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---Logopened Tue Aug 03 00:00:27 2010
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00:11<wist>hah! is sweet :)
00:11*wist drools
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00:19<zackmorris>someone would u help me
00:20<zackmorris>quiero que alguien me ayude
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00:22<reisio>zackmorris: speak
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00:23<kamaraju> How can I find out which gfortran version is used to produce /usr/lib/lapack/ in the package liblapack3gf 3.2.1-8 on i386 Debian testing machine.
00:24<reisio>zackmorris: ?
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00:55<twb>How do I list packages that are kept installed by the same dependency?
00:55<twb>e.g. when foo Depends: editor, and I have both nano and vim installed, how do I find out that nano can be removed?
00:56<jpinx>twb: dunno the fancy way - but if it was me I'd aptitude purge -s nano and see what it tells me it wwants to do
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00:57<twb>jpinx: I want to do this for *all* packages, not a specific package that's known in advance.
00:57<jpinx>twb - ouch
00:58<twb>The specific case I'm looking at right now is $customer has forced me to install Sun Java, so I want to at least remove all the other Java packages (from OpenJDK/IcedTea/whatever) that OpenOffice is keeping installed by means of a bunch of "I need <any JRE>" dependencies
00:58<twb>I'm currently just going through the entire java and interpreters sections, but this is tedious
00:58<jm_>twb: possinly look at provides: field
00:59<jpinx>it must be - but my expertise ran out and I'd end up doing the same as you :(
01:00<twb>jm_: and ?source-package, though both are still a bit tedious
01:00<twb>Also, is there a way to do "aptitude why" from within aptitude's GUI?
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01:02<twb>Bloody sun java
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01:19<_efc>Good morning, It's recommend to install updates automatic or should I rather install updates myself?
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01:20<dpkg>[update] aptitude update, grabs the Packages.gz files from their sources and refreshes the available packages. Use before an aptitude upgrade or before looking for stuff with apt-cache search.
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01:22<_efc>I mean can happen anything if I copy a .sh to cron.daily which includes aptitude install update && aptitude safe-upgrade -y && aptitude clean
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01:22<_efc>sorry one install too much
01:22<_efc>aptitude update;
01:23<jpinx>_efc: there is an automatic update - but I can't remember the syntax/method
01:23<jpinx>man aptitude might help you
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01:23<_efc>But it isn't recommend, right?
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01:24<jpinx>it's security only afair
01:24<jm_>!auto update
01:24<dpkg>Various updaters and notifiers are available within Debian that will tell you when new packages are available and optionally download and install them for you. For unattended, scriptable updates using cron, have a look at <cron-apt>. For desktop notification, try update-notifier or ask me about <apt-watch>.
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01:25<jpinx>yea - that :)
01:27<imperia>how do i stop make-kpkg from building my kernel and modules with debuginfo?
01:28<_efc>Okay you're right, I will install updates manually for except issues.
01:28<ansgar>jpinx: There is also unattended-upgrades for automatic installation of (only) security upgrades
01:28<jpinx>ansgar: ok - thanks
01:28<jpinx>I'll try to remember the name ;)
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02:00<dechen>hi, I am using debian lenny with kernel 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 from lenny-backports. lspci says my ethernet card is 04:00.0 Ethernet controller: Marvell Technology Group Ltd. Device 4381 (rev 11) . But it is not even recognized. How can i configure it?
02:00<jm_>!which driver
02:00<dpkg>To work out what module you need to load for your PCI card, try pasting the output from "lspci -n" into . To determine the driver currently associated with an Ethernet interface, ask me about <which ethernet module>. To show the video driver used by your X server: grep Load.*mod.*driv /var/log/Xorg.0.log
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02:04<dechen> says i need the sky2 driver which is in kernel 2.6.33. do we have 2.6.33 in lenny-backports?
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02:12<r0ger>i recently installed bigmem kernel from testing and i tried to install virtualbox and the kernel modules couldn't compile.. i'm pretty sure i have all the kernel stuff installed (headers and what not) but i might be missing something.. has anyone else installed vbox on a bigmem kernel?
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02:20<jm_>r0ger: what's the error you get?
02:20<jm_>judd kernels
02:20<judd>Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.35-rc6-686 (2.6.35~rc6-1~experimental.1); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-18); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-15); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-15~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-24); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2)
02:20<jm_>so apparently not
02:20<r0ger>1 sec lemme open the log again
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02:21<gsimmons>dechen: AFAIK, you'll need to use 2.6.35-rc6 from experimental for support of the 88E8059 at this time.
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02:23<r0ger>i'm wary about doing that as i JUST had this kernel installed today due to a memory upgrade
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02:24<twb>What's an 88E8059?
02:24<jm_>r0ger: this tells me it doesn't find the headers - what does 'ls -l /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build' say?
02:25<gsimmons>dpkg: tell twb -about 88E8059
02:26<twb>Glad I didn't get the HP "business netbook", then
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02:27<dechen>the sony vaio ethernet cards seem to be problems all the time
02:28<r0ger>lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 42 Aug 2 19:14 /lib/modules/2.6.32-5-686-bigmem/build -> /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.32-5-686-bigmem
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02:31<jm_>ok so that looks good - and in that dir you see include/config/auto.conf file?
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02:33<r0ger>-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 83666 May 31 23:58 /lib/modules/2.6.32-5-686-bigmem/build/include/config/auto.conf
02:34<jm_>interesting, check if it's building against that kernel
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02:35<r0ger>make KBUILD_VERBOSE=1 -C /lib/modules/2.6.32-5-686-bigmem/build SUBDIRS=/tmp/vbox.1 SRCROOT=/tmp/vbox.1 modules
02:35<r0ger>make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.32-5-686-bigmem'
02:35<r0ger>2.2 gave a different error than 3.1
02:36<r0ger>well i assume this is 3.1
02:36<jm_>hmm in that case I am out of ideas - I would need to test it here but I use amd64 nowadays
02:36<dechen>2.6.35-rc6 from experimental made it work. thanks jm_ and gsimmons :)
02:39<r0ger>hmm lemme try something
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02:56<r0ger>Messages emitted during module compilation will be logged to /var/log/vbox-install.log.
02:56<r0ger>Starting VirtualBox kernel module:done..
02:56<r0ger>needed dkms
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02:57<r0ger>installed dkms, updated && safe-upgraded and installed and the modules compiled fine
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03:03<jm_>r0ger: ahh crap, now I remember I also had issues building it with m-a, but it works with dkms, sorry
03:03<jm_>it was a while ago ;)
03:03<r0ger>all good
03:03<r0ger>i read about it alot but it was never listed as a requirement
03:03<r0ger>but i figured i'd try it anyway
03:03<jm_>!info virtualbox-ose lenny-backports
03:05<jm_>waiting for 3.2.6 to hit backports - it finally solves the suspend VM to disk issue
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03:17<sdaugherty>Yay. got this old beast running again.
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03:19<sdaugherty>Now I just need to find a type 5c keyboard that's not missing keys and I'll be happy.
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03:27<Monck>Âñåì ïðèâåò.
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03:30<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ or use English here.
03:31<dbldtx>Za Debian!
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03:40<Monck>Êòîíèáóäü ñòàëêèâàëñÿ ñ Nagios è snmp ?
03:41<_efc>I scanned my PC with rkhunter and there was xzibit rootkit listed at possible rootkits,
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03:41<_efc>what I have to do to fix this issue?
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03:54<v0id>im trying to install debian on my asus eepc
03:55<v0id>701SD (8GB)
03:55<v0id>i have the ISO of the dvd burnt onto the USB, when booting from it
03:55<v0id>i get a cd-rom error
03:55<mefistofel>hi all
03:55<v0id>can any1 help regrding that?
