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#debian IRC Logs for 2010-07-05

---Logopened Mon Jul 05 00:00:38 2010
---Daychanged Mon Jul 05 2010
00:00<hapsburg>anybody have a clue on how to configure checksum offloading for a NIC?
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00:06<Tecna>I'm testing now. if I disappear without saying anything, it means it crashed again.
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00:08<th3Xfagtr>anyone know of any good programs i an use to text my cell phones?
00:09<th3Xfagtr>looking to use SMS
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00:14<prem>is there any easy way to format the whole harddisk (which has 7 partitions) in a singel command..?
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00:31<Tecna>failed again
00:32<Tecna>this time I got a photo of the screen with the system montitor showing the running processes.
00:32<Tecna>I noticed 2 odd things.
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00:35<Tecna>there were a few separate instances of truecrypt running, and both mount.ntfs and mount.ntfs-3g were running.
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00:35<bja>Tecna: ps -AF renders the same information, you car redirect it to a file and paste it wherever you want
00:37<craigevil>damn gotta love how they wait 2 seonds for an annwer, < sms app
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00:37<Tecna>bja: I can't do that while the system is crashing
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00:39<Tecna>bja: except I could run a bash script that keeps doing it until the system is totally dead.
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00:46<Tecna>bja: ps -AF > ~/ps.0.log ; while [ 0 = 0 ] ; do ; ps -AF > ~/ps.1.log ; ps -AF > ~/ps.2.log ; done
00:46<Tecna>that should do it, right?
00:47<bja>Tecna: wait a sec let me take a look at my bash notes
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00:49<Tecna>bja: ps -AF > ~/ps.0.log ; while [ 0 = 0 ] ; do ps -AF > ~/ps.1.log ; ps -AF > ~/ps.2.log ; done
00:49<craigevil>Tecna: anything in the kernel, dmesg, or xorg logs?
00:49<Tecna>I had an errant ;
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00:50<Tecna>hold on, I'll find them
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00:53<Tecna>craigevil: I don't see anything out of the ordinary. I'm going to try logging a crash now. brb
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01:05<deepblue>hi what do you think of debian - sidux?
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01:05<simonrvn>sidux != debian
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01:06<deepblue><simonrvn> ???
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01:06<deepblue>what do you mean???
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01:06<simonrvn>it's not the same
01:06<dpkg>Please stop using excessive punctuation. One exclamation point, question mark, period, ellipsis, comma, hyphen or interrobang is more than sufficient. Using excess punctuation means that you're more likely to be ignored by those who actually can help you, as it makes it difficult to see what you're actually asking. Continued use of excessive punctuation may result in a ban.
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01:09<deepblue>sidux is based on debian with own packages... and...???
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01:10<deepblue>it s not the same true
01:10<sisk>How do you mount bin+cue image files?
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01:13<Tecna>craigevil: all new processes started after starting the mount process in truecrypt -
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01:13<Tecna>does any of that look odd to you?
01:15<craigevil>never used truecrypt on a windows partition
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01:18<codebreaker>hello guys
01:18<codebreaker>how are u all
01:18<Tecna>hold on, let me play with some mount options to see something here...
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01:20<codebreaker>any idea
01:20<codebreaker>how to join a channel
01:20<codebreaker>using command
01:20<codebreaker>i am a newb
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01:21<codebreaker>u there
01:22<craigevil> /j #channelname
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01:23<Tecna>hi, codebreaker
01:23<Tecna> /join #channel
01:23<codebreaker>thanks guys
01:23<codebreaker>i know now
01:26<Tecna>what about whois?
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01:29<CoDeBreKER>how come
01:29<CoDeBreKER>this server shows my real
01:29<CoDeBreKER>even though
01:29<CoDeBreKER>i am using a fake one
01:29<CoDeBreKER>anyone have any idea
01:31<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
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01:32<CoDeBreKER>none of u
01:32<CoDeBreKER>have any idea
01:32<CoDeBreKER>how come
01:32<CoDeBreKER>this debian server shows my real ip address
01:32<CoDeBreKER>even though i am using proxy
01:33<Tecna>CoDeBreKER: I think you're about to get kicked
01:33<CoDeBreKER>no no
01:33<CoDeBreKER>what did i do
01:33<CoDeBreKER>i asked a question to know its simple
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01:33<CoDeBreKER>its in ubuntu
01:33<Tecna>for the last time...
01:33<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
01:34<franki^>I haven't seen any question marks, so have you really asked any questions? :P
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01:34<CoDeBreKER>yes i did
01:34<CoDeBreKER>ok let me repeate that again
01:35<Tecna>CoDeBreKER: you have until 30 seconds ago to learn how to use puctuation.
01:36<CoDeBreKER>how come ven i am using proxy in my ubuntu and hide my ip which tells me something different but still this debian server has recognised my real is that possible?????
01:36<jm_>because we are hackers
01:36<Tecna>I'm calling troll. Until an op bans this guys, he's on my ignore list.
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01:37<CoDeBreKER>i havent said anything wrong
01:37<CoDeBreKER>why u wanna kick me
01:37<CoDeBreKER>i just asked a question if no one knows then its ok
01:37<Torsten_W>and here is #debian, not #ubuntu
01:38<Tecna>Torsten_W: He'd last about 10 seconds in #ubuntu.
01:38<CoDeBreKER>its okk
01:38<CoDeBreKER>almost same
01:38<CoDeBreKER>am i not right?
01:39<dpkg>ops is, like, Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the ops to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban.
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01:41<Tecna>!ops CoDeBreKER (off-topic, enter-keyflooding, excessive punctuation, ignoring instructions to abide guidelines, ignoring warnings.)
01:41<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: tecna complains about: CoDeBreKER (off-topic, enter-keyflooding, excessive punctuation, ignoring instructions to abide guidelines, ignoring warnings.)
01:42<Tecna>anyway... I found a workaround for my truecrypt problem
01:42<CoDeBreKER>is truecrypt is better the KGpg?
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01:43<Tecna>I have to choose to not mount the filesystem in truecrypt, then mount it manually with the mount command.
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01:45<Tecna>methinks I need a script for this.
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01:54<Tecna>I think maybe the source of the problem might have been filesystem errors that were fixed by mounting it manually.
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01:56<Tecna>since I don't need a special script to mount the filesystem separately, can someone now help be figure out why my custom init script wont run on startup?
01:56<jm_>where did you put it?
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02:00<jm_>and no symlinks with update-rc.d?
02:00<Tecna>it works fine when I execute it from the commandline with /etc/init.d/ start
02:00<Tecna>I don't even know what you're talking about.
02:00<jm_>man update-rc.d
02:00<Tecna>Did I miss a step?
02:01<jm_>more info in /usr/share/doc/sysv-rc/README.runlevels.gz
02:02<jm_>i'll reboot now to test various kernels, but I think you shall be able to figure it out from the above, otherwise people here will help or wait till i'm back
02:02<Tecna>ok, thanks.
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02:02<Tecna>I'm having trouble understanding the manpages
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02:05<Tecna>anyone else here know how to use update-rc.d?
02:06<Torsten_W>update-rc.d yourscript defaults
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02:07<Tecna>Torsten_W: my script should probably start somewhat late and stop early because it depends on truecrypt, which will need fuse and a few other things.
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02:08<Torsten_W>the depends should be in the script itself
02:08<Torsten_W>but man update-rc.d will tell you, how to set the startposition
02:13<Tecna>Torsten_W: I'm going to try it with defaults to see if it works in spite of my expectations.
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02:43<Tecna>thanks to those who helped me. I'm very happy now.
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03:11<chaos-irssi>i've run apt-get upgrade which forced me to upgrade my kernel too and remove sysfs from it and now kde won't start in my vnc :(
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03:17<chaos>vnc still fucked
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03:18<dbagnall>I'm getting no good answer from `dig` from machines in New Zealand, but it works elsewhere
03:18<dbagnall>likewise security.d.o
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03:22<Danny>im working with debian
03:22<Danny><Danny> have problem installing sound card
03:22<Danny><Danny> can someone help please ?
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03:22<Danny>im working with debian
03:22<Danny><Danny> have problem installing sound card
03:22<Danny><Danny> can someone help please ?
03:23<dpkg>Please don't immediately repeat your question if no one answers it. If no one answers, that means that either no one knows the answer to your question, no one is willing to answer it, or you haven't provided enough information. Ask me about <ask> or <sicco> if you need help phrasing your question. If you don't get an answer here, go ahead and try asking your question on
03:23<Danny>ok sorry
03:23<Danny>new here
03:24<jm_>start by clarifying your problem
03:25<Danny>no sound
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03:25<Danny>uname -a
03:25<Danny>Linux elf 2.6.26-2-686 #1 SMP Mon Jun 21 05:58:44 UTC 2010 i686 GNU/Linux
03:25<jm_>what does it show in /proc/asound/cards? use a pastebin if you want to paste things
03:26<Danny>lspci -> Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 02)
03:27<Danny>no /proc/asound
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03:27<jm_>what happens if you run 'modprobe snd_hda_intel'?
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03:29<jm_>do you see /proc/asound/cards now?
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03:30<Danny>HDA-Intel - HDA Intel
03:30<Danny> HDA Intel at 0x93420000 irq 216
03:30<jm_>ok try playing some stuff now and also check mixer levels
03:30<Danny>thank you very much
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03:30<Danny>would it hold a reboot ?
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03:31<jm_>well I don't know why the module is not loaded, just stick it in /etc/modules and it shall be OK
03:31<Danny>why does it happend ?
03:31<jm_>it should be loaded automatically
03:31<Danny>stick what ?
03:31<Danny>modprobe ?
03:32<jm_>no idea, maybe driver doesn't claim this device
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03:32<jm_>just the module name - snd_hda_intel
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03:32<Danny>can I ask another one ?
03:33<jm_>don't ask to ask
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03:33<Danny>I try to install some software like firefox
03:34<Danny>I know (did it before) I can install through a gui software
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03:34<doobian>iceweasel = firefox in debian
03:34<jm_>yeah just use iceweasel package
03:34<Danny>like skype
03:34<slush>the gui is called synaptic
03:35<Danny>synaptic installes only what's on the list
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03:35<Danny>skype for example is not on the list
03:36<doobian>you will have to add skype's repository to your sources.list
03:36<doobian>deb stable non-free
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03:37<doobian>skype is non-free software and not part of debian
03:37<Danny>I know
03:38<hapsburg>my system has a history of not remembering my alsa configuration, running alsastore doesn't save it... am i missing something?
03:38<Danny>but there was a tool helped me install software I have download not with synaptec
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03:38<jm_>hapsburg: alsastore or alsactl?
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03:40<Danny>another problem I getting is I get errors when try to install something that software missing but in synaptec I see it
03:40<hapsburg>ah, yes, must've been "alsactl store"
03:40<Danny>somehow its not in path or does not "aware" that it is install
03:41<hapsburg>ok, should be something simple! good
03:42<jm_>does it update /var/lib/alsa/asound.state when you run it?
03:43<jm_>also, what does it say at boot when it's restoring the levels?
03:44<hapsburg>yes and what's the log file to show boot messages?
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03:47<chaos>vnc still fucked
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03:49<Danny>why synaptec shows openoffice version 2.5 but in openoffice site latest version 3.2
03:50<hapsburg>Danny: it depends on what your synaptic settings are. if you're running stable just about everything that it will offer for install will be older
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03:51<Danny>ok thanks. and if I would like to change it ?
03:51<Danny>to get more update software ?
03:51<hapsburg>if you want newer programs listed for install you should move from stable to sid or install programs yourself from source or binary from another location... consider using backports at
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03:52<hapsburg>if i were you i'd install the backports repo first and see if that satisfies you
03:53<Danny>if I download myself
03:53<hapsburg>if that doesn't work consider moving to sid
03:53<Danny>what would be the best graphic installer to use ?
03:54<hapsburg>graphic installer for programs?
03:54<hapsburg>or an OS?
03:54<chealer>hapsburg: sid as a default release is only for maintainers
03:54<hapsburg>chealer: only suggested for maintainers?
03:55<chealer>hapsburg: yes
03:55<jm_>hapsburg: /var/log/boot if enabled
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03:55<Danny>graphic way to install programs not appearing in synaptec
03:55<hapsburg>news to me, i've never run sid, never considered running it... don't want problems... not an expert on sid :-)
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03:56<hapsburg>jm_: /var/log/boot has nothing in it, contains "(Nothing has been logged yet.)"
03:57<hapsburg>jm_: i'm pretty sure that during boot it says something like 'loading alsa... ok done'
03:57<chealer>Danny: you can use Debian testing if you wish, but expect issues in particular if you don't understand Debian package management well.
03:57<jm_>hapsburg: right, see /etc/default/bootlogd
03:57<jm_>I need to reboot again since it looks like rmmod of old vbox modules and modprobe of new ones doesn't work
03:58<hapsburg>jm_: nice!
03:58<Danny>would preffer to avoid problems as possible
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03:59<hapsburg>chealer: yes, good point... i defer to your obviously more potent wisdom
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03:59<chealer>Danny: there is no such tool except possibly gdebi, which I never used. you probably don't want that.
