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---Logopened Mon Jun 28 00:00:27 2010
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00:05<Silicium01>Any tips on buying a compatible laptop for a Debian?
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00:07<jpinx>Silicium01: there's a linux4laptops website somewhere - google it
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00:12<Guest1338>when will the 5.0.5 isos be available for download?
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00:13<Guest1338>khello???
00:13<old>Guest1338: Now.
00:14<Guest1338>where can i get them? i didnt c them on ftp
00:15<old>Guest1338: Do you have jigdo?
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00:15<Guest1338>nope.
00:15<Guest1338>only ftp/http
00:15<old>Guest1338: Bittorrent?
00:15<Guest1338>nope
00:16<Guest1338>are the images there?
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00:17<old>Guest1338: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.5/amd64/iso-cd/ Replace amd64 with your architecture.
00:17<Guest1338>thanks
00:17<old>Guest1338: ... or just browse two levels up.
00:18<Guest1338>yeah yeah, 10x
00:20<Guest1338>30+ cds? are you guys nuts?
00:21<jpinx>Guest1338: why not do a net upgrade with aptitude ?
00:22<Guest1338>yeah, ill do something. anyway, what do u guys pack into 30 cds? a movie library?
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00:23<dkr>just 19,000 or so pieces of software
00:24<old>dkr: 25000+ according to homepage.
00:24<jpinx>Guest1338: you can always do the upgrade on your own system and then make a live CD of it
00:24<old>Guest1338: You only need the first one.
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00:24<Guest1338>ok, thanks
00:25<old>Guest1338: Or even better get a netinst.
00:25<dkr>old: well, some of them are slpit up into multiple packages, heh. :) 25k packages
00:25<old>dkr: And that's just stable. I think there are more in unstable.
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00:28<dkr>battle for wesnoth is a pretty nifty game for free. just played my first campaign. I lag slightly behind cutting edge gaming, hah, I also started nethack a couple months ago
00:29<dkr>btw, wesnoth was 18 packages, heh
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01:07<NCommander>dkr: nethack will steal your soul (and its helpful to play it on a public server since then you can get bone files)
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01:11<Jhiaxuss>hi
01:11<Jhiaxuss>anyone alive
01:11<jmarsden>!anyone
01:11<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
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01:12<Jhiaxuss>I have a question im new to linux and im stuck between fedora and debian
01:13<Jhiaxuss>people say fedora is more securecan i get debian as secure as fedora
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01:15<jmarsden>!why debian
01:15<dpkg>Debian strives to maintain your freedom whilst also paying close attention to the technical aspects of making a great OS. Debian is stable, upgradable and well tested. See also http://www.debian.org/intro/free http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ (archived at http://wiki.debian.org/WhyDebian). As an added bonus, you get to ask questions in #debian.
01:15<simonrvn>seriously?
01:15<Jhiaxuss>?
01:18<Jhiaxuss>so debian and fedora are pretty much the same >
01:18<Jhiaxuss>?
01:19<jmarsden>Jhiaxuss: People here in #debian will tell you Debian is at least as secure as Fedora. People in other channels may tell you Fedora is wonderful. Pick one. You are unlikely to get good totally unbiased responses to distro comparison questions here. If you want to ask questions here, pick Debian :)
01:19<old>Jhiaxuss: Up to isomorphism. :P No, they're not the same.
01:20<Jhiaxuss>so can debian doevery thign fedora does
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01:20<muuli>hallo leute
01:20<jmarsden>!de
01:20<dpkg>Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de).
01:20<muuli>kann mir irgendjemand sagen warum ich nicht in der shell konsole nich mit: vi, editieren kann
01:21<old>Jhiaxuss: Google 'which linux', and you'll get some quizzes that may help you decide.
01:21<Jhiaxuss>thanks
01:21<simonrvn>Jhiaxuss: why couldn't it? they use all the same software. the differences are packaging, package maintainance, distribution of software and how to fetch and install it, and policies (missing a few here)
01:22<jmarsden>muuli: Nein. Hier spricht mann Englisch. Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de
01:22<Jhiaxuss>well all im really loking for is a secure system that can handle some programming and gaming
01:22<simonrvn>they can all do that. oh another difference is .deb vs. .rpm. i happen to think .debs are better.
01:23<Jhiaxuss>thanks
01:23<simonrvn>more easily handled in 99.999% of the time, whether or not you have dpkg handy
01:23<simonrvn>(bias showing yet? ;)
01:23<old>And there's also a rpm for Debian too, but didn't tried it.
01:24<Jhiaxuss>thats whats complicated abotu linux there areso many distros but they all do the same
01:24<jmarsden>Jhiaxuss: How secure your machine is is MUCH more dependent on the knowledge of the person configuring it, than on which distro you use.
01:24<simonrvn>not really. alien just converts them
01:24<simonrvn>and jmarsden gets the prize
01:25<Jhiaxuss>k
01:25<simonrvn>Jhiaxuss: it's not that complicated. it's like shopping for a computer. do your homework, research, etc.
01:25<Jhiaxuss>i was just told that fedora is the most secure
01:25<old>simonrvn: I've used alien for rpms before. It never failed me unless I forgot to pass --with-scripts (or similar).
01:25<Jhiaxuss>gotcha
01:25<simonrvn>by a fedore user, right? ;)
01:25<Jhiaxuss>nah an ubuntu user
01:26<simonrvn>heh
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01:28<Jhiaxuss>and so many distros are based off debian
01:28<Jhiaxuss>so i figured i would try this one
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01:31<simonrvn>i've been with debian since i started using linux-based os. i've tried some others, but i always came back to debian.
01:31<simonrvn>using a*
01:31<old>When I was choosing my distro I just install couple of them and played for a while. It was the package management that made me stick to Debian.
01:32<Jhiaxuss>i heard its the best for that maybe thats why so many people make distros from it
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01:35<old>Then when I've heard an opinion that Debian is for Hackers, I said "You mean Arch or Gentoo, aren't you?"
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01:39<Jhiaxuss>debian a hacker distro ?
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01:45<old>Jhiaxuss: Strange, huh? I don't even remember who said that. And Ubuntu - "Linux for Humans" - is based on Debian, so I think there's something wrong with this opinion.
01:45<Jhiaxuss>about to instal it on disk just need some ext 4 tutorials just read deb is more stable than fedora also
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01:46<helpme>hello any one can give me link to set newest and latest xen in debian
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01:49<helpme>now ubuntu is not for humans ,err is for humans lol lening to capitalism
01:50<astronut>helpme: http://wiki.debian.org/Xen
01:52<jpinx>,versions xen
01:52<judd>Sorry, no package named 'xen' was found.
01:53<helpme>thx astronut,but is sid xen packages alright to install in debian squeeze?
01:53<jpinx>hrmph - must be called something else
01:54<jpinx>,versions xen-hypervisor
01:54<judd>Sorry, no package named 'xen-hypervisor' was found.
01:54<helpme>apt-get update
01:54<helpme>which version of debian you are using judd
01:54<astronut>judd is a bot
01:55<helpme>haha
01:55<jpinx>helpme: judd is meant to report all versions
01:55<helpme>okay
01:55<jpinx>!xen
01:55<dpkg>Xen is an open source virtual machine monitor, allowing several guest operating systems to execute concurrently on the same system. Provides paravirtualization (requiring guest OSs to be modified/ported) and hardware-assisted virtualization (for running guests unmodified). For detailed help, see http://wiki.debian.org/Xen . #debian-xen on irc.oftc.net. See also <virtualization>.
01:55<astronut>.versions linux-image-2.6-xen-amd64
01:56*jpinx had a guest on xen - what a pita to maintain! :(
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01:57<helpme>headach ?jpinx
01:57<jpinx>I ended up with my guest running lenny on an etch host :/
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02:01<helpme>grab qemu-kvm,my oldmachine donot suppot VT lol
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02:08<m_jonas>hallo
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02:10<jpinx>kvm
02:10<jpinx>!kvm
02:10<dpkg>well, kvm is kernel virtual memory, or keyboard/video/mouse. Kernel-based Virtual Machine, packaged for Debian as kvm in Lenny, qemu-kvm in Squeeze; see http://wiki.debian.org/KVM for installation instructions. Also ask me about <xve>. http://www.linux-kvm.org/ #kvm on irc.freenode.net. See also <virtualization>.
02:11<jpinx>,versions kvm
02:11<judd>kvm -- etch-backports: 28-4~bpo.1; lenny: 72+dfsg-5~lenny5; lenny-security: 72+dfsg-5~lenny5; squeeze-security: 72+dfsg-5+squeeze1; experimental: 88+dfsg-3; lenny-backports: 1:0.12.4+dfsg-1~bpo50+1; sid: 1:0.12.4+dfsg-1; squeeze: 1:0.12.4+dfsg-1
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02:12<jpinx>helpme: kvm not do it for you?
