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01:11<eightyeight>meh. sisk left
01:11<eightyeight>there's a lot of reasons to install 64-bit if you have the hardware. even if you only have 2GB of ram
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01:25<gdb>eightyeight: Can you elaborate? I can't think of one.
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01:27<muuli>hat nix geklappt
01:27<muuli>leider
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01:31<eightyeight>gdb: sure
01:31<eightyeight>prorably the biggest reason that comes to mind, is deeper stacked system calls
01:32<eightyeight>IE: if you have an xfs filesystem, on lvm exported over nfs
01:32<eightyeight>a 32-bit kernel will oops, because it doesn't have a big enough stack
01:33<eightyeight>second thing, probably just as obvious, is the bus width
01:33<eightyeight>your "freeway" has 64 lanes instead of 32. when a traffic jam hits, you'll be glad you have the extra width to push the data through
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01:34<eightyeight>anything cpu-intensive can cause a "traffic jam"- cas, cad, video editing, ajax-intensive sites, etc
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01:36<eightyeight>you don't have kernel memory splits in 64-bit like you do in 32-bit. at least not yet. maybe when we have 17EB of ram, that will be an issue. :)
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01:36<eightyeight>of course, your virtual address space is substantially larger, meaning each individual pid can address more than 4GB of virt memory
01:36<eightyeight>more breathing room for mmap()'d files
01:36<eightyeight>certain applications ond operations will execute faster
01:37<eightyeight>long story short: the 32-bit vs 64-bit argument is multi-faceted
01:38<eightyeight>sure, it has it's drawbacks: some stuff will execute slower. binaries are usually larger in size
01:38<eightyeight>the general user likely won't notice the difference
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01:39<eightyeight>but, if you're aware of 64-bit ns 32-bit, then you likely will
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01:39<eightyeight>oh, lots of nonfree software struggles in 64-bit systems, as they're generally compiled for 32-bit systems, looking for 32-bit specific libraries
01:39<eightyeight>like flash, skype, adobe reader, etc
01:40<eightyeight>gdb: anyway, hope that helps
01:40<jmad980>flash 64bit is gone for now btw
01:40<eightyeight>yup
01:40<jmad980>still is better than nswrapper'd flash IMO
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01:42<eightyeight>if it weren't for microsoft windows, i think we would have been on 64-bit a long time ago. and because of windows, i think we'll still be on 32-bit for some time
01:42<jmad980>yeah
01:42<jmad980>but windows is pushing 64bit as well now
01:43<eightyeight>but, i have 64-bit hardware, and i don't run microsoft windows, so it's no big deal for me
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01:44<jmad980>same
01:50<eightyeight>don't look at this as bashing fedora, because that's not my intent
01:50<eightyeight>i just tried upgrading my fedora vm from f10 to f13 (yeah, probably not the best), and it wiped my volumes, to start fresh
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01:51<eightyeight>isn't anaconda interested in keeping my existing data in tact?
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01:51<eightyeight>freaking frustrating
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01:58<mjt>last firefox is able to run flash and other stuff in separate process
01:58<mjt>that should allow to solve 64bit flash issue
01:58<mjt>ie, just run it in a separate _32bit_ process ;)
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02:20<marcPV>Hi! Is there a way to install the most common restricted/non-free archives at once?
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02:22<locklace>what do you mean "most common"
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02:22<locklace>everyone installs different stuff
02:23<blarson>!tell marcPV about non-free sources
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02:24<marcPV>I mean like rar, flash, video codecs...
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02:25<marcPV>sorry, I am a bit new but they told me about that in ubuntu, dont know how it works on debian
02:26<locklace>marcPV: figure out what you want to install, then install it
02:26<locklace>marcPV: there is no "most common stuff" package
02:26<marcPV>ok, thanks
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02:31<gdb>marcPV: You may want to check out http://debian-multimedia.org
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02:32<marcPV>gdb: thanks, and what about rar files?
02:33<gdb>marcPV: I believe rar is in non-free.
02:34<gdb>marcPV: http://packages.debian.org/lenny/unrar
02:35<gdb>That's the non-free version. I think it supports RAR3 archives
02:35<gdb>unrar-free is in main and supports RAR2 and earlier
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02:36<marcPV>gdb: thanks, the rar3 is always the problem.... but I really need it!
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02:43<mjt>what's problematic in rar3?
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02:43<mjt>haven't seen any probs with it...
02:44<mjt>(but after xz come out i switched to it)
02:45<gdb>mjt: I think he's referring to the fact that RAR3 is "always the problem" because it's patent encumbered, hence the need to get it from non-free.
02:45<mjt>i used to get it from the author usually. After all it's just one executable :)
02:46<mjt>(well, basically anyway)
02:48<mjt>but ok. i didn't notice marcPV left
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03:06<karika200>hi
03:06<karika200>I have a Logitech webcam, and i want to use it outdoor, but the picture whites out
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03:07<karika200>If I select auto gain in v4l2ucp it would be good, if exposure wasn't set auto
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03:07<karika200>if I set exposure auto and I'm playing with the value of gain, the picture is ok
03:08<karika200>any idea?
03:08<karika200>It is using gscpa06xx driver
03:09<karika200>on windows with the logitech driver it gives great picture
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05:10<p>hey guys
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05:32<mjk>ARGL! Where the heck is that writing_udev_rules.html or what it was called? There was documentation on how to write udev rules, but it seems to have gone :-(
05:34<dbldtx>http://www.reactivated.net/writing_udev_rules.html ?
05:34<cthuluh>dpkg: tell mjk about udev rules
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05:35<mjk>It's not there, in /usr/share/doc! I'm using Debian testing AMD64 ... the web page still exists, though, thanks!
05:36<mjk>Let's see if the BTS has a report about that missing file already ...
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05:36<taleon>Hi.
05:37<mjk>hi
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05:39<gsimmons>mjk: It was removed by upstream (along with the FAQ), refer to udev's changelog.
05:39<mjk>gsimmons: ?! Wow ... okay, will check that, thanks!
05:40<mjk>"delete outdated and unmaintained writing_udev_rules" ... oh.
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05:57<dapeamel>hi guys I need help I running debian with kernel 2.6.26-2-686-bigmem and I need help to install my nvidia gtx 260 .
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06:45<lenn>Hello!
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06:49<elmnas>hey guys I need to install the program so I can open tar.gz which program is it?.
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06:50<polishOX>arch
06:50<polishOX>ark
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06:54<Elessar>elmnas: tar and gzip
06:54<Elessar>elmnas: Or, if you want something graphical, a tool like file-roller, for instance.
06:55<elmnas>ok thanks elessar :)
06:56<elmnas>I want a graphical tool
06:56<elmnas>ofc I can use tar tar zxfv example
06:56<elmnas>so gzip works?
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07:05<austinium>hi, what is the command line option to create a partition on a raw harddisk?
07:06<petemc>fdisk
07:06<petemc>you can pass parameters as arguments
07:06<austinium>i tried parted mke2fs -j /dev/hda
07:06<austinium>i remember reading somewhere that fdisk has issues when handling large partitions
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07:07<austinium>true?
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07:08<austinium>how about using parted?
07:08<austinium>it tried parted /dev/hda mklabel msdos
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07:09<petemc>generally, blithely guessing how commands work isnt a good idea
07:09<petemc>especially low level commands
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07:09<petemc>thats why people have taken to the time to document how the commands work
07:09<austinium>petemc: i did have a look at the Parted manual
07:10<petemc>thats the spirit
07:10<austinium>yeah i agree
07:10<petemc>reading followed by comprehension, thats the way to do it
07:10<austinium>thats how i got to know of mklabel
07:11<petemc>word
07:11<austinium>but on the manual msdos is a valid label-type
07:11<austinium>when try using it i get an error saying its an invalid token
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07:45<marcelo>hello
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07:46<Guest1141>alguem tem experiencia com Apache2
07:46<jpinx-ee1pc>!pt
07:46<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
07:47<Guest1141>what your speak
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07:48<dapeamel>hey guys I have installed debian just the standard system and I run xfce4 to that. but how can I make so when I start computer I log on direct to xfce?
07:49<twiggz>think gdm can log you directly into your xfce4 session...
07:49<andrewsh>Yes it is.
07:49<andrewsh>It can, I mean.
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07:50<dapeamel>how?. cause I lost all desktop settings last time.
07:50<twiggz>aptitude install gdm
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07:50<dapeamel>ok
07:50<andrewsh>dapeamel: There's a setting, log on automagically.
07:50<Guest1141>anyone have experience with Apache2
07:50<dapeamel>I install gdm.
07:51<Guest1141>my file does not install apache2.conf
07:51<klando>Hello, I print a pdf file with okular but the printed page does not contain the picture, only text. Usualy it works fine with other documents, I wonder if it came from cups or my printer driver. How can I debug it ? (the same doc is printed well at office)
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07:51<klando>(it is okular with ghostscript engine)
07:52<dapeamel>brb
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07:56<dapeamel>hey again thanks all it worked.!
07:56<twiggz>np
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08:02<dapeamel>can someone help me to install the driver for Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs SB Audigy LS I run kernel 2.6.26-2-686
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08:03<ajames>dapeamel upgrade your system to a more recent kernel
08:03<dapeamel>ajames like which kernel?
08:03<dapeamel>how?
08:05<ajames>the easiest way is to find out which is the most recent upgrade for your distro you can use the "upgrade -d" command
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08:08<ajames>dapeamel "upgrade -d" should be "update-manager -d"
08:09<dapeamel>didnt worked I have pretty late kernel.
08:09<dapeamel>I guess
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08:10<ajames>did you try update-manager -d ?
