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#debian IRC Logs for 2010-06-12

---Logopened Sat Jun 12 00:00:26 2010
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00:27<pythonic>hi, spashy gives me timeout after 120 seconds.. no messages on socket?
00:28<pythonic>on squeeze
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00:45<amol112>hi all i have installed xserver-xorg-core xorg xfce4
00:45<amol112>how tostart xfce4 ?
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00:45<amol112>i am not having other display manager
00:50<qq->try startx ?
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00:56<amol112>qq-, thanks i will try
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01:03<amandina>nostmith?
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02:04<dutchfish>hi, is it allowed (where can i read it up) to automate advanced bugreporting? (and i dont mean lintian outputs)
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02:20<ansgar>dutchfish: "advanced bug reporting" being what?
02:25<dutchfish>ansgar: a complex of log files and strace/dbug outputs depending on the package and bug, it also contains basic system huntdown logs related to the envirenment
02:28<dutchfish>ansgar: it further uses a triage of snapshots.debian.org to pinpoint out the place in code where the bug is related to
02:28<dutchfish>ansgar: and it tracks down all the depends/rdepends for lib related bugs
02:30<dutchfish>ansgar: after the bug is located a rebuild takes place within pbuilder to verify clean machine state related to that particular bug and reports back its finding
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02:32<ansgar>dutchfish: Will there be a review by a human operator to filter out invalid bugs and irrelevant data? Will you file many bugs (there are guidelines for mass bug filings)?
02:32<ansgar>dutchfish: Also #debian-devel might be a better place for such discussions.
02:33<dutchfish>ansgar: that was my q
02:33<dutchfish>ansgar: there will be no massfiling
02:34<dutchfish>ansgar: bug hunting take splace on a single package invocation only
02:35<dutchfish>ansgar: and can take hours to complete depending on the size and the size of deps.
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02:38<dutchfish>ansgar: my main goal is fire, forget, collect, report if so
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02:41<ansgar>dutchfish: I would say you can do whatever you want to prepare a bug report as long as the bug report is useful (i.e. it should be reviewed by a human). And you should take care when filing lots of bugs. But as said before, #debian-devel would be a better place for asking.
02:41<ansgar>dutchfish: (And I am no DD (yet))
02:42<dutchfish>ansgar: me neither (yet) ;), but thank you at least for your thoughts !
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05:03<cmyers_>hey all - I have a dual-monitor set up using a dual-head Nvidia card, and the nvidia proprietary driver. I run squeeze. Recently, thigns stoped working - the right monitor looks fine but the left monitor is like "zoomed in" and cuts off things along hte edges. I tried installing the newest driver and having nvidia's tool remake my xorg.conf to no avail. Ideals?
05:04<cmyers_>erm, Ideas*?
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05:09<will>#nvidia
05:09<will>(freenode)
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05:10<amol112>hi all ,i have china ipad device with touch screen.i have installed lenny on this but touchscreen is not working
05:11<cmyers_>will: I'll try there, thanks
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05:11<amol112>how to enable touchscreen support in debian lenny
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05:14<amol112>how to find out information of touchscreen using command
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05:15<amol112>like vendor name model name
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05:50<amol112>i am unable to use touchscreen in debain lenny anyone can tell me how to enable touchscreen
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05:55<and1bm>hi, after aptitude upgrade ("Press Return") aptitude segfaulted. Now, when I start aptitude I get: "Ouch! Got SIGSEGV, dying.. Segmentation fault" imediatelly. Anybody else having this problem?
05:56<and1bm>testing, btw
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06:28<arand>I sent an NMU-diff to a bug report some 12h ago, how long does it normally take for stuff to show up in the bug reports?
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06:33<abrotman>arand: you sohuld have gotten a response
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06:36<arand>Hmm, I've gotten no ack of the mail no. I sent it using mutt setup for gmail, and it does show up in my sent folder. Is there some particualr formatting issues I mightve missed?: http://pastebin.org/326030 Do I need to sign with pgp? ...
