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00:20<chip9>I know you can look at /etc/exports to see what is currently configured for NFS but is there a command you can issue from the shell that shows which paths are being exported? (A check of your config if you will)
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00:44<cesurasean1>what channel is java on freenode?
00:47<jmad980>#java or ##java prolly, use /msg alis *java*
00:47<jmad980> /msg alis list *java*
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00:48<cesurasean1>#java, and ##java cannot be accessed
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00:48<jmad980>then look at alis, I think theres #java-dev
00:48<jmad980>and maybe a few others
00:49<jmad980>not sure if it is anything tho :/
00:49<jmad980>should be it
00:49<jmad980>make sure you're on freenode :)
00:50<jmad980>I think you might have to be reg'd with nickserv
00:50<jmad980>I think thats what channel mode +r is
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00:54<twb>So I just upgraded my festival and now it doesn't work so good: festival --tts <<<FNORD ==> Error: HTS_Model_load_pdf: Failed to load header of pdfs.
00:55<twb>Anybody know an IRC channel that can help me with that?
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01:33<octavio-rdz>hi room, I just installed debian lenny with LXDE, I want to install the flash player for iceweasel I installed flashplugin-nonfree package from backports .... but I still can use flash in iceweasel .... what am I missing?
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01:33<octavio-rdz>I still can't *
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01:33<craigevil>octavio-rdz: 64bit install?
01:34<octavio-rdz>nop 386
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01:47<doobian>octavio-rdz, disable the plugin for the free plugin and enable the plugin for the non-free in iceweasel
01:48<octavio-rdz>iceweasel reports zero plugins installed
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01:49<jm_>did it actually manage to install the at all?
01:51<doobian>you should see shockwave flash 10 r45 in plugins
01:51<doobian>are you selecting the plugin tab in add ons?
01:52<octavio-rdz>jm_: actually I do not have that package ... mmm.. but not even listed in aptitude
01:52<jm_>octavio-rdz: it's not a package, it's something the script found in flashplugin-nonfree downloads
01:53<doobian>make sure to disable sw dec or uninstall it because that is the free one that doesn't seem to work
01:53<jm_>what happens if you run /usr/sbin/update-flashplugin-nonfree ?
01:53<doobian>that script is for updating your flash plugin
01:56<octavio-rdz>well I ran update-flashplugin-nonfree --install ... and it looks like it is downloading...
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02:04<octavio-rdz>out of topic, I read some time ago that squeeze is going to be frozen this September is that rigth? or the planes have changed?
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02:07<madduck>i have installed
02:07<madduck>but when i try to open the help, it says i should install that help package.
02:07<madduck>what else could help depend on?
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02:14<madduck>installing -en-us works
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02:23<jm_>you need to eat mroe pudding to be able to use en-gb version!
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02:34<twb>ITYM crisps
02:35<twb>fried mars bars
02:35<twb>egg and chips
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02:57<jmm>umm I got an annoying problem. One of the servers I deal with has problem with raid, but I cannot find if it's hardware or softwaire raid which is used, does somebody have an idea about how to find it ? ( I got problems accessing the disks :^ ).
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02:59<twb>jmm: if you have a /proc/mdstat, you're using md raid.
02:59<jmm>twb: I got it !
02:59<twb>Otherwise, probe lspci -nn to check for a RAID card.
02:59<jmm>thanks for your answer.
03:00<twb>jmm: er, to clarify: if that file contains a list of your arrays
03:00<twb>I suppose you might have an empty /proc/mdstat in some circumstances
03:00<jmm>( I don't have access to /proc/pci, or to package management btw ).
03:01<jmm>mine is full, with informations about the raid.
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03:08<bossekr>hi; is there a way to find out which packages depends on a specific package ? I would like to identify what happen if a specific package would be removed from pool and which package are affected
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03:12<bossekr>answer -> apt-cache rdepends
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04:04<pjoshi>hi, I've intel core 2 duo process E7400, can I install Debian 5.05 64 bit? and from where can I download intel support 64 bit Debian 5
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04:05<petemc>pjoshi: look for amd64 on
04:05<pjoshi>but will that support intel platform ?
04:05<pjoshi>cool..thank you
04:05<jm_>it's funny how no-one would question if amd cpu-s will work if it was named intel64
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04:18<twb>How the fuck do you stop libparted-based tools from immediately exiting when the partition table extends beyond the end of the disk?
04:19<twb>(I've dd'd the MBR of a disk to a file, and I'm trying to examine it.)
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04:21<twb>I suppose I could create a 1TB sparse file on this 4GB netbook...
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04:22<pjoshi>one of my partition on the server shows 2% inode free.. where as the free space avail is 50GB, how can i free inodes..?
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04:22<twb>Well, that worked.
04:22<twb>What a crock
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04:38<sten>I have a laptop w/ prism2.5 card, and after blastlisting orinoco* modules, hostap_pci is loaded and I can connect to wlan. but now it takes ~90s longer to boot than w/o blacklisting. I don't see anything in dmesg during this time. how can I see what's going on and speed it up?
04:38<sten>I am on debian testing, but I already tried the unstable kernel w/o improvements
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04:46<jm_>where does the delay occur?
04:47<sten>jm_: while starting up, when printing "waiting for /dev ..."
04:48<sten>"waiting for /dev to be fully populated..."
04:49<jm_>sten: so udev
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04:49<sten>jm_: I guess
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04:53<jm_>sten: hmm not quite sure why it would do that, perhaps some script it executes is not exiting
04:54<sten>jm_: how can I find out?
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04:55<jm_>sten: hard to do at that early stage, I don't see any switches in udev other than to specify a lower timeout
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04:55<jm_>sten: what happens if you plug it in after the boot is done?
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04:56<sten>jm_: this is a built in minupci card, so no plugging in
04:57<jm_>sten: ok so try loading a module for it afterwards
04:58<sten>jm_: preventing the hostap module from loading on boot and loading in manually lateron? how do I prevent loading?
04:58<jm_>sten: how did you prevent orinoco? :)
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04:59<sten>jm_: blacklisting. ok, I try the same for hostap
04:59<jm_>sten: right
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05:03<sten>jm_: ok, booting is a lot faster, and manually loading the modules seems to finish in seconds
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05:04<sten>no it's behaving really slow now
05:04<jm_>try to check what's going on with atop or somesuch
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05:05<sten>jm_: top doesn't show any process using cpu, ~99% idle; is atop different?
05:05<jm_>sten: it can also show i/o usage in case that's slowing things down
05:06<sten>jm_: no, 0.0%wa, 0.0%hi, 0.0%si, 0.0%st
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05:07<aNiiTa>Como estais
05:07<locklace>aNiiTa: habla ingles o salte, perra
05:08<aNiiTa>ha wuar you
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05:10<sten>jm_: no it's normally fast again, but dmesg contains a lot of stull, and I cant set essid for my access point anymore
05:11<jm_>sten: hmm perhaps it was spending time in hostap module, does it have any debug options?
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05:13<sten>jm_: didn't find any options for hostap
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05:14<jm_>sten: modinfo hostap doesn't show it?
05:15<sten>jm_: it does, sry, I didn't check this
05:16<sten>the dmesg for manually loading hostap and hostap_pci is
05:16<jm_>ahh yes I guess that explains it
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05:17<sten>jm_: what explains?
05:17<jm_>sten: slowness?
05:18<sten>jm_: you mean the "command not completed"?
05:18<jm_>sten: yeah all the crap it spews
05:20<sten>jm_: what to do about it? is it a hardware problem?
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05:20<jm_>sten: I have no idea, try to search for similar problems or contact whoever can help with it
05:21<sten>jm_: I will, thanks for your time!
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05:22<jm_>sten: i suspect not many people still use such hardware, but still ...
