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00:13<iuvat>Flash sound is being strange. It works for a while, then stops working for seemingly no reason until I restart the browser
00:15<iuvat>Any suggestions, or are we all clueless/idle?
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00:17*jmad980 votes for idle
00:17<jmad980>flash having problems is nothing supprising :/
00:18<iuvat>Yep, I've googled, but some files that are refrenced aren't there, and some things don't help, etc.
00:18<iuvat>I figured its pretty common, and I'd ask here before I broke anything too badly.
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00:19<RAMON>CXV
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00:19<jmad980>I haven't had problems with that, it just crashes my browser randomly :/
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00:20<iuvat>Heh. I've resorted to opening up Epiphany whenever I need to play a flash game/youtube
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00:21<st>how to install divx+wma gstreamer drivers in debian?
00:21<andyx>!divx
00:21<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, divx is de-encoded with xmps under linux, or http://divx.ctw.cc, or a new video compression system that takes up 15% of the space of some other video compression algorithm :o), or xine will work too with divxc32.dll, or http://thot.banki.hu/mp-ftp/releases/w32codec.zip Please use XviD instead (not OpenDivX nor DivX4)
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00:22<andyx>!wma
00:22<dpkg>it has been said that wma is Windows Media Audio, a proprietary audio data compression technology developed by Microsoft. Can be played with <xine>-based players, <vlc>, <mplayer> and <mpd>.
00:22<st>but i need gstreamer
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00:23<andyx>!gstreamer
00:23<dpkg>GStreamer is a multimedia framework finding widespread use in various applications like <rhythmbox>, <totem> etc. It is configured with gstreamer-properties. gst123 is a GStreamer-based command line player. http://gstreamer.freedesktop.org/data/doc/gstreamer/head/faq/html/ http://www.gstreamer.net/ #gstreamer on irc.freenode.net. See also <w32codecs>.
00:23<st>!w32codecs
00:23<dpkg>w32codecs is a <non-free> package not distributed by Debian due to legal issues. The package provides codecs for several multimedia formats, such as DivX ;-), RealAudio/RealVideo, and Windows Media. To get w32codecs, ask me about <debian-multimedia>. If you are looking for similar plugins for <gstreamer>, then look at the gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly and gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg-full packages.
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00:24<iuvat>My problem is mostly that its hard to google 'flash sound stops after a while'. Because it does work in the beginning at least.
00:25<andyx>!flash
00:25<dpkg>Flash is frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> or <swfdec> for free implementations, ask about <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation. http://wiki.debian.org/Flash
00:25<st>!debian-multimedia
00:25<dpkg>[dmm] Debian Multimedia is a repository of unofficial packages maintained by Christian Marillat, not in Debian for patent-related reasons. For information on how to access, see http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm lenny> <dmm squeeze>. During 2010, this repository grew a non-free part, with all binary-only packages moved there; you may need to add " non-free" to your sources lines. See also <dmm list>.
00:25<st>!dmm squeeze
00:25<dpkg>To add the debian-multimedia repository run (as root) # echo "deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org/ squeeze main non-free" >> /etc/apt/sources.list; aptitude update && aptitude install debian-multimedia-keyring && aptitude update. For an alternative way to load Marillat's archive key, ask me about <apt-key 1F41B907>.
00:25<andyx>!tell st about selftell
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00:45<iuvat>I installed flash from the nonfree repository and its working (at least so far). I guess i'll know in a while if I have the same problem.
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00:47<prem>in my squeeze ..,splashy always get delays by few seconds and before starting the gdm also it just finish off early..
00:48<prem>and when i check in the tty1 after login.,it shows "SPLASHY ERROR: connection refuesd" continously
00:48<prem>is splashy still a bug in debian..?
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01:23<jm_>what's the rationale for the Debian sudo patch which prevents one from removing XAUTHORITY file from environment?
01:23<jm_>sorry environment var, not file
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01:35<prem>in every reboot .,splashy throws text messages before it actually starts..why is it happening..?
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01:36<prem>and though i can see splashy mesage..there is a "Connection refused" error getting displayed continously in the console..
01:36<Torsten_W>splashy is crap, broken by design
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02:41<amol112>hi all,i have touchscreen device but it is not detected,cat /proc/bus/input/devices also not showing device
02:41<amol112>is there any way to find device vendor details?
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02:44<jm_>what kind of device is it?
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02:46<amol112>jm_, it is ARM based MID device
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02:47<tampa_tom>amol112: its a handheld?
02:47<jm_>amol112: USB?
02:47<amol112>tamiko, yes
02:48<amol112>jm_, lsusb not showing any info about this device
02:48<amol112>it is not usb device
02:48<amol112>as well not detected by kernel while booting
02:48<tampa_tom>amol112: who is the manufacturer?
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02:48<matlads>hi guys and gals
02:48<amol112>tampa_tom, that is only i am trying to get.
02:49<amol112>tampa_tom, no info on device
02:49<matlads>can anyone recommend a good monitoring tool for linux?
02:49<matlads>it should be flexible, but also capable of great detail
02:49<tampa_tom>amol112: give me a minute
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02:51<tampa_tom>amol112: have you tried looking on the back of the device?
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02:52<amol112>tampa_tom, yes only serial number is mentioned
02:52<tampa_tom>amol112: no model number or any thing?
02:53<amol112>tampa_tom, nothing related model or vendor
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02:53<amol112>tampa_tom, board and processor is wondermedia
02:53<tampa_tom>amol112: hoe many buttonds on the front?
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02:53<tampa_tom>buttons*
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02:54<tampa_tom>how*
02:54<amol112>tampa_tom, it is touchscreen device having 1 button
02:54<tampa_tom>amol112: yikes hang on
02:54<amol112>button used in WINCE for keyboard
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02:55<tampa_tom>amol112: what is your serial number?
02:56<tampa_tom>amol112: you are probably going to need to find a driver for it. i had to do this for my palm devices
02:57<tampa_tom>until i installed gnu/linux on them
02:57<amol112>tampa_tom, yes
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02:58<amol112>CM C070IDW3-A20 BS286H-03 BP10031502967
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02:58<amol112>tampa_tom, this info is on touchscreen backpanel
02:59<amol112>CM C070IDW3-A20 BS286H-03 BP10031502967
03:00<tampa_tom>amol112: what color is it?
03:00<amol112>amol112, black
03:01<amol112>tampa_tom, device is similar as iped taiwan based
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03:12<tampa_tom>amol112: you connect it with a serial cable right?
03:12<tampa_tom>amol112: 7 inch screen?
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03:16<amol112>tampa_tom, yes
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03:17<amol112>tampa_tom, as per googling same device is works in android
03:18<tampa_tom>amol112: if its a wince device you may need to get the wince drivers
03:18<amol112>tampa_tom, i have installed debian armel lenny
03:18<amol112>in wince device works perfect
03:19<amol112>touchscreen is not working in debian lenny
03:19<tampa_tom>amol112: i am not familiar with these devices mostly with palm top computers ala palm and ipaq
03:19<tampa_tom>amol112: you might wanna check with handheld.org
03:20<amol112>tampa_tom, thanks
03:20<tampa_tom>amol112: or try a flavor of opie, qtopia or familiar
03:20<tampa_tom>amol112: also hackndev has done some work of kernel drivers etc for palmtop/handheld computers
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03:23<newan>Hallo, ich habe die backports in der sources.list eingetragen und wollte rouncube (webmailer) installieren, bekomme aber den fehler das das Packet kaputt sei: Die folgenden Pakete sind KAPUTT: roundcube-core
03:24<tampa_tom>amol112: also take a look at tuxmobil.org
03:24<tampa_tom>amol112: sorry im not more of a hacker that can provide technical help
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03:24<amol112>tampa_tom, not an issue.
03:24<tampa_tom>!de
03:24<dpkg>Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de).
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03:25<newan>o.k thank -> debian.de ;-)
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04:36<digifor>There is no desktop tab in pcmanfm with Squeeze. Is there a command line way to bring it up?
04:37<tampa_tom>digifor: have you asked #lxde ?
04:38<tampa_tom>digifor: you mean in the side bar right?
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04:39<digifor>Just asking now. It should show up when you go into edit>preferences
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04:40<digifor>I need to turn off the icons. It is overwriting my Background
04:42<tampa_tom>digifor: if you turn off the desktop icons it disables pcmanfm's ability to manage the desktop
04:42<tampa_tom>if thats what you're talking about
04:42<tampa_tom>I stopped using pcmanfm because it has a lot of problems
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04:44<digifor>tampa_tom, exactly what I need to do. It is buggy as hell.
04:44<tampa_tom>digifor: are you using lxde?
04:44<digifor>yes
04:46<tampa_tom>digifor: you're using squeeze versions of both?
04:46<digifor>yes
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04:50<prem>is there a way to enable/disable "kill x session" using gconftool..?
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04:51<digifor>tampa_tom, is there a solution to this lxde thing in squeeze?
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04:54<tampa_tom>digifor: #lxde is the best place for help on this one
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04:58<digifor>tampa_tom, chatting there also.
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04:58<tampa_tom>digifor: use version 5
05:00<tampa_tom>or ccheck out thunar
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05:07<digifor>tampa_tom, do you mean 0.9.5?
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05:08<tampa_tom>digifor: 0.5
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05:11<tampa_tom>digifor: but if you use another FM its gonna cause problems because they are so closely linked
05:12<tampa_tom>digifor: i just backed down to 0.5 because it is somewhat needed for desktop management
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05:32<nsousa>hi guys, has anyone faced the problem of booting XEN from the new GRUB2?
05:32<inmi>sisi
05:33<nsousa>and have you solved it?
05:33<tampa_tom>nsousa: still?
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05:33<inmi>ginibydmiu
05:33<nsousa>tampa_still
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05:33<nsousa>beware that on my time table I went home and tried so sleetp :P
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05:34<tampa_tom>!sleep
05:34<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, sleep is for wimpy organic beings. Or, sleep is probably a poor substitute for coffee or for mortals or for the weak or the glory of the cowards and the un-caffeinateds. :-) or the activity of choice for the intelligent person or time which could be spent hacking the planet.. or .. whatever .. ZZzzzz ... fsck: warning: /dev/brain has gone countless hours without being checked. Check forced. zZZzzzz... *zonk*
05:34<inmi>zzzz sois unos pajos
05:35<themill>!es-social inmi
05:35<dpkg>inmi: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador por favor ingresa al canal social de #debian-es con /join #debian-es-cachondeo. Tus amigos probablemente ya esten ahi.
05:35<nsousa>very, another question, KVM? yes?
05:35<inmi>no ???
05:36<tampa_tom>nsousa: yes
05:36<nsousa>if can't put XEN to work, i'll move along...
05:36<inmi>i dont sepak ingles very much
05:36<nsousa>inmi: espanhol mano?
