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00:06<sparky4>can anyone help me?
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00:32<sparky|4|netty4>hewllo?
00:32<jackson_>hi
00:32<sparky|4|netty4>I am just returning to see if i can get any help with postfix and delivering messages to the user's mailboxes
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00:34<sparky|4|netty4>jackson_: can you help:
00:34<sparky|4|netty4>?
00:36<jackson_>na just installing distro
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00:37<jackson_>sparky|4|netty4, thanks
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00:40<sparky|4|netty4>;_;
00:40<sparky|4|netty4>this is soo difficult ><;
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00:46<Na5Ut4>good morning
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00:47<Na5Ut4>can i use the debian compiz wiki for xfce?
00:48<Na5Ut4>is there a spicial wiki for xfce?
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01:28<twb>Suppose I have a malicious local user who can run logger(1).
01:29<twb>Is it possible for rsyslog to know (and record) which user generated a syslog(3) call?
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02:11<AyRh0nS>hello every body
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02:48<old>AyRh0nS: Hello.
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03:15<DasUberJohan>does/has anyone had trouble mounting a second hard drive after they got done installing debian? My second hdd at the moment just keeps saying "invalid mount point". The other thing is i set up backport correctly i believe but there's no updates in there that i've been able to see.
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03:16<DasUberJohan>i'm on Debian Lenny 5.0.5 i believe(whatever the lastest iso was/is for debian stable)
03:16<old>DasUberJohan: Check if the mount point exists if you mount it manually.
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03:19<DasUberJohan>old: apparently it's got no mount point and it's requiring root to change the permissions/try to mount yet when i go into root it's no longer existent.
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03:21<old>DasUberJohan: Well, no mount point is not a valid mount point. ;-) Is there a fstab entry for this disk?
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03:22<DasUberJohan>well yeah i get that it's not a valid one but i don't know why it'd just lose itself. Also i'm going to have to apparently get fstab as it's not a command
03:23<old>DasUberJohan: It's a file: /etc/fstab.
03:23<old>!tell DasUberJohan about fstab
03:24<DasUberJohan>apparently there's no mount point for it as i only see the sda1 on my main hdd
03:24<DasUberJohan>and then there's cdrom0 but that's it
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03:25<old>So for now we'll try to mount it manually to see if it mounts, and then we'll try to add a fstab entry, OK?
03:26<DasUberJohan>sounds good to me
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03:27<old>Run `fdisk -l` (lowercase 'L', not '1' (one) ) as root to see your detected partitions.
03:28<DasUberJohan>well it's apparently there as i see the 250GB hdd
03:28<DasUberJohan>and since i've got my external attached which is also a 320 it's there as sdb
03:29<old>DasUberJohan: In the left column there is a /dev/sdb(some digit) next to it?
03:30<DasUberJohan>/dev/sdb1
03:30<DasUberJohan>and it starts at 3 for some odd reason instead of 1 like the others.
03:30<old>DasUberJohan: What filesystem is there?
03:30<DasUberJohan>it's formatted as an NTFS since it was my windows partition which held all of my various documents
03:31<old>DasUberJohan: What do you mean by "starts at 3"?
03:31<DasUberJohan> Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System
03:31<DasUberJohan>/dev/sdb1 3 484519 244196352 7 HPFS/NTFS
03:32<old>DasUberJohan: For NTFS you'll need ntfs-3g package.
03:32<DasUberJohan>all of the other paritions that start at the front of the hdd start at 1
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03:33<old>DasUberJohan: I don't know why, but I don't think it's a great problem. You just don't use two blocks of your huge disk. :P
03:34<old>DasUberJohan: Have you installed ntfs-3g?
03:34<DasUberJohan>i know i was just wondering if that was one of the main issues with it. Also now it says permission is 'unknown' for mounting
03:34<DasUberJohan>yeah i did apt-get install ntfs-3g
03:35<old>So use it to mount. IIRC: `ntfs-3g /dev/sdb1 $mountpoint`, where $mountpoint is an _existing_ directory.
03:36<old>I don't now if standard drivers have write support for NTFS, but I'am sure ntfs-3g has, so It's quite safe to use it.
03:37<old>... as long as you didn't encrypt, or compress your files.
03:37<DasUberJohan>well now it's magically disappeared when i tried to just mount /
03:37<DasUberJohan>oh
03:37<DasUberJohan>well that's probably it then
03:37<DasUberJohan>it was compressed back from windows land
03:37<DasUberJohan>due to it just being a backup drive
03:38<old>DasUberJohan: You mean the directory, not the disk, I hope?
03:38<DasUberJohan>the entire disk
03:39<DasUberJohan>it was used as a backup and since i didn't use it much i decided to just compress it
03:39<old>Oh, I meant the previous message. The directory has disappeared and the disk is compressed, right?
03:40<DasUberJohan>the entire disk isn't showing up as the ability to show up. An dthe entire disk was compressed.
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03:41<old>DasUberJohan: `umount /dev/sdb1` should make it appear again.
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03:41<DasUberJohan>well it's still supposed there. on fdisk
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03:41<DasUberJohan>all it keeps telling me is that it's busy
03:42<old>DasUberJohan: I don't know how to mount a compressed NTFS. I don't even know if it is possible right now, but I am not up-to-date, so there may be a way.
03:42<SoloFlyer>compressed NTFS?
03:42<DasUberJohan>ah ok no worries do you know why after adding the backports for lenny i've not seen a single updateable package?
03:43<SoloFlyer>far as i knew there was no such thing as a compressed ntfs file system just compressed files on an ntfs file system
03:43<DasUberJohan>yeah compressed ntfs is my second internal hdd
03:43<twb>NTFS transparent compression is apparently per-file LZ77
03:43<DasUberJohan>well however you wish to say it SoloFlyer since i said to compress it when i was in 7 for that little bit of time i was using it
03:43<twb>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NTFS#File_compression
03:44<twb>So worst case, you should be able to just gunzip the files.
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03:44<DasUberJohan>it's just not mounting at the moment is the biggest problem
03:44<SoloFlyer>DasUberJohan: the compression shouldnt cause any problems for you with regard to mounting
03:44<DasUberJohan>and right now it won't unmount and continually says it's busy
03:44<twb>DasUberJohan: how are you invoking mount?
03:44<SoloFlyer>DasUberJohan: only the files that are compressed are affected
03:45<DasUberJohan>first i tried just clicking it then i did what old said
03:45<old>twb: So mount can mount NYFS for read-write?
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03:45<DasUberJohan>it's not showing up at the moment but won't unmount
03:46<twb>old: -t ntfs supports writing to NTFS files *if and only if* you don't increase or decrease the file size.
03:46<DasUberJohan>so it's supposedly mounted
03:46<twb>old: it's basically useless; use ntfs-3g if you want write access.
03:46<DasUberJohan>ntfs-3g /dev/sdb1 $mountpoint
03:46<DasUberJohan>was the command he said to try and i used $mountpoint as / since there are files on the / part
03:47<SoloFlyer>DasUberJohan: DasUberJohan are you doing that as root or as a user?
03:47<DasUberJohan>which i know aren't compressed due to me not reformatting it after i was done with/using windows and when i wsa hoping around distros agin.
03:47<old>DasUberJohan: Oh, dear! Not the '/' directory!
03:47<DasUberJohan>root from the terminal as far as the command one
03:47<DasUberJohan>O_o why not the / director
03:47<DasUberJohan>you said any directory on teh drive
03:47<twb>old: he won't be able to mount over the top of /
03:47<SoloFlyer>lol
03:47<DasUberJohan>and / is one of them
03:48<EmleyMoor>is too important to allow you to do that
03:48<twb>DasUberJohan: you should create a directory /mnt/foo, and run "mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/sdb1 /mnt/foo"
03:48<old>DasUberJohan: Sorry. I should've told that. It's best to make a new, empty directory for that.
03:49<DasUberJohan>ah ok also on a side note why is debian disliking my external hdd at the moment
03:49<EmleyMoor>If your mount point has contents, they "vanish" while the filesystem is mounted
03:49<SoloFlyer>i think a few people here made a few too many assumptions :)
03:49<DasUberJohan>i just keep getting random I/O ERRORs when i'm trying to get something done.
03:49<AyRh0nS>hum
03:49<DasUberJohan>right now i'm trying to move back over my various documents from my old system
03:49<SoloFlyer>DasUberJohan: i would say its dying...
03:49<DasUberJohan>ok so how do you create a directory fromteh comannd line when you're unable to mount something
03:49<DasUberJohan>that's just nice...
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03:50<old>DasUberJohan: And mount point is not the directory of your drive you want to see . It's the directory where you want to see your drive at.