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08:11<ajames>on 686 my kernel is 2.6.32-23-generic that's on ubuntu which is uber close to debian
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08:18<jpinx-ee1pc>ajames: please keep ubuntu advice in #ubuntu
08:18<jpinx-ee1pc>!ubuntu
08:18<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
08:18<twiggz>sb audigy cards should work just fine in debian lenny, thats the kernel hes running
08:19<jpinx-ee1pc>dapeamel: ignore ajames
08:19<dapeamel>ok
08:19<ajames>sorry guys did'nt mean to slight anyone or the debian name
08:20<jpinx-ee1pc>dapeamel: if you need to upgrade you kernel use aptitude
08:20<jpinx-ee1pc>,kernels
08:20<judd>Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.34-1-686 (2.6.34-1~experimental.2); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-15); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-15); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-15~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-22lenny1); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2)
08:20<jpinx-ee1pc>dapeamel: pick one and install it - but read the notes carefully first
08:20<dapeamel>ok thx
08:20<ajames>yeah thx
08:21<dapeamel>is it new packages or not installed packages, virtual packages, tasks?
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08:23<jpinx-eeepc>dapeamel: what's the output of cat /etc/debian_version && uname -a
08:23<dapeamel>5.0.4
08:23<dapeamel>Linux Home 2.6.26-2-686 #1 SMP Wed May 12 21:56:10 UTC 2010 i686 GNU/Linux
08:24<jpinx-eeepc>dapeamel: you are up-to-date :) if you need a newer kernel use the backports 2.6.32-bpo.5-686
08:24<dapeamel>how does that work? which do u prefer btw I have a nvidia gtx 260
08:24<jpinx-eeepc>it worked well for me in lenny and got my odd hardware working
08:25<dapeamel>I ok please tell just how to install the kernel and Im glad :D
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08:26<jpinx-eeepc>dapeamel: add backports to your sources.list and do aptitude update and aptitude install -t lenny-backports linux-image-2.6.32-bpo.5-686
08:26<jpinx-eeepc>dapeamel: see backports.org for more detailed instructions and a list of all they have on offer
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08:29<dapeamel>thanks a lot jpinx-eeepc :D:D:D
08:29<dapeamel>check this out now.
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08:35<dapeamel>jpinx-eeepc ok done now how will I do for the nvidia gtx 260 will work ?
08:35<dapeamel>--> Home:/home/dapeamel# uname -r
08:36<dapeamel>2.6.32-bpo.5-686
08:36<ajames>what's the difference between debian and ubuntu which is better to run
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08:43<felixs>ajames: ubuntu mostly is a gnome-distribution based on debian. debian runs very well without gnome (fortunately)
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08:46<s7>hello to all, can someone show me how to install my hp scanject G2410 in ubuntu
08:46<dapeamel>when I try to install my nvidia m-a a-i nvidia I get installation of the nvidia-kernel source source failed. ignoring this package. maybe you need to add something to sources.list, maybe contrib and non-free archives.
08:46<ajames>I have been able to in the past run kde and kde apps on ubuntu do they(ubuntu) limit your rights or functionality in any way?
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08:48<felixs>ajames: isnt that calles k-ubuntu? but never mind, replace "gnome" with "bloated desktop" :)
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08:50<ajames>wha ? I really thought gnome was the best thing since sliced cheese nah I meant installing kde via the debian pkgs not kubuntu
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08:51<ajames>Gnome is what I'm using @ work now, seriously what's the benefits of kde or any other wm over gnome?
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08:52<felixs>anyway: the common use-case of ubuntu is have a bloaty colorful desktop, while debian is meant to provide a rather universal o/s
08:52<felixs>gnome is not a wm. gnome uses metacity afair
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08:54<ajames>felixs: huh? not a wm I thought gtk2 was the backbone of gnome I might be wrong...
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08:56<twiggz>Lots of people dont like bloatware desktop environments eating up disk space and ram.
08:56<felixs>gtk is the library providing buttons and dropdownboxes. it is possible that gnome uses them
08:56<twiggz>Myself included
08:56<twiggz>openbox and tint2 is just fine for me.
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08:58<ajames>what's the functionality of openbox and tint2 look like you see I work in a school and normally try to impress the kids with compiz
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08:58<twiggz>Id rather teach kids to be productive instead of teaching them to go "wow look at me flipping a cube because I have nothing better to do!"
08:59<felixs>ajames: impress kids using functionality. not using fancy light effects.
09:00<ajames>it should also be really easy for me to migrate to debian by changing to the debian repositories in sources file ok you got me (functionality==fancy light effects)
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09:00<ajames>do you use compiz at all?
09:00<twiggz>http://tiny.cc/yw4to
09:00<twiggz>my simple openbox setup.
09:01<twiggz>I have used gnome/kde/xfce4 and yes..compiz-fusion as well...it gets old after an hour....
09:01<felixs>ajames: compiz is this hardware eating wobbly-window tool? no its not available for ratpoison
09:02<twiggz>haha
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09:02<ajames>yeah I flip cubes with rdesktops to windows servers and that's impressive
09:03<twiggz>not especially..
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09:03<felixs>start xaos and press a. this is more impressive :D
09:04<ajames>ok so what is xaos?
09:04<ajames>never heard of it.
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09:04<felixs>xaos is a realtime fractal generator
09:05<felixs>no. renderer, not generator
09:05<felixs>use it to browse mandelbrot sets and things like that
09:06<ajames>please don't tell me it just spins around trying to make you giddy, oh that deep maths stuff core not for me I do the simple stuff...
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09:07<ajames>what does the a. do?
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09:07<felixs>i just claimed that xaos is more impressive than a rotating cube (:
09:08<otak>ajames:yep afaik kde apps can be installed straight into debian without changing your sources
09:08<felixs>a toggles the 'autopilot'
09:09<otak>i'm sure they'll drag loads of 'stuff' into your /usr/whatever
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09:11<otak>and burn up your machine
09:12<ajames>wha? burn up my machine how? that's not possib...
09:13<otak>compiz, like skype and 3d games can easily overheat a laptop. not so bad on a desktop though
09:13<otak>ajames: just something to keep an eye on ;-)
09:14<andrewsh>felixs: doesn't it use aalib?
09:15<felixs>andrewsh: xaos? i think aalib is a possible output driver, yes.
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09:17<ajames>ok I use gkrellm to monitor hopefully I would see the burn coming thanks...
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09:17<ajames>so the hardware is not ready for the rendering then...
09:17<pedroc>hi, avahi works, but zeroconf kio in konqueror not. what can i do?
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09:20<ajames>otak: what protects the desktop then?
09:20<otak>ajames: most laptops just dont have enough ventilation, only one fan, tiny heatsinks,,,
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09:22<twiggz>thats what chillpads are for.
09:22<ajames>I normally speak to my family in the caribbean using skype doesn't seem too bad what's the alternative then?
09:22<twiggz>I have a nice one, 4 big fans, 4 port usb hub....
09:22<otak>ajames:it's a trade-off. you want a smaller lighter machine with a long battery life
09:22*andrewsh . o O ( What!... can I do-oo-o?! What!... can I do-oo-o??! What-what-what-what.... )
09:22<felixs>ajames: sip is an open standard for telephony
09:23<ajames>like ...??? don't tell me a Mac book pro?
09:23<ajames>how would I use sip to contact my folks using skype on windows?
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09:24<felixs>ajames: skype is locked down from outside, no matter which platform it runs on
09:24<ajames>can I use sip to call skype?
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09:25<ajames>guy's I ve got to run for about 1/2hr for this CA stuff speak to you in a while.
09:25<otak>ajames: just get a temperature thing in your panel or look in /proc/acpi/temp_zone/summat. bye
09:25<twiggz>you could use amsn
09:26<twiggz>its got excellent webcam support and voice...
09:26<twiggz>and compatible with msn on windows.
09:26<felixs>ajames: there are commercial skype<->POTS gateways. but isnt that offtopic here?
09:26<twiggz>much less resource hoggy than skype also.
09:26*twiggz shrugs
09:26<twiggz>back to bed
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09:26<ajames>thanks I'll try that speak to you in a sec....
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10:06<revertTS>has anyone had issues updating to cryptsetup 1.1.2 in testing or sid? there's a critical bug filed against it, but no discussion outside of the initial report
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10:08<eightyeight>revertTS: i'm running 1.1.2. what's the filed bug?
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10:10<revertTS>a 'device-mapper: read ioctl failed' error; (http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=586120)
10:10<revertTS>which seems odd, wouldn't that be an LVM bug?
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10:12<jpinx-eeepc>twiggz: linphone ;)
10:13<eightyeight>revertTS: no. not at all. ioctl is just a system call. it can be device specific. IE: cdrom, lvm, ext2, etc
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10:41<icebrain>terr_: so, has it worked out?
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10:46<ajames>rename ajames Alvin
10:46<ajames>help rename
10:47<dr|z3d>ajames: type /nick Alvin
10:48<ajames>dr|z3d:thx
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10:51<bremner>Grub is dumping me into the mini shell after upgrading to squeeze. I had to take grub from sid to work around a bug in squeeze. What is the command sequence to set a kernel and boot?
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10:56<jordanm>bremner: root (hdx,x); (your /boot partition)
10:56<jordanm>bremner: setup (hdx)
10:57<jordanm>bremner: that should get you a grub menu, that you can edit, provided the needed files are in /boot
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10:58<bremner>Umm, setup is gone in grub2?
10:58<Alvin>going home now
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11:01<mikepb>hello
11:01<bremner>Ah initrd then Li
11:01<Alvin>going home now see you guys later...
11:01<icebrain>hi mikepb
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11:01<mikepb>i having a weird problem my ip keeps on getting on the hosts.deny list for ssh2 :s
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11:02<mikepb>of my own server lol
11:03<jordanm>bremner: ah, wasn't aware that they changed that part...
11:03<jordanm>mikepb: are you running denyhosts?
11:03<mikepb>yyes
11:03<mikepb>think so
11:03<mikepb>dunno what other prog it could be
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11:04<jordanm>mikepb: well... are you providing too many failed authentications?
11:04<bremner>jordanm: for the record, ls (hd0,1) \n linux (hd0,1)/$kernel \n initrd hd(0,1)/$initrd \n boot did the trick.
11:04<mikepb>it happends evry time i login once
11:04<mikepb>tru ssh
11:04<jordanm>bremner: yeah... that looks much better than grub "legacy"...
