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---Logopened Wed Jul 14 00:00:02 2010
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00:00<woden>Why aren't xinit and xauth part of the xserver-xorg package?
00:00<craigevil>sun: if you have the kernel metpackage it should install when you do aptitude full-upgrade
00:00<DeLaCepa>do apt-cache searchs, if that don't work apt-file search
00:00<woden>Yea I got it
00:01<ansgar>woden: Because they are perfectly usable without a local X server (think X forwarding over SSH).
00:01<woden>ansgar, Oh.
00:01<ansgar>woden: (xinit should certainly depend on xauth if it needs it. That it does not is a bug and fixed in Squeeze.)
00:02<DeLaCepa>woden you should install xorg not just xserver-xorg
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00:03<woden>DeLaCepa, no wonder it wasn't working
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00:05<woden>How do I get my x session to display in 1024x768? It is at 800x600 right now. I know it is capable of 1024x768.
00:06<dondelelcaro>woden: xrandr; will tell you what modes it supports
00:06<woden>dondelelcaro, I ran xrandr. That's how I know I was in 800x600. Only other mode shown was 640x480.
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00:07<woden>But when I put Mint 9 on this same box it goes to 1024x768
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00:10<moldovean>try , xrandr -d :0 -s 1024x768
00:11<woden>moldovean, While in X or in console? Or does that not matter?
00:11<moldovean>in X
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00:11<DeLaCepa>do apt-cache searchs, if that don't work apt-file search
00:12<dpkg>i heard as is autosearch: install apt-file and use apt-cache search <packagename> and/or apt-file search <name> , do it yourself. Don't forget to run apt-file update ;)
00:12<woden>moldovean, It says "Size 1024x768 not found in available modes"
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00:12<moldovean>woden, X -configure :1 , as root (in xterminal)
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00:13<woden>moldovean, That did something
00:14<woden>moldovean, What is next?
00:14<moldovean>read all that command is say_ng
00:15<traveler>the manpage gives this example: xrandr --addmode VGA 1024x768
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00:18<woden>moldovean, There is no /etc/X11/ I checked the directory.
00:19<moldovean>woden it's in root/
00:19<moldovean>tried traveler command?
00:20<woden>moldovean, Oh.
00:20<woden>moldovean, Yes it gave an error. Can't open display.
00:21<moldovean>woden, wait , tried traveler command?
00:21<woden>The new xorg.conf is better I backed up the old one and now I'm using the new one.
00:21<woden>moldovean, This one? xrandr --addmode VGA 1024x768
00:22<woden>As root it says "Can't open display"
00:22<moldovean>not as root
00:22<woden>As user it says "cannot find output "VGA""
00:22<moldovean>try without VGA ..
00:23<woden>prints the help
00:23<moldovean>ok, cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.old
00:23<woden>moldovean, Yea I did that already.
00:24<moldovean>cp /root/ /etc/X11/xorg.conf
00:24<woden>I did mv /etc/X11.xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.orig
00:24<woden>And then cp /root/ /etc/X11/xorg.conf
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00:26<woden>moldovean, Done
00:26<moldovean>restart X
00:26<woden>xrandr still says 800x600
00:27<moldovean>paste xorg.conf
00:27<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <>.
00:27<woden>How? Can I do that from the command line?
00:27<traveler>apt-get install pastebinit
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00:28<woden>I did pastebinit -i /etc/X11/xorg.conf
00:29<traveler>copy the link
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00:29<traveler>should be more like
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00:30<woden>Its not giving a URL like that
00:30<traveler>use tab completion to the file just to make sure no typos
00:31<traveler>mine was like this...
00:31<traveler>root@debianlicious /home/dsmith # pastebinit -i /home/dsmith/BASH/
00:32<woden>still not giving a URL like it should
00:32<moldovean>woden, pastebinit -i /etc/X11/xorg.conf -b
00:32<traveler>i don't get that. you're certain the path is correct?
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00:33<moldovean>woden, dont use root to paste
00:34<woden>moldovean, My bad
00:34<woden>Well there it is anyhow.
00:34<moldovean>Cirrus Logic ? is old
00:34<traveler>=) my bad. i was tgoo lazy to open a new terminal...
00:34<woden>Yes but its capable of 1024x768.
00:34<woden>I installed Linux Mint 9 and it went to 1024x768 out of the box.
00:35<moldovean>woden, which monitor you have ? LCD , CRT
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00:36<woden>moldovean, LCD
00:37<traveler>moldovean, dpkg -reconfigure... (?)
00:38<moldovean>woden, here is mine xorg , add to section "Monitor" only this line "VertRefresh 50-75"
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00:39<moldovean>and restart X
00:40<moldovean>if not good, try lower it to 50-70
00:41<moldovean>traveler, dpkg -reconfigure is depreciate
00:41<woden>So just add VertRefresh "50-75" to my Section "Monitor" ?
00:41<moldovean>in >=lenny
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00:42<moldovean>nah, see my xorg
00:42<moldovean>woden, ^^
00:43<woden>moldovean, How do I copy your xorg.conf onto my sytem?
00:43<moldovean>i meant : VertRefresh 50-75 ; no
00:44<woden>moldovean, I put that single line in my xorg.conf
00:45<woden>exactly as it appears in yours
00:45<moldovean>woden, ok, restart
00:45<woden>Did that
00:45<woden>xrandr showing 800x600
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00:46<traveler>xserver-xorg-video-cirrus - X.Org X server -- Cirrus display driver
00:46<traveler>from apt-cache search cirrus
00:46<moldovean>cirrus logic , change this old card ~15 years
00:47<traveler>apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-cirrus
00:47<moldovean>traveler, his xorg use it already : Driver "cirrus"
00:47<traveler>nothing to lose... =)
00:48<woden>Does it matter that this debian is running inside a libvirtd machine?
00:48<moldovean>which one ?
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00:49<craigevil>if he install 'xorg' he already has xserver-xorg-video-cirrus
00:49<woden>moldovean, It's just virt-manager, libvirtd, virsh.
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00:52<moldovean>man qemu
00:52<moldovean>-std-vga use default CL-GD5446 PCI VGA ..
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00:53*moldovean wonder why ppls don't get all useful info when they ask ..
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00:54<woden>What is -std-vga?
00:54<moldovean>standard VGA
00:54<moldovean>Video GrAphic
00:55<moldovean>woden, try ask in #qemu on
00:57<woden>moldovean, #qemu on refers me to my distro support.
00:57<woden>They say its done just as it would be on a real host.
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00:59<moldovean>.. yes, real host using a VGA of ~15 years old ..
01:00<moldovean>woden, try virtualbox, then
01:00<woden>Mint 9 goes to 1024x768 but there is no /etc/X11/xorg.conf
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01:00<moldovean>woden, in qemu ? cool , use it
01:02<woden>It is a bloated mess and sucks up my resources. I need something light for a virtual guest.
01:03<moldovean>qemu is light ? not here , virtualbox yes
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01:05<moldovean>tho not tested KVM
01:06<woden>qemu alone is slow, yea.
01:08<moldovean>tested virtualbox?
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01:09<woden>No I haven't yet. I'm going to install debian with the "desktop" option and see what resolution GNOME gives me.
01:09<woden>My host OS is Fedora and it is geared toward qemu/KVM
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02:57<youknowwho>hi, is there a way I can encode flac to ogg vorbis?
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03:00<xtdlbd|bdlbtx>youknowwho; are you still there?
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03:02<xtdlbd|bdlbtx> This may help. Let me know if it doesn't.
03:02<youknowwho>ok, I'll check it out, thanks!
03:03<jm_>oggenc supports flac
03:05<xtdlbd|bdlbtx>jm_; it's been a million years since we've spoken - you were trying to help me out with a problem with "Squeeze + nVidia" which has recently been remedied... My local fix after two weeks of study and co-workers complaining was to downgrade to Lenny --- all has worked fine since then, but I've still been too cowardly to move back up.
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03:07<jm_>xtdlbd|bdlbtx: yes you mentioned this before, and yes, it has been fixed, very good news - I also figured out why it was failing in the mean time
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03:08<xtdlbd|bdlbtx>jm_; REALLY! Was it because I am superbly dumb, or did something catastrophically incorrect--my money was on that the entire time. I'm going to do some more research and head back to testing SOON... but I think I just may wait for Dec... I mean, I really don't miss it...
03:09<youknowwho>thanks, it seems oggenc is the solution, but how do I install it, do I just install vorbis-tools?
03:09<jm_>xtdlbd|bdlbtx: naah, it was module-assistant - the version in lenny is really bad, the one in squeeze has been rewritten and is much better
03:10<jm_>youknowwho: yes
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03:12<xtdlbd|bdlbtx>jm_; but this was before it was re-written, right?--that I was trying it? I am happily on Lenny now, but want to go beyond Squeeze in Jan, which I believe will be EASY. Thanks for all your help, though. You're the best person in this channel IMOH. 2-3 may be more prestigious than you and even you may think so, but you actually HELP MORE PEOPLE. BY FAR. I've seen it since 2008, and I pay attention to the dumb questions because
03:18<jm_>xtdlbd|bdlbtx: yeah you were using the version from stable - I ran into the same thing when I was switchign my box to amd64 and that's when I figured it out
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03:20<santosh>i want to know about IBM X3550M2 supported by debian
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03:33<youknowwho>thanks for all the information xtdlbd|bdlbtx and jm_, I have the file enconded now!
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03:34<jm_>youknowwho: no worries
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03:45<Guest3000>can anybody help me with a proftpd prob
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03:46<slush>Guest3000: just ask your question
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03:46<Guest3000>If I login on server as anonymous I cant create a directory with mkdir xyz
03:46<Guest3000>it's says 550
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03:46<Guest3000>but I dont find whats wrong in my config
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03:47<Guest3000>umask is 002 for global and Limit Write Read is set to AllowAll
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03:48<Guest3000>slush, can you have a look at the config?
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03:49<slush>if you pastebin it
03:49<Guest3000>here or in query
03:49<sb750sux>SB750 fake raid. I added the 1036 offset to pdc.h in dmraid source. installed. still not seeing my raid? did I do something wrong?
03:49<se7en_>someone any recommedation for a multifunktional printer that works with sid
03:49<thenappy>help me to install os X on my laptop
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03:50<slush>thenappy: this is #debian
03:50<thenappy>i have only ubuntu as system on mine
03:50<Guest3000>thenappy, on which laptop?