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03:50<DasUberJohan>since it was working just fine the other day when iwas trying to use fedora
03:50<DasUberJohan>ah ok
03:51<SoloFlyer>DasUberJohan: but if your sure its not dying it could be a few other things... but its most likely to be imminent death...
03:51<DasUberJohan>well it was just working yesterday
03:51<DasUberJohan>without any troubles till today when i started trying to do it
03:51<SoloFlyer>in my experience hard drives tend to do that...
03:51<SoloFlyer>but try it in another computer...
03:52<twb>DasUberJohan: run SMART self-tests on the disk
03:52<SoloFlyer>twb: you cant run smart on a disk in a usb chassis
03:52<DasUberJohan>well i just did it though for my $home directory yesterday so that i could eliminate my random problems with it
03:52<twb>(Note that smart probably won't work over USB)
03:52<old>DasUberJohan: Disks can really die slowly.
03:52<SoloFlyer>twb: SNAP :P
03:52<DasUberJohan>since i did have like 5 partitions
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03:52<twb>SoloFlyer: I didn't know if he was using usb or esata :P
03:52<DasUberJohan>due to me running around trying to find a distro to finally call my own
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03:53<DasUberJohan>well it is usb due to it being on sale when i got it
03:53<SoloFlyer>twb: ahh ill pay that :P
03:53<DasUberJohan>30$ for a 320GB
03:53<DasUberJohan>and i couldn't pass it up XD
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03:54<SoloFlyer>DasUberJohan: you could try taking the hard drive out of the disk and mounting it via ida/sata then running smart on it to see what it says
03:54<DasUberJohan>has anyone else had an issue with not getting any new updates on the backports for the various software?
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03:55<DasUberJohan>i'll probably try it after i get what data i can
03:55<SoloFlyer>DasUberJohan: keeping in mind that opening the drive enclosure would void your warranty
03:55<DasUberJohan>i have a external enclosure lying around from when my other one kinda died
03:55<DasUberJohan>i'm going to have to look up when i got this thing
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03:55<DasUberJohan>since if it's still under warranty i might as well try to get a new one
03:56<SoloFlyer>DasUberJohan: if your trying to do data recovery you would be better off taking a block by block copy of it with something like gddrescue
03:56<DasUberJohan>well it's just me copying data off of it
03:56<DasUberJohan>and it's working except thus far like 7 files
03:56<DasUberJohan>it's mounted just fine but the files and the drive just kinda died off
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03:57<SoloFlyer>DasUberJohan: there is more than 1 way to skin a cat... :)
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03:58<DasUberJohan>yeah i've heard such things as that many of times in the past.
03:58<DasUberJohan>so on the second part are the lenny backports just not working at themoment?
03:58<gsimmons>DasUberJohan: (re lenny-backports) All backports are deactivated by default, refer to http://deb.li/bpoi
03:58<DasUberJohan>since it's still acting like iceweasel 3.0.6 is the latest
03:59<DasUberJohan>i did the instructions at the "how to enable backports" by doing the preferences setting it's priority to 200
03:59<DasUberJohan>and well here it is
03:59<DasUberJohan>http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions
03:59<DasUberJohan>ah yeah your link was the same as mine
04:00<old>200? Isn't it to low?
04:01<DasUberJohan>er no idea i just went by what they said
04:02<DasUberJohan>If you want to get your packages from backports upgraded automatically the following entry in /etc/apt/preferences should be sufficient
04:02<DasUberJohan>and i did what it said there
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04:02<old>DasUberJohan: Yes, I can see.
04:02<craigevil>that still doesnt cause packages in lenny yo upgrade to backports, you have to specificaly install from backports
04:02<craigevil>then the packages that you install will upgrade from backports
04:02<DasUberJohan>i was just saying that's what they said. So i have to go in one by one and add in teh backport packages?
04:03<SoloFlyer>DasUberJohan: no
04:03<DasUberJohan>as in i have to go in and do iceweasel, pidgin, gnome, linux kernel, apache, mysql, etc. etc.
04:04<old>DasUberJohan: Does `apt-get -t lenny-backports upgrade` work?
04:04<DasUberJohan>and run the little backports package info
04:04<SoloFlyer>DasUberJohan: setting the pin priority to 200 raises it from 1 so that when the backport packages get upgraded
04:04<SoloFlyer>the updated version will get installed
04:05<SoloFlyer>otherwise you woudl have to manually specfiy any updates
04:05<SoloFlyer>you still have to do apt-get -t lenny-backports install blah
04:05<SoloFlyer>for anything that you want to install
04:06<SoloFlyer>the pin priority just means that blah will get upgrade when you do apt-get upgade
04:06<SoloFlyer>rather than you having to do apt-get -t lenny-backports install blah again
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04:06<old>... or get installed normally if the priority is higher than 500 (or 900?).
04:06<jb_>hi. I'm in trouble.
04:07<SoloFlyer>old that would cause every package to get pulled from backports... that would be bad
04:07<DasUberJohan>also has anyone else been having rather low download speed from backports/debian?
04:07<SoloFlyer>old: if you were going to do that you would just run a newer version than lenny
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04:07<jb_>I want to add an alias ip-address to the loopback interface. it works fine until I added it to /etc/network/interfaces
04:07<DasUberJohan>right now i'm getting ~1/6th of my normal downstream
04:07<SoloFlyer>DasUberJohan: its not the fastest...
04:07<jb_>the machine is now unreachable
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04:08<jb_>somehow I messed the syntax
04:08<SoloFlyer>das try using a mirror instead of backports.org
04:08<jb_>and it's quite urgent
04:08<jb_>auto lo:1
04:08<jb_>iface lo:1 inet loopback address 192.168.12.30
04:08<DasUberJohan>how do you tell it to use a mirror from now on? just go in there and change the standard url wherein i tgets it?
04:08<SoloFlyer>do you have access to the machine?
04:08<jb_>soloflyer: no
04:08<SoloFlyer>DasUberJohan: yes
04:09<DasUberJohan>since i'm used to having it auto-choose a mirror from other distros XD
04:09<jb_>not easily at all
04:09<jb_>It does have lights-out management and a few other things, so I can reboot it
04:09<SoloFlyer>jb_: can you not get console access?
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04:10<old>DasUberJohan: I think there is a package that does the same...
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04:10<jb_>soloflyer: not that I know or have tried to but it might be possible
04:10<old>DasUberJohan: netselect-apt.
04:13<jb_>has anyone used ipmitool?
04:13<SoloFlyer>jb_: yes
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04:15<jb_>is it possible to establish a console with that?
04:15<SoloFlyer>jb_: not really...
04:17<SoloFlyer>jb_: by which i mean yes you can but you would have needed to have configured console access via serial terminal before you bricked your server...
04:17<jb_>I see.
04:18<SoloFlyer>impi allows you to connect to the serial port via the network, and you can use the serial port as a console, but you have to configure getty for that
04:19<jb_>"blabla With LO100c, users can acquire complete remote control with Virtual KVM (graphical hardware-based, remote console)"
04:19<SoloFlyer>and since you cant configure getty at the moment...
04:19<jb_>SoloFlyer: Yes, I see ...
04:20<SoloFlyer>HP iLO has a web interface iirc
04:23<jb_>connections to port 80 times out
04:23<SoloFlyer>ssl
04:25<SoloFlyer>if thats disabled you should be able to enable it via impi
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04:29<jb_>how do I do that? There is no command option for it
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04:33<SoloFlyer>jb_: so what access do you have to the ilo
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04:34<jb_>SoloFlyer: I can use ipmitool to reboot etc
04:34<jb_>I haven't tried it, but I can use the status commands
04:35<SoloFlyer>do you have ssh or telnet access?
04:35<jb_>no
04:36<jb_>either they're not available on this version or they're turned off somehow
04:36<SoloFlyer>jb_: id say they are turned off
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04:39<cfrabel__>Hi all
04:39<SoloFlyer>jb_: i was hoping you would be able to enable hp ilo features via ipmi raw or somethign...
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04:40<jb_>it is probably possible
04:41<jb_>I see an oem raw command to change telnet timeout in a manual pdf
04:41<SoloFlyer>jb_: ive got a few docs and user guides infront of me i havent seen anything useful yet... i reccommend that you have a look too
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04:49<jb_>but why did it turn of networks?
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04:49<jb_>here is what I added to /etc/network/interfaces:
04:49<jb_>auto lo:1
04:49<jb_>iface lo:1 inet loopback address 192.168.12.30 netmask 255.255.255.0 network 192.168.12.0
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04:50<SoloFlyer>jb_: how do you access the server
04:50<SoloFlyer>jb_: what did you do after you added that to interfaces
04:54<jb_> /etc/init.d/networking/restart
04:54<SoloFlyer>ouch
04:54<jb_>Reconfiguring network interfaces...Write failed: Broken pipe
04:55<jb_>Why?
