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#debian IRC Logs for 2010-06-19

---Logopened Sat Jun 19 00:00:32 2010
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00:13<Nemoder_>anyone have a recommendation for a program to burn dvds? gnomebaker and brasero both crash for me
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00:17<Nemoder_>ugg all those kde libs :(
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00:18<bja>Nemoder_: either that or check wodim
00:18<Nemoder_>trying isomaster now, if this works i'll burn it with wodim
00:19<bja>good luck
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00:35<bja>Does anyone know wich protocol demands less bandwith xdmcp or vnc?
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01:35<shazbotmcnasty>you guys have dpkg right?
01:35<shazbotmcnasty>!find stuff
01:36<shazbotmcnasty>I was wondering if I could have him
01:36<shazbotmcnasty>and where to get him
01:37<jpinx>!tell shazbotmcnasty about selftell
01:37<dpkg>Debian Search of 'stuff' (6 of 39): (/usr/lib/pd/doc/7.stuff) in sound/puredata ;; (/usr/share/dist/U/cpp_stuff.U) in devel/dist ;; (/usr/include/postfix/iostuff.h) in devel/postfix-dev ;; (/usr/include/gromacs/sysstuff.h) in devel/gromacs-dev ;; (/usr/share/doc/chemeq/tests/test.stuff.gz) in tex/chemeq ;; (/usr/include/torch/string_stuff.h) in libdevel/libtorch3-dev.
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01:57<acu>two issues - Squeeze upgrade does not use HDMI at all when X starts - do not know what to do - second flashplugin-nonfree is not uploadable - in Squeeze - any solutions for this ?
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07:20<b3lsatar>why cant use pico or nano on root ?
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07:31<rasq>i'm unable to install grub-pc on my SID (i686)
07:32<rasq>pretty standard setup, but it gives me 'unknow filesystem'
07:32<rasq>cannot figure it out whats wrong
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07:55<klay>Hello guys
07:56<klay>i have a couple question i am thinking about updating"quantum jump" my system with one of these new AMD Phenom II x6 systems
07:57<klay>I have a nice setup with crunch bang but after doing some research theirs some things that are not supported with my current kernal
07:58<klay>is it possible to update your kernal to a newer release without screwing up everything?
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07:58<klay>anyone awake now?
07:58<jpinx-eeepc>klay: yes
07:58<jpinx-eeepc>klay: and yes
07:58<klay>is it simple?
07:59<klay>or will i have to compile a bunch of stuff?
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07:59<jpinx-eeepc>aptitude installed my uprade kernel from backports
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07:59<jpinx-eeepc>while I watched and ddrank tea
08:00<klay>kay, so its as simple as a deb file install?
08:00<dodddummy>i'm trying to uninstall lilo. apt-get tells me it's not installed. but when i boot it boots with lilo. how can that be?
08:00<klay>you know if those phenoms are any good with virtualization?
08:01<jpinx-eeepc>klay: read what I wrote -- aptitude install -t lenny-backports <kernel>
08:01<klay>thank you
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08:01<jpinx-eeepc>!tell klay about backports
08:01<jpinx-eeepc>!tell klay about kernel
08:02<klay>but i dont want to paddle backwards
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08:03<klay>im running a 9.4 686 varient of #! i do know ill have to look at ix64 varient once and if i can afford the upgrade.
08:04<bremner>!tell klay -about crunchbang
08:04<klay>whats wrong with crunchbang?
08:04<bremner>no idea
08:04<klay>i really like it
08:04<bremner>what did the bot tell you?
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08:05<bremner>just that it is off-topic for this particular channel, that's all.
08:05<klay>all i saw was "!tell klay -about crunchbang
08:05<klay>i looked at their site
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08:05<bremner>look for a private message from dpkg
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08:05<klay>of course how would i have installed or dled the *iso
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08:06<bremner>let me try again.
08:06<bremner>!crunchbang klay
08:06<jpinx-eeepc>klay: did you get any of those messages from dpkg?
08:06<dpkg>It's OK. OK stands for Zero Killed. If you keep on saying k, there won't be zero killed for much longer.
08:07<smv>anyone using a winfast tv 2000 tvtuner with sound on the aux port?
08:07<klay>thank you bremner
08:07<bremner>klay: welcome
08:07<klay>and dpkg
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08:07<klay>Is anyone absolutely creeped out at the TOS for M$ W7?
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08:08<klay>and having to "re-activate" after simple things like mem and drive upgrades?
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08:09<dpkg>#debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
08:10<klay>vondering away
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08:45<sfyn>Anyone here ever had an issue involving no text appearing on certain webpages, in both epiphany and mozilla?
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09:38<flaccid>with update-rc.d how do i set S01 instead of S02 ?
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09:38<flaccid>i need to get ssh to start earlier
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09:41<smv>unless i'm wrong, and i usually am, use: editor /etc/init.d/sshd
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09:42<flaccid>must be a way with update-rc.d
09:42<flaccid>instead of doing a mv
09:42<smv>i guess you should read man update-rc.d
09:43<flaccid>i have been
09:50<smv>something like update-rc.d sshd start 20 1 2 3 4 5 . stop 20 0 1 6 . but i don't have ssh server installed here and can't be sure. you should check by looking at the /etc/init.d/sshd if 12345 and 016 are the same, and if not change the command acordinglly
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09:50<smv>but, remmeber, i usually am wrong.
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09:51<flaccid>hmm what is 20 in your commands?
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09:53<flaccid>i need to do boot order, not runlevels
09:55<smv>20 is the two-digit sequence number that determines where in the sequence init will run the scripts. i guess you could change it with 10
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09:56<flaccid>it doesn't seem to effect
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10:01<smv>flaccid, what do you mean?
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10:02<flaccid>i'm just to basically do this mv /etc/rc4.d/S02myserv /etc/rc4.d/S04myserv
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10:04<smv>wouldn't be easyer to edit /etc/init.d/myserv and then use update-rc.d myserv defaults? it should create/move/delete as needed
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10:05<flaccid>they are not lsb compliant yet, only got chkconfig: 2345 97 03
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10:07<flaccid>but i should be able to give update-rc.d boot order but i don't now how
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10:10<smv>i guess boot order should be the 20 in update-rc.d sshd start 20 1 2 3 4 5 . stop 20 0 1 6 . but i surelly am wrong, and is above my knowledge. try asking later when more people are active
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10:30<Mikae>Hello all. I'm trying to compile glibc with debug information and without optimization. How can I pass -O0 option to the compiler?
10:35<qq->Mikae, try .configure --help , see glibc-doc , compiler doc , etc
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10:43<Mikae>qq-: Ok, I see that CFLAGS environment variable is probably what I want. The question is if it is enough just to assign variable's value before fakeroot debian/rules binary?