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06:39<arand>abrotman: ↑ And the actual diff attached to that as well.
06:40<abrotman>who did you send it to ?
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06:42<arand>To: 471642@bugs.debian.org and cc: wdg[at]debian... (being the maintainer)
06:42<abrotman>did a reject maybe end up in oyur spam bucket ?
06:43<abrotman>it normally takes 15-60 minutes
06:43<arand>Hmm, no reject there, should I try resending it?
06:44<arand>And if I "edit as new" in TB, do you thing the formatting will survive? (I have it set for plaintext)
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06:46<the-dude>I just send a bug report and it is already there, so it took < 5 minutes
06:47<arand>Hmm, I just sent it to myself to test mutt, and that seemed to work fine...
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06:52<arand>Hmm, if I miss the bcc to control@debian.org, could that be a cause?
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07:18<amol112>hi all ,how to enable touchscreen in XFCE debian lenny
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07:40<ahmed>hi
07:41<ahmed>im ahmed from syria
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07:41<ahmed>hoe r u
07:41<ahmed>how
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07:42<ahmed>can some one help me
07:43<cthuluh>how are you, ahmed . come on, ask your question :)
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07:44<ahmed>i cant run all exe in liunx
07:44<ahmed>loool
07:44<will>X-D
07:45<cthuluh>you need to: 1) ask yourself why you need .exe . 2) install wine.
07:45<ahmed>wine is exist
07:45<cthuluh>yes, it does exist.
07:46<Myon>yhbt
07:47<cthuluh>hmmm, not sure.
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07:50<ahmed>you mean confgiure
07:50<ahmed>win
07:50<ahmed>wine
07:50<ahmed>all in this chat is hacker
07:51<ahmed>?
07:52<ahmed>^_^
07:52<ahmed>were are u goo
07:52<locklace>!u
07:52<dpkg>Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201
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08:18<annubabu>Hello Everyone
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08:40<annubabu>could anyone help me with certain challenges i'm facing with respect to installing kdm on debian?
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08:49<alejandro>hola
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08:50<annubabu>hello
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09:04<abrotman>annubabu: just ask your real question
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09:06<annubabu>i have installed kdm, but once i login it takes me to the text mode
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09:06<annubabu>i don't get the GUI interfce
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09:07<abrotman>login via kdm ?
09:07<abrotman>or login at the console
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09:17<iseit>where the manual jobs??
09:18<annubabu>sorry didn't get that
09:18<abrotman>annubabu: login via KDM or the console ?
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09:22<johnfg>hi guys
09:22<iseit>canal en español
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09:23<zem>!es
09:23<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat
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10:03<doscript>hey
10:03<doscript>anybody there?
10:04<doscript>lol nobody's here
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10:04<doscript>hey unmensch
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10:08<elias>Hi all, someone tried the package named radiotray under xfce ?
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10:11<GeorgeDorn>Is there a program that will make connecting to wireless easier? I mean something along the lines of what windows does, find them all and let me select?
10:12<GeorgeDorn>I've tried with network-manager but it doesn't seem to do what i want.
10:12<dvs>GeorgeDorn: people like wicd but I haven't used it myself
10:13<GeorgeDorn>looks promising. thx.
10:14<dvs>np
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10:19<abrotman>GeorgeDorn: network-manager does do that
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10:21<GeorgeDorn>yes so it says but i've never had any succe with network-manager. when i start that i have to manually input everything. ive been using iwlist and iwconfig so far but its starting to annoy me.
10:22<GeorgeDorn>wicd seems to do exactly what i want
10:22<GeorgeDorn>and it looks nice too
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10:28<zamolxe>hi everybody
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10:33<administrator>pardon my ignorance but how can I install kernel 2.6.33/34 in squeeze (without compiling)?
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10:35<craigevil>administrator: install from experimental, use a liquorix kernel or compile :)
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10:36<administrator>does it mean mixing repositories?
