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#debian IRC Logs for 2010-07-04

---Logopened Sun Jul 04 00:00:03 2010
---Daychanged Sun Jul 04 2010
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01:42<BlackWarrior>hi all
01:42<BlackWarrior>Today is my first day on XCHAT
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01:51<slush>congratulations
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01:57<craigevil>weird say, Today is my first day on XCHAT right after irssi said Day changed to 04 Jul 2010 and at first it looked like something irssi said
01:59<WapiFlapi>I just installed debian lenny on a power pc , "everything works fine" almost :) , havent get x-window to work yet but thats a proble for later, for the moment i have some keyboard issues, no digits, i think maybe loading another keymap could solve the problem, but .. there are digits int the keymap's name . what can i do ?
01:59<WapiFlapi>(total newbie to linux ... )
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02:34<chaos>i've ran apt-get upgrade and all of a sudden javascripts don't work anymore on my websites :s
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02:36<opticon>I recently used umount /boot when i was following some guides covering partimage will that cause any problems when i reboot my debian box?
02:37<slush>nop
02:37<chaos>when you turn off your box everything is umounted :)
02:37<slush>chaos: lol, did you restart your browser?
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02:37<chaos>slush: browser is on a different box
02:39<opticon>ahh ok good was thinking maybe it wouldnt mount again after using umount
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02:41<slush>chaos: ugh, javascript is intrepreted by your browser, your server doesn't do anything special with it
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02:54<opticon>what can i use thats free to create image backups on debian partimage would have been almost ideal except it requires the partition to be unmounted so its not a feasible solution for me
02:55<chaos>i don't think you can create an image from an in-use partition
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03:10<chaos>slush: but those java stuff are trying to call a php on the server
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03:10<slush>chaos: well, that could be a problem, yes
03:10<slush>chaos: check your logs
03:11<chaos>which one?
03:11<slush>eh, guessing you have apache, it's probably in /var/log/apache2/error.log or some kind
03:11<chaos>yes, apache2
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03:14<Archimed>hi all. I caught segmentation fault when tried to script answers for certtool (from gnutls package) using echo command. Does anyone have same problem?
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03:17<Archimed>Going to submit a bugreport. Can someone check whether you have similar problem?
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03:34<chaos>what's the apt-get upgrade option to put one package on hold?
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03:44<Lethalman>chaos, the held package will not be upgraded
03:45<chaos>that's what i want .. yes
03:45<chaos>how do i put udev on hold?
03:45<chaos>it won't install until i upgrade my kernel b/c of the sysfs thingy
03:45<chaos>but i want to compile the new kernel with up-to-date everything else
03:46<chaos>so i want to upgrade every package except udev
03:46<Lethalman>chaos, with aptitude it's aptitude hold package, then aptitude upgrade
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03:50<chaos>aptitude / apt-* / dselect ... are these just frontends for something much less user-friendly?
03:51<Lethalman>chaos dpkg frontends
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03:51<chaos>thx
03:51<Lethalman>chaos dpkg has neither dependency solver nor downloads
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03:53<chaos>kotzbrocken: nice nick :)
03:53<bartm>:)
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03:57<dreamer000>how do I mange compiling my drivers while header unavailable?
03:58<dreamer000>Hello
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03:58<slush>dreamer000: install the headers
03:59<dreamer000>alsa says there is missing something :-)
04:00<dreamer000>it just takes time
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04:11<dreamer000>headers installed but something is missing make oldconfig && make prepare makes no change
04:13<dreamer000>because headers just of dreamxxxx- worked. Sry.
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04:23<scientes>anybody an expert with apt-pinning?
04:24<scientes>i am trying to differentiate between Debian proper and emdebian
04:24<scientes>for specific packages
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04:50<debiann00b>Hi, is someone able to tell me how to fix the text on the login screen; it is extremely large, making it distorted?
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04:53<mvark>wich client. xchat ?
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04:53<debiann00b>oh, I'm sorry. No the initial debian login screen.
04:54<debiann00b>if I click on sessions or when I type in my username, it is in huge text making it distorted so it runs off the screen.
04:54<debiann00b>like 5 lines of text will take up the entire height of the screen.
04:54<debiann00b>I didn't know if there is a setting to adjust that.
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05:00<mvark>If you use gdm, many things are in /usr/share/gdm/defaults.conf
05:00<debiann00b>Okay, a different question; I just did aptitude install xfce, how do I get it to load? Or how do I know which desktop environment is currently loaded?
05:01<debiann00b>mvark, thanks, I'll look in there. I'm not sure what I am using... I'm new to linux and trying to figure out all the options.
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05:04<mvark>Choose session at startup (F4 ?) and replace by xfce
05:05<debiann00b>That's what I figured. I can not read the text on the menu that opens when I select session. Guess I'll try something else.
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05:27<lmc>Can someone here please explain me what happened with the "acroread" package in Lenny?
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05:47<gsimmons>lmc: It hasn't been in the Debian archive since November 2002 ; /msg dpkg pdf
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06:06<WapiFlapi>hi, i have newly isntalled a debian (first time on linux of me ) , and it seems like i have some problems with my xorg.conf file :/
06:06<WapiFlapi>there is "nothing" into it, no resolutions or anything like that
06:07<slush>that's normal these days
06:08<WapiFlapi>ok, but if its normal how come that after boot a only get a black screen ? (I have to ctrl+alt+F to get a comandline and log in )
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06:09<troubled>tried something like xdebconfigurator yet, or dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg?
06:09<WapiFlapi>nd option yes.
06:09<WapiFlapi>but it only ask about keyboard stuff, and changes nothing to xorg.conf
06:09<WapiFlapi>2nd option sory
06:09<troubled>maybe try -plow?
06:10<slush>WapiFlapi: check the logfile why it goes black
06:10<WapiFlapi>i did , and he says somethin like XXX isnt specified (he says that for several XXXss )
06:10<tirwacaf>xorg.conf have nothing with squeeze and sid
06:10<slush>WapiFlapi: please pastebin the logfile
06:11<slush>!paste
06:11<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <paste2pastebin.pl>.
06:11<WapiFlapi>how do I do that ? (since i am in comand line .. dont know how to copy paste :/ )
06:11<WapiFlapi>ok ok
06:11<WapiFlapi>`(didnt read the bot )
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06:23<WapiFlapi>http://yourpaste.net/5738
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06:55<WapiFlapi>slush: I tried to analyse the logfile as best as I could, and I isolated this ; http://pastebin.org/382678 an http://pastebin.org/382679
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07:04<slush>WapiFlapi: I'm a bit occupied to help you properly, but ask around. I would google for the latter in combination with your card-name. Also, run 'Xorg -configure', that should generate a config for you that you can use and edit
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07:17<chaos-irssi>hi
07:17<troubled>mornin'
07:17<chaos-irssi>new kernel is working ... but with new udev my whole /dev is messed up .. how do i unlock my encrypted disks now?
