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---Logopened Sun Jun 06 00:00:18 2010
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00:04<keyes>howdy
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00:08<Silicium01>Hi everyone. My screen suddenly shifted downa bit (50 pixels?) and it appears to be Linux problem, not monitor. When i switch to lower screen resolutions, everything is fine, but in highest res, it's been lowered
00:09<Silicium01>Is there anything I can do to fix/troubleshoot this?
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00:18<keyes>re: http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2009-4537 (this bug only affects people who use the realtek driver, right?)
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00:29<ryan22>Silicium01: vga or dvi
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00:32<Silicium01>ryan22, DVI from graphics card then connected to dvi to vga connector, and vga going into monitor
00:32<ryan22>run auto adjust on the monitor
00:32<Silicium01>ryan22, did, does not help
00:32<ryan22>you you try manually adjusting it?
00:33<Silicium01>I tried to move the screen up vertically through monitor settings but it wont go up enough
00:33<ryan22>if that fails, just use a dvi cable
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00:33<Silicium01>ryan22, you think it's a cable issue?
00:33<Silicium01>it used to work fine before
00:33<ryan22>you could *try* syncing your monitor using vga
00:33<Silicium01>then it shifted down all of a sudden
00:33<ryan22>but dvi is pixel perfect
00:33<ryan22>youre seeing a vga problem
00:34<ryan22>using straight dvi should fix it
00:34<Silicium01>ryan22, I will get the cable tomorrow, but how can I try to sync it with vga today?
00:34<ryan22>i wouldnt bother
00:34<Silicium01>by sync you mean auto adjust on monitor?
00:35<ryan22>yep
00:35<Silicium01>yeah, that didn't work...
00:35<ryan22>you could try messing with the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file
00:35<Silicium01>it's just weird because it used to work
00:35<ryan22>but itll be easier just to use a dvi cable
00:35<ryan22>eh it happens
00:36<cthuluh>Silicium01: did you try to restart you {x,g,k}dm ?
00:36<Silicium01>cthuluh, yes, even restarted the computer
00:36<cthuluh>ok
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00:37<ryan22>ya it could be just interference causing the improper syncing, or a bent pin
00:37<cthuluh>the I have no clue
00:37<cthuluh>try to play with xrandr
00:37<cthuluh>then* , sorry
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00:37<Silicium01>I tried dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, but that does not give me any display configuration options, just keyboard
00:37<ryan22>it could a be number of things. you best bet is just to use dvi ;)
00:37<Silicium01>ryan22, I'll get the cable tomorrow and hopefully that'll fix it
00:37<ryan22>it should
00:38<cthuluh>with -plow, perhaps
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00:38<qq->Silicium01, try X -configure :1
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00:38<Silicium01>qq what's that?
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00:38<cthuluh>not a funny guy, but a wise guy, after all, huh qq- ? :)
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00:39<qq->Silicium01, the correct X configure command
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00:39<qq->Silicium01, xserver-xorg is obsolete
00:40<Silicium01>qq-, interesting, thanks
00:40<qq->np
00:41<Silicium01>ryan22, I just remmembered the same day it started happening I moved the computer up and cables were a bit stretched... so it actually could be a bent pin issue
00:41<Silicium01>hope I didnt bend the dvi pins
00:41<ryan22>heh it shouldnt matter much with dvi
00:42<ryan22>vga is weird cause its analog
00:42<Silicium01>ryan22, ok, nice
00:42<ryan22>dvi is digital so its alot more tolerant
00:43<ryan22>the signal will also be a bit clearer
00:43<Silicium01>nice
00:44<ryan22>good luck ;)
00:44<Silicium01>ryan22, thanks
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01:06<sparky4_>ryan22: ANALOG?
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01:12<Lillymon>I'm currently getting loud, repeating static out of my speakers. Restarting or even shutting down ALSA has absolutely no effect. How do I kill this fucking noise?
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01:14<Lillymon>This is getting annoying now.
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01:15<Lillymon>Any suggestions? I could come over to one of you and start screaming in your face ever half second to demonstrate the scale of the problem if you'd like.
01:16<Lillymon>This seems to happen a lot, completely at random. Typically killing and restarting ALSA fixes it, but this time ALSA seems to have decided this is now the standard state of affairs.
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01:19<Lillymon>force-reload got it in the end.
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02:05<sparky4_>Lillymon: alsactl restore?
02:06<sparky4_>Lillymon: can you run alsamixer?
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04:26<hatter>i imagine gnome on debian doesnt get used much in here, but does anyone know why user desktop settings are not saved ?
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04:30<dv->Permission problem perhaps
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04:57<Jarlaxe>Hi guys, i search the way to rename recursively *directories* : indeed, i find on the web the way to do it on files only (ex: rename 's/ /_/g' *.jpg). I try to apply this solution to directories but it does nothing. Any tip ?
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04:58<cahoot>http://mywiki.wooledge.org/UsingFind
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05:07<Jarlaxe>cahoot: i'm checking it. Thx
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05:25<picca>hi guys
05:26<picca>I have a problem with a watch file for this web site
05:26<picca>wget https://www.tango-controls.org/Members/picca/hkl-4.0.3.tar.gz
05:26<picca>I try with this pattern:
05:26<picca>https://www.tango-controls.org/Members/picca/hkl-(.*)\.tar\.gz
05:26<picca>but I got : no matching hrefs for watch line
05:27<picca>when I am using uscan
05:27<picca>what's wrong with it ?
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05:58<khaled>HI
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05:59<khaled>hi
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06:00<Jaleks>i was wondering how to figure out which parts of the filesystem are using a specific symbolic link, just forgot how this is to do - anyone could help out?
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06:02<petemc>Jaleks: find -type l
06:03<petemc>unless you mean you want to tell hard links form softlinks, which i dont know how to do off the top of my head
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06:11<Jaleks>no that should do the trick with an additional grep, thx :-)
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06:52<www>hi, everyone , is dash better than bash ?
06:53<www>i check the debian wiki, and find that the squeeze will use the dash as its default interactive shell
06:54<@weasel>that seems misinformed
06:54<www>really?
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06:55<www>url: http://wiki.debian.org/Shell
06:55<@weasel>I stand correct.
06:55<@weasel>maybe you should re-read that page again.
06:56<www>ok ,
06:56<Vakio>www: hint: /bin/sh, not interactive shell.
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06:56<Jarlaxe>hi everyone. I use a squeeze 2.6.32. I try to rename directories. I found the "rename 's/_//' *" command in howtos, it's aim to rename files, so it doesn't work. How would you do ?
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06:57<www>ok ,my fault , it's the /bin/sh that will be the dash ,
06:57<@weasel>mmv.
06:57<www>weasel: sorry for that
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06:57<@weasel>Jarlaxe: mmv. vidir.
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06:58<Jarlaxe>weasel: thank you, i check it right the way
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06:58<www>vakio: thx , i mix them both, sorry for that
06:59<Vakio>www: no need to be sorry, I think :)
06:59<www>vakio : and i was wondering if the dash is better than bash?