02:14<helpme>i have no VT in processor
02:14<helpme>and ubuntu takes my human right to use xen
02:16<jpinx>helpme: virtualbox?
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02:17<helpme>yes good um but errr wants xen,butVW workstation is not free?
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02:17<jpinx>!virtualisation
02:17<dpkg>For resources concerning the use of Debian as a host for virtual computers, or as a guest within a virtual computer, see http://wiki.debian.org/SystemVirtualization . Also ask me about <hyper-v>, <kvm>, <linux-vserver>, <lxc>, <mol>, <openvz>, <pearpc>, <qemu>, <user mode linux>, <virtualbox>, <virtual pc>, <vmware>, <xen>, <xve>, <ksm>.
02:18<jpinx>helpme: there's your choices ↑↑↑
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02:20<helpme>tnx
02:20<helpme>autobot is working efficiently artificial IQ
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02:42<Cypris>im looking into installing debian unattended, i need to have a file that contained pressed information.. unfortunatly its manually edited. is there a way to get this file generated by my installation, or is it able to be grabbed during debian 's installation process?
02:43<chomwitt_>in upgrading my testing system i get a message from linux-base about 'updating device IDs'.I have SATA disks . What should i do ?
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03:22<jerryclunsford>my cd rom longer mounts volumes when cd is inserted. I tried to mount in terminal window and got the error, unable to resolve host debian2 /etc/sudoers is owned by gid 1003, should be 0.
03:24<jpinx>jerryclunsford: sounds like you need to edit sudoers - use visudo as root
03:24<jpinx>jerryclunsford: did you edit it by some other means before?
03:24<jerryclunsford>I had tried to get bastille to work
03:25<jpinx>!bastille
03:25<dpkg>Bastille Unix is an interactive hardening script for the Linux operating system, packaged for Debian. http://www.bastille-unix.org/ Also ask me about <security> and <securing debian>.
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03:25<jpinx>jerryclunsford: what did you do thqt broke it?
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03:26<jerryclunsford>Don't know Don't know much about linux just starting to learn really.
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03:26<jpinx>jerryclunsford: how did you install bastille then?
03:28<jerryclunsford>down loaded from debian website and used gdeb package manager to install.
03:28<jpinx>Eeeewwwww
03:29<jerryclunsford>got to learn some how.
03:29<jpinx>jerryclunsford: use aptitude to install stuff
03:29<jpinx>or synaptic if you are using a gui
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03:29<jpinx>jerryclunsford: sure - you learn as you go :)
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03:31<jerryclunsford>now the sudoers file I can paste it to a bin so you take a look at it
03:32<jpinx>jerryclunsford: use visudo to edit it -- do not just nano it
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03:36<jerryclunsford>I need to now how to edit it looks ok to me there are only two lines that aren't commented out , defaults env_reset and root all=(all) all
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03:37<jpinx>jerryclunsford: then save it
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03:38<jerryclunsford>That is the way it was to start with
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03:40<jmm_>hi.
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03:41<jpinx>jerryclunsford: now do la -l /etc/sudoer* and see who owns it and the permissions
03:41<jpinx>sorry that is ls -l ..
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03:43<jerryclunsford> output is -r--r----- 1 root root 481 2010-03-10 02:18 /etc/sudoers
03:44<jpinx>jerryclunsford: good - now try your command again
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03:45<jerryclunsford>same error
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03:45<s_i_m>jerryclunsford, what was the error, btw? (just came in)
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03:46<jpinx>jerryclunsford: you can see youreself that /etc/sudoers is owned by root, so the application you are running is doing something odd
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03:47<jerryclunsford>unable to resolve host debian2 /etc/sudoers owned by gid 1003, shoould be 0
03:48<s_i_m>and what was the command that produced it&
03:48<s_i_m>?
03:48<jerryclunsford>I am trying to mount it from a root terminal window with the command mount -t iso9660 /dev/hdb /cdrom
03:48<jpinx>jerryclunsford: are you root?
03:49<jerryclunsford>sorry left out the sudo off before mount
03:49<jmm_>I got some problems with a debian lenny server, there are lots of process running, and I've got a hardware error (? ) in kern.log, can somebody help me please ? here is the error message, and the logs : http://pastebin.ca/1890948
03:51<jerryclunsford>when i try to mount from the computer icon on the desktop it says must be superuser to mount
03:51<jpinx>jerryclunsford: try the command after you su
03:53<cthuluh>jmm_: OVH server?
03:53<jerryclunsford>ok got something different mount: special device /dev/hdb does not exist
03:54<jerryclunsford>so must be in the command I got it off of linux .org so must need some tweeking
03:54<jmm_>cthuluh: yes.
03:54<jpinx>jerryclunsford: normally a cdrom device is mounted automatically at boot time
03:54<cthuluh>jmm_: don't worry about the number of processes, it's perfectly normal
03:54<cthuluh>jmm_: the main part of them are kernel threads
03:54<jmm_>cthuluh: but it used to lower than that.
03:55<jpinx>jerryclunsford: what exactly are you trying to mount and where and why?
03:55<s_i_m>jerryclunsford, try replacing /dev/hdb -> /dev/cdrom
03:56<cthuluh>jmm_: perhaps. but your problem is with your RAID, now
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03:57<jerryclunsford>i am trying to get my dvd/cdrom/cdrw drive to work it doesn't automaticlly mount discs on insertion and I can not mount them manually
03:57<jmm_>cthuluh: allright, that the error from kernel.log ? :\
03:58<cthuluh>jmm_: yes, the first part of your paste
03:58<jerryclunsford>I would like get them to mount on insertion like it used to
03:58<cthuluh>jerryclunsford: your desktop environment might help you
03:59<s_i_m>jerryclunsford, are you on stable or testing?
03:59<jerryclunsford>Lenny amd 64 stable
03:59<jmm_>cthuluh: I see, I guess it's hardware related, so I can do nothing exept deal with ovh for a replacement ?
04:00<jerryclunsford>sorry should have given that earlier
04:00<cthuluh>jmm_: see whether there is a new version of lsutil that fixes this bug. but be careful
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04:01<jmm_>cthuluh: roger, thanks for your help !
04:02<s_i_m>jerryclunsford, you must have a cdrom line in /etc/fstab. what does it say?
04:03<cthuluh>jmm_: you're welcome. OVH says that it's a problem between the kernel and RTM (whatever that means). not sure if I believe them...
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04:03<jmm_>cthuluh: I found that information in a forum, but I don't run stupid rtm.
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04:04<jerryclunsford> fstab /dev/hda /media/cdrom0 udf,iso9660 user,noauto 0 0
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04:05<s_i_m>jerryclunsford, then just "mount /cdrom" should be enough.
04:05<jerryclunsford>now what would happen if I change that noauto to auto
04:05<s_i_m>do not do that
04:05<cthuluh>it would try to mount it at reboot
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04:06<jerryclunsford>ok I was just hopping it would make it boot on insertion of media
04:07<s_i_m>your desktop env should do that out of the box
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04:08<s_i_m>using HAL and other stuff
04:08<jerryclunsford>it did at one time
04:08<s_i_m>what is your desktop env?
04:09<jerryclunsford>gnome
04:10<jerryclunsford>ok I got the crom mounted manually with the mount /cdrom command
04:10<s_i_m>okay, so can you mount a CD with this command as root: "mount /dev/hda" ?
04:11<s_i_m>ah, i see
04:11<s_i_m>i did not notice your last message
04:11<s_i_m>so, the problem is with gnome.
04:12<jerryclunsford>or my user permissions
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04:14<s_i_m>jerryclunsford, i do not think so. gnome on lenny uses dbus and hal to mount cdroms, that efectively solves the problem of root permissions
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04:22<Guest1356>Estimate when this will be corrected? : debian-505-i386-CD-1.iso.torrent ERROR: rejected by tracker - Requested download is not authorized for use with this tracker.
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04:27<jerryclunsford>ok maybe i'm thick but dbus and hal power managment programs. Gnome uses them to mount cdroms??
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04:31<simonrvn>!hal
04:31<dpkg>HAL (Hardware Abstraction Layer) is <freedesktop.org> project, which gives desktop software a programmatic way to examine present hardware and be notified of its changes. http://wiki.debian.org/hal http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/InputHotplugGuide http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/HalFAQ http://hal.freedesktop.org/ #hal on irc.freenode.net. Deprecated, see <devicekit> and http://wiki.debian.org/HALRemoval
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04:31<jerryclunsford>Thanks simonrvn
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04:33<jerryclunsford>I must step out for a moment.
