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#debian IRC Logs for 2010-08-02

---Logopened Mon Aug 02 00:00:02 2010
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00:07<brigantia>Hello
00:07<x3mw3rty>Hi
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00:08<brigantia>I am wondering if anyone would be able to help figure out a problem
00:09<brigantia>Its a privatix setup that just crashed twice with an error over graphics config
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00:12<brigantia>Anyone?
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00:56<Karthik>hi chamy
00:56<Karthik>hi chamy
00:59<chamy>I am getting error like this with openoffice compilation 'berkeleydbproxy::DbException' any one help me
01:00<chamy>"/opt/openoffice.org2.2/program/unopkg" add -f "/root/Desktop/cdsknewoutput//opt/openoffice.org2.2_sdk/LINUXexample.out/bin/sampleService.uno.pkg"
01:00<chamy>terminate called after throwing an instance of 'berkeleydbproxy::DbException'
01:00<chamy>make: *** [/root/Desktop/cdsknewoutput//opt/openoffice.org2.2_sdk/LINUXexample.out/misc/sampleServiceAPP/devguide_sampleService_register_component.flag] Aborted
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01:15<chamy>kartka
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02:39<matteo>|list
02:39<matteo>!list
02:39<dpkg>matteo: VATTENE VIA!
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03:17<kblin>morning folks
03:17<reisio>morning
03:18-!-foolano [~magnetic@79-73-70-205.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #debian
03:19<kblin>I've got a couple of debs that haven't been updated to the new upstream releases for about half a year. what's the best way to provide updated packages for this?
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03:20<devil>kblin: a wishlist bug might help
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03:22<kblin>devil: ok. I assume I actually need a debian system to use reportbug. will set one up once I get home :)
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03:23<devil>kblin: using reportbug(-ng) is an easy way to do it but not the only one
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03:24<devil>but yes, there is no webinterface
03:25<kblin>well, seeing how I need to be at my home box to attach the .dsc file to the bug anyways, I can just set up a vm running debian sid
03:25<kblin>need it for testing the package anyway, I guess
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03:26<devil>kblin: it seems i misunderstood you :(
03:26<devil>kblin: these are your packages?
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03:26<kblin>devil: yeah, but I'm on an ubuntu box
03:27<kblin>but ubuntu just uses the debian packages, so it doesn't make sense to not fix them for debian
03:27<devil>kblin: ah, i see. if the packages have a debian maintainer, a wishlist bug is ok
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03:29<kblin>ok, thanks for the info
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03:32<s_i_m>kblin, there is also mentors.debian.net where you could upload the updated packages and the mailing list debian-mentors.l.d.o where you could ask packaging related questions.
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03:33<s_i_m>if the maintainer is not responsive there is always a possibility of an NMU.
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03:47<kblin>s_i_m: it's holiday season right now, I'm not surprised if the maintainer happens to be on vacation :)
03:48<s_i_m>hm. quoting you: "haven't been updated to the new upstream releases for about half a year"
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03:58<kblin>s_i_m: yeah, but I've sent an email to the maintainer asking about this yesterday
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03:59<kblin>s_i_m: we have a couple of new people turning up and bumping into slighly outdated packages right now, or I wouldn't have bothered looking at the packages myself
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04:52<hfr>hi, can someone give me a hint how to scan for harddisks available to the system (ide AND sata), i want to format and mount all available harddrives on boot time (for a netboot livesystem)
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04:56<jm_>hfr: cat /proc/partitions ; ls /sys/block
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04:57<hfr>thanks a lot jm_ !
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05:19<saver>hi, all
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05:20<cmot>Yodel! ACL question: it seems I can't set file timestamps on files I don't own but have full acl (posix acl rwx, on ext3 in my case)
05:20<cmot>is this how it is intended? is there a way around this?
05:20<cmot>I also have rwx acl on the directory the file is in.
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05:21<randy>type ls-a
05:21<weasel>yes, now.
05:21<weasel>s/now/no/
05:21<randy>I'm sorry,i wan to said ls -l
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05:21<weasel>you don't own them, so you can't change the owner or reset the times
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05:22<randy>weasel, are you sure you are own
05:22<cmot>hmm. I'm not quite sure if this is consistent. I have full access to the dir and the file so I can rm and recreate the file but not change the file directly?
05:22<randy>sudo chown [user.group] file
05:22<randy>try it
05:22<weasel>cmot: yup, you can do that.
05:22<cmot>randy: not sure what you're getting at.
05:23<cmot>the user who should be setting the timestamps can't sudo.
05:23<randy>it change file own and group
05:23<randy>sudo means to be root
05:23<cmot>but ok, if POSIX says it's not possible I'll tell the customer it's not possible. (it's a support request)
05:23<weasel>cmot: by setting the timestamp you mean to something that's not "now", right?
05:24<cmot>support request is "use touch to set the timestamp to some specified date"
05:24<cmot>no idea why he'd want to do this, I guess I should try to find what problem he's really trying to solve...
05:24<weasel>he can always rm the file first, as you pointed out.
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05:25<cmot>weasel: he's doing some stuff via samba, ftp, and then via a php web application. I'm not sure I want to inquire too closely what he's doing...
05:25<weasel>I'm sure you don't :)
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05:28<randy>ext3 may can't deal timestamp zfs can
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05:55<volcane>Hello, I've had to move from a SATA DVD to an IDE one and squeeze is no longer detecting it. How do I start troubleshooting it?
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05:58<jm_>start by reading kernel's output
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06:15<rup-work>hi all, I have a question about lenny on sparc
06:16<rup-work>I've just finished a minimal install of lenny on a sun fire v100 sparc64 and have gone to install sun-java6-jdk but there is no build for sparc
06:16<rup-work>so I guess I need to build it from source
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06:17<themill>rup-work: there is no sun java available for sparc. openjdk-6-jdk should be available, however.
