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---Logopened Thu Jun 17 00:00:30 2010
00:00<Hero_>wth I added the backports line to my source.list and its telling me i don't have permission to save it...
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00:01<craigevil>Hero_: you have to edit it as root
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00:03<qq->!tell Hero_ about grounding
00:03<Hero_>but anything else requiring root gives me a box warning me that it loaded without prompting my for my pass because I accidently checked "remember" pass when it first prompted me. Why doesn't it prompt when when i try to save?
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00:08<Hero_>I have looked at documention and googled it and nothing gives me a direct answer of how to edit my source.list in root
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00:17<Hero_>ok seriously guys... I have looked every... even http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch01.en.html#_the_root_account
00:17<Hero_>I even logged out and tried to log in under my root user and pass
00:18<Hero_>I googled it... I look through all menus surrounding the file
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00:23<craigevil>Hero_: su enter root password enter nano /etc/apt/sources.list or if you have synaptic installed add it under Settings>repositories
00:23<stygian>hello
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00:24<craigevil>Hero_: you can also install software-properties and change/add repos that way
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00:25<craigevil>Hero_: you can also do gksu and use whatever GUI text editor you prefer, gksu gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
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00:28<craigevil>Hero_: http://newbiedoc.berlios.de/wiki/Run_a_program_as_a_different_user
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00:29<Hero_>aha the newbie docs i need to go through!
00:29<Hero_>i looked everywhere it felt like
00:29<Hero_>let me test what you said
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00:32<Hero_>su <pass> su <login> <pass> su <login> all give me Unknown id
00:32<Hero_>i tried su -h
00:32<Hero_>told me nothing usefu;;l
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00:33<craigevil>Hero_: btw you can install newbiedoc, debian-reference-en , debian-refcard, aptitude-doc-en, those docs will help you a lot
00:34<satoru>I'm having a weird problem running Lenny on an EeePC...
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00:34<satoru>I can install it using an external DVD drive, but the drive is unavailable in the installed OS..
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00:34<JonathanYC>Hello :/
00:34<JonathanYC>Does anyone use netbeans?
00:34<satoru>lsusb, dmesg dont give me anything...
00:35<JonathanYC>anyone here*
00:35<Hero_>when i type su by itself
00:35<satoru>I tried updating the kernel to the one in lenny backports, and still not working.
00:35<Hero_>it doesn't prompt me for my pass
00:35<Hero_>and it shou;d
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00:36<satoru>I can't get any USB device to work, even with the 2.6.32 kernel?
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00:36<JonathanYC>Does anyone here use netbeans? :/
00:36<JonathanYC>I find it hard to believe
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00:36<JonathanYC>that among 372 people using sidux
00:36<JonathanYC>not one uses netbeans
00:37<franki->Erm, this is #debian, not #sidux
00:37<franki->But, I use netbeans, why?
00:37<JonathanYC>Oh haha wrong channel loaded, anyways
00:37<satoru>I can get USB devices to work when I install vista though so I don't think its a h/w issue...
00:37<JonathanYC>Would you happen to know where the netbeans.conf file is supposed to be?
00:37<JonathanYC>I have been searching for a while
00:37<satoru>Anyone have any ideas?
00:38<franki->JonathanYC: I have it in /usr/local/netbeans-6.8/etc/netbeans.conf but you might not, use locate to find it. :)
00:39<JonathanYC>Ah, thanks :D
00:39<JonathanYC>The netbeans wiki made it sound like
00:39<JonathanYC>it would always be in /etc/
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00:41<ALLurGroceries>satoru: make sure the usb modules are loaded
00:41<satoru>OK ill have a look...
00:42<ALLurGroceries>lsmod | grep usb
00:43<JonathanYC>OK, one final question :D
00:43<JonathanYC>If I accidentally press Ctrl+Alt+F12
00:43<JonathanYC>How should I get back to X?
00:43<JonathanYC>(I'm using KDE)
00:43<Hero_>AHA! all i needed to do was type 'su'
00:43<satoru>usbcore is loaded with 4 dependants...
00:44<Hero_>it wasn't prompting me for the pass because it was still 'remembered from that stupid checkbox i accidently clicked
00:44<satoru>uvcvideo, ehci_hcd and uhci_hcd are listed
00:44<Hero_>now i gotta find out how to make it start asking me for my root pass again
00:44<Hero_>thanks craigevil
00:44<ALLurGroceries>jonathanyc: ctrl alt f7 or f8
00:45<JonathanYC>OK, thanks :D
00:45<ALLurGroceries>satoru: if you tail /var/syslog while plugging devices see if u get any clues
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00:46<ALLurGroceries>err /var/log/syslog sorry
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00:49<satoru>It doesn't update when I add or remove the DVD drive...
00:50<satoru>But there are some earlier "USB drive detected..." statements in the log?
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00:50<ALLurGroceries>u said lsusb shows nothing at all?
00:51<satoru>I think they might be from boot time.
00:51<ALLurGroceries>not even root hubs?
00:51<satoru>Im just getting...
00:51<satoru>Bus 00x Device 001: ID.... Linux foundation 1.1 root hub x 4
00:52<Hero_>Thanks to everyone that decided to help me with my facebook/flash/games problem
00:53<Hero_>i added the backports/keyrings updated apt and installed the plugin
00:53<Hero_>lots of work for one issue!
00:53<Hero_>i look forward to the next
00:53<ALLurGroceries>satoru: does the usb cdrom get power... can you eject the tray when its plugged in?
00:53<satoru>Yes.
00:54<satoru>Looks normal...
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00:54<ALLurGroceries>do u have a webcam on the eee? is it not showing up on lsusb either?
00:54<satoru>It sounds like i even get some HD activity when I connect the drive?
00:55<satoru>Yeah - nothing.
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00:55<satoru>The webcam doesn't come up when i'm using a live cd (i dont think), but the ether or wlan does as well as the drive...
00:57<ALLurGroceries>ether and wlan should be pci tho. webcam and bluetooth maybe are usually usb. at least u know its not the cdrom drive itself.
00:57<satoru>Its weird - works fine when I boot off the drive, but nothing when I connect it after boot on lenny...
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00:57<satoru>Yeah - the drive even works on another lenny machine I have here with the 2.6.26 kernel...
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00:58<satoru>But not the Eee
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00:59<ALLurGroceries>have u tweaked the bios settings like toggling legacy usb support or resetting to defaults?
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01:00<satoru>I'll have another look, but the only support Asus gave me was to update the BIOS which i've done...
01:02<doobian>ALLurGroceries, i dunno, but you might have to add it into your fstab to automount - i have never had a usb drive to speak of.