04:35<cerpintaxt>my hdd is not recognized during installation, how can i find out which module is the right one?
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04:50<anton>Помогите разобраться Tv.Поставил Debian5.0r3lenny и перестал показывать ТВтюнер.TVtime выдает Невозможно произвести захват видео.
04:50<anton>Отображение невозможно с текущими параметрами модуля. Поэкспериментируйте с опциями модуля V4L2.
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04:51<jmarsden>!ru
04:51<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net. or use English here.
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04:58<jerryclunsford>ok I hate to ask, but when I try to read manuals I eyes start to glaze over. where in hal can find out what is wrong with the auto mount for cdrom I can't nount floppies becoming a super user either.
04:59<jerryclunsford>that should be I can not mount floppies either with becoming superuser.
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05:01<jerryclunsford>well thank you for help I can now at least manually mount the drives. good night
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05:33<cmot>Yodel! Is a "resize2fs" to 750G followed by "lvresize" to 750G safe for shrinking a filesystem? Or is there a risk that the two tools resize to different values where resize2fs will use a bigger value?
05:35<jileen>who know sed well ?
05:35<jmm_>jileen: don't ask to ask, just ask.
05:36<jmm_>hi btw :)
05:36<jileen>hi :)
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05:37<jileen>how to extrac link (<a href= XXX> the xxxx value) with sed, my html is in a file
05:37<jileen>all the link of a file
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05:37<cmot>jileen: main problem: what if "<a html=" is on a line and the link itself is on a 2dn line?
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05:38<cmot>If you're sure that never happens, it's possible, else it gets complicated
05:38<jmm_>cmot: it's possible to change IFS for that, I believe.
05:38<cmot>Hmm. might work. Not sure if sed respects IFS
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05:39<jileen>not sure, i dont write the html file
05:39<cmot>jileen: then probably better use some sort of html parser
05:39<jileen>thx
05:39<cmot>(there probably are such scripts around already)
05:40<jileen>find none on google :(
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05:40<cmot>jileen: http://www.perlmonks.org/?node_id=426309
05:41<jileen>i will use python to parse mt file
05:41<jileen>thx
05:41<jmm_>jileen: I'd use perl coz it rox.
05:41<jmm_>but still sed can do it, like !
05:41<jmm_> sed 's,<a href=\(.*\)>,my link is \1,g'
05:41<aretrfre34>hi, i set on this pc 192.168.0.2 for eth1(wifi) and on client 192.168.0.10 ip and route 192.168.0.1 however they can't ping each other, help
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05:41<aretrfre34>sorry it's 192.168.0.2 route
05:42<jileen>i think it will be more easy in python no?
05:42<cmot>jmm_: yes, with the disclaimer that it's not reliable.
05:43<cmot>jmm_: what about "<a id="blah" href="...">" style of things? Etc.
05:43<jmm_>jileen: I guess not, perl is very cool to deal with text stuff.
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05:43<aretrfre34>is it necessary to set mask in route also?
05:43<jileen>dont know perl
05:43<jileen>i only know python, C,c++ and php
05:43<jmm_>cmot: that sed line is just a trough, I guess it can be better.
05:43<jmm_>jileen: that nice already !
05:44<aretrfre34>!jileen help
05:44<jileen>kak thx
05:44<jileen>haha*
05:45<aretrfre34>if ping client says From 192.168.0.2 icmp_seq=1 Destination Host Unreachable
05:46<jileen>now on my ubuntu i use openbox, openbox is awesome with the rc.xml file
05:46<aretrfre34>jileen:it's awesome, would be more if possible to share inet
05:47<jileen>what is inet ?
05:47<aretrfre34>jileen:the WAN
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05:47<aretrfre34>jileen:or Internet
05:48<jileen>ha ok
05:48<dbldtx>jileen; also a stock ticker
05:48<jileen>sorry english is not my native language
05:48<jileen>so somme time i dont understand :)
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05:49<aretrfre34>help me, that's basic thing to set to pcs ping each other
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05:50<jileen>@<aretrfre34> you need help on what?
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05:51<aretrfre34>jileen:share WAN of pc1 to pc2, but for begin with to them each other
05:51<aretrfre34>jileen:sorry, make 'em ping each other
05:51<aretrfre34>jileen:it's a very confusing stuff networking
05:51<jileen>the both are on the same lan ?
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05:52<aretrfre34>jileen:on the same wlan
05:52<jmm_>aretrfre34: both are wireless ?
05:52<jileen>like me
05:52<aretrfre34>jileen:yes
05:52<jileen>and i have no problem to ping
05:53<aretrfre34>jmm_:yes
05:53<jmm_>aretrfre34: so you have some router between those ?
05:53<aretrfre34>jmm_:no router
05:53<jileen>yes i use a internet box for my adsl
05:53<aretrfre34>jileen:me not
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05:53<jmm_>aretrfre34: so direct connection, did you setup one as AP ?
05:54<aretrfre34>jmm_:whatis AP?
05:54<jmm_>access point.
05:54<jileen>never try direct connection with WLAN
05:54<aretrfre34>jmm_:yep they call it `ad-hoc'
05:54<aretrfre34>jileen:why
05:55<jileen>because i allways used my ADSL box
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05:55<jileen>but is a good idea to synchro 2 pc
05:57<aretrfre34>jileen:i wouldnt try if it wasn't
05:58<jileen>i'm looking on google to try to find a solution
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05:58<aretrfre34>jileen:that's also good idea
05:58<jileen>:)
05:59<jileen>i think someone allready try to do that
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06:04<jileen>@ <aretrfre34> get a look there: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/WiFiHowTo may be a clue
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06:06<jileen>@<aretrfre34> or you can use your pc to run like a router with : https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Router
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06:13<helpme>hello
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06:14<jakob>helpme: hello
06:14<helpme>any one can tell me correct enntry in grub
06:15<helpme>i had installed xen but its not shown in grub menu
06:15<helpme>only initrd and linux is shown without hypervisor
06:15<helpme>hi jakob
06:15<helpme>how to correct this
06:16<helpme>### BEGIN /etc/grub.d/10_linux ###
06:16<helpme>menuentry "Debian GNU/Linux, with Linux 2.6.32-5-xen-686" --class debian --class gnu-linux --class gnu --class os {
06:16<helpme> insmod ext2
06:16<helpme> set root='(hd0,3)'
06:16<helpme> search --no-floppy --fs-uuid --set de495f38-66be-4bae-b3d8-28e70c33d046
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06:18<jakob>helpme: did you try update-grub after the installation of xen
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06:33<aretrfre34>jileen:tried, not works
06:34<aretrfre34>jileen:no pinging
06:34<simula67>i am using debian squeeze and all my video players except totem plays black and white cropped video (Screenshot: http://dropointftp.t35.com/vlc.png)... can anyone help me?
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06:38<jileen>@<aretrfre34> even if you use your linux like a router ?
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06:38<jileen> @<aretrfre34> : with https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Router
06:38<aretrfre34>jileen:yep
06:39<jileen>:(
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06:39<twb>Does bash-completion 1.2 still have the same ridiculous two-second load time of 1.1?
06:39<abrotman>try it and see
06:39<jileen>tis evening i will try with Two pc without my internet box
06:39<jileen>this*
06:40<abrotman>twb: that'd probably be hardware dependent don't you think?
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06:42<twb>abrotman: well, bash-completion-lib had on-demand loading of completion modules
06:42<abrotman>my 486 would take longer than your P4 .. just try it
06:42<twb>It was removed from the archive for causing data loss, and we were promised that bash-completion would have that functionality Real Soon Now
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06:43<twb>abrotman: fair enough.
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06:51<twb>bash -c 'time . /etc/bash_completion' ==> real 0m1.332s :-(
06:51<twb># bash -c 'time . /etc/bash_completion_lib/bash_completion_lib' ==> real 0m0.209s
06:52<Na5Ut4>hello. can someone help me please: error: the symbol `grub_fs_list' not found, try chroot and grub-install /dev/sda, but nothing. help me please
06:52<twb>So it definitely isn't all on-demandified yet.
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06:53<aretrfre34>jileen:if i set as in help wireless-mode master instead of `ad-hoc' it gave me error:Error for wireless request "Set Mode" (8B06) :
06:53<aretrfre34> SET failed on device eth1 ; Invalid argument.
06:54<aretrfre34>jileen:still no luck
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06:56<Na5Ut4>hello?nobody an idea?
