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---Logopened Fri Jul 09 00:00:27 2010
---Daychanged Fri Jul 09 2010
00:00<frage>iptables gurus, please put your hands up!
00:01<frage>how can i redirect the TCP traffic directed towards to
00:06<tomg>I'm not a guru. The only thing I know so far is you need the FORWARD chain
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00:07<tomg>I think you can do it in one rule
00:08<tomg>or you can tell your program to go to in the first place :-)
00:10<frage>Well, I can't obviously tell my program the 192.X address
00:11<frage>What should be the schema for the FORWARD rule?
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00:15<frage>I have used the PREROUTING, POSTROUTING and OUTPUT chains in any possible permutation, but no one did the job.
00:17<tomg>I don't know yet, and I don't know anymore if it'll be one rule or not
00:18<tomg>are you using NAT?
00:20<frage>if your questsion is if I tried with the nat table, the answer is Yes
00:20<frage>otherwise, no
00:21<frage>i'm on my host machine with a Virtual machine bound to
00:24<tomg>why not bind it to
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00:27<frage>because I can't. The matter is not the lan configuration, but just how to redirect the local traffic to an other LAN ip
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00:32<tomg>okay, I don't know, maybe get one of those iptables gurus you were talking about
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00:35<tomg>don't forget about echo 1 >/proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
00:35<tomg>otherwise packets are dropped, I think
00:36<frage>yes, thanks
00:36<frage>In other channel are suggesting to use ssh to bind the sockets
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00:36<frage>ssh localhost -L
00:37<tomg>I was thinking of mentioning that
00:38<frage>It works, but I'm just wondering why I need to use ssh to just redirect the local traffic
00:38<frage>it seams so strange
00:39<frage>netfilter is so powerful, is it possible that a so simple situation must be workarounded with third softwares?
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00:39<tomg>I looked up forwarding a port with iptables on Google and found simple rules that I haven't been able to make work yet myself
00:40<tomg>It may be that it'll work easily if we give the right options
00:40<frage>past it and i'll tell you if I already have tried
00:41<tomg>oh wait I haven't done it right
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00:50<frage>I'm adapting it to my case, i'll give you the response in just a couple of minutes
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00:52<srbaker>i'm having some serious trouble here
00:52<srbaker>i can't install package dos2unix
00:52<srbaker>or tofrodos
00:52<srbaker>i can see them just fine on p.d.o
00:53<srbaker>but aptitude won't install them
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00:54<tomg>srbaker: which release are you using?
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00:55<srbaker>tomg: squeeze
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00:56<tomg>srbaker: so what's the error?
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00:56<srbaker>says it can't find the package
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00:57<tomg>are you sure you're running squeeze?
00:57<srbaker>got it
00:57<srbaker>the mirror i was using wasn't complete
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02:39<andalepaco>Anyone know of any application for linux that allows me to block remote computer, eg on my network if I notice that a user is making a bad use of the PC, allowing block the remote computer
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02:44<newbie|2>andalepaco: you should read about iptables
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02:47<andalepaco>newbie|2, yes but that's not what I need, I need to lock the keyboard and mouse of remote users
02:48<andalepaco>gamambel, yes but that's not what I need, I need to lock the keyboard and mouse of remote users
02:49<gamambel>sorry cant help you there :)
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03:37<jmm_>hello #debian !
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03:43<cthuluh>hi jmm_
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04:07<K4SP3R>can anyone tell me if running aptitude updates the sources for apt-get also ?
04:07<jmm_>yes it does.
04:07<K4SP3R>or if running autoclean or clean with apt-get cleans or autocleans all sources \
04:07<K4SP3R>so basically if you switch from apt to aptitude when you update the sources apt will know about it ?
04:08<jmm_>yes, trough I don't see why you would do that.
04:08<K4SP3R>I prefer aptitude
04:09<K4SP3R>I've switched to it and it seems to be working pretty well for me but I was just curious about the sources thing
04:09<K4SP3R>aptitude seems more automated
04:12<K4SP3R>I heard ubuntu is also moving toward getting rid of apt
04:12<K4SP3R>not apt sorry
04:12<K4SP3R>aptitude as default
04:12<K4SP3R>that is what I was trying to say
04:12<K4SP3R>ubuntu used to use aptitude as default and wants to switch to apt as default because of update notifier
04:13<rot13>K4SP3R: give a url to back that statement
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04:13<K4SP3R>sidux which is based on debian sid / testing is mostly sid and 100% back compatible with sid except it has stuff for when there are freezes and bugs kind of like bugfixes ... basically like sid without quite as many problems or in theory anyway
04:13<K4SP3R>they prefer apt in sidux too though
04:13<K4SP3R>and init 3 d-u
04:14<K4SP3R>I think you can use aptitude in it safely but you have to use the keep all flag and just use the update-notifier instead of using the update manager
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04:14<K4SP3R>this way you do not run into as many issues
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04:15<K4SP3R>btw rot13
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04:21<AmberJ>I currently have many windows that look like this:
04:21<AmberJ>And, I want them to llok much better like for e.g.:
04:21<AmberJ>Anyone knows what do I need to do?