07:17<troubled>cryptsetup luksOpen
07:18<chaos-irssi>yes .. so far so good .. but what happened to my device names? :) it's an LVM
07:18<troubled>probably want to figure out why /dev wasnt mounted with devfs first though
07:18<troubled>not sure, depends how you were calling them i guess. try a pvscan/vgscan yet?
07:19<chaos-irssi>http://paste.debian.net/79558/
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07:20<troubled>well, looks like it sees them at least :)
07:21<troubled>im guessing that your base OS boots up mostly fine, but your lvm fs's just aren't auto mounting?
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07:22<chaos-irssi>it's all fine .. i just got mixed up, sorry :)
07:22<troubled>might be worth checking your fstab to see what device names it used. if devfs disappeared, it might be using names that dont exist yet
07:22<troubled>ah k
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07:23<chaos-irssi>fstab has /dev/*
07:23<chaos-irssi>i mean /dev/hda & co
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07:25<chaos-irssi>troubled: to start from the beginning ... i only made the new kernel cos udev was bitching about sysfs being in my kernel during package update ... so i made a new kernel, then rebooted and first off i installed udev
07:26<chaos-irssi>so everything is mounted even though fstab has the /dev/hda2 device set as root and there's no such thing right now in my /dev/ folder
07:26<troubled>chaos-irssi: do you see a udev entry in `mount` for /dev still?
07:26<chaos-irssi>question is ... is it going to come back if i reboot now?
07:26<chaos-irssi>troubled: no
07:27<troubled>well, you could always try /dev/MAKEDEV to get some static files created in the event you messed up devfs
07:27<chaos-irssi>udev on /dev type tmpfs (rw,mode=0755)
07:27<troubled>hmm, looks like. and you say its empty?
07:27<troubled>s/like/right/
07:27<chaos-irssi> /dev is filled with lotsa stuff just no /dev/hd*
07:28<troubled>oh. i think its all /dev/sd* now
07:28<chaos-irssi>riight .. bunch of sd*
07:28<chaos-irssi>how do i connect my old hd* with these sd* ?:P
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07:28<troubled>did you switch from an old etch kernel to lenny or something recently?
07:29<chaos-irssi>i had 2.6.something b4
07:29<troubled>chances are its a 1:1 switch, like /dev/hda would become /dev/sda
07:29<chaos-irssi>2.6.26 or 2.6.30 to 2.6.34
07:29<troubled>in recent kernels though, they moved everything over to scsi block devices iirc though. just try tweak your fstab and grub entries accordingly
07:30<troubled>maybe they finally disabled it in .34, not sure since I only use stock stable systems, sorry
07:30<chaos-irssi>great . and if i guess incorrectly i'll come home to a mess after then next powerout :s
07:30<troubled>just dont leave the system alone until you fix it then :)
07:30<chaos-irssi>pft
07:30<chaos-irssi>:P
07:31<troubled>grub is cake to edit the boot menus and test some boots though. worst case you can mount the fs's by hand and figure things out. try an `fdisk -l` or something to get a list and make sur eyou have the right device names though i guess
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07:31<chaos-irssi>i think my hda became sdc cos that's the only sd* with partitions listed ;)
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07:32<troubled>possibly, who knows. a safer option is to e2label your filesystems and use those (or UUID's) in your fstabs, then you dont have to worry
07:33<troubled>like a kernel param of something like "root=LABEL=rootfs" or something like that
07:33<troubled>one of these guys could probably help you out better though. i try not to get too exotic with my installs or play with udev
07:34<chaos-irssi>i didn't want to play with it either .. was working just fine but it was messing with my apt-get upgrade!
07:34<chaos-irssi>had to put it in its place
07:34<troubled>heh
07:34<troubled>sounds like you got spanked ;)
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07:41<lmc>gsimmons: thank you for the information about the pdf reader. :) And for teaching me how to use dpkg, the irc bot.
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07:52<msc>hello i'm looking for a good way to install Debian Etch, can anyone point me to right direction? I know it's no longer on mirrors but how can I install without etch auto updates itself to lenny
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07:52<locklace>why are you trying to install etch
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08:00<chaos-irssi>there... in the face of new udev!
08:00<locklace>!win chaos-irssi
08:00<dpkg>Congratulations, chaos-irssi! You have won a one way ticket to Fire Island!
08:00<chaos-irssi>oh goodie :P
08:00<troubled>woot :)
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08:05<msc>@locklace: sorry for the late reply. I need to install Plesk Expand (*sighs*) and it only supports Debian Etch
08:06<msc>it also supports centos but i'm not a big fan of centos..
08:06<troubled>so you would rather install a old stable that is suceptable to security issues? :)
08:07<msc>well I have no other chance cuz I can't tell to my boss that Plesk Expand is a dead software that no longer
08:07<msc>supported and he tells me to install on it a OS that is no longer supported
08:08<troubled>find a new boss :)
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08:08<chaos-irssi>hehe
08:08<msc>LOL :D hahehhehah
08:08<dbldtx-irssi>;)
08:08<dbldtx-irssi>IRSSI is BPL software.
08:09<chaos-irssi>where did my config files go which start apps (like window manager) for vnc? :s
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08:29<jay_>hello, I have 64-bit microprocessor, and I'm using 32-bit debian squeeze, I would like to know if are there any advantages migrating to the 64-bit version?
08:30<rudi_s>jay_: If you have less than 4 GB of RAM, then AFAIK no.
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08:31<jay_>rudi_s, I got exactly 4gb, does that mean yes?
08:31<troubled>curious, has debian picked a clear preference on xen vs. kvm?
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08:35<rudi_s>jay_: Check how many memory you can use (top should show you that). If it's close to 4GB, then no.
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08:40<jesperj>How can I check all mail that has been sent from root account with the "mail" command?
08:41<troubled>mail -f
08:41<troubled>least i think thats what yer after. that reads all the files in your mailbox after you quit and it saves them
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08:45<jesperj>troubled: thanks
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08:49<jay_>if I'm running 64-bit debian, can I still install any 32-bit package?
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08:52<kimak>u all fcuk
08:52<troubled>haven't tried, but probably dep issues wanting to pull into 64 bit debs by default. a chroot of a 32bit env works fine under 64bit though. pinning might work though let you mix up 32/64 maybe?. sorry i can't get you a definitive answer
08:52<troubled>kimak: ?
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09:14<jay_>I cant' seem to locate a link to download debian sid netinst iso, does any one know where?
09:14<petemc>there arent any
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09:23<craigevil>msc: there isn't a version that works with Lenny and Plesk 9.5.2?