06:17<themill>,versions openjdk-6-jdk --arch sparc
06:17<judd>openjdk-6-jdk -- lenny: 6b11-9.1; lenny-security: 6b11-9.1+lenny2; squeeze: 6b18-1.8-1; sid: 6b18-1.8.1-1
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06:18<themill>rup-work: sun java is not free software so debian can only give it to you in the architectures that sun decides to make it in (amd64 and i386 only)
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06:18<rup-work>ok, but confluence and jira have issues with openjdk apparently - is it not possible to build sun java from source?
06:18<rup-work>ok gotcha
06:18<rup-work>so oracle want me to pay for solaris
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06:20<rup-work>so it seems there is simply no way to have sun-java6 on debian on sparc64 - I either have to make do with openjdk, or switch to opensolaris? am I correct they are my only options?
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06:21<themill>openjdk is pretty good now. there's not too much that confounds it, although there are reports that it is slower than sun java
06:22<rup-work>ok thanks, I'll try that and if I have issues with confluence/jira I'll have to rebuild opensolaris
06:22<rup-work>thanks for the help
06:23<jm_>alternatively if sun has non-free java that you can install maybe go with that in /usr/local or somesuch
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07:38<Valtiel>hi
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07:40<Valtiel>why PPC debian don't work ?
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07:41<Valtiel>i have Apple PowerMAC G5
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07:41<Valtiel>and i download Debian PPC
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07:41<Valtiel>but it don't work
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07:45<Valtiel>debian-ppc empty
07:45<Valtiel>maybe i'm alone use debian PPC architecture on this planet
07:45<Valtiel>((
07:46<jordanm>Valtiel: its #debianppc
07:46<jordanm>without the "-"
07:47<Valtiel>i'm on debian-ppc
07:47<Valtiel>there are 1 user
07:47<Valtiel>maybe bot
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07:51<jordanm>Valtiel: that is not the correct channel, as a I just said
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08:37<Mazingaro>hi
08:37<Mazingaro>is there anyone using kbarcode? I need to resize generated barcodes, but I don't know how!
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08:52<vizor>hi huys, I want to hide grub2 menu on boot but show it after SHIFT/ESC hold/press
08:52<vizor>can I do this in debian
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08:53<vizor>?
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08:53<imperia>hello. i am trying to compile kernel. everything is fine, however debugging symbols or something is turned on in my .config. and produced .deb file is 30mb big. can somebody tell me which option do i have to disable?
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09:18<felixs>imperia: are you using make-kpkg?
09:19<imperia>felixs: yes
09:19<felixs>the -g switch is somewhat hardwired.
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09:20<felixs>but you can tell make-kpkg to only create the debian directory (with all of its contents), then remove -g, and use ./debian/rules binary to make the .deb
09:21<felixs>i dont exactly remember in which file -g is specified. find out using grep
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09:27<imperia>felixs: i am not sure what you mean. what is this -g option. i always compiled my kernel with this command: fakeroot make-kpkg --revision=custom.1.0 kernel_image
09:27<felixs>imperia: the -g switch turns on debugging symbols (this is set in your .config)
09:28<felixs>but anyway, this might not be the reason for your big .deb file. whats in there?
09:30<imperia>just tried search inside my .config but there is no -g in it
09:30<felixs>argh, this is _NOT_ set in your .config
09:30<felixs>thats what i wanted to type :|
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09:33<imperia>felixs: when i compiled the kernel i saw many 'objcopy --add-gnu-debuglink' lines. i guess that is what increase my .deb file size?
09:34<felixs>iirc make-kpkg builds the kernel with -g, then packs it into *-kernel-dbg*.deb, and then, after stripping the symbols, packs into the linux-image*.deb
09:34<felixs>i wonder what is so big in your kernel .deb. is it the image itself?
09:35<imperia>no idea.. but lenny linux-image-2.6.26 is 20mb... 2.6.32 from sid is 25mb i think. the one i make is 30mb :( 2.6.35
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09:37<felixs>imperia: thats at least interesting
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09:38<felixs>does make bzimage (or somthing like that) produce a normal-size image?
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09:42<NickyP>Can I use dvd-x to install firmware packages?
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09:42<NickyP>no network on squeeze yet.
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09:44<imperia>felixs: http://www.pastebin.org/441303
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09:46<felixs>imperia: i only see images of about 2MB size (?)
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09:46<felixs>imperia: ls also has a -h switch
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09:48<netharis>hi guys
09:48<netharis>i'm trying to install latest netinst image
09:48<netharis>and dhcp is not working, neither static addressing
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09:48<netharis>i have two nic's
09:48<netharis>neither will work
09:49<imperia>felixs: lenny image is 1.5 mb .. sid is 2.2mb if that is alright i guess the modules has debug info enabled?
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09:54<felixs>imperia: i dont think so. is the number of modules the same? do you find any module that is significantly bigger than before?
09:55<felixs>maybe your newer kernel has a lot of new drivers, which all default to [m]...
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09:55<ani>i am using Lenny .. from where can i get all free ,non free, 3rd party source list. i am getting 305 link permanently movedon some link ..and can't install Firefox also via apt-get.
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09:58<themill>ani: "aptitude install iceweasel"; You may like to "/msg dpkg bpo" if you want a newer version of the browser.
10:00<ani>themill but 1st i need to repair my source list ..
10:00<ani>to do that.
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10:01<ani>aptitude install iceweasel working ..thanks :)
10:03<imperia>felixs: i copied config file from sid's 2.6.32. then i did make oldconfig and all modules that were new i selected [m] for them.
