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00:28<narayan>sup
00:29<Guest1721>Hi, got eror in squeeze AMD64 update w/ python tonight. Hook to linux-support-2.6.30-2. "ln -s linux-support-2.6.32-5 linux-support-2.6.30-2" fixed the issue
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01:23<d3co>!hi
01:23<dpkg>hello, d3co
01:24<d3co>hey I need to upgrade mysql~~
01:24<d3co>mysql
01:25<d3co>aptitude safe-upgrade mysql-server
01:25<d3co>E: The safe-upgrade command takes no arguments
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01:25<d3co>"arguments" ??
01:27<d3co>some one?
01:30<jm_>man aptitude and learn that the way to upgrade a package list requires use of the 'install' parameter
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01:31<d3co>I get it
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01:38<sean>whats the difference between standard and gnome desktop iso
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01:43<jm_>!cd contents
01:43<dpkg>[The searchable index is unavailable as of 2010-06-07] To find out what is on what disk, use the searchable index at http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/#search or download the .jigdo template from the same location and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the disk.
01:44<sean>what is the difference between standard livecd and gnome desktop livecd
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01:55<chealer>sean: standard doesn't contain GNOME
01:55<sean>so there is no desktop?
01:56<chealer>sean: right
01:56<sean>thx
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02:02<ddalton>hey guys, how can I make my current usb version of debian live persistant over reboot?
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02:31<lezginchik>Âñåì ïðèâåò.î÷åíü íàäåþñü ÷òî èç ñòîëüêèõ ëþäåé çäåñü, êòî òî çíàåò ðóññêèé
02:31<lezginchik>Ó ìåíÿ âîïðîññ íà ñ÷¸ò äåáèàíà
02:31<lezginchik>êòîíèáóäü ìîæåò ïîìî÷ü ?
02:33<lezginchik>ó ìåíÿ Íîóòáóê Hp compag 6720 â ñïèñêå ïîääåðæèâàåìûõ íà ñàéòå ïðîâåðÿë, åãî íåòó íî ïîõîæèå ñ íèì ìîäåëè åñòü. êòî çíàåò? ïîéä¸ò íà ìîé íîóò ýòà ñèñòåìà?
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02:35<lezginchik>hi people. can you help me?
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02:48<jm_>apparently not
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03:32<zoki>hello
03:32<zoki>I was wondering now that flash 64bit is no longer supported
03:33<zoki>how can I use it on my 64bit Debian?
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03:33<dr|z3d>zoki: You can install 32bit with a wrapper.
03:34<dr|z3d>Or I guess you can install directly from Adobe..
03:35<zoki>what I don't get is why Debian would remove the previous version that was working on amd64
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03:35<muep>zoki: Debian did not distribute the plugin at all, only an installer for it
03:35<dr|z3d>I'm not privvy to those decisions.
03:35<blarson>zoki: it had security problems
03:35<muep>zoki: the installer would not work after adobe removed the plugin from its servers
03:35<pyrokamileon>does anyone know why nautilus will list extra partitions but won't mount them?
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03:37<zoki>thx, so workaround it is
03:38<pyrokamileon>are you guys talking about 64bit flash?
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03:39<zoki>pyrokamileon: yes
03:40<DasUberJohan>ok for some reason as of late, i'm getting some extremely high dns lookups right now here's a dig towards google.com http://pastebin.com/B38wJCxb
03:41<pyrokamileon>well I missed the whole conversation so me not knowing anything about flash might be a problem... but I just set up my system and downloaded it from this link http://nxadm.wordpress.com/2009/04/26/install-64-bit-adobe-flash-player-on-ubuntu-904/
03:42<pyrokamileon>it seems to work fine for me, I just caught installer won't work after adobe removed the plugin so...
03:42<zoki>pyrokamileon: Adobe is not supporting 64bit flash player anymore
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03:43<zoki>and with updating my system I did not have flashplugin
03:43<zoki>but I got it solved now - in case u need it: http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer
03:44<pyrokamileon>yeah that's what I heard, but I also heard a lot of people were having problems with the wrapped 32bit plugin so when I found it on that site I figured I'd use it till something better came along
03:45<pyrokamileon>so I just installed Lenny and the gnome desktop and even though nautilus will recognize I have other partitions on my HDD it won't let me mount them
03:45<pyrokamileon>is there a fix for that? or do I have to do it all manually?
03:47<DasUberJohan>holy cheetoes
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03:47<DasUberJohan>it's my isp's dns
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03:47<DasUberJohan>rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 1292.279/1445.169/1527.141/108.203 ms, pipe 2
03:47<DasUberJohan>that's just wow
03:48<AyRh0nS>hello
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03:51<jarlaxe>hi everyone. i do have a pb with a squeeze on a 1000He. syst is installed on a 10GB part, parted says there's only a few MB free. If i check directories manualy, I arrive to a total of 4GB Max. I tried resize2fs, it says it's already at the minimum size. Any idea ?
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03:55<dr|z3d>jarlaxe: Sorry, what are you trying to do?
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03:56<jarlaxe>dr|z3d: i try to have free space on the part: to fix the system at a normal 4GB around. The system arrive to this tricky size since the install
03:57<dr|z3d>jarlaxe: If you can bleachbit installed, that might help. Also localepurge will free up a few mbs.
03:58<dr|z3d>jarlaxe: And try uninstalling anything non-essential, too.
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04:00<jarlaxe>dr|z3d: i did localepurge, as clean and autoclean. I installed a lxde, and i already "not installed" a lot of things. But if i collect all informations from /var, /usr, /etc, etc... i already arrived to 4GB max
04:00<jarlaxe>dr|z3d: what is bleachbit installed ?
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04:01<dr|z3d>Your question makes no sense, jarlaxe.
04:01<dr|z3d>What are you asking me?
04:01<dr|z3d>What is bleachbit? It's a UI-based crap cleaner..
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04:02<dr|z3d>,versions bleachbit
04:02<judd>bleachbit -- sid: 0.8.0-1; squeeze: 0.8.0-1
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04:02<jarlaxe>dr|z3d: to shrink a "virtually" full space that is not suppose to be.
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04:02*dr|z3d is none the wiser.
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04:03<jarlaxe>i check bleachbit.
04:09<cthuluh>10GB is enormous for a LXDE install
04:09<jarlaxe>hum ... i can't install it : no space left. I tried to do it by chroot from another syst, it doesn't work. But anyway, the problem is not to many space used by files which give in fact 4GB filling max.
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04:09<cthuluh>jarlaxe: how much does df -h give you?
04:09<jarlaxe>cthuluh: that's the point ! the install is 4GB only.
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04:10<dr|z3d>Can anyone recommend a ui based disk monitoring tool for disk i/o?
04:10<jarlaxe>cthuluh: it gives me 9.6G used on 9,6G
04:10<dr|z3d>ncurses would also do.
04:11<dr|z3d>*ncurses-based
04:11<cthuluh>iotop
04:11<jarlaxe>cthuluh: but i say again, it suppose to give 4G maximum
04:11<cthuluh>yes
04:12<cthuluh>check the sizes or /root directory, with du -sh /root
04:12<cthuluh>size*
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04:12<jm_>dr|z3d: I use gkrellm
04:12<jarlaxe>cthuluh: 44k
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04:13<jm_>but other than that, iotop or atop both support per-app display
04:13<cthuluh>ok jarlaxe , no need to tell me if it's only 44k ;)
04:13<jarlaxe>cthuluh: ok ^^ he he, so "nothing" !
04:14<cthuluh>jarlaxe: do the same for each top level directory. scan /etc, /usr and /var at the end
04:14<cthuluh>(since you know they are not in cause)
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04:14<jarlaxe>cthuluh: i already did : the total gives 4GB max
04:14<cthuluh>did you do that with /lib, /boot, etc?
04:15<dr|z3d>jm_: Ah, right.. I guess that would work after a fashion.. I was looking for something more specific, mind, something that tags the activity to a given process..
04:16<jm_>dr|z3d: yeah, see above - iotop/atop
04:16<jarlaxe>cthuluh: yes. with each directory
04:17<dr|z3d>jm_: Ah, missed that. Thanks. :)
04:17<dr|z3d>cthuluh: Thanks, too!
04:18<cthuluh>you're welcome
04:21<cthuluh>hmmm, jarlaxe I may have an idea
04:21<cthuluh>did your system crash recently?
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04:22<Guest1736>hi
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04:22<dpkg>i heard debhelper is a collection of programs that can be used in debian/rules files to automate common tasks related to building Debian binary packages. For further documentation, see the man pages for dh_* commands. For an overview of debhelper, see the debhelper man page. #debian's eggdrop bot
04:22<jarlaxe>cthuluh: yes. but 1, the system had this size from the install, then i already tried fsck
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04:23<cthuluh>jarlaxe: please paste your partition schema
04:23<cthuluh>scheme, even
04:23<Guest1736>hi, any clue how internal gps device might be named, i mean under /dev?
04:24<Guest1736>!ops
04:24<dpkg>hmm... ops is Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the ops to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban.
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04:24<jm_>Guest1736: it shall mention some stuff in logs
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04:25<jarlaxe>cthuluh: http://debian.pastebin.com/e4RwdQXd
04:26<cthuluh>ok so my guess was wrong :)
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04:27<jarlaxe>cthuluh: i have some warnings ! i paste it
04:28<jarlaxe>cthuluh: http://debian.pastebin.com/QEZA2fbh
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04:29<Guest1736>jm_:i think i shall browse some code to find io
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04:30<cthuluh>jarlaxe: ok, first remember that I'm not the only one here ;)
04:30<cthuluh>jarlaxe: my guess was that you had a problem one day, and that your system didn't mount a partition, say /var. but actually did write in /var (logs may grow really fast)
04:31<cthuluh>so that when you reboot the system, the files that take space are hidden, you only see the "new" /var
04:31<cthuluh>but the files that were written are still there, taking space in the / partition
04:32<jarlaxe>cthuluh: du -sh /var : 186MB
04:32<cthuluh>please paste the output of "mount"
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04:33<jarlaxe>cthuluh: i have to reboot for that : i run on a rescue system. but i could paste it anyway
04:33<se7en>how can i install from a live cd?
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04:36<jm_>se7en: debootstrap
04:38<se7en>jm_: thanks
04:38<jarlaxe>cthuluh: http://debian.pastebin.com/qjb3rPrp , but it is from a chroot
04:38<cthuluh>did you run "mount -a" when in the chroot?
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04:39<cthuluh>jarlaxe: what could be useful is your /etc/fstab, too
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04:40<pavi>epiphany browser on squeeze is damn unstable . Keeps on crashing .. Oh Yeah I am using gnash plugin
04:41<prem>i downgraded my grub from grub-pc to grub-legacy.,but now none of the grub loads and am end up with grub-resuce..