04:21<AmberJ>I'm probably missing some package something that will improve the look and feel of windows
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04:22<AmberJ>Like the check box in first screeny is really weird...It's not possible to tell if it is selected or not :(
04:24<mercutio22>AmberJ: you can tweek your theme. Are you on gnome?
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04:26<AmberJ>mercutio22: No. I'm using 'dwm'
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04:30<mercutio22>AmberJ: maybe thats why it looks ugly
04:31<AmberJ>mercutio22: So, that means this is related to dwm...Ok, let me try on #suckless then. ty :)
04:32<mercutio22>AmberJ: that window manager is designed to be plain it seems
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04:36<EagleScreen_>AmberJ: change the theme in Kcontrol
04:38<AmberJ>EagleScreen_: I'm not using KDE. That second screeny was a *reference* screeny that I want my current windows to look like.
04:38<AmberJ>Right now I'm using dwm
04:39<AmberJ>My "not-so-good" screeeny looks so maybe because of minimalistic nature of dwm
04:40<EagleScreen_>the second is a KDE3 window
04:40<EagleScreen_>it could be a KDE4 window themed as KDE3
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05:12<Tlen>ðóññêîÿçû÷íûé êàíàë?
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05:20<Tlen>êàê òóò îáùàòüñÿ?
05:20<cthuluh>oui oui
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05:22<Tlen>Ðóññêîÿçû÷íûé êàíàë???
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05:22<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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05:25<cthuluh>ha ha ha
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06:19<richard>hey all
06:19<richard>trying to reinstall debian on my eee using the zcat boot.img.gz > /dev/sdb method
06:20<richard>done this in the past with no problems, but today it isn't booting, i have no real idea why
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06:24<bartm>richard: is the device bootable in the bios?
06:24<bremner>richard: is sda the SD card reader?
06:25<richard>no sdb
06:25<richard>sda is my hard disk
06:25<richard>i've tried with a pen drive and an SD card
06:25<richard>neither have worked, which is weird because i have done this before with no problems
06:26<bremner>oh right, sdb, that's what I meant. SD card readers on eee's are notoriously flaky. But the pen drive ought to work.
06:26<bremner>well, my other suggestion is to try #debian-eeepc
06:27<richard>alright, cool, thanks :)
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06:29<sander_m>Hello all. A few days ago I was in this channel with some mdadm problems. It turned out my drive had died. I know how to set-up mdadm (RAID 1) but I have never had a failed drive before, so I had no idea what to do. Western Digital has sent me a replacement drive that I just installed. Now I have more questions.
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06:31<sander_m>First off, my old drive was 500G. The replacement is 640G. Two years ago I was smart enough to create partitions for my RAID1 that are just a tad smaller than the entire drive (in case I had to replace it with a drive from another manufacturer that had a slighly different size). How do I find out the exact size of my old drive (/dev/sda1) so I can create a matching /dev/sbd1?
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06:32<jm_>sander_m: you can use sfdisk to dump and recreate on another device, see -d switch
06:33<sander_m>jm_: Thanks. I'll go read the manpage
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06:46<sander_m>jm_: Done. And I've figured out how to re-add the drive to my array. It's synchronising. Yay!
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06:47<jm_>sander_m: which exact drive was it btw?
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06:47<sander_m>jm_: Do you mean type/model of the drive?
06:47<jm_>sander_m: yup
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06:49<sander_m>jm_: It was a Western Digital Corsair Blue 500G, model# WD5000AAKS-00YGA0. The replacement is a Corsair Black 640G model# WD6401AALS-00L3B2
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06:50<jm_>sander_m: heh so you got a better model returned ;)
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06:50<sander_m>jm_: Yup :-) Though I doubt I have any use for the extra 140G on the new drive.
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07:05<paulace>Hi, I want to change from Lenny Stable to Lenny Testing because the programms in stable are too old. What I have to chnage in the sources.list?
07:06<bartm>dpkg: tell paulace about lenny->squeeze
07:06<jm_>note that lenny is not testing
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07:07<bartm>paulace: that is "from Lenny Stable to Squeeze Testing"
07:07<paulace>oh sorry
07:08<paulace>Do I just to replace the "lenny" in the sources.list with squeeze?
07:08<jm_>did you see what dpkg told you?
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07:10<paulace>yes ok
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07:44<piksu>hi gyys
07:45<piksu>I've succesfully installed debian now. I´ve got a problem to connect to internet
07:45<piksu>How do I do that? I´ve got no problems doing that with winxp on this pc
07:45<piksu>Im new to debian so Im in search of help
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07:46<jm_>what kind of connection?
07:47<piksu>Just internet connection
07:47<piksu>I mean, I just can
07:47<piksu>can't configure it right
07:47<piksu>I can´t acces to internet with debian browser
07:47<jm_>what kind of internet connection ...
07:47<jm_>do you have a router?