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06:57<abrotman>Na5Ut4: you get thta error when you do what?
06:57<Na5Ut4>after d-u
06:57<raul>Hi there people I am trying to find out how to start proftpd from the command line, in fact I did not the installation so I will apreciate a lot any help because so far I tried several ways unsucessfully thanks in advance
06:57<Na5Ut4>d-u to sid
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06:58<twb>raul: http://mywiki.wooledge.org/FtpMustDie
06:58<abrotman>Na5Ut4: did you check the BTS?
06:58<Na5Ut4><abrotman> ähm, BTS?
06:58<abrotman>raul: it depends how it was installed, usually there is an init script in /etc/init.d/proftpd or something like that
06:59<abrotman>Na5Ut4: how do you end up on sid and not know what the Bug Tracking System is?
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06:59<Na5Ut4>oh, sorry, heard about it, but not in short form :-D
07:00<raul>twb: no ofense man but I have not seen any relation with my problem on this website
07:00<raul>abortman: Yes I tried but it is not working
07:00<abrotman>bugs.debian.org is not working ?
07:01<twb>raul: if you're trying to serve FTP, you have bigger problems than an FTPd not starting.
07:01<raul>abortman: /etc/init.d/proftpd I mean
07:01<abrotman>what about it is not working?
07:01<twb>abrotman: I bet he's running it as a non-privileged user.
07:02<abrotman>errors are helpful, use a pastebin
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07:03<raul>abortman: No way to execute sudo /etc/init.d/proftpd, I tried with service-admin proftpd restart (complaining of course that I do not have a GUI running) but when I take a look with ps aux | grep proftpd it looks ready for connections, then I try and ftp client complains about server shuted down
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07:06<abrotman>raul: use 'su' become root, try again, pastebin the error
07:06<raul>SORRY since I killed the process manualy there is no proftpd process running, even after service-admin proftpd start command
07:06<raul>abortman I will do si
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07:10<raul>abortman: tujuca08:/# /etc/init.d/proftpd start
07:10<raul>-bash: /etc/init.d/proftpd: El fitxer o directori no existeix
07:10<raul>tujuca08:/# services-admin proftpd start
07:10<raul>(services-admin:24300): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display:
07:10<raul>tujuca08:/# ps aux | grep proftpd
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07:10<abrotman>paste.debian.net
07:10<abrotman>it's telling you that script doesn't exist ?
07:11<abrotman>raul: dpkg -l "prof*"
07:11<raul>abortman: http://pastebin.com/43Jth76y
07:11<twb>Apparently services-admin is a GNOME GUI wrapper around update-rc.d(8).
07:11<twb>raul: I don't think services-admin is the right thing.
07:11<raul>sorry several clìpboards and diferents OS drives me crazy :P
07:12<raul>twb: honestly I do not know it before and still having not a clear idea about it
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07:20<idebug__> Anyone know why domains ending with '.local' under Debian Lenny (and the latest Ubuntu) no longer resolve? I know it's generally used for ZeroConf, but still DIG is able to query correctly, but you can't ping it.
07:20<idebug__>Is this perhaps a bug?
07:21<twb>.local is resolved for mdns
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07:21<twb>Er, *reserved*
07:21<twb>Stupid predictive text...
07:21<idebug__>on debian etch, works fine and the same for os x and windows 7
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07:21<twb>I have no experience with mdns, so I can't help more than that
07:22<idebug__>ok. thanks tho.
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07:24<raul>twb: I modfied de configuration file in order to avoid IPV6 problems and I just started it uisn sudo proftpd command
07:25<raul>then I tried and I got this Connected to 192.168.231.34.
07:25<raul>500 FTP server shut down (going down at Thu Jun 10 13:35:09 2010) -- please try again later
07:25<raul>ftp>
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07:26<twb>raul: I don't know why you're asking me, when you already ignored my advise to stop using FTP.
07:27<raul>twb: sorry but in business enviroments the it guy sometimes does not have the rights to decide from himself and you have to do what your boss order you to do I know that I would prefer sftp under scponlyc and so on
07:28<raul>but that my problem what I would like to solve and no ethical or professional thinking
07:29<twb>Did you explain to your boss that using FTP is dumb, insecure, and probably going to cost the company more to clean up long-term than HTTP and SFTP would cost to deploy up-front?
07:29<raul>anyway sorry for bother you
07:29<twb>No worries
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07:33<cthuluh>twb: of course they are hacks, but there are solutions for problems described in greycat's rant. most ftp daemons let you limit the range of data ports (say, 6000-7000), which makes them suitable, even behind a NAT. and there are TLS-protected solutions too
07:33<jakob>e> menuentry "Debian GNU/Linux, with Linux 2.6.32-5-xen-686" --class debian --class gnu-linux --class gnu --class os {
07:33<jakob>12:16 < helpme> Iinsmod ext2
07:34<twb>cthuluh: granted
07:35<cthuluh>but I hate FTP too, hehe :)
07:35<twb>cthuluh: but FTP is still a fugly protocol and there's no TECHNICAL reason to keep it around, except perhaps to talk to legacy gear
07:35<bremner>but people who want ftp probably don't want TLS protected ftp
07:36<mohsen>hi,i have a problem with my dsl modem,i changed my modem IP after that when i turn on my modem debian don`t know my network.
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07:37<mohsen>anybody know,what can i do?
07:38<abrotman>twb: i understand his pain .. i have to deal with people that are not technical that have to upload large files... trying to explain that IE can't do it .. good luck
07:38<twb>You hand them winscp or filezilla or whatever, and make it talk SFTP
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07:39<twb>I grant that won't always suit, but that's my default approach
07:39<abrotman>twb: you're talking about people that don't understand how to unzip a file
07:39<cthuluh>mohsen: you changed your modem's... internal ip?
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07:39<twb>abrotman: that's why they get and SOE. Or you send the windows flunkie to go out to their office and install filezilla and configure it for them
07:39<abrotman>twb: i really do understand what you're saying, but this would be like if your mechanic simply said "Oh yeah, just changing the transmission, not a biggie" :)
07:40<abrotman>twb: and they don't always have the ability to install stuff ..
07:40<twb>If they aren't allowed to install stuff, the *sysadmin* should be able to!
07:40<mohsen>cthuluh:no,with ifconfig i changed my computer IP
07:40<abrotman>twb: that person is not always on-site (and some of them are morons too)
07:42<twb>It's certainly true that I haven't had any direct contact with Windows for years...
07:42*abrotman would rather not :)
07:42<cthuluh>I never did
07:43<cthuluh>mohsen: what's the problem? did you change your computer's ip, your modem's internal ip, your modem's ppp connexion?
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07:43<cthuluh>if that's ppp, I can't help you
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07:45<cthuluh>mohsen: ok, so I have to guess. if you typed something like "ifconfig eth0 ...". now try "dhclient eth0"
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07:46<mohsen>cthuluh:when i turn on my modem,debian don`t know my network but before changing IP it`s work good,my modem work with lan very good
07:47<cthuluh>mohsen: so your computer is directly connected to the modem?
07:47<mohsen>cthuluh:yes
07:48<cthuluh>and you have no dhcp server?
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07:49<twb>By "modem" does he mean a dialup modem connected to Debian via a 9-pin serial line?
07:49<mohsen>my modem have a router and it give IP
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07:50<twb>Or does he mean more like "my combined ADSL modem/router/server appliance thingy"
07:50<cthuluh>that one, I think
07:50<twb>Blergh
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07:50<cthuluh>mohsen: so, did you try "dhclient eth0" ?
07:50<mohsen>twb:your talking with me?
07:50<cthuluh>twb: err, I hope
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07:50<twb>Those should be reflashed with something that doesn't suck so hard as vxworks :-/
07:51<sparky4>sigh
07:51<twb>mohsen: ignore me, I'm grumbling about guru stuff that you shouldn't listen to.
07:51<sparky4>I am here (again) because exim4 fails so i am useing postfix and dovecot again
07:51<sparky4>and postfix is being an asshat
07:51<sparky4>by not running at all
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07:52<twb>sparky4: and what have you tried so far?
07:52<sparky4>twb: postfix start
07:52<sparky4>nothing worked
07:52<sparky4>And i seriously need help
07:52<mohsen>yeh,that say: dhclient: command not found
07:52<sparky4>the mail logs are 100% blank
07:53<sparky4>boomboxcompy4:/home/sparky4# postfix status
07:53<sparky4>postfix/postfix-script: the Postfix mail system is not running
07:53<abrotman>sparky4: /etc/init.d/postfix start ?