04:41<jarlaxe>cthuluh: fstab : http://debian.pastebin.com/APPYYDLY
04:41<prem>how to restore my grub now..?
04:41<Mortvert>pavi - isn't squeeze in testing?
04:43<prem>..?
04:43<cthuluh>prem: install grub-pc?
04:44<se7en>could someone check that link for me please http://hammurabi.acc.umu.se/debian-cd/5.0.4/i386/iso-cd/debian-504-i386-kde-CD-1.iso it is not working here
04:44<cthuluh>se7en: what about http://hammurabi.acc.umu.se/debian-cd/5.0.5/i386/iso-cd/debian-505-i386-kde-CD-1.iso ?
04:45<prem>cthuluh, i couldnt boot into any partition..how to install grub-pc than..i dont have any other partition installed
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04:45<cthuluh>prem: with a netinstall cd, for example
04:46<pavi>Mortvert, yes in testing . guess I should report bugs .. but unexpected browser crashes are surprising even in debian unstable :)
04:46<se7en>the link from the main site is still pointing to 5.04 cthuluh
04:46<prem>cthuluh, well if thats the only posiiblity then i have to download that image..but is there any way to recover grub from grub-rescue ..?
04:47<cthuluh>that's possible, yes, but I won't be able to help you much
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04:48<se7en>you did already cthuluh :)
04:48<jm_>prem: did you install grub on your disk too?
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04:48<royerdavid>Bonjour
04:48<royerdavid>j'ai un message derreur une personne peut m'aideR?:)
04:48<cthuluh>hello frenchie
04:48<petemc>!fr
04:48<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur irc.oftc.net. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.oftc.net.
04:48<cthuluh>incredible, #debian is not french-speaking!
04:49<Mortvert>!pl
04:49<dpkg>rumour has it, pl is polska -> #debian-pl (on irc.freenode.net). Also, pl is a common extension for perl scripts and is sometimes used as an abbreviation for "packet loss".
04:49<prem>jm_, yes.,i had grub2 installed before and followed http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=50132 this to downgrade
04:49<prem>now end up with no grub but only grub-rescue section
04:50<jm_>prem: how did you call grub-install?
04:52<prem>jm_, as per what ever given in that forum "grub-install /dev/sda1" that particualr partition
04:53<jm_>prem: right, so that's why you don't get GRUB 1.x run by BIOS
04:54<Mortvert>hda1 should it be
04:54<Mortvert>?
04:54<cthuluh>rather /dev/sda
04:54<Mortvert>oh well
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04:55*Mortvert is still green
04:55<prem>ooh.,there is the mistake
04:56<prem>but how can i restore now ..? jm_ cthuluh
04:56<jm_>prem: boot with a rescue medium and fix it
04:56<jm_>!fixmbr
04:56<dpkg>To reinstall <GRUB> simply boot to your Debian install disk, live CD or whatever else you have, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc), then chroot into it (chroot /target) and run "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". Also ask me about <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>.
04:56<Mortvert>>_>
04:56<Mortvert>god, long commands
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04:58<Guest1739>hi
04:58<prem>jm_, no other way without a live CD ..?because this is a 64 bit pc and i have live Cd for 32 bit only
04:58<prem>so cant do a chroot even..
04:58<Mortvert>prem
04:58<Mortvert>do you have amd?
04:58<jm_>prem: well if grub2 is functional enough to chainload use that
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04:58<prem>Mortvert, yes it is amd64
04:59<Guest1739>icr.spacenepal.com/irc #8080
04:59<Mortvert>then it should work with 32bit one o_O
04:59<Guest1739>/r.spacenepal.com/irc #8080
04:59<Mortvert>o_O
04:59<Mortvert>advertising?
04:59*troubled grrrs
04:59<Guest1739>hmmmmmmmmm
04:59<Mortvert>troubled
04:59<Mortvert>calm down
05:00<Mortvert>don't bite another person
05:00*Guest1739 wat happens
05:00<Mortvert>D:
05:00<troubled>O_o
05:00<prem>no Mortvert am getting chroot '/bin/bash/ no such file or directory error when trying to chroot from a 32 bit live to a 64 bit isntalled OS
05:00<jm_>yeah that won't work
05:00*Guest1739 anyone there to help me
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05:01<prem>jm_, am not sure whether grub2 is functional or not.,am getting "welcome grub2" and just after that "grub-rescue>" mode
05:01<prem>an i cant execute the normal "root" "linux" "kernel" none of the commands
05:01<jm_>prem: check if chainloader and boot commands work
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05:02<jm_>prem: are grub modules still there in /boot/grub? can you insmod them?
05:03<Guest1739>#nepal
05:03<Guest1739>huuhuhuhuhuh
05:03<Guest1739>wat iz sthis happening /
05:03<Mortvert>Guest1739, google somethig about IRC
05:04<prem>ooh insmod..i didnt try it jm_ all the grub modules and files are in place
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05:05<jarlaxe> cthuluh: what if i remove and recreate /var ?
05:07<cthuluh>jarlaxe: I would say no
05:08<jarlaxe>cthuluh: ok. i had the same issue at the last install. I reinstalled because of that. should i re-re-reinstall again ? it's very tiring
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05:11<Mortvert> ugh
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05:11<Mortvert>how i can replace .conf files in /etc/?
05:11<Mortvert>i have a conf file i'd like to use
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05:14<Mortvert>>:| can't login as root either
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05:25<Mortvert>question
05:25<Mortvert>what would sudo kill -9 xorg do?
05:26<jm_>hopefully enough damage to not run it again
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05:35<cthuluh>or rather... nothing
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05:40<manuel>hello
05:41<manuel>i can't put my epson stylus color 1520 working
05:41<manuel>cups doesn't detect thw plotter
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05:42<dr|z3d>manuel: Have you tried locating a ppd for the printer?
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05:45<sander_m>Hi. Is anyone familiar with postgresql? A long time ago I installed osm2pgsql to render a few maps from OpenStreetMap. Now I want to install DAViCal (a CalDAV server that uses postgres). Apparently there's a password on postgres. When I su to postgres and execute a psql command I get prompted for a password. I really have no idea what it is. Can I reset it? Or is there some way to simply reinstall all of postgres and get rid of all the data and setti
05:45<sander_m>ngs? I don't need the map database anymore.
05:47<troubled>sander_m: i believe with postgres you can tweak an acl file in /etc/ to say that your host is "trust"ed instead of md5 or a password
05:47<troubled>i dont have an install handy to lookup the filename for you though, sorry
05:48<sander_m>troubled: I know which file it is (/etc/postgres/8.3/main/pg_hba.conf). But there's a warning in there about automatic maintenance by Debian
05:49<troubled>ah, thats the file. im sure you can just tweak it long enough to createuser an account, assuming you dont already have a superuser made
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05:52<manuel>dr|z3d. i used the cup in the web-browser "127.0.0.1:631"
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05:53<manuel>and problem solved
05:53<troubled>from the two-printers-one-cups dept.? ;)
05:53<dr|z3d>manuel: Hmm? Did you locate the ppd, or?
05:55<dr|z3d>manuel: http://www.openprinting.org/printer/Epson/Epson-Stylus_Color_1520
05:55<sander_m>troubled: Thanks.
05:55<troubled>sander_m: get it all figured out then?
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05:56<dr|z3d>manuel: Would seem that the gutenprint drivers give better results..
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05:56<manuel>dr|z3d. no it was automacally detect by the system
05:56<manuel>but in the debian DM no
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06:02<sander_m>troubled: I set the postgres user to "trust". I'll wait and see if cron is going to spit angy e-mails in my direction :-)
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06:02<troubled>:)
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06:04<troubled>sander_m: should be fine though since even if the maintenance tools supply a password (which is still technically right), it will probably just ignore it since its in trust mode. although you might wanna put it back to password at some point on principle
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06:15<vizor>hi, AFAIK deabian is going to use upstart instead of sysvinit is it possible to set up upstart on box with working unstable system?
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06:16<vizor>I mean is it possible to use upstart just doing aptitude install upstart without any headache?
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06:17<troubled>vizor: oh, so debian is going to pick that up as well? was thinking maybe it was just ubuntu going that route
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06:19<vizor>I just read this on some news site
06:20<troubled>cool, ill have to take a look at that then
06:20<jm_>in the mean time simply use parallel init
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06:21<troubled>were they considering upstart for squeeze by chance?
06:22<jm_>for sid AFAIK
06:22<troubled>awesome, I can't wait until sid is released then! ;)
06:23<jm_>well next release then
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06:24<troubled>I was a little miffed at first actually when I heard about ubuntu doing it and wasnt up to date on debian news. so I was concerned they were just going off on their own tangent with an important aspect of debian flavored distros (init system that is)
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06:26<jm_>i just hope it won't be replaced by something like systemd in the next 2-3 years
06:27<troubled>don't know anything about it, but these days I tend to not be surprised. Heck, I just found out about nftables the other day. needless to say I wasn't impressed to know that i will be relearning firewall syntax for a 4th time...
06:27<petemc>nftables looked like vapourware for a while
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06:28<locklace>on the other hand, the iptables code really does suck
06:29<troubled>ohai petemc. well, the news about it i saw was 2009 Q1 I think, so I'm not sure what the status is. im sure it will be for the best though. i gave up and just moved to shorewall myself. Let someone else abstract away the syntax for me
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06:29<locklace>ugh. ferm is much better for that for anyone with any clue
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06:30<troubled>ferm?
06:30<locklace>!ferm
06:30<dpkg>ferm (for Easy Rule Making, pronounced "firm") is a frontend for <iptables> to maintain and set up complicated firewall rules, packaged for Debian. http://ferm.foo-projects.org/ #ferm on irc.freenode.net.
06:30<sheldonh>the netboot.tar.gz that you can download for sid... is the build glue for that thing available?
06:31<troubled>ah, i think I seen that mentioned one bullet point above shorewall in a debian howto actually. ill have to take a looksy
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06:33<mixalis>Does aptitude install reccomeds and suggest packages by default?
06:33<sheldonh>mixalis, i think the answer is yes from lenny onward
06:34<sheldonh>mixalis, um, recommends yes, suggests no, i mean
06:34<troubled>locklace: tbh, i still think I like shorewall better. its more of a "fill in the blanks" approach, where as ferm looks more like a mini language with syntax that isn't much simpler then just doing your own iptables commands in a script. like m4 or something I guess
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06:35<sheldonh>mixalis, just tested, and the answer is no :)
06:35<sheldonh>troubled, i only got into ferm because shorewall didn't support ipv6 at the time. is that a solved problem now?