01:02<satoru>There's no option to enable or disable usb in the bios.
01:03<satoru>LAN and WLAN were disabled - just enabled them to see if thats the issue.
01:03<ALLurGroceries>doobian: satoru cant get any devices but root hubs to show up in lsusb and usb modules are presumably loaded
01:04<doobian>yea, it should not be an issue at all, have you tried to boot off of your usb cddrive by hitting f10 at bootup?
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01:06<satoru>It boots fine with the USB. Just not when I try to connect it after boot
01:06<doobian>f10/f2/del/ whatever it is... it should come up with a boot selection screen
01:06<satoru>When I connect it or disconnect it I get the Disabling IRQ23 message on the first time, and then nothing after that on other tries...
01:07<satoru>I get the bios if I hit f2 at boot
01:07<doobian>oh, ok... mm have you tried to manually mount it?
01:07<satoru>its not coming up in lsusb or dmesg as a device
01:08<ALLurGroceries>if it doesnt show up in lsusb it wont be in /dev so that wouldnt work
01:08<satoru>The only dev that looks like a dvd drive is sg0 but when I try to mount it says its not a block device
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01:09<satoru>With that IRQ23 message, earlier on it says:
01:09<doobian>are you using gnome? usually it just works in gnome ok for me.
01:09<satoru>irq: 23: nobody cared (try booting with the "irqpoll" option)
01:09<satoru>then
01:10<satoru>pid: 0, comm: swapper not tainted 2.6.26-2-686 #1
01:10<ab22e>hello, I was wondering if someone could help me, anyone here fimular with par2 files? I have a folder that has 25 par2 files that I need to check. Is there some way to check them all at one time as opposed to one-by-one? Right now I just been opening all 24 in pypar2 but it boggs my machine down something crazy.
01:10<satoru>not working in gnome either.
01:10<ALLurGroceries>oh maybe u have a conflict.. did u try booting with irqpoll
01:10<ab22e>*can someone help me
01:11<satoru>i'll look into it - is it a config setting or something?
01:11<doobian>ab22e, i use hellanzb to check - unrar directories
01:12<ALLurGroceries>no u specify it on the grub boot... edit it at the boot menu. just add a space after the last option and add irqpoll in there
01:12<ab22e>doobian, i been using something called NzbGet, it is supposed to par them and unrar them for me but it dosent seem to work. I tried hellanzb but it kept crashing on me
01:12<jm_>try using par2 command then
01:12<jm_>hellanzb checks them out of the box, no config needed
01:13<doobian>hellanzb -p ~/downloads/
01:13<ab22e>didn't they stop dev hellanzb?
01:14<doobian>i dont use it to download though, i just use it to par2 and put things together
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01:14<jm_>there haven't been any updates for a while, but hey, it works
01:15<ab22e>doobian, ah ok... do you have any suggestions for what to use to download? I tried quite a few things nothing seems to work well for me, this NZBget is nice but there are no docs for it and seems like not alot of people use it
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01:16<doobian>pan2 is my fav!
01:16<doobian>if you are into newsgroups, which i assume you are
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01:17<ab22e>doobian, ya? I will have to try it. Yea I am. Mostly downloading mass amounts of media
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01:18<doobian>you can select an nzb in a group and tell it to download from nzb, but it doesn't put them together for you
01:18<satoru>trying irqpoll now
01:19<doobian>ab22e, me too, it can do massive media
01:21<ab22e>nice i will try it thanks alot
01:22<satoru>nothing with irqpoll...
01:22<satoru>commands are about 4x slower and,
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01:22<satoru>i'm getting this mouse lost synchronization error
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01:22<doobian>ab22e, it will remind you of agent, if you have ever used that. it can display some huge groups too.. i only have 78 megs and it handles them fine
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01:23<ALLurGroceries>satoru: what eee model is it?
01:23<doobian>*768 megs :P
01:23<satoru>1001px: just released
01:23<satoru>N250
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01:25<satoru>N450 sorry
01:25<hamish>hiya, I'm looking to compile a kernel for the first time and I'm not sure how to include efivars.
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01:25<Guest270>anyone able to point me in the right direction?
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01:28<ALLurGroceries>hamish: when you make menuconfig make sure efi variable support is enabled under firmware drivers
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01:29<satoru>do you think it might be ah/w issue?
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01:29<satoru>I noticed that irqpoll is used to sort out dodgy firmware.
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01:34<ALLurGroceries>yes that is why i asked about bios settings... u can try booting with acpi=off or acpi=noirq and/or noapic or nolapic. with acpi=off u wont have a battery gauge so only use that to test. u can see all the options if u search for kernel-parameters.txt
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01:38<satoru>ok - looking at those params atm.
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01:39<satoru>ALLurGroceries: where are the params set?
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01:42<ALLurGroceries>satoru: just pass them on the grub command line at the boot menu. hit e to edit then go to the end of the line and add option=value and then hit b or ctrl x for grub2
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01:44<spuddwebb>hey, i'm getting a silly error that seems to pop up on bugtracking but i've seen no resolution to it
01:44<spuddwebb>grub-mkconfig: /usr/sbin/grub-probe: error: cannot find a device for /
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01:44<spuddwebb>on squeeze
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01:45<spuddwebb>maybe it's because my root is on a crypto volume that itself sits on a raid volume
01:51<ab22e>doobian, do you have a second think you could help me out with hella just have a question
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01:53<ab22e>doobian, installed it and set everything up, made my daemon.queue folder threw an NZB in there then ran 'hellanzb' in the term and it just says... (newshosting) Opening 25 connections...
01:53<ab22e>hellanzb - Now monitoring queue... shouldn't it start downloading?
01:53<jm_>ab22e: no, you need to enqueue the downloads
01:54<ab22e>jm_, oh? how do I do that? sorry first time I used this program
01:55<jm_>ab22e: 'hellanzb enqeueue file.nzb' in another terminal, then watch how the other one starts working
01:55<jm_>enqueue even
01:56<ab22e>well this looks bad
01:56<ab22e>jm_ ~$ hellanzb enqueue
01:56<ab22e>Invalid arguments? for call: enqueue (XMLRPC server: http://hellanzb:changeme@localhost:8760) faultString: error
01:56<ab22e>lol
01:56<jm_>ab22e: did you set passwords etc?
01:56<ab22e>yea, changeme@localhost haha
01:57<ab22e>localhost@localhost ?
01:57<ab22e>wait, what do i put there?
01:58<satoru>Thanks for your help guys! Gonna try a few different kernel configs, and see what happens!