04:55<SoloFlyer>because i would say it took out all your interfaces
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04:55<SoloFlyer>then borked on your new interfaces file
04:56<Arttatus>Hi. How much DVDs is need to install the system? All the 5 + Update?
04:56<jb_>ipmitool> mc setenables oem0=on
04:56<jb_>Enabling OEM 0
04:56<jb_>Set Global Enables command failed: Insufficient privilege level
04:57<jb_>SoloFlyer: would it come back on if I rebooted it?
04:57<jakob>arttatus: 1 should be enough
04:57<SoloFlyer>jb_: no sorry it wouldnt it will just load the same interfaces file against...
04:57<Arttatus>jakob: thanks
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04:57<jb_>SoloFlyer: what is wrong with it?
04:59<jb_>ipmitool> mc setenables oem0=on
04:59<jb_>Enabling OEM 0
04:59<jb_>Set Global Enables command failed: Insufficient privilege level
04:59<SoloFlyer>jb_: i dont think you have the privileges to do that... do you have another ipmi user?
05:00<jb_>This is "admin". I never added users, as best I remember. I set passwords for existing users
05:01<SoloFlyer>did admin have rights to set global variables?
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05:03<jb_>I don't know.
05:04<jb_>It was a few years ago.
05:04<jb_>I don't think I checked into it
05:05<SoloFlyer>jb_: btw the problem with your interfaces file was you used the special word loopback instead of static
05:06<jb_>mhm
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05:09<SoloFlyer>jb_: rather than using /etc/init.d/networking restart try just using ifup lo:0 that way if it fails... well i think you get the idea...
05:09<jb_>my guess is the user "admin" is hardwired and variables can't be changed remotely
05:10<jb_>with the user "Operator": Activate Session error: Requested privilege level exceeds limit
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05:19<SoloFlyer>jb_: have you tried running nmap against the ilo card to make sure that there isnt somethign there that you can use?
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05:26<internet>google
05:26<SoloFlyer>is your friend
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05:31<jb_>well.
05:31<SoloFlyer>anyluck?
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05:31<jb_>I talked to the colocation guys. As I talked to them I discovered it was answering ping
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05:32<jb_>so apparently power cycling it with ipmi worked
05:32<jb_>but I didn't notice until now
05:32<SoloFlyer>interesting...
05:32<DasUberJohan>ok so i just got done updating gnome, iceweasel, and pidgin and now everytime i install something it gives me this odd error. E: libgmime2.2-cil: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 9
05:32<DasUberJohan>E: tomboy: dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
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05:32<DasUberJohan>what's this libgmime2.20-cil have to do with installing new packages? And tomboy notes doesn't seem like something that's that important
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05:33<SoloFlyer>apt-get -f install
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05:33<jb_>the loopback interface didn't get started though.
05:34<DasUberJohan>also apparently starting up synaptic has a weird thing of causing pidgin to go down
05:34<SoloFlyer>change it from loopback to static
05:34<SoloFlyer>then it will work
05:34<SoloFlyer>and test it using ifup lo:1
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05:36<jb_>changed to static
05:36<jb_>it works now.
05:36<SoloFlyer>jb_: im testing what you did... in a virtual machine..
05:36<SoloFlyer>and im getting different results to what i did earlier...
05:37<SoloFlyer>aka the first time i restarted networking with a broken interfaces file i lost networking
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05:37<SoloFlyer>now im not...
05:38<jb_>that happened to me
05:38<jb_>as well.
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05:43<jakob>dasuberjohan: apt-get -f install
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05:43<dbvolio>hello
05:44<dbvolio>i have the following error while trying to install ispconfig2
05:44<dbvolio>ERROR: lex not found!
05:44<SoloFlyer>jb_: looks like doing a /etc/init.d/networking restart will give you different results to a restart...
05:44<DasUberJohan>apt-get -f install yields the same error about libgmime2.2
05:45<dbvolio>?
05:45<dbvolio>what should i do?
05:45<jb_>SoloFlyer: luckily for me
05:46<SoloFlyer>jb_: yes but it shouldnt... it should act the same...
05:47<dbvolio>someone?
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05:48<SoloFlyer>what the hell is ispconfig2 ?
05:48<dbvolio>ask google
05:49<SoloFlyer>you ask google
05:49<dbvolio>i already know what it is
05:49<SoloFlyer>then go fix your problem
05:49<dbvolio>it's a web control panel
05:50<dbvolio>and it has a lib dependency named lex
05:50<SoloFlyer>did you try installing lex?
05:50<dbvolio>it says icouldn't find itt
05:50<jakob>dbvolio: http://how2forge.org/forums/showthread.php?t=2993
05:51<dbvolio>thanks alot jakob
05:52<SoloFlyer>dbvolio: install flex
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05:53<dbvolio>yes
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05:59<DasUberJohan>hmm apparently my xorg version is 1.4.2 yet nvidia's drivers require 6.7+ how do i go about updating it since backports doesn't have an update for it and debian doesn't show an update for it
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06:04<dbvolio>STEP 0: Decide the signature algorithm used for certificates
06:04<dbvolio>The generated X.509 certificates can contain either
06:04<dbvolio>RSA or DSA based ingredients. Select the one you want to use.
06:04<dbvolio>Signature Algorithm ((R)SA or (D)SA) [R]:
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06:05<DasUberJohan>the other thing is has anyone else noticed their HDDs running more than they have on other distros?
06:05<dbvolio>STEP 0: Decide the signature algorithm used for certificates
06:05<dbvolio>The generated X.509 certificates can contain either
06:05<dbvolio>RSA or DSA based ingredients. Select the one you want to use.
06:05<dbvolio>Signature Algorithm ((R)SA or (D)SA) [R]:
06:05<dbvolio>this is what i get at a moment
06:05<dbvolio>which should i choose?
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06:07<dbvolio>someone?
06:07<DasUberJohan>DSA's more secure when signing but rsa's faster so it's up to you
06:08<dbvolio>ok
06:08<DasUberJohan>also i don't know what you're using exactly i'm just throwing in my knowledge of the algorithms
06:08<dbvolio>for ispconfig2
06:08<dbvolio>its an web contrl panel
06:09<DasUberJohan>well i'd probably go DSA then since security is going to be one of your biggest worries since you're only talking about signing also
06:09<DasUberJohan>since i've never used this product though you might want to wait and see if others will speak too
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06:11<dbvolio>ok
06:11<jb_>I should probably look into enabling at least serial console now
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06:28<craigevil>dbvolio: you might try openpanel it has a debian repo
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06:38<prem> hi.,i have nokia N72 with GPRS activated..is there a way i can use that internet from my debian..
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06:38<sampo55>kukkuu
06:39<sampo55>english or finnish
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06:41<sampo55>onko täällä kettää
06:42<petemc>english
06:42<sampo55>ok
06:42<sampo55> im try to decide what version of debian to install
06:43<petemc>lenny
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06:43<petemc>you can try testing/squeeze , but there are some known issues with it
06:44<sampo55>thats stable,good put i want newer programs and dont want to use ubuntu
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06:44<petemc>you can use backports to get newer versions of programs if you really think you need them
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06:45<sampo55>ok if i use lenny +packports , do stil get security updates
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06:48<sampo55>im litle newbie
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06:51<sampo55>ok do i get security updates to testing version
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06:57<lorena>ola
06:58<seeS>hello
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06:58<craigevil>sampo55: security fixes reach testing by migration from unstable, which basically means security in testing is not as good as stable
06:58<sampo55>do i dl debian 5.0 .5 updte ... can i install that ?
06:59<lorena>wats?
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07:02<lorena>olaaaaaaaaaaa
07:02<sampo55>what is this 5.0.5 update dvd.iso ---> cani install debian from that?
07:02<sampo55>ola
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07:05<sparky|4|netty4>can you help me and send test emails to sparky4@4ch.irc.su?
07:06<gsimmons>dpkg: tell sampo55 -about update-cd
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07:12<lorena>olaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
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07:14<gsimmons>sampo55: No private messages, please. Describe your problem in the channel.
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07:16<sampo55>http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100626 --------> this
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07:17<sampo55>is this bootable installation media
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07:23<gsimmons>sampo55: Installation media for Debian GNU/Linux 5.0.5 is available, see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ . Update CD/DVDs are not bootable and cannot be used for new installations.