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09:25<bzed>jay_: download a snapshot of the testing installer, start in expert mode and choose sid when you're asked what to install
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09:26<bzed>jay_: (if you really want to do that. I'd recommend stable, or if you know what you're doing, use testing, probably with a mix of unstable packages)
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09:27<sergey>есть кто по русски ботает?
09:27<locklace>!ru
09:27<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net. or use English here.
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09:52<harfooz>Hi folks, I have a lenny system with an nvidia legacy card. I now have a larger monitor capable of 1600x1050 resolution, while my older monitor had 1280x1024 resolution. dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg only asks me questions about my keyboard. How do I tell my box about the new monitor?
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09:53<witte>harfooz: can you select the resolution using grandr
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09:54<harfooz>let me try that.
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09:56<harfooz>the modes available in grandr are not going high enough
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09:57<besthost>romana se vorbeste pe aici ?
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09:57<witte>harfooz: is your card capable of 1600x1050?
09:57<harfooz>ah -- I bet *that's* what the problem is!
09:58<harfooz>it's an old nvidia card and I bet the card is the limiting factor! Thanks witte! I'll look into it right away.
09:58<witte>can you post your /var/log/Xorg.0.log in a pastebin
09:58<felixs>harfooz: maybe this is a bug in your graphics card firmware. i had to switch to the nouveau driver once to run a 1600xsomething monitor
09:59<felixs>that is a nVidia Corporation NV43GL [Quadro FX 540] [10de:014e] (rev a2)
10:00<craigevil>harfooz: edit your xorg.conf and put in the modlines for the resolutions you want
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10:01<harfooz>http://pastebin.com/sZ8nAiXZ
10:02<harfooz>craigevil: When I added the Modeline to xorg.conf X would not start (and I think to look at the detailed output at the time :-()
10:03<craigevil>try using xvidtune -show it should show the resolutions your card can support
10:04<craigevil>or run xrandr and see if the resolutions you want show up
10:05<besthost>who helps me to open my ssh server port
10:05<harfooz>"1280x1024" 135.00 1280 1296 1440 1688 1024 1025 1028 1066 +hsync +vsync
10:05<cahoot>besthost: who closed it?
10:05<harfooz>well it looks like this monitor is going back to the office (was hoping for an easy swap at home).
10:05<harfooz>Thanks for the advice to check the card's resolution, craigevil and witte!
10:05<harfooz>Much appreciated!
10:06<witte>harfooz: this monitor/card combination should be able to do 1600x1050
10:06<besthost>Intal Ubuntu and I do not know how to open ssh port
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10:07<harfooz>witte: hmmm.
10:07<witte>harfooz: Modeline "1680x1050"x0.0 146.25 1680 1784 1960 2240 1050 1053 1059 1089 -hsync +vsync
10:07<witte>!ubuntu
10:07<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
10:07<witte>!modeline
10:07<dpkg>Modeline directives in <xorg.conf> are used to specify low-level video modes for your graphics card and monitor. You may need to supply one if the resolutions you want are not autodetected, but first try <xrandr>. You can create custom modelines at http://www.hut.fi/Misc/Electronics/faq/vga2rgb/calc.html, or http://xtiming.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/xtiming.pl, or use cvt or gtf, or apt-get install videogen
10:10<harfooz>let me restart X and see how it goes. brb
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10:17<Mortvert>hey
10:17<Mortvert>doesn't debian have java installed by default?
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10:18<witte>Mortvert: is there a default debian install :-)
10:18<Mortvert>bah
10:18<Mortvert>in lenny i mean
10:18<Mortvert>since i;m trying to install java and failing
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10:19<witte>!java
10:19<dpkg>i guess java is a cross-platform C++-like OO language. Sun, now Oracle, has released most of its Java implementation under the GPL as <openjdk>. There are other implementations packaged for Debian, Sun's JRE/JDK is in <non-free> (for i386, amd64 only). Ask me about <install java>. See also <java alternatives>, <icedtea>. Squeeze users: ask me about <java ipv6>. http://wiki.debian.org/Java ##java on irc.freenode.net.
10:19<witte>!install java
10:19<dpkg>For the Java web browser plugin, install either the free icedtea-gcjwebplugin (Lenny) or icedtea6-plugin (Squeeze) package, or the <non-free> sun-java6-plugin package. For other Java programs, you can install the default-jre package to get a Java runtime; use "apt-cache search java-virtual-machine" to see other implementations. The best options are probably openjdk-6-jre or sun-java6-jre (non-free). See also <java alternatives>.
10:19<Mortvert>thanks
10:20<Mortvert>E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
10:20<Mortvert>after apt-get install icedtea-gcjwebplugin
10:20<Mortvert>ah nvm
10:20<Mortvert>had synaptic on another dock
10:20<witte>Mortvert: that might be because you have synaptic open
10:20<witte>ah, ok
10:20<witte>:-)
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10:22<Mortvert>icedtea sure is big
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10:30<jesperj>http://imagebin.ca/view/jKblZDm.html < Gnome-console only shows fonts correctly that are fixed width/monotype. Otherwise the letters overlap eachother and look strange like in this screenshot. Why is that?
10:31<Mortvert>i wonder what does --fix-missing does
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10:32<witte>Mortvert: you could check the manual...
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10:36<sisk>How do I ensure that fbcon gets loaded at boot instead of radeondrmfb?
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10:59<usuario>hola
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11:00<usuario>ok
11:01<usuario>hola
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11:01<pascal>Could someone give me a hint where to find flie menu.lst? It's not in /boot/grub. I also could not locate it. Thanks
11:01<usuario>yeah i have no idea mate.
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11:03<cahoot>pascal: might be grub.conf if it's grub2
11:03<pascal>Thanks for the hint, I'll have a look!
11:04<cahoot>pascal: ...but you probably don't want to edit that
11:04<pascal>There is a file grub.cfg
11:05<cahoot>that's correct
11:06<pascal>The point is that the installer gave me Kernel 2.6.32-trunk.386 & 2.6.32-5. I want to use the second one, as I cannot install Linux-Header for the trunk version. Also didn't quite understand what the trunk-version actually is.
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11:06<pascal>During boot the trunk version always comes on top.
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11:07<bremner>delete the trunk version?
11:07<cahoot>boot the the one you want aptitude purge the other once you know you have a working system
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11:07<gredin>I got rid of the trunk version without problem
11:07<craigevil>!trunk
11:07<dpkg>[trunk] a term from version control systems such as <cvs>, <svn> and <git>. The "trunk" can often be thought of as a developer's playground, the stability (or otherwise) of the code varies from project to project. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trunk_(software) . Debian 2.6.32-trunk-* kernel image/headers packages are obsolete and were removed from the archive ; /msg judd kernel --release squeeze ; see Debian bug #568160 and <kernel abi>.
