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00:26<def3ctive>hm...
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00:26<def3ctive>hello
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00:27<def3ctive>hello :)
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00:33<def3ctive>so should i go to sleep or stay awake and make an idiot of myself...
00:33<def3ctive>decisions decisions...
00:33<xjjk>neosmatrix: OK, so the problem you want to solve, is that your disks are spinning down too quickly
00:34<xjjk>nevermind powertop/etc then
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00:34<xjjk>neosmatrix: do you have laptop-mode-tools installed? they have a part that configures how quickly to spin down disks
00:34<xjjk>barring that, take a look at hdparm
00:35<xjjk>there's an option that lets you set the "sensitivity" (?) to how quickly the disks should be spun down
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00:56<whirl>Is there any way to connect to pppoe connection using network-manager? I try to configure it but it doesnt even try to connect to it. Instead it goes back to ifupdown eth0 which isnt working anymore.
00:56<whirl>I dont really understand these things
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01:18<whirl>does anyone have any experience connectin ton pppoe with network-manager? Im in China and the isp cant help me with this. Or is the pppoeconf only option?
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01:30<chealer>whirl: what do you mean by ifupdown eth0?
01:31<whirl>chealer: I believe it connects to this other non-valid (?) connection that was used before in my building
01:31<chealer>whirl: I don't know network-manager, but as far as I know pppoeconf is basically the only option.
01:31<whirl>it changed to pppoe so Ive been trying to get it work
01:31<whirl>alright Ill try that one then
01:32<whirl>right now Im in internet cafe trying to figure this out
01:32<chealer>whirl: did you try pppoeconf already?
01:32<whirl>no, not yet
01:33<jm_>I use ifupdown to manage pppoe
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01:36<whirl>jm_: how do you do that?
01:37<jm_>whirl: /usr/share/doc/pppoe/README.Debian explains it
01:38<whirl>jm_: ah alright
01:38<jm_>whirl: I copied the original provider scripts and edited those
01:39<jm_>one other thing is that it might require CHAP so you need to edit chap-secrets too
01:39<whirl>jm_: theres the problem
01:39<whirl>these guys I tried to get it working didnt even recognize the word "username"
01:39<whirl>I need to figure this out my self
01:40<jm_>you can't figure out the username, your ISP needs to tell you that
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01:40<whirl>jm_: I know, I know. I mean that they cant tell me anything cause they dont understand
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01:41<whirl>I cant get any information from them
01:41<jm_>whirl: ahh, any machine that has it configured already?
01:42<whirl>no
01:42<jm_>bummer
01:42<whirl>yep
01:43<whirl>pppoeconf might be the only chance then?
01:43<jm_>pppoeconf just creates the files like pap-secrets, it won't help you if you don't know the username/password etc.
01:44<whirl>I know those
01:44<whirl>Wait, Ill just check that txt file first
01:44<jm_>so what else do you need to know then? just go ahead and try it then
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01:47<whirl>jm_: yeah I'll give that a try too when I get home
01:47<whirl>thanks alot
01:47<jm_>np
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02:01<whirl>jm_: btw should this be written to debian wiki? I mean if this works as well as I hope, it could be valuable information to all of us new guys
02:01<jak>hi i want to disable the cdrom in my lenny system. for that i added the blacklist in the modprobe. It actually not loaded the module. But when i try to mount with the mount command it is mounting. what i do
02:02<neosmatrix>xjjk: it seems that I solved my problem with hdparm -S0 /dev/xxx against all raid members.
02:02<neosmatrix>till now kde runs smooth :) thx for the help
02:02<xjjk>neosmatrix: great. I think that turns off spindown completely
02:02<xjjk>neosmatrix: BTW, the "bug" here is in GNOME, IMHO
02:02<jm_>whirl: well I suppose, but it's there in the readme anyway (we know how many people read those though)
02:02<whirl>jm_: thats my point
02:02<whirl>I didnt even know about these
02:03<jm_>jak: which module did you blacklist and how?
02:03<jm_>jak: and why would you want to disable it anyway?
02:03<jm_>whirl: it's a good practice to learn with Debian - check /usr/share/doc/<pkg>
02:03<jak>greped the lsmod for cdrom and i added this entry in the file /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist
02:03<jm_>which entry?
02:04<whirl>jm_: yeah, now I know
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02:04<neosmatrix>btw. does someone know whether I could get the notifications which aren't closed from dbus
02:04<neosmatrix>somewhere ?
02:04<jak> <jm> "blacklist cdrom "
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02:06<jm_>jak: try "/msg dpkg blacklist" and use the "install ... /bin/true" variant
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02:06<jm_>jak: I also recommend you create a new file for this, say local-blacklist or whatever
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02:07<jak><jm> yes i added the file /etc/modprobe.d/cdrom. with the contents " install cdrom /bin/true"
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02:08<jak>even not mount command is working
02:08<jak>even mount command is working
02:09<jm_>jak: is it showing sd* module being loaded?
02:09<jak>yes , i can mount the device /dev/scd0
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02:10<jm_>jak: sr* not sd* - so lsmod|grep sr
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02:12<jm_>jak: so try blacklisting sr_mod, but note that for now you will have to rmmod it since it's already loaded - also check what dpkg says about initramfs blacklist if you're using a debian kernel
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02:18<jak><jm> i removed sr_mod. how i can check the initramfs blacklist
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02:27<angel>!tell posterdati confmiss
02:27<angel>!tell angel confmiss
02:27<angel>!tell angel conf-miss
02:29<craigevil>!tell angel about selftell
02:29<angel>craigevil: tx
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02:31<jm_>!tell jak -about blacklist-initramfs
02:31<angel>hi
02:32<angel>please I've got problem with mysql (squeeze) I installed mysql-server and tried to create amarok database, but from shell I've got: # mysql -u root -p
02:32<angel>ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: NO)
02:32<jak><jm> no i have the package initramfs-tools only
02:32<angel>it so for every user
02:34<jm_>jak: that's the one yes
02:35<jak>ok i reconfigured the initramfs as you told
02:35<jak>but even with lsmod , i am getting the cdrom
02:35<jm_>sr_mod too?