06:35<mixalis>ok thnx
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06:36<petemc>i still use a big shell script to configure iptables
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06:36<troubled>sheldonh: ah, I don't use ipv6 here. well, it wasn't in etch (other than to add a disable rule), but I dont think its in lenny either. lemmy check
06:36<petemc>iptables -L | wc -l
06:36<petemc>1722
06:37<troubled>i mostly liked shorewall cause of the built in tc at first though
06:38<troubled>sheldonh: according to the website, shorewall 4.2.4+ has ipv6, but lenny only has 4.0. so I guess thats a no still
06:38<locklace>!start a firewall war
06:38<dpkg>OpenBSD's pf *owns* your sorry little ipchains ass.
06:38<sheldonh>troubled, oh well. something to look forward to. i don't love ferm
06:38<sheldonh>LOL
06:39<troubled>not sure whats in squeeze off hand yet, never really been one to follow testing
06:39<sheldonh>dpkg: start a firewall war is FreeBSD' pf *owns* your sorry little ipchains ass.
06:39<dpkg>...but start a firewall war is already something else...
06:39<troubled>speaking of pf/carp. what is the linux equiv of state sharing between linux boxes with VRRP or whatever?
06:39<sheldonh>is it International Irony Day already?
06:40<sheldonh>troubled, you really aren't going to like the answer :)
06:40<troubled>does it involve nftables? :)
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06:42<sheldonh>troubled: maybe there's something better than conntrack-tools now
06:42<troubled>sheldonh: oh btw, looking at squeeze, shorewall 4.4.9 is going to be shipping. so I guess you will have your ipv6 wish soon enough
06:43<sheldonh>troubled: i don't believe you can use the word soon when you're talking about a debian release :P
06:43<troubled>:)
06:43<Mortvert>i guess he meant soon as in future
06:44<Mortvert>but not how long the 'future' will be
06:44<troubled>no worries. its the same word I use to describe my upgrades here as well. *cough* etch servers *cough*
06:44<locklace>soon as in "before you die, maybe"
06:44<Mortvert>maybe?
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06:46<Mortvert>humm
06:46<Mortvert>wine won't wun
06:46<Mortvert>run
06:46<sheldonh>troubled, we just "completed" our lenny upgrade last month. of over 1,200 servers, only 4 are still etch. very happy
06:47<Mortvert>is etch no longer maintained?
06:47<sheldonh>Mortvert, etch no longer enjoys security updates or bugfixes
06:47<troubled>congrats. only 1 etch here. but its a fai bootstrap pointing to lenny, so meh
06:47<sheldonh>troubled, hax :P
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06:47<troubled>sheldonh: :)
06:48<Mortvert>if it doesn't work - crowbar it
06:48<troubled>Mortvert: nah, etch atually moved over to archives mirror recently and was pulled off all the sites. few weeks ago I think
06:48<sheldonh>it's a shame joeyh doesn't hang out in here. it would be insanely rude to hassle him in #ikiwiki :)
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06:48<Mortvert>meh
06:49<Mortvert>ii wonder if there are any MMO games for debian >:3
06:49<sheldonh>runescape
06:49<whirl>Ive installed everything that is suggested here http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=52782&hilit=multimedia#p304074 but still when I try to convert videos in avidemux, watch divx4 with totem or any video with miro it only finds sound or suggests to look for more plugins which it never does. Whats up with this?
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06:49<Mortvert>runescape is not mmo
06:49<sheldonh>or warcraft, although it's a bit slow, framerate-wise
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06:50<whirl>shouldnt w32codecs alone be quite sufficient, I have x264 and all but miro wont play any video nor will totem
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06:51<jm_>whirl: try w32codecs from dmm repository
06:51<whirl>vlc works fine though but Id need these codecs to work so that I could be able to play around with avidemux
06:51<whirl>jm_: yeah thats where got it
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06:52<xx>sa
06:52<sheldonh>jm_: still here, i see. hey man :)
06:52<xx>你们好阿
06:53<jm_>whirl: well I don't know those tools, perhaps check what they depend on
06:54<jm_>sheldonh: yup, how's football?
06:54<sheldonh>jm_: freaky. very, very freaky :)
06:54<amitz>what's the recommended local share folder for python 2.5 in debian squeeze?
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06:55<sheldonh>jm_: i could do without the vuvuzelas, but other than that, it's been good. tourists mostly behaving themselves ;)
06:55<jm_>amitz: I use /usr/local/lib/pythonX.Y/site-packages
06:55<whirl>jm_: that shouldnt be the problem
06:56<jm_>whirl: I meant to find out if there is other stuff to install based on that
06:56<jm_>sheldonh: hehe, a lot of money will be made with anti-vuvuzelas filters ;)
06:57<Mortvert>vuvuzela filters?
06:57<Mortvert>O_o
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06:59<sheldonh>jm_: i'm keen on carrying a horn around with me, like the ones they use at euro football matches. then the next time someone blows a vuvuzela near me, i'll casually walk up and blast the horn at them, with a cheerful "just reciprocating, dude" grin :)
06:59<mixalis>how i can see all installed kernel on my system. i type $ sudo dpkg --list | grep kernel-image but i did not get any out put
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07:00<jurg>mixalis: grep linux-image
07:00<jm_>sheldonh: haha
07:00<jm_>mixalis: you don't need to use sudo for dpkg --list
07:01<amitz>jm_: I used to use that, but latest squeeze update can't find package in that link? I see that my environment variable has no $PYTHONPATH. Is that environment variable suppose to exist?
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07:01<amitz>which used to be able to find packages in that location.
07:01<jm_>amitz: hmm I haven't tried this with squeeze versions yet
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07:01<jm_>amitz: try python -v
07:01<amitz>but $PYTHONPATH should exist right?
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07:02<amitz>got it, it seems the default now is 2.6 instead of 2.5. Thanks!
07:02<jm_>amitz: no that var is not set by default, so that's OK
07:03<jm_>yeah that's why I said pythonX.Y :)
07:03<amitz>I know -_-. I kind of assume it's still searching at python2.5 since the python package numberin is not 2.6 yet.
07:03<Mortvert>:( sadpanda
07:04<amitz>actually, it's already 2.6 . never mind my silliness :-p
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07:05<troubled>O_o
07:05<amitz>oh, and thanks!
07:06<whirl>Ive installed everything that is suggested here http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=52782&hilit=multimedia#p304074 but still when I try to convert videos like xvid in avidemux, watch divx4 with totem or any video with miro it only finds sound or suggests to look for more plugins which it never does. I have installed those plugins, I just checked but still totem cant find em nor can I can find em in avidemux
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07:27<sylar>hi
07:27<sylar>how can I know if my openssl version have a security issue?
07:27<sylar>There was once a problem with it
07:29<troubled>you mean like ssh-vulnkey? or knowing if you have the latest version installed?
07:30<sylar>I don't have latest, since that computer is off the grid
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07:30<sylar>so, just know if there is the ssh-vulnkey
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07:33<troubled>sylar: maybe try google "debian cve ssh-vulnkey". some of those links should help you figure out what versions were affected and how to check
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07:34<jm_>you can compare your version against the latest for your release, see http://packages.debian.org/
07:34<troubled>if you can get the latest/last ssh for your release though, you can just remake your keys
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07:43<BonZo>hi
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07:52<Studiosus>Is there any restrictions on what mail server one can use for posting to Debian lists? For example, will debian-user list accept email from yandex.ru?
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07:56<whirl>Afraid this will look like spamming but I need videos to my cowon D2, long trip ahead of me ;) Ive installed all the codecs suggested in here http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=52782 but still avidemux doesnt have the xvid encoding possibility nor does totem play xvid files although VLC of course works well. So, is there any guru that might know whats happening here, why isnt the divx codec working?
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08:14<BonZo>whirl: you installed w32codecs too?
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08:15<sheldonh>is there something i can do in /etc/initramfs-tools to cause additional binaries to be included in the initrd (either directly or inside the busybox)?
08:16<jm_>sheldonh: you can call your own scripts
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08:18<whirl>BonZo: yeah I did
08:18<sheldonh>jm_: hmmm... i'm trying to replace ipconfig with either dhclient or pump, because ipconfig doesn't seem to ask for enough stuff (missing PXE bits in request). but i'm trying to do all this with build infrastructure that i can leave for the next poor sap who comes along
08:19<whirl>I posted at the help section too http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=53294
08:19<jm_>sheldonh: you can put hook scripts in /etc/initramfs-tools/foo - see the man page, this is probably the best option
08:19<cthuluh>doesn't PXE mean Preboot eXecution Environment?
08:19<sheldonh>jm_, i don't see how more scripts will help me -- no matter how i script interaction with ipconfig, it doesn't interact well with my dhcp server
08:19<cthuluh>why would you need PXE when the initramfs has been unpacked
08:19<sheldonh>cthuluh, yes it does :)
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08:21<cthuluh>sheldonh: are you trying to use PXE from an initramfs? :)
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08:21<sheldonh>cthuluh, good point. ignore that. bottom line is, ipconfig's requests are ignored and the dhcp server won't say why, and i'd like to try something other than ipconfig to rule that out, because the guy before me was using dhclient
08:22<sheldonh>cthuluh, no. the initramfs is being delivered via tftp as part of pxe, and i misdiagnosed why the initrd's ipconfig isn't working by comparing the pxe dhcp request with the ipconfig dhcp request, which was stupid :)
08:22<jm_>sheldonh: ahh no, I was referring to your question to include additional binaries to be included in initrd
08:22<sheldonh>jm_, um... are you saying those scripts can be run at mkinitramfs time, and excluded from being run in the actual initrd environment?
08:22<jm_>sheldonh: yeah that's what hooks do
08:23<sheldonh>jm_, ahhhh, hooks, not scripts, got it. thanks!
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08:23<sheldonh>jm_: but shame on you for referring me to the man page. doesn't cover hooks at all :P
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08:23<jm_>sheldonh: which man page are you looking at?
08:24<sheldonh>jm_: mkinitramfs
08:24<jm_>sheldonh: man mkinitramfs-tools
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08:24<jm_>sorry initramfs-tools
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08:24<sheldonh>jm_: ahhhhhhhhhhhhh, awesome, thanks!
08:24<troubled>jm_: not the first, and surely not the last, to keep mixing up the tool names for initrd stuff I bet :)
08:24<jm_>sheldonh: it also has the option to run your scripts at boot if you need it
08:25<jm_>troubled: naahm, it's spread over several man pages, one just needs to follow see also references
08:26<troubled>ultimately sure. but I swear everytime I hit the CLI up to remake one, I always forget which of the 20 commands related to rd's it could be
08:27<jm_>similar to upstart/systemd stuff - I wonder if dracut will replace it
08:27<sheldonh>jm_: much obliged, as always
08:29<troubled>can't say i've heard of dracut yet. i am afraid to google :)
08:30<muep>afaik dracut is just a tool for generating initrds
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08:31<jm_>it is yes
08:31<troubled>tbh< i would rather debian just sticks with what we use now. it may be complex to a newcomer, but at it works well. its really a pita when tools change constantly
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08:38<sheldonh>jm_: copy_exec is sexy
08:38<jm_>sheldonh: indeed, a few useful helpers exist
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08:45<sheldonh>jm_: do you know how to create symlinks in the initrd?
