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---Logopened Tue Jun 08 00:00:01 2010
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00:32<ml|>eightyeight: hope that never happens in debian ;)
00:32<eightyeight>ml|: we don't have a "desktop installer", so i don't think there's anything to worry about
00:33<eightyeight>odd they are cutting aptitude over apt, when aptitude is pretty clearly preferred over apt
00:33<eightyeight>whatever. it's their installer. they're targeting the average desktop user, not anyone else, so meh
00:34<ml|>yes, I know see the ;) ; yep to save space, but yeah whatever
00:34<eightyeight>the debian installer is one of the best installers around, as is anaconda from the fedora camp. don't understand why ubuntu can't learn from these efforts
00:35<ml|>it can still be installed tho and thanks for the info, they know better ;)
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00:46<yury>if I have the necessary packages (wireless-tools, firmware, modules) on a separate media, would it be possible to run an install from a business card CD using a wireless connection by dropping into a shell and installing the necessary packages in the installer?
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00:50<EmleyMoor>If I go to a backport of iceweasel, can I go back to the main stable easily?
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00:51<EmleyMoor>(have actually been trying to avoid doing so)
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01:02<EmleyMoor>Can't actually get it to go right now - will try again this evening
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01:26<pythonic>hi, any idea when openvz kernel in squeeze?
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01:29<gsimmons>pythonic: When linux-2.6 2.6.32-15 migrates to testing, refer to the Package Tracking System.
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01:34<pythonic>http://packages.qa.debian.org/l/linux-2.6.html
01:34<pythonic>gsimmons: so, the "testing migration" section?
01:35<gsimmons>pythonic: That's right.
01:35<pythonic>so, in three days it'll migrate? or are the issues with hppa, etc. blockers there?
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01:37<pythonic>oh, and what does "not considered" mean?
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01:45<gsimmons>pythonic: The hppa issue is resolved IIRC, barring any showstoppers it should migrate. The package isn't considered as it hasn't fulfilled requirements described at http://www.debian.org/devel/testing
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02:03<pythonic>ok, seems it's only "It must have been in unstable for 10, 5 or 2 days, depending on the urgency of the upload" to satisfy
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02:03<SuperMiguel>!Tell SuperMiguel java
02:04<jm_>!tell SuperMiguel -about selftell
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02:07<SuperMiguel>im trying to get java to work, i installed openjdk-6-jre and no go, i installed icedtea6-plugin and it worked for a day and now it doesnt work.. this is for iceweasel
02:09<jm_>did you updte java alternatives? tried sun jre?
02:09<jm_>update*
02:09<SuperMiguel>no...
02:09<SuperMiguel>how do i do that
02:09<jm_>man update-java-alternatives
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02:10<SuperMiguel>should i get read of icedtea6-plugin?
02:10<jm_>you can have several installed at the same time and manage them with alternatives, up to you
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02:25<lateralus>I've got a question about linux clustering:
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02:26<lateralus>is it possible to configure a cluster that could make tasks like compiling a kernel faster?
02:26<lateralus>or other tasks like running xorg faster?
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02:28<jm_>lateralus: there are tools like distributed gcc
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02:29<jm_>distcc
02:29<jm_>etc.
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02:55<pavi>I am downloading deian net install . Instead of booting from a CD can I boot directly from ISO using grub2 ?
02:56*pavi hates burning cds
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02:59<jm_>pavi: in theory you can with grub2's loop module
03:00<jm_>you can also use hd install method if you don't want to burn CD-s, or put it on an USB disk
03:01<pavi>jm_: this is OT I did that with fedora once and it started booting and stopped in middle ( at fedora channel I was said its unsupported)
03:02<pavi>jm_: whts HD install method ?
03:02<jm_>pavi: right, it also needs support in the installer to be able to mount ISO on a disk, but I thought RH installer has that for years
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03:02<jm_>pavi: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s04.html.en
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03:08<na5uta-work>!iceweasel
03:08<dpkg>Iceweasel is a DFSG-free fork of Firefox, which replaces it in Debian as of Etch. It is not GNU's Firefox fork (now known as <IceCat>). Ask me about <why iceweasel> and <iceweasel user-agent>. Use gnome-default-applications-properties to change settings such as the mail reader. http://wiki.debian.org/Iceweasel
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03:11<jm_>have there been any updates on firefox branding story? there was something a few months ago, but nothing followed it
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03:12<EmleyMoor>The only thing I've heard is that the UA string in newer versions of iceweasel includes a like" clause that helps to defeat idiotic UA checking on some web sites
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03:15<student>how ru
03:15<student>hi
03:15<student>hi
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03:16<jm_>I am referring to this item: http://glandium.org/blog/?p=933 - one of the comments says this is not enough
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04:37<luis_>Hola
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04:38<luis_>#ubuntu-es
04:38<jpinx-eeepc>indeed
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04:53<_BS_>Have downloaded a vm appliance running lenny.' ~# aptitude search aptitude' gets me 'aptitude: symbol lookup error: aptitude: undefined symbol: sqlite3_db_mutex' Help, please.
04:55<jm_>aptitude is using sqlite3?
04:56<_BS_>It was rather surprising to me too!
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04:57<jm_>you can rely on ld.so to provide you with debug info where this is coming from
04:58<_BS_>Googling, it seemed to me, revealed only about 3 hits deep within sqlite dev. e.g. sqlite3_db_mutex, plus one or more of symbol lookup error undefined - which, yeah, does seem almost like something you'd only encounter when building it. But hey, even I couldn't come up with this error message off the top of my head. (Don't even remember what the heck a mutex is, anyways!)
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04:59<jm_>LD_DEBUG=all LD_DEBUG_OUTPUT=/tmp/crap.txt aptitude search aptitude
04:59<jm_>see that file - it should contain enough clues
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05:00<_BS_>jm_: Will try. In meantime ... what's the apt-get to see what's installed that depends upon a package. e.g., in this case, sqlite3.
05:01<jm_>_BS_: I use grep-status for such tasks
05:01<jm_>grep-status -FDepends -sPackage,Status libsqlite3-0
05:02<jm_>it will also show uninstalled packages, you can add more patterns to omit those
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05:04<_BS_>jm_: grep-status. Well, there's a new one. no such command / apt-get install not found. <sigh>
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05:06<jm_>_BS_: do you know how to find out which package provides given file?
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05:07<jm_>!apt-file
05:07<dpkg>from memory, apt-file is a utility used to find which package owns a given file or list files in a package even if it's not installed: "aptitude install apt-file && apt-file update" ; then "apt-file search filename" to see a list of packages containing filename (can also use a regexp; see man apt-file). You can also search online; ask me about <pdo> <auto-apt> <dlocate>
05:07<jm_>in this case it would return that package name is dctrl-tools
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05:08<jm_>or aptitude show '~Dlibsqlite3-0 ~i'
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05:11<jm_>but these are only direct dependencies, sometimes it goes via another package
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05:14<Kebianizao|work>Hi
05:14<_BS_>dpkg: um, if aptitude install apt-file worked ... I wouldn't be here. (-:
05:14<dpkg>_BS_: You are person #2 to send an unparseable request
05:14<Kebianizao|work>Any idea why that 810-pinned packaged is not upgraded accordingly http://paste.debian.net/76594/ ?
05:15<_BS_>dpkg: Huh?
05:15<dpkg>parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, _BS_
05:16<_BS_>jm_: Well ... aptitude took rather more time to run, but strangely, no crap.txt in /tmp. What might I be misunderstanding?
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05:18<jm_>_BS_: crap.txt*
05:19<_BS_>jm_: grep-status likely in contrib? No crap anything in /tmp at this point. Unless you mean in LC_DEBUG_OUTPUT
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05:20<jm_>_BS_: grep-dctrl is in main
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05:20<jm_>_BS_: what exactly did you run?
05:20<_BS_>LD_DEBUG=all
05:20<_BS_>LD_DEBUG_OUTPUT=/tmp/crap.txt
05:20<_BS_>aptitude search aptitude
05:20<jm_>no all on the same line!
05:22<_BS_>jm_: Oops. Have file. Didn't know you could do that, would have expected to need ';' between them. Hmmm. Interesting.
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05:24<_BS_>jm_: file=libsqlite3.so.0 [0]; needed by aptitude [0] (apt-get install libsqlite3 no go - off to try apt-file.)
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05:26<jm_>_BS_: what does ldd /usr/bin/aptitude say?
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05:28<_BS_>jm_: And apt-get install apt-file puts me back into this darned loop of wanting to update the entire world, kde_desktop and on and on. <sigh> And: apt-get --no-upgrade --no-install-recommends install apt-file doesn't thin it down noticeably.
05:28<themill>sounds like an impressively broken vm
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05:31<][oper][>buenos dias
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05:31<Kebianizao|work>!es
05:31<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat
05:32<jm_>_BS_: aptitude in lenny definitely doesn't load libsqlite3 here
05:32<jm_>so verify what ldd says
05:33<][oper][>dpkg, ablas mi idioma
05:33<dpkg>i haven't a clue, ][oper][
05:33<][oper][>anda
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05:33<macus>ciao
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05:34<felixs>_BS_: try using dpkg to install packages, if apt-get has dependency problems
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05:35<_BS_>jm_: I think more likely minimal / single-purposed, but yes, irritating. http://pastebin.com/4N5BR00V
05:36*Kebianizao|work wonders what that guy did, in addition to what could be seen here
05:36<Kebianizao|work>s/guy/banned guy/
05:36<jm_>_BS_: this isn't lenny
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05:36<Jarlaxe>hello everybody. (I ask on different channels) I run a squeeze/lxde/openbox on a eeepc. I reinstalled lately the system. I have a couple of bugs displaying. I wonder if they are realted to this one: the tty7, supposed to receive x "reject" it to a 'non set' tty8. I used to change the conf of the /etc/inittab to add the other tty (until 12), until now i had no pb. but i replace the config by default but the but persist.
05:36<Jarlaxe>Other bug is with smplayer which refuse to launch a video from pcmanfm, but by CLI it does. Then pcmanfm bugs if its in 'detailed list mode' where i can not select a file/dir excecpt if i switch to another view mode. I reinstalled / purge pcmanfm, lxde, openbox, smplayer, mplayer, reinitialised the /etc/inittab. but still bugs. Any idea with that ?