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04:00<Danny>I had something that I could exctract and install on debian
04:00<Danny>I just not remember the name of it
04:00<hapsburg>Danny: could it be something used to install a single program? i know some programs like truecrypt have an executable that you need to run
04:00<Danny>so in order to get update software I should use backport and not sid
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04:01<Danny>yes single program
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04:02<hapsburg>it might not be to your satisfaction but try it anyway... install the repo access via synaptic or /etc/apt/sources.list then reload/refresh your apt then compare the program versions
04:02<chealer>Danny: you shouldn't use sid as a default release. you can use backport if you're missing specific features/software. if you just want newer software in general, switch to testing.
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04:02<hapsburg>Danny: i've never seen something like what you're talking about either
04:03<Danny>maybe I did not explain correctly
04:04<Danny>thanks anyway
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04:06<Lethalman>hey, flash player non free is not up-to-date due to the missing 64 bit version, and gnash is not installable
04:06<Lethalman>any suggestion other than using flashplayer 32-bit?
04:07<jm_>heh I just live without flash crap
04:07<Lethalman>jm_, the problem is that not all videos are in html5
04:07<chaos>i upgraded my packages and installed a new kernel with no sysfs (udev!!) and now my vnc starts with no window manager HELP!!!! (since nobody answered for a day i've put this on a loop)
04:08<jm_>Lethalman: why is gnash not installable? there was a blog post on debian planet about someone switching to it successfulyl, but I didn't bother (I just use clive for youtube if it doesn't work in chrome)
04:09<chaos>jm_: yeah i guess ppl in afghanistan live without inet too quite ok :P
04:09<Lethalman>jm_, broken dependencies in sid
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04:09<Lethalman>jm_, I think I'll install previous version of flash player from the cache/snapshots and that's it
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04:11<jm_>chaos: at least they get to enjoy shooting at yanks
04:11<chaos>everything has its upsides :P
04:11<jm_>Lethalman: that won't help -- it doesn't include the
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04:12<chaos>although i suspect shooting at yanks is a risky undertaking :)
04:12<Lethalman>jm_, ah you think adobe deleted the previous version
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04:13<jm_>Lethalman: no, I am referring to flashplayer installer packages - I have latest 64bit release from them and it's utter crap, browsers just hang for me with it
04:13<Lethalman>it worked for me
04:14<chaos>i bet they feel your loathing jm_ :P
04:15<jm_>Lethalman: 10.45?
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04:26<doobian>Danny, there is a graphics installer in gnome call ' add and remove programs' thats pretty cool.
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04:27<smv>doobian, wasn't that one replaced by Software Center?
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04:27<doobian>not in stable gnome (lenny)
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04:31<doobian>Danny, if you want the gnome system in lenny, run tasksel as root, and select desktop environment.
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04:34<Danny>having problem reading diskonkey
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04:35<Danny>getting Error org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.AccessDenied.
04:36<Danny>I guess it does not let users mount the disk
04:37<chaos>i upgraded my packages and installed a new kernel with no sysfs (udev!!) and now my vnc starts with no window manager HELP!!!! (since nobody answered for a day i've put this on a loop)
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04:41<Danny><Danny> getting Error org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.AccessDenied.
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04:41<Danny>also having no sound
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04:41<Danny>I get GStream no installed but it does showup in synaptec
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04:52<Danny>getting Error org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.AccessDenied when try to access diskonkey by user
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05:00<Danny>getting Error org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.AccessDenied when try to access diskonkey by user
05:00<dbldtx-irssi> Does this look normal to anybody? I am currently further investigating why four users are using these logins on this machine..
05:00<helpme>how to share folders in virtual box from outside in debian
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05:03<ansgar>dbldtx-irssi: Looks pretty normal. One line for the graphical login and one line for each terminal window you have open.
05:04<dbldtx-irssi>Okay - each of those is a terminal window. Thank you ansgar!
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05:05<Danny>please help
05:06<Danny>getting Error org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.AccessDenied when try to access diskonkey by user
05:06<qq->Danny, google say ?
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05:07<helpme>hello canany one able o opensthis page
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05:07<chaos>i upgraded my packages and installed a new kernel with no sysfs (udev!!) and now my vnc starts with no window manager HELP!!!! (since nobody answered for a day i've put this on a loop)
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05:09<helpme>no i cant open mysites at my browser
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05:09<Danny>qq- --> not much in google
05:09<helpme>can u see those url ?
05:09<helpme>Problem occurred while loading the URL
05:09<helpme>Cannot resolve hostname
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05:10<helpme>is this problem of dns server?
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05:12<helpme>okay yes yor website donworjustformeopened
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05:13<linux_>very good
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05:13<helpme>hello canany one able o opensthis page
05:14<helpme>i cant open mysites at my browser
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05:14<linux_>please descri
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05:16<smv>helpme, the sites work.
05:16<helpme>why amnot able to brose this website
05:16<linux_>which website?
05:16<qq->helpme, 09:51<Snarf>
05:16<qq->10 Jul 05 09:51<Snarf> is a hostname, is an URL
05:17<qq->helpme, stop it
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05:17<smv>helpme, might be a problem just with your browser. or a PEBKAC, from what i see
05:17<helpme>i did change /etc/hosts edited thse line
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05:18<helpme>when i newly created that website am able to browse but when i re connect internet ,am not able to brose that site,also i see in website for dyndns they updated my ip
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05:19<helpme>PEBKAC wh is that ?
05:19<dpkg>from memory, pebkac is Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair, or PEBCAK, PEBMAC, PICNIC, PEBRHAL
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05:21<c0nd0m>I'd just like to interject for moment. What you're refering to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.
05:21<c0nd0m>Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called Linux, and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project.
05:21<c0nd0m>There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine's resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating s
05:21<c0nd0m>ystem: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called Linux distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux.
05:21<c0nd0m>That is all.
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05:22*smv LOL
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05:22<helpme>please use pastebin
05:23<smv>helpme, if your server has a dynamic IP install, configure and use a client for dyndns. ddclient seems to be quite easy to use.
05:24<smv>also check your browser settings, and don't do manually changes to /etc/hosts if you don't what the changes will do.
05:25<qq->helpme, using debian ?
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05:27<helpme>i installed ddclient and noip2 as well they updating ips
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05:28<smv>helpme, can you open any other sites with your browser?
05:28<helpme>strange is if i make another website from dyndns now ,i able o browse it,and when i re connect the internet ,me not able to browse it ,same time other people canas it updae my dynamic if withupdater,But me after reconnecting internet not able to browse the website again
05:29<helpme>yes i can open all other websites
05:30<smv>i think that when you create the site in the dyndns web interface, it uses your IP, and when you reconnect your IP changes. check your ddclient configuration.
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05:32<helpme> are my /etc/host and /ec/resolv.conf
05:32<helpme>yes ddclient update my ip when i reconnect
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05:34<smv>helpme, i'm not sure, and i am usually wrong when i'm not sure, but you're not doing this in the right way.
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05:36<helpme>yes myself not gettng whati did wrong ,is it related with dns server.i installed bind yesterday
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05:36<smv>have a look at my /etc/hosts and /etc/resolv.conf
05:37<chaos>i upgraded my packages and installed a new kernel with no sysfs (udev!!) and now my vnc starts with no window manager HELP!!!! (since nobody answered for a day i've put this on a loop)
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05:38<jm_>custom kernel?
05:40<smv>helpme, if you have only one IP which is also a dynamic one, you won't be able to use bind properly. dyndns does everything for you, just use ddclient and forget about bind, until you will have 2 static IP's on that system. and clean your /etc/hosts and /etc/resolv.conf
05:40<qq->smv, (lasa-l in pace pe om ... e batut in cap rau)
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05:41<smv>qq-, cred ca a inteles acuma. oricum, e o chestie care se intampla multora care nu au mai avut de a face cu bind si dyndns :))
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05:43<chaos>jm_: 2.6.34
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05:44<jm_>chaos: well that doesn't answer my question
05:44<chaos>jm_: i removed the sysfs from it and the switched to the new serial-ata approach
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05:44<chaos>so the answer is yes, but that's all i've changed
05:44<jm_>chaos: what do you mean with "removed sysfs from it"?
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05:45<chaos>the whole point of kernel update was that udev was bitching about sysfs being in the kernel cos it's deprecated and therefore latest udev wouldn't install with that in the kernel
05:46<jm_>you got that wrong, you should not remove sysfs, it's just one option in it AFAIK
05:46<chaos-irssi># CONFIG_SYSFS_DEPRECATED_V2 is not set
05:46<chaos-irssi>from my current .config file
05:46<helpme>i changed everyhing you mentioned
05:47<jm_>!udev squeeze
05:47<dpkg>As of <udev> 150 in squeeze, Linux kernel 2.6.27 or newer is required (i.e. upgrade kernel and udev at the same time). If udev installation fails and you already have a squeeze kernel installed, then reboot into the new kernel and "aptitude -f install ; aptitude safe-upgrade" to continue. See also <squeeze kernel>, <kernel abi>,
05:47<jm_>is this the problem you are referring to?
05:47<jm_>so why not follow dpkg's advice?
05:47<helpme>but still wheni makenew dyddns address ,i will able to connect and reconnecting internet i cant browse that website again,andddclient is updating,an you paste yoruddclint.conf
05:48<chaos-irssi>i didn't read it .. i just read the error during upgrade and fixed it
05:48<helpme>07:46:21 - Unable to connect to server Server not running?
05:48<smv>helpme, gimme a sec
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05:49<chaos-irssi>jm_: and i have 2.6.30 kernel not 2.6.27 :) cos i always had custom kernels
05:49<smv>helpme, pastebin your /etc/ddclient.conf
05:49<chaos-irssi>custom as in i downloaded the source and put what i needed in it and removed most of the general stuff
05:50<jm_>chaos-irssi: well I also use custom kernels only
05:50<helpme>lol and see when i tried to connect to that website by virtualbox os ,i am able toconnect
05:50<smv>helpme, also pastebin your /etc/hosts and /etc/resolv.conf just to recheck them
05:50<helpme>what went wrong and where in this mainmachine
05:50<jm_>your claim that you don't have sysfs seems wrong based on CONFIG_SYSFS=y - is /sys mounted?
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05:51<chaos-irssi>jm_ yes it's populated what i wanted to say that i removed that sysfs thingy udev was whining about
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05:54<smv>helpme, are you in a chroot somehow?
05:55<qq->he said 'virtualbox os'
05:55<helpme>ops no
05:55<helpme>use sudo ?
05:56<cthuluh>it must be a joke
05:56<qq->or spammer
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05:56<helpme>no OS i mean virtual box only ,am running debian in it
05:57<helpme>and i can browse that website like you there
05:57<helpme>but not in main machine
05:57<qq->and host OS is ?
05:57<helpme>no joke i am serious,main machine not browsing after i reconnect internet while virtual box machine is browsing the same
05:57<helpme>waiti make a snapsht
05:58<smv>qq-, is a debian sid i guess
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05:58<helpme>debian in virtualbox also
05:58<qq->uname -r , says ?
05:58<helpme>no itd debian squeez
05:59<smv>so from the virtualbox yo do see the sites, but not from the main machine. have you rebooted the main machine since you cleaned the /etc/resolv.conf?
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05:59<helpme># uname -r
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05:59<helpme>no not rebooted
06:00<jm_>chaos-irssi: so what is the problem then? anything in .xsession-errors?
06:00<qq->anyways i put helpme on /ignore
06:00<smv>i tought it was runing sid. anyway, helpme please reboot
06:01<helpme>okay i reboot
06:01<helpme>how to share snapshots
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06:01<cthuluh>share what?
06:02<smv>you mean screenshots?
06:02<helpme>screenshot of my screen
06:02<cthuluh>we don't even know on which OS he's running virtualbox
06:02<chaos>jm_: the problem is that vnc starts and it's empty ... no xchat, no kde nothing
06:02<chaos>lemme check .xsession-errors
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06:03<smv>cthuluh, on a debian with a .32-5 kernel, that's sure.
06:03<chaos>jm_: yeah ... lotsa stuff in ..-errors .. i'll put it in a pastebin
06:04<cthuluh>smv: so what is the OS on the vm? ^^
06:04<smv>he said is a debian also.
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06:04<cthuluh>11:58 < helpme> debian in virtualbox also
06:05<cthuluh>why running a virtual machine?
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06:05<smv>helpme, i get it. please reboot and check again.
06:06<helpme>no not was running before just to check if where is problem
06:06<helpme>that one is screenshot the same website works to browse in virtual box but not in main,okay i rebooting
06:06<chaos>jm_: might also be helpful if i add that i managed to get things into my vnc window by starting an xterm on display 1 and started things manually but this sux :)
06:06<cthuluh>smv: you mean that virtualbox will update the /etc/hosts on the "hardware" machine?
06:07<jm_>chaos-irssi: that's normal for VNC AFAIK - one needs to tell it what to start in ~/.vnc-something
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06:07<chaos>yes but i have a .vnc/xstartup and those get ignore
06:07<jm_>chaos-irssi: I have no idea what that KDE error is, also try #debian-kde or simply use another thing
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06:07<chaos>well not ignored but they fail to start .. see my pastebin
06:07<smv>cthuluh, no. he already changed the file sin main, but didn't restarted network. rebooting should do that.