10:37<administrator>another way: will the kernel from ubuntu work?
10:37<craigevil>administrator: if you install from exp yes, try the liquorix kernel its a 3rd party repo and not supported in #debian but it works well
10:38<abrotman>administrator: no one here will tlel you to use an ubuntu kernel ... you'd be on your own
10:38<abrotman>administrator: why do you need tha tkernel ?
10:38<craigevil>administrator: do not mix ubuntu and debian packages if you want your system to keep working
10:38<efbine>or try the kernel form the sidux repos
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10:38<abrotman>or find out why he needs a newer kernel
10:39<craigevil>because its shiny
10:39<rudi_s>!sns
10:39<dpkg>Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>.
10:39<efbine>abrotman .......... that's the best idea :)
10:39<administrator>My reason: there is a bug in rt2860 wifi driver in 2.6.32. In ubuntu it's fixed in 2.6.33/34.
10:39<abrotman>administrator: are you sure the fix hasn't been backported?
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10:40<abrotman>or he didn't care
10:40<craigevil>oh well 10 to 1 he tries an ubuntu kernel and comes back crying about a broken system
10:41<abrotman>isn't liquorix based on ubuntu ?
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10:42<craigevil>no,, damentz the liquorix maintainer is working on porting it to ubuntu, atm it works on testing and sid
10:42<administrator>sorry i've lost connection
10:42<abrotman>i thought it was a whole distro
10:42<abrotman>administrator: are you sure the fix hasn't been backported to the squueeze kernel ?
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10:43<administrator>no I can't connect to ap with wpa/wpa2
10:43<abrotman>with which kernel ?
10:44<abrotman>did you install the firmware?
10:44<administrator>2.6.32-5
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10:44<administrator>yes firmare is installed
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10:45<abrotman>is the bug in the debian bts?
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10:45<administrator>I don't know its my 3rd day in debian
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10:46<abrotman>bugs.debian.org
10:47<administrator>shall i report it?
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10:48<administrator>here is a report for ubuntu: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-release-notes/+bug/496093
10:51<abrotman>administrator: that's pretty old
10:52<administrator>yes but fixed only in newer kernel, not in 2.6.32...
10:55<abrotman>administrator: do you have a link to the actual patch ?
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10:58<administrator>abrotman: sorry, no
10:58<abrotman>http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=575726 .. so that's not it ?
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10:58<aNiiTa>o0la
10:59<abrotman>administrator: if there is a patch to fix it, and you can link to it, you'd be smart to file a bug and include that so that it can be fixed for yourself and others
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11:00<administrator>abrotman: will try to find it now
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11:14<abrotman>administrator: you may also want to ask #debian-kernel if thta bug has been resolved in the debian/squeeze kernel
11:14<administrator>abrot: this is this bug: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=574766
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11:18<abrotman>not really any useful info there
11:18<abrotman>you may want to help them by pointing them to the patch for it
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11:35<Dreakon>Hey guys, in a recent Debian Testing upgrade it added another linux kernel to GRUB when my system boots, however both of kernels in GRUB have the same name. Is it possible to go in and edit one of them out?
11:37<abrotman>which two ?
11:38<will>gksu -u root gedit /boot/grub/menu.lst
11:38<abrotman>wtf
11:38<abrotman>i think he's asking about the "Rescue" one
11:39<Dreakon>Nah, it added another one. I don't remember the exact name though...
11:39<Dreakon>There are 4 options in there now.
11:39<will>edit your menu.lst
11:40<Dreakon>will, that particular command is bringing up an empty file.
11:40<abrotman>he's using grub2
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11:40<abrotman>Dreakon: it'd be better if you knew the actual names
11:40<will>indeed
11:40<Dreakon>Well, when I booted it didn't say GRUB 2.0 actually...
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11:40<Dreakon>I can go look I suppose.
