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#debian IRC Logs for 2010-06-11

---Logopened Fri Jun 11 00:00:24 2010
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00:20<Mycenaean>How can I get mIRC on linux?
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00:22<Mycenaean>help please?
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01:04<opticon>my debian 5 box working great thanks to guys from this chan! woot
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01:52<sortadi>hi there
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01:52<sortadi>I'm really tired of any linux web browser available
01:52<sortadi>they're all memory hogs
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01:52<sortadi>chromium (google chrome), iceweasel (firefox) and opera
01:52<sortadi>any ideas about it?
01:54<jasper>dillo is pretty good but it only supports plain html
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01:57<jasper>netsurf isnt half bad either
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01:58<jasper>it has better support for tables etc than dillo does
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02:38<st>!multimedia
02:38<dpkg>[dmm] Debian Multimedia is a repository of unofficial packages maintained by Christian Marillat, not in Debian for patent-related reasons. For information on how to access, see http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm lenny> <dmm squeeze>. During 2010, this repository grew a non-free part, with all binary-only packages moved there; you may need to add " non-free" to your sources lines. See also <dmm list>.
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03:57<Ikarus>hrm, is /etc/cron.daily/apt on by default or am I misreading something ?
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04:01<locklace>Ikarus: it only actually does something if APT::Periodic::Enable is true
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04:05<meowcats>is btrfs relatively stable these days?
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04:07<Ikarus>locklace: not sure about that
04:07<Ikarus>it doesn't check for that variable
04:07<locklace>it does on my squeeze system
04:08<locklace>meowcats: yes, for something that's totally experimental
04:08<Ikarus>it only checks for APT::Periodic::Update-Package-List, etc
04:08<Ikarus>and it seems to have set APT::Periodic::Update-Package-List=1 as default
04:08<Ikarus>according to the header
04:09<Ikarus>hrm, nope, not 1 by default it seems
04:09<locklace>Ikarus: what does "grep Periodic::Enable /etc/cron.daily/apt" return for you
04:09<Ikarus>locklace: nothing
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04:10<locklace>what version of debian
04:10<Ikarus>5.0.4
04:10<locklace>ok, this is squeeze
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04:11<locklace>so the script has changed some
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04:11*Ikarus is trying to figure out why check_apt Nagios is working :) (it's not running apt-get update itself it seems and if I read it correctly, it's not downloading it internally either)
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04:12<locklace>i hate it when things unexpectedly work
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04:12<Ikarus>locklace: exactly
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04:14<Ikarus>locklace: and how I read check_apt it seems to imply something is running apt-get update
04:14<Ikarus>perhaps I am just doing it regularly enough by hand that I hadn't noticed
04:14<Ikarus>but I doubt it
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04:20<meowcats>say what, btrfs-convert?! that sounds... scary
04:21<Ikarus>Guess I do do that
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04:35<Ox90>locklace, i just had two things like that. Kernel complaing about missing firmware for my nics but brings them up anyway and kernel modules complaining about invalid symbols and the inserting them anyway
04:35<Ox90>win
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05:15<labirinto1234>can u recommend me some good free remote control soft? what about tight VCN? thanks
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05:20<przemoc>labirinto1234: TightVNC for *nixes, UltraVNC for win*
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05:20<przemoc>hi, what have changed in evince 2.30 since 2.28 that any view settings are not stored anymore? (debian squeeze)
05:20<przemoc>I once upgraded to 2.30, but I reverted because of mentioned above problem. recently new evince package was put in squeeze repo so I encountered it one more time
05:20<przemoc>unfortunately I didn't backup previous version
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05:21<labirinto1234>but tightVNC also is funcional with win client no ?
05:21<przemoc>labirinto1234: yes
05:22<labirinto1234>thanks
05:22<jm_>przemoc: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=583973
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05:28<przemoc>jm_: it looks like my problem. per document settings are crucial for convenient work. e.g. I often use gvim (LaTeX) + evince tandem. now it involves changing settings every time I run evince, which is very clunky.
05:29<jm_>przemoc: right, so maybe check its changelog
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05:34<przemoc>jm_: I reported problem in #evince back in 13 May, but there was no maintainer then AFAIR. 2.30 changed the way of storing metadata.
05:34<przemoc>any change in settings spits warning similar to:
05:34<przemoc>** (evince:6082): WARNING **: Setting attribute metadata::evince::sidebar_visibility not supported
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05:37<jm_>przemoc: did you check upstream project bugs?
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05:41<scummos>??Mitre of Holiness
05:41<minidebconf2010>live stream debconf stream: Http://stream.minidebconf.de:8000/mdc-2010.ogv
05:41<minidebconf2010>11:00 uhr Multiarch - ziel, Design und Status
05:41<minidebconf2010>12:00 uhr Backportig Debian
05:41<minidebconf2010>13:00 uhr piuparts.debian.org: QA on 25000 packages
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05:44<jm_>hmm video doesn't work for me, audio is fine
05:44<karme>works here
05:44<karme>jm_: using mplayer?
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05:44<jm_>karme: yup, are you on lenny?
05:44<minidebconf2010>jm_: vlc is okay hier
05:44<karme>kalos: lenny, using vlc
05:44<minidebconf2010>here
05:45<karme>~s/kalos/jm_
05:45<jm_>[theora @ 0xb40fa0]Missing extradata!
05:45<jm_>Could not open codec.