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03:58<_efc> use dd
03:58<arthurl>_efc, weird the detailled log contradicts the summary
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03:58<v0id>i have that image too
03:58<v0id>but im on a 4GB cap
03:58<v0id>and its a pain to download ;(
03:59<v0id>i have its ISO tho
03:59<arthurl>_efc, try and find info on the xibiz rootkit and check your system
03:59<_efc>v0id, you still ahve the iso?
03:59<arthurl>_efc, but might be a false positive
03:59<_efc>arthurl, I can also post the /var/log/rkhunter.log
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04:00<mefistofel>is anybody there
04:00<_efc>dd if=/path_to_iso of=/dev/xxx -->xxx your usb stick
04:01<_efc>you also have to install syslinux on stick
04:01<mefistofel>it's not good
04:01<v0id>i tried with unetbootin
04:02<mefistofel>i need help
04:02<_efc>v0id, sorry I dont konow this tool
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04:02<_efc>mefistofel, ask a question or nobody will help you
04:02<_efc>never say I have a question :P
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04:04<_efc>v0id, you use windows or linux to create the stick
04:04<_efc>or os x
04:05<v0id>win 7 to be exact
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04:06<_efc>google:live usb creator, first result, I heard this should work fine.
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04:09<v0id>_efc, thanks ;)
04:09<v0id> <-- this seems dead
04:11<_efc>no it works
04:11<_efc>try this;
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04:12<v0id>thanks again
04:12<_efc>if it wont work , the site is hosted on windows :P
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04:16<_efc>ah the server runs on linux but their location is in france...
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04:16<v0id>im at work atm, and my netbook is at home along with the ISO..
04:16<v0id>so, i'll bug you later when i get home :P
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04:18<_efc>do you have a jabber acc?
04:18<v0id>hmm no, only gtalk
04:18<_efc>or write an mail
04:19<v0id>damn this creator is slick :D
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04:19<v0id>i was gonna install jolicloud after countless battles with debian -,- but think you saved me lol
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04:19<v0id>i have debian on my pc with it
04:20<_efc>I have win7 ultimate x64 too...because I get it free from work...But it's still in the cd cover because I never would use windows again..Multiboot with Debian and Gentoo ftw...
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04:21<_efc>where 're you from?
04:22<_efc>because i dont know when it's evening at you :P
04:22<v0id>Middle East
04:22<_efc>me <--10:23 am
04:22<v0id>its 11:25 AM atm here
04:22<v0id>1 hour diff
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04:23<_efc>I dont know I will move from here^^
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04:39<millwallfc>Can I use kernel 2.6.35. with debian testing. Currently I run kernel 2.6.32-5-686
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04:40<dpkg>TIAS is "Try It And See".
04:42<millwallfc>somebody tried it :P?
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05:16<randy>Hello.could anyone tell me how to use sudo in debian ,I don't want to use root
05:17<s_i_m>randy, read the manual, run visudo, use.
05:18<randy>but debian don't have sudo
05:19<the-dude>randy: install it
05:19<s_i_m>apt-get install sudo
05:19<randy>then how to cancel root
05:19<s_i_m>do no do that
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05:21<randy>s_i_m, why?
05:21<randy>not cnacel root ,sudo what is it usr for?
05:21<locklace>!tell randy about grounding
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05:22<s_i_m>randy: well, you should better start with something less invasive for now.
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05:23<randy>I'm sorry ,I have use ubutnu for a lot time
05:23<randy>I just want to use sudo like ubuntu
05:24<randy>And my English is not well
05:25<s_i_m>do you understand that sudo configured like it is done in ubuntu is potentially more dangerous than having root login enabled?
05:25<s_i_m>for sure, you do not...
05:26<s_i_m>but if you like it, you can have it, it is up to you.
05:26<randy>But I think sudo is more safe
05:26<randy>IN China ,everyone said
05:26<randy>root is too power
05:26<randy>can rm / easily
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05:28<locklace>good thing we have china to tell us these things
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05:30<randy>locklace, I wish debianer can translte some doc
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05:31<randy>Before UCA,Chinese believe use sudo is better than use root
05:32<randy>After UCA,many people believe
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05:33<randy>But , what is the problem use sudo?
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05:34<randy>!tell me sudo
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05:38<smv>!tell randy about_ selftell
05:38<smv>!tell randy about- selftell
05:38<smv>!tell randy -about selftell
05:38<locklace>!coffee smv
05:38*dpkg decants a fine brew of organic, fair trade Peruvian for smv, courtesy of locklace
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05:39<smv>locklace, thanks. guess i do need it :))
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05:41<randy>I‘m sorry
05:41<YEPI>Hello ! I was installed debian 5.0 day go . System doesnt detect my Marvell Yukon . I choose no ethernet card . Now i don't have internet :( Looking for help
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05:43<locklace>!tell YEPI about kmuto
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05:47<twb>!tell randy about RBAC
05:47<twb>Hmph, dpkg is dumb.
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05:49<randy>twb:dpkg don't tell me about RBAC
05:50<twb>randy: role-based access control (RBAC) is a flavour of mandatory access control (MAC). It means that instead of every admin having root access, they have only the access they need.
05:50<twb>e.g. the printer admin isn't allowed to mess with the email system.
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05:52<randy>twb, it can use in debian?
05:53<twb>Not out-of-the-box
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05:53<twb>You want to look into "grsecurity" and other linux security modules (LSMs)
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05:56<Lantizia>hey I'm trying to prove something wasn't an issue for debian etch - anyone know where I can still find an etch repo?
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05:57<jm_>Lantizia: no, only people who read the topic
05:57<locklace>dpkg: RBAC is <reply>Role-Based Access Control (RBAC) is a flavour of mandatory access control (MAC). It means that instead of every admin having root access, they have only the access they need.
05:57<dpkg>okay, locklace
05:57<twb>Ah, I thought only ops could feed the infobot
05:57<randy>I can find LSMs in wiki
05:57<Lantizia>jm_, I realise it's no longer in the mirrors - that is why I'm here
05:58<Lantizia>s_i_m, thanks
05:58<randy>I can't find LSMs in wiki
05:59<twb>randy: in
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06:00<randy>In China,wike stand for wikipedia often,I'm sorry
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06:24<grimnar>Im about to install debian on a Intel core2duo computer, should I go for amd64 or the regular i386?
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06:25<s_i_m>grimnar, it depends. for the start, how much RAM do you have?
06:25<ffws>grimnar: depends on many things, for example your amount of ram
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06:26<grimnar>Yeah, I don't have a lot of ram right now
06:26<jonathan>en español
06:26<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat
06:26<s_i_m>grimnar, if it is under 2 Gb, go for i386
06:27<jonathan>como hablo con gente
06:27<grimnar>But will the i386 take advantage of the cores then?
06:27<locklace>grimnar: there's no real reason to go i386 these days if you have an x86_64 cpu
06:27<jonathan>en español
06:27<s_i_m>grimnar, yes, it will use 2 cores.
06:27<locklace>!es-social jonathan
06:27<dpkg>jonathan: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador por favor ingresa al canal social de #debian-es con /join #debian-es-cachondeo. Tus amigos probablemente ya esten ahi.
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06:27<locklace>!es-social flores
06:27<dpkg>flores: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador por favor ingresa al canal social de #debian-es con /join #debian-es-cachondeo. Tus amigos probablemente ya esten ahi.
06:28<grimnar>And I should have no problems with the different programs Im using?
06:28<locklace>grimnar: just about everything works fine these days. except flash, i guess
06:28<s_i_m>actually, you will have less problems.
06:28<flores>and i should have no problems with the different programs im using?
06:29<grimnar>This is going to be some kind of server
06:29<locklace>!slap flores
06:29*dpkg strikes a resounding *THWAP* across flores's face
06:29<grimnar>So flash is not going to be used
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06:29<locklace>grimnar: go with amd64 then
06:29<locklace>no reason not to
06:29<grimnar>Yeah, just making sure
06:29<s_i_m>heh, this is like a broken phone.