11:41<ikey>I installed the readahead package, and now when I boot I get the error "udevd error binding control socket, seems udevd is already running", which stops all of my hardware working, even though i get to the desktop. I purged readahead, but the problem remains. Anyone know of a workaround/fix?
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11:41<will>edit your grub.cfg
11:42<Dreakon>grub.cfg says right at the top "DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE"
11:42<will>...
11:42<will>indeed
11:42<will>there's a tool for that
11:43<will>I don't remember the name
11:43<jpinx-eeepc>Dreakon: isn't there a way that grub can be made to reconfigure itself - I seem to remember that in the old grub
11:43<ikey>grub-update ?
11:43<Torsten_W>update-grub
11:43<jpinx-eeepc>sounds good :)
11:43<ikey>one or t'other :)
11:43<will>update-grub
11:43<Torsten_W>and the values came from /etc/defaults/grub and /etc/grub.d
11:44<Dreakon>I ran that a second ago just fiddling around. Should I try restarting?
11:44<ikey>Better question.. How would I regenerate the init.d scripts for udev ?
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11:45<ikey>Or.. the whole insserv thing
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11:50<Dreakon>Alrighty, I was wrong, the two kernel options weren't the same, I just didn't look close enough. It's kernel 2.6.32-5-686 and 2.6.32-5-686.
11:50<Dreakon>errrr
11:50<Dreakon>the second one is supposed to be 2.6.32-3-686
11:51<Dreakon>Regardless, it says GRUB 1.98 at the top. :-/ And the menu.lst I edited is empty...
11:51<craigevil>ikey: you can try dpkg-reconfigure insserv
11:51<ikey>Didnt work craigevil, I think somehow udev is being started again in runlevel3
11:51<ikey>update-rc.d udev disable 3 is ok?
11:51<craigevil>Dreakon: grub 1.98 is grub2
11:52<Dreakon>Oh, ha. That's confusing.
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11:53<Dreakon>Alrighty, what's the best way to go about removing a menu entry in grub2 then?
11:53<ikey>nano. *coughs*
11:53<ikey>brb
11:53<craigevil>Dreakon: remove the kernel that you dont want
11:53<ikey>update-grub after a package removal should suffice
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11:58<Dreakon>Alrighty, that makes sense. Thanks for the help guys!
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13:12<dbvolio>who can help me configure best a web server ?? plsss
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13:26<dbvolio>i have installed openssh-server
13:27<dbvolio>and it won't connect through putty to my server
13:27<dbvolio>:(((
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13:28<ebrahim>dbvolio, can you ping your server? how about telnetting to its port 22?
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13:40<Bali>I NEED HELP
13:41<petemc>your caps lock key is stuck?
13:41<ebrahim>petemc, he said! he needs help!
13:41<ebrahim>Bali, pull it.
13:43<Bali>i need install tcl on my root
13:43<petemc>aptitude install tcl
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13:44<Bali>Tcl cannot be found on this system.
13:44<Bali>:(
13:45<Bali>i can`t install egg :(
13:45<abrotman>you mean the headers to compile your irc bot ?
13:45*abrotman gets bonus points for guessing correctly!
13:45<petemc>!win abrotman
13:45<dpkg>Congratulations, abrotman! You have won the US presidency!
13:45<Bali>yeah
13:45<abrotman>Bali: aptitude install tcl-dev
13:46<Bali>yeah but can give me all command ...
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13:46<abrotman>Bali: aptitude install tcl-dev
13:46<Bali>bash-3.2# aptitude install tcl-dev
13:46<Bali>-bash: aptitude: command not found
13:46<weasel>then use apt-get
13:47<locklace>he's probably running backtrack or something
13:47<Bali>bash-3.2# apt-get install tcl-dev
13:47<Bali>-bash: apt-get: command not found
13:47<abrotman>Bali: tcl8.3-dev
13:47<abrotman>wtf
13:47<abrotman>Bali: what does `uname -r` say ?