02:35<jak>yes
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02:36<jm_>did you reboot since rebuilding initrd image?
02:36<whirl>jm_: it works
02:36<jm_>whirl: sure it does :)
02:36<whirl>dont know why cause I didnt do nothing :D
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02:37<whirl>I just put all the information I had to the network manager and for some reason this time it worked
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02:41<jak><jm> i restarted the machine. now its not mounting. thanks
02:42<jak><jm> i disabled the cdrom drive
02:43<jm_>jak: no worries
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02:51<detly>hey, I'm having trouble with pm-hibernate (from pm-utils) restarting instead of resuming from hibernate - where can I start debugging it?
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03:26<ao2>hi I have some problems with avahi after latest avahi-daemon update. For instance, when I run "avahi-browse -D" I get "Failed to create client object: Daemon not running", but the daemon is running. Any ideas? I also tried stracing "avahi-browse" and it seems to have problem with /var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket
03:27<r0ger>i know most apps take care of it, but did you try restarting it after the update?
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03:27<ao2>r0ger, even rebooted
03:28<r0ger>i have no idea then
03:28<r0ger>i've never really messed with avahi
03:29<ao2>r0ger, if you have debian sid and avahi-daemon 0.6.27-1 would you mind running "avahi-browse -D"?
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03:35<Martian67_>seems like a dbus issue
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03:38<ao2>martian67, indeed, org.freedesktop.Avahi does not seem to be available (checked with mdbus2). btw am I the only one getting this?
03:38<martian67>no idea sorry
03:38<martian67>i avoid both dbus and avahi :)
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03:40<r0ger>ao2: i'm not running sid sorry
03:41<ao2>r0ger, thanks anyway
03:41<r0ger>but it seems to work fine (as far as i can tell) with 0.6.26-1 so maybe a downgrade would be in order for the time being?
03:42<r0ger>wish i could be more helpful
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03:43<ao2>let's try downgrading
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03:46<ao2>yep, 0.6.26-1 works. Can anybody else with sid and 0.6.27-1 try running "avahi-browse -D"? Just to test it is not only me, so I can send a bugreport.
03:47<rsmith>which package (Lenny) contains the GCC man pages?
03:47<jm_>cc-4.3-doc: /usr/share/man/man1/gcc-4.3.1.gz
03:47<jm_>gcc-4.3-doc
03:47<jm_>also gcc-doc
03:48<rsmith>hmmm.. doesn't show up in an aptitude search
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03:52<rsmith>oh, I see. gcc-doc is in contrib. Didn't know the gcc doc was non-free. weird
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03:58<nadir>i tried avahi-browse -D and get the same error message like you.
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04:02<Devlin[L]>G'morning all
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04:09<iotaka>hi, I configured a lenny to use ldap, all work fine, but at boot I have some errors because the system try to invoke ldap before network is up, so I add in ldap.conf nss_initgroups_ignoreusers with a list of users to ignore. There is a method more wise? now if I install a new daemon I must add the new local user the the list. Thank you.
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04:32<ryo>haloo
04:32<ryo>hallo
04:32<ryo>i need help
04:32<ryo>please
04:33<cahoot>!ask
04:33<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
04:34<martian67>ask dont ask to ask please
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04:35<ryo>halloo
04:35<ryo>anybody
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04:35<ryo>can see my font?
04:36<ryo>hallo...
04:36<petemc>you should try reading what other people say
04:36<ryo>what do you mind?
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04:41<deavid>i noticed there's no etch mirror now. Or at least my apt-get blames about it
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04:41<petemc>deavid: /topic
04:42<deavid>petemc: thanks, yes
04:42<petemc>you can use archive.debian.org
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04:43<deavid>thanks, i got it from dpkg bot
04:43<raider>sorry to intrude, couldnt connect to the ubuntu channel, hoping someone here can help. Im having trouple setting up a pptp connection (using ubuntu server 2.6.32-server)
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04:48<iotaka>for my previous problem there is a bug report http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=412989 (I'm using the solutio proposed in the last post ...)
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04:56<kblin>morning folks
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04:58<vizor>hi guys, I'm using nouveau driver. Can I tell initrd to load this module automatically at very begining of boot?
04:58<babilen>vizor: Yes, edit /etc/initramfs-tools/modules, add the module and run "update-initramfs -u"
04:59<vizor>this will just add this module to initrd, but not load it, AFAIK
05:00<vizor>and I have it there :)
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05:09<babilen>vizor: You can also add it to /etc/modules to make sure it is loaded
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05:10<lau>hello, does debsums verify the checksum of all files included in a packet or just the .deb md5 itself ?
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05:10<lau>man debsums gives
05:10<lau>NAME : debsums - check the MD5 sums of installed Debian packages
05:10<jm_>lau: the files that have md5sums
05:11<jm_>that is, files in the package
05:11<lau>DESCRIPTION: Verify installed Debian package files against MD5 checksum lists from /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.md5sums.
05:11<lau>hello jm_ ok , files in the package that have md5 thanks
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05:26<raider>http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1263790 i have the same thing, cant find a solution to it :(
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05:40<iotaka>raider: are you using apt-cacher-ng?
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05:46<raider>iotaka, i dont know what that is ?
05:48<iotaka>raider: is a proxy to cache .deb packages, useful if you have a lot of machine to update, the package is downloaded only the first time is used
05:48<raider>i dont think i do then, its a totaly clean install of ubuntu server
05:49<moldovean>ask #ubuntu
05:49<raider>cant connect to it :(
05:49<weasel>not our problem
05:49<weasel>this is #debian, not #ubuntu.
05:49<raider>im aware
05:50<iotaka>raider: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1348166
05:50<raider>its my problem ye, i get that ;)
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05:52<raider>iotaka, virtualbox ?
05:52<raider>ahh
05:53<iotaka>raider: yep also to me virtual box but on a lenny
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05:53<iotaka>raider: I use also apt-cacher-ng
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05:54<raider>i dont use virtual box, im not sure. I want to install pptp-linux but as the apt-get is failing on me it wont let me install anything
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05:56<iotaka>raider: it fai lonly the update, you can use aptitude install
05:57<iotaka>is only a boring error during aptitude update
05:58<raider>well it says for everything cant find package xxxx etc pptp-linux
05:59<iotaka>raider: apt-cache policy pptp-linux
06:00<raider>iotaka, unable to locate
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06:01<ansgar>raider: Try again with Debian? Maybe it will work.
