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---Logopened Wed Jul 21 00:00:08 2010
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00:51<EmleyMoor>Is there anything I could set up on my laptop which might encourage the wireless network to stay connected?
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01:03<tomg>Emley: Keepalive? Why would your wireless disconnect?
01:03<compaq>how do you send an email with exim4, can you show me a sample command?
01:04<EmleyMoor>tomg: I actually suspect that the signal may be the problem, thinking about it... though it shows good, it's only running at 5Mb/s
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01:05<tomg>compaq: sendmail root </etc/fstab
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01:06<tomg>Emleymoor: okay. I don't know, that kind of stuff is beyond my knowledge currently
01:07<tomg>compaq: You can also use mailx--actually the mail command
01:07<EmleyMoor>I'm tempted to ty relocating it, if I can find a safe, convenient place
01:07<compaq>tomg how do I know what email accounts are on the server?
01:08<tomg>compaq: cat /etc/passwd
01:08<EmleyMoor>compaq: What are you trying to do?
01:08<compaq>I want to send an email from my computer to my gmail account
01:08<tomg>compaq: not really, but if it's an ordinary user on the system then it's an e-mail address also, unless you have something else going on like virtual domains
01:09<compaq>tomg, no, I don't have any virtual domains. So I use my system user name? ?
01:09<EmleyMoor>compaq: That's the sort of thing you'd do with mail or mutt, typically. exim is the lower level that actually does the work
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01:10<tomg>Emley: are you using wireless b perhaps?
01:10<EmleyMoor>tomg: Supposed to be g or even n
01:11<EmleyMoor>(b only support is off on my router)
01:11<compaq>EmleyMoor, yeah, so I would use mail, but mail needs a server to use. And so when I setup the server, exim, then I want to test do I know what my email address is in the firstplace, or how do I create one?
01:11<tomg>compaq: exim makes an e-mail address for every user on the system automatically
01:11<EmleyMoor>compaq: If you've set it up as per the normal instructions it is at least mostly done
01:11<compaq>tomg, I see
01:12<tomg>compaq: what I said was not technically accurrate, but it saves on explanation
01:12<tomg>also my spelling is not accurate
01:12<tomg>compaq: You're over-doing it. If you install exim everything's done
01:12<compaq>EmleyMoor, can you show me an example of how to use mail
01:13<tomg>command with output | mail -s 'example subject'
01:13<compaq>tomg, where does the body of the email go?
01:13<compaq>tomg, oh command with output is the body
01:14<tomg>well, you can pipe it in like I tried to show in the example, or you can read it in from a file that's already created with shell redirection... yeesss :-)
01:14<compaq>tomg, like: echo "hey man, mail from debian" | mail -s 'testing'
01:15<tomg>compaq: that would work
01:15<compaq>tomg, ok thanks, I am gonna try it
01:15<tomg>be careful with this command though, you don't want to accidentally send yourself, or worse, someone else
01:15<tomg>a million e-mails or something
01:15<compaq>EmleyMoor, thanks for your help
01:15<tomg>you're welcome
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01:19<compaq>gmail says you gotta smtp through your isp
01:20<compaq>can you pipe pdf rtf or html files too
01:20<tomg>yeah I guess you'd have to send through your ISP
01:20<tomg>yeah, but they may not surive and be careful
01:22<compaq>yep, I changed to smart host, and gmail accept. works flawless, sweet, thanks again
01:23<tomg>I have the powerrrrrr
01:23<compaq>ooooohh yeeahhhhh Macho Maaaan Randyyyyyyyyy Saaaaaavage
01:23*tomg laughs
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01:36<tomg>well good night
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01:36<compaq>good night
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02:40<amphibulus>hello, newbie of debian, i´m installing debian 5.0.5 and I´ve test the testing branch, i have a problem with my 2 wireless antennas, when I try to install debian ask me for the firmware, and it can be downloaded, But the problem is that i don´t have internet on my home, I use the one of a free router... And trying to find firmwares in the page, cannot seem
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02:41<amphibulus>to find the right firmware for my cards, my card is 8187L and the other one is intel pro 5100
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02:43<dpkg>iwlagn is the driver for the Intel Wireless WiFi Link (4965AGN, 5100AGN, 5300AGN, 5350AGN, 5150AGN, 1000BGN, 6000AGN, 6250AGN) series of devices. Included in mainline Linux kernels since 2.6.27. Lenny users: ask me about <bpo> to install a later kernel image package containing this driver. Firmware is required, ask me about <iwlagn firmware> to provide.
02:43<dpkg>[rtl-wifi] the Realtek Linux 802.11b/g wireless LAN drivers, included in mainline Linux kernels. Supports the RTL8180, RTL8185 and RTL8187 chipsets; RTL8187B as of Linux 2.6.27. Drivers do not require firmware from userspace. See for more information. For support of the RTL8187SE chipset, ask me about <rtl8187se>. For support of Realtek 802.11n devices, ask me about <rtl819x>.
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02:44<amphibulus>so, my question is: You answer me, thank you very much. jm_ thanks a lot..
02:45<jm_>amphibulus: no worries
02:49<amphibulus>very nice document... Newbie, but willing to have debian for a long time... getting ubuntu out (nice but wanna help debian) at least reporting bugs...
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02:55<amphibulus>finally I see the light on linux, many distros and everyone is pushing the boundries. Windows is out, hopefully in 3 or 4 years... power to the people!
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02:56<amphibulus>bye guys, going to install debian now (again) be happy, life´s all we got.
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04:02<alank>hi all, any debian-exim4 guru's about? - I'm having problems with 4.69-9 not creating the files in the /scan/ directory
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04:17<petemc>alank: what do the logs say?
04:18<alank>petemc: thanks, I finally found it, I was missing a demime = * before running bogofilter in the acl
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04:18<petemc>all good
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04:41<Kerem>is there any good way to remake the shadowfiles from the /etc/passwd /etc/group and /etc/shadow
04:42<Kerem>"group **** is a shadow group, but does not exist in /etc/group"
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04:43<jm_>tools like grpconf/grpunconv might help
04:44<jm_>grpconv even
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04:56<Kerem>thx jm_ helped :>
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05:05<Guest718>hello world
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05:21<pavi>Does any one have some presentation materials for 'debian the project' ?
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06:12<Spydaw>anyone with good apache knowledge ?
06:13<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
06:13<babilen>Spydaw: You might want to try #httpd on
06:14<Spydaw>no is a linux thing ... i wanted to know if i did an "apache reload" (SIGUSR1) if there is any interruption in service ?
06:15<Spydaw>i have searched the net and dont fully inderstand the SIGUSR1 ..
06:15<petemc>reload shouldnt interrupt service, restart might
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06:15<kooll>Spydaw: it's more of an apache thing. And, no, no interruption in service if you reload apache
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06:16<Spydaw>kooll: even if someone was writing to a DB when i did the reload .. that would not cause any isses right ?
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06:17<Spydaw>cool, thanks so much for your help ;)
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06:40<sKeith>apt-get install sun-java6-jdk fails with couldn't find package. can anyone offer assistence
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06:42<babilen>sKeith: It is in non-free, do you have that enabled? You might also consider installing openjdk-6-jdk ...
06:43<babilen>sKeith: If you want to debug that issue paste the output of "apt-cache policy" and "apt-cache policy sun-java6-jdk" to
06:43<dpkg>hmm... non-free is a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>, or are encumbered by patents or other legal issues. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed on your system, ask me about <vrms>. For the non-free tracking system, see
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06:43<sKeith>babilen, i dont have non-free enable as this is fresh machine. I am installing jira and i specifically asks for sun-java
06:43<dpkg>OpenJDK is Sun's open source release of <Java>. All required functionality (according to the J2SE spec) is present but some optional stuff is missing and some stuff uses different implementations from Sun's binary JDK. Install the openjdk-6-jre package for the runtime environment or openjdk-6-jdk for the development kit. #openjdk on
06:44<babilen>,depends jira
06:44<judd>Sorry, no package named 'jira' was found in lenny/i386.