06:29<locklace>welcome to spain
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06:30<s_i_m>i would still not recommend installing 64bit on a machine with low amount of RAM.
06:31<s_i_m>there is no benefit.
06:31<locklace>the benefit is that you're actually using the capabilities of your cpu
06:31<grimnar>and I could always buy more ram
06:32<grimnar>And how about a complete mail solution?
06:32<grimnar>Web frontend and such
06:32<grimnar>Im using vexim right now, and its really a pain in the a**
06:32<locklace>define "complete mail solution"
06:32<locklace>preferably using terms that don't reek of lameness
06:32<s_i_m>locklace, please tell us what capabilities you mean.
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06:33<grimnar>locklace: web admin, spamassassin, easy to backup, works well with debian, virtual domains
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06:34<locklace>s_i_m: 64-bit registers
06:34<locklace>grimnar: you can install whatever packages you want, debian has everything
06:34<twb>ALMOST everything
06:35<ffws>64bit is not faster in all situations, it even may be slower
06:35<twb>It tends not to ship, for example, djb's code.
06:35<s_i_m>locklace, in most software you do not need 64bit.
06:35<locklace>twb: i can sympathise with that
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06:36<s_i_m>there is a very minor gain in passing function args, however
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06:37<cyrillic>mysql is supposed to be 64-bit internally
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06:38<cyrillic>hey, anyone knows why debian is sticking with 2.6.32 for so long?
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06:38<weasel>because it's a long-term maintenance kernel upstream
06:38<s_i_m>because it is planned for squeeze
06:38<weasel>and a lot of distros are using it
06:40<grimnar>I have a debian64 going right now, and it's using a trunk kernel, and I cannot find a new kernel?
06:40<grimnar>2.6.32-trunk or something
06:40<grimnar>Is this correct?
06:40<s_i_m>i see
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06:40<weasel>grimnar: that's a quite old version of the debian 32 kernel (one that came to sid/testing by mistake)
06:40<s_i_m>that was due to a mistake of the maintainers
06:41<weasel>grimnar: you might want to install a newer 2.6.32 kernel image
06:41<s_i_m>you should manually install a newer one
06:41<grimnar>But Im betting Im out of dvd/cd's now.
06:42<grimnar>This was some old random dvd with debian 64 on it
06:42<s_i_m>what is the problem, you are on the internet, are not you?
06:44<weasel>and you're on squeeze?
06:44<s_i_m>i am on sid
06:44<weasel>paste the output of dpkg --get-selections | grep linux-image to
06:44<grimnar>No, lenny
06:45<weasel>(lenny doesn't have a 2.6.32)
06:45<weasel>still, paste the output
06:45<grimnar>ok, Im on my mac right now, the server is shutdown and upstairs give me some minutes :)
06:45<grimnar>I need to bring my coffee and such
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06:47<grimnar>Im using squeeze on my current server, and I got a lot of hazzle for running squeeze on a "mini-production" server in the past here, so I going for lenny now :)
06:47<s_i_m>people never learn :)
06:48<twb>"occasionally breaks" vs. "doesn't work at all"
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06:48<cyrillic>why doesn't 2.6.34 enter unstable then?
06:48<smv>grimnar, now, if you use squeeze don't say you use lenny just to don't "get hazzle"...
06:49<grimnar>smv: Its that and the grub situation
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06:49<grimnar>smv: grub has really fucked me up sometimes this year
06:49<s_i_m>cyrillic, check experimental
06:50<grimnar>smv: Sure, Its probably my fault, but still
06:50<cyrillic>i know, but that breaks to often
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06:50<smv>for what is worth, i'm using sid and hod lots of problems with grub and kernel, but still don't see the point in saying you use lenny if you use squeeze
06:51<twb>EVERY DAY I'm glad I dropped grub from my systems
06:51<grimnar>smv: I've been running testing since day 2006 or something, never had any problems except grub this year
06:51<s_i_m>well, that was grub2 I guess
06:52<s_i_m>grub-legacy working fine here
06:52<cyrillic>i just need a network driver from .24, and i'm sick of patching/compiling :(
06:52<locklace>i've had zero problems with grub. but every day i'm glad i haven't prematurely switched to grub2
06:52<cyrillic>i went from ubuntu to debian, and lilo is so much more stable
06:53<cyrillic>if you run lvm on software raid it's a must ^.^
06:54<s_i_m>and still there was a movement to get rid of lilo altogether... some maintainers are not enough adequate, imo.
06:54<smv>cyrillic, which debian version, and wich kernel do you have?
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06:55<twb>grub caused me problems in the field when the first disk in a SATA array fails, and the BIOS *might* boot the second disk as (hd0), or it might boot is as (hd1)
06:55<twb>grub legacy, I mean
06:55<twb>grub2's problems are so numerous I won't even bother
06:56<twb>I use extlinux and it just bloody works
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06:56<grimnar>how about ext3 vs ext4, what to choose?
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06:56<twb>If you have to ask, use ext3
06:58<smv>grimnar, or just use ext4 :))
06:58<twb>Which might sound like a good idea until you find your normal recovery CDs don't speak ext4 yet, so you waste an hour on site trying to download and burn a new one
06:59<grimnar>twb: I dont have any recovery cds :D
06:59<grimnar>Never had
06:59<cyrillic>i run 'testing' @ 2.6.32
06:59<twb>Well, whatever the hell you use
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07:00<grimnar>twb: reboot, folded hands, and a little prayer has done me good so far.
07:01<twb>Then you're bloody lucky
07:01<grimnar>yeah, only grub* got me some times
07:02<smv>cyrillic, which 2.6.32? be precise please
07:03<twb>(Nowadays I ship a live image in /boot as a boot option, so even if the root filesystem is buggered I can do some cleanup without media dancing.)
07:03<twb>(Thanks, Debian-Live!)
07:03<cyrillic>2.6.32-9 currently
07:04<Vivek>cyrillic: Was that for me ?
07:04<cyrillic>which is kinda old i guess
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07:04<Vivek>How do i apt-get the 2.6.27 ?
07:04<grimnar>twb: and grub* is the reason why Im doing this as well, the current server refuses to boot in the new kernel (the new kernel does not show up in the boot menu)
07:04<cyrillic>if it still exists...
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07:05<smv>.versions kernel
07:05<smv>,versions kernel
07:05<judd>Sorry, no package named 'kernel' was found.
07:05<smv>,versions linux-image
07:05<judd>Sorry, no package named 'linux-image' was found.
07:05<cyrillic>,versions linux-image-2.6
07:05<judd>Sorry, no package named 'linux-image-2.6' was found.
07:05<cyrillic>,versions linux-image-2.6-amd64
07:05<judd>linux-image-2.6-amd64 -- etch: 2.6.18+6etch3; etch-security: 2.6.18+6etch3; etch-backports: 2.6.26+17~bpo40+2; lenny: 2.6.26+17+lenny1; lenny-backports: 2.6.32+27~bpo50+1; sid: 2.6.32+28; squeeze: 2.6.32+28
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07:06<dpkg>thanks, smv. It's good to be back.
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07:07<smv>cyrillic, i suppose you could/should update your kernel?
07:08<cyrillic>nah, driver is not even in 2.6.32 upstream
07:08<Vivek>cyrillic: Which package am I supposed to install ?
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07:10<cyrillic>Vivek: depends, but 2.6.27 is not there anymore
07:10<Vivek>So then how to upgrade from stable to testing ?
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07:12<smv>cyrillic, which driver?
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07:12<cyrillic>sky2 ethernet driver
07:12<cyrillic>Vivek: try
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07:12<cyrillic>has been useless until december
07:13<cyrillic>recent versions work ok
07:13<cyrillic>2.6.32 still uses v1.26 and 2.6.25 is already on v1.28
07:13<cyrillic>2.6.35 of course
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07:14<cyrillic>i backported v1.27 to 2.6.32, which has been stable
07:14<Vivek>cyrillic: Please give me the name of the complete debian package so that I can just do an apt-get install :)
07:15<Vivek>cyrillic: Thanks in advance.