05:39<jm_>_BS_: /usr/lib/libapt-pkg-libc6.9-6.so.4.8 smells like testing/unstable
05:39<_BS_>jm_: OK, now I'm getting more and more confused. sid? Hold on.
05:39<mjt>hm. Never heard of smplayer before, but i wonder why it's Smplayer and not Kmplayer or Qmplayer :)
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05:41<_BS_>jm_: etch cd install -> lenny / sid ... huh? http://pastebin.com/E8zxXrRv
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05:43<jm_>_BS_: hence your issues with apt-get I suppose
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05:44<lasha>Hello. I am using debian for the first time (lenny, amd64, xfce4) and cant get my external hard drive to mount.
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05:44<_BS_>jm_: Well ... the theory was a quick download to check the beastie out. That was rather some hours ago - granted, most of that was getting vmplayer stable / new vmtools in. And, my lack of competence, of course.
05:44<kefas>some one please help!
05:44<lasha>read the wiki, installed automount, pulling my hair out
05:44<_BS_>lasha: How connected - USB?
05:45<lasha>connected via usb
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05:45<lasha>mount -t vfat /dev/sda /media/usb
05:45<lasha>no dice..
05:45<jm_>_BS_: why not simply grab netinst ISO and install it yourself in VM? it takes 5 minutes
05:45<lasha>its ext3 actually
05:45<lasha>mount -t ext3 /dev/sda /media/usb
05:46<_BS_>kefas: Help with what?
05:46<jm_>/dev/sda? so it's not partitioned?
05:47<_BS_>lasha: /dev/sda? How ... if you type 'mount' now, where does it show '/' as being on.
05:47<lasha>sde...not partioned.
05:48<_BS_>kefas: Can you put the dvd in another machine for a moment, will it read it? If you boot with it can you run the self-check. [Debian have a self-check menu item these days?]
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05:49<_BS_>jm_: Well ... I assumed the vm was set up with all the air* / kismet / etc., etc. environment. Seemed like an appliance, and a not bad thing to have in the kit bag.
05:49<lasha>http://debian.pastebin.com/JiFT7Be5
05:50<lasha>for mount output
05:52<_BS_>kefas: And ... on the machine you're trying to install ... can it read a DVD now? If blank hard drive, do you have a Debian Live or other DVD around you could boot with just to verify thall is sane, hard ware wise.
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05:55<_BS_>kefas: Have you ever been able to boot anything from USB, to know that booting from USB works? How old is the laptop?
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05:56<lasha>4 year old desktop. have never used this machine before--dumpster score
05:57<_BS_>lasha: If you were waiting ... sorry, I think you're beyond me to be able to help. Except ... if you've chosen xfce, you have some experience. Debian should be no different than anything else, e.g. buntus. BUT - buntus come a little more 'hardware aware' than debian, out of the box, IIRC.
05:58<_BS_>lasha: Do you the external drive to work on anything?
05:58<Kebianizao|work>byw
05:58<Kebianizao|work>bye
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05:58<lasha>Thanks _BS_; drive works. confirmed.
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06:00<_BS_>kefas: OK, so we know your DVD is good. And my guess is, from what you've said, you know the desktop can read DVDs, just not boot. When you boot the desktop, there's usually a menu option to choose your boot device. When you choose it, does it skip right over it to windows? If you can, change BIOS to only boot from DVD, no hd. That should really stop it in it's tracks. Note - this is just...
06:00<_BS_>...the boot options. When you're done, put the hard drive boot option back in, and no harm done.
06:01<jm_>alternatively there's SBM
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06:03<_BS_>kefas: Please stay public. So desktop boots usb - then it will definitely boot a disc. Is disc currently IDE / SATA / USB / something else?
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06:07<_BS_>jm_: SBM‎ - Sirona Biochem Corp. (CVE), Single Buoy Moorings, Society of Behavioral Medicine - SBM, ??? (-:
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06:10<jm_>!sbm
06:10<dpkg>i guess sbm is Smart Boot Manager, with documentation on the Debian CD: /install/README.sbm. Uses a floppy to boot a CD or HDD and other options, if your computer can't.
06:12<_BS_>I dunno ... I kinda like Society of Behavioral Medician, in a debian chat, after all.
06:13<_BS_>Guess Take to <whatever> and call me in the morning doesn't work for an irc support line?
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06:25<_BS_>jm_: I'm thinking, given how tired I am, either to build the vm from ground up, some other day, or just update this vm to the point where I'm on a true testing level, and hope the sqlite3 issue goes away in the process. But it seems strange to me that aptitude, which is to say a super-apt-get (which works fine), would ever get near sqlite3, without the original vm creator doing something a...
06:25<_BS_>...bit ... unusual.
06:26<kefas>BS? can you hear me?
06:27<jm_>_BS_: well it does depend on libsqlite3 in testing, and yes, I think making sure you're up-to-date will make it all work
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06:30<starrk> /quit
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06:30<_BS_>jm_: Ok, thanks kindly for your thoughts on this. Just seems when problems get weirder and continual ... something more basic needs to be addressed first. And sometimes it's harder to step back rather than continuing to try to beat the *&%^&^%*%$*&%^ into the ground, since it will JUST WORK IF I JUST DO THIS AND TRY THAT AND AAARRRGGGHHH!!!!
06:32<jm_>_BS_: :)
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06:33<Kebianizao|work>Hi (again)
06:34<Kebianizao|work>in case anyone had the chance to read my previous question, looks the issue is: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=557580
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06:45<themill>Kebianizao|work: ouch. Good find.
06:45<Kebianizao|work>heh, I came across it when I somehow tried the same on apt-get
06:45<Kebianizao|work>ugly problem with my beloved aptitude though :S
06:46<_BS_>kefas: Sorry, had to /ignore you - you wouldn't stay in public where others can help you too, and in between moments when I can get back to you. You really need to stay public.
06:46<themill>Kebianizao|work: preferences.d is new enough that not many have started using it to really hit against it.
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06:47<Kebianizao|work>right, actually bugs related to it are harly older than 6months
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06:47<rah>how do I tell apt not to upgrade to packages with versions higher than a particular version number, using the preferences file?
06:47<rah>*can* I do that?
06:48<cthuluh>yes
06:49<cthuluh>Kebianizao|work: doest it work if you use a file named like "05-pinning"?
06:49<Kebianizao|work>cthuluh: where?
06:49<cthuluh>in /etc/apt/preferences.d/
06:50<Kebianizao|work>nope, that's the bug, aptitude won't process files in that dir, just 'preferences'
06:51<cthuluh>ok, but did you try with files named like XX-foobar, where XX is a number?
06:51<Kebianizao|work>ah, not really but I'll do it right now
06:51<Kebianizao|work>why do you think that will make any difference?
06:51<cthuluh>dunno, conventions, maybe :)
06:52<Kebianizao|work>cthuluh: well, it doesn't work :)
06:52<_BS_>Time for me to go. Thank you all for being here, especially *jm_*. Good night, er, morning.
06:52<Kebianizao|work>I had scarce hope on the test though
06:52<themill>cthuluh: yes, apt-get is picky about the filenames there, no aptitude doesn't touch them in any case... see the bug Kebianizao|work referred to earlier.
06:52<cthuluh>too bad
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06:54<kefas>Sorry, I didn't know what staying in public means and I thought you were talking to me in particular...
06:54<rah>apt's preferences file appears to be not working
06:54<rah>http://paste.debian.net/76599/
06:54<themill>rah: that's not going to do what you want. /msg dpkg pinning
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06:55<themill>rah: basically, the pinning syntax doesn't allow you to do that at all. You can use aptitudes forbid-version to skip one particular version of the package or put the package on hold to keep it at the current version, /msg dpkg hold.
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06:58<rah>themill: /msg dpkg hold
06:58<rah>d'oh
06:58<rah>themill: /msg dpkg hold
06:59<themill>3rd time lucky?
06:59<Kebianizao|work>:)
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07:00<rah>laptop keyboard
07:00<rah>themill: the man page seems to imply that that the pinning syntax does allow you to do that
07:01<themill>oh.. hmmm /me checks
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07:02<rah> · The most recent available version of the perl package will be
07:02<rah> installed, so long as that version's version number begins with
07:02<rah> "5.8".
07:03<Kebianizao|work>rah: I suspect there's some other pinning making the upgrade pulls you the higher version
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07:03<Kebianizao|work>like 1001 for sid or the like
07:03<rah>sid is pinned to 600 or so
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07:04<rah>Kebianizao|work: http://pkl.net/~node/misc/preferences
07:04<rah>there's the whole file
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07:05<rah>unstable is pinned to 800
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07:05<Kebianizao|work>ok, Candidate: 2.1-1 so what's wrong?
07:06<themill>rah: hang on.. I can't see anything wrong with the output of apt-cache there.
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07:07<rah>2.3-2 is reported as having the same priority as 2.1-1
07:07<Kebianizao|work>well, that's not very correct, still candidate is the right onw
07:07<Kebianizao|work>*one
07:07<rah>I just placed a hold on the package
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07:08<themill>rah: btw mixing lenny, lenny-backports, squeeze, sid on the one machine is asking for trouble
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07:09<rah>hmm, I hadn't placed the hold when I pasted that apt-cache output
07:09<Kebianizao|work>themill: don't forget experimental :P
07:09<themill>quite ;(
07:09<rah>themill: trouble I can deal with
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07:10<rah>themill: this machine has been mixed in that way (like all my machines) for a few years and it's still working fine
07:12<rah>anyway, apt-get isn't installing the 2.3-2 version of audacious even though apt-cache reports it as having the same priority as the 2.1-1 version
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07:20<rah>is this a bug in apt-get's installing or apt-cache's reporting?
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07:37<administrator>jion #debian
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07:39<Kebianizao|work>bye
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07:39<administrator>大家好
07:39<jm_>!cn
07:39<dpkg>i heard cn is China, or for help in chinese please join irc.oftc.net #debian-zh, Please use UTF-8, for IRC help see http://tinyurl.com/8yrj9 | Qt/KDE è¿æ¸¡æå¼å§ï¼è¯¦æ请é读
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07:40<administrator>dajiahoa
07:40<administrator>大家
07:40<administrator>好哦阿
07:41<administrator>呵呵
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07:41<administrator>这个咋用,俄不知道
07:41<locklace>administrator: 讲英语或休假
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07:41<jm_>nice little houses on my screen
07:42<administrator>中国人,
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07:43<zobel>administrator: please play elsewhere.