06:08<smv>*files in
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06:08<cthuluh>changes to /etc/hosts are realtime
06:08<chaos>jm_ cool .. i'll go bug the hell outta #debian-kde now :)
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06:09<smv>cthuluh, he also had changes in /etc/resolv.conf, that's why i said "files" ;))
06:09<cthuluh>smv: he did not change anything in his /etc/hosts, the new entrie are commented
06:10<smv>wouldn't that be enough?
06:10<cthuluh>if they are commented, I don't know how they could have an effect ;)
06:10<cthuluh>anyway, good luck with him, I'll be afk
06:11<smv>thanks. i might need some. :))
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06:12<qq->smv, get him some readme/s ;)
06:12<dpkg>Before asking in here or on the <debian-user> mailing list, you should read the Installation Guide, or if you already have Debian installed, the Debian Reference. Ask me about <ig>, <reference>, <refcard>, <docs>, <manuals>, <fundamentals>, <newbiedoc>, <faq>, <unix lessons>, <general cli tutorial>. (e.g. in your IRC client, type /msg dpkg reference)
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06:13*smv thinks that he himself should read those asap
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06:17<helpme>um same problem still
06:17<helpme>Unable to load page
06:17<helpme>Problem occurred while loading the URL
06:17<helpme>Cannot connect to destination
06:17<helpme>--> pppd: 0��[08]���[08]
06:17<helpme>--> local IP address
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06:17<smv>and the ip in the dyndns page is?
06:17<helpme> Host
06:17<helpme>Host Services Host
06:18<helpme>cat /etc/resolv.conf
06:18<helpme>cat /etc/hosts
06:18<smv>i see.
06:18<helpme> localhost
06:18<helpme> linuxdev
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06:18<qq->helpme, use apsste sire
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06:19<helpme>back,was kicked off room
06:19<cthuluh>helpme: what's the ip of your VM?
06:20<helpme>it use eth
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06:20<helpme>restart ?
06:20<qq->it use eth ? whats that ?
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06:20<cthuluh>you don't know the IP of you VM, we can not help you
06:20<helpme>umonesec i restart
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06:21<cthuluh>no need for reboot
06:21<helpme>no machine
06:21<cthuluh>no need for reboot (2)
06:21<helpme>it take someauto with ethernet bridge
06:21<cthuluh>I think you need to read some virtualbox documentation
06:22<Saltzer>Hello , I got a bug on westernunion, and have been trying to get in touch with the vendor , although they seem careless. I even bothered to call them up, and they were rude aswell. The bug is described as an execution bug, although i am honest and i wouldnt do anything with that, and knowing that if i can find it, i am sure someone else can too. Would it be illegal to post to security focus with my full name?
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06:23<cthuluh>helix: you need a way to tell your system "" points to my VM's IP. if you don't know its IP address, you can't do anything
06:23<cthuluh>helix: sorry
06:23<cthuluh>helix: ^^
06:24<cthuluh>helix: the message was for you
06:24<helpme>cat /etc/hosts
06:24<helpme> localhost
06:24<helpme> linuxdev
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06:24*smv LOL
06:24<cthuluh>I have some problems with my TAB completion 8)
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06:24<smv>helpme, remove the commented lines from your /etc/hosts
06:24<petemc_>helpme: how many times do you think you'll need to be kicked before you learn you cant paste here?
06:25<helpme>yes sorry
06:25<helpme>i mistake
06:25<petemc_>doing it once is a mistake, doing it repeatedly is stupidity
06:25<helpme>inet add of VM is
06:26<Saltzer>can ya help ?
06:26<cthuluh>YEAH !!! congratulations, helpme
06:26<helpme>ok smvi delete those line too
06:26<Saltzer>Hello , I got a bug on westernunion, and have been trying to get in touch with the vendor , although they seem careless. I even bothered to call them up, and they were rude aswell. The bug is described as an execution bug, although i am honest and i wouldnt do anything with that, and knowing that if i can find it, i am sure someone else can too. Would it be illegal to post to security focus with my full name?
06:26<cthuluh>helpme, please add this line to your /etc/hosts:
06:26<dpkg>Please don't immediately repeat your question if no one answers it. If no one answers, that means that either no one knows the answer to your question, no one is willing to answer it, or you haven't provided enough information. Ask me about <ask> or <sicco> if you need help phrasing your question. If you don't get an answer here, go ahead and try asking your question on
06:26<petemc_>Saltzer: that doesnt seem like a debian problem
06:27<Saltzer>yea i know
06:27<Saltzer>but its still related to Open Source :D
06:27<Saltzer>they run debian
06:28<cthuluh>we don't provide support for western union, AFAIK
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06:29<ansgar>Saltzer: Do you plan to disclose some security issue to the public? There might be reasons to not use your real name in that case (I have read about people being sued for that, might be annoying no matter the result).
06:30<qq->ansgar, his gone
06:30<helpme>smv want to remove those lines ,like iadded b7 in /etc/hosts ...of main machine...127.0.01 local address and is virtual machine address eth0 link encap ethernet
06:31<cthuluh>helpme: please paste your /etc/hosts
06:31<smv>not here.
06:31<cthuluh>helpme: first, enter in the address bar of your web browser
06:32*smv moves to something else and leaves cthuluh in charge
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06:35<cthuluh>helpme: do you have the expected webpage when you enter in the address bar of your browser?
06:36<cthuluh>helpme: are you listening to what I say? patience is not free, you know
06:38<helpme>Unable to load page
06:38<helpme>Problem occurred while loading the URL
06:38<helpme>Cannot connect to destination
06:38<helpme>main machine
06:39<cthuluh>so is not your VM's IP
06:39<cthuluh>you said there is abridge with eth0, what eth0's IP address?
06:39<helpme>i do not start virtual box but i did onlt to look why not able to browse n main machine while on network like you too also browse
06:39<helpme>yes it is wait i give you bot ifconfig
06:39<helpme>of Vbox
06:39<helpme>and ai mahcine
06:41<helpme>is the virtuualmachine
06:41<helpme> is the main machine
06:41<Danny>no sound
06:42<Danny>please help
06:42<cthuluh>oh my god...
06:42<jm_>didn't we already help you with sound some 4-5h ago?
06:42<helpme>what gone wrong ?
06:43<cthuluh>helpme: ok, so what happens when you enter '' in the address bar of your browser?
06:43<cthuluh>helpme: the 'oh my god...' was not intented to you
06:43<Danny>someone did but I worked remotly follow the instruction
06:43<helpme>i browse the website in main machine as well in VB
06:43<jm_>I told you to insert stuff in /etc/modules
06:43<Danny>when setdown at the computer findout still no sound
06:43<helpme>that ip ddress will browse
06:43<Danny>you did
06:44<cthuluh>helpme: so this IP address seems to point you to the VM, right?
06:44<helpme>mean browse easily just hostname do not in main machine while in VB it does
06:44<helpme> is external dynamic ip
06:44<helpme>and is VB etho ip
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06:46<helpme>bt i dono run VB regularlyi just wanned tocheck people outside my PC can connect ,to host name and me also fromVBbut i not from main machien broser can browse only works when i make newe dyndns webpage,it le me browse frommain machine alsothattime,but when i reconnect it do not let me browse same page n main mahcine,also it updae IP in dynsna website
06:47<phoenix_>I tried compiz on debian (squeeze)
06:47<smv>cthuluh, i guess he's not using to vm to maintain the site, but to acces it, as he borked the hosts and resolv.conf files while trying to setup bind. but he has only one IP and is a dynamic one. i told him to clean the hosts and resolv.conf files, and leave ddclient do it's job.
06:47<phoenix_>and it's not working
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06:47<phoenix_>can anybody help me please?
06:48<cthuluh>helpme: answer me with "yes" or "no": does in your browser's address bar point you to your webpage (I mean from your real machin)?
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06:49<cthuluh>now run "dig +short"
06:49<cthuluh>what's the result?
06:49<gob_bluth>hi, anybody got any ideas on getting the framebuffer console to work under Xen's Dom0 ? tried vga=791 and vga=gfx-1024x768x8 and nothings working
06:50<helpme>dig +short
06:50<Danny>please anyone ?
06:50<cthuluh>ha ha ha ha
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06:51*smv would say that the problem is solved and it become PEBKAC
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06:51<cthuluh>helpme: remove anything that concerns in your /etc/hosts file (on the real machine)
06:51<cthuluh>then enter in your real machine's browser
06:52<smv>he should've removed all the commented lines already, not only that one
06:52<helpme>yes did
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06:52<cthuluh>helpme: then, can you visit to your webpage or not?
06:52<qq->i get It works! on from here ,
06:52<helpme>i reboot agian pls wait
06:53<smv>that is what you should get.
06:53<cthuluh>qq-: it has always been working
06:53<cthuluh>helpme: no
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06:53<Danny>on top of the sound problems I could not access diskonkey
06:53<Mortvert>cthuluh, i suppose he broke his pc?
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06:53<cthuluh>Mortvert: I suppose that I would break his PC on his neck, if I could
06:53<smv>cthuluh, actually not, because he borked the resolv.conf at some point.
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06:54<cthuluh>smv: dig uses resolv.conf
06:54<smv>and he fixed resolv.conf already, before you told him to use dig
06:54<ilya80>hai guise! Anyone with knowledge how to feed mdadm UUIDs for devices instead of names in /dev/sdX notation?
06:54<ilya80>pretty please
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06:55<Mortvert>cthuluh, that's doable :D
06:55<dpkg>[uuid] Universally Unique IDentifier, used to reference disk partitions (among other things). See currently known partition UUIDs with `blkid'. In /etc/fstab and /boot/grub/menu.lst, use "UUID=dead-beef-0420-etc" as the partition name. Helps to cope with device name changes such as hda->sda (<libata> transition) or changes in USB disk order discovery. <LVM> tools accept PV/VG/LV UUIDs as arguments, use {pv,vg,lv}display to acquire.
06:55<smv>, cofee everyone
06:56<cthuluh>gracias, smv
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06:56<qq->(nu mai beau cafea de 2 luni)
06:56<ilya80>qq-, thanks! guess that should be somewhere in fstab man pages
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06:56<Danny>jm_ can you please help me again
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06:57<qq->ilya80, np
06:57<jm_>Danny: don't you know how to write things down? besides, if you already made a change you don't need to make it again
06:57<Danny>I did the change as you told me
06:58<jm_>so doing it again won't change anything
06:58<Danny>only I did it remotly when sitting down on the computer still no sound
06:58<ilya80>hmm blkid gives me same UUIDS for raid partitions on different drives
06:58<jm_>verify /proc/asound/cards again
06:58<Danny>I get GStream not working
06:58<Danny>I get it
06:59<jm_>ilya80: raid1?
06:59<qq->ilya80, man fstab | grep uuid , and see some example on google at least
06:59<ilya80>ok, cheers, will do that
06:59<jm_>well wouldn't you hope to have the same ID for a mirrored partition for RAID1 cases?
06:59<ilya80>man fstab -> "/" uuid ЖВ
06:59<ilya80>man fstab -> "/" uuid :D
07:00<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ or use English here.
07:00<phoenix_>Does anybody knows how to make compiz work on Debian(squeeze)
07:00<cthuluh>phoenix_: start with installing it
07:00<phoenix_>did ut
07:00<cthuluh>then follow the instructions the wiki gives you
07:00<phoenix_>i followed them
07:01<phoenix_>but, I cannot find the xorg.conf
07:01<phoenix_>it's not at /etc/X11
07:01<cthuluh>there's no xorg.conf
07:01<cthuluh>you're on squeeze
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07:01<phoenix_>(I'm kinda noob at linux)
07:01<phoenix_>then what file I must configure?
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07:02<phoenix_>I can see the Compiz Configuration in the system tab
07:03<phoenix_>I check the effects
07:03<phoenix_>but, nothing works
07:03<helpme>: )) thnx smv and ch
07:03<helpme>it works,now emptied those hosts file
07:03<helpme>andagain working
07:03<helpme>cthuluh *
07:04<cthuluh>helpme: did you remove "localhost" ?
07:04<helpme>what yoru name means?short name
07:04<cthuluh>phoenix_: I don't know whether there is a better way or not, but you can create a xorg.conf with 'X -configure :1; cp ~/ /etc/X11'
07:04<helpme>no only those related with the websites of dyndns
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07:05<phoenix_>i'll try it
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07:05<helpme>cat /etc/hosts
07:05<helpme> localhost
07:05<helpme> linuxdev
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07:05<Danny>help with diskonkey
07:06<helpme>can i have both update otion for ddclient.conf when i reconnect internet and also form website ?
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07:07<phoenix_>cthuluh: doesn't work! :/ Are you sure that I can run compiz on squeeze?