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08:45<kalyan>hello
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08:46<jm_>sheldonh: can't you simply call `ln' in your hook script?
08:46<sheldonh>jm_: that's what i'm trying. when i unpack the generated initrd, the symlink has been replaced with a copy of the binary
08:46<jm_>sheldonh: ahh this won't work for cpio archives of course
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08:47<sheldonh>argh :)
08:47<sheldonh>might explain why our initrd's are so big :)
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08:47<sheldonh>makes the whole busybox thing a bit pointless :)
08:49<sheldonh>jm_: okay, it's not me, i'll ignore it: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=338405
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08:55<jm_>sheldonh: ahh cpio has -l switch, so this should be possible
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08:56<jm_>I simply use mkfs if I need initrd, not cpio stuff
08:57<matte88>hi, does anyone know how to install netbeans 6.9 with glassfish on debian?
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09:16<sheldonh>grrrrr. /sbin/dhclient-script is a bash script. honestly!
09:17<sheldonh>"yes, but where wouldn't you have bash?"... pffft
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09:41<BonZo>i installed totem-mozilla with aptitude and this installed about 170 MB of dependencies. Now i'm trying to uninstall totem-mozilla but aptitude don't want to remove all dependencies. i already did this in the past and it worked...
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09:53<troubled>is there any particular/recommended way to have m-a builds auto install/reinstall after a kernel update blows away the files?
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09:55<simonrvn>!dkms
09:55<dpkg>[dkms] Dynamic Kernel Module Support, a framework for generating out-of-tree Linux kernel modules. Packages using DKMS build modules during installation and when updated Linux versions are installed, provided Linux headers are present (these are not installed by dkms). DKMS-managed modules are installed to /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/updates/dkms/ . http://linux.dell.com/dkms/
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09:56<simonrvn>i find it annoying though, because the build happens during boot....
09:56<troubled>every boot? or just the first boot after update?
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09:56<troubled>nm, misread the factoid
09:57<troubled>s/misread/blanked out/ :)
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10:01<dbldtx_>.mkv files play in VLC with audio but no video ~ Debian Lenny with good-to-go nVidia drivers on an AMD Athlon 4, "libmkv0" package is installed. Has anybody else run into this?
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10:12<Guest1736>hi
10:12<Guest1736>i'm having a problems
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10:20<slush>dbldtx_: only with mkv files?
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10:41<smv>so, there is this foomatic-filters-ppds that few days ago was from unstable/main and now after an upgrade is local. any idea how that happend? also libboost-date-time1.40.0 libboost-thread1.40.0 and libept0 have the same problem. i didn't installed them manually, they where installed with other things.
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10:42<jordanm>smv: most likely, that package is no longer in unstable/main so it shows it as local
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10:42<jordanm>smv: unstable systems need to be upgraded very frequently. not recommend if you want things to work
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10:43<jordanm>smv: sorry, specifically, that version of the package
10:43<smv>i know that, is that i never had this kind of 'change' before.
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10:46<dbldtx_>slush; yes, all other media types work with all kinds of joy (sorry about that slow response time!)
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10:47<Tuplad>how come audio works only in 1 application? I'm using pulseaudio.
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10:52<ParaHelix>Hello?
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10:52<ParaHelix>I'm new to IRC, how could I connect to "irc://irc.osx86.hu/iphone" please?
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10:53<linux_addict>hi @ all
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10:54<Tuplad>how come audio works only in 1 application? I'm using pulseaudio. for example: if flash works in the browser I can't play any sound in exaile etc.
10:55<jordanm>sounds like your soudserver is not functioning or configured properly
10:55<Tuplad>jordanm: that's what I thought
10:55<Tuplad>jordanm: where should I look ?
10:55<jordanm>!pulseaudio
10:55<dpkg>PulseAudio (formerly Polypaudio) is a cross-platform network sound server, intended as a drop-in replacement for <ESD>. Packaged for Debian since Etch, read /usr/share/doc/pulseaudio/README.Debian after installation for configuration recommendations. http://pulseaudio.org/wiki/FAQ http://pulseaudio.org/ #pulseaudio on irc.freenode.net.
10:56<Tuplad>jordanm: tried dpkg-reconfigure
10:56<jordanm>Tuplad: the documentation README
10:56<jordanm>Tuplad: you do not need pulse for that objective however
10:56<jordanm>!tell Tuplad about dmix
10:56<linux_addict>perhaps someone has an idea? i wanted to install eclipse in synaptic, then there was an error: 2 packages not found. since then eclipse is NOT in the list anymore... don't know why.
10:56<Tuplad>jordanm: it worked perfect for a while though... then after an update it broke :\
10:56<jordanm>linux_addict: use aptitude
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10:57<jordanm>Tuplad: what upgrade? are you using testing/unstable?
10:57<linux_addict>jordanm: aptitude search eclipse returns nothing.
10:58<jordanm>linux_addict: looks like it is not in stable
10:58<jordanm>,versions eclipse
10:58<judd>eclipse -- etch: 3.2.1-4; sid: 3.5.2-3; squeeze: 3.5.2-3; sid: 3.5.2-5
10:58<jordanm>must have had a major RC bug that prevented it from going into the release
10:58<Tuplad>jordanm: yeah :(
10:58<Malks>sup guys
10:58<jordanm>linux_addict: I believe their upstream packages are fairly easy to install to /opt or your home directory
10:58<Malks>has someone ever hosted a web server with apache+ssl?
10:59<jordanm>!tell Tuplad about moving target
10:59<jordanm>!anyone
10:59<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
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10:59<troubled>Malks: nope, never in the history of man ;)
10:59<Malks>hahah
10:59<Tuplad>jordanm: yeah, I know about testing :p but I've had this thing happen to me once and I managed to fix it. I forgot how though
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11:08<dbldtx_>.mkv files play in VLC with audio but no video ~ Debian Lenny with good-to-go nVidia drivers on an AMD Athlon 4, "libmkv0" package is installed. If anybody has suggestions, I will be attentive!
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11:10<cthuluh>dbldtx_: and vlc can play files, other than .mkv?
11:10<cthuluh>this is weird because .mkv is just a container, I would expect this kind of problem to be a codec problem
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11:12<dbldtx_>cthuluh; Yes, .avi, .mov, .mp3/4 all run beautifully. .pls
11:13<cthuluh>did you also try to read this mkv with mplayer or totem or any other video player?
11:13<dbldtx_>cthuluh; Packages I have NOT tried include: mkvtoolnix and vcdtools, but I just don't see the need.
11:14<dbldtx_>smplayer, mplayer and xfmedia take it into playlist but won't start counting on play -- one moment, confirming something..
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11:19<cthuluh>dbldtx_: just try to launch vlc from the command line, and see whether there are some errors showed
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11:23<linux_addict>dpkg: so my question is why is eclilpse not in the list anymore? and how do i get it installed?
11:23<dpkg>I think you lost me on that one, linux_addict
11:23<linux_addict>could i change the main entries in source.list to sid, comment security and everything else out, make aptitude update, aptitude install eclilpse and then change source.list back to lenny?
11:23<linux_addict>would this break my system?
11:24<dbldtx_>cthuluh; Great troubleshooting tip, I'm such a dummy for not thinking of that! Thank you! http://debian.pastebin.com/y72LQWWX
11:24<petemc>linux_addict: check for a backport
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11:28<dbldtx_>cthuluh; and... it's working. Thanks for the protip.
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11:30<cthuluh>dbldtx_: yw. what was the fix?
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11:41<daime>Hola a todos
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11:42<daime>Hola arana como estas?
11:42<ml|>!es daime
11:42<dpkg>daime: Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat
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11:43<dbldtx_>cthuluh; Open it in smplayer! Didn't work last time I tried it, but working now -- as much as I want to find out the EXACT cause, I've got other things that need to get done! So much money and so many things to do with it! :)
11:44<smv>i'm repeating myself, just to be sure that i get a second thought. there is this foomatic-filters-ppds that few days ago was from unstable/main and now after an upgrade is local. any idea how that happend (a bit more details will be great)? also libboost-date-time1.40.0 libboost-thread1.40.0 and libept0 have the same problem. i didn't installed them manually, they where installed with other things, so i thought if they wheren't needed anymore they should've been a
11:44<smv>utoremoved, like other packages have been already removed.
11:44<cthuluh>dbldtx_: that's not what I would call a fix ;)
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11:49<Mortvert>Hey
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11:52<linux_addict>petemc: added backports line to source.list and added the gpg-key. but still no eclipse when typing aptitude search eclipse or aptitude -t lenny-backports install eclipse. i think something is broken but don't know what.
11:52<jhutchins_lt>,versions eclipse
11:52<judd>eclipse -- etch: 3.2.1-4; sid: 3.5.2-3; squeeze: 3.5.2-3; sid: 3.5.2-5
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11:53<troubled>sid listed twice?
11:53<troubled>im guessing the first sid = lenny
11:53<Mortvert>bug, maybe
11:54<linux_addict>jhutchins_lt: don't know what you want to tell me with that? the only way i found eclipse is when i changed temporaryly source.list to sid.
11:54<Mortvert>GAH, i need better video drivers :S
11:55<jhutchins_lt>Not available in lenny.
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11:55<jhutchins_lt>Mixing sid packages is a great way to break your system. Use backports or /msg dpkg ssb.
11:56<jordanm>linux_addict: I recommended the upstream package long ago
11:56<jordanm>linux_addict: like jhutchins_lt said, mixing with sid was not a good choice
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11:58<Mortvert>question
11:59<Mortvert>will debian open the .run package?
12:00<gravity>Aren't those just shell scripts with a bunch of data?
12:00<jmm_>like if you installed canopener.
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12:00<smv>chmod +x *.run && ./*.run might work, or not. i usually am wrong.
12:00<jmm_>better use file to know what you're talking about.
12:00<jmm_>file thefile
12:00<Mortvert>since i'm getting nvidia drivers from nvidia site
12:01<jmm_>file extension is just a tips on what the file is.
12:01<Mortvert>hope i don't break my system :3
12:01<smv>Mortvert, why wouldn't you use the debian way to install the nvidia driver?
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12:01<Mortvert>debian way?
12:02<smv>ya, using module-assistant
12:02<Mortvert>hm
12:02<Mortvert>i don't have non-free repos
12:02<Mortvert>http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers
12:02<Mortvert>like this, maybe?
