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#debian IRC Logs for 2010-06-05

---Logopened Sat Jun 05 00:00:17 2010
00:00<twiggz>Since I have not said anything offtopic for a few days..I will say that my dvdrip of THE BOOK OF ELI damn owns. Its a great damn movie.
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00:01<twiggz>I could have had a cam much much sooner...but i wait for a good dvdrip of everything..
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00:05<reklipz>so wait, you were complaining about someone mentioning #ubuntu, but boasting about piracy is ok?
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00:06<PovAddict>well he did say he's intoxicated
00:06<reklipz>Ah yes.
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00:07<twiggz>yes, thats exactly the case.
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00:08<GhostlyDeath>Hello, I have an ARM system but I'm having a problem with socket stuff, When any normal user tries to access a local (127.0.0.1) or remote host whether it be on the LAN or on the internet, they only get "socket: Permission denied", whereas root doesn't have this problem? Is there any way to fix this?
00:09<twiggz>since ubuntu is basically nothing more than a debian sid snapshot and a nvidia driver installer with a point and click installer for stupid people.....I dont understand why there are still folks in here trying to discuss ubuntu..
00:10<reklipz>GhostlyDeath: I'm going to go out on a limb and assume you're trying to access something on a port < 1024.
00:10<twiggz>not that debian doesnt have its own gui installer...*shrug*
00:10<GhostlyDeath>reklipz: Mostly
00:10<twiggz>so that makes ubuntu even less innovative..
00:10<GhostlyDeath>reklipz: Let me try a higher port
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00:11<twiggz>i understand that #ubuntu is a zoo...thats not #debian problem..
00:13<GhostlyDeath>reklipz: Using ssh to get to a server hosted on the high 30ks failed with Permission Denied
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00:16<reklipz>GhostlyDeath: interesting. You're trying to connect() with the ARM platform, not accept() or listen(), is what it sounds like, is that correct?
00:17<GhostlyDeath>reklipz: yes
00:17<reklipz>GhostlyDeath: If that's the case, then the <1024 issue shouldn't be, as tcp will pick ports > 1024 for the client end.
00:17<GhostlyDeath>That's what I was thinking
00:17<reklipz>GhostlyDeath: I'm at the end of my rope for help then, sorry. I'm interested though because I have a BeagleBoard I've yet to play with. Are you running Debian on the ARM I assume?
00:18<reklipz>I'd be interested in your development environment/setup/workflow if it's not too much of a hassle.
00:18<GhostlyDeath>Yes
00:18<GhostlyDeath>It's a WM8050
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00:18<twiggz>Mobile devices will be the death of everything...
00:18<GhostlyDeath>One of those small 7" books that don't have a kernel
00:19<GhostlyDeath>reklipz: It might be a file permission issue
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00:19<GhostlyDeath>But I do not know which file it would correspond to
00:20<reklipz>GhostlyDeath: That could be. Me either.
00:20<twiggz>Mobile devices = a bunch of tweeting idiots that think people give a shit about when they go to the can or when they are getting into their car..
00:20<GhostlyDeath>reklipz: I just can't hwclock, otherwise the system explodes
00:20<reklipz>lol
00:20<GhostlyDeath>reklipz: kernel goes insane
00:20<GhostlyDeath>So my clock is set to local time but Linux thinks it's UTC
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00:24<twiggz>another problem with mobile devices is that they are eating up ipv4 addys...
00:25<GhostlyDeath>How are they doing that?
00:25<reklipz>GhostlyDeath: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=622474&page=3
00:25<twiggz>are you an imbecile?
00:26<reklipz>twiggz: I'm pretty sure the kernel has support for ipv6
00:26<twiggz>what do you mean "How are they doing that?"
00:26<reklipz>it's up to the carriers to support it now...
00:26<twiggz>reklipz: just because the kernel supports it, which it does....doesnt mean isps do.
00:27<GhostlyDeath>reklipz: Afaik the kernel I'm using is android based
00:27<reklipz>GhostlyDeath: I figured as much, given that thread.
00:27<GhostlyDeath>twiggz: If they are on the internet using mobile networks, they are most likely given dynamic IPs
00:27<reklipz>GhostlyDeath: You may have better luck asking the android channels then
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00:27<GhostlyDeath>based on area and location
00:27<twiggz>ipv4 addresses mostly.
00:28<twiggz>99%
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00:28<reklipz>twiggz: but it's still up to verizon to purchase the addy space
00:28<reklipz>twiggz: or other isp...
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00:28<GhostlyDeath>plus they can always NAT mobile phones
00:29<twiggz>that doesnt help the fact that ipv4 addys are becoming scarce :)
00:29<reklipz>twiggz: correct. soon, the isps will start selling all of their extra ipv4 space on the black market
00:29<GhostlyDeath>reklipz: Know if they got a channel here?
00:30<reklipz>Time to install Windows...
00:30<reklipz>doesn't look like it
00:30<PovAddict>GhostlyDeath: probably not here but in freenode
00:30<reklipz>I would try freenode
00:30<reklipz>:)
00:30<GhostlyDeath>Thought this was freenode for a sec
00:30<reklipz>Need to auth to services on freenode btw
00:30<GhostlyDeath>I'm unaffiliated
00:32<reklipz>unaffiliated?
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00:32<GhostlyDeath>reklipz: Mask
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00:32<twiggz>Probably not a "black market" everyone with an ipv4 addy already would most likely be grandfathered in...
00:32<GhostlyDeath>Lilo gave me the mask
00:32<reklipz>GhostlyDeath: I don't understand, no worries though.
00:32<GhostlyDeath>reklipz: If you whois me
00:33<twiggz>Lilo..lol..the idiot that left his nickname, shell accounts and everything else with the same login and pass ?
00:33<twiggz>lollll
00:33<twiggz>then he got ran over.
00:33<PovAddict>don't laugh of the dead
00:33<reklipz>GhostlyDeath: ah, I see.
00:34<twiggz>Only an idiot leaves an oline at *@* using the same passwords and logins as his nick, and almost every ircd account freenode had...
00:34<twiggz>sorry
00:34<twiggz>no love for the fellow.
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00:36<twiggz>While I may not be as well known or as popular, atleast I am not as much of a fucking idiot.
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01:22<engine64>hi all, after doing apt-get dist-upgrade from my sysmtem all i have right now is this at boot "grub>" what should i do?
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01:37<taggart>engine64: is a prompt?
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02:02<GhostlyDeath>reklipz: http://bento-linux.org/book/export/html/60
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02:04<GhostlyDeath>How can I set the time to say my hardware clock is at local time rather than UTC without using hwclock?
02:04<GhostlyDeath>as hwclock crashes the kernel?
02:06<amitz>GhostlyDeath: what distro? perhaps dpkg-reconfigure tzdara?
02:06<amitz>tzdata
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02:07<qimo>ok
02:07<GhostlyDeath>amitz: I'm assumming Debian
02:07<GhostlyDeath>amitz: I've already done that
02:08<GhostlyDeath>My local timezone is correct
02:08<amitz>ah, I misunderstood then
02:09<GhostlyDeath>I dual boot with Windows CE which has it's clock local
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02:26<amitz>oh, I thought this was some other channel :-p
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02:47<etha>hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeemmmmmmmmmmmmmm............
