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---Logopened Fri Jul 30 00:00:23 2010
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00:30<GhostlyDeath>Hello, I'm currently running Linux and all my files are gone
00:31<GhostlyDeath>That is, / is empty
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00:31<GhostlyDeath>No file exists anywhere on the filesystem anymore
00:32<GhostlyDeath>Not even any mount points
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00:34<GhostlyDeath>Ext3 errors finding files
00:34<GhostlyDeath>ext3_find_entry
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00:35<GhostlyDeath>Normal shutdown doesn't work since it cannot find shutdown heh
00:36<GhostlyDeath>Forcing a shut down
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00:41<GhostlyDeath>Seems my SSD is dying a miserable death after 1.5 years of use
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01:08<marioxcc>GhostlyDeath: The operating system is GNU with the linux kernel, hence we call it GNU/Linux
01:09<marioxcc>try to mount manually your /
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01:09<marioxcc>go to sleep, luck
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02:12<iman>who can work with syaptic?
02:14<iman>when i open synaptic program and i want to work it, it say me i have to reload it, when i reload it all pf packages start to upgrade how can i cansle this process ?
02:15<cahoot>iman: not mixing debian versions are you?
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02:15<iman>5
02:16<iman>cahoot: i have version 5 of debian and install it yesterday
02:16<astronut>iman: it's probably downloading security updates
02:17<iman>cahoot: i used fedora but change my distro to debian but i think i do bad work
02:17<astronut>iman: what did you use to install it?
02:17<iman>astronut: to install what ?
02:18<iman>when i want to used : antitude install firefox, it want to remove 59 packages
02:19<astronut>there is no firefox in debian, it's called iceweasel
02:19<astronut>hmm
02:19<astronut>it hsouldn't try to remove anything
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02:21<iman>when i used apt-get update. it start to update all of packages of program that i install it
02:22<astronut>that's updating the list of availible packages
02:22<astronut>then what'd you do?
02:22<iman>i want to updating list of packages, not update programm
02:22<iman>like mysql , php, and ...
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02:23<iman>where is apt-get file config ?
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02:24<astronut>iman: apt-get update updates the list
02:24<astronut>apt-get upgrade upgrades packages
02:24<astronut>but you should do that
02:25<astronut>since it will pull in security updates if you just installed your system
02:25<victor>My LCD screen keeps black out after a period of idleness, in spite of "xset dpms 0 0 0"
02:25<victor>Could any one help me analyze the problem?
02:25<astronut>victor: did you try xset dpms force on
02:25<astronut>i find it works to some extent
02:25<victor>astronut:
02:25<victor>no.
02:25<astronut>xscreensaver will also sometimes trigger it
02:25<victor>I have purged xscreensaver.
02:26<victor>I just switched from kde to gnome.
02:26<iman>astronut: from where can i change location of repo ?
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02:26<astronut>iman: /etc/apt/sources.list
02:26<victor>in kde, there is no such issue.
02:26<astronut>kde doesn't do package managments
02:27<victor>i am wondering whether gnome has automatically add some package that manages power saving that overides dpms.
02:27<iman>astronut: please visit this : http://paste.debian.net/81781/
02:27<iman>astronut: it's ok ?
02:28<astronut>ahh
02:28<astronut>you're running testing
02:28<astronut>not stable
02:28<astronut>!testing
02:28<dpkg>Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <squeeze>. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting and ask me about <testing faq> <lenny->squeeze> <testing security> <moving target> <dda> <apt-listchanges> and <bts>. You should have a sound knowledge of Debian packaging to use testing and should be prepared for a bumpy ride at times. Don't use it on things that are critical or on servers.
02:28<astronut>it's constantly updated, so new versions of packages are availible
02:28<astronut>at the momment, it's rather stable
02:29<astronut>and the only things really moving into it are bugfixes
02:29<astronut>but still, it will change on a daily basis
02:30<iman>astronut: how can i to do ?
02:31<astronut>do what?
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02:33<iman>i think i have to install fedora again, thank you , be
02:33<iman>bye
02:34<astronut>iman: i don't see what's wrong?
02:34<astronut>i run testing myself
02:34<astronut>it's not a bad thing
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02:36<astronut>it will upgrade some of your software to versions with less bugs
02:37<iman>astronut: i dont want it , becuase from last night, it is updating.
02:37<iman>astronut: 13 h
02:38<victor>iman, you might got the wrong sources.list
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02:39<astronut>he used the lenny installer
02:39<iman>my internet speed in iran is 50 kb/s
02:39<astronut>iman: you installed a version of debian that's constantly changing
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02:40<astronut>if you want something that doesn't change daily, you need to install what's called 'stable' (currently code-named lenny)
02:40<astronut>the version you installed is designed for developers and people who want the latest-and-greatest - it has very new software, and has features before stable does, but it changes every day to add these
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02:43<astronut>there's a version of debian that better fits your need, but going backwards from what you have to it is rather tricky
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03:04<ghostpadxa>hi
03:04<farah>hai jg
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03:05<buckston>Hi all
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03:06<farah>oooo
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03:07<buckston>aaaaaaaaaaa
03:07<ghostpadxa>shit
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03:07<ghostpadxa>farah: how
03:08<farah>hai
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03:13<Martian67_>hi, how can i set up multifactor authentication with dm-crypt/luks ?
03:14<Martian67_>whois Martian67_
03:14<Martian67_>as in, require both a keyfile AND a password, not just one or the other?
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03:30<buckston>hi
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03:33<benson>sorry man, i tried what you suggested but it resets my resolution back to 1280x1024, i only want 1024x768
03:34<benson>its annoying, everytime i restart my computer, its keeps changing back to a higher resolution..
03:34<benson>even after i've set it to only 1024x768
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03:38<W01fsbane>Anyone here connecting with Backtrack 4?
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03:39<Nazcafan>hello
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03:40<Nazcafan>I have a package X that is marked as automatically installed, and I would like to know why it is not a candidate for uninstall (reverse dependencies)
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03:42<buckston>hi fimston
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03:45<Arti>Hi to all
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03:48<Baerlauch>Nazcafan: Might another package stiill depend on it?
03:49<Nazcafan>Baerlauch, how may I check that?
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03:49<jm_>aptitude, dpkg-awk, grep-dctrl ...
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03:51<Arti>I have problem downloading part 2 and part 3 of debian dvd`s,when i make md5sum of them i got diferent md5sum than in main paiges,both time i downloaaded the 2 and 3 parts are the same md5sum but not exactly us in debians web page,can some one help me is it ok this,i will send the link to se my md5sums and from debian page to. http://paste.ubuntu.com/470990/
03:51<Baerlauch>quick and dirty: try to deinstall it via synaptic/APTITUDE and look atTHE COMPLAINLS
03:52<Baerlauch>(damn old keyboard layout with caps lock)
03:54<cinch>xmodmap to the rescue^
03:56<Baerlauch>wont bother on a windows, which I am about to deinstall, which leads me to my questions
03:56<Baerlauch>Hello. I have two harddisks. On disk A there is the master boot record, and a Windows, which shall perish. On disk B there is a Debian, which is booted by Grub on disk A's MBR. I want to migrate the Debian from Disk B to disk A. I have two questions:
03:56<Baerlauch>1. Does gparted keep the MBR untouched? Or is there another terminal partition programm, that does?
03:56<Baerlauch>2. In case of a positive answer to 1. I would do the following: repartition and reformat disk A; copy Disk B's data to disk A; add entries to Disk B's /boot/grub/grub.conf to boot from disk A; change Disk A's /etc/fstab; check, if everything worked; find out how to install grub to use disk A alone. Is there anything, I missed?