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07:07<ilya80>hmm okay, I read the manual a bit and googled it a bit too. I seem to have a flaw in my understanding of RAID1 configuration and how its related with fstab & menu.lst
07:07<helpme>## Detect IP with our CheckIP server
07:07<helpme>#use=if, if=ppp0
07:07<helpme>use=web,, web-skip='IP Address'
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07:08<helpme>can i use both these option s /
07:08<cthuluh>!doesn't work > phoenix_
07:08<ilya80>really in fstab i have lines for /dev/md1 and /dev/md0 which are my root and swap raid1 devices
07:08<cthuluh>dpkg: tell phoenix_ about doesn't work
07:08<ilya80>i dont see a need for specific raid partitions of my disks in there
07:08<ilya80>also in menu.lst i have it booting with root=/dev/md1
07:08<ilya80>which seems to be right aswell
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07:09<ilya80>what I`m supposing I`m missing is how to specify raid partitions by UUIDs instead of /dev/sdX notation in mdadm.conf
07:09<phoenix_>cthuluh: I don't get it. :P
07:10<ilya80>yes, I`m on grub 0.97
07:11<jm_>ilya80: you can use ARRAY foo uuid= syntax for that
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07:12<helpme>cthuluh cn i use both option of ppp0 and website update for ddclient
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07:13<jm_>ilya80: or not, why do you want to do this by ID?
07:13<cthuluh>helpme: I can not tell you how ddclient is supposed to work. do you know what is a manpage?
07:14<helpme>yes ,hehe okay reading those
07:14<helpme>thank to you and smv
07:14<helpme>for allyour patience litening me and solving it out
07:15<ilya80>jm_ uuid= in ARRAY is for UUID for the array itself methinks
07:15<jm_>ilya80: yeah, it took reading it about 3 times to sink in :)
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07:15<ilya80>and I want to do this because right now i have ARRAY /dev/md0 level=raid1 num-devices=2 devices=/dev/sdc1,/dev/sdb1 UUID=c21816f6:8b3cfb72:e343dd77:d5aa14ab
07:16<ilya80>sdX letters keep being shuffled a bit everyboot
07:16<zumbi_>hello! if I use 'su' to get some other user id on a machine, I can't have it open display, maybe because my xserver is running with my user? How can I ran X applications on my xserver when 'su' to another user?
07:16<ilya80>so my array is out of sync now and then
07:16<jm_>ilya80: use /dev/disk/by-uuid/foo
07:16<jm_>zumbi_: easiest is to simply use sux
07:17<ilya80>jm_ i read scary stories about this notation
07:17<ilya80>but i guess i`ll have to try lol
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07:17<zumbi_>jm_: ok, but do you have an idea why is that happening and which is long route. BTW, installing sux. Thanks.
07:18<jm_>zumbi_: because only the user who started X server has access by default for security reasons
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07:18<linux>nimen hao
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07:19<zumbi_>jm_: thanks, that is what i was thinking, but I was not sure
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07:23<jm_>zumbi_: no worries
07:24<zumbi_>sux works great here :)
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07:44<DasUberJohan>is there a simple way do an upgrade to squeeze w/o having to get a full iso burnt and then do copying and such? I am asking because it seems that most of my problems are fixed in it.
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07:45<jm_>DasUberJohan: ehh? you can use apt to upgrade by downloading from debian mirrors
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07:45<DasUberJohan>jm_:What's the exact command? apt-get dist upgrade?
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07:46<DasUberJohan>jm_:put that at the end?
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07:47<DasUberJohan>jmd_: i've not seen a single thing thus far from teh system if that's what you're tying to send to me
07:47<jm_>ok it's one of those cases where it doesn't work in public - just do /msg dpkg lenny->testing
07:47<zumbi_>DasUberJohan: aptitude update && aptitude upgrade && aptitude dist-upgrade
07:47<jm_>DasUberJohan: see above and you'll get info on how to proceed
07:47<zumbi_>DasUberJohan: some thing like that might get you in the way
07:47<zumbi_>dpkg: lenny->testing
07:47<dpkg>Remove any APT source specific to stable (such as volatile), then s/lenny/squeeze/ on your sources.list and then aptitude update && aptitude install aptitude linux-image-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,'` ; reboot; aptitude safe-upgrade && aptitude full-upgrade. Important: see <squeeze udev>. Also ask me about <d-d-a>, <apt-listchanges>, <testing>.
07:47<DasUberJohan>zumbi_: What?
07:48<zumbi_>DasUberJohan: see dpkg is smart guy :-)
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07:49<DasUberJohan>zumbi_: So just go in and change all of the "lenny" ones to "squeeze"?
07:49<zumbi_>DasUberJohan: yes
07:50<jm_>after asking dpkg about the other things it wants you to ask about
07:50<zumbi_>or there are more complex setups were you can just add and setup pin priority
07:51<Danny>no plugdev group
07:51<DasUberJohan>zumbi_: i just wanted to get on squeeze since it apparently fixes this weird touchpad issue that i'm having and it also might fix my resizing window thing. And i know about pinning. :P
07:51<Danny>why ?
07:52<Danny>whats missing ?
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07:52<DasUberJohan>aptitude update && aptitude install aptitude linux-image-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,'` that's my next command?
07:53<jm_>Danny: what did you to do to your system to remove it?
07:53<Danny>how come its missing ?
07:54<jm_>well you must have since it should be there by default
07:54<Danny>what packege am i missing ?
07:54<jm_>it's not in any package
07:54<Danny>how can repair ?
07:54<zumbi_>DasUberJohan: yeap, that is what dpkg said, right? He is usually either right or outdated
07:54<jm_>just add it with groupadd, gid is 46 here
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08:32<Aleric>What is currently the CD/DVD burning application of choice?
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08:36<Aleric>Um, and graphical ones? I just tried wodim and it just prints a lot of stuff I don't get.
08:36<jm_>no idea, I use CLI tools
08:37<cthuluh>well known GUI tools are xcdroast, brasero and k3b
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08:37<smv>Aleric, brasero worked ok last time i used. long time ago though.
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08:48<jmm_>cthuluh && jmm, googling a bit it seems that wodim is a fork of cdrtools,
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08:49<jmm_>but people on the web say it's very buggy, and it's not under active development.
08:49<jmm_>why do you use it ?
08:49<jm_>jmm_: where people are certain J. Schilling?
08:49<petemc_>are those people jorg schilling?
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08:50<jmm_>jm_: hell yea lol.
08:50<jm_>I use it because it works for me, not that I burn many CD-s these days, I use growisofs 99% of the time for 4-5 years I believe
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08:51<Aleric>I'm using k3b now, and it says it's using wodim (which probably uses growisofs).
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08:52<Aleric>Instead of having to read a manual for an hour and then figure out how to start wodim however, I just inserted my CD and clicke on the ISO I wanted to burn :p
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08:55<jsd666>dpkg: firewire
08:55<dpkg>IEEE 1394 is a serial bus system, also known as Firewire (Apple) and i.Link (Sony). It provides a fast (400-3200 Mbit/sec) connection and was designed for transferring large data streams. Also suitable for network connections.
08:55<jsd666>-.- @link
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09:00<cthuluh>jmm_: ha ha ha, nice guy, this Mr Schilling. anyway, I don't record so much CD and DVD, but wodim never failed.
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09:34<Julias_shulman>i installed a deb file
09:34<Julias_shulman>with dpkg -i
09:34<Julias_shulman>and now it says my software index is broken
09:34<Julias_shulman>wheni try to do an update
09:34<Julias_shulman>i can fix it, but it wants to uninstall the deb file
09:34<man316>what's "debian"?
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09:35<Julias_shulman>with apt
09:35<Julias_shulman>it marks this package as to uninstall
09:35<Julias_shulman>but it works fine
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09:41<pythonic>debian is an implementation of communism
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09:49<cthuluh>ha ha ha.
09:50<cthuluh>pythonic: and.. what's wrong with that? :)
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09:51<slush>discussions are ok, but please do that in #debian-offtopic - this channel shouldn't be used for ranting
09:53<cthuluh>you're right, please forgive me
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10:06<phoenix_>Hello, I installed compiz on Debian (squeeze). The menu appeared in the system tab, I configured some options, but the changes are not taking effect. (eg the desktop cube)
10:07<smv>phoenix_, you need a better driver for your video card. which one are you using?
10:07<phoenix_>smv, which driver or card?
10:07<phoenix_>nvidia 9800 geforce, the lastest
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10:09<smv>have you used the debian way to install the nvidia driver, or the nvidia one? also have you added the needed options in /etc/X11/xorg.conf?
10:09<phoenix_>the nvidia one and also, i have not xorg.conf on squeeze
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10:11<phoenix_>[phoenix@phoenix:/etc/X11]$ ls -a
10:11<phoenix_>. fonts xinit Xresources XvMCConfig
10:11<phoenix_>.. rgb.txt xkb Xsession Xwrapper.config
10:11<phoenix_>app-defaults twm Xreset Xsession.d
10:11<phoenix_>default-display-manager X Xreset.d Xsession.options
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10:11<smv>i'd recommend to use the debian way of installing the nvidia driver, then use nvidia-xconfig to generate an xorg.conf and then add the needed options in xorg.conf
10:11<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <>.
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10:11<phoenix_>sorry, didn't know
10:12<smv>also see especially the Use module-assistant section, and
10:12<phoenix_>where can I find the debian way?
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10:16<phoenix_>smv, how can I enable the non-free repos?
10:17<smv>!non-free sources
10:17<dpkg>Edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main Debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then aptitude update. But bear in mind that you'll be installing <non-free> software. These may have onerous terms; check the licenses. See also <sources.list>.
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10:17<smv>!tell phoenix_ -about selftell
10:18<phoenix_>thanks a lot smv
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10:21<smv>phoenix_, my pleasure
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10:31<phoenix_>smv, THANKS A LOT, you helped me solve my prob :), everything is working now
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10:32<smv>phoenix_, my pleasure.
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10:33<phoenix_>something else, do you know how to change the number of desktops?
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10:33<something15525-eeepc>i'm having problems installing flash, amd64 squeeze daily build?
10:34<Torsten_W>there is no flash in 64bit anymore
10:34<craigevil>something15525-eeepc: there is no 64bit flash. see
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10:35<something15525-eeepc>craigevil: 32-bit emulation?
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10:36<craigevil>something15525-eeepc: yeah your stuck either using nspluginwrapper or a 32bit browser in chroot
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10:36<something15525-eeepc>craigevil: ok found a howto thanks
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10:46<phoenix_>can I change the lunguage after the installation of Debian?
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10:51<cahoot>try dpkg-reconfigure locales
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11:04<hlf>Is it possible to reply to mail on a mailing list if you have not subscribed to it ?
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11:05<jhutchins_lt>hlf: Depends on the list.
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11:07<hlf>What must the subject or the mail contain to be a reply ?
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11:07<weasel>the mail needs References/In-Reply-To headers.
11:07<weasel>then it's a proper reply
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11:08<hlf>How can you do that on iceweasel ?
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11:09<weasel>iceweasel isn't a mail client.
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11:11<aovidal>Hi, any graphical user interface to the Advanced Packaging Tool for KDE???
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11:12<hlf> on the picture is thunderbird !
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11:12<hlf>sorry I meant icedove !
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11:17<craigevil>aovidal: adept, or kpackage, but if you want a GUI package manager use Synaptic or aptitude's ncurses interface
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11:18<aovidal><craigevil> Does exists Synaptic for KDE?
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11:20<hlf>weasel : If I understand what you say I, if I write reply to : I will be replying to a discussion "on terminology" on debian-project. I don't need a sender ?
11:20<weasel>that's not exactly how it works, no
11:21<weasel>you need to compose a standard mail, to the list. and in order for it to be considered a reply you need to set the correct References and/or In-Reply-To headers.
11:21<craigevil>aovidal: its a gtk app but in the recommends it does have kdebase-bin, it works in any desktop/wm
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11:22<ottoshmidt>has anyone ever tries to record a phone call using modem?
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11:24<hlf>weasel : To, reply to : subject : on terminology , will be correct ?
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11:25<weasel>hlf: reply-to is not in-reply-to.
11:25<weasel>so no.
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11:28<hlf>weasel : I can choose between : To, cc, Bcc, Reply-to, Newsgroup, Followup-to
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11:28<weasel>then you can't create replies to emails you don't have.
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11:37<hlf>weasel : What mail client do you use ?
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11:46<jhutchins_lt>aovidal: Synaptic is independent of the Desktop Environment.
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11:47<aovidal>jhutchins_lt thnks! and how can i p
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11:47<aovidal>how can i obtain oxygen theme in synaptic
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11:49<jhutchins_lt>Like I said, it's independent of the DE, so it's not going to pay attention to things like themeing.
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11:51<weasel>hlf: mutt
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11:53<hlf>weasel : Thanks. I will update soon !
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12:01<craigevil>isnt synaptic gtk, so using the gtk-qt-engine should work in kde
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12:03<Julias_shulman><Julias_shulman> is ther a way to fix the software index without apt -f install ?
12:03<Julias_shulman><Julias_shulman> or without uninstalling my deb file
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12:05<jhutchins_lt>Julias_shulman: aptitude update might fix it. Depends on what you mean by "fix".
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12:11<svullo>Hi, I got an problem with a Sun Fire v100 and debian installation, currently I have set up network boot with rarpd and tftpd (which works), but during the install the minicom (connected through a LOM) goes blank, it's after installers fetches neccessary packages and sets the system clock, after that it goes blank.
