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---Logopened Tue Jul 27 00:00:18 2010
00:00<franki->Hmm, phpmyadmin won't let me remove it (on Squeeze)
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00:01<franki->It says "can't open /usr/share/dbconfig-common/dpkgprerm.mysql"
00:02<franki->The reason it can't open it is because it doesn't exist :)
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00:58<twb>I notice the chinese-s-desktop task points to ttf-arphic-{gbsn001lp,gkai00mp} fonts, and the chinese-t-desktop task points to ttf-arphic-{ukai,uming} fonts.
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00:58<twb>Can I assume that if I install only the former, I'll get simplified graphemes in e.g. iceweasel?
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01:17<Pragat>Printer driver HP Deskjet K209 is not available in Debian lenny....
01:18<Pragat>how we can install this printer with Deian lenny
01:21<craigevil>Pragat: try installing hplip from backports
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02:05<Pragat>HI...for printer HP K209
02:05<Pragat>i have been attach hplip
02:06<Pragat>but in synaptic comes only hplip-cups
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02:14<craigevil> ,versions hplip
02:15<craigevil>hplip -- etch: 1.6.10-3etch1; etch-security: 1.6.10-3etch1; lenny: 2.8.6.b-4; lenny-backports: 3.10.2-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 3.10.5-4; sid: 3.10.6-1
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03:21<hide>Good morning
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03:22<hide>It's full moon again. Quite quickly..
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03:43<sander_m>Hi. HP used to offer software for Debian for their Proliant server. It included things like SmartArray configuration utilities and fan control software (which I need, because my ML370 sounds like a jet at take-off without fan control). Any idea what's happened to it and where I can get it? Or don't I need it anymore? HP seems to have any mention of Debian (or any other Linux besides Red Hat and Suse) from their website.
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03:57<twb>On my new HP whatever-it-was, the fans spun down shortly after startup, while still in the minutes-long POST
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04:04<taiky>hi everybody
04:04<taiky>i need some informations about puppet
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04:05<taiky>i have various debian version and i wonder what is the best way to manage clients
04:05<taiky>from etch, lenny and next lenny
04:05<taiky>oups, squeeze
04:05<taiky>the server must be in squeeze ?
04:06<taiky>or in need one server by distributions ?
04:06<taiky>what should be the best way ?
04:09<the-dude>taiky: puppet or cfengine
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04:10<taiky>puppet ues
04:10<taiky>i use it
04:11<taiky>the problème is the various version which come with debian etch, lenny and squeeze
04:11<taiky>currently, my puppetmaster is running on a debian lenny
04:13<taiky>but it does not work with squeeze... the puppetmaster version is greater than the squeeze client version
04:14<the-dude>im using puppet as well, but if I had some time I would go for cfengine
04:14<taiky>why ?
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04:14<taiky>you think cfengine is "better"
04:15<the-dude>cause I don't like puppet, heavyweighted ruby language, and I believe cfengine can do things smarter and without the puppet overhead
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04:21<twb>cfengine has quirks of its own, of course
04:21<twb>Put it this way: I admire puppet's enthusiasm, but not its implementation :-)
04:22<twb>taiky: the puppet people will basically tell you that you should install the latest development version of puppet on all hosts
04:23<twb>taiky: well, either do that or don't use puppet
04:23<the-dude>puppet channel is good for support, but I don't find there site/wiki very usefull
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04:23<taiky>it s usefull but difficult to read
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04:27<taiky>this is not a solution
04:27<Ajurna>hi folks
04:27<Ajurna>i'm having kind of a mystery here
04:28<Ajurna>my router gets a dynamic ip via dhcp , my windows system too, why does debian not work ... using dhclient
04:30<felixs>Ajurna: anything in your dhcp server log?
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04:33<Ajurna>im getting loads of messages like " dhcdbd: message_handler: message handler not found under /com/redhat/dhcp/eth0 for sub-path eth0.dbus.get.domain_search"
04:34<felixs>dbus? ouch
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04:35<twb>dnsmasq supports dbus now, too :-/
04:35<felixs>seems your server is broken/misconfigured
04:35<Ajurna>funny thing is I am right now connected to my router , dhcp client works with router but not on the "main"network
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04:36<felixs>twb: ouch^2
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04:36<Ajurna>ok so what do I have to tell my sysop ^_^
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04:41<twb>It's so those damn libvirt people can use it "automagically" inside their crappy VM networking setup
04:41<felixs>Ajurna: i do not completely understand your router/main network configuration
04:41<twb>That's also why they now have "dnsmasq", which contains nothing but an init script, and "dnsmasq-base" which contains everything else
04:42<Ajurna>me neither it's some haywire stuff some students cooked up .. and I can't get hold of anyone
04:42<felixs>twb: fortunately i dont use dnsmasq :)
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04:43<twb>dnsmasq beats configuring three daemons separately
04:44<Ajurna>I'm going to give "pump" a try maybe there is something wrong with dhclient
04:44<felixs>twb: bind, dhcpd3. whats the 3rd?
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05:46<gnufan>egrep performance - I have two similar specced boxes, one runs egrep command in 0.11s one in 1.6s - only difference I have is Squeeze versus Lenny. Is this a known enhancement - run egrep 10x faster?
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05:51<gnufan>Urm built the grep from source on lenny -- seems it is an enhancement ;)
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06:32<subspider>i want to install debian from usb flash i'm using ubootin to prepare flash drive but when i get to boot menu and it start intalling it says "no CD found in the CD drive" can someone help
06:36<moldovean>subspider, /msg dpkg usb install
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06:37<smv>anyone using lxc?
06:37<subspider>moldovean, where do i use that??
06:38<moldovean>subspider, here in irc bar
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06:45<subspider>moldovean, when do zcat boot.img.gz > /dev/sdc and i unplug the usb flsh and plug it in no file is there is that normal ??
06:46<smv>are you sure that /dev/sdc is your usb?
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06:49<subspider>smv yes i am
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06:50<moldovean>subspider, yes (they are but invisible ) , so copy the netinstall image in
06:51<subspider>hm so i can't see the files??
06:51<smv>it should've had a fat16 fs, and some files that can be seen with ls -al
06:52<jm_>run sfdisk -R after the zcat
06:53<subspider>sfdisk -R /dev/sdc like that
06:54<jm_>I guess
06:54<subspider>BLKRRPART: esse ioctl não é apropriado para o dispositivo
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07:21<subspider>now my pen loads but can't find the iso image
07:21<subspider>where do i put it ??
07:21<subspider>in my hard drive
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07:22<subspider>it is already in USB
07:22<babilen>subspider: No, you copy it to the USB stick (the ISO file) ...
07:22<babilen>subspider: How did you create the USB stick?