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10:44<qq->Mikae, i dunno, make same reading, compiling glibc is not easy thing
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10:44<kermit>you join here ?
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10:45<qq->s / make same/ do some
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10:46<qq->Mikae, sa told yesterday , ask in #gcc , and other specialized channels
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10:46<qq->s/sa /as
10:48<kermit>can anyone test if can join in here? it need be more than 60 seconds, it's just a chat . thanks
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10:50<qq->!tell kermit about offtopic
10:51<Mikae>qq-: I ask everywhere, nobody knows. Where I can find these specialized channels?
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10:52<qq->Mikae, i just told one #gcc on
10:53<qq->Mikae, other place is mailing list , google for that
10:53<kermit>then nobody will help me?
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10:55<qq->kermit, seems a spam from your part, don't do it here
10:55<kermit>qq-: okay
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10:56<Mikae>I get 'Cannot send to channel' when trying to write on #gcc. No voice?
10:57<bja>How do i manage to make uid = 1001 be able to mount a pen drive
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10:57<qq->Mikae, heve to register first ..
10:57<bja>the user is using lxde on his machine
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11:13<eike>when trying to install via apt-get, i get a reproducible error (for days now, and i tried another server): after staying at "99% [1 libqt4-dbg 160MB/160MB 100%]" for a while, i get a timeout message and afterwards it tells me the hash wouldn't fit. AFAICT the hash is fine...
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11:15<chaos>what iptables commands do i need if i want to allow some pcs connected to my eth1 on local ip to see the internet on my eth0 (with nat)?
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11:18<bja>chaos: man iptables for starters
11:20<ml|>bja: have you looked into using usbmount?
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11:21<bja>ml|: fixed it adding the user to a group :)
11:21<ml|>great, but usbmount is useful
11:22<bja>thx, i'll look further into it
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11:27<bja>chaos: ??
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11:28<chaos>if i wanted to read pages & pages of shit i wouldn't ask
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11:28<bja>if you thing a man page is shit, then linux is not for you
11:29<eike>chaos: you think others should read "pages & pages of shit" for you? i guess they won't.
11:29<bja>chaos: ^^
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11:30<chaos>of course they do
11:30<eike>anyone who would try to reproduce my problem with libqt4-dbg? i wouldn't even know against what to report a bug...
11:30<eike>chaos: 50 bucks an hour and i'll do it
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11:32<ml|>eike: check bts first and if you need to file a bug it would against that package
11:33<eike>but libqt4-dbg seems to be fine as far as i can tell
11:33<eike>i guess if apt-get would have problems with packages of that size (160 mb), someone else would already have found out...
11:34<ml|>have you tried with aptitude?
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11:34<eike>no - i'll try
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11:48<zulu>hey, I just upgraded to grub2, for the moment grub chainload grub2, it work perfectly (where is the update-from-grub-legacy everyone talk on google?)
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11:51<chaos-irssi>HiPPo:~# iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING --out-interface eth0 -j MASQUERADE
11:51<chaos-irssi>HiPPo:~# iptables --append FORWARD --in-interface eth1 -j ACCEPT
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11:51<chaos-irssi>that was so fucking complicated?
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11:52<chaos>szia zsolt
11:52<chaos>menekulj :P
11:52<zsolt>hova? :d
11:53<chaos>csak innen, altalaban ... olvasd el a doksit a valasz, ha akarsz valamit :s
11:53<chaos>mindjart kirugnak, mert nem szabad nem angolul szovegelni :P
11:53<zsolt>ok :d
11:54<zsolt>well how may I fix it? configure: error: Cannot build a 32-bit program, you need to install 32-bit development libraries.
11:54<zsolt>how may I install the dependencies for ./configure?
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12:06<dbldtx>Which of these are correct?: 1)$ sudo apt-get -f upgrade 2)$ sudo apt-get upgrade --fix-missing or are they the same thing?
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12:13<qq->, dpkg lenny->squeeze
12:13<qq->dpkg, lenny->squeeze
12:13<dpkg>Remove any APT source specific to stable (such as volatile), then s/lenny/squeeze/ on your sources.list and then aptitude update && aptitude install aptitude linux-image-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,'` ; reboot; aptitude safe-upgrade && aptitude full-upgrade. Important: see <squeeze udev>. Also ask me about <d-d-a>, <apt-listchanges>, <testing>.
12:13<craigevil>dbldtx: man apt-get
12:13<qq->!tell why aptitude
12:14<qq->!tell dbldtx about why aptitude
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12:25<caki> to install vmware on backtrack 4 final ?...
12:25<dpkg>BackTrack is not Debian and is not supported in #debian (ask me about <based on debian>). Try or #backtrack-linux on instead. BackTrack is a Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu> Intrepid (as of BackTrack 4), previously <SLAX>. Derived from merging two penetration-testing distributions: WHAX (formerly WHOPPIX) and Auditor Security Linux.
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12:26<caki>backtrack 4 finel is debian..but i can install on it
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12:28<abrotman>caki: Backtrack is NOT Debian, go ask #backtrack-linux on
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12:29<caki>soory abrotman..but backtrack is full debian...?
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12:30<eike>!based on debian
12:30<dpkg>Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't know what changes were made by your distribution and it probably falls short of Debian's standards. #debian only supports Debian; you should respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent.
12:32<caki>im so sorry but i have to insstall to install vmware on ubuntu 8.10?..please
12:32-!-mode/#debian [+o abrotman] by ChanServ
12:32<caki>using .deb
12:32-!-mode/#debian [+b *!*@] by abrotman
12:32-!-mode/#debian [-o abrotman] by abrotman
12:33<will_>here we support debian only
12:33<abrotman>caki: This channel only supports Debian, go ask whatever channel you want, try `/server` and then '/join #backtrack-linux'
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12:35<b3lsatar>why can't use wget and nano or pico or make ?
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12:46<dv->b3lsatar: what?
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12:51<Requia>Is there a way to look up at jobs that have already executed?
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12:55-!-mode/#debian [-b *!*@] by abrotman
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12:58<b3lsatar>dv- i have a root but im unable tu use wget to download file, i cant use nano or pico to edit .txt shoud i install something on root ?
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13:06<dv->b3lsatar: yes, probably
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13:08<b3lsatar>you don't have any ideea what shoud i install ?
13:09<abrotman>b3lsatar: and if you type 'wget' what is the error ?
13:09<dv->b3lsatar: install wget?
13:11<b3lsatar>failed: Temporary failure in name resolution.
13:11<b3lsatar>wget: unable to resolve host address ..
13:11<b3lsatar>that's the error
13:11<abrotman>so wget works, your DNS is broken ?