07:15<cyrillic>Vivek: that's not really how it works, do you only want the kernel from Testing?
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07:16<Vivek>cyrillic: That would be ideal right ?
07:16<Vivek>cyrillic: SInce I am going to use testing once I upgrade from stable to testing.
07:17<cyrillic>Vivek: there is no such package
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07:18<cyrillic>Vivek: so you can just follow the steps from the link i gave
07:18<cyrillic>and everything will update at once
07:20<cyrillic>squeeze = testing, btw
07:20<Vivek>cyrillic: ok
07:22<Vivek>cyrillic: And that will not break anything ?
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07:23<Vivek>cyrillic: I am not in a mood of play around tried upgrading twice from lenny to squeeze over the last 24 hours and a bit pissed off :)
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07:26<icebrain>I wasn't here from the start of the conversation, but if you need 2.6.32, it's in backports
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07:36<cyrillic>it could always break something...
07:37<grimnar>this is the correct place to fetch a lenny amd64 iso right?
07:37<cyrillic>if there is not something specific you need (that is not in backport) don't upgrade, it takes a lot of time
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07:39<d0h>!tell vivek about lenny->squeeze
07:40<cyrillic>!tell cyrillic about lenny->squeeze
07:41<andrew12>!tell andrew12 about lenny->squeeze
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07:42<cyrillic>that bot is something :)
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07:44<locklace>!tell cyrillic about selftell
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07:44<slush>grimnar: "These images will install the testing version of Debian, currently Squeeze."
07:45<cyrillic>yeah found it out already, thanks
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07:45<slush>grimnar: also *read*
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07:47<grimnar>Anyone remember the syntax for higher res in the install?
07:47<grimnar>*during the install
07:47<cyrillic>like the vga table?
07:47<grimnar>vga= something
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07:48<grimnar>Im on 23" 1900x1200 screen :D
07:48<grimnar>480x640 = not good
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07:49<cyrillic> has a nice overview
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07:50<grimnar>1900x1200 is not mentioned :D
07:50<cyrillic>icrement by 2? :p
07:52<grimnar>1600x1200 will have to do later
07:52<grimnar>I just went with the normal
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07:52<grimnar>huge pixels
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07:53<cyrillic>better use a framebuffer if you plan sticking with it
07:53<cyrillic>scrolling is really slow in vesa mode
07:53<twb>Those codes are VESA modes. VESA only defined 4:3 geometries.
07:53<twb>If you want 1900x1200, use a KMS module
07:53<grimnar>Its not that critical
07:54<grimnar>But the ext3/ext4 question is still there! :D
07:54<twb>grimnar: you've already an answer to that.
07:54<grimnar>And Im there now in the setup
07:55<grimnar>Why am I unsure then?
07:55<twb>Maybe you don't know how to listen
07:56<grimnar>Ok, I went for ext3
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07:59<Vivek>cyrillic: Thanks
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08:05<Vivek>cyrillic: I got that message from dpkg
08:06<Vivek>cyrillic: I am not sure what that script does exactly.
08:06*Vivek thinks if he should run something he does not understand.
08:06<cyrillic>whats the message?
08:07<cyrillic>ext4 is nice for large storage disks with big files
08:07<Vivek>cyrillic: ?
08:07<Vivek>!tell cyrillic about lenny->squeeze
08:08<Vivek>That one.
08:08<Vivek>I got the sed part of it
08:08<Vivek>cyrillic: aptitude linux-image-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,'` ;
08:09<cyrillic>it updates your kernel i guess
08:09<Vivek>What does thos part of the script do
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08:10<cyrillic>try entering the piece in backquotes in the console
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08:10<jm_>it doesn't do anything other than report a usage error
08:11<cyrillic>oh you copied it wrong
08:11<cyrillic>it says aptitude install `blabla`
08:12<Vivek>wisdom:/etc/apt# cat `uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,'`
08:12<Vivek>cat: amd64: No such file or directory
08:12<Vivek>yea basically outputs the architecture
08:12<cyrillic>well to be exact, it installs the current kernel again, probably to update the boot information
08:12<Vivek>I don't want to break the installation once more
08:13<Vivek>did it twice within the last 24 hours
08:13<cyrillic>how did you go back to lenny then?
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08:14<Vivek>I don't want to go back to lenny
08:14<Vivek>I had to reinstall using the netinstall twice :)
08:14<Vivek>Stable netinstall ISO image
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08:14<cyrillic>d'oh, you should have download the Squeeze .iso
08:14<cyrillic>then you would already be done :)
08:15<Vivek>Is the squeeze ISO ?
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08:15<Vivek>A Net install one, then please provide me the URL
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08:15<Vivek>I want to keep the ISO image small and don't mind updating the OS over the net,
08:16<grimnar>I just posted a link for netinst amd64
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08:16<grimnar>I like the daily builds :D
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08:18*grimnar is finished with his amd64 netinst
08:18<cyrillic>i prefer USB install (UNetbootin)
08:18<cyrillic>anyone ever tried
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08:19<Vivek>grimnar: Thanks for that, I think that will save all the pain
08:19<Vivek>I am downloading the testing ISO.
08:19<Vivek>grimnar: The netinstall one.
08:19<grimnar> holy shit, first time EVER the sound is working out of the box!
08:20<Vivek>btw, which is the best CD/DVD writing software on a default Lenny
08:20<cyrillic>lol, somehow it's always on mute
08:20<Vivek>Just need to write that image on DVD RW
08:21<grimnar>hah, and the graphics are working as well, KDE looking good.
08:21<grimnar>And I have a ATI card
08:21<grimnar>This is strange
08:22<Vivek>grimnar: Sound works out of the box in KDE for me on Debian Lenny
08:22<Vivek>This is a HP Pavilion DV 3000 Laptop
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08:22<cyrillic>can't stop the future ;)
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08:22<austinium>hi, i am trying to run Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 5100 AGN [Shiloh] on lenny (kernel 2.6.22) it possible? or wud i need a newer kernel?
08:23<austinium>i have tried copying intel's firmware file into /lib/firmware ... no go
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08:24<Vivek>cyrillic: Which is the DVD writing software that comes by default in Lenny ?
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08:25<Vivek>I am downloading, the net install ISO and would like to write it to a DVD RW.
08:25<cyrillic>Vivek: don't know, i just do servers (console stuff)
08:25<jm_>!tell austinium about iwl5100
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08:26<hbbs>Vivek, if you're on gnome, you can burn cds right out of nautilus
08:26<cyrillic>Vivek, also brasero sounds familiar
08:27<Vivek>hbbs: I am on gnome.
08:28<hbbs>Vivek, click on "places in the panel
08:28<hbbs>there should be an entry like "create Cd" or something like that
08:29<Vivek>hbbs: I just saw that, Thanks
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08:30<hbbs>I've got a problem with mount / fstab
08:30<austinium>jm_: so theres no way intel 5100s working without moving to a newer kernel than 2.6.22?
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08:30<hbbs>I added the following to /etc/fstab :
08:30<hbbs>/dev/sda5 /mnt/d ntfs auto,nouser,sync,rw,noexec 0 0
08:31<jm_>austinium: apparently so yes
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08:31<hbbs>the partition gets mounted during startup, but only root can access it
08:31<austinium>thanks jm_
08:31<jm_>hbbs: you can specify uid/gid/umask options to let users read it
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08:32<hbbs>ijm, where can I do that?
08:32<jm_>hbbs: in fstab
08:32<jm_>!user accessible ntfs
08:32<dpkg>To get an NTFS or VFAT file system accessible by users and groups on the local machine, man mount; man 5 fstab; and read about the umask, fmask, dmask, uid, and gid options. You'll end up sticking something like conv=auto,uid=<user>,gid=<group>,dmask=0002,fmask=0003 into your fstab's mount option field.