05:45<karme>i have seen mplayer fail sometimes on ogg theora+vorbis
05:46<minidebconf2010>moin karme
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05:48<karme>minidebconf2010: moin
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05:50<minidebconf2010>ask me here live from mini debconf for speaker
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06:00<karme>inofficial video relay: http://karme.de/video/
06:01<karme>~s/^i/u
06:03<minidebconf2010>live stream debconf stream: Http://stream.minidebconf.de:8000/mdc-2010.ogv
06:03<minidebconf2010>12:00 uhr Backportig Debian (alexzander witt) live now
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06:12<EagleScreen>it is in german?
06:12<karme>EagleScreen: yes
06:12<Ox90>Halt! Hammerzeit..
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06:13<Ox90>thanks
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06:14<przemoc>jm_: thanks to cooperation witk KaL the culprit is found: gvfs
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06:16<jm_>przemoc: you mean another upgrade causes it?
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06:19<przemoc>jm_: http://pastebin.com/zQgL7hrU | http://pastebin.com/XFDYFqGi
06:19<przemoc>jm_: rather there is some bug in gvfs
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06:20<jm_>przemoc: perhaps you should update that bug with your findings
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06:21<przemoc>jm_: I'll update #583973 and report the problem to gvfs/debian in the evening or tomorrow. going back to work now.
06:22<jm_>przemoc: sounds good
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06:26<minidebconf2010>live stream debconf stream: Http://stream.minidebconf.de:8000/mdc-2010.ogv
06:26<minidebconf2010>12:00 uhr Backportig Debian (alexzander witt) live now
06:26<minidebconf2010>13:00 uhr piuparts.debian.org: QA on 25000 packages
06:26<minidebconf2010>14:00 uhr Freie Softwear und Urheberrecht - ein wiederspruch
06:28<mixalis>hello, is there any program that i can my cpu temperature?
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06:29<Torsten_W>mixalis, sensors
06:29<Torsten_W>the mackage is named lm-sensors
06:29<Torsten_W>s/m/p
06:29<notworkn>anyone use putty a lot in windows?
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06:29<Torsten_W>!anyone
06:29<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
06:30<notworkn>ok, I run putty in windows 7, and every connection always opens in full screen and also frequently I can't see the program in my task bar
06:30<jm_>notworkn: ask in putty/windows support channel
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06:31<notworkn>there is a putty support channel?
06:31<karme>mixalis: or acpi -t
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06:32<mixalis>thnx
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06:33<siji>hi all
06:34<siji>i have installed debian 5.0 in my dell vostro 220n desktop
06:34<siji>but failed to get the display in screen
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06:35<siji>giving the message that "the current inout timing is not supported by the monitor display
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06:35<siji>Please change your input timing to 1440x900@60Hz
06:35<siji>how to setup this
06:35<siji>pls help me
06:36<jm_>why is not settng that mode?
06:36<jm_>is it*
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06:37<EagleScreen>siji can try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
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06:38<siji>i tried but failed
06:38<jm_>check X logfile
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06:38<siji>k
06:39<siji> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ending up with some keyboard conf
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06:40<siji>also asked for enabling Frame buffer display or smthing
06:41<EagleScreen>siji: your graphics card might be not supported in Debian 5.0.5
06:41<EagleScreen>which model?
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06:42<dev0>siji: what does your xorg logfile says?
06:42<dev0>siji: are there any (EE) in you logfile?
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06:44<karme>minidebconf audio-only relay for those with low bandwidth: http://kallisto.karme.de:40000/audio.ogg
06:44<siji>EagleScreen, just checking
06:44<siji>dev0, let me check
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06:46<siji>dev0, can see one EE error
06:46<siji>am pasting the log file at pastebin
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06:48<dev0>siji: good idea :)
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06:52<mixalis>in the path /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THRM is a file with name temperature, when i open it says temperature: 54 C. is that my cpu temperature?
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06:54<karme>mixalis: /proc/acpi is deprecated afaik
06:54<dev0>mixalis: using /sys instead
06:54<siji>dev0,http://debian.pastebin.com/FFLBHc0f
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06:56<amol112>hi all while doing chroot in sdcard (armel lenny) getting error as chroot: cannot run command `/mnt/bin/bash': No such file or directory
06:57<Ox90>that file exists within the chroot?
06:57<jm_>are you sure you didn't want to specify just "/bin/bash" ?
06:57<dev0>siji: i think your intel graphics chip is not vesa/vesa2 compatible
06:58<siji>oh ok
06:58<jm_>it is, it's using VESA driver
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06:58<siji>wht's the solution now
06:58<jm_>i recommend you upgrade to squeeze and use KMS with 2.6.32 kernel
06:59<siji>jm_.ok
07:00<siji>whether apt-get upgrade will do?
07:00<jm_>try /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze
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07:02<siji>?
07:02<jm_>in your IRC client of course
07:02<siji>ya ya
07:02<siji>got it
07:02<pavi>I am trying to play an mp3 with mocp - a commandline player . Also could detect the sound . Even increased the volume . But I am not hearing any sound from it :(
07:02<pavi>*als
07:02<pavi>*alsa
07:03<pavi>I am running debian testing .
07:04<pavi>can anyone suggest other commandline mp3 players ?
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07:04<jm_>does sound work otherwise?
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07:05<pavi>jm_ nopes but card is detected by alsa and I increased the volume with alsa mixer
07:05<jm_>pavi: is only one card listed in /proc/asound/cards? is it unmuted?