05:22<jm_>no worries
05:23<sten>jm_: yeah, it's a quite old laptop
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06:47<pjoshi>how can i free inodes on a harddrive
06:48<pjoshi>one of my partition shows 50 GB free but inode is only 2% free..
06:48<jm_>delete files
06:49<pjoshi>i've deleted almost 20 gb data to get me 50 GB disk space.. but it still shows 2 % inodes available
06:50<moldovean>reboot ?
06:50<Texou>what fs??
06:50<pjoshi>sorry .. :( its a server.. fs is ext3..
06:51<Texou>it's not raid-related?
06:51<blarson>pjoshi: delete more small files, not a few big ones
06:51<pjoshi>Texou : no raid..
06:51<jm_>doesn't help if it's in 5 files ;)
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06:54<pjoshi>blarson - I deleted more files.. small one.. still no help..
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06:58<pjoshi>I'm deleting more files through shred...earlier i deleted files through rm -fr .. let see if that works..
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07:03<smv>shred on ext3 with journaling enabled, isn't too usefull sometimes
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07:25<pjoshi>shred no help.. :(
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07:31<pjoshi>anyone.. how to free inodes.. on a partition ?
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07:34<smv>pjoshi, deleting files will not reduce the inode count if the files have multiple hard links. if a running process still has the file open, the inode won't be freed. reboot the box to ensure no processes are left holding the files open. (info found via google)
07:36<Xeross>I installed the bigmem kernel and made my server boot that kernel, but it still only shows 2.7gb of ra
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07:36<pjoshi>smv.. thanks for the info. I've to take downtime for the server. thanks again..i'll try that.
07:37<moldovean>Xeross, uname -a
07:37<Xeross>Linux mainframe 2.6.26-2-686-bigmem #1 SMP Wed May 12 22:49:37 UTC 2010 i686 GNU/Linux
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07:39<Xeross>perhaps I'm missing some settings
07:39<Xeross>or htop just doesn't want to show more
07:40<moldovean>or BIOS limits
07:40<Xeross>This motherboard has been running with 4gb of ram before
07:40<jm_>try to check what kernel says in /var/log/dmesg
07:41<Xeross> < This ?
07:43<jm_>are you sure it has 4G of RAM?
07:44<jm_>is it a 64bit machine?
07:45<Xeross>It has a 64bit capable CPU if thats what you mean
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07:45<jm_>maybe check if there are any BIOS settings and you can also try 64bit kernel
07:47<Xeross>seems the motherboard in the server is different then I thought it was, turns out its my old foxconn board instead of my more recent asus one
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07:48<Xeross> Dual channel DDR2 800 / 667 x2 DIMMs, Max 2GB
07:49<Xeross>still odd it sees 2.7gb then
07:49<jm_>yeah that's one weird value
07:49<Xeross>2772mb to be exact
07:49<Xeross>guess I'll have to swap motherboards again soon :)
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07:50<jm_>or use a 64bit kernel maybe
07:50<Xeross>Well if the motherboard apparently has a 2gb memory limit
07:50<Xeross>I don't think that would matter
07:50<jm_>so that's what it's supposed to mean? not max 2G DIMM per module?
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07:51<Xeross>I suspect 2GB globally, this was the first motherboard I had in my desktop PC and I had to get a new one because they said it wouldn't see 4gb of ram
07:51<jm_>makes sense then, but still weird
07:51<Xeross>still 2772mb :/
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07:52<jm_>you can check which it is using dmidecode
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08:01<Xeross>range size 4gb
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08:02<Xeross>it looks ourfully the same as the windows memory limit on 32bit which is also like 2.7gb
08:04<jm_>it's 3.2G
08:04<Xeross>twb: Probably
08:04<Xeross>jm_: 2.7gb just sounds familiar
08:05<twb>What slice is the video ram taking?
08:05<jm_>Xeross: dunno, my machine at home shows 3.2G, similar with linux 4G option, but 64G option gives full 4G
08:05<twb>3×1024 - 256 = 2816
08:05<Xeross>Hmm I don't recall if I plugged in a PCI-E vid card
08:06<twb>Obviously if you have an offboard GPU it (should) use its ram instead of main memory.
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08:06<twb>You might also check if PAE is on in your /boot/config-*
08:08<Xeross>under what name is PAE listed
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08:08<twb>"PAE", I think
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08:08<twb>Lemme find an x86 install...
08:09<twb>Xeross: /boot/config-2.6.24-23-server:CONFIG_X86_PAE=y
08:09<twb>It's basically a dodgy hack where you change which 4GB of your (say) 64GB of memory is being "looked at" at any given time
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08:10<Xeross>I only have config-2.6.26-2-686 shouldn't it be config-2.6.26-2-686-bigmem
08:10<sander_m>Hi. I have an old proliant server that has Debian installed. I want to sell it, so I need to wipe the drives. But how can I do that? It's hardware RAID. I'll need to disassemble the array first. Problem: HP's Smart Array software for Debian seems to have vanished.
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08:10<twb>sander_m: take the drives out and run an angle-grinder through them
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08:11<Xeross>Boot & Nuke ?
08:11<jm_>Xeross: /boot/config-$(uname -r)
08:11<twb>Otherwise, write random data over them many times, or use a bulk eraser
08:11<sander_m>twb: Hehe :-) I'd like to sell the drives too. A 'shred' will suffice, but I need to disassemble the array into individual disks first
08:11<Xeross>found the correct one
08:11<twb>sander_m: why? Why not just blat the block devices directly?
08:12<twb>sander_m: obviously you'd move the disks into a different machine to blat them, so the hardware raid won't get in the way
08:12<sander_m>twb: Does that work for hardware RAID?
08:12<Xeross>The memory limit of the mobo seems to be 8gb though
08:12<twb>Xeross: shrug
08:12<twb>Xeross: IME it's easier to go buy another mobo for $50 than to worry about it
08:13<jm_>easier to just use 64bit if you need that much
08:13<Xeross>twb: I still have another newer mobo that I don't use, but I don't like the downtime and reinstall that is needed for that
08:13<twb>Oh, yeah, of course
08:13<twb>There's no reason to use i386 on a modern machine
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08:17<Xeross>ill survive with 2.7gb for now
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08:21<Xeross>I recently had to install and configure a few servers similarly, would it be possible to automate mysql replication configuration ?
08:22<Xeross>(also want to automate the entire configuration processs)
08:22<twb>Xeross: preseed it, then
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08:22<twb>Or puppet, if you like to continue working
08:22<twb>*Or puppet, if you like things to continue working
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08:22<Xeross>Hmm great google results when searching for preseed T_T
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08:23<twb>Xeross: see the installation-guide's appendices
08:23<Xeross>Most of the things I'
08:23<Xeross>m doing aren't done through debconf
08:23<Xeross>more through manual editing of config files
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08:25<Xeross>for example setting up mysql replication
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08:25<Xeross>Would making a disk image work if I install the image on a different hardware configuration ?
08:25<twb>22:22 <twb> *Or puppet, if you like things to continue working
08:27<Xeross>so puppet basically allows to centrally configure multiple nodes
08:29<Xeross>Will see if I can find any uses for it in the future
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08:31<Xeross>I'm also still looking for an easy way to manage creating new (sub)domains on my webhosting server, that includes creating folders, linux users, ftp accounts, mysql databases, and alike
08:31<Xeross>Thinking about writing something myself
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08:31<jm_>!free whcp
08:31<dpkg>FOSS Web Hosting Control Panels include: <DTC>, <GNUPanel>, <ISPConfig>, <ispCP Omega> and <RavenCore>. Don't use <Webmin>.