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10:04<imperia>felixs: i just checked my /lib/modules/2.6.26 folder with midnight commander viewer (which can see symbols) for lenny.. no symbols present.. for sid and my custom kernel i can view the symbols in the modules :(
10:05<imperia>felixs: this for sure increae .deb file size but i don't know how to disable it
10:05<imperia>increase*
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10:07<felixs>imperia: make-kpkg debian; less debian/ruleset/common/copt.mk. thats where -g is set.
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10:08<felixs>imperia: its still strange that the symbols are not removed before packing the .deb
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10:13<imperia>felixs: maybe they left them enable because its testing repo? because the original sid kernel 2.6.32 has symbols enable too
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10:15<imperia>felixs: cat debian/ruleset/common/copt.mk | grep CFLAG result is CFLAGS = -Wall -g :( so i got -g inthere :(
10:16<felixs>imperia: since the kernel with debug symbols is in linyx_image-*dbg.deb, i'd be surprised about that.
10:16<felixs>imperia: remove this -g and make the package wirh ./debian/rules binary
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10:20<felixs>imperia: if you end up with a smaller image, there must be something wrong with the debug-sym removal (bug in make-kpkg?)
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10:41<imperia>felixs: i am not sure how to do this. but check this out.. i just compiled again my kernel. http://www.pastebin.org/441400 this is what i think that increase my .deb file size. when i compile kernel i see hundred of lines like this just before the .deb file is ready. before when i compiled my kernel (older releases) i never see such lines.
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10:41<imperia>felixs: objcopy --only-keep-debug and objcopy --add-gnu-debuglink
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10:49<felixs>imperia: i'd expect something like --strip-debug before the deb is packed....
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10:58<imperia>felixs: http://www.pastebin.org/441445 full log from all those objcopy-s until the end
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11:16<NickyP>I have a Ralink wireless with rt2860sta driver and cant get it up. Need suggestions.
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11:17<imperia>NickyP: what dmesg say
11:17<jordanm>!rt2860
11:17<dpkg>rt2860sta is the vendor driver for Ralink PCI 802.11n (RT2760, RT2790, RT2860, RT2890, RT3090, RT3091, RT3092) wireless LAN devices, included as a staging driver (amd64, i386 only) in Debian 2.6.32 kernel images. Firmware is required, ask me about <ralink firmware> to provide. http://wiki.debian.org/rt2860sta
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11:18<sarc>what is the quickest way to get the latest version of a Debian package?
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11:18<jordanm>sarc: run sid/experimental, and spend a lot of time fixing broken crap
11:19<NickyP>ill nned to switch back to linux and then come back and dmesg and come back... brb
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11:19<sarc>that seems to be a rather drastic approach
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11:21<jordanm>!tell sarc about ssb
11:21<s_i_m>sarc, check backports. if there is no your package, backport yourself.
11:21<jordanm>sarc: depending on the package, backporting may not be possible
11:22<jordanm>or sensible...
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11:23<s_i_m>another option is running a mixed system
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11:24<felixs>imperia: sorry, i dont know where the problem is. ive not written make-kpkg :|
11:24*jordanm doesn't recommend a mixed system
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11:25<felixs>sarc: if there's no backport, get the source (apt-get), build your own package (dpkg-buildpackage)
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11:42<s1m0n>Hello everyone, Ive been trying to restore my grub, but the command in the install to fix it seems to be missing. Ive tried it with the latest netinst and cd1. Any tips? I tried reinstalling it manually as good as I knew, following various tutorial, Ive managed to get to a grub command line but I wasnt able to boot into my debian.
11:44<s1m0n>Ive tried it with both grub and grub2
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11:48<s_i_m>s1m0n, boot with any rescue CD, mount your drive, chroot to the mounted root and run grub-install from there
11:48<s1m0n>thanks, gonna try rn
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11:54<s1m0n>mmh, like i thought, thats exactly what i did yesterday. still just seeing the grub shell. Though grub-install reported finishing without errors and listing two hdds as boot option...
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11:56<s1m0n>running grub 1.96 btw
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11:58<s_i_m>s1m0n, how did you break your grub, btw?
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12:01<s_i_m>s1m0n, did you run update-grub after grub-install?
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12:01<s1m0n>dont really know, i guess while i was trying to fix some corrupted ntfs. no, i didnt, gonna retry...
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12:02<s1m0n>the ntfs is working again btw :)
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12:08<yohexs>haiiiiiiiiiiii
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12:08<s1m0n>thanks, debian is booting again. btw, i suggest renaming/linking that command to grub-update, i would have found it much sooner... Thanks s_i_m
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12:09<yohexs>how to make up date faster???
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12:09<s_i_m>s1m0n, np.
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12:09<jordanm>yohexs: run stable so there are much less packages to upgrade? get a faster internet connection?
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12:27<Vivek>Any good howtos on how to view youtube videos in Debian AMD 64 Bit ?
12:27<Vivek>Thanks in Advance.
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12:28<jordanm>Vivek: most of them will work with google-chrome and html 5, otherwise, I think there are instructions on the wiki
12:28<Torsten_W>a workaround is in the debian-wiki
12:28<jordanm>!flash
12:28<dpkg>Flash is frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> or <swfdec> for free implementations, ask about <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation. http://wiki.debian.org/Flash
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12:28<Vivek>I am talking of Debian Stable.