06:01<iotaka>raider: so you not have in your list of available packages, if you not use virtual box disable the source and then aptitude update
06:01<raider>i dont use virtual box
06:02<iotaka>raider: so vim /etc/apt/source.list and comment virtualbox entry
06:02<iotaka>then update
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06:02<raider>ahh sorry, theres not virtual box in my source list, its just the same errors i get on the normal repositoris, sorry
06:03<iotaka>ahh
06:03<raider>cant copy paste as its remote sessioned in (its a hyper-v install)
06:03<iotaka>raider: try to change mirror
06:03<raider>i have
06:04<raider>tryed, us, cz and now dk
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06:06<iotaka>raider: are you able to reach the servers (mirrors) with a w3m or a wget?
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06:08<raider>ye, the update prints this all over : (stdin) is not a bzip2 file.
06:08<raider>guessing thats why it fail
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06:16<Imran-UK>hi, we have a serious problem with our debian lenny fileserver. it uses nfs and it looks like a problem with lockd where no-one can lock files.
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06:18<Imran-UK>we recently upgraded from etch to lenny some days ago. it was fine up to today. i see log traces like this in syslog: kernel: [ 4471.200158] lockd: cannot monitor <hostname>
06:18<moldovean>Imran-UK, don't ask same question in same time on both #d channels
06:19<Imran-UK>moldovean, but they're on different networks.
06:19<moldovean>and ?
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06:20<Imran-UK>moldovean, in short, i don't see a problem. in my experience its normally different users on each. i'm in a hurry as my users are having problems.
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06:21<raider>iotaka, here is a more mathing example of the issue http://ubuntu-ky.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=9327309
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06:23<moldovean>!multiple ask
06:23<dpkg>The chance of you getting a useful answer is inversely proportional to the square of the number of times you ask in a short amount of time: that is, if you ask four times in succession, you're 1/16 as likely to get a useful answer. Also, please don't ask both in freenode and OFTC at the same time; there's no real point in doing so and it's just annoying. See <hurry> <cross post>
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06:24<Imran-UK>moldovean, ok thanks, i'm comply with netiquette in future.
06:27<iotaka>raider: the errore seem linked to proxy (for me is apt-cache-ng, in my case)
06:28<raider>hmm, ye same conclusion, i should be able to comment out proxy in apt.conf but cant find that file iotaka
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06:30<iotaka>raider: ll /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/
06:30<iotaka>is the list of file that can contain the proxy conf
06:31<raider>thats a directory
06:31<raider>ahh
06:31<raider>ye
06:32<iotaka>raider: also the file /etc/apt/apt.conf see if there is an entry similar to this Acquire::http::proxy "http://proxy:3142/";
06:33<raider>did a cat on all files in the dir, no proxy information
06:33<raider>i dont have a apt.conf file
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06:56<Imran-UK>looks like i sorted by problem anyhow, lenny uses nfs4 by default and does not start statd. some clients have problems with this. solution was to enable statd in /etc/default/nfs-common and restart nfs-common
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07:03<austinium>does debian use delta updates?
07:03<austinium>a delta update is when only the parts that have changed from the previous version are downloaded
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07:04<Myon>austinium: no
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07:05<Myon>not for .debs
07:05<Myon>it does for Packages files
07:05<austinium>the packages.gz files?
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07:05<austinium>oh ok, the package list from repositories?
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07:51<dane>I love me some debian
07:52<Imran-UK>someone include that line in the topic :D
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07:55<dane>:D
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08:02<ene>huhu guten tag
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08:03<ene>weiß jemand wie ich bei sidux firefox innstalliere?
08:03<babilen>ene: Guten Tag -- Unfortunately this is an English speaking channel ...
08:03<babilen>!de
08:03<dpkg>Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de).
08:03<babilen>ene: And sidux is not supported in #debian-* !
08:03<babilen>!sidux
08:03<dpkg>i heard sidux is a live distribution <based on Debian> Sid, with a special focus on clean and easy hard disk installation. It is off-topic in #debian. Please /join #sidux on irc.oftc.net.
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08:04<ene>thx :-)
08:04<babilen>ene: You probably want to install "iceweasel" -- but ask #sidux, I have no idea about their packages
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08:08<raider>iotaka, i found the issue, studid me. Was a firewall which my system was behind which needed to be opened by ssh, didnt notice as i was able to nslookup and do wget (didnt notice the responce was a crappy default page and not the actully file)
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08:11<iotaka>raider: good
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08:15<twb>wnpp-check works, but "reportbug wnpp" claims "Unable to connect to Debian BTS; continue [y|N|?]?"
08:15<twb>...what's up with that?
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08:29<sKeith>I am in gnome, how do i get back to the text mode without closing gnome
08:30-!-mode/#debian [+l 402] by debhelper
08:30<petan>ctrl+alt+f1?
08:30<sKeith>is there any reason that wouldn't work?
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08:31<jm_>yes, it can be disabled in X
08:31<petan>:P
08:31<petan>are you in ubuntu or debian?
08:31<petan>debian does not have it disabled in stable
08:32<sKeith>this is fresh install of debian 5 in vmworkstation. only install so far is vmware tools
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08:33<babilen>sKeith: Does "chvt 1" work?
08:33<babilen>(as root)
08:34<sKeith>alt + f2 then "gksu chvt 1" worked
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08:35<sKeith>does this mean my crtl + alt is being intercepted and i cant do it?
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08:35<babilen>sKeith: Could it be that vmware intercepts the CTRL?
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08:36<sKeith>thanks babilen, i'll make a shortcut to that command
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08:45<twb>I think only C-M-Backspace is disabled by default, and it's done by upstream, not Ubuntu
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08:46<twb>sKeith: either vmware is eating ctrl+alt+f1, or it doesn't support your tty1 console modeline (unlikely), or whatever image you're booting has nothing running on tty1
08:50<Lethalman>hello
08:50<Lethalman>how can I add a hook after wifi interface comes up?