03:57<cahoot>switch disks?
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03:58<cahoot>and use uuids
03:58<jm_>why go through all those complications? copy it over, install boot loder on its MBR and you're done
03:58<jm_>loader*
03:58<Arti>I have problem downloading part 2 and part 3 of debian dvd`s,when i make md5sum of them i got diferent md5sum than in main paiges,both time i downloaaded the 2 and 3 parts are the same md5sum but not exactly us in debians web page,can some one help me is it ok this,i will send the link to se my md5sums and from debian page to. http://paste.ubuntu.com/470990/
03:58<Baerlauch>Arti: Disk 1 will almost certainly be ok and most likely all you need (unless you are installing on a machine with slow or no internet)
03:59<Arti>ok thnx a lot Bearlauch i will install it now
03:59<Arti>bye to all
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04:02<Baerlauch>cahoot: Just to be sure: you are talking about physically switching disk ports?
04:03<cahoot>Baerlauch: seemed like the faster method to me, some editing of grub.cfg and fstab needed though
04:04<Baerlauch>jm_: but wouldn't Disk A's system try to mount Disk B's root directory
04:07<jm_>Baerlauch: it depends on how mounting is done, if it's done via UUID/label then you're fine, otherwise this needs fixing yes (I should be more explicite earlier - mainly, you shouldn't need to alter stuff on disk B once you copy thigns over)
04:08<Baerlauch>cahoot: Doesn't sound any easier to me. Problem/question 1 remains anyway
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04:12<Baerlauch>jm_: Disk B is 15 years old, so I wouldn't count on UUID
04:14<Baerlauch>Howeever, If I did not miss anything, I am primarily concerned with question 1: Does gparted keep the MBR untouched? Or is there another terminal partition programm, that does?
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04:17<jm_>Baerlauch: yes it should
04:17<Nazcafan>Baerlauch, it doesn't complain when I try to uninstall it
04:19<Nazcafan>jm_, Baerlauch http://codepad.org/VeqPHYhi
04:20<jm_>Nazcafan: aptitude also has why/why-not commands which help for such tasks
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04:22<Baerlauch>jm_: lhanks
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04:23<Baerlauch>Nascafan: I cannot help any further here, except telling you, that dolphin is Gnome's file manager
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04:24<Martian67_>hi, how can i set up multifactor authentication with dm-crypt/luks ?
04:24<Martian67_>as in, require both a keyfile AND a password, not just one or the other?
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04:30<Nazcafan>jm_, thanks
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04:31<jm_>Nazcafan: np
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04:34<Shezif>Hi !
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04:34<Shezif>I've a problem with Debian instellation from USB key
04:34<Shezif>Just looking for help here :P
04:35<Shezif>Is there any body who can help me ?
04:35<Shezif>some one here ?
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04:39<EmleyMoor>Shezif: What's the problem?
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04:40<Shezif>I'm stucking in the "גקאקבא שמג צםומא בג-רםצ"
04:40<Shezif>*"detect and mount cd-rom"
04:41<EmleyMoor>Shezif: I'm not sure you need to do that
04:41<Shezif>EmleyMoor, I'm working with USB and it doesn't recognize my usb as CDrom
04:41<Shezif>So what I'm supposed to do ?
04:41<EmleyMoor>Can you skip that stage?
04:41<Shezif>Yes
04:42<EmleyMoor>Does doing so get you anywhere?
04:42<Shezif>and now it's ask me if I would like to "Manually select a cd-rom moudle and device"
04:42<Shezif>and if I choice "NO" the installetion are failed
04:42<EmleyMoor>Can you skip that stage?
04:42<EmleyMoor>Ah...
04:42<EmleyMoor>Hold on...
04:43*Shezif Have a Dell 1012 without external cd-rom ... would like to install from DOK
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04:49<Shezif>EmleyMoor, Do you know how to resolve that ?
04:50<EmleyMoor>Shezif: Are you sure you built the data on the USB key correctly?
04:50<Shezif>I build it with Unetbootin
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04:50<Shezif>and as I know this program build it corrent
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04:52<Shezif>Do you know how do I can build a Debian installer Disk On Key ?
04:52<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... not mentioned in the installation guide
04:52<jm_>it is mentioned
04:53<Shezif>because since yesterday I'd tried to do it and it's doesnt work well
04:53<jm_>!usb install
04:53<dpkg>Yes, it is possible to install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch04s03 . To download USB stick images, ask me about <install debian>. https://launchpad.net/win32-image-writer/+download to prepare from Windows. BIOS can't boot from USB? Use http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager.html
04:54<Shezif>Thanks.... I'll looking it
04:54<Shezif>and i'll try again .... maybe now it's will work =]
04:54<Shezif>thank you
04:54<EmleyMoor>I wan referring to unetbootin not being mentioned
04:55<EmleyMoor>was
04:55<jm_>it should be able to find the ISO if you put it on / of the drive
04:55<jm_>fair enough
04:55<Shezif>jm_, do you think that if I'll put / in the CDROM address it's will work ?
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04:57<jm_>Shezif: no, what I wanted to say is that d-i can use an ISO image if it finds it (and putting it on / should allow it to find one)
04:57<Shezif>actually I'm working with debian in my Desktop since the last four years and now when I'm trying to install it in my netbook I've got some strange errors
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04:58<Shezif>jm_, Ammm now I'm understand
04:59<Shezif>Do I need to download the Netinstall ?
04:59<Shezif>or ... may I'm supposed to use the ragular CD ?
04:59<Shezif>regular
05:00<jm_>Shezif: just follow the d-i guide
05:00<EmleyMoor>Shezif: If you do it the flexible way you can use any CD/DVD image you have room for
05:00<Shezif>thanks
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05:05<Martian67_>hi, how can i set up multifactor authentication with dm-crypt/luks ?
05:05<Martian67_>as in, require both a keyfile AND a password, not just one or the other?
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05:10<Shezif>How do I build a Debian USK installer from windows?
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05:10<EmleyMoor>https://launchpad.net/win32-image-writer/+download
05:11<Shezif>thanks
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05:24<sheldonh>can i specify grouped dependencies in a package control file? e.g. (rubygems1.8, ruby1.8) | ruby-enterprise
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05:25<sheldonh>debian policy doesn't say i can, and that's usually a bad sign :)
05:25<themill>sheldonh: no. rubygems1.8 | ruby-enterprise, ruby1.8 | ruby-enterprise
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05:26<jm_>but doesn't that mean it now depends on both rubygems1.8 and ruby1.8?
05:26<sheldonh>themill: alas, that's what i feared. ugly, but it'll work. thanks :)
05:26<themill>sheldonh: not that ugly!
05:27<jm_>ahh OK that's what the original request asked for silly me
05:27<sheldonh>themill: beautiful, in a way. if you appreciate simplicity :)
05:27<themill>indeed
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05:37<ghostpadza>hi
05:38<ghostpadza>hi all
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05:38<sheldonh>themill: meh, ruby-script-but-no-ruby-dep is "broken" for Depends: ruby | ruby-enterprise :)
05:39<themill>sheldonh: reportbug time! (I presume you're using the latest lintian? (2.4.3)
05:39<ghostpadza>just get hacked by someone
05:40<ghostpadza>damn
05:40<themill>sheldonh: although since ruby-enterprise isn't in debian, there's no way lintian can know that it actually provides /usr/bin/ruby stuff
05:40<sheldonh>themill: yeah, i don't think this should be fixed in debian proper until debian provides ruby-enterprise :)
05:40<sheldonh>themill: packagename.overrides time :)
05:41*themill hates to think what ruby-enterprise is
05:42<sheldonh>themill: it's not as bad as it sounds -- just mri with the mbari patch to improve the garbage collector for use in long-lived processes
05:43<sheldonh>themill: it would get less grief if they'd called it phusion-ruby, methinks
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05:49<DasUberJohan>ok i have no idea how this is happening but the built in numpad on my laptop(yeah the designers of this thing are rather stupid since who actually uses a numpad on a laptop or one for that matter in their day to day life) is now moving the mouse around teh screen really slowly if i just tap it. If i hold it down it physically moves it, well i guess physically isn't the best way to describe it.