06:44<babilen>,depends libjira-client-perl
06:44<judd>Sorry, no package named 'libjira-client-perl' was found in lenny/i386.
06:44<babilen>,depends libjira-client-perl --release testing
06:44<judd>libjira-client-perl -- depends: perl, libsoap-lite-perl.
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06:46<sKeith>adding non-free to sources worked like a charm, thanks babilen.
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06:46<sKeith>judd, jira is a java bug tracking program by atlassian
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06:48<babilen>sKeith: judd is a bot :) - You are sure that their package is specifically requesting Sun's jdk? (I would consider such a package broken, but well ...) -- Just enable non-free and install it
06:48<babilen>sKeith: Great!
06:48<dpkg>Another happy customer leaves the building.
06:48<sKeith>maybe their install documentation is just old.
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06:49<Myth>helly everyone. I need some help fixing my dedicated server.
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06:49<zumbi>hi - I am on a lenny box with sources.list pointing lenny souce mirrors. Is there any debian tool I can use to download source packages from another suite (e.g unstable) without being root?
06:50<babilen>Myth: Just ask your question? What is the problem?
06:50<Myth>since a couple of days now my server suddenly lost the ability to resolve hostnames. I did not change, or alter any configuration or program. It just stopped working
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06:50<zumbi>Myth: check /etc/resolv.conf have the right nameservers
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06:51<Myth>I think the nameserver i used might have gone down, but my attempts to change to a different nameserver were futile
06:51<jm_>zumbi: try specifying alternate sources.list file via Dir::Etc::SourceList setting
06:51<babilen>zumbi: "apt-get source pkg" does not require root privileges ...
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06:51<zumbi>babilen: but sources.list points to lenny and I can not modify
06:51<babilen>zumbi: And you can add "deb-src" lines for all branches/suites that you are interested in
06:51<zumbi>jm_: thanks, that might do the trick
06:51<jm_>zumbi: also debget shall work I think
06:52<zumbi>babilen: sources.list is owned by r00t
06:52<babilen>zumbi: Ah, you can't edit "your" sources list, which rules out that approach. You might want to ask your system administrator to enable *source* access to other branches
06:52<jm_>yeah debget pulls from unstable by default
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06:53<zumbi>babilen: jm_ is in the right track :) -- thanks both
06:53<babilen>zumbi: Yeah - I just assumed that you have root access :)
06:54<babilen>Have fun!
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06:54*zumbi grins
06:54<Myth>my server's domain is "" , the nameserver I would like to change it to is '' or My resolve.conf has the following lines: "search" and "nameserver"
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06:55<Myth>the file /etc/network/interfaces also has those 2 lines. Though small changes
06:55<Myth>dns-nameserver and dns-search
06:56<babilen>Myth: I can query that nameserver without problems - Does "dig @" work for you?
06:56<babilen>Myth: What about "dig" (dig is in the dnsutils package)
06:56<Myth>hmm, nope. It doesnt
06:57<Myth>dig works
06:58<babilen>Myth: OK, it seems as if you have problems to connect to that nameserver. Do you have a firewall running? Can you ping it? What is the error you get with the "dig @..." command?
06:58<babilen>but i'm hungry right now and will have lunch ... :-\
06:58<Myth>I can ping it
06:58<Myth>but gonna reboot the server once first
06:58<Myth>cause i did make some changes before
06:58<Myth>might affect the dig outcome
06:59<babilen>Myth: You might want to play with tcp/udp settings of dig ... also run it with +trace ...
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07:00<Myth>the settings i said that were in my resolv.conf and such were the ones i used before. But bene trying different configurations since. I put them back now and am rebooting the server. So i can be 100% sure if i say it doesnt work, it doesn't work.
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07:02<Myth>Is it normal btw for a dedicated to take 10 to 15 minutes to reboot?
07:02<Myth>always scary moments :p
07:02<babilen>Does "" or "" work?
07:02<babilen>Myth: 10-15minutes? No, i wouldn't consider that normal unless a fsck run is necessary ....
07:02<Myth>will try once the server is up and running again
07:03<Myth>weird. Think it has always taken that long for my dedicated to reboot
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07:03<Myth>but thats not my concern atm :)
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07:04<babilen>Myth: those are the two of the three authorative name servers for -- but you could also use "" or "" which are free name servers if that solves your problem (the former is operated by and the latter by Google)
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07:05<Myth>and i should be changing those settings in both resolv.conf and /etc/network/interfaces, yes?
07:05<babilen>they are very fast and might be a good (intermediate) solution - not sure why you can't connect to "your" name server though. You might also want to try different dig options, like contacting it via TCP instead of UDP (+tcp)
07:05<Myth>the documentation i find on the net always only mentions resolv.conf
07:06<Olangu>Hi! A short question. Whats the "standard" way to force unload modules before hibernation/suspension? I have a module that crashes all of the usb subsystem when coming back from hibernation...
07:06<babilen>Myth: I would just try them with dig first, and you can then change them in those two files
07:06<Myth>server up again btw, gonna try out the commands now
07:06<babilen>Myth: Good luck - I'll be back later ... If you don't get help here you might want to try ##networking and/or #debian on
07:06<Myth>ok, thanks for the info
07:07*babilen is waiting another second :)
07:07<Myth>dig @
07:08<Myth>I can ping all those ip's you mentioned
07:08<Myth>but nslookup still fails
07:08<Myth>accept for
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07:08<babilen>Myth: Ok, I would just use that server .. it might take a while to diagnose the problem with, but if and work for you - who cares?
07:09<Myth>k, i'll try changing it
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07:11<babilen>until later ...
07:11<Myth>bye. Thanks once more
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07:11<Myth>really appreciated
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07:12<zumbi>Myth: solved?
07:12<Myth>changing my resolv.conf now
07:13<Myth>but using dig @ worked
07:13<Myth>while using it with my current nameserver did not
07:13<Myth>so looks hopeful
07:13<zumbi>great - just try, it is either that or a firewall (sudo iptables -L -n; sudo iptables -t nat -L -n)
07:14<Myth>k, rebooting server again now
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07:15<zumbi>Myth: you do not need to reboot, this is not win32
07:15<zumbi>Myth: only case you need to reboot, it is when changing kernel :)
07:15<Myth>alternate option is /etc/init.d/networking restart
07:15<Myth>no ?
07:15<Myth>or i really have to do nothing?
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07:17<zumbi>Myth: you can try restart networking in some cases, but just changing nameserver should be enough
07:17<Myth>My linux knowledge is very limited. Just renting a dedicated with some friends. And i'm the one managing it as good as i can. But before we had this dedicated I had never really used linux at all
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07:18<Myth>and as long as it runs ok, i don't change things on it :p
07:18<Myth>but each problem i've faced did increase my knowledge :)
07:18<zumbi>Myth: well... you'll learn.. it is fun. I would recommend you test a live cd or something on your desktop too
07:19<zumbi>!why debian
07:19<dpkg>Debian strives to maintain your freedom whilst also paying close attention to the technical aspects of making a great OS. Debian is stable, upgradable and well tested. See also (archived at As an added bonus, you get to ask questions in #debian.
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07:20<dpkg>The Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. As of squeeze, the images can be installed with d-i. #debian-live on
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07:20<Myth>did do that a couple of times, but once i had everything configured i ran out of stuff to do :)
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07:21<Myth>do have a htpc at home now running linux
07:21<Myth>anyhow, server up and running again
07:21<Myth>small improvement, but still not working as it should
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07:21<Myth>if i do nslookup, i get immediat responce, but : Non-authoritative answer: *** Can't find No answer
07:21<Myth>while before, it used to hang for a while
07:22<zumbi>Myth: ping
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07:23<Myth>neo:~# ping ----> PING ( 56(84) bytes of data.
07:23<Myth>this isn't normal i think
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07:23<Myth>why did it attach at the end
07:24<zumbi>Myth: hostname?
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07:24<zumbi>sudo hostname neo
07:25<zumbi>what is ping doing now?