07:22<subspider>it's already there
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07:23<babilen>How did you copy the image to the stick?
07:23<subspider>babilen, i didn't create
07:23<babilen>me neither :)
07:23<subspider>babilen, how i do that
07:23<babilen>!usb install
07:23<dpkg>Yes, it is possible to install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see . To download USB stick images, ask me about <install debian>. to prepare from Windows. BIOS can't boot from USB? Use
07:23<babilen>And make sure to copy the ISO *file* to the stick not its contents
07:24<jm_>USB image shouldn't even be looking for ISO image, I bet you created it from the ISO
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07:26<subspider>jm_ i made these
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07:27<babilen>subspider: "the easy way" or "the flexible way" ?
07:28<subspider>Copying the files — the flexible way the easy why nothing happends
07:28<jm_>subspider: using "stable" images?
07:28<babilen>subspider: And you copied the netinstall ISO *file* to the stick as well?
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07:29<subspider>that one
07:29<babilen>What did you do with it?
07:29<babilen>yes what?
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07:31<subspider>i copy tha file and put in the usb
07:31<babilen>subspider: Combined with ?
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07:31<subspider>yes i can send you the tree files i have babilen
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07:33<babilen>No need to do that - It just happens frequently that user either (i) copy the netinstall ISO *content* to the stick and not the file and (ii) use initrd.gz vmlinuz from i386 and the netinstall image from amd64 (or vice versa)
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07:33<babilen>subspider: So, the installer starts but the ISO is not found?
07:34<subspider>yes babilen and it search on /dev/sda1 ,2,3,4,5,6,7
07:34<subspider>pedro@pedro-laptop:~$ dir /media/8AD8-C659/
07:34<subspider>debian-505-amd64-netinst.iso initrd.gz syslinux.cfg vmlinuz
07:34<babilen>that looks OK AFAICT ....
07:34<subspider>thats my pen sorry guys i should use pastie
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07:35<subspider>i really don't know what i'm doing wrong
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07:36<babilen>Hmm - and "the easy way" did not work as well? What were the symptoms?
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07:36<subspider>the easy i don't know how to use it if you help maybe i understad
07:36<subspider>but if i want to use it now do i have to format pen ??
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07:37<subspider>in f16 ??
07:37<smv>i'd try the steps in but perhaps you should adjust it for lenny.
07:37<babilen>subspider: f16 ?
07:37<subspider>fat 16
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07:39<babilen>No, You essentially download ; run "zcat boot.img.gz > /dev/YOUR_USB_DEVICE", mount the stick, and copy the netinstall *iso* over there
07:40<babilen>don't forget to umount
07:40<babilen>The steps (for squeeze) + md5 checksumming are also exemplified on the page linked by smv
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07:47<subspider>babilen, to format the pen is these sudo mkfs.vfat /dev/sdc
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07:48<babilen>subspider: No you just run "zcat boot.img.gz > /dev/sdX" (the image already contains the filesystem) -- replace X with the *correct* value
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07:48<subspider>ok babilen ;)
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07:51<subspider>babilen, how do i'm shore obout /dev/sdX ???
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07:52<babilen>unplug/replug the stick and run "dmesg|tail -n 10" -- it should list it. If you are unsure paste the output to
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07:55<smv>perhaps it's a bit too late, but here's an example of the steps for lenny and usb stick as /dev/sdc:
07:56<subspider>in my case right now i sdb
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07:57<smv>in this case use:
07:58<babilen>subspider: Well, it is sdb
07:58<subspider>babilen, when i run bash: /dev/sdb: Mídia não encontrada
07:58<subspider> it gives me bash: /dev/sdb: Mídia não encontrada
07:58<babilen>don't run bash, run "cat boot.img.gz > /dev/sdb" (as root)
07:58<babilen>!tell subspider -about localised errors
08:00<babilen>err!! run "zcat boot.img.gz > /dev/sdb" !!!
08:00<babilen>or just blindly copy the commands from the pastebin (no need to delete the downloaded files though if you want to keep them)
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08:04<subspider>babilen, he says he can't find the midia
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08:16<babilen>subspider: progress?
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08:16<subspider>none i con't mount sdb
08:16<subspider>don't know why
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08:19<subspider>babilen, it says midia not found
08:19<subspider>i don't know why
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08:20<subspider>babilen, i tryed zcat boot.img.gz > /dev/sdb1 and it worked
08:20<subspider>but it should have the 1 right ??
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08:21<babilen>If you run "zcat boot.img.gz > /dev/sdb" as root you get the "Media not found" error?
08:21<subspider>yes babilen
08:22<subspider>root@pedro-laptop:/home/pedro/Transferências# zcat boot.img.gz > /dev/sdb
08:22<subspider>bash: /dev/sdb: Mídia não encontrada
08:22<subspider>witch means media not found
08:23<subspider>if use dmesg
08:23<subspider>i have these
08:23<subspider>[ 2369.948874] sdb: sdb1
08:23<subspider>[ 2370.006463] sd 8:0:0:0: [sdb] Assuming drive cache: write through
08:23<subspider>[ 2370.006468] sd 8:0:0:0: [sdb] Attached SCSI removable disk
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08:25<subspider>babilen, do you ever used unetbootin for these??
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08:26<babilen>I figured that much ... give me a second, I need a coffee ... Check output of "mount" and "fdisk -l" -- IIRC you can also install to /dev/sdb1 -- but you might have to run "install-mbr /dev/sdb" afterwards to make sure it is bootable
08:26<twb>babilen: /proc/partitions
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08:27<babilen>No, I haven't used unetbootin before
08:27<twb>Is install-mbr(8) a grubism?
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08:29<babilen>grubism? I don't think so.
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08:31<subspider>babilen, i found something wierd
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08:32<twb>Well, I don't have it
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08:32<twb>I always just copy /usr/lib/syslinux/mbr.bin directly (with conv=notrunc, if it's a file).
08:32<subspider>babilen, when i stick a usb pen in is aouto mounted there for if make zcat boot.img.gz > /dev/sdb no problem
08:33<subspider>babilen, i don't see any files in usb so now i just copy the iso
08:33<twb>babilen: apparently it's part of the "mbr" package, whatever that is.
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08:33<twb>Ah, lilo uses it. How baroque!
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08:37<datacrusher>hello people! iv made a backup script so i can get an everyday dvd recorded. Im migrating to a new fresh install of debian, but my dates are going in english, how do i change to my home language? my script is as follows
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08:40<cahoot>set the loacle?
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08:45<datacrusher>cahoot, /etc/locale ?
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08:46<babilen>!tell datacrusher about locales
08:46<dpkg>Use `dpkg-reconfigure locales' to get it up and running. This generates locale definitions and also edits /etc/default/locale which sets the $LANG environment variable at login time. Use "LANG=C command" to change the output language for a one off command; ask me about <localised errors>.