06:59<cthuluh>it is faster
07:00<cthuluh>but not "better", no
07:01<cthuluh>one could say it is better because it is only a POSIX compliant sh
07:01<cthuluh>so if you use bash's or zsh functionnalities, you'll be kicked out fastly
07:01<www>got it ! thx
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07:05<locklace>dpkg: qotd0
07:05<dpkg><Guerin> heh, I have a wife who, when not doing it herself, makes me do it
07:09<user01>hey i have a friend for whom the audio player on this site wont work: www.deezer.com and it works for me, is it pehaps a flash player? trying to find out what package she needs to install
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07:10<cthuluh>I was sure that it was the real question he wanted to ask, yesterday :)
07:10<user01>someone said mozilla-mplayer but i dont have that installed
07:11<cthuluh>user01: packages with a name beginning with "flashplugin-..." perhaps ?
07:11<Vakio>user01: yeah, that's Flash.
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07:11<user01>Vakio, ok because i see the play panel on hers, it just doesnt play when i click on it
07:11<user01>mine it plays when i click on it
07:12<user01>Vakio, ok thanks
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07:19<user01>mmm flashplayer-mozilla i have installed, flashplayer-nonfree might be better?
07:20<craigevil>user01: they both do the same thing
07:21<user01>ah she might have to update her sources to lenny-backports
07:21<user01>that could be it
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07:24<Sara>G'afternoon
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07:29<Jaleks>how do i reorder my device numbers without getting in danger for my data? meaning i have hdc7 which lays physically before hdc6 and i would like to change these both numbers
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07:34<cthuluh>Jaleks: what a strange need ; I guess you can play with udev
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07:35<usamahashimi>hi
07:35<usamahashimi>i have just installed debian for the first time
07:35<usamahashimi>how can i install e17?
07:36<Sara>allanis@rhien:~$ apt-cache search e17
07:36<Sara>alsa-tools-gui - GUI based ALSA utilities for specific hardware
07:36<Sara>libeet-dbg - E17 file chunk reading/writing library - debug symbols
07:36<Sara>?
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07:36<Nehyx>usamahashimi: See >> http://wiki.enlightenment.org/index.php/E17_User_Guide/Installing_using_Linux_distribution_packages
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07:36<Sara>Opps
07:36<cthuluh>hehe
07:37<usamahashimi>Nehyx, leme check
07:37<cthuluh>e17 is in he sid repos
07:37<locklace>!tell usamahashimi about install it
07:38<themill>locklace: and how do you suppose that particular piece of advice is helpful?
07:39<Sara>!tell Sara about insall it
07:39<Sara>Lol
07:39<Sara>!tell Sara about install it
07:39<Jaleks>!tell Jaleks about install it
07:39<themill>Sara: feel free to "/msg dpkg install it"
07:39<Sara>:) thanks.
07:40<Jaleks>also
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07:42<Jaleks>hm i know that testdisk once did the trick for me to reorder device numbers, unfortunately i got a crypted partition which testdisk cant handle...
07:43<craigevil>usamahashimi: http://packages.enlightenment.org/debian/
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08:01<Jaleks>ah yes, reordering of my partition numbers now worked quite easy with fdisk: just 'x', then 'f' then 'w' (like found at http://phlogma.com/linux/?p=4) - just if anyone is curious
08:02<Jaleks>will be back in 2 minutes if the reboot fails ;-)
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08:11<Jaleks>just to give another ffedback for the logs: don't try this at home, or - at least - backup your first 512 disk bytes before ;-/
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09:50<bobbillon>hi !
09:51<bobbillon>anybody knows how i can configure policykit on squeeze ? i just want to be able to mount/write/unmount on usb driver ( i installed hal + halevt )
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09:53<mixalis>Hi all, I need some help. My flash drive stop working and I don't know how to fix it. This morning I used it and it was working but not now. When I try to open it nothing hapent. With disk tool I try to see storage capacity but it says means not detected.
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10:01<x7>anybody here?
10:02<dv->yes
10:02<x7>yeah ,i got a problem
10:03<dv->don't we all, brother
10:03<dr|z3d>!ask
10:03<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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10:04<roughnecks>hi
10:07<x7>i am new in debian ,when i remove some software,i got a error said "sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code(1)"
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10:08<jpinx-eeepc>x7: what command did you use to remove "some software" ?
10:08<x7>apt-get remove +packagename
10:09<jpinx-eeepc>x7: try it with aptitude
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10:09<usamahashimi>hi
10:10<cthuluh>lo
10:10<usamahashimi>i have install flashplugin-nonfree but iceweasel is saying that no plugin is installed, can anyone help me to install flash plugin?
10:10<x7>is there any broken software depends relationship in my computer?
10:12<cthuluh>usamahashimi: enable it like any other plugin in iceweasel / firefox. if it doesn't work, then try update-alternatives --config flash-mozilla.so (or something like that)
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10:13<cthuluh>x7: it is possible. you know better than us
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10:13<cthuluh>usamahashimi: ah and you may need to restart your iceweasel too, of course
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10:15<x7>maybe,thanks ,i'll check it now ,thank you
10:17<usamahashimi>cthuluh, update-alternatives is not working
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10:18<fuogo>usamahashimi, you suck
10:18<dr|z3d>x7: If an install/removal fails, you can always try dpkg --configure -a or aptitude install -f
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10:19<usamahashimi>debhelper, good work
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10:21<x7>thank you dr|z3d
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10:24<x7>haha ,i am from china
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10:39<roughnecks>hi, i'm trying to backport wormux-servers from sid and building-dep, apt wants to remove libcurl4-openssl-dev and replace it with libcurl4-gnutls-dev. Anyone here knows if it is safe ? I mean, will i get problems with currently installed applications ? I know this is not so simple to say but, if you have a clue .. Thanks
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10:40<roughnecks>i'm running a stable debian
10:40<cthuluh>roughnecks: since it is a -dev package, it should not be used by other applications
10:40<paultag>!ops mib_stskaa and fuogo CTCP Version spamming in #debian-mentors
10:40<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: paultag complains about: mib_stskaa and fuogo CTCP Version spamming in #debian-mentors
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10:41<paultag>.ops
10:42<jpinx-eeepc>!tell roughnecks about ssb
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10:43<roughnecks>cthuluh: maybe i used it to compile something i don't remember now .. you know, if it is installed, i used it someway
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10:43<roughnecks>paultag: tnx, i'm just done with that
10:44<paultag>roughnecks, tjfontaine just took care of that, thanks.
10:44<cthuluh>roughnecks: aptitude why libcurl-...-openssl-dev
10:44<roughnecks>apt-get build-dep says it wants to remove taht lib: there is no backported version now
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10:45<roughnecks>cthuluh: ty, going to try
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10:47<andrew>can I get some help please? My system keeps crashing at random intervals
10:47<andrew>I am runn
10:47<andrew>crunchbang 9.04 64 bit
10:48<andrew>on dell inspiron 1750
10:48<themill>!crunchbang
10:48<dpkg>CrunchBang Linux is a Live CD distribution based on <Ubuntu>, featuring the <Openbox> window manager. It is not supported in #debian. http://www.crunchbanglinux.org/ #crunchbang on irc.freenode.net. See <based on Debian>.