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11:09<pascal>I will google how to delete the trunk version. I'm a relative newcomer to Linux. When booting the 2.6.26.32-5 kernel I get the error messages that my partitions could not be identified via udev or UUID (I don't recall exactly what the message was)
11:09<pascal>Though it works fine
11:09<cahoot>boot the the one you want, then aptitude purge the other when you know you have a working system
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11:10<cahoot>pascal: you do not want to remove kernels 'manually' - use aptitude
11:12<pascal>@cahoot: Thanks! I installed from the DVD not Businesscard, as the later option somehow could not remember the passphrase for encrypted LVMs (even tried it with phrase 123), only DVD would do and it installed trunk version before system upgrade to Sid.
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11:12<darius>hi, i just upgraded from 2.6.26-eeepc to 2.6.32-bpo-5 kernel and cant gat wifi working. syslog then wifi enabled http://pastebin.org/382918
11:12<craigevil>dpkg -l | grep linux-image; then use aptitude purge foo to remove the trunk kernel
11:12<dpkg>ii | grep linux-image; then use aptitude purge foo to remove the trunk kernel 1.9-11.1 craigevil's private stamp collection
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11:13<pascal>Thanks for your help guys!! :-))))
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11:14<darius>i also installed firmware-ralink, rt2860sta driver is loaded automaticaly, iwconfig shows interface wlan0. also renamed ra0 to wlan0 in interfaces ant udev
11:14<bremner>pascal: probably somebody already told you, but sid is not recommended for "relative newcomers to linux"
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11:15<darius>as log shows there something with firmware loading..
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11:17<craigevil>darius: if you haven't already take a look at http://wiki.debian.org/rt2860sta
11:17<darius>i did as described in there
11:18<darius>but it seems that rt2860.bin is missing on my system even with firmware-ralink installed
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11:20<darius>craigevil: well i clicked link for eeePC 901 (as it is one i have)
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11:22<ponchale>alguien
11:22<ponchale>presente
11:22<ponchale>buenos dias
11:22<witte>!es
11:22<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat
11:23<ponchale>join #debian-es
11:25<witte>ponchale: the "/" is important ;-): /join #debian-es
11:26<pascal>>><bremner> pascal: probably somebody already told you, but sid is not recommended for "relative newcomers to linux" I use sid on a second computer that can crash once in a while. Just for playing around. On my rpoductive system I use Testing. Haven't had any problems so far, except for graphics drrvers, but that it seems is not Debian specific issue.
11:26<bremner>pascal: ok, sounds like you know what to expect, that's good.
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11:27<pascal>It's remarkable stable though, only crashed three times so far. Rather it was Iceweasel in conjunction with that great invention Flash when watching the soccer world championship.
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11:28<bremner>the problem with sid is mainly when you upgrade it and things go to hell.
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11:29<flores>HOLA KEBHELPR
11:29<flores>hola
11:29<pascal>the problem with sid is mainly when you upgrade it - What is what you to all the time!!
11:29<flores>hola
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11:29<flores>flres
11:29<flores>flores
11:29<bremner>!es flores
11:29<dpkg>flores: Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat
11:29<flores>hola
11:29<ponchale>hola
11:29<ponchale>flores
11:29<bremner>oh ffs
11:30<flores>eres un chico ponchale
11:30<flores>o una chica
11:30<witte>pascal: yes, but not when you are running stable
11:30<ponchale>hombre por que?
11:30<flores>no por n
11:30<flores>a
11:30<@Ganneff>!en
11:30<dpkg>The language of #debian is English. We will do our best to help you regardless of your level of English but you might be more comfortable asking for help in your own language. Ask me about your language code for more information, for example /msg dpkg br ; /msg dpkg pt ; /msg dpkg es ; /msg dpkg fr ; /msg dpkg de
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11:30<pascal>Correct, but Sid is NOT Stable.
11:30<ponchale>y tu a que te dedicas
11:30<ponchale>flores
11:30<flores>bueno era por k yo soy una chaca
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11:30<flores>u es decir chica
11:30<darius>and it seems that there is /dev/.udev/firmware-missing/rt2860.bin link to /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1c.3/0000:01:00.0/firmware/0000:01:00.0
11:31<@Ganneff>!es
11:31<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat
11:31<flores>cuantos años tienes ponchale
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11:31<ponchale>18 y tu
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11:34<bremner>pascal: you should probably install apt-listbugs, and pay attention to what it says.
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11:54<ponchale>hi
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11:54<ponchale>alguien de colombia?
11:54<ponchale>someone from Colombia
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11:59<bremner>!tell ponchale -about es-social
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12:35<sisk>How do I ensure that fbcon gets loaded at boot instead of radeondrmfb?
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13:02<craigevil>sisk: you can try blacklisting radeondrmfb
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13:32<SIG_IGN>My laptop requires tg3 for BCm57XX chipset
13:32<SIG_IGN>I recompiled tg3 module successfully
13:32<SIG_IGN>but it never works first time
13:32<SIG_IGN>any ideas ?
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13:43<qq->lenny tg3 work great here w/o any recompile
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13:45<ananth123>can anyone help me configure my sound card with alsa ? im not getting any sound
13:45<qq->ran alsaconf
13:45<ananth123>yes, i did that
13:45<ananth123>it shows the sound card drivers as being loaded
13:45<ananth123>but i get no output
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13:45<ananth123>lspci -v shows the sound card device
13:45<bartm>ananth123: maybe the volume is to be turned up
13:46<ananth123>all volumes are up... 85+ and they are not mute
13:46<qq->ananth123, id . and see that you are audio group
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13:47<ananth123>well, actually the problem started after i installed a new sound card. earlier i was using the onboard card.
13:47<ananth123>i disabled the onboard card in bios
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13:48<ananth123>and tried to use only the new card
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13:48<ananth123>qq- the id is added to the audio group
13:50<deavid>any suggestions for downloading a LiveCD for repairing and mainenance of a Debian Sid system?
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13:50<deavid>i heard before about KANOTIX, which is a debian livecd
13:50<craigevil>deavid: grml
13:50<ananth123>the card is 5.1 audio but i currently have only 2.1 speakers
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13:52<deavid>craigevil: thx, i'll try that one :-)
13:53<ananth123>also, alsaconf has been removed from alsa-utils....
13:53<qq->deavid, debian-live ...
13:54<qq->10 Jul 04 19:44<ananth123> yes, i did that
13:54<qq->10 Jul 04 19:44<ananth123> it shows the sound card drivers as being loaded
13:54<ananth123>alsactl
13:55<ananth123>and alsamixer shows the sound card drivers in that
13:55<qq->ananth123, /msg dpkg alsa-checklist
13:56<ananth123>qq-: ok thanks!
13:56<qq->np
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13:59<cahoot>ananth123: what soundcard is card0 (i e default) according to cat /proc/asound/cards?
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14:01<ananth123>cahoot: just 1 listed.... thats the default... the new sound card
14:01<ananth123>arghhhh
14:01<cahoot>card0?