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07:07<pavi>Yes its only one card Nvidia CK 804
07:08<jm_>run 'amixer contents' and look at values= line for each mixer
07:08<jm_>"Switch' ones should say on
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07:09<pavi>ok
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07:11<pavi>jm_, one switch is off
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07:11<pavi>Its IEC 958 playback switch
07:12<jm_>pavi: doesn't tell me much, but that doesn't sound like a problem, but you can still try to change it in alsamixer
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07:13<jm_>ahh spdif - is that how your speakers are conected?
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07:16<pavi>jm_, It works now . I just went to alsamixer and made all volumes full :) its blasting sound :D
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07:16<jm_>pavi: good
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07:21<siji>jm_,http://debian.pastebin.com/UhRfNZvu
07:21<siji>pls have a look on it
07:22<siji>have modified as per the dpkg
07:22<jm_>siji: impressive paste
07:23<jm_>there's not much to look at
07:23<jm_>lenny/squeeze is wrong
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07:23<jm_>and you don't want security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main for squeeze either
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07:27<Ox90>siji, when s/lenny/squeeze was mentioned it implied replace lenny with squeeze
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07:31<siji>oh ok
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07:33<siji>0x90,thanks
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08:03<walthari>I need an alternative to usblivecreator to install debian using a USB memory stick. Any advice?
08:03<jm_>walthari: the process is explained in the installation manual, what's the issue with it?
08:04<walthari>I found nothing related, I will read again. (I'm currently using windows)
08:04<jm_>4.3. Preparing Files for USB Memory Stick Booting
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08:22<minidebconf2010>you can ask me then ask the speaker because of judge
08:22<minidebconf2010>live stream debconf stream: Http://stream.minidebconf.de:8000/mdc-2010.ogv
08:22<minidebconf2010>14:00 uhr Lxde
08:22<minidebconf2010>15:00 uhr X2go - internet remonte Desktop
08:23<minidebconf2010>15:45 uhr Debian-Packet-Bau Für Fortgeschrittene
08:23<minidebconf2010>16:45 uhr Was kann git-buildpackage für dich tun?
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08:35<kop>!de
08:35<dpkg>Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de).
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09:04<cmot>Heyho!
09:04<cmot>Heyho anyway.
09:04<cmot>The question I was about to asked evaporated. Still heyho.
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09:06<minidebconf2010>you can ask me then ask the speaker because of judge
09:06<minidebconf2010>live stream debconf stream: Http://stream.minidebconf.de:8000/mdc-2010.ogv
09:06<minidebconf2010>15:00 uhr X2go - internet remonte Desktop (heinz graesing)
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09:23<mixalis>hi, i have install lm-sensors (sensors version 3.1.2). when i type sensors i get this output "acpitz-virtual-0. Adapter: Virtual device. temp1: +29.5°C (crit = +100.0°C). why is not showing my cpu temperature?
09:23<Guest656>Hello for everybody! May You hint me how to update debian 5.0 iso-disks?
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09:29<minidebconf2010>you can ask me then ask the speaker because of judge
09:29<minidebconf2010>live stream debconf stream: Http://stream.minidebconf.de:8000/mdc-2010.ogv
09:29<minidebconf2010>15:00 uhr X2go - internet remonte Desktop (heinz graesing)
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09:31*themill thinks minidebconf2010 would do better in #debian.de
09:33<minidebconf2010>sorry for my english this is here linux day mini debian conf themill
09:34<themill>minidebconf2010: yes I know that... it's just all the talks are in German too which does rather limit yourself in here!
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09:57<CkhiKuzad>i have screen set to start automatically when i am in a command line session, and it wont let me do f9, f2, etc.
09:57<CkhiKuzad>how would i make screen not start automatically.
09:57<CkhiKuzad>?
09:57<petemc>undo whatever you did to make it start automatically
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09:58<CkhiKuzad>that requires me to find my .screenrc, which i cant find, or do f9 to get into the configuration within screen, which is impossible in its current state
09:58<lontra>hi i am trying to create a folder on my usb drive and it tells me 'operation not permitted' i can't do this as a regular or super user
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09:58<petemc>CkhiKuzad: 'exit' ?
09:59<petemc>lontra: what file system?
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09:59<toret>#n-1
09:59<lontra>petemc: i believe vfat
09:59<CkhiKuzad>i did the 'exit' thing (without ' around it) and restarted screen
09:59<CkhiKuzad>and i still cant get into the menu
10:00<CkhiKuzad>i want it to stop starting automatically so it wont make it type ~ whenever i hit f9
10:00<lontra>petemc: although it might be ntfs
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10:02<petemc>lontra: mount
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10:02<CkhiKuzad>what is the control+a code in screen to get into its configuration?
10:02<lontra>petemc: i've tried mount
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10:03<petemc>lontra: the command 'mount' shows you what fs the mounted device is
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10:04<lontra>petemc: hmm ... mount says it can't find the device in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
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10:05<petemc>lontra: cat /proc/mounts
10:05<lontra>http://pastebin.ca/1881163
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10:06<petemc>lontra: there doesnt seem to be a usb drive mounted
10:06<lontra>petemc: nevermind ... something simple and stupid .. needed to install ntfs-3g
10:07<lontra>apparently you can read/mount ntfs w/o it but not write to it?
10:07<petemc>yes
10:07<petemc>well, you can write to it
10:07<petemc>you just cant change the file size
10:07<lontra>ah
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11:52<smv>after installing sid on a new system using debootstrap and then installing the rest of the needed packages with aptitude, i'm left with 79 packages unconfigured, most of them related to X, some to gnome and some other too. dpkg --configure -a can't fix this issue. should i be concerned about this, or just wait a few days and hope it will be fixed? a complete list of the unconfigured packages is here: http://paste.debian.net/plainh/2a2bb080
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12:02<craigevil>smv: try apt-get -f install, also you might want to remove any of the xorg packages that you do not actually need
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12:03<smv>craigevil, they actually came with gnome, and i think i shouldn't remove them since i like to have the full gnome
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12:03<smv>the odd thing is that X and gnome are wrorking
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12:05<smv>craigevil, apt-get -f install told me to run dpkg --configure -a. already done that, and didn't worked...