08:32<jm_>see that
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08:33<hbbs>jm_, dpkg, thanks, will try
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08:41<hbbs>dpkg, what does conv=auto do?
08:41<dpkg>bugger all, i dunno, hbbs
08:42<nIRV_>hey anyone here would have five-ten minutes of free time to help an ngo getting its 60 computers network to work properly running debian? :)
08:42<hbbs>did not know that the mount manpage is that long
08:42<jm_>hbbs: man mount, it's explained there
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08:42<cyrillic>only for root access
08:42<hbbs>jm_, haven't found the conv option yet...
08:43<jm_>I'd rather not use conv=auto
08:43<jm_>hbbs: it's under Mount options for fat
08:43<hbbs>just tell me what it does :-9
08:43<locklace>nIRV_: you're better off asking specific questions
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08:43<nIRV_>locklace, I shall right away
08:44<hbbs>jm_, I see
08:44<cyrillic>short filenames prob ^.^
08:44<nIRV_>our +/- 60 computers were mostly XP machines. We decided to do a move to linux using debian (a mixture of debian lenny and ubuntu lynx).
08:45<nIRV_>the initial migration went fine, then all of a second all of our linux machine began to timeout on http connections
08:46<nIRV_>that is, on all browsers, http connections will mostly time out, while ftp connections (or other types of internet protocols) are not affected
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08:46<nIRV_>I've tried disabling ipv6 from within the kernel, tried three different routers, result is the same
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08:46<cyrillic>probably dns issues
08:46<locklace>nIRV_: how about with something like wget
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08:47<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, slow is ask me about <dma> or <nsswitch>. See also <qotd247>.
08:47<nIRV_>machines running linux will timeout, while same machine booting in windows will behave properly. similarly, for the few remaining computers not yet on linux, network is fine.
08:47<deavid>i've conected my phone to my computer and it appears as a csm modem, but i want this time to transfer files instead ¿does anyone know how to change the usb mode or something?
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08:47<nIRV_>locklace, I haven't tried wget but apt-get is timing out too
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08:48<locklace>nIRV_: try just doing some dns lookups with dig/nslookup, see how fast they come back
08:48<deavid> <- that's dmesg when i plug the device
08:49<hbbs>nIRV_, could be a problem with network drivers - either the wrong module is loaded or there is some specific/ closed firmaware missing
08:49<nIRV_>I'm really puzzled. I've tried disabling ipv6, tried changing DNS to google's, tried fixed IP vs dhcp, nothing is working
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08:49<locklace>nIRV_: also check the contents of /etc/resolv.conf and the output of "grep hosts /etc/nsswitch.conf"
08:49<hbbs>nIRV, can you ssh out?
08:49<locklace>hbbs: extremely unlikely if the problem is only with http
08:49<nIRV_>locklace, if I try ping, ip comes very very fast. if I try to open on a browser, it'll time out.
08:50<hbbs>locklace, on thinkpad r52 I had a quite similar issue with tg3
08:50<nIRV_>locklace, I've checked content of /etc/resolv.conf, problem not there
08:50<locklace>nIRV_: try opening a direct connection to port 80 with telnet/nc and doing a manual GET
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08:50<jm_>or simply try HEAD
08:51<nIRV_>hbbs, all computers (with different network cards & drivers) are displaying same symptoms, making me think problem isn't driver related
08:51<nIRV_>that, plus I've tried ubuntu 10.04, ubuntu 10.10, debian lenny, and results are all the same
08:51<hbbs>nIRV, I see
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08:52<nIRV_>locklace, I've tried connecting to port 80 with telnet, and it appears to time out too
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08:52<locklace>nIRV_: time out how
08:52<nIRV_>no data coming ni
08:52<locklace>the connection itself, or the response back
08:53<nIRV_>locklace, hrm, I dont want to answer as I can't remember, but I'd say the response
08:53<locklace>what exactly happens if you "telnet 80" and enter "GET /"
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08:54<cyrillic>maybe your browser tries to store it's cache on a read only mountpoint
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08:54<nIRV_>cyrillic, it doesn't appear to be a browser-related issue as I've tried with webkit-based browser (ephiphany) & firefox
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08:55<nIRV_>locklace, no data coming, eventually connection closes
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08:55<locklace>nIRV_: but the connection succeeds to begin with?
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08:56<nIRV_>I think so, but would swear on it (I'm back home, don't have access to the problematic machine atm)
08:56<nIRV_>locklace, what would that mean then?
08:56<locklace>please don't even bother asking for help if you are not in a position to actually do what's being asked of you
08:56<nIRV_>part of my problem is that I don't know how to further diagnose the issue ... pinging is fine, route -n too
08:57<nIRV_>locklace, sorry, I'm in Cambodia and timezone to actually get a responsive irc channel is pretty much night time over here
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08:57<s_i_m>nIRV_, your 60 hosts are behind a firewall?
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08:58<nIRV_>s_i_m, behind switches & a router (no firewall enabled there) ... the computers themselves don't have firewalls
08:59<nIRV_>one thing I did notice
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09:01<nIRV_>locklace, apologies for the apparent lost of time. was kind of hoping the symptoms would naturally lead to a problem but it doesn't seem so. thanks for the time you took. I'll try to connect when I'm at the office again.
09:03<hbbs>jm_, dpkg, I have the folowing options now:
09:03<hbbs>however I can still not write to the filesystem
09:03<s_i_m>hbbs, dpkg is a bot
09:04<hbbs>but still helpful :-9
09:04<jm_>write is a separate task, you only mentioned reading earlier
09:04<dpkg>If you want read/write access to NTFS filesystems, ask me about <ntfs-3g> or use ntfsmount from the ntfsprogs package (see also Debian bug #508982). See also <user accessible ntfs>.
09:04<hbbs>!user accessible ntfs
09:04<cyrillic>mount it using ntfs-3g, not ntfs
09:04<dpkg>To get an NTFS or VFAT file system accessible by users and groups on the local machine, man mount; man 5 fstab; and read about the umask, fmask, dmask, uid, and gid options. You'll end up sticking something like conv=auto,uid=<user>,gid=<group>,dmask=0002,fmask=0003 into your fstab's mount option field.
09:05<jm_>you already read that one earlier
09:05<locklace>nIRV_: it would be good to try the telnet test from both windows and linux boxes. it would be very odd if it yielded totally different results, assuming the devices are on the same subnet and all aspects of the network configuration (routers/cache-servers/firewalls) are the same
09:05<dpkg>rumour has it, ntfs-3g is a user-space NTFS driver with write support and good performance, packaged for Debian. Usage examples: . Ask me about <user accessible ntfs>.
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09:07<nIRV_>locklace, k, will try the telnet thing from one computer booting in windows & linux. As you said, one would expect the same result.
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09:08<nIRV_>hope this thing can be explained at one stage, otherwise I will have to conclude we're victims of some black voodoo magic. I´ve never seen such a bizarre problem.
09:08<hbbs>unknown filesystem type 'ntfs-3g' ...
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09:10<NoReflex>hello! I entered single user mode with init=/bin/bash to reset the root password. it says password changed succesfully but I can't reboot - it says connection refused :(
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09:10<locklace>NoReflex: try reboot -f
09:11<notrev>NoReflex, ctrl+alt+del
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09:12<NoReflex>locklace, reboot -f worked - thank you
09:13<dpkg>FUSE is a userspace filesystem framework, enabling mounting of various exotic filesystems like <ntfs-3g>, Samba shares, tar files, FTP sites etc. Included in the mainline Linux kernel at 2.6.14. For a FUSE filesystem list, see . ##fuse on
09:13<cyrillic>hbbs: probably need it
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09:17<hbbs>ntfs is marked to be in use... crap
09:17<petemc>you can force that
09:17<hbbs>yes i can. Atr my own responsibility :-9
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09:19<cyrillic>just put it in a windows pc
09:19<cyrillic>and unmount safely
09:19<cyrillic>or not :P
09:20<hbbs>cyrillic, of course. I sweared because windows was shutdown cleanly but is still to dump to unmount that drive autatically!