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13:47<Bali>-bash-3.2# uname -r
13:47<Bali>2.6.26.8-57.fc8
13:48<elias>hehe
13:48<abrotman>So you're using Fedora?
13:48<weasel>go away
13:48<abrotman>Bali: why are you asking #debian about Fedora ?
13:49<Bali>bro i don`t know i search on google and i look this server
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13:49<weasel>abrotman: ooi, why uname -r and not lsb_release -i?
13:49<petemc>bash: lsb_release: command not found
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13:50<weasel>petemc: that almost proves you're running debian :)
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13:50<sadsadsa->sorry my net its not good
13:50<dbvolio>helpp
13:50<petemc>heh
13:50<abrotman>Bali: try #fedora on irc.freenode.net
13:50<dbvolio>it won't install mysql:((
13:50<dbvolio>it says
13:50<dbvolio>:
13:51<abrotman>sadsadsa-: try #fedora on irc.freenode.net
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13:51<abrotman>weasel: habit?
13:51<dbvolio>some packages could not be ibnstalled
13:51<ebrahim>lol!
13:51<sadsadsa->ok tnx abrotman
13:51<dbvolio>how to install??
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13:52<dbvolio>if i hit aptitude update my ftp.debian.org it is inaccessible
13:53<dbvolio>i need another source link?
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13:57<jhutchins_lt>!tell dbvolio about sources
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14:47<sortadi>anybody around?
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14:48<rudi_s>!ask
14:48<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
14:49<GeorgeDorn>none here no
14:49<sortadi>I can't play xvid encoded avi files using Debian Squeeze AMD64
14:49<sortadi>it says Xvid codec null when trying to play a avi afile
14:49<sortadi>*file
14:49<sortadi>but I can still listen to the audio
14:49<GeorgeDorn>what player are you using? you trying to play them in a browser?
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14:50<GeorgeDorn>or with a standalone app
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14:50<sortadi>GeorgeDorn, I've tried several: mplayer, xine, kaffeine, vlc
14:50<sortadi>GeorgeDorn, all of them same behaviour
14:50<abrotman>avi is a container
14:50<sortadi>GeorgeDorn, The movie starts playing, you can her the sound but no image
14:51<sortadi>hear
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14:51<GeorgeDorn>well im sure its not really a debian problem. you probably need a codec of sorts. have you tried with vlc?
14:51<GeorgeDorn>it ships with the codecs
14:51<GeorgeDorn>should narrow the problem down
14:51<sortadi>what the heck
14:52<sortadi>mplayer through console plays it well
14:52<GeorgeDorn>with the video?
14:52<GeorgeDorn>oh you said vlc up there
14:52<GeorgeDorn>my bad
14:52<sortadi>GeorgeDorn, yes
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14:53<GeorgeDorn>this is with *all* avi files? not just some..?
14:53<GeorgeDorn>or one :)
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14:54<krtek>hello
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14:55<sortadi>GeorgeDorn, apparently all of the video files i have
14:55<GeorgeDorn>I'm running sid amd64 and I have no problems at all playing avi with various programs. youd expect me to have problems if something was amiss with the OS
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14:56<GeorgeDorn>"running". sorry geeks. wrong terminology.
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14:56<GeorgeDorn>abrotman? :)
14:56<abrotman>?
14:57<GeorgeDorn>you are always full of solutions. :)
14:57<sortadi>GeorgeDorn, let me restart to check if it's not an X11 issue
14:57<GeorgeDorn>idd
14:57<abrotman>avi is a container, not a format
14:57<GeorgeDorn>what do you mean. that no codec is used for avi?
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14:58<GeorgeDorn>abrotman: may I ask you something in PM?
14:58<abrotman>you can
14:58<abrotman>be quick about it!
14:58<abrotman>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audio_Video_Interleave
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15:05<ebrahim>If I port a GPL JavaScript code to C++, may I change its license? In other words is a ported code, derivate work?
15:05<GeorgeDorn>the GPL is pretty clear. read it again.