07:43<themill>administrator: /server irc.freenode.net ; /join #ubuntu-cn
07:43<zobel>thx
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08:13<caliche>hola
08:13<caliche>hello
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08:19<fafa>Hello
08:19<fafa>I need some help please
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08:20<fafa>if there's someone
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08:22<jmm>hi fafa.
08:22<jmm>!tell fafa about ask
08:22<fafa>ok :)
08:22<jmm>:)
08:22<fafa>well i'm trying to get debian testing
08:22<fafa>I went into the debian-cd directory and get an ia64 iso
08:23<fafa>but when i check the md5
08:23<pavi>when will debian have KDE4 ?
08:23<fafa>there's much more ia 64 proposed, so i don't know if it's up to date, is it ?
08:24<jmm>I guess it should. which computer do you want to install it ?
08:24<fafa>I mean, in the debian-cd there's only 5 isos, and in the list of checksum there's much more
08:24<fafa>on this one
08:24<fafa>it's for my personnal usage, the server is on debian stable and runs ok
08:25<fafa>I tried to install it by a usb key, through unetbootin
08:25<jmm>umm I mean the kind of computer you try to install onto.
08:25<fafa>but when I boot on it, it says "invalid or corrupt kernel image"
08:25<jmm>if I'm not wrong ia64 is not a common platform.
08:25<jm_>fafa: you almost never want ia64 release
08:26<fafa>it's a quite recent one, CPU is E7200 (Core 2 Duo of Intel)
08:26<jmm>yea no ia64 so.
08:26<fafa>well, so how to get the 64-bit version of Debian then ?
08:26<fafa>i386 ?
08:26<jmm>take amd64 CD.
08:26<jm_>pavi: Debian already has KDE4
08:26<jmm>i386 should works too.
08:27<pavi>jm_, I mean stable
08:27<fafa>amd64's not only for Athlon ?
08:27<jm_>pavi: when squeeze becomes stable
08:27<jmm>fafa: afaik no.
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08:28<pavi>jm_, cool . Hope it also includes Koffice ( which runs on KDE4 rather than KDE3 )
08:28<jm_>fafa: no, it works fine with intel CPU-s too
08:29<fafa>ok so i try it immediatly :) thanks a lot
08:30<jm_>pavi: no idea about that, also try #debian-kde
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08:31<pavi>jm_, ok will do .
08:31*pavi was back to debian from fedora after a long gap
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08:36<cmot>anybody happens to have set up a mediawiki instance and managed to set the envelope sender of email confirmation emails it sends?
08:37<cmot>(#mediawiki on freenode wasn't helpful - I hesitate to do this via mail rewriting in postfix, but this would be the emergency exit.)
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08:50<craigevil>pavi: atm the newer Koffice isnt in testing or sid, its only in experimental, which usualy implies it has issues
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08:56<pavi>craigevil, that means things have been the same :( How is squeeze releasing without koffice ?
08:59<craigevil>pavi: doesnt look like koffice gets much love, the last changelog was on Thu, 14 Jan 2010, i would ask in #debian-kde they might know more
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09:29<grummund>Hi, i'm having a strange problem with dhcpd which has been fine until just now...
09:29<grummund>for some reason client DHCP requests are not succeeding despite seeing in the logs on the dhcpd machine DHCPDISCOVER ..., and DHCPOFFER ...
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09:32<grummund>both clients are affected, one windows and one linux, so it's more like a problem with the server but i'm stumped what it could be
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09:37<eightyeight>grummund: do you have a firewall between the server and the clients?
09:38<grummund>eightyeight: there is an iptables ruleset however nothing changed reently and there are no iptables messages in the log
09:39<grummund>stop firewall
09:39<grummund>oops :P
09:39<peej>restarted dhcpd?
09:39<eightyeight>grummund: no rules in iptables to be blocking port 67?
09:40<peej>hardware: switch reboot? nic cards changed behind your back?
09:41<grummund>eightyeight: shouldn't be, the ruleset file is datestamped 2009
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09:42<peej>another dhcpd running (suspect windows?)
09:43<eightyeight>grummund: then check that you have ips to hand out? poll range long enough?a pastebin of your dhcpd.conf would be helpful
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09:43<grummund>seeing DHCP exchange in the log (DHCPDISCOVER ..., and DHCPOFFER ...) must mean the nic is ok, right?
09:44<eightyeight>grummund: what is the offer?
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09:44<grummund>it's offering the correct IPs to each client (i have static IPs based on MAC)
09:45<grummund>or at least the log says it is
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09:47<grummund>hmm, it's working now... ;-/
09:49<peej>uh oh. black magic.
09:49*grummund power-cycled an ethernet hub (not switch), could that have been it?
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09:49<grummund>both windows and linux clients now have obtained a lease
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09:50<peej>hubs... are they still used for anything?
09:51<peej>the broadcasting in discover-offer part *may* not be something a hub likes, would be my uneducated guess.
09:51<grummund>well, using one here... it works
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09:53<peej>you could mebbe see if it breaks when you add more clients and dhcp from scratch (new lease - make sure old ones are gone).
09:56<grummund>yep. only last week i had a 'guest' laptop running centos which picked up a dynamically allocated IP
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09:58<grummund>hmm, actually there was some lightning nearby not long before it died...
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09:58*grummund blames that and the hub :P
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10:02<Ox90>peej: sure, i use hubs on pen tests
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10:05<vorn>Hey locklace. So which is the best debian image to download? I have a Macbook (2.16GHz Core 2 Duo) and for now I want to run debian in virtualbox
10:05<peej>grummund, you can simulate it by taking one of those electric gas lighter things and clicking sparks into the hub and see if it fails then. It would also be a good way to upgrade to a switch ;-)
10:05<vorn>Should I just grab the i386 full cd image?
10:06<Ox90>grab the netinst disk
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10:06<grummund>peej: haha, yeah but there's less to go kaput in a hub so that plan might not work ;-)
10:07<vorn>Ox90: Cool. Thanks
10:07<Ox90>grummund, plug a cable from port 1 of the hub to port 3
10:07<locklace>vorn: netinstall
10:07<Ox90>when users complain say, "oh it must be this hub..."
10:07<locklace>dpkg: tell vorn about lenny->squeeze
10:08<vorn>locklace: I'm sure lenny will be all I need for now? When I use debian as a more permanent environment I'll look into getting everything up to date and runnning smoothly.
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10:10<locklace>yeah, feel free to stick with stable on the vm
10:10<vorn>Thanks for the help thusfar :)
10:10<vorn>oh, and should i get the i386?
10:11<Ox90>yeah
10:11<vorn>Thanks :)
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10:13<peej>0x90, is pen testing basically sniffing logs, or lots of other stuff too?
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10:14<Ox90>lots of other stuff too, though i mostly deal with networking the team handles the rest
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10:23<andreea>hi
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10:32<SuperMiguel>i have about 600 pictures in a folder, what command can i use for it to show me the name of the files that are bigger than 5MB??
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10:32<jack>ola
10:33<jack>hello
10:34<jack>GUT MONIG
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10:35<jack>OLA
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10:36<jack>killo abla si ay españoles joder
10:36<rmayorga>!es jack
10:36<dpkg>jack: Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat
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10:39<vorn>What's the recommended hard disk size for a debian installation? (virtual machine for mucking about)
10:39<dr|z3d>vorn: 10G is plenty.
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10:40<vorn>10gb is what I have left on my drive ;) heh.. let me remove some music.
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10:41<dr|z3d>You could get by with 5 if you don't install too much.
10:41<vorn>meh.. I'll make it 8 and remove some stuff that I don't need
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10:51<fafa>Hello (again)
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10:52<fafa>I can't install my debian squeze from an usb key ? It looks for a cdrom, and I don't know what to put instead of the /dev/cdrom
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10:52<fafa>I tried /dev/sda (the key), but it does not work
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10:54<fafa>and i only get a busybox, so can't do much things with it
10:54<cthuluh>fafa: instead of putting a raw iso on the usb key, try to unpack it
10:55<jordanm>cthuluh: that is not the "debian way"
10:55<jordanm>!usb install
10:55<dpkg>Yes, it is possible to install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch04s03 . To download USB stick images, ask me about <install debian>. https://launchpad.net/win32-image-writer/+download to prepare from Windows. BIOS can't boot from USB? Use http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager.html
10:55<cthuluh>I don't care
10:55<jordanm>cthuluh: well, it likely will not work
10:55<cthuluh>It worked for me when I cooked a small installer with the mini.iso
10:55<fafa>I used the unetbootin soft who create an usb bootable key from a CD image iso
10:56<fafa>it works fine with ubuntu or fedora
10:56<cthuluh>jordanm: it _did_ work for me, please understand that (it was with the mini.iso)
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10:56<jordanm>cthuluh: waht mini.iso? the buisnesscard cd?
10:56<jordanm>the iso intended for PXE installation?
10:56<cthuluh>the 8 Mbytes cd
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10:57<cthuluh>not the business card
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10:57<jordanm>cthuluh: never seen it. link?
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10:57<cthuluh>one sec
10:58<jordanm>!mini.iso
10:58<dpkg>it has been said that mini.iso is a super small ISO that utilizes the <netboot> images to fetch <d-i> and all components over the network. Only contains a boot loader, kernel and initrd, typcially ~8MB. Start at http://debian.org/distrib/netinst#verysmall and work your way until you find the mini.iso for your architecture.
10:58<jordanm>cthuluh: found it
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10:58<jordanm>yeah, thats intended to be used with PXE
10:59<cthuluh>how so, intented to be used with PXE ?
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10:59<kristianpaul>hello
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10:59<cthuluh>that's an iso that downloads the installer material, no PXE here
11:00<jordanm>cthuluh: I was reading the wrong section. It does however, look like you need to build the ISO?
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11:01<cthuluh>me?
11:01<kristianpaul>there is something like fedora talks or ubuntu openweek in debian?