08:49<datacrusher>hm, i think is it, thanks
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08:56<vivek243>is there any one?
08:57<vivek243>i need to know about debian packages...
08:57<babilen>well, ask your question
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08:58<vivek243>hie u there..
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08:58<vivek243>what is it exactly the debian is?
09:00<cahoot>might even find info in your own language
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09:00<vivek243>where r u from?
09:01<cahoot>that's irrelevant
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09:01<vivek243>nice name..
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09:07<vivek243>hi vizor..
09:09<vivek243>hw r u?
09:09<vivek243>u use debian os?
09:10<vivek243>u there?
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09:10<vivek243>hi richard..
09:11<vivek243>I am new here..
09:11<vivek243>will u help.
09:11<datacrusher>is there a way to set nautilus on debian so that the F3 opens a split pane?
09:11<datacrusher>iv seen it on a ubuntu tip, but coudnt make it work just by pressing the button :)
09:12<vivek243>i have no idea datacrusher..
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09:12<cahoot>datacrusher: see if gconf-editor offers the option
09:12<datacrusher>hm nice cahoot
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09:13<smv>datacrusher, works for me in sid
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09:15<babilen>datacrusher: Which version of nautilus do you have installed? IIRC it was introduced in 2.30
09:15<datacrusher>i got a lenny fresh install
09:15<datacrusher>ill check nautilus version
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09:16<babilen>and it works fine here with nautilus 2.30.1
09:16<datacrusher>maybe its a version issue
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09:16<babilen>yeah - it was introduced in 2.30 --
09:18<datacrusher>hm. is there a way to update it without messing arround with dependencies?
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09:20<moldovean>move to squeeze (there it works too)
09:20<moldovean>, versions nautilus
09:20<judd>nautilus -- etch: 2.14.3-11+b1; lenny: 2.20.0-7; sid: 2.30.1-1; squeeze: 2.30.1-1
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09:22<moldovean>datacrusher, or install mc ..
09:23<datacrusher>the last stable isnt lenny?
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09:24<babilen>datacrusher: Yes - Last stable is Lenny. Squeeze will be the next stable version and is currently "testing"
09:24<datacrusher>well, its a server i wont mess around with nautilus i think
09:25<babilen>datacrusher: A lot of people update to testing regardless of the fact that is has not been released though. I personally run stable for 6-12 months and upgrade to testing afterwards to get access to newer software.
09:25<babilen>datacrusher: Well, *don't* ever think of running anyhting but stable on a server ;)
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09:25<datacrusher>ill do that! my 11 commendment
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09:26<babilen>It is fine though for boxes you use personally ...
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09:27<SQlvpapir>I issued "sync" but its stuck for some reason - any tips on what to do?
09:27<SQlvpapir>cant kill it :(
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09:49<subspider>babilen, hi look i tryed easy way it give me the same error could not find the iso file
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09:56<smv>subspider, have you tried the steps i gave you?
09:56<subspider>smv i' trying now
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09:56<subspider>i hope it work
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09:57<subspider>the thing i' one hour from civilization to buy a cd i really need pen working
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09:58<smv>those steps always worked for me, though, i was using the testing files.
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10:30<subspider>smv, hi look i have a question
10:30<subspider>when you make zcat boot.img.gz > /dev/sdb should the pen be mounted or not ?
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10:31<smv>shouldn't matter, but i usually umount it before.
10:32<subspider>hm ok
10:32<subspider>so will do your way
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10:35<sarc>is there a way to eliminate/change the default text that appears when you login to Debian (The programs included with the Debian GNU/Linux........)?
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10:39<sarc>i have been able to disable tty2-6. How do you disable 7-12?
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10:41<smv>sarc, tty7 is used by X, and 8-12 are not enabled. X might use them in some situations, though
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10:43<sarc>x is not installed, how do i prevent them from being accessed?
10:43<sarc>i am able to access 7-12
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10:46<smv>sarc, if by accessing you mean you can press ctrl+alt+f7-12 and get a blank screen, then you shouldn't be worried, i guess. there isn't any message shown, is it?
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10:48<sarc>there is no way to disable this functionality?
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10:49<smv>as long as there is no message on them, i don't think they are being used.
10:50<babilen>sarc: Take a look at /etc/inittab -- be *careful* when editing that file. Did I mention you have to be really careful? No? Well, BE CAREFUL :)
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10:51<babilen>sarc: I guess it is as easy as just commenting some of the ttys
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10:51<sarc>i was able to do that for 1-6 but 7-12 are not listed
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10:53<babilen>sarc: Do you actually have a login on those?
10:53<sarc>no, it takes me to a blank screen
10:54<babilen>Is that a problem?
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10:54<smv>just as from tty2-6 when disabled. my guess is that they aren't used.
10:54<sarc>for me, no but for an uneducated user, yes
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10:56<babilen>An uneducated user will most likely not hit "CTRL-ALT-FN" by chance or execute chvt with root privileges ...
10:56<babilen>do you really want to disable them?
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10:57<babilen>hmm, vpnc died ... Do you really want to disable them?
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10:59<babilen>sarc: Do you really want to disable them?
10:59<smv>babilen, aren't they already disabled since there is no prompt on them? tbh, i understand disabling tty2-6 on a server for example, even on a desktop in some cases. but why would one want to disable something that isn't enabled?
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11:00<sarc>yes, i do
11:00<sarc>i can restore images if machine dies
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11:00<amiun>h r u
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11:00<babilen>smv: I concur -- but apparently that is what sarc wants to do. Who am I to question his/her motives?
11:00<amiun>ازيكم يا شباب
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11:01<sarc>tty1-6 do not take me to a blank screen when they are disabled
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11:01<smv>sarc, have you rebooted since edited inittab?
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11:02<sarc>but 7-12 do
11:02<sarc>yes i have rebooted
11:02<amiun>ما فى زول بفهم عربي
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11:02<smv>!tell amiun -about en
11:03<felixs>smv: telinit q rereads inittab (no reboot necessary)
11:03<babilen>sarc: compile your own kernel, edit linux/include/linux/vt.h and change MAX_NR_USER_CONSOLES to 1 -- Just an idea, no idea if that works
11:03<sarc>ok, is that the only way you know of?
11:04<babilen>sarc: What are you actually trying to achieve?
11:04<babilen>sarc: You have users that log into Xorg and you want to prevent them from switching to different ttys?
11:04<sarc>i am trying to convince the terminal to not go to a blank screen when i press ctrl alt f7-f12
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11:05<sarc>i dont have users that login to Xorg
11:05<babilen>sarc: And yes, I've told you how to disable them (in the sense of "no login there") and I made an educated guess how to remove them completely ...