07:48<piksu>I dont have router in my department
07:48<piksu>I live in apartment building
07:48<jm_>for that you can configure it via interfaces file, that's what I use
07:49<piksu>How do I actually do that? Im really a noob with debian. :i
07:51<piksu>thanks, so I just install this pppoeconf and run it
07:51<jm_>that's the easiest - one can also edit stuff by hand
07:51<piksu>sounds pretty easy, do I have to do any other changes or do something else then?
07:52<piksu>Well Im that noob still that I probably can
07:52<piksu>can´´t do that just by hand
07:52<piksu>Well, imma try that
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07:52<jm_>that should be enough for now
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07:53<piksu>jm_: one more question
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07:53<piksu>Do i just like double click that .deb file
07:53<piksu>to run it or how do I run it?
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07:53<jm_>piksu: which .deb file?
07:54<piksu> just did download pppoeconf_1.18_all.deb file
07:54<jm_>piksu: dpkg -i file.deb ; also note that it may depend on some stuff you don't have installed yet
07:54<piksu>all right, but you suggest i just try that now and see if it works
07:55<witte>piksu: you have adsl? But do you connect to an adsl modem using a normal ethernet cable
07:55<piksu>I do not have a adsl modem here, becaus I live in department building
07:55<piksu>ive got the ethernet cable
07:56<piksu>which goes straight to wall
07:56<jm_>yeah it will tell you if anything is missing so you'll need to download that and install it, and repeat until it's OK :)
07:56<piksu>I sound pretty newb. :<
07:56<piksu>all right, thanks for the help
07:56<jm_>but you're sure it's PPP and not something simple like just DHCP?
07:56<piksu>no, its PPPoE im pretty sure
07:56<jm_>ok I recommend you also download ppp and pppoe, just in case
07:56<piksu>kk, im going to try that
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07:57<piksu>so this is what I do: open up terminal
07:57<piksu>type in dpkg -i pppoeconf_1.18_all.deb
07:57<jm_>you need to be root
07:57<jm_>and pppoeconf_1.18_all.deb needs to be in your current directory
07:58<piksu>ill try, lets see can i manage to get internet working
07:59<jm_>you'll need to know your ppp username/password
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08:00<piksu>jm_: I know it
08:00<piksu>ok im going to debian now
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08:14<piksu>didnt work
08:14<piksu>wait a sec, ill show what it said
08:14<piksu>i ran it as root
08:15<piksu>then typed in what i said I would
08:15<piksu>debian:/home/kakeman/Desktop# dpkg -i pppoeconf_1.18_all.deb
08:15<piksu>(Reading database ... 57534 files and directories currently installed.)
08:15<piksu>Preparing to replace pppoeconf 1.18 (using pppoeconf_1.18_all.deb) ...
08:15<piksu>Unpacking replacement pppoeconf ...
08:15<piksu>dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of pppoeconf:
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08:15<dpkg>piksu: that's not the complete error. Please pastebin the command you gave and the entire output. Ask me about <pastebin> <bat> <localised errors>.
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08:16<piksu>sorry about that
08:19<jm_>piksu: no pasting here -- /msg dpkg paste
08:20<jm_>and I already mentioned that if it says some other stuff is needed you'll ned to install it and repeat
08:20<piksu>install it and repeat
08:20<piksu>what do you mean
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08:20<piksu>What do I need to install?
08:21<piksu>package ppp is not installed and package pppoe?
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08:22<jm_>i can't tell untill I see full error
08:23<piksu>thats the full error i pasted, im going to pastebin it for you
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08:25<piksu>im going to try install ppp and pppoe packages and try again.
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08:31<jm_>right, installing pppoe and ppp will be OK for the errors shown there and modconf
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09:01<yfk>what's the package that needs configuring with dpkg in order to set xorg.conf?
09:01<jm_>yfk: none
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09:02<ron_>hi @ all
09:02<yfk>how can I use dpgk-reconfigure to reconfigure xorg.conf?
09:02<yfk>err dpkg
09:02<ron_>someone experienced in setting up rsyslog with kerberos support (gssapi) ?
09:03<ron_>dpkg-reconfigure Xserver.xorg
09:03<ron_>its case-sensitiv
09:03<ron_>with bash_completion enabled u can use <TAB> to find the right name
09:04<yfk>ron_, thanks
09:04<ron_>np ;)
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09:07<dpkg>From Lenny onwards, xorg mostly configures itself. Resolution is set by your monitor/graphics card (unless they're broken) or by your desktop environment or <xrandr>. From Squeeze, input hotplugging saves duplicating settings and restarting X after changes. The /etc/X11/xorg.conf file is usually no longer needed and is often blank. Manual configuration is still possible, see <xorg config lenny> <xorg config squeeze>.
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09:42<troubled>weasel: hmmm, was ssl just down?
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09:45<JackL>I managed to get the debian recognize the two hds (HP Smart Array Controller B110i - SERVER HP ML110 G6). But the debian did not recognize the volume (RAID1) via mounting hardware. Only the discs individually. Does anyone have any tips?