07:53<sparky4>boomboxcompy4:/home/sparky4# /etc/init.d/postfix start
07:53<sparky4>Starting Postfix Mail Transport Agent: postfix.
07:53<sparky4>boomboxcompy4:/home/sparky4# /etc/init.d/postfix status
07:53<sparky4>postfix is not running.
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07:53<sparky4>ntohing ....
07:53<cthuluh>mohsen: su -c 'dhclient eth0'
07:54<twb>Woo!
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07:54<twb>webkit no longer forces me to install bloody Finnish spelling stuff
07:54<sparky4>sigh
07:54<twb>(I can spell, and in any case I'm not writing essays into a flipping browser, so I don't know why webkit's ./configure won't allow --without-enchant... :-/)
07:55<mohsen>the message is:" Internet Systems Consortium DHCP Client V3.1.1
07:55<mohsen>Copyright 2004-2008 Internet Systems Consortium.
07:55<mohsen>All rights reserved.
07:55<mohsen>For info, please visit http://www.isc.org/sw/dhcp/
07:55<mohsen>Listening on LPF/eth0/00:e0:18:4a:d6:11
07:55-!-mohsen was kicked from #debian by debhelper [use the paster bot or #flood]
07:55<cthuluh>...
07:55<cthuluh>life's hard
07:55<abrotman>sparky4: put a 'set -x' after the shebang in the initscript
07:56<jakob>sparky4: What says /var/log/messages /var/log/syslog during /etc/init.d/postfix start
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07:58<mohsen>cthuluh> now i connect with lan,but i need connect with usb port
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07:58<mohsen>cthuluh> can you saw my message?
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07:59<twb>!tell mohsen about pastebin
07:59<sparky4>ok wait
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08:00<sparky4>jakob: ?
08:00<sparky4>abrotman: ?
08:00<sparky4>jakob: during!?!?
08:00<cthuluh>mohsen: yes I can see it, but I can't help you with the USB stuff
08:00<abrotman>wait what?
08:00<abrotman>sparky4: put a 'set -x' after the shebang in the initscript
08:00<abrotman>then try again
08:01<sparky4>abrotman: where is that?
08:01<mohsen>thx a lot
08:01<abrotman>/etc/init.d/postfix ?
08:01<sparky4>ok
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08:01<cthuluh>or just run it with sh -x ...
08:01<twb>Ooh, Das U-Boot is available in Debian now
08:01<cthuluh>oh
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08:02<jakob>can you post the output tail -f /var/log/messages or /var/log/syslog during the start of the postfix server /etc/init.d/postfix start
08:02<josemari>hola
08:02<DionysOs>hi everoby
08:02<abrotman>!fr
08:02<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur irc.oftc.net. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.oftc.net.
08:02<josemari>de donde eres?
08:02<DionysOs>abrotman :@
08:02<abrotman>!es
08:02<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat
08:02<DionysOs>!en
08:02<dpkg>The language of #debian is English. We will do our best to help you regardless of your level of English but you might be more comfortable asking for help in your own language. Ask me about your language code for more information, for example /msg dpkg br ; /msg dpkg pt ; /msg dpkg es ; /msg dpkg fr ; /msg dpkg de
08:02<DionysOs>:D
08:02<josemari>hello
08:02<cthuluh>ha ha ha. DionysOs: vu!
08:03<josemari>whats your name?
08:03<DionysOs>abrotman i want to learn english !
08:03<abrotman>josemari: This is a support channel for Debian.
08:03<abrotman>DionysOs: that means watching, not talking
08:04<DionysOs>abrotman who you are
08:04<josemari>biebie
08:04<abrotman>DionysOs: this is not a social channel, do you have a Debian question?
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08:05<DionysOs>it is what deban ?
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08:05<cthuluh>DionysOs: /join #debian-offtopic
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08:07<sparky4>abrotman: what do I show you? I got a massive output
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08:07<cthuluh>pasting is cheap
08:07<abrotman>the last 10 lines or so in a pastebin is a good start
08:07<narva>Is it possible to emulate SSE2 with prosessor supporting just SSE?? I have AMD Athlon XP 2600+ on my Lenny with kernel 2.6.26-686
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08:09<narva>Does libatlas solve this problem?
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08:10<narva>anyone?
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08:11<sparky4>abrotman: http://pastebin.com/J2S6a9Bx
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08:13<koollman>narva: I don't think it's easily doable. Why are you trying this ?
08:14<narva>I'm hosting a tiny Counter-Strike Source server with my friends. Valve made an update which needs support for SSE2 and SSE isn't enough anymore :/
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08:15<koollman>narva: then, no. no idea of how to make it work effectively. a solution would be to go through an emulator, but that would make it really slow
08:15<abrotman>sparky4: what if you type /usr/sbin/postfix by tiself
08:15<narva>Yeah I though about that
08:16<koollman>(another solution would be to recompile without sse2. I guess valve won't let you do that ;) )
08:16<narva>They say the non-SSE2 version "is coming"
08:16<narva>So maybe not this year :D
08:16<narva>True
08:17<narva>But thx :
08:17<narva>:)
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08:17<sparky4>abrotman: right after #!/bin/sh -e
08:17<sparky4>abrotman: set -x
08:17<abrotman>no .. just on the command line
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08:18<cthuluh>sparky4: the answer is in the logs, anyway. read them, try to understand what went wrong.
08:19<sparky4>abrotman: ok
08:19<sparky4>cthuluh: the mail log is blank
08:19<cthuluh>and mail.err? syslog?
08:19<sparky4>where is syslog?
08:20<jakob>sparky4: so read the /var/log/messages and /var/log/syslog
08:20<cthuluh>in /var/log/
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08:20<sparky4>THE LOGS ARE EMPTY
08:21<jmm_>next question is, do you run a logger ? :)
08:21<sparky4>no
08:21<abrotman>he does ..
08:21<abrotman>sparky4: he doesn't mean a keylogger
08:22<sparky4>ok
08:22<narva>koollman: yep. Thx again :) heading to a pc store :D
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08:23<sparky4>sigh
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08:26<sparky4>this is depressing
08:27<BonZo>hello
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08:29<BonZo>when i installed this system for the first time i selected LXDE as DE. Now if i start tasksel and select "desktop environment" he tries again to install lxde. How can i change the DE to install through tasksel?
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08:29<abrotman>BonZo: it's probably easier just to use aptitude to install what you want directly
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08:30<BonZo>abrotman: yes, I know, but I'm curious to see what are the packages that this type of standard installation includes
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08:34<sparky4>boomboxcompy4:/etc/postfix# /etc/init.d/postfix status
08:34<sparky4>postfix is running.
08:34<sparky4>YES
08:34<sparky4>what I did was simple
08:34<sparky4>replace the old file with a notherone from another system
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08:34<sparky4>the config files
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08:36<sparky4>RCPT TO <sparky4@4ch.irc.su> failed: <sparky4@4ch.irc.su>: Relay access denied
08:36<sparky4>DAMN
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09:18<sparky4>I know My ISP blocks port 25
09:18<sparky4>so i use port 587
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09:22<sparky4>screw it!
09:22<sparky4>ill use port 25
09:22<sparky4>it worked before on Windows Me
09:22<sparky4>ok
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09:22<sparky4>5653A26A169 292 Mon Jun 28 08:20:07 root@4ch.irc.su
09:22<sparky4>(lost connection with 4ch.irc.su[76.107.246.139] while receiving the initial server greeting)
09:23<sparky4> sparky4@4ch.irc.su
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09:27<sparky4>stmp sucks
09:28<jmm_>you should try smtp, it works nice.
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09:52<jakob>yes
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09:52<jakob>i dont know if i can, lts hear
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10:21<jv>Hi! I cannot download the bittorrent amd64 isos. 404 Not Found.
10:22<old>jv: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.5/amd64/bt-cd/
10:22<old>jv: Links are still outdated...
10:23<jv>ah, was burning 5.0.4 yesterday. when was 5.0.4 released?
10:23<jv>sry, 5.0.5
10:23<jv>it worked yesterday...
10:23<old>jv: Saturday - two days ago.
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10:24<jv>what? the old hierarchy is removed?
10:24<@Ganneff>1if you have 5.0.4 you dont need 5.0.5 images
10:24<@Ganneff>waste of bandwidth.
10:24<old>jv: Maybe there were both r4 and r5 dirs for some time.
10:24<@Ganneff>install with 5.0.4, just upgrade
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10:24<jv>was burning the "latest" images, 5.0.4. have burned 1 and 2 so far...
10:24<jv>and apparently now i have to throw them away?
10:25<@Ganneff>no
10:25<@Ganneff>why the heck?
10:25<@Ganneff>its not that its all invalid on them just because there is another.