07:25<zumbi>can you paste resolv.conf? -- try to remove the search line
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07:27<Myth>removed the search line
07:27<Myth>if i now do ping, i get :
07:27<Myth>ping: unknown host
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07:28<zumbi>nameserver -- does not seem to work?
07:29<Myth>using neo:~# dig @ works
07:29<zumbi>Myth: try to add 'nameserver'
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07:29<Myth>i can now ping to
07:30<zumbi>great! it is working then :)
07:30<Myth>think so, hold on
07:30<zumbi>Myth: you had a couple issues, one with hostname and the other with nameservers.
07:30<Myth>weird thing is it really just suddenly stopped working
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07:31<Myth>i wasn't even logged in to the shell
07:31<zumbi>Myth: now, homework, you need to find out how to make them persistent
07:31<Myth>lol, alright
07:31<zumbi>Myth: hint: have a look to /etc/hosts
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07:33<zumbi>Myth: yeap.. line 2
07:33<zumbi> is no good
07:34<babilen>Myth: I guess that your problem is related to the "search" stanza in your /etc/resolv.conf and "dns-search" in /e/n/i -- try removing that and it should work. You can then use either one of the's nameserver or (google) or You also want to change your /etc/hosts to include " localhost" and " neo"
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07:36<babilen>Myth: /etc/hosts entires *have* to start with the canonical hostname and *then* list aliases
07:36<zumbi>uhm.. well, i am unsure here, but having domain in the hostname with no proper set up can cause problems
07:36<zumbi>Myth: yeap - babilen is right
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07:38<Myth>not exactly following atm :p
07:38<Myth>u mean has the be the top one?
07:38<babilen>Myth: hang on ...
07:39<Myth>removed the dns-search from the /network/interfaces in the mean time
07:40<babilen>Myth: I mean:
07:40<Myth>So the 2 lines i had were incorrect?
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07:41<Myth>ir i need to add those of urs to the ones i alreayd had
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07:41<babilen>Just use the file I pasted in lieu of your /etc/hosts
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07:42<Myth>is it possible i need to restart php btw, if i changed resolv.conf?
07:42<Myth>causr the dns issues seem to be fixed with my console commands
07:42<Myth>but a website i am running still had problems with it
07:43<jm_>restart your web server
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07:45<Myth>did, but no luck.
07:45<babilen>Myth: "service apache2 restart" ("service apache2 reload" *might* be enough) -- assuming you use apache2 :)
07:45<Myth>did /etc/init.d/apache2 restart
07:45<babilen>Myth: But you can now resolve hostnames with "dig host", "nslookup" and "ping host" without problems?
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07:46<babilen>Myth: /etc/init.d/apache2 restart == service apache2 restart
07:46<babilen>same thing
07:46<Myth>thought so
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07:46<Myth>but yh, dig, nslookup, ping
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07:46<Myth>all works
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07:47<marcio>qula irq do debian no brasil?
07:47<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
07:47<babilen>marcio: Looking for that ^^^^ ?
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07:47<Myth>anyhow. Think i'll try to look into the website issue myself now first
07:47<Myth>Don't wanna take the lazy option now
07:47<Myth>zumbi: babilen thanks for the help!
07:48<Myth>already made a huge step forward now :)
07:48<babilen>great -- let us know when you run into new problems
07:48<babilen>have fun
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07:48<Myth>will do :) thanks!
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07:48<zumbi>Myth: great! :) - if changes are not persistent, next reboot, all might screw up again
07:49<babilen>too late :-\
07:49<zumbi>jm_: I did tricky stuff to get unstable sources, it is working with some mkdirs and ..
07:49<zumbi>jm_: apt-get -o Dir::Etc="/home/zumbi" -o Dir::Etc::SourceList="sources.list" -o Dir::Cache=/tmp -o Dir::State=/tmp update
07:49<jm_>zumbi: did you try debget instead?
07:49<zumbi>jm_: but i get E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13 Permission denied)
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07:50<zumbi>do you know if there is any way to change dpkg cache dirs?
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07:50<zumbi>jm_: no, did not try debget, it is not installed (tricky when you are not root)
07:51<zumbi>-bash: debget: command not found
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07:51<dpkg>*** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. If someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get or aptitude.
07:51<babilen>zumbi: "aptitude install debget" ;)
07:51<babilen>,versions debget
07:51<judd>debget -- etch: 1.6; lenny: 1.6+nmu1; sid: 1.6+nmu1; squeeze: 1.6+nmu1
07:52<jm_>zumbi: it's a script so you should be able to pu tit in say ~/bin
07:52<zumbi>babilen: aptitude does not work. I am not root
07:52<babilen>zumbi: Just download the .deb and unpack it (to a temporary directory) with "dpkg -x debget-yadda-yadda.deb"
07:52<jm_>zumbi: not sure if dpkg can be changed, it does have a few options to specify different directories so that may help
07:53<zumbi>jm_: it has --root option, might do the trick
07:53<babilen>zumbi: Place the script into ~/bin and include that in your PATH (i.e. "export PATH=$HOME/bin:$PATH" in .bashrc -- you might want to check for the existence of ~/bin first)
07:54<zumbi>babilen: thanks, i am more interested on not depending on debget
07:54<babilen>pray continue with the "--root" option and may that work out well
07:54<zumbi>babilen: yes, i have ~/bin working here :)
07:54<jm_>zumbi: yup
07:54<babilen>zumbi: (great - i've just learned *never* to assume too much about people coming here)
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07:56<jm_>zumbi: or even --admindir
07:56<jm_>(just that)
07:56<zumbi>babilen: i like to fiddle with apt/dpkg caches :) -- btw, i can't pass --root to dpkg from apt command line
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07:57<zumbi>jm_: it is working, it is just barfing that stupid message on dpkg cache
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07:58<jm_>zumbi: you mean lock?
07:58<Myth>zumbi: babilen
07:58<Myth>problems are solved
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07:58<zumbi>jm_: yes, dpkg lock, but it is when downloading source
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07:59<babilen>Myth: Yay \o/
07:59<babilen>!win Myth
07:59<dpkg>Congratulations, Myth! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120!
07:59<zumbi>jm_: I can do apt-get -o Dir::Etc="/home/zumbi" -o Dir::Etc::SourceList="sources.list" -o Dir::Cache=/tmp -o Dir::State=/tmp update
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08:00<zumbi>apt-get -o Dir::Etc="/home/zumbi" -o Dir::Etc::SourceList="sources.list" -o Dir::Cache=/tmp -o Dir::State=/tmp source binutils
08:00<Myth>thanks once again. Really appreciated :)
08:00<jm_>zumbi: how complicated ;)
08:00<zumbi>it works, but dpkg lock should not be reported
08:00<Myth>i'm off now. gonna go and enjoy the rest of my day off
08:00<Myth>hug :)
08:00<zumbi>Myth: bye -- congrats
08:00<babilen>Myth: *hug* -- go swimming :)
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08:02<babilen>zumbi: You might want to define an alias for that (who wants to type that all the time?)
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08:04<zumbi>babilen: hehe.. yeah.. i'll tight up afterwards on a script :)
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08:06<zumbi>yeap, maybe that's it
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08:07<babilen>"All I know is my guts say maybe"
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08:10<zumbi>fyi: having a look to debget, it is a perl script, but it has a library :/
08:10<jm_>yeah a module
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08:11<zumbi>any idea on how to run perl script with that module as non root?
08:11<jm_>you can put it in perl path or modify where perl looks for it: use lib "/home/zumbi/bin";
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08:12<jm_>perl -V lists default search paths (but won't work for you since they are all root owned dirs)
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08:14<jm_>ahh -I also works
08:14<zumbi>jm_: I get Can't locate Proc/ in @INC (@INC contains: /home/zumbi/bin/lib
08:15<zumbi>so I guess I am missing depends
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08:15<jm_>zumbi: do you have libproc-waitstat-perl installed?
08:15<jm_>yeah it depends on it
08:15<zumbi>not installed
08:15<babilen>,depends debget
08:15<judd>debget -- depends: perl (>= 5.6.0-16), libapt-pkg-perl, libnet-perl, libproc-waitstat-perl, libwww-perl.