01:59<ALLurGroceries>satoru: good luck. if u find a solution make sure to post it somewhere :)
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02:04<satoru>will do
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02:09<jm_>read the comments in default hellanzb.conf - it should be straight forward - you can set any password you want
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02:26<twb>Suppose I'm migrating from syslog-ng to rsyslog.
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02:26<twb>The only configuration rule I change is to add a "CC all messages to <logserv IP> over UDP".
02:26<twb>How does one say that in rsyslog?
02:27<twb>It looks I can just stick a file in /etc/rsyslog.conf.d/cc-logserv that has the same notation as traditional sysklogd.
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02:52<Moss_M>hmm my irssi keeps dying and i can't figure out whats killing it on my vps
02:52<madduck>what's a process watcher i can use as a normal user? e.g. I want to start nbd-server and have it be properly supervised, so I'd like to use an @reboot cron job to start a supervisor
02:52<Moss_M>any idea where to look
02:52<madduck>Moss_M: do you have console access?
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02:52<Moss_M>yes i am root
02:52<jm_>Moss_M: run it in debugger
02:53<Moss_M>run irssi in debug?
02:53<madduck>i doubt irssi kills the vps
02:53<Moss_M>no
02:53<Moss_M>irssi dies
02:53<Moss_M>not vice versa
02:53<twb>Wouldn't an init script be more natural than an @reboot job?
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02:54<madduck>twb: i am a normal uiser
02:54<twb>Oh, right
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02:55<twb>When I needed inetd-type auto-restarting of my window manager, I just rolled a little script of my own to do it
02:55<twb>http://pastebin.com/sykRsTwb
02:55<madduck>NIH-syndrome ;)
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02:55*madduck eyes daemontools
02:55<twb>Yes.
02:55<madduck>i *can* get the admin to install that
02:56<twb>But also, I did that about eight years ago
02:56<madduck> supervise switches to the directory named s and starts ./run. It restarts ./run if ./run exits. It pauses for a second after starting ./run, so that it does
02:56<madduck> not loop too quickly if ./run exits immediately.
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02:57<twb>I'm also a fan of using /usr/sbin/start-stop-daemon in ~/.profile ;-)
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02:58<jm_>Moss_M: not in debug, in *debugger*
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03:26<diagaro>sayo. can someone point me in the direction of a soulution to my problem?
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03:38<nima_>hi every one i need a program to use camera chat(video chat) whats the name in repo and pidgin can support video chat?
03:41<diagaro>@nima_ last i saw pidgin explicitly did not support webcam. things can change in a short time and whos to say it cant be programed to work but thats my two cents. im still verry new to the more powreful OS's
03:44<nima_>diagaro, tnx but i need a package soppurt webcam i know in pidgin cant use web.tell me about another package or program im amator in linux
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03:51<chaos-irssi>/sbin/iptables -A PREROUTING -t nat -p tcp -d ${ip} --dport 7845 -j DNAT --to 192.168.1.3:7845
03:51<chaos-irssi>/sbin/iptables -A POSTROUTING -t nat -p tcp -d 192.168.1.3 --dport 4899 -j SNAT --to 192.168.1.1
03:51<chaos-irssi>should that work?
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03:52<tuxcrafter>hi all i want to make a ssh port forwarding but i dont know what the exact command should be: i have a server that can access a modem with ip 192.168.100.1 i want to forward this with ssh so i can make my client access 192.168.100.1 with his own web browser
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03:58<nima_>i need a program to use video chat plz help me
04:01<whirl>nima_: try ekiga or just the evil skype
04:01<whirl>gtalk should work with some programs too
04:03<EmleyMoor>I am trying to run an svgalib program I have compiled from source (it's z81), and it just blanks the screen. I can quit the program, but not see it work. Is there anything in Debian I could try to prove whether svgalib is working? If not, how do I troubleshoot?
04:05<twb>Can I point rmadison at snapshots.debian.org?
04:06<nima_>whirl, tnx men i try to use this package ;)
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04:09<diagaro>tineychat.com?
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04:26<nima_>whats command of change cpu freg to maximum freg?
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04:29<umarzuki>nima, use cpufreq
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04:30<nima_>umarzuki, i khow it but when i use that cpufreg not change
04:30<jm_>nima_: man cpufreq-set
04:30<nima_>umarzuki, i use cpufreg-set -u but didnt work
04:31<umarzuki>use "performance" monitor
04:31<twb>Is there ever a legitimate reason to use the performance governor?
04:32<twb>ondemand or conservative should DTRT
04:32<nima_>plz say complete command im too amator in linux
04:32<nima_>where i use peformance?
04:33<umarzuki>there an article somewhere on setting up cpufreq
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04:33<jm_>use cpufreq -g ondemand and it will automatically adjust freq. as needed - alternatively use userspace but that requires additional tools to auto-adjust it
04:34<umarzuki>or read http://technowizah.com/2007/01/debian-how-to-cpu-frequency-management.html
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04:34<umarzuki>but still, like jm_, i don't get it why to use "max" cpu freq?
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04:38<twb>jm_: ondemand's the default in squeeze
04:38<nima_>jm_, umarzuki the command it nima: cpufreq-set -g performance
04:39<twb>I guess nima_ might be using lenny
04:39<nima_>jm_, umarzuki tnx brothers
04:39<nima_>twb, no i use squeez ;) testing
04:40<twb>nima_: then why are you trying to set the governor?
04:40<umarzuki>he wants max cpufreq
04:40<umarzuki>max all the way?
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04:41<umarzuki>i don't think that is posible even with performance
04:41<nima_>twb, i use netbook lenovo and this cpu is atom 1.64 Ghz and i need full power cpu to work because i work sound application and sound application use high cpu ok?
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04:42<nima_>twb, i dont need that command but so beter my cpu work power full
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04:46<Guest292>hi
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04:52<jm_>nima: atom doesn't do cpu frequency scalling AFAIK
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04:54<twb>That is not correct.
04:54<twb>I believe some of the older desktop models lacked frequency scaling; current-generation N450s support acpi-cpufreq.
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04:55<twb>From nima_'s description, he likely has an N450 or a Z; in the latter case he's using a poulsbo GPU so he might as well throw it in the trash
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04:58<jm_>yes, it appears n450 does, but d510 doesn't
04:59<twb>Ah, righto.
05:00<twb>I've got 30 d510s arriving next month :-)
05:01<jm_>I wonder if yours will also exhibit temp. reading issues
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05:03<twb>jm_: hmm?
05:03<twb>I don't collect thermal data from my systems
05:04<jm_>twb: on-board sensors report spurious temperatures, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=576932
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05:04<jm_>but this shouldn't really be submitted to BTS, I'll add a comment
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05:27<phoenix_>Can someone tell me how I can manage users in Debian 5 (xfce)?