09:45<JackL>Able to accomplish it with custom image by
09:47<troubled>ah nm, it should be s#/di/#/d-i/#
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09:48<@Ganneff>JackL: you need a recent kernel, so stay with the kmuto images
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09:51<JackL>@Ganneff, I used images kmuto ... the kernel is 2.6.32. But did not recognize the mounted volume physically (RAID1)
09:51<@Ganneff>you said "able to" with those.
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09:52<JackL>@Gannef, I could recognize the two discs. But not the physical volume!
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09:54<troubled>JackL: you mean lvm volumes?
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10:00<sesev>how can I setup pppoe?
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10:02<dr|z3d>sesev: first port of call: apt-cache search pppoe
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10:02<sesev>i tried, but didn't work
10:02<sesev>I mean it was like there was no packet for pppoeconf
10:02<dr|z3d>!doesn't work
10:02<dpkg>Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions> and <errors>.
10:03<sesev>should I have put pppoe info when installing debian?
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10:05<troubled>sesev: well, quick check list. the eth is up and the syslog shows that the ppp link started. did it login okay?
10:06<JackL>troubled, I would like the debian recognize that the volume is already mounted via physical raid (RAID1). But he recognizes only the disks individually (two 500GB hds)!
10:07<troubled>heh, "the debian" :)
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10:08<troubled>JackL: so its hardware raid or software raid you are trying to access?
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10:10<JackL>troubled, raid hardware... to BIOS/Controller
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10:11<troubled>JackL: not sure then really. all my hardware raid cards "just worked (tm)". Sounds like the controller isn't in a mode that linux recognizes as being raid. maybe AHCI/IDE bios raid setting related?
10:16<troubled>JackL: does have a paragraph on "fake raid" though that you may want to glimpse over. that being said, I know mdadm does have some options for reading raid from real hardware controllers. although I suspect that would have been detected possibly during boot if it were an option
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10:16<troubled>then again, I don't remember of linux md raid needed the raid autodetect partition type or not for that auto scanning
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10:19<LoRez>nope, not me.
10:19<troubled>my bad :)
10:19<troubled>nothing, just waving
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10:21<JackL>troubled, The raid is properly mounted via BIOS. But the debian really does not recognize the volume. Even with the most recent kernel, only recognizes the discs individually.
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10:21<troubled>JackL: which OS/distro did you initially install the volume with?
10:24<troubled>maybe also try something like `mdadm --assemble --scan` or similar to see if the volumes are linux md raid detectable? </long shot>
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10:25<troubled>better yet, try googling for your raid chipset and see what you can find out. otherwise, I doubt i can be of much help to ya
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10:47<kaduk>is there a way to install flash ?
10:47<kaduk>without 32libs
10:47<petemc>you'll get the same answers here as you did in the other debian channel
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10:49<troubled>petemc: A+ for effort :)
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10:51<kaduk>petemc, I was counting on less rude ppl here
10:51<petemc>you reap what you sow
10:51<kaduk>petemc, like project... "fuckers"
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11:05<EagleScreen_>there is kaduk
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11:11<mira>hi, I have a file that doesn't let me save itself
11:11<mira>I tried in VIM too, it say "system is full?"
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11:11<lau>mira is your partition read only ?
11:12<Guest2519>other files are saved fine
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11:12<petemc>:!df -h
11:12<Guest2519>df -h say there is 50GB free
11:13<lau>which one to use ntp or ntpdate in order to sync a server to an outised pool date server ?
11:13<lau>I intalled ntp but I don't want anybody to connect to it in order to get time
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11:24<Guest2519>btw, I have accedentily insterted my root password on a normal user's session, and the remember password was checked
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11:25<Guest2519>how do I make gnome forget the password?
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11:27<adminiserror>how do I make gnome forget the password?
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11:32<locklace>!lart bastetana
11:32*dpkg urinates on bastetana
11:33<locklace>bastetana: habla ingles o salte, perra
11:35<bastetana>dice slo mismo ke mi friens
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11:36<bastetana>ay alguien
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11:37<locklace>bja: can you please translate all the lart factoids and put them in !lart-es
11:38<locklace>!slap bastetana
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11:38<bastetana>me ablas en catellano
11:38<bja>!es-social bastetana
11:38<dpkg>bastetana: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador por favor ingresa al canal social de #debian-es con /join #debian-es-cachondeo. Tus amigos probablemente ya esten ahi.
11:38<bastetana>no se ingles
11:39<bastetana>eso komo se ace
11:39<bja>!es bastetana
11:39<dpkg>bastetana: Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat
11:39<bja>bastetana: en donde estas escribiendo es la linea de chat
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11:40<bja>bastetana: has recibido una invitación para entrar a #debian-es-cachondeo
11:41<bastetana>ya esta
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11:45<ercool>A spanking, a spanking!!!
11:46<locklace>!lose spain
11:46<dpkg>spain: You Lose.
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12:02<dpkg>spain: You Lose.
12:02<bja>!lard kaduk
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12:39<delonair>sono stati riscontrati difetti in ubuntu 10.04? se si quali sono
12:39<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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12:40<dante_2core>hey guys, where'd base-config go? I'd like to reconfigure some stuff I forgot at installation
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12:42<gsimmons>dpkg: tell dante_2core -about base-config
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13:36<dpkg>rumour has it, jp is Japan
13:36<makoto>sorry sorry...