03:50<Terminal_Velocity>need linux driver for chipset AMD RS780
03:50<slush>se7en_: I've an Canon Pixma MP140, works fine
03:50<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
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03:51<thenappy>no HP
03:51<thenappy>i got hp
03:51<slush>se7en_: see
03:51<thenappy>i got ubuntu on
03:52<thenappy>so now i want install X os in
03:52<Guest3000>thenappy, you want install OS x or os x style
03:52<thenappy>i want install OS X
03:52<slush>thenappy: we don't support Ubuntu nor OS X here
03:52<thenappy>no i will keep ubuntu
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03:53<thenappy>i just wana try os X
03:53<Guest3000>you want to try os x on hp ...haha :D
03:53<Terminal_Velocity>Ati Radeon HD 4200 graphics drivers for backtrack4? where
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03:53<dpkg>BackTrack is not Debian and is not supported in #debian (ask me about <based on debian>). Try or #backtrack-linux on instead. BackTrack is a Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu> Intrepid (as of BackTrack 4), previously <SLAX>. Derived from merging two penetration-testing distributions: WHAX (formerly WHOPPIX) and Auditor Security Linux.
03:53<se7en_>thanks slush i have been to linuxprinting but i rather ask here because linux changes faster than the web page :)
03:54<thenappy>guest3000, i got HP
03:54<Guest3000>buy macbook or let it be...
03:54<slush>Guest3000: stop enabling him, stick to your problem
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03:54<Guest3000>slush, youre right
03:55<Guest3000>@os x wanter: search after hackintosh and still ask not here :P
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03:56<Guest3000>I think if I paste the whole config here I would be kicked for flood ?
03:56<sb750sux>no dmraid gurus?
03:56<se7en_>and your printer is not even in the
03:56<thenappy>i just wana know if possible to install X Os on my laptop with ubuntu
03:56<thenappy>nothing else
03:56<slush>dpkg: tell Guest3000 about paste
03:57<thenappy>i just wana dev one program
03:57<thenappy>so tks
03:57<Guest3000>official no, inofficial maybe but it's unstable and not supported and it's against apple licence
03:57<Guest3000>question cleard
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03:58<Guest3000> <Limit STOR>
03:58<Guest3000> AllowAll
03:58<Guest3000> </Limit>
03:58<Guest3000> <Limit READ WRITE>
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04:00<Guest3000>sorry read to late :/
04:00<slush>se7en_: hmm, it was before .. I picked it out on basis from that site
04:00<Guest3000>I never heard before of online paste sites
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04:00<slush>Guest3000: at least you learned something today :)
04:01<se7en_>well that is why i rather ask slush :)
04:01<Guest3000>yeah nice tipp :)
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04:05<slush>Guest3000: Is /home/ftp/pub owned by and writable the system's ftp user ?
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04:07<Guest3000>slush: drwxrwxrwx 2 paul 4096 14. Jul 09:17 pub
04:09<Guest3000>slush: I do an restart of proftpd and now it works ...I dont know why but I do :)
04:09<slush>lol :)
04:10<Guest3000>I havent changed since the last start...
04:10<Guest3000>but I have to sy I use testing on this workstation
04:10<slush>you need to restart en relogin after changes, otherwise the session is having the old settings
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04:11<Guest3000>update-rc.d proftpd defaults should work for autostart ?
04:12<slush>check /etc/default/proftpd
04:13<Guest3000>yes its here :)
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04:14<Guest3000>but why is bluetooth in default :P
04:14<slush>I mean, read it
04:15<Guest3000>but a server dont need bluetooth or
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04:16<slush>Guest3000: one thing at a time, don't let yourself get distracted
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04:16<slush>if in /etc/default/proftpd the RUN variable isn't set to "yes", it won't start the daemong
04:19<slush>ok, then it will start at boottime
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04:19<Guest3000>perfect , thanks :)
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04:20<Guest3000>I dont think that I have to reboot but It's nice to have in autostart :=
04:20<slush>indeed, you don't need to reboot for this
04:20<Guest3000>I know it's no windows
04:21<Guest3000>or Ubuntu ...:D
04:22<Guest3000>slush: do you use the gnome enviroment?
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04:24<Guest3000>I dont know if this a bug, but a friend clicked at the audio icon on the panel and removed it. But if I look in "add to panel" I dont find audio? How can I get it back?
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04:25<slush>it's called 'Volume control'
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04:27<Guest3000>Mhh But it was an ubuntu, but I thought debian and ubuntu used the same version of gnome
04:27<Guest3000>I should ask in #ubuntu
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04:43<Guest3000>slush: I found a really good quote for ubuntu :P
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04:43<Guest3000>"a whole generation is convinced, that before a root command have to stand a sudo " :D
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05:03<grummund>Hi, I want to do an OS reinstall, but don't want ssh clients complaining that the server keys have changed...
05:03<llutz>grummund: backup /etc/ssh/
05:03<grummund>is this just a case of backup and restore of /etc/ssh/ssh_host_*
05:04<grummund>i mean restore the whole directory or just those files? ^^
05:05<llutz>grummund: just the keys
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05:10<cipher>i was using apt-get to install a few libraries and it got cut off mid install, now i am getting errors when ever i download anything and i am unable to remove the files as most of them do not even exist yet.
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05:12<se7en_>did you try apt-get install -f cipher
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05:12<cipher>i didnt even know such a flag existed. although i tried remove. reinstall, and clean.
05:13<se7en_>-f = force
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05:14<jm_>it also helps if you mention the exact error (use a pastebin if it's more than 2 lines)
05:16<cipher>didnt work. and i'll pastebin it. although i mainly use debian on my box's, this particular one is running ubuntu. and needless to say their help is not up to par most of the time. anyway just a heads up the repo's are infact for karmic. :P
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05:17<themill>se7en_ cipher: -f is "fix" not "force". There's a very important difference. You can't force apt to do anything... that's the point of it and that's why you should leave those bad rpm habits behind you.
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05:18<se7en_>themill: thanks I keep making that misstake, don't know why
05:19<cipher> (not sure if those arguments make sense, now that i know it means fix not force..)
05:19<themill>se7en_: also, as a general rule, aptitude will do better at digging you out of trouble than apt-get.
05:20<jm_>i'm not going to bother with ubuntu problems
05:22<se7en_>i have not used aptitude since a very long time. I normaly do all my work with apt themill
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05:22<themill>!why aptitude
05:22<dpkg>aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution and will often find a solution where apt-get gives up. It can be used from the command line like apt-get plus an interactive resolver makes it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. It has advanced search capabilities (see <aptitude search>).
05:23<cipher>jm_; it could be a cross platform problem right? plus i use debian on all my new box's now :P
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05:24<se7en_>cipher: cross platform?
05:24<cipher>poor choice of words
05:24<cipher>cross distro*?
05:24<se7en_>the packages you try to install have dependecies that can not be solved
05:25<se7en_>did you mix sources.list?
05:25<cipher>this all happened since i had a power outage while getting these packages..
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05:26<se7en_>you might clean your /var/cache/apt/archives and try to download the packages again
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05:28<se7en_>apt-get clean
05:28<jm_>cipher: yes, or it could be ubuntu package specific issue
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05:28<jm_>but it probably occurs because of power outage
05:28<Guest3000>can anyone have a look ony my debian update script?
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05:29<sb750sux>any dmraid gurus on?
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05:32<cipher>i cleared it, still not working
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05:32<themill>Guest3000: a few general scripting things.... put commands on separate lines so they're easier to read (you don't need ; then) And you can group a set of commands together and then redirect all their output at once rather than doing it for every command. You may also want to reconsider automatically installing packages... Having said all that, why not look at cron-apt? /msg dpkg cron-apt.
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05:35<Guest3000>themill: I dont want to make a line break (I want to do it with ;)
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05:36<Guest3000>but how you mean with group?
05:38<jm_>(cmd1; cmd2; ...) > foo or use exec to redirect stdout to a file
05:38<themill>or {cmd1;cmd2;}>foo to just group rather than using a subshell
05:39<cipher>would deleting the .deb files in /var/cache/apt/archives screw everything up.... :(
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05:40<Guest3000>is foo a programm
05:41<Guest3000>because aptitude dont find it
05:41<jm_>cipher: no, but it will also not help you
05:42*cipher slaps himself
05:42<grummund>Guest3000: foo is the name of the file you want to redirect to
05:42<jm_>at wors you'll have to download them again
05:44<Guest3000>oh sorry, I know also a command line tool which called foo :P
05:44<se7en_>automatic upgrade sounds dangerous to me
05:46<Guest3000>:P just trust debian, it's no ubuntu^^
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05:55<Guest3000>echo "hi,
05:55<Guest3000>echo "dfsds" >foo //is this possible?
05:55<Guest3000>with line break
05:56<jm_>why not read something like ABS?
05:56<dpkg>[abs] The Advanced Bash-Scripting Guide, an in-depth exploration of the art of shell scripting, can be found at . Packaged for Debian as abs-guide in non-free, ask me about <non-free sources>. See also <bash faq>, <bash pitfalls> or ask in #bash on and
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05:56<Guest3000>thanks, never herad of it
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06:26<Str82DHeaD>I have a pretty serious and f**kin' annoying problem
06:27<Str82DHeaD>I have debian router with 3 vlans. Vlan1 is for the local network, vlan2 is mi ISP IP address and vlan3 is for a vpn network.
06:27<Str82DHeaD>for couple of days i have the following problem :
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06:28<Str82DHeaD>some of the computers in the local network can open a web site, hosted on the same router.
06:28<Str82DHeaD>some of them can't!!!
06:28<Str82DHeaD>and all the comp. have internet
06:29<Str82DHeaD>i have dhcp server on that machine, which reserves IP addresses based on the MAC address of computers
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06:30<Str82DHeaD>please tell me what should I do, cause this's driving me crazy
06:30<locklace>can the ones having problems connect to port 80 via telnet (or whatever the webserver port is) successfully, or not
06:30<Str82DHeaD>from those, who can't open the web i can't even ping the IP adress
06:30<Str82DHeaD>meanwhile they have internet
06:31<locklace>ok, so what ip address and netmask does the host have, what address is it trying to ping, and what does the host have set as its default gateway
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06:33<Str82DHeaD>let's say my internal (vlan1) network is with network :
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06:34<Str82DHeaD>and the vlan2 (the ISP's) is IP
06:34<Str82DHeaD>all the computers are set to use dhcp
06:34<Str82DHeaD>and get addresses like this
06:35<Str82DHeaD> /
06:35<Str82DHeaD>and netmask
06:35<Str82DHeaD>and gateway
06:35<Str82DHeaD>dns servers are different machines.