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05:36<acky>hi
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05:36<Curan>hi, is there a tool to merge the partial package lists from the /var/lib/apt/lists/partial directory into the "complete" lists in /var/lib/apt/lists?
05:37<felixs>phoenix_: use the passwd and adduser package
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05:41<Metrahla>hi, im using debian, and cant get flash working on ephypany, is there any simple way i can install flash even if i have to install another browser.. so that i can watch videos on you tube
05:42<Metrahla>anyone helpin g?
05:42<jm_>do you have flash installed at all?
05:45<bremner>!flash Metrahla
05:45<bremner>dpkg: tell Metrahla -about flash
05:46<Metrahla>may there be a simple tag i can type on the terminal to make it work ? or.. any simple way ?
05:46<bremner>Metrahla: did you read the message from the dpkg bot?
05:47<Metrahla>bremner, oh ok... ill install mozilla , afterwards.. gnash
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05:48<Metrahla>bremner, ive tryed to understand has mutch has i could from the bot message
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05:48<twb>phoenix_: define "manage" and "users"
05:48<Tuplad>what should I do before repartitioning a drive ? (I thought about backing up the partition table)
05:48<bremner>Tuplad: backup the contents?
05:49<Tuplad>bremner: not an optio
05:49<Tuplad>n
05:49<twb>phoenix_: For conventional flat-file unix accounts, the traditional tools should suffice.
05:49<Tuplad>bremner: I'm removing 1 partition and resizing the other to add the empty space of the deleted partition to it. it's on my external hdd, can't back it up ;o
05:49<bremner>Tuplad: in that case, prayer to an appropriate deity seems in order.
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05:50<Tuplad>haha
05:50<Metrahla>bremner, u think mozzila with gnash could wach the you tube videos ? :S
05:50<bremner>Metrahla: no idea, I don't know anything more than the bot.
05:50<Metrahla>ok..
05:51<bremner>but if you have a fast enough connection for youtube, I guess you can install it and see how it works...
05:51<bremner>(it=gnash)
05:52<Metrahla>k ty
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05:56<phoenix_>twb, I was looking for a GUI kind of tool for deleting/adding/admin-giving and etc, options.
05:57<twb>phoenix_: why?
05:59<screenn>ejabberd starting too long is it ok?
05:59<jm_>Metrahla: alternative are tools like clive, youtube-dl
05:59<phoenix_>I'm just use to using GUI tools, without the worry of making huge mistake with my stuff. I generally avoid terminals unless I have to (for compiling/installing more tools, making a driver work, and running ./app-name).
06:00<phoenix_>(Past distros I used were fedora, ubuntu, and linuxmint).
06:00<bremner>phoenix_: are you really administering a multi-user machine, or just your personal desktop/laptop?
06:01<Metrahla>jm_, you mean.. to combine with wich browser ? to play movies you mean?
06:01<bremner>on my personal machines, I just don't do very much user manipulation, except to add myself to a group from time to time
06:02<Metrahla>jm_, may i be wrong.. or there was some kind of restriction .. with debian and flash ?
06:03<jm_>Metrahla: no, to download youtube videos and play with other players
06:03<Metrahla>ok
06:03<phoenix_>Just my personal desktop. I was recommended to use this distro, so I'm just trying, looking to see if it's going to be simple for my family to use. (As they aren't a computer wiz with things like that).
06:04<jm_>Metrahla: flash is non-free, you can install a package that downloads and installs it
06:04<jm_>except for 64bit
06:04<Metrahla>!non free
06:04<twb>FSVO "64bit" = all architectures other than i386, I'll wager.
06:06<jm_>I guess
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06:16<iotaka>Hi, I'm trying to install on a debian lenny Request Tracker 3.8. It is in lenny-backports. The problem is that request-tracker3.8 has unmet dependencies. The missing package are in squeeze. My question is in /etc/apt/preferences wich Pin-Priority I must to us to avoid to install package from squeeze? Thank you.
06:17<zem>phoenix_: something like System>Administration>Users And Groups?
06:17<twb>iotaka: trying to mix lenny and squeeze will result in Bad Juju
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06:17<twb>iotaka: you should not need anything from squeeze to install a package from lenny-backports
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06:18<iotaka>twb: try to install request-tracker3.8
06:19<Metrahla>jm_, this is why i think my flash dont work, read the bot .. .. wait..
06:19<Metrahla>adobe flash
06:19<iotaka>twb: can be a bug
06:19<Metrahla>!adobe flash
06:19<dpkg>Adobe Flash Player is <non-free> and cannot be in a stable Debian release, as Adobe do not provide security support for older versions (see http://bugs.debian.org/457291). The easiest way to install it is with the flashplayer-mozilla package from <debian-multimedia.org>; there is also a flashplugin-nonfree <contrib> package for sid and backports.org users. Ask me about <dmm> <bpo> <non-free>. http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer
06:19<Metrahla>so i think ill install firefox
06:21<phoenix_>zem, Exactly. (That which I do not see as an option at this moment).
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06:40<felixs>phoenix_: one huge mistake would be running gui-tools as root to begin with
06:41<phoenix_>I'm not on root though. I'm on my pre-made user account. (apparently, it's admin without sudo permission).
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06:43<twb>Whether your initial user has sudo privileges depends on whether you provide a root password at install time
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07:15<austinium>hi iam trying to share a folder over LAN via NFS. I have setup /etc/export on the server to share a folder to all IPs with RW access - *(rw,sync). on the client when I try to mount using mount -t nfs4 ServerIP:/pathToShare MountPoint i get the following error: mount.nfs4: mounting... failed, reason given by server: No such file or directory
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07:17<austinium>server & clients run Lenny
07:17<bzed>austinium: you want to read the manpage properly
07:17<bzed>austinium: or use nfsv3
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07:21<Metrahla>firefox is replaced by iceweasel on debian, so how can i do iceweasel play flash ? anyone?
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07:23<themill>dpkg: tell Metrahla about adobe flash
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07:25<mantz>good day. I've got a problem with X in gnome: I have no numpad numbers (num lock on)
07:25<mantz>on console it works fine, in X, no go (gnome terminal, ffox url bar, etc)
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07:27<mantz>anyone here?
07:28<felixs>mantz: does it work with a(nother) windowmanager?
07:28<kazzali>hi friends
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07:29<mantz>not tried yet. any special choice to of WM?
07:30<kazzali>hi
07:30<felixs>doesnt matter much, just to check that its not a gnome bug
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07:31<felixs>e.g. try the default WM shipped with X
07:31<felixs>and some non-gnome terminal of course (like xterm, rxvt,...)
