use the router as a AP if i want, like i can with dd-wrt
21:10<ml|>ryan22: dnsmaq is a forwarder not a full dns server...
21:10<ryan22>hmm one sec
21:10<zzap>i will try that now. also if i create a new user i can login under the new user.
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21:12<ryan22>yep its using dnsmasq for the dchp server and dns "server"
21:12<ryan22>but hostnames work fine
21:12<zzap>no can't log in under old or new password
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21:14<zzap>just changed the password back and i can log on
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21:15<ryan22>ya looking that that guide dnsmasq gets the hostname from dhcp, which is why hostnames work on my network
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21:15<ml|>what I meant by full dns server, is that it does for lan but not for the net
21:16<ryan22>it looks like a computer setup with dnsmasq would be more than enough though
21:16<ryan22>or a router to make it easy
21:17<ml|>yes, for lan it works fine
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21:18<ryan22>i *heart* linux and how it makes my life easy without even releasing it
21:19<ryan22>ah so i guess a dns forwarder does lan but a dns server does both lan and wan
21:23<zzap>what type of ssh would not allow you to change you root password or add new users or could they be encrypted ?
21:25<ryan22>you can customize it via users
21:25<ryan22>and give the users you setup it up to be able to log into only certain permissions
21:26<zzap>i just tried ssh login on a new user locally and still no go. i posted a support ticket with provider.
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21:54<john275>Hey guys im running ubuntu 10.04 (great so far) and was wondering if there was a way to play back HD video (and flash) with hardware acceleration. I have an ATI card. Thanks
21:54<zzap>just taken dellivery of a new debian bo and created a newuser but cant login under that new user anyone have any ideas.
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21:55<zzap>also if i change the root password i can't login under the new password unless i change it back.
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21:56<zzap>This is over ssh, the system allows me to change thepassword without no errors.
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21:58<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
21:58<ml|>john275: ^
21:58<Xenguy>.oO(Prior-ities: things you shoulda known were important a long time ago ;-)
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22:01<zzap>I have made no changes and suddenly i haveaccess to my newly created user names. ?
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22:03<zzap>What would cause that type of delay on creating new user account accessible
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22:40<reklipz>Hey all. I'm having issues installing grub2 on debian squeeze. I received this error: /usr/sbin/grub-setup: error: out of disk.
22:42<Xenguy>reklipz: disk space?
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22:43<reklipz>I have a 1 TB dmraid disk.
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22:45<Xenguy>reklipz: well then :-)
22:46<Xenguy>so why out of disk I wonder?
22:46<reklipz>1 second, phone
22:46<Xenguy>maybe your disk is too big
22:47<Xenguy>or maybe sqeeze is buggy? (yes, this is how rumours start :-)
22:47<reklipz>Squeeze is buggy, see
22:48<reklipz>But that one was recently resolved.
22:48<reklipz>(I was the submitter, incase that wasn't apparent)
22:48<Xenguy>reklipz: oh, didn't check yet, just thought it was amusing
22:48<reklipz>One of the hdd in my raid failed, RMA'd it, and fresh installing it again
22:49<reklipz>no worries
22:49<Xenguy>so where does that leave you then?
22:50*Xenguy notes the dishes *must* be done =)
22:51<reklipz>on the phone with a friend at the moment
22:51<Xenguy>no worries then
22:51<reklipz>okies, back
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22:51<jpinx-eeepc>reklipz: fwiw I have a vague recollection of someone else commenting on squeeze/grub2 not playing nice. Squeeze is not stable ;)
22:52<reklipz>I'm sure I can get this figured out, I just wanted to make sure that whatever bug I find gets to the proper channel
22:52<reklipz>Or see if it's already been resolved.
22:53<reklipz>I'm hoping it's unrelated to dmraid, as that was my last bug, and that has been fixed.
22:53<jpinx-eeepc>reklipz: I am sure they will appreciate it if you file the bug resolution. they want to freeze squeeze reasonably soon
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22:54<reklipz>how do I check the version of an installed package using apt?
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22:56<reklipz>dpkg -l grub-pc ?