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13:13<Requia>see if you can ping
13:14<Requia>if that fails see if you can ping
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13:15<b3lsatar>root@debian:~# ping
13:15<b3lsatar>Segmentation fault
13:16<Requia>ping crashed?
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13:20<b3lsatar>can i do something with this ?
13:22<kelora>Hi, is anyone running debian on the Asus Eee T91 well?
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13:23<And1>Folks, what happened to flashplugin-nonfree on sid 64-bit?
13:23<bartm>And1: Adobe has stopped support of the 64 bit player
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13:24<bartm>And1: we're going back to using the 32 bit player with nspluginwrapper (soon)
13:24<And1>What to do until that happens?
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13:25<bartm>And1: use a browser and flashplugin-nonfree in a 32 bit chroot, works like a charm
13:25<And1>Hmm ok. Thanks. :)
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13:29<kelora>I would really appreciate confirmation that the T91 can run stably under linux. I am having a lot of trouble getting Asus to service my T91 because they claim it's not designed for linux, etc etc. Nevermind that the _hardware_ problems I describe to them repeatedly happen randomly, after weeks of stability sometimes. They aren't testing it well enough or long enough to find anything - not even a week the third time in.
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13:30<kelora>The onboard keyboard and touchpad randomly stop responding. At these times I can still plug in usb devices and work or ssh in and work but the hardware won't come back often even after soft rebooting.
13:30<kelora>Sometimes the touchscreen and display stop as well.
13:31<bja>kelora: maybe this can help /msg dpkg eeepc
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13:32<dpkg>All there is worth knowing about Linux and laptops can be found at and . For Thinkpads, ask me about <thinkpad>. Also ask me about <acpi>, <laptop mode>, <netbook>, <pcmcia>, <suspend>. . See also the debian-laptop mailing list:
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13:36<kelora>bja: thanks, I'll give it a try though I may have before - keeping better logs helps
13:37<bja>kelora: good luck
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13:41<b3lsatar>root@debian:~# Segmentation fault can someone help me fix this problem ?
13:41<abrotman>b3lsatar: doing what?
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13:44<bartm>abrotman: doing ping, see a few lines above
13:44<abrotman>i thought maybe something else also
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13:45<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat
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13:48<acu>I want to install flashplugin-nonfree and I get this wget failed to download - --- How can I bypass this ?
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13:50<abrotman>acu: there is no more flash for AMD64 .. you were already told
13:53<acu>abrotman: I want to use the one which worked - however it worked few days ago = that is all
13:53<bartm>acu: the file fp10.sha512.amd64.pgp.asc has been renamed because the most recently distributed 64 bit player has security bugs
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13:57<acu>bartm: I understood that, I have a workstation which It needs ability to see flash even if there are any security risks - I need to make it work - and this is what I am trying to do - it seem that I have to go and look on a computer which things were not updated and use that, here functionality is above security
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13:58<bartm>acu: I understand
14:00<bartm>acu: you could work around it by editing update-flashplugin-nonfree to retrieve fp10.sha512.amd64.pgp.asc.INSECURE instead
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14:00<kelora>dpkg: Thanks, I can't find anything on the debian wiki about the T91, though I got a lot of help re the 901 there a couple years back. Have you any specific URLs? I am still re-searching the other sites you mentioned. lists.debian has nothing searching on t91 alone.
14:00<dpkg>pas de quoi, kelora
14:00<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on
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14:00<acu>bartm: thank you, that is what I needed - let me see if I am smart enough to do that :)
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14:02<bja>What is the maximum number of machines apt-cacher can feed?
14:03<bja>Is apt-cacher-ng a better option?
14:03<fnmueller>bja: it's like a cache, soooooo, unlimited?
14:03<bja>fnmueller: thx, then it is machine dependant, about the second question ?
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14:04<fnmueller>bja: I have no clue
14:04<bartm>acu: does it work for you ?
14:04<bja>fnmueller: thx anyway
14:04<fnmueller>np :-)
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14:06<gpm>i'm using nspluginwrapper to get flash on amd64 and everything works fine except for sound. i have pulseaudio which works for everything else. any ideas on what i should do to get sound working in nspluginwrapper/flash?
14:06<acu>bartm: I am almost there :)
14:06<kelora>dpkg: I checked the others with no success too, I've been all over wikipedia and google looking for anything about this problem since I got the damn thing in October. I only ran debian on it for a short time anyway because of the poulsbo driver requirement which was only available in ubuntu. I am hoping to get around that now and go back to debian for good.
14:06<dpkg>kelora: You are person #1 to send an unparseable request
14:07<abrotman>kelora: dpkg is a bot
14:07<dpkg>All there is worth knowing about Linux and laptops can be found at and . For Thinkpads, ask me about <thinkpad>. Also ask me about <acpi>, <laptop mode>, <netbook>, <pcmcia>, <suspend>. . See also the debian-laptop mailing list:
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14:07<kelora>abrotman: thanks, as you can see I'm new... lol
14:07<abrotman>the Asus T91 ?
14:07<craigevil>gpm: take a look at
14:07<kelora>abrotman: you bet
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14:08<abrotman>kelora: did you try to instlal debian and it fails? or you're just trying to see if it will work ?
14:09<gpm>craigevil: that page is about using the native plugin, which is no longer a safe option on amd64, it mentions running a 32-bit plugin on amd64 only in passing
14:10<bartm>gpm: that page does mention something about pulse
14:10<gpm>yes my asoundrc is up to snuff
14:10<kelora>abrotman: it actually ran well under debian but I couldn't get the correct resolution
14:10<gpm>i forgot to mention that
14:10<abrotman>kelora: so it doesn't have debian anymore?
14:11<kelora>abrotman: now it has winders because it just came back from Asus for the third time and they just love winders. lol
14:12<kelora>abrotman: did you see what I had said about the problems with it before?
14:13<abrotman>the X driver?
14:13<kelora>the video driver
14:13<kelora>works well under ubuntu but that's just not debian
14:14<abrotman>we would need more details such as the video device and the driver you're using
14:14<kelora>and all the hardware lockup problems remain regardless of distro - I imagine winders would be the same
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14:15<acu>bartm: THANK YOU it works - gosh - it took me all this morning to fix this and I have no time for this - thank you again :)
14:16<bartm>acu: keep in mind that you're using an insecure flash player
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14:17<acu>bartm: I got it - this is a workstation which needed this feature - thank you
14:17<kelora>As far as getting video up under debian has anyone got the poulsbo driver for the GMA500 chipset going well? last I read it was still easy under ubuntu but no where else
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14:19<gpm>well i had the asoundrc stuff in /etc/asound.conf (system-wide) but i added it to ~/.asoundrc too and rebooted, still no sound in flash. any other tips?