10:25<jv>they are no longer on debian.org it appears
10:25<@Ganneff>this is debian, not windows
10:25<old>jv: Ganneff is right, but if you really need up-to-date CDs use jigdo tu upgrade them.
10:25<@Ganneff>also, just the first cd/dvd is entirely enough to get a system installed
10:25<jv>Ganneff: please read my comments
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10:26<jv>i have already burned disk 1 and 2, and now they are suddenly off debian.org
10:26<@Ganneff>and?
10:26<@Ganneff>then you have them. have fun using them.
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10:26<jv>i'm looking for 3-5
10:26<jv>1 and 2 are already burned
10:26<@Ganneff>you dont need them.
10:26<@Ganneff>its a bandwidth waste
10:26<jv>you don't know that
10:26<old>jv: What for? You probably need only the first one.
10:26<@Ganneff>unless you are off to a really really offsite location and need the most weird packages available, you dont need them.
10:27<jv>i need them. i will move onto a sailboat without internet access
10:27<jv>please believe me when i say i will need them
10:27*jordanm would have got the DVD set in that case
10:27<old>! tell jv about jigdo
10:27<cthuluh>or bittorrent
10:28<@Ganneff>http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.4/
10:28<@Ganneff>there. all fine.
10:28<old>jv: Jigdo will be usefull in this sitation.
10:28<jv>still can't see the point of rm -r the old hierarchy.
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10:28<@Ganneff>jv: guess you would see the point when having to host all this. its *huge* amount of space if we just keep all revs
10:28<jv>.torrent's are pretty small, right?
10:29<@Ganneff>you need the full files
10:29<old>Ganneff: I'll be working on a project which addresses that problem. ^^
10:29<jv>there are probably tons of seeders. at least there was tonight.
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10:30<old>jv: So grab the torrents from the site Ganneff gave you, and start downloading.
10:31<jv>will do, thanks
10:31<jv>i better hurry =)
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10:32<old>jv: Don't worry. If they vanish ask me - I run a little archive of Debian torrents and jigdo files.
10:32<jv>cool
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10:34<old>jv: And there is also an official one of course.
10:34<LuisV>dobridem tovarich [_]P
10:34<old>!tell jv about archive
10:34<jv>okay, well since i was just grabbing the torrents i must say i was quite surprized when they suddenly disappeared from debian.org
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10:35<lightbringer>evening to all
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10:36<jv>thanks everyone
10:36<lightbringer>I started studying C, and I have an excersise that I don't understand
10:37<lightbringer>can anybody here help me?
10:37<bartm>!tell lightbringer about ask
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11:37<LuisV>hi guys, how to upgrade pidgin?
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11:37<jmm_>hi Luis.
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11:38<LuisV>I got that error "our protocol is not supported by the server"
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11:39<jmm_>to upgrade pidgin, you shoud do aptitude update; aptitude install pidgin
11:39<jmm_>but I dunno if it will fix your problem.
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11:43<LuisV><jmm_> but I already had pidgin installed
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11:44<LuisV><jmm_> my installed version is 2.4.3
11:44<bartm>LuisV: should be 2.4.3-4lenny7
11:45<LuisV>they said that the problem is fixed with a newer version
11:45<bartm>so upgrade like jmm_ explained
11:45<LuisV>ok
11:45<LuisV>thanks
11:45<bartm>aptitude update; aptitude install pidgin
11:46<LuisV>must be "sudo" comand?
11:47<bartm>LuisV: yes, or login as root
11:47<jmm_>LuisV: yes.
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11:47<LuisV>ok guys thanks for you help
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11:53<BonZo>when i installed this system for the first time i selected LXDE as DE. Now if i start tasksel and select "desktop environment" he tries again to install lxde. How can i change the DE to install through tasksel?
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12:38<Tecna>Attempting to mount my SD card: "Unable to mount media. There is probably no media in the drive." When I try to open gparted to see if it can read the partitions, it hangs while scanning the drives.
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12:38<jpinx-eeepc>Tecna: what does fdisk -l show you?
12:39<gsimmons>BonZo: Change the value of tasksel/desktop in the debconf database from "lxde". If you're just after the respective package names (e.g. gnome): (tasksel --task-packages desktop ; tasksel --task-packages gnome-desktop) | sort -u
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12:40<Tecna>jpinx-eeepc: http://pastebin.com/j47YxEJ2
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12:41<Tecna>None of those devs is the SD card. It's formatted FAT32
12:41<jpinx-eeepc>Tecna: is it plugged in properly?
12:43<Tecna>jpinx-eeepc: lol tech support. Yes, it's plugged in properly. The hardware even shows that it recognizes its presence with a status light.
12:43<jpinx-eeepc>tecna unplug it, wait 1 minute, replug it and do "dmesg" and paste it
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12:46<Tecna>jpinx-eeepc: btw, I was able to mount a different card a few days ago(which since I haven't installed any packages nor changed any configuration other than adding a printer, which also has a card reader.), and the printer is able to read the card.
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12:47<Tecna>jpinx-eeepc: brb
12:47<BonZo>gsimmons: I'm not sure I understand what you wrote but I'll try, thanks
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12:54<Jou>Hi all.
12:55<Jou> I changed my system (including root) to RAID1, everything is fine and work (for over a year now). But apt-get update/upgrade changes my grub/menu.lst every time back to root=/dev/sda1 rendering the system unbootable. Where does debian store the info to change the correct root=/dev/md0 to /dev/sda1 without asking and checking?
12:55<Tecna>jpinx-eeepc: This looks relevant: http://pastebin.com/Fx72ZxKW Ignore the ACPI error. I'm fixing that now.
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12:55<burst_error>what do i need to remote desktop or something similar on a windows xp machine? my friend cant brain today they have the dumb and need my help.
12:56<burst_error>they have windoze
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12:57<Tecna>burst_error: Google gave me this: http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/linux-remote-desktop-for-controlling-windows-xp-desktop.html
12:57<burst_error>doesnt have to be a gui connect as long as i get on the box
12:57<jpinx-eeepc>Tecna: that looks like a b0rked SD card
12:58<jpinx-eeepc>burst_error: I told you earlier -- rdesktop
12:58<Tecna>jpinx-eeepc: It works in my printer and phone.
12:58<jpinx-eeepc>Tecna: then a borked reader ?
12:58<jpinx-eeepc>Tecna: can you try other cards in the same slot?
12:59<Tecna>jpinx-eeepc: It worked fine with a different card a few days ago. I'm about to dig up another card.
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12:59<retrospectacus>burst_error: yes rdesktop or setup VNC
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13:00<Tecna>jpinx-eeepc: Different card, same problems.
13:00<Tecna>I'll go find one more.
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13:00<burst_error>retrospectacus: i was tryin to walk them through vnc but gave up
13:01<burst_error>bbl
13:01<jpinx-eeepc>;)
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13:03<Tecna>jpinx-eeepc: 4 different cards, same thing. I'm going to try restarting. I hate restarting. brb
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13:07<Jou>Who knows what makes debian change menu.lst back to an over a year old config upon every apt-get upgrade?
13:08<dondelelcaro>Jou: put your menu.lst into a pastebin
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13:09<jordanm>update-grub generates menu.lst based on vmlinuz-VERSION in /boot
13:09<Tecna>jpinx-eeepc: It works after rebooting. FML
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13:10<Jou>dondelelcaro: If the line "# kopt=root=/dev/sda1 ro" used although a singe # is in front of it?
13:10<Jou>s/If/Is/
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13:13<dondelelcaro>Jou: yes
13:14<dondelelcaro>Jou: everything in the section ### BEGIN AUTOMAGIC KERNELS LIST ### END DEBIAN AUTOMAGIC KERNELS LIST is modified by Debian...
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13:14<Jou>The test confirmed it with # kopt=root=/dev/md0badwc ro - damn, this has been bugging me over a year now, and NOW I find the damn line.
13:14<dondelelcaro>(if you actually read menu.lst, it should become clear...)
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13:14<dondelelcaro>if you want a kernel that Debian doesn't modify, you don't stick it in that section
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13:15<Jou>IIt is just as it happens so often, by the time you ask over an old problem suddenly you see the solution...
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13:16<Jou>Thanks for confirming.
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13:18<dondelelcaro>np
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13:19<retrospectacus>the thought process of composing a detailed description of your problem will often reveal the solution
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13:24<BonZo>I wonder why the command `aptitude install xfce-desktop` installs qt4 libraries and vlc. wouldn't be more logical to install only programs based on gtk?