08:15<jm_>right not as easy as I thought (didn't look at dependenceis before)
08:16<babilen>I'm sure that there is some perl magix that enables you to install libraries/programs from CPAN easily ...
08:16<zumbi>well.. debget looks quite nice.. I'll have a look to it. And tweaking APT cache did actually work :)
08:17<jm_>yeah man CPAN
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08:22<craigevil>you can use the various perl modules from your /home take a look at
08:23<zumbi>craigevil: thanks
08:24<zumbi>jm_: I am looking to -o dpkg::options::='--root /tmp'
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08:30<zumbi>jm_: -o Debug::NoLocking=true does the trick! I got it! :P
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08:32<jm_>zumbi: ahh I somehow thought there is an option but forgot to look in configure-index.gz
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08:42<babilen>Can anybody think of a way to force programs (like pidgin, ...) to always start maximised and not docked to a (non-existing) dock/panel?
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08:44<bram>Hi all - I'm trying to force a remote machine to do an fsck of it's root file system on next boot, including automatic error fixing
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08:45<bram>I have set FSCKFIX=yes in /etc/default/rcS
08:45<bram>and then touched /forcefsck
08:45<babilen>... I would have suggested that :-\
08:45<babilen>any problems?
08:45<dpkg>To instruct your system to execute <fsck> on the next boot: "touch /forcefsck". Useful for checking the root filesystem for errors (via /etc/init.d/ Alternatively, supply the -F option to shutdown(8) to create the /forcefsck advisory file, or include "forcefsck" at the kernel command line (Squeeze).
08:46<bram>strange thing is, after the boot, if I look at /var/log/checkfs
08:46<bram>It says:
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08:46<bram>Log of fsck -C -R -A -y
08:46<bram>at the top
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08:46<bram>-R (from man page) = When checking all file systems with the -A flag, skip the root file system (in case it's already mounted read-write)
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08:47<bram>and sure enough, it didn't find any problems
08:47<bram>I then ran fsck manually on the root drive
08:47<bram>said 'y' to the severe disk corruption warning
08:47<bram>and it found and fixed 3 errors
08:47<bram>My question is how I should have done this so that the fsck on boot actually checked the root partition
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08:50<sarc>jhutchins_lt: here is the paste for the package I am trying to install on the Lenny backport
08:50<gsimmons>bram: What about /var/log/fsck/checkroot?
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08:51<bram>^Cladbrokes@ESMAD_6_F803_p01:/var/log/fsck$ cat checkroot
08:51<bram>(Nothing has been logged yet.)
08:51<bram>nothing logged...
08:51<bram>is it something to do with fstab?
08:52<gsimmons>dpkg: tell sarc -about bat
08:52<bram>yeah it's fstab
08:52<bram>I have all 0's in the last column
08:52<bram>"If the sixth field is not present or zero, a value of zero is returned and fsck will assume that the filesystem does not need to be checked.
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08:58<jm_>follow the same thing for the package it complains about (e2fspro*)
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09:01<sarc>gsimmons, jm_:
09:02<babilen>,versions e2fslibs
09:02<judd>e2fslibs -- etch: 1.39+1.40-WIP-2006.11.14+dfsg-2etch1; etch-security: 1.39+1.40-WIP-2006.11.14+dfsg-2etch1; lenny: 1.41.3-1; sid: 1.41.12-2; squeeze: 1.41.12-2
09:02<jm_>sarc: Depends: e2fslibs (= 1.41.3-1) but 1.41.6-1~mtu1 is to be installed - find out where it's geetting this version from
09:02<jm_>where this is about 1.41.6-1~mtu1
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09:03<babilen>sarc: "apt-cache policy e2fslibs" should tell you
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09:04<jm_>ok so you installed it from somewhere in the past - you need to fix this, i.e. manually downgrade, but then you'll lose that other version
09:05<sarc>can i just apt-get remove on the package?
09:05<sarc>the one that's in lib
09:06<babilen>sarc: Probably - It might remove a couple of other packages that depend on it though.
09:06<babilen>It == That == Removing e2fslibs
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09:07<babilen>uh - looking at "apt-cache rdepends e2fslibs" does not convince me that removing that package is a good idea
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09:08<sarc>ha.. i just tried it and the warning does not give me the warm fuzzy feeling i was hoping for
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09:08<babilen>sarc: Just "dget e2fslibs" and install that package manually with "dpkg -i e2fslibs-yaday-yadda.deb"
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09:08<babilen>sarc: Ah, make it easier, just download it from
09:08<sarc>installing 2 versions of same package wont be an issue?
09:09<babilen>sarc: It will forcefully downgrade the installed version
09:09<sarc>ok, i can do this
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09:10<babilen>sarc: You can find dget in the "devscripts" package
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09:19<sarc>babilen: i get the sense this is going to be iterative
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09:20<sarc>babilen: do i need to downgrade all of these?
09:20<jordanm_>sarc: aptitude install -f
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09:22<sarc>babilen, jordanm_: ok, libarchive-dev appears to have installed
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09:23<sarc>gsimmons, babilen, jordanm_: ty
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11:08<han>quit [sleep]
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11:09<traveler>han: use /quit
11:10<han>thanks :)
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11:11<babilen>hehe :)
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11:16<sten>no luck connecting to my wlan w/ NM+its KDE frontend using a prism2.5 card (debian testing), NM cannot connect and asks for the secret. it works manually, and on another system w/ intel wlan and same NM 0.8 version; the syslog from a unsuccessful connect is
11:16<sten>how can I still connect?
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11:25<felixs>sten: ever thought of using wpa-supplicant to manage the wlan?
11:26<felixs>sten: that doesnt even depend on KDE and such things
11:27<babilen>sten: wpa-supplicant's roaming mode is quite nice -- another way would be to use wicd-curses which is also great
11:27<babilen>and your network connection does not break down whenever you logout of X
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11:32<felixs>babilen: wicd breaks the ifupdown mechanism and tries to reinvent the wheel, i wouldnt exactly recommend it.
11:33<babilen>As opposed to n-m?
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11:34<felixs>babilen: n-m? the gnome thing? no.
11:34<felixs>babilen: as opposed to wpasupplicant.
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11:37<babilen>felixs: yes and I agree with you that wpa_supplicant (especially in roaming mode) is a great way to handle one's WLAN. But a lot of people prefer graphical tools like N-M and wicd to wpa_supplicant... and I recommend wicd over network-mangler
11:40<sten>felixs, babilen: I haven't tried wpa-supplicant on this system, but its not for me, so I was trying to find an easy way to connect to wlan, and nm-kde fits into kde quite nicely
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11:41<felixs>babilen: wpasupplicant has a graphical client as well. and yes, wicd might be better than nm but it doesnt make sense to fix n-m by replacing it by another broken software.
11:42<bremner>felixs: please be a little more balanced. wicd works fine for many people.
11:43<sten>so should I just remove nm and try wicd?
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11:43<bremner>sten: the gnome nm-applet works better for some people than the kde one
11:43<bremner>and works fine in kde
11:43<sten>bremner: ok, I'll try -gnome then
11:45<ichdasic1>hm, in which channel do i ask about evolution-mail problems (does not cache caldav/ldap, no offline usage possible)
11:46<sten>bremner: although it will use the gnome-way of storing secrets instead of the kde one, right?
11:46<felixs>bremner: wicd undermines the debian network configuration. i didnt say it doesnt work, but it breaks other things
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11:50<gob_bluth>hey, is there a way to add LUKS to an already encrypted dm_crypt volume?
11:51<gob_bluth>would like to type in a single password to unlock three encrypted drives at boot
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12:56<sten>neither nm-applet nor nm-kde are able to connect to my wlan w/ prism2.5 card. manually connecting works. how can I connect?
12:56<sten>or even better: how can I find the problem nm is having?
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13:01<sten>syslog with nm-applet trying to connect:
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13:01<datacrusher>hello, i need some help regarding EDID ans x server, is this the right channel?