12:11<svullo>I have no idea how to solves this issue
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13:00<DasUberJohan>About how long should i assume that the connection died after it stays stuck at 99%[Working]
13:01<troubled>DasUberJohan: long enough to come into irc and ask about it? ;)
13:02<troubled>I assume you are talking about an apt-get download?
13:02<DasUberJohan>troubled:i have no idea how long it's been like that. I went and took a shower whilst i was going from lenny to squeeze
13:02<troubled>is it just downloading files still?
13:02<DasUberJohan>and i came back and it's apparently stuck at
13:02<DasUberJohan>Get:1180 squeeze/main xfonts-mathml 4 [42.2kB]
13:02<DasUberJohan>99% [Working]
13:02<DasUberJohan>and i see little to no network traffic
13:02<troubled>just ctrl-c it and restart
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13:03<troubled>the 99% of the files it did get will still be there. might be worth an extra apt-get update just to see if its down still
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13:05<troubled>happy hangover day to the americans btw ;)
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13:07<yubahaq>I have a Problem
13:07<DasUberJohan>hmm seems that it had some issues with me forgetting to comment out backports was the only thing apt-get update at least
13:07<jhutchins_lt>yubahaq: I have a hamster
13:07<troubled>DasUberJohan: all figured out then?
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13:07<retrospectacus>yubahaq: I have a spoon
13:07<troubled>DasUberJohan: how am I supposed to know :)
13:07<DasUberJohan>troubled: now i get to sit here and watch it go through it's many many lines until it begins the actual redownloads
13:08<yubahaq>I have xcf and gnom
13:08<yubahaq>I want to delete gnome
13:08<yubahaq>I want help
13:08<troubled>DasUberJohan: chances are if it was at 99%, you don't have much longer to wait until it actually starts
13:09<DasUberJohan>troubled:it was sitting there for quite some time and i don't know how long it was at since it was a 24KB file and i'm on a 1.5Mb/s line here(or so they claim to be actual results may vary)
13:09<DasUberJohan>just remove gnome
13:10<jhutchins_lt>yubahaq: aptitude purge gnome
13:12<yubahaq>thanks jhutchins_lt
13:12<troubled>yubahaq: keep in mind that getting rid of gnome desktop might also remove some apps in the menus that were pulled in via gnome that you may not be expecting to disappear
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13:13<troubled>before you hit "Y" to accept the removal, just give the list a once over and reinstall anything you think you want to keep after the removal
13:13<yubahaq>guys I can't access as r00t
13:13<yubahaq>I type the correct pass
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13:14<yubahaq>and Authentication failure
13:14<troubled>are you typing sudo to do it? if so, it wants your password of the user you are logged in as now, not root
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13:14<troubled>DasUberJohan: so did it ever get past that 24k file?
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13:19<DasUberJohan>troubled:apparently i did now it's asking me for dash
13:19<DasUberJohan>do the rest of the people using squeeze use dash?
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13:20<WapiFlapi>How do I install non-free packages using apt-get ? (i want to install gcc-doc ) , i think i should modify sources.list , but what lines do i edit ? add ?
13:21<dpkg>dash (formerly Debian Almquist shell) is a <POSIX> compliant shell, smaller than <bash> and offers faster script execution (decreasing boot time). For new installations of squeeze and later, dash will be the default /bin/sh. To switch old installations, "dpkg-reconfigure dash". To check if your existing scripts will work OK with dash, use checkbashisms from <devscripts> and see
13:21<craigevil>!non-free sources
13:22<craigevil>WapiFlapi: just add contrib non-free after the word "main", then apt-get update
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13:23<retrospectacus>DasUberJohan: I have bash still but I upgraded to squeeze a long time ago
13:24<WapiFlapi>thanks craigevil
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13:26<DasUberJohan>hmm why would i chainload from menu.lst?
13:26<DasUberJohan>all i have is linux distros unless this updated grub is trying to confuse me
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13:27<handheldcar>Does anybody know why the applications' chrome won't change colors with new openbox themes in lxde lenny? only the title bars and context menu changes. neither does the panel color.
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13:30<craigevil>handheldcar: afaik chrome uses qt, install qt4-qtconfig and set the theme with it
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13:30<handheldcar>ok I suspected it was something like gtk
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13:31<handheldcar>I don't mean chrome browser though. I mean the default grey of applications
13:32<craigevil>or you might try using lxappearance, shows up as Appearance in the Preferences menu
13:34<handheldcar>ok I'll give that another look
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13:40<DasUberJohan>wait debian uses openbsd-inetd?
13:40<pavi>funny epiphany ( with gnash plugin ) crashed for the 4th time ( debian testing )
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13:42<Julias_shulman><Julias_shulman> is ther a way to fix the software index without apt -f install ?
13:42<Julias_shulman><Julias_shulman> or without uninstalling my deb file
13:42<Julias_shulman>the software index is corrupted it says
13:43<Julias_shulman>jhutchins_lt, it says the software index is corrupted when i try to update
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13:44<Julias_shulman>jhutchins_lt, and then it asks to remove my .deb file to fix the software index corruption
13:44<valdyn>Julias_shulman: it would probably give an error message about index corruption if index corruption was the problem
13:45<Julias_shulman>it says software index is corrupted
13:45<Julias_shulman>when i do aptget -f install
13:45<valdyn>Julias_shulman: no it does not, paste the real error message
13:45<Julias_shulman>it wants to remove my .deb file
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13:45<Julias_shulman>i installed my file by dpkg -i file.deb
13:45<Julias_shulman>i need it
13:45<Julias_shulman>um one sec
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13:45<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <>.
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13:48<Julias_shulman>The following packages have unmet dependencies:
13:48<Julias_shulman>is what it says
13:48<Julias_shulman>but the package works fine
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13:49<Julias_shulman>i dont care if it thinks something is wrong
13:49<troubled>pastebin the full output for us please
13:49<valdyn>Julias_shulman: so where is the index corruption part?
13:49<Julias_shulman>valdyn, just stfu, obviously your not the one to solve this problem
13:49<valdyn>Julias_shulman: nice
13:49<Julias_shulman>valdyn, hopefully someone with knowledge will answer
13:49<Julias_shulman>echo -e "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade" | sudo tee -a /usr/local/bin/update
13:50<Julias_shulman>You might want to run `apt-get -f install' to correct these.
13:51<Julias_shulman>troubled, there is no more output than what i type to you
13:51<Julias_shulman>in X it says corrupted
13:51<Julias_shulman>but that i ask in the X chan...
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13:51<troubled>Julias_shulman: just curious what the full error and package list looks like. might be a little more clear whats going on if we can see the full unedited output thats all. are you doing a dist-upgrade from one release to another by chance?
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13:57<Julias_shulman>it uses java
13:57<Julias_shulman>but i installed java
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13:57<Julias_shulman>it says java is uninstallable
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13:58<Julias_shulman>it works fine :/
13:58<Julias_shulman>stupid apt-get
13:58<Julias_shulman>im deleteing it
13:58<Julias_shulman>software index is broken
13:59<bremner>if you delete apt-get, please do not ask for any further support here.
13:59<Julias_shulman>is what it says
13:59<Julias_shulman>not corrupt
13:59<retrospectacus>Julias_shulman: you may as well just leave... no one will help you if you can't show any respect or co-operation
13:59<Julias_shulman>ill write my own apt-get
13:59<Julias_shulman>and Ill ask for support here alot
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14:00<bremner>well, I won't see those requests anymore...
14:00<Julias_shulman>weres the debian gurus and ops
14:00<Julias_shulman>prorobly at their day-jobs..
14:00<Julias_shulman>using Redhat
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14:03<Julias_shulman>bremner, lol dont worry i dont really care weather or not you see the requests, ive been in here for last few days asking
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14:04<Julias_shulman>bremner, i dont expect anyone here to know or have any idea how to configure it even
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14:06<Julias_shulman>!tell Julias_shulman -about selftell
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14:09<Julias_shulman>retrospectacus, i show respect to people who show intelligence and understand the problem
14:09<Julias_shulman>retrospectacus, ive been here for days asking and no answer, this is the answer i expected from the uninformed
14:09<Julias_shulman>retrospectacus, the answer you give
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14:13<craigevil>1) Sun java is in non-free, 2) Google rebuild dpkg database
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14:15<Julias_shulman>craigevil, ty wow
14:16*Julias_shulman bows to the guru and asks for many blessings
14:16*bartm sighs
14:16<Julias_shulman>thx again craigevil
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14:21<DasUberJohan>ok this is a problem that's confusing me at the moment and i'd like to have some help with if it anyone's able to do so.
14:22<bartm>DasUberJohan: mixing lenny and squeeze?
14:22<DasUberJohan>bartm: i was trying to update and i did what dpkg told me to do.
14:23<DasUberJohan>bartm: they said just do what it said and i could "simply" go from lenny to squeeze
14:23<DasUberJohan>bartm: without having to get the full iso and do some weird format or something similar.
14:23<dpkg>i heard guru is (GURU Understands Real Unix) or an expert, especially in "{Unix} guru". Implies not only {wizard} skill but also a history of being a knowledge resource for others. Less often, used (with a qualifier) for other experts on other systems, as in "VMS guru". or what meditates inside Amigas. or it's pointless to ask for a guru in a knowledge field because people being humble, nobody will answer your question. "GUide to Ram Upgrades for ...
14:24<bartm>DasUberJohan: so you're trying to upgrade from lenny to squeeze?
14:24<DasUberJohan>bartm: yeah because apparently my touchpad issue is completely gone in squeeze. So i was going to go to it for that update and not have to worry about it anymore.
14:26<bartm>DasUberJohan: I would edit /etc/apt/sources.list, then run apt-get update, then apt-get upgrade, and finally apt-get dist-upgrade
14:27<DasUberJohan>bartm: i ran....
14:28<troubled>DasUberJohan: there is an "aptitude safe-upgrade" command or something iirc, might help. aparently aptitude can handle some things better
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14:29<DasUberJohan>bartm: aptitude safe-upgrade && aptitude full-upgrade
14:29<troubled>nm guess you already know :)
14:29<DasUberJohan>i ran that command after editing sources.list and doing the other things that dpkg said to do
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14:30<troubled>simonrvn: chaiyya chaiyya!
14:30<DasUberJohan>dpkg: lenny->testing
14:30<dpkg>Remove any APT source specific to stable (such as volatile), then s/lenny/squeeze/ on your sources.list and then aptitude update && aptitude install aptitude linux-image-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,'` ; reboot; aptitude safe-upgrade && aptitude full-upgrade. Important: see <squeeze udev>. Also ask me about <d-d-a>, <apt-listchanges>, <testing>.
14:30<DasUberJohan>that was the command that worked last time XD
14:30<simonrvn>troubled: hello
14:30<DasUberJohan>oh wait there it goes i did that.
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14:31<bartm>DasUberJohan: where did you get stuck ? running which command ?
14:31<zobel>one wants to upgrade the linux kernel first before upgrading the rest while doing a lenny->squeeze update
14:31<DasUberJohan>i just ran the very last command
14:32<DasUberJohan>and now it's stuck blabbering on about python being too recent
14:32<DasUberJohan>as per what this says
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14:34<bartm>zobel: reason?
14:35<craigevil>DasUberJohan: what happens if you use apt-get dist-upgrade rather than aptitude
14:36<DasUberJohan>cragievil: no idea since i wasjust sitting here looking at it
14:36<zobel>bartm: newer udev wants a newer kernel version while upgrading
14:37<craigevil>zobel: the fix is in the udev error message where it says "touch"
14:37<zobel>craigevil: i think i doesn't hurt to upgrade the kernel first.
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14:39<DasUberJohan>so i should just restart it then as in ctrl+c and paste apt-get dist-upgrade
14:39<craigevil>DasUberJohan: why restart?
14:39<DasUberJohan>you said to try it
14:39<DasUberJohan>craigevil:why'd i let thepackage manager sit there waiting
14:40<craigevil>oh thought you meant reboot, yeah try apt-get dist-upgrade and pastebin what it says
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14:40<DasUberJohan>craigevil:i was talking about the root terminal i was running
14:40<engine64>Restart is not required but it is suggested to load the new kernel on a fresh boot
14:41<DasUberJohan>if you're talking about me rebooting engine64 i've already restarted after updating the kernel
14:41<DasUberJohan>E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
14:42<craigevil>killing the terminal probably didnt kill aptitude
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14:42<engine64>Ubuntu? Update manager running in the background?
14:43<DasUberJohan>also why is it that it's wanting to have python2-gnome-desktop when it's going to be dropped?
14:43<engine64>kill that process
14:43<bartm>DasUberJohan: do you still have this screen ?
14:43<DasUberJohan>bartm:no i killed it already
14:44<DasUberJohan>bartm:now it's not letting me do it commandline like and is only letting me do the little update-manager thing as far as what i can use
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14:44<engine64>what is the problem actually?
14:45<bartm>engine64: DasUberJohan wants to upgrade from lenny to squeeze
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14:45<DasUberJohan>it's claiming as shown in that pastebin i posted. that it needs various python programs that are supposedly dropped by thenew updated versions.