11:01<cthuluh>no
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11:02<jordanm>I see, the MANIFEST file was confusing. its netbook/mini.iso on the mirror
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11:02<rmayorga>well there is debconf, and debian day kristianpaul
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11:02<jordanm>!debconf
11:02<dpkg>[debconf] Debian's configuration management system for packages, giving a single interface for asking and storing configuration-related settings for packages. http://wiki.debian.org/debconf http://www.fifi.org/doc/debconf-doc/tutorial.html . Not to be confused with the yearly Debian Conference (DebConf): http://wiki.debian.org/DebConf https://www.debconf.org/
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11:03<kristianpaul>rmayorga: i think will ne nice have talks or small meetings in irc and teach people about gnu, bash, debian and mroe :)
11:03<kristianpaul>dont you?
11:03<kristianpaul>also debconf is cool but i requires money
11:04<kristianpaul>at least irc chats required internet and a friki machine
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11:06<rmayorga>kristianpaul: DebConf has video streaming, a lot of people attend using IRC and looking the video streaming.
11:06<kristianpaul>rmayorga: yes of course
11:06<kristianpaul>i dont habe problems with debconf
11:06<kristianpaul>i think should be something else
11:06<kristianpaul>at irc
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11:11<gazal>need help regarding drupal
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11:15<fafa>please, where can I find the vmlinuz, initrd.gz ?
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11:19<fafa>I found thm for lenny but not squeeze
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11:25<amitz>where do you find the lenny version?
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11:26<cthuluh>what are you trying to do? create your own usb image? why don't you just stick with the usbkey.img ?
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11:26<cthuluh>that will be easy and will let you use a netinstall iso, which will let you choose your desktop environment
11:27<fafa>yes
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11:27<fafa>well I found th vmlinuz and th other one on the website in hd-media
11:27<fafa>was a bit hidden on directories and subdirectories
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11:27<fafa>i'm trying to install it right now, it boots so that's a good news
11:28<jordanm>fafa: did you try following the usb installation section of the install guide?
11:29<fafa>yes that's what I did
11:29<fafa>i made the syslinux and copy the files
11:29<fafa>when I boot, it's okay but then, it says "no ISO image found"
11:29<jordanm>you don't copy the files... IIRC you dd the boot.img and then copy the .iso
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11:29<jordanm>you don't unpack the iso at all
11:29<cthuluh>there are two methods, jordanm
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11:30<fafa>okay so I copy the iso and the vmlinuz, initrd.gz
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11:30<cthuluh>try it and see
11:31<fafa>yea I'm just tired in booting and rebooting :)
11:31<cthuluh>come on frenchie
11:31<jordanm>cthuluh: neither of the methods involve unpacking the .iso
11:31<jordanm>!usb install
11:31<dpkg>Yes, it is possible to install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch04s03 . To download USB stick images, ask me about <install debian>. https://launchpad.net/win32-image-writer/+download to prepare from Windows. BIOS can't boot from USB? Use http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager.html
11:31<cthuluh>jordanm: yeah, but yuo read it :)
11:31<cthuluh>(finally)
11:33<cthuluh>jordanm: as I said earlier, it worked for me with the mini.iso ; when I told you "there are two methods", I was talking about the two described in the installation guide ;)
11:33<cthuluh>(the fact that it works with the mini.iso is logical, since there's no CD to mount)
11:34<jordanm>cthuluh: right, the flexible way and the easy way... neither appear to upack the .iso.
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11:35<jordanm>one dd's the boot.img and the other copies/sets up the syslinux files directly, but neither unpack...
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11:35<cthuluh>I f*cking know that, ok ??? :)
11:35<cthuluh>irc is hard, sometimes
11:36<fafa>sorry, can I know what files will be on th key finally ? I have the initrd.gz, the ldlinux.sys, the syslinux.cfg, vmlinuz
11:36<cthuluh>why it failed for fafa is because of the fact he used unetbootin, which is not a good method
11:36<cthuluh>your .iso
11:36<fafa>which one ? the debian-amd64 one right ?
11:37<cthuluh>how could we know? :)
11:37<fafa>It's not a businesscard one, nor a net install one
11:37<cthuluh>well, if you have an amd64 one, try it
11:38<cthuluh>if it fails, then you have your answer
11:38<fafa>you know that's moderately fun to get under the desk, movs SATA and Alim cables at each time
11:38<jordanm>only "the easy method" is limited to the netinst on businesscard. the flexible way should accept a full CD
11:39<fafa>thanks :)
11:39*jordanm thinks somone realyl should port fedora's usb creation tools
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11:40<fafa>okay it's written in the beginning of th page, I didn't see it
11:40<themill>jordanm: make it so!
11:40<fafa>maybe that will be nice to remember it in the both two methods
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11:53<Mystique>hello, is anyone formiliar with the ipfilter build in with debian?
11:54<jpinx-eeepc>!anyone
11:54<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
11:55<Mystique>ooh, handy! anyway. i think im just done setting ip my iptables, i added all the ports i need. but how can i BLOCK the remaining ports?
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11:56<HouseKatZe>g
11:56<fafa_>okay the usb is okay
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11:56<fafa_>but thn, I try to mak my partitions
11:57<fafa_>and it says "Impossible to create a filesystm" (that's my N°3 parition, primary, mounted on /, ext3
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11:57<fafa_>the swap worked correctly
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11:57<fafa_>any idea ?
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12:03<fafa_>I'm trying to create thm by fdisk in the shell
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12:13<fafa_>fdisk seems quite buggy :/
12:14<locklace>cfdisk works pretty well most of the time
12:14<jpinx-eeepc>fafa_: you might want to try cfdisk - it's a little more intuitive
12:14<fafa_>it's not available in the busybox
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12:14<fafa_>of the installer
12:14<fafa_>can I add it in the key ?
12:15<themill>Isn't the squeeze installer broken atm with the e2fsprogs bug?
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12:16<locklace>the squeeze installer is always broken
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12:17<fafa_>so what's th solution ?
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12:18<fafa_>install lenny and upgrade to squeeze ?
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12:18<locklace>yes
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12:20<mazze>I bought a Lenovo W510 with an Nvidia Quadro FX 880M Graphics Card and installed squeeze (daily image). According to http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Category:W510, the up-to-date proprietary nvidia driver should do fine, but I have not luck. It seems that altough I installed the non-free-packages, the xorg-server does not try to use the driver. It uses "nv" or -- when deinstalled -- "vesa".
12:20<fafa_>okay I'll try
12:21<mazze>I get the error "Failed to initialize GLX extension (Compatible NVIDIA X driver not found)", but this could be because of the propr. driver not being loaded. Any hints would be helpful -- I hope :)
12:22<retrospectacus>mazze: did you put "nvidia" in your xorg.conf file?
12:22<locklace>dpkg: tell fafa_ about lenny->squeeze
12:23<mazze>retrospectacus no, I have to admit that I thought, that now xorg comes along quite well without an xorg.conf at all. Do I have to create one?
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12:28<lasha>hi everyone. I'm trying to mount an external usb harddrive but I don't know what the filesystem is. is there a command I can use to detemine this?
12:29<jpinx-eeepc>lasha: what desktop are you using?
12:29<lasha>I am using lenny amd64
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12:30<locklace>lasha: you can try "file -s /dev/foo"
12:30<jpinx-eeepc>lasha: desktop - not debian version
12:31<lasha>compac presario
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12:33<locklace>!tell lasha about private
12:33<locklace>lasha: run it on the partition device, e.g. sde1, not sde
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12:34<edbian>I'm writing a script that will keep a file only during runtime. Where should I put that file? /lib/init/rw ??
12:34<lasha>Awesome. thanks locklace !
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12:35<locklace>edbian: that's what /var/run is for
12:35<edbian>locklace, Thanks
12:35<lasha>Macintosh HFS Extended 4 :( hope it mounts
12:36<edbian>I need to be root to put a file in /var/run. The script does not run as root. Should I create a folder inside /var/run with different permissions or should I add a sudo line to the script?
12:37<lasha>worked! Thanks VERY much. I look forward to becoming part of this community. Hope to give back too some day.
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12:37<retrospectacus>mazze: I believe so.
12:37<lasha>Again, Thanks!
12:37<locklace>edbian: much better to create a dir in /var/run owned or grouped to the user/group the script is running as
12:37<edbian>locklace, Excellent. Thank you!
12:37<locklace>!congratulate lasha
12:37<dpkg>Yay lasha, you did it!
12:37<mazze>retrospectacus Okay, I created the conf-file with the necessary lines and will try again. Thank you!
12:37<lasha>:D
12:38<retrospectacus>should just need a Device section with nvidia Driver
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12:39<retrospectacus>mazze: this is my entire xorg.conf, for nvidia, Compiz and dual-monitors on squeeze: http://paste.debian.net/76635/
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12:40<retrospectacus>I think some of it is not necessary too
12:40<edbian>In my script there is a wget command. How do I hide the things it prints out from the term? wget "someaddress" > /dev/null ??
12:41<retrospectacus>but I do have to run "nvidia-settings" every startup to get the dual-head working... lucky I reboot as infrequently as humanly possible
12:41<edbian>There is a -q "quiet" flag
12:41<locklace>edbian: >/dev/null 2>&1 if you want to hide everything
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12:41<edbian>what does 2>$1 do?
12:41<locklace>edbian: the second part also redirects standard error, which is where diagnostic messages usually get printed to. and yeah, you can also tell it to be quiet directly
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12:41<retrospectacus>edbian: wget -q -O output.html
12:42<retrospectacus>edbian: wget -q -O output.html http://address
12:42<edbian>wget "someaddress">/dev/null isn't working?
12:42<themill>edbian: quiet is preferred over that redirection as you'll still see error messages with -q which will aid you in debugging or knowing that things have failed.
12:42<edbian>themill, I will use the -q flag for that reason but I would still like to know why wget "someaddress">/dev/null isn't working
12:43<themill>the output is going to stderr not stdout
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12:43<mazze>retrospectacus anyway, I'm trying it. Thank you for your hints. :)
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12:43<edbian>themill, Awesome, thank you! :)
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12:44<edbian>You guys are always super helpful
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12:44<locklace>edbian: you may like to review the I/O Redirection section of http://ooblick.com/text/sh/
12:44<cthuluh>why not use /tmp as a temp dir? :)
12:45<edbian>locklace, Above and beyond. Thank you! :D
12:45<cthuluh>edbian: why not use /tmp as a temp dir? :)
12:45<locklace>cthuluh: heresy
12:45<edbian>cthuluh, Is that proper?