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11:05<bremner>now to try to figure why my grub install is botched...
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11:06<bremner>umm. grub-pc is not installed, cool.
11:06<mikepb>somewhere else on my network not good logins or what :s
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11:08<themill>bremner: were you already using grub2 in lenny, btw?
11:09<mikepb>in the logs i dont see any weird denyd logins tho
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11:12<mikepb>again xD
11:12<bremner>themill: no, it was some kind of botched upgrade from grub-legacy. /me->lunch.
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11:13<themill>bremner: ahh ok. Upgrading from grub legacy to grub2 in squeeze seems to work better than upgrading from lenny's grub2 to squeeze's grub2. Upgrading boot loaders is a pita. (enjoy)
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11:15<mikepb>yes
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11:26<mikepb>:s
11:26<mikepb>:(
11:28<mikepb>could i get on list for opening the file hosts.deny or auth.log?
11:28<mikepb>tru ssh
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11:35<giordy>!list
11:35<dpkg>giordy: VATTENE VIA
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11:39<mikepb>nah happens when i dont login or even login :s
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11:49<steven>Hey.
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11:50<steven>I need some help. I just installed Debian and I can't connect to my wireless network.
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11:51<steven>Can anybody help me?
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11:53<Ox90>steven, we shall require a little more information than that
11:53<Ox90>what are you running, what wireless card are you using?
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11:58<felixs>steven: best practice is to install wpasupplicant and ifupdown. find an appropriate howto using google
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11:59<steven>Alright. Thanks
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12:00<jordanm>felixs: ifupdown is terrible if you need different configurations for multiple locations
12:01<felixs>jordanm: ? have you read the manpage?
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12:01<felixs>ifup is PERFECT for different locations
12:01<godlie>hello someone an idea what to do with an keyboard with multimedia keys thats either shown something in xev nor acpi_listen?
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12:02<kop>steven: The output of "lspci -nn" is best.
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12:07<jordanm>felixs: if you are referring to "mappings" I would not call that perfect
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12:08<rdardini>hi to all
12:08<retrospectacus>morning
12:08<rdardini>I need help
12:10<retrospectacus>!ask
12:10<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
12:10<jordanm>!ask
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12:12<rdardini>I have a Core2 Quad CPU is the IA64 the right release for my CPU ?
12:12<Torsten_W>no
12:12<Torsten_W>amd64
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12:13<rdardini>4 dvd distro ?
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12:14<steven>I installed the latest version of Debian today, and now my wireless card won't turn on. It's an atheros.
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12:15<rdardini>many thx for the help Torsten
12:15<steven>Can anybody tell me how to turn it back on?
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12:16<felixs>jordanm: mappings are not necessary to have multiple locations. what im referring to are logical interfaces
12:17<steven>Ahaha I'm way out of my league here, however I'd really like some help with this wireless card issue.
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12:17<Do[k]Ho`>Hello
12:18<Do[k]Ho`>i've a problem when i use "qmake -r" on debian stable: i've this error msg: QMAKESPEC has not been set, so configuration cannot be deduced.
12:18<Do[k]Ho`>someone can help me please ?
12:19<felixs>steven: its as simple as that: wpasupplicant knows a list of wlans, and whenever one of them is available, it authenticates and runs ifup with the configured logical name.
12:20<retrospectacus>Do[k]Ho`: well the answer is to run QMAKESPEC="something" ; export QMAKESPEC ; qmake -r
12:20<steven>I'm going to sound like a big ol
12:20<steven>idiot here
12:20<felixs>steven: but what is your current problem?
12:20<retrospectacus>but no idea what that something shouold be... google it
12:20<steven>but how do I rin wpasupplicant?
12:21<steven>run*
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12:22<retrospectacus>steven: open a console (gnome-terminal, konsole, xterm) and type that in there
12:22<felixs>steven: you want to put "iface wlan0 inet manual\nwpa-driver wext\n wpa-roam /etc/wpasupplicant.conf" into /etc/network/interfaces
12:22<mikepb>!help
12:22<felixs>then ifup wlan0 starts wpasupplicant
12:22<felixs>ifdown wlan0 stops it.
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12:23<felixs>but youll have to create the wpa config file first
12:23<felixs>steven: i assume you already have a working wlan0 interface... (is that right?)
12:24<jordanm>felixs: it looks rather complicated compared to other implementations: http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-x86.xml?part=4&chap=4
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12:24<steven>Yes that is correct
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12:25<steven>I can connect to my network but only with an ethernet cable.
12:25<steven>I'm assuming this is because my wireless card is off.
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12:27<felixs>jordanm: what looks complicated compared to what? the link you posted doesnt exactly show minimal example
12:27<felixs>steven: is there a wlan0 interface? check with ifconfig -a
12:28<felixs>steven: i doubt that your wired connection runs over wlan0 ;)
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12:29<steven>felixs: I assumed. How do I do this iconfig thing?
12:29<steven>I'm terribly sorry for the trouble. I'm really new to linux.
12:30<jordanm>felixs: maybe its just opinion... just looks a lot more clear to me than say, map work,*,*,00:11:22:33:44:55 work-wireless
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12:31<jordanm>also, "essid" is apparently nowhere to be found in /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/*
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12:31<felixs>steven: usually you type commands into a terminal. when messing around with system configuration you most likely want to be root
12:31<felixs>steven: type whoami to see who you are, su to switch to rooot
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12:32<felixs>jordanm: ifupdown is not meant to do the wlan roaming. thats where wpasupplicant steps in
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12:32<steven>alright
12:32<steven>felixs: I've done that.
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12:33<felixs>jordanm: what system does the line "work,...*, wireless" correspond to?
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12:34<felixs>steven ifconfig -a lists all of your interfaces. these are called 'lo', 'ethX', 'wlanX' (most likely)
12:34<ClayG>I found a program for ubuntu that disables the touchpad on my netboojk, and on my dell mini 10 it works, but on this new netbook it seems to stop working where it will need to be reloaded, any other suggestions to disable the touchpad? and application is prefered but will take whatever is givin
12:35<steven>I've got 'eth0' and 'lo'
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12:35<felixs>ClayG: remove the driver?
12:35<jordanm>felixs: no clue, it was in the examples... but that was the point I was trying to make.
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12:37<felixs>jordanm: ic. anyway a stanza in wpa-supplicant.conf doesnt contain much more fuzz
12:37<jordanm>felixs: does it apply to non-WPA protected networks?
12:38<felixs>steven: you said you own an atheros chip? which one? lspci -nn
12:40<steven>felixs: I'm not exactly sure what you want to know here. There is a lot of information.
12:40<felixs>jordanm: yes it does. basically anything. i use ipsec (ipsec-tools) to protect my wlan
12:41<steven>felixs:02:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Atheros Communications Inc. Device [168c:002b] (rev 01)
12:41<steven>03:00.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8101E/RTL8102E PCI Express Fast Ethernet controller [10ec:8136] (rev 02)
12:41<ClayG>felixs, any idea how i go about doing that?
12:41<steven>felixs: is that it?
12:41<felixs>steven: this one is the non-wlan net
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12:43<ClayG>felixs, any idea how i go about doing that?
12:43<felixs>ClayG: if its a synaptic touchpad, you want to remove xserver-xorg-input-synaptic (assuming X)
12:43<ClayG>felixs, can i rename it so it can be changed back later easily?
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12:44<felixs>ClayG: but in newer X servers theres a so calles event-device driver, which unfortunately overtakes many of the devices, making things complicated :|
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12:44<felixs>ClayG: apt-get install <package> in some way undoes apt-get remove <package>
12:45<ClayG>felixs, ok so whats the command i need to run, lol?
12:45<felixs>ClayG: to use less automagism, just find a file called *synaptic*so and put it away
12:45<gsimmons>dpkg: tell steven -about ath9k
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12:48<felixs>steven: sorry, i misread your lspci line. seems you have a much newer ath than me :|
12:49<steven>felixs: So what do I do?
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12:52<felixs>steven: didnt gsimmons make dpkg tell you?
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12:52<felixs>steven: anyway: next step would be, check if your kernel supports this chipset
12:52<steven>felixs: I saw it. Thanks.
12:53<felixs>steven: which kernel do you run?
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12:57<steven>felixs: Sorry about that. 2.6.26-2-686
12:57<felixs>steven: 2.6.26 doesnt even support my (older) chip iirc
12:58<felixs>try installing the 2.6.32 kernel from backports
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13:27<steven>felixs: Sorry my laptop died. What was I doing?
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13:34<Cadmium01>What's the safest way to install a newer version of something that is not available in pdates yet?
13:34<amphi>backports?
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13:35<Cadmium01>amphi, Is there a big chance of messing things up? I basically need the latest version of PHP
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13:36<amphi>use a backport? shouldn't be, but security is not so rigorous for backports I think
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13:37<Cadmium01>dpkg backports
13:37<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.org/ . Ask me about <backports.org> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>.
13:37<Cadmium01>amphi, thanks
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13:37<amphi>welcome
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13:42<mikepb>dpkg denyhosts
13:42<dpkg>i heard denyhosts is a python script that analyzes the sshd logs to find possible break-in attempts. It keeps track of the frequency of attempts from each host. Additionally, upon discovering a repeated attack host, the /etc/hosts.deny file is updated to prevent future break-in attempts from that host. An email report can be sent to a system email address. See also <fail2ban><iptables ssh filter>.
13:42<amphi>!tell mikepb -about selftell
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13:43<mikepb>ah ok
13:43<mikepb>where can i get support for that program ?
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13:54<felixs>steven: try installing the 2.6.32 kernel from backports
13:55<gpm>i'm trying to get netselect-apt to find the fastest mirror for me, it has selected ftp.nz.debian.org, i live in oakland, ca (us), any clues as to why it's suggesting a server on the other end of the globe?
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14:07<EmleyMoor>tar warns that a file changed as we read it, and records 0 bytes - is there any way to force it to retly a few times?