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09:21<cyrillic>Microsoft: penny saved=penny earned
09:22<hbbs>would not be that bad if it would boot and shutdown faster ;-)
09:22<s_i_m>hbbs, is that drive a usb pen?
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09:22<s_i_m>(i did not follow the discussion)
09:22<hbbs>s_i_m, no, partition on internal hd
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09:23<cyrillic>did you unmount the ntfs mount first? o.O
09:23<hbbs>I did
09:23<hbbs>machine did complain when booting
09:24<s_i_m>there is always an option of coping data out of it (if you can still read it) and then reformat
09:24<hbbs>can i format in ntfs under linux?
09:24<cyrillic>mounts stack, so maybe you have to unmount a few times in a row
09:24<cyrillic>if you tried a lot of things
09:24<hbbs>k, try that
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09:25<cyrillic>don't think you can format
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09:25<cyrillic>ntfs has a quite complex housekeeping
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09:26<hbbs>at least, it has file permissions
09:26<gsimmons>hbbs: You can use mkntfs from ntfsprogs.
09:26<s_i_m>cyrillic, you can
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09:27<cyrillic>cool, i guess it's been a while for me
09:27<hbbs> aptitude search mkntfs
09:27<hbbs>exits without any response
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09:27<cyrillic>aptitude search ntfsprogs
09:28<cyrillic>anyway, off to work, good luck!
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09:28<hbbs>thanks, cyrillic
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09:33<hbbs>ntfsfix did the trick
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09:39<TCW>François Févotte <> <- available via IRC?
09:39<TCW>Maintainer of exaile
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09:40<SARC2>i found (potentially) a bug in debconf-set-selections
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09:41<SARC2>if you set selections for mysql-server-5.0 they are set in /var/cache/debconf/config
09:42<SARC2>if you do an apt-get install mysql-server-5.0 the set-selections answers are used
09:42<SARC2>if you do an apt-get install mysql-server (which is, in effect, mysql-server-5.0) the answers in /var/cache/debconf/config are removed
09:43<SARC2>and the mysql-server-5.0 package does not use the proper set-selection answers
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09:43<SARC2>(I have replicated this several times)
09:44<SARC2>just wanted to see if anyone had any suggestions (other than "just use mysql-server-5.0") before i submit the bug report
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09:46<jordanm>SARC2: why is that option not acceptable?
09:46<jordanm>it seems like the sensible thing to do anyways
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09:47<SARC2>jordanm: this is going to a script that will be used and probably not updated
09:47<jordanm>SARC2: ALL scripts need to be maintained
09:48<SARC2>jordanm: apt-get install mysql-server pulls down mysql-server-5.0, does it not?
09:48<jordanm>SARC2: yes
09:49<SARC2>jordanm: and it should see and use the debconf-set-selections answers for mysql-server-5.0 in /var/cache/debconf/config, correct?
09:50<jordanm>SARC2: mysql-server? no, its not real, it only depends on mysql-server-5.0, which is why it gets pulled in. I would expect it to work like you expect it to work, but the work-around seems trivial to me
09:50<SARC2>then its a bug
09:50<SARC2>it shouldnt be removing answers from config
09:51<SARC2>no matter how the package is pulled down
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10:00<Lenhix>Hi guys. Is there a way to prevent mysqld from being started after I install mysql-server-5.0? I want to replace the my.cnf file before the service runs for the first time
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10:02<felixs>Lenhix: what would be wrong about stopping the server first and then replacing my.cnf?
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10:08<Lenhix>felixs: I have innodb_one_file_per_table and I know table files don't get re-created after restarting the server. I'd have to ALTER TABLE and some other stuff that I think I just can avoid by placing my own my.cnf before the service starts
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10:11<felixs>Lenhix: so the mysql server is already installed?
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10:15<Lenhix>felixs: no
10:16<Lenhix>I want to install the package but somehow avoid the startup script from being called. Also, I could try mod'ing the pkg (as a useful trick)
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10:17<felixs>then moving the /etc/rc$runlevel.d/SXYmysql file to /same/dir/K(100-XY)mysql (and stopping mysql) should do the trick
10:19<felixs>Lenhix: at least i see no reason why apt-get should start the server if it is disabled intentionally
10:19<Lenhix>felixs: apt-get is not the problem. The problem is that I don't know how to disable it intentionally yet XD
10:20<felixs>i bet theres some script which does the rcN.d management, but just moving the files manually should be fine
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10:23<Lenhix>uhm.. but as installation automatically starts the service, the init script wouldn't be availab... mmh, perhaps while assigning the password? no, that probably requires the service to be already started
10:25<felixs>what about stopping the server, moving /lib/mysql away, and move it back after installing ~-5.0?
10:25<felixs>/var/lib ...
10:25<ansgar>Lenhix: Initial setup is likely handled by the postist script. I think there is no easy way to stop dpkg from running those.
10:27<felixs>Lenhix: but it should be possible to unpack all files without running the *inst scripts. then its possible to edit them in time
10:27<ansgar>Lenhix: Maybe changing cnfiguration files, uninstalling (but not purging), removing the database files and reinstalling will do what you want. Or running the postinst script manually instead of the uninstall/reinstall part.
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10:28<s_i_m>there is --unpack option in dpkg
10:28<s_i_m>and also --configure
10:29<felixs>s_i_m: thanks. thats what i would have expected...
10:29<Lenhix>I thought about that.. but dunno when --configure is called
10:29<Lenhix>I also found this:
10:30<Lenhix>Seems I could modify the postinst script, hehe.., hacky
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10:30<dtcrshr>Hello! im installing debian 64 on a dell server, its a dell poweredge r610 with perc6i controller. In the install process I got asked for bnx2-09-4.0.4.fw what is it?
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10:30<IceGuest_75>Hello! im installing debian 64 on a dell server, its a dell poweredge r610 with perc6i controller. In the install process I got asked for bnx2-09-4.0.4.fw what is it?
10:31<felixs>Lenhix: if you want to go that far, it might be much easier to create a package from source (aot-get source mysql-server-5.0)
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10:31<s_i_m>Lenhix, felixs man page on dpkg has some info.
10:32<ansgar>!installer firmware
10:32<dpkg>Debian-Installer since Lenny is able to load additional <firmware>, by including it within installation media or supplying on removable media (e.g. USB stick, floppy). See and . To include firmware within Debian <netboot> images, see
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10:35<Lenhix>felixs: dunno if that's really necessary, but thanks
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10:48<marc2010ml>Anybody here?
10:49<dondelelcaro>marc2010ml: no
10:49<marc2010ml>ah ok
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10:50<dtcrshr>ansgar, can i install without adding this module required?
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10:52<ansgar>dtcrshr: If you can use all hardware that you need to install (storage, network) then you probably ignore the request for the firmware file. I don't know what it is for though.
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10:54<gsimmons>dtcrshr: It's required by a driver for support of your system's Ethernet controller ; /msg dpkg bnx2
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11:16<newbye>hi debianizzati
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11:17<newbye>may I ask a beginner question?
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11:17<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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11:18<newbye>what exactly does 'history | grep dump' commend on Debian? save an history for the current prompt af a file?
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11:21<kop>newbye: You'll find the answer in the docs pointed to by 'grounding' below.