05:37<inmi>yes si
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05:40<nsousa>ok
05:40<nsousa>any problems between KVM and LVM?
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05:41<berto>nsousa: what does KVM have to do with LVM ?
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05:42<nsousa>I was intending on creating my virtual machines on LVM partitions
05:42<nsousa>and I know that on XEN this has some beneficts
05:42<berto>nsousa: ah, there's no problem with that
05:42<nsousa>ok
05:42<nsousa>ok
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06:02<SoloFlyer>nsousa: you find what you needed?
06:03<nsousa>about xen ou kvm?
06:03<nsousa>xen, no
06:03<SoloFlyer>xen
06:03<nsousa>no
06:03<nsousa>no solution
06:03<SoloFlyer>let me see if i can dig up the code i used
06:03<nsousa>you use grub2?
06:03<SoloFlyer>i "used" grub2 with xen
06:04<SoloFlyer>i use grub2 with kvm now... but i faced the same problem you are talking about
06:04<nsousa>i'm also considering kvm
06:04<SoloFlyer>nsousa: its much better you dont have to worry about all the kernel compatability issues
06:05<nsousa>but we only have one machine with the necessary caracteristics
06:05<nsousa>my problem is that with xen I can "move" things around
06:05<nsousa>kvm is limited by the hardware needs
06:05<nsousa>correct?
06:05<SoloFlyer>not so much
06:06<SoloFlyer>how are you using xen? para visualization?
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06:08<nsousa>well, truth be told, I'm not using XEN because I can put it to work :(
06:08<SoloFlyer>lol
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06:08<nsousa>can't
06:09<nsousa>but the whole ideia was to use hardware backed virtualization
06:09<nsousa>type 1 hypervisor to be more correct
06:09<SoloFlyer>if you are happy with software virtualisation kvm/qemu will do that if you have the hardware extensions kvm/qemu can do that too
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06:09<nsousa>quite true
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06:10<SoloFlyer>if you want paravirtualized then you can use xen but i think there are other better options
06:10<nsousa>I just realized that I hadn't made that consideration for XEN
06:10<SoloFlyer>like UML
06:11<SoloFlyer>from my experience xen is a pain
06:11<nsousa>humm
06:11<nsousa>kvm it is
06:11<SoloFlyer>mainly making sure that you have the right kernels and all the right things in place
06:11<nsousa>on top of debian?
06:11<SoloFlyer>yes
06:12<SoloFlyer>xen has lost alot of support in the linux world since kvm came in to place
06:12<nsousa>alright
06:12<SoloFlyer>xen was never official supported in the linux kernel
06:12<berto>nsousa: what do you plan to virtualize? a linux box?
06:12<berto>nsousa: maybe vserver is another option
06:12<nsousa>any special issues I should address during the debian install
06:13<nsousa>?
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06:13<SoloFlyer>not really... make sure that hardware virtualisation is turned on in the bios...?
06:13<SoloFlyer>but berto is right
06:14<nsousa>it is
06:14<SoloFlyer>vservers, jails, uml, are all better options unless you want that full virtualisation thing...
06:14<nsousa>just another quick question before I got an face the beast
06:15<nsousa>the partition table I'm using is just a /boot partition and everu thing else on LVM
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06:15<nsousa>no issues with grub2 ou LVM on KVM, no?
06:16<nsousa>after 4 days lost for this I'm becoming paranoic
06:16<SoloFlyer>kvm is just a loadable kernel module... it doesnt really change anything
06:16<nsousa>very well, I'll be back
06:16<SoloFlyer>and grub2 works fine with kvm
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06:16<nsousa>thanks
06:17<SoloFlyer>i mean grub2 works fine with lvm and kvm and....
06:17<SoloFlyer>good luck :)
06:17<nsousa>now I'll think of some excuse to try and sell to my boss, why XEN isn't any the best thing on heavens ou Hearth
06:18<SoloFlyer>lol
06:18<SoloFlyer>i feel your pain
06:18<SoloFlyer>i had to do that sell ;)
06:18<nsousa>hahaha
06:18<nsousa>:D
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06:18<nsousa>thanks for your help
06:18<SoloFlyer>i went with the kernel support
06:18<nsousa>and see you soon
06:19<SoloFlyer>just tell him kvm is the same as xen
06:19<SoloFlyer>only kvm is part of the linux kernel where as xen sits on top of the linux kernel
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06:19<SoloFlyer>and that because kvm stils in the kernel rather than hiding itself its easier to manage
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06:28<tampa_tom>clear
06:28<tampa_tom>whoops!
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06:29<tampa_tom>I need a data recovery tools to retrieve data from a damaged CD
06:30<SoloFlyer>ddrescue
06:30<SoloFlyer>actually gddrescue is better
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06:32<tampa_tom>SoloFlyer: looks good, thanks
06:32<SoloFlyer>tampa_tom: np :)
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06:36<tampa_tom>SoloFlyer: haha what is the command to invoke after i install it?
06:37<tampa_tom>do i use dd with arguments?
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06:42<tampa_tom>whoops! i have to be root
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06:44<SoloFlyer>tampa_tom: ddrescue
06:44<Untrue>Hi there I have a question
06:45<tampa_tom>SoloFlyer: had to sudo
06:45<SoloFlyer>ahh
06:45<SoloFlyer>Untrue: dont ask to ask just ask
06:46<tampa_tom>so much for not running escalated privs :|
06:46<SoloFlyer>lol
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06:46<SoloFlyer>you could have stayed as a user and done /sbin/ddrescue
06:47<SoloFlyer>assuming you had access to the raw devices
06:47<tampa_tom>zomg i didnt know i could do that
06:47<tampa_tom>ty <3
06:47<Untrue>Hi everyone I would like to limit access to sftp users to only one directory I allready configured the users using /usr/lib/openssh/sftp-server as a shell in order to limit commands but they can move arround upper on the hierarchy do I have to chroot them or is there any faster or easier way?
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06:53<SoloFlyer>Untrue: remove their permissions to everything else or chroot them...
06:53<SoloFlyer>chroot is pretty easy...
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06:54<nsousa>I'm back
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06:54<nsousa>the beast did not eat me
06:55<nsousa>but it's time for lunch
06:55<SoloFlyer>lol
06:55<nsousa>anyone interested in helping me putting KVM to work in an hour or so?
06:56<tampa_tom>an hour? you been working on that for a few days now
06:56<nsousa>no, not that
06:56<nsousa>I'll be back in an hour or so
06:56<SoloFlyer>lol
06:56<nsousa>and then we'll put it to work
06:57<SoloFlyer>you should be able to get it up in about 30mins
06:57<SoloFlyer>i wont be here in an hour...
06:57<SoloFlyer>but good luck :)
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06:58<nsousa>ok
06:58<nsousa>thanks for the help
06:58<SoloFlyer>np :)
06:58<SoloFlyer>if you want a gui virt-manager makes the whole kvm experience really really easy
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07:18<screenn>is debian support cpu: core i3 or i5 and chip: intel55 intel58?
07:18<linub>hi, i got a big problem with initrd.img, i got crypt and lvm with RTL8111/8168B nic . i made an update-initramfs and the system freezes before luks passphrase promt. some clues?
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07:19<sky4>hi hi
07:19<sky4>WTF
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07:20<linub> hi, i got a big problem with initrd.img, i got crypt and lvm with RTL8111/8168B nic . i made an update-initramfs and the system freezes before luks passphrase promt. some clues?
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07:43<Untrue>Soloflyer: Sorry I was attending other issues, but I will take a look to the chroot because it will be the most professional anyway I should learn how to do it I will read something about it
07:44<SoloFlyer>Untrue: http://debian.chains.ch/chroot/chroot.html
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07:46<Untrue>SoloFlyer: Thanks again!
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08:12<IceGuest_75>Has anyone done VPN using ipsec and racoon?
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08:18<IceGuest_75>Has anyone done VPN using ipsec and racoon?
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08:18<weasel>!anyone
08:18<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
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08:25<IceGuest_75>???
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08:25<prahal>hi I try to have a phpmyadmin instance connect to two servers (localhost and a remote one) . Is this doable with the dbconfig-common setup ?
08:26<prahal>in old days there was a $servers array but no more
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08:31<tampa_tom>!ask IceGuest_75
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08:31<tampa_tom>think i did that wrong ...
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08:32<IceGuest_75>tampa_tom what?
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08:33<themill>IceGuest_75: just as dpkg said earlier, ask a real question
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08:34<prahal>hum is it worst to open mysql to network than to open phpmyadmin on remote host to network ?
08:34<IceGuest_75>themill I was wondering how I make a VPN using IPSec and Racoon therefore follow several documentations on the internet and none of the right!
08:34<prahal>bah I ll open it to private network only
08:34<themill>IceGuest_75: don't ask me, and you've still not asked a real question that anyone can help you. /msg dpkg ask
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08:38<chaos>i have a debian box with two NICs connected to a windblows box which has a different default gateway than my debian box but that route is broken
08:38<IceGuest_75>dpkg How do I make a VPN using IPSec and Racoon with AES encryption? I am not able to do in debian.
08:38<dpkg>IceGuest_75: You are person #1 to send an unparseable request
08:38<chaos>if i set up a portforward on the debian box to this windows box (which has radmin installed) can i get a connection?
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08:38<chaos>or is it going to try to reply on its default route?
08:39<tampa_tom>facepalm
08:39<weasel>IceGuest_75: I suggest you use openvpn.
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08:40<weasel>IceGuest_75: it'll be a lot easier to get right and the error/diagnostic messages will give you a chance to know what's going on
08:41<IceGuest_75>weasel I've read the logs but still does not show any error, does not close connection
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08:41<weasel>getting ipsec Right is Hard.
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08:45<prahal>weird ... the debian doc (readme and comment) tells not to put sensitive data (passwords) into config.inc.php ... because it is readable by www-data . Though th file it uses to store the password is also readable by www-data /etc/phpmyadmin/config-db.php
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08:47<prahal>for me it is not so critical though I cannot recommand a setup of security I do not understand :(
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08:51<tampa_tom>prahal: phpmyadmin support can be found at #phpmyadmin on irc.freenode.net
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08:52<prahal>tampa_tom, thanks . My first question was about phpmyadmin/dbconfig-common thus I landed here .
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08:52<prahal>mind my last question is about debian default security model for phpmyadmin too
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08:55<prahal>in fact the only phpmyadmin specific question I found out , ie one could edit /etc/phpmyadmin/config.inc.php to add more servers to a phmyadmin instance
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08:56<prahal>the issue now is that debian doc tells I ought not to put password there but does not tell where to put them (and the rationale told make no sense , ie because www-data could read the file . But the file were debian ends up putting the password is also readable by wwww-data
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08:57<prahal>thus I wonder if #phpmyadmin is the place to ask about debian specific installation and setup decision
08:58<prahal>this is more about how to secure php applications broadly
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09:03<themill>prahal: my README.Debian doesn't tell you to put your password anywhere, does it?