15:05<ebrahim>aah...
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15:05<GeorgeDorn>if you translate it directly its probably not even derivative
15:06<sortadi>GeorgeDorn, done
15:06<sortadi>GeorgeDorn, it was, indeed, an X11 issue
15:06<GeorgeDorn>so.. it works now.?!
15:06<sortadi>GeorgeDorn, yes
15:06<GeorgeDorn>im surprised. you solved it yourself.
15:06<sortadi>hehehe
15:06<GeorgeDorn>you just needed some feedback
15:06<GeorgeDorn>:)
15:07<sortadi>GeorgeDorn, this last week I had been trying some composite stuff
15:07<sortadi>GeorgeDorn, activating and deactiving visual effects and such
15:07<sortadi>and I hadn't done any restart to my system
15:08<sortadi>it had been on for 4-5 days straight I think
15:08<GeorgeDorn>ah
15:08<GeorgeDorn>do a quick upgrade when youre ad it
15:08<GeorgeDorn>charge it to the same account
15:08<GeorgeDorn>trust me.
15:08<GeorgeDorn>ive been there
15:09<GeorgeDorn>when you have the server down. update it.
15:09<GeorgeDorn>noone knows when youll have the chance again
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15:10<GeorgeDorn>if youre truly running debian and you know how to connect here just do it
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15:16<ebrahim>GeorgeDorn, I can't understand "in a fasion requiring copyright permission" in "To “modify” a work means to copy from or adapt all or part of the work in a fashion requiring copyright permission"
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15:17<GeorgeDorn>sheez. give me alink to the actual licence
15:18<GeorgeDorn>ofcourse you need a lawyer really but really. for all practical purposes you dont. noone really cares.
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15:19<ebrahim>GeorgeDorn, this is it: https://bitbucket.org/ebrahim/prayertimes/src/tip/prayertimes.hpp
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15:20<ebrahim>GeorgeDorn, I want to see if I can relicense my C++ lib under a GPL-incompatible license.
15:20<ebrahim>If not, what about using the algorithms in a GPL-incompatible code?
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15:21<ebrahim>porting from JavaScript to C++ involved many changes. Even I can call it a redesign of library.
15:21<GeorgeDorn>is that the full gpl?
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15:22<ebrahim>GeorgeDorn, full GPL is here: http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/gpl.html
15:22<GeorgeDorn>i saw the word islam in there which im sure will open a can of nasty worms
15:22<GeorgeDorn>idd
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15:23<GeorgeDorn>i think the keyword with the GPL is "intuitively"
15:23<GeorgeDorn>do you think your plan is in contradiction with gpl?
15:23<GeorgeDorn>intuitively?
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15:23<GeorgeDorn>im not a lqywer
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15:24<GeorgeDorn>youre not
15:24<GeorgeDorn>so
15:24<GeorgeDorn>intuitively
15:24<GeorgeDorn>...
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15:26<ebrahim>GeorgeDorn, I can't find "intuitive" in GPL
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15:27<GeorgeDorn>ha
15:27<GeorgeDorn>no i would expect
15:27<GeorgeDorn>my point is that im not a lqyer
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15:27<GeorgeDorn>laywer
15:27<ebrahim>:)
15:27<ebrahim>OK
15:27<GeorgeDorn>:)
15:28<GeorgeDorn>i can help with technical problems
15:28<GeorgeDorn>and thats really it
15:28<GeorgeDorn>math, programming
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15:29<GeorgeDorn>judicial crap youll have to ask
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15:29<GeorgeDorn>my friend the cookie monster :D
15:30<GeorgeDorn>funny thing is its saturday here. only reason im here still is that...
15:30<GeorgeDorn>i dont know
15:30<GeorgeDorn>im off
15:30<GeorgeDorn>cyalater :D
15:30<ebrahim>GeorgeDorn, BTW are you drunk?