13:36<makoto>español ? someone write spanish ?
13:37<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat
13:37<makoto>Thank you very much friend
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14:32<jay_>hello to all, i'm using debian testing and just to see what it was like, I installed ubuntu 10.04 in another partition, to my surprise it appears to be a lot faster than squeeze, so i think something bogus is going on, I'm not sure this is the right place to ask, but does anyone know what might be going on? I was under the impresion debian was a lot faster
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14:35<cahoot>jay_: I've no answer but you probably need define what you mean by 'faster'
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14:36<kop>jay_: FYI, the outside of the disk is a lot faster than the inside.
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14:41<jay_>cahoot, I mean it boots and shutdowns faster, the applications start faster also, it somehow seems a bit more unstable than squeeze however
14:41<jay_>kop, that might be the cause, but something tells me there are other factors, it's too big of a difference
14:42<jay_>the equivalent for ubuntu 10.04 would be squeeze or sid?
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14:45<jay_>is that a mix of both?
14:45<cahoot>jay_: there isn't really an equivalent
14:45<jay_>I see
14:46<jay_>ok, then maybe I should try sid and see how that goes
14:46<jordanm>!tell jay_ about sid
14:46<cahoot>jay_: but I suspect version are a mixture of squeeze and sid - possibly
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14:48<craigevil>jay_: take a look at
14:48<jay_>is there a way to directly download a .iso for sid? I can't find one
14:48<jay_>craigevil, will do
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15:01<guilherme>how can i use the intel compiler with kdevelop?
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15:01<retrospectacus>jay_: /msg dpkg sid iso
15:03<jordanm>guilherme: what is the intel compiler?
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15:05<jay_>retrospectacus, thanx
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15:11<guilherme>jordanm: the icc, the compiler from intel (like gcc), itś free for personal users
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15:14<jordanm>guilherme: is that packaged by debian?
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15:14<jordanm>I would not be suprised if a free project such as kdevelop does not support non-free compilers
15:14<jordanm>guilherme: why use something like that when there is gcc? is there some advantage?
15:15<moldovean>jordanm, yeah, is proprietary ;-)
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15:17<guilherme>jordanm: no itś not packged by debian, but i installde it, it works with eclipse
15:17<crashover>i need a little help
15:17<guilherme>jordanm: well, the complier is optimized for the processor, i think it got better results
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15:19<crashover>anybody there?
15:19<witte>crashover: just ask
15:19<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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15:20<crashover>i have a problem
15:20<jordanm>guilherme: well, I find that hard to believe, and if it were true, I bet the performance gain is negliable
15:20<crashover>with backtrack
15:20<dpkg>BackTrack is not Debian and is not supported in #debian (ask me about <based on debian>). Try or #backtrack-linux on instead. BackTrack is a Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu> Intrepid (as of BackTrack 4), previously <SLAX>. Derived from merging two penetration-testing distributions: WHAX (formerly WHOPPIX) and Auditor Security Linux.
15:20<jordanm>!tell crashover about enter
15:20<crashover>i cant get to work the display effects
15:20<jordanm>crashover: not supported here
15:21<crashover>where should i go?
15:21<jordanm>crashover: read the damn factoid
15:21<crashover>what an attitude
15:21<crashover>nevermind asshole
15:21<crashover>ill do it myself
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15:23<witte>another happy customer...
15:23<witte>he could at least have had the decency to read
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15:25<jordanm>reading is not to be expected from backtrack users
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15:36<Scrat>hi all
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16:18<psych787>"Running /etc/init.d/networking restart is deprecated because it may not enable again some interfaces"
16:18<psych787>Ok, that's awesome. Now what am I supposed to use instead?
16:18<psych787>That has to be done for each interface individually. Any alternative?
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16:24<jordanm>psych787: no
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16:26<bja>psych787: it can be done with the -a option man ifup |less '+/--all'
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16:26<psych787>Oh, ok, thanks.
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16:31<bja>!pie dr|z3d
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16:31<psych787>ifup -a does not call things like dhcp
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16:32<dr|z3d>!congratulate bja
16:32<dpkg>Nice one bja, you did it!
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16:32<bja>psych787: that should be set up on your /etc/network/interfaces file
16:33<psych787>Ya, I just realized that. Why debian no longer sets that up properly at installation time is a mystery to me.
16:34<moldovean>psych787, in lenny installation ?
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16:36<psych787>Yes. It used to work out of the box in lenny. Now it doesn't.
16:36<moldovean>sure it does, your dhcp etc is wrong
16:36<psych787>Not really. Debian Lenny installer had a working /etc/init.d/interfaces file out of the box, including auto and interfaces other than the default.
16:37<psych787>This one doesn't have that. I'll fix it of course, but the installer should do this.
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16:37<moldovean>what is 'This one' ?
16:38<bzed>I *could* imagine that udev messes with the order of network devices after the installation
16:38<psych787>This one = Squeeze (Testing) installer.
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16:39<bzed>psych787: did you report a bug?