09:04<prahal>dbconfig-common hooks ends up saving it in /etc/phpmyadmin/config-db.php
09:05<themill>ahh... this is the squeeze package not the lenny package, is it?
09:05<prahal>sid
09:06<nsousa>hi, i'm installing and configuring KVM, is the package libvirt need for a user, with root privileges to manage virtual machines?
09:06<prahal>probably a thing I should not have filled via debconf :(
09:06<prahal>ie I probably should have left it empty
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09:18<nsousa>I'm installing and configuring KVM, is the package libvirt need for a user, with root privileges to manage virtual machines?
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09:55<nsousa>can anyone help me configure a bridge to be used in KVM?
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09:56<tampa_tom>nsousa: told you it would take more than an hour :)
09:56<nsousa>haha
09:56<nsousa>:D
09:56<nsousa>that was for lunch
09:56<tampa_tom>!dance
09:56*dpkg gets jiggy wit it
09:56<tampa_tom>ahhh, i see
09:57<nsousa>tampa_tom: do you know how to do it?
09:57<tampa_tom>nsousa: sorry, all i am qualified to give is moral support, not technical
09:58<tampa_tom>wish i could halp though
09:58<tampa_tom>sorry
09:58<Torsten_W>the kvm docu can help you, to configure a bridge
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10:00<Torsten_W>nsousa, http://www.linux-kvm.org/page/Networking
10:00<nsousa>yes
10:00<nsousa>that is the tutorial that is was following
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10:01<nsousa>but, well, I managed to lock my self out of the machine
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10:03<nsousa>going step by step
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10:03<nsousa>I create the bridge
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10:03<nsousa>then I add my network card to the new bridge
10:04<nsousa>then I lost the connection to the network from my dom0 machine
10:04<nsousa>...
10:04<nsousa>any suggestions?
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10:39<stranger>anyone using squeeze facing problems with vlc lately?
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11:03<lameronedimerda>o ce cualcuno italiano?
11:03<locklace>!it
11:03<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
11:04<lameronedimerda>bobo
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11:04<lameronedimerda>sgonbini
11:05<lameronedimerda>marius vai che e aperto
11:05<lameronedimerda>vabe vado che kua nessuno mi caga il cazzo
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11:38<Tuplad>I've got a problem :p I tried to install nvidia driver, didn't work out, now I don't have gdm or any visuals so I'm in console. How can I reset my X settings ?
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11:40<Tuplad>cahoot!
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11:42<gpm>reset X settings to what? i thought by default X doesn't use/need a config file anymore...
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11:43<Tuplad>gpm: the error log says it uses /etc/X11/XF86Config by default
11:43<gpm>oh weird, are you not using xserver-xorg?
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11:44<tampa_tom>Tuplad: edit the xorg.conf file and set the basic vesa driver from /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers
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11:44<tampa_tom>that should help get you on your feet in hte short term
11:44<Tuplad>gpm: I am
11:44<Tuplad>gpm: just deleted that config file and could startx, gonna try to install driver again :}
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11:45<cwood>Pathetic question of the day: is there a wysiwyg(-ish) editor that I can use to compose html mail? (My boss wants me to use html mail.)
11:45<gpm>Tuplad: that should use xorg.conf, not XF86Config
11:45<gpm>cwood: t-bird? some webmail interface?
11:45<Torsten_W>icedove?
11:46<tampa_tom>emacs!
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11:46<gpm>Tuplad: have a blast
11:46<Tuplad>gpm: :(
11:47<gpm>Tuplad: you should use http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers if you haven't already
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11:49<Tuplad>gpm: I'm on it as we speak
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11:50<cwood>gpm: Evolution is giving me crashes and stuff with OWA for now, Thunderbird is not thrilling me. I'd rather an editor that I could use from mutt. (Can emacs do wysiwyg html?)
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11:51<gpm>cwood: probably, ask tampa_tom
11:52<gpm>!start an editor war
11:52<dpkg>xemacs doesn't deserve to be in BSD.
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11:53<gpm>Tuplad: i always just install using nvidia-kernel-source and module-assistant
11:53<cwood>I'll go read docs, thanks.
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11:54<stranger>I can play almost all videos with mplayer but not vlc. vlc can only play mpg but not avi or wmv
11:54<gpm>bummer
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12:04<Piki>hello, KDE3 user on lenny 5.0.4. my sound stutters like a scratched CD when using a xine-base player like amarok to play MP3s or Ogg Vorbis, but mplayer plays normally until the end of the file, where it stutters. any suggestions appreciated
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12:04<Piki>oh, and i am fully updated as of saturday night EST
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12:06<Piki>also, videos playing inside iceweasel stutter
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12:08<Piki>and right now, the speakers are stuttering (sounds kinda like a rapidly bouncing ball in a cartoon) despite the fact that i've no sounds playing
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12:14<retrospectacus>Piki: try using alsa instead of pulseaudio or vice versa? what sound card?
12:16<Piki>retrospectacus: already using alsa, i can install pulseaudio now, but no idea how to configure it as i've never used it. the lspci for the card is: "00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 03)"
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12:22<cahoot>retrospectacus: FYI PA isn't an alternative to alsa - it's a layer 'above' alsa
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12:22<Pingvin>çäåñü ïî-ðóññêè ãîâîðÿò?:)
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12:25<sney>hmm.
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12:26<sney>debian squeeze, amd64. I just updated lighttpd and it ate my config. now the only thing that shows up is html files in the web root, the other directories throw a '403 forbidden.'
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12:28<Piki>i'm assuming debian squeeze is the current testing branch?
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12:28<locklace>!tell Piki about squeeze
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12:29<locklace>sney: sounds like a fuckup, since config files aren't supposed to be silently toasted. next stop bts i guess
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12:35<debacle>hi all, i'm trying to build from source transmission 2.0 on lenny. It told me libevent not found. i've already installed it from backport. Can anyone help me ?
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12:39<jordanm>debacle: I would seek help from upstream, since it doesn't appear that has made it into debian at all
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12:40<debacle>jordanm: ok. thanks !
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12:42<craigevil>2.0 was just released today, try asking in #transmission on freenode
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12:49<debacle>found the problem. it's between my chair and my keybord ! :-) (BTW i've added backport to sources.ist but i didn't run aptitude update... so i was installing libevent-dev 1.3 over libevent-dev 1.3)
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12:58<Aleric>Seems that a while ago it changed that if I paste something with my mouse into a window then that window isn't automatically made active (if next I type something it still goes to the previous window that I selected text from)
12:59<Aleric>This is highly annoying :/.. Is there a way to change this back to what it was? I want that pasting into a non-active window makes it active, as if I left-clicked on it.
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13:04<valdyn>Aleric: if you click or mouse over to activate a window is configurable
13:05<acheron>offtopic : xfce4.8 when will be released (as i can see at their homepage that must have been released at 12/6/10) . Will be included in squeeze??
13:06<Aleric>valdyn: I don't want mouse over to activate it.
13:06<valdyn>Aleric: thats what you do though when cutting and pasting
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13:06<Aleric>Just left-click (which works) AND pasting (middle-click)
13:07<Aleric>that and middle-clicking
13:07<nsousa>I have question regarding KVM and LVM
13:07<valdyn>!tell nsousa -about ask
13:07<nsousa>has any one used this?
13:07<old>Aleric: You didn't even say which window manager you use.
13:07<Aleric>old: metacity
13:07<valdyn>nsousa: thats the wrong question. Ask what you really want.
13:08<valdyn>nsousa: polling is not allowed.
13:08<valdyn>Aleric: have you looked in the window manager settings to metacity and gconf-editor ?
13:09<nsousa>ok, I'm installing a guest system using KVM in an LVM partition, for the purpose of, need be, expand the space the guest has available
13:09<nsousa>the question is, when installing the guest should I also use LVM in the virtual partition so that they can be later expanded?
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13:10<valdyn>nsousa: why would you make this hard to manage by adding partitions in the guest?
13:11<nsousa>please bare with me..., if I install the guest with simple static partitions, will I be able to expand them later on?
13:11<Aleric>valdyn: I find only a "focus_mode" there, which I set to "click". However, that used to work on any click, now it only works on left-click.
13:12<valdyn>nsousa: yes, but thats needlessly complex
13:12<Aleric>Hmm ok - it also works on right-click. I guess a middle-click is no longer passed to the window at all?
13:12<nsousa>well, it would be an LVM on top of an LVM
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13:12<nsousa>:P
13:12<valdyn>nsousa: thats also needlessly complex
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13:13<nsousa>ok, I'm installing the guest to a LV, and now I need to decide howto partition the disk, what do you recommend?
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13:14<valdyn>nsousa: i recommend not using any partitions on the guest side
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13:14<nsousa>and it can be later expanded, yes?
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13:15<valdyn>nsousa: you dont seem to get it
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13:15<nsousa>:(
13:15<valdyn>nsousa: you need a way to boot, alright, that needs a free master boot record
13:15<valdyn>nsousa: but you need to layer partition on lvm or lvm on lvm for your storage
13:16<valdyn>nsousa: but you *dont* need to layer partition on lvm or lvm on lvm for your storage
13:16<nsousa>I don't undestand
13:16<nsousa>from the top
13:17<nsousa>I have a LV where I'm installing a guest = Lenny
13:17<nsousa>good?
13:17<valdyn>nsousa: yes
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13:18<nsousa>now, I'm installing the guest, and the guest sees one disk (the LV) and is asking me howto partition it
13:19<nsousa>now, I want to be able to later expand the space available for this guest, one of the reasons why I'm using LVM
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13:20<nsousa>does it matter what type of partition I use on the guest side?
13:20<valdyn>nsousa: again: using *any* type of partition on the guest side makes this needlessly complex
13:21<nsousa>very well
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13:21<valdyn>nsousa: you need a free master boot record on the virtual boot device. That is all. You can get that by using a small lv and creating a small /boot partition on that one
13:22<valdyn>nsousa: the *second* host lv that you should use needs *no* partitioning of any kind on top
13:23<nsousa>humm
13:24<nsousa>ok, so if I understand correctly, I should simple install the guest in one partition using all the disk he sees? (to far off?)
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13:25<valdyn>nsousa: yea, basically
13:25<nsousa>:)
13:25<valdyn>nsousa: but you need an unused master boot record somewhere to boot from
13:25<nsousa>the guest?
13:25<valdyn>nsousa: yes
13:25<nsousa>I haven't seen that anywhere
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13:26<valdyn>nsousa: you cant boot without a master boot record, duh
13:26<jordanm>valdyn: GPT?
13:26<valdyn>jordanm: gpt has no boot record? kvm supports gpt?