06:35<Str82DHeaD>i mean they are all similar except the IP address
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06:35<locklace>and you're saying a host with address can't even ping
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06:36<Str82DHeaD>no address with host can't ping
06:36<Str82DHeaD>and other with same network
06:36<locklace>what box has the address
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06:37<Str82DHeaD>the router
06:37<Str82DHeaD>it's its external IP
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06:38<locklace>ok. so some kind of forwarding or filtering failure on that box then
06:38<Str82DHeaD>but i can't figure it out
06:38<Str82DHeaD>two days ago everything worked fine
06:38<Str82DHeaD>and now...
06:38<locklace>you need to start doing things like running tcpdump on the inbound interface to see, first, if the icmp packets are even getting there
06:39<Str82DHeaD>i've tried to change IP address on the problematic PC - same difference
06:39<Str82DHeaD>how do I do that?
06:39<locklace>install your favourite sniffer. tcpdump is a simple and robust one, aptitude install tcpdump
06:40<Str82DHeaD>see the IP is accessible from anywhere, except those two machines from the local network
06:40<locklace>then run it with something like "tcpdump -i <local network interface>"
06:40<Str82DHeaD>other 4 machines from the local network can and do access it
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06:41<Str82DHeaD>I do that?
06:41<locklace>what if you swap the ip addresses between a working and non-working host
06:41<locklace>does the problem follow the ip address or stay with the host
06:41<Str82DHeaD>stays with the host
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06:44<locklace>if that's true it suggests something on the host itself might be messed up, start by checking the arp tables
06:45<locklace>check them on both the host and the server
06:45<locklace>and use tcpdump to see what's actually happening during a ping attempt
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06:52<Str82DHeaD>tcpdump says
06:53<Str82DHeaD>13:51:33.145152 IP > ICMP echo reply, id 512, seq 18176, length 40
06:53<Str82DHeaD>and the problem machine gots "request timed out"
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06:54<locklace>make sure the arp entry for on the server is right; if so, next step is running the sniffer (tcpdump or something else) on the host side to see if the icmp echo reply is ever reaching it
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06:55<locklace>the fact that the reply is sent at all means communication in one direction is fine
06:56<Str82DHeaD>how do I check that?
06:56<Str82DHeaD>is there a specific command or...
07:01<Str82DHeaD> ether 00:1A:FF:EF:00:00 C vlan2
07:01<Str82DHeaD>seems OK?
07:01<locklace>only if that's the right mac address for the host in question
07:02<Str82DHeaD>yes it is
07:03<Str82DHeaD>what if it's now
07:03<Str82DHeaD>what if it's not
07:03<Str82DHeaD>how do I change that?
07:03<locklace>you can also add the -e option to tcpdump to see the ethernet header information for each packet
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07:05<locklace>the arp table should be correct automatically as a result of normal arp protocol operation, but if you're having lan communication problems you have to double-check it
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07:06<Str82DHeaD>okay arp is alright
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07:06<Str82DHeaD>i;ve check the mac
07:06<Str82DHeaD>what should i do next
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07:07<Str82DHeaD>the machines are windows OSs
07:07<locklace>ok. so now we know that communication from host->server is fine, but something is going wrong in the server->host direction after server generates the icmp echo response
07:07<Str82DHeaD>there's no tcpdump there
07:08<locklace>and further, we know that it's sending the response to the right mac address because you verified the arp table
07:09<locklace>so you need to find out whether the response ever makes it to the host's ip stack. you need to run tcpdump or equivalen on the host, you can get it for windows too
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07:13<Guest3012>knock knock
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07:15<Str82DHeaD>i was thinking smth...
07:15<Str82DHeaD>practically the requests come from vlan1 (local network)
07:16<Str82DHeaD>and has to be tranferred to vlan2 (external network)
07:16<Str82DHeaD>i was thinking could be a routing table problem?
07:17<Str82DHeaD>and at the same time if it is routing problem why others hosts do connect ?
07:17<locklace>we know the requests get there fine. but, the tcpdump line you pasted shows the reply getting sent out vlan2
07:17<Str82DHeaD>because they're using same table rule...
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07:17<locklace>if vlan2 is not actually the subnet, something is hosed
07:18<locklace>oops, not the tcpdump, the arp entry
07:18<Str82DHeaD>got ya
07:18<locklace>the arp table thinks is in vlan2
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07:22<russo>hey all, i'm about to hang myself. Perl keeps spitting out locales errors, and I'm doing what i've always done. I'm running squeeze and i've done a dpkg-reconfigure locales and set my default locale to en_US.UTF-8, but now perl spits out errors saying that LANGUAGE and LC_ALL are unset
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07:24<russo>anyway its really annoying because i get a screen full of trash before i can checkout anything via git.
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07:33<cthuluh>russo: you have to logout or to export the new value of LANG (and perhaps of LC_ALL)
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07:33<russo>cthuluh: hmm.. i know, but i'm having problems getting one to "set" for LC_ALL
07:34<cthuluh>export LANG=en_US.UTF-8 LC_ALL=en_US.UTF-8
07:35<cthuluh>if with this, you're not set, I can't do anything else :)
07:35<grummund>anyone have an idea how i could tail a log and have the terminal beep each time a new line is written?
07:36<Guest3000>is there an graphical tool for setup raid1
07:36<cthuluh>tail -f log | while read line; do printf '\a'; done
07:37<russo>LANGUAGE = (unset)
07:38<cthuluh>russo: I thought it was LANG, not LANGUAGE
07:39<russo>umm... :P i know i was having issues with LC_ALL just now, i'm trying to figure out what i just changed
07:40<russo>cthuluh: how can i fix language then?
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07:43<russo>cthuluh: yeah, sorry i was mistaken, i meant to say, that i can't set LANGUAGE... the others get set
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07:43<cthuluh>russo: but what is LANGUAGE?
07:43<cthuluh>man perllocale should help, btw
07:44<cthuluh>you didn't say where does LANGUAGE come from ;)
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07:46<russo>cthuluh: i'm afraid to ask now :P
07:46<russo>i'm not getting a manpage for perllocale though
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07:49<cthuluh>check it on the the web if you don't want to install perl-doc
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07:50<russo>cthuluh: what i found so far is that its a gnu setting... maybe i should install minimal, this is a machine installed with debootstrap
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07:51<jm_>check if it's set in /etc/default/locale or maybe /etc/environment
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07:53<russo>cthuluh: just for kicks i changed language and then ran apt-get, and so its clearly being set in the enviorment, just git (perl) isn't seeing it
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07:58<cthuluh>russo: changing language and running apt-get will not do anything to your current shell. try running "su -l yourlogin" or logout/login
07:59<cthuluh>russo: jm_ told you to look for LANGUAGE in your configuration files, did you?
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08:05<pjoshi>My debian server shows there is only 2% inode free available for one of the partition.
08:05<pjoshi>how can I free that..
08:07<pjoshi>any body ?
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08:08<the-dude>pjoshi: I think tune2fs
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08:09<pjoshi>but for that i need to unmount the partition ..
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08:12<the-dude>pjoshi: what filesystem?
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08:16<russo>cthuluh, jm_: /etc/enviorment is empty, /etc/default/locale: LANG=en_US.UTF-8
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08:27<rld>Hi, could someone give me a hand with a fresh Debian squeeze install? I can't even get to the desktop :/
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08:30<jespada>rld, whats the problem?
08:30<rld>I enter my user and password at the graphical login and it just sits there, all I can see is the login background
08:31<rld>I can login both as root and as my user through tty1 though
08:31<jespada>did you install gnome or something like that?
08:32<jespada>try running an update and upgrade
08:32<rld>I did a netinstall and chose the Graphical desktop environment option, so yes
08:32<rld>trying that now, thanks
08:32<jespada>chek it with dpkg -l | grep gnome
08:33<felixs>rld: install xinit and start your X with 'startx' (at least its worth a try)
08:33<jm_>check ~/.xsession-errors and x logfile after you login
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08:33<rld>yes, gnome is in fact installed
08:34<rld>I tried startx but it says that it is already running
08:34<rld>probably because of the graphical login
08:34<felixs>rld: next, install a decent display manager, like xdm
08:34<felixs>rld: startx -- :1
08:35<felixs>rld: (thats because X already active on :0)
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08:35<jespada>hm with gnome is better use gdm
08:35<felixs>jespada: no. its better not to use gnome. :)
08:35<felixs>xdm works without broken bloat-stuff
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08:36<rld>I don't really care which is best, I'd just like to get everything that actually comes with the distro to start running first
08:36<jespada>that's true
08:36<rld>just trying to stop a needless debate here, lol
08:37<rld>upgrade is finishing now, hang on a sec
08:37<rld>nope, same problem
08:37<rld>all I get is the login background
08:37<jespada>after a reboot?
08:38<rld>I'll try that...
08:38<rld>oh, another thing
08:38<rld>on GRUB I have 4 options total
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08:38<rld>hang on a sec...
08:39<jespada>also take a look on /var/log/Xorg.0.log
08:39<rld>the options I have on GRUB are 2.6.32-trunk-686 and 2.6.32-5-686, and recovery mode entries for both
08:39<rld>I'm kind of confused here...
08:40<babilen>rld: jm_ has already pointed out to check ~/.xsession-errors and /var/log/Xorg.0.log - and you don't want the -trunk- kernel. Just remove it
08:40<felixs>rld: with squeeze you may want to use the -5- kernel iirc
08:40<rld>I'm not sure what I want, I was just asking which I should use hehe
08:41<rld>wouldn't make much sense to get everything running using the wrong kernel, really
08:41<babilen>rld: The -trunk- kernel should have never made it to squeeze and you can safely remove it. ("/msg dpkg trunk" for further information if needed)
08:41<rld>rebooted, same problem...I'll chck those files now
08:41<russo>cthuluh: anyway like i said, i used to *JUST* do a dpkg-reconfigure locales, set the default locale to en_US.UTF-8 and be all set. Mutt would work with cyrllics (utf8) and I would use git no sweat... (i have the exact same settings on a lenny machine)
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08:42<babilen>rld: The login manager (e.g. gdm, xdm, kdm, slim, ..) is coming up without problem?
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08:42<rld>.xsession-errors has one line: "/etc/gdm3/xsession: Beginning session setup..."
08:42<rld>babilen: yes
08:43<babilen>gdm3 might be the culprit - not sure if it is stable enough yet - you might want to try a different login manager and check the bug reports for gdm3
08:43<jespada>you are using gnome3 ?
08:43<felixs>rld: i onve had problems with X logins, when /bin/sh pointed to dash. maybe worth a check
08:43<rld>I am not sure, really. I just installed testing using a netinstall yesterday
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08:44<rld>felixs: could you explain that a bit for me?