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13:07<dpkg>All days in #debian will remain Sunday until further notice. Unfortunately, outside #debian the world keeps turning, so you still have to get up and go to work. Welcome to PermaTardsday!
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13:09<dpkg><ranix> there *was* no other phone with a querty keypad at the time
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13:15<retrospectacus>sten: I found this, not sure if it will help:
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13:16<EmployedPlayer>aside from emacs- does anyone still use LISP anymore?
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13:18<sten>retrospectacus: thanks for the link. I already update the firmware, but that should not cause any problems since the network I'm testing with has wep and not wpa
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13:43<dpkg><spawn> i need know if nobody it knows interprise monut appliance to my software
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14:04<Lantizia>Hey does someone have an idea where I can get info on... what it is that done to the source files of a package - that ends up with the finished binary package?
14:04<Lantizia>for example I can see there is a .dsc, a .orig.tar.gz, and a .debian.tar.gz or sometimes a .diff.gz ... but what processes are done to them, what rules are followed - to get the finished product?
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14:07<Lantizia>retrospectacus, more detail than that :)
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14:07<Lantizia>I mean there is no script that comes with these to but them together in the right order/configuration... so I'm guessing it's a generic script for all packageS?
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14:09<moldovean>!package recompile
14:09<dpkg>1) Add a <deb-src> line for your current release to your sources.list 2) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential devscripts fakeroot; aptitude build-dep packagename 3) as any user, apt-get source packagename 4) cd packagename-version/; ask me about <debian/rules>; 5) dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -uc -us 6) as root, dpkg -i ../packagename-version.deb. Ask me about <debian/rules>, <apt-get source>.
14:09<Lantizia>moldovean, that doesn't answer the question
14:09<moldovean>Lantizia, see 5) command ..
14:09<Lantizia>I already know all that
14:09<valdyn>Lantizia: the diff contains the build scripts that implement "debian/rules binary" which builds the package
14:10<Lantizia>valdyn, ok so if there is no diff?
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14:10<valdyn>Lantizia: then upstream already contains the debian/rules file
14:11<Lantizia>valdyn, well .org.tar.gz doesn't... but .debian.tar.gz does - is that what you mean?
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14:11<valdyn>Lantizia: where the hell do you get .debian.tar.gz files in debian?
14:12<Lantizia>wget is .dsc / .diff.gz / .orig.tar.gz
14:12<ansgar>valdyn: From packages using the new source format.
14:12<Lantizia>asterisk is .dsc / .debian.tar.gz / .orig.tar.gz
14:12<Lantizia>ah yeah sid's wget is .debian.tar.gz too
14:12<Lantizia>but not lenny's
14:13<valdyn>Lantizia: that must be a new source package format after lenny
14:13<valdyn>Lantizia: thats the debian directory anyway
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14:13<valdyn>Lantizia: I was not aware of that change in debian
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14:14<Lantizia>right ok so we have swapped from a diff patch with everything to a scriptable .debian.tar.gz
14:14<valdyn>Lantizia: makes more sense than a diff anyway
14:14<valdyn>Lantizia: since diffs didnt change the orig except for the debian directory, which could or could not have contained patches to the original source
14:14<Lantizia>so the old way... it would extract the orig file... apply the diff the same dir it extracted from... and make a package using the dsc file:?
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14:15<ansgar>Lantizia: If you want to extract a source package, the general command is "dpkg-source -x [...].dsc".
14:15<valdyn>Lantizia: yea
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14:15<Lantizia>valdyn, oh so the .diff.gz's didn't apply the patches themselves? just write patches that will later apply patches?
14:16<valdyn>Lantizia: yea
14:16<Lantizia>lol ok
14:16*Lantizia learns :P
14:16<Lantizia>I need to compile my own asterisk you see - and stick it in a repo for some phone systems
14:16<valdyn>Lantizia: im sure the diff might have actually changed the original source itself, but not in lenny. I'm not following debian packaging changes
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14:24<saha>could anyone help with good on-screen kbd?
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14:25<saha>~ half of keys don't work
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14:25<saha>xvkbd isn't fully ok
14:25<retrospectacus>saha: gnome or what
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14:26<saha>i use xfce but gnome kbd will be finre
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14:29<themill>Lantizia: btw this is a recent thing, /msg dpkg debsrc3.0. If you use dget (devscripts) or apt-get source, then you get all the different parts of the source package and have them unpacked without having to worry about such details.
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14:47<sarc>when I restart Debian i get a message saying "Target filesystem doesn't have /sbin/init"
14:48<sarc>and then it directs me to a "sh-3.2#" prompt
14:48<sarc>what did i screw up?
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14:50<sney>your filesystem, possibly
14:50<sney>or a hard drive gave up the ghost
14:50<sney>or if you're using LVM, something funky is going on
14:50<sarc>i can browse the filesystem, i am just missing /sbin/init
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14:52<retrospectacus>sarc: it used to work? did you upgrade anything? etc
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14:53<sarc>i am using a backport, i added several packages
14:53<sney>sarc: are there other things in /sbin that you'd expect to be there?
14:53<sarc>yes, sbin appears normal other than that
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14:53<sney>did your last upgrade go smoothly? any package errors, apt complaining about a failed checksum, anything like that?
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14:55<sarc>i had to manually install a version of ef2slibs 1.41.3-1 using dget and an apt-get install -f to solve some dependency issues
14:55<sarc>but i didnt see any errors, the system also doesnt recognize "reboot" and "halt" as commands
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14:56<sarc>is there a way to restore the minimal install?
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14:56<sney>reboot and halt are both aliases to shutdown, you should be able to shutdown -h now
14:56<sney>or -r for a reboot
14:57<sarc>and what about the missing sbin? should i just reinstall?
14:58<sney>you could try copying init from a working system with the same debian version, it might work
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15:00<jhutchins_lt>sarc: Sounds like you're pretty far beyond the bounds of a standard stable install.
15:01<sarc>could installing the old version of ef2slibs have anything to do with this?
15:02<moldovean>.versions e2fslibs
15:02<sarc>that's the only thing out of the ordinary i have done
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15:02<dpkg>"Youtube without Flash Auto" is a <greasemonkey> script allowing Youtube video playback without flashplugin-nonfree. . You will need to install the <mozilla-mplayer> (Lenny) or <gecko-mediaplayer> package (Squeeze).
15:03<moldovean>, versions e2fslibs
15:03<judd>e2fslibs -- etch: 1.39+1.40-WIP-2006.11.14+dfsg-2etch1; etch-security: 1.39+1.40-WIP-2006.11.14+dfsg-2etch1; lenny: 1.41.3-1; sid: 1.41.12-2; squeeze: 1.41.12-2
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15:04<sarc>the backport of lenny seems to come with a different version than that because i had to downgrade to get libarchive-dev to install
15:04<sarc>e2fslibs was a dependency for libarchive-dev
15:05<moldovean>, versions libarchive-dev
15:05<judd>libarchive-dev -- etch: 1.2.53-2etch1; etch-security: 1.2.53-2etch1; lenny: 2.4.17-2; squeeze: 2.8.3-1; sid: 2.8.4-1
15:06<moldovean>sarc, no any backport of lenny there
15:07<jordanm_>stuckey: you don't need a script, now that there is webM
15:08<sarc>the time it will take me to figure this out I could just reinstall
15:08<stuckey>jordanm_: webM?
15:10<stuckey>jordanm_: webM is a video codec?
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15:13<jordanm_>stuckey: its a video player, not a codec. if you want to use it in lenny, I recommend proprietary google-chrome
15:13<stuckey>jordanm_: WebM is a video format according to wikipedia.
15:13<stuckey>jordanm_: I'm on testing. Do I need another version of iceweasel?