10:48<andrew>when it crashed the gui freezes, the sound freezes/ jitters at the same spot... and no interrupts from keyboard mouse or usb or power waken it, only resolution is force power off
10:48<roughnecks>cthuluh: conflict. Both libraries provide same functionality, i think
10:49<roughnecks>i libcurl4-openssl-dev Va in conflitto libcurl-dev
10:49<roughnecks>p libcurl4-gnutls-dev Fornisce libcurl-dev
10:49<roughnecks>italian language
10:49<roughnecks>^^
10:49<andrew>I had the same problems on The newest Debian
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10:50<andrew>I just need to fix the set-up/ find a distro that wil lbe 100% stable on my hardware but failing miserably
10:51<cthuluh>roughnecks: that's perfectly normal, you know
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10:52<ryan22>andrew: you can try mine, infinityOS
10:52<craigevil>andrew: rather than switching distros, figure out what the problem is and fix it
10:52<ryan22>whoops
10:52<roughnecks>eh, i see... so would you recommend switching from one to another?
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10:52<ryan22>if worst comes to worse
10:52<cthuluh>roughnecks: at least in order to build
10:52<cthuluh>you can change back later
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10:53<craigevil>roughnecks: its just a -dev package it shouldn't affect anything
10:53<roughnecks>after installing wormux-servers i'll be able to turn back, the ?
10:53<roughnecks>then*
10:53<roughnecks>oh, i see
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10:53<roughnecks>Thank you
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10:56<craigevil>roughnecks: you might even be able to just install the wormux-server package, try aptitude -r -t unstable install wormux-server -s and see what it says
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10:57<roughnecks>craigevil: i'll try
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11:19<kino>ola ivan
11:19<kino>kien es zomb
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11:21<Tecna1>the command, 'truecrypt -v -p PASSWORD /mnt/.storage/Crypto.tc /media/Storage --fs-options="rw,uid=1000,gid=1001,umask=0000"' is mounting my ntfs volume RO. I suspect it's because I need to specify ntfs-3g, but when I add '--filesystem="ntfs-3g"' I get this error: http://pastebin.com/wR9S5GB3
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11:23<dv->So did you try -o force?
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11:24<Tecna1>dv-: Yeah, it crashed the system
11:24<doguero>mkc
11:24<doguero>hello
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11:25<Tecna1>dv-: the physical memory use instantly spiked to %100 as soon as I executed.
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11:34<Tecna1>I'm going to try force again to see if the crash was a fluke.
11:35<Tecna1>brb, tech suicide
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11:37<SuperMiguel>how do i change my timezone?
11:38<cthuluh>dpkg-reconfigure tzdata
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11:40<Tecna>nope, it crashed again
11:42<dv->Have you tried mounting an unencrypted ntfs volume to see if it truecrypt's fault?
11:42<Tecna>Yeah, I have one in fstab
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11:54<Lillymon>I've tried to record a video with my webcam here, and all I've achieve is finding I have no video encoders outside of Theora, Vorbis, MP3, and FLAC installed here, now not Cheese segfaults at startup. I don't even know what to ask.
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11:55<Lillymon>Why Cheese has suddenly decided it can't start is one. Where the fuck my ALSA audio input for my webcam audio is another (I tried "hw:1,0", apparently that's not it).
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11:56<Tecna>install the ffmpeg codecs from the repo and try recording a test again.
11:56<Lillymon>Also what the encoders for stuff like AAC, MPEG-4 ASP, and H.264 is another.
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11:57<Lillymon>A package name would be more helpful.
11:58<Tecna>I don't have the repository memorized
11:58<Lillymon>That's not very helpful then. I've got a list of ffmpeg packages in Debian and Debian-Multimedia, and none look like a load of codecs.
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11:59<craigevil>Cheese uses the gstreamer plugins
11:59<Lillymon>Cheese crashes right now, so that's not my primary concern. It segfault at startup with no explanation.
12:00<Tecna>see if you have libavcodec51 installed
12:00<Lillymon>libavcodec53 is what I've got.
12:00<Lillymon>*52
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12:01<Tecna>Where'd you get that? I don't see libavcodec52 in the repo
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12:03<Lillymon>http://www.debian-multimedia.org/dists/testing/main/binary-amd64/package/libavcodec52.php
12:04<Tecna>"testing" What version Debian are you using?
12:04<Lillymon>testing
12:05<craigevil>Lillymon: x264 - video encoder for the H.264/MPEG-4 AVC standard, gstreamer0.10-x264, libx264-xx
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12:06<stuckey>Hello
12:06<Tecna>Howdy
12:06<stuckey>I have problems with my dvd/cd drive. I've filled a kernel bug, asked numerous times on irc, written to the mailing list, and searched for hours on google but I haven't found any help. What else is there to do?
12:06<Lillymon>Well I've got that now, but that doesn't get me past the Cheese crashing problem. I just tried purging and reinstaling it, with no change to the problem.
12:07<locklace>stuckey: what kernel bug
12:07<stuckey>locklace: Bug#583949
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12:09<Lillymon>Also, VLC still asks for an audio device name, and I still don't know what it is. What name is it looking for? What would ALSA call the audio input? It's not the default, it's the secondary input, so what's it called?
12:09<stuckey>Looks like someone else thinks they have the same issue.
12:10<locklace>stuckey: that bug's good, your best bet is to keep track of it. other thing you can do is post to lkml and, depending on the response, open a bug directly at bugzilla.kernel.org
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12:10<stuckey>locklace: lkml?
12:10<cahoot>Lillymon: not easily found out, try alsahw:1 or such
12:10<locklace>!tell stuckey about lkml
12:11<Lillymon>cahoot: Are you serious? I'm going to have to start GUESSING?
12:11<craigevil>stuckey: you might try a liquorix kernel, not an official kernel but it works well, i had a similar issue a while back it was random one time the dvd drive would work the next boot it wouldnt
12:12<Lillymon>I've heard suggestions that PulseAudio is supposed to take at least some of the excruciating pain out of dealing with ALSA. Does it work?
12:12<locklace>no, it creates more excruciating pain
12:12<Lillymon>Brilliant.
12:12<Lillymon>I don't see how that's possible in this case, but whatever.
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12:13<Lillymon>How can an indeterminate audio device name be what I'm supposed to be working with?
12:13<cahoot>fresh from google: vlc --alsa-audio-device 1,0 - might be more correct Lillymon
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12:14<Lillymon>That's a command-line switch then? I'm using the GUI right now.
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12:17<Lillymon>I tried "hw:1,0", which didn't work. So...
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12:19<Lillymon>Why are we using ALSA anyway? Do the kernel developers enjoy sado-madochism in their offtime?
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12:19<Lillymon>I'd hate it less if I didn't spend hours doing this.
12:19<Lillymon>I've been sitting here for TWO HOURS now.
12:20<cahoot>Lillymon: care to try plughw:1?
12:20<themill>Lillymon: we'd hate you less if you weren't quite so demanding
12:20<cthuluh>make yourself a favour, buy yourself a windows seven
12:20<Lillymon>themill: I hate you less if... no I'd just hate you anyway.
12:20<locklace>stuckey: btw, are you writing discs
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12:21<Tecna>Lillymon: Worse, you're demanding that we help you get software working perfectly on your machine, when it's still in testing phase.
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12:22<cahoot>to be honest - figuring out the correct terminology for alsa devices is hard
12:23<cahoot>at least not very intuitive
12:24<Lillymon>Tecna: Don't give me that. Debian Sqeeze is in testing, VLC is not. Software does not magically become beta quality because the distro its on hasn't been formally released yet.