12:05<jordanm>smv: pastebin the output of dpkg --configure -a
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12:08<smv>jordanm, http://paste.debian.net/plainh/91c09201
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12:10<jordanm>smv: what happens if you do dpkg-reconfigure insserv?
12:10<smv>nothing
12:11<craigevil>gdm3 is the problem, it doesnt play nice with initscripts, http://www.sidux.com/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=21092
12:12<jordanm>!btssmite smv
12:12*dpkg beats smv around the head repeatedly with http://bugs.debian.org/ and apt-listbugs, along with a chainsaw if smv is running testing or unstable
12:12<smv>:D
12:13<jordanm>smv: see #585493 and #585489
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12:16<jordanm>smv: nick change?
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12:18<jordanm>I saw, which sounds familar
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12:30<codeso>hola
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12:40<smv>craigevil, jordanm, thanks for help.
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12:58<screenn>I did a mysql database dump from SUSE LINUX 10.1 to debian testing and some russian char's invisible in phpmyadmin output, but visible in mysql console queries, maybe different mysql server charset configurations?
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13:06<jordanm>screenn: #mysql
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13:19<gernot>Hi. After a squeeze update fsck can't resolve the UUID of my /boot partition. It works in Grub though and changing /etc/fstab's UUID entry to /dev/sda1 "solved" the problem. The partition is also not listed in /dev/disk/by-uuid/. What could be the reason for this?
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13:23<Loceka>hello :)
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13:29<craigevil>gernot: run blkid as root and make sure the output matches your fstab
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13:30<Loceka>I wondered if it was possible (with ACL's for example) for a file to have multiple owners
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13:30<gernot>craigevil, I did that before and I think it simply didn't give any output. I'll try again in a moment.
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13:31<Loceka>in fact I've a directory with perms rwxrwxrwt with the "chmod +t" option so that any user can create files/directories
13:32<Loceka>but only the file owner or the root directory owner can suppress/modify the files
13:32<gernot>craigevil, so # blkid /dev/sda1 returns nothing.
13:32<Loceka>the thing is that I need to have several admins and I don't know how to do that
13:33<Torsten_W>gernot, ls -al /dev/disk/by-uuid | grep sda1
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13:33<gernot>Torsten_W, no, it's not there.
13:34<Torsten_W>gernot, and sda1 hasa a filesystem?
13:34<s_i_m>Loceka, you want to let "admins" to change the ownership of files, or what?
13:34<Loceka>s_i_m, I want admins to be allowed to move the files in a new directory
13:34<gernot>Torsten_W, yes, I can 1a) boot from it and 2) address/mount it with /dev/sda1.
13:35<Torsten_W>gernot, then genereat a uuid
13:35<Torsten_W>*generate
13:35<Loceka>this directory is a shared one and the admins should move the "good" files in a final directory
13:35<Loceka>and remove the bad ones
13:35<jordanm>from my experience, having "several" admins for a single machine is bad
13:35<craigevil>gernot: vol_id --uuid {/dev/device}
13:36<Torsten_W>useless
13:36<Torsten_W>if the partition is not listet in /dev/disk/by-uuid
13:36<Torsten_W>then there is no uuid
13:36<jordanm>I have ran into some cases where I needed to delete /etc/blkid.tab
13:36<gernot>Torsten_W, okay that's the part I don't know how to do yet. I'm sure I'll find a tutorial. What do I have to adjust then? Grub relies on the old UUID for example.
13:37<Torsten_W>gernot, man tune2fs
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13:37<Khades>only libvorbisenc is responsible for encodin to vorbis?
13:38<gernot>craigevil, I don't have vol_id.
13:38<s_i_m>Loceka, are you sure you need +w for "others"? cannot you have a group with write permissions?
13:38<jordanm>gernot: as root...
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13:38<gernot>Torsten_W, alright, I'll check it out. I am worried about Grub though.
13:38<jordanm>gernot: it part of udev, so I am sure you do
13:39<jordanm>!tell gernot about apt-file
13:39<eightyeight>http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2010/06/scowned-no-new-trial-novell-can-shut-down-ibm-lawsuit.ars
13:39<gernot>jordanm, interesting. I'm root for sure too though.
13:39<jordanm>gernot: maybe it changed in squeeze... is that what you are running?
13:40<jordanm>,file vol_id --release squeeze
13:40<judd>vol_id in squeeze/i386: fai-client: usr/lib/fai/fai-vol_id; cryptsetup: lib/cryptsetup/checks/un_vol_id, lib/cryptsetup/checks/vol_id
13:40<gernot>jordanm, yes, I run squeeze.
13:40<jordanm>then, yes, it has changed
13:40<craigevil>gernot: take a look at http://atlanticlinux.ie/blog/?p=101
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13:41<EmleyMoor>I have a VM running sid, giving lots of /proc/devices: No entry for device-mapper found, then /usr/sbin/grub-probe: error: cannot stat `/boot/grub/locale'. - anything I should try to fix this?
13:41<gernot>craigevil, thanks.
13:41<s_i_m>Loceka, basically, you will have to tell us more about what you need.