12:02<smv>just add the contrib and non-free repos, and use that
12:03<smv>see the "Use module-assistant" section, works great on my sid.
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12:05<Malks>hello evrybody
12:05<Mortvert>heh
12:05<Mortvert>30 mb of packets to download
12:06<Malks>lol
12:06<bja>Gentlemen syslog was killing a mailserver, so i decided to let postfix on log on mail.log and not on syslog. According to the manpage of rsyslogd I changed the (*.*) catchall expression with this auth,authpriv.none,cron.*,mark.*,syslog.*,user.*,uucp.*,loocal0.*,local1.*,local2.*,local3.*,local4.*,local5.*,local6.*,local7.* ~/var/log/syslog . But now there is nothing on syslog. At least there should be the usual cron entries on syslog
12:06<bja>The substitution line is a copy paste so any typos you find please let me know
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12:07<bja>logger is not working either so i assume i have a mistake somewhere but i am unable to spot it
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12:08<Malks>Guys, I got a web server with apache + ssl,in which I generate a digital certificate with openssl, using req and x509, no ca, but, when I look at its initial Time, it's about 3 hours after the time it was actually generated, and, when I do Import it in an Internet Explorer on a windows client machine, the time goes further in in the future, is there a way to solve such problem?
12:09<Alvin>has anyone seen this root cannot write to /sbin I get permission denied HELP!!!
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12:09<smv>Mortvert, actually is more than just 30MB, because it's a first step, you'll have to download more after that, but is much better than using the nvidia installer, since all the packages will be managet through apt in the right way, and latter when you'll have to upgrade you won;t have any problem
12:09<Gathond>Malks: Is the problem not just that the time in the certificate is in UTC?
12:09<jordanm>Alvin: what are you trying to do?
12:09<smv>s/managet/mannaged?
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12:10<Alvin>I tried apt-get upgrade and get permission denied on everything
12:10<Mortvert>m-a auto-install nvidia-kernel${VERSION}-source O_o
12:10<Mortvert>what i'm supposed to give as kernel$ {VERSION}?
12:10<Mortvert>drivers version?
12:10<jordanm>Alvin: pastebin the full command you used, the output along with these commands: apt-cache policy; mount
12:11<smv>Mortvert, just paste that line and press enter ;)
12:11<jordanm>Mr_Queue: ignore it
12:11<jordanm>Mr_Queue: m-a a-i nvidia-kernel-source
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12:11*jordanm never understood why it was there\
12:12<Alvin>my cmd:agi chkrootkit rkhunter
12:12<Alvin>agi is apt-get install
12:12<Malks>Gathond: This is the answer I get doing an openssl x509 -in certificate -dates: notBefore=Jul 1 14:24:43 2010 GMT though, this certificate was generated at 11:24
12:12<Mortvert>hmm
12:12<Mortvert>i need repos with non-free
12:12<jordanm>Alvin: pastebin the full command along with out the output, and the ouput of the additional commands...
12:12<Alvin> unable to create `/usr/sbin/chkrootkit.dpkg-new' (while processing `./usr/sbin/chkrootkit'): Permission denied
12:13<smv>Mortvert, told ya already to add contrib and non-free :)
12:13<Mortvert>;3
12:13<Gathond>Malks: and which timezone are you in? GMT?
12:13<smv>Alvin, are you root?
12:13<Alvin>yes as ran these commandc as root
12:13<Gathond>windows is notorious for not getting time right, so it probably just adds further hours
12:13<jordanm>Alvin: just make the pastebin
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12:14<Alvin>I one tick
12:14<Alvin>apt-get install chkrootkit
12:14<Alvin>Reading package lists... Done
12:14<Alvin>Building dependency tree
12:14<Alvin>Reading state information... Done
12:14<Alvin>The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required:
12:14-!-Alvin was kicked from #debian by debhelper [use the paster bot or #flood]
12:14<Malks>Gathond: Maybe it's got something to do with the timezone you say? Since I'm in Brazil, my TZ is -3 hours
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12:15<Mortvert>grrrr
12:15<Mortvert>can't find repos with contrib and non-free
12:15<Gathond>Malks: so the time in the certificate should be 3 hours ahead, as it is by convention always GMT
12:15<jordanm>!tell Mortvert about non-free
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12:16<Alvin>did I do something wrong?
12:16<jordanm>!paste
12:16<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <paste2pastebin.pl>.
12:16<linux_addict>jordanm: so finally eclipse works /opt. tried this already 2 days ago but had the 32-bit version. lol. still wondering why it is not in lenny....
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12:16<linux_addict>thx all!
12:16<smv>Mortvert, just use your actual main repos and just add contrib and non-free to those lines, for both deb and deb-src
12:16<jordanm>linux_addict: I bet there is something in the BTS to indicate why
12:16<Mortvert>oh
12:16<Mortvert>thanks
12:16<Malks>Gathond: Hmmm, there's no way to make it in my TZ?
12:16<Alvin>oh thanks sorry guys
12:17<linux_addict>jordanm: BTS?
12:17<jordanm>!tell linux_addict about bts
12:17<Gathond>Malks: the one IN the certificate? no, but the clients should also compare it in the local timezone
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12:17<Gathond>Malks: i.e. the client should calculate its own GMT time and use that
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12:17<Gathond>or convert the one in the certificate, if it fails to do that the program is defective
12:18<Alvin>jordanm: the pastebin is http://pastebin.com/nL8CETDE
12:18<Mortvert>Installation of the nvidia-kernel-source source failed. Ignoring this package. Maybe you need to add something to sources.list, maybe the contrib and non-free archives.
12:18<Mortvert>well, i did. :|
12:18<jordanm>Alvin: and the other commands?
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12:19<Alvin>I think I've been hacked but I cannot see anything my ISP told me that my ipaddress was being used to attack a bank
12:19<Alvin>one second
12:19<jordanm>,versions chkrootkit
12:19<judd>chkrootkit -- etch: 0.47-2; lenny: 0.48-8; sid: 0.49-4; squeeze: 0.49-4
12:19<Gathond>although windows tend to mess such things up as it use the local timezone and assumes its clock follows this as well and not UTC
12:19<smv>Mortvert, which version of Debian do you use? might be related to that, i guess
12:20<jordanm>Alvin: running out-of-date testing/unstable?
12:20<Mortvert>Debian GNU/Linux 5.0.4 "Lenny" - Official amd64 CD Binary-1 20100131-21:33
12:20<Malks>Gathond: The same certificate, says it's only available after 17:40 on i.e...
12:20<Mortvert>oops, copied too much
12:20<Gathond>that sounds strange, provided IE has the same timezone information
12:20<jordanm>Mortvert: is that the full error? from what command?
12:21<Mortvert>m-a auto-install nvidia-kernel${VERSION}-source
12:21<linux_addict>jordanm: yes there are some interesting bugs for eclipse in lenny...
12:21<smv>Mortvert, pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list
12:21<Malks>Gathond: you said something about converting the time on the certificate?
12:21<Alvin>jordanm: the NEW pastebin is http://pastebin.com/pf57uh7z
12:22<jordanm>smv: its usually best to ask for apt-cache policy output, because of /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
12:22<Gathond>Malks: no, I said the clients should do this when they read it
12:22<Malks>Gathond: Oh, okay
12:22<Mortvert>gah
12:22<Mortvert>my mouse went into rage for second
12:22<jordanm>!ubuntu
12:22<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
12:22<smv>someone tell Mortvert how to use the nvidia driver in lenny, as i am using sid...
12:22<Gathond>Malks: i.e. IE should read the 11:24 GMT then either convert this to its own timezone or take its local time and convert that to GMT then check if the certificate is valid
12:22<Mortvert>http://pastebin.com/6BJyzWMh
12:22<jordanm>Alvin: ubuntu is not supported here, move on to the ubuntu support channel
12:23<Mortvert>smv: http://pastebin.com/6BJyzWMh
12:23<Gathond>Malks: the only option for doing the other one is to generate a new certificate from the private key
12:24<Malks>Gathond: Actually, I wasn't aware of the TZ problem, now that I'm looking into it, my VM running windows had it's TZ of +4, what actually may have caused the problem
12:24<Alvin>OK SORRY GUYS I am sorry if I upset anyone I was just looking for help
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12:24<Gathond>Malks: sounds like it yeah
12:24<Malks>Gathond: I'm gonna make some tests, thanks man you really saved me there =]
12:24<Alvin>I will come back with debian what is the latest version can I migrate from ubuntu too debian?
12:25<Alvin>I will come back with debian what is the latest version can I migrate from ubuntu to debian?
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12:26<kleini_>i get a kernel panic while loading from an usb: 'not syncing: attempted to kill init!'
12:26<cahoot>Alvin: you aspire to 'upgrade' an unbuntu to debian? forget it - install debian
12:26<smv>Mortvert, i'd change sources.list as in http://paste.debian.net/plainh/6a76088a
12:26<kleini_>while trying to install debian
12:26<Alvin>should I do a fresh install of debian or just change my sources
12:26<jordanm>Alvin: you can not directly migrate. you need a fresh install of debian and then migration of your data
12:27<smv>Mortvert, then i'd try again that m-a command, but still am not sure how will that work in lenny. someone else might know...
12:27<Alvin>thanks I will try that what is the easiest way for a fresh install
12:27<jordanm>Alvin: depending on your type of data, there could be issues in the migration. if it is a desktop system, you are probably safe
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12:27<kurumin>kurumin
12:27<smv>!br
12:27<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
12:28<kurumin>ah
12:28<Alvin>I think I will quickly get myself a new hard disk and then copy my data from the old disk
12:28<Mortvert>smv: it rigged with that repo list
12:28<kurumin>what?
12:28<smv>Mortvert, as in worked? rigged is a new word for me :))
12:28<kurumin>how?
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12:29<Mortvert>yeah
12:29<Mortvert>i need to re-learn english :3
12:29<smv>kurumin, type /join #debian-br and then press Enter
12:29<kurumin>hellow
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12:30<linux_addict>what should i do to get vimdiff running on lenny? ["vim was not compiled with the diff feature"] is there a package or something?
12:30<bartm>linux_addict: isn't that diff > file ; vi file ?
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12:34<Mortvert>hah
12:34<Mortvert>it's building kernel source
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12:35<Mortvert>smv - thanks alot, i owe you one
12:35<bartm>linux_addict: file /usr/bin/vimdiff
12:35<Mortvert>it finished now (with module asistant)
12:35<Mortvert>what now?
12:35<linux_addict>bartm: vimdiff opens a splitted vim with beautiful colors etc. nicier then only diff
12:36<bartm>linux_addict: file /usr/bin/vimdiff
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12:36<linux_addict>bartm: file /usr/bin/vimdiff links to /etc/alternatives/vimdiff which links to /usr/bin/vim.tiny ....