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03:02<ucenik28>HI
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04:23<grzeslaw>hello.. Ihave a fresh install of debian squeeze, and I want to install compiz.. as the wrote in wiki http://wiki.debian.org/Compiz I need to put few lines into xorg.conf. but I do not have any xorg.conf file. what to do now?
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04:34<dv->You can create one with X -configure
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04:37<simple_x>yes, it works :) thanks a lot
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04:57<capitanonemo>ciao
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05:17<toabctl>how can i fill a bug for openlayers? i want to package openlayers but lintian says, that it should close a bug: cd $(CURDIR)/build/ && python build.py full
05:17<toabctl>ups. Warning from lintian is: W: libjs-openlayers: new-package-should-close-itp-bug
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05:19<ohwow>hi
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05:23<ohwow>Is it worse installing http://liquorix.net/ ?
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05:27<taggart>toabctl: do you know what an ITP bug is?
05:29<toabctl>taggart, no
05:30<taggart>Intent To Package, let me find a url that explains it
05:30<toabctl>taggart, do you know?;)
05:30<toabctl>taggart, ok. now i know. it's a request to package software, right?
05:30<ansgar>toabctl: Do you want the package to be uploaded to the official Debian archive?
05:30<taggart>http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp/
05:31<toabctl>ansgar, yes. i already packaged openlayers and i have just one lintian warning left
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05:32<toabctl>ansgar, i'll upload the package to mentors.debian.net but i want to fill a ITP bug first to be sure there's no warning left. how to fill this bug? i tried to use "reportbug" but there's no option to fill a ITP bug.
05:32<taggart>toabctl: it's more of a notice to other people that you are working on it so that people won't duplicate effort, that's why it's a good idea to file one and why lintian is telling you that since you were good about filing one then you should have the package close it
05:32<taggart>toabctl: in reportbug it's a WNPP bug, then it will give you the option of selecting ITP
05:33<ansgar>toabctl: "reportbug wnpp"
05:33<toabctl>what means wnpp ?
05:33<ansgar>toabctl: Work-Needing and Prospective Packagesm http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp/
05:33<toabctl>ah.ok. thanks ansgar, taggart
05:34<taggart>it's sort of a hack to use the debian bts to track the status of packaging
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05:41<antonio>hi, i compiled gtkradiant, if i run it i get this error "no games setup, aborting"
05:41<antonio>i already have installed doom 3
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05:49<user>surabaya
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05:49<Guest855>faquraz@gmail.com
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05:53<EmleyMoor>What are USB-to-Centronics leads like for compatibility with Debian?
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06:03<taggart>EmleyMoor: should just work if they work in kernel.org
06:03<EmleyMoor>Ah, there's the "if"...
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06:04<taggart>EmleyMoor: do you already have the device?
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06:05<EmleyMoor>taggart: No
06:06<taggart>harder to say then, but see if you can find any reports of people getting the one you are looking at to work
06:07<taggart>if you actually have the device I usually use lsusb to get the vender/device id and then look them up at http://www.qbik.ch/usb/devices/
06:07<taggart>although for the last couple years everything I have plugged in has just worked
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06:07<EmleyMoor>I'm only bothering if my plans to get a new printer soon are stamped on again
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06:08<taggart>you might look here to see if there are any known to work http://www.qbik.ch/usb/devices/showdevcat.php?id=6
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06:09<taggart>or find ones you can actually buy and then look them up
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06:47<s_i_m>ohwow, bot?
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06:56<ohwow>s_i_m: no
06:56<ohwow>why?
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07:19<tuxcrafter>hi all
07:19<tuxcrafter>http://debian.pastebin.com/6BASAgPP
07:19<tuxcrafter>i made a mistake with sfdisk
07:19<tuxcrafter>i wrote it to the wrong disk
07:19<tuxcrafter>and i want to revert the partion table back to the old situation
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07:19<tuxcrafter>i got it in the pastbi
07:19<tuxcrafter>but i dont know how i can make a input file for sfdisk for it
07:19<tuxcrafter>can somebody help me?
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07:33<MrTin>Hello!
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07:33<MrTin>My MySQL server just stopped working, i get no error logs or nothing and i cannot reinstall the package
07:34<doom3>hi how can i set twinview ?
07:34<MrTin>i've tried to --purge remove my mysql-server package and then install it again but it didnt work
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07:34<MrTin>im getting this error..
07:34<MrTin>unable to install new version of `./usr/bin/comp_err': No such file or directory
07:34<MrTin>dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe)
07:34<MrTin>trying to install this package: mysql-server-5.0_5.0.51a-24+lenny3_amd64.deb
07:35<MrTin>i really appreciate any help on the subject, any idea how i could reinstall?
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07:36<azizah>hi
07:36<@weasel>I wonder if your filesystem is hosed
07:37<MrTin>hosed, you mean messed up in some way?
07:37<azizah>can anybody tell me how to get to irc.pirate-net.info ?
07:37<azizah>i'm using the XIRC from ubuntu software manager
07:37<azizah>it wasn't listed in the initial connect dialogue box
07:37<@weasel>azizah: go to an ubuntu channel
07:37<azizah>okay
07:38<azizah>not really sure how to do that either...
07:38<MrTin>weasel: how can i know if my filesystem has gotten "hosed"?
07:38<azizah>got it
07:38<azizah>thanks
07:38<@weasel>try an fsck, see what it tells you?
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07:38<@weasel>shutdown -F -r 10
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07:39<MrTin>weasel: i can only access the server on remote, can i see in logs after restart or?
07:39<tuxcrafter>i fixed my sfdisk issue
07:39<@weasel>that depends on if it comes back. most likely you will not unless you have proper OOB management
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07:40<MrTin>oh -r 10, 10min? :P
07:40<MrTin>OOB?
07:40<@weasel>out of band.
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07:41<MrTin>i'm not following you anymore
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07:41<MrTin>anyway thanks, restarting the server now
07:41<MrTin>with fsck
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07:45<MrTin>weasel: i've restarted now with fsck
07:45<MrTin>weasel: can i read logs anywhere about it?
07:45<@weasel>as I said, probably not.
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07:47<MrTin>oh i missed that
07:47<MrTin>no couldnt find anything about it
07:48<MrTin>the guys i rented my VPS from has some kind of script i think
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07:48<MrTin>i was able to choose if i wanted it preinstalled with mysql and apache
07:48<MrTin>and i choose to do that
07:48<MrTin>i had some real issues with apache before aswell but i managed to solve it by removing some links manually
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07:48<MrTin>but im not really sure what i would do with mysql, that error message doesnt make sense to me'
07:49<MrTin>got any idea on what /usr/bin/comp_err could be?
07:49<MrTin>i saw someone on gentoo having a similar problem with samba
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07:52<MrTin>cannot --reinstall mysql-common either
07:52<@weasel>what happens when you purge it?