13:42<craigevil>EmleyMoor: has it been updated recently? there was a grub2 bug a while back, you needed to modprobe dm-mod , but it should be fixed in the newer version
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13:42<jordanm>!tell EmleyMoor about sid
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13:43<Loceka>s_i_m, well just that : an admin can move or delete any file. a simple user can create dirs or files but can't do nothing on other user's files
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13:44<jordanm>Loceka: chmod 700?
13:44<Loceka>here's what my current installation looks like : drwxrwsrwt root_dir
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13:44<usuario>hola
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13:44<Loceka>jordanm, what's the point ?
13:44<usuario>caracola
13:44<valdyn>Loceka: who added that s ?
13:45<usuario>s
13:45<usuario>#j sevilla
13:45<valdyn>drwxr-xr-x 29 root root 4096 8. Jun 23:03 /
13:45<usuario>#name sevilla
13:45<usuario>sj
13:45<jordanm>Loceka: sounds like it would accomplish what you said in the statement.
13:45<usuario>j sevilla
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13:46<Loceka>jordanm, that any user can write a file in that directory ?
13:46<Loceka>I doubt it
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13:46<jordanm>Loceka: you really think thats whay 700 would do?
13:47<jordanm>s/whay/what/
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13:48<Loceka>valdyn, chmod 3777 adds an "s" for groups. It allows to create any file withing the directory with the directory's group
13:49<Loceka>jordanm, well, basically only the owner can create files in a 700 directory... That's definately not what I want
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13:50<jordanm>you want anybody to be able to create files in a public directory, but basically want the files in said directory to be private to a user?
13:50<Loceka>yup
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13:50*jordanm thinks there is bad logic there
13:50<Loceka>that I have already done with +t option
13:50<jordanm>why the public directory at all?
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13:50<jordanm>Loceka: and setuid/setgid can be dangerous
13:51<Loceka>jordanm, that's exactly what /tmp does
13:51<Loceka>and I want exactly the same thing than /tmp : a shared directory
13:51<Loceka>why dangerouse ?
13:51<jordanm>for what purpose?
13:51<Loceka>-e
13:51<Loceka>for sharing purpose :)
13:52<Loceka>and easy management too
13:52<jordanm>Loceka: yeah... "easy"
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13:52<Loceka>I could create a directory for each user connected to the system
13:52<Loceka>but management would be awkward
13:52<valdyn>Loceka: what is supposed to be shared?
13:52<valdyn>Loceka: really random files?
13:52<jordanm>Loceka: setuid will cause the files being executed by a user to run with the privs of another user
13:52<Loceka>yup, random files
13:53<jordanm>Loceka: if this proccess is compromised, it will be compromised with the privs of that other user, which is often root
13:53<Loceka>well yes I totally agree for setuid
13:53<valdyn>Loceka: i dont get why you dont just use the permissions of /tmp
13:53<Loceka>but I doubt setgid is a security problem
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13:54<Loceka>valdyn, because /tmp is supposed to be managed by only THE root
13:54<Loceka>and I have multiple administrators
13:54<valdyn>Loceka: permissions, not owner
13:54<jordanm>anyone can use /tmp
13:55<Loceka>sure anyone can use /tmp
13:55*jordanm still doesn't quite understand the concept of a single machine needing multiple admins
13:55<valdyn>Loceka: root.root manages tmp, I never asked you to use that
13:55<Loceka>but only root can delete files in it
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13:56<Loceka>but still, can't ACL allow multiple owners for a file ?
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13:57<valdyn>Loceka: you can do everything with ACL, and create a real unmaintainable mess in one step
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13:57<Loceka>that's why I dont wanna rush
13:59<jordanm>why not give everyone thier own directory, and create a link to everyones own directory for a public/ that is open with a sticky bit?
14:00<jordanm>and wouldn't these admins all have root access anyways?
14:01<Loceka>yes
14:01<Loceka>and no, only one admin has root access
14:01<Loceka>and administration is done with sftp
14:01<jordanm>then the others are not admins IMO. they are "privledged" users
14:01<Loceka>no shell access
14:02<jordanm>how does that work? cron job to execute scripts in dir A?
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14:02<Loceka>and the thing is there is a shared "template"
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14:03<Loceka>such as "root_dir/Project1, root_dir/Project2, ..."
14:03<Loceka>so "user dirs" would be messy
14:03<Loceka>it really looks like a CVS/SVN thing
14:03<jordanm>this isn't reinventing a VCS is it?
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14:03<Loceka>but with administrators and simple committors
14:04<jordanm>ah, it is reinventing VCS...
14:04<Loceka>and with no backup
14:04<jordanm>why would you not have a backup?
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14:04<Loceka>cause there are huge files
14:04<Loceka>and I dont want them to be versionned
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14:05<jordanm>and if you lost them all today it wouldn't matter?
14:05<Loceka>sure it would
14:05<jordanm>then make backups
14:05<Loceka>but there's no space to keep tracks of changes :p
14:05<Loceka>that's why I can't use CVS-like tools
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14:06<jordanm>sounds like you are making it hard on yourself any way you can. it sounds like a new deployment, why not give it the needed resources?
14:06<Loceka>plus I don't remember anything like priviledges in CVS tools
14:06<Loceka>jordanm, what needed resources ?