16:39<psych787>I was just remarking it was an annoyance.
16:39<bzed>psych787: then do so please
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16:39<bzed>psych787: otherwise it won't be fixed as nobody knows about it
16:40<psych787>bzed: I can't really document the bug. I therefore have no way to be sure it isn't simply a matter of something I did wrong. Yes, I do report bugs, but only when I'm sure of them. Sorry.
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16:44<moldovean>psych787, which installer you tested? i386 ...
16:45<moldovean>and from which repos/date come
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16:45<psych787>About 7-2. Debian Testing netinstaller.
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16:46<moldovean>netinstall ?
16:47<dpkg>from memory, netinst is a small CD image with which you can install Debian. If, during the installation process you have a working Internet connection, you can install more packages straight away, otherwise, you will have a base install and more packages later. See See also <check iso image>, <dialup install>, <usb install>, <installer>.
16:47<psych787>Ya, the netinstaller iso for debian testing.
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16:54<moldovean>last debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso is 17-Feb-2010 23:19 ..
16:54<jordanm>testing installers may be broken. upgrade from lenny if needed
16:55<psych787>Ya, I know they may be broken, but the word "deprecated" seems to indicate that this sort of functionality is going downhill. I certainly hope not.
16:55<jordanm>psych787: read the wishlist bug report where the maintainer denied the request to reverse the change?
16:56<psych787>Where would I find that?
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16:57<psych787>I don't see a wishlist bug repot.
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16:59<jordanm>psych787: yeah, I am unable to find it either
16:59<jordanm>that bug report stands out in my mind though because the maintainer replied to one of the requests "and I want a pony too"...
16:59<psych787>Wow, what an attitude. :|
17:00<moldovean>what a troll
17:00<psych787>I don't *really* mind the lack of this feature personally, but it's not the direction I want to see debian headed.
17:01<jordanm>well, I am sure the maintainer explained his reasoning
17:01<jordanm>IIRC it had something to do with "restart" not functioning if you removed one of the interfaces that was previously in the interface file when it started
17:01<moldovean>psych787, i just tested testing 386 installer and interfaces are ok ..
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17:02<psych787>moldovean: And are they in the auto section?
17:02<jordanm>psych787: and the interfaces file is not written if configuring networking fails during installation
17:02<moldovean>psych787, what's auto section?
17:02*psych787 brings it up
17:02<jordanm>moldovean: man interfaces
17:03<psych787>"auto lo eth0"
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17:03<psych787>I had to add eth0 manually, and of the two ethernet interfaces on my machine, only one was added to /etc/interfaces.
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17:04<moldovean>psych787, that is no more needed ,"allow-hotplug eth0" replace "auto eth0"
17:04<psych787>ifup -a does not think so
17:04<moldovean>and has been in from long time
17:05<psych787>ifup -a does not think so
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17:06<moldovean>psych787, so your original complain means nothing ..
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17:06<psych787>I don't see why that would be so.
17:07<s_i_m>and what was the original complain? (just came in)
17:07<psych787>1) ifup -a ignores the hotplug line, but pays attemtion to auto. If /etc/init.d/networking restart is truly "deprecated" then ifup -a needs to be able to replace it, even if that means fixing the /etc/interfaces file.
17:08<psych787>2) The installer used to put more information in /etc/interfaces. That was useful.
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17:11<s_i_m>i have not used installer in ages. do you say that on squeeze /etc/networking restart does not bring up interfaces listed in auto? cannot be
17:11<moldovean>psych787, b/c "allow-hotplug eth0" bring up the interface eth0 at boot, is up to you have a cable in eth0 at boot , maybe you don't so have to menage that later yourself
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17:12<psych787>moldovean: You're not following me at all.
17:13<moldovean>psych787, and that has noting to do with testing installer, b/c it was the same in lenny
17:13<psych787>First off, no it wasn't.
17:13<psych787>Second, I'm talking about two problems here.
17:13<psych787>One is that the newer installer is defficient.
17:13<moldovean>your troll , it wae
17:14<s_i_m>as i can guess, the complain is about "auto" vs. "allow-hotplug" in a default install?
17:14<psych787>With the lack of default information in /etc/network/interfaces AND the lack of /etc/init.d/networking restart, there is no longer a way to quickly reset ALL networking on the system.
17:15<psych787>This can be annoying in such situations as a bad resume from s2disk or s2ram.
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17:16<psych787>Basically, /etc/init.d/networking restart is an outstanding workaround any time the external network goes down without a hotplug event. Without it, something NEEDS to take its place.
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17:17<s_i_m>psych787, for the last task there was ifplugd in the past, it is propably still working
17:18<psych787>s_i_m: /me looks
17:19<psych787>Does ifplugd respond when the cable *hasn't* been removed?
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17:21<s_i_m>psych787, i guess you should check under the precise conditions you have.
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17:27<moldovean>anyways , here (on lenny) if interface lost his connection/route, for any reason, it come up alone ..