13:25<dondelelcaro>BonZo: because you asked for the desktop metapackage, it installs things that should be in that desktop, including recommendations
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13:26<BonZo>dondelelcaro: ok, but i think only gkt applications should be in that desktop
13:27<dondelelcaro>BonZo: why?
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13:27<BonZo>for optimization
13:28<dondelelcaro>BonZo: that's not a useful optimization; if there's a gtk equivalent of something which is using qt4, then that probably should be installed instead, but apparently there isn't
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13:28<BonZo>would be better if it installs totem (for example) instead of vlc
13:28<chealer>BonZo: it would be more optimal, not really more logical. vlc as a whole is not matched by players specific to one desktop environment.
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13:30<BonZo>I think that it is not worth installing qt4 libraries unless you use kde
13:30<dondelelcaro>there's tons of useful software which uses qt4 which isn't part of kde
13:31<dondelelcaro>but if you're really concerned about it, you can certainly not install things which use qt4
13:31<dondelelcaro>just don't select metapackages which decide things for you
13:31<BonZo>there's tons of useful software wich uses gtk too
13:32<dondelelcaro>sure, which is why libgtk is almost always installed too
13:33<BonZo>dondelelcaro: I know what to install to meet my requirements, I was just commenting on this fact
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13:45<DervishD>Can anyone help me get the headers for kernel 2.6.32-3-686? I'm trying to install virtualbox and kernel 2.6.32-5-686 is giving me problems with my display.
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13:46<dondelelcaro>DervishD: see snapshot.debian.org
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13:47<DervishD>@ dondelelcaro : I'll try that...
13:47<craigevil>DervishD: works just fine here running sid with 2.6.32-5
13:48<DervishD>@ craigevil : not here. I haven't looked into the problem because I'm lazy. I just wanna install vbox.
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14:02<dado>!me ok
14:02<dpkg>moi?
14:02*dado ok
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14:04<pino>greetings, i've got a question i want to ask
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14:05<pino>i am running two x-servers. there are applications, running at the first, :0
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14:06<pino>i'm switching to the second, :1, and doing:
14:06<pino>DISPLAY=:0 wmctrl -l
14:08<Gathond>jp.dk
14:08<Gathond>sorry, wrong window
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14:15<pino>sorry, lost carrier
14:16<pino>so, my vnc server starting ok, i can connect to it from another host and everything is ok
14:16<pino>howewer, if i am trying to connect from :1
14:16<pino>i am getting a lot of color artifacts or just a black-filled window
14:17<pino>controls works, but no adequate picture
14:17<pino>can you provide any suggestions?
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14:54<burst_error>having some problems downloading stable netinst getting a 404
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15:04<burst_error>can someone provide i direct dl link?
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15:09<lexiyntax>pino: Sounds like a problem with your vnc client software. Perhaps try another one?
15:09<Cadmium01>Guys, I'm planning to buy a laptop, any advice on what I should look for and look out for when choosing one?
15:09<Cadmium01>In terms of seamless compatibility with Debian
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15:14<dondelelcaro>Cadmium01: http://tuxmobil.org/ is where you can check
15:15<Cadmium01>dondelelcaro, thanks
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15:19<handheldcar>I installed Debian Lenny yesterday beside Windows XP, and although I can mount the previous partitions (there were a couple besides the OS) and see the files, I can't boot into Windows from Grub. I think the other two partitions were rescue partitions.
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15:27<jhutchins_lt>handheldcar: It would help to know what happens when you try to choose windows from the grub menu, or if that's not an option.
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15:29<handheldcar>When I choose Windows from Grub, Dell runs a GUI that checks the hardware.
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15:31<lexiyntax>pino: I've also seen some client software weirdness like that due to hardware acceleration problems. Might want to try an 'Option "NoAccel"
15:32<lexiyntax>pino: ' line in your Device section for that display.
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15:33<handheldcar>I think the deb installer made the Linux partition half a gigabyte larger, too.
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15:33<handheldcar>and put a boot flag on it. I moved the flag to the Linux part
15:34<handheldcar>didn't make a difference
15:34<hacman>handheldcar: Could it be, that grub addresses the rescue-partition auf the dell-computer, instead of sd/hd0,2 or something?!...
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15:37<jhutchins_lt>handheldcar: You probably have grub pointing at the dell utility partition instead of the windows partition.
15:37<hacman>in my opinion you could test it with: edit the grub (while running) with "e" over the "Windows-Entry" and increase the second number... then boot
15:37<hacman>without "the
15:37<jhutchins_lt>handheldcar: Boot flag needs to be on the windows partition.
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15:37<handheldcar>ok I'll do those things
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15:39<cesurasean1>"Error 15, partition table invalid or corrupt" - how do i go about fixing this issue?
15:39<cesurasean1>My computer goes to a point where it says GRUB, but will not boot. I've tried super grub boot disk, and it gives me the partition table it corrupt or invalid.
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15:43<Torsten_W>cesurasean1, this errormessage is wrong!
15:43<Torsten_W>15 : File not found
15:43<Torsten_W> This error is returned if the specified file name cannot be found, but everything else (like the disk/partition info) is OK.
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15:44<cesurasean1>perhaps it's the error message from grub boot disk
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15:48<lexiyntax>cesurasean1: If you have important data on there, step one is to use 'dd' to back it up to another volume before messing with it.
15:48<lexiyntax>cesurasean1: Then try http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/TestDisk
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15:53<cesurasean1>lexiyntax, how exactly do you burn a copy of test disk? it doesn't have any isos....
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15:56<lexiyntax>cesurasean1: Load the testdisk software on another computer and use the other computer to repair your drive.
15:56<handheldcar>y'all were right. thanks a lot :^]
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15:56<cthuluh>cesurasean1: or install SystemRescueCD on an usb flash drive. always useful
15:56<lexiyntax>cesurasean1: That method also makes it easier to back up before starting recovery by dd-ing to an image file on the recovery computer.
15:57<cesurasean1>what is SystemRescueCD?
15:57<cthuluh>it contains many tools, among them you can find TestDisk
15:57<cthuluh>which is a wonderful tool, btw
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16:06<mixalis>Hello, I am using Debian testing and I am trying to configuare iptables. I have create a script with firewall builder. Firewall builder have create 3 interfaces (inside, loopback, outeside) but my debian has 2 interface (loopback, outside). Do I must create a inside interface so the script works or I must delete it from the script?
16:08*ebrahim uses firehol for configuring iptables
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16:10<retrospectacus>mixalis: a box with inside/outside interfaces is a lot different than one with only outside.
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16:11<retrospectacus>but the answer is probably "no" - although the script may fail adding rules to interface that don't exist
16:12<mixalis>it is ok if i delete the inside interface from the script?
16:13<retrospectacus>it's ok with me ;)
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16:13<retrospectacus>pastebin it if you like
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16:26<mixalis>i have install fireholl and i type firehol start and i get this message "WARNING File '/etc/firehol/RESERVED_IPS' is more than 90 days old. You should update it to ensure proper operation of your firewall."
16:27<ebrahim>mixalis, I ran the tool provided by firehol, nothing changed, and then I ignored it totally, and firehol is working as I desire :)
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16:32<mixalis>ok. do you know where i can see the rules that firehol using when i start it?
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16:50<jileen>hi, how to hide status msg like quit, join to show only the user msg ?
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16:52<chealer>jileen: depends on your IRC client.
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16:56<jileen><chealer> thx i have found a checkbox to hide join/quit msg
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17:18<chocolat888>hi o/
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17:19<jakushevskij>Hello everybody! Where are russian people?
17:19<themill>!ru
17:19<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net. or use English here.
17:19<[XeN]>!de
17:19<dpkg>Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de).
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17:37<jakushevskij>Hello!!! please help implement virtualization 2 physical servers into one for Debian
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17:38<jakushevskij>somebode??
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17:39<retrospectacus>jakushevskij: I have done exactly that with openvz and heartbeat and drbd. However I'm not going to explain the whole process..
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17:39<retrospectacus>we only help with specific problems
17:40<jakushevskij>i want only find programms for it...
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17:41<jakushevskij>but its real?using 2 computers in one?
17:41<jakushevskij>I want to improve performance through their association
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17:44<jakushevskij>retrospectacus: openvz virtualization is based on the OS ....
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17:45<jakushevskij>retrospectacus: What do you think can I use openvz string any 2 computers for their performance?
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17:46<retrospectacus>jakushevskij: for reals! it does not increase performance though. Simply if one crashes, the other activates the running VMs instantly and there is 0 downtime of the virtual server(s)
17:46<retrospectacus> if one physical server crashes
17:47<jakushevskij>retrospectacus: Stability for me is very important, so that is what I need
17:47<retrospectacus>well it works very well in terms of hardware failure
17:47<jakushevskij>retrospectacus: so, i can use openvz for my idea?