14:07<EmleyMoor>retry
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14:08<dondelelcaro>EmleyMoor: trying to tar something which is being changed as tar is reading is destined for failure
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14:09<EmleyMoor>Hence wanting it to retry a few times in the hope that it will be lucky
14:09<dondelelcaro>EmleyMoor: what are you trying to tar?
14:09<dondelelcaro>EmleyMoor: is this for a backup?
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14:10<EmleyMoor>dondelelcaro: For a backup, yes - my partner's Outlook.pst file
14:10<dondelelcaro>EmleyMoor: the best way to do that then is to use lvm, take a snapshot, and tar the snapshot
14:11<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... not sure I've a way to do that....
14:11<EmleyMoor>However, thanks for the hint
14:13<dondelelcaro>EmleyMoor: well, if the filesystem isn't on lvm, it may not be possible... but that's one of the reasons why lvm is so useful
14:13<dondelelcaro>EmleyMoor: otherwise, you could try making the filesystem read-only temporarily, but I've no idea out outlook would handle that
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14:13<EmleyMoor>I hate maintaining backups of his box TBH
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14:15<dondelelcaro>EmleyMoor: if you're doing it via SMB, and you're doing the backups late at night when no one is using outlook, it'd probably work, though
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14:16<EmleyMoor>Not SMB - ssh
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14:17<EmleyMoor>If he closes Outlook at night, it works - but it seems he rarely does
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14:23<dondelelcaro>EmleyMoor: oh, so the files are all on that windows machine?
14:23*EmleyMoor is not sure what you mean
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14:30<adonis>oi
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14:32<gpm>i'm trying to get netselect-apt to find the fastest mirror for me, it has selected ftp.nz.debian.org, i live in oakland, ca (us), any clues as to why it's suggesting a server on the other end of the globe?
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14:37<EmleyMoor>fastest does not necessarily equal nearest
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14:39<gpm>EmleyMoor: still it seems unlikely that that server would be the fastest
14:40<otak>gpm: yeh netselect recommended a japanese mirror to me. I live in the uk.
14:40<retrospectacus>you could try running it again if you don't like the results
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14:49<gpm>otak: crazy, did you do it?
14:49<gpm>i guess my question is more
14:49<gpm>it recommended a server across the globe, should i trust it
14:50<gpm>(?)
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14:51<aj149>I have a question about hfsprogs throwing the error 'partition size not a multiple of 4k' however the partition is still mounting as hfsplus, what I want to know is if it is still safe to use the partition?
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14:58<otak>gpm: yes but I ran netselect again a couple of days later and got a different result.
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15:01<otak>I guess it could change very quickly. Anyway for me it's more a question of sharing the load between the servers. It doesn't take long to update anyway.
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15:03<gpm>otak: yeah mine changed within minutes
15:04<gpm>maybe i'll just stick with ftp.us.d.o, it seems to be the most quickly updated mirror and it's plenty fast
15:04*jordanm always picks mirror.anl.gov or a local university
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15:06<gpm>yeah there is linux.csua.berkeley.edu
15:06<gpm>any reason for those rules, jordanm?
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15:18<jordanm>gpm: I usually find they always have good speed
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15:23<Gold-Shadow>hi
15:24<Gold-Shadow>how to add 'copy' in Keyboard shortcut ?
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15:34<burst_error>does the debian netinst cd come with debian.exe?
15:35<blarson>burst_error: it's a bootable disk.
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15:42<tS_rB>i know i'm in the wrong channel for this: anyone happen to be a qmail expert?
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15:49<retrospectacus>tS_rB: you can try asking.
15:49<retrospectacus>there is also #qmail on irc.freenode.net
15:49<SirMuh>Hi, where so i find a support-channel for Debian testing?
15:49<jordanm>if you are not already a qmail expert, why use it?
15:49<jordanm>SirMuh: your here
15:50<SirMuh>kk i thought it only for stable ;)
15:51<SirMuh>I have some trouble running the network-manager: wicd. The wicd-daemon doesn't start and I cant find any logfiles oder Informations for trouble-shooting
15:51<tS_rB>jordanm: my life would be very dull if i only used things i was already expert in ;) thanks anyway
15:53<jordanm>tS_rB: well, I meant this specifically for qmail
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15:53<jordanm>which doesn't even support authenticated relay without 3rd party patches... its a bit dated
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15:54<jordanm>from what I understand, you use qmail when you have a C programmer on staff to modify it
15:54<deepak>any wanderlust/emacs user ?
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15:54<jordanm>!anyone
15:54<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
15:54<tS_rB>jordanm: i've come to the conclusion that having a c programmer on staff is a neccessity with qmail
15:55<jordanm>deepak: probably better luck with #emacs on irc.freenode.net
15:55<jordanm>tS_rB: yes, so why choose it over all the others?
15:55<deepak>jordanm: ok...
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15:57<tS_rB>jordanm: it was already here when i arrived
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16:13<staspika_>Hi all. What the word
16:13<staspika_>Hi all. What the word 'trunk' means in 'linux-image-2.6.32-trunk-amd64'
16:14<jordanm>it means upgrade your system and remove it
16:14<locklace>staspika_: "don't use this"
16:15<jordanm>see, locklace has the same idea :)
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16:15<staspika_>Thank you for your wise advice. But what the word 'trunk' actually means?
16:16<locklace>!trunk
16:16<dpkg>[trunk] a term from version control systems such as <cvs>, <svn> and <git>. The "trunk" can often be thought of as a developer's playground, the stability (or otherwise) of the code varies from project to project. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trunk_(software) . Debian 2.6.32-trunk-* kernel image/headers packages are obsolete and were removed from the archive ; /msg judd kernel --release squeeze ; see Debian bug #568160 and <kernel abi>.
16:17<retrospectacus>tS_rB: my servers use qmail. What's your question?
16:17<locklace>i hope it's "what is djb smoking"
16:18<staspika_>locklace, Can you advice me how to move from trunk to anything else? Why was it installed by default?
16:19<jordanm>staspika_: becuase you are using testing, and thats what the default was when the CD was created
16:19<jordanm>staspika_: also, testing users should know how to do things such as upgrade their kernel
16:19<jordanm>!tell staspika_ about testing
16:20<jordanm>!tell staspika_ about moving target
16:21<staspika_>!tell jordanm about thanks
16:21<retrospectacus>hehehehehheh
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16:29<knoppix_harw>hi
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16:46<SirMuh>Hi, still having problems with my wicd-daemon on Debian(testing). here ( http://paste.debian.net/78795/ ) are some logs. But they're just saying "Daemon isn't running" -.- Any ideas?
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16:48<Wuher>Anyone familiar with jetty 6 on Debian? I'm deploying a war file, with WEB-INF/jetty-env.xml, and it seems like it isn't being read. As a consequence, I get javax.naming.NameNotFoundException; remaining name 'env' when my code tries to initialize the db pool
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16:52<Nova10>Could anyone tell me if it would be possible to use an encrypted lvm install along with windows on the same physical HDD?
16:54<Nova10>Anyone?
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16:56<hacman_>Nova10: You want to install windows into an encrypted LVM? I don't think, that it's possible...
16:58<hacman_>but the're other possibilities to encrypt windows partitions...
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16:58<Nova10>Windows will be on a separate un-encrypted partition. It's just the debian-installer wiki page says that it will wipe the whole disk with random characters.
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16:59<hacman_>I just had an encrypted LVM besides a Windows System... (Primary Windows and Primary Linux)
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17:01<hacman_>not with debian -> with ubuntu, but I think, that this should not make a difference...
17:02<Nova10>That's great to hear.
17:02<Nova10>Thanks alot.
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17:02<Nova10>Should I install windows or debian first?
17:02<hacman_>you're welcome...
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17:04<hacman_>windows first... otherwise windows will overwrite the Masterboot-Record, so grub can't be loaded (without any interventions)
17:05<hacman_>^Masterboot-Record^Master-Boot-Record
17:05<Nova10>Cheers
17:05<mikepb>i think its time to reask my question :D
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17:06<mikepb>is there anybody here that knows why after evry login of ssh i get on the hosts.deny list with denyhosts ??
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17:06<mikepb>luckaly i have a drac else this would be bad :s
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17:12<cesurasean>Pointer out of sync eth1. What does this error mean exactly? I'm unable to ssh to my box!
17:13<cesurasean>Is this a kernel panic?
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17:16<cesurasean>out-of-sync dirty pointer eth1
17:17<cesurasean>can someone enlighten me on why my debian system is now telling me this for ethernet?
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17:31<jhutchins_lt>mikepb: Some misguided attempt at security?
17:31<jhutchins_lt>mikepb: That doesn't happen on any of my servers.
17:32<mikepb>its weird
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17:33<mikepb>it worked fine for long time
17:33<mikepb>but now :s
17:33<cesurasean1>insserv" Starting webmin depends on rrmnologin and therefore on system facility '$all' which can not be true.
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17:33<cesurasean1>how do i fix this?
17:35<jhutchins_lt>cesurasean1: Remove webmin. It is a security hazard.
17:36<cesurasean1>I've already removed it.
17:36<cesurasean1>still getting same error
17:37<cesurasean1>What do I do to remove this error?
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17:39<mikepb>format c:\ ? xD
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17:39<mikepb>could purging help ?
17:40<cesurasean1>It seems webmin is still installed, but this error displays either way I go.
17:40<cesurasean1>When I try to remove Webmin, it gives me this such said error.
17:40<cesurasean1>wtf?
17:41<mikepb>not a specialist but didyou try to remove with apt ?
17:41<cesurasean1>yes
17:42<mikepb>maybe it dont work if u havent installed it with apt
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17:44<cesurasean1>insserv" Starting webmin depends on rrmnologin and therefore on system facility '$all' which can not be true.
17:44<cesurasean1>what does that mean exactly?
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17:45<old>cesuraseanl: Purge the pakage, and if it won't help you can ramove a webmin script in /etc/init.d/.
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17:46<craigevil>dpkg --purge webmin, if that doesnt work you can try aptitude purge ~c
17:46*dpkg drinks a glass of salty water, sticks his fingers down his throat and throws up webmin, if that doesnt work you can try aptitude purge ~c all over craigevil and zeroXten...