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08:32<twb>IME they all blow huge chunks
08:33<twb>As much as I hate puppet, I'd quite like to see a web UI that emits manifests instead of trying to piss about with confg files directly
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08:34<Xeross>I don't really like the full integration kind of things, guess I'll go with a management panel that generates virtualhost files, inserts ftp/mysql accounts, and creates some folders on the disk
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08:41<Dragonfly>that NetworkManager Applet 0.8 says its wired network is not managed, resulting for me that i cant set up any network, using debian sid...
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08:48<gsimmons>dpkg: tell Dragonfly -about nm squeeze
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08:49<Dragonfly>oh thx
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09:02<Xeross>When I install mysql on debian it makes 3 root accounts one for localhost, one for and one for hostname
09:02<Xeross>can I delete 2 of those safely ?
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09:03<Xeross>same question goes for the deb-sys-maintenance user but i guess that's needed for upgrading, etc.
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09:26<Xeross>What package is dig included in ?
09:27<petemc>!tell Xeross about search
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09:27<Xeross>thanks for both :)
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09:54<itjanitor>greetings fellow debian-ers
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10:01<itjanitor>is this a good place to ask a question about power management in debian?
10:02<jmm>but better ask then ask to ask.
10:02<jmm>!tell itjanitor about ask
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10:04<babilen>May I ask to ask or shall I just ask if I may ask my question or ask the question directly?
10:04<itjanitor>lol ok
10:04<jmm>just ask babi !
10:05<babilen>itjanitor: What can we help you with?
10:05<itjanitor>I have debian installed on a first generation ppc imac. We're using it as a file server, so it's bare bones, no X
10:05<itjanitor>I was wondering how to configure it to turn off the monitor automatically after idling for a certain amount of time
10:07*itjanitor may have trouble respoinding quickly since he's taking tech support calls at his job
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10:08<babilen>itjanitor: Uh, I am not familiar with that hardware anymore (it's been a couple of years since I last played with it) and you might want to ask that question on
10:08<itjanitor>thanks ^_^
10:08<jmm>itjanitor: I think you can use setterm to do that.
10:09<jmm>it seems that powerdown option is what you're looking for.
10:10<babilen>itjanitor: You might also want to take a look at "man xorg.conf"'s "OffTime" option ...
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10:11<jmm>babilen: he doesn't use X I believe.
10:12<jhutchins>itjanitor: On i386 systems the console blanks/locks by default.
10:12<babilen>yes, my bad ... setterm looks like a good solution.
10:12<jhutchins>itjanitor: Some BIOSs also attempt to manage that.
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10:12<itjanitor>the console currently goes blank after a certain amount of time (around a half hour i think) but the screen stays powered on
10:12<jhutchins>itjanitor: Dunno about the ppc...
10:13<jmm>umm also if you don't use X, you could put no monitors on it :)
10:13<jmm>fileservers doesn't often have a screen.
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10:13<moldovean>imac is all-in-one
10:14<jmm>like there is only 1 power switch ? hehe macs are fun !
10:14<itjanitor>and pretty
10:14<itjanitor>but a bit slow, since it's circa 1998
10:14<babilen>Well, you could just open it and unplug the VGA cable ... :-\
10:15<itjanitor>the thing is kind of a pain to disassemble. we had to in order to replace the 6gb hard drive witha 160gb one.
10:15<itjanitor>my buddy almost went nuts when he couldn't get the case back together :-P
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10:25<SQlvpapir>itjanitor, how does "sleep 1; xset s activate" serve you?
10:26<SQlvpapir>sleep is needed because it is *INSTANT* , will notice that you "unpress" enter
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10:35<angel>please I could not open /dev/ttyS0 from normal user using minicom (crw------- 1 uucp dialout 4, 64 Jul 19 16:30 /dev/ttyS0)
10:35<angel>the user belongs to dialout and uucp groups
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10:39<karme>angel: user did login after he was added to the group?
10:39<karme>angel: see also output of "id" command
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10:40<karme>angel: oh and take a look at the group access rights again
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10:49<angel>kame: uid=1000(angel) gid=1000(angel) groups=1000(angel),10(uucp),20(dialout),24(cdrom),25(floppy),26(tape),27(sudo),29(audio),44(video),46(plugdev)
10:51<karme>angel: ok fine, but your /dev/ttyS0 device is not read/write for the dialout group
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10:52<karme>!tell angel about Permissions
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10:54<jmm>heh guys, how can an email be BOTH html and text ?
10:54<jmm>( ok html is just formatted text but... ).
10:54<@Ganneff>multi mime parts
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10:54<jmm>oh off course.
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11:04<itjanitor>is it very important to set iptables rules if you're behind a NAT router?
11:04<jmm>it depend on who can connect to your computer.
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11:05<jmm>and if you already have a firewall on the router or not.
11:05<itjanitor>right now the only ports we have open on the router are for ssh, openvpn, and two ports for apache
11:05<itjanitor>and we're using nonstandard ports
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11:06<jmm>ssh and apache are often target of attackers.
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11:07<jmm>I believe that using non standards ports is not very usefull btw.
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11:39<vizor>I have a problem with GL on nvidia
11:39<vizor>I installed nvidia-glx
11:39<vizor>and kernel module via dksm
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11:41<vizor>and now when I run any GL app it claims about mesa soft pipe
11:41<vizor>or something like that
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11:49<vizor>I found solution, the cause was my experiment with git version of mesa
11:50<vizor>after removing it all works good
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12:17<Guest376>HI people I made a stupid thing, mybe smb could help me out of the consequences. I have Lenny and XP on one comp. I started lenny, but he wanted to make the total check and I was in a hurry, so I just switched off the comp. Now even the grub does not display when I boot th comp - only the XP. Any help?
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12:22<Zathraz>So you were in a hurry to fuckup. Never ever (unless hangs) turn off a computer when the OS is still running. Windows, Linux, anything
12:22<Zathraz>diskchecking is even more critical
12:23<Zathraz>you have a big change that things are very broken now
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12:28<rudi_s>Guest376: Boot from a CD and check the filesystem.
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12:45<hood>hi, da bei / voll ist, habe ich den swap und /tmp ausgelagert. /var möcht ich jetzt auch noch auslagern, welche oktalwerte muss ich den bei /var vergeben?
12:46<dpkg>Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
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13:08<saha>I have a problem. My lo interface is down by default
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13:09<saha>How can I enable it at boot time?
13:09<retrospectacus>saha: that's weird... put "auto lo" in /etc/network/interfaces
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13:09<icebrain>retrospectacus: and "iface lo inet loopback" too, no?
13:09<chealer>saha: please provide your /etc/network/interfaces
13:10<saha>ok, 1 min
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13:10<retrospectacus>yes but that should be there already if he can enable it... ya paste it
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13:10<saha>there was no 'auto lo' line
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13:12<saha>here it is
13:12<chealer>saha: which Debian suite do you use?
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13:13<saha>I installed sid with debootstrap
13:14<saha>on my usb stick (if this matters)
13:15<chealer>saha: eh. if you have to ask, sid is not for you
13:16<saha>Well, I always use debian unstable, and it worked fine
13:16<saha>of course I can do 'ifconfig lo up', but it's strange that it isn't up by default
13:16<icebrain>I'd just do echo auto lo\\\niface lo inet loopback >> /etc/network/interfaces
13:17<saha>ok, I am goint to try this
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13:18*icebrain thinks saha doesn't know about mod4+control+r
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13:21<saha>Thanks! It works!
13:22<retrospectacus>!congratulate saha
13:22<dpkg>Hugs & Puppies saha, you did it!
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13:25<sney>hmm, suddenly aptitude can't find any packages to install them.
13:25<sney>No candidate version found for openjdk-6-jre
13:25<sney>(among others)
13:25<sney>I just did an aptitude update a few seconds ago, is this likely to be a problem with the local mirror?