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17:38<jalto>I've got an install on an external media that gets held up in boot at cups
17:39<jalto>by editing the rootfs is there a way to skip cups on bootup
17:39<jalto>ie update-rc.d without actually being in the fs
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17:41<jordanm>jalto: just boot single user mode and do it
17:42<jalto>unfortunately I'm not using grub (sheevaplug), good suggestion though
17:42<jordanm>then what is it using? PXE booting?
17:43<jalto>jordanm, I forgot the name, let me see if I can find it
17:43<jordanm>boot paramaters are not specific to the bootloader
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17:45<jalto>jordanm, it's uboot
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17:45<jordanm>,info uboot-envtools
17:45<judd>uboot-envtools (utils, extra): read/modify the environment for the bootloader U-Boot. Version: 20080520-4; Size: 11.6k; Installed: 56k; Homepage:
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17:46<jordanm>jalto: I am not familar with that bootloader but it looks like that tool might be of use for getting init=/bin/sh passed to the kernel for single-user
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17:46<jalto>thanks I'll look into it
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18:04<jerryclunsford>Javascripts don't display properly on either of my browsers (iceweasel and epiphany) This is a clean install Debian lenny and javascript and java are both enabled in preferences
18:07<jerryclunsford>there is no software installed to block javascript.
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18:09<bja>eduran: /j #debian-es
18:10<eduran> /j #debian-es
18:10<jerryclunsford>I was told that javascript support was built in. Do I need to get a plug in?
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18:25<jerryclunsford>does anyone have any Ideas on how to get javascript to work I need to access a website that has javascdript drop down menus I can't get anywhere on the site without it.
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18:28<jerryclunsford>I had the same problem with a Debian lenny amd64 machine I installed the sun-java6-jre and that took care of it didn't work on this one.
18:31<jerryclunsford>Sure is quiet Is this thing working?
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18:33<jordanm>jerryclunsford: link to the website?
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19:03<cesurasean>Howdy yall
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19:32<EmployedPlayer>hi, does anyone know how to see what users are on a system from a GDM login screen
19:33<retrospectacus>what users exist? or are logged in
19:33<EmployedPlayer>i downloaded a VMware image
19:33<EmployedPlayer>but my boss left
19:33<EmployedPlayer>and so i dont know what the username or pass is to login
19:33<EmployedPlayer>i think i know the password,
19:33<EmployedPlayer>i just dont know the username
19:34<EmployedPlayer>i'm at the gdm login screen now
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19:34<muep>if it doesn't already show them, I suspect it won't tell you
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19:34<EmployedPlayer>i was just wondering if there was anyway to 1337haxxxor it
19:35<EmployedPlayer>oh well, i guess i'll just wait till he return my email
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19:35<retrospectacus>if you can list the files in the vmware guest os thru the host, then you could just read /etc/passwd
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19:39<EmployedPlayer>retrospectacus , can you explain that? i don't understand
19:40<EmployedPlayer>i get it
19:40<EmployedPlayer>but how do i that?
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19:43<retrospectacus>I don't know, I haven't used vmware in a while... but with openvz I can browse the filesystem of the guest OS when it isn't even running like: ls /var/lib/vz/root/101/etc/passwd
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20:37<r0ger>i just upgraded mysql and now i can't start it (using testing/unstable mix) and nothing useful is in the syslog file
20:38<r0ger>any ideas where else i can find info on why it isn't starting?
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20:42<moldovean>r0ger, is not enough tricky mysql in lenny, to needs to add unstable things to it ?
20:43<r0ger>well i don't know that anything is actually used from unstable atm
20:43<r0ger>using pinning to use testing as main
20:43<r0ger>but either way mysql isn't outputting any error information that i can use to determine what to fix
20:45<moldovean>r0ger, ask bot maybe has some factoids for you as /msg dpkg mysql
20:46<moldovean> /msg dpkg selftell
20:48<r0ger>nope :\
20:50<moldovean>and on bts ?
20:51<jordanm>r0ger: /var/log/daemon.log
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20:55<r0ger>jordanm: same as syslog
20:55<jordanm>r0ger: the init script is failing to start?
20:55<r0ger>yes pasting logs 1 sec
20:57<jordanm>r0ger: pgrep mysql
20:58<jordanm>r0ger: does it return a value?
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20:59<r0ger>i created the /var/run/mysqld folder with mysql:adm ownership because it wasn't created yet
20:59<r0ger>i thought maybe that's why it wasn't starting was because it couldn't write it's pid file
21:00<r0ger>still no luck
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21:02<moldovean>r0ger, uname -r , says ?
21:03<r0ger>1 sec
21:04<jordanm>well, your behind on kernel upgrades but managed to get mysql
21:05<jordanm>r0ger: rm what you created, then show me the error
21:06<r0ger>the error was the exact same before i created that fold
21:08<r0ger>rm'd and running init again just to be sure
21:09<jordanm>r0ger: pastebin: apt-cache policy mysql-server-5.1 mysql-common libc6; sh -x /etc/init.d/mysql start
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21:11<jordanm>r0ger: also, are you sure this isn't #585477?