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07:31<sampo55>ok if i want try testing and have security updates how i get them in testing version
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07:33<DasUberJohan>ok i think that fileroller's no longer working because opera's amd64.deb, chrome's amd64.deb both say that the file type isn't supported. Yet i am on debian 5.0.5 lenny amd64
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07:34<DasUberJohan>wait nvm XD
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07:34<marcelo>-br
07:34<DasUberJohan>i clicked the wrong thing just noticed it was opening as an archive
07:34<DasUberJohan>instead of gedebi
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07:34<bremner>!tell sampo55 -about testing security
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07:37<dapeamel>hi guys can someone help me to set up my fstab :S? I cant mount my drives.
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07:41<seeS>your fstab file?
07:42<sampo55>if i put this deb ---> http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main contrib non-free in ---> /etc/apt/sources.list of testing version.?
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07:46<bremner>sampo55: did you read the msg from dpkg?
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07:48<sampo55>what version of testing dvd is bootable 1,2,3...?
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07:54<sampo55>ok il wound it--- the testing
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08:15<AnAnt>Hello, I want to setup a repository on my network , how can I dput to that repository ?
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08:32<cmot>Heyho! Somewhat OT except that I'm using Debian ... what's the fastest way to transform an XML input to csv output?
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08:33<cmot>Input is tabular (<element><value1>blah</value1><v2>fasel</v2></element><element> ... more of the same)
08:33<cmot>so it probably even was generated from a csv :-/
08:33<allu2>Hello, i have debian squeeze on Omnibook XE3-GF i have this problem that sometimes the laptop stops receiving any input what so ever from mouse(touchpad) keyboard, or the "one touch keys". The screen keeps updating and i can watch the time from it and ssh on it but i don't know how to fix this other way then hard reboot :S any idea how i could have it accepting input again?
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08:38<allu2>well i tried to restart X and now ssh connection cut and i had to reboot
08:38<allu2>everything works fine for now
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09:59<BonZo>hi
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10:01<BonZo>i need a way to browse my samba network in xfce. i tried muonting it with `smbnetfs "mountpoint"` but the mountpoint directory is empty
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10:04<petemc>BonZo: mount -t cifs.. and use whatever file manager xfce has
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10:13<servermeteo>hi
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10:14<servermeteo>I have some problem with debian and M4A89GTD motherboard
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10:21<spart>@servermeteo: server or desktop?
10:23<jordanm>!tell servermeteo about ask
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10:24<servermeteo>server
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10:27<Yvan>good morning, It takes a long long time for konqueror to connect to a page.
10:27<Yvan>very slow
10:28<koollman>Yvan: my first idea is that one of your dns server is bad, or your isp is having some troubles
10:29<Yvan><koollman> ok, so, that only afect Konqueror?. epiphany run normaly
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10:30<koollman>Oh, I missed that part. so, I need a second idea :)
10:32<Yvan><koollman> I think I know what's happen, but I can't access the "about:config" option
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11:38<Skorfulose>hello together!
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11:38<Skorfulose>does somebody have knowledge on debootstrap?
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11:38<bartm>y
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11:40<Skorfulose>i'm trying to bootstrap on a busybox system. so i downloaded the .deb, untared it, and now i get:
11:40<Skorfulose>"E: No pkgdetails available; either install perl, or build pkgdetails.c from source"
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11:40<mjt>what is a "busybox system" ?
11:41<Skorfulose>seagate dockstar (marvel kirkwood SoC with sheeva ARM cpu)
11:41<Skorfulose>it is looking for /usr/lib/debootstrap/pkgdetails but this is/was not contained in the .deb
11:41<mjt>oh. _on_ a busybox system
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11:41*mjt misread
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11:44<Skorfulose>i found a debian bug #326831 from Oct 05 regarding the missing pkgdetails, but it should be solved?!
11:45<bartm>Skorfulose: which version of debootstrap are you trying to use?
11:46<mjt>"Emit error message if no pkgdetails is available. (Closes: Bug#326831)
11:46<mjt>"
11:47<mjt>so what you see appears to be the fix for #326831
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11:49<Skorfulose>currently trying 1.0.23 (squeeze), but lenny and etch don't contain the pkgdetails either
11:50<bartm>and have you installed perl or built pkgdetails.c from source? :)
11:50<Skorfulose>ahaha, nice patch ;)
11:51<Skorfulose>nope. no perl on the box, and no make and gcc
11:51<Skorfulose>okay, i can debootstrap the first stage on a debian virtual machine, no problem then. but i wanted to do it all on the seagate dockstar just for the sake of it ;)
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11:55<Skorfulose>okay then, take that as a "solved" as well :)
11:55<Skorfulose>thanks!
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11:56<chico>alguien conoce un canal de lyx?
11:56<bartm>chico: english only here
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11:56<chico>somebody knows lyx'channels?
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11:59<bartm>chico: maybe this helps: http://www.lyx.org/MailingLists
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12:03<Borja>hi
12:04<Borja>lsuytgsobhliukchgvohbuñ iaglfudñn
12:04<Borja>tonto
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12:15<DasUberJohan>ok i just tried to register at the debian forums andi'd like to know who's sick joke it was to include this question. What is the middle number? 0 1 2 3 4 5 there is no "middle number" it's an even set of numbers. As such there are no middle numbers for there to be. And i couldn't register due to failing it as trying to get it going.
12:15<DasUberJohan>so what is the correct answer? 23?
12:15<DasUberJohan>n/a?
12:16<bartm>have you tried 3 ? :)
12:16<DasUberJohan>i tried 2, 3, 23 and all failed
12:17<bartm>maybe it's 2.5 :)
12:17<DasUberJohan>:/ so now i get to sit here wondering what to do with it since i was trying to get the nvidia driver going but it's rambling on about "kernel-source" and since the package manager isn't showing ANY nvidia driver even though the pages claim it does i get to wonderwhat's going on...
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12:17<retrospectacus>lol
12:17<DasUberJohan>and i thought i'd be a whole number
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12:18<jordanm>DasUberJohan: sounds like you didn't add non-free sources
12:18<retrospectacus>DasUberJohan: lenny?
12:18<DasUberJohan>due to it being all hey i'm whole since 2.5 isn't a number or what i consider integer it's a float
12:18<DasUberJohan>i could've sworn i did add them
12:18<retrospectacus>and aptitude update?
12:18<DasUberJohan>but i can't get synaptic to come up or the software sources to show up either anymore
12:18<DasUberJohan>they randomly come in
12:18<DasUberJohan>and out
12:19<DasUberJohan>i just keep rebotting until i finally am able to even get the prompt to open it
12:19<jordanm>DasUberJohan: don't use synaptic
12:19<jordanm>DasUberJohan: what version of debian?
12:19<DasUberJohan>why not? it's a GUI gui=faster and lenny
12:19<DasUberJohan>i love guis since i can see things and i can see all of the search results
12:19<DasUberJohan>the commandline's more odd with those things
12:19<jordanm>I haven't a clue how you came up with that logic
12:19<DasUberJohan>especially wheni'm on run level 3 and trying to do things
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12:20<jordanm>well, in this case your GUI sounds buggy and lacks features you need. I suggest you use something better such as aptitude
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12:21<retrospectacus>gui = faster ?????? unpossible
12:21<DasUberJohan>:/ synaptic should just "work"
12:21<DasUberJohan>or at least i'd like it to
12:21<DasUberJohan>yes gui is faster i don't browse the web with lynx(i think that's its name)
12:22<jordanm>I wouldn't be suprised if aptitude-gtk completely replaces synatpic in the future
12:22<DasUberJohan>i also don't program with vii or emac
12:22<DasUberJohan>i use an IDE so that i can see things
12:22<jordanm>emacs is a gui...
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12:22<jordanm>atleast, without the -nx option
12:22<DasUberJohan>wait what was i oh well :/ you know what i'm talking about
12:23<DasUberJohan>the command line text editor
12:23<DasUberJohan>there's vii and that other one
12:23<jordanm>there are quite a few
12:23<jordanm>!start an editor war
12:23<dpkg>nvi bites!
12:23<DasUberJohan>the one that's supposedly proper
12:23<retrospectacus>anyways, just use aptitude
12:23<DasUberJohan>emacs
12:24<DasUberJohan>that was it
12:24<jhutchins_lt>DasUberJohan: Runlevel 3 as opposed to what? 2?
12:24<DasUberJohan>i wasn't off by that much
12:24<DasUberJohan>yeah because nvidia refuses to install the driver in run level 2
12:24<jhutchins_lt>DasUberJohan: Seriously? Heh.
12:24<jordanm>jhutchins_lt: I just assumed runlevel 3 == some TTY
12:24<DasUberJohan>complains about some random programs not being 'enabled on all distros'
12:24<DasUberJohan>well debian boots run level 3 as graphical for some odd reason too
12:24<jordanm>DasUberJohan: doesn't sound like a debian package
12:25<DasUberJohan>so i have to go into tty and kill x and gdm
12:25<rednose>Is bttracker.debian.org:6969 offline? I have being running the debian-505-amd64-DVD-1.iso torrent for 24 hours the tracker has never respond
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12:25<DasUberJohan>i think it's dead rednose
12:25<jordanm>what?