11:05<sarc>i am not running X, i have a custom shell
11:05<babilen>sarc: Well, don't press CTRL-ALT-FN then ;)
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11:05<sarc>it is not me that will be using the machine
11:05<babilen>I don't quite see the problem
11:05<sarc>as i stated, this is not an issue i will have
11:06<babilen>Who will?
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11:06<sarc>hundreds of potential international users with potentially no knowledge of computers
11:07<sarc>i am just trying to customize the system to make it full-proof, that is all
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11:08<sarc>i understand that this is a very minor detail that really doesnt matter but unfortunately i am tasked with making all of these customizations
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11:11<babilen>sarc: I think you'll have to compile your own kernel to achieve that.
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11:13<sarc>babilen: ok
11:13<sarc>babilen: i was just trying to make sure there wasn't some easier way before i went that route
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11:17<valdyn>ctrl-alt fx can be switched off in Xorg config already
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11:18<sarc>dont i have to have X installed to do that?
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11:18<valdyn>useless when X isnt running
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11:19<valdyn>computer illiterates on a text console? hows that going to work?
11:19<sarc>with a very limited instruction set
11:19<sarc>and excellent documentation
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11:23<babilen>sarc: Make sure to disable SysRq as well - They might "accidentially" hit that ;)
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11:25<valdyn>sarc: i would go as far as to say that you should be using X, the vt are not for users
11:25<valdyn>sarc: X even has GUIs for locking down anything
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12:08<edbian>Is it possible to send an sms message to a domain name?
12:09<jackyf>to admin? :)
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12:12<tim>edbian, yes.
12:12<tim>edbian, via email.
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12:12<tim>edbian, echo sms | mail
12:12<edbian>tim, My phone does not have a data plan, I don't have email on it.
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12:13<subspider>smv, look not even your way is working
12:13<subspider>something so easy god
12:13<subspider>installing win 7 from usb it was so easy
12:14<tim>edbian, on a more serious note than the above, you need an sms to email gateway. (google should help you there)
12:14<edbian>tim, This sounds right :)
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12:17<edbian>tim, Did you mean I should google search sms to email gateway or that google provides a sms to email gateway service of their own?
12:18<babilen>edbian: I think that you should google that -- "aptitude search sms" also lists a few options ... you can certainly use asterisk, but that is most likely overkill. Check out the others, never done that ..
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12:21<babilen>edbian: Although you might not want to rely on an external interface ...
12:21<edbian>babilen, I should be looking at the last column right? sms-to-mail gateway??
12:21<subspider>smv, babilen now i't following these
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12:22<babilen>edbian: If you have a spare phone you can connect that to your computer and use seomthing like, kennel, smstools, gnokii, asterisk, ... to handle SMS
12:22<smv>subspider, i don't think the procedure is faulty, but perhaps your hardware
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12:23<babilen>edbian: And yes, you are looking for an "SMS-to-mail gateway"
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12:24<retrospectacus>my cellphone carrier provides an email address for every phone. if you email it I get a text, simple.
12:24<subspider>hm i don't know
12:24<subspider>if he can read fro usb way not found iso file
12:24<babilen>retrospectacus: Yeah, that is quite common - but edbian wants it the other way round :)
12:24<edbian>I want to send a text to an email address.
12:25<retrospectacus>ah... well I can compose a text and put an email address in the TO field. But ymmv I suppose
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12:25<smv>subspider, are runing from a live cd?
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12:26<edbian>retrospectacus, Yeah, not the same. You need a data plan for that to work.
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12:27<edbian>I just got it to work btw :D :D :D
12:27<subspider>i have xubuntu and tired of it
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12:29<smv>subspider, can you format and mount that usb stick and use it with any other data? i still think it's faulty.
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12:30<subspider>yes smv i can mount umount
12:30<subspider>put file on the flsh disk evrything
12:30<subspider>getting tired
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12:31<smv>then what exactly isn't working? zcat to the stick?
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12:32<subspider>just detecting the iso file
12:32<subspider>zcar works
12:32<subspider>i made all the sateps you gave me
12:32<subspider>no erros
12:32<subspider>but couldn't found the image
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12:35<subspider>smv opy netinst ISO and a ***RENAMED*** main ISO in the last tuto i'm making do i need two iso ???
12:36<smv>i don't really understand the question
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12:37<subspider>step 4
12:37<subspider>i just need the net installer
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12:40<sarc>babilen: how do i disable SysRq?
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12:40<sarc>babilen: :) im kidding... i appreciate all of your help
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12:42<sarc>valydn: the appliance is command-line driven
12:42<babilen>sarc: set "kernel.sysrq = 0" in /etc/sysctl.conf
12:43<babilen>and subspider is gone again -- I haven't had a user who had that many problems with usb booting ...
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13:05<sarc>does Debian I/O Acceleration Technology?
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13:08<dominique>Hi! I have a debian laptop which I use as a home PC. Whenever the laptop turns off due to a powercut (Yeah, I don't have a battery, and powercuts are frequent in India), I have a strange problem after I reboot. The mouse clicks when stopping pointer movement, although the setting is turned off in the profile. When I do a proper restart, it behaves normally. I use compiz as my default window manager. Help me fix this problem. (I can't afford a battery
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13:25<corpse>hola.... necesito asesoria...
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13:26<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat
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14:01<mka>im trying to install intel wireless drivers
14:01<mka># aptitude -t lenny-backports install linux-image-2.6-$(uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,') firmware-iwlwifi wireless-tools
14:01<mka>this line means that i should downgrade kernel or what?
14:05<moldovean> linux-image-$(uname -r)
14:05<cahoot>mka: what's your present kernel?
14:07<cahoot>mka: backport doesn't imply downgrade - if that's your question
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14:07<mka>2.6.26 my kernel
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14:08<jordanm>it likely wants you to install .32-5 from backports
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14:09<mka>really i can't understand exactly what that means "sed 's,.*" etc
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14:09<jhutchins_lt>mka: sed is stream editor
14:10<jordanm>mka: that is not the complete command
14:10<jhutchins_lt>mka: Tricksy way of checking uname -r then trimming off the 2.6, which could be done less obtusely by leaving that out of the hard text.
14:10<jordanm>mka: it is replacing whatever matches the regexp pattern .*- with nothing (removing)
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14:11<mka>what complete command should be, because i can't understand what i should write exactly in that line?
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14:13<jordanm>mka: the entire line that you pasted goes into a root shell
14:14<chealer>mka: if you don't mind, which wireless card do you use?
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14:14<mka>5100 agn
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14:14<mka>so just write kernel version and all leave it in that way?
14:15<chealer>mka: the line upgrades Linux (in fact, it installs a newer Linux image)
14:15<chealer>mka: which Linux image do you use?