11:21<dpkg>Before asking in here or on the <debian-user> mailing list, you should read the Installation Guide, or if you already have Debian installed, the Debian Reference. Ask me about <ig>, <reference>, <refcard>, <docs>, <manuals>, <fundamentals>, <newbiedoc>, <faq>, <unix lessons>, <general cli tutorial>. (e.g. in your IRC client, type /msg dpkg reference)
11:22<dpkg>Before asking in here or on the <debian-user> mailing list, you should read the Installation Guide, or if you already have Debian installed, the Debian Reference. Ask me about <ig>, <reference>, <refcard>, <docs>, <manuals>, <fundamentals>, <newbiedoc>, <faq>, <unix lessons>, <general cli tutorial>. (e.g. in your IRC client, type /msg dpkg reference)
11:23<kop>newbye: Type something like "/msg dpkg fundimentals"
11:24<newbye>nothing happens
11:25<kop>newbye: Your irc client is putting the result somewhere. What are you using?
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11:26<newbye>sorry. I can see where iis it, thanks
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11:26<kop>newbye: I've no clue. FWIW, you probably want "general cli tuitorial".
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11:26<newbye>ok, kop thanks. I got the help msg. Going to read the manuals. bye.
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11:31<assembler>anyone can help me with a problem installing lenny on a Compaq server with smart array 642?
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11:37<s_i_m>assembler, what is the problem exactly?
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11:38<assembler>i'm trying to install lenny 5.0.5 in a compaq server with an smart array 642. The installer ask me for a driver because it don't find any disk
11:39<Justin_A>assembler: you likely want to be using one of the lenny installers with the newer backported kernels
11:39<assembler>the cciss driver is loaded
11:39<assembler>and the disks correctly detected
11:39<smashie>Justin_A: the smart array is old
11:39<smashie>kmutos images wont help him
11:39<assembler>but ther is no entry in /dev for cciss
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11:40<Justin_A>oh? odd. does he just need to reconfigure his array perhaps?
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11:40<smashie>the point is the kernel reckons the driver, loads the module .. udev seems to be in place as well .. the device nodes are not created and creating them manually fails .. there is a stack trace in his dmesg log that might be related .. but I am not sure
11:40<assembler>sarge get installed perfectly, but not lenny (sorry for my english)
11:40<smashie>Justin_A: eithers its a kernel bug or a hardware issue, but since sarge installs fine I doubt the latter
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11:41<smashie>as I said, even retriggering the udev event for the block subsystem does not help .. the module is in place .. so is udev .. its really odd ..
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11:42<smashie>s_i_m: got any experience with smart arrays that might be of help?
11:43<s_i_m>not really
11:44<smashie>its not some unknown piece of hardware .. I wonder where all the experts are
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11:44<assembler>should I install sarge and update to etch and then to lenny? :S
11:45<meglaw>if you only have a sarge cd
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11:47<assembler>I could install sarge, but updating to etch I had problems. Because of it I would like to install lenny directly.
11:49<pavi> a n00b question : How do I install ubuntu packages on sid ? will it work if I get the source and build the package ?
11:49<pavi>what are the potential tool chain issues ? like glibc version etc
11:50<kop>assembler: I suspect that it's because there's non-free firmware involved, and no such distinction was made in etch. Check out the installation manual to see what it says.
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11:54<kop>!tell assembler about installer firmware
11:54<s_i_m>pavi, if a package has satisfiable build-deps in sid (i am pretty sure it has) there will be no problems.
11:54<assembler>kop: what? where?
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12:03<assembler>what manual should I check, kop?
12:04<kop>assembler: The factoid says:
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12:07<dtcrshr>thanks gsimmons , keep rockin'
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12:08<enrico_>hello world
12:09<enrico_>Does anyone have any experience with crunchbang?
12:09<dtcrshr>with apache web server should i worry about setting the files on www to an specific group?
12:09<dtcrshr>dont wanna 777 all of it
12:09<enrico_>Hi dtcrshr, I usually set it to wwwrun on suse
12:10<enrico_>but it doesn't matter as long as the directories are not accessible rw by others
12:10<retrospectacus>dtcrshr: chown -R 33:33 /var/www if you want
12:10<enrico_>So, does anyone have any experience with crunchbang?
12:11<retrospectacus>dtcrshr: (33 is www-data)
12:11<Torsten_W>enrico_, here is #debian, not #crunchbang
12:11<enrico_>I know :)
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12:11<enrico_>But I can't find the crunchbang irc channel
12:11<Torsten_W>it doesn't seem so
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12:11<Torsten_W>enrico_, you know google or any other earch-engine?
12:12<enrico_>I did, and i found ... which I can't get to work
12:12<themill>enrico_: #crunchbang on
12:13<themill>enrico_: select "ubuntu servers" in the list of servers to which you can connect
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12:14<enrico_>Thanks torsten
12:14<s_i_m>retrospectacus, the files in /var/www/ should not be normally owned by www-data. they should be just readable
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12:15<dtcrshr>nice retrospectacus, ill just add my user to this group as well
12:15<dtcrshr>s_i_m, what do you suggest?
12:15<dtcrshr>the problem is, i migrated a site from a windows 2k server, with this debian one. but since iv scp the files, all of them are root:root
12:16<dtcrshr>u can just chown them to me:users to edit the .php files, but i dont think is that simple
12:16<dtcrshr>regarding security and so on
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12:21<retrospectacus>dtcrshr: root:root should be fine as long as 33 can read them
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12:22<retrospectacus>the application may require writing permissions on e.g. a cache folder. then chown that
12:23<dtcrshr>im on debian, got no 33 groups
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12:28<retrospectacus>www-data is 33 on debian
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12:29<retrospectacus>grep 33 /etc/passwd /etc/group
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12:30<dtcrshr>sorry its right. i saw on getent group
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12:31<dtcrshr>well, so now i need to add my user to this group too, so i can edit then
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12:34<smashie>kop: I doubt that non-free fw is one of assembler's problems
12:34<retrospectacus>dtcrshr: then you will have to chmod g+w
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12:35<dtcrshr>now it worked. all files under me:33, 775 files, 444 php ones
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12:37<s_i_m>dtcrshr, if you decided to make yourself the owner, then you do not need g+w
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12:38<dtcrshr>yeah, ill actually edit the page from the web server machine
12:38<dtcrshr>wont do ftp uploads
12:38<dtcrshr>better to be on my user then, so the others wont mess arround
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12:43<dtcrshr>is there a way to set nautilus to work something like a tree browser?
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12:45<retrospectacus>dtcrshr: change "icon view" to list view
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12:47<dtcrshr>hm. im already on the list view, i mean on the left side colum, wich i got locals
12:47<dtcrshr>something similar do file commander, windows explorer..
12:47<dtcrshr>so i can see the folder/ tree
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12:49<retrospectacus>left side column, choose tree in the dropdown chooser at the top
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13:18<Javii>Ola a todos
13:18<monber>Hola Javii
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13:19<Javii>Ola mony :D
13:19<themill>!es-social Javii, monber
13:19<dpkg>Javii, monber: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador por favor ingresa al canal social de #debian-es con /join #debian-es-cachondeo. Tus amigos probablemente ya esten ahi.
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13:56<David-A>Shared memory leak Xorg process when playing video with xv, gl, gl2 but not x11. Integrated ATI Radeon HD 4200, driver fglrx. Anyone had same problem or knows if I should bugreport xorg or fglrx?
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14:15<unixabg>Greetings, anyone running moodle that could assist on setup?
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14:24<randy>Could anyone tell me disadvance about sudo?
14:25<X-Tornado>hi, any body can help me?¿ I have installed last Debian testing but when it boots the screen say "No Signal". I can't enter to tty
14:26<arw_>randy: that the root-password is the same as the user-pw.
14:26<retrospectacus>randy: if you give up your user password / it is compromized, your root is also given
14:27<locklace>!tell X-Tornado about modes
14:27<randy>Thank you
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14:28<arw_>in an initrd skript, i get a config file from a filesystem i mounted. when the initrd skripts try to mount the real root-fs and umount the initrd. i get a kernel panic because the extra fs i mounted is still there.