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08:45<babilen>rld: You can select different sessions in gdm, which one do you select? Could you install a small window manager like fluxbox and try running that?
08:45<felixs>rld: dash is going to replace bash in debian (i understand). but some things just break when left to dash
08:46<jm_>replace as /bin/sh not in general
08:46<rld>babilen: I think just the default session, and I don't know if I had any other options....I'd have to reboot to check
08:46<felixs>jm_: yes. sh, not bash
08:46<felixs>rld: ls -l /bin/sh
08:46<rld>yes, it says dash
08:46<babilen>rld: Can't you switch to tty1 and run "service gdm3 restart" ?
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08:47<rld>ah, that did it
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08:47<rld>back at the login screen
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08:47<babilen>rld: Ok, which session is selected?
08:47<rld>I can't choose any session...all I see is the login screen, date, accessibility options, and shutdown/restart/etc
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08:48<jespada>but when you put your user name it allowed you to choose the session
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08:48<rld>system default
08:48<rld>the other is TWM
08:48<babilen>rld: I have absolutely no experience with gdm3, but I would expect it to have some ways to choose the desktop environment/window manager you want to start. (The "old" gdm had a "Session" button to select them)
08:49<babilen>whatever might be the system default :)
08:49<jm_>try twm :)
08:49<rld>Nope, same problem...
08:49<jm_>then just switch to a different DM
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08:50<jm_>unless it's an X problem (Xorg.0.log will reveal it)
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08:50<rld>wow, I'd never expect to have all these problems from a fresh install :(
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08:51<rld>I think I have a lenny netinstall cd hanging around somewhere, should I just use that?
08:52<babilen>rld: What is the output of "update-alternatives --show x-session-manager" ? -- You are using an unstable installer ... bugs *might* happen ..
08:52<babilen>rld: And I would strongly recommend trying a different login manager (e.g. gdm) as well ...
08:53<babilen>rld: But the fact that you can't even login to twm provides evidence that the problem might be elsewhere ... Do you see errors/warnings (EE/WW) in /var/log/Xorg.0.log?
08:53<rld>hang on a sec
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08:55<rld>there are three WWs: "The directory "usr/share/fonts/X11/cyrillic" does not exist" , "Falling back to old probe method for vesa" and " Falling back to old probe method for fbdev"
08:55<rld>no errors
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08:57<babilen>rld: and which session is the default one? (the update-alternatives command) -- we could configure your graphic card to rule out problems with that .... It might be that you start a gnome3 session, but that composite is not available with your setup
08:57<babilen>rld: paste "lspci -nn|grep -i vga" in here
08:58<rld>I'm typing everything from a netbook running Windows, I doubt I can paste it here :/
08:58<rld>it's an 8600GT
08:58<babilen>rld: Could you also paste your Xorg.0.log? As you don't have X you might want to install pastebinit and run "pastebinit -b /var/log/Xorg.0.log" and give us the link
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08:59<rld>whoa, I just did aptitude install pastebinit and it's telling me that there are 514 packages to this normal?
09:00<babilen>rld: not necessarily - most likely a problem with some meta packages ... (like "gnome") that are removed along with their dependencies
09:00<babilen>lots of GNOME stuff?
09:00<babilen>!install gnome
09:00<dpkg>To install GNOME: install the 'gnome' package to install everything, the 'gnome-desktop-environment' package for slightly less stuff, or the 'gnome-core' package for even less. You will need X installed as well, ask me about <install x>.
09:01<rld>even when I did install it from the installer...jeez
09:01<babilen>rld: You might want to run "aptitude unmarkauto pkg1 pkg2 ... pkgN" with pkg1 == gnome-desktop-environment
09:01<babilen>but honestly ...
09:02<babilen>I would just install Lenny and upgrade to squeeze ...
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09:02<babilen>don't choose any tasks and just install what you need (by running e.g. "aptitude install gnome-core" after you've installed the base system)
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09:03<rld>wait, shouldn't I just do that with squeeze?
09:03<rld>also, there was one task that came pre-selected in the installer...I think it was "System utilities" or something like that
09:03<rld>should I deselect that as well?
09:04<babilen>Or just let aptitude remove those packages and reinstall gdm and gnome-core/gnome-desktop-environment ... Make sure that gnome-session (*not* gnome3-session) is selected as default in the alternatives system - update-alternatives --show/--config x-session-manager
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09:05<rld>update-alternatives: unknown option `--show`
09:06<babilen>rld: I typically start out with the base system and just install what I need or want - tastes differ. The main problem I have with selecting the "Desktop" task is that it installs the "gnome" metapackage which leads to the behaviour you just experienced ... You can solve this by running "aptitude unmarkauto pkg1 ... pkgN" for all (meta-) packages you want to keep
09:06<babilen>rld: show == display :)
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09:07<rld>unknown argument `x-session-manager`
09:07<rld>yeah, I think it's best if I install everything from scratch
09:07<rld>who knows what else could be broken in this installation...
09:07<babilen>rld: "update-alternatives --display x-session-manager" ?
09:08<rld>no alternatives, it say
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09:09<babilen>no "link currently points to" ? What is the output of "ls -l /etc/alternatives/x-session-manager" ?
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09:09<rld>no such file or directory...I'm sure I typed it correctly
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09:10<themill>"readlink -f /usr/bin/x-session-manager" ftw
09:10<rld>x-window-manager is the closest match
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09:10<babilen>themill: yep!
09:11<rld>no x-session-manager in /usr/bin either...
09:11<rld>I'm getting the feeling something didn't go right during the install, lol
09:12<babilen>... i rather get the feeling that *your* squeeze system differs significantly from *mine* :) -- which also means that I am unfamiliar with the "new" (and maybe broken) ways of a recent squeeze installation :)
09:13<rld>I'm not having good luck with Linux distros recently, first Fedora 13 kept locking up on me, forcing to reboot, and now this...:P
09:13<babilen>rld: Do you have gnome3-session installed? What about gnome-session?
09:14<rld>I don't think so
09:14<babilen>check it ;)
09:14<rld>listen, I'll just install a base squeeze system and install everything myself from there
09:15<rld>every time I apt-get install anything it asks to install or remove lots of packages...I'd rather have a clean install
09:15<babilen>!why aptitude
09:15<dpkg>aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution and will often find a solution where apt-get gives up. It can be used from the command line like apt-get plus an interactive resolver makes it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. It has advanced search capabilities (see <aptitude search>).
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09:16<rld>well, why is apt-get there in the first place? lol
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09:16<felixs>you guys keep forgetting about !why not aptitude ...
09:16<babilen>felixs: No don't mention it intentionally :)
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09:17<rld>anyway, thanks everyone...l'll start installing squeeze again then...major PITA, lol
09:18<rld>time, mostly
09:18<rld>took about 2:30 hours to download everything
09:18<felixs>rld: once you got rid of all the gnome stuff, you system should work. even without reinstall
09:18<rld>I fell asleep yesterday when it was downloading, I finished the installation this morning haha
09:19<Zathraz>squeeze runs fine apart from some grub misery
09:19<felixs>s/u\ s/ur s/
09:19<Zathraz>inc. squeeze + gnome
09:19<rld>is there a way to remove everything gnome related in one command?
09:19<Zathraz>remove gnome meta-package will probably do the trick
09:20<Zathraz>put I personally would purge, not remove
09:20<Zathraz>(stop gdm first btw)
09:20<moldovean>!remove gnome
09:20<dpkg>To remove or purge GNOME 2.x: aptitude remove ~nlibgnome ~nlibbonobo2 ~nliborbit2 ~nlibgnomeui ~nlibgnomevfs2. Use 'purge' instead of 'remove' if that's what you want (ask me about <purge>).
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09:22<rld>I entered that command and it's asking me to accept an alternate solution
09:22<rld>it says that there are several packages which will have unresolved dependencies
09:23<rld>hm, I'd rather just have a clean system from scratch
09:23<rld>I'll just install the base system and see where I go from there then
09:24<rld>I might even install KDE since that's what they use at my uni, hehe
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09:26<rld>thanks again to anyone that helped :)
09:26<FascinioBR>bom dia preciso traduzir meu debian lenny amd64 alguem podi me ajudar ?
09:26<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
09:26<rld>should I install KDE from the CD installer or should I install it myself?
09:27<babilen>rld: I would install it manually - start with a base system and pick what you want/need
09:27<rld>I thought so...thanks
09:27<rld>would that be "Install" or "Expert install"?
09:27<babilen>that is "post install" - but I always choose the "Expert Install" anyway ...
09:28<rld>well, I'm no expert but I want to learn...I'll try Expert install this time :P
09:28<babilen>Just ask if you have questions ...
09:28<rld>will do, thanks :)
09:29<babilen>rld: But could you run "aptitude search ~ngnome~nsession and tell me if either gnome-session and/or gnome3-session is installed?
09:29<babilen>... just curious
09:29<rld>already running the CD installer :/
09:29<babilen>ah well ...
09:29<rld>I haven't partitioned anything yet, I could just abort
09:29<babilen>no, just continue ...
09:30<rld>too late lol
09:30<rld>just rebooted
09:30<rld>It's the least I can do for getting free support, hehe
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09:31<rld>okay, this time not even the graphic login appeared
09:31<rld>and startx just shows a black screen with a cursor...probably because there's no DE installed?
09:32<babilen>have you removed those packages?
09:32<rld>I'm not sure, really
09:33<rld>I guess a clean install is the best solution after all
09:33<babilen>well - do that
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09:44<michal>Hi. What iscsi target package would you recommend ?
09:47<bighornram>I'm having an ongoing issue when trying to burn a dvd+R. CD/DVD Creator reports a new disk as having 18.5 MB of free space so it fails to burn. How can I troubleshoot this? I can burn CD's fine.
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09:55<killadaninja>Can someone help me with some networking
09:56<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
09:56<killadaninja>I know, i`ts better to just ask dpkg but I will actually need 5 minutes of someones time?
09:57<babilen>the answer to your question is yes -- but that won't help you a lot :)
09:57<Guest3000>microsoft comes with windows 7 mobile :-D
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09:58<babilen>killadaninja: Just explain your problem and what you actually expect to happen -- somebody will answer if he/she has a clue :)
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09:59<killadaninja>Basically I had a fonera router, for some reason even over the wire it`s not showing me admin page, basically I am unsure what it`s address is now, ANYWAY wireless is on and its transmitting, however the router is setup to gain an address via dhcp
09:59<bighornram>I have a problem with CD/DVD burner reporting only 18.5 MB free space available on a new blank DVD. I'm running Debian squeeze updated today. When I try to burn a dvd it fails. I also can't use Nero 4, it fails. I can burn CD's.