08:51<Lethalman>I need to run iwconfig eth1 power off
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08:51<Lethalman>I'm looking for a way to set options on wifi loading
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08:52<twb>Lethalman: "post-up iwconfig eth1 power off"
08:52<twb>see interfaces(5)
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08:52<twb>There's probably a more idiomatic way within the wireless-tools documentation
08:53<Lethalman>twb, thanks
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08:53<Lethalman>twb, the interfaces thing is enough if it works :)
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08:57<raider>anyone know the keycode (holding alt + numpad) for typing backslash
08:57<raider>\
08:58<babilen>raider: No, but have some: '\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\' -- ALT+92
08:58<raider>htanks .D
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09:00<raider>know $ aswell :D
09:00<raider>?
09:00<raider>or where to look em up
09:00<raider>google told me 50!
09:00<raider>36 it is
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09:01<Lethalman>ok I have a samsung n210 eeepc and does not have /sys/class/backlight/eeepc/brightness
09:01<Lethalman>I can't modify the brightness
09:02<moldovean>raider, are you using debian ?
09:02<Lethalman>any hints?
09:06<Lantizia>Hey I'm setting up a web site that need the following "PHP Extensions"... GD, IMAP, Zlib, OpenSSL, Curl.... now I have identified 3 of them as packages... php5-gd php5-imap php5-curl... any idea what it might mean by OpenSSL and Zlib? (given they're listed under PHP Extensions in the manual)
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09:13<sarc>searching the packages on Debian.org for those names always seems helpful to me
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09:30<sKeith>twb, its eating the crtl+alt+f1 , as we can get the tty1 up with by command line
09:30<sKeith>i've made laucher on desktop so am happy with this as a solution.
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09:48<Xeross>Is there any way to make debian move swap memory back into ram memory when there's room
09:48<Xeross>I have 40mb of unused ram and 40 mb of swap used
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09:49<martian67>Xeross, is it effecting anything?
09:49<martian67>no?
09:49<martian67>dont worry about it
09:50<martian67>linux is much smarter about managing memory than you are
09:50<notrev>lol
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09:51<martian67>'optimizing" things that dont need to be optimized, with little or no understaning
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09:51<martian67>is a great way to get a slower/broken system
09:51<Xeross>martian67: This box has crashed before because of heavy swap memory usage, so I'm kind of overcautious
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09:52<moldovean>Xeross, how much ram there?
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09:53<Xeross>moldovean: got 256mb on this VPS, apache was borking up badly I guess
09:53<Xeross>moldovean: switched to nginx and after some tweaking it seems to run smoothly
09:53<martian67>if you are getting heavy swapping you dont have enough ram for your workload
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09:54<martian67>Xeross, linux pushes out un-used pages to swap even if ram isnt full
09:54<martian67>because it uses the ram for disk caching
09:55<martian67>which is more effective way of using it
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09:55<Xeross>It was swapping heavily before I switched and tweaked everything, just monitoring to make sure everything is going along smoothly
09:55<martian67>unless you have a very good reason to mess with that, dont
09:55<Myon>Xeross: swapoff -a;swapon -a, but martian67 is right, don't worry
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09:57<Xeross>as long as my pages keep loading smoothly and my queries keep executing I guess a little swap memory doesn't matter
09:57<Xeross>only thing I'm worried about is that it increases over time
09:58<martian67>the root of the problem isnt the fact that it exists
09:58<martian67>or the way linux chooses to swap
09:58<martian67>messing with that is _NOT_ the answer
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09:59<Xeross>martian67: Ye, ye, I get it now :)
10:01<Xeross>Could get the memory usage down even more if PHP-FPM supported dynamic user switching :?
10:01<Xeross>:/*
10:01<raider>looking at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1443735 (setting up a pptp connection) Anyone who can tell me what is ment by the iprange to send though the tunnel, the last argument of the script
10:01<raider>im not sure what i should enter
10:01<moldovean>raider, are you using debian ?
10:02<martian67>Xeross, ram is the single most important spec on a server
10:02<martian67>and 256 megs isnt much
10:02<martian67>*on most servers
10:03<moldovean>dpkg, tell raider -about ubuntu
10:03<sKeith>I'm looking for where ephiany webbrowser stores its downloads by default. any help
10:03<Xeross>martian67: It should be sufficient on this occasion, it only hosts 8 websites or so of which 2 actually get some traffic (few thousand hits a day)
10:04<Xeross>sKeith: Isn't there an open download folder option ?
10:04<martian67>hm yes
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10:05<moldovean>sKeith, Edit> Preferences> in General check 'Download folder'
10:06<Xeross>martian67: As soon as PHP-FPM supports dynamic user switching (If ever) memory usage could drop another 40-50mb from 205 to 155mb
10:07<sKeith>thanks, turned that option off and now i can save the files.
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10:10<youknowwho>hi, where can I download the latest netinstall images for the testing branch?
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10:10<moldovean>http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/i386/iso-cd/
10:11<moldovean>or so ..
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10:15<jerryclunsfod>I hate to say but I need to install windows on on my debian machine. can this be done without messing everything up?
10:15<youknowwho>thanks modovean!
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10:17<Xeross>jerryclunsfod: Installing debian on a windows system is easy, but windows tends to overwrite your boot entries, so you'd have to fix that afterwards
10:17<moldovean>jerryclunsfod, install it in virtualbox on debian
10:18<sKeith>how do i install program from .deb file. do i need to apt-get a package?
10:18<jerryclunsfod>I haven't done any work with virtual machines.
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10:19<moldovean>jerryclunsfod, time to try it ..
10:19<jerryclunsfod>where to start?
10:19<moldovean>install virtualbox
10:20<jerryclunsfod>sounds easy enough
10:20<simonrvn>sKeith: what? man dpkg
10:20<jerryclunsfod>sKeith gdeb will install .deb files
10:21<simonrvn>jerryclunsfod: if you're talking about 'gdebi', that's not the right command.