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17:49<retrospectacus>any virtualization system will probably work. just make the root FS of the vms on its own partition, and use drbd and heartbeat to "host" the partition
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17:51<jakushevskij>retrospectacus: " use drbd and heartbeat to "host" the partitio"..." can you explain more this?
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17:53<retrospectacus>jakushevskij: yes bit it is a project I worked on with some other people so I don't know all the exact details, though I do have access to the servers.
17:54<jakushevskij>retrospectacus: but under the control of precisely what OS and server operating
17:55<jakushevskij>?
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17:56<retrospectacus>jakushevskij: drbd runs on the two servers; you assign it a same-size partition on each. drbd keeps the partitions in-sync, and provides to each server /dev/drbd0. openVZ runs on ONE server and mounts /dev/drbd0 as /vz. The virtual machines live there. If drbd on the inactive server detects an outage,
17:57<retrospectacus>jakushevskij: it mounts the drbd0 and starts openvz services. There's about 5 seconds downtime while the network switches figure out the VMs IPs have gone to another switchport.
17:58<retrospectacus>jakushevskij: the precise OS is: debian lenny running 2.6.26-2-openvz-amd64
17:59<jakushevskij>so this system is working....very good
17:59<retrospectacus>jakushevskij: I believe we required an -amd64 kernel for some reason, but the rest can be whatever. Of course for openvz you need that kernel
18:00<retrospectacus>the hosted VMs are also debian lenny with that same kernel
18:00<jakushevskij>retrospectacus: my servers are I386
18:00<retrospectacus>jakushevskij: it is working very good. However it does not improve performance.
18:01<retrospectacus>I think drbd/heartbeat requires 64bit
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18:01<jakushevskij>but how can I increase productivity?
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18:02<simonrvn>pay people better, get more people.
18:02<jakushevskij>simonrvn: no, i want new computers)))
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18:03<retrospectacus>faster server, more RAM, load balancing, separate servers per service (mail server, web server, mysql server all separate hardware)... things more complex than my setup
18:03<retrospectacus>jakushevskij: more gigabitches
18:04<jakushevskij>retrospectacus: yes you are right
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18:05<jakushevskij>and i can run on first server MySQL apache2 ;on second java programm, which using MySQL
18:05<jakushevskij>one computer weaker second stronger
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18:08<jakushevskij>retrospectacus: thank you for you advisced!!!good bye!!!
18:08<cyrusae>i know i've got the ability to join at the worst moments when noone is here... oaky, problem: i own a primascan 2400u scanner, but i just can't find an .inf-file for ndiswrapper (or a direct library that'd do it). how can i get that thing to work?
18:08<retrospectacus>sounds reasonable. Consider an additional GB network card in each with direct connection and static IPs
18:08<retrospectacus>jakushevskij: good luck!
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18:09<retrospectacus>for the drbd setup an additional network segment is very advisable
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18:10<retrospectacus>3 days uptime has over 100GB TX on that interface
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18:29<djtoxic>Hello?
18:29<retrospectacus>!hello
18:29<dpkg>Hi, retrospectacus!
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18:30<djtoxic>Can anyone help me with the xp hal.dll problem after reinstalling grub?
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18:31<djtoxic>Anyone?...
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18:32<qq->!patience
18:32<dpkg>The people here are volunteers, your attitude should reflect that. Answers are not always available.
18:33<bremner>too late, he couldn;t wait for patience.
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18:45<bogomips>hi
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18:47<sean>any usable debian livecd?
18:47<bzed>!live
18:47<dpkg>The Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. As of squeeze, the images can be installed with d-i. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLive/FAQ http://live.debian.net/ #debian-live on irc.oftc.net.
18:47<bzed>!grml
18:47<dpkg>grml is a bootable CD (Live CD) originally <based on> Knoppix, now Debian. It includes a collection of GNU/Linux software especially for users of text tools and system administrators. It can be used as a rescue system, for analyzing systems/networks or as a working environment. http://grml.org/ #grml on irc.freenode.net.
18:48<sean>a livecd that is good for newbies
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18:52<Dreakon>Hey guys, is there any kind of efficient way for me to play iSketch on Debian? Its run on Adobe Shockwave and there doesn't seem to be any way to use it other than on wine (with firefox).
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19:34<sparky4>where is the post fix IRC?
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19:37<themill>!postfix
19:37<dpkg>Postfix is a <MTA> originally created as an alternative to <sendmail>. It aims to be fast, secure, easy to administer and (relatively) sendmail compatible. Kyle Dent's Postfix FAQ: http://www.seaglass.com/postfix/faq.html . http://wiki.debian.org/Postfix http://www.postfix.org/ #postfix on irc.freenode.net.
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19:55<cesurasean>Grub loading.... Read Error, why would i be getting such an error?
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20:06<julian>buenas noches
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20:09<sparky4>buenas noches
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20:15<digitalsidux>hey guys I need some help. Im trying to mount a hard drive thats been setup for raid. I cant seem to get it mounted, any suggestions?
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20:24<DevNullnDull>hi i got such noob question. I normal just configure dhcp from cli, but i have a enduser that wants to use a GUI for their DHCP server. So i found a gdhcpd, but i go to run it tells me that i have to be root. if I try to run it from cli im getting a cannot open display error, what is the best way to run this program?
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20:27<retrospectacus>DevNullnDull: gksu gdhcpd
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20:28<retrospectacus>as normal user
20:28<chealer>DevNullnDull: you can use sux, kdesu or something of the kind
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20:36<DevNullnDull>retrospectacus: thanks for the reply
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20:45<DevNullnDull>chealer: oh thanks for that too. kdesu seems much cleaner why
20:45<DevNullnDull>*way
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20:50<EmleyMoor>My laptop wireless connection is failing - after a short time, it fails to route anything, and if I disconnect, fails to reconnect to the same AP until I reboot
20:51<EmleyMoor>Why would that happen? It never gave this problem on my old router, and my mobile phone works OK with it
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20:53<DevNullnDull>i do got a follow up ? why does "gksu" or kdesu when running a program like gdhcpd and not work when execute that program from su itself?
20:54<DevNullnDull>*like gdhcpd work and not work with just su?
20:54<EmleyMoor>DevNullnDull: Are the programs that fail with su itself X programs (graphical)?
20:54<DevNullnDull>EmleyMoor: yes
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20:54<EmleyMoor>su doesn't pass permission for X clients to display
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20:55<DevNullnDull>EmleyMoor: :) haha sorry. that for clear that up for me. I was tripping over that for 20 mins
20:56<EmleyMoor>I used to hawe something called "sux" which worked like su but also passed X permission
20:56<EmleyMoor>have, even
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21:20<dbldtx>I know this isn't a Debian problem explicitly, but I have an MKV file that when I open with VLC, fails to display video even after setting "video track" to "1". Is it a package I need?
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21:53<ravibn>Hi! I need help with which version to install on my Dell Latitude ?
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21:54<ravibn>It is a core i7 720QM with Nvidia 3100 NVS grphx card
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22:18<samzor_01>Hi, I just installed lenny via debootstrap and mysql wont install. Looks like it cant configure the mysql-server-5.0 package. http://pastebin.com/MQwVLa82
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22:31<dondelelcaro>samzor_01: mysql-server is failing to start; see why that is
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22:32<dondelelcaro>samzor_01: alternatively, you can stop it from starting temporarily
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22:35<dondelelcaro>(I'm guessing your problem is due to the fact that you've got mysql already running or something similar)
22:36<samzor_01>just looking at the logs. It is a debootstrap on vserver guest so ill check syslog
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22:40<samzor_01>yes, syslog saying cant use default port, will probably be something wrong with the domain name too... ill take it from here, thanks dondelelcaro
22:43<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... my laptop has stayed online for a while now - I had a ping running - will have to keep tinkering I think
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22:58<edbian>I am just learning emacs. I like to have a shell open in one window but I noticed the emacs shell isn't quite the same as my gnome-terminal shell. Is there any way I can give it a more native feel? What do you do?
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23:29<EmleyMoor>Does using scp need more ports than just (usually) 22?
23:30<astronut>ni
23:30<astronut>no*
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23:47<sparky4>hello?
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23:47<sparky4>I am still haveing problems with Postfix doing what it is sopposed to do
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23:48<sparky4>My problem is that when I recive mail it gets stuck in the queue and NEVER gets delivered o the proper mail box
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23:48<sparky4>AND when I send Mail It fails....
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23:49<sparky4>How do i fix the Delivery?
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