22:56<dpkg>No packages found matching grub-pc
22:56<jpinx-eeepc>reklipz: apt-cache policy package
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22:57<reklipz>wait, it appears that the fix hasn't yet been pushed to squeeze, am I correct in that assumption?
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22:58<reklipz>This is the bug/fix I'm referring to,
23:00<reklipz>How would I install a version which contained the fix, or would I have to compile it manually?
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23:15<Solifugus>Is kde 4 coming out soon for Debian Lenny? Someone told me it might be..
23:16<PovAddict>it's never going to
23:16<PovAddict>lenny won't be getting major new versions of *anything*
23:17<Solifugus>so... I must stick with sid for that?
23:17<PovAddict>get squeeze
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23:17<PovAddict>which will become stable... eventually :)
23:17<Solifugus>ok.. i will take a look at that...
23:18<Solifugus>I've been using lenny for servers and Sidux for desktop.. but sun-java6-jdk on sidux seems broken--takes up near 100% cpu for various just booting eclipse
23:19<Solifugus>wierd thing about lenny though... logwatch package doesn't seem to install with ANY config file... just empty directories under /etc
23:22<gsimmons>Solifugus: There's a reason for that, refer to HOWTO-Customize-LogWatch.
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23:29<ryan22>Solifugus: !backports
23:29<dpkg>[backport] a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), . Ask me about <> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>.
23:30<Solifugus>ryan22: you mean for the java problem?
23:30<ryan22>did you try openjdk and icedtead?
23:33<Solifugus>ryan22: no.. i didn't.. I want to run the Android Developer plug to Eclipse (ADT plugin) and they recommend sun-java6-jdk....
23:33<Solifugus>in theory.. it has fewer problems
23:35<Solifugus>but maybe I'll need to try that.. since i seem to have nothing else to try..
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23:44<edbian>Some one in #ubuntu just told me that they can attach a debugger to a running process and edit the binary code of that program live while it is running and therefore compromise the system.
23:44<edbian>Is that true?
23:45<reklipz>edbian: I would believe it.
23:45<twiggz>Good evening, internets.
23:45<reklipz>edbian: As far as compromising the system, I'm sure you're only able to attach to process you own.
23:46<edbian>reklipz, That's right
23:46<edbian>but you can than make that process do anything you want...
23:46<edbian>would it only be able to do things you are able to do normally?
23:46<PovAddict>sure, what else?
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23:47<reklipz>You can write in assembly/machine code if you want, being able to change a running process is no different, in effect.
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23:48<edbian>But it's not a security flaw because you could only attach to processes that you own. Therefore you could only do things with the code that you could already do...
23:48<edbian>is that right?
23:49<reklipz>In theory at least.
23:49<reklipz>Bugs do exist...
23:50<edbian>someone in #ubuntu thinks he is a hacker :D
23:50<PovAddict>if he knows how to use a debugger, he is
23:50<twiggz>I thought everyone in that channel that wasnt asking dumbass questions thinks they are a "hacker" ?
23:51<PovAddict>#ubuntu is a noobnest indeed -.-
23:51<twiggz>#ubuntu is offtopic...
23:52<edbian>ha ha
23:52<edbian>Let's not be elitist
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23:53<stygian>I'm having trouble with sendmail address rewrites: recipient fqdn gets a '.' appended to it. would someone help?
23:53<twiggz>22:53 : dpkg: Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
23:54<PovAddict>if you want to see "not living up to Debian's standards" see Cydia :P
23:55<twiggz>Not elitest, just channel guidelines/rules.
23:55<edbian>ha ha
23:55<edbian>Now that's thinking like an elitist! XD
23:55<PovAddict>edbian: we just don't want to waste time helping with Ubuntu here
23:56<edbian>PovAddict, understood
23:56<twiggz>It could be worse, they could set that stupid eggdrop to kickban you when you mention ubuntu.
23:56<twiggz>I would.
23:57<PovAddict>"I tried to buy a Renault in a Renault shop, but there were no salesmen available, so I came into this Ford shop. Why won't you sell me a Renault?!"
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23:58<twiggz>Niether of them run debian.
23:58<twiggz>Pay me no mind. Im quite intoxicated and an outcast here anyway. I dont care.
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23:59<twiggz>I missed a few punctuation marcks.
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