13:26<saha>my aptitude will try to download packages
13:27<saha>when I do aptitude install openjdk-6-jre
13:27<babilen>saha: Yes, that is the expected and normal behaviour ...
13:28<babilen>sney: You should know the drill ;) -- apt-cache policy, apt-cache policy pkg1,..,pkgN (among others)
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13:28<sney>actually I just kicked my mirror over to and now it seems to be working. dang local compsci departments *shakes fist*
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13:28<babilen>sney: But you could just try a different mirror first and start to debug the problem only if it persists (and maybe inform the mirror admin)
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13:29<Cadmium01>WHat was that file that will run at every boot as root?
13:29*babilen shakes his fist too
13:29<babilen>Cadmium01: What are you trying to do?
13:29<Cadmium01>run a modprobe virtalbox driver
13:29<babilen>Cadmium01: Does it has to be that command or do you just want to make sure that the module is loaded?
13:30<Cadmium01>not 100% sure, but I think just need to have the module loaded
13:30<babilen>Cadmium01: Include it in "/etc/modules" then ...
13:31<Cadmium01>babilen, thanks!
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13:52<sarc>I am trying to install a Broadcom Netxtreme II 57710 on lenny 2.6.26. I used the latest netinstall cd for lenny and it prompted me for the firmware package bnx2x_0.14+lenny2_all.deb. The system recognizes the NIC after installatoin as eth0 and shows the driver as being loaded, however I cannot see anything on my network.
13:52<sarc>are there known issues with this card on Debian?
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13:55<sarc>the broadcom site has the driver source but it is only compatible with SuSE and RedHat and even if I was able to build it on lenny the firmware for this driver would then not be copatible
13:55<sarc>anyone have any thoughts on this?
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13:57<babilen>sarc: Not yet - but it might help to gather some information. But i'll smoke now and be back later ... You might want to provide dmesg output after reinserting the module (modprobe -r bnx2 (?) /modprobe bnx2 (?) /dmesg|tail -n 10) output of ifconfig -a and other relevant information ...
13:57<jordanm>sarc: the driver is there, you just need firmware
13:57<retrospectacus>sarc: what does lspci say about it
13:58<babilen>You could also try a different (i.e. newer) kernel ...
13:58<babilen>but i'll leave you to the experienced hands of jordanm and retrospectacus for now :-Q
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13:58<gnufan>Is that a BTS command to follow a bug report - as I have the same bug as someone else and don't simply want to post "me too"
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13:58<sarc>i know a new kernel might work, but i am reserving that option for last
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13:59<babilen>sarc: sure - provide the dmesg output (which will let us know if the problem is related to missing firmware) and other information ...
13:59<sarc>the net install CD prompted me for the firmware on a thumb drive when I installed it, and i installed the firmware manually with dpkg and still nothing
13:59<gnufan>Okay found it under "developer" ;)
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14:00<sarc>somewhat new to irc, how do you want me to paste this
14:00<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <>.
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14:08<babilen>sarc: It would also be nice to have the output of "lspci -knn|grep -i ethernet"
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14:10<babilen>ah, make that lspci -knn|grep -A2 -i ethernet
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14:15<babilen>sarc: To summarise: Provide output of: (i) "aptitude search ~n^firmware-bnx" (ii) "modprobe -r MOD ; modprobe MOD ; dmesg | tail -n 10" (MOD == bnx or bnx2) (iii) "lspci -knn|grep -A2 -i ethernet" and (iv) "ifconfig eth0"
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14:15<sarc>lol... ok
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14:16<babilen>sarc: do you have problems with one of the pastbins? do you actually have a working network connection on that server so that you are able to paste it?
14:17<sarc>on a sep machine/net but i can port it over
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14:18<babilen>sarc: Is that a lot of work? If it is I could explain what *I* am looking for in the output and you could just answer questions about it ... It is just often the case that obvious things are not that obvious when you expect to see something ;)
14:18<sarc>its no big deal, just making sure i get it all
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14:19<babilen>alright ...
14:19<babilen>put it into one paste please :)
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14:28<sarc>ok here it is
14:29<babilen>,pciid 14e4:1639
14:29<judd>[14e4:1639] is 'NetXtreme II BCM5709 Gigabit Ethernet' from 'Broadcom Corporation' with kernel module 'bnx2' in lenny. See also
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14:30<sarc>there are 4 5709 and 1 5710 on the machine
14:30<sarc>the 5709's work correctly
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14:31<babilen>,pciid 14e4:164e
14:31<judd>[14e4:164e] is 'NetXtreme II BCM57710 10-Gigabit PCIe [Everest]' from 'Broadcom Corporation' with kernel module 'bnx2x' in lenny. See also
14:31<sarc>*57710 is the one I am having trouble with
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14:32<dpkg>[bnx2x] The driver for Broadcom Everest 10Gb (BCM57710/57711/57711E) NIC chipsets. The driver from Linux 2.6.30 was backported and enabled in linux-2.6 2.6.26-18, ask me about <5.0.3>. Firmware is required, ask me about <non-free sources> and install the firmware-bnx2x package to provide. If required, ask me about <installer firmware> for device use at Debian installation time. Not to be confused with <bnx2>.
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14:33<sarc>so I am using the wrong firmware?
14:33<sarc>i just supplied the firmware the installer asked for
14:33<babilen>sarc: No, you have firmware-bnx2x installed ...
14:34<babilen>What is your kernel version? (uname -r)
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14:34<babilen>I can't see anything wrong really ... What issues are you having?
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14:35<sarc>the NIC doesnt see anything on the network, cant reslove names... etc
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14:35<sarc>but if i enable the 5709 it works just fine
14:36<babilen>How do you enable it (i.e. the 5710 one)
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14:36<sarc>ifup eth0
14:37<sarc>that ifconfig -a didnt print the correct results... its missing the other four NICs
14:37<babilen>and how do you choose if eth0 is one of the 5709 cards or the 5710 one? Take a look at /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules to figure out the mapping from MAC to ethN
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14:38<sarc>yeah i have done this
14:38<babilen>sarc: Well yes, exactly ... I was wondering about that ...
14:38<babilen>You have done what?
14:38<sarc>57710 is def eth0
14:38<sarc>the bnx2x nic is labeled as eth0 in udev
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14:39<sarc>and the 5709's are listed in order eth1-4
14:39<sarc>ill double check
14:39<babilen>Ok - the configuration you've pasted (the ifconfig output) looked fine for the 5710 ... TX and RX are != 0 so it received and sended some frames ...
14:39<babilen>no - they are 0
14:40<sarc>yeah, this is how i knew i had a problem
14:40<sarc>not sending or receiving packets
14:40<sarc>but everything appears fine
14:40<sarc>routes are correct
14:40<babilen>exactly :-\
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14:41<sarc>let me backup some
14:41<sarc>my original plan was to have two of these NICs, one would replay tcpdump traffic to the other
14:41<sarc>so i had them both set to promisc with no ip
14:42<sarc>they are on two different machines
14:42<babilen>ok ...
14:42<sarc>same OS
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14:42<sarc>however when i used a cat6 cable to connect the NICs together to replay the traffic the following error scrolls continuously across both terminals
14:43<babilen>what kind of cable are you using now?
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14:45<sarc>i am using a reg ethernet cable now, but i had cat6 in same setup and i got same results
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14:46<sarc>so after i got the above error I backed off the promis config and just tried to get it to work in a "normal" configuration
14:46<babilen>well - I am not sure what is wrong there. I would actually try a new kernel first, to rule out a problem with the "backported" bnx2x driver
14:46<babilen>You can install it from backports
14:46<dpkg> is a semi-official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read . A sample line for your sources.list is: deb lenny-backports main contrib non-free. Once added: "aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update". <bpo mirrors> <bpo contents> <bpo list> <backports-users> <bpo kernel>
14:47<babilen>Another problem is that I have to go soon -- Sorry :-\, but you might want to hop over to #debian on which is more active right now ...