15:14<jordanm_>stuckey: I am not sure if iceweasel is capable, but I am told chromium-browser is
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15:16<stuckey>jordanm: so part of it is h264 and part is webm
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15:17<jordanm>stuckey: youtube uses h264, but webm can handle other codecs such as ogg from what I understand
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15:19<simonrvn>webm is supposed to help resolve issues like h264/ogv support cross-platform. webm is ogv8 AIUI
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15:20<jordanm>well, as you can see, I have no problems using it with a fairly limited understanding... "just works"
15:20<locklace>jordanm: no. webm is a container format that uses the vp8 video codec and the vorbis audio codec
15:21<simonrvn>ah yes vp8
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15:21<simonrvn>thanks for the reminder locklace
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15:22<simonrvn>vp8 is a later version of the ogv format google worked on and released as foss
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15:24<locklace>no it isn't
15:24<simonrvn>what am i confusing it with then?
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15:26<kpoorman>is there a command i can run to determine the full dependency graph of a debian package ?
15:26<locklace>vp8 is an update of the vp7 codec developed by On2. google bought On2 and open-sourced vp8 to combat h.264 and its patent-happy backers
15:26<locklace>it performs slightly less well than h.264 but well enough, unlike ogg theora, that it actually has a chance of competing against h.264
15:27<simonrvn>yeh... i'm there now
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15:28<locklace>codec wars suck
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15:28<retrospectacus>patented/licensed codecs suck
15:29<locklace>and steve jobs sucks even more
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15:29<simonrvn>though nothing wrong with licensing per se, just gotta be with an osi-approved license ;)
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15:31<retrospectacus>ah yes. I use the wtfpl for anything I release - my fav, most unrestrictive license ever :)
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15:48<rsteig_>i have an nVidia GeForce 9800 GTX with dual DVI's hooked to 2 22in widescreens - i had dual monitors working on my previous install, but hard drive went kaput. I have them working again with twinview but now a game I always play which goes into full screen mode tries to take up the entire screen instead of just one monitor like before
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15:48<rsteig_>i'm not sure what I did wrong with this install, and google comes up with solutions to use dual head mode instead of twinview, but then you cannot drag windows between monitors. I was doing both before which is confusing me.
15:49<rsteig_> that is my xorg.conf
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15:53<retrospectacus>I have TwinView in nvidia-settings but fullscreen stuff just goes on one monitor
15:54<rsteig_>that is what mine use to do..
15:55<rsteig_>could i see a copy of your xorg.conf please?
15:55<gnude>hello, i had wine 1.0.1 from debian installed. i removed it with aptitude and install the new wine 1.1.4 from a deb package with gdebi. now, how can i remove the new wine version kompletly from my system. gdebi shows me no remove funktion, and aptitude dont know, which packages are used by wine... any idea?
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15:56<retrospectacus>rsteig_: yes but it is not "accurate" - I have to adjust in nvidia-settings every time I log in, and saving to xorg.conf fails in that program
15:57<rsteig_>thank you
15:57<retrospectacus>rsteig_: I just have to enable and position the second monitor every startup
15:58<rsteig_>i have to do that on my work computer, but did not on my home
15:58<rsteig_>work computer is ATI card though
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15:59<sney>gnude: if you installed it from a single deb package, uninstalling the same deb should do it
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16:01<retrospectacus>gnude: apt-get remove wine
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16:02<gnude>ok. aptitude has removed it
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16:02<retrospectacus>gnude: you may want to remove your ~/.wine to free up space - apt probably didn't remove that
16:03<Blacktail>hi all
16:03<gnude>yes. i see. i removed it
16:03<gnude>now installing the "old" version from debian again.
16:04<gnude>i love debian, i love aptitude
16:04<gnude>everything works how i want it. i think, if i would use opensuse and then make something like this, zypper would not do what i want.
16:05<dpkg>hmm... debtakeover is Debian Takeover, the next phase of Debian World Domination, is a script that will substitute Debian (woody, not sarge! Use DEFAULT_SUITE=woody and upgrade from there) for any running GNU/Linux distribution available at . You too can banish metoo, dead rat, crackware, mandribble and Sue.M.E. to the bit bin.
16:05<gnude>how do i remove it from the gnome aplication menue?
16:06<retrospectacus>gnude: alacarte
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16:06<sney>if the wine versions in debian are too old, there's a 3rd party repository maintained by that you can use. It's not officially supported by Debian, of course, but it does work, at least in my experience
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16:06<retrospectacus>gnude: or right-click the menu and pick Edit Menus
16:06<sney>and as an apt repository you wouldn't have any of the annoying issues from random debs
16:06<gnude>alacarte is not installed.
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16:07<gnude>oh. right click and then i can disable it.
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16:08<gnude>where is the file who are the information are storend to delete it complete and not only disable it.?
16:08<retrospectacus>the menu items?
16:09<gnude>yes, the menu items. where are they stored, in which file?
16:09<retrospectacus>I believe /var/lib/menu-xdg/applications/menu-xdg/
16:10<retrospectacus>or /usr/share/applications ?
16:11<retrospectacus>I would just aptitude install alacarte - it's nice and easy
16:11<gnude>i want to learn more about debian. so i would like to do it the "hard way"
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16:12<gnude>i see all icons from the programmes i have installes. but nothing about the config-file
16:13<sney>you want the hard way? disconnect from the internet, break something, and figure out how to fix it on your own. that's how I learned, on a powerpc tower with no ethernet
16:13<retrospectacus>the files that define the menu items are **.desktop
16:13<retrospectacus>lol I saw someone who had done "chmod -R -x /" and was trying to fix it... now that's hard!!
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16:14<locklace>fixing recursive destruction usually is
16:14<kpoorman>how can I determine the full dependency graph of a package ?
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16:15<gnude>i dont found this file. and when i make a rightclick on a textfile he ask me ... open with "notpad", this must go away too. next question...
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16:16<locklace>gnude: maybe you'd be happier with twm
16:16<gnude>yes. notepad
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16:17<gnude>locklace: no. gnome is fine. i just want to understand how everything works. yes, i can download alacarte, let the programm do the work. but then i am still silly as now.
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16:18<retrospectacus>gnome text editor is gedit
16:18<locklace>i don't think gnome is designed for people who want to understand how everything works
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16:20<gnude>yes. notepad is the windows texteditor, comes with wine. but i dont want to start wine anyway for editing a text.
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16:20<gnude>ob. debian is made for people who want to understand everything
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16:22<locklace>yes. it makes it very easy to remove gnome and replace it with something saner
16:22<gnude>ok. hmm better question: how to find a text string in an textfile around the hdd? i search for the string, and then i have the file.
16:22<muep>debian is made for everyone who wants a free (as in speech) operating system
16:22<locklace>gnude: find and grep
16:23<moldovean>your nick seems be predestinate for .. g(nu)_nude
16:23<gnude>i dont know if here are some core developer from debian, but if: i like debian and it saves my job. thanks
16:23<ander>grep -R xxx /home/porn
16:23<gnude>gnude = GNU DEbian
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16:24<ander>cool story bro
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16:25<kpoorman>how can I determine the full dependency list of a package ?
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16:26<ander>apt-cache show <package>
16:27<gnude>i use openoffice in a team. the documents are on a debian 5 samba server. the people use most windows, some linux. now, when person a open document x everything is fine. but person b could open document x too, and get no message, that it is open....? that is bad, both people can save and then the document is damaged, or not actually
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16:27<babilen>kpoorman: full dependencies as in the entire dependency graph? for a single package you would use "apt-cache depends pkg"
16:27<kpoorman>babilen: Brilliant !
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16:29<moldovean>!kick kpoorman
16:29*dpkg kicks kpoorman in the crotch.
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16:30<kpoorman>really ?
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16:30<kpoorman>!kick moldovean
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16:30<babilen>calm down :)
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16:32<moldovean>babilen, btw , any graph for 'full' ?
16:32<retrospectacus>roshambo in here
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16:33<babilen>moldovean: well - i'm not sure how to get aptitude to output the full dependency list .. easiest way is probably to run it with "install" ;)
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16:34<moldovean>babilen, yeah, thanks ;)
16:34<locklace>install and -s, more specifically
16:34<babilen>right :-D
16:34<moldovean>-s as show , cool
16:34<themill>,info debtree --release sid
16:34<judd>debtree (utils, optional): package dependency graphs on steroids. Version: 1.0.5; Size: 20.2k; Installed: 116k; Homepage:
16:35<babilen>hooray for themill !