17:47<locklace>!beer dpkg
17:47*dpkg pulls out a fine Piraat for dpkg
17:47<cesurasean1>I fixed it by rm the webmin script inside /etc/init.d
17:47<old>cesuraseanl When insserv is trying to rearrange the scripts it reads webmin's init script which is broken.
17:47<cesurasean1>then it was able to run
17:48<old>cesuraseanl: Just in case purge the package too.
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17:56<cesurasean1>Ok, the main problem is when i booted up, i was getting pointer out of sync errors on eth1.
17:56<cesurasean1>I'm not longer able to ssh to the box, either.
17:57<cesurasean1>yet, it's downloading packages to install right now, just fine.
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17:58<cesurasean1>im getting connection refused when trying to ssh.
17:59<mikepb>you got denyhosts ? like me my own server blocks me xD
17:59<cesurasean1>no
18:00<jordanm>mikepb: are you using the default configuration?
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18:01<cesurasean1>Ok, it seems I'm able to ssh from the box itself to itself.
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18:04<jordanm>mikepb: DENY_THRESHOLD_ROOT?
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18:05<twiggz>you should be able to ssh to localhost...lol..
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18:09<mikepb>its when i login with diffrent users also
18:09<mikepb>gonna look in config
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18:10<burst_error>why is dpkg throwing up?
18:10<mikepb>ah cant atm my drac screen is buisy atm
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18:11<mikepb>its hosting the new source dedicated server if u ask me :D
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18:18<interbird>If I try to install Lenny on some older hardware, and it barks at writing to disk, but still this disk passes a badblocks when connected as usb to another system; is it safe to say the harddisk controller in this oldie is at failure ?
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18:26<steve_>!mplayer
18:26<dpkg>MPlayer is a movie player for Unix-like systems, packaged for Debian. Binary codecs can be installed with the /usr/share/mplayer/scripts/binary_codecs.sh script. For DVD support, ask me about <dvd playback>. Unofficial packages are available on <debian-multimedia>. As an alternative, use a player based on <xine> or <vlc>. Also ask me about <mplayer faq>, <mencoder>. http://www.mplayerhq.hu/ #mplayer on irc.freenode.net.
18:26<steve_>!permasunday
18:26<dpkg>All days in #debian will remain Sunday until further notice. Unfortunately, outside #debian the world keeps turning, so you still have to get up and go to work. Welcome to PermaTardsday! http://www.lyricsfreak.com/m/morrissey/96007.html
18:27<steve_>!ubuntu
18:27<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
18:27<themill>steve_: you can /msg dpkg
18:27<steve_>!dpkg
18:27<dpkg>well, dpkg is the program used by debian to install and remove packages, "man dpkg". Also ask me about <reference>. The main info bot in #debian is also called dpkg; ask me about <dpkgbot>.
18:27<steve_>oops
18:27<steve_>sorry
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18:33<interbird>!ide
18:33<dpkg>i heard ide is (Integrated Device Electronics) IDE is the standard hard drive interface for PCs. You can connect a maximum of two hard drives to an IDE connection or channel. IDE hard drives are cheaper than SCSI drives, but sucks the chrome off a CPU, so to speak. check out http://linux-ide.org. Integrated Development Environment
18:33<interbird>!badblocks
18:33<dpkg>i heard badblocks is badblocks(8): search device for bad blocks
18:34<interbird>!controller
18:36<burst_error>interbird: please use "/msg dpkg" as was previously stated
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18:36<interbird>burst_error: is ! out of favour ?
18:37<old>Looks like "/msg bots" in the topic is not enough...
18:37<old>interbird: You're flooding the channel. Use /msg, please.
18:37<themill>interbird: you can have whatever conversations you like with dpkg in a private message, the rest of us don't need to know. This isn't something that's changed any time recently
18:40<interbird>In my opinion a lot and a lot has changed about this channel since about at least 5 years now; and it's getting worse...
18:40<cesurasean1>ifconfig up eth3 192.168.1.99 is giving me "eth3: Host name lookup failure"
18:40<cesurasean1>how do I fix this?
18:41<interbird>why eth3 is eth0 not there ?
18:41<cesurasean1>I've added another network card to my box, edited /etc/interfaces to reflect eth3 instead of eth0, and my networking still does not seem to work?
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18:42<cesurasean1>eth0 i was having problems with, so i added a network card.
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18:42<interbird>does ifconfig -a give a full list also with MACs ?
18:42<interbird>what card did you add? can you see with lspci ?
18:44<cesurasean1>yes
18:44<cesurasean1>i can see there eth0, eth1, and eth0 instead ifconfig -a
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18:45<cesurasean1>how do i run ifconfig so i can see ALL of the interfaces? the screen scrolls too fast.
18:45<interbird>could you, in danger of flooding this channel, give the command: lspci|grep -i network ? -- so we can see the hardware...
18:45<old>cesuraseanl: `ifconfig | less`.
18:46<cesurasean1>Ok, I have eth0, eth2, and eth3.
18:46<old>cesuraseanl: [q] to quit.
18:46<interbird>ifconfig -a |less
18:46<cesurasean1>I'm assuming eth3 is the card i want to select.
18:46<cesurasean1>how do i know which card eth3 is?
18:47<interbird>old can help you
18:47<cesurasean1>I keep getting hostname lookup failure when trying to configure the eth
18:47<cesurasean1>why is this?
18:48<interbird>old?
18:48<old>interbird: No, I can't – leaving in 5 minutes.
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18:50<old>interbird: Also I suck at configuring networks. I still use wpa_supplicant to set up my connection each time I boot.
18:50<interbird>can you put the output of lspci | grep -i network here ? won't be more than 3 lines
18:50<interbird>old: peace :-)
18:51<cesurasean1>what file is lspci | grep -i network reading?
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18:52<old>I'm going to ask you how to change it, but not today. Good night.
18:52<cesurasean1>it says Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82566DC Gigabit Network Controller
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18:53<interbird>nite old
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18:53<interbird>and that's the only one you see? i thought you had two network cards in you system ?
18:55<cesurasean1>yes thats the only one it sees
18:55<interbird>is this the one that did not workin the first place or the one you added ?
18:56<cesurasean1>Ok, it's working now....
18:56<interbird>hmm, that's what i like... :-)
18:56<cesurasean1>although, it's not showing an ip address for one of my network cards?
18:57<interbird>using dhcp or manual ip ?
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18:57<cesurasean1>manual ip
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18:58<cesurasean1>i was able to do a ifconfig eth2 up 198.2.2.2
18:58<cesurasean1>and it's also inside my /etc/network/interfaces
18:58<cesurasean1>just doesn't seem to turn on with boot
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19:00<interbird>but yo198.2.2.2 is not a *local* ip address; local ip-addresses are: 10.x.x.x, 192.168.x.x or 176-and-some; unless you ha a direct ip-address assigned by your provider, 198.x.x.x makes no sense; check google about ip-addresses and classes
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19:02<cesurasean1>It's still not assigning the ip address to that card.
19:02<cesurasean1>How do I check to see which card is eth2?
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19:02<interbird>http://www.technofundo.com/tech/misc/abcofip.html
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19:05<interbird>if it is eth0,1,or 2 does not matter; assigning a non-local address will get you in conflict with the inet if you are connected to a router; ifconfig -a will show all interfaces; without the -a it will show you the interfaces that are up
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19:05<cesurasean>My debian system is blocking me from connecting through ssh, or sftp. I can connect from other machines just fine. Is there some kind of blocking tool that's being used?
19:06<cesurasean>hostsdeny file or something?
19:07<interbird>did you understand my point about local (192.x.x.x) and non-local (198.x.x.x) addresses ?
19:07<cesurasean>I know what local addresses are, sir.
19:07<interbird>if you know that, then why does your ip start with 198 ?
19:07<cesurasean>How come I cannot connect to my machine from my laptop? Too many bad tries must have blocked it somehow.
19:08<cesurasean>i mistyped 198
19:08<cesurasean>i meant 192
19:08<interbird>shush... :-(
19:08<interbird>hate you
19:08<cesurasean>interbird, is there a hostsdeny file or something im missing out on?
19:08<cesurasean>how did my machine get blocked?
19:09<interbird>look at /etc/hosts*
19:09<cesurasean>Why?
19:09<cesurasean>The connection is fine.
19:09<cesurasean>I can connect from this computer right here, but not on my laptop.
19:09<interbird>kee, problem solved; good night.
19:09<themill>Are they even on the same network and configured properly? I'd start by making sure that the network is sane before looking at things like denyhosts.
19:09<cesurasean>So why is my laptop being blocked from connecting?
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19:10<cesurasean>what is denyhosts?
19:10<interbird>like ip's you want to deny access?
19:10<cesurasean>where is it locked at?
19:10<interbird>are you sure you know what you are doing ?
19:11<cesurasean>there is nothing inside hosts.deny
19:11<interbird>at the entrance-level -- even before iptables...
19:11<cesurasean>i removed iptables, that's not the problem either
19:11<cesurasean>somehow the machine has blocked me
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19:11<cesurasean>can that happen from too many attempts?
19:11<qq->!tell cesurasean about denyhosts
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19:12<interbird>!deny
19:12<cesurasean>qq-, there's nothing in my deny hosts file.
19:12<interbird>!denyhosts
19:12<dpkg>[denyhosts] a python script that analyzes the sshd logs to find possible break-in attempts. It keeps track of the frequency of attempts from each host. Additionally, upon discovering a repeated attack host, the /etc/hosts.deny file is updated to prevent future break-in attempts from that host. A report can be sent to a system email address. http://denyhosts.sf.net/ See also <fail2ban>, <iptables ssh filter>.
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19:13<cesurasean>What else could be causing my system to deny me access through ssh besides deny hosts
19:13<interbird>buh
19:13<cesurasean>?
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19:14<themill>incorrectly configured network would be one reason
19:14<harw>if the workspace switching app crashes how do I restart it?
19:14<interbird>yeh; one reason...
19:14<Xenguy>cesurasean: hrm, what about /etc/sshd_config ?