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12:45<locklace>edbian: depends what you're actually doing
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12:45<cthuluh>well, what's the problem with /tmp ?
12:46<edbian>I am going to pull a website from the net using wget and then parse through the data. I'm writing a script that will tell me a 5 day forecast
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12:46<edbian>What is the dif between /var/run and /tmp in usage?
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12:46<locklace>edbian: /tmp is a better choice for that
12:47<edbian>locklace, Should I create a folder in their just like I did for /var/run?
12:47<locklace>edbian: /var/run is more proper if you're storing something like a pid file (a file recording the id of the running process)
12:47<cthuluh>edbian: your script does not as root, but it requires to be root to create a dir in /var/run. there's a problem, no? :)
12:47<cthuluh>doesnot run*
12:47<locklace>cthuluh: uh, no
12:47<locklace>edbian: /tmp is already world-writable, so you don't need to do anything special, just write the file to it
12:47<themill>edbian: you should use either mktemp to make a temp file or if you can, just use wget's -O- to store the contents in a variable so you don't have to use a tempfile at all
12:48<edbian>themill, To reduce disk usage?
12:49<fafa_>in lenny, the partitions worked fine, Im now installing softwares
12:49<themill>it's always nicer not to leave lots of old tempfiles around or to write scripts that are vulnerable to attacks such as someone doing "ln /bin/bash /tmp/edbian_weather_tmp" and watching you clobber your system next time you run the script.
12:49<locklace>!congratulate fafa_
12:49<dpkg>Woohoo fafa_, you did it!
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12:50<fafa_>yeah, now I hope the lenny to squeeze upgrade will also work fine :)
12:50<locklace>fafa_: the only real snag is the udev stupidity
12:50<junix>i seem to be having trouble with the broadcom driver for Debian Lenny, all my FTP connections are extremely slow
12:50<cthuluh>fafa_: do you know that there are two #debian-fr chans? ;)
12:50<locklace>junix: how do you know it's the broadcom driver
12:51<edbian>themill, What flag is that? minus uppercase letter Oh ?? I can't seem to find it in the man page.
12:51<junix>locklace: i'm not throttling my bandwidth anywhere
12:51<fafa_>thanks cthuluh, sorry for my approximative english
12:51<locklace>junix: there are all kinds of reasons ftp can be slow
12:51<themill>edbian: yes letter-o. Same as retrospectacus used in his example for you
12:51<junix>locklace: i guess it COULD be the switch port....
12:52<cthuluh>fafa_: mine is approximative too (from Nantes) ;)
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12:52<junix>locklace: but it's definitely a software issue
12:52<fafa_>from Strasbourg ;)
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12:54<edbian>That flag makes it a shell variable? (I still can't find that flag in the man page).
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12:55<cthuluh>edbian: man wget /-O
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12:57<edbian>cthuluh, themill, that flag still puts the contents into a file. I thought you said I should use a shell var? Can I redirect the output of wget into a var?
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12:57<cthuluh>edbian: do you know about stdout?
12:57<edbian>cthuluh, Apparently not enough ;)
12:57<cthuluh>(and process substitution)
12:58<cthuluh>well, #bash on freenode
12:58<themill>edbian: html=$(wget -q -O - http://the.url/)
12:59<edbian>themill, clever
13:01<edbian>How to learn something extremely quickly at the cost of other (much smarter) people's time: irc
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13:09<camel__>I accidentally upgraded my 'unstable' system, and now libc6-dev is broken :( is there an easy way to downgrade it?
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13:10<jpinx-eeepc>!downgrade
13:10<dpkg>[downgrade] Downgrading is not possible with apt-get/aptitude and no future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>.
13:12<jpinx-eeepc>camel__: you *might* be able to unpick it if you use dpkg to lis everything that was installed at the upgrade
13:13<bacher>I've been trying to extract clips from a large avi file using ffmpeg, but I've had the following problems: after using a command like "ffmpeg -i <in> -ss <t1> -t <t2> <out>", ffmpeg returns a few hundred lines of "frame=0 fps=0 q=0.0 size=0kB time=10000000000.0 bitrate= 0.0kbits" before it starts encoding.
13:13<camel__>jpinx-eeepc: i'll try grabbing an older deb and seeing if that helps
13:13<bacher>Additionally, the encoded mpeg clip tends to be really pixelated. It's the same resolution as the source, but there are distinct squares of color throughout the clip.
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13:14<bacher>Anyone know what I could do about either of those problems?
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13:17<cthuluh>bacher: try #ffmpeg on freenode
13:18<bacher>Oh, didn'
13:18<bacher>didn't realize they had their own irc. Thanks
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13:18<MKM>hii
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13:20<MKM>try this http://www.webupd8.org/2010/01/easy-way-to-sync-your-iphone-with.html
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13:30<pavi>I have installed debian from netinstall with fluxbox and epiphany browser .
13:31<pavi>Can I change the theme in epiphany browser ?
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13:35<camel__>hooray, i'm alive again
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13:38<trroulouloiu>hi can anybody help me to configure Network manager , it launchs wpa_supplicant but then i can not use wpa_gui to connect o it
13:39<pavi>trroulouloiu: is it a laptop ?
13:40-!-mode/#debian [+l 437] by debhelper
13:40<trroulouloiu>pavi: yes
13:40<pavi>trroulouloiu: which model ?
13:40<trroulouloiu>dell xps M1530
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13:41<trroulouloiu>if i launched wpa supllicant manually through wpa_supplicant -i wlan2 -Dwext -c /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf -B
13:41<trroulouloiu>i ve no problem
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13:42<trroulouloiu>but with the process started by the networkmanager script i can not access to wpa_suplpcant
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13:44<fafa_>I have no keyboard or mouse ? (since the upgrade from lenny to squeeze ?)
13:44<fafa_>both ar usb, so i tried with th keyboard in ps2 with my adaptator but still...
13:45<pavi>trroulouloiu: there is a page for your laptop on debian wiki http://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Dell/XPSm1530
13:46<trroulouloiu>thanks in fact debian is installed since a while but i was trying ntworkmanager
13:46<fafa_>the keyboard works during the grub, and during the boot, but not with the X apparently
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13:47<pavi>trroulouloiu: all you need to do is ask in case of GNU/Linux :)
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14:03<maaria>Olaa
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14:04<maaria>Olaa
14:05<locklace>!es-social maaria
14:05<dpkg>maaria: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador por favor ingresa al canal social de #debian-es con /join #debian-es-cachondeo. Tus amigos probablemente ya esten ahi.
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14:07<maaria>OLA
14:08<locklace>maaria: habla ingles o salte, perra
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14:09<afurlan>hello
14:09<maaria>±±±±ola
14:10<afurlan>I have an additional disk (external USB disk) that's mounted in my linux box
14:10<maaria>what?
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14:10<afurlan>and I'm doing fsck at boot time
14:11<afurlan>but I'm getting "superblock errrors" on this device
14:11<maaria>kien eres?
14:11<EmleyMoor>afurlan: What's the filesystem?
14:11<maaria>ablame en castellano ¬¬
14:11<EmleyMoor>!es
14:11<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat
14:12<afurlan>EmleyMoor, ext3
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14:12<EmleyMoor>afurlan: Have you tried fixing the errors?
14:12<afurlan>EmleyMoor, yep
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14:12<afurlan>"fsck.ext2: Bad magic number in super-block while trying to open /dev/sdc"
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14:13<afurlan>I can solve the problem disabling the fsck on this device at the boot time via /etc/fstab
14:13<EmleyMoor>Ah - not partitioned?
14:14<afurlan>EmleyMoor, nops, its partitioned and I can mount the partition after the system is up and running
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14:15<EmleyMoor>/dev/sdc1 presumably...
14:15<afurlan>EmleyMoor, exactly
14:15<afurlan>"/dev/sdc1 1 38913 312568641 83 Linux"
14:15<felixs>afurlan: is the usb drive available when mountall.sh tries to mount?
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14:16<felixs>you might want to add some sleep to this script (ugly hack)
14:16<afurlan>felixs, yep, even after the system is running I get this error using the fsck
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14:16<felixs>ic :|
14:17<afurlan>I'll try to recreate the partition table
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14:20*afurlan recreated the partition table and now is recreating the filesystem
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14:23<azeta>hi
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14:43<fafa_>I have no keyboard or mouse, I'm trying to boot on a Ubuntu Live USB so that I can check the xorg.conf
14:43<fafa_>hope it will fix the problem
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14:53<mazze>On my fresh squeeze install, I always get "WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!" when installing, albeit debian-archive-keyring is installed. What can I do to make APT not ask me again?
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14:56<locklace>fafa_: also see http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/InputHotplugGuide
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14:57<Vakio>mazze: have you done "aptitude update" after installing the keyring?
14:57<retrospectacus>mazze: does it give a warning when you do apt-get update?
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15:02<mazze>I did aptitude update now, and the problem seems to be gone ... odd, I was sure, it already worked ... maybe that strange new icon on my gnome-desktop talking about updates all the time ...
15:02<mazze>Thank you!
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15:03<fafa_>thanks locklace but I can't get no tty for instance (nor shell) but i'm trying
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15:04<jai_>hallo - wie kann ich in debian OS im browser thailändische internetseiten mit thailändischer sprache korrekt darstellen ? habe als browser firefox
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15:06<locklace>!tell jai_ about de
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15:07<locklace>fafa_: booting in single-user mode should do it
15:07<fafa_>well I got now a shell with the live cd ubuntu
15:08<fafa_>it's true I didn't try the su mode before...
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15:11<fafa_>I still have no keyboard in single user mode
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15:12<edbian>I can send sms messages through skype. Is there software in the repos that does this too?
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15:13<jai_>does anybody know a german helpchat for debian ?
15:13<bremner>!tell jai_ -about de
15:13<jai_>-about de
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15:14<jai_>?
15:14<bremner>!de jai
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15:14<fafa_>Am i forced to chroot ?
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15:14<bremner>stupid bot/me
15:14<jai_>!de
15:14<dpkg>Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de).
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15:14<jai_>thank you dpkg
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15:19<gimmeamilk>word
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15:23<dr|z3d>!ops please to kick zagorka for unsolicited spam.
15:23<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: dr|z3d complains about: please to kick zagorka for unsolicited spam.