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14:19<kelora>Does anyone here have a T91? or know someone running linux on one without random hardware input lockups?
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14:20<mase>gpm there was an environment variable that let flash output many debug information...
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14:20<user01>is there way to record an audio stream from a web flash player?
14:20<kelora>craigevil: thanks, I'll go there right now.
14:21<locklace>gsimmons: rtl8192e problems on squeeze. firmware loads but the interface is just dead, even scanning returns nothing. is r8192_pci just borked?
14:21<abrotman>user01: vlc or mplayer has that ability, can't remember which
14:21<user01>abrotman, hmm ok let me check
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14:24<gpm>mase: i couldn't find the variable you're talking about BUT running iw from a termial and trying to play some flash with sound yielded an interesting error
14:24<gpm>ALSA lib ../../../src/pcm/pcm.c:2171:(snd_pcm_open_conf) Cannot open shared library /usr/lib32/alsa-lib/
14:25<gpm>i have lib32asound2-plugins installed
14:25<gpm>so... i dunno what to do
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14:31<user01>abrotman, looks like vlc, but someone also posted a unique solution, output speakers to mic on soundcard, /dev/dsp > filename.mp3 :)
14:31<kelora>craigevil: Thanks, that looks perfect! Do you know if that will work with a newer kernel? Not that I won't run it anyway...
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14:34<DebNewb>How come when I do mdadm --create /dev/md0 --level=1 --raid-devices=2 /dev/sdb1 /dev/sdc1 it says both /dev/sdb1 and /dev/sdc1 are busy?
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14:35<Requia>is there some kind of 3d benchmark tool for linux? want to make sure I have the new card working right
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14:37<mase>Requia glxgears in the mesa-utils package, but its very minimalistic
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14:38<mase>Requia and glxinfo shows if direct rendering is working at all
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14:40<mase>DebNewb and both partitions are not mounted?
14:42<abrotman>glxgears is not a benchmark
14:42<mase>not realy, but it shows fps
14:42<Requia>mesa-utils appears to be missing in squeeze
14:42<Requia>games work though
14:43<mase>its in "testing"
14:43<abrotman>squeeze is testing
14:43<mase>yes, and i have it here
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14:47<gpm>mase: if you're curious, the problem was bug #543448. haven't dealt with 32-bit stuff in quite a while, yuck.
14:49<stinerman>I'm having trouble printing to an HP F4140 attached to a WinXP box. I can copy files via CIFS, but not print. I'm running Sid. The CUPS error log shows "Backend returned status 22 (unknown)". Any ideas?
14:50<mase>gpm what release are you using again?
14:50<gpm>mase: sid.
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14:53<user01>which device is the regular audio out in sound recorder? mic is the only thing that seems to work in mine
14:54<user01>meaning that when i select ¨capture¨ it sounds like the audio captured is from my mic
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14:55<gpm>user01: i think you can set it with gstreamer-properties
14:55<Guest519>how to join new chsnnel
14:55<user01>gpm, ok thanks!
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15:00<user01>gpm, weird that with Alsa there is the option default which works, but it doesnt say what default means
15:00<user01>gpm, cant be the other two options because those dont work
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15:02<gpm>oh, my default IS one of the other options
15:03<gpm>also i use pulseaudio, not alsa directly
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15:18<gsimmons>locklace: I'm not aware of any outstanding rtl8192e issues. If you can't do anything with the interface (and the device isn't subjected to a kill switch), best to file a bug against linux-2.6.
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15:20<OddTod>Hey guys i'm trying to have debian auto mount an NTFS on boot this is the entry i have for it in fstab. The mount location exists but doesn't mount . /dev/sda7 /windows ntfs3-g rw,user,auto 0 0
15:20<locklace>gsimmons: also tried the 2.6.34 kernel from experimental, but with that one the firmware load bombs
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15:23<mase>OddTod doesnt it mean "ntfs3-ng"?
15:24<locklace>realtek support seems to suck overall. they don't even appear to actually make the firmware or updates for it available online
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15:28<sparky|4|netty4>escuse me
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15:28<sparky|4|netty4>I need help setting up email server
15:29<sparky|4|netty4>I followed the steps here
15:29<sparky|4|netty4>I am lost ><;
15:29<sparky|4|netty4>and i did open port 110 and 25
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15:39<gpm>:( guess i scared him off
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15:41<Ced>Hey all, ehm, little problem and i was wondering if anyone was able to assist me..
15:41<Ced>The problem is quite simple, all my NICs in my debian box stopped working
15:42<Ced>why not D:
15:42<abrotman>Ced: stopped working? did you look through 'dmesg' for information ?
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15:42<Ced>will do so now..
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15:43<mase>Ced and do they still exist in "ifconfig -a"?
15:43<Ced>nope, not at all
15:43<Ced>they DO show up in lspci
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15:44<Ced>first my gbit nic stopped working, eth1 disappeared, then after a reboot my eth0 disappeared as well
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15:44<mase>sounds like firmware issue, what kind of cards are thay (brand, type...)?
15:44<dpkg>udev has the ability to statically rename Ethernet cards based on MAC address since version 0.090. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules (Lenny, Squeeze) or /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules (Etch). If you want the mappings to change, edit the respective file. To apply changes: "udevadm trigger" ("udevtrigger" on Etch) or reload the relevant driver module. See also <forcedeth mac>, <udev>.
15:45<mase>qq but they should still apear in "ifconfig -a", right?
15:45<Ced>even ifup ethX doesn't work
15:45<Ced>nor ethtool eth_
15:45<Ced>they just disappeared, i only see lo
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15:46<mase>Ced importand is the "-a" in ifconfig "-a", so you see if the interfaces were just renamed or really don't exist
15:46<Ced>well actually, now "ifup eth0" gives "Ifnoring unknown interface eth0=eth0
15:47<qq->Ced, check what !70 said
15:47<gsimmons>locklace: Realtek's RTL8192E driver packages used to be available. You can obtain the redistributable ones from . The packaged RTL8192E firmware was taken from rtl8192se_linux_2.6.0014.0115.2010.tar.gz
15:47<Ced>i'll try the thing with udev, but, they're just not there, not renamed
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15:48<abrotman>Ced: did you look through dmesg yet?
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15:48<Ced>dmesg didn't show anything special..
15:48<Ced>just that i hooked up my usb keyboard and such
15:48<abrotman>Ced: did it mention any network devices ?
15:49<mase>Ced can you grep syslog about "firmware"
15:49<Ced>also, the devices still exist in /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules
15:49<abrotman>Ced: dmesg | grep -i eth .. nothing at all ?