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10:00<killadaninja>Now my problem is I just need a little help masquarading a connection from a wnic, (wlan0) to eth0
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10:01<killadaninja>If i succeed in doing this then I can just connect to the router with a next computer and sign in to it from there.
10:01<killadaninja>I am not asking to be spoon fed, well actually I am i have tried for a couple hours now on my own
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10:03<Guest3000>killadaninja: I know this problem too!
10:04<killadaninja>you understand my predeciment, basically the only way I am going to sign onto the router is by getting dhcp to it
10:06<Guest3000>I have nearly the same problem: router <- laptop wlan0 <- desktop eth0
10:06<killadaninja>so it then will throw out a lease, to which i can connect on another computer
10:07<killadaninja>Its a fonera router
10:07<killadaninja>running jasager
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10:08<Guest3000>If I tried last time it was too difficult. The Laptop is a MacBook and the PC was a FreeBSD machine, now my desktop is running with debian and I will try again
10:09<Guest3000>The Desktop dont came out in the internet
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10:09<Guest3000>No, he came out, but I wasnt able to receive the answer from router
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10:12<babilen>killadaninja: and you can't just plug in a ethernet cable and receive a lease from said router?
10:12<babilen>but how is this related to debian? wouldn't ##networking on freenode be a better place to ask?
10:13<babilen>killadaninja: tried a broadcast ping to get its address?
10:13<killadaninja>TY babilen, no the problem gets a lil complicated, ty for pointing me toward the right place
10:13<babilen>.. ##networking on
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10:18<[HOP]Durk>Does Debian suppert the mainboard: Epia-m 10000?
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10:19<[HOP]Durk>because i'm like now 3 hours busy installing, and "Installing The base system" just moved from 30% to 31%
10:19<[HOP]Durk>but it takes sooo long, so i tought maby it isn't supported..
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10:20<[HOP]Durk>It is Debian Lenny
10:21<bighornram>How can I determine if I am having a hardware issue or driver issue with my MATSHITA DVD+-RW UJ-857G (H:3 T:0) drive.
10:21<[HOP]Durk>What is the problem?
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10:25<[HOP]Durk>Somebody knows the answer on my question? i'm installing the 1368 version
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10:27<kop>[HOP]Durk: I don't know. You might try the kmuto installer and see if that helps (if your hardware is newer.)
10:27<dpkg>For Debian Lenny installers with up-to-date kernels, see . The <bnx2> and <bnx2x> firmware files for Linux 2.6.32 are included in 0116 images.
10:27<kop>[HOP]Durk: You will also then need a newer kernel from after install.
10:28<[HOP]Durk>and a newer kernel how to install?
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10:28<[HOP]Durk>I'm not that long using debian
10:28<Zathraz>[HOP]Durk, Epia is supported afaik. I have it running on an 12000. Same family. Started with Etch, now on Squeeze
10:29<Zathraz>should finish quite fast.
10:30<[HOP]Durk>My install still 31% and started at 13:00
10:30<[HOP]Durk>thats like 3:30 hours..
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10:30<Zathraz>this motherboard has been around many years isn't it?
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10:31<Zathraz>strange: should either give an error or should finish way faster
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10:31<[HOP]Durk>No idea when the mainboard was released, but, i bought him today, from a friend
10:32<kop>[HOP]Durk: Funky bios settings?
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10:32<kop>[HOP]Durk: You could also check the logs on alt-f3 or some such.
10:32<[HOP]Durk>I dont see any problems in the bios
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10:33<[HOP]Durk>Where is that log placed?
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10:34<zedboy>hmm, all of a sudden X seems to be picking the VESA driver rather than the nv driver, which means the odd display mode i need doesn't fly...
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10:44<[HOP]Durk>Found Syslog, how to open that file?
10:45<[HOP]Durk>Hmm alt-f4 shows me that he _is_ doing something, but only starting pid's
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10:48<Zathraz>[HOP]Durk, : less /var/log/syslog
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10:48<Zathraz>or use more instead of less if it is not installed
10:49<Zathraz>all logs are in /var/log
10:49<[HOP]Durk>"Permission Denied"
10:49<Zathraz>relavant might be: dmesg, syslog, messages
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10:49<Zathraz>the assumption is you are root....
10:50<Zathraz>check with "whoami"
10:50<[HOP]Durk>It's in BusyBox
10:50<[HOP]Durk>i'm busy with installing it
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10:51<[HOP]Durk>but Alt-f4 shows me that he is doing something, but each thing takes like 5 minutes
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10:54<[HOP]Durk>bleh i think i just restart it, en reset the bios, en try that.
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11:15<Zathraz>[HOP]Durk, are you installing over the internet with a very very very slow connection?
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11:26<ryanakca>Is there a small DNS server that serves different records based on the IP by which it is accessed? What I'm trying to do is setup my laptop so that it accesses work's apt-cache when I'm on work's network and when I'm at home. The best way I've thought of is having a DNS server on my laptop that serves the alias apt.repo.localdomain -> apt.workdomain.tld when accessed at and apt.repo.localdomain -> when accessed at ...
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11:28<jordanm>bind9 allows for different configurations based on what networks access it. by no means "small" though
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11:31<cthuluh>ryanakca: that's a weird way of solving your problem :)
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11:34<cthuluh>I'd rather execute a script on boot, which writes a file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/. the file would be deleted when you are at home
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11:35<felixs>ryanakca: better put 'search some.domain' into your resolvconf, depending on where you are.
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11:35<felixs>ryanakca: in /etc/network/interfaces that would be "dns-search somedomain"
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11:47<ryanakca>cthuluh, felixs: thanks
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11:48<ryanakca>felixs: search some.domain being what? How would that provide apt with my mirror?
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11:52<felixs>ryanakca: "search somedomain" makes ftp resolve as ftp.somedomain
11:53<felixs>you can either put 'search' into resolv.conf (at home...) and then use 'ftp' as your debian mirror
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11:55<felixs>or better yet, put 'search home', search 'work' respectively into resolv.conf and have a dns server resolve debianmirror.home and to the desired hosts
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12:00<witte>hello, I noticed today a very large (942 packages, >1GB packages) update for squeeze. Is there anything special that happened as my system was updated yesterday.
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12:04<dpkg>[apt-listchanges] a package that shows you the NEWS.Debian and/or the Debian changelogs for packages before upgrading them. It is well worth it for stable users, to see what is happening to their machines as they apply security fixes. It should be made _mandatory_ for users of testing and unstable. Also ask me about <d-d-a>, <apt-listbugs>.
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12:11<ryanakca>felixs: Thanks
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12:25<jentaru12>how is learn programming
12:25<root54545>my name is ahmed
12:26<jentaru12>my name is ebrar not girl
12:26<root54545>you wellcome
12:26<witte>jordanm: if that was for me, apt-listchanges is installed (i think) and apt-listbugs as well
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12:26<root54545>where u from
12:26<locklace>root54545: kind of surprised you even get internet there
12:26<root54545>iam from iraq
12:26<jentaru12>ı'm from turkey
12:27<witte>I have the following as output during install:
12:27<root54545>do u have some info about metaspoliot
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12:28<jentaru12>where are you from?
12:28<root54545>not iran
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12:30<jentaru12>what is your job
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12:35<jentaru12>how is learn programming?
12:37<witte>ah, my mistake, ignore my previous comments, I was logged in to another pc which i did not update for a long time, probably that is the problem....
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12:45<hopper>hey ya'll, can someone tell me if I can download a debian squeeze/sid .iso with the latest kernel verison?
12:45<retrospectacus>!sid iso
12:45<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, sid iso is a BAD idea. Taking an unsupported snapshot of an unstable system and expecting it to work? Well, hell. You pays your $0 and you takes your chances. You get to keep the pieces and we get to laugh at you. . See also <install sid>.
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12:46<hopper>ok, then squeeze?
12:46<dpkg>netinst is, like, a small CD image with which you can install Debian. If, during the installation process you have a working Internet connection, you can install more packages straight away, otherwise, you will have a base install and more packages later. See See also <check iso image>, <dialup install>, <usb install>, <installer>.
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12:46<hopper>got it, thanx
12:47<witte>hopper: if you only need debian with a new kernel, look at kmuto's page
12:48<witte>!tell hopper about kmuto
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13:40<troulouliou>Hi i m trying sane for the first time but when i plug my canon pixma scanner i have a message "access to ressource is denied"
13:40<troulouliou>does anybody have an idea ?
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13:42<slush>you need to be a member of the proper group
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13:43<sylar>when I do: pkill -HUP -x tor
13:43<sylar>sorry wrong channel
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13:45<slush>troulouliou: the proper group would be 'scanner'
13:45<troulouliou>skush: yes a have added my user o scanner
13:45<troulouliou>slush: yes it is
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13:45<retrospectacus>re-logged your user after?
13:45<jordanm>troulouliou: you have to relog after adding
13:46<troulouliou>jordanm: rebooted :)
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13:46<troulouliou>in fact i do not have any sane rule in udev
13:46<jordanm>perhaps it also need plugdev group if its usb?
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13:47<slush>troulouliou: lenny or squeeze?
13:47<troulouliou>slush: squeeze
13:47<troulouliou>and i m part of plugdev
13:48<slush>troulouliou: plug you device in, check in syslog which /dev/ is used and check the permissions on that /dev
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13:48<troulouliou>nice idea :) thanks
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13:52<troulouliou>slush: i suposed it is this one scsi 7:0:0:0: Direct-Access Canon MP260 series 0102 PQ: 0 ANSI: 2
13:52<troulouliou>but i d'ont know how to find the /dev mount point
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13:55<troulouliou>mm ok i found a group called saned in /ec/group , must be that
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14:06<locklace>!ops k-line time
14:06<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: locklace complains about: k-line time
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14:12<jordanm>whoa, epic spam
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14:14<acimmarusti>hey guys. When I run powertop to maximize my power savings while on battery, it always advices me to force enable HPET since it's not in my BIOS. I've heard, however, that some chipsets don't work well with it. I have AMD/ATI IXP SB400, any thoughts?
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14:14<troulouliou>hi , what are the right nedded to scan a document on Debian , i m part of scanner , saned but nothing helps
14:14<retrospectacus>pointless spam... didn't even have any phishing urls and junk
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14:22<jaleks>should i file a bug to apt if the error translation does not give me the hint how to solve the problem, like the original error message does?