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14:46<engine64>probably it is needed in order for you to proceed the upgrade
14:47<DasUberJohan>engine64:but it's being dropped which is the biggest problemt hat i have
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14:48<DasUberJohan>engine64:now it's supposedly doing a "smart upgrade" finally.
14:48<DasUberJohan>but i have to do it graphically
14:48<DasUberJohan>which means no output for errors beyond what it shoots out at me
14:48<craigevil>apt-get handles things differently than aptitude, which is why i suggested trying apt-get dist-upgrade, might do apt-get upgrade; apt-get dist-upgrade
14:48<engine64>how is graphically?
14:49<DasUberJohan>the update manager
14:49<engine64>I never use aptitude
14:49<DasUberJohan>the little graphical thing it refuses to go down
14:49<engine64>apt-get is fine
14:49<DasUberJohan>so i finally caved in
14:49<craigevil>the update manager is a buggy pos
14:49<DasUberJohan>and decided to try upgrading from there the biggest downside is that it supposedly didn't get everything
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14:50<DasUberJohan>well craigevil explain that to my system which wouldn't get rid of it for me to try to do anything.
14:50<engine64>any asterisk users here?
14:50<craigevil>apt-get purge update-notifier :)
14:50<DasUberJohan>ha-ha a bit hard to use apt-get
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14:50<DasUberJohan>when it cannot get a lock on it
14:50<DasUberJohan>and refuses to go
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14:51<craigevil>open the gnome system manager and kill the update-manager processes, or top/htop
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14:52<DasUberJohan>well here goes another try at the thing
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14:53<DasUberJohan>also for some odd reason it's killed off my wireless driver, and pidgin refuses to acknowledge my network connectivity
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15:45<FoxM>Hi. I have a wireless WEP connection without key or encryption but I cannot connect using iwconfig wlan0 and then dhclient wlan0. I am using iwconfig mode managed, iwconfig key off and iwconfig essid MyNetwork
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15:45<FoxM>I do not have access to a GUI, so I have to do everything via CLI
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15:46<FoxM>Do you know what can I do to have more info about what's happening ?
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15:50<felixs>FoxM: first of all you have to get associated to an acces point (iwconfig wlan0 tells you about this)
15:51<felixs>FoxM: after that dhclient might make sense
15:53<FoxM>felixs: then how can associate wlan0 to the AP?
15:53<FoxM>felixs: I thought that dhclient would do that... but I am new to all this
15:53<valdyn>FoxM: man iwconfig
15:54<valdyn>FoxM: sometimes you need(ed) to set the ap essid, the ap mac and the channel
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15:57<FoxM>valdyn: thanks for the tip... let me see what I can do.
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16:01<felixs>FoxM: dhclient only gets you the ip address. for this your network must be up first.
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16:22<xikc>is something on apt that 2 days no new package lists
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16:25<Legostrat>I'm trying to install debian on my macbook 2,1 and am running into some trouble
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16:25<Legostrat>I've tried following the guide in the wiki, but I've gotten into trouble when installing the bootloader
16:26<Legostrat>when following the wiki, I had to follow the directions in the troubleshooting part of installing lilo
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16:28<Legostrat>the lilo installation failed, so I rebooted, used refit to fix the partition table, and booted back into the cd
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16:29<Legostrat>then I got into the shell, mounted the necessary points, and tried to install lilo
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16:29<Legostrat>but it gave me two warnings, and a fatal error
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16:30<felixs>FoxM: usually, only setting the essid should make your interface associate to a corresponding AP
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16:31<felixs>FoxM: i'm not so sure about where the problem is... do you have an ap, to which you can associate?
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16:32<Legostrat>the fatal error read: Fatal: raid_setup: stat("/dev/sda3")
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16:37<psych787>I have about 4 million files. Any way to figure out which folders have the most files on my disk?
16:37<xikc>i can write a script ?
16:38<troubled>psych787: maybe a "du -si /*" and then recurse some more?
16:38<psych787>I was looking for something graphical like filelight so I could quickly figure out what is where.
16:38<psych787>I suspect some satellite imagery caches are to blame.
16:38<troubled>hmm nm, seems -i wasnt a valud switch like I thought it was
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16:40<troubled>maybe the disk usage analyzer that comes iwth gnome I think it is?
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16:41<felixs>what does disk usage have to do with the number of files?
16:41<troubled>psych787: for i in /path/to/start;do echo $i;find $i -type f | wc;done maybe?
16:42<troubled>felixs: thought maybe it might have an option for file counts instead of just space usage
16:42<psych787>Like I said, i want something graphical and quick.
16:42<psych787>I need to look at a *huge* filesystem.
16:42<troubled>copy and paste that line, done :)
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16:43<psych787>Ever seen filelight?
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16:43<troubled>keep narrowing it down to big dirs until you find the culprit. but the time you find a gui tool you would be done
16:43<psych787>Not for 4 million files, I wouldn't.
16:43<pavi>my epiphany-browser keeps on crashing on squeeze :( Is it due to gnash plugin ?
16:43<dpkg>Epiphany (browser) is a fork of <galeon> and is the primary web browser of <GNOME>. Packaged for Debian as epiphany-browser. #epiphany on Epiphany (game) is a Boulder Dash clone, packaged for Debian as epiphany, the executable is epiphany-game.
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16:44<felixs>psych787: graphical and quick? quick would be the line that troubled proposed...
16:44<psych787>*sigh* Nevermind.
16:44<felixs>psych787: graphical things dont make sense to manage files
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16:44<troubled>just add a 2>/dev/null | less and its even handier :)
16:45<psych787>I don't need handy, I just need to make my backup take less time today, that's it.
16:45<psych787>Nevermind, I was just asking if anyone knew a tool to recommend. The answer is apparently no.
16:46<troubled>sorry *shrug*
16:47<psych787>No, actually I appreciate help as always. Its just I have a specific need. ;)
16:48<troubled>np, but sometimes, a GUI isn't always needed ;)
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16:48<psych787>Ya, but filelight actually does tell me how many files are in a directory, it just doesn't adjust its piechart to match that instead of file size.
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16:49<psych787>Heh, it appears that my kernel builds account for about 2 million files.
16:49<troubled>sounds about right :)
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16:50<psych787>Ya, the other 2 million files are accounted for such a vareity of things its not worth deleting them.
16:50<troubled>running low on inodes or something by chance?
16:50<psych787>Can't really afford to delete the kernel builds either, so I'm just out of luck.
16:50<psych787>No, its just that I have 1.2TB to back up. It takes long enough already! *sweating*
16:50<troubled>just make-kpke clean or make dist-clean maybe? dont really need the compiled files around do you?
16:51<troubled>after all, with a kernel you relly only need to keep the .config safe
16:51<psych787>Actually, I do need the compiled files, in case I want to build anything against those kernels again (happens often).
16:52<psych787>At least I know the kernel folders only take ~30 minutes to copy. That's not so bad out of a 5 hour backup.
16:52<troubled>sure its handy, but for a emergency restore of a fileystem, you can surely afford to just recompile and be right back where you were no? after all, its only the first compile that is gonna hurt the most and these days, thats only like 20min anyways
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16:53<psych787>This isn't my emergency restore backup. Its a full copy for administrative purposes.
16:53<psych787>Thanks for the help though.
16:53<troubled>np, cya around
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17:18<psych787>When I install a second Debian OS with a new /boot partiton, the old one will still be an option in GRUB right?
17:18<old>psych787: It should be.
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17:21<dr|z3d>psych787: to be sure, run update-grub and it should find the existing partitions and list them as it does.
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17:21<Tecna>I'm trying to fix the audio in skype. The website suggests that I may not have correct permissions for /dev/dsp so I checked /dev/dsp and it's owner group is audio. I checked the members of the group, "audio" and didn't see one, so I created it, and added myself to it. this made my entire audio system completely non-funtional. Removing the group did not fix it.
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17:21<psych787>ya that's always worked
17:22<psych787>I was just wondering if that would safely account for multiple /boot partitions
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17:22<psych787>I'm going to have one /boot contained in my old root os, and another one as a separate partition for new installations on a RAID array.
17:22<Tecna>psych787: why would you have multiple /boots?
17:22<jhutchins_lt>Tecna: How did you add/remove the group?
17:22<psych787>Originally, I didn't have /boot as a separate partition.
17:23<Tecna>jhutchins_lt: users-admin
17:23<jhutchins_lt>psych787: You just have to distinguish between them - you can't use the same label for both boot partitions.
17:24<psych787>jhutchins_lt: what?
17:24<psych787>clarify please
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17:24<Tecna>psych787: Make sure the volume labels are different for each /boot
17:25<psych787>They're going to be on the same disk, I hope that's not a problem.
17:25<Tecna>psych787: some people use volume labels to distinguish between partitions in config files
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17:25<Tecna>fstab sometimes uses them
17:26<psych787>Oh, you mean the automatically generated ones right?
17:26<Tecna>psych787: i think you're thinking of uuid
17:26<psych787>I use those in fstab typically.
17:27<Tecna>uuid is ideal to use, but volume labels sometimes get used instead
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17:27<psych787>Ok, I usually give them something meaningful anyway.
17:27<psych787>Its not an if-I-forget-I-die kind of problem right?
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17:28<Tecna>not really, but it would make your life much easier, should the situation arise.
17:28<psych787>Ok, thanks.
17:29<Tecna>I'd use labels like, "raidboot" "raidroot" "normalboot" "normalroot" etc
17:29<Tecna>jhutchins_lt: no ideas?
17:31<Tecna>psych787: on my system, my labels are less descriptive because I'm not planning on having multiple installations. They're just "root" and "boot"
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17:33<jhutchins_lt>Tecna: Try again. Create a group "audio", add yourself to it, log out, and log back in.
17:33<jhutchins_lt>Tecna: Can root play audio?
17:34<Tecna>I'll test root now
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17:35<Legostrat>I just installed grub from the shell within the boot cd
17:35<Tecna>jhutchins_lt: yeah, root can play audio
17:35<Legostrat>but forgot to update it
17:35<Legostrat>i restarted, and am getting a command line like shell for grub
17:35<Legostrat>all it has is grub>
17:35<Legostrat>is there a way to update it from there?
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17:36<Tecna>Legostrat: sounds like you have no config.
17:36<Legostrat>most likely
17:36<Legostrat>is there a way to create one from there? or will I have to boot from the cd again?
17:37<felixs>Legostrat: tell grub which root, kernel and initrd you wish. this is possible without config
17:37<Legostrat>is there a page that will walk me through this?
17:37<Tecna>legostrat, if you give me a moment, I can write on for you
17:38<felixs>if its old grub you want to do something like boot=(hd0,0), kernel=/boot/<tab>, initrd=<similar>, boot
17:38<felixs>im not familiar with grub2...
17:38<Legostrat>I think it's grub2
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17:38<Legostrat>though I'm not sure
17:38<Legostrat>i'll try that though
17:39<jhutchins_lt>Legostrat: Which release is it?
17:39<Legostrat>release of debian?
17:39<Tecna>oh great, grub2
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17:40<Tecna>Legostrat: Sorry, I'm not experienced with grub2.
17:40<Tecna>I resent the devs for making it more complicated than it needs to be.
17:40<Legostrat>if linux is installed on sda3, what do I put in for the hd?
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17:40<jhutchins_lt>Tecna: Second the motion on that.
17:41<Legostrat>hd0,4 or 3?
17:41<Legostrat>or what?
17:41<Tecna>Legostrat: I have another idea for fixing it.
17:41<Tecna>do you know how to chroot?
17:41<felixs>Legostrat: try. use tab completion to see if you chose the right one
17:41<Legostrat>I believe I know how to chroot
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17:45<jhutchins_lt>Legostrat: 0,2
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17:45<Tecna>boot to a linux cd and run a shell, mkdir /mnt/root then mount all of your partitions inside there appropriately. remember to mount /proc and /dev. chroot to it, then run grub-update.
17:45<jhutchins_lt>0,0; 0,1; 0,2
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17:46<Tecna>mounting /proc and /dev for a chroot works differently from regular mounts, so if you don't know how to do it, ask for help
17:46<Legostrat>okay, i'll try it
17:46<Tecna>Legostrat: do you know the right way to mount /proc and /dev?
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17:47<Legostrat>mount /proc/ /mnt/sda3/proc
17:47<Legostrat>is that correct?
17:48<Tecna>not quite. /proc and /dev are already in use by the outer system, so there's a special option that needs to be added. let me look it up for you.
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17:49<Tecna>I used to chroot without correctly attaching those all the time, and I would always get errors.
17:50<troubled>Tecna: you mean --bind?
17:50<Tecna>troubled: yes, thank you
17:50<troubled>mount --bind /proc /mnt/sda3/proc
17:50<psych787>Just out of curiosity, can swap be used for a ramdisk? That'd be a pretty snappy way to make efficient use of my fast swap space.
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17:51<troubled>psych787: what do you mean? place swap on a ssd or something?
17:51<WapiFlapi> /me should delete his HL on "wap" x)
17:51<psych787>I place swap at the front of my disk array.
17:52<jhutchins_lt>psych787: swap isn't ram, so it wouldn't be a ram disk.
17:52<psych787>It gets fairly insane speeds that way, and I'm wondering if I can capitalize on that for files I need to handle quickly, rather than having to waste RAM or a whole partition.