15:50<Ced>[ .. ] mETHods [..] something
15:50<Ced>that's all it greps
15:50<bja>sparky|4|netty4: postconf -n and dovecot -n on a pastebin
15:50<Ced>where is the syslog located again?
15:51<abrotman>Ced: sounds like faulty hardware
15:51<Ced>that BOTH network cards stopped working?
15:51<mase>Ced /var/log/syslog
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15:51<Ced>grep for 'firmware' in syslog didn't return anything
15:52<troulouliou>hi is anybody aware of a stable nulog2 v.2.1 backport for debian lenny/squeeze ?
15:52<mase>Ced i was wrong, should be in /var/log/dmesg
15:52<Ced>same result though
15:52<gpm>or /var/log/messages?
15:52<abrotman>Ced: are they actually two different NICs, or just two jacks?
15:53<Ced>2 nics
15:53<Ced>one onboard, and one PCI
15:53<abrotman>even if he needed firmware, it would show them in dmesg
15:53<locklace>gsimmons: found that earlier, but afaict it doesn't have a driver for the plain 8192e, just the se, and the firmware in tar you mentioned also appears to be specific to the SE model
15:53<abrotman>Ced: lspci -nn | grep -i network .. how many do you see?
15:53<mase>yep, strange that there is nothing shown about firmware at all...
15:53<Ced>the network cards are an intel and a realtek gbit thing
15:53<Ced>they both show up in lspci
15:54<abrotman>what are the xxxx:1234 at the end of the lines?
15:54<abrotman>Ced: what is 'uname -r' ?
15:54<mase>Ced can you try to unload and reload the kernel modules and see what thay are showing up?
15:54<gsimmons>locklace: Yes, you're quite right; it was actually taken from rtl8192e_linux_2.6.0014.0401.2010.tar.gz, which I had to request from Realtek. Did you want this made available?
15:54<Ced>uname -r: 2.6.26-2-686
15:54<bja>abrotman: Taking a look at the little leds on tht ethernet jacks wouldn't be just about right at this moment?
15:55<Ced>how do i unload a kernel module?
15:55<abrotman>bja: he's saying they don't even load the drivers
15:55<dpkg>hmm... rmmod is a command that should not be used, use 'modprobe -r' (or <modconf>) instead
15:55<gpm>why's that?
15:55<bja>abrotman: without drivers, the cards should have flashing leds unless they are absoluteley dead
15:55<Ced>also, the nic cards light up for both nics if i plug in the cable.
15:56<Ced>and they blink on broadcast traffic
15:57<Ced>also @earlier question about the xxx:xxxx, realtek blablable [10ec:8136] and intel blabla [8086:103c]
15:58<abrotman>judd: pciid 10ec:8136
15:58<judd>[10ec:8136] is 'RTL8101E/RTL8102E PCI Express Fast Ethernet controller' from 'Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.' with kernel module 'r8169' in lenny. See also
15:58*bja took two hours to figure out a someone tripped over the switch ac power
15:58<abrotman>judd: pciid 8086:103c
15:58<judd>[8086:103c] is '35c Compaq 6710b or nx9420 Notebook' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'e100', 'eepro100' in lenny. See also
15:58<abrotman>don't think either of those should need firmware
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15:58<gpm>is it the udev junk?
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15:59<locklace>gsimmons: well, don't see how it will help if both the firmware and the driver in that package are the same as the ones in squeeze's firmware-linux and linux-image-2.6.32-5. if i could find newer versions of either i'd give them a try
15:59<Ced>they both show up in udev 70 persistent thing, but the "DRVERS==" says "?*" for both
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16:00<sparky|4|netty4>ohh shi-
16:01<mase>Ced what happens if you modprobe the modules manually?
16:02<Ced>i'll try
16:02<Ced>nothing happened
16:02<Ced>i'll try the intel driver
16:02<Ced>nothing again
16:03<mase>Ced "ifconfig -a" still just has "lo"?
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16:03<Ced>well, wait
16:03<Ced>it does show eth0, but it does nothing if i do 'ifup eth0'
16:03<Ced>like i said before
16:03<Ced>and no IP
16:04<mase>Ced shure, its just about the devices exists...
16:04<Ced>yea, but what if they mappings are screwed up or something
16:04<mase>Ced so what is "ifconfig -a" showing?
16:04<Ced>eth0, lo
16:05<Ced>but eth0 is not working at all
16:05<mase>Ced so now you can try "ifdown th0" and "ifup eth0"
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16:05<mase>sorry, "eth0" instead of "th0"
16:05<Ced>ifdown eth0: "interface eth0 not configured"
16:05<sparky|4|netty4>bja: ummm
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16:06<Ced>and "ignoring unknown interface eth0=eth0" for ifup eth0
16:06<user5500>can anyone illuminate the best way to get modern debian installed on a sharp zaurus sl-5500?
16:06<bja>sparky|4|netty4: internet exposed server or smarthost?
16:07<sparky|4|netty4>bja: internet exposed server
16:07*bja looks for notes
16:08<Ced>so... does anyone have some last blinding insights about how to get this working again?
16:08<Ced>or should i just reinstall it, which would be weird for a linux box that has worked well for just over a year now
16:09<bja>sparky|4|netty4: paste a relevant portion of your /var/log/mail.log
16:09<mase>Ced, sorry, i dont get it; you have a "eth0" now, but ifup says it does not exist?
16:09<Ced>yea, i don't get it either
16:09<sparky|4|netty4>bja: empty
16:09<bja>sparky|4|netty4: also paste iptables-save output
16:09<Ced>that's why i entered this place in the first place xD
16:10<sparky|4|netty4>I do not know if the mail server works
16:10<mase>Ced at the first play i thought eth0 doesn't even exist...
16:10<sparky|4|netty4>iptables-save v1.4.2: Unable to open /proc/net/ip_tables_names: No such file or directory
16:10<bja>sparky|4|netty4: pidof master
16:10<Ced>they HAVE to exist, both eth0 and eth1 been there AND worked before
16:10<Ced>It doesn't make sense to me Oo
16:11<Ced>All i did was a reboot after fiddling with the network cables here
16:11<bja>sparky|4|netty4: ok, iptables -L -n -v although the output is empty, verify please
16:11<bja>sparky|4|netty4: netstat -pantu |grep 25
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16:11<sparky|4|netty4>bja: Chain INPUT (policy ACCEPT 0 packets, 0 bytes)
16:11<sparky|4|netty4> pkts bytes target prot opt in out source destination
16:11<sparky|4|netty4>Chain FORWARD (policy ACCEPT 0 packets, 0 bytes)
16:11<sparky|4|netty4> pkts bytes target prot opt in out source destination
16:11<sparky|4|netty4>Chain OUTPUT (policy ACCEPT 0 packets, 0 bytes)
16:11<sparky|4|netty4> pkts bytes target prot opt in out source destination
16:12<mase>Ced can you "ifconfig et0 ..." manually with static adresses or try to call "dhclient eth0"
16:12<sparky|4|netty4>bja: tcp 0 0* LISTEN 12591/master
16:12<bja>sparky|4|netty4: on a paste bin next time please. and you could have said empty :-)
16:12<EmleyMoor>I've installed iceweasel 3.5.8 from backports - is there any good way to get mp3 and ra/rm files to play from it? (amd64)
16:12<sparky|4|netty4>can ew test it
16:12<Ced>hey, it works for eth0!