12:24<stuckey>locklace: writing discs seems to work
12:24<Tecna>Lillymon: I guess you've never heard of dependencies and compatibility.
12:24<locklace>stuckey: do your failed mounts happen after writing, or in general
12:25<locklace>stuckey: and what's on the discs the mount is failing for
12:25<stuckey>locklace: in general
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12:25<stuckey>locklace: isos, data discs, CD, cd-r, DVD+R
12:25<Tecna>Lillymon: If you plug your computer into a power outlet that doesn't work, do you expect the computer to work?
12:26<locklace>stuckey: ok. so if you eject the drive, load a disc with a known-good iso9660 fs, and try to mount, it fails?
12:26<Lillymon>Tecna: That analogy was bad and you should feel bad.
12:26<transformer>Hi, can someone help? In Gnome commander a letter with a Umlaut is represented by an ?-sign. What should I install/adjust?
12:27<stuckey>locklace: sometimes yes. Sometimes it works.
12:27<Tecna>Lillymon: If you don't understand something so simple, you shouldn't being trying to use a computer, let alone Linux.
12:27<Lillymon>So now Debian has made ALSA device names unpredicable? Boy, this testing instability sure is far-reaching!
12:27<locklace>stuckey: when did the failures start happening, or have they always happened
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12:27<stuckey>locklace: hmm, with upgrade to .32 I think
12:28<stuckey>No, it started happening before that... I had a lot of trouble installing a few months ago.
12:28<locklace>stuckey: your bug says it happened on .30 too
12:28<stuckey>I figured it was something wrong with the drive but everything works on windoze.
12:28<Tecna>Hey, guys, is it smart or stupid to expect something to work when it depends on something that's broken?
12:28<Lillymon>You're using testing as an excuse. How could it be causing my device name problem? We've established ALSA device names are fundamentally hard to figure out, that's not a testing issue.
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12:28<cahoot>Lillymon: AIUI different apps use different notation for the 'devices'
12:29<craigevil>stuckey: do you get weird errors at boot like, hdb not available, thats what I was getting when my dvd drive wouldnt work properly
12:30<stuckey>craigevil: No
12:30<stuckey>I get a 'can't mount the filesystem' if there's a disc in the drive.
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12:30<locklace>stuckey: can you take a data disc with a known-good fs and just repeat 1. umount/eject 2. insert 3. mount, ten times and report the success/fail ratio
12:30<stuckey>locklace: like a movie DVD, a real one?
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12:31<locklace>no, a data disc with an iso9660 fs
12:31<Lillymon>cahoot: Well now VLC has decided /dev/video0 is also invalid.
12:31<stuckey>locklace: okay like a debian install disc
12:32<Lillymon>It doesn't activate the webcam and records a blank file.
12:32<cahoot>Lillymon: so no sound and no picture - a sad day for humankind
12:32<locklace>stuckey: yeah. you do realise that you can only mount discs with such a filesystem, i hope
12:32<Lillymon>Cheese crashes and VLC can't see the hardware.
12:32<stuckey>locklace: I didn't know that. Which command should I use to mount? Just mount /dev/sr0 as user?
12:33<locklace>stuckey: mount -t iso9660 /dev/sr0 /mnt, as root
12:34<Lillymon>Also Tecna doesn't know the difference between 'may be broken' and 'is broken'.
12:34<locklace>stuckey: if you try to mount a disc that lacks a filesystem, you may well get errors in dmesg like the ones you got
12:35<stuckey>I'm on 2 and 0 for fail right now
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12:37<Tecna>Lillymon: No, you don't seem to understand that I'm just telling you to stop being such a demanding bitch when the software is being distributed as-is. Now STFU.
12:37<Lillymon>Tecna: No.
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12:39<Lillymon>If everyone thought like you, no one would use any Google product.
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12:40<Tecna>Lillymon: If eveyone thought like you, Google wouldn't exist because the developers would kill themselves.
12:41<cthuluh>and that would be good (speaking about google)
12:41<themill>Lillymon: you clearly have no idea how destructive and poisonous your attitude and language is. Please at least try to play nicely with the other kiddies and take the time to think what the volunteers who are trying to help you make of your demands, accusations and swearing.
12:41<stuckey>locklace: 0 and 10; http://paste.debian.net/76363/
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12:42<locklace>stuckey: so the obvious question on 0 for 10 is how do you know there's a valid fs on there to begin with
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12:42<Lillymon>themill: Does saying that ever work?
12:43<transformer>Someone an idea?
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12:43<themill>Lillymon: most people in #debian already have the maturity to understand that they are working with volunteers.
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12:44<stuckey>locklace: windows reads it
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12:44<stuckey>mac reads it too
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12:44<Lillymon>themill: Most of them don't have this headache. I'm too tired to do anything if the webcam worked anyway, so I'll leave trying to make a video until the next blue moon.
12:45<locklace>stuckey: what kind of disc is it and what's on it
12:45<stuckey>locklace: tayio yuden, dvd+r, data
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12:45<jpinx-eeepc>!tell transformer about locales
12:46<locklace>stuckey: doesn't sound like an iso9660 fs
12:46<stuckey>locklace: I made it an iso before I burnt it.
12:46<stuckey>That's how you burn a DVD. You make it into an ISO and then burn it.
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12:48<craigevil>transformer: try dpkg-reconfigure locales and make sure a language like es that uses a Umlaut is checked,
12:48<locklace>stuckey: there are loads of different formats you can stick on a dvd. that you named the image "iso" doesn't mean anything unless you know the format for a fact
12:49<locklace>stuckey: try this, dd if=/dev/sr0 of=/tmp/dvd.data bs=1M count=100
12:49<stuckey>locklace: Perhaps there was an error made on this particular disc?
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12:50<locklace>stuckey: that's why i keep telling you to use a known-good disc with a known iso9660 fs on it
12:50<transformer>I got Dutch version .... Now Umlaut is represented by an ?
12:50<locklace>i'm starting to think your problem is just trying to mount things that can't be mounted
12:50<stuckey>locklace: the disc is known to be good since it works on mac and windows, couldn't you agree?
12:50<stuckey>locklace: what does the command you gave me just now do?
12:50<locklace>it reads 100 mb of data from the dvd to a file in /tmp
12:51<stuckey>okay
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12:51<stuckey>locklace: 0 bytes (0 B) copied, 0.000262533 s, 0.0 kB/s
12:52<locklace>did that produce errors in dmesg
12:52<stuckey>locklace: no
12:53<locklace>well, 0 bytes isn't quite 100 megs, so something went wrong
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12:53<locklace>ls -l /tmp/dvd.data
12:54<stuckey>-rw-r--r-- 1 stuckey stuckey 0 Jun 6 20:52 /tmp/dvd.data
12:54<stuckey>I have another disc here, a game that I downloaded and installed last year. It's a DVD.
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12:54<locklace>stick that in and try the same dd command
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12:54<stuckey>locklace: Trying mount first... failed.
12:55<stuckey>104857600 bytes (105 MB) copied, 16.9413 s, 6.2 MB/s
12:56<locklace>good
12:56<locklace>try mount -t udf /dev/sr0 /mnt
12:56<stuckey>locklace: fail
12:57<locklace>well, we have no idea what format the disc is in. might as well try "file /tmp/dvd.data"
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12:58<stuckey>/tmp/dvd.data: POSIX shell script text executable
12:58<locklace>nice
12:58<stuckey>locklace: I thought you could only mount one type of filesystem?