13:27<nsousa>GPT is used on my main SO
13:27<jordanm>valdyn: I thought that GPT didn't use an MBR, or didn't use it in the same way as traditional partitioning
13:27<jordanm>don't take my word for it though, I haven't done enough homework
13:28<valdyn>jordanm: the mbr is the disk area that gets loaded by the bios before partitions come into play
13:29<jordanm>valdyn: google seems to indicate GPT is a replacement for MBR
13:29<valdyn>jordanm: no idea
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13:30<valdyn>jordanm: thats microsoft terminology it seems, maybe MBR is to loaded with special meanings
13:30<valdyn>jordanm: and i should instead say "area loaded by bios"
13:31<valdyn>jordanm: so whatever he uses, gpt or "mbr" implies that his filesystem cannot reside in the same place
13:31<jordanm>valdyn: looks like wikipedia has a nice diagram layout: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GUID_Partition_Table
13:33<valdyn>nsousa: if this all sounds to complex just go ahead to your layering. It makes the technical layout more complex and resizing more work, but maybe its easier to understand ;)
13:34<nsousa>alright guys, not wanting to be in the middle of the big boys discussion
13:34<nsousa>the only thing the I want to know is, does it make a difference if I need to resize it latter?
13:34<nsousa>you say no, ok!
13:35<nsousa>I have moved on
13:35<valdyn>nsousa: lvm on lvm is better for resizing
13:35<nsousa>allright
13:35<valdyn>nsousa: singe layered lvm is obviously best
13:36<valdyn>nsousa: but partitions on lvm can bite you later ( when the partition you want to grow is in the middle )
13:36<nsousa>I'm lying flat on the floor right now!
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13:37<valdyn>hehe
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13:37<nsousa>first, thanks for bearing with me
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13:39<nsousa>second, well, if I use a single static partition sheme on the guest, isn't it harder (impossible) to resize later?
13:39<valdyn>nsousa: no, then its easy
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13:40<nsousa>lol, that completely goes against me previous believes
13:40<valdyn>nsousa: the last partition is always easy to grow, provided theres space
13:41<nsousa>and since I'm using LVM on top, I can grow the available space
13:41<valdyn>nsousa: or in other words: you can only grow a partition into the space right after it
13:41<valdyn>nsousa: i think you mean "lvm beneath"
13:42<nsousa>I stand corrected
13:42<nsousa>beneath
13:42<nsousa>ok
13:42<nsousa>it will be one of the things to test before putting this in to production
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13:43<valdyn>i do wonder if this can be done live. I have no idea if kvm can notify the guest of storage device size change
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13:43<valdyn>nsousa: keep in mind that partitions cannot change live btw, lvm can
13:44<valdyn>nsousa: if you grow the root partition you have to reboot for that to take effect
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13:44<nsousa>a small disadvantage, no?
13:44<valdyn>nsousa: while if you grow the root lv that takes effect immediately
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13:45<valdyn>nsousa: that makes 2 reboots for your guest if kvm's underlying storage cannot change size live
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13:47<schlurchz>Hi guys. I'm afraid that ghumb just messed up a couple of tiff images on my machine. I rotated them and the files went from 3.8MB down to <100K. And they look really crappy. Is that expected?? There was no such thing like a dialog asking if I would like to save modified files or so.
13:48<schlurchz>I have no backup of these images :(
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13:49<schlurchz>gthumb*
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13:50<nsousa>valdyn: the guest is not booting lol :D
13:50<schlurchz>Oh, I forgot, I'm using squeeze
13:50<schlurchz>gthumb 3:2.11.3-2
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13:55<Capao>Hi. Running Lenny AMD64. Trying to ad a printer but I keep gettin an authentication error. Do I need to edit the Server Configuration File?
13:55<mosty>is it just me or is cal currently broken in sid?
13:56<jordanm>Capao: how are you trying to add the printer?
13:56<jordanm>mosty: did you check the bts?
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13:57<Capao>I've been pointing Konquerer at http://localhost:631/ and at the end, it rejects my pw
13:57<jordanm>Capao: it should be root's authentication info, is that what you are using?
13:58<Capao>Let me try using login: root and the pw. brb. (thanks, btw)
13:59<nsousa>ok, booting my lenny guest on kvm I receive the error:
13:59<nsousa>"clocksource tsc unstable"
13:59<nsousa>and the system does not boot, any ideias?
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14:05<Capao>(SOLVED) was trying to admin CUPS using my (non-root) account. Using root solved problem. Thank you everyone!
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14:05<retrospectacus>!congratulate Capao
14:05<dpkg>Huzzah Capao, you did it!
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14:25<leonh>Hello everybody. I am using the sqeeze repositories and a recent upgrade broke two things (that may be related) and I am too stupid to get myself out of that mess again. First of all, update-locale complains that en_US.UTF8 is not supported on my system and the x server does not start anymore (black screen) (I am using the proprietary nvidia drivers). both the locales package and the xserver were upgraded today. Any ideas on what could have gone wrong and
14:25<leonh>what I could do to fix it?
14:26<MrAlejandro>Don't Know XD
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14:27<MrAlejandro>I have a little question.....probably not relate to leonh's
14:28<MrAlejandro>That is how to make a new account on Backtrack 4? Is there a way??
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14:28<jordanm>!tell leonh about moving target
14:29<jordanm>!tell leonh about testing
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14:30<MrAlejandro>hey jordanm
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14:31<qq->!tell MrAlejandro about backtrack
14:32<MrAlejandro>yeah tell me
14:32<jordanm>MrAlejandro: you should have got a PM from dpkg "telling" you
14:32<MrAlejandro>a what from where?
14:33<qq->!backtrack
14:33<dpkg>BackTrack is not Debian and is not supported in #debian (ask me about <based on debian>). Try http://www.backtrack-linux.org/ or #backtrack-linux on irc.freenode.net instead. BackTrack is a Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu> Intrepid (as of BackTrack 4), previously <SLAX>. Derived from merging two penetration-testing distributions: WHAX (formerly WHOPPIX) and Auditor Security Linux.
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14:33<MrAlejandro>xD
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14:35<jespada>Hi guys...are some one out there using JFS on debian testing?
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14:37<qq->!tell jespada about ask
14:38<jespada>??
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14:42<qq->jespada, just ask a real question
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14:49<qq->i like to debug a debian router, ip_forward is 1, iptables set seems ok, but lan's pc don't get connect to internet , any idea to check further ?
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14:50<jordanm>qq-: verified the usual on the client? IP, route, and dns?
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14:51<qq-> IP, route are ok , but dns .. is needed too ?
14:52<retrospectacus>if you want to resolve Internet names
14:52<qq->dhcp is ok , too
14:52<retrospectacus>if you have ip and route, try ping 74.125.127.103
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14:52<retrospectacus>if that works and ping google.com does not then you are missing dns
14:52<qq->no ping outside lan
14:53<jordanm>qq-: traceroute dies at the router?
14:53<leonh>I don't know much about networking but do the clients have the gateway set correctly?
14:53<qq->jordanm, exacly
14:53<jordanm>leonh: that was covered in "route"
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14:53<qq-> *exactly
14:53<jordanm>qq-: lets see your NAT rules
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14:54<qq->jordanm, moment
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14:56<qq->http://yourpaste.net/5671
14:56<qq->http://yourpaste.net/5672 > routing table
14:57<felixs>qq-: do iptables -L -v to see statistics, and where your packats get lost
14:58<felixs>qq-: iptables -L -t nat -v resp.
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14:59<qq->http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/23 < i used that iptables script
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15:01<jordanm>qq-: pastebin your NAT rules. iptables -L -t nat
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15:05<qq-> NAT rules are up in articles/23
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15:06<jordanm>qq-: that article does not confirm what your current rules are
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15:06<jordanm>if the issue was, say, your script not being loaded, we would never figure it out if I just assumed your stuff was set as in the article
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15:10<qq-> http://yourpaste.net/5676 + 5671
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15:17<andyx>http://yourpaste.net/5677 (qq- direct on router ) ,
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15:28<gunther>hi
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15:31<andyx>iptables- L > http://yourpaste.net/5678
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15:34<andyx>!test
15:34<dpkg>Test failed.
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16:46<Hero_>I'm having an issues obtaining the FASM assembler. I tried 'apt-get install fasm' and it couldn't find the package. So it's not in the package list. Second I went to www.flatassembler.net and clicked the link for the linux download. Bam! A window pops up with the files that it downloaded in its own folder called FASM. Well I have no idea how to run the app or even how to find that FASM folder (i closed the window). I looked everywhere. Thanks
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16:48<Tingtin1>hi
16:48<Hero_>hi
16:49<Tingtin1>how is everyone
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16:49<Hero_>just waiting on my question to be answered :)
16:49<Tingtin1>what is your question
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16:50<Hero_>I'm having an issues obtaining the FASM assembler. I tried 'apt-get install fasm' and it couldn't find the package. So it's not in the package list. Second I went to www.flatassembler.net and clicked the link for the linux download. Bam! A window pops up with the files that it downloaded in its own folder called FASM. Well I have no idea how to run the app or even how to find that FASM folder (i closed the window). I looked everywhere. Thanks
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16:50<Tingtin1>www.everyheardofgood.com
16:51<Tingtin1>sorry http://www.everheardofgoogle.com/
16:51<icf7>Is it possible to get aptitude to display nothing if all packages are already installed? aptitude -q=20 still prints stuff like "Reading package lists..."
16:51<Tingtin1>use google
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16:52<Hero_>its not the type of question for google
16:52<Hero_>I always use google firsty
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16:52<Hero_>first*
16:52<Hero_>I'm not a moron
16:52<Tingtin1>ok
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16:53<icf7>Hero_: Which browser did you use to download?
16:53<Armia>hey
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16:53<Armia>how are u all ?
16:54<gunther>hi
16:54<Tingtin1>fine
16:54<Armia>great
16:54<Armia>i am armia from egypt
16:54<gunther>i have a problem with debian/ kde installation
16:54<Armia>i have a question about backtrack :D
16:54<icf7>Hero_: In Firefox, I think it is Ctrl+Shift+Y to see the download list. That way, you can find out where firefox downloaded it to
16:55<Armia>can anyone help me
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16:55<icf7>!ask >Armia
16:55<Armia>yeah
16:55<Armia>my problem.. is that i don't have a wifi card
16:55<icf7>Armia: Please don't ask if anyone can help you. Instead, just ask the question. This makes it easier to follow threads of discussion and keeps the noise down. Thank you!
16:56<Armia>yes sir..
16:56<Armia>as u wish..
16:56<Armia>so m problem is that i don't hae a wifi card
16:56<Armia>but what do i hae to do to be able to penetrate my friends PC
16:56<Armia>??
16:56<Tingtin1>ce qui la baise
16:57<Armia>is there any solution ????
16:57<Armia>??
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16:57<jurg>Armia: Not really a debian-related question, is it?