17:52<psych787>Well you know what I mean, tmpfs on swap.
17:52<jhutchins_lt>psych787: swap is usually a partition on the main hard drive.
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17:53<psych787>But it isn't that simple. Swap can also be used in parallel, with priorities.
17:53<jhutchins_lt>psych787: I think the current scheme does something like that.
17:53<troubled>i thought tmpfs stuff could go to swap after it filled ram anyways?
17:53<psych787>Then how can I tell tmpfs to put everything on swap or vice versa?
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17:53<psych787>Probably, but I want to force my will on tmpfs as to whether it uses RAM or swap.
17:54<Tecna>Legostrat: how's it coming?
17:54<Legostrat>just booted to the cd
17:54<Legostrat>in the shell
17:54<troubled>psych787: why not just let the kernel manage it?
17:54<Legostrat>and just created the /mnt/root directory
17:54<Tecna>Legostrat: next, bind /proc and /dev
17:54<psych787>Because then I'm not sure as to exactly what's happening, and I do *NOT* want applications swapped out for things that can be just left on swap all the time.
17:55<psych787>Plus I think tmpfs actually can't be swapped out.
17:55<Legostrat>do I just want to mount sda3?
17:55<Tecna>Legostrat: no
17:55<troubled>psych787: might be better to look into some of the sysctl like settings related to the vm system like swappyness and stuff
17:55<psych787>I already have. That doesn't stop me from wanting more control.
17:55<Tecna>Legostrat: I'll feed you some command and you can descire some results to me.
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17:56<troubled>psych787: imho, if you want to it always be on disk and benifit from multiple drives, you are probably better off just making a small raid0 or raid1 drive (depending on fault tolerance goals of course), and use that
17:56<Tecna>first, what device is your root partition?
17:57<troubled>psych787: sounds like you are just trying to mold swap/vm and tmpfs into something we already can do via better means
17:57<Legostrat>which one is /?
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17:57<Tecna> / is root
17:57<Legostrat>that would be sda3, at least, that's what it was in the partition manager in the installation
17:58<psych787>troubled: That was my previous approach. I'm wondering if I can discard it. I think I will though, since tmpfs should be at least adequate for such things and I never really needed the fast partiton.
17:58<troubled>psych787: just remember, multiple drive swaps, although are fast when using equal priority, can still bring a system down if one drive goes
17:58<Tecna>Legostrat: what type of fs is it? ext3?
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17:59<Tecna>okay, hot. mount -t ext3 /dev/sda3 /mnt/root
17:59<psych787>if one of those drives goes, I have bigger concerns than a system crash. Namely, I'll be forced to fix it and restore my backup.
17:59<psych787>Thanks for the warning though.
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18:00<Tecna>then mount --bind /proc /mnt/root/proc
18:00<Tecna>then mount --bind /dev /mnt/root/dev
18:00<Legostrat>it said that it failed: no such device
18:00<Tecna>Legostrat: on the first mount?
18:01<troubled>/proc isn't mounted already?
18:01<Tecna>try mount -t ext3 /dev/hda3 /mnt/root
18:02<Tecna>troubled: no, we're not up to that yet. we're trying to mount root
18:02<Legostrat>I had this trouble a little bit back
18:02<Legostrat>both files exist
18:02<troubled>Tecna: i meant /proc in your running shell, but nm, seems you might not have had hda3 mounted yet
18:02<Legostrat>sda3 exists in my /dev directory
18:02<Tecna>Legostrat: that's very weird.
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18:03<Legostrat>i wish I could see what I did to make it work before...
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18:04<Legostrat>okay, so I cd into dev
18:04<Legostrat>and then ran mount -t sda3 /mnt/root
18:05<Legostrat>and it gave me the error that /mnt/root cannot be found in /etc/fstab
18:05<troubled>-t sda3? heh
18:06<Tecna>you didn't already chroot, did you?
18:07<Tecna>because this would happen if you did things out of order
18:07<Legostrat>I don't think so
18:07<Legostrat>I didn't
18:07<Tecna>ok, then I'm still looking for options
18:08<Tecna>i forgot the command that shows all of the available partitions
18:08<Tecna>jeeze, this is supposed to be easy
18:09<troubled>not so much when you're driving blind ;)
18:10<troubled>so what are you trying to do anyawys? just mount his existing root fs to chroot into it for grub?
18:11<Tecna>troubled: something like that. I want to get him chrooted to use grub-update because he forgot to grub-update after installing grub.
18:11<troubled>and is the drive /dev/hda3 or /dev/sda3?
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18:12<troubled>fdisk /dev/sda, shows something?
18:13<Legostrat>not found
18:13<Legostrat>fdisk that is
18:13<Tecna>Legostrat: what does fdisk -l show?
18:13<Legostrat>fdisk: not found
18:13<qq->Legostrat, do it as root
18:13<troubled>what are you currently using for a shell anyways? install cd or something?
18:14<troubled>an install cd that doesnt have fdisk? :|
18:14<Legostrat>seems that way
18:14<Tecna>Legostrat: wait, I was assuming you knew to do all of this as root
18:14<Tecna>Legostrat: sudo su
18:14<Tecna>then start over
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18:14<troubled>Legostrat: what happens if you try /sbin/fdisk -l /dev/sda? if that works, your probably not root :)
18:15<qq->Tecna, sudo in not installed by default in ...debian
18:15<troubled>`whoami` might help, same with `id`
18:15<Legostrat>I put in id
18:15<troubled>or `echo $UID` even
18:15<Tecna>qq-: really? will su work alone?
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18:16<Legostrat>uid=0(root) gid=0(root)
18:16<Legostrat>I had assumed that when booting from the disk, there is no other user other than root
18:16<Legostrat>because neither sudo nor su work.
18:16<troubled>Legostrat: what about "/sbin/fdisk -l /dev/sda"?
18:16<Tecna>Legostrat: that's what I thought too
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18:17<troubled>just seems odd you dont have fdisk. kinda a critical tool to have on a boot cd
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18:17<Legostrat>it didn't work
18:17<Legostrat>the /sbin/fdisk -l /dev/sda
18:17<troubled>what about sfdisk or cfdisk?
18:18<Legostrat>I'm using a netinstall disk
18:18<Tecna>Legostrat: what does whoami say?
18:18<Legostrat>not found
18:18<Legostrat>-/bin/sh: whoami: not found
18:18<Tecna>ok, let me boot a netinstall in a VM so I can stop asking dumb questions
18:18<troubled>Tecna: thanks, dont have one handy here heh
18:19<old>Looks like netinstall lacks such tools...
18:19<troubled>wonder if its just busybox
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18:19<troubled>Legostrat: what about "cat /proc/partitions"
18:20<Tecna>I forgot. I broke vbox last night
18:20<troubled>Tecna: murphys law :)
18:20<Legostrat>okay that gave something
18:21<Legostrat>sda sda1 sda2 sda3 sda4
18:21<Tecna>I think I need to just reinstall my entire system. this is my first debian installation that I've tried anything complicated with, and it seems I've broken several things while playing around
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18:21<troubled>okay, so we know its sda at least. what does "mount | grep sda" show
18:22<Legostrat>it accepted it
18:22<Legostrat>if that's what nothing appearing means
18:22<troubled>and what about "mount /dev/sda3 /mnt"?
18:22<Tecna>Legostrat: not when piping to grep
18:22<Tecna>Legostrat: it just means there's nothing to show
18:23<Legostrat>mount: mounting /dev/sda3 on /mnt failed: No such file or directory
18:23<troubled>you have no /mnt?
18:23<Legostrat>I do
18:23<troubled>"ls -l /dev/sda3"?
18:24<troubled>and "ls -l / | grep mnt"
18:24<Tecna>troubled: ze already mkdir /mnt/root
18:24<troubled>Tecna: ah k
18:24<Legostrat>both commands gave results
18:25<Legostrat>brw-rw-rw- 1 root root 8, 3 Jul 5 21:52 /dev/sda3
18:25<Tecna>I'm tempted to ask you to let me ssh so I can do it myself
18:25<Tecna>but I wouldn't let strangers ssh into my box.
18:25<troubled>and mount claims no such file or directory eh? ....
18:26<Legostrat>it's strange
18:26<Legostrat>I had to fiddle around with what I put in before, when i was going through the wiki
18:26<Legostrat>(btw, I'm trying to install on a macbook 2,1)
18:26<Legostrat>just a sec
18:26<Tecna>do your partitions have volume labels?
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18:28<Legostrat>sorry, had to discuss dinner
18:28<Legostrat>sorry, had to discuss dinner
18:28<Legostrat>volume lables?
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18:28<troubled>say, thats a very accurate pasting of sda3. is this a vmware install or something that allows copy/paste?
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18:28<Legostrat>I just typed it
18:29<troubled>you sure payed close attention to detail on that one
18:29<Legostrat>Tried to recreate the spacing...
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18:32<Tecna>well, my usefulness has run out
18:32<Tecna>I have one more idea
18:34<Tecna>this is how I get into my system when grub is broken, but you still need to access your /boot partition to get the names of your kernel, etc
18:34<qq->troubled, and a strange permissioning on it 'brw-rw-rw-' , instead off drwxr-xr-x
18:35<troubled>qq-: hmm good point, didn't even notice. although wiht permissions like that, it should have still worked though as root *shrug*
18:35<troubled>not relaly sure what to say when everything is in place by ghosts show up in the mount commands
18:35<qq->and 8 instead 4096
18:35<Legostrat>okay, so what do I do?
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18:36<qq->Legostrat, reboot
18:36<Tecna>Legostrat: at this point, I would make an ubuntu live cd, boot to it, and use that for this process. you'd get the added bonus of being able to copy and paste between a chat window and gnome terminal.
18:36<troubled>well, i see 8, 3 as being a valid nod here for sda3, but i have root:disk for ownership not root:root. although i cant really comment on any oddities in netinstall
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18:37<Tecna>does anyone else agree?
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18:38<Tecna>or you could just reinstall grub
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18:38<Legostrat>how should I reinstall it?
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18:38<Legostrat>I've also got a sabayon live cd, if that would help
18:38<troubled>you dont even have a working mount, i would bet money you will give us a long speil on grub not working anyways ;)
18:38<Tecna>how'd you install it this time?
18:39<Legostrat>via the wiki on how to install debian to a macbook
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18:39<Tecna>legostrat: so, this is a fresh install?
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18:40<Legostrat>I've already reinstalled it at least 3 times
18:40<qq->installed what ? lenny ?
18:40<Legostrat>I believe so
18:40<Legostrat>that's what you get when you download off the site, isn't it?
18:40<troubled>Legostrat: technically you could have booted your system from any grub shell, but when we get this much hassle with something as simple as mounting a partition, I would advise you stay away from grub commands :)
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18:41<Legostrat>I seem to be quite gifted at not mounting things.
18:41<qq->Legostrat, get someone a ssh access , and you done
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18:42<qq->after least 3 times install seems the case
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18:42<Tecna>qq-: I'd have asked to ssh and do it for him, but that would make me a hypocrite. I discourage allowing strangers to ssh.
18:43<qq->Tecna, is alearnning system anyways ..
18:44<troubled>Tecna: and we prefer to teach you how to fish :)
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18:44<troubled>go read the grub manual front to back and practice while you have a broken system that means nothing :)
18:44<qq->Tecna, and in such cases 'friends' are worths ..
18:44<Tecna>qq-: Syntax error
18:45<felixs>if nobody knows how to use the grub2 shell, so just boot some grub1 from some cd.
18:45<felixs>then booting the system is trivial.
18:45<felixs>(gien theres a kernel and an initrd)
18:46<Tecna>felixs: I was thinking use supergrub to boot the system then run update-grub, but we still need to mount /boot to find the name of the kernel and initrd
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18:47<troubled>if you ask me, just go boot into a grub shell, and learn how to set kernel and initrd and boot with "root=/dev/sda3 ro"
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18:48<troubled>at least then you will know how to recover from a dead grub install down the road
18:48<felixs>troubled: dito.
18:48<Tecna>what kills me is that if I were in alabama, i could come over and offer some effective help in person.
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18:49<troubled>Tecna: what kills me is that its only a 5 minute job, give or take depending on boot times :)
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18:49<troubled>we've been trolled! lol
18:49<felixs>Tecna: finding /boot should be easy once the system is running
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18:51<Tecna>alright, I have to go. I'll be nuking my system tonight, so I should have a fresh working vbox so I can be more help in the future.
18:51<Legostrat>thanks for all the help
18:52<Tecna>not sure if I was really any help. your problem isn't solved.
18:52<Legostrat>well, I'll be refering back to your advice, if I can get the mount thing to work
18:53<Tecna>if any of it's unclear some other geeks in here should be able to clarify my instructions
18:53<troubled>Legostrat: probably a good idea to put a full iso of the debian install in your arsenal anyways
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18:53<troubled>heck, youre wasting a full cd/dvd for a netinstall anyways. might as well at least fill it :)
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18:57<Legostrat>ok, so what does the -t do when mounting a partition?