05:50-!-mode/#debian [+l 391] by debhelper
05:50<DasUberJohan>but it actually moves the mouse cursor instead of actually doing what the buttons are supposed to. As if it's constnatly stuck on the fn(i believe) key. Even the non arrow oriented keys move it. Anyone have any idea where to look for how to identify which part of the keyboard filter is messing up?
05:50<DasUberJohan>oh yeah also i'm on debian squeeze latest updates to most of everything..
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05:52<adema_>hello everyone
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05:53<cahoot>DasUberJohan: not configurable via System >Preferences > Keyboard? (assuming gnome)
05:53<adema_>i would like to download the lastest weekly build of testing ... but djigo webpage is unavailable
05:53<adema_>does someone know where i can get djigo ?
05:54<ram>dpkg webcam
05:54<dpkg>For webcam device support in Debian, ask me about <gspca>, <uvcvideo>, <ov51x-jpeg>, <ov511>, <quickcam>, <m560x-driver>, <w9968cf>, <pwc>. For device usage suggestions, see http://www.aboutdebian.com/webcam.htm or "mplayer tv:// -tv driver=v4l:width=352:height=288:outfmt=yv12:device=/dev/video0". http://wiki.debian.org/Webcam
05:54<ram>cheese is unable to capture video from webcam which inturn is using uvcvideo
05:55<ram>Are there any alternate video capturing applications.
05:55<ram>Skype could broadcast video without any glitches
05:55<DasUberJohan>cahoot:it's already set upon Asus Asus Laptop is there any other tiems for it?
05:56<DasUberJohan>is there a way to go back to generic laptop keyboard.
05:56<cahoot>DasUberJohan: nothing useful under System >Preferences > Keyboard>Mouse keys?
05:56<adema_>can someone visit this website : http://atterer.net/jigdo/ ?
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05:57<DasUberJohan>cahoot: Hmm that was on... how'd it turn itself on though? O_o And i feel really stupid for not seeing Mouse Keys listed upon the keyboard preferences i was pouring over the layouts thing for a while now trying to get something to change.
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05:58<DasUberJohan>also on a side note is anyone else having troubles with pidgin signing into msn
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05:59<adema_>thx webarchive!
05:59<gsimmons>dpkg: tell adema_ -about weekly builds
05:59<DasUberJohan>signing into the site reveals that nothing's changed within myself.
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06:00<gsimmons>adema_: See jigdo-{bd,cd,dvd} directories in the respective architecture.
06:01<adema_>yeah ok
06:01<adema_>i know ...
06:01<adema_>but i need dijgo to download
06:01<adema_>and the webpage is not available
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06:06<gsimmons>adema_: It's "jigdo". The jigdo-lite script can be obtained via the jigdo-file package on Debian systems. Otherwise, mention your current operating system.
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06:07<adema_>yep i forgot that
06:07<adema_>i'm using windows
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06:08<miguel>hola gilipolaas
06:08<miguel>hay algun canal para españoles
06:09<miguel>ehii
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06:13<Karthik>can anyone please tell me where the splash images are stored..?
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06:14<Karthik>in debian distros..
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06:23<christopher>hi all
06:24<christopher>anyone awake?
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06:25<christopher>bonjour
06:26<moldovean>!fr
06:26<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur irc.oftc.net. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.oftc.net.
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06:27<christopher>hola
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06:31<Bertram>!es
06:31<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat
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07:05<devil>anyone seen stuff like: /scripts/local-top/nbd: . line 14: can't open 'tmp/net-*.conf these days when booting?
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07:06<sheldonh>devil: sounds like an initramfs having trouble with its use of dhclient/dhcpcd/pump
07:07<farah>hai
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07:07<devil>sheldonh: yes, thats what i reckon. seems at least related to #584583
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07:15<sheldonh>devil: we gutted the network handling in the initramfs for our PXE installers, because it just doesn't work for us, in a way we can't figure out :)
07:16<sheldonh>devil: i think debian's initramfs tools use ipconfig?
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07:16<devil>sheldonh: yeah, i heard nice things about that already :) well, this issue here was fixed now ba purging nbd-client and rebuilding initramfs
07:17<farah>o
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07:18<sheldonh>devil: if you don't need it, nuke it :)
07:19<devil>sheldonh: its been nuked here for a long time, some other users ran into the above mentioned bug
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07:20<sheldonh>devil: i don't trust ipconfig. we use dhclient instead. fortunately, debian's initramfs tools are really flexible like that
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07:24<maria>mm
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07:25<farah>hai
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07:34<Remos>hi all
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07:34<Remos>Any body know how tu run localhost server in backtrack4 ???
07:34<jm_>!bt4
07:34<dpkg>BackTrack is not Debian and is not supported in #debian (ask me about <based on debian>). Try http://www.backtrack-linux.org/ or #backtrack-linux on irc.freenode.net instead. BackTrack is a Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu> Intrepid (as of BackTrack 4), previously <SLAX>. Derived from merging two penetration-testing distributions: WHAX (formerly WHOPPIX) and Auditor Security Linux.
07:35<Remos>So sorry
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10:15<Blizakster>hello
10:16<cinch>hello. i'm looking for a 32bit version of curl on debian sid amd64. it seems there is no package in main. adobe flash needs this to do it's jazz.
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10:18<cinch>maybe i should compile it myself and try to figure out the path that flash is expecting :/
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10:24<devil>cinch: debian has a wiki on how to make flash work for 64-bit
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10:24<GhostlyDeath>There's debian-multimedia
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10:26<devil>cinch: http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer
10:27<cinch>thanks for that, i'm checking it out
10:28<cinch>so i'd use the Lenny workaround mentioned there
10:28<devil>cinch: better testing, if you run sid
10:28<cinch>err i mean Squeeze
10:28<cinch>yea
10:28<devil>yes
10:28<devil>workedforme™
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10:47<cinch>devil: nice, that "ugly hack" pulls and installs libs from the i386 distribution :) but as long as it works :p
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10:49<devil>cinch: it is ugly, and does not fix any security holes (which was why it was pulled in the first place, i guess)
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10:52<cinch>devil: it's better than the 10.0 64bit beta... i'm doing this to avoid: http://secunia.com/advisories/40026
10:52<cinch>devil: so there are still security holes with this 10.1 version?
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10:53<devil>i hardly ever use it. for youtube chromium with html5 enabled is enough
10:53<cinch>yea
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10:55<devil>cinch: the version they pulled (for nix and win) was buggy, yes
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10:57<cinch>devil: good to know.. i'll probably use flashblock in firefox then, so only certain flash things get loaded
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10:58<jifix>i have priblem with flash 10. it is slow down my pc. i have reinstalles flash 9 in order to sole it. is there any other solution?
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10:59<alcortes>all flash implementations are very slow, i don't think there is asolution to that
11:00<alcortes>I mean 'official' flash implementations
11:00<gronek>Flash is poorly optimized
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11:01<jifix>are ther any unofficial release that work better
11:01<cinch>not really..