07:52<MrTin>it also complains on missing files..
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07:52<MrTin>if i want to purge remove mysql-common it will remove my apache2 install and everything to it
07:53<MrTin>i was thinking of trying this out last resort, you think its worth it?
07:53<@weasel>do with mysql, that error message doesnt make sense to me'
07:53<@weasel>erm
07:53<@weasel>comp_err has nothing to do with mysql-common
07:54<MrTin>did --purge remove on mysql-server and mysql-server-5.0
07:54<MrTin>nothing removed
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07:54<@weasel>dpkg --purge mysql-server-5.0
07:54*dpkg drinks a glass of salty water, sticks his fingers down his throat and throws up mysql-server-5.0 all over weasel and peterS...
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07:54<MrTin>"dpkg - warning: ignoring request to remove mysql-server-5.0 which isn't installed."
07:55<@weasel>so far so good
07:55<@weasel>dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/mysql-server-5.0...whatever
07:55*dpkg removes a kidney from weasel and replaces it with /var/cache/apt/archives/mysql-server-5.0...whatever
07:55<MrTin>looked like comp_err is a part of mysql server, i couldnt find the file in /usr/bin however it looked like i was able to remove what looked like a symlink
07:55<@weasel>dear god
07:56<MrTin>:/
07:56<MrTin>that was real stupid wasnt it?
07:56<MrTin>saw some other guy fix a similiar problem that way
07:56<@weasel>what was that symlink doing there?
07:56<MrTin>no idea
07:56<MrTin>i'm seeing lots of ????? when i do ls -la
07:56<@weasel>clearly you should find a VPS provider with some clue
07:57<MrTin>:P
07:57<MrTin>i was thinking that myself, i dont know why they are doign their own thing
07:57<MrTin>instead of using repos
07:57<MrTin>well ok in archives iahve 2 packages
07:57<MrTin>mysql-server-5.0_5.0.51a-24+lenny3_amd64.deb
07:57<MrTin>and
07:57<MrTin>mysql-server_5.0.51a-24+lenny3_all.deb
07:57<MrTin>trying with latest
07:58<MrTin>all it says
07:58<MrTin>mysql-server depends on mysql-server-5.0; however:
07:58<MrTin> Package mysql-server-5.0 is not installed.
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07:58<MrTin>trying the first package
07:58<MrTin>same thing like apt-get outputs
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07:58<MrTin>"unable to install new version of `./usr/bin/comp_err': No such file or directory"
07:59<@weasel>ls -l /usr/bin/comp_err
07:59<MrTin>its funny
07:59<MrTin>using tab it "finds" the file
07:59<@weasel>that's not what I asked
07:59<MrTin>however doing ls on it
07:59<MrTin>says
07:59<MrTin>"ls: cannot access /usr/bin/comp_err: No such file or directory
07:59<MrTin>"
07:59<@weasel>ls -ld /usr/bin
08:00<MrTin>drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 20480 Jun 5 13:58 /usr/bin
08:00<@weasel>your system is fucked in some way or another
08:00<@weasel>who knows what exactly is wrote
08:00<MrTin>hrm yeah ok
08:01<MrTin>ill try purging mysql-common aswell now
08:01<MrTin>just to see if it works
08:01<@weasel>that's not going to change anything
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08:01<MrTin>okey hrm..
08:01<MrTin>kinda stuck on this
08:02<MrTin>thing is mysql server worked like a charm for atleast a month now
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08:02<MrTin>it's on a production site...
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08:02<MrTin>then this night i got mail that the mysql backup couldnt access mysql server
08:03<MrTin>lost connection at initial packet etc.. and i couldnt find mysql but only mysql in /etc/init.d/
08:03<MrTin>then all of what i've been trying now past hour..
08:04<MrTin>oh
08:04<MrTin>i just remembered what i did to make apache work :)
08:04<MrTin>i copied files over from a fresh debian server i installed myself :P
08:04<MrTin>im gonna try that out
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08:08<MrTin>didnt work
08:08<MrTin>okey now i understand why you think my FS is fkd up
08:08<MrTin>the file doesnt exist but exists
08:09<MrTin>any idea how to remove a file that doesnt exist but shows up? O.o
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08:11<@weasel>what kind of virtualisation technology do you use anyway?
08:12<@weasel>anyway, best to ask your VPS provider for help. chances are it's their fault
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08:12<silvi>olaaaaa
08:12<silvi>olaaaa
08:13<silvi>hay alguien
08:13<silvi>hello
08:13<silvi>hi!!!
08:13<MrTin>weasel: think its paralells
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08:13<@weasel>hi.
08:13<MrTin>weasel: yeah maybe, they did have some maintaince yesterday, didnt think that would be able to mess up my VPS tho
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08:14<themill>!es-social silvi
08:14<dpkg>silvi: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador por favor ingresa al canal social de #debian-es con /join #debian-es-cachondeo. Tus amigos probablemente ya esten ahi.
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08:38<NeTForCe>Hello People! :-) From Ukraine!
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08:44*dr|z3d praises clonezilla.
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08:45<dr|z3d>I thought I was going to have to mess with UUID's and all that jazz cloning an IDE to SATA.. no need.. totally seamless clone.
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08:48<mekt>Where is documentation on creating a virtual package?
08:49<mekt>I have been looking in the "New Maintainers Guide" but not yet found it.
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08:54<Tuplad>if I attached a digital camera (usb), how can I view the files ?
08:55<Tuplad>this is the output of dmesg: http://pastebin.com/rByxSDvG
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09:05<Tuplad>if I attached a digital camera (usb), how can I view the files ? this is the output of dmesg: http://pastebin.com/rByxSDvG
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09:13<Tuplad>oh, awesome! sudo gtkam and it worked :)
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09:28<saulo>Hello all! Where can I suggest softwares for debian?
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09:35<ansgar>saulo: For inclusion in Debain's archive? "reportbug wnpp" and file a RFP (request for package).
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09:37<ansgar>saulo: If people are interested, they might create a package for it. It is also possible that you package it and then seek a sponsor to get it uploaded.
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09:42<saulo>ansgar: ok :) thanks for info ^^
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12:30<toabctl>is there a good tutorial how to use the new source format 3.0 (quilt) ?
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12:33<themill>!debsrc3.0
12:33<dpkg>Rather than having a long set of diffs containing the changelog and any Debian-specific patches to a package in a <diff.gz>, source packages may have a .debian.tar.gz file instead. See http://wiki.debian.org/Projects/DebSrc3.0 for more information on how to work with the 3.0 source format. See also <policy> <nmg> <source package> <quilt>.
12:33<themill>toabctl: ^^ the wiki page is pretty good
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12:49<bobillon>hi !
12:50<bobillon>i have installed hal and halevt to automount my device and use roxfiller with them
12:50<bobillon>but when i tried to umount a disk
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12:50<bobillon>i got the error : /sbin/umount.hal: Unmounting /media/disk failed: org.freedesktop.Hal.Device.PermissionDeniedByPolicy: org.freedesktop.hal.storage.unmount-others no
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12:50<bobillon>any idea ?