12:25<DasUberJohan>i was trying to get around to downloaded the dvd iso for later use since i got the cd
12:25<DasUberJohan>the tracker
12:25<DasUberJohan>or well dead at the moment
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12:26<rednose>DasUberJohan: who do I need to yell (talk to) at about this?
12:27<jhutchins_lt>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Runlevel
12:27<DasUberJohan>rednose:i have no idea
12:27<gsimmons>rednose: The issue was reported to the debian-cd mailing list (http://lists.debian.org/debian-cd/2010/06/msg00045.html). Feel free to use jigdo in the meantime.
12:27<DasUberJohan>and jhutchins_It talk to debian's choice of runlevels
12:28<rednose>gsimmons: I wanted to run seed the torrent for abit I do not use debain.. yet.
12:29<rednose>Has anyone tryed using debtorrent with jigdo?
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12:35<DasUberJohan>also what's this aptitude-gtk is it already in the testing repos and being backported? or is it in "extremely experiment" status
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12:37<simonrvn>it works ok, but it's not stable, or wasn't. it has improved though. personally i like the curses-based one better.
12:37<DasUberJohan>curses-based one? are you telling me there is a package system that is based upon swearing?
12:37<jordanm>about a month ago it was unusable. it was usable when I tried it last week though
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12:38<jordanm>DasUberJohan: curses is a framework for GUIs inside of the terminal (aka a TUI)
12:40<DasUberJohan>ah ok well i'll be sure to keep an on it then
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12:41<rednose>gsimmons: Anyway, thank you. I will wait and what happens.
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12:45<DasUberJohan> │ Installation of the nvidia-kernel-source source failed. ↑
12:45<DasUberJohan> │ ▮
12:45<DasUberJohan> │ Ignoring this package. Maybe you need to add something to ▒
12:45<DasUberJohan> │ sources.list, maybe the contrib and non-free archives.
12:45-!-DasUberJohan was kicked from #debian by debhelper [use the paster bot or #flood]
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12:45<DasUberJohan>ok how do you use the paster bot?
12:45<jordanm>!paste
12:45<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <paste2pastebin.pl>.
12:46*Lethalman never seen a paste of a terminal scrollbar! :O
12:46<DasUberJohan>http://paste.debian.net/79090/
12:46<DasUberJohan>well there's that then
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12:47<DasUberJohan>i tried to do what they said on the file and it gave me that. Even though i went in and made sure that the sources.lst had nonfree, and contrib now what's this about archive?
12:47<bartm>DasUberJohan: there is a difference between nonfree and non-free
12:48<DasUberJohan>lenny main contrib non-free
12:48<DasUberJohan> or well the main contrib non-free is
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12:48<DasUberJohan>is theend
12:49<bartm>DasUberJohan: apt-cache policy nvidia-kernel-source
12:49<DasUberJohan>http://paste.debian.net/79091/
12:50-!-mode/#debian [+l 409] by debhelper
12:50<DasUberJohan>is the output fromthat command which makes me believe that it's been installed
12:50<bartm>looks ok
12:50<DasUberJohan>the other thing is that every package is complaing about tomboy notes and libmime-2.2-cil i think
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12:50<DasUberJohan>any ideas why that's coming up for?
12:51<jordanm>DasUberJohan: not without showing us what it says
12:51<jordanm>DasUberJohan: and what did you do to produce the other error?
12:51<DasUberJohan>i did....
12:51<DasUberJohan> apt-get install module-assistant nvidia-kernel-common
12:51<DasUberJohan>it showed up at the very end apparently
12:52<DasUberJohan>now i need to think of a package to install to invoke the specifics...
12:52<jordanm>DasUberJohan: pastebin the full output along with the command
12:52<DasUberJohan>jordanm:that previous command once more?
12:52<jordanm>DasUberJohan: yes, just show the whole thing
12:53<dbldtx>DasUberJohan; I know when I did it, I got a completely different result whether I did it all using SUDO or SU, FYI.My.Two.Cents.jpg
12:53<DasUberJohan>http://paste.debian.net/79092/
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12:54<DasUberJohan>i was running it as su
12:54<DasUberJohan>since i've not gotten around to adding myself to the sudoers
12:54<jordanm>,versions libgmime2.2-cil
12:54<judd>libgmime2.2-cil -- etch: 2.2.3-3; lenny: 2.2.22-2
12:54<jordanm>DasUberJohan: I would not recommend granting a user permission to do everything with sudo
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12:55<DasUberJohan>my own account?
12:55<DasUberJohan>to allow for use of sudo
12:55<DasUberJohan>instead of having to drop down into su
12:56<jordanm>for security reasons, I don't recommend it
12:56<jordanm>DasUberJohan: aptitude why libgmime2.2-cil
12:56<DasUberJohan>u tomboy Depends libgmime2.2-cil (>= 2.2.20)
12:57<dbldtx>DasUberJohan; Good luck with it. I said I was going to go back to Squeeze when this whole Squeeze+nVidia thing cleared up ~ and it has, but I'm still on Lenny. The Lenny that I dist-downgraded to because of the exact problem you're having + a special architecture related problem. I'm going to go drive 60 miles to pick up some fan-mounting hardware. FML. Good luck!
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12:58<DasUberJohan>dbltx what?
12:58<jordanm>DasUberJohan: apt-cache policy mono-gac
12:59<DasUberJohan>http://paste.debian.net/79095/
12:59<jordanm>DasUberJohan: downgrade that package to the current lenny version
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13:00<jordanm>then try to install your tomboy package again
13:00<DasUberJohan>apt-get uninstall libmime2.2-cil
13:00<dbldtx>DasUberJohan; Nevermind. There used to be a dpkg #debian Squeeze+nVidia factoid with special instructions ~ the bugs have since been cleared up, and the method you're using to install nVidia on Squeeze is MUCH easier than the only ways it was possible 2 months ago.
13:01<DasUberJohan>and then do an apt-get install?
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13:01<DasUberJohan>i'm on lenny dbldtx XD
13:01<dbldtx>sudo apt-get remove --purge libmime2.2-cil
13:01<DasUberJohan>E: Couldn't find package libmime2.2-cil
13:01<DasUberJohan>i don't think that's supposed to happen....
13:03<dbldtx>DasUberJohan; Double nevermind, then. I did nVidia GeForce 8400 in Lenny with ease - good luck, out the door, I am late!
13:03<dbldtx>It's supposed to happen via that command because that's not the name of an installed package!
13:03<DasUberJohan>drive safe dbldtx
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13:03<dbldtx>No registration on vehicle. I'll try! X'D
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13:16<DasUberJohan>ah back to the odd but more comfortable 1366x768 display. Does anyone know what style of PPA is compatible with lenny? i'm asking because the ubuntu indicator applet interests me and i'd like to have it.
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13:21<DasUberJohan>The other thing is about gettnig gnome to be above 2.20 since there doesn't seem to be a backport for it, is it a/an Squeeze only thing?
13:22<jordanm>DasUberJohan: debian does not have PPAs. the indicator applet is possible, but application support for it would require that you patch the applications yourself, or rebuild the ubuntu versions
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13:23<jordanm>DasUberJohan: a gnome upgrade would require a migration to a new release.
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13:24<jordanm>DasUberJohan: ubuntu applies patches to upstream software so that it works with their libindicator crap
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13:27<DasUberJohan>ah i was just talking about it so that i could have a one-click get to thing
13:27<DasUberJohan>and that's sad about gnome
13:28<DasUberJohan>since 2.2 does this weird thing with my windows by opening up every new folder i click on in a new window
13:28<DasUberJohan>so i was going to try to upgrade to something newere and i don't want to do a complete distribution upgrade yet due to squeeze being alpha1
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13:30<jordanm>DasUberJohan: you want preferences -> always open in browser window
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13:33<SuperMiguel>im using openbox, how do i change my resolution and set up dual monitor??
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13:36<jordanm>SuperMiguel: nvidia-settings if you have proprietary nvidia. otherwise you will be messing with xinerama or similar
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13:36<jordanm>!dual heal
13:36<jordanm>!dual head
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13:36<jordanm>!xinerama
13:36<dpkg>xinerama is, like, where you have several monitors but only one logical desktop -- XFree86 4.0 and X.org have it! Documentation is available: http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/docs/HOWTO/other-formats/html_single/Xinerama-HOWTO.html , or functionality is provided by randr in recent Xorg drivers, ask me about <randr>.