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14:16<chealer>mka: which subarchitecture, what is the name of the Linux image package that provides you 2.6.26?
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14:18<mka>i don't really know what is it :/ distribution?
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14:19<moldovean>uname -r , say ?
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14:20<chealer>mka: what does $ uname -r; output?
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14:21<mka>i wrote it
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14:21<moldovean>it doesn't exist
14:21<chealer>mka: then you can just install linux-image-2.6.32-bpo.5-686 and the 2 other packages
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14:24<rens>hi all, I've reinstalled my laptop, and can't get my wifi to work. My wifi device was named 'Intel Corporation Device' in lspci, but after calling update-pciids it's recognized as 03:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation Centrino Wireless-N 1000. But what should I do know to create a wlan0 device for example?
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14:26<mka>it's working :)
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14:27<chealer>rens: which Debian suite did you install and which one did you have before reinstalling?
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14:28<rens>I was running ubuntu 10 before, now 5.0.5
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14:32<rens>don't know if it's useful, but just installed the discover command. If I run 'discover --vendor-id --model-id pci | uniq', I do not recognize the card in the list
14:33<chealer>rens: I believe you'll need the iwlagn driver for that device, which is not in lenny proper. see
14:33<retrospectacus>rens: what does lspci say about the card? The pciid in particular
14:34<rens>retrospectacus: 03:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation Centrino Wireless-N 1000
14:35<retrospectacus>none of that is the pciid
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14:35<retrospectacus>sorry do lspci -nn
14:36<retrospectacus>should be something like 10de:0054
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14:36<retrospectacus>,pciid 8086:0084
14:36<judd>[8086:0084] is 'Centrino Wireless-N 1000' from 'Intel Corporation' with no known kernel module in lenny but has kernel module 'iwlagn' in sid. See also
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14:37<retrospectacus>rens: /msg dpkg iwlagn
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14:46<saha>I found a debugger that looks usefull
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14:46<saha>it seems that edb isn't included in debian repositories
14:46<saha>How can I verify it and become a maintainer?
14:46<dpkg>The New Maintainer's Guide (, Developer's Reference and Policy document how packages should be made and how they should interact with each other. Ask me about <package basics>, <mentors>, <policy>, <best practices> or see ,
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14:51<mhi_>Hey, what's a good software for drawing flow charts? I'd prefer a specialized tool over using OpenOffice or software with too much dependencies (Kivio). I found Dia already. Do you know alternatives?
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14:53<slush>if that still exists
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14:56<mhi_>slush: Last news from Jan 2008 and maybe too UML-specific, I'll take a look anyways. Thanks!
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14:57<moldovean> no package named 'staruml' was found.
14:58<slush>oh well, it just came to tought :)
14:58<PovAddict>apt-cache search UML
14:58<PovAddict>then ignore the packages related to User Mode Linux and see if any of the others seems useful
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15:01<mhi_>well, it shouldn't be pure UML
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15:04<themill>mhi_: tikz is good for that, if you like latex
15:04<cinch>i'm having not much luck running the official 32bit firefox on debian "sid" amd64. any ideas to fix?
15:05<rens>tried to install the 2.6.32 kernel image following, but it fives me an FATAL unkown module iwlagn...
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15:06<wizard_85>hello is there a channel for general pc problems?
15:06<chealer>rens: are you sure you didn't miss step Restart your system and boot with the newly installed kernel. éé6
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15:07<rens>yeah, quite sure, because X didn't start anymore :p gonna make sure I've my graphics drivers, and gonna try again ;-)
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15:08<wizard_85>i have a sort of networking problem, my router connects to internet, my laptop connets to it but i cant go online, it doesnt even open the setup of the router
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15:08<wizard_85>what happpened?
15:09<wizard_85>im using my old adsl modem now
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15:09<rens>so, gonna try again :D later
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15:29<rens>chealer: hmmz.. it's working now :D Thnx... but now another question ;-) Can I also install the kernel-sources of the 2.6.32 kernel somehow?
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15:31<rens>ow wait, just let me play a bit :p overlooked something :p
15:32<saha>well, I read some howtos about package maintaining
15:32<saha>I have few questions
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15:33<mhi_>themill: thanks!
15:33<saha>First, is it ok to maintain package that I don't use?
15:34<bremner>saha: why do you want to? In general it is ok, but might lead to badly maintained packages if you are not motivated.
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15:34<rens>package was named linux-sources, not kernel-sources :D
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15:35<saha>bremner: I want to maintain a package for program named EDB - Evan's Debugger
15:35<bremner>saha: again, why?
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15:37<saha>hm, firstly I thought that edb may be usefull for me
15:37<moldovean>saha, get payed for ?
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15:38<saha>moldovean: What do you mean? My english is still far from perfect
15:39<bremner>saha: so, you thought you might use edb, but then you decided not?
15:39<saha>ah, yes
15:40<bremner>saha: the problem is you have to convince someone it is worth having the package in Debian; if you don't use it, it seems less convincing.
15:41<saha>other distributions have this package, why debian shouldn't?
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15:41<saha>recently I started studying reverse engineering of binaries, so I need a debugger for it
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15:43<saha>edb is claimed to be OllyDbg replacement for linux
15:43<bremner>saha: it will take work by other people as well to get the package into debian. This is not necessarily a problem, but when you ask someone to do work for you, you need something to sell the idea.
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15:48<saha>In other words, after someone builds package, work of other people is required, right?
15:48<saha>And what is good reasoning for including a package in debian?
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15:49<bremner>it is useful for many people?
15:49<jordanm>saha: your package needs to be sponsered. your reason for including should be something like: its useful for doing X
15:50<bremner>typically it will take several rounds of review of your package before it is ready for upload. You could look at the archives of to get an idea.
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15:53<saha>hm, thanks for the links
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15:54<moldovean>only 369 messages for july ..
15:54<bremner>see also |
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15:55<pavi>I am using sid My time on machine has changed . It went back 5 days . A recent upgrade was crying about some conflicting time stamps . The result was touchpad button was not working .
15:56<pavi>I corrected the time . should I dpk reconfigue X or something ?
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15:56<dpkg>[ntp] Network Time Protocol, a protocol for synchronizing clocks of computer systems over a network. "aptitude install ntp" for basic usage, use "" as your NTP server if you don't have one of your own already. See also <set time>, <openntpd>, <pool.ntp>, <squeeze ntp>.
15:57<pavi>moldovean, something always to do with ntp .. I must remove that damn thingy
15:57<pavi>why does the time always keeps on messing up ?