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15:23<gimmeamilk2>hallo everybody!
15:24-!-mode/#debian [+o LoRez] by ChanServ
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15:24<@weasel>dr|z3d: how useless a notice.
15:24-!-mode/#debian [+b *!*@92-247-222-135.spectrumnet.bg] by LoRez
15:24<fafa_>What's the difference btw dash and bash ? Which one is better for command line interpretation ?
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15:24<mentor>It's got a bit of a delay on it
15:24<bremner>fafa_: bash is better for interactive use
15:24-!-zagorka was kicked from #debian by LoRez [zagorka]
15:24<mentor>fafa_: dash is a POSIX shell implementation (minimal)
15:25-!-mode/#debian [-o LoRez] by LoRez
15:25<mentor>fafa_: bash has more features
15:25<dr|z3d>weasel: I quote: <zagorka> http://forum.soundarea.org - Bringing you the newest music around the web ! abboudi Script©
15:25<mentor>fafa_: There are lots of shells available; best is susbjective
15:25<dr|z3d>Evidently not everyone shares your cynicism :)
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15:26<@weasel>dr|z3d: and where did such a spam happen?
15:26<@weasel>dr|z3d: apart from you spamming the channel now, that is
15:26<fafa_>okay thanks
15:26<dr|z3d>via pm, weasel.
15:26<@weasel>dr|z3d: that might have been a useful information to share.
15:26<@weasel>dr|z3d: otoh, banning him here will do nothing.
15:26<dr|z3d>weasel: Don't be daft.
15:26*dr|z3d chuckles.
15:26-!-mode/#debian [+q dr|z3d!*@*] by weasel
15:27*gimmeamilk slaps gimmeamilk2 around a bit with a large trout
15:27<mentor>Er...
15:27<mentor>weasel: What are you doing?
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15:28<mentor>There was an onjoin spammer
15:28<mentor>Lorez kicked it
15:28<mentor>I saw the spam
15:29<mentor>I'm going to go ahead and unban dr|z3d now...
15:29-!-mode/#debian [+o mentor] by ChanServ
15:29-!-mode/#debian [-o mentor] by weasel
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15:29<mentor>Excuse me
15:29<@weasel>yes, excuse you.
15:29-!-mode/#debian [-o weasel] by ChanServ
15:29-!-mode/#debian [+o mentor] by ChanServ
15:29-!-mode/#debian [-o mentor] by weasel
15:29-!-mode/#debian [+o mentor] by ChanServ
15:29<weasel>mentor: banning the on-join spammer did *nothing* to help the issue.
15:30-!-mode/#debian [+me #debian!*@*] by mentor
15:30-!-mode/#debian [-o mentor] by weasel
15:30-!-mode/#debian [+o Ganneff] by ChanServ
15:30-!-mode/#debian [-m] by Ganneff
15:30<mentor>Sorry
15:30<mentor>That was accidental
15:31-!-mode/#debian [-e #debian!*@*] by Ganneff
15:31<weasel>mentor: and instead of accepting the criticism that his provided message was useless he says "don't be daft"?
15:31<themill>weasel, mentor: perhaps discussing opping policies and practices would be better done in #debian-ops?
15:31<weasel>seriously.
15:31<mentor>Yes it would
15:31<mentor>Perhaps weasel should join
15:31<weasel>perhaps not
15:31<mentor>This is how we always deal with onjoin spammers
15:31-!-themill [~stuart@themill.user.oftc.net] has left #debian [Move on, nothing to see here.]
15:31<mentor>And always have done
15:31<weasel>mentor: banning them?
15:32<mentor>Yes
15:32<weasel>and not kicking them for ages?
15:32<mentor>And then bumping them to network
15:32<weasel>where I klined him.
15:32<gimmeamilk2>hello?
15:32<mentor>Still
15:32<weasel>yes. still.
15:32<mentor>Reporting them it not a bad thing to do
15:32<weasel>if dr|z3d cannot be arsed to use sane reporting he just shouldn't.
15:32<mentor>Plus you're not on 'debian =ops
15:32<weasel>just a nickname with no reason at all is no good.
15:32<mentor>And you're not taking part in consensus based opping
15:33<mentor>Nor was your dealing with dr|z3d actually constructive
15:33<kop>!tell gimmeamilk2 about ask
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15:33<retrospectacus>!ot
15:33<dpkg>#debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
15:33<weasel>mentor: I'm so glad we're having this talk.
15:33<weasel>it's improving everything.
15:33<mentor>And you're still not on #debian-ops to talk about this
15:33<weasel>can you move on now?
15:33<@Ganneff>mentor: dr|z3d was an idiot. i would have banned him too.
15:33<@Ganneff>and now its over.
15:33<mentor>No
15:34<weasel>and he's not banned.
15:34<mentor>This is never how we've dealt with things
15:34<weasel>now EOD.
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15:35<mentor>weasel: This is not the end of this matter, as far as I am concerned
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15:39-!-mode/#debian [+o Myon] by ChanServ
15:39-!-mode/#debian [-qo dr|z3d!*@* Myon] by Myon
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15:39<fafa_>I upgrade the kernel to a "stable" squeeze, thanks to chroot, I hope I can now have an OS (10 hours later...)
15:40<dr|z3d>Much thanks, Myon.
15:41<dr|z3d>Ganneff: I find your comment most uncharitable. If my initial request for op support was lacking in detail, I think I provided sufficient information once challenged. That the offender has been k-lined speaks volumes.
15:41<dreamon>Hi, need help installing Nvida Driver (8800GS), followed the tutorial to step #m-a auto-install nvidia-kernel${VERSION}-source, but then i recieve an error: http://pastie.org/pastes/996744 (Debian Testing, uname -r: 2.6.32-trunk-686)
15:41<Myon>dr|z3d: no meta discussions, thanks
15:42<emopart>"the debian way"
15:42<emopart>no one understands!
15:42<emopart>wordpress doesn't allow auto-updates
15:42<cthuluh>fafa_: do you have an xorg.conf? if the answer is "yes", then you probably want to move it with a different name, and then try to reboot (the xorg.conf may prevent something during the autodetection of your hardware)
15:42<emopart>if you install wordpress the debian way
15:42<fafa_>cthuluh, I have now an OS
15:42<emopart>cause you dump all the files to /usr/share/wordpress
15:43<fafa_>And I can use my keyboard
15:43<fafa_>:)
15:43<emopart>and create symlinks in all the public_html folders
15:43<fafa_>So now, configuration and checking ...
15:43<cthuluh>ok, cool, fafa_ , but you are using a stable kernel
15:43<dr|z3d>Myon: Sure. I was simply responding to slander. I don't think that's entirely unreasonable. Nuff said.
15:43<fafa_>cthuluh, no I'm in squeeze now
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15:44<fafa_>hav ing th 2.6.32 kernel
15:44<BT>OW
15:44<BT>Q MERDA
15:44<BT>PORRA
15:44<cthuluh>fafa_: cool :)
15:44<BT>CARALHO
15:44<cthuluh>BT: gtfo
15:44-!-mode/#debian [+o weasel] by ChanServ
15:44-!-mode/#debian [+q bt!*@*] by weasel
15:44<fafa_>we should never forget that linux teaches us great patience
15:44<cthuluh>hehe
15:45<goodtime>im new to this debian
15:45<cthuluh>BT has just proved us we are not so patient
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15:45<goodtime>was running ubuntu 10.04
15:46<goodtime>does anyone know how to set your graffics
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15:47<zem>"set your graffics"?
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15:47<goodtime>i need some driver i guess
15:48<cthuluh>are you sure?
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15:48<goodtime>yes
15:48<zem>nvidia or ati?
15:48<cthuluh>your display is not functioning properly?
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15:49<Despirithium>Wadafok
15:49<goodtime>i did this install buy copying it to a dvd and i off thenet and installed it
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15:49<dr|z3d>goodtime: You might find installing grandr helps.
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15:50<goodtime>well i can just tell because everythingis all big and shit
15:50<dr|z3d>goodtime: Or try editing /etc/X11/xorg.conf
15:51<goodtime>Permission denied
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15:52<zem>or you can try system > preferences > monitor and change resolution to something reasonable
15:52<dr|z3d>(as root)
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16:06<fafa_>thanks to the helpers who achieve a great job ;) bye
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16:11<drizzt>anyone knows how to enable GL acceleration for radeon X800? anything more heavy then glxgears and compiss is TERRIBLY slow
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16:14<dondelelcaro>right; I need to turn in my ballot too. if there's still something to discuss, we can raise it in 20 hours or so
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16:16<unixabg>Greetings, how do I tell a chroot to start or boot like a normal system on the host reboot?
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16:17<dondelelcaro>unixabg: how do you want it to boot?
16:18<dondelelcaro>unixabg: a chroot is just there
16:19<cthuluh>unixabg: maybe you'll be interested in openvz
16:19<@weasel>dondelelcaro: he probably wants to start services in the chroot
16:19<unixabg>dondelelcaro, well if the server was to reboot I want the chroot to start and I was going to put a call to a script to start services and mount I needed in /etc/rc.local, but I though there might be a single command to do so to tell the chroot to start up.
16:19<unixabg>weasel, yes
16:19<@weasel>unixabg: "chroots" don't boot.
16:19<peterS>unixabg: perhaps you want to manage your chroots with something like schroot?
16:19<unixabg>peterS, I will examine.
16:19<peterS>or, yeah, a virtual machine might be a closer fit to what you really want
16:19<@weasel>unixabg: chroots as such don't really exist, kinda
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16:19<@weasel>unixabg: your system has many processes, and some of them have a different / than others,
16:19<unixabg>peterS, I do not want virtual machines for this specific case.
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16:20<@weasel>unixabg: those processes are then usually called chrooted.
16:20<dondelelcaro>unixabg: so drop in an init script which chroots and then runs whatever it should, or run it from rc.local
16:20<dondelelcaro>(either way works just fine)
16:20<_BS_>Help, appear to be in an apt-get update circle:
16:20<_BS_>Unpacking libgif4 (from .../libgif4_4.1.6-9_i386.deb) ...
16:20<_BS_>dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libgif4_4.1.6-9_i386.deb (--unpack):
16:20<dpkg>_bs_: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin).