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13:42<astronut>!twinview
13:42<dpkg>twinview is, like, adding two device sections for the same card in XF86Config-4, adding two monitors, adding two screens, and having a screen layout that uses both. For nvidia twinview ask nvidia twinview
13:43<SuperMiguel>jordanm, i have a intel video card
13:44<bartm>!dualhead
13:44<dpkg>it has been said that dualhead is not a pr0n term, or see <xinerama>
13:44<bartm>lol
13:44<mjt>hm.
13:44<mjt>s/xinerama/xrandr/
13:45<mjt>!xrandr
13:45<dpkg>well, xrandr is a command-line interface to the <RandR> extension; used to set the screen size, orientation and/or reflection. http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/HowToRandR12
13:45<mjt>in modern x dualhead is done using randr, not xinerama
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13:46<jordanm>,version xinerama
13:46<jordanm>,versions xinerama
13:46<judd>Sorry, no package named 'xinerama' was found.
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13:47<bartm>,versions libxinerama
13:47<judd>Sorry, no package named 'libxinerama' was found.
13:47<bartm>,versions libxinerama1
13:47<judd>libxinerama1 -- etch: 1:1.0.1-4.1; lenny: 2:1.0.3-2; sid: 2:1.1-3; squeeze: 2:1.1-3
13:47<simonrvn>judd failwhale
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13:52<SuperMiguel>cant find an option to set dual monitors inside xrandr
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13:58<SuperMiguel>nvm
13:58<SuperMiguel>got it
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13:58<SuperMiguel>thanks guys
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15:00<jay_>hello, does anyone know where does iceweasel save its temporary internet files?
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15:03<pavi>jay_, same place as firefox . Its in .mozilla folder in your home directory
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15:04<E0x>i am looking for the usb image of the debian installer
15:04<E0x>but the url that give the page is empty
15:04<bartm>E0x: which page?
15:05<E0x>http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/
15:05<E0x>"other images (netboot, usb stick, floppy, etc)"
15:05<E0x>http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/main/installer-i386/current/images/
15:05<E0x>just a few manifest
15:05<jay_>pavi, thanks a lot dude :-)
15:05<E0x>none .img file
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15:10<jordanm>E0x: you wanted netboot/
15:10<mase>thereISAIMG.GZINTHE HD-MEDIAFOLDER
15:10<jordanm>I believe the install guide directly linked one of the location
15:10<mase>hups,sorry
15:10<E0x>jordanm: i was looking for a .img file ready to write to the usb stick
15:10<jordanm>!usb install
15:10<dpkg>Yes, it is possible to install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch04s03 . To download USB stick images, ask me about <install debian>. https://launchpad.net/win32-image-writer/+download to prepare from Windows. BIOS can't boot from USB? Use http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager.html
15:10<jordanm>E0x: I know what you looking for
15:11<mase>there is a img.gz file in the hd-media folder
15:11<jordanm>E0x: http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/main/installer-i386/current/images/hd-media/
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15:12<E0x>ok
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15:30<E0x>jordanm: cool , just need dump the boot.img to the usb stick and copy some iso file with installs files
15:30<E0x>netinstall iso or bussinescard iso
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15:41<Wind>bonsoir tout le monde :)
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15:55<cesurasean1>"error: fd0 read error. error: out of disk. Entering rescue mode" - this happens when i boot my server. anyone have an idea as to what the problem is?
15:55<mase>cesurasean1 is it a grub message?
15:56<cesurasean1>yes
15:57<mase>cesurasean1 oha, never had that. i would start by connecting the disk to another computer in order to backup your data first
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15:57<mase>(stupid answer, i know)
15:58<cesurasean1>mase, I'm not worried about backing up data. I just want this fixed.
15:58<mase>can you boot maually in the rescue mode?
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15:59<qq->cesurasean, try #grub on irc.freenode.net
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15:59<eoliva>Hi...does anybody here once had a problem with knotify from KDE under gnome, like the messages that should appear in the message window, does not appear?
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16:03<jeff_>don't know what's happining here. i'm new to all this linux stuff
16:04<craigevil>cesurasean1: check the BTS
16:04<cesurasean1>craigevil, what am i checking the BTS for, exactly?
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16:05<craigevil>whichever grub you are using grub-legacy or grub-pc if you are using grub2
16:05<jeff_>what's the BTS?
16:05<craigevil>!BTS
16:05<dpkg>Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges
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16:10<cesurasean1>I don't think grub is the issue. I think I'm having some type of hardware failure.
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16:15<qq->remove fd0 then
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16:16<cesurasean1>I removed the cdrom, and one of hard drives out of the array, and now it seems to almost boot fine.
16:17<cesurasean1>Could this be a bios issue?
16:17<cesurasean1>If so, how exactly do you update such an old bios? Would it be smart to do so?
16:17<cesurasean1>Right now it's stuck at checking quotas, and hasn't moved any.
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16:18<jazzmans>Hi All! how can I send a fax with only a high speed internet connection using sid?
16:18<jazzmans>!fax
16:18<dpkg>Well, apperantly the fax was concieved of by Napoleon Bonaparte. He commissioned a system of devices that could transmit a traced image electrically over telegraph lines to a remote device that would redraw the image identically. See also <hylafax>.
16:18<jazzmans>!hylafax
16:18<dpkg>HylaFAX is a telecommunication system for UNIX systems, allowing facsimiles to be sent and received. Packaged for Debian as hylafax-server and hylafax-client. http://wiki.debian.org/HylaFax http://www.hylafax.org/content/FAQ #hylafax on irc.freenode.net.
16:19<qq->cesurasean, usually a old kernel issue , uname - r , says ?
16:21<cesurasean1>I can't uname.
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16:21<cesurasean1>I'm thinking it's the hard drive controller.
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16:23<mase>cesurasean1 are you stuck in initrd?
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16:26<cesurasean1>no, it won't boot at all. i removed the other drive, and cdrom, and now it's booting.
16:26<cesurasean1>i put the hard drive on the 2nd IDE channel, and so that tells me the 1st channel is fucked.
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16:29<mase>cesurasean1 but your grub.cfg is working with Id's and not with "direct" drive names like (hd0,0)?
16:30<mase>cesurasean1 (same for /etc/fstab)
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16:49<cesurasean>mase, I was able to boot fine on the 2nd IDE controller.
16:49<cesurasean>it seems the 1st one has died on me. :(
16:49<cesurasean>or the cable is bad
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16:50<cesurasean>I just found a cable in my closet as well. This should tell me if the IDE is broken for sure! :)
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16:54<cesurasean>Ok, now it's looking more like a cable issue. It's booting on the primary now with a new cable. :)
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17:01<geoff>I am getting Could not download all repository indexes from synaptic. http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/main/binary-i386/Packages: 404 Not Found
17:02<jordanm>geoff: etch is no longer supported and was moved to the archives
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17:02<jordanm>geoff: see: /topic
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17:03<geoff>Should I remove 'deb http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian etch main ' from my sources.list?
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17:04<bja>geoff: you should upgrade to a newer release
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17:05*bja remembers he has several etch machines still running
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17:07<geoff>Thanks bja, but I have only recently moved to Debian Lenny.
17:07<bja>then comment out the etch stuff and you should be fine
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17:13<geoff>OK - I'll go with that thanks!
17:13<bja>np
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17:14<bja>How do i make screen changes persistent on lxde?
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17:16<bja>!pie locklace
17:16*dpkg hits locklace in the face with a cream pie
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17:23<bja>Did pentium 4 came with two cores? I came across a machine which cat /proc/cpuinfo displays processor: 0 an processor: 1. Can this be wrong?
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17:26<cthuluh>bja: there were pentium 4 with hyperthreading
17:27<bja>cthuluh: How do i know if it is hyperthreading and not a dual core? or Two processors on this piece of metal?
17:27<will>it means /proc/cpuinfo displays logic cores?
17:27<cthuluh>will: yes
17:27<cthuluh>bja: I don't know if there is a way
17:28<will>good to know
17:28<cthuluh>reboot and open the BIOS
17:28<bja>Never mind will did the right question
17:28<retrospectacus>bja: I have that - http://paste.debian.net/79116/
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17:28<retrospectacus>sez cpu cores: 1 on both
17:29<bja>retrospectacus: sorry no web around
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17:29<cthuluh>bja: well, you don't have your answer
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17:29<retrospectacus>bja... orly? Irc only?
17:29<cthuluh>cat /proc/cpuinfo can not tell you whether they are logical or physical cores
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17:31<will>this thing should concern only Intel processors since there's not hyperthreading on AMD ones
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17:32<retrospectacus>well my true quad-core server has cpu cores: 4 in each section. My P4 w/HT says cpu cores: 1 in each section
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17:32<will>o_O
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17:36<will>Pentium quad core really?