15:58<moldovean>pavi, a bug maybe ? see bts
15:59<pavi>moldovean, I think it was you who helped me get the time right by changing something . This time I manually changed with date command
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15:59<moldovean>pavi, not me, sry
16:00<jordanm>pavi: ntp -q should be the command for fixing time
16:01<pavi>wow ntp has vanished from my machine :)
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16:01<pavi>I also use experimental repos and some multimedia repos . sometimes some packages vanish with aptitude upgrade I guess I need to do safe upgrade
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16:03<jordanm>pavi: upgrade is safe-upgrade
16:03<jordanm>experminatal packages often do not stick around long
16:03<pavi>jordanm, apt-get upgrade seems safe but not aptitude upgrade
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16:04<pavi>aptitude always wants to remain something or other .. it also does some calculations when I type upgrade
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16:08<na5uta-work>pavi, thats the reason why use apt-get
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16:08<pavi>na5uta-work, yes will do
16:09<na5uta-work>pavi, in sid will aptitude kill ur system
16:09<moldovean>!why use aptitude
16:09<moldovean>!why aptitude
16:09<dpkg>aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution and will often find a solution where apt-get gives up. It can be used from the command line like apt-get plus an interactive resolver makes it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. It has advanced search capabilities (see <aptitude search>).
16:09<pavi>yes I like aptitude search it shows which packages are installed or not
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16:10<pavi>aptitude show gives more details on package
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16:10<na5uta-work>moldovean, i know, in a standartsystem is aptitude ok, but not in modified system
16:11<moldovean> modified system ?
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16:13<na5uta-work>moldovean, with parts of kanotix and so on
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16:13<bremner>well, that is like saying aptitude is no good with a chainsaw shoved up your nose.
16:13<moldovean>or ubuntu , heh
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16:15<na5uta-work>no *buntu on my system, i dont pry to the devils
16:15<moldovean>na5uta-work, you assumed pavi use a 'modified system' ?
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16:16<moldovean>na5uta-work, so you use sidux ?
16:16<pavi>I used debian sid on eeepc 901 with experimental for Koffice and some multimedia repo which I just removed. vlc repo for libdvdcss3
16:16<na5uta-work>what is sidux?
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16:17<moldovean>a kanotix deviant
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16:17<moldovean>na5uta-work, /msg dpkg sidux
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16:18<na5uta-work>oh, yes. i remember, its possible :-D
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16:19<devil>sidux has nothing in common with kanotix other that the former kanotix team started sidux
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16:19<moldovean>so term 'deviant' seems ok
16:19<na5uta-work>i never say that!
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16:23<dpkg>[sidux] a live distribution <based on Debian> Sid, with a special focus on clean and easy hard disk installation. It is off-topic in #debian. Please /join #sidux on
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16:24*pavi just learnt about dpkg-reconfigure tzdata to set a proper timezone
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16:28<pavi>another n00b question : when I type apt-get upgrade it says some packages are kept back for me it shows some 30-40 packages . why are they kept back ?
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16:29<KukuNut>pavi: not ready
16:30<pavi>not ready for installation ? why ?
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16:30<amphi_>pavi: they may require packages to be removed, or new packages to be installed, also
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16:31<amphi>damn tail
16:31<KukuNut>pavi: it's like in a wedding.. the groom is not in yet so the party is not complete
16:31<pavi>amphi_, can I ask it for what packages it want to remove/install ? does aptitude upgrade do the same thing ?
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16:31<devil>pavi: with sid i only run apt-get dist-upgrade. man apt-get shows the differences
16:32<pavi>dist upgrade is for changing distro versions right ?
16:33<devil>pavi: read man apt-get
16:33<pavi>yeah will do
16:33<chealer>!tell pavi about kept back
16:33<devil>sid is rolling release, no versions
16:34<pavi>devil, if its the same release .. why use dist upgrade ?
16:34<pavi>anyways reading man
16:34<moldovean>pavi, tzdata is for the Earth area , you were before 5 days behind Earth time, maybe on an asteroid coming next here ..
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16:37<pavi>moldovean, lol I felt the same .. the date on my eeepc was 22nd july .. what happened to those 5 days ?
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16:38<moldovean>pavi, nothing .. as usually
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16:39<pavi>aptitude upgrade just gave me a conflict on python-zopeinterface ,something about 3.4,0-1 is installed . I am purging that and that gave me lot of other packages which have been kept back
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16:39<jordanm>!tell pavi about sid
16:40<pavi>jordanm, I had enough chat with bots :P
16:40<devil>pavi: no packages kept back here
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16:42<pavi>why is dpkg telling that " sid is not supported in #debian because sid users should be able to solve their own problems." c'mon sid users need more love as they are potential contributors ;)
16:43<moldovean>or trolls ..
16:43<pavi>no I dont agree
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16:44<dpkg>Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>.
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16:44<chealer>pavi: sid is seriously inappropriate to be used as a default release for people that don't know what dist-upgrade and upgrade do.
16:44<retrospectacus>most sid problems cannot be solved by asking in a channel, they can be solved by fixing the bug or waiting for someone else to.
16:45<na5uta-work>bug report?
16:46<pavi>ok I get the point .
16:46<moldovean>pavi, just fix bosslinux is a good start ...
16:46<na5uta-work>yeah, i have sns
16:48<pavi>moldovean, BTW forgot to tell the channel that boss people have couriered me a DVD to home in 2 days . The live version was ok
16:48<pavi>more faster than shipit
16:51<moldovean>pavi, cool , now tell them they pirated Debian ..
16:51<pavi>bosslinux team proudly tell that they are based on debian :)
16:51<pavi>but somewhere internally
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16:52<heyitsme>hi there
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16:53<heyitsme>what is my best option in debian for virtualization ? i do not have VT-capable cpu...
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16:54<dpkg>For resources concerning the use of Debian as a host for virtual computers, or as a guest within a virtual computer, see . Also ask me about <hyper-v>, <kvm>, <linux-vserver>, <lxc>, <mol>, <openvz>, <pearpc>, <qemu>, <user mode linux>, <virtualbox>, <virtual pc>, <vmware>, <xen>, <xve>, <ksm>.
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16:57<heyitsme>will xen continue to be supported by debian ?
16:58<jordanm>heyitsme: I recommend virtualbox for desktop virtualization
16:58<heyitsme>from what i understand redhat and ubuntu are dropping it
16:58<heyitsme>it's for a server envt
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16:59<jordanm>your server environment can't get a CPU with VT support?
16:59<jordanm>do they even sell xeons or opertons without?
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16:59<heyitsme>i need to support existing hardware that was bought some time ago
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17:18<cesurasean1>What is the asterisk web based gui package under squeeze named?
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17:19<dondelelcaro>cesurasean1: you mean destar?
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17:20<cesurasean1>dondelelcaro, I'm not really sure. I'm new to Asterisk.
17:20<cesurasean1>I read there was a web based gui for provisioning.