16:20<_BS_> trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/libgif.so.4', which is also in package libungif4g
16:20<_BS_>Errors were encountered while processing:
16:20<_BS_> /var/cache/apt/archives/libgif4_4.1.6-9_i386.deb
16:20<_BS_>E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
16:20<peterS>unixabg: maybe we can help you decide on the implementation if you briefly outline what you're actually trying to accomplish
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16:20<dondelelcaro>_BS_: please do not paste here
16:20<retrospectacus>_BS_: please use a pastebin
16:20<@weasel>unixabg: often one sets up an entire new directory to run processes inside them. they however need to be started by yourself, chroot $foo $bar
16:20<unixabg>dondelelcaro, weasel, peterS, many thanks.
16:21<unixabg>I think I have a vision of what to do now. :)
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16:21<@weasel>unixabg: you can probably get away by simply creating an init script in your real / that does the chroot $foo $bla to start stuff
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16:21<unixabg>weasel, that is now my action plan.
16:22<felixs>unixabg: just chroot, then mount /proc and /sys, start an sshd and there you are...
16:22<unixabg>felixs, thanks. I now understand.
16:22<_BS_>http://paste.debian.net/76665/ - apt-get circle. Help.
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16:23<dondelelcaro>_BS_: what is the output of apt-cache policy libungif4g libgif4; and apt-cache show libungif4g libgif4;
16:23<@weasel>he can probably get away with purging libungif4g
16:24<dondelelcaro>weasel: yeah, but need to make sure it's not a bug in libgif4 (which *should* Replaces: libungif4g)
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16:26<_BS_>weasel, dondelelcaro: Maybe, but it's a cool exercise!
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16:29<_BS_>weasel, dondelelcaro: I'm looking at it, I'll paste in a moment. Interesting comment in libungif "this package can be purged anytime once the libgif4 package has been installed." Huh. Interesting.
16:30<@weasel>dondelelcaro: sounds good
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16:30<dondelelcaro>_BS_: yes; it's a transitional package... but you shouldn't be getting the error you're seeing
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16:32<drizzt>radeon X800... anyone?
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16:35<deus>Background info: I use the nouveau driver. I use no xorg.conf. I configure dual screens using xrandr in my xinitrc. Problem: When I'm in X and DPMS kicks on, I can't use anything anymore. Both screens are black and nothing works, Not even Ctl-alt-F2. I have to use magic keys to shutdown. Any idea about how to solve this problem without turning off dpms?
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16:36<dondelelcaro>deus: can you ssh into the machine?
16:36<deus>Yes, But pkill X won't work.
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16:37<dondelelcaro>deus: can you connect to the X server still?
16:37<_BS_>weasel, dondelelcaro: so apt-get purge libungif4g? http://paste.debian.net/76669/
16:37<deus>How do I figure that out?
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16:38<dondelelcaro>_BS_: so you're trying to upgrade to sid directly from etch
16:38<dondelelcaro>_BS_: that's not going to work well, and you're going to have more of these kinds of problems
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16:39<dondelelcaro>_BS_: first upgrade from etch to lenny, then from lenny to sid
16:39<dondelelcaro>_BS_: but if you don't want to, yes, you can just purge libungif4g
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16:42<_BS_>dondelelcaro: I have a downloaded vm that is sick, and I'm just trying to bumble my way through to geting apt-get happy then be able to see where I'm at. sources.list has only been changed from de.debian.org to local csclub mirror. 'aptitude search aptitude' gives: ptitude: symbol lookup error: aptitude: undefined symbol: sqlite3_db_mutex. Most every apt-get I've tried mysteriously wants to...
16:42<_BS_>...update all of kde - so I'm just trying to get through that.
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16:43<_BS_>dondelelcaro: Ah. My read of sources.list (one moment) is that the author started with an etch CD and got himself to lenny. The confusing part is the add of a bit of sid. And the mess I see. One moment.
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16:49<_BS_>dondelelcaro: In trying to put the info. together to pastebin, I now get: apt-get upgrade - Segmentation faultsts... 0%
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16:54<inkbottle>Have you noticed high cpu usage (from 20% to 40%), from firefox-bin (squeeze), (and xorg when firefox is itself using much cpu)? javascipt is not allowed using script block and i just uninstalled flash-nonfree.
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16:55<_BS_>dondelelcaro: http://paste.debian.net/76673/
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17:16<inkbottle>How is it possible, when iceweasel running, xorg uses 80% of cpu though nothing is happening on the screen?
17:16<mint_>hi, i've got quite a problem here, maybe someone can help. i'm running sidux (basically a patched unstable), and after an apt-get upgrade, several crucial executables hat their permissions set to 0000. well, that is fixed, now, but still, at the very beginning of the boot sequence, udevd gives me hundreds of error about modprobe not being executable, then the system halts. can anyone give me a lead? i'm stuck, #sidux won't help, and all i've got i
17:16<mint_>s a linux mint dvd.
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17:18<Mery>oala
17:18<themill>!es-social Mery
17:18<dpkg>Mery: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador por favor ingresa al canal social de #debian-es con /join #debian-es-cachondeo. Tus amigos probablemente ya esten ahi.
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17:26<ml|>dpkg: sidux
17:26<dpkg>well, sidux is a live distribution <based on Debian> Sid, with a special focus on clean and easy hard disk installation. It is <OT> in #debian. Please /join #sidux on irc.oftc.net.
17:26<ml|>vinter: ^
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17:27<vinter>too bad :\
17:28<vinter>thanks anyways
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17:31<bancoecia>como faço para ir no #vivaolinux
17:31<bancoecia>como faço para ir no #vivaolinux
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17:32<inkbottle>I just installed good old konqueror. It seems it's more friendly concerning cpu; and even the display is not so bad (and there is possibilities to block javascript selectively, etc.. seems fine). Perhaps it will be the solution for my very old althlon.
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17:35<ml|>inkbottle: have you checked BTS for a bug in either iceweasel and/or xorg? that should not be normal
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17:36<inkbottle>ml|, i did concerning iceweasel
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17:37<ml|>did does that always happen when using iw?
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17:40<inkbottle>it's like it's happening while iw is trying to re organize some images in it's window; as is was a very hard task; it then stop displaying correctly it's decorations (menu...)
17:40<inkbottle>so it's only on certain sites
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17:40<inkbottle>in iw bugs, one is cited: a site that uses much cpu with iw
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17:41<inkbottle>even though javascript is not turned on
17:41<inkbottle>i think it's a iw bug (not a debian's bug)
17:42<ml|>then it seems like an iw bug; maybe add to that report or open a new one and reference that bug #
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17:42<felixs>any ideas on how to capture an rfkill switch event to trigger ifup/down (using intel iwlagn)?
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17:44<inkbottle>ml|, my pov: iw is just trying to do to well, not considering there is old cpu, and not considering it's using a poor algorithm
17:45<inkbottle>eye-candy at any price
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17:53<Lillymon>I'm not here about the webcam this time, I'm here about PrBoom and Chocolate Doom. For some reason, I get "ALSA lib pcm.c:7236:(snd_pcm_recover) underrun occured" when I run them, and sound crackles a lot. Any ideas what could be causing this?
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17:56<Lillymon>There doesn't seem to be much of a pattern, some WADs always have crackling, others never, and some have crackling on Chocolate Doom but not PrBoom or vice-versa/
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18:46<matland>hm is building them install system lotsa work?
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18:48<eightyeight>what?
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18:50<Dreakon>Hey guys, whats the best way to look up RAM memory usage?
18:50<eightyeight>free
18:50<Dreakon>I'm using top, but it looks like 2039828k total, 1983020k used, 56808k free
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18:50<Dreakon>which means almost 100% of the RAM is in use...
18:50<eightyeight>looks like it
18:50<matland>free -m
18:51<Dreakon>Lol, erm... well, considering I have 2 gigs of RAM, I'm banking that either Debian isn't entirely efficient or I'm doing something wrong?
18:51<themill>!free ram
18:51<dpkg>Unlike information, your computer's memory does *not* want to be free. Free RAM is wasted RAM! Linux tries to use free physical memory for caching files from disk which speeds up disk access considerably. Linux releases RAM from these caches if programs need it. If you want to know how much physical memory the free(1) tool says you have left for program use, it's 'free' + 'buffers' + 'cache'. Also ask me about <swapwake>.
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18:52<eightyeight>Dreakon: when in top, hit 'm' and sort by memory usage. see what's chewing up the most
18:53<eightyeight>Dreakon: sorry, that should be 'M' (shift-m)
18:54<Dreakon>Oh, alrighty. So technically the ram being used is the percentage in top?
18:54<Dreakon>And the rest is just cache for disk access?
18:54<eightyeight>disk cache and cpu cache
18:55<eightyeight>if you're that concerned about it, you can flush your cache, unused inodes, etc with 'sync && echo 3 > /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches'
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18:56<eightyeight>really though, trust your kernel. it knows what it's doing. unless you're experiencing massive performance losses, and you're swapping out regularly, i wouldn't worry about it
18:56<Dreakon>Nah, I'm not worried about it, especially if fully used RAM is happy RAM. I'm just trying to compare the RAM usage of my brothers Windows Vista computer (same amount of RAM).
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18:56<Dreakon>When his said 650mb used and mine said 1.9gb used... you could understand my concern lol.
18:56<Dreakon>I'm somewhat new to Linux.
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18:57<Dreakon>Despite having been using it the last few months.
18:57<Dreakon>:P
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18:58<matland>hm i think vista does a crapload of caching too
18:58<matland>or it were 7
18:58<Dreakon>Apparently not quite as much as Linux lol
18:59<eightyeight>i'm not running windows 7, just xp, but it's caching a _ton_
18:59<matland>windows does weird stuff
18:59<eightyeight>seems i've 'swapped' a lot too
18:59<matland>new windows already loads applications that are used 'often'
18:59<matland>before you launch them
19:00<eightyeight>anyway, it's apples vs oranges. further, you have fine grained tools to tune your kernel in it's memory usage
19:00<eightyeight>Dreakon: if you want a _detailed_ breakdown, check the /proc/meminfo file
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19:01<Dreakon>Well, I'm not necessarily looking for more details lol. Linux often has me confused enough as it is. ;) I'm just looking for a specific number I can get out of the current memory usage and compare it to the specific number Windows offers in Task Manager.