16:57<icf7>Armia: well, how about a wired network?
16:57<Armia>eah ia ma in a wired network..
16:57<Tingtin1>my ass hole
16:58<Armia> yes i am on it
16:58<Tingtin1>soc
16:58<Tingtin1>soz
16:58<Armia>so how can i penetrate..?
16:58<icf7>Armia: define penetrate
16:58<Armia>do i have to use the shell.. or konsol ?
16:58<Armia>i mean get access into my friend's PC
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16:59<icf7>Armia: you mean, without his authorization?
16:59<Armia>yes sir.. exactly as u said..
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16:59<jordanm>Armia: I suggest you find help with that elsewhere
16:59<jordanm>or preferably, not at all....
16:59<icf7>Armia: that's not how computers work. Sorry, but you may have watched too many movies ;)
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17:00<jurg>icf7: But...but... CSI told me I could write a VB-gui to do it!
17:00<jurg>;)
17:00<Armia>hehehe :D sorry i think it's not the place that can answer my question... :D
17:01<Armia>cause it's a really high and difficult one..
17:01<Armia>that u may not be able to answer it..
17:01<Kjetil_>Well, it would be very hard for any place to answer a question
17:01<old>Armia: I think it's not a question to be answered...
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17:01<Armia>cause u are not so proffessional :D
17:01<Armia>i think u just don't know the answer that's all :D
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17:01<jurg>The question is juvenile, about illegal actions and not related to debian at all.
17:02<Armia>:D
17:02<Armia>alrighty.. :D
17:02<old>Armia: Nice troll. Now please be nice.
17:02<Armia>as u wish
17:02<Armia>yes.. i am nice..
17:02<Armia>sorry for my hard quetsion
17:02<Armia>and thank you for talking to me :D
17:04<jurg>Hero_: FASM must be run from the command line afaik, just find the directory and type ./fasm (assuming you've extracted the archive) and entered that dir.
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17:05<old>gunther: What's your problem?
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17:13<leonh>OK, I figured out what my problem was earlier. I have my /usr/bin/python linked to /etc/alternatives/python where it is managed with update-alternatives. Apparently gnome-codec-install checks if /usr/bin/python points to python2.5 but can't seem to follow the "dual-symlink", so the installation fails, leaving me with a half-upgraded system and a load of problems...
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17:17<gunther>when i start the manual it asks me to create a search-index and if i do so the whole pc hangs up itself
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17:17<old>leonh: I had similar problem with python symlinks. Reinstalling python-minimal helped in my case.
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17:20<Hero_>I'm having an issues obtaining the FASM assembler. I tried 'apt-get install fasm' and it couldn't find the package. So it's not in the package list. Second I went to www.flatassembler.net and clicked the link for the linux download. Bam! A window pops up with the files that it downloaded in its own folder called FASM. Well I have no idea how to run the app or even how to find that FASM folder (i closed the window). I looked everywhere. Thank
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17:20<old>Hero_: Have you read what jurg said to you?
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17:21<Hero_>just did! My second problem was not being able to locate where FASM downloaded to
17:21<leonh>old: in my case, making /usr/bin/python a simple symlink to python2.5 helped (instead of /usr/bin/python -> /etc/alternatives/python -> /usr/bin/python) but still I think it's sad that something like this makes my upgrade fail...
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17:22<leonh>sorry, meant /usr/bin/python -> /etc/alternatives/python -> /usr/bin/python2.5
17:22<inglor>On a software raid does the UUID that mdadm programs provide on the mdadm.conf file is correct? It's in different format that the normal UUIDs of the devices. e.g. UUID=27083351:2529d778:79c24ce0:2f5fac0d
17:22<old>leonh: I think reinstalling python-minimal does pretty much the same thing.
17:22<jurg>Hero_: Did you actually download and extract the archive or just open it directly?
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17:24<Hero_>All i did was click the link for the download. On the top right a bubble said that FASM finished downloading, so i clicked it and a folder popped up with some files in it
17:25<jurg>Which browser? Iceweasel?
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17:25<Hero_>epiphany
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17:26<Hero_>a did a search on the filesystem
17:26<Hero_>and found a tgz file
17:26<old>Hero_: Search that folder for a file you've just downloaded.
17:27<jurg>in ~/Downloads I'll bet.
17:27<jurg>Hero_: You still need to run FASM from a terminal as far as I can see.
17:27<Hero_>in landed in /tmp
17:27<Hero_>it*
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17:28<Hero_>when i right click and goto properties the type is application\x-compressed-tar
17:29<jurg>Yes, it needs to be extracted somewhere.
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17:29<old>Hero_: `tar xzf name_of_archive.tgz`
17:30<Hero_>how do i navigate to a specific dir with the terminal
17:30<Hero_>whats the man command for basic command?
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17:30<old>Hero_: cd
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17:31<Hero_>ok and how do i list files in the current dir?
17:31<cthuluh>dir
17:31<jurg>ls
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17:32<Hero_>i typed `tar help
17:32<Hero_>now I'm only getting a '>'
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17:32<Hero_>not :rootuser:>
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17:33<old>Hero_: Type ctrl+c.
17:33<Hero_>thanks
17:33<Hero_>I was trying to look at the help files for `tar
17:33<old>Hero_: And then `man tar`
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17:33<cthuluh>without the backticks :)
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17:34<Hero_>gotcha!
17:34<jordanm>Hero_: for external applications "man <application>". help is used for shell builtin command e.g. help cd
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17:35<old>Hero_: Just like cthuluh says. I use backticks to denote an input to shell.
17:35<jordanm>Hero_: and you answer your question about "basic commands". you want "man bash" use the "/" and "n" key to search for the BUILTINS section
17:35<jordanm>Hero_: although, that is best for reference and I am sure google will do better in the regard
17:35<old>Hero_: Or type `man intro`.
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17:37<cthuluh>wow, I didn't even know this manpage. Should be useful, thanks old :)
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17:37<jordanm>also, can't forget about apropos and /usr/share/doc. documentation is everywhere
17:37<old>cthuluh: Neither did I. I stumbled upon it when I was using Debian for couple of years...
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17:39<cthuluh>hmmm, I don't know if it could really be good for a real new unix user... (man intro)
17:39<Hero_>ok the file extracted
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17:40<Hero_>now I have the folder... I tried to use `fasm` so i could get the help file and nothing
17:40<old>cthuluh: It's a good start, short though.
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17:40<Hero_>looked in the FASM folder and found command line compiling but only talks about parameters not the main keyword
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17:40<Hero_>not even sure is the keyword is `fasm`
17:40<cthuluh>old: yeah, the english version seems clearer to me than the french one :)
17:41<cthuluh>but always this stupid "kill -9" stuff
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17:43<old>Hero_: Type [dot][slash][tab][tab]. It should tell you the names of programs in current folder.
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17:44<old>Hero_: First of course you must cd into it.
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17:44<ichdasich>i am currently having problems using ldap-auth between a squeez-client and a lenny openldap slapd
17:45<Hero_>the return was
17:45<ichdasich>auth between a lenny client and the server works
17:45<db5>dist-upgrade from lenny -> squeeze right now = massive fail.
17:45<Hero_>examples/ fasm source/ tools/
17:45<ichdasich>the configuration-files are identical
17:45<ichdasich>i see http://ix.io/11X in the squuezes auth-log and a tcpdump revealed, that the squeez tries to perform an bind as the user logging in, which is not succesfull, while the lenny-clients do not. a bind with ldapvi from the squeez-host on the other hand is successful.
17:45<ichdasich> pam_ldap.conf: http://ix.io/11Y
17:45<ichdasich> nsswitch.conf: http://ix.io/11Z
17:46<old>Hero_: There it is: fasm. You can run it with `./fasm $srgs`, where $args is '--help' or '-h'.
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17:47<Hero_>aha! I was typing 'fasm' not './fasm
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17:47<jordanm>db5: well, yes, its currently in testing. when the time comes there will be detailed release notes on the proper methods of upgrading (which will not be aptitude full-upgrade, done)
17:47<db5>dist-upgrade is always the proper method. duh
17:47<jordanm>!lenny release notes
17:47<dpkg>rumour has it, lenny release notes is at http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/releasenotes . See also http://bugs.debian.org/release-notes and http://wiki.debian.org/NewInLenny . Also ask me about <i-g>, <installer firmware>, <etch->lenny key>, <errata>.
17:48<old>Hero_: You need to use './' before if the program is in the current directory and is not in one of $PATH's directories.
17:48<jordanm>db5: its one of the steps, yes. look at the lenny release notes for an example of what I am talking about
17:48<db5>i cant atm... system is too fucked
17:48<db5>haha
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17:49<themill>db5: no, dist-upgrade is not always the proper method.
17:49<themill>(and hasn't been since woody)
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17:49<db5>what is then?
17:49<themill>db5: read those fine release notes...
17:49<db5>see above
17:50<themill>so you can irc and complain but can't look at a web page? Nice. /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze
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17:51<db5>i can irc cos im l33t. and warn people. dunno about this complaining bit...
17:52<themill>db5: there's no warning that needs to be done. Just some reading.
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17:53<db5>haha, and you want me to install a debian kernel? not likely.
17:53<Hero_>thanks again old!
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17:53<Hero_>now I'm having another problem with FASM
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17:53<themill>db5: then install and reboot into your own > 2.6.27 kernel.
17:53<Hero_>hero@xHeroDebian:/tmp/fasm$ ./fasm examples/elfexe/hello.asm
17:53<Hero_>says 'error: Write failed
17:53<db5>interestingly, i just got make-kpkg working just before upgrade.
17:54<Hero_>and that's the example it came with!
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17:54<jordanm>,versions fasm
17:54<judd>Sorry, no package named 'fasm' was found.
17:54<jordanm>,file fasm
17:54<judd>fasm in lenny/i386: giflib-tools: usr/bin/gifasm; giflib-dbg: usr/lib/debug/usr/bin/gifasm
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17:55<db5>the kernel is of course 2.6.34
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17:56<db5>only failure was due to nvidia stuff, so i reverted to .31 with make-kpkg - worked nicely before the upgrade distaster
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18:15<mercutio22>suddenly totem and vlc do not play videos no more. What might be missing here?
18:15<mercutio22>Weird thing is mplayer does
18:15<gestdbr9>totem has never worked for me
18:15<old>mercutio22: MPlayer has its own codecs.
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18:16<gestdbr9>mainly cos it doesnt ship with a mpeg codec
18:16<mercutio22>old: so which codecs might I be missing to play for instance avi files
18:16<mercutio22>or mpg
18:16<Ouro>w32codes ?
18:16<gestdbr9>if its 'suddenly', thats obviously not your problem
18:16<Ouro>or whatever its called
18:17<old>Ouro: I thought these are for MPlayer?