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07:37<mantz>xterm has the same problem
07:37<mantz>gdm interestingly can use the numpad for the username
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07:44<mantz>now it gets interesting: another user has no problem using the numpad, only my specific one does
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08:20<AbsNewbie>Hi there everyone I am wondreing how to deny sftp users to go upper in
08:20<AbsNewbie> the hierarchy, actually I just created the sftp users with adduser,
08:20<AbsNewbie> modified their home to the path to the place for files sharing, and
08:20<AbsNewbie> I modified their "kind of shell" to /usr/lib/openssh/sftp-server in
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08:20<AbsNewbie> give me a hand?
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08:22<AbsNewbie>Hi there everyone I am wondreing how to deny sftp users to go upper in the hierarchy, actually I just created the sftp users with adduser, modified their home to the path to the place for files sharing, and I modified their "kind of shell" to /usr/lib/openssh/sftp-server in order to limit them to just use sftp commands, so please can anyone give me a hand? The bad thing is that users can do cd .. and climb upper in the file hierarchy and for instance ge
08:23<AbsNewbie> and then put it again so it is not nice Any support will be really apreciated, thanks in advance
08:23<petemc>use scponly
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08:25<AbsNewbie>petemc: I am afraid that scponly does not support sftp, which I am forced to give support to
08:26<petemc>yes it does
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08:30<kbailey>anyone else - kernel panics on etch machines? I've had two kernel panic this morning
08:31<kbailey>BTW - have repeatedly advised clients to upgrade - they've been holding off.
08:31<jordanm>etch is no longer supported
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08:32<kbailey>i know it's no longer supported - I#ve advised clients to upgrade and authorise us to carry it out - now there's been problems they will hopefully pull fingers out
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08:34<jordanm>well, I would be suspicious of hardware issues
08:35<kbailey>agreed their both epia based systems running SCSI hard disks - but to kernel panic 120 miles apart on the same morning is helluva coincidence
08:36<kbailey>you've made me realise that they have the same mobo's
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08:38<kbailey>at least it looks like there's no general attack going on against etch machine's causing kernel panics by exploiting some unpatched vuln
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08:39<jordanm>is it using etchnhalf?
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08:51<kbailey>don't think it's echnhalf - the machine which is backup is - Linux secure2 2.6.8-2-386 #1 Tue Aug 16 12:46:35 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux
08:52<kbailey>correction - don't think it's echnhalf - the machine which is back up is - Linux secure2 2.6.8-2-386 #1 Tue Aug 16 12:46:35 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux
08:52<whirl>off topic but Im desperate, anyone here know of free streams for the world cup?
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08:53<jordanm>kbailey: neither one of those are etch kernels
08:53<jordanm>kbailey: older...
08:53<jordanm>,kernles
08:53<jordanm>,kernels
08:53<judd>Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.34-1-686 (2.6.34-1~experimental.2); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-15); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-15); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-15~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-22lenny1); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2)
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08:54<jordanm>kbailey: sure you are not running sarge?
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08:55<kbailey>i think they were both originally sarge - and were then upgraded to etch
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08:55<jordanm>kbailey: not all the way upgraded it seems
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08:56<kbailey>hmm.. you mean they kernels were not upgraded
08:56<kbailey>hmm.. you mean the kernels were not upgraded
08:56<jeremyb>kernels are people too!
08:56<AzaToth_work>would a init script that modifies iptables and sets /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward require $network?
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08:57<kbailey>interesting - at least this points towards something - so there might be something RE sarge kernels on etch systems?
08:57<jordanm>kbailey: I have no idea what kind of issues it would cause, asside from the kernel being vulnerable to secruity flaws..
08:58<jordanm>kbailey: before you move on to lenny, you will want to run etchnhalf for the transition
08:58*jeremyb is having problems with lvm2 on debian-live-60alpha1-amd64-standard.iso (after 'apt-get update;apt-get install lvm2')
08:58<jordanm>kbailey: I wasn't around for the sarge days'
08:58<jeremyb>should i give up and just use raw partitions? is this the right place to discuss?
08:59<kbailey>hmmm... so when upgrading I should have upgraded the kernel as well?
08:59<jordanm>jeremyb: you are trying to use debian live to partition? the debian installer can make lvm volumes
08:59<jordanm>kbailey: yes... as described in the upgrade notes... it even should have done it for you unless you had the kernel on "hold"
08:59<jordanm>kbailey: whats the output of apt-cache policy apt libc6?
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09:02<kbailey>i followed upgrade notes - and would not have the kernel on hold - will need to check but I thought the uhpgrade would have upgraded the kernel
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09:02<jeremyb>jordanm: i'm making a handful of one time use nodes that need to be up quick and won't live more than a couple days. i was thinking fai or preseed (but have no experience with either of those) Hydroxide suggested using live systems so I was trying that but when making LVs on local disks (20GB sda) lvm hangs. seems to not be consistent. can pastebin strace if you like
09:02<jeremyb>jordanm: this is for /var/{spool,log}
09:02<kbailey>secure2:/var/log# apt-cache policy apt libc6
09:02<kbailey>apt:
09:02<kbailey> Installed: 0.6.46.4-0.1+etch1
09:02<kbailey> Candidate: 0.6.46.4-0.1+etch1
09:02<kbailey> Version table:
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09:03<jeremyb>debhelper is mighty fast
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09:03<jordanm>jeremyb: I would just use knoppix then... its very close to regular debian and has lvm tools pre-installed
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09:04<jordanm>!tell kbailey about paste
09:04<kbailey>sorry for flod
09:04<kbailey>sorry for flood
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09:04<manha_>oiii
09:04<jeremyb>heh, i just clicked the wrong lang @ knopper.net
09:04<jordanm>kbailey: my guess is that the kernel meta package is not installed. e.g. linux-image-686
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09:05<manha_>hello
09:05<manha_>oiiiiiiiiii
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09:05<kbailey>the only kernel installed looks like ii linux-kernel-headers 2.6.18-7 Linux Kernel Headers for development
09:05<jeremyb>manha_ ?
09:06<jordanm>kbailey: thats not a kernel, thats just the headers, and it is from etch
09:06<jordanm>kbailey: the kernel packages may have been named differently in sarge
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09:07<kbailey>you're right - ii kernel-image-2.6.8-2-38 2.6.8-16sarge1 Linux kernel image for version 2.6.8 on 386
09:07<jordanm>they don't do -386 kernels anymore either
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09:10<satoru>Anyone had any issues with USB support in Lenny on an EeePC?
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09:11<jordanm>kbailey: freewayprojects?