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13:10<flores>hola
13:10<parejita>olaa
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13:10<parejita>buenas
13:10<flores>como va la vida
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13:12<parejita>alguna parejita por aqui?¿
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13:13<locklace>parejita: habla ingles o salte
13:13<parejita>y donde vamos
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13:20<Leon>Hi
13:21<nirma>Leon: hi
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13:21<Leon>im new on linux thingy =]
13:21<Leon>what can i do on linux?
13:21<nirma>i am newbie for 4 years
13:22<nirma>but still learning new things
13:22<Leon>oo
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13:22<nirma>you can use it for your desktop
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13:23<nirma>or as a server as u wish
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13:23<Leon>can i create programs using linux?
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13:24<Leon>im running on backtrack 4 is it the same like ubuntu?
13:24<bobillon>any idea how setup hal to specify the user access when it mount a disc ?
13:24<nirma>here we call it packages... and sure
13:24<locklace>!bt4
13:24<dpkg>BackTrack is not Debian and is not supported in #debian (ask me about <based on debian>). Try http://www.backtrack-linux.org/ or #backtrack-linux on irc.freenode.net instead. BackTrack is a Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu> Intrepid (as of BackTrack 4), previously <SLAX>. Derived from merging two penetration-testing distributions: WHAX (formerly WHOPPIX) and Auditor Security Linux.
13:25<nirma>come in #debian-offtopic
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13:56<murky>there's anyone know i can run script oon playonlinux
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13:59<clocker>I'm using Lenny. Is there a special name for gnucash that I'm missing? I can't seem to use apt to deal with the install
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14:00<clocker>Or is there a better application to do the same thing?
14:00<locklace>,versions gnucash
14:00<judd>gnucash -- etch: 2.0.5-1; etch-backports: 2.2.6-2~bpo40+1; lenny: 2.2.6-2; squeeze: 2.2.9-5; sid: 2.2.9-5+b1
14:01<bobillon>versions amsn
14:01<clocker>gracias
14:01<nirma>http://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Debian
14:02<bobillon>i didn't get it :)
14:02<bobillon>any idea how setup the policy with hal to make a default user for mount disc ?
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14:06<clocker>ya... it should be as simple as apt-get install, but: "Couldn't find package gnucash"
14:06<clocker>gnucash is as common as dirt no?
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14:07<clocker>I'll have to get back to this later... thanks
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14:08<usuario__nerea>ola
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14:08<usuario__nerea>k pazsa
14:08<usuario__nerea>pasaaaa
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14:56<debacle>Hi all, can anyone tell help me with mdadm? i'd like to build a raid 5. By default mdadm createa unique spare disk. Is it possible to distribuite spare data to all disks ?
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15:01<psych787>Is there a way to create a user who has the same ownership as another owner?
15:02<psych787>I have two users that need different home folders, but the exact same filesystem permissions.
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15:08<PovAddict>psych787: I doubt it...
15:08<PovAddict>make both users members of a group, make sure all the relevant files are owned by that group and have group permissions == user permissions :P
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15:10<psych787>Changing my entire filesystem to those permissions sounds dangerous. :|
15:10<PovAddict>I thought you wanted to have a certain directory shared
15:10<PovAddict>not your *entire filesystem* having the same permission for those users
15:11<PovAddict>yea, don't even think of chmodding your entire FS
15:11<psych787>Exactly. That's the problem.
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15:11<psych787>Essentially I'm looking for a second user with the same permissions and capabilities, but a different appearance.
15:11<psych787>So, for example, I could safely share this account over a TeamViewer session.
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15:24<steven_>what is debian ?
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15:28<musca>!debian
15:28<dpkg>i guess debian is http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents
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15:53<mart_n>Anyone can help with Grub? if I have a different partition for /boot and / how do I indicate where to find the kernel and where to find the OS? (set root VS search --fs-uuid --set VS linux /vmlinuz root= ).
15:53<mart_n>Which one set the kernel root, which one the OS root?
15:54<CeeCee>yall dmb
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16:41<sparky4_>amixer: Mixer attach default error: No such file or directory
16:41<sparky4_>I have a major poblem with sound
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16:44<sparky4_>hello?
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17:17<Mumu>hi there
17:18<Vakio>Well, hello.
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17:23<sparky4_>I need help setrting up the sound
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17:29<musca>!tell sparky4_ about alsa
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17:34<valdyn>mark__: the kernel root is set as grub command, the os root as a parameter to the kernel
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17:34<sparky4_>><;
17:34<sparky4_>amixer: Mixer attach default error: No such file or directory
17:34<sparky4_>alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory
17:34<sparky4_>thease are the errors i have
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17:40<cthuluh>sparky4_: when you launch alsamixer as root, does it fail?
17:40<cthuluh>if not, add yourself to the audio group
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17:40<sparky4_>cthuluh: YES IT FAILS!
17:41<cthuluh>OK!!! THEN YOU HAVE A PROBLEM!
17:41<cthuluh>tsss
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17:42<sparky4_>><;
17:42<cthuluh>sparky4_: question: do you know anything about your sound card?
17:42<sparky4_>all Ididi
17:42<sparky4_>was simply
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17:43<sparky4_>move the simply moved it from the middle PCI slot to the end PCI slot
17:43<sparky4_>then it sotped working
17:43<sparky4_>then I moved it back to original slot
17:43<sparky4_>and still bloke ><;
17:43<cthuluh>did you forget something? like a cable?
17:43<cthuluh>there were old sound chips that needed a cable
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17:44<sparky4_>Creative Labs SB Live! EMU10k1
17:44<sparky4_>name of card and SPU
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17:47<cthuluh>sparky4_: no /dev/dsp ?
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17:47<sparky4_>cthuluh: ?????
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17:48<sparky4_>boomboxcompy4:~# /dev/dsp
17:48<sparky4_>-bash: /dev/dsp: No such file or directory
17:48<sparky4_>><;
17:48<sparky4_>nope
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17:48<cthuluh>you tried to execute a device file
17:48<cthuluh>wow
17:48<cthuluh>anyway, you don't have it
17:49<cthuluh>you're on stable?
17:49<sparky4_>cthuluh: yes
17:50<cthuluh>so alsaconf
17:50<sparky4_>cthuluh: I get an error
17:50<cthuluh>No card?
17:50<jpinx-eeepc>!tell sparky4_ about alsa checklist
17:50<sparky4_>cthuluh: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sound_card <- my sound card is the one pictiured on top ^^
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17:51<sparky4_>cthuluh: nope
17:52<sparky4_>cthuluh: amixer: Mixer attach default error: No such file or directory <- this is the error
17:52<sparky4_>when I use alsaconf
17:54<cthuluh>stupid
17:55<cthuluh>(not you, alsaconf)
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17:57<bobillon>hi !
17:58<bobillon>anyone knows how cat i setup the policykit to allow my user to mount/unmount/write on automount removable disc ?
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17:59<sparky4_>cthuluh: what do i do then?
17:59<Usuario3>hi, anybody knows the "-p" option in wget?