14:06*jordanm has only used git
14:07<jordanm>Loceka: like... additional disk space.. backup equipment
14:07<Loceka>money :p
14:07<Loceka>it's already on RAID 5
14:07<jordanm>RAID is _not_ a replacement for backup
14:07<Loceka>but yes, if someone would remove a file it would remain removed
14:08<jordanm>and that sounds like my work who kept a 200 users on a 3meg DSL because of "money", but it cost them a lot more when it completely failed
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14:09<Loceka>still, backing up is not the issue
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14:10<Loceka>maybe I will add a backup utility
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14:10<Loceka>but it doesnt solve the administration thing
14:10<jordanm>you mean privledged users :)
14:10<Loceka>yes
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14:11<Loceka>having one priviledge user is quite easy
14:11<Loceka>but several is a lot trickier
14:13<jordanm>what is this server doing that requires many people to manage it?
14:14<Loceka>that's an "open" project
14:14<Loceka>so anyone can send anything
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14:15<Loceka>and the managers are there to ensure what is sent is sound
14:15<jordanm>what about that requires them to be anything more than an ordinary user?
14:16<jordanm>and again, back to reinventing VCS
14:16<Loceka>well an ordinary user cannot edit/remove other users files, that's the point
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14:17<Loceka>and you advise "git" ?
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14:19<jordanm>I am not advising any particular one.. its just that behavior is mimicing a VCS and I have a feeling there is something to fit your needs
14:19<jordanm>git functions in more of a peer-to-peer like way
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14:19<Loceka>never heard of it
14:19<jordanm>never heard of git?
14:19<Loceka>but the one I know (CVS and SVN) don't fit at all
14:20<Loceka>nope :/
14:21<jordanm>it would be the one written by Linus Torvalds and used by the kernel devs
14:21<jordanm>!git
14:21<dpkg>Git is a version control system created by Linus Torvalds, currently used to maintain the Linux kernel. Install the 'git-core' package to provide. http://cworth.org/hgbook-git/tour http://git-scm.com/ #git on irc.freenode.net.
14:21<Loceka>I dont say it's not famous :p
14:21<jordanm>cvs and svn are a bit older
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14:23<Loceka>but what about users with different levels of rights ?
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14:23<Loceka>I don't see such a thing in VCS unless I'm mistaken
14:24<jordanm>Loceka: it looks like CVS supports ACLs
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14:24<Loceka>if someone can commit a change, he can overright any file committed by anyone else
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14:43<Beiitah>Hola
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14:44<Beiitah>qien eres??
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14:44<jordanm>!es
14:44<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat
14:44<Beiitah>Hola
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14:44<amitz>how to find out what causes my debian squeeze to suddenly power down? /var/log/messages and /var/log/syslog gives no info on the time it happens. It has happens the 2nd time these last 3 days.
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14:45<amitz>no shutdown sequence. It's as if the power is suddenly cut.
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14:45<jordanm>are you overheating?
14:46<amitz>interesting. there is such mechanism? accesible at bios? from debian?
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14:47<dr|z3d>amitz: try hdparm
14:47<amitz>this is a notebook fwiw
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14:47<dr|z3d>That will install all manner of mobo sensors.
14:48<dr|z3d>,versions hdparm
14:48<judd>hdparm -- etch: 6.9-2; lenny: 8.9-3; sid: 9.27-2; squeeze: 9.27-2
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14:48<jhutchins_lt>dr|z3d: I didn't know hdparm had anything to do with lm_sensors.
14:48<dr|z3d>You'll probably want a UI to view them.. your DE should provide one.
14:49<dr|z3d>jhutchins_lt: It seems to pull in all the needed stuff, though I might have got that wrong.
14:49<amitz>me neither. hdparm seems to be for setting param of ide/sata. But I'm looking now.
14:49<jhutchins_lt>It _should_ be pretty much stand-alone, sounds like someone's gone nuts with depends again.
14:50<jhutchins_lt>amitz: lm_sensors is the package that should handle motherboard voltages and temps.
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14:50<jordanm>acpi I believe is what "handles" it
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14:51<amitz>noted, lm_sensors uses acpi.
14:51<jhutchins_lt>jordanm: acpi is the control interface.
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15:59<aleray>hi, I just installed debian on a powerbook G4, and I can't manage to upgrade the system. I just edited my source.list to switch to squeeze (s/lenny/squeeze) and then `aptitude full-upgrade`
15:59<aleray>but the upgrade never finishes
15:59<Noveon>Привет)
15:59<Maulkin>!ru
15:59<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net. or use English here.
15:59<Noveon>есть кто русско-говорящий?)
16:00<Maulkin>!uk
16:00<dpkg>uk is probably the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and comprises the countries of England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland. (Under ISO 3166-1, it should have been .gb not .uk, but that never quite caught on.)
16:00<Maulkin>bah
16:00<aleray>any idea of what is going on?
16:00<Maulkin>aleray: Could you post your logs to pastebin.ca or something?
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16:01<Maulkin>aleray: you may also want to mail debian-user@lists.debian.org. Squeeze isn't really ready yet
16:01<EagleScreen>aleray: any errors in the output?
16:01<aleray>EagleScreen, yes
16:01<aleray>I try to paste it
16:01<EagleScreen>pastebinit
16:03<aleray>EagleScreen, yes. but I'm afraid my log is in french
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16:03<EagleScreen>mmmmm
16:03<EagleScreen>paste it
16:04<EagleScreen>ans aleray, to get English output, run first this command: LANG=C
16:04<aleray>EagleScreen, ok
16:04<aleray>I install X server first cause I'm full console right now
16:05<retrospectacus>you can install a package called pastebinit I believe, for creating pastes from CLI
16:05<retrospectacus>!pastebinit
16:05<dpkg>rumour has it, pastebinit is a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>; especially convenient if you don't have a graphical interface. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list" ; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit". The default pastebin is broken in Lenny's pastebinit version (BTS #572728), use e.g. "pastebinit -b http://yourpaste.net"
16:06<retrospectacus>hm
16:06<Maulkin>Or perhaps:
16:06<Maulkin>!fr
16:06<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur irc.oftc.net. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.oftc.net.