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10:22<sKeith>perfect jerryclunsfod. exactly what i was looking for
10:22<jerryclunsfod>I was talking about the gui to install .eb files
10:23<simonrvn>gdebi, yes i know
10:23<moldovean>sKeith, but worry about dependencies ? anyways what's that .deb ?
10:23<sKeith>google chrome
10:24<moldovean>, versions chromium-browser
10:24<judd>chromium-browser -- sid: 5.0.375.125~r53311-1; experimental: 6.0.466.0~r52279-1
10:25<moldovean>sKeith, but can't install is on lenny
10:25<moldovean>s/is/ it
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10:25<sKeith>chrome is working fine here now
10:26<sKeith>just used gdeb on the .deb file google provide
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10:31<jerryclunsfod>moldovean Where can I get more info on installing virtual box
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10:32<moldovean>!vbox-install lenny
10:32<dpkg>As root: "aptitude install virtualbox-ose virtualbox-ose-modules-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,'` && invoke-rc.d udev reload && modprobe vboxdrv". Add your user account to the vboxusers group: "adduser yourusername vboxusers", logout and login again before starting virtualbox. To load vboxdrv at system startup, "editor /etc/default/virtualbox-ose" and set LOAD_VBOXDRV_MODULE to 1.
10:32<jordanm>uhh, that might be old. I have never had to edit that config file for the module to load...
10:32<jordanm>!factinfo vbox-install lenny
10:32<dpkg>vbox-install lenny -- created by gsimmons <~gsimmons@124-168-32-142.dyn.iinet.net.au> at Wed Aug 27 03:01:59 2008 (701 days); last modified at Fri Jul 2 14:10:17 2010 by gsimmons!~gsimmons@chmmr.gsimmons.org; it has been requested 39 times, last by moldovean, 51s ago.
10:33<jordanm>or maybe not...
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11:04<zneic>can someone help me
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11:06<sKeith>ask away. if someone can help, they'll reply
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11:09<martian67>hi, how can i do multifactor authentication with dm-crypt/luks ?
11:09<martian67>like, require both a keyfile AND a password
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11:12<olivierb2>Hi all
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11:13<olivierb2>I have a quick question about repository package translation
11:14<olivierb2>I have my own package repository
11:14<olivierb2>and I would like to translate the package description
11:14<olivierb2>anyone know how to do that?
11:15<jordanm>package description is in the control file
11:17<bremner>olivierb2: maybe this is helpful http://people.debian.org/~jfs/debconf6/html/ ; of course you will have to ignore parts of that talk about people translating official debian packages
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11:18<olivierb2>thanks, I will have a look
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12:34<gnugr>how can i get emacs23 for debian?
12:35<babilen>,versions emacs23
12:35<judd>emacs23 -- lenny-backports: 23.1+1-4~bpo50+1; squeeze: 23.1+1-5; sid: 23.2+1-2
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12:35<babilen>gnugr: You can install it from backports if you are using Lenny
12:35<babilen>!bpo
12:35<dpkg>backports.org is a semi-official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://deb.li/bpoi . A sample line for your sources.list is: deb http://www.backports.org/debian lenny-backports main contrib non-free. Once added: "aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update". <bpo mirrors> <bpo contents> <bpo list> <backports-users> <bpo kernel>
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12:36<jordanm>hehe, I remember backporting that myself, and then seeing it in official days later..
12:37<babilen>hehe -- won't happen with vim ;)
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13:06<paggas>Anyone else using wicd/testing and noticing problems with dhcp clients other than dhcpcd?
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13:08<paggas>Seems like wicd cannot work with clients such as pump and udhcpc :|
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13:14<Lantizia>Hey anyone running dovecot here, I think I found a bug in the debian 5 version of it - and I could use someone else opinion.
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13:16<youknowwho_>Hi, when I try to install from the squeeze netinstall, my keyboard, while both the ragular and the graphical just halts, the keyboard funtions when in BIOS, what could the problem be?
13:17<petemc>Lantizia: dovecot is fairly popular, im sure lots of people here use it
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13:22<youknowwho_>any ideas?
13:22<Aleric>Anyone know what could cause /bin/grep to suddenly have '[a-z]' match uppercase as well?
13:22<Aleric>Some bash 'set'? never saw this before.
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13:23<Aleric>youknowwho_: caps lock doesn't work either anymore?
13:24<Aleric>that usually toggles a light on the keyboard
13:24<themill>Aleric: you'll probably find that one of A or Z is not matched (it's your locale setting)
13:25<Aleric>themill: Z isn't... indeed. What is wrong then?
13:25<youknowwho_>yeah, but as soon as I start the installer, it turns off, be it the graphical or the regular
13:25<Aleric>youknowwho_: after it stops, can you still toggle that led?
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13:26<youknowwho_>nop
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13:26<themill>Aleric: your locale defines a collation that goes a A b B c C ... z Z so [a-z] means [aAbBcC....z]. You probably want [[:lower:]] not [a-z]. Using "LC_COLLATE=C grep '[a-z]' ..." should also work.
13:26<Aleric>youknowwho_: see any cursor blinking in regular, or can you move the mouse in graphical?
13:27<Aleric>themill: You're brilliant :)
13:27<themill>\o/
13:27<youknowwho_>I can move the mouse in graphical, no blinking in regular
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13:29<Aleric>youknowwho_: Ok, well - if you can move the mouse then at least SOMETHING still works, so it isn't the kernel that locked up.
13:29<Aleric>youknowwho_: you have an USB keyboard?
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13:30<youknowwho_>yes
13:30<Aleric>I'd try, after it locked up, to unplug it - and then put the USB plug back in... with a bit of luck that would reset the driver :/ ... if that doesn't work then I don't know... it's weird.
13:31<youknowwho_>it does work at the bios and when I load the debian testing netinstall ti choose either the regular install or the graphical or the advanced options, after that...it stops working
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13:31<youknowwho_>I already tried to do that...
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13:32<Aleric>it's possible that it's doing something network related that takes forever, maybe... but I'm afraid I don't know enough about how the installer works.
13:32<Aleric>Isn't there an option to make it not probe for hardware?