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17:59<cthuluh>sparky4_: pray
17:59<sparky4_>cthuluh: something that broke that badly?
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18:02<bobillon>Usuario3, wget -p : This option causes Wget to download all the files that are necessary to properly display a given HTML page. This includes such things as inlined images, sounds, and referenced stylesheets.
18:02<Usuario3>bobillon, i can't see that info in man
18:02<Usuario3>where did you find that info?
18:03<bobillon>Usuario3, in man wget !
18:03<Usuario3>(i search in google too)
18:04<sparky4_>cthuluh: waaaaaaaa
18:04<sparky4_>I AM GOING TO HAVE TO RENAME THIS COMPUTER TO BOXCOMPY4 ? ;_;
18:04<Usuario3>ok, thanks bobillon. I'm using "GNU Wget 1.11.4 Red Hat modified". In his man, its not documented that option.
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18:05<bobillon>Usuario3, it is on wget 1.12
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18:08<Usuario3>bobillon, wget 1.11.4
18:08<Usuario3>GNU Wget 1.11.4 Red Hat modified
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18:09<Usuario3>anycase, i know the "-p" option, thansk
18:09<themill>Usuario3: sounds like you want #rhel on irc.freenode.net (or whatever channel is appropriate for your distro)
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18:10<cthuluh>sparky4_: don't forget that it stopped working _after_ you changed things
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18:10<Usuario3>themill, all distro are the same
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18:11<themill>Usuario3: apparently not.
18:11<sparky4_>cthuluh: why did the software broke soeasyly?
18:11<Usuario3>i general, all the same
18:11<Usuario3>in general
18:11<cthuluh>sparky4_: perhaps is your hardware broken?
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18:11<sparky4_>no!
18:12<sparky4_>It is a highquality sound laster live card
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18:13<sparky4_>cthuluh: it is detected
18:13<sparky4_>so it works!
18:15<cthuluh>does it?
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18:16<sparky4_>I gusss
18:16<sparky4_>I boot back into WINDOWS ME and test it
18:17<ryan22>that doesnt work
18:17<cthuluh>good luck
18:17<ryan22>http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Debian#Debian_IRC_support = lies
18:18<ryan22>spark4_: im happy you got ti working, though if it stops working again randomly, its definitely the hardware
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18:21<sparky4_>WINME
18:21<sparky4_>OHH
18:21<sparky4_>SHIT
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18:21<sparky4_>the sound card works flawlesssly
18:21<ryan22>of course, your sound will work on any os
18:21<ryan22>out of the box
18:21<ryan22>if the hardware works
18:22<ryan22>the card is probably one of the best supported
18:22<sparky4_>^^
18:22<sparky4_>but
18:22<sparky4_>alsa is not working on debian on this system
18:22<jpinx-eeepc>!alsa
18:22<dpkg>ALSA is the Advanced Linux Sound Architecture, a project providing device drivers for sound cards. To install, ask me about <install alsa>. See also <alsa-checklist>, <alsa firmware>, <alsa versions>, <alsaconf>. http://wiki.debian.org/ALSA http://www.alsa-project.org/ #alsa on irc.freenode.net.
18:23<jpinx-eeepc>sparky4_: follow the factoids there
18:23<ryan22>didnt you just say it worked
18:23<sparky4_>ryan22: on winME
18:23<sparky4_>Windows Millennium Edition
18:23<sparky4_>a soon to be 10 YEAR OLD OS
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18:24<jpinx-eeepc>sparky4_: did you even read the factoids yet?
18:25<sparky4_>I am trying to trouble shoot a software problem
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18:26<jpinx-eeepc>sparky4_: that is why I posted the factoids - to help you solve your sound problem
18:26<sparky4_>I posted the error messages
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18:27<jpinx-eeepc>sparky4_: where?
18:27*sparky4_ is a EX-Windows Me user
18:27<ryan22><sparky4_> cthuluh: it is detected <sparky4_> so it works!
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18:27<cthuluh>phew...
18:27<sparky4_>Loading driver...
18:27<sparky4_>Setting default volumes...
18:27<sparky4_>amixer: Mixer attach default error: No such file or directory
18:28<sparky4_>cthuluh: It works flawlessly in windows me
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18:31<sparky4_>amixer: Mixer attach default error: No such file or directory <-
18:31<sparky4_>error
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18:32<jpinx-eeepc>sparky4_: what are you doing to get that error?
18:32<sparky4_>jpinx-eeepc: running alsaconf as root
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18:34<cthuluh>sparky4_: what does give you lsmod | grep snd? cat /proc/asound/cards?
18:34<jpinx-eeepc>!alsaconf
18:34<dpkg>alsaconf is a formerly included <ALSA> configuration tool to detect sound cards. Removed from the alsa-utils package at 1.0.17-1: "The only valid use-case for alsaconf is aiding the configuration of ISA sound cards." Ask me about <install alsa> and <alsa checklist>. See also http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/pkg-alsa/trunk/alsa-utils/debian/NEWS
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18:48<sparky4_>wait!
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18:52<sparky4_>cthuluh: I pasted the output in the PM
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19:05<sparky4_>><;
19:05<sparky4_>waaaaaaaaa
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19:07<sparky4_>alsactl restore = PROBLEM SOLVED
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19:11<RobertF>hello
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19:12<RobertF>i'm trying to install debian testing or debian unstable. I've an error message in partition disks "Failed to created a file system, the ext3 file system create in partition #1 of IDE1 master (hda) failed.
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19:13<themill>RobertF: use the lenny installer and then upgrade. /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze
19:14<RobertF>themill: i prefer to make a new installation...
19:15<RobertF>themill: why is not working?
19:15<themill>RobertF: well the testing installer is more often broken that not anyway, and there's a particular bug with e2fsprogs right now as well...
19:15<sparky4_>yay ^^
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19:16<RobertF>themill: i'll install from lenny in expert mode and choose testing.. is it good?
19:17<themill>that should work out... I think.
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19:17<RobertF>i'll try, thank you
19:18<themill>good luck ;)
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19:20<altbta>bot
19:20<altbta>!help
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20:13<cthuluh>sparky4_: sorry I was afk too. That said, I didn't ask you to paste the results of these commands in private message
20:14<cthuluh>!paste
20:14<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>.
20:14<sparky4_>....
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20:16<cthuluh>I'm not an ALSA god that has all the answers you need :)
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20:21<user01>hey i have a friend who installed debian and i have it installed as well (debian stable) and i installed lots of extra packages, not sure what she has but she cant play audio on a website, i can, how can i find out what package she needs?
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20:23<ryan22>what web browser?
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20:25<ryan22>user01: mozilla-mplayer should work
20:25<sparky4_>cthuluh: alsactl restore = problem solved
20:25<cthuluh>good news
20:25<stack_underflow>is it possible to execute a binary file in a different directory using ' ./ '?
20:25<user01>ryan22, great, ill let her know :)
20:25<cthuluh>stack_underflow: yes
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20:27<stack_underflow>cthuluh, i'm trying to write a vim function that runs c files that i've just compile: :!./"%:r" - but bash is giving me an error
20:28<cthuluh>what is "%:r" supposed to mean?