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09:11<kbailey>funny thing is - both server's clocks were slightly out (5 - 10 mins) - so I've stopped chrony for now
09:11<jordanm>is ntpd running?
09:11<kbailey>yes
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09:12<satoru>I've been baffled for the past couple of days.
09:12<kbailey>yes to freewayprojects - - no to htpd running - they were running chrony
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09:13<jordanm>!tell satoru about anyone
09:14<satoru>jordan: ??
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09:14<satoru>jordanm: ?
09:15<jordanm>!anyone
09:15<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
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09:16<satoru>Ok got it - sorry.
09:17<kbailey>yes to freewayprojects - - no to ntpd running - they were running chrony
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09:17<satoru>Nothing is coming up on dmesg or lsusb when I connect a device in Lenny on an EeePC.
09:18<satoru>Works in Squeeze and XP etc.
09:18<satoru>It also works for the installer when I boot off a USB DVD drive.
09:18<satoru>But nothing in the OS itself.
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09:18<bremner>satoru: try #debian-eeepc, SynrG monitors that one pretty closely
09:18<jordanm>which kernel?
09:19<satoru>2.6.26
09:19<jordanm>you may want to try the backports kernel, but I am with bremner on the eeepc specific channel
09:19<satoru>bremner: cheers!
09:19<satoru>Still nothing with 2.6.32-bpo-5...
09:20<satoru>in Backports.
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09:23<pablete>ola
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09:24<pablete>ola
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09:27<pablete>ola
09:27<themill>!es-social pablete
09:27<dpkg>pablete: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador por favor ingresa al canal social de #debian-es con /join #debian-es-cachondeo. Tus amigos probablemente ya esten ahi.
09:29<pablete>me da igual yo kiero hablar en español
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09:37<NickyP>pong
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10:15<eljefe>Running Sid on my work machine and grub 1.98-20100614-1 (and -2, and reverting to 1.98-1 from testing) has rendered my desktop unbootable, with a grub error "Unaligned pointer 0x4c194c76" Has anyone else had this, and a solution? Bug has been reported but no fix given, at http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=586143
10:16<jordanm>eljefe: there is something seriously wrong with that statement.... "Running Sid on my work machine"
10:16<eljefe>heh, true
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10:18<zumbi>eljefe: maybe you could use a livecd/USB or rescuecd/USB to reinstall grub
10:18<gsimmons>eljefe: Run grub-install as suggested (/msg dpkg fixmbr). You may also want to "dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc" to ensure this is performed during package upgrades.
10:19<eljefe>i tried both of those
10:19<eljefe>lemme try the /msg
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10:19<diagaro>jesuss you people are up early
10:20<eljefe>lol
10:20<zumbi>diagaro: diferent timezone
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10:21*diagaro pacific time zone just up for work
10:21<eljefe>so the /msg says to run what i have already run without success. grub-install gives an error "/usr/bin/grub-mkimage: not found" and grub-install /dev/sda does some stuff and ends with "Cannot find list of partitions!"
10:22<eljefe>gsimmons other thoughts?
10:22<Azhax>hi, may i know which is the most people use for failover mailserver?
10:23<diagaro>fail-over? lol
10:24<Azhax>diagaro, yerp..why?
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10:24<diagaro>herp derp funny name
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10:25<eljefe>gsimmons, zumbi: i was able to get it with "grub-setup /dev/sda" but the bug report says not to run that. nothing else worked for me however :(
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10:44<klutiy>elemilio
10:44<klutiy>elemilio
10:44<klutiy>elemilio
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10:45<claviceps>hi, is this methode the correct one for applying patches when building packages https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-art/2009-December/011605.html ? i.e. copy .diff to ~/x/debian/patches?
10:45<klutiy>(*)
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10:47<bremner>claviceps: without reading the linked article, I can tell you it depends on the package. What are you trying to do?
10:49<claviceps>trying to apply a patch to gimp and to build debian packages (so i don't mess up my system)
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10:50<bremner>claviceps: is there a file debian/patches/series ? If so, add the name of the patch file to that file.
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10:51<claviceps>ah, that might do the trick
10:51<Chemick>hello all :) I just test my Xchat....it's working?
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10:53<bremner>Chemick: yes
10:53<claviceps>yes it is
10:53<Chemick>great]]
10:54<Chemick>witch linux do you hawe?
10:54<Chemick>have?
10:54<petemc>Chemick: you're in a debian support channel...
10:54<Chemick>yes, i now
10:55<Chemick>but I don't have debian
10:55<petemc>then you're in the wrong channel
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10:56<Chemick>why?
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10:57<Chemick>a like debian but I don't use them
10:57<jordanm>Chemick: do you need debian support? if not, that is why
10:57<Chemick>ok
10:57<Chemick>however, good luck and good day ;]
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11:04<claviceps>modifying debian/patches/series doesn't seem to have any effekt? is there a difference between .patch and .diff?
11:06<bremner>claviceps: if the simple thing didn't work, you probably need to go to #debian-mentors and ask for help.
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11:10<bremner>claviceps: you will want to let people know that gimp is a '3.0 (quilt)' package.
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12:27<Hero_>Ok i googled "How to execute a shell script" and found http://unixhelp.ed.ac.uk/scrpt/scrpt1.2.html
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12:27<Hero_>I ran 'chmod u+rwx myscript.sh'
12:28<Hero_>that page says to just type the name of the script to execute it
12:28<Hero_>doesn't matter is I type 'myscript.sh' or 'myscript'
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12:28<retrospectacus>Hero_: you must type ./myscript.sh
12:28<Hero_>bash: myscript.sh: command not found
12:28<Hero_>gotcha!
12:28<dr|z3d>try ./myscript
12:29<Hero_>that works thanks!
12:29<retrospectacus>Hero_: it's because "." is not in your $PATH
12:29<retrospectacus>read up on that
12:29<Hero_>will do thanks!
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12:30<gmvdpm>olaa
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12:30<gmvdpm>callate
12:30<locklace>!slap gmvdpm
12:30*dpkg strikes a resounding *THWAP* across gmvdpm's face
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12:31<gmvdpm>cabron
12:31<@Ganneff>!es
12:31<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat
12:31<locklace>gmvdpm: habla ingles o salte
12:32<gmvdpm>noo
12:32<gmvdpm>jajja
12:32<gmvdpm>hello
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12:32<@Ganneff>who the fuck is misusing chanserv, btw?
12:32<themill>!es-social gmvdpm
12:32<dpkg>gmvdpm: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador por favor ingresa al canal social de #debian-es con /join #debian-es-cachondeo. Tus amigos probablemente ya esten ahi.