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18:58<edrz>sets filesystem type
18:58<Legostrat>because when I have -t, the mount doesn't work
18:58<Legostrat>but without it, suddenly it worked
18:59<Legostrat>mount /dev/sda3 /mnt/root
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18:59<edrz>Legostrat: most of the time you don't need to specify
18:59<simonrvn>[troubled puts her bra back on]
18:59<edrz>it's only really needed in the cases when mount can't guess.
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19:03<mercutio22>I am on debian-squeeze here. I've been using empathy for quite some time and since yesterday I've been experiencince frequent disconnections from the msn, yahoo and icq protocols..
19:04<mercutio22>dmesg shows messages of the kind: telepathy-haze[11824]: segfault at 34 ip b76f0065 sp bff21480 error 4 in[b765c000+f7000]
19:05<troubled>mercutio22: anything in syslog? considered runnning empathy from a terminal window and waiting until a DC to see what the error was?
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19:05<troubled>nm heh
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19:05<troubled>mercutio22: checked for bug reports yet?
19:06<Legostrat>jeeze, it's working now, but the username and password that i am putting in, aren't working...
19:07<troubled>mercutio22: I get a few hits on google for "debian telepathy-haze segfault". might help?
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19:10<Legostrat>ok, how can I change the root password?
19:10<Legostrat>please don't say I have to reinstall.
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19:11<locklace>!i forgot root's password
19:11<dpkg>For GRUB: 1) press 'e' to edit the kernel setting in the grub command line (add 'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) 'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For LILO: 1) 'linux init=/bin/sh' at the LILO boot prompt (hold Shift while booting), steps 2-6 are the same; For yaboot: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at yaboot prompt.
19:11<mercutio22>troubled: yeah.. I guess its a bug
19:11<frank>upgrade to 64 bits
19:12<craigevil>locklace: cant he just boot into single user mode
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19:13<frank>upgrading to ubuntu 64 bits
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19:13<locklace>craigevil: single user mode asks for the root password
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19:16<psych787>Is there a netinstall CD for debian unstable?
19:18<xikc>use testing then update to unst+exp then inst
19:18<psych787>That's the only way?
19:19<xikc>afik for unst something like that
19:19<xikc>unst isnt too far from test
19:20<xikc>deb took stable
19:20<Legostrat>got the root pass changed, thanks.
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19:32<Legostrat>how do I list the users on my system?
19:33<edrz>cat /etc/passwd
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19:39<cthuluh>Legostrat: something like awk -F: '$3>=1000 {print $1}' /etc/passwd
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19:55<Tecna>does anyone here know how to backup and restore the passwords stored by seahorse daemon?
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20:10<gui_user>What's the discrepancy between `deborphan -a` (222 pkgs) and `apt-get autoremove` (10 pkgs)? Manually checked a few not reported by apt and those were not marked as manually installed...
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20:16<xikc>deborphan -a| tee -a deborphan_-a| awk '{ print $NF}'| xargs a remove
20:17<xikc>You are about to do something potentially harmful.
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20:40<stefanodeicolli>italy? no
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20:47<mercutio22>What is the name of the application that lets you choose to install different languages for gnome?
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20:58<ryan22>where would i go to try and get a few patches added to debian?
20:58<ryan22>specifically the lcdfilter patches for libxft and libcairo
20:58<qq->ask sidux
20:59<chealer>ryan22: the BTS
21:00<ryan22>the default anti-alaising on debian is really meh compared to most other distros
21:01<ryan22>i had to backport a few packages from ubuntu to get it up to speed
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21:13<Legostrat>anybody got wireless working on an atheros AR5008?
21:13<Legostrat>I can't seem to figure out how to get it to work
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21:14<Legostrat>I'm trying to run debian on a macbook 2,1
21:14<Legostrat>mid 2007
21:15<Legostrat>So far the sound doesn't work, the trackpad prefs don't work, and the wireless card isn't detected
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21:24<ryan22>im on a macbook 2,1 and everything works fine
21:24<ryan22>stable or testing?
21:26<ryan22>Legostrat: which version of debian?
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21:28<Legostrat>I used the netinstall image, called debian-505-amd64-netinst.iso
21:29<Legostrat>is that version 5.5?
21:29<Legostrat>I'm not sure
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21:29<Legostrat>I'm quite new to linux
21:29<sheng>how are you?
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21:30<sheng>I have a quick question if anyone is free to give me a hand
21:30<sheng>I have a quick question. When running Xen on debian Lenny, i get slow (12MB/s) disk writes, while native on the Dom0 is about 85MB/s. This is using TAP:AIO. Any idea why?
21:30<sheng>Thanks heaps :-)
21:31<ryan22>Legostrat: it's possible that the macbook 2,1 is not supported fully on debian stable (or would require quite a bit of work to get everything working). i would suggest trying testing
21:31<Legostrat>how do I get it?
21:31<ryan22>im on sidux/debian unstable and everything works fine ;)
21:32<Legostrat>so the unstable works fine?
21:32<ryan22>ya but i wouldnt recommend it until you're used to the debian tools
21:33<ryan22>testing is your best bet. most of the packages in unstable are almost the same as those in testing right now anyways
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21:34<Legostrat>so do i want squeeze alpha?
21:34<dreamer000>testing works almost but not always. For example the latest xorg for old ATI cards is not a good idea
21:35<ryan22>it should be fine on his macbook
21:35<ryan22>its very run-of-the-mill aside from the efi bootloader
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21:35<Legostrat>so do I want the current weekly snapshot?
21:35<ryan22>Legostrat: i would use the weekly snapshot or the netinstall
21:36<Legostrat>gonna go with the netinstall
21:36<ryan22>i would lean towards the netinstall, but it will drop you off at the command-line
21:37<ryan22>you have to install your desktop manger yourself along with all your apps
21:37<ryan22>its a good learning exercise :p
21:37<Legostrat>are there any tutorials on how to do that?
21:37<ryan22>kind of
21:38<BoxyBrown>you can pull down your DE (gnome) during a netinstall. It's in the options.
21:38<ryan22>ah ya i forgot about that. i use xfce so i have to install it manually
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21:39<BoxyBrown>netinstal is pretty easy, I'd second that over a weekly build
21:39<ryan22>Legostrat: i would try the netinstall and fallback to the snapshot if you get lost
21:39<BoxyBrown>just don't get in a hurry on the first try =)
21:40<i_am_error>how do i set up an ssh server on an old box i have?
21:40<ryan22>its nice to have another computer beside you to google as well
21:40<Legostrat>I've already reinstalled the stable release 3 times trying to get it to work
21:40<ryan22>i_am_error: aptitude install openssh-server
21:41<BoxyBrown>squeeze is rock solid. in sidux atm, but keep testing on all my systems.
21:41<ryan22>heh. ya laptops can be finicky
21:41<Legostrat>are all laptops as finicky as macbooks?
21:41<ryan22>thankfully your mac is one of the easy ones
21:42<Legostrat>so the mac is an easy one?
21:42<magyar>hi, configured my .bash_logout with "history -c" but it doesn't get executed (Debian Squeeze)
21:42<magyar>this works for lenny
21:42<ryan22>the macbook 2,1 uses pretty standard hardware, so you should be fine in terms of drivers on testing
21:42<dreamer000>I got lost with my targa visionary and ubuntu9.10. But testing works...
21:42<Legostrat>burning the disk currently
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21:52<Legostrat>ryan22: am I supposed to specify a keyboard layout or something, because it doesn't seem to recognize my input
21:53<ryan22>it should work out of the box but there is a "macintosh layout"
21:53<Legostrat>it only recognizes input at the initial splash screen, where you choose to install
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21:54<ryan22>hmm. try the weekly snapshot
21:54<dreamer000>my firefox crashes x when i do a middle mouse click. Whats that? :-(
21:55<blarson>!tell dreamer000 about ubuntu
21:57<Legostrat>which of the cds do I want from the weekly snapshot page?
21:57<dreamer000>i gave up on 9.10 because of cd boot process ;-) Everywhere else ok.
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21:58<ryan22>Legostrat: before you try that, enter this info in the splash screen on the live installer
21:58<ryan22>"install noapic irqpoll acpi=force"
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21:59<ryan22>that fails "If you cannot type anything in the CD/DVD boot prompt (a problem that has occured on a MacBook Core 2 Duo), you can fix it by using USB-attached keyboard."
22:00<Legostrat>gonna use a keyboard
22:01<ryan22> , if you havent found that page yet
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22:06<Guest2181>hi kind debian dudes, can i ask one question here
22:07<blarson>!tell Guest2181 about ask
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22:08<BoxyBrown> ask your most excellent question...
22:08<Guest2181>thank you all in advance
22:09<Guest2181>debian-505-i386-netinst.iso, from hard drive to install, that reported cannot detect the network interface. My old network adapter is "Realtek RTL8139 Fast Family"
22:09<dpkg>i heard rtl8139 is a RealTek PCI NIC that uses the 8139too (new) or rtl8139 (old) driver. *not* ne2k-pci, or a piece of shit card!...but some people have had good luck with it. See also <rtl81x9.c>.
22:10<Guest2181>is there one package i can download from web sites, store to then to another usb hard drive to for netinst.iso search
22:11*Guest2181 tried some times last night, finally gave up
22:11<BoxyBrown>nictools-pci handles that card
22:12<dvs>Guest2181: Get the testing netinst
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22:15<Guest2181>BoxyBrown, is there a web site offers that drivers for download, as that i can download it for resume the netinsl
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22:15*Guest2181 thinks fedora does the good job on the netinst, that can find the RealTek properly
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22:17<Dreakon>Hey guys I'm using Pidgin and back when I used Ubuntu, it would pop up a notification with the latest message when friends would send me something. Is that specific to Ubuntu or can I do it with Debian somehow, like a plugin? It's very convenient :P
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22:23<jsx>This is first time to use irc
22:24<franki^>Dreakon: "aptitude show pidgin-libnotify" may help you.
22:24<franki^>jsx: Congratulations :)
22:25<jsx>But, how to list the commands of irc?
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22:25<jsx>I only know join for now.
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22:25<franki^>"The commands" depend on your IRC client and the network you're using
22:25<Dreakon>Ah, so I should install it? I says "not installed". Will I need to activate it somehow after installing it?
22:26<jsx>i will google it first
22:26<franki^>Dreakon: I imagine it will work without any configuration, although you may need to restart Pidgin. To be honest I never use pidgin, so I have no idea
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22:27<Dreakon>Lol, alrighty. Thanks so much for the help. :)
22:27<franki^>jsx: "/msg nickserv help" might give you some useful information about this network.
22:27<franki^>No problem
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22:37<pyrokamileon>I have Lenny+Gnome installed on my system and I'm having trouble mounting my other partitions, can someone help me?
22:39<franki^>We can only try, what's the problem?
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22:44<pyrokamileon>nautilus doesn't list the partitions so I went into gparted and found out what was what
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22:46<pyrokamileon>then whenever I tried mounting something like mount -t ntfs /dev/sda6 /media/sda6 it would tell me something like cannot mount volume invalid mount option when attempting to moun the volume
22:47<pyrokamileon>but I just realized that I didn't have ntfs-3g installed
22:47<pyrokamileon>so do you think working with that might solve my problems?
22:48<pyrokamileon>I added my other partitions to my fstab and they were mounting just fine but I don't like the idea of those partitions being automounted every time I bring up the system
22:48<pyrokamileon>so I was trying to figured out how to list them in the fstab but not have them automount, and noauto apparently wasn't doing the trick
22:49<tomg>noauto should do it, do you have it in the right column?
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22:50<simonrvn>man mount
22:50<tomg>I can't remember the best way to mount NTFS, I think I used something I called fuse
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22:51<dpkg>[ntfs-3g] a user-space NTFS driver with write support and good performance, packaged for Debian. Usage examples: . Ask me about <user accessible ntfs>.
22:51<pyrokamileon>pretty sure, I listed it like this /dev/sda6 /media/sda6 ntfs noauto,users,rw,umask=0 0 0
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22:52<pyrokamileon>I wasn't sure about the umask part though...
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22:52<bja>i used the umask=0222 but with the old ntfs driver
22:53<tomg>you can try 0000 if you want... that should work, maybe some other startup program is mounting it
22:54<pyrokamileon>are there supposed to be three zeros or four? does it matter if I separate them with spaces?
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22:54<bja>pyrokamileon: i used 0 for dump and 2 for pass ymmv
22:55<tomg>I don't actually know what the first number is for if you use four digits, and yes it matters quite a lot if you separate them with spaces :-)
22:55<bja>tomg: man umask
22:56<tomg>fine :-P
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22:56<pyrokamileon>ok, I'll look into that, thanx everyone
22:56<tomg>actually I don't think man umask explains it
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22:57<tomg>pyrokamileon: if it helped, you're welcome, if it didn't, it wasn't our fault
22:57<tomg>just kidding :-p
22:57<pyrokamileon>lol k
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23:53<nasuta>when is kde4.5 planed for experimental?
23:53<simonrvn>ask the debian kde people, or see their web site on alioth
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23:57<nasuta> <simonrvn> okay, i wait for it, thanx
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23:58<jay__>hello, I'm running 32-bit debian on a 64-bit capable computer, can anyone tell me what advantages I would have if I ran 64-bit instead?
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