19:14<cesurasean>I can connect from multiple computers, except for my laptop.
19:15<interbird>what is the ip of your laptop ?
19:15<interbird>192, 10, 176, ??
19:15<Xenguy>cesurasean: AllowUsers (IIRC) , for example
19:15<cesurasean>192.168.1.60
19:15<interbird>and what is it's gateway ? (route -n)
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19:16<cesurasean>I can ping from my laptop to the server, just can't connect through ssh.
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19:17<interbird>did you try tracing the route from your laptop -- to see where it stagnates ?
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19:17<cesurasean>interbird, yes, the server gives it a connection refused signal
19:17<interbird>are you trying to ssh into a remote or into a local box ?
19:17<themill>!connection refused
19:17<dpkg>When a TCP connection (e.g. telnet somehost 80) gives the error "connection refused", it means that either the service in question is not running on the specified IP address at all (e.g. apache has died), or that a firewall has rejected your SYN packet and sent back a rejection packet to you. It's a VERY CLEAR, EXPLICIT error message and ALWAYS means one of those two things.
19:18<cesurasean>local box
19:18<interbird>is ssh running on this box ?
19:18<cesurasean>yes, i have connected to ssh from two other machines
19:18<cesurasean>the server has blocked access somehow!
19:19<themill>cesurasean: none of the standard ssh brute-force protection programs that I know of give "connection refused".
19:19<interbird>are there special ssh-deny files or other shit on the box that runs ssh ? do the ip-addresses of the other boxes, the ones that can connect, are in the same subnet ?
19:19<cesurasean>themill, what could be causing the problem then? I've connected from 4 other machines just fine...
19:19<cesurasean>yes
19:20<Xenguy>cesurasean: again, have you checked the server's SSH configuation, e.g. /etc/sshd_config ?
19:20<interbird>can you ping the box runnung ssh ?
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19:20<cesurasean>yes, i can ping the box just fine
19:20<cesurasean>just can't ssh
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19:22<interbird>you could do a mv ~/.ssh ~/.ssh-keep to get you a fresh signature on your client-box;
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19:23<cesurasean>Ok, I changed ip address on my windows laptop, but i still cannot login to my debian box with ssh..
19:23<interbird>and then try again; maybe because you changed nics some ssh-key does not comply; dunno
19:23<themill>Is ssh even listening on the relevant IP?
19:23<Xenguy>themill: supposedly yes
19:24<felixs>cesurasean: you could use netcat to check whether tcp works.
19:24<themill>Xenguy: connection refused implies no, however.
19:25<interbird>problem seems to be on this one client he has; other clients seem to connect so the ssh-service seems to be running
19:25<Xenguy>themill: you don't think that the service can be running and get that error too?
19:25<Xenguy>interbird: maybe SSHD is configured to block that IP?
19:26<interbird>did you try to 'move-out-of-the-way' your ssh-credentials like i said with the mv command ?
19:26<themill>Xenguy: you can get that if you fiddle with iptables (but supposedly that's not the case) or if you have a completely ballsed up networ (also supposedly not the case)
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19:26<felixs>sometimes ethernet switches want to be restarted (cold), due to corrupt arp tables
19:27<interbird>Xenguy: dunno; don't know if he is able to check that; maybe it's because of an old credential on the ssh-server because he changed network-cards...
19:27<cesurasean>nope, i delete the putty key, and it's still not allowing me to ssh.
19:28<cesurasean>ive also changed ip addresses of my laptop
19:28<cesurasean>what now?
19:28<interbird>is the ssh-server a linux or a windows box ?
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19:29<Xenguy>from windows/client -> linux/server ?
19:30<cesurasean>yes
19:30<interbird>ahh, ok; glad to get that finally; i'm half an hour thinking you are on a linux client; buh!
19:30<cesurasean>but i think it's working now
19:30<cesurasean>it must have blocked me somehow
19:30<interbird>good; keep it like that
19:31<Xenguy>heh, wonder what the solution was?
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19:32<interbird>well, the cause was this dud did not care to mention he used a windows client and maybe has a /etc directory now; gimme a break...
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19:34<interbird>the cause was ignorance and the solution was understanding...
19:36<interbird>now reboot
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19:37<cesurasean>I keep getting Connection refused, and then it allows me to connect?
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19:40<cesurasean>what is libmd5-perl's package name on squeeze? it seems to have changed,...
19:41<interbird>buh, get a life, browse debian.org or do a debootstrap -- silly questions are a kind of flood...
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19:42<ml|>apt-file -l search foo; can also leave out the -l
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19:43<terr_>does anyone know where there is an #openoffic channel? either that or can someone tell me how to indent a paragraph?
19:44<themill>terr_: Format->Paragraph->Indent. There's #openoffice.org on irc.freenode.net.
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19:45<terr_>themill: worked - thanx
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19:46<themill>np
19:46<interbird>terr_: with the tab-key ? -- but then, you must know what a paragraph is en thus know the difference between pressing enter or shift-enter...
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19:49<terr_>interbird: thanx. I assume its something like in word perfect.
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19:52<interbird>terr_: dunno, but it's something like word97+++; enter creates a new para and shift-enter creates a new-line in the current para. And then you have para-styles and so on; You should read a bit before you go typing... Nothing scary; if you understand how it works you could change your whole document from courier 4 pt to helvetica 18 pt with just 2 clicks...
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19:55<terr_>interbird: I don't have time to read up on it. We're on a deadline and I just need to put the text in. Then I save it in a word format and shoot it off to other folks. BTW - I've never used word in my life... and very little OO. But I have used word perfect under DOS and that was good enough for me. I don't know why people feel they need to improve things.
19:59<retrospectacus>MS creates useless new "features" and versions to make money, we make new versions to stay compatible
19:59<interbird>terr_: WP 5.x,6.x was a different beast; it was more like html; there was a tag, like bold, until it was unbolded. Word97+++ and OOo work with styles. A para is a set of lines grouped together and separated with shift-enter. A hard-enter (just enter) creates a net paragraph. If you have to make this tekst: remember: use shift-enter for lines that belong together and use enter to start a net group of lines (para) and later you can change
19:59<interbird> the apperance easily.
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20:00<dondelelcaro>this is why I use LaTeX
20:01<interbird>dondelelcaro: excactly, but not easily explained how to use it; true documenting is an art and it starts with the separation of content and makeup...
20:02<dondelelcaro>kind of; you need some markup in the documentation
20:02<dondelelcaro>but the markup should be descriptive, not proscriptive
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20:04<interbird>in my opinion there should be no makeup in the content at all; it is preferably xml with tags for a rendering engine; but that's just my opinion...
20:06<dondelelcaro>even xml is still markup
20:07<interbird>having a content that is void of makeup makes it reusable for several different kinds of (re)presentation; xslt does the translation to the target rendering-engine.
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20:07<interbird>nope; xml is plain
20:08<dondelelcaro>interbird: you're still marking it up in some fashion
20:08<dondelelcaro>interbird: you may not be dictating the exact output format, but there still is some markup present
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20:09<dondelelcaro>you have to be able to indicate that some text is emphasized, links for references, mathmatics, to be processed by another language, a table, a caption, labels for cross references, etc.
20:09<interbird>dondelelcaro, sure, later; and the tags may be in the xml, but there is no makeup in the source-content; it gets rendered to html,xhtml,xul, whatever
20:09<dondelelcaro>interbird: it's still markup
20:10<interbird>yes, and that is in the attributes which your xlst-sheel knows about.
20:10<interbird>nope
20:10<dondelelcaro>interbird: ideally it's markup which is easily mapped into some other form of markup, but it's still markup
20:10<interbird>ir's "directives" on how to render
20:11<dondelelcaro>markup literally is a set of notations which annotates a document's contents which tells you how it's structured
20:11<interbird>the content could be read without all the attributes or tags; just your (xslt) tranlation can put a lipstick on it
20:12<interbird>true; and how many of these are in use?
20:12<interbird>many
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20:12<interbird>but <para color="green">this is a text</para> is still content
20:14<interbird>but <para><style color:green></style>This is a text with shit</style></para> is a content with makeup.
20:14<dondelelcaro>uh... I'm talking about markup, not makeup...
20:15<dondelelcaro>heh; you've been saying makeup the whole time...
20:16<interbird>well, if you realy think about those two, markup and makeup; isn.t it so they are actually the same ?
20:17<retrospectacus>apparently I'm not the only one who's been drinking
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20:18<interbird>what i try to say is that any content should be readable without markup or makeup and if these markup/makeup stuff is applied it the content just presents "nicer" but is not different from presenting without the lipstick.
20:18<tS_rB>retrospectacus: i saw that you responded to me earlier. my situation with qmail is that i want to offer smtp relay on a nonstandard port for a particular group (this part i have configured easily), but i want that group's e-mail to be sent from a different ip than the rest of the e-mail being sent from the server. to solve the problem i'm considering installing a second instance of qmail and applying outsideip.patch to it. what i have been ask
20:19<dondelelcaro>interbird: I don't know what makeup means, but markup just means notation which tells you about the structure of text. It's almost impossible to have meaningful documentation without it.
20:20<dondelelcaro>tS_rB: first off, are you sure you want to be running qmail?
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20:20<tS_rB>not sure at all, haha
20:21<retrospectacus>tS_rB: well you can assign multiple IPs to a single interface first of all (google it) but I don't know how you might do that. Perhaps with iptables.
20:21<dondelelcaro>tS_rB: unless you have specific requirements that necessitate qmail, I'd suggest postfix or exim instead...
20:21<retrospectacus>tS_rB: I am heading home now, good luck :)
20:22<retrospectacus>oh sorry I thought you said install a second network card. Yeah 2 mail processes might help
20:22<tS_rB>i use parallels as a hypervisor, so i will probably be finished with this situation faster if i just deploy an extra container, thanks for looking
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20:23<tS_rB>it's funny that you have to patch qmail just to define an interface in the first place
20:23<dondelelcaro>tS_rB: if you're using exim, it's the interface option...