14:47<locklace>sarc: you do realise that to directly connect two nics you need a crossover cable, i hope
14:47<sarc>ok, ty
14:48<sarc>i was running the same scenario on the 5709's with no crossover
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14:48<sarc>i thought the same thing, but the reg cable worked just fine
14:48<sarc>i dont understand that either
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14:49<babilen>sarc: well good luck :)
14:49<babilen>bye all!
14:49<sarc>ok, ty for your time and assistance
14:49<sarc>greatly appreciated
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14:50<locklace>sarc: it will often work between gigabit-ethernet-capable devices due to auto-mdi/x
14:50<sarc>well.. crap
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14:51<sarc>any thoughts on why it isnt working in a normal configuration though?
14:51<sarc>with an IP and DNS settings
14:51<locklace>sarc: anyway, you're getting driver crashes, which shouldn't be happening in any case. definitely first thing to do is try a new kernel, the one from backports has huge changes over the .26 one
14:51<dpkg>For Debian Lenny installers with up-to-date kernels, see . The <bnx2> and <bnx2x> firmware files for Linux 2.6.32 are included in 0116 images.
14:52<sarc>so the backport is essentially Lenny with a newer kernel?
14:52<sarc>ok good, that saves me the trouble of upgrading it myself
14:52<sarc>that is handy
14:53<sarc>and they already have the bnx firmware packaged with them, am i reading that correctly?
14:53<sarc>that was my next question
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15:15<rektide>are there any tools or guidelines for trying to deploy/bootstrap debian in userland onto an existing system
15:15<rektide>for example if i have a bare bones redhat, setting up a ~/.debian directory or ~/.local directory that i can aptitude install into
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15:34<retrospectacus>rektide: /msg dpkg user mode linux
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15:43<rektide>retrospectacus: it seems unnecessary to run an entirely new kernel
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15:43<rektide>i'm not really interested in chrooting into a new system,
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15:43<rektide>i'd like a system to manage installing packages into a home directory
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15:50<felixs>rektide: the problem about your plan is, that often paths are hardwired during compile time.
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15:51<felixs>rektide: if this is not the case you can just unpack a .deb using dpkg -x ~/.local, and see if it works
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15:53<felixs>rektide: what are your objections to chroot into a debian system?
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16:11<gnufan>Is there a protocol for "me too" type bug reports. I've subscribed to a couple of bug reports where I see the same bug (in Squeeze), but I don't think actually posting to the report really helps. Or is it better to open a new bug report and merge it, as reportbug does the hard work of reporting what versions etc.
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16:13<rektide>felixs: chrooting isolates me from the rest of the system i'm on
16:13<rektide>felixs: i want to be able to show up on an artibrary terminal on someone elses system and deploy a semi-sane environment w/ packages i use
16:13<rektide>and still be able to leverage the system i'm on
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16:17<felixs>rektide: i dont get it. could you give an example of what wouldnt work when using a chroot'ed system?
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16:18<chealer>gnufan: why would posting to the report not really help? reportbug can be used to follow-up, despite the name.
16:19<rektide>felixs: if the server is running an freenx server and has Eclipse installed with non-free plugins, how would i use a chroot environment alongside the server's eclipse and its freenx X environment?
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16:19<gnufan>chealer: just at this point I have nothing to add other than "reproduced here".
16:20<chealer>gnufan: why would that be more useful in a different bug report than as a followup?
16:22<gnufan>chealer: I didn't realise reportbug would do a report to an existing bug report - so I thought it would include the package dependencies etc
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16:25<felixs>rektide: the freenx stuff is running on your redhat machine (outside the chroot)?
16:25<jhutchins_lt>rektide: I don't think you appreciate the implications of running debian packages on a RedHat kernel.
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16:26<felixs>jhutchins_lt: the kernel doesnt make much of a difference.
16:26<jhutchins_lt>rektide: ... or any such mix of releases or distributions.
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16:30<felixs>jhutchins_lt: to mess up the releases and distributions inside the chroot is not necessary and probably another story
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16:34<sarc>locklace: the backport kernel is suffering from the same crash with the bnx2x driver :(
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16:37<dpkg>[bnx2x] The driver for Broadcom Everest 10Gb (BCM57710/57711/57711E) NIC chipsets. The driver from Linux 2.6.30 was backported and enabled in linux-2.6 2.6.26-18, ask me about <5.0.3>. Firmware is required, ask me about <non-free sources> and install the firmware-bnx2x package to provide. If required, ask me about <installer firmware> for device use at Debian installation time. Not to be confused with <bnx2>.
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16:39<sarc>actually there is no crash, however it still will not communicate with network
16:39<sarc>i have the firmware
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16:40<retrospectacus>jesus... my mail server's load average is over 300
16:41<jordanm>retrospectacus: for a company?
16:41<gnufan>retrospectacus: load average is mostly of measure of things waiting to be done. On the otherhand what went wrong?
16:41<sarc>i guess broadcom is never going to play well with debian
16:41<retrospectacus>yes... about 200 domains, 1500 email addresses... also web and dns
16:43<retrospectacus>not sure what's gone wrong... spam botnet activated is my guess.... mail queue is way up
16:43<blarson>retrospectacus: we used to see that on bugs.d.o before we greylisted and some other blocking measures
16:43<jordanm>we use an external (proprietary) spam filter, really helps to take the load off the smtp server
16:44<gnufan>retrospectacus: mail queue - spambots nets shouldn't usually stick stuff in the mailq unless you are forwarding.
16:44<retrospectacus>jordanm: yes I already have this on some problem domains
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16:54<retrospectacus>load average is down to about 10... 1000 mails in the queue
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16:54<retrospectacus>looks like website forum spam
16:56<retrospectacus>stupid Internet
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16:58<burst_error>is the scrollback the displays during boot logged to a file?
16:58<retrospectacus>burst_error: dmesg|less
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17:21<dupondje>I have PHP segfaults on squeeze, stacktrace is @ Anybody cares to look and give some feedback?
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17:49<dupondje>nvm fixed :) unstable package fixed it
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18:54<qermit>hi, does anyone has debian-installer with tftp fetch url method ?
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18:56<abrotman>don't think so, why?
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19:00<qermit>abrotman: for automatic install
19:00<qermit>testing seems to have but stable doesn't
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19:08<abrotman>qermit: automatic install of what?>
19:08<Guest448>Can somebody help me delete these tc filters?
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19:09<Guest448>I added them now I can't get rid of them
19:09<Dragonfly>since i can't find google help are there any issuses with a Geforce GTX480 ? (i would not buy if there is..)
19:10<Guest448>There are people running the GTX 480 no problem.. I helped work on the folding@home wrapper for it
19:10<abrotman>any issues with what?
19:10<Guest448>Of course, I recommend the proprietary drivers (ducks)
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19:11<Dragonfly>i just dont want end up failing to get debian into graphical mode xD
19:12<qermit>abrotman: i think its debian channel, so automatic debian install
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19:12<abrotman>qermit: install of what? the whole OS? a few packages? what?
19:12<abrotman>and stable does support a tftp install
19:13<Guest448>Dragonfly, upgrade to the 256.X drivers first and then you should have no probs getting into graphical mode
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19:14<Dragonfly>thanks, i already do but does it work with 3 Graphic cards at the same time.. two 9800GTX and that new one (i need screens..)