14:23<felixs>troulouliou: depends which group the scanner device node belongs to
14:24<troulouliou>felixs: how can i found that
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14:24<troulouliou>furthermore , i o not have any udev rules
14:24<felixs>what sort of scanner do you have?
14:25<felixs>(scanning as root works, i assume)
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14:25<jaleks>uh, and how do i "increase the size of APT::Cache-Limit"? `man 5 apt.conf` does not make me really happy?
14:25<retrospectacus>have you googled your scanner model + linux
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14:27<felixs>jaleks: echo APT::Cache-Limit\ hugenumber; > /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/123something
14:28<troulouliou>yes a lot of person have that problem
14:28<troulouliou>it llfelixs: yes
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14:28<troulouliou>felixs: yes as root it works
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14:29<felixs>troulouliou: so you should be able to list devices. scanimage -L or something
14:29<troulouliou>felixs: it looks like a udev rule is needed to not give access to root only
14:29<felixs>troulouliou: yes, first you have to find out the device node.
14:29<troulouliou>felixs: yes device `pixma:04A91733_8102A2' is a CANON Canon PIXMA MP260 multi-function peripheral
14:29<felixs>the do udevadm --attribute-walk /dev/yourscanner
14:30<felixs>then make up an udev rule based on the information you get
14:30<troulouliou>but was is the dev node ?
14:30<troulouliou>pixma:04A91733_8102A2 ?
14:30<felixs>troulouliou: good question indeed...
14:31<felixs>troulouliou: if it is a usb device, the node is in /dev/bus/usb/00X/uuY
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14:33<troulouliou>felixs: and all the others thanks for your explanations and time
14:33<troulouliou>i think i understand
14:33<troulouliou>as the scanner is a combo printer - scaner
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14:34<troulouliou>the right are given to the lp group
14:34<troulouliou>and not scanner
14:34<cahoot>troulouliou: groups <user> confirms user is in scannergroup?
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14:35<troulouliou>yes im in saned ans scanner group but not in lp
14:35<troulouliou>i think this is it
14:35<felixs>troulouliou: addgroup scanprint, add all the (wanted) users into that group, and hand the devicenode to that group
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14:50<djdarkman>Hi, is there a way to make Ralink work? I reinstalled Debian on another machine, and my ethernet does not work and I didn't find any way to fix it
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14:53<dpkg>[rtl8168d] The RealTek RTL8168D Ethernet controller is supported by <r8169> since Linux 2.6.31. v1 is supported since linux-2.6 2.6.26-21, ask me about <5.0.4>. As of linux-2.6 2.6.32~rc8-1~experimental.1, firmware for v1 and v2 was removed; not packaged due to no clear redistribution permission (BTS #561309, #564628). Both versions can operate without userspace firmware as of linux-2.6 2.6.32-3.
14:53<castellano>como se pone la almuadilla
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14:54<djdarkman>I have 2.6.32 but it does not work
14:54<locklace>!doesn't work
14:54<dpkg>Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions> and <errors>.
14:54<zumbi>dpkg: tell castellano about es
14:54<zumbi>castellano, AltGr+3
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14:57<djdarkman>doesn't work: I can't do anything with that ethernet card, I can't even connect to router
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14:58<djdarkman>and it does not give no error messages
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14:58<djdarkman>except that kernel warning
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15:03<chealer>djdarkman: that's pretty vague
15:03<troulouliou>Hi , could anybody point me to a good doc fully explaing the process and the configuration of UDEV/HAL/DBUS/ thanks
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15:04<jordanm>troulouliou: man udev, and the others typically do not require configuration
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15:05<jordanm>I believe the site does have some examples of HAL fdi files, but AFAIK they were deprecated when xorg deprecated hal
15:05<troulouliou>jordanm: i have had one to configure automount in /etc/hal/policies
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15:05<djdarkman>ok, then tell me how can I get a more specific description? all I can do is read log messages, I'm not a kernel hacker, I would copy paste the dmesg output, if I could, but since I can't use my ethernet, this is impossible
15:07<troulouliou>djdarkman: can you repeat your problem ?
15:07<jaleks>k, doubling my cache-limit saved my dist-upgrade, like it seems, thx
15:07<jaleks>although apt-get only ssems to have enough cache when started with a `LANG=en apt-get update`, my standard language (de_DE) still keeps on stating "E: Na so was, Sie haben die Anzahl an Beschreibungen überschritten, mit denen APT umgehen kann." which is not useful at all - and that although limit is 5 times higher than before...
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15:09<jaleks>apt-get install hal-doc, troulouliou?
15:09<djdarkman>firmware: requesting rtl8168d-2.fw
15:09<djdarkman>eth0 link down
15:09<djdarkman>this is what dmesg spits out
15:10<s3a>I'm on a live cd trying to rescue my debian lvm system and i mounted my lvm2 partitions and can access them but i cant chroot into it, could someone please help me? (I am doing:
15:10<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
15:10<s3a>djbclark, maybe u need to do apt-get install firmware-ralink ?
15:11<s3a>djdarkman, not djbclark sry
15:11<s3a>and reboot
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15:11<s3a>ville, my problem is that i can't chroot into my lvm partition
15:11<djdarkman>well s3a, I would love to if my network card would work to begin with, but I copied it over with an USB drive anyway, but it didn't work
15:11<djdarkman>still same error
15:11<djdarkman>still can't do anything with that ethernet card
15:11<s3a>djdarkman, did u reboot?\
15:12<s3a>djdarkman, the dependencies and everythign were well satisfied?
15:13<bossekr>hi folks; whould like to mount a NFS exprted directory for root access... configuration@
15:13<djdarkman>yes, I also searched for that specific fw file, but it is nowhere to be foundj
15:13<s3a>djdarkman, try the firmware-linux-nonfree package
15:13<djdarkman>already tried
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15:14<s3a>djdarkman, ur on squeeze?
15:14<bossekr>I have a problem with my NFS server configuration for root access; configuration@
15:14<djdarkman>yes, I used the latest weekly image 20100628
15:15<s3a>djdarkman, did it work in lenny?
15:15<djdarkman>it worked in lenny, and it worked in squeeze when I used an older image
15:15<jordanm>,versions nfs-common
15:15<judd>nfs-common -- etch: 1:1.0.10-6+etch.1; lenny: 1:1.1.2-6lenny2; lenny-backports: 1:1.2.2-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 1:1.2.2-1; sid: 1:1.2.2-2
15:15<djdarkman>(alpha 1 maybe)
15:16<djdarkman>is there an install cd/dvd which included all the evil firmware?
15:17<bossekr>judd, I'm working with testing/squeeze on the server and try to update the client using the same /var/cache/apt/archive at the server by mout it from the client but root access fails
15:18<s3a>djdarkman, well a temporary fix would be to run a pre-2.6.32 kernel but i cant seem to solve your issue
15:18<djdarkman>ok, well thanks anyway
15:18<s3a>it's because the devs are removing the proprietary parts of the kernel out
15:19<s3a>can someone help me chroot into my lvm partition, it says "chroot: cannot run command `/bin/bash': Exec format error"
15:19<craigevil>djdarkman: the kmuto installer
15:20<bossekr>s3a, check your mount options, maybe no_exec is set?
15:20<s3a>bossekr, i don't know what no_exec other than what the name suggests
15:20<s3a>what no_exec is*
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15:20<s3a>bossekr, how do i do that?
15:21<chealer>djdarkman: 1. Ralink is a company, not a product. 2. Explain what you mean by "work". 3. Show the warning.
15:21<bossekr>sudo mount|grep noexec
15:21<bossekr>s3a, sudo mount|grep noexec and check if your mount point/directory where you intend to chroot appears
15:22<s3a>bossekr, you mean /mnt/debian-root ?
15:22<bossekr>s3a, yes
15:23<s3a>i don't see it;
15:23<bossekr>s3a, can I see the complete sudo mount please
15:23<felixs>s3a: /bin/bash compiled for another architecture?
15:24<felixs>(what would the errormessage be in that case?)
15:24<s3a>bossekr, i showed it all i just dint paste the sudo word
15:24<djdarkman>chealer: sorry I have no way of knowing which is the company which is the product, it's all one string, I don't know what to explain in this, I can see it with ifconfig, network manager doesn't seem to notice it, dhcp does not work
15:25<djdarkman>[22:11] <djdarkman> firmware: requesting rtl8168d-2.fw
15:25<djdarkman>[22:11] <djdarkman> eth0 link down
15:25<bossekr>s3a, ?
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15:26<s3a>djdarkman, what you need is probly one of these:§ion=all
15:26<felixs>djdarkman: last time i had trouble with firmware loading was because udev changes very quickly. make sure your udev fits the kernel version
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15:27<djdarkman>I tried firmware-ralink, and firmware-linux-nonfree
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15:28<bossekr>s3a, sorry without grep noexec
15:28<s3a>bossekr, so sudo mount| ?
15:28<bossekr>s3a, simply sudo mount [ENTER]
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15:32<bossekr>s3a, mount seams to be ok; could you try an different program, e.g. chroot /mnt/debian-root /bin/ls
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15:33<s3a>bossekr, chroot: cannot run command `/bin/ls': Exec format error
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15:34<jaleks>oh dear, my cache won't even work if cache-limit is set to thousadn * standard, well, lets see how reportbug works...
15:35<bossekr>s3a, please pastebin the output of $ objdump -p /mnt/debian-root/bin/ls
15:36<bossekr>s3a, and $ objdump -p /bin/ls
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15:39<s3a>bossekr, and
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15:42<bossekr>s3a, could you please pastebin the output of $ cat /proc/version
15:45<bossekr>s3a, ok I thing the problem is incompatible version of the kernel version with your chroot environment; you have to start an 64bin Linux version to execeute your 64bin chroot environment
15:45<s3a>bossekr, o that makes sense
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15:45<s3a>bossekr, the problem is i dont have a 64 bit live cd
15:46<bossekr>s3a, check line 3 from the previous to pastbin outputs; the architecture
15:46<s3a>previous what
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15:47<s3a>bossekr, i got an idea; if i install debian 64bit on my flash drive then i can use that instead of a live cd right?
15:47<bossekr>s3a, get your 64bin live cd from here
15:47<bossekr>s3a, if you are able to setup the boot loader for your flash drive you will succeed anyway ;-)
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15:49<bossekr>s3a, why do you intent to switch to 64bit ? for education purposes it is ok
15:49<s3a>bossekr, i am a 64 bit debian user, its just my ubuntu discs are 32 bit
15:49<s3a>plus i have 4gb ram
15:50<bossekr>s3a, and go ahead; if you intent you use your 4gb switch to -bigmem linux edition (which uses the PAE; physical address extension) and you have the whole 4gig in 32bit Mode (an old Pentium Pro feature ;-)
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15:52<s3a>bossekr, ya i no bout that but why go 32bit when 64bit works very well?