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12:32<retrospectacus>!lart gmvdpm
12:32*dpkg pulls out his louisville slugger and uses gmvdpm's head to break the homerun record
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12:34<chella>hi
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12:40<MadBlack>hi
12:40<MadBlack>know an easy way to remove gnome and all its dependencies?
12:41<themill>!remove gnome
12:41<dpkg>To remove or purge GNOME 2.x: aptitude remove ~nlibgnome ~nlibbonobo2 ~nliborbit2 ~nlibgnomeui ~nlibgnomevfs2. Use 'purge' instead of 'remove' if that's what you want (ask me about <purge>).
12:41<MadBlack>thanks
12:41<MadBlack>!remove kde
12:41<dpkg>To remove or purge KDE: aptitude remove kdelibs-data kdelibs4c2a kdelibs5 kdelibs5-data. Use 'purge' instead of 'remove' if that's what you want (ask me about <purge>).
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12:44<MadBlack>themill: that command cause dependency issues
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12:45<themill>MadBlack: yes... dependency issues that should cause all of gnome (or KDE) to be removed
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12:52<MadBlack>themill: where can i find e guide to aptitud wich explayn commands like that?
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12:55<kop>MadBlack: install aptitude-doc-en, it's then in /usr/share/doc/aptitude/, but in html so it's a pain to read.
12:56<MadBlack>ok, thanks
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13:02<Hero_>I just installed pida via aptitude. I ran the the app and it asked me if I would like to use emacs or vim. I asked dpkg about both and decided to choose emacs. After I made the selection and hit ok nothing happened. I opened the app again and a small splash screen says "Pida is starting and it loves you" then it dissapears and the app never opens.
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13:02<Hero_>what could be the issue?
13:03<Hero_>So far every IDE I have installed for any programming language hasn't worked.
13:03<Hero_>Eclipse get to "loading work bench" then sits there for hours
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13:10<Hero_>Wow I fixed my own problem
13:10<Hero_>I used the terminal and wrote 'pida -D' then it asked me again for emacs or vim
13:10<Hero_>I chose vim this time and it loaded fine
13:10<Hero_>and idea why emacs didn't work though?
13:11<retrospectacus>do you have emacs installed?
13:11<Hero_>hehe thought it came with debian
13:11*Hero_ shoots self in foot
13:11<Hero_>vim came with debian right?
13:11<Hero_>so i just assumed both did
13:12<retrospectacus>emacs does not... vim probably does. Emacs is very large and a lot of people don't like it
13:13<Hero_>gotcha!
13:13<retrospectacus>you are of course welcome to install it
13:13<Hero_>nah vims works fine :)
13:13<Hero_>and i guess has syntax highlighting
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13:16<amine>hi
13:17<bremner>retrospectacus: vim and emacs both "come with Debian" in any reasonable definition.
13:18<retrospectacus>I was going with the definition "are installed by the Lenny DVD1 standard system + Desktop"
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13:19<bremner>ok
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13:20<bremner>it just sounded strange, like emacs was not in the repos
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13:24<nsousa>kvm, virt-manager issue: after using the virt-manager to install a LENNY on an LVM partition, the guest system does not boot properly
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13:24<nsousa>during boot, it hangs on "waiting for root device"
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13:25<nsousa>if I install using virt-install it works fine
13:25<nsousa>any ideias?
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13:27<kop>nsousa: Sounds like you need to rebuild the initrd. Re-installing the kernel (with -f ?) will do that as part of the install process. But, this is only a guess.
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13:28<gandal>ciao a tutti
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13:29<kop>!it
13:29<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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13:29<gandal>grazie
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13:31<nsousa>hurr
13:31<nsousa>kop: I have no ideia how to do that
13:32<kop>nsousa: You'd say "aptitude reinstall linux-image....". You may need to first boot from the install cd in rescue mode and chroot into your new system.
13:33<nsousa>kp
13:33<nsousa>kop: ok, I don't know if that is possible on the virtual machine
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13:46<nsousa>kop: maybe it is possible:P
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14:46<ubuntu>hello
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14:47<Guest335>how is it possible to boot from usb mass storage device on an old computer?
14:47<Guest335>it would be a diskless home server
14:48<Lethalman>Guest335, it's not always possible, maybe there're possibilities using floppy then boot to usb
14:48<dr|z3d>Guest335: supergrub might help you there.
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14:50<Guest335>is it possible to create a linux floppy or cd that recognizes usb disk?
14:50<dr|z3d>Yes.
14:50<dr|z3d>Investigate supergrub.
14:51<Guest335>thank you very much
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15:11<Capao>Hey everyone. So I'm really trying to master this GNU/Linux thing...Most of my browsers (iceweasel, konquer) crash frequently. I suspect it's caused by Flash since elinks is trouble free. Anyway, I was wondering if there is any sort of crash log in Debian. Can someone point me to the right directory?
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15:12<Capao>(please, of course.)
15:12<jordanm>Capao: /var/log/messages, /var/log/syslog, and dmesg (kernel), are your log dumping grounds
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15:14<jordanm>Capao: you should note that the command "dmesg" is not the same as /var/log/dmesg
15:14<Capao>guess I need root priv's to read /var/logs/messages?
15:15<jordanm>yes, you should need root to read anything in /var/log
15:15<jordanm>Capao: also, if you launch a crashing application in a terminal instead of using it's icon, often it will give information in the terminal
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15:17<Capao>/var/logs/messages doesn't seem to show anyting, nor does dmesg | tail
15:17<Capao>going to launch from terminal.
15:17<Capao>and of course wait for the crash.
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15:18<Capao>brb. (thanks for the support, will follow up)
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15:34<ubuntu_>well,it is too complicated
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15:35<ubuntu_>i would like to mount that usb storage on startup.but bios dont has this option
15:35<themill>ubuntu_: I'll take a wild guess that you really want #ubuntu on irc.freenode.net
15:37<ubuntu_>i use ubuntu live only :)
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16:14<Capao>Iceweasel crashed only when I pointed it at Youtube. The terminal output simply says, "Illegal instrution"
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16:15<valdyn>Capao: is a crash.. if flash "knew" why it crashed to give you that information it would not crash..
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16:15<Capao>I'm certain it's flash as it happens to all gui browsers and only started happining after installing flash via aptitude.
16:16<jordanm>Capao: enroll in the html5 beta
16:16<jordanm>you may need to get proprietary google-chrome from google though
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16:17<Capao>I'm pretty green behind the ears so I'm unsure of what enrolling in html5 means. Guess it's google time...