11:01<jifix>gnu-glash(gnush) is too incompatible...
11:01<alcortes>I use flashblock to limit flash to what i really want to play
11:01<gronek>no
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11:02<jifix>alcortes: me too
11:02<karme>flash must die
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11:02<cinch>s/must/should/
11:02<alcortes>a free flash & optimized implementation is one of the most important project right now IMHO
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11:04<cinch>i hope people ditch it completely. but that will take some time.
11:04<cinch>i'm starting to work in an embedded company, and they said, they use flash as a GUI in embedded devices. *lol*
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11:05<jordanm>alcortes: what could be even more important, is a replacement framework for flash... eg. webM for starters
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11:08<acimmarusti>In my computer flashblock causes a firefox-bin process to hang and whenever I want to shutdown or restart it warns me of this process and takes an unreasonable amount of time to kill it and proceed with the shutdown process
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11:08<acimmarusti>do any of you have this issue?
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11:08<acimmarusti>I'm now solely using adblock-plus. It's pretty good at removing unwanted flash ads
11:09<alcortes>cinch: acimmarusti: certain versions of flashblock has had that problem, but have been solved some month ago, read a little bit about that particular plugin and maybe upgrade
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11:11<alcortes>jordanm: i don't know about flash internals, it may not be slow by design but by implementation
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11:13<arti>hi there,how can i install nvidia x driver ,i have nvidia geforce 9400 gt,i am new in debian so can someone help me
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11:14<cinch>given the unsolved security problems with flash, mentioned at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adobe_Flash#Security , i'm going to setup a chroot environment for daily browsing, letting 32bit firefox run as the user "nobody".
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11:16<alcortes>arti: you need nvidia drivers 180 for that card
11:16<Txt_file>!tell arti about nvidia
11:17<arti>alcortes wehere can i find,i cant find in synaptic ore in add ore remove
11:18<alcortes>arti: the debian nvidia drivers are useless for that card, you need to download the drivers directily from nvidia
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11:19<arti>alcotres when i try to install run file from nvidia i got this report
11:19<cinch>hmm or i think i'll run 64bit firefox and use the "hack" (http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer#DebianTesting.27Squeeze.27amd64) to get 32bit flash running.
11:19<alcortes>arti: google for "nvidia geforce 9400 gt debian", the first hit will explain everything
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11:21<chealer>arti: which Debian suite do you use?
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11:22<arti>chealer 5.05
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11:22<alcortes>arti: what does /etc/debian_version contains?
11:23<arti>5.0.5 alcories
11:23<chealer>arti: the nvidia driver version in Debian 5 do not support your card. nvidia-installer is not supported here.
11:23<chealer>arti: the nvidia driver versions in Debian 5 do not support your card. nvidia-installer is not supported here.
11:24<Txt_file>but he could grab the packages from squeeze
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11:24<acimmarusti>alcortes: Running testing here. I have the latest flashblock. But I still have iceweasel 3.5.X. If this is a problem with this version, it should be fixed because this will become Squeeze a stable release. Are you saying that iceweasel 3.6.X will not have this problem?
11:25<arti>chealer are u trying to say that i must to give up?
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11:26<jordanm>arti: are you on i386 or amd64?
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11:26<arti>i386 jordana
11:26<alcortes>arti: you must stop using debian 5.0.5 drivers, use nvidia ones or debian testing ones
11:26<chealer>arti: not really, but you don't have easy solutions. you could use testing's current version
11:26<arti>alcotres wich one is testing debian
11:26<Txt_file>arti: no. there are some other ways to get the nvidia-driver. either you grab the squeeze versions or you use the nvidia-installer provided by nvidia (this process is not supported in this channel)
11:27<alcortes>arti: squeeze
11:27<jordanm>alcortes: he can't do that
11:27<jordanm>arti: http://snapshot.debian.org/package/nvidia-graphics-drivers/190.53-4/ you can build these drivers on lenny and use these
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11:27<jordanm>alcortes: the current nvidia testing driver would require a not-desirable xorg upgrade
11:28<Txt_file>then there should be a backport or something that you can use newer cards with stable
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11:28<alcortes>jordanm: you are right, but i don't consider using testing as a not-desirable thing :)
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11:32<arti>alcortes the squeeze is for debians testing relase-its the OS not the driver
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11:33<alcortes>arti: the drivers imprivements uses the OS, so you can not separate this two things easily
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11:34<alcortes>arti: many OS improvements are made so new drivers works, that means you can not use new drivers on old OS
11:35<alcortes>arti: by the way drivers are part of the OS in a modular kernel like linux
11:35<alcortes>arti: and have nothing to do with the distro version :)
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11:37<arti>alcortes ok thnx,but i am comfused,i was using ubuntu and i didnt have problem with my drivers,how is posible to have here problem????
11:38<arti>alcotres my screen resulution is to small,even its hard to read what am i writing
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11:40<alcortes>arti: Ubuntu is based on Debian but they add a lot of new drivers and upgrade all the OS internals to prevent these problems
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11:41<alcortes>arti: basically Ubuntu is like Debian testing, Debian stable is just that a snapshot of debian as it were when they release that stable version
11:41<alcortes>arti: Debian stable does not evolve or support new hardware, that is why it is called stable
11:42<jordanm>alcortes: ubuntu is uses snapshots of unstable, not testing. and the stable release is more than a "snapshot" at some arbituary point in time
11:42<chealer>alcortes: not really, arti probably simply uses a newer Ubuntu version
11:42<arti>alcortes yes i know that Ubuntu is based on Debian,thats why i wanted to use Debian and thnx for help i must to restart my pc now,see u after restaring,i hope that squues make me happy
11:42<jordanm>!tell arti about moving target
11:42<alcortes>arti: whish u luck
11:42<arti>Chealer no i am using 9.10
11:43<arti>alcotres thnx man brb for 5 min
11:43<jordanm>arti: which is about a year newer than debian stable
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11:43<chealer>alcortes: that's not entirely true. Debian stable does evolve, just very little.
11:43<arti>jordana brb
11:43<chealer>arti: exactly
11:43<alcortes>jordanm: u r right, I was just simplifiying the explanation :)
11:43<chealer>arti: Debian 5 was released 2009-02-15
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11:44<jordanm>chealer: but it was frozen in aug 08
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11:44<alcortes>chealer: u r right, I was just simplifiying the explanation :)
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11:45<chealer>jordanm: indeed. Ubuntu also doesn't release with the latest versions.
11:45<chealer>what is really relevant is the version of the current nvidia drivers in each
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11:47<jordanm>chealer: and also the xorg versions, since the new nvidia-glx requires a newer one than present in lenny
11:47<jordanm>my main desktop has been running on drivers from snapshots for a while (which FTBFS on amd64 from what I understand)
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11:48<chealer>jordanm: to install another version, yes. i was talking about why arti's Ubuntu install would support a card not supported by Debian stable.
11:48<jordanm>ah, yes
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11:53<alcortes>acimmarusti: i am also using testing: iceweasel + flashblock works well (i have a amd64)
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11:55<alcortes>acimmarusti: iceweasel version 3.5.10-1, xul-ext-flashblock version 1.5.13-1
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11:56<alcortes>acimmarusti: what flash packages do u use?
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11:57<cyc>Someone knows if there exists some way of liberating mobile telephones with linux
11:58<cyc>??