14:01<ananth123>its working now...
14:01<ananth123>yes
14:01<ananth123>card0
14:01<ananth123>muting s/pdif made it work!
14:01<ananth123>grr
14:02<ananth123>thanks all for your help :)
14:02<bartm>enjoy!
14:02<ananth123>what the heck is s/pdif ?
14:02<ananth123>anyways..... im glad it works. :)
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14:02<ananth123>will google later
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14:06<jhutchins_lt>ananth123: Sony/Phillips Digital Information Format
14:06<ananth123>jhutchins_lt: thanks :)
14:07<ananth123>reading about it now...
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14:25<qimo>bonjous
14:25<qimo>bonjours
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14:26<bartm>!fr
14:26<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur irc.oftc.net. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.oftc.net.
14:26<ananth123>is it possible to install a 32bit browser in an amd64 system ?
14:26<bartm>yes
14:27<bartm>in a chroot, as described in the amd64 howto
14:27<ananth123>bartm: ok thanks :)
14:27<bartm>ananth123: http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html
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14:29<ananth123>thanks!
14:30<bartm>np
14:31<gredin>exit
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14:53<chaos-irssi>how do i make kde load automatically on my vnc server?
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14:59<handheldcar>anybody know why this doesn't work in xdm http://paste.debian.net/79622/ ? It's supposed to shutdown the computer
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15:13<chaos-irssi>how do i make kde load automatically on my vnc server?
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15:33<chaos-irssi>how do i make kde load automatically on my vnc server?
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15:38<hacman>Hi! Does an apt-cache policy replacement for aptitude exist?
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15:42<old>hacman: Do you mean `aptitude policy`?
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15:54<hacman>old: aptitude policy doesn't exist ;)
15:54<chaos-irssi>still can't get kde to start on my vnc
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15:56<hacman>chaos-irssi: I don't know much about vnc, but you should say which vnc you use on which debian version...
15:57<hacman>I remember usinging tightvnc, which did work out of the box with a desktop environment (6 years ago)
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15:58<chaos-irssi>tightvnc testing debian 2.6.34 kernel
15:58<old>hacman: You are right. I thought Aptitude had it.
15:58<chaos-irssi>it was working b4 i upgraded my packages too
15:59<old>hacman: Check wajig.
15:59<hacman>chaos-irssi: Okay, these are points you should always mention... but I can't help you
15:59<chaos-irssi>>)
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16:02<hacman>old: I'm not searching for another program, because I could use apt instead. But I was interested if there's a replacement in aptitude...
16:02<hacman>old: Thank you anyway ;)
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16:09<ottoshmidt>according to nvidia wiki I need to add some parameters into xorg.conf to make it use Nvidia driver and what if there is no xorg.con on system?
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16:09<ottoshmidt>like newer version of X is said not to use xorg.conf at all
16:10<ottoshmidt>and should I create xorg.conf anyway or something else should be done
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16:13<craigevil>ottoshmidt: run X -configure it will create a xorg.conf or you can just create a blank xorg.conf then use nvidia-xconfig
16:14<ottoshmidt>craigevil, try which of them first?
16:14<craigevil>X -configure will create a xorg.conf, while nvidia-xconfig will add the nvidia settings to it for you
16:15<ottoshmidt>i see
16:15<ottoshmidt>be back
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16:21<ottoshmidt>craigevil, I rebooted and NVIDIA logo appeared when booting
16:21<dogbite>Hello
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16:21<dogbite>can anyone direct me where I should go for help in Tcl/tk?
16:21<ottoshmidt>and no i want to check if nvidia driver is running
16:21<ottoshmidt>*now
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16:22<ottoshmidt>yes it did
16:22<ottoshmidt>thank
16:22<ottoshmidt>you
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17:11<Mortvert>>:|
17:11<Mortvert>how can i compile firefox .tar.bz2 archive?
17:11<Mortvert>i'm lost
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17:14<qq->ask #firefox
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17:24<simonrvn>Mortvert: you don't. if there's a binary 'firefox' in it, you don't.
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17:26<craigevil>Mortvert: you dont, you extract it, then create a shortcut to launch it
17:26<Mortvert>simonrvn, craigevil thanks
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17:27<Mortvert>it works. :3
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17:48<WapiFlapi>hi
17:51<WapiFlapi>I have another little problem , i am in comand line mode , (basic install without X ) , and my screen is a little offbeat , I cant see the first character of each line, and on the right ihave got a black space ff about the same size.
17:51<WapiFlapi>any idea how to fix this ?
17:51<staspika_>Hello all! In the last weeks, on my two Debian Squeeze machines, Evolution does not appear in nautilus-sendto. What can it be? I still can choose Pidgin, and so on, but not Evolution.
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17:53<staspika_>WapiFlapi, have you considered to adjust your display
17:54<WapiFlapi>i cant, i a running Debian (lenny) on a PPC (iMac G) , there are no configuration buttons for the screen :/
17:54<WapiFlapi>*G3
17:55<staspika_>There should be at least one button that does everything then! =)
17:56<WapiFlapi>hum not that I know, but i will check it on the web. (would realy surprise me if there was )
17:57<staspika_>WapiFlapi, it was a joke. But I believe, you problem is exactly the properties of the monitor.
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17:57<WapiFlapi>staspika_: not funny joking with newbies as me :D
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18:00<WapiFlapi>staspika_: could you tell me where to look to change this propperties ? or give me a clue of the name of the system that handles it ? cause i only find stuff for X on google :/
18:00<staspika_>WapiFlapi, I have no idea, I have no mac.
18:01<WapiFlapi>ok, so this has basicaly nothing to do with debian , corect ?
18:01<staspika_>WapiFlapi, I believe so.
18:01<WapiFlapi>thank you for your help :) i will check some mac forums / chans then ;)
18:02<staspika_>Well, may be there is some possibility to adjust the properties of the monitor from the system. But nothing I know about.
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18:08<chealer>WapiFlapi: what kind of screen do you have?
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18:17<WapiFlapi>chealer: its the screen of the iMac G3 PPC , (i am looking for more technical data right now )
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18:19<chealer>WapiFlapi: so an LVDS?
18:20<WapiFlapi>Its a 15-inch (14.8-inch viewable) shadow-mask CRT screen with 1024 x 768 pixel resolution x)
18:20<WapiFlapi>LVDS
18:20<WapiFlapi>what does that mean ?
18:20<WapiFlapi>(googling right now )
18:20<bremner>LVDS = not CRT
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18:20<chealer>WapiFlapi: OK, so not an LVDS. how is the screen connected to the PC?
18:21<WapiFlapi>it is an all in one :/
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18:23<WapiFlapi>the graphics are done by an ATI Rage Pro MB SGRAM memory
18:23<chealer>WapiFlapi: the CRT screen is integrated with the PC?