17:36<retrospectacus>P4 w/HT: http://paste.debian.net/79116/ quad-core Xeon: http://paste.debian.net/79118/
17:36<cesurasean>I booted one of my machines, and now the hard drive doesn't seem to be part of RAID.
17:37<cesurasean>how do I check and see if the hard drive even exists on the system?
17:37<bja>retrospectacus: checking the bios it says hyperthreading enabled
17:37<cesurasean>I'm using software raid
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17:38<bja>cesurasean: fdisk -l should tell you what hdd you have on your machine
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17:38<cesurasean>it doesn't look like the hard drive is active. :/
17:39<will>retrospectacus: it seems the X3360 doesn't support Hyperthreading
17:40<will>then 4 physical cores imply 4 logic cores
17:42<retrospectacus>no, hyperthreading was thrown out when they came out with true dual cores
17:42<retrospectacus>I'm not sure who is asking what, exactly here, just thought I'd throw that data out there..
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17:43<will>from your data /proc/cpuinfo displays logic cores
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17:44<will>in fact i don't think software can detect any physical core with some kind of database
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17:45<bja>retrospectacus: i just saw your cpuinfo, very similar to what i found on that piece of metal
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17:45<will>s/with/without/
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17:47<cthuluh>bja: did you check whether dual core pentium 4 had existed or not? :)
17:48<cthuluh>it seems that they didn't exist
17:48<cthuluh>anyway, HT is crap. useless
17:48<bja>cthuluh: why so ?
17:48<cthuluh>there is a significant overhead
17:49<cthuluh>try to find some benchmarks
17:49<cesurasean>Can someone look at my fstab, and tell me why one of my hard drives is not included in the raid config? It seems something has changed.... http://pastebin.com/ytX3130x/
17:49<will>there's always a lack of performance in managing multi-core CPU
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17:51<cesurasean>How do I add device hdc to my raid?
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17:52<cesurasean>I'm pretty sure it's hdc, but I don't know if it's hdc5, or hdc1. I'm not able to mount hdc1, nor hdc5.
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17:58<deref>Hi, I'm having issues trying to install debian on a box with an intel bios raid0. The lenny installation reconizes the drives but sees the two drives as separate which will overwrite the windows partition. The squeeze installation does not even detect the drives existing and prompts for me to select a driver (which none work).
17:59<deref>The exact intel device reads: Intel(R) ICH8R/ICH9R/ICH10R/DO/5 Series/3400 Series SATA RAID Controller
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18:00<deref>It also seems these two devices have some play with this setup: "JMicron JMB36X Controller" and "Silicon Image SiI 3132 SATALink Controller"
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18:02<bja>cthuluh: I'll look for them
18:02<deref>...My thought is because this box is so new, the correct drivers might not be distributed in Debian stable or testing yet. I can't figure out what driver I need though. I was thinking if I could get the correct driver I could modprobe it from the installation command line.
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18:02<murb>deref: can you tell the bios to put it into AHCI mode?
18:02<murb>if it isn't already.
18:03<murb>Intel sata stuff now days is quite good in generally being AHCI.
18:03<deref>murb: that was going to be my final solution, but won't that wipe my windows installation which is currently installed over the software raid?
18:05<deref>murb: I was hoping to work towards a final solution that I could post online to help anyothers who would like to see this work. Any ideas?
18:06<murb>deref: well look at dmraid
18:06<murb>although the last time i had to use it was to rescue a clients windows installation..
18:06<murb>dmraid -c or something should if it recongnises the metadata create device mappings for the soft raid.
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18:07<deref>I saw on a debian wiki appending the boot string with: dmraid=true. That didn't seem to change anything. Is that what you're refering to or is "dmraid" a program which I should run in the installation cli?
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18:09<bja>What would be a good testbench for pentium processors?
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18:12<jhutchins_lt>bja: Eh? A compatible motherboard?
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18:14<bja>jhutchins_lt: well i came across this pentium machines and for what i have learned, ht is not so good. I was planning on comparing the performance of the same machine with and without ht
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18:15<jhutchins_lt>bja: Pretty esoteric. You'll want to search for benchmarking programs.
18:15<jhutchins_lt>bja: I'm sure the question's been answered pretty well already.
18:16<bja>jhutchins_lt: yes i know but i need the hard facts. You know how things are
18:16<jordanm>bja: timed compiling of binutils can make for decent benchmarks
18:16<jhutchins_lt>Yes, some people have too much time on their hands.
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18:25<nathan>hii, i have a problem : when i install libpq by packages manager, my postgresql-8.4 package already installed is removed
18:25<nathan>so : anyone know why?
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18:28<dondelelcaro>nathan: you're installing a version of libpq that conflicts with whatever postgresql-8.4 requires, most likely
18:28<dondelelcaro>nathan: is there any reason why you're explicitely installing libpq?
18:29<julian>Someone can help me? debian recognizes my records but not mounted.
18:29<nathan>dondelelcaro, yeah, to get postgresql includes
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18:29<nathan>i haven't them by installing only postgresql-8.4
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18:30<dondelelcaro>nathan: so install libpq-dev; why do you need them, though?
18:30<bja>nathan: what release are you running?
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18:30<bja>afaik 8.4 is testing
18:31<nathan>dondelelcaro, that s what i done
18:31<nathan>install libpq-dev
18:31<nathan>bja, 8.4
18:31<dondelelcaro>nathan: then you've got the headers, assuming you're installing the version from testing.
18:31<dondelelcaro>nathan: but why do you want the headers in the first place?
18:31<nathan>to use the C API
18:31<dondelelcaro>nathan: for what?
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18:32<nathan>dondelelcaro, to develop postgresql-managment-based app
18:32<julian>debian recognize my disc but not mount ntfs .. someone can tell me why? or as a manual mount?
18:33<nathan>dondelelcaro, i followed the officiel libpq C manual
18:33<nathan>and i'm sure i need them
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18:33<dondelelcaro>nathan: ok; if you give us the output of apt-cache policy libpq-dev postgresql-8.4 libpq5; it'll become clear what your problem is
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18:35<nathan>dondelelcaro, http://pastebin.com/spam.php?i=ktc3DY91
18:36<nathan>woops
18:36<nathan>maybe better : http://pastebin.com/spam.php?i=ktc3DY91
18:37<dondelelcaro>nathan: you're using pinning and mixing testing and stable; this is fundamentally broken
18:37<bja>!tell nathan about pieces
18:37<dondelelcaro>nathan: you should be using backports instead
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18:37<nathan>dondelelcaro, i use a source.list and preference files given on the debian forum
18:37<dondelelcaro>nathan: that said, you need to install the version of libpq5 and libpq-dev from squeeze.
18:38<dondelelcaro>nathan: well, whoever gave it to you was an idiot
18:38<dondelelcaro>it's certainly something that can be done, but it's not something you want to do without understanding why it can cause this very problem
18:39<dondelelcaro>the correct solution is to add a lenny-backports sources.list entry, and install postgresql-8.4 from there, *not* from testing
18:39<nathan>maybe
18:39<jhutchins_lt>nathan: THere are people who do that and claim they never have problems, but it's not recommended, it's not a good idea for non-experts, and it's pretty much impossible to get help if something messes up.
18:39<nathan>so, what i have to do now?
18:39<nathan>han, ok...
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18:40<dondelelcaro>nathan: have you installed anything else from testing? or just postgresql-8.4?
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18:40<nathan>but which release i should use?
18:40<jhutchins_lt>nathan: Roll back to the backup from before you used that source list?
18:40<jhutchins_lt>nathan: You should use stable, at least until you're VERY comfortable with how debian does things.
18:41<nathan>jhujhiti, i use this sources list since the start of my debby
18:41<jhutchins_lt>nathan: You should use stable if the server will be "production" or public.
18:41<nathan>ok
18:41<jhutchins_lt>nathan: You can use testing once you understand debian pretty well, and how to find and fix problems, and want to help find and resolve bugs.
18:42<nathan>i'm a beginner in Debian
18:42<jhutchins_lt>nathan: Sable then.
18:42<jhutchins_lt>nathan: It's not cutting edge, but VERY reliable.
18:42<nathan>i will reinstall and use stable
18:43<nathan>thanks for reveal
18:43<nathan>:D
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20:32<cesurasean>How do I downgrade my glib? Seems Amanda has problems with the newer version released with debian.
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20:32<abrotman>in lenny?
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20:33<cesurasean1>abrotman, yes, in lenny.
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20:33<cesurasean1>I'm getting this error message when running Amanda "ERROR:glib-util.c:48:glib_init: assertion failed: (!g_thread_supported())"
20:34<cesurasean>How would I go about fixing that issue?
20:34<cesurasean>upgrading or downgrading glib?