15:54<bossekr>s3a, have fun with 64bit :-) it does not matter
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15:56<s3a>bossekr, :)
15:56<s3a>bossekr, k so thanks and im going to reboot now
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15:59<bufaloo>y para cuando sale debian 6
16:00<bufaloo>la final
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16:00<jaleks>does `apt-get dist-upgrade -dy` also only download the packages, like normal upgrade -d ?
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16:12<jaleks>how often are the squeeze jigdo-files updated? just wondering why the dvds which where finished today are hardly used in gathering packages by my upgrade from lenny?
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16:14<Blogmong>spam brought to you by the GNAA :) #GNAA for complaints
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16:15<ivest_Nw>spam brought to you by the GNAA :) #GNAA for complaints
16:15<ivest_Nw>spam brought to you by the GNAA :) #GNAA for complaints
16:15<aidsblog>spam brought to you by the GNAA :) #GNAA for complaints
16:15<ivest_Nw>spam brought to you by the GNAA :) #GNAA for complaints
16:15<ivest_Nw>spam brought to you by the GNAA :) #GNAA for complaints
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16:15<aidsblog>spam brought to you by the GNAA :) #GNAA for complaints
16:15<ivest_Nw>spam brought to you by the GNAA :) #GNAA for complaints
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16:15<oroDeath>spam brought to you by the GNAA :) #GNAA for complaints
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16:15<Market_g>spam brought to you by the GNAA :) #GNAA for complaints
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16:15<aidsblog>spam brought to you by the GNAA :) #GNAA for complaints
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16:15<crackHit>spam brought to you by the GNAA :) #GNAA for complaints
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16:16<goudajay>spam brought to you by the GNAA :) #GNAA for complaints
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16:16<craigevil>!ops spam flood
16:16<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: craigevil complains about: spam flood
16:16<@Ganneff>we know
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16:23<calum>Hello, I am having another strange problem. After a while of use on Debian Lenny on my desktop, my USB mouse freezes permanently
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16:24<calum>I can't figure out why my mouse freezes randomly, anyone else having / had the same issue?
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16:27<dkr>maybe xorg is configured to use the wrong device file. e.g. one of the ones that aggregates usb input events instead of just the one mouse
16:27<dkr>so when some other usb device has events it messes up the x mouse driver
16:27<calum>How can I tell if xorg is causing this?
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16:28<edbian>Does emacs have an html viewer?
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16:28<Lethalman>edbian, I know it has a pdf viewer :P
16:29<dkr>calum: /var/log/Xorg.0.log can show you what device is bveing used. and might have some errors actually at the end when your mouse 'freezes"
16:29<Lethalman>I was so surprised when I wrongly opened a pdf file and it showed up lol
16:29<calum>The only other USB device I have is a keyboard, if that helps
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16:29<Mr-R>edbian: more than one. i use w3m-standalone for my mails...
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16:31<edbian>Mr-R, ? w3m is a separate program from emacs yes?
16:31<Mr-R>edbian: yes. but you could choose emacs/w3 or emacs-w3m instead
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16:32<edbian>Mr-R, I see. Thank you!
16:33<Lethalman>so there's really an html viewer great
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16:33<Mr-R>emacs got almost anything. only the editor is crappy. ;-)
16:34<calum>Is there anything I can do to get back the mouse when it freezes?
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16:36<dkg>i'm the maintainer for a package that's having trouble with missing build-dependencies on kfreebsd. does anyone know the right place to ask questions about that? i don't see a debian-kfreebsd list on :/
16:36<@Ganneff>debian-bsd is pretty far up
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16:37<dkg>ah, i was looking for freebsd
16:37<dkg>i'll check it out.
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16:40<mjt>how does a desktop environment determine a set of buttons to display on "Exit" menu?
16:40<mjt>in particular, i'm interested in suspend/hybernate - they're absent on my lappie.
16:40<Guest3045>hi dear i come from south of germany
16:40<Guest3045>and i want to lick an wet shaved puzzy
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16:46<roy>@apt help
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16:47<roy>how to ask apt bot for help ?
16:47<roy>apt help
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16:47<babilen>roy: What kind of help do you need?
16:48<babilen>the bot is named "dpkg"
16:48<jordanm>babilen: apt is a bot too (which I didn't know for the longest time...)
16:48<jordanm>ah, only on freenode
16:49<babilen>jordanm: Yeah
16:49<babilen>!tell roy -about bot help
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16:57<nixGeek>How big should I make my /boot partition (i got a grub error 18)
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16:57<mjt>it's been ages since separate boot were needed...
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16:58<mjt>well, if grub supports your root filesystem
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16:58<nixGeek>This is an old gateway. I've got ubuntu on my new computer, and It's boot is together with /
16:59<jordanm>mjt: very common with raid, lvm, and ecryption to have a dedicated /boot
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16:59<jordanm>nixGeek: 100MB should be good
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16:59<mjt>that looks like ol'good 1023-cylinder limit, no?
16:59<nixGeek>jordanm: thank you
16:59<mjt>so it's not only about size, but about placement too
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17:00<nixGeek>it's going to be the first partition, I had 3 old computers given to me about a year ago (they all worked till i started messing with them) and now i have 2 working ones
17:00<mjt>on a separate /boot it's amost irrelevant how large it is, since it's being used from the beginning, and you'll have to fill it up to use larger addresses.
17:00<nixGeek>with 2 hd's each
17:01<jordanm>mjt: it has to be large enough for atleast two kernels, two initrds, and one initrd backup
17:01<mjt>jordanm: i know it's common for lvm/raid, i were referring to the "error 18 " reason
17:01<insomnious>Hi guys, I have a problem with Sendmail and PHP Mail. i have set up the Sendmail path in php.ini (/usr/sbin/sendmail -t) and sendmail is running :P I try to send an email from my PHPBB3 Forum, and I get an error every single time (E-mail error
17:01<insomnious>» EMAIL/PHP/mail()
17:01<insomnious>/forum/adm/index.php) Can anyone help me to resolve this problem ?
17:01<jordanm>mjt: ah, ok
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17:01<mjt>jordanm: and sure it should hold enough kenrels
17:02<nixGeek>about 100mb then, as you suggesed jordanm?
17:02<mjt>100mb _hopefully_ will be sufficient :)
17:02<jordanm>insomnious: are you sure it really sendmail? (virtually all smtp servers provide /usr/sbin/sendmail)
17:02<jordanm>nixGeek: yes
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17:02<nixGeek>okay. 100mb is what i'm going for.
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17:04<insomnious>jordanm: Yes it is sendmail. Well that is what is running, and PHP is configured to use
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17:04<nixGeek>Do I need to set a boot flag on any of my partitions? I'm going with /, /home, and /boot (of course)
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17:05<mjt>it depends on where you install grub
17:05<nixGeek>To the MBR
17:05<mjt>either mbr or partition
17:05<mjt>if mbr, grub does not care about active partitions
17:05<mjt>it only looks at config file on a given partition
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17:06<nixGeek>if I were to install to a partition, I'm guessing I'd need to set the boot flag on the partition with grub in it, right?
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17:06<mjt>well, probably ;)
17:06<mjt>depends on your mbr
17:07<mjt>"standard" mbr needs that flag
17:07<nixGeek>one more question, how much swap if i have 256mb ram
17:07<insomnious>What systems over than sendmail would work out of the box with PHP mail
17:07<insomnious>I have been scratching my head for the past 3 days
17:07<mjt>nixGeek: it depends on actual usage
17:07<petemc>both exim4 and postfix can be configured relatively easily with debconf
17:08<mjt>nixGeek: i'm quite happy without swap at all on my 300mb router...
17:08<insomnious>ok i will try them
17:08<edbian>nixGeek, 512 or 768
17:08<mjt>nixGeek: but if you plan to run, say, gimp editing some multi-gig photo, you'd better have some 10G swap :)
17:09<nixGeek>debian with xfce, using as a desktop and maybe a web server
17:09<nixGeek>yeah right......
17:09<mjt>that's too little for modern apps
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17:09<mjt>desktop usually means at least browser
17:09<nixGeek>i can edit multigig photos on my windows/ubuntu multiboot with 4gb memory
17:09<nixGeek>browser, little photoediting
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17:10<nixGeek>some web programming to
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17:11<nixGeek>i got 21gb left for /home and swap, how about 1gb, and then it'll even it out
17:11<insomnious>Hmm debconf exim4 gives :
17:11<insomnious>Exim is a Mail Transfer Agent. It is normally called by Mail User Agents,
17:11<insomnious>not directly from a shell command line. Options and/or arguments control
17:11<insomnious>what it does when called. For a list of options, see the Exim documentation.
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17:11<mjt>edbian gave you quite good advise. There's no reason to have more since if you'll use that your system will be unusable anyway (too much swapping = slow), and having something close to gig for total amount is what most current apps will want.
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17:13<insomnious>dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config
17:13<nixGeek>okay, 1gig total it is
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17:16<nixGeek>i've had all sorts of problems out of this. I had grub error 18, and when i figured that out and reinstalled with a /boot, then i got grub error 17, fixed it, then grub error 15, and thats when I had it and reinstalled this time. the partition order was messed up and so was menu.lst
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17:20<insomnious>What is the path for postfix to enter into php.ini
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17:22<insomnious>I am asking :/
17:23<bossekr>Need help with pulseaudio and the error message "ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:1018:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave" in Squeeze
17:24<bossekr>the problem occurs with flashplayer-nonfree in firefox and I do not know how to resolve the conflict between pulseaudio and ALSA...
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17:27<locklace>try removing pulseaudio
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17:47<nixGeek>I;m finishing debian install, be ready for grub errors
17:50<nixGeek>YES! debian is BOOTING!!!!!! FINALLY!!!!!MIT WORKED! BOO YAH!
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17:53<streuner_>dpkg, congrate nixGeek
17:53<dpkg>no idea, streuner_
17:54<streuner_>dpkg, congratulate nixGeek
17:54<dpkg>Nice one nixGeek, you did it!
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18:11<nathan>hi, i wanna compile a program using the connect() command but i get this error when i run it : ERR: connect() sh: pause: command not found. I included the sys/socket.h
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18:32<Bavg>can you tell me a free program for virtual machines?
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18:33<Bavg>thanks a lot
18:34<Bavg>vmware is not free.