12:37<bartm>linux_addict: there's your problem, I think
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12:37*jordanm suggest emac's M-x ediff
12:37<bartm>linux_addict: /etc/alternatives/vimdiff -> /usr/bin/vim.basic
12:37<linux_addict>bartm: i have a standard lenny installation, not to old, so i don't think i changed something.
12:38<bartm>linux_addict: dpkg -l vim
12:38<Mortvert>gah
12:38<Mortvert>i don't want to mess with x conf
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12:38<jordanm>Mortvert: nvidia-xconfig
12:39<Mortvert>isn't that buggy as hell?
12:39<jordanm>I have never had an issue with it
12:39<Mortvert>so now i have to restart X?
12:39<Mortvert>VALIDATION ERROR: Data incomplete in file /etc/X11/xorg.conf.
12:39<Mortvert> Device section "Configured Video Device" must have a Driver
12:39<Mortvert> line.
12:40<jordanm>Mortvert: rm /etc/X11/xorg.conf; nvidia-xconfig
12:41<jordanm>Mortvert: unless you had already folded changes into it...
12:41<chealer>Mortvert: see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers
12:41<Mortvert>hm
12:41<Mortvert>now all i have to do is pray :3
12:41<Mortvert>be right back, rebooting
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12:42<bartm>linux_addict: solved?
12:42<chealer>Mortvert: nvidia-xconfig isn't buggy per se, but it doesn't work well due to an X bug: http://bugs.debian.org/504692
12:43<jordanm>chealer: that says the result is that it writes a new one from scratch... which still should work, you would just lose any changes you had made previously
12:44<jordanm>much better than X -configure in testing/unstable, which segfaults due to the vmware driver
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12:44<linux_addict>bartm: dpkg -l vim shows no version and no description. ouch! dpkg -l mplayer is okay...
12:44<Mortvert>yes
12:44<Mortvert>it works!
12:44<Mortvert>:D
12:44<bartm>linux_addict: apt-get update && apt-get install vim
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12:44<jordanm>!congratulate Mortvert
12:44<dpkg>Hugs & Puppies Mortvert, you did it!
12:44<Mortvert>puppies! <3
12:44<smv>!next
12:44<dpkg>Another happy customer leaves the building.
12:45<Mortvert>^Pretty much, going to test something
12:45<Mortvert>thanks jordanm,svm,chealer
12:45-!-Mortvert is now known as Mort\away
12:46<chealer>jordanm: you don't "just" lose any changes you had made, you'd lose your whole xorg.conf
12:46<chealer>jordanm: the alternative recommended is to manually edit xorg.conf
12:47<jordanm>chealer: which IMO is irrelevant if you had not made changes of your own
12:47<smv>so just back it up before, and then compare/mix :)
12:47<jordanm>the loss of something generated, can be regenerated, making the issue minor
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12:48<jordanm>I haven't manually edited a xorg.conf since I stopped using gentoo
12:48<chealer>jordanm: well, I guess your opinion isn't based on much usage of non-US english keyboards, for one thing
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12:49<chealer>jordanm: again, it's not just about manual xorg.conf edits. you just lose the whole xorg.conf
12:49<linux_addict>bartm: just works now. don't know what happened, perhaps hdd problems, hope not. /etc/alternatives/vimdiff know points to /usr/bin/vim.basic. thx
12:49<Mort\away>:) Open Arena/Nexuiz works fine
12:49<jordanm>chealer: it says the file is backed up, so you don't "lose" it, but you do have to fold your changes into the new file again
12:49<chealer>sure, you can edit xorg.conf after, but then you'd rather just edit xorg.conf. it makes nvidia-xconfig mostly useless
12:50<Mort\away>so bye, i'm going to get some frags :D
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12:50<linux_addict>could my eclipse and vimdiff problem have a correlation?
12:50<smv>chealer, if one really needs to mix and keep the file without changes, can use nvidia-settings. that would also give some good defaults related to the monitor, and will be able to see/set the right resolution
12:50<bartm>linux_addict: no
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12:50<jordanm>chealer: maybe you want nvidia-xconfig's --keyboard=KEYBOARD option?
12:50<bartm>linux_addict: you only had vim tiny installed, and by adding vim basic you made vimdiff work
12:50<jordanm>chealer: sorry, --layout=layout
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12:51<chealer>jordanm: you rather want nvidia-xconfig --keep-whatever-xorgconf--says
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12:52<smv>much better to just backup and compare/mix manually.
12:52<linux_addict>bartm: okay, i didn't even know this were two packages.
12:52<bartm>linux_addict: now you do :)
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12:53<chealer>smv: I don't understand what you're saying. nvidia-settings would set the driver to nvidia?
12:53*jordanm wanders why nvidia-xconfig is not /usr/sbin
12:54<simonrvn>wo*
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13:02<linux_addict>have to go. bye bye
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13:07<kleini_>"installing base system" So nice to finally see those words :p
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13:33<DasUberJohan>ok so i went and got the handbrake package from debian multimedia and nwo it's acting like it's going to work then it just well sort of dies after ~5 seconds of converting.
13:33<DasUberJohan>anyone else had problems with that before? Also attempting to build it doesn't work.
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13:36<jordanm>it fails to build from source?
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13:42<DasUberJohan>it says that it needs this package which isn't apparently included in debian/backports E: Couldn't find package libgudev-1.0-dev
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13:45<jordanm>DasUberJohan: that happens occasionly with backports, usually because that package has not built on all arches yet (usually the case with amd64(
13:45<DasUberJohan>i just ran the command that the people on the handbrake site said to do.
13:46<DasUberJohan>jordanm:i wasn't trying to do the backported package i just was using the standard repo
13:46<DasUberJohan>jordanm:and that was because i needed to get some handbrakeness since i've become rather used to it
13:46<jordanm>,versions handbreak
13:47<judd>Sorry, no package named 'handbreak' was found.
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13:47<jordanm>,versions handbrake
13:47<judd>Sorry, no package named 'handbrake' was found.
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13:48<DasUberJohan>yeah the handbrake package doesn't exist within teh debian repos sadly
13:48<DasUberJohan>and the one from debian-multimedia does 3 seconds of converting and then just dies. If my 360 would accept open formats i'd not even need it.. but sadly it doesn't. Also gsyanptics refuses to work at the moment if anyone else has had that issue.
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13:49<jordanm>DasUberJohan: you can always compile from source to /usr/local, without packaging, if the source is available
13:50<jordanm>it can become a pain to maintain, especially if it is updated frequently, but sometimes the only choice
13:50<DasUberJohan>jordanm: the source is available but i'm missing a package apparently.
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13:51<jordanm>which?
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13:51<craigevil>,versions handbrake-gtk
13:51<judd>handbrake-gtk -- lenny-multimedia: 0.9.3-0.1; squeeze-multimedia: 0.9.4+svn20100613-0.0; sid-multimedia: 0.9.4+svn20100624-0.0
13:51<DasUberJohan>libgudev-1.0-dev
13:51<jordanm>,versions libgudev-1.0-dev
13:51<judd>libgudev-1.0-dev -- squeeze: 157-1; sid: 158-1
13:52<jordanm>!tell DasUberJohan about ssb
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13:53<DasUberJohan>what was the command for installing from backports again wasn't it apt-get install -t lenny-backports <package name>
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13:54<jordanm>DasUberJohan: its not in backports, you need to backport it yourself. dpkg should have pm'ed instructions
13:56<DasUberJohan>also has anyone had issues with gsynaptic and getting it to run even after setting up a synatpic in the xorg.conf
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14:00<jordanm>DasUberJohan: what happens when you try to run it?
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14:02<DasUberJohan>jordanm:it just says that i don't have shm whatever set to true within the xorg.conf yet i don't even have an entry for my touchpad just my razer mouse i won in a tournament.
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14:02<bja>how do i find out if 0 is sunday on a crontab of a machine?
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14:03<DasUberJohan>also running. apt-get -b source libgudev-1.0-dev yields this http://pastebin.com/0dpnUTdk
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14:04<dkr>bja: man 5 crontab
14:05<dkr>bja: and it is
14:05<bja>dkr: it doesn't say how to do it
14:05<jordanm>DasUberJohan: was it by chance... the escapist tf2 tournament?
14:05<dkr>bja: "day of week 0-7 (0 or 7 is Sun, or use names)"
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14:06<bja>dkr: "Ranges or lists of names are not allowed."
14:06<dkr>bja: your question was whether 0 means sunday. it does
14:06<DasUberJohan>wait
14:06<DasUberJohan>there was a tf2 tournament????
14:06<DasUberJohan>gah i need to get wine again...
14:06<bja>dkr: 0 or 7 ?
14:07<dkr>bja: yes, 7 also means sunday. that doesn't change the fact that 0 is sunday, too
14:07<jordanm>DasUberJohan: well, over a year ago, I was going to enter. I recall that the prize was.... a razer mouse
14:07<DasUberJohan>or well get wine, and get the pc version of the orange box. i still have it for the 360 but i'm lacking the mods and such that pc gives it... especiallyt that awesome kitty.
14:07<DasUberJohan>jordanm:the one that shoots lazers and bees at people. that seems to be very interesting.
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14:07<bja>dkr: 0 can mean Sunday, but also 7 can mean monday, but they cannot mean both sunday on the same machine, how do i find out that?
14:08<bja>s/monday/Sunday/
14:08<jhutchins_lt>Yes, they can both mean Sunday, and they both do.
14:08<dkr>bja: yes, they can
14:08<jordanm>DasUberJohan: I used run tf2 using cedega, and it did actually work a bit better than plain wine. however, I canceled after a long period of unable to get one of their "gold supported" (civ4) games to run
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14:09<bja>jhutchins_lt: so we have shrodingers cat on this box :-)
14:09<jordanm>DasUberJohan: there are rumors of the future valve games having a linux port
14:09<DasUberJohan>jodranm:ah ok i've never tried codega due to me not playing a ton of pc games. Up until about a year ago or so i was always a console person and yeah i saw the "rumor" client.
14:10<DasUberJohan>jordanm: if they do that they'll EASILY break through and do a complete ownership of the platform as far as commercial games go and a distribution network already in place should help make more people wnat to also get in on it.
14:10<jhutchins_lt>bja: Actually, no, that implies uncertainty.
14:10<dkr>0 sun, 1 mon, 2 tue, 3 wed, 4 thu, 5 fri, 6 sat, 7 sun. it just lets you specify sunday either way. it's quite deterministic
14:10<jhutchins_lt>like having a symlink to a file.
14:11<locklace>or like...mod 7 arithmetic
14:11<jhutchins_lt>Or answering to more than one name.
14:11*bja blushes when he realizes how stupid a question and arguments he made
14:13<bja>dkr: thx for bearing this minute of my stupidity
14:13<dkr>no worries
14:13<DasUberJohan>wait a second why isn't my backports update workign with ice weasel?