18:23<WapiFlapi>*6mb
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18:23<WapiFlapi>(still not used to not use the keypad .... )
18:23<WapiFlapi>yes
18:23<WapiFlapi>(well its a mac actualy )
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18:24<chealer>oh, it's an Apple PC
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18:24<WapiFlapi>(i said so i think :/ sory if i forgot )
18:26<chealer>wow, that's ancient and odd. sorry, good luck with that.
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18:26<WapiFlapi>thanks :) well its runing quite well actualy, the offbeat is the only problem :p
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18:27<WapiFlapi>well thanks everybody for tring to help :) you're doing a great job.
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18:40<s414414>hi
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18:46<felidio>someone knows
18:47<felidio>how create drivers?
18:47<WapiFlapi>people that made them probably know ... (ok ok stupid remark)
18:47<felidio>i want make a usb mouse with a nintendo 64 control
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18:47<felidio>how can i do that?
18:48<felidio>what i need to know?
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18:51<qq->felidio, http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/7353
18:52<qq->(and google before asking)
18:52<felidio>thanx
18:53<qq->np
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19:01<WapiFlapi>chealer: I have looked through everything again , and i think i have found a solution , but i havent the knowledge to apply it ( i am a newbie remember ? ) so can I pm you ? i have a couple of questions)
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19:20<s_i_m>i am on current sid. after an update i have lost my dvd/cdrom drive (no corresponding device in /dev/ at all). I have tried removing /etc/udev/...-persistent-cd crap, but it did not help.
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19:21<s_i_m>any ideas?
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19:25<s_i_m>i really miss the times when /dev was static
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19:28<s_i_m>heh, no one here
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19:31<qq-> ls /dev/ | grep sr
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19:32<qq->say sr0 ?
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19:37<simonrvn>static /dev is nice. you had to konw/find what the device numbers/types were, and made you think. now it's just blah and annoyance.
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19:38*dvs likes udev
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19:44*scientes thinks usermode/kernelmode is stupid, you USE to have to actually know where stuff was in ram, and it made you think cause you could accidentally corrupt your disk or crash the whole system from a tidly user program, now its just security, stability, and reliability
19:44<scientes>lawl
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19:49<simonrvn>!lawl
19:49<dpkg>it has been said that lawl is the sound of someone who has been on IRC too much. see also: roffle.
19:49<dvs>lol
19:49<dvs>oh wait
19:51<scientes>!roffle
19:51<chealer>WapiFlapi: just ask the channel
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19:53<WapiFlapi>chealer: found it :) someone helps me on an other channel , i will post the answer once everything works :)
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20:11<Alvin>is ssh safe to use how do I lock it down
20:11<tomg>yes, dpkg-reconfigure ssh
20:12<Alvin>I was told by my isp that someone hacked my system and used it to attack a bank
20:13<tomg>really?
20:13<Alvin>yep I was shocked I thought ssh and at the time ubuntu was unbrakable I've now installed debian
20:14<Alvin>but before I continue I need to know are there any holes?
20:14<tomg>it may be that your ISP is mistaken, also it's likely that if your system had a security breakin it was through some other service
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20:15<tomg>holes are fixed very quickly, if you like, read the Debian security page: http://www.debian.org/security/
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20:15<tomg>are you giving people accounts on your computer?
20:15<Alvin>ismy system was used to stage a phishing site I knew it was correct as they were using a folder I reently created to learn mysql and php
20:16<Alvin>no I'm the only user
20:16<tomg>did you install any other PHP software?
20:17<Alvin>don't think I did but cannot confirm as yet need to go through harddisk
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20:17<tomg>If you know the break-in was through PHP why did you ask about SSH?
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20:18<Alvin>I'm not sure the phishing refererence included a folfer I created for learning php
20:19<Alvin>ssh is the only remote connection users are allowed to connect to the system
20:19<tomg>Sounds like the break-in was through your PHP code
20:19<Alvin>could php be used to open a hole in the system?
20:20<tomg>definitely
20:20<tomg>with PHP you can write files and execute code, unless this is locked down somehow
20:21<tomg>it's been done many, many times, with exploiting already written PHP packages
20:21<Alvin>but how and how can it be locked down?
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20:21<tomg>the security exploit of PHP I saw took advantage of a user-supplied variable to an include file that didn't set uhm
20:22<tomg>you're supposed to set something to do with no URI args
20:22<Alvin>I downloaded some free video tutorials off this guy's web site I can send you the url one tick
20:22<tomg>but I should also mention that last I heard, which was admittedly seven or so years ago, PHP was very insecure and they weren't doing anything about it
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20:23<tomg>so to answer your question about locking it down, I don't even know if it's possible
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20:23<Alvin>huh? i thought it was the one of the more secure ssi scripting langs
20:23<aaronyy>There is hardened php
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20:24<Alvin>where can I get that from hardened php?
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20:25<Alvin>so then ssh is still safe to use then what do you guys use as a firewall?
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20:25<tomg>I don't know about hardened PHP. Have you checked Google?
20:25<tomg>Yes, SSH is still safe to use, probably about two hundred times safer than PHP
20:25<Alvin>doin that now...
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20:25<aaronyy>It's called php5-suhosin in ubuntu
20:26<tomg>Firewalls are not commonly used on Linux and wouldn't stop someone from making a PHP exploit
20:26<tomg>I am a little surprised that someone would find and exploit a home-made PHP site
20:27<tomg>Yeah, so the last thing is that I don't think it was Ubuntu's fault either :-)
20:27<Alvin>are there any measures to implement once php is used? or is it DON't USE PHP?
20:28<scientes>well, ssh depends on password security
20:28<scientes>but if you set it to public key only
20:28<scientes>then you are pretty tight
20:28<scientes>but yeah, php is a differn't matter
20:28<scientes>but it does runs under a differnt user
20:28<scientes>and you can use MAC, etc
20:28<Alvin>how would I go about doing that would I have to carry the key on a usb stick?
20:29<scientes>Alvin, pretty much
20:29<scientes>just depends what the use scenario is
20:29<tomg>I'm not saying don't use PHP.