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18:40<dpkg>For resources concerning the use of Debian as a host for virtual computers, or as a guest within a virtual computer, see . Also ask me about <hyper-v>, <kvm>, <linux-vserver>, <lxc>, <mol>, <openvz>, <pearpc>, <qemu>, <user mode linux>, <virtualbox>, <virtual pc>, <vmware>, <xen>, <xve>, <ksm>.
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18:43<retrospectacus>there's a few
18:44<agony>why the ubuntu is more popular ?
18:45<jhutchins_lt>agony: Optimized for idiots.
18:45<streuner_>"user want that things just work" o-ton from overguru
18:46<streuner_>agony: but please discuss those things in an offtopic channel, we support Debian here, thanks.
18:49<agony>I am new and I would like to understand the differense about the destributions can you help me?
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18:49<streuner_>what bit didnt you unterstand of our answer?
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18:52<agony>what is your problem ? I would like to install debian and I dont know what is the differnse?
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18:52<themill>!why debian
18:52<dpkg>Debian strives to maintain your freedom whilst also paying close attention to the technical aspects of making a great OS. Debian is stable, upgradable and well tested. See also (archived at As an added bonus, you get to ask questions in #debian.
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18:53<retrospectacus>agony: debian is a <free> pure-linux OS. Ubuntu uses non-free software to try and make things easier for the user
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18:53<zumbi>agony: Debian is company independant! yay!
18:53<na5uta-work>what is a ubuntu? *ggg*
18:54<zumbi>!why ubuntu
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18:54<agony>can you give me some examples ?
18:54<zumbi>no word -- hehe
18:54<agony>what is non free proram
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18:54<na5uta-work>!why not ubuntu
18:54<themill>na5uta-work: you can /msg dpkg
18:55<retrospectacus>!tell agony about free
18:55<zumbi>agony: non free is programs, you do not get the source from and/or you can not modify
18:55<zumbi>agony: for example some special drivers
18:55<zumbi>agony: or firmware blobs
18:57<dpkg>DFSG is the Debian Free Software Guidelines, which are explained at . For a full list of DFSG-compatible/incompatible software licenses, see
18:58<agony>that means if make install debian I will have problems with drivers?
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18:59<streuner_>agony: nah
18:59<streuner_>drivers live usually in kernels...
19:00<streuner_>if the kernel support your hardware, you are fine...
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19:00<retrospectacus>you can also choose to use/install non-free software and drivers
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19:03<agony>retrospectacus, you say that I can use non-free and with debian?
19:03<agony>or I can't
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19:04<retrospectacus>you can by adding non-free software repositories to your system
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19:05<craigevil>!tell agony about non-free
19:06<ocsi>I am setting up a transparent firewall by bridging two nics. I only have one IP on the external interface. I wonder if there is a decent way catch packet with dst port 1234 so I can access the transparent firewall
19:07<ocsi>e.g. Net <====> Firewall <=====> Server, where everything from Net to Firewall goes straight to Server BUT port 1234
19:08<retrospectacus>the firewall is Debian? how are the IPs set up?
19:08<ocsi>with netfilter / FORWARD I can stop 1234 from beign forwarded, but I actually want to respond it, but locally
19:09<ocsi>retro: yes, Debian. Say the Server has IP gw
19:09<ocsi>the Firewall has no ip
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19:09<ocsi>brctl addbr br0; brctl addif br0 eth0; brctl addif br0 eth1, that's all
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19:11<retrospectacus>erm not familiar with that kind of "firewall" but I think you need an IP to accept TCP traffic
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19:48<smv>what should i do with this? nfs-common and portmap are runing, though they aren't enabled in init.d.
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19:51<root_san>You don't wish that nfs.common and portmap they're running ?
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19:52<smv>actually no, as i don't use them. should i just enable them back with update-rc.d and then disable them again after upgrade?
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19:55<root_san>You can install "harden-servers" to remove all services unnecesary, after install check the open ports with netstat
19:56<dpkg>To secure and harden a Debian GNU/Linux system, ask me about <securing debian> and <security>. See also <security backports>, <tracker of doom>, <d:sbd>, <grsecurity>, <exec shield>.
19:57<smv>well, as this isn't a server, and at some point in future i will use nfs anyway, i'd like to keep them installed.
19:57<dpkg>The Securing Debian Manual describes the security of the Debian GNU/Linux operating system and within the Debian project. Packaged for Debian as harden-doc. See also <manuals>.
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19:57<smv>jordanm, already read those :)
19:57<jordanm>smv: if you are using lenny, you should note that the update-rc.d manpage recommends using a different frontend, such as sysv-rc-conf
19:59<smv>actually runing sid, and i use sysv-rc-conf only in some circumstances, as i preffer update-rc.d more
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20:00<smv>on the other hand i thought it's a bit odd that i have to enable some service to be able to update it's package. that's why i asked. will just try to enable and upgrade to see what will happen
20:01<jordanm>smv: ah, that is describbed in the update-rc.d manpage as well. you can't just remove the links, you must also make a stop link. IIRC there is an example in there as well
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20:01<jordanm>smv: search for "A common system administration error"
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20:03<smv>will read the man page again, i guess i do need to. but, after enabling nfs-common and portmap, upgrade worked.
20:04<sb750sux>can anyone help me with my raid issue?
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20:19<nixGeek>can I have some help. I only installed the base system, and now i want to install xfce4. how do i do it! I can't find it in aptitude!
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20:22<nixGeek>hello! is anyone paying attention to this!
20:23<jordanm>nixGeek: install xfce4 and xfce4-goodies
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20:23<jordanm>!install xfce
20:23<dpkg>To install <Xfce> on established systems, ask me about <install x>, then: aptitude install xfce4 xfce4-goodies . To install using Debian-Installer (if not using Xfce CD-1): press the Tab key at d-i's boot prompt, then include desktop=xfce in the boot options. On squeeze and later you may need to manually select an icon theme
20:23<puffy>linux is for dumb bitchess wwho att too many lead paint chips as babies
20:23<puffy>OpenBSD 4.7 GENERIC#558 i386
20:23<puffy>linux is for dumb bitches who ate too many lead paint chips as babies
20:23<puffy>got it right that time
20:24<moldovean>nixGeek, /msg dpkg sources
20:24<nixGeek>!install x
20:24<dpkg>To install X in Debian Etch or later: "aptitude update && aptitude install xorg". You may also want to install a desktop environment - ask me about <install gnome>, <install kde>, <install xfce>, <install lxde> - or a window manager, ask me about <window manager>. To reconfigure your X server, ask me about <drxx>.
20:24<jordanm>puffy: please go elsewhere unless you need debian support
20:25<puffy>jordanm OpenBSD is considered hard to install and configure by most people but I tried setting up Debian ,for someonne not elite enough for OpenBSD, and getting X working was too much a pain in the ass
20:25<puffy>jordanm I use OpenBSD no problem all the time
20:26<puffy>jordanm linux is for dumb bitches
20:26<jordanm>!ops puffy is trolling
20:26<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: jordanm complains about: puffy is trolling
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20:28<sb750sux>so dmraid helpness?
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20:34<NixGeek>!install xfce
20:34<dpkg>To install <Xfce> on established systems, ask me about <install x>, then: aptitude install xfce4 xfce4-goodies . To install using Debian-Installer (if not using Xfce CD-1): press the Tab key at d-i's boot prompt, then include desktop=xfce in the boot options. On squeeze and later you may need to manually select an icon theme.
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20:49<jordanm>nixeagle: ignore the last line if you are on squeeze, that is fixed
20:50<jordanm>dpkg: intall xfce =~ s/On squeeze and later you may need to manually select an icon theme.//
20:50<dpkg>i didn't have anything called 'intall xfce' to modify, jordanm
20:50<jordanm>dpkg: install xfce =~ s/On squeeze and later you may need to manually select an icon theme.//
20:50<dpkg>OK, jordanm
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21:17<rodrigo>Hello, I would like to know more about IPv6. I live in Brazil, here for a while IPv6 is not widely used.
21:18<rodrigo>Someone already using ipv6?
21:20<rodrigo>Anyone ever use ipv6?
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21:21<sney>are my eyes deceiving me, or is aptitude automatically updating my non-free nvidia drivers?
21:23<rodrigo>I am wanting to deploy IPv6 in my backbonner ... make a mixed network with both IPv4 and IPv6, it works well?
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21:24<rodrigo>Can anyone help me?
21:24<na5uta-work>sorry, no
21:25<sney>what's a backbonner?
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21:27<retrospectacus>rodrigo: it tends to work fine.
21:29<rodrigo>You're already using?
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21:31<rodrigo>I have a problem with traffic on my network, using ipv6 with ipv4?
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22:25<sb750sux>any dmraid gurus that can help me?
22:26<seeker7>moldovean: i am back so i still have the issue of 800X600 under lenny but under a windows environment the resolution has more options
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22:29<moldovean>seeker7, tried virtualbox ?
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22:31<sb750sux> my dmraid issue?
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22:35<moldovean>sb750sux, explain, your paste say nothing for me
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22:44<sb750sux>moldovean, I am trying to get my SB750 fakeraid to show up
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22:45<sb750sux>moldovean, Funny thing is that my windows is on there and it was kicking out my 2nd drive.. I would just add it back and rebuild... then it kicked my frst drive. and now it wont boot
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22:45<sb750sux>moldovean, So I am trying to use linux and dmraid to add the first drive back into the raid5 and have it rebuild
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22:48<dpkg>[fakeraid] a term used for controller cards that advertise RAID functionality that is NOT supported by a hardware chip for parity. Most of these have only a BIOS. For use with Debian systems, it is suggested that you do not set a RAID in the BIOS and don't use dmraid, just use regular software RAID instead; ask me about <md>.
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22:48<moldovean>sb750sux, /msg dpkg md
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22:50<sb750sux>moldovean, I know its fake raid, all that stuff I posted was for compiling dmraid to support my chipset
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22:50<sb750sux>moldovean, I have to ahve windows and linux... so I am stuck with fake raid
22:50<moldovean>bot said " and don't use dmraid"
22:53<sb750sux>moldovean, Like I said, don't have a choice. linux software raids are not compatible with windows
22:53<sb750sux>moldovean, the only problem I have is getting dmraid to see the proper offset for my fakeraid
22:53<moldovean>tell that to vendor
22:55<sb750sux>moldovean, why does debian even have dmraid if its not suppose to be used?
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22:57<sb750sux>anyone else have an idea? have I found the right offset?
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23:49<roky>hello everyone. I guess I've just never had to install it. But I'm trying to add some applications to my startup. And I can't seem to find Startup Applications. What should I do?
23:50<roky>Err nvm.
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