19:15<qermit>abrotman: whole OS, i mean i downloaded ''
19:15<dpkg>[tftp] Trivial File Transer Protocol, an insecure file transfer protocol without authentication designed for transferring files to diskless clients. To establish a TFTP server on Lenny, "aptitude install tftpd-hpa && invoke-rc.d openbsd-inetd restart", place content to be served in /var/lib/tftpboot. For Squeeze, "aptitude install tftpd-hpa" and place content in /srv/tftp.
19:15<abrotman>that failed
19:18<qermit>one more time, i need initrd.gz of debian-installer (network install) with tftp support (/usr/lib/fetch-url/tftp file inside initrd.gz)
19:19<qermit>and busybox compiled with tftp
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19:22<Guest448>Nvm, got my filters removed.. Didn't realize the prio was in there somewhere
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19:50<rektide>jhutchins_lt: i really dont appreciate the implications of running debian packages on another kernel
19:51<rektide>i do appreciate the difficulty that all packages are compiled to expect certain paths
19:51<rektide>if that was addressable,
19:51<jhutchins_lt>rektide: You may be mixing different versions of glibc, you may have different libraries in different places, you'll have different defaults compiled into things.
19:51<rektide>if i could compile everything to expect a root of /home/rektide/.local/ , wlel...
19:52<rektide>jhutchins_lt: a lot of those isues seem like they'd go away
19:52<jhutchins_lt>rektide: Certainly you could take the RH sources, compile them on a debian system, and run with that kernel, but that's not the same as running a system under a kernel compiled on a different release.
19:52<rektide>if you had infrastructure to deploy into something other than /usr and /usr/local
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19:53<rektide>rather than use the system's libraries, have your own libraries in /home/rektide/.local
19:53<rektide>with aptitude managing that /home/rektide/.local dir
19:53<jhutchins_lt>rektide: I expect then that you'll be a brave pioneer hopefully documenting the pitfalls of the process.
19:53<rektide>a user-land linux
19:53<rektide>jhutchins_lt: will you be the one supplying the anti-aging treatments i'll need to pursue this work? ;)
19:53<rektide>to fit it in? :)
19:54<jhutchins_lt>I know I have had problems with booting Distro A from a CD and trying to run things from a chroot hard drive that has a Distro B install.
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19:59<frobe>Why is debian so popular comparerd to fedora?
20:00<jhutchins_lt>!why debian
20:00<dpkg>Debian strives to maintain your freedom whilst also paying close attention to the technical aspects of making a great OS. Debian is stable, upgradable and well tested. See also (archived at As an added bonus, you get to ask questions in #debian.
20:01<frobe>I have no complaints i was just wondering
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20:06<frobe>the only thing that sux about linux distros in general is the fact that it is still necesary to run duell boot with windows..
20:06<jhutchins_lt>People end up with Debian for a lot of different reasons. I find it pretty interesting that it's very often not the first distro a user has run.
20:06<frobe>Think they will ever shake hands?
20:07<jhutchins_lt>frobe: Not for the last six years here.
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20:07<jhutchins_lt>frobe: My last wine program finally died this year and I haven't gone back.
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20:08<frobe>wines a teas its like it starts out looking like its going to work and poof
20:08<retrospectacus>windows is for gaming. Everything else debian does way better
20:09<frobe>debian is solid
20:09<WapiFlapi>frobe: I have i hl on "wap" And on "wawa" no coment XD
20:10<frobe>cant win em all
20:11<frobe>deb has alot of work to do i the vid card dept.
20:11<smv>after using windows for many years, then ubuntu for some months, and trying some others in the same time, then again a whole year windows, then openbsd for like half year, I finaly switched to debian. and this time is for good. i'm too old to fight with viruses and spyware, instead of doing something better. ye, i miss a game or two, but i think i'll live without them.
20:12<frobe>duell boot
20:12<retrospectacus>you mean the video card manufacturers have a lot of work to do in the linux-support department...
20:12<WapiFlapi>video-cards are useless :D
20:14<retrospectacus>you need at least one
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20:15<retrospectacus>unless you have a ssh client on your phone, which I do... but need one to install :P
20:15<frobe>deb is a great laptop os
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20:16<retrospectacus>I run it on my laptop, eeepc, desktop, and all my remote servers
20:16<frobe>the very best thing about deb in my oppinion is all the free s***
20:17<frobe>linux in general
20:17*na5uta-work_ is windowsfree since 2008 and very hapypy!
20:17<frobe>i guess
20:17<na5uta-work_>on all of the 6 computers
20:18<frobe>same here
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20:18<frobe>what do you think about raids on deb?
20:20<frobe>kinda dumb question but linux seems to handle better
20:20<na5uta-work_>you talk to me?
20:20<retrospectacus>I believe in backups, not raid
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20:21<frobe>some raids got back up at price of space
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20:21<ichdasic1>frobe: raids don't do backup
20:21<na5uta-work_>have no raid running
20:21<ichdasic1>frobe: raids do speed, accesstime and redundancy.
20:21<frobe>not true
20:22*smv is using hwraid 1+0 on a server. hopes to never find if it works or not.
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20:23<frobe>my bad
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20:24<frobe>i hate this laptop screen to small
20:25<frobe>what about duel core and quad core support?
20:27<frobe>seems to be ok
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20:28<na5uta-work_>my quadcore is running good
20:28<smv>i guess that's working good. had no problem yet with this 2x dual core server
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20:29<coolworld>when trying to run samba server i get a error of inactive servecrs wibindd anyone know hwo to fix that ?
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20:32<frobe>this is old but i got to say i had redundancy and backup all mixed up my bad
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20:32<coolworld>when trying to run samba server i get a error of inactive servecrs wibindd anyone know how to install winbindd so samba will work correctly?
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20:33<na5uta-work_>sorry, no coolworld
20:33<coolworld>doh :(
20:34<coolworld>is there some package that needs to be installed for windows to see samba properly besides sambad and its configurations files, mabey im missing something
20:35<frobe>what is samba?
20:36<frobe>is it for servers?
20:36<coolworld>samba is a file and printer sharing software package
20:36<coolworld>it could be on a server yes..
20:37<frobe>like file and print sharing in windows
20:38<frobe>*for networking
20:38<na5uta-work_>never had a problem with my samba. you make a user?
20:38<jhutchins_lt>coolworld: You do have to actually configure it.
20:38<coolworld>I know i have to configure it..
20:38<coolworld>Im not new to Linux Unix SunOS Solaris and the like.
20:39<jhutchins_lt>coolworld: Have you tried aptitude search winbind?
20:39<jhutchins_lt>coolworld: I generally don't care for how winbind does things, it might be heplful to read the samba docs and see why it's asking for it.
20:39<coolworld>yes unless i missed something
20:40<Arrowmaster>winbind shouldnt be needed at all
20:40<coolworld>I have no Idea why its asking for it..
20:40<Arrowmaster>maybe you did something in your config that requires it
20:40<jhutchins_lt>Arrowmaster: Correct, it' snot.
20:40<Arrowmaster>try starting over with your config
20:40<jhutchins_lt>,versions winbind
20:40<judd>winbind -- etch: 3.0.24-6etch10; etch-security: 3.0.24-6etch10; etch-backports: 2:3.2.5-4~bpo41+1; lenny: 2:3.2.5-4lenny11; lenny-security: 2:3.2.5-4lenny12; lenny-backports: 2:3.4.8~dfsg-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 2:3.4.8~dfsg-1; sid: 2:3.4.8~dfsg-2; experimental: 2:3.5.4~dfsg-1
20:41<coolworld>hmm, i dont ever recall myself ever using winbind eithr
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20:42<frobe>judd: was that a terminal command or a cinfig file?
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20:44<frobe>dumb question i know but i i dont know
20:46<frobe>oh thats a diagnostic
20:47<frobe>what is that?
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20:47<frobe>oh packages
20:48<frobe>just packages
20:48<frobe>i see
20:50<coolworld>hrmph something else in the config is calling for winbind
20:52<frobe>can anyone recomend a good christian room thats not all hollier than thow.