15:30<GeorgeDorn>yes. it started an hour ago
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15:30<GeorgeDorn>i got off and i ended up here
15:31<kbx>On a MacBook 2,1, the internal USB keyboard is dead at the LUKS prompt at bootup on a MacBook 2,1 with the current 2.6.32 Debian Kernel.
15:31<ebrahim>I should have guessed.
15:31<GeorgeDorn>sorry
15:31<GeorgeDorn>ill be here tommorrow
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15:31<GeorgeDorn>sober
15:31<GeorgeDorn>not often this happens
15:31<GeorgeDorn>but damn
15:31<GeorgeDorn>i need a pasuse now and then
15:32<ebrahim>kbx, is it a hardware issue?
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15:37<patrick>ebrahim, i think copyright laws are applicable when porting to another language
15:37<patrick>might also depend on your country
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15:38<ebrahim>patrick, let's assume my lib is also GPL. May I reinplement some algorithm of that file in an incompatible code?
15:40<patrick>"that file" is another person's code?
15:40<ebrahim>patrick, no. my GPL C++ code which is port of some GPL JavaScript code.
15:41<patrick>okay then what is "that file"?
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15:41<ebrahim>patrick, file of my code.
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15:42<patrick>si am not sure what u mean by " May I reinplement some algorithm of that file in an incompatible code"
15:42<krtek>[b]Help[/b]
15:42<patrick>-si + sorry,
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15:43<krtek>[i]HThis algorithm?[/i]
15:43<ebrahim>patrick, I rephrase it: I have a GPL C++ code which is port of some GPL JavaScript code of someone else. May I reinplement some of its algorithms in an incompatibly-licensed code?
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15:44<patrick>generally, no, depends on your own legal situation
15:45<patrick>you ported the code by reverse engineering examination
15:45<patrick>normally then it is still under the original copyrights
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15:45<krtek>Re: [u]generally, no, depends on your own legal situation[/u]
15:45<ebrahim>patrick, I ported it by reading the JavaScript source code. Is that counted as RE?
15:46<patrick>yes
15:46<patrick>but i dont know in which country you live
15:46<ebrahim>patrick, Iran
15:46<patrick>then your laws may be different
15:46<ebrahim>patrick, but I want the resulting code to be usable allover the world.
15:47<ebrahim>for example an LGPL lib.
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15:48<bremner>ebrahim: did you ask the original author about relicensing?
15:48<ebrahim>bremner, that's my last option. haven't done it yet.
15:48<patrick>you can not release ported code under LGPL without authorization of the original author, normally you may reverse engineer a program and add a "modicum of originality", then you may relicense it
15:48<ebrahim>he's a nice man. I almost know him.
15:49<ebrahim>patrick, the C++ class needed a new design. not all JavaScript code could be ported directly. is that a "modicum of originality"?
15:49<patrick>no
15:50<ebrahim>patrick, what about adding new conveniece API?
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15:50<krtek>http://debian.org
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15:51<patrick>i think "modicum of originality" is more like examining a toaster's heat spiral and apply that technique in a hair dryer
15:51<patrick>so i think it does not apply to your case
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15:55<ebrahim>patrick, thanks for the help.
15:58<patrick>np, you may check http://digital-law-online.info/lpdi1.0/treatise25.html
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15:58<krtek>Hello
16:01<ebrahim>Hi krtek
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17:10<alwar>hello?
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19:42<hackko>hi
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21:15<andagel>hola gente !!!
21:16<andagel>algien me puede dar un poco de ayuda
21:16<gravity>!es
21:16<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat
21:16<andagel>perdon gracias
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22:47<gibblet>hi, room
22:48<gibblet>running Sid on a G1 black macbook, and with the touchpad, two-finger scrolling works out of the box, but not tapping the pad to do a left or right click
22:48<gibblet>any suggestions? I'm poking at xinput, but i don't wanna break scrolling
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22:58<Dreakon>Hey guys, would it be possible to make a nautilus script in GNOME that functions where if I right-click a folder, it opens a random file in that folder?