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18:17<Ouro>i have no idea
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18:18<mercutio22>gestdbr9: I have no idea what changed. I using squeeze and that has happened after some updates
18:18<gestdbr9>mplayer uses a modified version of ffmpeg., and only windos shite if you tell it to
18:18<gestdbr9>just stick with mplayer then :)
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18:19<Ouro>i *think* totem uses w32codecs at least in some cases because it started playing some wmv's that it did not before for me
18:19<gestdbr9>tbh, i think i got totem working once, and it failed massively at seeking.
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18:19<Ouro>but i only used it a couple of times, so i am not sure
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18:19<old>mercutio22: Totem is based on GStreamer or xine (whatever you choose). Maybe there are some plugins missing?
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18:20<gestdbr9>wmv == anything
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18:20<mercutio22>old: I think I use gstreamer but all gstreamer related packages seem to be already installed
18:21<old>gestdbr9: MPlayer is CLI only in sid. It may be so in stable in future.
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18:21<gestdbr9>-menu, or gmplayer and --enable-gui
18:21<gestdbr9>this has nothing to do with debian, compile it properly!
18:22<mercutio22>miro, vlc and totem are failing. Only mplayer works, so maybe they share codecs?
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18:23<old>gestdbr9: None of these work for me.
18:23<gestdbr9>mercutio22, vlc uses native coders im pretty sure... thats a strange problem, although, maybe you compiled mplayer properly, but not vlc?
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18:24<gestdbr9>the docs are there at mplayer.hu anyway...
18:24<old>gestdbr9: I think majority of us use packaged versions...
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18:24<mercutio22>gestdbr9: I installed vlc precompiled from debian repos
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18:25<old>Was he a Gentoo user? :P
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18:26<mercutio22>http://debian.pastebin.com/SE0JaKWp
18:26<mercutio22>here's what vlc spits
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18:29<Ouro>is it possible to have invisible characters in a filename
18:29<old>mercutio22: Miro uses GStreamer as well. I'd blame that.
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18:29<old>I'll be going. Good night.
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18:33<mercutio22>hmm miro spits jack server is not running or cannot be started
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18:34<mercutio22>ok, I will give pulseaudio another try
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18:41<Hero_>Why is it when I type
18:42<Hero_>info --subnodes -o out.txt emacs
18:42<Hero_>i get this
18:42<Hero_>info: No menu item `emacs' in node `(dir)Top'.
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18:48<gNu>...
18:48<gNu>por GENTILEZA
18:48-!-gNu is now known as Guest245
18:48<Guest245>PRECISO DE MATERIAL
18:49<Guest245>LPI[
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18:50<mercutio22>looks like I am missing an Xvid decoder
18:50<qq->!Xvid
18:50<dpkg>Xvid (formerly XviD) is a video codec library. http://www.xvid.org/ Packaged in Debian Multimedia as libxvidcore4, ask me about <dmm>.
18:51<qq->!tell mercutio22 about dmm
18:52<mercutio22>qq-: hmm! maybe thats it
18:52<Hero_>How can I make it so when I open a folder it opens in the same window instead of creating a new window
18:53<Hero_>i checked preferences and anywhere else I could look
18:53<Hero_>found nothing
18:53<qq->Hero_, gnome ?
18:53<Hero_>yea
18:55<qq->nautilus> Preferences> Behavior>Behavior> check 'Single click' + 'Always open in browser windows'
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18:56<qq->well 'Single click' is optional ..
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19:00<Hero_>ha i looked right over it
19:00<Hero_>thanks qq
19:00<qq->np
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19:02<qq->i wonder why that 'Behavior' is not default ..
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19:07<qq->same things for "navigate_whit_arrows=1" in mc
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19:09<Hero_>it should be default!
19:09<Hero_>ok i want a dock that the icond get bigger on mouse over so i downloaded the deb file
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19:09<Hero_>what is the safest way to install this without messing up my system
19:10<Hero_>i was told not to use dpkg -i <name>
19:10<Hero_>apt-get install simdock couldn't find the packages
19:10<dr|z3d>Hero_: There are many docks that support that.
19:10<Hero_>i know I found one for deb users called simdock
19:10<dr|z3d>gnome-do, docky, cairo-dock.. gbar.. take your pick!
19:10<Hero_>http://sourceforge.net/projects/simdock/
19:11<dr|z3d>Try some of those I mentioned.. better to source from the repos if available.
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19:11<Hero_>I have the deb file I'm just not sure how I should install it without using dpkg -i <name>
19:11<dr|z3d>Sure.
19:11<dr|z3d>Or use a UI.
19:11<dr|z3d>gdedi-installer
19:11<dr|z3d>*gdebi
19:11<Hero_>someone told me installing single files with dpkg will mess my system up
19:12<Hero_>xHeroDebian:~# gdebi -h
19:12<Hero_>bash: gdebi: command not found
19:12<Hero_>xHeroDebian:~# gdebi
19:12<Hero_>bash: gdebi: command not found
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19:12<Hero_>oops
19:12<dr|z3d>aptitude install gdebi
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19:14<Hero_>is 'aptitude install gdebi' the same as 'apt-get install gdebi' ???
19:14<qq->ok, back to my router issue, how to test why lan pc don't pass the router ?
19:14<gpm>!why aptitude
19:14<dpkg>aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution and will often find a solution where apt-get gives up. It can be used from the command line like apt-get plus an interactive resolver makes it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. It has advanced search capabilities (see <aptitude search>).
19:16<gpm>(yes and no)
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19:18<qq->http://yourpaste.net/5671 ,5672 5676, 5677
19:18<Hero_>Ok I'm using the gdebi-gtk GUI and I found and opened my deb files and it says "Error: Dependancy is not satisfied libwnck18"
19:19<themill>Hero_: stop grabbing random .debs from the internet and trying to install them when they're not built for your debian release.
19:20<qq->Hero_, lenny has libwnck22
19:20<Hero_>themill I searched for a OSX style dock for debian man
19:20<Hero_>i found one
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19:21<Hero_>how else do i obtain files/apps that I want?
19:21<themill>Hero_: use aptitude. Use only aptitude.
19:21<themill>Hero_: just as we've told you for how many days running now.... "apt-cache search" or "aptitude search".
19:21<Hero_>so how do i go about finding a OSX style dock that aptitude can get for me?
19:21<Hero_>gotcha
19:21<Hero_>this is my SECOND day
19:22<Hero_>and no one said either of those commands
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19:22<qq->!tell Hero_ about as
19:23<Hero_>that awesome! If i would have known about aptitude search I would have only used that
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19:23<Hero_>you guys seriously different offer up that cmd yesterday!
19:23<Hero_>thanks!
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19:26<Hero_>Ok I searched "OSX dock" "OSX dock apps" "GNOME dock apps" "GNOME docklet"
19:26<Hero_>not one dock program that mimics OSX.....
19:26<dr|z3d>gnome-do, docky, cairo-dock.. gbar.. take your pick!
19:27<dr|z3d>,versions gnome-do
19:27<judd>gnome-do -- lenny: 0.4.2.0-1; sid: 0.8.3.1+dfsg-1; squeeze: 0.8.3.1+dfsg-1
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19:27<dr|z3d>,versions cairo-dock
19:27<judd>cairo-dock -- sid: 2.1.3.10-1; squeeze: 2.1.3.10-1
19:28<dr|z3d>http://do.davebsd.com/wiki/Docky
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19:33<Hero_>ok...i ran aptitude install gnome-do
19:33<Hero_>got it with no problem
19:33<Hero_>then I wen to applications and ran the app
19:33<Hero_>all it says is start typing to search
19:33<Hero_>I'm confused now
19:33<gpm>prefs
19:33<Hero_>i thought it was a dock prog
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19:35<Hero_>ok i took a look at prefs
19:35<Hero_>still not getting man...
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19:36<gpm>prefs->appearance
19:36<gpm>selected theme change to docky
19:36<gpm>you're going to have to learn to tie your own shoes
19:37<Hero_>whats throwing me off is the program description
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19:37<Hero_>I understand what gnome-do is used for that's why i'm so confused how we are getting a dock out of this
19:38<gpm>what's the problem? gnome-do finds and launches shit
19:38<gpm>docks launch shit
19:38<gpm>end of discussion
19:39<Hero_>ok let me try this again. Under PREF for the app there is no appearances tab/section and NOTHING that says theme
19:39<Hero_>on ANY tab
19:39<gpm>which version of debian?
19:39<Hero_>no idea.. I downloaded it and installed debian yesterday
19:39<Hero_>right from the site
19:40<Hero_>so i guess the most recent
19:40<gpm>you're probably running stable, which has a pretty old version of gnome-do
19:40<gpm>if this is a desktop machine
19:40<gpm>you may want to consider testing
19:40<gpm>or
19:40<gpm>dare i say it?
19:40<gpm>ubuntu
19:40<themill>gpm: no.
19:40<themill>gpm: do not recommend that new users run testing
19:41<gpm>ok fine
19:41<gpm>then
19:41<Hero_>hmm... back at square one
19:41<gpm>gnome-do is more like gnome-can't-do
19:41<Hero_>should i try to aptitude another one like cairo?
19:41<Hero_>i see that!
19:43<Hero_>...
19:44<gpm>sure try em out
19:44<gpm>why not?
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19:44<Hero_>how do i remove gnome-do?
19:44<gpm>for any package you install with aptitude you can aptitude remove it
19:46<Hero_>install/search couldn't find anything on docky, cairo-dock, gbar
19:46<Hero_>this is crazy to just get one stupid program
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19:50<Hero_>so how can i find a dock program?
19:51<Hero_>dow do i know what to put in the search parameters?
19:51<retrospectacus>you put the thing(s) you want to search for. Amazing, I know
19:52<retrospectacus>aptitude search docky should def. return the package "docky"
19:54<Hero_>xHeroDebian:/tmp# aptitude search docky
19:54<Hero_>xHeroDebian:/tmp#
19:54<Hero_>...
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19:56<Hero_>it returns nothings? i have tried a BUNCH of different things to search under to find an OSX dock
19:56<retrospectacus>have you run aptitude update? pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list
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19:58<retrospectacus>,versions docky
19:58<judd>docky -- sid: 2.0.4-1; squeeze: 2.0.4-1
19:58<Hero_>i have the contents of that file in "copy" but im unfamiliar with pastebin
19:58<retrospectacus>woop not available for you
19:58<retrospectacus>!pastebin
19:58<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <paste2pastebin.pl>.
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19:59<Hero_>http://paste.debian.net/77697/
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20:00<Hero_>5.0.4 is my version! now i know :)
20:02<Hero_>so what did you find out from my source.list?
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20:03<retrospectacus>that you are running Lenny, and so you cannot get docky
20:03<retrospectacus>,versions cairo-dock
20:03<judd>cairo-dock -- sid: 2.1.3.10-1; squeeze: 2.1.3.10-1
20:03<retrospectacus>or that
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20:06<Hero_>i know lol I have tried every search... I;m getting nothing :(
20:06<gpm>there might not be such a program in lenny.