11:58<alcortes>acimmarusti: i am using flashplayer-mozilla, give it a try
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11:59<alcortes>acimmarusti: just try it for a few minutes and see if it solves the problem, then u can go back to gnash and wait for next iceweasel release if u want
11:59<cyc>Someone knows if there exists some way of liberating mobile telephones with linux
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12:01<cyc>hola
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12:01<alcortes>acimmarusti: even if u don't end up using it, is a backup solution in case tomorrow u need flash working for some important reason
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12:02<retrospectacus>cyc: check google for your particular phone + linux
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12:02<cyc>tanks
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12:06<isti37>Hi, I've got a problem with the Ctrl+Alt+Fx consoles, when I try to switch to any of them I get a black screen, I am running Debian Squeeze with the latest updates.
12:06<isti37>It didn't happen until now.
12:06<isti37>Before I did a update they worked.
12:07<alcortes>isti37: i did happend to me some months ago, it gets automagically solved after waiting for some updates, it has to do with a bug that has to do with my video drivers and xorg
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12:08<alcortes>isti37: check debian bugs, that's where i learned about it and help me understand and solve the problem
12:08<acimmarusti>isti37: what video driver do you use?
12:09<isti37>Nvidia driver version : 195.36.24
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12:10<alcortes>isti37: intel, but that is of no use to you, just lock for *your* driver package in debian bug tracking webpage
12:10<isti37>ok
12:11<isti37>actually I've had the same problem with Ubuntu, I tried all sort of fixes and switched to debian and it worked, but now it's not working again
12:12<alcortes>isti37: :), it sound like debian has update it's package and fall in the same bug that Ubuntu hit.
12:12<alcortes>isti37: maybe Ubuntu bugtracking system is a better place to look as it has suffer the bug for a longer time now
12:13<acimmarusti>nvidia released a new version of the 195.xx.xx driver, Go to their website and read the changelogs and see if it's fixed in that version. If so, submit a bug report and say that it's been fixed upstream
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12:14<isti37>but how the hell I can install another Nvidia driver if I didn't got a console without X ?
12:14<isti37>I can't install the drivers in X
12:15<acimmarusti>there are ways!...boot in single-user mode
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12:16<alcortes>isti37: having a working X has nothing to do with downloading packages or installing things
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12:17<isti37>You can't install a video card driver with X running, I hope the recovery mode gives me a clean root console
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12:18<elmariposaatlas___polilla>wswwsssswww
12:18<elmariposaatlas___polilla>wsw
12:18<elmariposaatlas___polilla>s
12:18<elmariposaatlas___polilla>wsw
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12:18<alcortes>isti37: just shut down X or don't launch it when booting
12:19<isti37>here's the problem, If I shut it down my system hangs
12:19<acimmarusti>to shut it down you can do /etc/init.d/gdm3 stop if using gnome and gdm3
12:20<chealer>isti37: wrong, you can
12:20<alcortes>isti37: sorry but i don't understand your problem, u mention Ctrl+alt+Fx not working, but u seem to be talking of another problem now
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12:23<isti37>http://www.nvidia.co.uk/object/linux-display-ia32-256.35-driver-uk.html , what dependencies I need for it btw ?
12:24<cthuluh>!nvidia
12:24<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers . If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Testing users: ask me about <nvidia squeeze>. Installing directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net).
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12:27<isti37>!nvidia squeeze
12:27<dpkg>The nvidia drivers currently in squeeze are compatible with the squeeze kernel. No need for a testing/unstable mix now. Use either module-assistant or DKMS to compile them; ask me about <nvidia m-a> <nvidia dkms>. They are incompatible with <nouveau> <KMS> (nouveau kernel module blacklisted as of nvidia-kernel-common 20100522).
12:27<babilen>!tell isti -about selftell
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12:30<chealer>isti37: nvidia-installer is not supported here
12:31<isti37>The latest driver in the repository is like a year old.
12:32<chealer>isti37: it isn't
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12:35*Salvia :)
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12:42<Blizakster>Not really a linux question here but could someone help me set up some kind of upload form ? so people can upload something with a specific format and size to a directory on my server ? on debian linux
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12:44<petemc>Blizakster: i dont think theres something pre made that would do that, you would need to look at using php or some such, im sure theres plenty of example code around
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12:45<Blizakster>I have found a php example
12:45<Blizakster>I just can't get it working :/
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12:45<Blizakster>I tried this one http://www.tizag.com/phpT/fileupload.php
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12:46<Blizakster>and failed
12:46<jordanm>Blizakster: try #php on irc.freenode.net
12:46<Blizakster>okay
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13:03<sKeith>anyone remind me what the graphical lvm tool is called
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13:05<petemc>sKeith: apt-cache search lvm ; shows system-config-lvm
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13:06<sKeith>thanks petemc
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13:07<sKeith>and thanks also for showing me how to find it.
13:07<petemc>np
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13:10<sassel> Hello, which version of Debian is suitable for Intel Celeron 930MHz, 120MB RAM, 9.35GB HD
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13:13<petemc>sassel: i386
13:14<sKeith>how to discover whats stoping umount from working with device busy error
13:15<petemc>lsof
13:15<sKeith>can i paste, as i dont understand.
13:16<sKeith>bash 6266 user cwd DIR 254,4 4096 2 /mnt/backup
13:16<petemc>you have a shell open somewhere
13:16<sKeith>. /usr/sbin 6326 root cwd DIR 254,4 4096 24084481 /mnt/backup/backup
13:17<sKeith>and 2nd one
13:17<sKeith>i put . so it would paste
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13:18<petemc>pstree -up
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13:20<sKeith>hmm, its system-config-lvm .. i'll restart the program, thanks for the help again
13:20<petemc>np
13:20<sKeith>it umounted for me now :)
13:21<petemc>cool
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13:56<isti37>hey, anyone knows how I can check if I have what it says in this post : http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=3604733&postcount=24 and how I can remove it in grub 2 ?
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13:58<elmariposaatlas___polilla>ngfG
13:58<jordanm>isti37: what version of debian are you running?
13:58<isti37>Debian Squeeze
13:58<elmariposaatlas___polilla>c
13:58<elmariposaatlas___polilla>d
13:58<elmariposaatlas___polilla><c
13:58<elmariposaatlas___polilla>ds
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13:59<elmariposaatlas___polilla>cvsdvf
13:59<jordanm>isti37: uncomment GRUB_TERMINAL=console in /etc/default/grub and then run: "update-grub"
13:59<elmariposaatlas___polilla>sv
13:59<zobel>elmariposaatlas___polilla: behave!
13:59<elmariposaatlas___polilla>sfv
13:59<elmariposaatlas___polilla>v
13:59<elmariposaatlas___polilla>cv
13:59<elmariposaatlas___polilla>cxv
13:59<jordanm>elmariposaatlas___polilla: stop spamming
13:59<elmariposaatlas___polilla>xz
13:59<elmariposaatlas___polilla>gb
13:59<elmariposaatlas___polilla>f
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14:00<@zobel>haha
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14:00<isti37>k, thanks
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15:05<guilherme>i saw at aptitude that i have many packages like xserver-xorg-radeon and other video cards, but i have a nvidia, can i remove this packages?? is it safe??
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15:06<dondelelcaro>guilherme: sure, you can remove them.
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15:07<guilherme>is it safe?
15:07<cthuluh>it is
15:07<jordanm>guilherme: you may want to umarkauto on xserver-xorg-video-nv first
15:07<cthuluh>I would keep the vesa and vga ones
15:07<cthuluh>and that one too
15:08<jordanm>!unmarkauto
15:08<dpkg>Is aptitude or apt-get trying to remove packages that it thinks were automatically installed? This happens when you "aptitude install gnome" and then later remove bits of it, the gnome meta-package will be uninstalled and aptitude will try to remove lots more. Fix this by running "aptitude install packagename" or "aptitude unmarkauto packagename" on strategically chosen packages, or reinstall the <metapackage>.