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23:13<flower>jlk
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23:17<lucero>HI
23:17<lucero>HOLA
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23:22<etfb>I'm trying to install PHP5 on a very old Sarge machine, but all the old repositories that used to make it possible (people.debian.org/~dexter, dotdeb.org) are offline or don't have the right stuff any more. Is there an ancient copy of everything I need anywhere, or do I need to tell my boss that he has to take his server down and upgrade to Lenny?
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23:28<etfb>Does apt-get -s dist-upgrade give a reliable answer (ie "this is what would be upgraded") if your sources.list only contains references to your old version?
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23:28<etfb>That is, if I have a bunch of deb http://.../.../ sarge main and so on, will it still tell me how to upgrade to Lenny?
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23:30<abrotman>a) don't use sarge b) don't use dotdeb
23:31<abrotman>sarge hasn't had security updates since like .. 2007 ?
23:32<simonrvn>!lenny release notes
23:32<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, lenny release notes is at http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/releasenotes . See also http://bugs.debian.org/release-notes and http://wiki.debian.org/NewInLenny . Also ask me about <i-g>, <installer firmware>, <etch->lenny key>, <errata>.
23:32<simonrvn>!etch release notes
23:32<dpkg>i heard etch release notes is at http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/releasenotes . Also ask me about <errata etch>.
23:32<simonrvn>etfb: ^^^
23:33<simonrvn>etfb: and tell your boss that you'll need to reboot for a new kernel
23:33<etfb>abrotman, Believe me, I know. My boss is suitably embarrassed.
23:33<abrotman>embarrassed ? not really the word i'd use ..
23:33<simonrvn>slow?
23:34<simonrvn>as in tardy
23:34<abrotman>if it's internal, it's not awful .. but really you shouldn't be using sarge
23:34<etfb>abrotman, Well, it's hard to pick up emotional cues via the chat program (he's in Canberra, I'm in Tasmania) so he may be deeply deeply disturbed, but his typing looks embarrassed...
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23:35<abrotman>heh
23:35<abrotman>he must use comic chat
23:35<abrotman>etfb: really, lenny will be better in so many ways
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23:36<etfb>So, newbie question: when your sources.list is full of references to sarge, and you type apt-get dist-upgrade, how does it know what to do? Are there pointers within the repositories?
23:37<simonrvn>no. no.
23:37<etfb>In particular, will it upgrade all the way to the latest, or only to version N+1?
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23:37<simonrvn>you manually/programatically edit it
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23:40<etfb>simonrvn, is it the same in Ubuntu? I'm mainly familiar with that (good old Spaceman Linux) and not so much with pure Debian.
23:40<simonrvn>*blink*
23:41<simonrvn>what's the same? what does ubuntu have to do with this?
23:41<jonathan2>etfb: there's something like a archive/ directory on ftp.debian.org that has old versions
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23:43<etfb>simonrvn, I mean in the sense that Ubuntu seems to happily tell me "there's a new version, why not make your life miserab^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hhappy and upgrade?" without me needing to edit sources.list, so I thought maybe it's a different situation.
23:43<etfb>jonathan2, true, but my problem is that I want PHP5 in Sarge, and that was never officially supported, which is why dotdeb used to be the preferred repository.
23:44<simonrvn>what ubuntu does is irrelevant
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23:45<etfb>simonrvn, I figured that would be the case, I was just asking so I could see if I understood. Like if you were advising me on how to say something in French and I asked if that was like a similar phrase in Italian. Doesn't imply a value judgement about pasta vs snails...
23:46<simonrvn>both are good, imo ;p
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23:48<etfb>Anyhow, it appears that the server farm's cyberdrones may be able to fix things, including doing the upgrade, so that saves me a bit of hassle. Will take time, so in the meantime I guess I need to rewrite my PHP5 to work in PHP4. And maybe do the documentation in Latin while I'm at it...
23:48<etfb>Thanks anyhow.
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