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16:06<aleray>retrospectacus, cool!
16:07<retrospectacus>aleray: you may also install gpm which will let you copy and paste with the mouse in cli! amazing I know
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16:10<mercutio22>weird... when I have highlighting enabled on vi, red rendering of fonts is not anti-aliased.
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16:12<aleray>retrospectacus, EagleScreen Maulkin http://pastebin.com/iPAmdTmQ
16:14<EagleScreen>oh must be by the udev issue
16:14<retrospectacus>aleray: you are upgrading from lenny to squeeze? this is output of apt-get full-upgrade?
16:14<EagleScreen>it seems
16:15<retrospectacus>aleray: /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze
16:15<EagleScreen>aleray must upgrade the kernel before, and later continue the distribution upgrade
16:15<aleray>retrospectacus, EagleScreen what can I do now? downgrade ?
16:15<EagleScreen>downgrade is not supported
16:15<retrospectacus>no, just do it step by step
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16:17<retrospectacus>apt-get install aptitude linux-image-ppc first, then reboot and do a safe-upgrade, then full-upgrade
16:17<aleray>retrospectacus, should I revert my source.list first or can I go on?
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16:17<retrospectacus>no stick with squeeze
16:17<EagleScreen>try it right now
16:18<aleray>thanks a lot
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16:24<aleray>retrospectacus, EagleScreen it worked! many thanks
16:24<retrospectacus>!congratulate aleray
16:24<dpkg>Nice one aleray, you did it!
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16:25<aleray>:-)
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16:53<aleray>another problem... I installed xserver-xorg along with awesome wm, but I don't get any "startx" command...
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16:57<jordanm>aleray: apt-file search bin/startx
16:57<jordanm>!tell aleray about apt-file
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17:01<aleray>jordanm, thanks
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17:14<newb>Hello all, I'm using poedit to create my gettext files. But I'm receiving this error: "system_pt_br.po:39: a format specification for argument 1, as in 'msgstr', doesn't exist in 'msgid' " for lines who have "%s"
17:14<newb>The worse problem is this happens at Linux, not (argh!) Windows machines oO'
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17:22<skydevil>Hi all
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17:24<skydevil>Where is the chan for help ?
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17:25<rudi_s>!tell skydevil about ask
17:25<skydevil>thanks
17:27<skydevil>!tell my debian [under virtualbox] has a problem, I cannot change screen resolution, i installed guest addons, but it doesn't do anything, what must I do ?
17:27<skydevil>-_-
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17:28<rudi_s>skydevil: dpkg is a bot, it's not (yet) smart enough to answer your questions ;-)
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17:29<rudi_s>Not sure about your virtualbox problem though, sorry.
17:29<skydevil>ok ^^'
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17:29<skydevil>i thought it would not appear in public when i write "!tell the thing"
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17:30<skydevil>have you heard about that problem in the forum?
17:30<skydevil>I'm not that good in english, that's why I went here
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17:31<skydevil>I thought somebody speaks french here
17:31<rudi_s>!fr
17:31<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur irc.oftc.net. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.oftc.net.
17:31<skydevil>thanks ^^'
17:31<rudi_s>np
17:32<skydevil>well, i'm going there =P
17:32<skydevil>thanks for your help man =)
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18:16<user5500>can anyone illuminate the way to get modern debian installed on a sharp zaurus sl-5500?
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18:28<Onepamopa>hi, all
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19:24<roo0t>ver irc.allnetwork.net
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19:44<AzaToth>sgrmf; trying to get a nice ps forrest output of all process which have certain sessid... my code has gone mad
19:44<AzaToth>ps ufww --sid=$(ps -C apache2 -o sess --no-headers | sort | uniq | grep -v -E '^ +0$' | awk 'NR==1{x=$0;next}NF{x=x","$0};END{gsub(/[[:space:]]*/,"",x);print x}')
19:45<AzaToth>and I don't even know if I'm donig it right ツ
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20:14<kelly>i need help with my audio
20:14<kelly>it isnt working
20:14<kie27>greetings, am trying to fix a friend's old server which is running etch and has not been upgraded in a long time. when i run apt-get upgrade i get a dpkg error, "unable to create `./usr/bin/dpkg': Permission denied", any ideas how to solve this please? full error here: http://pastebin.com/JJhrnWRT
20:15<kelly>can someone help me
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20:23<kelly>can anyone help me
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20:30<EagleScreen>hello guys
20:30<EagleScreen>kelly: turn on speakers
20:30<EagleScreen>anyone is usually using Debian testing/unstable + GNOME ??
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20:50<kelly>i installed video drivers and my audio is not working now
20:50<kelly>?
20:50<kelly>can anyone help me?
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21:02<amitz>kelly: what's your audio hardware? pastebin your lspci, see if there is a google result about your audio hardware problem.
21:02<EagleScreen>hi kelly
21:02<amitz>EagleScreen: don't ask to ask, just ask ;-)
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21:03<EagleScreen>kelly: how did you install your video drivers?
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21:13<cthuluh>EagleScreen: generally with gnome installed, you only have to aptitude install gstreamer-plugins-{good,bad,ugly}
21:14<EagleScreen>cthuluh: what?
21:14<cthuluh>do you know "aptitude"?