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16:17<jordanm>Capao: http://www.youtube.com/html5
16:18<Capao>:) can't youtube it, it'll crash
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16:18<jordanm>Capao: well, that is the page where you need to click the link to join beta
16:19<Capao>::removes foot from mouth:: should have checked before responing. sorry. gonna read it, brb
16:19<jordanm>Capao: what is the output of: update-alternatives --list flash-mozilla?
16:20<jordanm>Capao: the free implementations of flash (such as gnash) don't work very well at all...
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16:22<Capao>yep, gonna have to do some reading. On a differnt note, does leaving my machine connected to any irc server make me vulnerable in any way?
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16:23<valdyn>Capao: sure
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16:24<Capao>Raising the drawbridge. Thanks everyone for all the advice. Time to read up on html5. See ya soon! :)
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16:25<jordanm>yeah, whoever thought of DCC and IPs in the open must not have had security in mind
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16:56<[DK]Dexter>Hi. Is it possible to add a network driver for the hd media files?
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16:57<retrospectacus>[DK]Dexter: a network driver? for a media file?
16:57<retrospectacus>!confuse retrospectacus
16:57<dpkg>No, how is their gouda today, retrospectacus? Breeches of the Republic of Micronesia with extra crabpaste.
16:58<retrospectacus>mmm gouda
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16:58<[DK]Dexter>what i mean is the img you write for usb boot with dd. And i need to add Via Rhine lan driver
17:00<retrospectacus>I believe you can, but I'm not sure how. Someone in here probably knows though...
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17:01<retrospectacus>!installer firmware
17:01<dpkg>Debian-Installer since Lenny is able to load additional <firmware>, by including it within installation media or supplying on removable media (e.g. USB stick, floppy). See http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch06s04 and http://dannf.org/bloggf/tech/add-firmware-to . To include firmware within Debian <netboot> images, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/NetbootFirmware
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17:09<retrospectacus>[DK]Dexter: check some of those links?
17:09<[DK]Dexter>thank you
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17:32<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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18:22<AzaToth>anyone knows what an "omnibus patch" means?
18:22<AzaToth>can't find any definition
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19:00<bremner>it means a patch that does a bunch of things
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19:22<retrospectacus>ntpd is running but the time is off by 2 mins for days now
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19:25<abrotman>retrospectacus: off compared to what?
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19:29<retrospectacus>my other boxen
19:29<retrospectacus>which are using ntpd and appear correct
19:29<abrotman>you can slew the time if you want
19:31<retrospectacus>emm well why should I have to?
19:32<abrotman>you don't have to .. but if it's off by two minutes, it might take a week or so to correct that otherwise
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19:39<retrospectacus>that's pretty dumb.. why not just speed up time for a few minutes to catch up?
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19:43<klando>Hi, I have a directory I *sudently* can not acces anymore as a normal user. I have 'acces denied' and ls show a lot of ????
19:43<klando>what can be the problem ? (as root I can cat file)
19:44<abrotman>klando: time to fsck the file system
19:44<klando>abrotman: just did, fsck did find anything :-(
19:44<abrotman>retrospectacus: not really a fantastic idea
19:44<abrotman>neither is slewing .. but it solves your issue
19:44<klando>dir was in a mount sshfs, but still all unmounted, rebooted fscked, same pb
19:44<abrotman>klando: are you sure it did the fsck on that file system ?
19:44*klando go and check :)
19:45<klando>abrotman: yes
19:45<abrotman>klando: did fsck find anything?
19:46<klando>no
19:46<klando>I had this issue looong time ago
19:46<abrotman>ls -l and lsattr show ? marks ?
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19:47<abrotman>what file system is the directory on ?
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19:47<klando>ext3
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19:50<klando>abrotman: http://privatepaste.com/2926948049
19:51<klando>and no attributes
19:51<abrotman>very much looks like filesystem corruption to me
19:51<klando>wtf
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20:09<klando>abrotman: all clear with fsck http://privatepaste.com/faa3894f83
20:09<klando>will go for -c :-(
20:13<klando>AH, I remember the last time I saw that it was with reiserfs... bad fealing ...
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21:56<dazzill>sup
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21:59<sisk>Is there a way to easily switch back and forth between keyboard layouts?
22:02<franki->I think Gnome has a panel applet, KDE too probably.
22:02<abrotman>sisk: in what?
22:03<sisk>I run Fluxbox. I'm trying to learn Dvorak, but my wife has to use this computer to and doesn't want to relearn how to type.
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22:06<dr|z3d>aisk: so stop being a fascist ;0
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22:06<dongdong>??
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22:06<dr|z3d>-or- hook up two keyboards and show her how tp change to her layout :)
22:07<dkr>dr|z3d: it's better to be thought an idiot than to open your mouth and remove all doubt. :)
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22:07<dr|z3d>:)
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22:09<sisk>I don't need a second keyboard. I don't look at the keyboard anyway. I just need an easy way to switch layouts in X that will work with Fluxbox.
22:10<abrotman>!keymap
22:10<dpkg>To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap", or ask me about <drxx> or use kcontrol, gnome-control-center or similar. For setting up X keymaps, also check out xkeycaps and xev, or ask me about <multimedia keys>. In console you can also use "loadkeys" for once-only/temporary adjustments.
22:10<dr|z3d>when in doubt, install the gnome equivalent. it's in your repository. :)
22:10<abrotman>sisk: i don't htink fluxbox has an easy way
22:10<dkr>maybe make a menu entry that runs a simple shell script to run loadkeys
22:11<dr|z3d>"whatever suits" :)
22:11<dkr>or use a login manager like gdm to let her have her own session with her own keympa/wm
22:12<sisk>If I can find a command line that does it I can map a hotkey through Fluxbox. Guess I should have looked asked dpkg. I'll check out those programs.
22:12<dkr>or run two X servres and you can use ctl-alt-fx to bounce back and forth
22:12<sisk>Yeah, she has her own account, but she never uses it for some reason. I'm not sure she even knows the password anymore.
22:12<dkr>heh
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22:13<abrotman>you could fix that ?
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22:16<sisk>I've tried. I don't see any real reason to force the issue. It's not worth starting a fight over for a computer that I don't really do anything important on.
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22:17<sisk>Now if it were my laptop it'd be a different story, but she doesn't touch it.
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22:33<Juan_F12>Hola, soporte básico en debian?
22:33<SoloFlyer>sisk: your problem is she knows your password
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22:35<Juan_F12>algún hispanohablante?
22:35<Juan_F12>any spanish speaker?
22:36<abrotman>!es
22:36<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat
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23:31<cipher>Is anyone here familiar with fluxbox wm?
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23:31<cipher>My programs are not displaying in the task/menu bar.
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23:59<dotCOMmie>anyone have an idea as to what version of the kernel is used in testing installer?
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