20:28<cthuluh>I don't use vim, only vi
20:28<stack_underflow>it's the current file i'm editing minus the dot extension
20:28<cthuluh>oh, smart
20:28<cthuluh>sad that it doesn't work :P
20:29<stack_underflow>so do you know how to use ./ to run a file in a different directory?
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20:30<cthuluh>in a different directory? yes: ./../foobar/other/dir/../foo
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20:32<stack_underflow>cthuluh, okay, thanks - i'll see if I can get this working
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20:32<cthuluh>your trick (!./"%:r") seems to work here
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20:33<ryan22>stack_underflow: just a append a dot at the beginning of the pathname
20:33<ryan22>so ./foo/bar/
20:33<cthuluh>that's what he did
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20:33<cthuluh>well, that's what he said :)
20:34<cthuluh>but I'm pretty sure there are ways to use vim in a smarter way
20:34<ryan22>lol i use nano
20:34<ryan22>im too lazy to learn how to use my tet editor
20:34<ryan22>*text
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20:35<cthuluh>I know people who wrote entire websites using nano, don't be ashamed
20:35<stack_underflow>I tried ././home/sam/file but i still get an error
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20:36<cthuluh>:!./file
20:36<cthuluh>do you get an error?
20:36<cthuluh>it depends on vim's current working dir, of course
20:36<stack_underflow>that's the thing
20:37<stack_underflow>i'm trying to get it so that it'll execute the file no matter where it is
20:37<stack_underflow>i've got it working for java, but that's only because i'm running the file with 'java', and not ./
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20:38<cthuluh>then it shouldn't be a problem
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20:39<cthuluh>what a weird thing
20:39<cthuluh>ryan22: I understand what you meant
20:39<ryan22>lol
20:40<cthuluh>there's something weird with vim
20:40<stack_underflow>well it wouldn't be a problem if I could get vim to express the current file's location with respect to ~ in terms of '..'
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20:41<emanu_>ciao a tutti
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20:47<cthuluh>stack_underflow: that's what I said: there are smarter ways
20:47<cthuluh>like emacs, vim knows about "make"
20:48<cthuluh>just call it to compile your code
20:48<cthuluh>http://tldp.org/HOWTO/C-editing-with-VIM-HOWTO/quickfix.html
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20:49<stack_underflow>i have the compile part working, it's the running the file part that isn't
20:50<stack_underflow>for compiling, :!gcc -Wall "%" -o "%:r" is good enough for me (i'm just learning C so I don't know too much about make)
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20:52<stack_underflow>oh wow, i'm an idiot
20:52<stack_underflow>all I have to do is !"%:r"
20:53<stack_underflow>i forgot that ./ is for when the file you're running is in the current directory
20:54<cthuluh>yes, but what happens when you are in the same directory as the file you are editing?
20:55<stack_underflow>vim treats "%:r" as the path to the file + filename - the dot extension
20:55<stack_underflow>but I should check to make sure :)
20:55<cthuluh>well, not here, but if it works for you :)
20:56<stack_underflow>yup it works
20:56<stack_underflow>thanks for the help anyway
20:57<cthuluh>lucky you, I guess I'm going to stuck with emacs or vi + screen ;)
20:58<cthuluh>stack_underflow: make is not hard to learn, when you have wrote two or three makefiles, you know how to write the others ; read about it
20:59<stack_underflow>i'll be sure to look into it - as of now i'm just reading a book and following the exercises so I probably won't use it until i start writing larger programs
21:00<cthuluh>how happy am I, there are people who learn C reading books! how surprising! :)
21:00<cthuluh>keep on this way, dude
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21:18<dbnaaa>hey
21:18<dbnaaa>I need Debian help
21:18<dbnaaa>Is this the right place?
21:18<dbnaaa>Debian support says so
21:19<cthuluh>it is
21:19<dbnaaa>Oh good
21:19<dbnaaa>Is your name by any chance a reference to the H.P. Lovecraft story?
21:19<cthuluh>yes
21:19<dbnaaa>Good stuff
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21:20<dbnaaa>My problem is simple
21:20<dbnaaa>Debian doesn't mount DVD video discs
21:20<dbnaaa>but mounts everything else in the drive
21:20<dbnaaa>I have no idea why
21:20<dbnaaa>Any ideas?
21:20<cthuluh>then you probably need appropriated packages
21:20<dbnaaa>I see
21:21<qq->!dvd
21:21<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, dvd is Digital Versatile Disc. To play a video DVD, ask me about <dvd playback>, then use either <xine>, <vlc> or <mplayer>. To burn a DVD, ask me about <wodim> or <growisofs>. To download Debian DVD images, ask me about <iso> and <small dvd>. To buy Debian DVDs, ask me about <vendors>. To copy/rip/transcode DVD video, ask me about <dvd ripping>.
21:21<dbnaaa>Wait wait
21:21<dbnaaa>It doesn't even show up
21:21<dbnaaa>as a disc
21:21<dbnaaa>The drive just spins it up for what seems like half an hour
21:21<dbnaaa>slowing and starting until it just gives up
21:21<cthuluh>qq-: thanks frenchie
21:21<dbnaaa>Is that the same symptom?
21:22<dbnaaa>I already have VLC and it's libraries installed btw
21:22<qq->dbnaaa, /msg dpkg dvd playback
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21:23<Texou>hi
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21:23<dbnaaa>You're saying I should type that in the terminal qq?
21:23<dbnaaa>I pretty much know nothing
21:23<Ouro>how can i track down what is using all of my physical memory? i tried ps -eo rsz,vsz, but it is not even close to adding up to the total
21:24<qq->dbnaaa, no, just here in irc bar
21:24<dbnaaa>dpkg dvd playback
21:24<dpkg>To play DVDs, you need some media playing software (ask me about <dvd> for some suggestions on viewers). You will also need the libdvdcss2 libdvdnav4 libdvdread3 packages installed, some of which are in <debian-multimedia.org> (see <libdvdcss>). You will also need to set a region on your DVD player - if you have never done so before - using regionset. Also ask me about <dvd playback troubleshooting>.
21:25<dbnaaa>Oh
21:25<dbnaaa>Hah
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21:25<dbnaaa>But you see, it reads and plays the DVDs I've burned fine
21:25<dbnaaa>The problem is commercial DVD video discs that don't even mount
21:25<qq->!tell dbnaaa about selftell
21:26<dbnaaa>dpkg selftell
21:26<dpkg>Please do not use the bot's !tell feature on #debian to see factoids for yourself (!tell me about something). Doing so could be considered spam. Instead, send a private message to the bot (dpkg) containing the factoid you want to read. For example, instead of "!tell me about foo", use "/msg dpkg foo". See also <msg the bot>
21:26<dbnaaa>Yeah that's what I just got..
21:27<Texou>I try using on OOo backported release Style and format feature. But no dialog appears if I click on button, if I do Format -> Style and format; if I do ctrl-1 (or 2, 3, 4,...), nothing happens. an idea please?