20:06<gpm>:(
20:07<gpm>it looks great on squeeze though
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20:10<inkbottle>Hi, I wan't to use rsync without ssh (so through a rsync daemon); But it then seems that i have to open so ports!? Problem is, i never did this kind of thing before; could you tel me how to proceed, only very basic features are required
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20:12<Hero_>what is squeeze? I see a lot of people that come in here use it
20:12<Hero_>can I switch to it?
20:12<Hero_>why didn't I see it as an option when I downloaded debian?
20:12<retrospectacus>Hero_: you can. Ask dpkg about lenny->squeeze
20:12<gpm>you can't use it if you don't know what it is
20:13<inkbottle>ssh can access port 22; my cups can access port 80 (?); where do i see that these ports are opened?
20:14<retrospectacus>inkbottle: nmap ?
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20:14<inkbottle>retrospectacus, i check :)
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20:18<Hero_>How do i switch from lenny to squeeze???
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20:18<retrospectacus>!tell Hero_ about lenny->squeeze
20:19<retrospectacus>dpkg just told you. you can ask him about lots of things
20:19<dpkg>parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, retrospectacus
20:19<retrospectacus>except thtt
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20:21<Hero_>cool. is there a APT command that I can use to tell me which packages are soley for stable
20:21<Hero_>I only installed xChat
20:22<inkbottle>retrospectacus, so nmap show that on both sides port 111 is opened "111/tcp open rpcbind"; then why does rsync says it cannot access to that port (do i have to launch rsync -daemon as root?)
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20:23<retrospectacus>inkbottle: yes you do, and rsync uses port 873
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20:23<retrospectacus>nmap localhost -prsync
20:24<inkbottle>"I do"="i do have to launch it as root"?
20:24<retrospectacus>Hero_: nothing to worry about there. Packages are almost never "discontinued" and if they are it shouldn't cause any problem
20:25<retrospectacus>yes inkbottle
20:25<inkbottle>813, ok, thought is was 111
20:25<inkbottle>ok :)
20:25<retrospectacus>inkbottle: /etc/init.d/rsync start should do it
20:25<gpm>themill: on guard! someone is telling our favorite n00b to use squeeze
20:25<themill>*sob*
20:26<Hero_>well i see more people are using it... and I would like to have access to more app/packages
20:26<inkbottle>retrospectacus, good; only on one side, right?
20:26<inkbottle>one is server, the other only client?
20:26<themill>retrospectacus: unless you're promising to be here 24h per day to hand-hold new users who don't know anything about linux or debian, please don't do that.
20:26<Hero_>both of you stopped talking about my problem with me
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20:27<Hero_>that's like the third thing i can't use/do because I'm new to linux..
20:27<Hero_>where do I start?
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20:28<Hero_>how do i learn about linux to so I progress to things like "testing" and "squeeze"????
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20:29<Hero_>everyone wants to tell me I shouldn't do things.... but you can't take the time to explain why I shoudn't and what they do
20:29<Hero_>I need to learn people you are leaving me in the dark!
20:29<gpm>lol
20:29<philsf>Hero_, the usual way is to break things and fix them
20:30<gpm>or read
20:30<retrospectacus>ask dpkg about grounding
20:30<Hero_>do you have some documentation you can offer up?
20:30<gpm>Hero_: there's a lot of great info on debian wiki
20:30<Hero_>!dpkg grounding
20:30<dpkg>Before asking in here or on the <debian-user> mailing list, you should read the Installation Guide, or if you already have Debian installed, the Debian Reference. Ask me about <ig>, <reference>, <refcard>, <docs>, <manuals>, <fundamentals>, <newbiedoc>, <faq>, <unix lessons>, <general cli tutorial>. (e.g. in your IRC client, type /msg dpkg reference)
20:30<gpm>Hero_: wiki.debian.org
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20:30<retrospectacus>Hero_: /msg dpkg fundamentals
20:30<gpm>and as always google
20:31<gpm>for instance, instead of asking what squeeze is, you could've googled such as "debian squeeze"
20:31<Hero_>gpm: I google daily... it always returns CRAP
20:31<gpm>wow
20:31<gpm>that's gotta suck
20:31<Hero_>either outdated...not for my system...bad documentation
20:31<Hero_>I DID
20:31<Hero_>wanna see the return?
20:32<philsf>Hero_, do you have a question now?
20:32<gpm>what you mean how the first result explains exactly what it is?
20:32<Hero_>http://www.google.com/search?q=linux+squeeze%3F&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.debian:en-US:unofficial&client=iceweasel-a
20:32<Hero_>non of those pages told me what squeeze is!!!
20:32<gpm>the second one does
20:32<gpm>squeeze release information
20:33<retrospectacus>Hero_: talk to the dpkg bot, he knows what squeeze is
20:33<retrospectacus>like I said... he knows a lot of things
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20:33<retrospectacus>39254 things to be exact
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20:34<Hero_>I kinda figured it was a debian release
20:34-!-Genesis||BC2 is now known as Genesis|
20:34<Hero_>but from reading that it makes no sense as to why I shouldn't use it
20:34-!-Genesis| is now known as Genesis||nothere
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20:34<Hero_>thanks retro
20:34<Hero_>I will ask dpkg bot more things now
20:34<themill>!moving target
20:34<dpkg>Sure, testing might be shiner that stable, but are you prepared to be continually updating your system? Things that worked today will break tomorrow. Configuration file formats will change and you'll have to fold your changes in yet again. Testing is a moving target and if you'd rather work *with* your computer rather than working *on* your computer, you might not want that. See <testing security>.
20:35<retrospectacus>great
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20:35<Hero_>that's all I wanted was an explanation...by updating daily does it mean running "aptitude update" ???
20:36<Hero_>squeeze is not for me! point made :)
20:37<gpm>lol
20:37<retrospectacus>yes. You will find things that are not working, have to report bugs, then wait impatiently for bugs to be fixed and make it into the repositories... then you will want things in sid and set up <tum> etc. etc...
20:38<retrospectacus>best bet is to be happy and "stable" with slightly less older software
20:38<Hero_>lol not for me :)
20:38<Hero_>so then back to my original problem
20:38<Hero_>obtaining apps/packages for debian stable
20:39<Hero_>i would like a damn OSX dock
20:39<Hero_>there are hundreds out there right?
20:39<retrospectacus>iirc, your original problem was "I want OSX" - the solution is install OSX
20:39<Hero_>i don't want OSX
20:39<Hero_>i want a OSX dock
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20:40<Hero_>avant-window-navigator - A MacOS X like panel for GNOME
20:40<retrospectacus>,versions avant-window-navigator
20:40<judd>avant-window-navigator -- lenny: 0.2.6-7; squeeze: 0.3.2.1-6+b1; sid: 0.4.0-1
20:40<Hero_>this it?
20:40<Hero_>lol!!!!
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20:41<retrospectacus>never tried it. Also it is beer time. Catch you on the flipside crackers
20:41<gpm>word
20:42<Hero_>Ok i installed it
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20:42<Hero_>then i went to applications and ran it
20:42<Hero_>nothing happened
20:42<Hero_>grrrrr
20:43<qq->3D is installed ?
20:43<inkbottle>I did /etc/init.d/rsync start; but nmap says "tcp closed rsync". What have i missed?
20:44<Hero_>talking to me qq?
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20:48<qq->Hero_, yes
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20:49<qq->, depends avant-window-navigator
20:49<judd>avant-window-navigator -- depends: libawn0 (>= 0.2.6), libc6 (>= 2.7-1), libcairo2 (>= 1.2.4), libdbus-glib-1-2 (>= 0.71), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.16.0), libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2.12.0), libwnck22 (>= 2.22.0), libx11-6, gconf2 (>= 2.10.1-2), avant-window-navigator-data (>= 0.2.6-7), metacity (>= 2.21.5) | xcompmgr | compiz | xfwm4 (>= 4.2) | kde-window-manager (>= 4:4.0.0).
20:50<Hero_>looks like its for kde
20:50<Hero_>not gome
20:50<Hero_>and I have no idea if 3D is installed
20:50<Hero_>i searched it and got a crap load i the list
20:50<qq->aka compiz
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20:51<Hero_>should i get compiz-gnome?
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20:52<qq->anyways all depends must be installed already
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20:52<Hero_>yea because i used aptitude right?
20:53<Hero_>i ran compiz-gnome just incase
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20:53<qq->Hero_, your card driver support 3D ?
20:53<Hero_>got a whole bunch of crap
20:53<qq->video card
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20:53<Hero_>yes it does
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20:54<qq->and it works (i means 3D) ?
20:54<inkbottle>I've found this: http://en.sysadminpages.com/2010/03/linux-install-rsync-debian-lenny/
20:54<Hero_>yes this was a windows os before i switched and I played WOW for a couple years
20:55<qq->Hero_, in debian i means ..
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20:55<Hero_>no idea how do i test it?
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20:56<qq->Hero_, fix that before , what's your video card ?
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21:03<Hero_>hmm
21:03<Hero_>is there a way debian can tell me?
21:03<Hero_>i have 6 mahcines have no idea what card is in here
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21:03<gpm>lspci
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21:04<Hero_>http://paste.debian.net/77701/
21:05<gpm>ATI Technologies Inc RS480 [Radeon Xpress 200G Series]
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21:06<kingofnerds>does ftp.us.debian.org have ipv6 connectivity?
21:07<kingofnerds>it is working much faster though
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21:10<Hero_>whats your idea qq?
21:10<Hero_>ATI Technologies Inc RS480 [Radeon Xpress 200G Series]
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21:16<inkbottle>retrospectacus, thanks to your help, I've found the tutorial http://en.sysadminpages.com/2010/03/linux-install-rsync-debian-lenny/; And i've now my files flowing with only 25% cpu load :-)
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21:17<inkbottle>could the link above be added to the bot? I haven't found much help for that (rsyncd/debian), on the net
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21:18<gpm>!help
21:19<gpm>inkbottle: just say rsync is <link> or somesuch
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21:19<gpm>(to dpkg)
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21:20<inkbottle>gpm, thanks, i've never done that... what is the exact syntax for that?
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21:21<gpm>!tell inkbottle about help
21:21<inkbottle>!dpkg dpkg
21:21<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, dpkg is the program used by debian to install and remove packages, "man dpkg". Also ask me about <reference>. The main info bot in #debian is also called dpkg; ask me about <dpkgbot>.