17:21<dondelelcaro>I don't use asterisk, so someone else may know, but apt-cache search asterisk web; is the first place you should start
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17:59<ZeMilkman>so here is my problem: i just installed lenny (5.0.5) in a dualboot with win7
17:59<ZeMilkman>win7 is running fine
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18:00<ZeMilkman>debian on the other hand says "loading" and something about the kernel being (a)live
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18:00<ZeMilkman>and something about not being able to enumerate some usb device
18:00<ZeMilkman>and just doesn't do anything
18:01<ZeMilkman>waited for like 5 min then rebooted, same thing
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18:02<jordanm>ZeMilkman: try booting into single user mode. if nothing else, it won't supress output
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18:04<ZeMilkman>alright i'll do that but not right now... i'll enjoy my win7 for now :D
18:05<ZeMilkman>someone told me it was probably because lenny is ancient and i should install the testing release or ubuntu instead
18:06<jordanm>ZeMilkman: stable has a newer kernel available for new hardware that was not typically supported.
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18:06<jordanm>ZeMilkman: when you come to a channel for support, its best if you are prepared to actually try and fix it
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18:07<ZeMilkman>i was.. but someone i haven't been talking to in month just chatted me up and so i don't want to fry everything right now
18:08<corban>What happens if disable all USB?
18:09<moldovean>will explode ?
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18:09<ZeMilkman>sorry guys
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18:09<ZeMilkman>i'll be back tomorrow
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18:09<ZeMilkman>thanks for your help so far though
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18:16<edbian>I want to write a program that reads emails and acts according to instructions in them. Is there a language you can suggest? Is there an easy way to tell the program "read an email when it arrives" ? I imagine this will be the most difficult part.
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18:18<dondelelcaro>edbian: I've written those sorts of things in perl, but you can write them in any language
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18:18<edbian>dondelelcaro, How do you do the constant watching for new mail?
18:18<dondelelcaro>edbian: a .forward or procmail is generally how you'd invoke the script, but you can do it in any fashion you want
18:19<edbian>dondelelcaro, .forward to where? I'm not that familiar with forwards. I thought you had to send email to another address?
18:20<dondelelcaro>edbian: no, they can also invoke a program
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18:21<edbian>dondelelcaro, I'm researching now. Thank you. So I don't waste time. Can I write a .forward that invokes a program in the email is from a certain address and then delete the message? I'll spend my time figuring out how. I just want to know if it's possible.
18:22<jordanm>edbian: if you want to look at some example code, check out "vacation"
18:22<edbian>program if* the email...
18:22<edbian>jordanm, vacation in what context?
18:22<dondelelcaro>edbian: yes; it's easier to do that using procmail, actually
18:22<jordanm>edbian: yes, you pipe the email in the .forward. IIRC something like \| command
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18:22<edbian>dondelelcaro, Then I'll look at procmail
18:22<jordanm>edbian: vacation is the name of the program
18:22<edbian>jordanm, Thanks
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18:26<edbian>I'm running postfix already. Does postfix have this functionality??
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18:30<dondelelcaro>edbian: postfix integrates with procmail
18:30<dondelelcaro>(every real mail system does, actually)
18:30<jordanm>exim4 alone will honor ~/.forward
18:32<edbian>thanks guys!
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19:13<xerok29>hello Aguiar has a program to hide an ip nesecito urgent
19:14<xerok29>hello Aguiar has a program to hide ip urgently need a
19:14<abrotman>what is Aguiar ?
19:14<xerok29>hello to
19:14<xerok29>lead you have a program to hide ip an urgent need
19:15<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat
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19:16<jordanm>I can only imagine what kind of need for hiding your IP as "urgent"
19:16<retrospectacus>hey xerok29, your IP is
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19:32<ryn>hello,im running latest sid with latest ati nonfree drivers and everythings working great:)
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19:36<family102701>hey guys
19:36<family102701>i will kick your ass
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19:36<family102701>you guys are suck
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20:36<k-man>is there a channel that deals with iptables?
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20:37<abrotman>#netfilter on
20:37<k-man>thanks abrotman
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20:38<abrotman>411 and more
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20:48<k-man>can i block a range of ips like this with iptables: iptables -I INPUT -m iprange --src-range -j DROP
20:48<k-man>where the range spans across a subnet?
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20:51<abrotman>did you ask #netfilter ?
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21:25<octavio-rdz>hi room what is the best solution for remote desktop ... I have tried vnc but is slow ... comparing it to Win. solution (RDP)
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21:27<abrotman>octavio-rdz: apt-cache search rdp ?
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21:29<octavio-rdz>abrotman: well actually what I want is to connect to my home machine from my work, is there something like a windows remote server in debian?
21:29<abrotman>octavio-rdz: apt-cache search rdp ?
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21:32<sasha>can anyone tell me the command to upgrade to the latest kernel?
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21:32<abrotman>sasha: which one do you have now? what's wrong with that one?
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21:34<sasha>abrotman: I'm not in the need to do it, I'm just curious because I read about a lot of people with different kernel versions, but I'm not gonna upgrade since my box is working perfectly the way it is right now
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21:35<sasha>abrotman: 2.6.32-5
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21:53<xjjk>octavio-rdz: not sure whether it's still maintained, but check out freenx
21:54<octavio-rdz>xjjk: thanks
21:54<xjjk>octavio-rdz: also, I think there might be a rdp server for x11/linux? you'd need to look for it
21:54<xjjk>octavio-rdz: freenx is a sort of meta protocol, makes vnc/rdp/etc MUCH faster
21:55<octavio-rdz>xjjk: oh ok that could be a good option too, specially cause windows clients
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21:55<octavio-rdz>xjjk: sounds good
21:56<xjjk>octavio-rdz: also, if you're not looking at running the entire desktop but only a few apps, check out xmove
21:57<octavio-rdz>xjjk: xmove, is like a remote x session?
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21:57<xjjk>octavio-rdz: no, it's an proxy type of thing
21:57<abrotman>!info xrdp lenny
21:57<xjjk>you can configure what display it's sending to at runtime
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21:58<xjjk>so, you can configure it to connect to your local x11 server
21:58<dpkg>xrdp: (Remote Desktop Protocol (RDP) server), section net, is optional. Version: 0.4.0~dfsg-9 (lenny), Packaged size: 201 kB, Installed size: 612 kB
21:58<xjjk>start an app to connect to xmove instead of your local xserver
21:58<siskulous>Is there a good program in squeeze that will scale power settings based on whether or not a laptop is plugged in?