13:33<youknowwho_>ok, thanks anyway
13:33<Aleric>I think it might be probing and that hangs your PC
13:33<youknowwho_>oh, if there is I don't know it
13:33<Aleric>there should be, I vaguely remember it - and it makes sense.
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13:34<Aleric>though what I remember could come after the point where it fails for you... theorectically
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13:47<youknowwho_>well, I guess I can only download the stable netintall and then point to squeeze repos and install from there?
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14:22<raider>After installing openssh, i changed it to listhen on port 2222 instead of 22(blocked by firewall) there should not be anyhting else i should do to beable to remote ssh my box? i can ping it
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14:22<the_hydra>raider, well make sure it is indeed listening on port 2222
14:23<the_hydra>and no firewall rule or anything is blocking on that port
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14:24<iman>i joined to debian users today from fedora :D
14:24<andersom_cruz>hello guys
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14:25<andersom_cruz>anything here
14:25<raider>its a clean install so should be no firewall(theres an extern firewall that blocks from 1024 and down). any easy way to check if it do listen on port 2222
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14:26<raider>ssh localhost:2222
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14:27<the_hydra>raider, or something like " ss -atupn | grep -i ssh"
14:27<raider>dohh, cant do | on that machine, or hmm alt code for it, 2se
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14:29<raider>nothing comes up the_hydra :(
14:29<the_hydra>raider, then maybe it hasn't started yet
14:29<the_hydra>raider, IIRC, try /etc/init.d/ssh start
14:29<the_hydra>it might be "ssh", "sshd", "openssh" or "opensshd"
14:30<the_hydra>whichever you see there
14:30<raider>i have done, it says .starting OpenBSB secure shell server sssh
14:30<icebrain>andersom_cruz: have any questions? just ask :)
14:31<raider>if i dont do grep ssh, it do show it listen for tcp on 2222
14:31<the_hydra>raider, then maybe it is rename
14:31<raider>or actully it says *:2222 but that should include all network interfaces then
14:31<the_hydra>raider, other way...try to ssh to yourself
14:31<raider>i am
14:31<raider>cant connect
14:31<the_hydra>raider, ssh -p 2222 localhost
14:32<the_hydra>raider, can't? sure?
14:32<the_hydra>raider, put "-v" so you know where you stuck
14:32<raider>it works
14:32<raider>with -p 2222 localhost
14:33<raider>ahh that works also now
14:33<raider>just that i did ssh ip:2222 before
14:33<the_hydra>great...so it is solved
14:34<raider>ye
14:34<raider>but should ssh ip:port not work aswell ?
14:34<the_hydra>not sure...but that's what I use....feel free to cross check to man page
14:34<raider>ye :) thanks
14:35<the_hydra>raider, welcome :)
14:35<raider>Anyone know any good/easy app to use for portforwarding. Wanna use my box as "router"
14:36<the_hydra>raider, iptables will serve you well
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14:36<the_hydra>raider, read "man iptables" on REDIRECT target
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14:36<raider>i think i have seen that before, will google for it, thanks
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14:38<the_hydra>raider, ok :)
14:39<icebrain>raider: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/23
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14:50<iman>how can i disable firewall in debian?
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14:51<cahoot>iman: you're sure you have one?
14:52<iman>cahoot: yep
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14:52<babilen>iman: Check the output of "iptables -L" does it list some rules? (paste to http://paste.debian.net if unsure)
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14:54<iman>babilen: http://paste.debian.net/81758/
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14:54<iman>babilen: what is that ?
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14:55<iman>iptables -L
14:55<babilen>iman: Although iptables is installed it does absolutely nothing
14:55<babilen>(or rather: default policy of ACCEPT all incoming/outgoing packets)
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14:56<cahoot>iman: what is the real problem?
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14:56<iman>cahoot: i think my internet speed is very low
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15:00<the_hydra>iman, iptables -L -n
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15:00<the_hydra>for faster listing ...skipping name resolution
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15:01<iman>the_hydra: nothing like before
15:01<jordanm>iman: you can try disabling avahi-daemon. sometimes its mdns will cause slowness issues
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15:01<iman>jordanm: how can i do it ?
15:02<jordanm>iman: for a test: invoke-rc.d avahi-daemon stop; as root (installed by default in gnome)
15:02<the_hydra>iman, low? check ifconfig and see if you get many packets errors first
15:03<iman>the_hydra: i have two packet
15:03<iman>the_hydra: one = eth0 and lo
15:03<the_hydra>iman, that;s interface, not packet
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15:04<iman>the_hydra: how can i see internet speed ? with which program ?
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15:05<raider>just want to know if its posible, dont need to know how. If I have diference sub1.domain.com and sub2.domain.com pointing to the same ip. Is it posible to distinct where a package come from, sub1 or sub2 on the same port ?
15:05<the_hydra>iman, use iptraf or iftop
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15:06<the_hydra>iman, in OS perspective, it comes from same IP...
15:06<the_hydra>iman, unless you bind them to different IPs
15:06<raider>thinking about i have to computers i wanna remote desktop, and instead of changing the default port for one of them i would rather have sub1 and sub2.domain point to the same ip(a thirth pc) which then forward the request to the local ip
15:07<raider>two
15:07<pwork>Hello, I write a script and can't find a solution on this one, that sounds simple at first glance : ./run.sh --date=2010-07-20 19:55 /path dir/to/file
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15:08<pwork>I'd like this one to be a 2-parameters command : "--date=2010-07-20 19:55" and "/path dir/to/file"
15:09<pwork>Whitespace in filename gets auto escaped, so it's good, but I can't find the solution for the first param
15:09<jerryclunsford>how can I access a file on host computer from virtualbox machine. I have set the file to be shared in vb preferences?
15:09<pwork> --date=2010-07-20\ 19:55 or --date="2010-07-20 19:55" won't work neither
15:09<iman>the_hydra: how can i change repository location in Synaptic ?
15:10<the_hydra>iman, directly edit apt conf maybe?
15:10<jordanm>!sources.list
15:10<dpkg>The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian lenny main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <lenny security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list
15:10<iman>the_hydra: in gui ?
15:10<the_hydra>iman, sorry, don't know
15:10<the_hydra>pwork, how about --date='2010-07-20 19:55' ?