15:08<jordanm>cthuluh: any that you don't unmarkauto on will likey get removed when you do aptitude remove xserver-xorg-video-all
15:08<guilherme>is it possible to save a list of my installed packages?, if i make a mistake i reinstall then
15:08<jordanm>!tell guilherme about aptitude clone
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15:08<cthuluh>jordanm: true
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15:10<chealer>guilherme: yes
15:10<chealer>!tell guilherme about debian clone
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15:14<guilherme>thanks for all i will try
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15:37<guilherme>i did it, and works!
15:37<guilherme>thanks
15:38<guilherme>is there a trick or something that i could do to remove packages that my hardware doesnt use?
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15:42<moldovean>known issue squeeze epiphany-browser can't 'do' file:/// ?
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15:52<Metalmania>Hi!
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15:54<guilherme>what does the exim do?
15:56<moldovean>guilherme, /msg dpkg exim
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15:59<guilherme>is exim important for debian? i cant understand exactly what exim do
16:00<dondelelcaro>guilherme: it's an MTA, and you usually need one
16:01<Metalmania>My X serv wont start o.O
16:02<guilherme>ok, thanks
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16:05<Metalmania>Is there anyone inhere that might got a chance to help me with my X-serv problem?
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16:08<jordanm>Metalmania: paste the log
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16:08<Metalmania>Uhm
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16:08<Metalmania>It's on another machine
16:09<jordanm>!wgetpaste
16:09<dpkg>wgetpaste is a CLI application for sending text to a pastebin, its only dependencies are bash and wget. To install and use: wget http://wgetpaste.zlin.dk/wgetpaste-2.17.tar.bz2 && tar xvjf wgetpaste-2.17.tar.bz2 && cd wgetpaste-2.17 You can then use it as ./wgetpaste; e.g. dmesg | ./wgetpaste It is also safe to copy to /usr/local/bin for easier use.
16:11<Metalmania>Just a sec
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16:18<Metalmania>Well
16:18<Metalmania>I can't paste it =(
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16:20<Metalmania>But instead of showing me the GUI I get the text-based screen
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16:36<tazz>hey
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16:37<matu>Hi !
16:37<tazz>any of you guys have any idea about the Wifly-City G2000 that daniel was talking about?
16:37<matu>it seems i acnt launch php5 through apache :/
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16:37<matu>i installed phpinfo.php but it asks me to download the php file i just created
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16:38<matu>>_<
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16:38<matu>i installed apt-get install apache2 php5 libapache2-mod-php5 but it asks me to download the php file i just created
16:39<tazz>matu, what i usually do is, apt-get install phpmyadmin, and the entire lamp setup is pulled by itself.
16:39<matu>cool
16:39<matu>thank you
16:40<tazz>matu one more thing, if you follow my steps then you will have to apt-get install mysql-server separately
16:40<matu>ah it just asked me to launch the automatic configuration of apache2
16:40<jordanm>!php wants me to download still
16:40<dpkg>The usual problem is your browser caching the content, so make sure you cleared your browser cache and restarted your browser and also verify that it's still a problem outside of your browser using wget, GET, curl, telnet, netcat etc. Do make sure you have carefully read <install php> and /usr/share/doc/php*-common/README.Debian.gz as well as many common problems are addressed. See also http://wiki.apache.org/httpd/PHPDownload
16:41<jordanm>matu: I would not recommend phpmyadmin on an exposed server
16:41<matu>no i have an external firewall, i just want to code for fun
16:41<matu>thank you
16:42<jordanm>matu: well, you will be either allowing web traffic or not
16:42<matu>oh tazz sorry, i misunderstood you
16:42<jordanm>phpmyadmin is hosted over apache, you could change the port, but the default config is not that way
16:42<matu>i dont
16:42<matu>want to allow web traffic
16:43<jordanm>matu: well, my server gets probbed daily for phpmyadmin installations... you might find it better not to depend on phpmyadmin for when you do want an externally facing server
16:43<matu>i just want to create a simple web page so i can expose what i usually do everyday
16:44<matu>oh
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16:44<matu>ok i wont use it on an external server
16:44<jordanm>its a common thing botnets look for to exploit
16:44<matu>s/on/with
16:44<dba>tazz: hm?
16:44<matu>yes
16:45<tazz>dba, pm ?
16:45<jordanm>tazz: also, if you want it pulled in more easily, try using "web server" from tasksel
16:45<matu>hum what are the default log in and pass for phpmyadmin jordanm ?
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16:47<tazz>matu the username and password you have set for mysql server.
16:47<tazz>jordanm, thanks i will keep that in mind.
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16:47<matu>i did not set a thing
16:47<matu>i mean i did set nothing >_<
16:48<matu>just performed an apt-get install apache2 php5 libapache2-mod-php5 phpmyadmin
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16:48<matu>it asked me nothing
16:49<tazz>matu, in that case you didnt install mysql-server. You need to tell phpmyadmin, what is your mysql-server username and password.
16:49<matu>i am using debian stable
16:49<matu>ok
16:49<matu>you are right i did not do this
16:49<matu>'^^
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16:50<reisio>hey there's a phpPgAdmin, that's nice
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16:53<dba>tazz: go for it
16:54<matu>working !
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16:54<matu>thank you guys i now have the access to the phpmyadmin page
16:54<matu>-the
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16:55<matu>php also works
16:55<matu>hehe it was easy, thank you debian :)
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17:10<moldovean>known issue squeeze epiphany-browser can't 'do' file:/// ? it's that linking to ipv6/nopiv6 , even more iceweasel connected thru 'ssh -X' is very slow ,
17:12<moldovean>any ideas ?
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18:03<weechat_user>whats the difference between running Xorg directly and running startx?
18:03-!-weechat_user is now known as nickaugust
18:04<reisio>nickaugust: nice, the old ask and renick
18:04<reisio>nickaugust: file /usr/bin/startx /usr/bin/Xorg
18:05<nickaugust>haha no i didnt realize this was oftc and weechat doesnt auto set my nick i guess
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18:06<nickaugust>i mean... im trying to run xorg with the -keeptty -sharevts and/or -novtswitch and it starts when I run Xorg but when i use those switches on startx it gives me an xterm error
18:06<nickaugust>reisio: ^
18:06<reisio>the move to OFTC is pretty pointless without closing #debian on freenode...
18:06<reisio>nickaugust: did you run the command I gave you?
18:06<nickaugust>i meant to ask the question in freenode
18:06<nickaugust>yeah ill run it now
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18:08<deniz>i can't get fglrx to work through xorg.conf, but the ati driver works, hd4850
18:08<deniz>squeeze
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18:08<nickaugust>reisio: ok so its a shell script that calls xorg.. so should i be able to pass Xorg switches to it?
18:09<nickaugust>reisio: how do I run startx with the -novtswitch option
18:09<reisio>nickaugust: only the switches it has build in support for, unless it passes them all to Xorg
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18:09<reisio>nickaugust: that sounds like something you should put into a Xorg.conf
18:10<reisio>http://www.google.com/search?q=%22xorg.conf%22%20novtswitch
18:10<ribbit>I just did a netinstall of deb, and it couldn't find the mirrors, so now I only have a minimal install without any X at all. What's the command to install the desktop :GUI?
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18:10<nickaugust>reisio: ah, thats a good idea. i wonder if it can go in Xorg.conf. Thanks
18:12<deniz>this is the first time fglrx does not work, is it because of "gdm3"?