21:22<gpm>inkbottle: if you want to create a factoid called x just /msg dpkg x is blah blah blah
21:22<gpm>it's that simple
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21:22<gpm>i think if the factoid already exists it will append unless you say no, x is blah blah
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21:23<inkbottle>ok i get it :)
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21:25<inkbottle>!rsync
21:25<dpkg>somebody said rsync was a superior network file synchronization program. Handy for downloading a Linux kernel, eg: rsync -avz --partial rsync.kernel.org::pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/linux-2.6.29.3.tar.bz2 /usr/local/home/peej/src/ Useful for backups as per http://www.mikerubel.org/computers/rsync_snapshots/ , see also <rsnapshot>. http://rsync.samba.org/ #rsync on irc.freenode.net.
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21:28<inkbottle>!rsync
21:28<dpkg>rumour has it, rsync is a superior network file synchronization program. Handy for downloading a Linux kernel, eg: rsync -avz --partial rsync.kernel.org::pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/linux-2.6.29.3.tar.bz2 /usr/local/home/peej/src/ Useful for backups as per http://www.mikerubel.org/computers/rsync_snapshots/ , see also <rsnapshot>. http://rsync.samba.org/ #rsync on irc.freenode.net.
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21:36<inkbottle>gpm: ...but rsync is already something else...
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21:36<inkbottle>i'll do it later
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21:38<gpm>inkbottle: i think you can say rsync is also blah blah
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21:38<ir0n>allo
21:38<ir0n>jaursai besoin d'aide pour configurez mon nouveesau debian
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21:39<Hero_>that french or german?
21:40<Hero_>nice installing g++ and eclipse so i can resume my c++ on linux
21:40<Hero_>muhahaha
21:40<Kallisti>I can't see anything when I log in in graphical mode, I know its running programs though because the wireless (handles by knetworkmanager) connects
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21:40<Hero_>!G++
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21:40<Kallisti>xorg.conf appears to be missing as well
21:40<Hero_>welcome back qq!
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21:41<Hero_>ATI Technologies Inc RS480 [Radeon Xpress 200G Series] :)
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21:41<Hero_>!eclipse
21:41<dpkg>well, eclipse is the end of the world, or an extensible IDE written in Java, packaged for Debian. http://wiki.eclipse.org/IRC_FAQ http://www.eclipse.org/ #eclipse on irc.freenode.net.
21:41<qq->!Radeon
21:41<dpkg>[radeon] A brand of graphic processing units by ATI (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radeon). Xorg driver packaged for Debian as xserver-xorg-video-radeon, optionally install libgl1-mesa-dri for 3D acceleration; Squeeze users, ask me about <radeon firmware>. See also <radeonhd>, <fglrx>. http://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo #radeon on irc.freenode.net.
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21:43<Kallisti>reconfiguring xserver-xorg with dpkg does not bring back the xorg.conf file
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21:44<qq->Kallisti, Xorg -reconfigure :0
21:44<qq->Kallisti, Xorg -configure :0
21:44<Hero_>Kallisti: that was for me
21:44<qq->see last one
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21:45<Hero_>this libgl1-mesa-dri
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21:47<Hero_>i tried both of those qq and aptitude didn't install either one
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21:47<Hero_>No packages will be installed, upgraded, or removed.
21:47<Hero_>0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 10 not upgraded.
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21:49<Hero_>qq: hello>
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21:52<Kallisti2>Xorg -configure throws a segmentation fault
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21:53<Hero_>!eclipse errors
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21:54<Kallisti2>Hmm, mysql is also failing to start, could that be realted?
21:54<Kallisti2>*related
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21:55<srbaker>heya folks
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21:55<srbaker>anyone know if firefox licensing has changed enough to allow us to stop calling it iceweasel?
21:55<srbaker>i'm hearing conflicting reports
21:55<gpm>well there's no firefox in debian
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21:56<gpm>only iceweasel
21:56<Kallisti2>I'd ask/search the debian-legal mailing list about that
21:56<srbaker>it's only iceweasel because of licensing. the licensing has changed. therefore, it's possible that we can call it firefox again
21:57<Kallisti2>Again, the debian legal mailing list is the place to go for that.
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21:57<srbaker>will look, thx
21:57<drizzt>how can I attach myself to some process input or output?
21:59<abrotman>superglue
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21:59<abrotman>drizzt: you'll have to give us more detail
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22:00<drizzt>i want to connect my terminal to some process input/output streams
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22:02<abrotman>judd: info retty --release lenny
22:02<judd>retty (utils, extra): attach processes running on other terminals. Version: 1.0-2; Size: 9.6k; Installed: 68k
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22:09<bremner>or screen or tmux if you want more features
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22:11<abrotman>i don't think screen/tmux can attach to an individual process ?
22:11<abrotman>without the PID owner saying so?
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22:12*kop finds socat is much like superglue
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22:16<bremner>abrotman: ah, sorry, my bad. right I think you have to start in screen/tmux
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22:32<Kallisti>Ok, continuing from earlier when I had to leave: I cannot see anything in KDE, I have a mouse cursor, and I get a popup telling me the wireless connected, but thats all. xorg.conf is missing, and running Xorg -configure causes a crash
22:32<Kallisti>This started after updating squeeze
22:35<craigevil>Kallisti: remove xserver-xorg-video-vmare then you should be able to do Xorg -config , the kde problem sounds like parts of kde4 missing
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22:36<Kallisti>craigevil: that results in xserver-xorg-video-all being removed as well, is that ok?
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22:38<craigevil>Kallisti: -video-all is just a empty metapackage its fine to remove it
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22:39<Kallisti>ok
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22:40<craigevil>Kallisti: for the kde problem do apt-get install --reinstall plasma-desktop if that doesnt fix it do mkdir ~/plasmabackup && mv ~/.kde/share/config/plasma* ~/plasmabackup then logout/login
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22:52<Kallisti>craigevil: Thanks, the vmware thing fixed the config file, and you were right about part of KDE being missing, the installer decided removing plasma was a good idea.
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23:00<craigevil>Kallisti: np :)
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23:04<Kallisti>and video stopped working... /facepalm
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23:10<craigevil>what video card?
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23:13<Kallisti>craigevil: intel... hmm
23:13<Kallisti>\lspci isn't giving me the exact model
23:14<Kallisti>Gma 3100
23:16<craigevil>take a look at http://x.org/wiki/IntelGraphicsDriver
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23:17<Kallisti>what am I looking for here?
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23:20<kop>Kallisti: lspci -nn
23:21<Kallisti>?
23:22<Kallisti>That seems the same as just lspci, the problem isn't that its not showing the graphics, but thats its telling me its a G31, which is the overall chipset not the graphics chip, though it looks like xorg documents bu the G number
23:24<Kallisti>How would this be graphics card related though, if the hardware acceleration fails, shouldn't it default to software acceleration?
23:25<qq->lspci -nn | grep VGA
23:25<Kallisti>that still gives me G31
23:26<Kallisti>spec from the MB box is that its a GMA 3100
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23:26<Kallisti>IF you're telling me this is a graphcs card problem though, I'll just install the ATI card I've been putting off
23:27<qq->put all output here special some xxxx:yyyy
23:27<Kallisti>00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation 82G33/G31 Express Integrated Graphics Controller [8086:29c2] (rev 02)
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23:28<qq->, pciid 8086:29c2
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23:28<judd>[8086:29c2] is '82G33/G31 Express Integrated Graphics Controller' from 'Intel Corporation' with no known kernel module in lenny but has kernel module 'i915' in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:29c2
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23:31<craigevil>actually the kernel in backports should work, it has 2.6.32-5 the same as testing and sid
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23:33<Kallisti>I'm on testing, just updated to 2.6.32-5 (which is what caused all this)
23:33<Kallisti>video has worked on this card for the last 3 years though
23:34<craigevil>did 2.6.32-3 work? there are a couple of posts at forums.debian.net about 2.6.32-5 causing issues
23:34<Kallisti>it did yeah, I still have it, let me reboot and see if video works there
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23:38<heffay>When running a chroot and mounting the /home, /tmp, /dev, and /proc; are any libraries shared? I have a program that worked fine before installing the choot and doesn't work at all after.
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23:38<Kallisti>.32-3 is getting the same problem, so its not kernel related, something else from the update
23:40<Kallisti>er, when I say video, I mean AV files, not the window manager itself
23:40<Kallisti>I was clear on that right?
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23:43<heffay>Can someone help me troubleshoot this issue?
23:43<Kallisti>Heffay: what's the issue?
23:44<craigevil>Kallisti: so avi files arent playing in what app?
23:44<heffay>when i try to run the program it says no such file, when its actually there
23:44<Kallisti>Kaffeine and Dragon Player, I can install some other things and try them if you name them
23:44<craigevil>Kallisti: its a bug that should be fixed in a day or two, http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=52945
23:45<Kallisti>ah
23:45<Kallisti>I guess I'll wait
23:45<Kallisti>thanks again
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23:47<Kallisti>ooh, or I can backport from sid
23:47<heffay>the program is skype. it used to work fine. then i installed a chroot to pull a few packages from testing (im running stable) and skype was suddenly broken
23:47<heffay>ive tried reinstalling it and it shows up in /usr/bin but when i try to run it i get the error no such file
23:48<craigevil>Kallisti: should be able to install from sid without a problem
23:48<Kallisti>will try that first
23:49<craigevil>heffay: try purging skype including any config files then reinstall it, if that doesnt work post in the skype forum
23:49<Kallisti>what are the files it thinks are missing?
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23:50<Hero_>why aren't the games working properly on facebook... the ones made with flash
23:50<heffay>i did that also
23:50<heffay>but
23:50<Kallisti>when did they stop working?
23:51<craigevil>um cause facebook sucks? or you dont have flash 10 installed
23:51<heffay>it stopped working only after installing the chroot
23:51<Kallisti>Sorry, I meant Hero_
23:51<Hero_>i used apt to search for any flash10 files to install
23:51<Hero_>found nothing
23:51<craigevil>!adobe flash
23:51<dpkg>Adobe Flash Player is <non-free> and cannot be in a stable Debian release, as Adobe do not provide security support for older versions (see http://bugs.debian.org/457291). The easiest way to install it is with the flashplayer-mozilla package from <debian-multimedia.org>; there is also a flashplugin-nonfree <contrib> package for sid and backports.org users. Ask me about <dmm> <bpo> <non-free>. http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer
23:51<Hero_>they never did work... this is my second day on linux.
23:52<craigevil>Hero_: either install flashplugin-nonfree using the backports repo or flashplayer-mozilla from dmm
23:52<Kallisti>ah, yeah, set up debian-multimedia, or download the plugin from adobe
23:52<Hero_>!backports
23:52<dpkg>backport is probably a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.org/ . Ask me about <backports.org> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>.
23:53<craigevil>Hero_: http://www.backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions
23:53<qq->!tell Hero_ about selftell
23:53<Kallisti>I have videa :D
23:54<qq->!win Kallisti
23:54<dpkg>Congratulations, Kallisti! You have won the US presidency!
23:54<Kallisti>Crap, I don't have any body armor though!
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