12:28<jordanm>Vivek: yep
12:28<retrospectacus>I like to use youtube-dl
12:28<Gathond>Vivek: presently (since adobe has put 64 bit flash on hold) either dont, use a browser supporting html5 and live with only those videos, install a 32 bit chroot, try the plugin thing
12:28<jordanm>Vivek: I am talking proprietary google-chrome
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12:29<jordanm>Gathond: there is nspluginwrapper so a chroot is not needed (although it could use a chroot itself)
12:29<Gathond>jordanm: from what I can read a lot of flash content does not work with it though
12:29<Gathond>I haven't tried though
12:29<jordanm>Gathond: I have not tried it either
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12:30<jordanm>but yes, I have heard of a "grey box" issue of some kind
12:30<Gathond>I just read some (in the bug report) that lots of flash just gave a grey box :)
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12:30<Vivek>jordanm: What is the exact name of the nspluginwrapper ?
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12:30<jordanm>Vivek: did you check that flash wiki page?
12:31<Gathond>Vivek: as to why this affects stable, the flash packages are not allowed to actually contain flash, so it downloads it from adobe (and adobe removed the 64 bit linux one recently)
12:31<Vivek>Gathond: ok.
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12:33<matteo>buonasera
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12:34<retrospectacus>just apt-get install youtube-dl then $ youtube-dl http://youtube.com/watch?v=8vul3a9 and it will download a 8vul3a9.flv you can keep and watch with mplayer etc.
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12:48<Moredread>hi, I can't find why wvstreams isn't available on armel testing atm, under https://buildd.debian.org/status/package.php?p=wvstreams&suite= it isn't listed, neither is a bug filed. where could I look?
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12:58<Moredread>ah sry, it is listed https://buildd.debian.org/quinn-diff/unstable/Packages-arch-specific sorry I bothered you
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13:02<Vivek>retrospectacus: Thanks for that update, I am not interested in downloading the youtube videos. What I need is to view it online.
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13:08<retrospectacus>I realize this is not the same but I find it very useful (and I have perfectly working youtube flash in browser) (32-bit)
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13:09<retrospectacus>I wonder if you could make a hook in the browser that runs a script to youtube-dl the file and play it with mplayer
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13:11<dkr>retrospectacus: there are some firefox add-ons for dl'ng videos from sites with videos embedded in flash wrappers
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13:12<Lanz>Easy Youtube Video Downloader comes to mind
13:15<retrospectacus>I know, but make it go automagically and play the thing. Whatever, I'm fine :P
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13:15<Lanz>I'd say you might as well just wait for HTML5
13:15<Lanz>Tough it out on Flash 10.1 til then
13:15<Lanz>Add the debian-multimedia repository and grab it
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13:16<Lanz>Gnash isn't quite there for Youtube, unfortunately
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13:18<Vivek>I installed Debian Lenny and then changed the /etc/apt/sources.list as follows http://pastie.org/1071285
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13:19<Vivek>I am now doing an apt-get upgrade after an apt-get update
13:19<jordanm>Vivek: I am betting that will blow up
13:19<Vivek>I should get a debian testing system right ?
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13:19<jordanm>udev fails to configure -> libc fails to configure -> broken system
13:20<Vivek>or should I have done apt-get --dist upgrade
13:20<jordanm>!udev squeeze
13:20<dpkg>As of <udev> 150 in squeeze, Linux kernel 2.6.27 or newer is required (i.e. upgrade kernel and udev at the same time). If udev installation fails and you already have a squeeze kernel installed, then reboot into the new kernel and "aptitude -f install ; aptitude safe-upgrade" to continue. See also <squeeze kernel>, <kernel abi>, http://bugs.debian.org/571255
13:20<jordanm>!tell Vivek about why aptitude
13:20<retrospectacus>Vivek: follow these directions: /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze
13:20<jordanm>Vivek: aptitude is the recommended upgrade tool
13:20<Vivek>ok
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13:24<Vivek>jordanm: Thanks for that update
13:25<Vivek>I'll try the method I am doing, If it blows up, I'll re-install and try your method
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13:25<Vivek>Because the apt-get upgrade is half way, so if i stop it might b0rk the system.
13:26<Vivek>Anyways it is minimal Netinstall, I don' mind reinstalling one more time.
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13:29<green>HEllo
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14:15<rens>I see NetworkManager 0.8.1 is available, but my repos have 0.6.6 at max. I do have problems using wifi, so I would like to update. Who knows a repository which has a more recent networkmanager?
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14:15<loe>1777 is the correct perm for /tmp right??
14:15<locklace>loe: yes
14:15<loe>or 777?
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14:15<locklace>no
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14:32<randy>meglaw, are you on online
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14:33<loe>thx
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14:52<jaymx>I have a question, only debian developers have an "@debian.org" e-mail address right?
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14:54<jordanm>jaymx: possibly DMs to, but yes
14:55<jaymx>DM's?
14:55<jaymx>oh, nevermind
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14:56<rmayorga>Debian Manitainers, but yes, only Developers have @debian.org email address
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14:58<trmanovo>anybody has a pointer to how to sue waco tablet bamboo with lenny?, is it at all usable?
14:58<trmanovo>anybody has a pointer to how to use waco tablet bamboo with lenny?, is it at all usable?
14:58<trmanovo>wacom (sorry)
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14:59<jaymx>rmayorga, I didn't know you visited this channel too
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15:00<rmayorga>jaymx: I'm mostly here idling
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15:01<jaymx>rmayorga: so am I oftenly, you know who I am right?
15:01<rmayorga>not sure
15:02<rmayorga>but this will be off-topic here
15:02<jaymx>I know
15:02<rmayorga>please use pvt
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15:22<sudoexx>witam, jak zatrzymac "obraz" podczas startu debiana?
15:22<locklace>!pl
15:22<dpkg>from memory, pl is polska -> #debian-pl (on irc.freenode.net). Also, pl is a common extension for perl scripts and is sometimes used as an abbreviation for "packet loss".