21:15<EagleScreen>lol ofcourse
21:15<cthuluh>then install these plugins
21:15<EagleScreen>cthuluh: sorry, but in order to???
21:16<cthuluh>when you are talking about "video" drivers, what do you mean?
21:16<cthuluh>graphic card?
21:16<cthuluh>or codecs?
21:17<blarson>Any recomendations on celular internet and debian? Providers assume everyone runs doze, and can run their driver. Tethering app for a droid seems to be an option. I think I should go with verizon for coverage reasons.
21:17<EagleScreen>I asked kelly how did her install his video driver to can help him with her audio issue
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21:18<blarson>Would the USB stick work without ever running doze?
21:18<cthuluh>that's really nice of you, EagleScreen , but it does not really answer my question. Do you want to install drivers for your graphic card?
21:20<EagleScreen>negative cthuluh, i'd likie a vulunteer to check if warning by unsafely removed usb-stick is working in Debian testing/unstable Gnome, i think this is implemented by upstream, but i need to confirm to can close a bug
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21:21<cthuluh>EagleScreen: I beg you perdon for not having understood this 8)
21:21<EagleScreen>I am now a KDE user and i'd rather not have to install Gnome
21:21<EagleScreen>dont worry cthuluh
21:22<cthuluh>I'm a little bit retarded, it's late here, maybe should I go to bed :)
21:22<EagleScreen>may be me too
21:22<cthuluh>but now I don't get kelly's problem 8)
21:24<EagleScreen>he told us that after installing video driver her audio resulted broken
21:25<cthuluh>so, you _do_ get his/her problem? maybe a little bit more details could help
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21:26<cthuluh>kelly: do you have something more precise? :)
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21:32<GG>:D
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21:45<EagleScreen>lol kelly was using Ubuntu
21:45<EagleScreen>now i understand everything
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21:48<zigo>Hell, X-Chat is really a stupid software.
21:48<zigo>What other good IRC client is in Debian?
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21:51<qq->!tell zigo about search
21:51<dkr>gui or terminal?
21:51<zigo>GUI
21:52<dkr>aptitude search ~dirc might be useful. heh, actually xchat is the ionly gui one I know. oh, you can use pidgin for irc also
21:52<zigo>qq-: I wouldn't ask without searching, thanks. I'm asking for an ADVICE here.
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21:53<dkr>kvirc?
21:53<qq->konversation
21:53<dkr>what about xchat is bothering you?
21:53<zigo>qq-: Is that the one you use?
21:53<qq->xchat here
21:53<simonrvn>"for ADVICE" "an ADVICE" doesn't make sense. you can say "a piece of advice", maybe you meant that?
21:54<dkr>maybe it was an acronym, :)
21:54<zigo>simonrvn: Thanks.
21:54<EagleScreen>zigo: konversation, quassel
21:55<simonrvn>np dude
21:56<zigo>I was in fact hoping that someone would say: "Year, XChat is stupid, it doesn't even reconnect to multiple servers when you start it, I hate it too, and I use XXXXXX instead which is a way better" ... :P
21:56<qq->zigo, kopete amsn emesene
21:56<qq->gaim
21:57<zigo>qq-: LISTING apps make no sense here, I know how to use apt-cache, but thanks anyway.
21:57<qq->zigo, you know all, why ask ?
21:57<drizzt>simonrvn, 'piece of' advice or news are constructions appearing in English only. I was thinking it's international channel
21:58<zigo>qq-: I'm asking for opinions and share of experience, not a list of software...
21:58<simonrvn>we *are* speaking english here ;)
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21:59<drizzt>which is working files indexer for GTK desktop in Debian?
21:59<zigo>simonrvn: You wish! :) We only pretend we do... :P
21:59<zigo>(apart from native speakers ...)
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22:03<simonrvn>hehe
22:04<simonrvn>i'm no native english speaker either ;)
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22:26<drizzt>come on people, noone use desktop indexing?
22:28<team2>whats that drizzt
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22:29<drizzt>creating full text or metadata search indices for your files
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22:32<team2>i use Recoll
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22:33<team2>btw is it very tough to configure qmail in deb
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22:35<drizzt>it's for KDE >:(
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22:45<centyx>hello. i'm having issues w/ uzbl in squeeze. it's unresponsive to input. has anyone else noticed this behavior?
22:46<centyx>i believe this may have started after a recent update of uzbl or webkit, but i'm not certain. i've wiped out my ~/.config/uzbl/config and let it regenerate a new one, still the same issue.
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23:18<craigevil>centyx: try asking on #uzbl on irc.freenode.net , i havent noticed any issues running uzbl on sid, there is also a uzbl thread on forums.debian.net
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23:40<meowcats>Hi, does debian testing allow install btrfs?
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23:47<qq->, versions btrfs-tools
23:47<judd>btrfs-tools -- squeeze: 0.19-8; sid: 0.19+20100601-2
23:47<qq->dpkg, btrfs
23:47<dpkg>Btrfs (B-tree file system) is a copy on write filesystem for Linux aimed at implementing advanced features while focusing on fault tolerance, repair and easy administration. Merged in the mainline Linux kernel, available in 2.6.29 and later. Filesystem utilities packaged as btrfs-tools. Btrfs is currently not suitable for any use other than for benchmarking and review. http://btrfs.wiki.kernel.org/ #btrfs on irc.freenode.net.
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23:56<meowcats>yay :D
23:56<meowcats>but i meant is it an option in debian installer
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23:57<qq->"not suitable for any use other than for benchmarking and review"
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23:58<meowcats>does "not suitable" mean i cant test?
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