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12:58<locklace>stuckey: dvds usually use udf or iso9660, if they have an fs at all
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12:59<stuckey>locklace: I'll try a debian iso that I downloaded next.
12:59<locklace>yes, get or make a cd/dvd that definitely has an iso9660 fs on it, and test with that
12:59<stuckey>this one definitely does...
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13:00<stuckey>locklace: debian squeeze image works
13:02<stuckey>It is a CD, the others have all been DVDs.
13:02<stuckey>Mounted sucessfully twice
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13:02<locklace>yeah, i bet your only issue is that you need to 1. know the format of the disc you're trying to use and 2. use the right tool to access it. the difference in mac or windows is that you usually don't have to worry much about these things
13:03<transformer>No Umlaut possible only ? and copying files is not possible...
13:03<transformer>Can someone give some simple advise?
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13:05<stuckey>locklace: So how do I use/mount this disc that doesn't work (usually)?
13:05<stuckey>locklace: Better question: How exactly does one make a backup-dvd of a few file folders?
13:05<stuckey>I created an ISO file and then did "wodim foo.iso" to burn it to a dvd.
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13:06<locklace>you can use genisoimage to make an iso9660 .iso image file out of a directory
13:07<locklace>you can test that it's good before burning with mount -o loop file.iso /mnt
13:09<stuckey>Okay, so genisoimage foo/
13:09<stuckey>I'm pretty sure that's what I did.
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13:09<stuckey>eh, that didn't work
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13:15<stuckey>genisoimage -o cd.iso dir_name
13:15<stuckey>What's the difference between vanilla ISO9660 and Rock Ridge extensions?
13:16<cthuluh>I guess wikipedia has the answer
13:16<P4k3>Anyone here has any experience with intel 100 pro nics that stops working when upgrading from debian 5 stable to squeeze?
13:16<P4k3>using the e100 module
13:17<cthuluh>perhaps does it require a non-free blob, which is now in linux-firmware-nonfree
13:18<P4k3>ah think it said something about that
13:18<P4k3>How do I enable the nonfree things in sources.list
13:18<P4k3>I've only got console access.. No X :P
13:18<P4k3>and no other computers with internet access :P
13:18<cthuluh>firmware-linux-free*
13:18<P4k3>hard to google with links :)
13:19<cthuluh>use elinks :P
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13:19<cthuluh>add "contrib non-free" to the end of the main lines of your sources.list
13:19<cthuluh>(without the quotes)
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15:07<musixuser>hi u
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15:24<doom3>hi, i compiled gtradiant but i get this error: no games setup. aborting ???
15:24<doom3>*gtkradiant
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15:35<inkbottle>I've just riped an audio-cd with goobox. Everything completed successfully. I inserted an other one, the cd hasn't been even recognized. Putting back the first one, the same. How can i perform test on a audio-cd, and what could have gone wrong?
15:37<ryan22>have you tried another problem
15:37<ryan22>*program
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15:37<ryan22>such as sound-juicer
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15:37<inkbottle>not yet. I can try that.
15:38<ryan22>also, make sure the cd is mounted
15:39<inkbottle>by the way, first time the cd had appeared on the desktop; second time nothing happened; but first of all, i'll try sound-juicer to see if it gives me informations.
15:39<inkbottle>cd seems to mound automatically
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15:41<administrator_>有国人吗
15:41<administrator_>HELP ME
15:41<cthuluh>NO!!!
15:42<administrator_>CHINA
15:42<cthuluh>you mean you're chinese?
15:42<administrator_>YES
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15:43<craigevil>administrator_: for starters turn off caplock, then explain the problem
15:43<administrator_>I only know a little English
15:43<cthuluh>^^
15:44<craigevil>!tell administrator_ about cn
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15:45<administrator_>You're Canadian
15:46<administrator_>Hello, nice to meet you
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15:48<cthuluh>administrator_: so, you needed help?
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15:49<administrator_>You is that day?
15:49<qq->administrator_, /j #debian-zh
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15:50<qq->there you may have help in zh
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15:52<administrator_>YES
15:53<administrator_>My English is very poor, to meet a foreign friend, I'm glad to introduce myself, my name is liu tao, from China
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15:57<jesperj>Hello. Can someone help me with debsecan? I am confused by it's output. I thought running "debsecan --suite lenny --report detail" would show only vulnerabilities for the system the command is ran on (which runs lenny). Is this correct?
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15:58<administrator_>这里有来自中国的吗
15:58<administrator_>Here are from China
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15:58<administrator_>?0.
15:58<rudi_s>jesperj: Yes.
15:59<administrator_>你好
15:59<administrator_>You are there
16:00<themill>administrator_: You want the "Ubuntu servers" not here. /server irc.freenode.net ; /join #ubuntu-cn
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16:02<rutski>I can't seem to install gcc-doc
16:02<rutski>apt-get install gcc-doc bitches about it not having an installation candidate
16:02<rutski>yet when I do "apt-file search gcc.1", it tells me that the man page does indeed come from the "gcc-doc" package, so what gives? :-/
16:03<themill>rutski: do you have "non-free" in your sources.list?
16:03<themill>,info gcc-doc
16:03<judd>gcc-doc (contrib/doc, optional): documentation for the GNU compilers (gcc, gobjc, g++). Version: 5:2; Size: 2.8k; Installed: 16k
16:03<themill>rutski: err.... and contrib
16:03<davi>What program to measure pixels in an area of an image?
16:03<themill>davi: what sort of measurements?
16:04<davi>number of pixels to guess area
16:04<davi>in metres
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16:04<jesperj>rudi_s: thanks... I need to go through stuff more. might ask the questions I had later when I have thought it through more. thanks though
16:05<themill>davi: imagej might be what you're looking for. It has quite a few area and distance measurement tools
16:05<rutski>themill: wow, that fixed it
16:05<rutski>thanks :)
16:05<rudi_s>jesperj: np
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16:05<rutski>but it's f**ked up that undocumented(7) doesn't mention this
16:05<themill>rutski: no worries... you're not supposed to sound quite so surprised though!
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16:05<themill>rutski: undocumented(7) is generic... it can't know to tell you that, unfortunately.
16:05<davi>thanks themill
16:06<themill>np
16:06<rutski>themill: I'm not? I can't be expected to know that the docs for a free package are in the non-free tree
16:06<rutski>themill: "generic"?
16:06<rutski>well then apt-get install should tell you to check the other trees when it can't find a package
16:06<rutski>_something_ in the install processes ought to tell you what to do in such cases
16:07<themill>rutski: debian doesn't encourage the use of contrib and non-free.
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16:07<themill>rutski: note, however, that searching on packages.debian.org would have given you the information you wanted.
16:08<rutski>themill: huh?
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16:08<rutski>well then the install process ought to have told me that
16:08<rutski>so the excuse for having a cryptic and confusing installation process it that that package's use isn't encouraged?
16:08<rutski>I'm going to submit a patch to fix this, I'm pretty sure it'll be accepted
16:08<rutski>how do I go about doing that anyway?