21:58<octavio-rdz>xjjk: oh ok thanks
21:58<xjjk>later on, login again and tell xmove to connect to your remote server and display things there
21:59<xjjk>if you're doing things over the internet it's probably a bit complicated
21:59<abrotman>siskulous: it should do that
21:59<whirl>Id need a bit of help with networkmanager (squeeze). Im suppose to connect to pppoe connection but it just wont do nothing. Instead it automatically connects to this ifupdown (eth0) which my mate put up to allow my computer to connect to the previous connection. How do I get rid of this?
21:59<xjjk>you have to deal with all he firewalls
21:59<abrotman>octavio-rdz: did you 'apt-cache search rdp' yet? there are a few servers, there's no reason to keep asking here
21:59<xjjk>siskulous: laptop-mode-tools and cpufrequtils
22:01<octavio-rdz>abrotman: yes I did abrotman thanks (for a moment I thought you were a bot, cause you just typed the same twice :P)
22:01<siskulous>Eh, I have both of those. Either I've got them set up way wrong or I just need a new battery I guess.
22:01<abrotman>that doesn't make the answer wrong
22:01<octavio-rdz>abrothman: true
22:01<xjjk>siskulous: what's wrong exactly?
22:02<xjjk>they should work without configuration, more or less
22:04<siskulous>I only get 40-60 minutes of use on battery, depending on what I'm doing of course. I thought that was enough that I might be able to stretch it a bit via software rather than buying a new battery.
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22:04<xjjk>siskulous: check out powertop
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22:04<xjjk>it'll give you suggestions on things to enable to save power, as well as tell you what processes are most active (which are probably causing the most power usage)
22:05<abrotman>siskulous: also make sure you turn down your LCD brightness
22:08<siskulous>I keep my brightness pretty low anyway. I'm looking at powertop now. Says no ACPI power usage available.
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22:12<abrotman>is acpi/acpid installed ?
22:12<edbian>I was in here earlier asking about procmail. What is the best way to have the system run a script when an email is received from a specific address?
22:12<siskulous>Of course
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22:13<dondelelcaro>edbian: yes, procmail is the most portable way of doing that
22:14<edbian>dondelelcaro, Thanks. The tutorial says to place the .forward in my user's home. Should it not be in ~/mail ??
22:14<dondelelcaro>edbian: no
22:14<abrotman>siskulous: is this laptop pretty old or really new ?
22:15<dondelelcaro>edbian: unless you've done some serious changes to the mail config, it's in ~/.forward
22:15<edbian>dondelelcaro, Thanks :)
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22:17<siskulous>A couple years old..Not new but not terribly old either.
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22:18<abrotman>siskulous: any messages about ACPI in syslog or messages?
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22:22<siskulous>Nothing out of the ordinary as far as I can tell.
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22:25<abrotman>what is all that 'disabled' nonsnese
22:26<siskulous>No idea. I didn't notice them my first quick glance through.
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22:33<whirl>Id need a bit of help with networkmanager (squeeze). Im suppose to connect to pppoe connection but it just wont do nothing. Instead it automatically connects to this ifupdown (eth0) which my mate put up to allow my computer to connect to the previous connection. How do I get rid of this?
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22:42<jordanm>whirl: ifupdown reads configurations from /etc/network/interfaces
22:42<jordanm>whirl: man interfaces; also, good examples in the reference manual
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22:43<whirl>jordanm: ahh cheers. Ill check it out
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22:47<cesurasean>Still Installing Debian Etch on this poweredge 2300. Anyone have a clue why it's taking so long to load?
22:47<cesurasean>only at 83% since yesterday
22:48<cesurasean>when i pop windows into this machine, it runs pretty decent speed with windows 2003, so i know it's not THAT slow....
22:48<abrotman>it's probably pointing at a crappy mirror, i'd recommend unplugging it from the internet before you install
22:48<cesurasean>i think maybe it's the debian installer?
22:48<cesurasean>abrotman, it's a netinstall.
22:48<jordanm>if you are just now installing, why etch?
22:48<cesurasean>jordanm, because lenny, nor squeeze will boot.
22:48<abrotman>cesurasean: you don't need the internet to finish the install, start again, unplug the network
22:49<cesurasean>what was it, PCI errors
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22:49<cesurasean>abrotman, i would rather give it some more time before starting over.
22:49*abrotman bets it won't finish
22:50<abrotman>there is a debug console also
22:50<dondelelcaro>cesurasean: there's really no point in installing etch, though
22:50<cesurasean>it says Installing the kernel -
22:50<abrotman>cesurasean: isn't this like a Xeon 2.4Ghz?
22:50<cesurasean>dual 400mhz
22:51<cesurasean>so, that's playing a factor somewhat, im not sure why it's SOOO slow though
22:51<cesurasean>Windows 2003 runs slightly ok on it
22:51<abrotman>cesurasean: doesn't it have a debug console in alt-f3 or f2 ?
22:51<cesurasean>seems to be some kind of ACPI problems with Debian, i think
22:51<cesurasean>it says please enter to activate console
22:51<jordanm>you can disable acpi with the boot param acpi=off
22:52<abrotman>did you try the acpi=off with lenny/squeeze /
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22:52<cesurasean>jordanm, i tried that already
22:52<cesurasean>doesn't seem to help at all...
22:52<abrotman>tried the noapic stuff?
22:53<cesurasean>I can hear it make slight noises, but for the most part the CPUs aren't running full speed, so it seems...
22:53<cesurasean>I tried noacpi
22:53<abrotman>no .. noapic
22:53<cesurasean>i knew i had it wrong
22:54<cesurasean>maybe that's why it didn't work.
22:54<abrotman>cesurasean: there is acpi=off and apic=noapic (I think that's right)
22:54<cesurasean>what is apic-noapic?
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23:02<xjjk>advanced programmable interrupt controller
23:03<xjjk>my advice: don't bother trying to understand what's going on
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23:51<skavorodker>hi all =)
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23:53<skavorodker>well, is there anyone alive here? :)
23:53<skavorodker>i knew that
23:54<skavorodker>may i ask a question?
23:54<bja>you just did
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23:54<skavorodker>oh great
23:54<skavorodker>and two or more?
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23:54<bja>wait an hour for your next question
23:55<skavorodker>oh my god, this looks like a cooldown in RPG's
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23:55<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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23:56<skavorodker>sorry, i'm a newbie. besides, i'm not english-speaking
23:56<bja>uzbekistan, yes we know
23:57<bja>you might feel more comfortable in #debian-ru, but ask anyways
23:57<skavorodker>I've got a problem with installing debian 5.0 on compaq proliant ml 370 g2 - everything goes OK except network card
23:57<bja>lspci -nn
23:57<skavorodker>intel pro 100
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23:57<skavorodker>but e100 module does not work
23:58<skavorodker>i've found specs here
23:58<bja>skavorodker: please comply with the output of lspci -nn|grep Network
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23:59<skavorodker>bja: well, ok, will return a bit later with this output :)
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