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16:36<themill>see also "apt-cache dotty"
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16:36<moldovean>cool, thanks themill & co
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16:37<Willly>Hi there! If I'm in the wrong room, please let me know sooner rather than later. I need help with my AMD x86-64 booting a gui. EVERY TIME I get into the gui as an ordinary user, a wizard saying something about saving my KDE3 settings pops up. It will not let me into the main system at all, either! ;( I do hope someone can help me with this problem.
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16:39<retrospectacus>Willly: what version of debian and kde? did you complete the wizard?
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16:43<Willly>retrospectacus: As to debian, I am using the testing distribution. As to kde, it seems to be 4.4.4.
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16:44<Willly>retrospectacus: Yes, I've completed the wizard so many times I'm surprised the computer hasn't hollered out in agony!
16:44<babilen>Willly: Do you have a heavily customised KDE3 installation?
16:46<Willly>babilen: No, not at all. In fact, I started with a blank hard disk and just installed 4.4.4.
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16:47<jordanm>Willly: what happens after you complete the wizard? does it take you back to the login screen?
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16:48<Willly>jordanm: Yes, that's exactly what happens.
16:48<jordanm>Willly: can you pastebin ~/.xsession_errors
16:49<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <>.
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17:03<Willly>jordanm: I would be happy to, if there was such a file at the moment. Apparently this has not yet risen to the point of being an "error".
17:04<babilen>Willly: Could you try to log in with a new user or after moving whatever ~/.kde* directory there is to a backup location ?
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17:06<Willly>babilen: Yes, but that is going to mean that I'm going to have to disconnect here.
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17:08<babilen>Willly: You might want to use a screen session somewhere or a tty to come here --- but just try it, it will let us rule out that your problem is with your configuration
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17:09<babilen>Willly: Another channel you might be interested in is #kde over at - I don't use KDE and have only basic knowlege of it
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17:14<Willly>babilen: As it turns out, the only thing in my user home directory turns out to be an empty folder called "kde3-backup". Once again, this folder is empty, so, unless you think the folder's very name is causing a problem, then there's nothing to back up.
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17:17<babilen>Willly: Try: "ls -la | grep kde" in a shell
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17:30<Willly>babilen: The only other thing it revealed was my .kde directory, which is rather full of kde-4 stuff.
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17:36<retrospectacus>Willly: check to make sure your home folder is owned and writable by yourself, then mv .kde .kde-backup and try again
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18:12<Tuplad>I can't get my printer to work; Samsung ML-1640. Tried with Cups and with foomatic, printer seems to work fine but nothing gets printed.
18:13<sney>Tuplad: sometimes ##cups on freenode knows best
18:13<retrospectacus>check (?)
18:13<Tuplad>doesn't exist
18:14<sney>, but most of their howtos are a bit outdated
18:14<sney> may have something useful
18:14<sney>also, if it's a local printer represented by a /dev node, try catting a text file directly to it and see if that works
18:15<Tuplad>sney: how do I do that ? :o
18:15<Tuplad>I have googled, tried every common manual
18:15<Tuplad>cups server is started, the printer is recognized
18:15<Tuplad>but nothing gets printed
18:15<Tuplad>the printers just doesn't respond
18:16<sney>well you'd figure out the /dev node (for a parallel printer, it'd most likely be /dev/lp0) and then you make a text file and do cat file.txt > /dev/lp0
18:16<sney>and if the printer is working properly, it'll come out in some form or another
18:16<Tuplad>sney: yeah, I mean, how to figure out the dev node ?
18:17<sney>process of elimination
18:17<Tuplad>if I check cups, it's usb://Samsung/ML-1640%20Series
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18:20<babilen>Tuplad: Have you tried with the PPDs from splix?
18:20<babilen>,versions splix
18:20<judd>splix -- lenny: 1.0.1-1.2; sid: 2.0.0-2.1; squeeze: 2.0.0-2.1
18:20<babilen>,info splix
18:20<judd>splix (text, optional): Driver for Samsung's SPL2 (bw) and SPLc (color) laser printers. Version: 1.0.1-1.2; Size: 42.5k; Installed: 808k
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18:21<Tuplad>will try now
18:21<babilen>Tuplad: I remember to got one of those beasts working with it (can't remember the exact model) -- and lists it as wel
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18:21<babilen>,depends splix --release squeeze
18:21<judd>splix -- depends: libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6~), libcups2 (>= 1.4.0), libcupsimage2 (>= 1.4.0), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.1.1), libstdc++6 (>= 4.1.1), cups, cups-client, ghostscript-cups.
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18:24<Tuplad>hmm, confusing... I'm working on i
18:25<babilen>What is confusing?
18:27<babilen>Just install the package, enter the CUPS administration interface and select the PPD /usr/share/ppd/splix/samsung/ml1640.ppd
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18:29<babilen>and voilà - you are done :)
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18:32<Tuplad>thanks babilen, it's working fine now!
18:32<dpkg>Another happy customer leaves the building.
18:32<Tuplad>haha :D
18:34<babilen>enjoy the printing heaven and read a bunch of papers published this year at either AAAI, ICML or ACL ;)
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18:37<Tuplad>thanks, but I haven't heard of any of them
18:37<retrospectacus>I've backgrounded a process (with ^Z and bg) but it is still writing on my terminal (normal) how can I redirect that to /dev/null ?
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18:39<babilen>hmm, would stopping the process and restarting it be an option?
18:40<retrospectacus>sure, it's not a big deal, it's just mplayer - but I'd like to know if that'd be possible
18:41<babilen>hehe - curiosity ... it got me now as well. Let's find out!
18:41<retrospectacus>I'll ask in #bash
18:42<retrospectacus>I've backgrounded a process (with ^Z and bg) but it is still writing on my terminal (to be expected) but can I redirect that to /dev/null ?
18:42<retrospectacus>!lart retrospectacus
18:42*dpkg frags retrospectacus with his BFG9000
18:43<jhutchins_lt>retrospectacus: If it's still producing output, you're going to see it on the console.
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18:43<jhutchins_lt>retrospectacus: It's just that your console will be available for other things.
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18:43<jhutchins_lt>retrospectacus: It's like if you run an X program from a console - it will write stderr output to the console, even though it's main display is on the GUI.
18:44<jhutchins_lt>retrospectacus: You might want to look into running screen.
18:45<[machine]>retrospectacus: you could hot patch it with gdb or similar, but i think that's outside of scope of #debian
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18:45<babilen>[machine]: It sure is -- but I assume that something like this is quite tough to achieve, hence my question if it would be an option to restart the process ...
18:46<retrospectacus>well I know all that, I just thought I could maybe use some command to capture that output
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18:51<jhutchins_lt>retrospectacus: bash redirect.
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18:55<Canadian>I'm at my7 whits end with an error I cant figure out.
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18:57<retrospectacus>Canadian: really eh? You should tell us about it!
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18:57<Canadian>malware acl condition: clamd: unable to connect to UNIX socket /var/run/clamav/clamd.ctl (Permission denied)
18:57<Canadian>is the error, but all the permissions add up.
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18:58<Canadian>s--------- 1 Debian-exim Debian-exim 0 2010-07-21 17:01 /var/run/clamav/clamd.ctl
18:58<Canadian>is the file in question.
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19:01<locklace>Canadian: notice that the permissions are somewhat restrictive
19:01<Canadian>i've tride to chmod to 770 but that didnt help
19:02<locklace>check the permissions on the containing directory too
19:03<Canadian>srwxrwx--- 1 Debian-exim Debian-exim 0 2010-07-21 17:01 clamd.ctl
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19:03<Canadian>drwxr-xr-x 2 Debian-exim Debian-exim 4.0K 2010-07-21 17:01 clamav
19:03<Canadian>thats better.
19:04<Canadian>thats the containing directory.
19:04<Canadian>this system has been running fine for 300 days.