16:08<themill>rutski: yeah, it could be nicer... but how do you propose hat this would work?
16:08<themill>rutski: /msg dpkg reportbug
16:08<themill>administrator_: please don't message me for help -- as I said, you're in the wrong place.
16:08<administrator_>有来自中国的吗
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16:11<rutski>themill: well doing "apt-get install gcc-doc" gave me the whole line about "Package gcc-doc is not available, but is referred to by another package. This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or is only avaialbe from another source."
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16:12<rutski>themill: but it would be a lot clearer what the course of action should be in a huge number of cases if it added "check to see if the package is present in source trees like contrib or non-free"
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16:13<themill>rutski: Perhaps. There would be many false positives from that message, it would be debian-specific (apt is not only used in debian, after all), and it has told you to look in another source already (which means contrib non-free or a different repo).
16:13<themill>rutski: But you may as well submit the patch for the apt maintainers to think about the matter some more.
16:14<rutski>well, let me put it this way, I know what contrib and non-free are, but I didn't make the mental connection that contrib and non-free were what the message meant by "other sources"
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16:14<rutski>but that's a good point about apt not being debian specific
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16:14<rutski>but I'm sure it could do something like check for the presence of /etc/debian_version, or something of that sort
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16:18<inkbottle>So about the audio-cd ripping issue i have: with my cd-reader i can read data-cd. But any audio-cd i put; the cd is never recognize. About mounting it: audio-cd can't be mounted. I've tried with goobox and sound-juicer: same issue. And it worked a couple of minutes ago. Any hint about what could be happening?
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16:18<rutski>just since I'm here, and already talking about it, the reason I need gcc-doc is to research why gcc's -MD option output things like http://codepad.org/CdtSDEVl
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16:19<rutski>where all but the first list of files seem to _always_ be empty
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16:27<keito>Hi there folks, I'm receiving a warning from apt - "Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/rtl8168d-2.fw for module r8169" ... I've installed the package "firmware-linux-nonfree" but that hasn't rectified the issue, I think there must be some step I'm not getting from online guides (of which there are few!)
16:28<cthuluh>perhaps install linux-firmware-free ?
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16:29<keito>I installed the firmware-linux package also
16:29<keito>cthuluh, by all accounts the needed firmware is in the nonfree package
16:29<cthuluh>hmmm, there seems to be a problem
16:30<keito>cthuluh, yeah, there is no linux-firmware-free package .. ;)
16:30<keito>do I need to load a module at startup?
16:30<keito>is so what module do I need to modprobe in order to get my hardware working?
16:31<cthuluh>it is possible that this driver doesn't need a firmware
16:31<keito>s/is/if
16:31<keito>I'm _sure_ it does
16:31<cthuluh>http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=48797
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16:32<keito>cthuluh, ah... interesting
16:32<keito>cheers
16:33<cthuluh>http://forum.debian-fr.org/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=24692
16:33<cthuluh>this one says the exact opposite :P
16:33<keito>I'm not that fluent in Francais!
16:33<qq->!r8169
16:33<dpkg>[r8169] the RealTek RTL-8169 Gigabit Ethernet driver, included in the mainline Linux kernel. For controller specific information, ask me about <rtl8101e>, <rtl8168d>. linux-2.6 2.6.26-21 corrects several bugs relating to r8169, ask me about <5.0.4>.
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16:36<keito>still not all that clear... it _is_ part of the mainline kernel... thus I don't need to install any extra packages... So why am I receiving these errors?
16:37<cthuluh>well
16:37<cthuluh>does your ethernet work?
16:37<keito>yeah.. _when_ I start the machine with it plugged in
16:38<keito>is there any way to stop the error message?
16:38<cthuluh>I dunno, maybe download the firmware at realtek's website?
16:39<cthuluh>anyway, I'm pretty sure the problem does not come from the missing firmware
16:39<keito>cthuluh, ok, well thanks for the heads-up anyhow
16:39<keito>I shall see how I get on
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16:40<keito>this is my second time installing debian, the first install got wiped after a week.. this time I'm determined to stick with it... I'm getting there!
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16:41<cthuluh>how is your ethernet configured?
16:41<keito>DHCP
16:41<keito>I have wifi working too though
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16:41<cthuluh> /etc/network/interfaces or network-manager ?
16:41<qq->keito, you message it's a warning only ..
16:41<keito>wifi 99% of the time
16:41<keito>qq-, yeah meant to clarify that but thought.. meh
16:41<keito>network-manager
16:42<keito>cthuluh, ^
16:42<qq->keito, youn may ignore it too
16:42<qq-> you*
16:43<cthuluh>keito: but you are sure that your ethernet isn't present in /etc/network/interfaces ?
16:43<keito>I have another issue with the pc speaker beep, it is driving me mad... it beeps on gdm login screen, shtudown, everytime I hit delete in an empty terminal.. I blacklisted it but still no luck
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16:44<keito>cthuluh, it is there
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16:45<cthuluh>comment the entries that concern your ethernet nic
16:45<cthuluh>not the lines that concern _lo_
16:45<keito>cthuluh, ok
16:45<node357>hi, i accidentally tried to install pidgin instead of pidgin-gfire from the author's package and now it's stuck in the package system, is there any way to get rid of it? E: pidgin-ppa: subprocess post-removal script returned error exit status 2
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16:46<keito>ok, gotta go.. I'll have to call back again at some point to try and fix my constant beeping!
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16:51<node357>hello?
16:51<cthuluh>hello!
16:51<node357>summer fun cthulu
16:51<node357>:)
16:51<cthuluh>is it summer?
16:52<node357>I'm not even sure, but you should google "summer fun cthulu"
16:53<cthuluh>mwa ha ha
16:54<node357>hehe
16:55<node357>now i guess i have to re-install the whole system
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16:57<node357>i wish i could get help when stuff like this happens, but i never get any help
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16:58<qq->!postrm
16:58<dpkg>[postrm] /var/lib/dpkg/info/<package name>.postrm and this is where most of the package problems appear. Edit the script and comment out offending lines or just NULL the file.
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17:09<inkbottle>k3b depends on cdparanoia to rip audio cd; others depend on cdda2wav. What does sound-juicer depend on to do the ripping task?
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17:13<Vakio>inkbottle: Wikipedia says "Sound Juicer is an application Front-End to the Cdparanoia CD ripping library."
17:13<inkbottle>Interesting...
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17:17<inkbottle>Vakio: ok, gvfs-backends depends on something-paranoia-lib
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17:18<inkbottle>cdparanoia itself doesn't depend on this lib
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17:20<inkbottle>I have a problem that sometimes solves itself, with reading audio-cd... (with gnome, so) Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.
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17:24<Prins>Hi, do you know any radio station software for linux, that I can install to run a 24/7 radio show. It has to have some sort of speaking feature, so that I can talk like a real radio host does :)
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17:29<ryan22>Prins: try ubuntu studio
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17:30<Vakio>Prins: how about icecast?
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17:30<Prins>hmm.. never heard of it, I'll take a quick look at it
17:31<Vakio>Prins: and I've never tried it, so you'll soon be a lot wiser than me.