15:11<jerryclunsford>settings repositories
15:11<pwork>jerryclunsford, you need to install "guest additions" to be able sharing files with host
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15:11<jerryclunsford>I thought I did
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15:12<pwork>Once in the VM, click on the VBOX tools menu, then "Install guest additions". This will mount a virtual disk in the VM if I remind well
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15:12<jerryclunsford>the Iso is there do I need to mount manually
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15:13<iman>the_hydra: http://paste.debian.net/81760/
15:13<pwork>jerryclunsford, Yeah ;)
15:13<pwork>Cya, I'm not in the good place for scripting it seems
15:13<jordanm>iman: if you are trying to add a cdrom, use apt-cdrom
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15:13<jerryclunsford>ok I installed it but didn't know I had to mount every time
15:14<iman>jordanm: no i want get from us repository
15:14<pwork>You just have to mount it the 1st time, run the setup executable from it, then you can delete the ISO ;)
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15:14<iman>jordanm: how can i change this location ?
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15:14<iman>jordanm: from where ?
15:14<the_hydra>iman, no deb...seems like missing file
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15:14<jerryclunsford>iman try the php forum
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15:17<notrev>iman, have you tried googling? i'm sure there's a lot of links about it
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15:29<iman>when i want to click repositores in Synaptic it say to me i have to Reload but when i do it all the packages starts to update how can i disable it ?
15:30<the_hydra>iman, perhaps easieast way is just edit it in GUI and run "apt-get update"
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15:33<chealer>iman: where exactly do you "click repositores"?
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15:36<raider>iptables are quite complex :D
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16:16<oddtod>I have been wondering if its better to jail certain processes or just create a XEN or a Vbox for certain processes.
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16:21<retrospectacus>oddtod: could be.
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16:37<oddtod>retrospectacus: what could be?
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16:42<retrospectacus>oddtod: could be better to jail certain processes or just create a XEN or a Vbox for certain processes.
16:43<oddtod>retrospectacus: i was wondering which is better to do XEN, Vbox, or jail.
16:43<oddtod>retrospectacus: i like the idea of being able to move a vbox around from one machine to another easily.
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16:44<bremner>the difference in overhead is enormous. Do you care about performance?
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16:46<oddtod>bremner: it depends is the cost of performance going to our weigh the recovery time.
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16:47<oddtod>bremner: my idea was to virtualize everything so if something were to go a wrong with hardware of the physical computer i could easily transfer the vboxes / xen's over to another system.
16:47<luzer>hi! can anyone help, I have problem with "apt-get update", http://pastebin.org/428822
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16:52<bremner>oddtod: there are so many variables it is impossible to say of you will get acceptable performance. I have the impression jail >> Xen > virtualbox in performance on the same hardware, but I haven't done concrete comparisons. There is also a lot of overhead in running seperate OS instances for each application, which would be common to Xen and virtualbox.
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16:54<oddtod>Bremner: yeah maybe i'll just jail everything on an instance of Xen that maybe the best of both worlds. I think this would be an acceptable loss of performance
16:54<oddtod>bremner: thanks for your help
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16:54<bremner>oddtod: good luck
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17:02<raider>anyone good with iptables here, i have my linux box connected to the internet with seth0 and ppp0 (incoming requests are coming from ppp0 and seth0 is another connection which the local computers are accesable on aswell. I would like to add so if a incoming request come on ppp0 port 3386 it forward it to 192.168.0.20:3386
17:03<moldovean>raider, are you using debian ?
17:03<raider>not on this, on box at home yes
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17:04<moldovean>dpkg, tell raider -about ubuntu
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17:06<retrospectacus>luzer: you have "contri" on your sources list for backports instead of "contrib"
17:07<VelvetElvis>Hi, I've been running the offical Oracle VirtualBox package for Lenny under sid. I know this is not supported and probobly shouldn't even work. the problem is that now when I try to upgrade or remove any package I now get '
17:07<VelvetElvis>dpkg-query: parse error, in file '/var/lib/dpkg/available' near line 60680 package 'virtualbox-3.0':
17:07<VelvetElvis> error in Version string `3.0.12-54655_Debian_lenny': invalid character in revision number
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17:07<VelvetElvis>sorry, meant to edit the paste before hitting enter
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17:07<moldovean>, versions virtualbox-ose
17:07<judd>virtualbox-ose -- etch-backports: 1.6.6-dfsg-3~bpo40+1; lenny: 1.6.6-dfsg-3; lenny-backports: 3.2.4-dfsg-1~bpo50+1; sid: 3.2.6-dfsg-2; squeeze: 3.2.6-dfsg-2
17:09<VelvetElvis>for various reasonse OSE wasn't suitable to my needs. I've reported a bug because this seems to indicate that anyone running the offical Oracle package may be left with a hosed system following a Lenny to Squeeze upgrade
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17:09<VelvetElvis>I'm just not sure what to do now since dpkg seems to be broken
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17:11<moldovean>VelvetElvis, ask oracle
17:11<VelvetElvis>how do I uninstall the Oracle VB package so dpkg will work again?
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17:19<jhutchins_lt2>VelvetElvis: How did you install it in the first place?
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17:27<VelvetElvis>I installed it from Oracle's package repository
17:28<VelvetElvis>sudo aptitude install
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17:28<VelvetElvis>only with the new version of dpkg it can't be uninstalled and it keeps dpkg from doing anything else
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17:29<kamal>hi
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17:31<lau>hello, how can I blacklist nf_nat_sip ?
17:31<VelvetElvis>is there a dpkg irc channel?
17:31<lau>/etc/modprobe.d/blacklist-mylist.conf does not work
17:32<lau>I added blacklist nf_nat_sip but this module is started after boot up
17:32<lau>and restarted live even if I modprobe -r it :(
17:32<lau>is there any particularity due to netfilter level ?
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17:35<themill>VelvetElvis: we know what's wrong here and how to fix it -- will you try out a couple of things with me to see what the best solution is?
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17:35<jhutchins_lt2>lau: You should probably consult the netfilter docs. Not everybody uses it.
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17:38<wx9j>how do I add a codec to rip MP3's using sound juicer ?