14:14<dkr>I think the reason for the alternative numbering is due to religions. e.g. "on the 7th day He rested"
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14:14<jordanm>DasUberJohan: if you want your backports packages to upgrade to the new backport, when available, you need to pin them
14:14<dkr>but different religions think of saturday or sunday, or even friday as the day he rested. :)
14:14<DasUberJohan>jordanm: i believe i already pinned it, it's not letting me check it in teh gui.
14:14<jordanm>DasUberJohan: this is not always good however, as backports are not well tested when they first enter, especially on a stable system
14:15<jordanm>DasUberJohan: the gui may ignore apt pinning, I know it ingores "holds"
14:15<DasUberJohan>jordanm:the backports i'm using is ice weasel for well my addons which don't support anyihng below it. ah so what's the command-line update command?
14:16<jordanm>DasUberJohan: aptitude update; aptitude upgrade
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14:23<smv>chealer, indeed.
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14:24<DasUberJohan>jordanm:hmm the aptitude upgrade didn't show the iceweasel update for some odd reason
14:25<jordanm>DasUberJohan: apt-cache policy iceweasel
14:25<craigevil>it wont , see the last part on http://www.backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions
14:25<craigevil>you have to use apt-pinning
14:26<DasUberJohan>Package: *
14:26<DasUberJohan>Pin: release a=lenny-backports
14:26<DasUberJohan>Pin-Priority: 200
14:26<DasUberJohan>is already in my apt-preferences file :/
14:26<DasUberJohan>i did it after getting backports up and running
14:27<DasUberJohan>jordanm:http://pastebin.com/a25FL1Zj
14:27<jhutchins_lt>,versions iceweasel
14:27<judd>iceweasel -- etch: 2.0.0.19-0etch1; etch-security: 2.0.0.19-0etch1; lenny: 3.0.6-3; lenny-security: 3.0.6-3; lenny-backports: 3.5.8-1~bpo50+2; sid: 3.5.10-1; squeeze: 3.5.10-1; experimental: 3.6.4-1
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14:50<DevNullnDull>Anyone know of a good app to manage or create the "default" file for PXE boot server? I would like to setup a PXE for all software Linux, ESX, Windows, etc...
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14:54<gleb_>hello!
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14:56<DevNullnDull>jordanm: Please get a better life. :) in this channel too...
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14:59<themill>dpkg: tell DevNullnDull about cross post
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15:00<DevNullnDull>lol guys get a life!
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15:01<jordanm>!lol
15:01<dpkg>If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user.
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15:02<dkr>I think lol is fine if you are actually laughing out loud. the people that use it instead of a period in every line is when it is annoying. :)
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15:02<themill>DevNullnDull: it's a question of politeness, hence asking you politely not to do it again in the future.
15:03<chealer>smv: are you sure? AFAIK nvidia-settings even needs the driver to be already nvidia.
15:03<Ouro>do bluray discs need to be decrypted before they can be 'dd'ed similarly to dvd (i.e. will the 'dd' give hardware errors if you do not decrupt first)?
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15:06<smv>chealer, you're right, but still it has the option to generate an xorg.conf. as usually i am wrong.
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15:09<DevNullnDull>themill: Are you for real? man god!
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15:11<mase>DevNullnDull: PXE for Windows? how did you manage that? bartPE?
15:11<themill>*sigh*. Yes. Think about it and re-read what dpkg said to you. Cross-posting is saying that you value your time more than every other person in the channel who might be willing to help you. Cross-posting has never been good netiquette and still isn't.
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15:12<craigevil>Ouro: you most likely need aacskeys and dumphd , the mplayer homepage has a couple of links
15:12<DevNullnDull>mase: so far, using pxe images from WDS (Windows Deployment Services)
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15:14<burst_error>if i forget the root and/or user password on one of my boxes i am screwed correct?
15:15<Ouro>not really
15:15<jordanm>!forgot root password
15:15<dpkg>For GRUB: 1) press 'e' to edit the kernel setting in the grub command line (add 'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) 'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For LILO: 1) 'linux init=/bin/sh' at the LILO boot prompt (hold Shift while booting), steps 2-6 are the same; For yaboot: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at yaboot prompt.
15:15<Ouro>if you have physical access then you can always fix it
15:15<burst_error>how can i use grub or something to recover/reset one of them
15:15<burst_error>spoke to soon
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15:19<Ouro>craigevil: just to clarify, i am interested in the minimal step to get a full image of the disc that i can fully decrypt later (perhaps on a different OS)
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15:21<jhutchins_lt>ornia: If you have a blue ray reader you're one of the first, it's up to you to find out and tell us.
15:21<jhutchins_lt>Ouro: ^
15:21<jhutchins_lt>Ouro: It might depend on what the producer did for DRM as it does with DVD's.
15:22<Ouro>jhutchins_lt: regarding being one of the first... hasnt this stuff been around for many years?
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15:23<jhutchins_lt>Not really, I've just started seeing blueray readers for PC's in the past six months or so.
15:23<Ouro>but yes, the DRM gets crazier every day, this is why i am wondering if there is a simple way to get an image and then deal with the full BD+ decryption later
15:23<jhutchins_lt>Ouro: As components, that is. There have been blueray laptops for longer.
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15:24<jhutchins_lt>Ouro: Might be something at http://www.cdrfaq.org/
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15:25<jhutchins_lt>Ouro: One might also google blue ray + linux
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15:25<jhutchins_lt>Sony having been one of the worst DRM offenders, one might suspect DRM built in to the video standard, but as I said it's up to whoever published the disk.
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15:28<Ouro>yeah, check out this link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BD%2B
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15:33<jhutchins_lt>ALso see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/BluRayAndHDDVD
15:35<jhutchins_lt>Interestingly that page implies that HD-DVD's can read BluRay disks.
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15:45<Ouro>thanks for the info, later
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15:46<bja>How do i get the return value of a program in bash?
15:47<Lethalman>bja, $?
15:47<bja>Lethalman: thx
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16:14<betinho>Anyone help me please ... how can i edit a bash shell file to be able to start gnome-terminal (icon on painel by mouse) with user@host:~ instead of user@host:/srv/discs/users/home/user ?
16:15<betinho>It's just an improvement of usability
16:15<abysed>I change the $PS1 variable in my .bashrc file
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16:16<abysed>and the \w is for short dir
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16:18<betinho>which config file you have edited? ~/.bashrc
16:18<abysed>yeah
16:19<betinho>abysed: thanks!
16:19<abysed>PS1="\u@\h:\w "
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16:19<abysed>a start :o
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16:25<Whinis>Where would I got to get help compiling 2.6.33 with rt patch ?
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16:25<craigevil>Whinis: try searching the forums.debian.net
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16:30<Whinis>I found a guide on how to compile it however everytime i compile the wireless driver iwlagn fails to compile and it is nessicary for my laptop.
16:31<jordanm>lenny's kernel-package may have issues with .33
16:31<Whinis>it compiles perfectly fine as long as the RT patch is not applied however i also need the RT patch
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16:34<Whinis>should i try 2.6.31 ?
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17:20<pampagrande>hola
17:20<pampagrande>señores
17:20<pampagrande>del planta
17:20<pampagrande>como les va ç
17:20<pampagrande>jajaj
17:20<pampagrande>al pareces etoy solo
17:20<pampagrande>ajjaja
17:20<ebrahim>(O.o)
17:21<themill>!es-social pampagrande
17:21<dpkg>pampagrande: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador por favor ingresa al canal social de #debian-es con /join #debian-es-cachondeo. Tus amigos probablemente ya esten ahi.
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17:43<helpme>hello
17:44<helpme>can anyone open this http://117.254.57.104/
17:44<helpme>please let me know
17:44<ebrahim>Hi helpme.
17:44<ebrahim>helpme, welcome :)
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17:44<jordanm>helpme: http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/
17:44<ebrahim>helpme, I could.
17:44<helpme>what you see ?
17:44<ebrahim>helpme, it said 'It works!'
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17:44<helpme>okaykewl thankx
17:44<helpme>now it is connected to outworld
17:44<helpme>: )
17:45<ebrahim>:)
17:45<jordanm>ebrahim: you should be careful about that sort of thing, especially when you do not know the person
17:45<masu3701>my pc keep turning off right after i start it...what can the problem be?
17:45<helpme>aww : )
17:45<helpme>why so jordanm ?
17:45<ebrahim>jordanm, I know he will get my IP. no problem with that :)
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17:46<jordanm>not just the IP... he could have been hosting illegal content, malicous code, etc
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17:46<helpme>ebrahim but thanks
17:46<jordanm>ebrahim: we can see your IP in IRC
17:47<helpme>hehe i am stident only learning is my aim
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17:47<ebrahim>jordanm, does irc.debian.org have cloaking?
17:47<ebrahim>like irc.freenode.net
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17:47<ebrahim>host cloaking I mean.
17:48<jordanm>yes, but I don't think its given out as openly as on freenode
17:48*ebrahim wants one :)
17:48<jordanm>I recall the FAQ saying something about needing a "strong reason"
17:48<ebrahim>jordanm, who's in charge of that?
17:48<jordanm>ebrahim: OFTC
17:48<ebrahim>oh
17:48<helpme>hi when squeez gonna release finally ?
17:49<helpme>are they including xen pv ops kernel ?
17:49<ebrahim>jordanm, about illegal content and malicious code: it can happen every day I browse sites. so no difference if the link comes from that page, or from helpme. maybe I'm badly wrong?!
17:49<jordanm>ebrahim: http://www.oftc.net/oftc/UserCloaks
17:49<jordanm>ebrahim: perhaps I have just seen more of it openly spammed in irc?
17:50-!-mode/#debian [+l 397] by debhelper
17:50<jordanm>it typically is more obvious however
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17:52<helpme>thx guys and ebrhim brb
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18:16<ramiro>hi!
18:16-!-swe [~swe@81-235-181-87-no20.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #debian
18:17<ramiro>so.. I have some questions about Debian, I dunno what to choose!, Either 5.05 or the testing brand.. I want it for desktop use, and as far as I know, ext4 performs faster, that's the only reason I want the testing brand..
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18:19<ramiro>hi?
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18:22<allan`>good morning debian!
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18:23<ebrahim>!hi | allan`
18:23<drowssap>allan`: hello
18:24<allan`>ebrahim drowssap hi :)
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18:53<Graveworm>Hi! Hm, so I need some hints. I'm trying to set up hibernation on squeeze. s2ram is doing fine. But if I s2disk then the machine goes down but doesn't resume. "Resume device" in /etc/uswsusp.conf is /dev/dm-1. The drive to resume is passed to the kernel by /etc/default/grub.conf via UUID. The swap partition is on a LVM. Now, where should I elso do anything?