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15:27<tuxG>hi
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15:34<alex_>hallo
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15:36<wilberfan64>I've been having connectivity problems on my Sid install. Testing install on the same machine is fine...
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15:36<wilberfan64>I get this error: SIOCADDRT: File Exists
15:37<jordanm>!tell wilberfan64 about sid
15:37<wilberfan64>Here are some possible lines from the syslog: http://paste.debian.net/?show=82053
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15:38<wilberfan64>i found some ifdown / ifup commands that will remedy--but i'd like to not have to resort to that...
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15:38<wilberfan64>oops. no sid support in here.. sorry...
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15:55<wist>why can't i find msn nor Yahoo! on finch 2.4.3-4lenny7 ?
15:56<themill>,versions finch
15:56<judd>finch -- etch-backports: 2.4.3-4lenny5~bpo40+1; lenny: 2.4.3-4lenny7; lenny-security: 2.4.3-4lenny7; lenny-backports: 2.7.1-1~bpo50+1; sid: 2.7.2-1; squeeze: 2.7.2-1
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15:57<themill>wist: I think you'll find that various companies keep changing their protocols slightly and that the lenny version no longer works. Try the one from backports.org; /msg dpkg bpo
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15:58<shiznatix>Hello. I am trying to run unetbootin but every time I try I get this error http://pastebin.com/5V5DhtwA
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15:59<wist>thanks themill
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16:07<nras>The first free online sex game, try it: http://s3.thewrestlinggame.com/?w=17377
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16:11<wizard>anyone help with ldc or plasma which is better to have ?
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16:12<imperia>lcd i think
16:13<wizard>cheers, heard a lot of people having problems with plasma
16:13<wizard>so was thinking LCD would be better as I don't have the problems that come with Plasma TV's
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16:16<NickyP>Trying to get ralink wireless up under squeeze. dmesg output is at: http://debian.pastebin.com/918wt0yy
16:16<NickyP>suggestions please
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16:17<sney>does /etc/Wireless/RT2860STA/RT2860STA.dat exist?
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16:30<NickyP>Trying to get ralink wireless up under squeeze. dmesg output is at: http://debian.pastebin.com/918wt0yy. Suggestions please.
16:31<imperia>are you some kind of bot?
16:31<petemc>NickyP: sney asked you a question
16:32<petemc>21:17 < sney> does /etc/Wireless/RT2860STA/RT2860STA.dat exist?
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16:56<Tookiewan>What is the best way to automate apt-get install within a bash script so that it doesn't hang up with Y/N confirmations?
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16:58<notrev>Tookiewan, apt-get install -y ?
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16:59<Tookiewan>-y will assume yes for all?
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17:01<Tookiewan>what about packages like mysql-server that prompts for a new root password?
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17:06<Tookiewan>i would like to install mysql-server from a script... so if i use apt-get install -y mysql-server I still get a prompt for a password... any way to get around this?
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17:08<jordanm>Tookiewan: perhaps dpkg-preconfigure
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17:08<petemc>Tookiewan: preseeding
17:08<Tookiewan>jordanm: will that even work before apt-get install?
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17:09<Tookiewan>petemc: can you point me to an example of this?
17:09<carles>hi!!
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17:10<petemc>Tookiewan: http://rndguy.ca/2010/02/24/fully-automated-ubuntu-server-setups-using-preseed/
17:10<amoe>Hi all, how can I use ssh-agent on debian? I added an identity with ssh-keygen, but no ssh-agent process is running after I log in.
17:10<petemc>very easy to find with google
17:10<carles>that you know of moun???
17:10<Tookiewan>mysql-server-5.0 mysql-server/root_password password xxxxx
17:10<Tookiewan>that is what google tells me
17:10<Tookiewan>so just put that in a file?
17:10<petemc>keep reading
17:10<Tookiewan>and how do you preseed with apt-get install
17:11<Tookiewan>petemc: i dont want to have to install debconf-utils
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17:11<jordanm>Tookiewan: preseeding is a method of automated installation
17:12<jordanm>Tookiewan: and it uses tasksel/aptitude, not apt-get
17:12<Tookiewan>but i need debconf-utils, right?
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17:12<Tookiewan>jordan then you arent answering my question :)
17:12<felixs>amoe: X session or tty?
17:12<Tookiewan>i want unattended install of mysql-server from script using apt-get install
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17:14<amoe>felixs: X session
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17:14<jordanm>Tookiewan: did you even look at my recommendation?
17:15<amoe>felixs: I have 'use-ssh-agent' in /etc/X11/Xsession.options
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17:16<amoe>felixs: Ignore, I lie, it is running
17:16<amoe>sorry for that
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17:16<Tookiewan>jordan, i dont want to install debconf-utils
17:16<Tookiewan>assuming that i need that
17:17<jordanm>,file dpkg-preconfigure
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17:17<judd>dpkg-preconfigure in lenny/i386: debconf: usr/sbin/dpkg-preconfigure
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17:18<felixs>amoe: :) anyway: you might want to install libpam-ssh (and configure your xdm to use it)
17:18<Tookiewan>judd: dpkg-preconfigure: must specify some debs to preconfigure
17:18<jordanm>Tookiewan: judd is a bot
17:18<Tookiewan>jordanm: how would i have debs if i'm installing from apt-get install?
17:18<jordanm>!judd
17:18<dpkg>from memory, judd is a window into the Ultimate Debian Database (ask me about <udd>). Judd can look up package, PCI-Id and kernel config information. To get a list of commands, "/msg judd list Judd" "/msg judd list Piccy" and for usage information, "/msg judd help commandname". See also <source judd> <judd-packages> <judd-hardware>.