16:12<sparky|4|netty4>thw squirell mail thing works
16:12<Ced>it has an IP now..
16:12<Ced>now to get the gbit nic working again
16:13<sparky|4|netty4>bja: squirrel mail thing works
16:13<Ced>dhclient eth1 returns "error while getting interface flags: No such device"
16:13<mase>Ced nevertheless ifup should not tell you that that device does not exist... :P
16:13<Ced>yea, it's weird
16:13<bja>sparky|4|netty4: ok, i'm thinking
16:13<Ced>I did an fsck and memtest, so the hardware is fine as far as i know
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16:14<mase>Ced unless "ifconfig -a" is not showing any second device it "really" does not exist. meaning you have problems with the kernel module or firmware
16:14<bja>sparky|4|netty4: on your server type telnet localhost 25
16:14<Ced>ifconfig -a only returns eth0 and lo
16:15<Ced>so how do i get the kernel drivers to work again?
16:15<bja>sparky|4|netty4: just tell me if you can connect
16:15<Ced>It worked earlier today..
16:15<sparky|4|netty4>bja: yesh
16:15<mase>Ced so you are missing the realtek-device? did dmesg show anything after reloading the kernel module?
16:15<bja>sparky|4|netty4: ok
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16:16<Ced>dmesg | grep realtek doesn't return anything
16:16<mase>Ced try rtl
16:16<mase>Ced (grep for rtl)
16:16<Ced>dmesg | grep eth returns "eth0: RTL8101e [ .. ]"
16:16<Ced>which is my realtek card
16:17<mase>Ced oh, so youre missing the intel card?
16:17<Ced>and i have internet while it's plugged into my intel card atm
16:17<bja>sparky|4|netty4: add permit to the las part of smtpd_recipient_restrictions
16:18<sparky|4|netty4>bja: in what config file?
16:18<Ced>in fact, in the udev file, the r8169 shows up as eth0
16:18<Ced>and the intel as eth1
16:18<Ced>The lack of sense in this disturbs me.
16:19<mase>Ced udev might be ignored if you load the modules manually
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16:20<bja>postfix reload
16:20<Ced>i'll do another reboot just to see what happens
16:20<bja>verify that you can send mail
16:21<Ced>i'm gonna try disable the intel nic in the bios, see what that does
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16:23<Ced>dudes, i just got an IP while its starting up, it worked.
16:23<bja>!congratulate Ced
16:23<dpkg>Huzzah Ced, you did it!
16:23<Ced>gee, why do i always feel stupid after consulting an IRC channel succesfully..
16:23<Ced>Lol dpkg
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16:24<Ced>thanks all, 'sbeen a wonderful educative time once again
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16:24<Ced>hopefully i don't have to see you all again, cause that'd be bad news :P
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16:26<bja>!coffee qq-
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16:26<Vertix>hey guys, can anyone help me to understand, which is the latest version that I should download from
16:26<gsimmons>locklace: The included firmware is static in rtl8192e driver package versions 0011.1029.2009 through 0014.0401.2010. I'm not aware of anything available later than 0014.0401.2010.
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16:27<qq->!tell Vertix about netinst
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16:28<mase>Vertix ? you already are at version 5.0.4 as seen in the path
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16:29<Vertix>but what are the differences between 1, 2, 3 .. , and Update?
16:30<mase>Vertix do you mean what what image within this path you need?
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16:30<locklace>gsimmons: is the current squeeze kernel using the 0014.0401.2010 driver version?
16:30<Vertix>something like that
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16:31<mase>Vertix that are dvd's that belong together. You might be interested in just the first one if you can switch to net-repositories later
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16:32<Vertix>I though that the "update" one was the fullest package so i thought I dl that...
16:32<qq->Vertix, debian has more 20.000 packages , needs > 4 DVD to that , ~ 30 cdrom . etc
16:32<Vertix>i get it now
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16:32<Vertix>well thanks
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16:33<mase>Vertix just download the first and make the "rest" with net repositories
16:34<dpkg>Another happy customer leaves the building.
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16:34<mase>one out, one in
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16:41<acu>Hey guys I am back - I just found out that the only player which can play properly flash (including youtube, google video and 90% of the websites) is disabled in Squeeze. I think it would be very useful to have a strategy for a transition to any possible alternative, and the transition to be gradual. I do not think that any Operating System which provides a desktop environment can be used unless it provides access to somethinng embeded in 90% of we
16:41<acu>bsites. I hope this will be discussed by debian developers and leaders for a functional solution
16:43<bja>acu: I haven't used flash in the life of this computer. I am still alive :)
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16:44<acu>bja: if you would have never seen computers or technology you would be still alive - there is 3.8 billion years of life without computers, here I am talking about people who uses a workstation to learn and contribute at a larger present environment
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16:45<acu>and that unfortunately got flash almost ubiquitous
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16:47<bja>acu: The point is, that although you and lots of other people are frustrated by the decision of one company there are other solutions to do that. And more will emerge through out time
16:47<valdyn>acu: this is the wrong place to discuss this
16:47*bja goes to #debian-offtopic
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16:51<acu>valdyn: can I rephrase your saying: there are more efficient avenues to discuss this :) ---- however I hop that some debian developers and decision makers would think and design a proper strategy to deal with flash :)
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16:51<abrotman>acu: it's non-free binary software .. use at your own risk
16:52<valdyn>acu: maybe, but they dont normally read this channel
16:52<valdyn>acu: or very few do
16:52<PeterNL>I'm moving files from an ubuntu 9.10 laptop to an debian testing desktop. It's a 100 mbit wired network and it used to be fast. Now I get like 200KB/s...
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16:55<bja>PeterNL: probably the network connection is not the problem but the hdd
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16:55<PeterNL>ext4? both drives (used) to be faster than my network speed
16:56<bja>vmstat 5 5
16:56<bja>should give you a clue on what is wrong
16:56<PeterNL>bja: I'll try
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16:57<PeterNL>Oh, and it's not the HD, since I'm copying to /tmp which is in RAM (right?)