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18:56<TCW>Graveworm, I _guess_ s2disk on a lvm or crypt or any other device using device-mapper does not work
18:56<TCW>Graveworm, see if you can free some space for an ordinary swap partition on a raw harddisk and test it there
18:57<TCW>Graveworm, any chance you have a specific error message?
18:57<TCW>What should be the absolut maximum one can get through usb2 with a harddisk?
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18:59<Graveworm>TCW: Hmm.... I suspected something like that :\. No, I can't find any error messages. According to /var/log/pm-suspend everything is fine.
18:59<TCW>Graveworm, and on the local display itself?
19:00<TCW>TFT / CRT
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19:02<Graveworm>TCW: During shutdown all looks good. I can see some messages that the image is beeing written and so. On start the machine just boot as normal beside it is ignoring the image on swap.
19:03<TCW>Graveworm, enable bootlogd in /etc/default/bootlogd and reboot, see if you get a clue in /var/log/boot then
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19:08<Graveworm>Already done but there wasn't anything I could work with. Hmmm. As I just read. When the LVM is mounted than the kernel has already looked for a resume image? When does this process start? Quit aber hitting enter on the grub prompt?
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19:09<Graveworm>than<>then, quit<>quite, aber<>after ;).
19:10<TCW>Graveworm, please correct the sentence :)
19:10<TCW>I mean, write it again :)
19:10<Graveworm>It's dark in here ,).
19:11<abrotman>so the letters don't glow?
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19:12<Graveworm>Oh, ok. So what I mean was: I just recognized that the lvm is mounted really "late" during boot. So when does the kernel look for an image to resume? Just after I hit Enter at the grub prompt or after all filesystems are mounted?
19:13<Graveworm>unfortunately not ;)...
19:14<TCW>Graveworm, it is rather long ago since I had a se2disk system.... but i think it was _very_ early, more or less right after the kernel is loaded
19:15<TCW>-e
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19:16<dondelelcaro>the initrd should be doing it, actually
19:16<dondelelcaro>(and the initrd should bring up lvm, too)
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19:17<Graveworm>Hmm..ok. So I think I have to ... Ah, I just want to mention ^^. I never concerned about all the initrd stuff. I think now its the time ;\.
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19:18<TCW>dondelelcaro, so it _is_ possible to do s2disk resume from swap on lvm?
19:19<Zathras_>Hi. I upgraded to Squeeze and I hit the infamous 1 year+ old issue: grub-pc: ..with /dev/dm-0 as /, "grub-probe: error: cannot find a device for /"
19:20<dondelelcaro>TCW: it should be
19:20<dondelelcaro>though I honestly haven't tried it yet myself
19:21<Zathras_>I tried the trick: echo change > /sys/block/dm-X/ueven
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19:21<Zathras_>but still troubles in paradise
19:22<TCW>dondelelcaro, and... crypted-raid-lvm swap? :)
19:22<Graveworm>Oh, fine. So, then I'm going to read something about initrd ^^. Ok, thanks for help then :).
19:22<dondelelcaro>TCW: that's actually what I've got set up
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19:22<dondelelcaro>TCW: I just haven't resumed with the same kernel
19:22<TCW>dondelelcaro, huh?
19:25<TCW>dondelelcaro, so you actually never tried to resume?
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19:28<burst_error>having some probs with getting a dlink NIC working. lsmod shows the proper module loaded (8139too) and i have aliased it to eth0 and also tried a fallback module via-rhind yet ifconf still doesnt show the adapter. card is a 'dlink dfe 530TX+' card not faulty have three of them.
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19:31<TCW>burst_error, via_rhine and 8139* are two completely different chipsets
19:31<TCW>dlink dfe 530TX+ should be via_rhine
19:32<TCW>burst_error, anyway... mind showing lspci |grep -i net?
19:32<burst_error>TCW: i know, but i tried them both.. just a minute
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19:36<burst_error>00:0a.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+ (rev10)
19:36<TCW>burst_error, that is _not_ a dfe 530tx
19:36<burst_error>err...
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19:37<burst_error>maybe something from the bios?
19:37<TCW>or maybe.... the dfe 530tx+ may differ more than I thought from the dfe530tx
19:37<burst_error>its pretty old machine
19:37<TCW>burst_error, paste the whole lspci (http://paste.debian.net)
19:38<burst_error>will do
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19:55<burst_error>http://paste.debian.net/79328/
19:55<burst_error>sorry it took so long
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19:56<burst_error>and yes, she has ISA slots :)
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19:58<grindcore>Hola
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20:00<ebrahim>Hi grindcore.
20:01<grindcore>speak spanish??
20:02<burst_error>!es-social
20:02<dpkg>Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador por favor ingresa al canal social de #debian-es con /join #debian-es-cachondeo. Tus amigos probablemente ya esten ahi.
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20:03<burst_error>or #debian-es
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20:03<TCW>burst_error, next time highlight my nick... I don't stare hours at this window
20:04<burst_error>TCW: sorry man
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20:05<TCW>burst_error, and lsmod plus ifconfig -a plus dmesg output
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20:14<burst_error>TCW: anything in particular? bc i dont wanna have to type it all out unless i rly need to. its pretty looooongcat
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20:15<TCW>burst_error, you did type the last pasting?!
20:15<burst_error>TCW: yes
20:15<TCW>burst_error, oh god! :)
20:16<burst_error>how can i paste from that machine withno network connection!?
20:16<burst_error>TCW: id love to ssh into but she doesnt want to play ;_;
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20:17<TCW>burst_error, usb drive? Floppy?
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20:18<burst_error>TCW: what do i look like? Cisco?
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20:19<burst_error>TCW: i guess i could install one
20:19<TCW>burst_error, cisco?
20:19<burst_error>TCW: nvm
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20:34<burst_error>tcw: would an abbreviated write up of the info be sufficient?
20:35<TCW>burst_error, maybe... but as of now I don't know what the situation is... so you have NO chance to get the data of that box other than typing it?
20:37<burst_error>TCW: i could slap the drive in this box, but that would alter the output
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20:38<burst_error>TCW: i mean its not to difficult to see what output messages are related to this issue, thats why i was suggesting a quick write up the related info
20:38<burst_error>with the*
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20:39<TCW>burst_error, grep dmesg for any occurances of "eth", summ it up what you see. The same for ifconfig -a
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20:56<jhutchins_lt>Ah, realtec!
20:57<jhutchins_lt>!realtec
20:58<jhutchins_lt>!rtl8139
20:58<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, rtl8139 is a RealTek PCI NIC that uses the 8139too (new) or rtl8139 (old) driver. *not* ne2k-pci, or a piece of shit card!...but some people have had good luck with it. See also <rtl81x9.c>.
20:58<jhutchins_lt>One thing I'll say for 'em: I've never found a cheaper card.
20:59<jhutchins_lt>burst_error: There's probably some guidance on the web as well.
20:59<jhutchins_lt>burst_error: We had one that could send just fine, but wouldn't receive.
21:00<jhutchins_lt>rtl81x9.c
21:00<jhutchins_lt>!rtl81x9.c
21:00<dpkg>methinks rtl81x9.c is the OpenBSD Realtek 8129/8139 PCI NIC driver. Quote: "The RealTek 8139 PCI NIC redefines the meaning of 'low end.' This is probably the worst PCI ethernet controller ever made, with the possible exception of the FEAST chip made by SMC. The 8139 supports bus-master DMA, but it has a terrible interface that nullifies any performance gains that bus-master DMA usually offers."
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21:06<burst_error>jhutchins_lt: good thing i didnt pay for them!
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21:06<burst_error>also "paste" is here http://paste.debian.net/79331/
21:08<burst_error>jhutchins_lt: so should i try dig out another card or continue to fight with this one?
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21:16<jhutchins_lt>burst_error: Wouldn't have hurt you badly to have paid, they're really cheap.
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21:17<jhutchins_lt>burst_error: Well, which driver have you been trying to use?
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21:19<burst_error>jhutchins_lt: 8139cp, too, and rtl driver
21:20<burst_error>havent tried to compile the .c source yet
21:20<jhutchins_lt>burst_error: Which kernel?
21:22<burst_error>2.6.26-2-486
21:24<jhutchins_lt>burst_error: Might try the one in backports, it's 32 or 33.
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21:30<qq->burst_error, it is a pci or ISA card ?
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21:35<burst_error>jhutchins_lt: ill give it a look if i cant find another card to throw in there
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21:36<burst_error>qq-: it's a pci card, i dont have any isa or id have used one of them for the novelty
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22:23<allan`>o/
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22:33<allan`>hello good morning
22:34<allan`>how to disable "w" command? or "who"
22:34-!-na5uta-work [~na6uta@213.162.68.27] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
22:34<allan`>dont want to see whos online to my box
22:34<burst_error>allan`: thats unusual
22:34<allan`>and i dont want them to see what process are running
22:34<dondelelcaro>all why?
22:34<allan`>can i restrict "ps x"?
22:35<allan`>i dont want the user see whats running
22:36<qq->allan`, use windows ;)
22:36<burst_error>qq-: i see what you did there
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22:36<dondelelcaro>allan`: if you have users you don't trust on the box, on't give them an account
22:37<allan`>dondelelcaro : i trust them but i want it for security
22:38<burst_error>dondelelcaro: can you really trust any user?
22:42<abrotman>burst_error: you're a user
22:43<burst_error>abrotman: i dont trust me either
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23:07<mshindo>hi, I am attempting to package a shared library written in c++. Its is using autotools and libtool as the build system. Outside of the deb stuff, when I run ./configure, make, make install I end up with .so and .la files being installed to the /usr/local/lib directory, which is great. But when I run dh_make, modify the control files and then call dpkg-buildpackage, the script runs through, but doesnt perform the make install as I woul
23:07<mshindo>expect. This results in none of the shared libraries built being included in the deb package. Any hints as to what I am missing here ?
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23:14<unknownsoldi>I need some help with GRUB.
23:15<unknownsoldi>I installed Debian to /dev/sdc5. I told it to install GRUB to /dev/sdc5. When I get to the grub menu I get "Error 22: no such partiton".
23:15<unknownsoldi>When I go to edit, it says the root is on (hd2,6)
23:16<unknownsoldi>Actually, it says (hd2,4)
23:17<qq->mshindo, try /msg dpkg package recompile
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23:26<unknownsoldi>anyone?
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23:27<mshindo>qq-: that crazy bot didnt really have a clue either ^_^
23:27<mshindo>seemed to be more confused that I am
23:27<qq->?
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23:28<mshindo>the dpkg bot
23:28<qq->i done some things as it say and was ok
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23:29<qq->mshindo, just try to apply exactly as it say (forget your method , for moment ..)
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