21:27<dbnaaa>I'm so lost
21:27<dbnaaa>Hah
21:29<dbnaaa>So
21:29<dbnaaa>is it a hardware problem
21:29<qq->!enter
21:29<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
21:29<cthuluh>that's possible
21:30<cthuluh>qq-: stop playing with dpkg, please :P
21:30<dbnaaa>I see
21:30<dbnaaa>So this is unusual?
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21:30<dbnaaa>it feels like something on the DVD video discs is different than on non-commercial discs
21:30<cthuluh>Anyone here with a DVD player?
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21:30<dbnaaa>and that is messing up Debian
21:31<dbnaaa>Or it may be the cheap DVD drive
21:31<Ouro>dbnaaa: something is different.... they are encrypted
21:31<dbnaaa>Ah
21:32<dbnaaa>What was weird was after 10 minutes of thrasing, the drive managed to mount the DVD
21:32<Ouro>however this should not make debian behave much differently--you simply will not be able to play the disc without appropriate libraries
21:32<dbnaaa>and I could read the files, but VLC crashed every time I tried to read them
21:32<Ouro>dbnaaa: you are trying more than one dvd, surely?
21:32<dbnaaa>and yeah that's what I suspected
21:32<dbnaaa>Yup, I tried around 7
21:33<dbnaaa>from different time periods too
21:33<dbnaaa>Very odd
21:33<qq->dbnaaa, you installed indicated packages from bot message ?
21:33<dbnaaa>Yes they are installed
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21:33<dbnaaa>Let me double check
21:34<dbnaaa>Well I feel stupid
21:34<dbnaaa>Why can't I find libdvdcss2 in Synaptic
21:34<Ouro>becuse you need to add the proper apt repositories
21:34<cthuluh>e.g. debian-multimedia
21:35<dbnaaa>Ah
21:35<qq->dbnaaa, read again carefully bot message
21:35<dbnaaa>Yes that was my mistake
21:35<dbnaaa>Bot tells me I need: libdvdcss2 libdvdnav4 libdvdread3
21:35<dbnaaa>Correct?
21:35<cthuluh>probably
21:35<dbnaaa>Alright
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21:36<dbnaaa>Let me add the respositories
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21:36<Ouro>you need a player: vlc, mplayer, etc. and libdvdcss (the rest of the libs should be automatic)
21:37<Xenguy>and who knows how much longer that will be legal in Canada :-/
21:37<Xenguy>DMCA style, gov't trying to import it from the US
21:37<dbnaaa>Added
21:38<dbnaaa>I have already installed VLC
21:38<dbnaaa>You know
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21:38<dbnaaa>It may be the region
21:38<dbnaaa>because I haven't set that
21:38<qq->dbnaaa, let you make less noise ;-)
21:38<dbnaaa>What?
21:39<Xenguy>dbnaaa: I've never had to set any region (because libdvdcss unlocks it?)
21:39<cthuluh>dbnaaa: qq- was probably right, use punctuations instead of pressing <enter> too often ;)
21:39<dbnaaa>Oh hah I'm sorry.
21:40<cthuluh>don't be sorry, just change your habits :) irc != msn
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21:41<qq-> irc !=mirc
21:41<Ouro>Xenguy: isnt region an orthogonal issue?
21:41<Xenguy>Ouro: I don't know about it cos I've never had to deal with it :-)
21:41<cthuluh>qq-: not that's a xchat
21:41<dbnaaa>Understood. And I am install the libraries now
21:42<dbnaaa>installing*
21:43<dbnaaa>Alright they are installed. Should I restart windows-style?
21:43<cthuluh>probably not
21:44<dbnaaa>Cool. Is there any reason why libdvdcss2 is "not authenticated"?
21:44<cthuluh>aptitude install debian-multimedia-keyring or something
21:45<dbnaaa>Nah I installed the keyring, it's just a warning for the actual library
21:45<cthuluh>dunno then
21:45<dbnaaa>Maybe it is because of the CSS controversy and such
21:45<Ouro>no
21:45<dbnaaa>Oho it has mounted
21:45<Ouro>once you install the keyring and run apt-get update, there should be no more warning
21:46<dbnaaa>And it is playing
21:46<cthuluh>well, congrats
21:46<dbnaaa>Thank you very much guys, I appreciate it.
21:46<dbnaaa>I wonder how much more fun the process to play Blu-Rays on Linux is haha
21:46<Ouro>btw, i never quite understood the point of the keyring packages since they come from the same unauthenticated reposiroty?
21:47<dbnaaa>Yeah me too. Is there any specific reason?
21:47<cthuluh>the point is to get them _before_ downloading releases files and packages from the reposits
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21:48<cthuluh>well, to get the _keys_ that authenticate the repo
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21:48<cthuluh>and then to apt-get update
21:48<dbnaaa>Ah. Well I will sign off now to watch my movie. Thanks again.
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21:51<Ouro>cthuluh: yeah, but they keyring is normally installed from exactly the same repository as the other other packages
21:51<Ouro>cthuluh: so you are installing an untrusted key in order to install untrusted packages?
21:52<cthuluh>no, there are ways to get the proper keys ; then you install them with apt-key
21:52<cthuluh>then you update your list files
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21:53<cthuluh>the keys can be found on the websites, generally
21:53<cthuluh>so yes you have to trust the website
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21:54<Ouro>yeah i agree with that method
21:54<Ouro>i just dont agree with installing the keyring from apt
21:54<Ouro>unless of course it comes from an already authenticated repository
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21:58<ryan22>dbnaaa: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=18702255&postcount=128
21:58<ryan22>;)
21:59<ryan22>damn hes gone
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22:00<cthuluh>Ouro: that's the way you should take (install the complete keyring from an already authenticated repo)
22:00<cthuluh>or maybe "the way you should follow", sorry, not a native english speaker
22:01<Texou>do you think I shuld be back to 2.4 rather 3.2 backported? I feel there're a lot of bugs :(
22:02<cthuluh>Texou: having fresh packages is good ; having packages that work is usually better :)
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22:03<Texou>cthuluh: I agree. That's why I use not very much backports. But OOo 2.4 had bugs so I didn't think that 3.2 could be... with more bugs :( (2.4 crashed, freezed...)
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22:04<Texou>very strange that "Style and format" doesn't open dialog.......and why alt-a_number doesn't work...
22:05<cthuluh>use TeX :)
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22:05<Texou>cthuluh: I'd like :) and I do for my translations. But imagine if I use this to give a Word document for my job... they don't like
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22:08<Texou>cthuluh: and isn't it possible to update OOo to testing without updating nearly all X system? or not any choice
22:08<cthuluh>I dunno, I never tried
22:08-!-streuner__ [foobar@pD9FF610F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #debian
22:08<Texou>ok
22:09-!-sidHart [~bukayo@adsl-75-3-67-114.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net] has joined #debian
22:09<Texou>well I have only 1 solution: write to backports ml :( rha OOo....... :(
22:10<cthuluh>why don't you upgrade to testing ?
22:10<Ouro>hm, any idea why debian sees < 1 GB of RAM, even though 8 GB is installed?