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20:55<coolworld>hmm bbl
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20:56<frobe>going to church every sunday doesnt make you a christian just like standing in a garage doesnt make you a car.
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21:22<HardwareFreak>I can't seem to get aptitude to show me the date/time a package was installed. Any advice?
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21:23<jhutchins_lt>frobe: I thought that was the whole point, but way off topic here.
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21:23<abrotman>/var/log/ .. there is an aptitude log and a dpkg log
21:23<jhutchins_lt>frobe: You'll probably want to look at other servers that are more socially oriented, like alternet, undernet, etc.
21:24<HardwareFreak>abrotman: thank you
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21:34<naicamine>awful quiet here ;)
21:35<naicamine>whats goin on?
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21:35<Sidicas>Just moved my Debian box so it's between my gateway and my home network.. It's doing packet shaping duties :D
21:35<Sidicas>Pretty awesome..
21:36<naicamine>yah? that sounds cool
21:36<naicamine>what software are you using?
21:37<Sidicas>Just bridge-utils and tc
21:37<naicamine>id like to set that up
21:37<naicamine>what should i look for on google?
21:38<naicamine>just packet shaping?
21:38<Sidicas>It's really nice.. Can upload videos to youtube and it will automatically throttle it down to prevent ping from shooting up to 999
21:38<Sidicas>So I get 50ms ping no matter what..
21:39<dpkg>The Wonder Shaper is a script which uses the traffic shaping features of the Linux kernel to fix some problems, including making downloads continue at full speed while uploads are happening at max rate, plus keeping good interactive response times while bulk transfers are busy. Packaged for Debian, read /usr/share/doc/wondershaper/README.Debian after installation. See also <lartc>.
21:39<naicamine>good deal
21:39<Sidicas>I did mine manually from a HOWTO... lol.. Never tried this wondershaper
21:39<Sidicas>Probably could have saved me about 10 hours of learning haha
21:40<Sidicas>But learning is most of the fun...
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21:40<naicamine>yah well i dont always trust a scirpt anyway
21:40<naicamine>systems are too different
21:40<Judoka>have you guys heard about new worm Stuxnet?
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21:41<na5uta-work_>tell me about
21:41<Judoka>it's a o-day virus
21:41<Judoka>that uses windows vulnaribility
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21:42<Judoka>vulnaribility has to do with the desktop shortcuts
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21:43<Judoka>i was wondering if anyone tried to check their windows computer security
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21:43<Judoka>using this info
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21:44<naicamine>hmm thats interestnig
21:45<Judoka>yeah i thought so too
21:45<abrotman>Judoka: wrong channel, try #debian-offtopic
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21:46<Judoka>sorry dude
21:46<securityxxxpert>just curious but is compiz broken in debian? I installed it great on my laptop which has the 256.35 x86 nvidia driver, and my desktop which has 256.35 keeps saying compiz is broken and wont install. Any ideas?
21:47<abrotman>use a pastebin to show us
21:47<na5uta-work_>yeah, keep this channel clear only for debian stuff :-D
21:47<Judoka>how do i get to debian-offtopic?
21:47*securityxxxpert uses Debian only
21:47<abrotman>Judoka: /join #debian-offtopic
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21:48<na5uta-work_>you try the compiz-check script?
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21:49<abrotman>securityxxxpert: you shuld be using aptitude .. `aptitude update && aptitude install compiz`
21:49<abrotman>or whatever the packages are
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21:50<securityxxxpert>abrotman: what's the difference between apititude and apt-get? I recently moved from ubuntu so i'm still learning
21:50<dpkg>i guess aptitude is a terminal-based package manager that can be used in a command-line mode (aptitude install foo ; aptitude remove goo) as well as a text user interface mode (just run "aptitude"). Ask me about <why aptitude> <why not aptitude> <aptitude-fu> <aptitude ops> or see
21:50<abrotman>!why aptitude
21:50<dpkg>aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution and will often find a solution where apt-get gives up. It can be used from the command line like apt-get plus an interactive resolver makes it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. It has advanced search capabilities (see <aptitude search>).
21:52<na5uta-work_><securityxxxpert> you are on lenny?
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21:54<Sidicas>I prefer synaptic to aptitude myself though...
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21:55<naicamine>not me, but im a cli guy
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21:56<securityxxxpert>na5uta-work: ypu
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21:58<na5uta-work_><securityxxxpert> you have something from squeeze or sid installed?
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21:59<na5uta-work_>have you changed the source.list?
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21:59<na5uta-work_>sounds like that
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22:00<securityxxxpert>na5uta-work: Squeeze or Sid? I ran aptitude and it seemed to correct my problem, i'm fixing to test it though. one second
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22:03<na5uta-work_>be carefull with sid and aptitude, it can crsh your system
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22:03<abrotman>what does aptitude have to do with it?
22:03<securityxxxpert>na5uta-work: how so? I just did the aptitude install bit
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22:04<grzeslaw> have anybody idea why my kernel cann't build?
22:04<na5uta-work_>i have in the past troubles with aptitude in sid, it delete automatic packets....
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22:05<grzeslaw>ouu sory:
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22:05<securityxxxpert>compiz is working now
22:05<abrotman>grzeslaw: dpkg -l gcc .. what is the version ?
22:06<securityxxxpert>na5uta-work: so basically what your saying is with apititude much like great power comes with great responability?
22:06<grzeslaw>abrotman: gcc -v 4.3.2
22:06<abrotman>that wasn't what i asked
22:06<abrotman>and why are you compiling a kenrel at all ?
22:07<abrotman>and why are you compiling a kernel at all ?
22:08<na5uta-work_><securityxxxpert> i like apt-get more, in some debian-based distros is apt-get the only choice
22:08<grzeslaw>I'am not proffesional in compiling kernel.. first compile at all which I think is required. .and then... delete carefully one by one
22:08<securityxxxpert>na5uta-work: well compiz works itself, but I can't open the settings manager, when I click on it nothing happens
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22:09<grzeslaw>abrotman: : how to u know what i compile in? ;-)
22:09<abrotman>you didn't answer my question
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22:09<na5uta-work_><securityxxxpert> you have the fusion-icon installed?
22:10<grzeslaw>abrotman: : sory I don't understand your question ... what do u mean "at all" ?
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22:10<securityxxxpert>na5uta-work: yup, I can rotate the desktop, I have wobbly windows as well
22:10<abrotman>grzeslaw: why do you think you need to compile a kernel?
22:10<na5uta-work_>right click on the fusion-icon?
22:11<securityxxxpert>na5uta-work: that's what I did, and I clicked on settings, but nothing opens up
22:11<grzeslaw>bcuz... i need to change my cpu frequency.. cuz was compiled before with 250Mhz and the machine is not so efficient
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22:12<na5uta-work_>i belive in a terminl its ccsm
22:12<na5uta-work_>yes do that in terminal
22:12<securityxxxpert>well that's odd
22:12<grzeslaw>abrotman: I have dell r310 server which is a gaming platform
22:13<securityxxxpert>I clicked the terminal
22:13<na5uta-work_>it works?
22:13<securityxxxpert>and it showed up in the top left corner without any way of moving it
22:13<securityxxxpert>let me kill x and try again
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22:14<securityxxxpert>no that's the wrong command
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22:14<na5uta-work_>what?! for me work ccsm
22:15<na5uta-work_>i have compiz installed
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22:15<securityxxxpert>want me to show you the paste bin?
22:15<securityxxxpert>na5uta-work: i'm curious should I try to install compiz from lenny backports?
22:16<na5uta-work_>sorry man, i installed it from squeeze, dont know.
22:17<na5uta-work_>i think i cant help you with lenny, have never running a lenny....