19:01<eightyeight>apples and oranges
19:01<eightyeight>best you'll get, is they're both round and they're fruit
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19:03<Dreakon>If that's the case, how could one possibly make the point that Linux is more efficient then Windows. Or for that matter that Vista is more bulky or less efficient than 7. Different strokes for different folks... lol
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19:19<matland>fsck chroot is defunct
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19:20<matland>it claims there is no /bin/bash
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19:21<matland>wtf is wrong with it
19:22<themill>does bin/bash exist inside the chroot?
19:22<matland>yep
19:23<matland>!/mnt/bin/bash --version
19:23<matland>hm irc no support !
19:23<matland>but chroot is /mnt, and it's there
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19:23<matland>er irssi not irc
19:24<matland>hm maybe it's just a symlink
19:25<matland>no it's not
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19:26<matland>and chrooting to / is no problem
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19:28<matland>hm it needed lib too
19:29<matland>of course...
19:30<matland><- expected more descriptive error tho
19:32<matland>k yay i got a semi-functional system in chroot
19:32<matland>now a kernal and some rc stuff
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19:35<matland>hm aptitude segfaulted
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19:36<themill>matland: why aren't you using debootstrap for this, btw?
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19:36<matland>hm cause i never heard about it :-p
19:36<matland>letme check it out
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19:37<matland><- not used to linux
19:37<matland>it's been many many years
19:38<matland>hmm sounds promising and convient
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19:40<matland>hm sid == testing?
19:40<icebrain>matland: so, Sid == unstable
19:40<icebrain>!si
19:40<dpkg>i heard si is self-injury, or slovenia
19:40<icebrain>!sid
19:40<dpkg>sid is the <unstable> version of Debian. Sid is the destructive kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in; sid is not supported in #debian because sid users should be able to solve their own problems. Sid will never be released. See also <sid faq> <unstable>.
19:41<matland>!lenny
19:41<dpkg>Lenny is the codename for the current stable release, Debian GNU/Linux 5.0, released on 2009-02-14: http://www.debian.org/News/2009/20090214 Ask me about <release notes>, <install debian>, <etch->lenny>, <installer firmware>. Currently <5.0.4>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLenny
19:41<matland>!sarge
19:41<dpkg>Sarge is the codename for Debian GNU/Linux 3.1, released June 6th, 2005. Sarge security support ended on 2008-03-31, this release is no longer supported. Sarge users should upgrade to Etch, ask me about <sarge->etch>. Removed from the mirrors; ask me about <sarge sources.list>, <sarge-backports>. Get old Sarge ISOs here: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/3.1_r8/ http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSarge
19:41<themill>matland: you can /msg dpkg
19:41<matland>ah okie
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19:44<matland>hm debians reputation of being easy is restored
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19:46<matland>debian seems the only one that wants to boot actually
19:47<matland>i had fedora working a few days ago but it magically destroyed itself and the ability to boot on this box
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19:47<matland>even after total reinstall
19:47<drizzt>!experimental
19:47<dpkg>experimental is the bleeding edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit/DANGEROUS/untrustworthy/etc for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does _not_ support experimental. For an actual description, see section 4.6.4.3 of the Developer's Reference. http://packages.debian.org/experimental/
19:48<drizzt>that's stupid
19:48<matland>why do?
19:48<drizzt>all bugfixes are in experimental, why it's not supported?
19:48<matland>someone's gotta test it
19:49<matland>and if craploads of bugs are known...
19:49<themill>umm.... very few packages get uploaded to experimental
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19:49<matland>only security fixes schould go down fast
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19:55<cesurasean>how do i add non-free repo to my sources.list? also, how do i install non-free firmware? what's the package's name, exactly?
19:56<matland>you gotta pay first :-p
19:57<matland>then we tell you
19:58<matland>brb
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19:59<fafa>Hi
19:59*icebrain loves the mailing list thread on "codename should be chosen democratically". People have too much time on their hands :|
19:59<icebrain>hi, fafa
19:59<retrospectacus>cesurasean: put non-free on the end of your deb lines in /etc/apt/sources.list and apt-get update
20:00<fafa>I'd like to know why my S-ATA HDDs turns at 30 MB/sec in reading only ?
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20:00<fafa>It's two spinpoint F3 500 Go, so it should be much more
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20:00<cesurasean>retrospectacus, what is the package name for non-free firmware?
20:01<retrospectacus>firmware for what?
20:01<cesurasean>matland, I'll pay you a few beers for your knowledge.
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20:01<fafa>I have also two others HDDs in the same computer that reads at 120 MB/sec
20:02<cesurasean>firmware-non-free, I assume is the package's name?
20:02<fafa>The thing is if I unplugged the two others, the 500 Go reads at 120 MB/sec
20:02<icebrain>cesurasean: probably "firmware-linux-nonfree", although not all firmware is there, afaik
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20:03<icebrain>fafa: I don't know, but maybe you should try ##hardware at freenode
20:04<fafa>but I think it comes from debian
20:04<fafa>but I try
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20:04<kleber>ols
20:04<kleber>ola
20:04<kleber>sdgjW
20:04<icebrain>hi kleber
20:04<retrospectacus>cesurasean: apt-cache show firmware-linux-nonfree
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20:05<fafa>it says it's only a channel on invitation :x
20:05<abrotman>which channel ?
20:05<icebrain>fafa: used the two hashes?
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20:05<icebrain>abrotman: ##hardware
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20:06<icebrain>must have forgot one #
20:06<abrotman>on irc.freenode.net ?
20:06<fafa>yeah it now says i'm not identify
20:06<fafa>have i to register the nickname ?
20:06<icebrain>fafa: probably
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20:09*na5uta-work is back.
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20:10<br0te>hey
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20:14<Avt>hello?
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20:15<Avt>im testing out Sidux
20:15<Avt>on the live cd now
20:15<abrotman>there is a #sidux
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20:20<zeth>Necesito Ayuda!
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20:21<zeth>Se trata que aprendí a configurar un servidor con Debian Lenny 5.0.4 - Bueno y me han pedido que configure el servidor para que lo deje como Router y filtre las páginas web
20:21<abrotman>!es
20:21<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat
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20:22<zeth>Thanks!! Sorry :)
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20:32<Avt>thanx abro
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20:42<cesurasean>E: Couldn't find package firmware-linux-nonfree. Do i need to add a src to my sources.list, or just another line with nonfree?
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20:44<icebrain>cesurasean: just include non-free in the end of the "deb ..." line
20:44<icebrain>!non-free
20:44<dpkg>rumour has it, non-free is a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed on your system, ask me about <vrms>. For the non-free tracking system, see http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/
20:44<icebrain>!non-free sources
20:44<dpkg>Edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main Debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then aptitude update. But bear in mind that you'll be installing <non-free> software. These may have onerous terms; check the licenses. See also <sources.list>.
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20:45<cesurasean>!non-free sources
20:45<dpkg>Edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main Debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then aptitude update. But bear in mind that you'll be installing <non-free> software. These may have onerous terms; check the licenses. See also <sources.list>.
20:46<icebrain>!tell cesurasean about self-tell
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20:48<cesurasean>icebrain, thxx
20:48<abrotman>icebrain: wait .. you flooded the channel, why can't he?
20:48<abrotman>you're just as guilty
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21:41<matland>hm stupid lunix
21:41<matland>it does the same thing fedora started doing
21:41<matland><blahblah> [sdb] <blah> Assuming drive cache write trough
21:41<matland>four times
21:41<matland>then hangs
21:42<matland>in 'recovery mode' it gives normal boot messages for some time, then same thing
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21:45<matland>same thing if i run in qemu
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21:51<matland>. o O ( i schould probally stick with MS DOS )
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21:56<jay_>hello, I have two debian machines connected wirelessly to my home router, can anyone tell me or point me to the right direction on how to share files beetween them, there are aproximately 100GB I want to transfer from one machine to the other, I installed samba on both but I'm not able to get them to comunicate
21:58<dr|z3d>jay_: you might want to look at gadmin-samba if samba's your preferred method; ootherwise ftp servers or nfs are alternative methods.. samba can be sliightly tricky to set up.
21:59<jay_>dr|z3d, wich would you say is the quikest and easiest way to do this?
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22:05<abrotman>jay_: is throughput most important ?
22:06<dr|z3d>jay_: quickest and easiest? without doubt ftp.
22:06<drizzt>is there a place I can complain to maintainers?
22:06<jay_>dr|z3d, ok, I'll google that, thnx
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22:06<dr|z3d>jay_: pure-ftpd & pureadmin
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22:12<abrotman>i would hav esaid scp
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22:13<dr|z3d>scp's probably overkill on an encrypted wireless lan, and also marginally trickier to configure.
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22:14<jordanm>drizzt: the bts
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22:14<drizzt>the what?
22:15<drizzt>bug tracking system?
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22:17<abrotman>dr|z3d: how the heck is scp harder to configure ?
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22:18<dr|z3d>abrotman: Some people like point/click UI's. In that regard pureftpd is trivial. I'm not saying scp is hard, I'm saying it's marginally harder, for some.
22:19<dr|z3d>*pureftpd + pureadmin.
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22:21<abrotman>IIRC you can use nautilus to transfer over ssh if you need clicky stuff .. though he didn't ask for anything clicky
22:22<dr|z3d>When I read "quickest and easiest", I always assume, rightly or wrongly, that a UI is the preferred method of configuration, but sure.
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22:25<farosy1>how i install rt2870
22:26<abrotman>dr|z3d: after he's mucked with samba .. of course your would
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22:43<jay_>hello, does anyone know how to share a mounted drive to make available as read-only to anyone?
22:44<abrotman>you can do a) a samba share b) a read-only ftp c) NFS .. just to name a few
22:46<abrotman>jay_: d) you could use apache/httpd also if you wanted to configure it
22:46<jay_>abrotma, I' ve been a little more than an hour trying to make it happen, but no luck , I honestly do now know what I'm doing wrong,
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22:46<jay_>abrotman, what would be the quickest way?
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22:47<abrotman>depends on your areas of knowledge .. samba really isn't hard to do a read-only share
22:48<jay_>abrotman, I only need to install samba on the computer that has the drive I want to share right?
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22:49<abrotman>you still need a samba client of some sort on the other end
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23:19<jay_>abrotman, nailed it, thanks
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