21:11<r0ger>ahh it's saying mysql-server isn't installed
21:11<r0ger>1 sec
21:13<r0ger>it was just not installed
21:13<r0ger>it uninstalled v5 instead of upgrading to 5.1
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21:14<moldovean>wave to pinning ..
21:15<airmikey>i just loaded ubuntu 64...keeps rebooting 1-4 times a day for last few days there a fix ?
21:15<airmikey>10.04 version
21:15*moldovean ask #ubuntu
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21:15<airmikey>oh sorry
21:15*cthuluh would install debian
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21:17<jordanm>he must not have like cthuluh's fix.. but I did
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21:22<cthuluh>bah.... they try, and try again to get things properly working on their ubuntu box. why can't they understand that's a lost cause?
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22:36<acx0>is it preferred to use ntp or ntpdate to keep the time in sync? for some reason on my dual-boot system (w/ windows) the time keeps changing everytime I switch and neither of the packages correct it unless I do so explicitly
22:38<cthuluh>acx0: I do have a fix for that problem: get rid of windows
22:38<cthuluh>(just kidding, of c....)
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22:38<acx0>it's kind of hard when your family refuses to learn how to use another operating system - i don't blame em though
22:38<acx0>isn't debian supposed to come with these packages though? they weren't installed by default on my system
22:39<cthuluh>give them gnome, it looks like XP
22:39<cthuluh>or kde, it looks like seven
22:39<moldovean>acx0, keep in mind that windows change the BIOS time ...
22:40<acx0>moldovean, does that mean that it shouldn't change the time in debian? either way, times in both os's are always off, I have to update them manually
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22:43<rgmatos>LPI someone is certified?
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22:43<rgmatos>how are you?:
22:43<legostrat>I'm trying to compile emerald theme manager on my system
22:43<legostrat>I'm fine.
22:44<rgmatos>his missing woman here!
22:44<legostrat>I'm getting this error: No package 'gtk+-2.0' found
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22:45<legostrat>Trying to follow this tutorial:
22:45<rgmatos>is missing dependancy
22:45<legostrat>So how should I install it?
22:46<rgmatos>you have to update the GTK library
22:46<legostrat>How would I go about doing that?
22:46<moldovean>libgtk2.0-dev: /usr/lib/pkgconfig/gtk+-2.0.pc
22:47<rgmatos>occurs to me that the package installed GTK2?
22:48<rgmatos>dpkg -l | grep gtk2-engines
22:48<dpkg>No packages found matching | grep gtk2-engines
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22:48<rgmatos>apt-get install gtk2-engines
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22:48<rgmatos>apt-get upgrade
22:49*eandrade h8 apt
22:49<rgmatos>updates its distribution
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22:49<legostrat>It says that they're the newest available
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22:50<rgmatos>ldconfig -v
22:51<rgmatos>restructure the library table
22:51<legostrat>How do I do that?
22:52<rgmatos>run as root
22:52<rgmatos>open gnome-terminal
22:52<rgmatos>and then
22:52<rgmatos>sudo ldconfig -v
22:52<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
22:53<legostrat>I did that
22:53<legostrat>Does that mean I've restructured the library table?
22:54<legostrat>Here, lemme post what I'm getting from the ./configure process.
22:55<rgmatos>Please enter <ls> and show
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22:57<rgmatos>and then
22:57<rgmatos>sudo make install
22:57<legostrat>so I should ignore those errors?
22:58<rgmatos>if you see any error at the end of compilation let me know
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22:58<rgmatos>the error happens when you run
22:59<legostrat>Check out the pastebin I posted
22:59<legostrat>That's what I'm getting
22:59<legostrat>I tried running make, and it said there's no make file
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23:01<rgmatos>dependancy is missing the command. / configure indentificar
23:02<rgmatos>you have msn?
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23:03<legostrat>Actually, I need to go to bed...
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23:03<legostrat>I'll try getting it to work tomorrow
23:03<legostrat>Thanks for the help though.
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23:05<XxbloodxrushxX>hey how do i get themes installed for backtrack 4 final?
23:05<dpkg>BackTrack is not Debian and is not supported in #debian (ask me about <based on debian>). Try or #backtrack-linux on instead. BackTrack is a Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu> Intrepid (as of BackTrack 4), previously <SLAX>. Derived from merging two penetration-testing distributions: WHAX (formerly WHOPPIX) and Auditor Security Linux.
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23:39<nutron>is it possible to use mdadm to hot-remove / add new drives to a raid-1 array? I need to do this as I ... setup some green drives by mistake as my root md device. Or is it better to create a new md array and copy/configure the new array as the primary one?
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23:46<gdb>nutron: Assuming your system support hot swapping, or the new drive is already in the machine, yes. Fail the drive you want to remove with mdadm, then remove it, then add the new one. It's 3 commands total.
23:48<gdb>mdadm --fail /dev/md0 /dev/sdb1 ++ mdadm --remove /dev/md0 /dev/sdb1 ++ mdadm --add /dev/md0 /dev/sdb1 (you'll want to pre-fdisk the new drive). It works just like Sun DiskSuite or Veritas. As usual, probably want to refer to the man page to construct the command line. That's just off the top of my head.
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