22:17<securityxxxpert>you got a link?
22:17<securityxxxpert>is squeeze a distro of debian?
22:17<securityxxxpert>or a window manager
22:17<securityxxxpert>the paste bin is here:
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22:17<na5uta-work_>what?! you are kidding me?
22:18<grzeslaw>abrotman: : i check the include/generated/utsrelease.h and the version is good. So I have no idea what can it be now [;
22:18<na5uta-work_>have you try to install sexy-python ?
22:18<na5uta-work_><securityxxxpert> ^
22:19<securityxxxpert>na5uta-work: package doesn't exist
22:19<moldovean>, versions compizconfig-settings-manager
22:19<judd>compizconfig-settings-manager -- lenny: 0.7.6-3; sid: 0.8.4-2; squeeze: 0.8.4-2
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22:21<na5uta-work_>sorry, i have to now, its my work it over for this day. bye
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22:22<securityxxxpert>anyone else have any ideas?
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22:31<grzeslaw>i solved this issue by coping include/generated/utsrelease.h to include/linux/ ;]
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22:45<securityxxxpert>what's the best way to get the most up to date packages with Debian?
22:46<dpkg>Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>.
22:46<orion>Hola a todos, actualmente mi sistema es debian lenny 5 con kernel 2.6.30, he instalado un servidor pero para trabajo didactico, aprender, lo he montado con apache 2 php 5, MySQL y PHPMyAdmin.
22:47<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat
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22:51<chrisreich> dpkg what is ssb?
22:51<dpkg>First, check for a backport on <>. If unavailable: 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list 2) enable (see <bpo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
22:52<orion> #debian-es con /join #debian-es
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23:04<securityxxxpert>any of you guys know how to mount a external SATA drive?
23:05<VelvetElvis>What find/xargs string do I need to use to traverse a directory and gunzip every gzipped file found in the directory and all subdirs? I should be able to figure this out but it's late and I've had a couple beers, etc.
23:06<VelvetElvis>how does it connect?
23:08<sney>securityxxxpert: it should just show up as a device name when you connect it, and then you mount it as usual
23:08<sney>you can dmesg |tail after connecting to see what the device name is, though it's usually predictable
23:09<securityxxxpert>sney: That's suppose to work for eSATA as well?
23:10<sney>all eSATA is is a SATA port on the outside of the computer. SATA being hotplug, it's all the same behaviour
23:10<securityxxxpert>didn't mount
23:10<securityxxxpert>do I have to turn the external on before booting the pc?
23:11<sney>it may not do it automatically, just look at dmesg to see if it was detected, then you can mount it yourself with 'mount'
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23:11<securityxxxpert>said invalid mount option
23:11<sney>what did you try exactly
23:13<sney>VelvetElvis: something like for i in find -name *.gz; do gunzip $i; done
23:13<sney>er, find /foo/bar -name *.gz
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23:15<mylky>hello from Abidjan
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23:16<VelvetElvis>I figured it out close enough based on an example find . -type f -exec gunzip '{}' \;
23:16<mylky>Please, how can I find the number of head on my 4G usb key? I need this to find the number of cynlinder
23:18<sney>mylky: what are you trying to do?
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23:18<securityxxxpert>sney: I turned on the drive, and it said "invalid mount option"
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23:19<sney>where did it say that, securityxxxpert
23:20<mylky>I try to instal backtrak or any distrib live... up to now I get a boot error on my usb... tested with debian et backtrack... I think i need to format with the correct number of cylinders
23:21<mylky>df does not help
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23:21<sney>fdisk shows C/H/S but you might not get useful numbers for a flash drive, since they don't actually have cylinders or heads
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23:21<securityxxxpert>sney: right when I flipped the switch of the external on
23:21<securityxxxpert>a box popped up saying that
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23:22<sney>ok, well open a terminal and do dmesg |tail, maybe there will be some more useful information
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23:24<securityxxxpert>sney: even when I turned on my usb external
23:24<securityxxxpert>same thing
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23:24<mylky>well I read fdisk message and that's why I though it could be the number of cynlinder not set right... it's set to 1983 now more than 1024 I reduce the number as it's not used by linux... thx
23:25<sney>securityxxxpert: I can't help you if you won't do what I ask.
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23:26<sney>mylky: yes, that's normal, your problem lies elsewhere.
23:26<securityxxxpert>sney: Unless I missed something you didn't suggest anything
23:26<sney>securityxxxpert: for the third time, open a terminal and do dmesg |tail
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23:27<securityxxxpert>sney: i've done that about four times now
23:27<securityxxxpert>would you like the paste bin
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23:29<mylky>ok I'll try once more and go to sleep... Newton told me you could get solution while sleeping ;)
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23:29<sney>securityxxxpert: does your external drive have more than one partition? also, what filesystem are you using?
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23:29<securityxxxpert>the external to my knowledge is default, so I guess that's ntfs
23:30*sney tosses a hot potato to ml|
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23:30<securityxxxpert>sney: and only one partion, I haven't altered the external in anyway
23:30<sney>securityxxxpert: ok, do you have ntfs-3g installed?
23:31<securityxxxpert>probably not
23:31<securityxxxpert>let me check
23:32<securityxxxpert>sney: just installed it
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23:35<securityxxxpert>sney: what now?
23:36<sney>hotplug may work now
23:37<securityxxxpert>do I need to reboot?
23:37<sney>if it doesn't you can try 'ntfs-3g /dev/sdc1 /mnt/disk' as root
23:37<sney>you shouldn't but it can't hurt
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23:39<sney>linux usually doesn't need reboots but sometimes udev gets confused
23:42<securityxxxpert>sney: Is there a difference between single user kernel and the default one?
23:43<sney>securityxxxpert: single user is the rough equivalent of safe mode
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23:45<securityxxxpert>sney: was curious because I have encrypted LVM setup and the default one didn't show my password prompt for some reason
23:45<securityxxxpert>the safe mode did ironically
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23:46<norbert_>hi, I'm trying to change the F12 key to give me "emacs" in text
23:46<securityxxxpert>sney: anyway to add that to my fstab
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23:46<norbert_>I tried changing a defkeymap.kmap.gz and ran loadkeys ./defkeymap.kmap.gz
23:46<norbert_>but this doesn't appear to be working; any ideas?
23:47<sney>securityxxxpert: unfortunately, having a user accessible ntfs volume in fstab either requires a large security hole or a pain in the ass. You're on your own for both.
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23:48<securityxxxpert>sney no big
23:48<securityxxxpert>I can mount it when needed
23:48<securityxxxpert>sney: thank you very much for all your help
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23:48<sney>no problem
23:49<sney>and a little constructive criticism: consider changing your irc name to something a little less ego, at least until you learn the ropes some more
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23:50<securityxxxpert>sney: what makes you think I don't know security? lol
23:50<securityxxxpert>I use to know it really well once upon a time, then I stepped away from it for 2 years completly. Alot of things have changed
23:50<sney>you could be a ccnp for all I know, but having anything 'xpert' in your name when you're asking for help seems a bit arrogant
23:50<sney>especially when it's basic stuff
23:51<sney>I don't really mind personally, but a lot of the guys around here aren't as lenient
23:51<securityxxxpert>sney: I came from Ubuntu. It's a little bit different
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23:51<securityxxxpert>sney: I appreciate the advice but i'm not really worried. I could care less what anyone thinks of my nickname personally
23:51<sney>suit yourself
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23:56<frobe>is it ok to pst youtube vids in here
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23:56<grzeslaw>when I recompile kernel to remove one driver permantntly compiled. and make is as module.. Do i need to make clean in kernel root dir?
23:56<grzeslaw>and make all compilation from start ?
23:57<frobe>isnt the key word ther modular
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