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18:13<reisio>ribbit: aptitude install gnome
18:13<reisio>ribbit: you might want to, y'know, swap mirrors in /etc/apt/sources.list first, though
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18:14<ribbit>yea, looks like it doesn't have a mirror list...
18:14<raph_ael>hi, is there an understandable doc for grub2, for example adding an entry for another os ? thanks
18:15<deniz>how do i know which harddrive is the first one detected by my computer?
18:15<raph_ael>deniz: check your bios
18:16<deniz>raph_ael, if you mean boot order then that can be changed
18:16<raph_ael>deniz: about grub2 ?
18:16<raph_ael>or about your problem ?
18:16<reisio>raph_ael: all over the internet
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18:17<deniz>well i was upgrading to grub 2 and i do remember that i need to install grub to my windows hdd because it's "first" but what did that mean?
18:17<reisio>deniz: it'll be sda unless your BIOS is config'd oddly
18:17<reisio>deniz: it means it looks for the boot loader on the first hard disk
18:17<deniz>reisio, o ya, it is sda
18:17<reisio>(by default, ordinarily)
18:18<reisio>has nothing to do with Windows, except that your Windows install _happens_ to be on the _first disk_
18:18<deniz>but why is my windows drive the first drive?
18:18<deniz>ok but how can i change that?
18:18<reisio>deniz: because you installed it on the first drive
18:18<reisio>deniz: why would you want to change it?
18:18<deniz>well i'm just asking to learn
18:18<reisio>ah
18:18<deniz>it's not like im gonna take the drive out
18:18<raph_ael>reisio: i didn't get any pages that could give me a clear doc
18:19<deniz>reisio, so how can i make my windows drive 2nd?
18:19<reisio>well if you had a good reason to change it (you don't :p), you could change the order in the BIOS (assuming your BIOS has this option), and remember to re-install GRUB to the "second" disk (which you'd have just made the "first" disk)
18:19<reisio>deniz: or you can physically swap them
18:19<reisio>raph_ael: what is it you're trying to accomplish?
18:20<raph_ael>reisio: understand how it works and add entries for other os
18:20<deniz>one is pata the other is sata so i don't know how to physically swap them, but ya so this is all about which drives is booted first in BIOS?
18:20<reisio>raph_ael: which other OS?
18:20<raph_ael>it seems overcomplicated
18:20<raph_ael>reisio: netbsd
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18:21<reisio>raph_ael: GRUB2 syntax _is_ a little harder to parse, but it's simple really
18:21<reisio>raph_ael: start here: http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/
18:21<raph_ael>reisio: thanks
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18:22<raph_ael>reisio: i'm not a developper, editing menu.lst was clear, simple and it worked well, looking at scripts in /etc/grub.d is horrid
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18:23<deniz>does anyone here have trouble getting fglrx working recently in squeeze?
18:23<reisio>raph_ael: you can still edit /boot/grub/grub.cfg, can't you?
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18:23<reisio>I don't know if it's the "right way" in Debian or not, though
18:23<reisio>and yeah the syntax is worse
18:24<raph_ael>reisio: i thought grub.cfg should not be edited
18:24<ribbit>looks like I need the proper format for a line in sources.list. If I want to use: http://debian.lcs.mit.edu/debian/dists/lenny/ what should that line look like in the sources file?
18:24<reisio>also GRUB legacy used hd0,0 to mean first device, first partition (start from 0 for both), and GRUB 2, IIRC, uses hd0,1 for first device, first partition (start from 0 for one, and from 1 for another) <headdesk>
18:25<reisio>raph_ael: I _think_ that's because when the grub package is updated it automagically regenerates the file and possibly wipes customizations
18:25<reisio>raph_ael: you can always just back it up elsewhere
18:25*reisio doesn't keep up with GRUB2 on Debian
18:27<raph_ael>reisio: thanks again, i've just installed an unstable, though it was impossible to install grub-legacy a "stage1 not read correctly" i had before
18:27<raph_ael>never found anywhere a solution for that
18:29<reisio>not a lot of point in learning the old way anyways
18:29<reisio>I doubt the GRUB guys will come to their senses vis-a-vis conf file syntax
18:31<raph_ael>i doubt too
18:32<raph_ael>i have a bad feeling about the way people write softwares, seems they're writing huge and overcomplicated ones as time goes by
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18:33<reisio>it is odd when they change in the middle
18:34<reisio>and odder when almost no one perceives the change as an improvement
18:34*reisio likes simple syntax even if that means complex parsers
18:34<raph_ael>i fully agree
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18:35<reisio>that is the point of software, after all
18:35<reisio>to make life easier
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18:36<raph_ael>it shoudl be like thus
18:36<raph_ael>this
18:37<raph_ael>reisio: have a good night ! (or day depends on timezone)
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18:53<guilherme>i'm using squeeze, and i wat to know if is it safe to compile a new kernel ? the newest one? and use
18:57<icebrain>guilherme: you could try installing 2.6.35 from experimental, but I wouldn't recommend it
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18:59<guilherme>i'm using the 2.6.32-5-amd64, if i want to compile one, is the best choise to use the 2.6.32-5 ?
18:59<retrospectacus>why do you want a newer kernel?
19:00<guilherme>to learn how to do it and to try to get a faster one, with less modules
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19:06<guilherme>is it wrong? isnt possible to get a faster one?
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19:06<abrotman>it only loads the modules for your hardware, that's kind of silly
19:08<reisio>guilherme: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianKernelCustomCompilation
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19:09<guilherme>thanks
19:09<icebrain>guilherme: the difference won't be noticeable.
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19:12<guilherme>ok, thanks
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19:13<guilherme>thanks for all
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19:19<moldovean>known issue on squeeze iceweasel connected thru 'ssh -X' is very slow , almost unusable ~1 min on local lan 1 BG
19:20<moldovean>s/BG / gb
19:21<moldovean>any idea how to fix it ?
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19:21<abrotman>moldovean: to connect?
19:22<moldovean>to open
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19:23<moldovean>the pc's are at 2 meter side by side , and idle boths
19:23<abrotman>rdns ? try putting the IP of the each machine in the other's /etc/hosts
19:23<retrospectacus>wireless
19:24<retrospectacus>?
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19:25<moldovean>no wired
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19:26<moldovean>both use same router
19:27<abrotman>or not ..
19:28<moldovean>abrotman, added to /etc/hosts , no changes
19:28<abrotman>did you try to do it with a -v ?
19:28<moldovean>trying ..
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19:30<moldovean>well ssh is working correct , is fast as normal, only open browser or any other apps is long/slow
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19:44<bugre>boa noite a todos
19:45<icebrain>oi bugre! só inglês aqui ;)
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19:47<bugre>tanks, I'm out
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19:52<moldovean>my issue seems been caused about using a amd64 kernel in i386 install (pc is native amd 64 ) , changed to i386 kernel resolve it ..
19:52<abrotman>that is some kind of bug ...
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19:52<moldovean>sure
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19:53<spoovy> /join #sidux
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19:54<moldovean>abrotman, thanks
19:55<abrotman>?
19:55<abrotman>i didn't do anything useful
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19:59<moldovean>moral assistance ?
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20:21<student>hi
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20:21<student>我叫作張舜欽
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20:22<moldovean> epiphany-browser in squeeze may do 'file:///' , not here ..
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20:42<collmomo>php ^?
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21:01<reisio>moldovean: here where?
21:01<moldovean>on my laptop squeeze
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21:02<reisio>so you just said it might do FOO in squeeze but not in squeeze?...