20:29<tomg>One idea is to wrap your Web site in an HTTP password until you know it's secure
20:29<scientes>or like I said, use MAC to sandbox your web server
20:30<scientes>i like TOMOYO
20:30<scientes>cause it is autolearning
20:30<scientes>i've been having alot of fun with it lately
20:30<tomg>Alvin: I think it's register_vars that you're supposed to turn off in PHP
20:30<Alvin>ok where can I learn about TOMOYO
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20:30<scientes>http://tomoyo.sourceforge.jp/
20:30<tomg>Alvin: There is also a safe_mode in php4.ini (and probably 5) to turn on if you want
20:31<Alvin>is that in the php.ini
20:31<scientes>i had to recompile linux, even though it is in the source
20:31<scientes>and then install tomoyo-tools
20:32<Alvin>do I have to change my sources.lst
20:32<scientes>no
20:32<tomg>safe_mode is, but register_globals... hmm it defaults to off nowadaysw
20:32<scientes>http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=tomoyo-tools
20:32<tomg>Alvin: You can also read the security section of the PHP manual: http://www.php.net/manual/en/security.globals.php
20:33<tomg>Alvin: I mean http://www.php.net/manual/en/security.php
20:33<scientes>but yeah securying php like tomg says, and security user/group basics in your web server is more important
20:33<scientes>but MAC is fun
20:34<tomg>I imagine it is... I don't know what it is, though :-)
20:34<Alvin>ok I'll check this out
20:34<scientes>Mandatory Access Controls
20:34<scientes>like SElinux, but that is no fun :(
20:34<tomg>something from the NSA is no fun? Gasp
20:35<Alvin>what is Mandatory Access Controls
20:35<scientes>read here:
20:35<scientes>http://tomoyo.sourceforge.jp/
20:35<scientes>also: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandatory_access_control
20:36<Alvin>thanks
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20:39<tomg>Alvin: when someone write a page on your Web server they probably only had user www-data access, that is, the same user that PHP runs as
20:40<Alvin>I should have changed that user and reconfigured apache MY FAULT
20:41<tomg>not really, and it wasn't that big a deal if you ask me
20:41<tomg>I had no idea attackers were so aggressive nowadays
20:42<Alvin>I actually went through my root bash history and saw some stuff a script called va was used could'nt find it though
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20:43<tomg>oh. in that case maybe they gained root from www-data
20:43<Alvin>I will have to look at some ahrdening techniques for linux didn't realise it was that open
20:44<ichdasich>Alvin: if you have been compromised... find the cause, and resetup the box.
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20:44<tomg>Me neither. You might have better luck on Debian
20:44<ichdasich>Alvin: no matter, if it was user-comp or root-comp
20:45<dreamer000>they once hacked our mailserver via a php-downloadscript. i Think one has to find places for production environment and put the rest of testing stuff somewhere else..
20:45<Alvin>I got my self a new HD and this is my intital deb install I just thought I'd sound you guys out to see if there was anything I caused
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20:45<tomg>I think we've been sounded out
20:46<ichdasich>Alvin: one more sound hint: before playing on some 100mbiter... try playing around beind some nat/firewall.
20:46<Alvin>I appreciate your help now I have a load of reading to do is ther some packages that would harden the system other than installing SE-Linux
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20:47<tomg>Alvin: I think scientes meant that Tomoyo was a "fun" alternative to SELInux
20:47<Alvin>OK thanks looking into it
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20:48<Alvin>the problem is this is from home very limited...
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20:48<scientes>no, I actually liked tomoyo
20:48<scientes>it autolearns
20:48<tomg>you could establish a private tunnel to your Web server, but otherwise keep it behind NAT and a firewall
20:48<tomg>scientes: sorry, that's what I meant to say
20:49<scientes>np
20:49<Alvin>does that mean all comms will be through tunnels?
20:49<tomg>The Linux firewalling software is called Iptables and comes with Debian
20:49<dreamer000>To me it sounds impossible because you can't know all code thats on your harddisk.
20:49<tomg>Alvin: You could just do port 80 with a tunnel
20:49*dvs misses ipmasq
20:50<scientes>the out-of-tree tomoyo does per-process and per-domain firewalling tooo
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20:50<tomg>ipmasq is gone in Debian 5.0?
20:50<scientes>but i'm using the in-tree version which can only do what LSM hooks enable ATM
20:50*tomg misses it too
20:50<dvs>tomg: yup
20:50<Alvin>what replaces ipmasq in 5.0
20:51<dvs>dunno
20:51<qq->, versions ipmasq
20:51<judd>ipmasq -- etch: 4.0.8-2; lenny: 4.0.8-7
20:51<gsimmons>dvs, tomg: No, it was removed post-Lenny (BTS #538384).
20:51<Alvin>you should still be able to masq ip address and do natting in 5.0?
20:51<tomg>Alvin: ipmasq is in 5.0 after all... it's an automatic NAT firewall setting up set of shell scripts
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20:52<Alvin>hwo would you init the scripts then?
20:52<dvs>wheres the scripts?
20:52<tomg>Alvin: we're getting way ahead of ourselves here
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20:53<Alvin>OK I'll try my best to harden my system anyway...
20:54<Alvin>I was just shocked out of my skin to learn that a linux system could be so easily compromised
20:54<tomg>actually it may be sobering to me too
20:55<arri>hi, i'm trying to burn a netinstall (or businesscard) ISO to dvd-media, but the result fails to boot.
20:55<Alvin>although saying that I'm still not absoulte about how the compromising took place the evidence is on that disk though...
20:55<arri>should this work? and is the disks the problem?
20:55<arri>or should i convert the (cd) iso first somehow?
20:56<arri>(i ran out of blank cd's..)
20:57<tomg>Alvin: that's a project in itself
20:57<Alvin>that's the scary bit I know how involved this is...
20:58<tomg>arri: I don't know, maybe someone else will though
20:58<dreamer000>the problem is that you had to go through all the php code before putting it into webspace
20:59<Alvin>arri: I think you need to ensure that the boot image is included in your files you should have all the instructions maybe it could be the software your'e using to burn...
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21:00<sof>You can download a couple of image files of small size, suitable for USB-Sticks and similar devices. Write them to the media, and then start the installation by booting from that.
21:00<sof>There is some diversity in the support for installing from various very small images between the architectures. Here are the links to the available image files (look at the MANIFEST file for information):
21:00<Alvin>I did though as I was learning the php code and writing each line from the ones from the video...
21:01<tomg>Alvin: speaking of which, you can give me the URLs to those videos if you want
21:01<arri>tomg,alvin: all i ready is that it should work, so i guess it's a bad media (el cheapo brand)
21:01<dreamer000>Yes you should get and burn the iso in a safe place. noone can tell wher did put some code. Did you run fprot and clamav to search on your hd?
21:01<Alvin>didn't see anything suspicious that's why I reckon this must have been an out and out attack rather than trojan code.
21:02<Alvin>don't have them installed it would seem that they are necessary then
21:03<Alvin>yeah one tick let me check...
21:03<dreamer000>Probably they only defined php-scriptcode for doing their job. But who knows? A good idea would also be rthen to have iptraf running
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21:07<dreamer000>So you can maybe see where someone tries to make connections
21:07<Alvin>I should have the url in a sec....
21:09<dreamer000>Can anyone tell whether this is a safe way because of the dns-requests of the child-processes?
21:09<Alvin>what is iptraf?