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19:05<Canadian>then i ran an update yesterday.
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19:07<retrospectacus>Canadian: restarted the service(s) - success?
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19:08<Canadian>no success. i've tride to stop all services delete the socket, then reboot. still nothing.
19:09<Canadian>as a result i cant send mail from and machine on the network, or receive mail from outside the network.
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19:12<Canadian>there is mail in the que but it wont get delivered to the maildir
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19:16<Canadian>thats odd
19:16<Canadian>my clamd process are starting and stoping with a high frequency.
19:16<locklace>Canadian: what user is the clamd process actually running as
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19:18<locklace>Canadian: pastebin the /etc/clamav/clamd.conf
19:19<compaq>hi guys
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19:19<pakistani>hi guys
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19:22<Canadian>there in channel #pastebin
19:23<Canadian>LInky Linky
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19:27<retrospectacus>maybe try that dpkg-reconfigure clamav
19:27<Canadian>returned with nothing.
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19:28<Canadian>error changede though.
19:29<Meli>Hola tu kien eres?¿
19:29<Canadian>malware acl condition: clamd: unable to connect to UNIX socket /var/run/clamav/clamd.ctl (Connection refused)
19:29<Canadian>to ..
19:29<Canadian>malware acl condition: clamd: unable to connect to UNIX socket /var/run/clamav/clamd.ctl (Permission denied)
19:29<Meli>kien eres?¿
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19:29<locklace>Meli: habla ingles o salte, perra
19:29<Meli>pero tu kien koño eres?¿
19:30<locklace>Canadian: the LocalSocketGroup and LocalSocketMode don't match the actual socket group/modes you showed. probably doesn't matter but should be fixed anyway
19:30<retrospectacus>Canadian: you said it was permission denied before
19:31<Meli>kien koño eres?¿
19:31<locklace>Meli: habla ingles o salte
19:31<Meli>kien eres dimelo porfavor
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19:31<locklace>!lart spain
19:31*dpkg whips out his power stapler and staples spain's genitalia to the ground
19:31<Canadian>yep then when I change the permission on /var/run/clamav/clamd.ctl to srwxrwx--- 1 Debian-exim Debian-exim 0 2010-07-21 17:39 /var/run/clamav/clamd.ctl
19:32<Meli>kienes soys porfavor
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19:32<Canadian>the error reads .....connectiion refused.
19:32<Lantizia>Is anyone in here familiar with gnoMint ?
19:33<Canadian>when i reconfigured it changed back to permission denied
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19:34<themill>locklace: leave the insults at the door, thanks.
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19:38<Canadian>when i restart clamav i get this.
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19:38<Canadian>Starting ClamAV daemon: clamd ERROR: Failed to change socket ownership to group clamav
19:39<Canadian>LOCAL: Removing stale socket file /var/run/clamav/clamd.ctl
19:39<Canadian>Wed Jul 21 17:49:49 2010 -> LOCAL: Unix socket file /var/run/clamav/clamd.ctl
19:39<Canadian>Wed Jul 21 17:49:49 2010 -> LOCAL: Setting connection queue length to 15
19:39<Canadian>Wed Jul 21 17:49:49 2010 -> ERROR: Failed to change socket ownership to group clamav
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19:40<Canadian>Wed Jul 21 17:49:49 2010 -> LOCAL: Unix socket file /var/run/clamav/clamd.ctl
19:40<Canadian>is in the log file
19:40<Canadian>for clamd
19:41<retrospectacus>try changing the group ownership of that socket and directory to clamav?
19:41<Canadian>just did,
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19:41<Canadian>no change
19:42<Canadian>its as if its running as another user.,
19:42<Canadian>other than clamavb
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19:52<Canadian>k so i fixed it i think
19:52<Canadian>i changed from using sockets to using TCP as explained here.
19:53<Canadian>... second post from the bottom
19:53<Canadian>bit of a hack, but it works.
19:55<Canadian>still dont know why sockets suddnely stoped working. Bug mamby?
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20:27<Tukeke>gnome shell
20:29<retrospectacus>what? gnome-terminal?
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20:30<Tukeke>gnome shell is new interface
20:30<Tukeke>is the new interface
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20:30<Tukeke>retrospectacus, ;)
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20:30<retrospectacus>how is it?
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20:32<Tukeke>is good
20:34<retrospectacus>I wonder how that will go over
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20:36<Tukeke>have good interface
20:37<Tukeke>is the future
20:37<Tukeke>the evolution of gnome
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20:42<craigevil>retrospectacus: probably about as good as kde4, too much change to please the windows ppl that switch to ubuntu
20:43<Tukeke>kde :P
20:43<Tukeke>kde is MS Windows
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21:56<andrew>so I upgraded to an nvidia gtx470 from an nvid gts250. Stupidly I didnt do anything about the drivers on my deb install. Now of course since the gts250 drivers dont support the new gtx4* generation, my gui is broken
21:56<andrew>is there any easy way that I can upgrade my nvidia drivers?
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22:01<compaq>I wonder how do you search for a string within all the files of a directory?
22:02<jmad980>perhaps :/
22:02*jmad980 isn't a grep master
22:02<jmad980>andrew: you might beable to use the ones off of the nvidia site, if they don't hate debian
22:04<compaq>thanks jmad980
22:04<compaq>find . | xargs grep 'string'
22:04<compaq>man linux is awesome
22:05<jpinx-eeepc>find is cool :)
22:06<jpinx-eeepc>I make music playlists from the mess that is my external hdd - just by using find
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22:16<icebrain>compaq: simpler: grep 'string' * **/*
22:16<icebrain>* matches all the files in current directory, and **/* matches all the files in all the subdirectories, recursively
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22:18<icebrain>ops, sorry, only works on ZSH. Damn bash
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22:25<NotALamer>having some trouble with apt-rdepends, i'd like it to follow Recommends as well, but when i pass it --follow=Depends,PreDepends,Recommends it seems like it's not recursive any more
22:26<NotALamer>i get like 20 packages back instead of the 220 i got with no options
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23:33<mib_u5zpor>hello guys, iḿ newbie in debian, i have installed debian and i cannot mount the hardrives to see in ubuntu partition some help that I have for my wireless. Someone have a link in how to mount in debian the hardrives, or a link with debian commands?
23:34<mib_u5zpor>Debian commands will be better... I have found a page of gentoo, but some of them are diferent, or recommend any book?
23:35<jmad980>tried using the mount command?
23:35<jpinx-eeepc>mib_u5zpor: list the drives with fdisk -l and then mount them appropriately
23:35<jmad980>yeah, and if you put in you fstab don't mess anything up :)
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23:36<jpinx-eeepc>don't mess with fstab till you really know what you're doing
23:37<mib_u5zpor>ok, going to do that, ok, thanks, any page with commands? sorry for being so newbie, but you´ll see, I learn fast...
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23:37<dpkg>If you're running one of the desktop environments in Debian, then ask me about <gnome-volume-manager>, <kde automount>, or <thunar-volman>. If you want something for the command line, then ask me about <halevt>, <ivman>, or <usb mount>. For a completely different approach to automounting, ask me about <autofs>.
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23:37<moldovean>mib_u5zpor, ^^
23:38<jpinx-eeepc>moldovean: that's overkill - he just needs to know how to create a mount point and mount a drive
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23:39<mib_u5zpor>thank you very much guys, damn proud to be a debian beginner, coming back in a few minutes...
23:39<moldovean>mib_u5zpor, man mount
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23:40<mib_u5zpor>thank you moldovean
23:40<moldovean>jpinx-eeepc, still in thai ? ;)
23:40<jpinx-eeepc>indeed :)
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23:41<moldovean>jpinx-eeepc, they use debian there ?
23:41<jpinx-eeepc>not much
23:42<moldovean>i see
23:42<jpinx-eeepc>I am a bit of a lone voice amongst windows users -
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23:47<moldovean>jpinx-eeepc, but there was a nice "KSIX Parallel Environment on Beowulf" developed at Kasetsart University, Bangkok (hm , rh based)
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