21:02<dunn>You realize that if lilo wasn't such a dumbfuck (see: not wearing a helment), he would still be a live today?
21:03<moldovean>reisio, i don't get you , i just said i can't run 'file:///' on epiphany-browser on squeeze machine
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21:05<reisio>ah
21:05<moldovean>reisio, but you right , i missed an '?' somewhere
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21:06<moldovean>thanks abrotman
21:06<abrotman>silly troll can't even spell
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21:49<john>hi, can anyone tell me why my network manager unable to connect the wireless network?
21:50<reisio>john: your system is misconfigured, your network's is, or your hardware is
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21:50<abrotman>or the hardware doesn't support the encryption method the wireless uses
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21:52<john>reisio: but how to check/fix whether is my system or hardware has problem?
21:53<abrotman>john: did you look in the system logs?
21:53<john>haven't, but where i can find the system logs on xubuntu?
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21:54<abrotman>john: please go to #xubuntu on irc.freenode.net, xubuntu is not supported here
21:54<john>oh i see sorry for bothering you guys :P
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22:16<dustin>hello?
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22:31<alex_>hi. I installed debian lenny using deboostrap, I have a couple of config hiccups. I'm using slim as a login manager. Currently, slim is only allowing root to login; when I try to as a normal user it says "cannot execute login command". When I login as root then switch to a normal user in a terminal emu, loading X programs fails; but I can do this from the term emu as root. If I type 'xhost +' as root, then switch to the normal user, I can load
22:32<abrotman>how did yotu install X ?
22:33<alex_>aptitude install xorg
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22:33<abrotman>and how are you starting X ?
22:33<alex_>slim starts it
22:35<alex_>/etc/slim.conf has this line:
22:35<alex_>login_cmd exec /bin/bash -login /etc/X11/Xsession %session
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22:41<alex_>no ideas, huh?
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22:55<jerryclunsford>Hello, I have a question about virtual box when I change to full screen mode the entire screen is used but the area that is the os desktop is still the same size. Is this normal or do I need to adjust something?
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22:58<AndyJ_>Hi team, I've finally upgraded (yay!) and the install was flawless, However, I now have two monitors displaying identical data (stereo vision) can anyone suggest where I should be looking for a X controller (or similar) to recover my display?
23:01<NickyP>I have Intel CORE i5 with win7 installed. looking to debian dual boot. Which images are compatible for a debian 64 bit install?
23:01<jerryclunsford>lenny amd 64 works well
23:02<NickyP>ia 64?
23:02<jerryclunsford>I don't know if it is the newest or not.
23:02<abrotman>NickyP: amd64 or i386
23:02<AndyJ_>Is AMD 64 suitable for Intel? I'm running AMD64 here...
23:02<abrotman>yes
23:02<AndyJ_>on AMD (natch)
23:02<jerryclunsford>ia is the itainium
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23:02<NickyP>it isnt tha
23:02<NickyP>tthat
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23:03<jerryclunsford>I'm running it on my intel server
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23:04<NickyP>i386 will pick up 64bits?
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23:04<jerryclunsford>the amd64 is 64 bit
23:04<franki^>It will work, I don't know what "pick up" means in this context. :)
23:04<jerryclunsford>the i386 is 32 bit
23:04<NickyP>sense on install
23:05<NickyP>then amd 64 even thought it is intel
23:05<franki^>"AMD64" refers to the instruction set, not the manufacturer.
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23:05<NickyP>ok
23:05<jerryclunsford>yes I made the same mistake myself tried to install ia64
23:06<NickyP>brb
23:06<NickyP>dog wants ij\
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23:06<AndyJ_>Anyone able to guess why my twin monitors are now showing the same image?
23:07<AndyJ_>In the past, I was running a proprietary nVidia driver...
23:07<NickyP>ty jerryclunsford
23:07<AndyJ_>But now, where should I be looking to configure X ?
23:07<jerryclunsford>Welcome
23:07<NickyP>i had allreay made ia 64 dvds
23:07<NickyP>glad i checked
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23:08<jerryclunsford>just use the net install on amd64 less to make
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23:08<NickyP>connected by wireless and fear hardware issues on debian side
23:09<NickyP>not picking up wireless card
23:09<jerryclunsford>If you have a good internet connection you should be able to get it installed before you could download and burn
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23:09<jerryclunsford>can't go wired for the install?
23:09<NickyP>possibly
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23:11<jerryclunsford>one advantage of the net install is if you have to reinstall you will get the latest version of the os if you burn the discs you got that version and it will update not as bad as windows but
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23:12<NickyP>that isnt a big issue for me been using on Virtual Box for sometime on another computer
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23:12<NickyP>just first full blown dual boot
23:13<jerryclunsford>you use vbox
23:13<NickyP>some but this is a new computer
23:13<NickyP>and dont plan to use it
23:14<jerryclunsford>I got a question haw can you get real full screen mode when I go full screen the desktop area is the same size
23:15<NickyP>go to the ubunti forums and there is awrite up to modify xbox.conf to adjust your screen
23:15<NickyP>just search
23:15<NickyP>virtual box
23:15<jerryclunsford>I'm using vbox because I installed Debian first and some one told it would be easier than trying to fix grub after windows install gets though with it
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23:15<jerryclunsford>Thanks I
23:16<jerryclunsford>I'll do that
23:16<NickyP>Also,make sure guest additions are installed
23:16<jerryclunsford>I might just back up wipe it and install windows then install Debian again
23:16<NickyP>wow
23:17<NickyP>patient pil time
23:17<NickyP>pill
23:17<jerryclunsford>have fun
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23:18<alex_>NickyP: Install Guest Aditions, that might fix your problem
23:18<alex_>oh, you already said that
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23:19<jerryclunsford>yes i need to get the correct scripts to mount an iso i got some that didn't work
23:20<jerryclunsford>Or I could burn it to a rw cd
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23:21<r0ger> With 512mb of pc133 ram, if I put a stick of pc100 128mb will it slow down and actually lose performance?
23:21<franki^>jerryclunsford: You need the 'Virtualbox Guest Additions' IIRC.
23:22<franki^>If you haven't realised already.
23:23<jerryclunsford>it downloaded guest additions 1.6.6.
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23:23<NickyP>what is the guest OS
23:24<franki^>And you ran the install script in Vbox? I think that's what you've got to do, it's been a while since I used it.
23:24<jerryclunsford>the only bootable windows I had was 98se ancient but I was just trying it
23:25<jerryclunsford>i was told that to fix another issue but I downloaded the wrong script to mount the Iso
23:25<NickyP>Then, i dont remember but there where limitation like 600x 800 VGA
23:26<jerryclunsford>I might just burn it to a rw cd and go from there
23:26<NickyP>that might prevent full screen on a current screen
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23:27<jerryclunsford>if it used the debian screen settings and displayed in that it would be small
23:28<jerryclunsford>my res is 1280x960
23:28<NickyP>you might could fudge the sys.ini in 98
23:29<jerryclunsford>I might just back up critical files, wipe it install XP then install lenny
23:30<jerryclunsford>not a whole lot on this box mainly used for web design
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23:31<mdmyr>help
23:32<jerryclunsford>mdmyr: help doesn't tell much are you under attack
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23:33<mdmyr>jerryclunsford: i got wrong, i dont know irssi :P
23:34<jerryclunsford>irssi?
23:34<mdmyr>the irc client im using...
23:35<jerryclunsford>oh you were asking the irc for help?
23:35<jerryclunsford>sorry about being a smart
23:37<jerryclunsford>franki,NickiP: Thanks for the help have a nice night, day, evening or morning as the case may be.
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