20:23<dondelelcaro>tS_rB: yes... this is one of the (many) reasons why almost no one uses it
20:24<Xenguy>dondelelcaro: some sysadmin insisted to me that qmail was fastest of all the MTAs
20:24<Xenguy>dondelelcaro: though I never saw a benchmark
20:25<dondelelcaro>Xenguy: it may be, but that's mainly because it violates all kinds of RFCs
20:25<interbird>dondelelcaro, ok. we are going into a discussion about documenting, content and presentation; which i would like to but maybe some other time. For the sake of me having just two fingers to type, please come to my home town a day and I will give you beer and you will tell me your thoughts about mark-makeup. Cool dondel :-)
20:25<tS_rB>i do miss exim
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20:25<Xenguy>dondelelcaro: really - I had no idea about violations
20:25<dondelelcaro>Xenguy: yeah, see http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=510415 for details
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20:27<Xenguy>dondelelcaro: anyway I never liked the license (I use postfix whenever possible myself)
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20:28<tS_rB>if i'm going to switch to exim, i may as well redo the whole server group. they are all on centos.
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20:29<tS_rB>retrospectacus: thanks for reading, cheers
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20:38<Silicium01>Is there a way to find out what's the latest version of a package in repository before updating?
20:39<Silicium01>For example, I want to know what's the version of PHP in package php5 currently in Lenny
20:40<blarson>Silicium01: You can check packages.debian.org, but sometimes that is a day or so out of date.
20:40<qq->, versions php5
20:40<judd>php5 -- etch: 5.2.0+dfsg-8+etch16; etch-security: 5.2.0+dfsg-8+etch16; lenny: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny4; lenny-security: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny8; sid: 5.3.2-1; squeeze: 5.3.2-1
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20:41<Silicium01>blarson, qq-, there is no way to do this via aptitude or apt-get?
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20:42<qq->apt-cache policy php5
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20:42<interbird>it depends on your repositories (/etc/apt/sources.list); apt-cache search mc will find the version according to your repos; look at debian.org and select unstable to find the newest version of a package
20:42<Silicium01>And by the way guys, is anyone familiar with dotdeb.org and it's sources? I need the php 5.3.2 and it's not in backport, dotdeb.org has it but I'm a little vary of using untrusted repositories
20:42<interbird>(mc being an example)
20:43<jmarsden>Silicium01: If you *know* where your sources.list points, you can do aptitude show PACKAGE | grep ^Version -- but that will not letyou see what is in Lenny if you are running Squeeze, for example...
20:44<Silicium01>qq-, apt-cache policy seems exactly what I wanted
20:45<Silicium01>guys, what I'm trying to do is following: use altrnative sources that have PHP 5.3.2 until official stable package becomes available, so in the meantime i want to be checking
20:45<interbird>why make your work dependant on a version of php that is not yet common ?
20:45<interbird>(unless for testing)
20:45<Silicium01>interbird, I need it for the type of thing i'm working on, it requires 5.3.2
20:46<interbird>and you can deply your work once it is finished to clients running this version ?
20:47<interbird>s/deply/deploy/
20:47<Silicium01>interbird, no, I probably will not even be done with my work untill official 5.3.2 becomes available in Debain stable
20:47<jmarsden>Silicium01: 5.3.2 is a *bug fix* release... which bug was interfering with "the type of thing" you are working on?
20:47<Silicium01>jmarsden, symfony 2.0 requires 5.3.2
20:48<Silicium01>It's a php framework
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20:49<interbird>ok, just so you know; it is often best to use a 'common denominator' instead of 'at-the-edge' stuff; in other words: if you can make it work with a bike don't depend on a car...
20:49<interbird>(make it depend on a car)
20:50<Silicium01>interbird, I know, but I have long term in mind, by the time i'm done with my work, the Framework and Debian package will be stable.
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20:53<interbird>maybe, but to keep things simple, portable and understandable should be your goal; not some future-may-or-may-not-be feature of php or so. Think about it; do you really need 5.3.2 to make it work? And what about later... will your code be maintainable or very tailored to this version of php. Not a good way to go...
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21:02<Silicium01>interbird, my issue is not php itslef but the coding framework that I use, called Symfony. They wrote a new version, since 2.0 and it does not seem like my code written in earlier versions will be easily portable to 2.0. In anticipation that the project that I'm working on will grow, I would like to avoid headackes of upgrades later on and simply develop on bleading edge stuff, so that when i'm done coding, p
21:02<Silicium01>hp and framework I use will be stable
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21:19<dbldtx>http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/8145/dbldtx.png
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21:34<Lantizia>Hey, does anyone know what that option with APT is to get it to not ask any questions?
21:37<Silicium01>-y
21:37<Silicium01>apt-get --help <- it lists options
21:37<Silicium01>man apt-get for more
21:37<Silicium01>Lantizia, ^^
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21:38<Lantizia>Nah it's not -y I'm already using that
21:38<cesurasean>Can someone help me out? I keep getting "Connection aborted" when connecting from Putty to my box through ssh, but then sometimes it connects just fine. Later, it disconnects me though.
21:38<cesurasean>Any ideas?
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21:38<tanio>hi
21:39<tanio>are we used aircrack??
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21:48<interbird>and man apt-get shows a black screen i guess
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21:49<interbird>nope; we are beyon this ancient wireless thingie...
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21:52<interbird>cesurasean: why don't you try a live cd like debian-live, knoppix or ubbie; download the ssh package with sudo apt-get ssh and try to connect to this ssh-server; if this works you know it is not any credential stugff
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21:53<interbird>cesurasean: why don't you try a live cd like debian-live, knoppix or ubbie; download the ssh package with sudo apt-get ssh and try to connect to this ssh-server; if this works you know it is not any credential stuff; if it fails, try googling putty-stuff...
21:54<interbird>i.o.w. if you can connect using a live cd it's in your win-box/putty settings...
21:54<cesurasean>interbird, im connected now, and have been for longer than 5 minutes.
21:55<interbird>so, probbie solved ?
21:55<interbird>yes?
21:55<cesurasean>i think after sometime it might kicked me off again, or reject the connection a few times when i try to login. im going to wait some days and see if problem exists.
21:55<cesurasean>not quite sure yet
21:55<cesurasean>Network error: Software caused connection abort
21:56<cesurasean>that's what it's saying in putty, it just kicked me again.
21:56<jmarsden>cesurasean: if putty has debug logging, enable it.
21:56<jmarsden>Or, run Debian on that machine instead of Windows, and so avoid Putty entirely :)
21:56<interbird>well, you could be on the wrong support-channel for putty... this is Debbie...
21:59<interbird>Again: using a live-cd may help you pinpoint your problem... last time i ventilate that idea.
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22:05<interbird>Actually, in almost all network problems, one tries a live-cd to get some kind of 'decoupled' environment; a live-cd is like a swiss-army-knife...
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22:29<scientes>i need ia32-libmpg123
22:29<scientes>but it doesn't exist
22:29<scientes>how do i install it from a i386 package correctly
22:29<scientes>on sid
22:29<scientes>aka, how do i multi-arch
22:31<scientes>or should i manually install the .so or something ?
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22:32<scientes>ia32-libmpg123-0
22:35<scientes>anybody?
22:38<qq->, versions ia32-libs --arch amd64 --release sid
22:38<judd>ia32-libs -- sid: 20090808
22:38<qq->, versions libmpg123-0 --arch amd64 --release sid
22:38<judd>libmpg123-0 -- sid: 1.12.1-2
22:39<scientes>its not in ia32-libs
22:41<qq->there are two packages
22:42<scientes>i have libmpg123-0_1.12.1-2_i386.deb
22:42<scientes>and need to install iton a amd64
22:42<scientes>curent plan is just to unpack and copy the .so
22:44<qq->usually we use ia32-libs on 64 bit to enable using 32 bit packages on 64
22:44<scientes>but it doesn't have everything
22:44<scientes>shouldn't multiarch be working by now?
22:45<qq->!multiarch
22:45<dpkg>hmm... multiarch is http://wiki.debian.org/multiarch and will allow Debian many improvements like a better support for systems that can run multiple binary targets, like i386 on amd64,i386 on ia64. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2006/05/msg00290.html, or http://wiki.debian.org/MultiarchFosdem
22:46<scientes>oooooooold
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22:46<scientes>https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MultiarchSpec
22:47<jhutchins_lt>Hmm, seems lots of people are curious about what client I run.
22:47<qq->scientes, ask #ubuntu
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22:48<scientes>qq-, no, that for debian too
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22:48<scientes>see here: http://wiki.debian.org/multiarch
22:48<qq->uname -r , say ?
22:48<scientes>its a joint effort
22:48<scientes>2.6.34-1-amd64
22:50<jhutchins_lt>scientes: One reason that 64b development has lagged is a lack of developers who have 64b hardware and are interested in improving the system.
22:51<twiggz>i wish i could run macirssi on linux...
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22:52<scientes>WOOT< it finially worked
22:53<scientes>maybe
22:53<scientes>hmmmmm
22:53<scientes>jhutchins_lt, I thought almost every developer had amd64 hardware?
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22:55<jhutchins_lt>scientes: Not necessarily. Some run 32b systems on 64b hardware. Of the many systems I manage, none is 64b, although a few have the hardware.
22:55<jhutchins_lt>scientes: It's not like working on Debian development is financially rewarding.
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22:59<scientes>yes
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23:01<jhutchins_lt>Even so, 64b linux is generally more advanced than 64b Windows.
23:01<scientes>no shit
23:01<scientes>64b windows hardly exists
23:02<scientes>64b linux is a full-blown 64b, even flash was released for it
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23:03<qq->!flash64
23:03<interbird>cp/m let's you write a letter in wordstar in 64kb ram; that's something not possible now-a-days
23:03<dbldtx>Is the nVidia Squeeze problem fixed yet?
23:04<scientes>i dont get it
23:06<dbldtx>!tell scientes about nvidia squeeze
23:06<dbldtx>It's FIXED! ZA STALINA!