17:31<ryan22>inkbottle: make sure the drive is mounted
17:31<Prins>Vakio: haha okay, well. I've give it a look :) - Thanks
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17:32<ryan22>Prins: i shouldn't be suggesting other distros to you in here, but ubuntu studio has stuff like ardour and jack setup out of the box
17:32<ryan22>so it might be useful
17:33<Prins>Awesome, I'll give it a look aswell ^^
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17:41<inkbottle>ryan22: ok, but i've read that an audio-cd can't be mounted... If i would have to do 'mount -t vfstype'; what file system type sould i choose for an audio cd? (Is there something like a file system for an audio cd?)
17:42<twiggz>an audio cd shouldnt need to be mounted...
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17:43<inkbottle>twiggz, at present time, sometimes the cd (audio) is read without problem; sometimes, it just make an ugly nose for some times until it says that there is no cd.
17:44<twiggz>sounds like bad medio or a bad optical drive.
17:44<twiggz>media*
17:44<twiggz>i had a box that would play dvds perfectly, but its cd features were completely screwed up not long ago..
17:45<twiggz>replaced the dvd writer and all was well.
17:46<inkbottle>i've just installed dolphin to see if there is any difference. what would be the way to access audio-cd / cdrom with it?
17:46<twiggz>i dont use kde. I wouldnt know.
17:46<twiggz>sorry :/
17:47<inkbottle>never mind
17:47<twiggz>It should show up as some icon or something somewhere you could click on...
17:47*twiggz shrugs
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17:49<twiggz>i doubt its a software problem, inkbottle.
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17:50<inkbottle>ok
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17:50<twiggz>unless this cd plays well on a normal cd player or a pc with a different OS on it or even your tvs dvd player..
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17:51<Biaise>hello
17:52<Biaise>can I find some help about Debian install' here ?
17:52<twiggz>sure.
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17:52<Biaise>ok, thx :)
17:53<inkbottle>twiggz: the cd is new and it plays well on another computer, not of mine, with an os the name should not be pronounced; but about the cdrom/cvd reader, of course it's a possibility, though it haven't been used much
17:53<Biaise>I was about to set a dual boot "lucidlynx - debian"
17:53<Biaise>my "/home" is with "ext4"
17:54<Biaise>and I not sure than Debian can work with "ext 4"
17:54<Biaise>i'm not*
17:54<twiggz>inkbottle, i would think its a problem with the dvd drive or whatever optical drive you have in that pc.
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17:54<twiggz>Biaise: debian squeeze works well with ext4.
17:54<twiggz>Not tried it on lenny.
17:54<twiggz>/dev/sda1 on / type ext4 (rw,errors=remount-ro)
17:54<twiggz>tmpfs on /lib/init/rw type tmpfs (rw,nosuid,mode=0755)
17:54<twiggz>proc on /proc type proc (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev)
17:54<twiggz>sysfs on /sys type sysfs (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev)
17:54<twiggz>udev on /dev type tmpfs (rw,mode=0755)
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17:54<twiggz>ooops
17:55<twiggz>didnt realize that would be so large.
17:55<twiggz>:/
17:55<Biaise>okey, thx, it was a sort of conflict about this detail with my Ubuntu-mates ^^
17:55<twiggz>I use ext4 on squeeze.
17:55<Biaise>Thank you, I'l try it ! :)
17:55<inkbottle>twiggz, it will be that because i've tried all others possibilities :-) [problem closed]
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17:56<twiggz>I reckon it could also be a flakey daisy chain ...
17:56<twiggz>or sata cable or whatever...
17:58<twiggz>dvdwriters are relatively cheap, as are cables...id replace the dvdwriter first and hope for the best...unless you have some spare cables laying around that you could try out before replacing the drive..
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18:00<twiggz>if niether of those work...im sorry to say that your mobo is likely screwed up.
18:01<ryan22>twiggz: hmm ya i didn't realize that. i don't ever play cds :p
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18:01<inkbottle>twiggz, I think just as you, and however this computer needs a global replacement :)
18:02<inkbottle>twiggz, just because it's funny: the on/off button doesn' work anymore :-)
18:02<twiggz>inkbottle: if you have the time..you have another pc there....try using the cables out of it in the pc in question...if that doesnt work...switch the optical drive out....and if neither of those work ..its your motherboard..
18:02<twiggz>:/
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18:11<bobbillon>hi !
18:11<bobbillon>anybody knows how i can configure policykit on squeeze ? i just want to be able to mount/write/unmount on usb driver ( i installed hal + halevt )
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18:16<twiggz>bobbillon: ivman works for me.
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18:16<twiggz>well, ivan+thunar
18:16<twiggz>er ivman*
18:17<Biaise>Thank you at new, sorry for my grammar (so french...) and see you ! :)
18:17<bobbillon>so i should use ivman instead of hal ? halevt ?
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18:17<bobbillon>since 2 days i try to understand how that really works but i didn't get it
18:17<bobbillon>and i think i read on a page that halevt will replace ivman ?
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18:18<twiggz>if it will, good for them...ivman still works for me...
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18:20<twiggz>i just use thunar with all the plugins and ffmpegthumnailer and ivman in an openbox wm on squeeze..works fine for me...things automount, i can read, write, mount and unmount...
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18:21<bobbillon>twiggz, ok i will look at it !
18:21<bobbillon>thanks :)
18:21<twiggz>np
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18:29<bobbillon>twiggz, do you have hal installed ? or ivman replace hal ?
18:30<twiggz>hal is installed yeah
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18:33<bobbillon>ok thanks :)
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18:36<jason_>i was wondering if it was possible to change mouse behaviour in debian , I have a five button mouse and i want to use button 4 as extra conrol key.
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18:41<sad>Hi
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18:43<sad>hmm
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18:49<cesurasean1>Why am I getting this error when upgrading on squeeze? Starting VirtualBox kernel modulesNo suitable module for running kernel found ... failed!
18:49<cesurasean1> failed!
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19:44<Aleric>Does anyone know how I can convert a wav of 48000 Hz to 44100 Hz?
19:47<dkr>Aleric: use sox
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19:58<Aleric>sox --norm 1900.pcm 1900.wav channels 1 rate -v -b 90 44.1k
19:58<Aleric>Thanks :)
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20:08<trroulouloiu>hi is it possible to use the new plymouth with the nvidia closed source driver ?
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22:26<edbian>When will squeeze become stable? How long does it usually take between releases?
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22:27<jpinx-eeepc>edbian: when it's ready ;)
22:27<abrotman>!wwsr
22:27<dpkg>Squeeze will release <WIR>, <SIYH>. No release schedule is done yet. Ask me about <squeeze bet>. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2010/05/msg00000.html
22:27<edbian>!squeeze bet
22:27<dpkg>To add a bet to the squeeze pool, /msg dpkg squeeze pool 1 =~ s/!/! <nick>=yyyy-mm-dd/ and when squeeze pool 1 is filled, create squeeze pool 2 and update this factoid.
22:28<edbian>jpinx-eeepc, How long typically between releases?
22:28<jpinx-eeepc>!squeeze
22:28<dpkg>Squeeze is the codename for the next release, Debian GNU/Linux 6.0. It is the three-eyed space alien. Check http://www.debian.org/News/ for current status and ask me about <testing>. Not to be confused with the <Xfce> archive manager. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSqueeze . See also <squeeze kernel>.