17:19<jordanm>Tookiewan: apt-get -d install foo?
17:19<amoe>thanks felixs
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17:19<seanius>sounds a little hacky...
17:20<jordanm>yes, it does, but I was just making a suggestion. Tookiewan doesn't seem to be doing much/any of his own research
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17:20<Tookiewan>jordanm: so, apt-get -d install mysql-server, dpkg-preconfigure mysql-server, apt-get -y install mysql-server ???
17:20<Tookiewan>like that?
17:21<jordanm>Tookiewan: don't know, did you try it?
17:21<Tookiewan>so you dont know how its supposed to work?
17:22<jordanm>Tookiewan: nope, I was just point you at something that looked like it could accomplish the job, figuring you would look into whether or not it was a good solution from there. however, I was wrong
17:23<seanius>rawr
17:23<jordanm>Tookiewan: you were also linked to a guide using debconf-set-selections, which appears to be the proper way
17:23<seanius>what about debconf-communicate(1)?
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17:32<Tookiewan>debconf-set-selections looks good but i see no examples when googling for the file i need to create
17:32<avu>Tookiewan, use debconf-get-selections
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17:32<facundo>!
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17:33<avu>Tookiewan, it's in debconf-utils iirc
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17:33<avu>indeed it is
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17:36<Tookiewan>would this work? : http://blog.learnadmin.com/2010/03/automated-installation-of-mysql-without.html
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17:38<jordanm>Tookiewan: why don't you test it instead of asking us? I mean... how long does it take to test?
17:39<Tookiewan>well since its all from script yes it takes a long time
17:39<Tookiewan>just wondering if you guys thought it **might** work
17:39<jordanm>Tookiewan: you can test just a couple commands without running an entire script
17:39<jordanm>you could even do interactively
17:39<jordanm>Tookiewan: I don't believe that giving you the answers will help you learn... help you learn to help yourself
17:40<Tookiewan>if it looks "logical" to you
17:40<Tookiewan>i will rebuild my system though
17:40<Tookiewan>and test
17:40<Tookiewan>this has to work flawlessly from beginnign to end
17:41<jordanm>which is why you should test it yourself
17:41<jordanm>or another reason I should say
17:41<jordanm>Tookiewan: I will say if you do it that way, your password will likely appear in "ps" output
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17:42<seanius>if it's an automated installation there probably isn't anyone with access to run ps, is there...
17:42<jordanm>(something else to test)
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17:42<jordanm>seanius: well, he is not preseeding so its assumed that the machine is already installed and running
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17:47<nickaugust>so im trying to get a xterm screen on one monitor and my regular windows manager on the other monitor. ive got x set to boot two seperate x screens and the window manager boots up correctly on the first one and the second one is a blank session. i then created a script that sets DISPLAY=:0.1 and then runs xterm which opens xterm on the second monitor. but I cant get it to accept focus so I can type
17:47<nickaugust> to it. any ideas how to fix this?
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17:56<retrospectacus>nickaugust: does Ctrl-Alt-F7 and F8 switch between them?
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18:03<nickaugust>retrospectacus: no ctrl-alt-f8 makes them both go black
18:03<nickaugust>hm
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18:05<retrospectacus>I see... I think someone was doing this before, asking in here, but I forget how it worked... bunch of X config stuff I think
18:05<nickaugust>the mouse works fine over there... maybe its somethign in the input section of x config
18:05<nickaugust>yeah.. im going to look there. thanks
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18:09<Tookiewan>jordanm: how would my password appear in the process list?
18:10<Tookiewan>(assuming you mean the ps command)
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18:13<Tookiewan>if i do the following in a script:
18:13<Tookiewan>echo "mysql-server mysql-server/root_password select (password omitted)" | debconf-set-selections
18:13<Tookiewan>echo "mysql-server mysql-server/root_password_again select (password omitted)" | debconf-set-selections
18:13<Tookiewan>apt-get install -y mysql-server
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18:14<Tookiewan>If I do the follwing from a script:
18:14<Tookiewan>echo "mysql-server mysql-server/root_password select (password omitted)" | debconf-set-selections
18:14<Tookiewan>echo "mysql-server mysql-server/root_password_again select (password omitted)" | debconf-set-selections
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18:14<Tookiewan>apt-get install -y mysql-server
18:14<Tookiewan>Are there any security concerns for ps as jordanm suggested?
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18:25<Tookiewan>does echo "mysql-server mysql-server/root_password select (password omitted)" | debconf-set-selections store my password anywhere permanently?
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18:43<nickaugust>hm if i run kwin on the other x screen it starts accepting keyboard input again
18:43<nickaugust>i guess thats a kinda solution
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18:59<vanrussel1>connect irc.thundercity.net
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19:02<r0ger>why would net.ipv6.bindv6only=0 not be set after a reboot even though it's in /etc/sysctl.conf?
19:03<themill>r0ger: is it also set in /etc/sysctl.d/bindv6only.conf?
19:04<r0ger>probably not
19:04<r0ger>i wasn't aware it needed to be in both places
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19:04<themill>both is not necessary
19:04<r0ger>that must be the new location
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19:06<themill>r0ger: it's not *that* new (April 2008) but yes, that directory can contain configuration snippets too.
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19:10<jordanm>new squeeze installs should start with bindv6only=0
19:10<jordanm>atleast, that is what I understood
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19:11<jordanm>yes, I just verified on a squeeze install from last week
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19:12<Tookiewan>I must be doing something wrong trying to do an unattended install of mysql from script. Would anyone be willing to review it?