16:57<bja>wrong /tmp is on the hd
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16:58<PeterNL>Anyways, I don't hear the HD, and I can whan it's working hard.
16:58<Walex>'/tmp' is where you set it up. Some people put it into 'tmpfs' which means RAM overflowing into swap
16:59<Walex>PeterNL: you can use 'iostat 1 1' to check whether the disk is being hit.
16:59<PeterNL>Whereever it is by default
17:00<PeterNL>I don't hear the HD, and I always do when it's used. The HD led is off.
17:00<mase>PeterNL how are you coping the files, via mc, cp or gnome or what?
17:00<Walex>PeterNL: you can do 'df -T /tmp/.' to check
17:00<PeterNL>gnome and ssh. But other things are slow as well. Ping times are ok
17:00<PeterNL>Oh, and it's going a bit faster now. 500KB/s
17:00<PeterNL>still damn slow
17:00<Walex>PeterNL: also note that the flusher by default lets quite a bit accumulate stuff in the page cache.
17:01<Walex>PeterNL: use 'nuttcp' to test raw network speed.
17:01<PeterNL> /tmp is af tmpfs (which appears to be the default)
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17:02<PeterNL>nuttcp on both machines?
17:02<Walex>PeterNL: use 'dd bs=1M count=1000 iflag=direct if=/dev/... of=/dev/null' (and variants) to check raw read speed
17:02<Walex>PeterNL: 'nuttcp -S' on one, and 'nuttcp -t ...' and 'nuttcp -r ...' on the other.
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17:02<mase>PeterNL whats the cpu telling? mc has a problem with ssh copies due to using fish, encryption via ssh and all that stuff...
17:03<mase>(mc as example)
17:03<PeterNL>it's at 1% or 2%
17:03<mase>on both machines?
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17:04<PeterNL>The ubuntu machine runs compiz and flash and more. But nothing above usual
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17:05<bja>compiz is nothing above usual, wow that must be one fast machine
17:06<PeterNL>Xorg uses 4%, but that's usual for me
17:06<PeterNL>The 1%-2% was on the debain machine, running metacity
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17:19<gsimmons>locklace: No, it is a version - not stated in the Linux 2.6.32-rc1 changelog - from around August 2009.
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17:24<locklace>gsimmons: yeah, that figures. i've just built the 0014.0401.2010 kernel module and it's already working better
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17:28<gtellalov>any idea why hal won't get the XKB settings from /etc/default/keyboard?
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17:28<PeterNL>Oh, I have the problems since one or two days. Not just now
17:28<gtellalov>lshal | grep xkb gives me nothingggggg
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18:18<mercutio22>Trying to play some videos in totem or VLC. I get Any ideas if I am missing some gstreamer package or something?
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18:23<craigevil>mercutio22: gstreamer0.10-plugins-really-bad
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18:24<mercutio22>craigevil: hmmm.. I already have that one... something else must be culprit
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18:25<@themill>(topicdiff: etch is now archived)
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18:26<craigevil>mercutio22: vlc uses ffmpeg , if you have the repo check that you have the version from it
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18:27<mercutio22>craigevil: 5:0.6 is that it?
18:28<pavi>I am trying to install a non free software Google Earth on AMD64 squeeze . It is making me install ia32 libs . Will it affect performance ?
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18:28<craigevil>,versions ffmpeg
18:28<judd>ffmpeg -- etch: 0.cvs20060823-8+etch1; etch-security: 0.cvs20060823-8+etch1; lenny: 0.svn20080206-18; lenny-security: 0.svn20080206-18+lenny1; etch-multimedia: 3:20070329-0.0etch1; lenny-multimedia: 3:20080706-0.3lenny1; sid: 4:0.5.2-1; squeeze: 4:0.5.2-1; experimental: 4:0.6-1; sid-multimedia: 5:0.6~svn20100603-0.0; squeeze-multimedia: 5:0.6~svn20100603-0.0
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18:30<mercutio22>I guess thats right then
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18:31<gpm>pavi: no it doesn't affect performance. 32-bit stuff runs without penalty, x86-64 is a superset of x86.
18:34<pavi>gpm, I am running a tiles@home script ( openstreet map) which needs lot of memory . I hope 32 bit libs wont get pre loaded into memory
18:36<gpm>pavi: well only google knows how google earth is implemented
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18:38<pavi>gpm, yes . I hate using non free proprietary software . but google earth includes lot of satellite imagery in 3D . the nearest which comes to it in free software is marble
18:38<gpm>all i'm saying is there's no way to know.
18:38<gpm>try running it and see what happens
18:39<gpm>you can always uninstall
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18:40<pavi>gpm, I was following
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18:44<gpm>pavi: i'm going to try using googleearth-package, one sec
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18:49<gpm>pavi: i have no problems
18:49<Lantizia>Hey I know I can add/remove services from starting using update-rc.d but how can I list what services are currently enabled?
18:50<gpm>pavi: aptitude install googleearth-package, then download the googleearth installer, then from the download dir run make-googleearth-package --force
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18:55<pavi>gpm, which repo has googleearth-package ?
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18:56<gpm>it's in the main debian archive
18:56<gpm>in the contrib section
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18:57<qq->, versions googleearth-package
18:57<judd>googleearth-package -- etch/contrib: 0.0.4; lenny/contrib: 0.5.4; sid/contrib: 0.5.7; squeeze/contrib: 0.5.7
18:57<pavi>should I add something in sources.list to get a package in contrib ?
18:57<qq->add contrib
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19:04<pavi>I added contrib in sources.list and did apt-get update but still am unable to find googleearth-package
19:05<gpm>pastebin your sources.list
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19:08<pavi>oops I added it only for sources huh
19:09<pavi>corrected and updating
19:09<gpm>may as well add it for security updates too
19:09<pavi>gpm, found the package and installing
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19:15<pavi>gpm, that google earth package has hell lot of dependencies like entire build-essential :(
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19:24<mom>is rmmod -a a good thing to run to speed up a system, or would it be bad?
19:25<pavi>mom, if you know which kernel modules is needed or not
19:25<mom>rmmod -a says removed all unused modules, but wasnt sure if that was all unused modules or never used modules
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19:35<gpm>pavi: it's no big deal. disk space is cheap
19:35<gpm>pavi: were you able to run make-googleearth-package --force?
19:35<pavi>gpm it created a package but now I am getting a dependency
19:36<gpm>pavi: ok, so you install the dependancy
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19:38<pavi>gpm lib32nss-mdns but its not installing
19:39<gpm>did you try running apt-get -f install?
19:41<pavi>what is this avahi ?
19:41<pavi>lol why did I indtall it ?