22:11<cthuluh>not a common problem oO
22:11<Ouro>yeah, very strange
22:11<Ouro>i could understand 4 GB, but not this
22:11<cthuluh>yeah
22:11<cthuluh>or 3, btw
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22:12<dvs>cthuluh: get a bigmem kernel
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22:12<Ouro>anyway, i think that the default kernel has bigmem, so this should not happen
22:13<cthuluh>dvs: I don't need it, thanks ,)
22:13<cthuluh>the default kernel does not have the bigmem config
22:13<Ouro>are you sure? this has always installed properly before
22:13<dvs>oops wrong person
22:14<cthuluh>well, perhaps on a recent kernel, but not in stable
22:15<Ouro>this is actually etch
22:15<Ouro>but last time i installed etch from the CD it definitely did not have this problem
22:15<Ouro>it was a different cd though
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22:28<Ouro>thanks for the hint, hopefully this will work
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22:32<Ouro>yes, much better
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22:36<Ouro>so why does the standard kernel only show < 1 GB of RAM? that part still makes no sense
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22:36<Ouro>i had 2.6-486 installed before by the way
22:36<qq->Ouro, on lenny ?
22:36<Ouro>etch
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22:36<qq->must upgade to lenny
22:36<qq->upgrade *
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22:37<Ouro>yeah, this is an old demo system
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22:38<cthuluh>that's weird that the old good kernel doesn't show more than 1 gig of ram
22:38<qq->hm, no '-486' system may support >1 G
22:38<Ouro>yeah i think i always ran this kernel before
22:40-!-mode/#debian [+l 386] by debhelper
22:40<qq->Ouro, try -686
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22:40<Ouro>yeah i am going to try this now
22:40<Ouro>just curious
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22:40<Ouro>-bigmem definitely works though, so i am good
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22:42<cthuluh>btw: http://valleywag.gawker.com/5064694/nasas-shame-hubble-space-telescope-runs-on-a-486-chip
22:42<Ouro>heh
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22:46<qq->cthuluh, they study space , used 'times' do doesn't count ..
22:47<Ouro>ok so -686 shows 3 GB as expected, no idea why -486 shows < 1 GB (786 MB?)
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22:48<cthuluh>the pentium pro and beyond had a 36 bit address space...
22:49<Ouro>another question is why it even installs the -486 kernel in the first place... this is an opteron
22:50<cthuluh>is an opteron an IA-64?
22:50<cthuluh>I think that's a x86_64, so that's normal
22:51<Ouro>isnt IA-64 itanium?
22:51<cthuluh>yes
22:51<Ouro>anyway, i dont really care that much :)
22:51<Ouro>thanks for the pointer to bigmem though
22:51<qq->Ouro, thats normal for -486
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22:52<cthuluh>I'm currently running an OpenBSD that says "i386" when you exec "uname -a"
22:53<cthuluh>so I guess that's not the point :)
22:53<cthuluh>(and I have two gigs of ram)
22:54<qq-> "i386" is arch , '-486' is type of processor supported
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22:55<cthuluh>yes, qq-
22:55<cthuluh>http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/X86
22:56<cthuluh>antway, that's probably something like the etch -486 kernel does not have CONFIG_HIGH_MEM or something set
22:56<cthuluh>anyway*
22:57<Ouro>apparently not
22:58<cthuluh>did you grep the /boot/config* ?
22:58<Ouro>i usually run a custom kernel on this machine anyway, perhaps that is why i was confused
22:58<cthuluh>yep
22:59<Ouro>well, thanks for the help, later
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23:14<Dreakon>Hey guys, I decided to ditch VLC and just stick with Totem for playing video files and DVD's... but the sound is so low, even with the master volume cranked. Any suggestions?
23:15<cthuluh>maybe start alsamixer annd try to increse everything you can? :)
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23:17<Dreakon>Lol, done. :P Everythings up.
23:17<deezzznuts>EXTREM!
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23:18<Dreakon>:-/ Anything else I can do? lol
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23:20<deezzznuts>six deez nuts
23:20<blahblahsixsix>aight one sec
23:21<blahblahsixsix>ok its https... and in awnser to ur question... rofl
23:22<deezzznuts>i made a private room no?
23:22<deezzznuts>kk
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23:24<deezzznuts>lol, i cant connect to ur router
23:24<blahblahsixsix>y
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23:25<Dreakon>Hmm... alright. Maybe I should just go the other way. Is it safe to completely remove totem?
23:25<Dreakon>Or will that mess up gnome
23:26<cthuluh>dunno if you can ; do you lack disk space? if not keep it
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23:26<deezzznuts>fuck gnome
23:27<ryan22>Dreakon, did you try smplayer?
23:27<deezzznuts>and fuck ur disk space
23:27<cthuluh>deezzznuts: and fuck u? :)
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23:27<deezzznuts>hahahahaha
23:27<cthuluh>but yeah, gnome sucks
23:27<blahblahsixsix>lol
23:27<Dreakon>ryan22, is that better?
23:27<deezzznuts>six....
23:27<blahblahsixsix>ya
23:27<deezzznuts>that url u gave me
23:27<deezzznuts>dont work
23:28<deezzznuts>http or https:61...
23:28<ryan22>Dreakon: much better
23:28<deezzznuts>https://x.x.x.x:8080/
23:28<Dreakon>ryan22, I guess more importantly, is it louder? lol
23:28<deezzznuts>?
23:28<ryan22>Dreakon, you can set it to ue the system volume directly
23:28<ryan22>*use
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23:29<Dreakon>Don't the other video players do that?
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23:30<cthuluh>they are usually controlling the 'PCM' ouput
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23:31<cthuluh>but I guess all your complex sound and multimedia systems make things harder to nderstand :)
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23:37<Dreakon>smplayer is as quiet as totem unfortunately. :(
23:38<ryan22>di you set it to use the system volume?
23:39<ryan22>the option is under options -> general -> audio
23:39<ryan22>and just make sure "global volume" is the only option checked under volume
23:40<Dreakon>Hmm... I think the reason VLC seems so much louder is because I can set it to 200%
23:40<Dreakon>I have that set correctly.
23:40<ryan22>did you try adjusting the master volume?
23:40<ryan22>or your speaker volume
23:40<Dreakon>Master volume is cranked up and I have a laptop
23:41<Dreakon>its loud, but not loud enough to watch with an air conditioner on and sitting more than a foot away
23:41<ryan22>try alsamixer and crank wave
23:41<ryan22>ya thers not much we can do
23:41<ryan22>your laptop's speakers suck
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23:41<Dreakon>Somehow VLC manages lol
23:41<ryan22>however smplayer cna be set to use its own volume control too
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23:42<ryan22>and you can set the max amplification
23:42<Dreakon>How might I do that?
23:42<ryan22>by default its 100%
23:42<ryan22>the option is under options -> general -> audio
23:43<ryan22>check the 2nd option under volume
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23:43<ryan22>and adjust max amp.
23:43<Dreakon>Ah, thats perfect. :)
23:43<ryan22>good luck
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