21:10<tomg>dreamer: you mean dns requests from iptraf tracking the connections? you can always turn those off anyway
21:10<dreamer000>you see all your connections and packets travelling through your network
21:10<tomg>Alvin: iptraf is a nice Internet connection displaying program
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21:18<Alvin>there's the url http://www.developphp.com/list_php_video.php
21:20<tomg>okay, thanks
21:20<Alvin>it was very good instructions to the teeth...
21:20<Alvin>and all for free..
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21:27<tomg>Alvin: I guess you should go over your PHP with a fine-toothed comb before you let anyone other than yourself access it
21:28<tomg>but others said it more correctly than me
21:28<tomg>Alvin: I also suspect having Debian installed may decrease the likelihood of root exploits
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21:29<Alvin>yeah thanks for the tomg I will in the future I think I will have to resign myself to also installing f-prot and some other AV package clam etc.,
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21:30<Alvin>what do you use tomg?
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21:31<tomg>uhm. I don't exist
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21:31<tomg>I don't actually do anything in production
21:31<Alvin>huh? have you installed any AV etc.
21:32<tomg>no. I don't have any Web servers going at this time anyway
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21:33<tomg>I mean anti-viruses are not what you want for Web servers, or for Linux really
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21:33<Alvin>how about chkrootkit?
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21:38<tomg>I don't have a Web server to install anything on, and I think that the appropriate policy is to practice your PHP somewhere that's not accessible to anyone but you and use a distribution you think might be more secure
21:38<tomg>I think that's all you need for starters
21:39<Alvin>gotcha thanks for that makes alot of sense...
21:39<tomg>really?
21:39<Alvin>thing was I use linux @ work and @ home and tried to manage code changes between the two systems
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21:40<tomg>sounds hairy. but what does that have to do with security problems?
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21:52<tomg>I've gotta go
21:52<Alvin>I also ssh'd between home and work could weel be source of problems
21:53<Alvin>OK tomg thanks again really appreciate your input...
21:54<tomg>you could change your SSH policy but it's probably not a serious problem
21:55<tomg>you're welcome but it wasn't just me :-)
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21:58<Alvin>thanks dreamer000 and sof
21:58<Alvin>leaving now
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22:01<chealer>arri: which software do you use?
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22:05<Silicium01>is there any way I can "roll back" a package that I upgraded from debian multimedia?
22:05<Silicium01>libavcodec51I need to get back Lenny's default libavcodec51
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22:07<qq->purge it , remove multimedia from sources, update, install it
22:07<Silicium01>qq-, well, when i try to purge it it also removes all the dependencies, like gnome* and others
22:07<Silicium01>I do not want to have to reinstall gnome
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22:09<craigevil>Silicium01: use Synaptic hightlight the package then goto Package and select Force version then right click on the package and choose the version you need
22:09<craigevil>probably and easier way to do it using aptitude
22:10<Silicium01>craigevil, I'll try with synaptic, thanks for advice
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22:11<dpkg>Is aptitude or apt-get trying to remove packages that it thinks were automatically installed? This happens when you "aptitude install gnome" and then later remove bits of it, the gnome meta-package will be uninstalled and aptitude will try to remove lots more. Fix this by running "aptitude install packagename" or "aptitude unmarkauto packagename" on strategically chosen packages, or reinstall the <metapackage>.
22:11<lontra>hi i just copied all my files and directories from a usb onto my hard drive and all of my files are in read only. how can i change these to read+write permission?
22:11<craigevil>actually isnt it aptitude install $packageversion
22:12<qq->no, versions depends on distribution
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22:13<lontra>would chmod +w Documents/* work?
22:14<lontra>nope :(
22:14<qq->but there is too ,something as, aptitude install packagename=x.y.z
22:15<lontra>any ideas?
22:15<qq->lontra, use mc
22:15<lontra>i want to do it quickly from a terminal
22:16<lontra>i don't need mc to do this
22:16<qq->man chmod
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22:33<arri>chealer: i'm using Disk Utility on Mac OSX. this always worked in the past.
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22:44<chealer>arri: when you say you burn to dvd-media, does that just mean burning on a DVD?
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22:58<hapsburg>i'm having some odd behavior with some networking: looking with wireshark i can see repeated bad checksums for certain traffic... any suggestions on how to investigate?
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23:08<arri>chealer: yes, a blank DVD disc (+r in this case)
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23:10<arri>but i just found a blank DVD-r disk of a -real- brand (verbatim)
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23:10<arri>now about to can at least test if different brand and type maybe does work
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23:18<chealer>arri: did you already burn an operating system?
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23:18<arri>chealer: you mean before? (in my life?) - or just yet after finding the dvd-r disk>
23:19<arri>?
23:19<arri>i just finished burning..
23:20<arri>the dvd-r disk that is. i'll test that now. will be back in a few minutes to report.
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23:24<chealer>yeah, I mean before Debian, in your life
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23:33<arri>ok, that was simple; it is bad media.
23:34<Tecna>I'm currently running Debian Lenny on a production machine. Mounting an NTFS Truecrypt file container using ntfs-3g crashes my system with a memory overload. This does not happen when mounting the same volume with read-only kernel support for NTFS, nor when mounting non-Truecrypt volumes with ntfs-3g. I've never had this problem with any other OS. I've spent a month between this channel and Google looking for a solution. I haven't even
23:34<Tecna>sorry for long post
23:34<arri>the dvd+r disks (cheap/white-label) are what could be expected: bas quality..
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23:36<Tecna>I'm at the point where I'm considering upgrading to Squeeze to see if that helps this.
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23:37<Tecna>does anyone have any advice?
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23:38<craigevil>Tecna: tried updating to a newer kernel from backports?
23:38<Tecna>craigevil: I'll try now.
23:39<chaos-irssi>i've run apt-get upgrade which forced me to upgrade my kernel too and remove sysfs from it and now kde won't start in my vnc :(
23:40<craigevil>backports has the same kernel that testing and unstable have 2.6.32-5
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23:44<Tecna>craigevil: I'm a bit lost. I don't know the package name to install
23:44<craigevil>32 or 64bit?
23:44<Tecna>32
23:45<craigevil>aptitude install -t lenny-backports linux-image-2.6.32-bpo.5-686
23:47<Tecna>it wants to install firmware-linux-free with it...
23:47<Tecna>is that right?
23:47<Tecna>that doesn't seem right to me
23:48<Tecna>craigevil:
23:48<craigevil>yes somethings that were in 2.6.26 arent in the newer kernels instead you need the firmware packages
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23:49<Tecna>ok, thanks. it's downloading now
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23:54<craigevil>Tecna: just curious but what version of truecrypt are you using
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23:55<Tecna>6.3a 2009-11-23
23:56<Tecna>what's crypttab?
23:56<pythonic>Tecna: cryptsetup config
23:56<pythonic>Tecna: /etc/crypttab
23:57<Tecna>for use with luks, disks i presume
23:57<pythonic>yes
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23:58<Tecna>rebooting. brb
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