20:35<abrotman>which versions of amanda/libc6 ?
20:36<cesurasean>Amanda version 2.6.1p2
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20:38<cesurasean>abrotman, can you offer a suggestion as what i should do at this point?
20:38<cesurasean>im using squeeze, not lenny, sorry.
20:38<cesurasean>whoops
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20:43<abrotman>check the BTS?
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20:46<cesurasean>I don't think there's anything on the BTS about Amanda. This isn't the version installed with Debian, anyway.
20:46<cesurasean>How would I downgrade those libraries?
20:47<abrotman>so where did you get it?
20:48<cesurasean>I fixed the issue by upgrading Amanda
20:48<cesurasean>nevermind
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20:59<Raven>o.o
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21:13<vinicius>my system won't boot after compiling a 2.6.32 kernel and generating the initrd, it only displays the blank screen... no promt... nothing... what can be happening?
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21:21<jmad980>something is wrong apparently :), you have a older kernel to fallback to?
21:21<jmad980>err
21:21<jmad980>n/m
21:21<jmad980>XD
21:21*jmad980 was wondering why he couldn't tab complete that :p
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22:02<hector>hello i need help for install nvidia fx5200 in squezee but i can install them
22:02<hector>i install module asistant
22:02<craigevil>!tell hector about nvidia
22:03<hector>i can install the headers
22:03<hector>of my kernel
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22:04<hector>my kernel is 2.6.32-trunk-686
22:04<hector>i can find these headers kernel
22:04<craigevil>hector: trunk was removed upgrade or install a new kernel
22:04<hector>thatas is te firs
22:05<hector>i install for net install
22:06<hector>yesterday
22:06<dvs>hector: get a new kernel first, preferably 2.6.32-5-686
22:06<hector>hum...
22:06<zobel>hector: you want to install a different kernel. 2.6.32-5-686
22:06<hector>is to long?
22:07<dvs>hector: trunk was never meant to be.
22:07<hector>i see when i install nvidia-glx
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22:08<hector>him install or say obout a kernel 2.6.32+27
22:08<hector>+-
22:08<hector>i remember
22:09<abrotman>hector: aptitude install linux-image-686 .. boot the -5- kenrel, then remove the -trunk- kernel
22:09<hector>verga herm,ano dame un chance para entender
22:11<hector>i use aptitude for seek and install the kernel_
22:11<hector>but how i decide what kernel use
22:11<hector>____?????
22:11<hector>the last_?
22:12<hector>the number most high
22:13<hector>or are a one method for select the kernel?
22:13<hector>iam sorry for my english
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22:13<abrotman>-trunk- is old .. the bootloader chooses the wrong one, choose the -5-, boot that, then remove the -trunk- so it is no longer confused
22:14<hector>ok
22:14<dvs>hector: as I said before, trunk was never meant to be.
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22:17<hector>in aptitude only seek the kernel of i want?
22:18<abrotman>did you boot the new kernel yet?
22:18<SuperMiguel>I have a NAS, running samba, i keep mount it with the mount command every time my system starts.. is there a way to make it get mounted automatically???
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22:19<hector>and how i setup thats only for aptitude?
22:21<abrotman>SuperMiguel: please stop asking both networks
22:21<abrotman>hector: huh?
22:22<hector>i see want i have install
22:22<abrotman>i told you a few times what to do
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22:22<hector>and i have install linux-base
22:23<hector>linux-headers-2.6-686
22:23<SuperMiguel>abrotman, i put this command mount -t smbfs -o username=super,password=Miguel //192.168.0.2/Volume_1 /mnt/NAS/ in my fstab and didnt mount it
22:23<hector>linux-headers-2.6.32-5-686
22:24<hector>linux-headers-2.6.32-5-common
22:24<blarson>SuperMiguel: You can add commands to /etc/rc.local
22:24<abrotman>SuperMiguel: i answered you on the other network
22:24<hector>linux-image-2.6.-686
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22:25<SuperMiguel>abrotman, u said yes...
22:25<abrotman>that was the answer
22:25<abrotman>i'm really not going to discuss it on this network
22:25<hector>linux-image-2.6.32-5-686
22:25<allan`>hello good morning
22:26<hector>thats i have installed on my linux
22:26<hector>but i run uname -r
22:26<allan`>im trying to add a user shell.how to monitor the user's activity to my box?
22:26<abrotman>hector: what does 'uname -r' say right now ?
22:27<hector>say linux-headers-2.6.32-5-686
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22:27<hector>say 2.6.32.trunk-686
22:27<hector>how i change thats
22:28<dvs>hector: reboot
22:28<abrotman>i told you to reboot the machine, select the -5- kernel, then remove the -trunk- kernel. Installing your nvidia driver will NOT work until you at least do that
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22:28<hector>boot i don do it anthing in my kernels i only see what i have installed in synaptics
22:28*abrotman gives up
22:28<hector>but***
22:30<hector>i come back in one moment i reeboot the system
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22:31<na5uta-work>somenone have tested gnash in the last time?
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22:32<router>hello
22:33<bja>hello
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22:37<hector>i come back
22:37<abrotman>hector: what does 'uname -r' say right now ?
22:38<hector>in the grub apear trunk and the normal 686
22:38<hector>2.6.32-5-686
22:40<hector>now saY 2.6.32-5-686
22:41<hector>what i do now?
22:41<dvs><abrotman> i told you to reboot the machine, select the -5- kernel, then remove the -trunk- kernel. Installing your nvidia driver will NOT work until you at least do that
22:43<router>If I use RedHat at my company could I replace it with Debian as an Enterprise OS?
22:43<hector>how i remove the trunk kernel?
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22:44<hector>i select the 3 kernel
22:44<hector>and was 2.6.32-5-686
22:44<hector>i unstallin for the grub?
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22:44<na5uta-work>what is the different between trunk and normal?
22:45<hector>or i follow a step for thats
22:45<hector>trunk dont have headers in the repositories
22:47<na5uta-work>ah, okay. thanks
22:48<bja>router: There is a big difference between red hat and debian. The most important is the support you get. Red hat == enterprise Debian == comunity, which is the one you fell more comfortable with?
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22:49<hector>sudo dpkg -l | grep linux-image
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22:52<abrotman>na5uta-work: trunk was a highly volatile kernel .. it probably shouldn't have reached testing, but oh well
22:52<router>:bja I love using Debian. I have not used Redhat but I do have centos. I was wondering if people use it for their businesses.
22:53<abrotman>i do
22:53<abrotman>lots of people do .. there's even a page on debian.org about it
22:53<router>abrotman: I'll have to check that out.
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22:54<abrotman>router: http://www.debian.org/users/
22:54<abrotman>router: no idea how up to date that is
22:54<abrotman>router: also realize that many companies may not advertise their preferred linux distro
22:55<dondelelcaro>new companies get added all the time to that list, but we don't really remove old ones
22:55<dondelelcaro>(unless they tell us, anyway)
22:57<router>Thanks for the help you guys/girls. I have to shutdown now. I have to wake up early tomorrow.
22:57<bja>router: i use debian for other people businesses and for my own also. It has yet to let me down.
22:57<hector>abrotman i installing everything i have really happy
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22:58<abrotman>hector: good .. i think .. :)
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23:03<hector>the kernel is compiling!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
23:04<hector>how i compiling my kernel?
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23:04<bja>!congratulate hector
23:04<dpkg>Good show hector, you did it!
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23:04<hector>a hand_?
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23:05<hector>the compiling is with module-asistant
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23:07<hector>when thats finish i installing but i want touch with my hands and compiling thats
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23:10<allan`>how to monitor my users activity?
23:10<allan`>how to monitor what they type on my box ?
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23:13<dr|z3d>allan`: stand behind them and look over their shoulder.
23:13<allan`>they are far away
23:13<dr|z3d>Buy a pair of binoculars, then.
23:13*dr|z3d winks.
23:14<bja>!beer dr|z3d
23:14*dpkg pours a litre of Piraat for dr|z3d
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23:14<bja>allan`: what are you looking for?
23:15<dr|z3d>He wants a keylogger or somesuch, I believe.
23:15<dr|z3d>Or maybe just bash logs..
23:15<allan`>bja : the commands they type.i trusted them but i still need what they do
23:16<allan`>the history
23:16<dr|z3d>allan`: that'll be their bash logs you're after, probably.
23:16<hector>abrotman the process is idle in the terminal but i press f5 and everything runing more fast and say finish and install but is normaly thats?
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23:17<allan`>dr|z3d: pico bash.history is not working
23:17<bja>allan`: ps -AF will give you all the programs running on a system users and all. Then taking a look into their bash logs would give you extra info
23:17<bja>allan`: pico .bash_history
23:17<allan`>oh ok thanks :)
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