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19:17<Tookiewan>im doing the following: echo "mysql-server mysql-server/root_password select foo | debconf-set-selections
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19:18<themill>Tookiewan: are you sure that's the right package? not mysql-server-5.0? (Use a test machine/vm and debconf-get-selections to verify)
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19:20<Tookiewan>themill: aah, i am doing an apt-get install mysql-server.... wasnt sure that you needed mysql-server-5.0
19:20<Tookiewan>thank you
19:21<Tookiewan>hmm... that didnt work either
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19:25<Tookiewan>themill: when using debconf-set-selections, do i have to worry about my password being stored somewhere permanently?
19:25<Tookiewan>or is it temporary and deleted on reboot?
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19:26<themill>Tookiewan: would you believe me anyway? You should try it and check in /var/cache/debconf/ yourself.
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19:28<Tookiewan>themill: will do
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19:31<Tookiewan>is it safe to remove everything (by file deletion) everything (recursively) in /var?
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19:32<Tookiewan>safe as in it wont screw up my debian install?
19:32<sney>Tookiewan: no.
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19:34<Tookiewan>sney: how about /var/log and /var/cache?
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19:36<student>hi guys!
19:36<student>just installed backtrack4
19:37<themill>student: so you probably want #backtrack-linux on irc.freenode.net
19:38<Tookiewan>is it safe to perform rm -rf /var/log and rm -rf /var/cache ??
19:39<student>themill..good idea tnx
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19:46<sney>Tookiewan: many packages rely on specific directory structures in /var. it's not recommended. if you need to clear up some space you can try apt-get clean
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19:47<sparky4_>hello?
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19:47<sney>hi
19:47-!-lemoni [~p@193.92.138.143.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr] has quit []
19:47<sparky4_>I installed Debian lenny on my Sony Vaio PCG - 7V2L
19:47<sparky4_>I noticed the hardware dose not want to work with the software
19:48<sney>such as
19:48<sparky4_>webcame brightness and wireless networking dose not communicate
19:48<sparky4_>webcam, brightness, and wireless networking dose not communicate**
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19:50<YEPI>How many cd's i need to install latest debian in offline mode?
19:50<YEPI>I wanna use KDE
19:50<sparky4>sney: how can i fix?
19:51<sney>YEPI: there is a CD1 that includes KDE, that will get you up and running
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19:52<sney>sparky4: for brightness hotkeys you'll need to look up your specific model, since most laptop companies handle it differently
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19:52<sney>but wireless should be pretty easy. open a terminal, and type 'lspci -v |grep net' and paste the output on a website like http://paste.debian.net/
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19:53<sparky4>ok
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19:53<sparky4>sney: and webcam?
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19:54<sney>webcam would also be vendor-specific
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19:58<sparky4>sney: it is a Sony Vaio PCG - 7V2L
19:59<sney>you have to look that stuff up yourself. what about the wireless?
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20:01<sparky4>sney: wait
20:01<YEPI>How many cd's i need to install latest debian in offline mode?
20:02<jpinx-eeepc>YEPI: one
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20:03<sparky4_>?
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20:03<sparky|4|vanio4>ok
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20:03<sparky|4|vanio4>sney: w
20:04<sney>?
20:04<sparky4>sney: wait
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20:04<sney>espero siempre
20:04<sparky|4|vanio4>sney: http://pastebin.com/jBFgBicj
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20:06<sney>sparky|4|vanio4: looks like your wireless is not enabled
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20:06<Tookiewan>I need some real help from a non-troll.
20:06<sney>is there a switch on your laptop somewhere or in the bios?
20:06<sney>Tookiewan: many packages rely on specific directory structures in /var. it's not recommended. if you need to clear up some space you can try apt-get clean
20:06<abrotman>Tookiewan: please don't do that .. you were just banned on freenode and i'm sure themill really meant for you to take a timeout
20:06<Tookiewan>sney: thanks for your help, but that is not the issue now
20:07<Tookiewan>abrotman: i am speaking to sney
20:07<sparky4>sney: no there is no switch in the bios
20:07<abrotman>no, you're asking for help from anyone that is willing to help .. and you just yelled at people on freenode
20:07<sney>sorry, if themill banned you from one place it's just a matter of seconds before he notices you here
20:07<sney>you'd be better off asking on the forums, keep your head down for a couple hours
20:07<abrotman>especially if we keep saying themill
20:07<Tookiewan>sney: the problem is that the debconf-set-selections isnt working correctly from a script with mysql-server
20:08<Tookiewan>abrotman, you can hardly call Bush a volunteer
20:08<Tookiewan>he was a TROLL
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20:08<sney>yep
20:08<abrotman>Tookiewan: just try to be civil, it will get you much further
20:08<themill>Tookiewan: see... I let it ride for a bit to see if you could interact nicely with the other kiddies. But you can't it seems.
20:08<sney>Tookiewan: be the bigger man no matter how trolled you get
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20:09<sparky4>sney: no there is no switch in the bios
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20:10<sney>sparky4: well if lspci can't see your wireless card then it is not on
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20:10<sney>what about an actual switch on the outside of the laptop?
20:10<sparky4>sney: there is one there
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20:11<sney>sparky4: well make sure it is on and then do the lspci again
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20:14<sparky4>sney: i see a iwlwifi-3945-1.ucode microcode: -2
20:15<sparky4>whe it is off
20:15<sney>!iwlwifi
20:15<dpkg>iwlwifi is the new driver for Intel 3945 and 4965 wireless LAN chipsets since Lenny. Firmware is required, ask me about <non-free sources> and install the firmware-iwlwifi package to provide. See http://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi (particularly if switching from ipw3945). See also <iwlagn> <wmaster0>. #ipw2100 on irc.freenode.net.