22:28<jpinx-eeepc>!release history
22:29<dpkg>Debian releases have always been named after characters from the movie "Toy Story". Buzz(1.1; 1996-03-14), Rex(1.2; 1996-10-28), Bo(1.3; 1997-05-01), Hamm(2.0; 1998-07-24), Slink(2.1; 1999-03-09), Potato(2.2; 2000-08-15), Woody(3.0; 2002-07-19), Sarge(3.1; 2005-06-06), Etch(4.0; 2007-04-08), Lenny(5.0; 2009-02-14). The next release will be Squeeze. See also http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-ftparchives.html.
22:29<abrotman>edbian: there isn't a typical time
22:30<jpinx-eeepc>edbian: fwiw I heard they are going for a freeze on squeeze as soon as the bug numbers are down to manageable proportions
22:30<edbian>i see
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22:31<edbian>Question: They take so long between release. When a new release is made do they put in all of the software as is that day? Or do they have the most recent stable version in there?
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22:32<jpinx-eeepc>edbian: a release is only done when it is stable - not when it has all the latest stuff in it
22:32<jpinx-eeepc>edbian: if you want sns, try stable + backports
22:32<jpinx-eeepc>!sns
22:32<dpkg>Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>.
22:32<edbian>jpinx-eeepc, That does't make sense to me. It's not like the developers don't add new features to their software because of Debian.
22:32<abrotman>!tell edbian about meaning of stable
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22:33<jpinx-eeepc>edbian: it might not make sense to you - but remember that a lot of people use debian in production environments where stablitiy is imperative
22:33<edbian>I realize that I might be jealous of arch and their brand new software. I'm also aware of Debian's stability. This goes beyond that. I don't understand how they freeze the features for thousands of packages that are maintained by even thousands more develops
22:33<jpinx-eeepc>edbian: annd sns is not important at all ;)
22:34<edbian>s/develops/developers
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22:34<icebrain>edbian: they take a stable release of the upstream software and freeze that - they don't have to release the latest git commit with Stable
22:35<icebrain>in case of bug fixes, the package mantainers cherry-pick the patches and leave the new features for the next release
22:35<edbian>icebrain, So who does the bug fixes on that future stable release? Somebody besides the package maintainer?
22:35<edbian>ah
22:35<edbian>thankx
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22:57<rijo>hi @ll
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22:58<rijo>just did a dist-upgrade (squeeze) and upgraded xorg
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22:58<rijo>now nvidia driver doesn't work
22:59<rijo>i re-installed nvidia after the upgrade, of course...
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22:59<rijo>is there an issue with the new xorg and nvidia?
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23:06<rijo>Bueller?... Bueller?....
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23:07<allan`>hello good morning
23:08<allan`>how to know the gmail mail ip? i tried nslookup gmail.com
23:08<allan`>but my email wont work.
23:10<icebrain>allan`: what do you mean? Are you trying to use gmail through a mail client?
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23:11<allan`>icebrain : i disable 443 port.and i want to add gmail.gmail uses 443 so ill enable just gmail email only.i got the gmail nslookup ip 64.233.189.83
23:11<allan`>but still i cant open gmail.com
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23:12<allan`>Source : gmail nslookup ip 64.233.189.83 and 64.233.181.104 , Protocol: TCP , Port: 443 , Destination : LAN address
23:13<icebrain>gmail.com has multiple address for the same domain
23:14<icebrain>*addresses
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23:14<icebrain>also, it redirects to mail.google.com, afaik
23:14<jpinx-eeepc>allan`: you are wasting your time
23:15<jpinx-eeepc>allan`: gmail is a moving target - do you really think they only have one IP ?
23:16<allan`>jpinx-eeepc : what do you suggest? im trying to disable https.so i could block https sites and just add exceptions to users :(
23:17<icebrain>disabling https seems Bad Practice™ to me
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23:18<icebrain>anyway, that can probably be done with a proxy server, but I wouldn't know how
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23:19<allan`>squid does not block https. done with squid
23:19<jpinx-eeepc>allan`: https is there for good reason - it is serving emails
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23:19<allan`>yeah.i just need gmail.com to be open.execept other https sites
23:19<jpinx-eeepc>allan`: If you are trying to hack into gmail - go somewhere else for advice
23:20-!-mode/#debian [+l 383] by debhelper
23:20<icebrain>jpinx-eeepc: no, I think he wants to block everything *except* gmail
23:20<allan`>correct icebrain.my english grammar was so dump
23:20<allan`>thats the goal.block everythiing except gmail
23:20<jpinx-eeepc>icebrain: I read it differently - see above
23:21<icebrain>jpinx-eeepc: sorry, it's what I read. anyway, I can't help, don't know how to configure any proxy
23:21<jpinx-eeepc>allan`: what do you mean "block everything" ? Just don't open the urls you don't want
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23:22<jpinx-eeepc>icebrain: language difficulties too :)
23:22<icebrain>jpinx-eeepc: I assume he's managing a router or other kind of gateway for other people's PC
23:22<icebrain>*PCs
23:23<allan`>jpinx-eeepc : i want to block facebook,multiply,youtube,friendster. this is really the main requirements or to do. i can block http facebook,friendster,youtube,multiply using squid. but i cannot block their https :( so what i did i disable the 443
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23:23<allan`>now im totally lost and need to nslookup gmail email address and open gmail only and no other websites except google and yahoo. the rest are block
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23:24<allan`>the rest are block -- meaning https/http facebook,friendster,multiply,youtube
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23:25<allan`>i added 3 4 ips of gmail already.but still not working
23:25<jpinx-eeepc>allan`: you would have to get the complete loist of IP's that gmail uses and except them
23:25<jpinx-eeepc>*list
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23:26<allan`>how to get them jpinx-eeepc? i already get them (3 ips) using nslookup and netstat)
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23:26<icebrain>write a script to run nslookup in a loop and log them XD
23:27<jpinx-eeepc>allan`: I am sure gmail will not be too keen to hand out a list of their IP's ;)
23:28<icebrain>allan`: also, gmail.com is useless: it redirects to mail.google.com
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23:28<icebrain>try doing "nslookup mail.google.com" and then allowing those IPs
23:29<allan`>ok will do
23:29<dr|z3d>You might find some lists here to help: http://blocklist.org
23:29<jpinx-eeepc>allan`: there is no guarantee that you will catch all the IPś by using multiple attempts of nslookup
23:30<dr|z3d>Erm, http://iblocklist.com/ sorry.
23:30<dr|z3d>Nope.. maybe not.. I thought there might be a google specific list.
23:33<allan`>done adding 4 ips still no luck
23:34<jpinx-eeepc>allan`: I would not be surprised if they have over 20 IPs
23:34<allan`>oh ..20 ...whew
23:34<dr|z3d>20? More like 200+
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23:34<jpinx-eeepc>heh
23:34<allan`>waaaaa
23:34<Magestade>tem gatinha ae ??
23:34<allan`>nevermind ill open 443 then
23:34<allan`>hahahaha 200+
23:34<dr|z3d>Remeber, they have colos all over the planet and results are geoip-based.
23:35<allan`>ill try dansguardian then
23:35<jpinx-eeepc>allan`: as I said to start with - I think you are wasting your time
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23:35<Magestade>BRAZILLLLLLLL
23:36<dr|z3d>!br
23:36<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
23:36<Magestade>EI
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