19:42<dpkg>Avahi is a <ZeroConf> implementation, a system which facilitates service discovery on a local network. This means that you can plug your laptop or computer into a network and instantly be able to view other people who you can chat with, find printers to print to or find files being shared. #avahi on
19:42<gpm>it's not antivirus
19:42<qq->my bad
19:42<qq->aptitude show avahi-daemon
19:43<pavi>gpm, installed google earth but not running
19:43<pavi>it needs some
19:43<pavi>damned non free software .. google I HATE you
19:43<gpm>you ran dpkg -i <generated package>?
19:44<pavi>gpm, yes
19:44<gpm>and now you try to run googleearth and what happens? pastebin again if necessary
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19:48<pavi>gpm, cant paste bin it . it says /usr/lib/googleearth/googleearth-bin: error while loading shared libraries cannot open shared object file No such file or directory
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19:49<gpm>aptitude install lib32gcc1
19:49<gpm>try again, probably will need more 32-bit libs
19:50<gpm>the problem is that it's only 32-bit and getting 32-bit stuff to work in amd64 isn't quite hassle-free yet (i think that's a generous assessment given how many keyboards i've smashed)
19:50<pavi>huh I wish some one says 'google rocks '
19:51<gpm>google rocks
19:51<pavi>gpm, if the package was bundled as deb as done for chrome it wouldnt be an issue
19:52<pavi>gpm, it worked but it needs one more candy err dependency
19:52<gpm>yes they do make a 64-bit deb for chrome, which, if done for earth, would make things easier
19:53<gpm>aptitude install lib32stdc++6
19:53<gpm>try again
19:53<gpm>this could take a while, but i'm down to help
19:53<pavi>gpm, its already installed
19:54<pavi>nopes my error I forgot the 32 part
19:54<gpm>no more errors!
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19:55<pavi>I am using eterm which supports paste but can't copy from it . I was using console command pastebinit
19:55<gpm>btw i am figuring out which packages you need to install by using
19:55<gpm>which you should check out if you don't know about it
19:55<pavi>yes one more dependency I am checking with apt-cache search
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19:58<pavi>gpm, Hurray finally the globe from google :)
19:58<pavi>thanks a lot
19:58<gpm>yeah np.
19:59<gpm>eventually 64-bit will be the standard and this won't be an issue anymore
19:59<gpm>in the future though
19:59<gpm>check out apt-file
19:59<pavi>ok .
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20:00<gpm>save you time, so you don't have to rely on someone nice like me walking you through it
20:01<pavi>yeah true
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20:03<mom>what file does dmesg pull from?
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20:06<Efreak>possibly /var/log/dmesg (or its equiv in debian; i use ubuntu)
20:08<mom>Efreak, dmesg functions differently on ubuntu? though all distros were more the less the same with dmesg
20:08<themill>mom: "man dmesg".
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20:11<themill>mom: and you already got your answer in #ubuntu.... please seek ubuntu support from #ubuntu not #debian.
20:11<mom>im running debian :P
20:11<gpm>that manpage tells you that it prints "the kernel ring buffer"
20:11<mom>but the last guy said it was different in ubuntu
20:12<mom><Efreak> possibly /var/log/dmesg (or its equiv in debian; i use ubuntu)
20:12<mom>which is why i asked there too
20:13<gpm>is the buffer written to a file that dmesg reads? or is it getting the messages by some other means?
20:14<mom>gpm, that was my question :P
20:14<themill>it reads from the kernel ring buffer...
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20:14<gpm>directly, not some file that tracks that buffer
20:16<mom>for some reason i thought at boot it wrote to /var/log/dmesg and then dmesg just printed that file
20:19<gpm>huh, it's an interesting question
20:19<mom>that seems like it must be it . . .
20:19<mom>because . . .
20:19<gpm>oh i know a way to test
20:19<mom>at boot it takes a while to generate those messages
20:19<gpm>add some garbage to the end of the log
20:20<mom>but it comes immediately
20:20<mom>when dmesg is entered
20:20<mom>hmmm ok ill try that . . .
20:21<gpm>well it doesn't spit from /var/log/dmesg
20:22<mom>but it seems weird that it takes longer for those messages to generate during boot than with dmesg alone
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20:23<mom>maybe because it is actually loading mods etx
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20:23<mom>you arent actually loading mods etc when you do dmesg
20:23<gpm>nor /var/log/messages
20:23<gpm>i guess it reads the buffer directly
20:24<gpm>is there some other way to access that buffer? is it represented on the filesystem somewhere?
20:24<mom>good to know for the lpi exam
20:24<mom>gpm, has to be, everything is a file in linux
20:25<gpm>i have no idea where it'd be though
20:25<mom>somewhere in proc probably
20:25<gpm>some day i'll learn the kernel
20:25<gpm>probably after i learn C
20:27<mom>got it!
20:27<mom>gpm, To inspect messages on the kernel ring buffer, you can use the dmesg utility (or work through /proc itself with the command cat /proc/kmsg). Listing 6 shows the output of the last few messages from dmesg.
20:28<gpm>wow it's cleared out
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20:29<gpm>the messages are sent there and then instantly go away
20:29<gpm>still doesn't answer how dmesg does its business
20:29<gpm>i guess i could try to decipher the source
20:30<gpm>but i should really go do something else
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20:35<mom>gpm, someone in ubuntu said it calls klogctl() and that fills in a buffer - there's no file
20:36<gpm>another question is what is writing the /var/log/messages and /var/log/dmesg files
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20:38<mom>gpm, probably probably syslogd he thinks
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21:21<scorphus>hello everyone
21:22<scorphus>I'm trying to correctly place the file securing-debian-howto.en.txt ( in my ereader in a way that it fits in the screen the most perfectly possible
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21:28<scorphus_>is it possible to generate a text file from the SGML without the linebreaks? thanks
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21:36<job_>can someone help with evolution?
21:37<abrotman>just ask
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21:37<Efreak>can anyone tell me how (using iptables) to forward port 1000 on to port 1 on
21:38<abrotman>try #netfilter on
21:38<job_>i am squeeze and all along evolution has been working. after an update everything is grayed out on the toolbar, cant connect
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21:40<abrotman>job_: is your network-manager configured (not sure if it uses tha tnow or not)
21:41<job_>i can go online on my box if that is what you mean unless you are referring to another network-manager
21:42<job_>i wondering if there is way to roll back evolution to earlier version.
21:44<scorphus_>sorry got to go, thanks
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23:09<Dreakon>Anyone else have this problem, whenever I try to print something Xorg's CPU usage goes up to 100% and the thing doesn't print...
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23:13<Dreakon>Any ideas?
23:13<Dreakon>Is it a bug or something on my end?
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