20:15<sney>there is your answer.
20:16<sparky4>snok
20:16<sparky4>sney: ok
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20:19<YEPI>I have Marvell Yukon Ethernet and install cd 1 doesnt detect my ethernet. WHat now?
20:19<sney>if you are installing from cd1 you don't need the network yet and you can safely ignore that
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20:20<sparky4>sney: ok
20:20<YEPI>Internet will works after install?
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20:20<YEPI>System says it's ethernet card not detected
20:20<YEPI>on setup
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20:25<sney>YEPI: the installed system is a little smarter than the installer. I have a marvell yukon in one of my machines and it's supported. it'll be fine
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20:27<YEPI>ok
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20:35<ra59645>oi
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20:40<NickyP>Trying to get ralink wireless card up dmesg output show reference to a /etc/Wireless that isn't present-http://pastebin.com/918wt0yy
20:40<NickyP>http://pastebin.com/918wt0yy
20:41<NickyP>have done a modprobe RT2860STSTA
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20:42<streuner__>ralink? well, they have there own config/stuff...
20:43<NickyP>lsacpi -v doesnt show the interface
20:43<streuner__>yes, please tell us the output, there is maybe a factoid about
20:43<streuner__>oh
20:44<streuner__>lspci ?
20:44<streuner__>lspci doesnt show something at all?
20:45<NickyP>darn modprobe RT2860STA
20:45<streuner__>!listkeys 2860
20:45<dpkg>Factoid search of '2860' by key (2): rt2860sta ;; rt2860.
20:46<streuner__>dpkg, rt2860
20:46<dpkg>rt2860sta is the vendor driver for Ralink PCI 802.11n (RT2760, RT2790, RT2860, RT2890, RT3090, RT3091, RT3092) wireless LAN devices, included as a staging driver (amd64, i386 only) in Debian 2.6.32 kernel images. Firmware is required, ask me about <ralink firmware> to provide. http://wiki.debian.org/rt2860sta
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20:52<streuner__>dpkg, listkeys 3090
20:52<dpkg>Factoid search of '3090' by key (2): rt3090sta ;; rt3090.
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21:07<grimnar>What is the best solution for a mailserver with virtual hosting and a web frontend for admin?
21:07<grimnar>Any *new* howtos with exim4?
21:07<grimnar>*Vexim not to be mentioned
21:08<jpinx-eeepc>postfix is easier iirc
21:08<jpinx-eeepc>but dunno about web frontends for it
21:08<jpinx-eeepc>sounds a bit webmin-ish ;)
21:09<grimnar>yeah well
21:09<jpinx-eeepc>grimnar: if you limit the functions you could write your own in php
21:10<grimnar>Sure
21:10<jpinx-eeepc>I did that for limited apache functions when I was doing virtual hosting
21:10<grimnar>Who needs functions?
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22:04<sparky|4|vanio4>?
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22:11<VBullinger>where are the spanish chats debian?
22:11<dkr>!es
22:11<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat
22:11<Xenguy>!es
22:12<VBullinger>gracias te regalo la leche de mipalo
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22:14<Lantizia>Anyone use Pure-FTPd here?
22:14<VBullinger>Si ya no aguantas los negros y sus pinches changada
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22:14<VBullinger>unete al foro de Chimpout!
22:14<VBullinger>http://www.chimpout.com/forum
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22:15<abrotman>Lantizia: just ask your real question
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22:17<Xavi>anybody knows if there is sleep support on Powerbook debian
22:17<Xavi>?
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22:17<Lantizia>abrotman, it's fucked - help ?
22:18<abrotman>that's not a real question?
22:18<Lantizia>ok less real than that
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22:18<abrotman>okay
22:18<abrotman>Xavi: linux-laptop.net has lots of useful information about laptops
22:18<Lantizia>I've never got the mysql version of it working - and I've no idea why and I've no idea where to start
22:19<Lantizia>So yeah... I am genuinely after someone who has actually got it working
22:19<Xavi>thanks abrotman
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22:27<noobadix>Hi everyone!
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22:29<noobadix>I got a java-debian problem. I want to change a JTextField's keyboard layout overriding it's getInputContext()-method, but in Debian it doesn't work althoug i've installed the desired locale. What's wrong?
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22:35<mercutio22>Hi, I just moved a HD containing Debian to a desktop with a GPU connected to a monitor via HDMI cable. I am not getting audio in the TV monitor... HOw could I fix that?
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22:39<mercutio22>should I reinstall ALSA?
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23:04<Hems>hi all
23:05<Hems>i have installed sidux 2010 kde version. I have konqueror and iceweasel. Please can you tell me how to install flash player for playing online videos? I tried GNASH and KLASH but it wouldnt get installed in apt-get.
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23:09<franki^>!sidux
23:09<dpkg>methinks sidux is a live distribution <based on Debian> Sid, with a special focus on clean and easy hard disk installation. It is off-topic in #debian. Please /join #sidux on irc.oftc.net.
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23:10<franki^>But, you can get the non-free Flash plug-in from the nonfree repository
23:10<Hems>ok alright thanks..
23:10<franki^>Although, I'm not sure about its state on amd64 at the moment
23:10<Hems>ok
23:10<franki^>Because Adobe removed support
23:10*franki^ shrugs
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23:28<noobadix>Can anyone explain me how to set swedish keyboard layout? I did dpkg-reconfigure locale and selected sv_SE.UTF8 and wanted set it with loadkeys but the file for swedish is not in /usr/share/keymaps/i386/
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23:34<Loco>someone tell me one good chanel of PHP or phyton... please!!!
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23:42<Loco>Please!!! someone tell me one good chanel of PHP or phyton???
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