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23:07<interbird>why ask here about nvidia blobs; tried nouveau ? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nouveau_(graphics))
23:07<fito>hi, i'm a newbie, i have a question, how do i report a patch works for a bug? could someone help me...
23:07<dbldtx>I have a question regarding nVidia+Squeeze: I am currently running Lenny. If I apt-get dist upgrade, will I have to re-install nVidia drivers or kernel or image or headers? If yes to any of these, what else will break.
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23:07<scientes>nouveau is nice,
23:08<scientes>but do wish for 3d support
23:08<scientes>maybe Nvidia will give up and release their code :P
23:08<dbldtx>Interbird; this has been an ongoing problem for me - never heard of Nouveau, researching now.
23:08<smv>interbird, have you tried noveau?
23:08<scientes>i got nvidia propritary to work with 2.6.34
23:08<scientes>you just have to compile
23:09<interbird>fito: report a patch works for a bug? what do you mean? report a bug?
23:09<interbird>smv: yes
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23:10<smv>interbird, have you compared it atleast with nv?
23:10<fito>interbird: no, i want to report theres a patch for a known bug
23:10<qq->scientes, bah, nvidia & and release their code, same as sony ;-(
23:11<interbird>smv: nv is the framebuffer driver; how would that compare? i assume you ask if i compared with nvidia...
23:11<jmarsden>fito: Add your info and a pointer to the patch to the relevant bug in the Bug Tracking System (BTS).
23:11<smv>interbird, i mean the nv driver used by X before nouveau came out
23:12<interbird>smv: what do you mean? nv is a fb driver... nouveau has acc.. what do you mean ?
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23:13<dbldtx>Interbird; are you telling me to get nouveau because it's the best, or because it's what you use?
23:14<dbldtx>Interbird; and care to tell me the difference?
23:14<interbird>fito: post it on the appropr. forum please; many more readers there :-)
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23:14<manulero>hello
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23:15<interbird>dbldtx: im not telling you nothing; i just say that besides closed nvidia and fb nv there is nouveau; try and measure; for yourself...
23:16<dbldtx>Interbird; Thanks for suggesting something that not only answers my question, but fits my needs perfectly: "Any 3-D functionality that might exist is still unsupported. Do not ask for instructions to try it. But you can read GalliumHowto in case you are brave enough."
23:16<interbird>tell me the difference; or better yet, tell the nouveau team
23:16<dbldtx>No thanks, sir. Tell yourself.
23:16<fito>jmarsden: i'm a real newbie, could you point me to a web page or something, sorry to bother everyone
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23:17<dbldtx>I shan't be doing further research into Nouveau, thank you, though.
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23:17<jmarsden>fito: http://www.debian.org/Bugs/
23:18<interbird>dbldtx: Never burn the people trying to make your card work; at least they try and that is more than you do...
23:18<fito>jmarsden: thanks, i'll see what i can do
23:18<jmarsden>fito: You're welcome.
23:21<dbldtx>interbird; Wagh. Not burning you. I asked if there were any new developments on the Squeeze+nVidia which is covered in factoids and supported on this channel very well; you asked me if I'd tried Nouveau which is terribly conter-productive to my ongoing ISSUES which many in this channel have attempted to support. I'm not burning you, I'm just saying that I asked here about nVidia "BLOBS" (?) for a reason, sorry you didn't know what that
23:22<dbldtx>I idle in this channel religiously BECAUSE of this one issue. Found a fix via research and am implementing it/dist-upgrading now. Sorry to ruffle your feathers.
23:23<Lantizia>Hey, I'm currently using courier-imap and all my mailbox folders are subfolders of Inbox... does anyone know if Dovecot does it that way too?
23:24<dbldtx>Lantizia; Yes.
23:24<Lantizia>damn
23:24<Lantizia>It's really silly!
23:24<interbird>whatever dbldtx, go out and buy win7 or so; your card will work then; don't burn the effords undertaken by ingenious people to get closed video hardware to work. Go buy someting...
23:25<dbldtx>Your Inbox, actually, cannot contain anything other than folders - think of it as less of a folder and more like a Parent Folder for Folders
23:26<Lantizia>OK I'll put it this way... get Thunderbird to connect via IMAP to exchange, gmail, 1&1's e-mail server etc... and the Sent/Draft/etc folders are along side Inbox
23:26<interbird>my gmail-inbox also stores a filesystem -- oops -- should not have said that...
23:26<Lantizia>With courier they are inside Inbox
23:26<Lantizia>So from that perspective (wether it's stored like that or not) how does Dovecot do it?
23:27<jhutchins_lt>Lantizia: There's more than one way to do it, but it's MUCH easier to stick to the defaults.
23:27<dbldtx>Interbird; I have Windows 7 but have never installed it, want it?. My card works now, before the fix I'm implementing. You "Go buy something..." I am not burning you, Mr. Ingenious.
23:27<Lantizia>jhujhiti, Well I'm thinking of swapping from courier to dovecot anyway... so if dovecot "displays" (i know it's not the right term) it the more saner way... then it's an added avantage
23:27<interbird>why would a want shit on my bread if i can have cheese ?
23:28<jhutchins_lt>Lantizia: Some clients don't understand altearnate arrangements.
23:28<Lantizia>jhutchins_lt, name one! :)
23:28<smv>interbird, forgive me, but "nv is an Xorg driver for NVIDIA video cards" is what i read in the nv man. i don't really see the difference bethwen nv and nouveau as a user, i mean from what they both do in the end, but while i read i see the difference only in how they are made. though, nouveau is not yet ready to replace nvidia driver, and ya, i feel the same about nvidia as you do.
23:29<jhutchins_lt>Some don't like subfolders, don't handle them gracefully.
23:29<Lantizia>jhutchins_lt, ah so your saying it's better to do it the way courier doesn't do it as default
23:30<jhutchins_lt>Just sayin' that messing with it will cause complications.
23:30<scientes>qq-, and poulsbo
23:30<interbird>smv: well, can you run a thing like compiz on the nv driver? and can compiz run on nouveau ? there's a difference...
23:30<Lantizia>a) Not messing with anything b) You're saying the opposite of what you just said
23:30<Lantizia>Lets go back to the start
23:30<Lantizia>Hey, I'm currently using courier-imap and all my mailbox folders are subfolders of Inbox... does anyone know if Dovecot does it that way too?
23:30<Lantizia>Yes/No
23:31<smv>interbird, can compiz run on nouveau?
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23:31<dbldtx>smv; Nope.
23:31<interbird>yes
23:31<interbird>yes
23:31<dbldtx>interbird; Doesn't compiz need native 3D acceleration?
23:31<smv>alst time i checked X didn;t even started, and that was like les than half year
23:31<smv>*last
23:31<Lantizia>So if what jhutchins_lt says is true and the subfolders thing doesn't work with some clients... It would be better if the defaults for both courier and dovecot was to NOT to that
23:31<interbird>yes
23:32<Lantizia>I hope one of those yesses was for me
23:32<dbldtx>No
23:32<interbird>nope
23:32<dbldtx>:)
23:32<interbird>:-)
23:32<Lantizia>How is it possible I'm more confused now than before
23:33<interbird>just because...
23:33<Lantizia>I can see the truth
23:33<Lantizia>None of you have a fucking clue
23:33<scientes>smv, nouveau works, just not 3d, no opengl at all
23:33<interbird>if you don't want to get confused, just sign-off :-)
23:34<smv>scientes, and so no compiz. and so not as interbird sais.
23:34<dbldtx>scientes; thank you.
23:34<dbldtx>smv; thank you.
23:34<dbldtx>interbird; thank you
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23:36<interbird>are you sure you don't have the nv driver loaded ?
23:38<dbldtx>interbird; I hope you're not talking to me.
23:38<smv>interbird, you asking me? dead sure. it's nvidia in xorg.conf cus i want compiz to work. if you tell me how to make compiz to work with noveau i ditch nvidia right away.
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23:41<interbird>svm: i'm not on nvidia hardware myself so i cannot go for instant-check; but i installed on friend-machine with nvidia card; nouveau is active as far as i know, but i will double-check that. you make me doubt... (to be continued...)
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23:44<dbldtx>interbird; been telling you since I quoted their website, "Any 3D functionality that might exist is still unsupported. Do not ask for instructions to try it. But you can read GalliumHowto in case you are brave enough.", that you're wrong. Apologies for re-iterating.
23:45<burst>how do i add more virtual consoles? four just is not enough :/
23:45<smv>edit /etc/inittab
23:46<jhutchins_lt>burst: Well, virtual consoles are in inittab, and the default is six, so you're probably looking for desktops in X, right-clickl, configure desktop.
23:47<dbldtx>Whoo-hoo! Dist-upgrade and I'm done! Debian's a shit-storm of fun!
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23:48<burst>jhutchins_lt: nah i meant consoles, already knew how in X
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23:49<jhutchins_lt>burst: Ok, you're gonna bump into X at some point, which may be interesting. Or not.
23:50<smv>burst, just leave the 7th one alone, just in case you ever use X
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23:51<nullspace>how do i change my terminal font?
23:51<nullspace>not like in xorg on a terminal emulator but like my REAL terminal
23:51<interbird>dbldtx: spanish but read the line under the cube-picture. http://dmolinap.blogspot.com/2010/04/compiz-nouveau-en-lucid-lynx-beta2.html
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23:52<burst>nullspace: setterm
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23:54<nullspace>burst: sweet, and i can change the size with this?
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23:54<sergio>hey
23:54<burst>nullspace: or you can edit xvesa's conf
23:54<sergio>hello
23:54<sergio>:p
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23:54<nullspace>burst: well i imagine i can use setterm to figure out how i want it then use xvesa to make it static that way yes?
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23:56<nullspace>burst: i cant seem to find anything in the setterm man page on setting the font or size
23:56<nullspace>just other options
23:56<burst>nullspace: i guess, might wanna wait for someone more knowledgable than myself to hlp youu
23:57<burst>nullspace: i normally use X
23:58<nullspace>heh ditto
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23:59<burst>nullspace: hey but if you find anything let me know too
23:59<nullspace>heh ok
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