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17:39<VelvetElvis>sure
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17:40<themill>VelvetElvis: Do you still have the virtualbox-3.0 package installed? And do you want it to remain installed?
17:40<VelvetElvis>It's still installed. I don't care if it stays installed at this point.
17:41<themill>VelvetElvis: ok, so purging the package is hopefully the easiest way of solving the problem. dpkg -P virtualbox-3.0
17:41<VelvetElvis>tried it
17:42<themill>And you still get the same error?
17:42<VelvetElvis>yes
17:42<themill>shame.
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17:43<VelvetElvis>well, virtualbox-3.2, but yes
17:43<themill>the error message you pasted earlier was about virtualbox-3.0 though
17:44<VelvetElvis>3.2 is what I've got installed. hmm
17:44<themill>yeah, that's fine.... dpkg remembers old packages if it thinks there are still config files around
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17:47<themill>VelvetElvis: did you retry "dpkg -P virtualbox-3.0"?
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17:48<VelvetElvis>same thing
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17:49<themill>ok. Just checking.
17:49<themill>!available
17:49<dpkg>run "dselect update" to restore /var/lib/dpkg/available, or if your 'available' file is corrupt, remove it first then see above. Alternatively: "apt-cache dumpavail > /var/lib/dpkg/available && dpkg --update-avail /var/lib/dpkg/available"
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17:49<VelvetElvis>do that?
17:49<themill>VelvetElvis: ↑↑ ok, so what we need to do is to rebuild the available file. Keep a backup of it first.
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17:54<VelvetElvis>I don't have dselect installed and I can't install it with dpkg hosed
17:54<VelvetElvis>so I'll try the other
17:55<VelvetElvis>same error
17:56<themill>Do you still have the repo that's providing these packages in your sources.list?
17:56<VelvetElvis>yeah, I do
17:56<themill>ah... let's remove them first.
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17:57<VelvetElvis>worked that time
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17:58<themill>yay! So now to take a cluebat to Oracle and get them to read Debian policy before making Debian packages.
18:00<VelvetElvis>and the upgrade is working fine. thanks!
18:00<themill>no worries. Steer clear of vbox for the time being by the looks of things.
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18:10<youknowwho>hi, I'm trying to download the torrent for the cd1.iso of debian squeeze from the weekly builds, and ktorrents complaints: error: request download is not authorized for use with this tracker. what should I do? Thanks.
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18:20<youknowwho>any idea on how to solve it?
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18:22<moldovean>youknowwho, use netinstall from official site
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18:24<youknowwho>when I get to the regular or the graphical installer on the daily builds as well as the weekly builds of the netinstall, I can't use my keyboard, and the lenny doesn't support ext4
18:24<moldovean>16:10<moldovean> http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/i386/iso-cd/
18:26<moldovean> 16:15<youknowwho> thanks modovean!
18:26<youknowwho>I already downloaded the #3, #5, and currently downloading #7
18:26<youknowwho>hopefully it gets solved
18:27<moldovean>youknowwho, solved what ?
18:28<moldovean> netinstall is all you needs
18:28<youknowwho>thanks moldovean! but also the squeeze alpha 1 installer locks my keyboard
18:28<youknowwho>well, when I try to install either with the regular installer or the graphical installer I can't use my keyboard
18:29<moldovean>youknowwho, i get you daily builds , forget alpha 1
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18:29<youknowwho>I works in bios and even in de screen selection once you boot the live cd
18:29<youknowwho>already tried the daily builds and the weekly builds
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18:30<youknowwho>It*/ *the
18:31<moldovean>youknowwho, use a net /better keyboard ... that's it add a goog one
18:31<moldovean>good *
18:31<moldovean>s/net / new *
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18:32<youknowwho>I use a usb with cable keyboard, it does function in ubuntu and others distro...
18:32<youknowwho>distros*
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18:33<moldovean>go troll ubuntu
18:34<youknowwho>I should... :D, but really, its odd, I even installed on a different hdd debian lenny with the same keyboard
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18:45<youknowwho>well, anyway, is there a way I can put a netinstall.iso in a usb key?
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18:47<moldovean>youknowwho, /msg dpkg usb install
18:48<Lethalman>A day I've disabled the webcam temporarily on my eeepc
18:48<Lethalman>now I don't remember how and can't re-enable it :S
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18:55<Lethalman>oh got it back :P
18:55<youknowwho>thanks again moldovean
18:56<moldovean>yw
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19:39<EmleyMoor>I've got a web page up in iceweasel which has a "click here to print" link - javascript - which changes the paper size to US Letter. Any way I can force A4?
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19:46<retrospectacus>can't you change it in the print dialog?
19:47<EmleyMoor>retrospectacus: There is no dialog, or if there is, no option for that
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19:51<retrospectacus>you click a button on a webpage and bam, it comes out the printer ???
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19:52<EmleyMoor>Well, not so much bam as creak - but yes
19:53<dmt>is the 'lenny-backports' line in sources.list an alias? if i edit the line to 'lbp' can i 'apt -t lbp install <package>' ??
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20:03<dmt>turns out that i can. this isnt going to break anything is it? i dont see how but i just want to be sure.
20:03<retrospectacus>EmleyMoor: amazing... what website? And the solution is to go to File-Print instead, to get the dialog where you can choose paper etc.
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20:08<dmt>guess it does break ... nvm ;_;
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20:09<retrospectacus>dmt: yes it becomes part of the request path I believe
20:09<dmt>retrospectacus, yeah, i just noticed that when i did apt update
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23:07<marioxcc>hi
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23:07<marioxcc>what version of the artistic License is free according to the DFSG?
23:09<ansgar>marioxcc: If you want to argue about simutrans again, the old Artistic license is still DFSG-free.
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23:11<marioxcc>ansgar: I come here not to speak about simutrans, just a question about the DFSG
23:11<marioxcc>my dobut is because the sentence "You may not charge a fee for this Package itself."
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23:12<ansgar>marioxcc: So? The DFSG only requires that selling or giving away the software as a component of an aggregate software distribution is allowed.
23:14<marioxcc>ok
23:14<marioxcc>thanks ansgar
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