14:28<randy>but how to solve root ?
14:29<arw_>what would be the best option to make that config file available during the whole boot process?
14:29<retrospectacus>randy: parse error, please rephrase your question,
14:29<randy>UCA is like sudo?
14:29<X-Tornado>?¿ I have tried to use Recovery Mode but the smae problem, the screen say "No signal" and the keyboard led's flicker
14:29<ffws>randy: what do you want to solve?
14:29<arw_>the skript is
14:29<randy>wait,i translate
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14:30<retrospectacus>X-Tornado: sounds like you maybe using a KVM multiplexer?
14:30<randy>but how to solve risk of root ?
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14:30<X-Tornado>what's that ?¿
14:31<retrospectacus>a device to connect one keyboard, mouse, video to many computers and press a button on the device to switch between them
14:31<X-Tornado>no, i'm not using it
14:32<randy>ffws, I want to solve risk of root
14:32<retrospectacus>randy: can you describe "risk of root"
14:32<randy>ffws, use root is too power
14:32<retrospectacus>secure the root account with a GOOD password?
14:33<retrospectacus>that is the answer
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14:33<randy>but virus
14:34<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, virus is a program that makes unbidden copies of itself in order to proliferate. Usually plays a role either as graffiti or for malicious intent, or a working version of Windows without Windows, or see See also <clamav>, <amavis>.
14:34<randy>use root run virus
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14:35<ffws>randy: just open a root terminal if you need it...
14:35<retrospectacus>randy: perhaps you could find more help in your native language
14:35<dpkg>The language of #debian is English. We will do our best to help you regardless of your level of English but you might be more comfortable asking for help in your own language. Ask me about your language code for more information, for example /msg dpkg br ; /msg dpkg pt ; /msg dpkg es ; /msg dpkg fr ; /msg dpkg de
14:36<randy>dpkg don't know chinese
14:36<dpkg>no idea, randy
14:37<dpkg>well, cn is China, or for help in chinese please join #debian-zh, Please use UTF-8, for IRC help see | Qt/KDE è¿æ¸¡æå¼å§ï¼è¯¦æ请é读
14:37<randy>è¿æ¸¡æå¼å§ï¼è¯¦æ请é读 can't show
14:37<randy>and #debian-zh don't have people on line
14:38<Aleric>Is there a way in bash to abort a bash function and return to the prompt? 'return' would just return from the current function, and 'exit' destroys the whole terminal (exists bash) :/
14:38<retrospectacus>randy: well just don't run stuff as root
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14:40<randy>what stuff means rubbish?
14:41<retrospectacus>stuff = programs that don't need to be run as root
14:42<randy>retrospectacus, but no root ,no run it
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14:42<randy>it should
14:42<retrospectacus>what is "it"
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14:43<randy>no root,it return 1
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14:46<retrospectacus>"soft" - it's a program? from where? you think it's a virus?
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14:47<randy>I image,may I will meet
14:48<randy>noone what progrm you will meet
14:48<arw_>win close
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14:50<randy>I‘m sorry I should go to sleep,it's 3:00am.Thank you everyone.Bye
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14:50<retrospectacus>good night
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14:59<dasenjo>Hello, I have an iso image. I'm gonna use to install a server, but some non-free firmware debs miss. Is there an easy way to include them in the iso?
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15:01<retrospectacus>!installer firmware
15:01<dpkg>Debian-Installer since Lenny is able to load additional <firmware>, by including it within installation media or supplying on removable media (e.g. USB stick, floppy). See and . To include firmware within Debian <netboot> images, see
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15:57<ebrahim>Hey guys. What is your experience with odfconvert plugin for Microsoft Office for interoperability with OpenOffice? Is it reliable as a solution for editing documents with both MS Office and OOo?
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15:59<kop>ebrahim: IIRC the plugin covers only ODF 1.0, and ooo is now on to 2.
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16:00<dasenjo>retrospectacus, thanks! I had google without success, I found only difficult stuff ... the script worked :)
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16:00<ebrahim>kop, I guess that's MS Office's native ODF support. I'm talking about
16:01<ebrahim>kop, I guess OOo is also on ODF 1.1
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16:13<yobo->is anyone here?
16:14<ebrahim>yobo-, I for 1
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16:14<purplefool>hey, i have been using a mobile broadband usb stick and then my motherboard fried. now i am trying to use the stick on an older (and slower) computer and cannot get it to even recognize the stick let alone run internet. does anyone have an idea how to troubleshoot this?
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16:18-!-zobel changed the topic of #debian to: lenny (5.0.5) /msg dpkg 5.0.5 | etch no longer on mirrors: /msg dpkg etch->lenny | NO FLOOD: /msg dpkg pastebin | /msg bots NOT people | offtopic: #debian-offtopic | FAQ: | DebConf live streams: and
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16:29<krowten>i am trying to burn a cd, does rythmbox do this? i am not seeing the icon to burn a cd
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16:31<retrospectacus>rythmbox does not do that
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16:31<retrospectacus>brasero is the gnome tool for that, I believe
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16:32<krowten>ok thank you
16:33<krowten>brasero will burn audio cd's like to play in the car cd player that does not support mp3??
16:33<dbldtx>~Yep, sure does. Audio CDs, we call them.
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16:34<dbldtx>My car's got a USB port in it, so you can plug in a 16gb thumbdrive. ;)
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16:54<daniele_>hello jpa
16:55<jpa-1>well its almost friday
16:55<sekiah>I have a friend who's inquiring with me because I know more about linux than him how to fix a debian install, but debian is not my forte. Would this be a good place to check for pointers/direction?
16:55<icebrain>sekiah: yes
16:55<sekiah>Excellent :)
16:56<sekiah>The system is failing to boot, it did boot previously. To my knowledge, it's a 5.0 debian system.
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16:57<sekiah>It's failing because it is unable to find dev/console
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16:57<sekiah>He has a copy of the debian cd available, and I'm bringing up the logs of my conversation with him off my flash drive now.
16:58<sekiah>What further information should I narrow down to, so to best assist in an answer?
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17:02<sekiah>Ah, here we are.
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17:03<sekiah>When attempting to configure lilo on the system from the CD, he receives an error 'Fata: raid_setup: stat"(/dev/sda1")
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17:04<daniele_>can you see the files from the cd?
17:05<sekiah>Yes, he is able to both see and edit the files on the partition from the CD.
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17:06<daniele_>ok, can you try to open the "/dev" directory?
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17:08<sekiah>He is able to see the /dev/ directory from the cd.
17:09<daniele_>great, and the "console" file is there, in the hdd? Or is missing?
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17:10<sekiah>The file /dev/console is located on the hard drive, yes.
17:11<daniele_>ok, what's the kernel version that you're trying to boot?
17:11<sekiah>One moment, scrolling to that.
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17:13<sekiah>The /vmlinuz for his system appears to be pointing to /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.8-2-686
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17:14<inglor>Hi, got a problem with mdadm and raid5 on my debian. Each time I reboot a resync happens and after a point it deadlocks (probably a shared IRQ issue). So I stop the raid when I reboot. Then when I try to start it I get this. And the /proc/mdstat shows (auto-read-only)
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17:15<daniele_>mmm, ok
17:16<daniele_>what boot loader?
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17:17<daniele_>and there are entries related to other kernel versions?
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17:19<sekiah>It has a Linux and a LinuxOLD entry.
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17:20<daniele_>ok: what's the exact error message? When you see it?
17:20<sekiah>It's a multi-line error he gets, one moment.
17:22<sekiah>Actually, it seems I need to apologize.
17:23<sekiah>It seems there were two people working on this system, and one broke it before he got there.
17:23<daniele_>hum, great
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17:23<Martian67_>hi can somebody give me the sha1 hash of sshd on stable?
17:23<sekiah>They edited the lilo entries for the boot and root designation and changed them from hda to sda, and added a lba32 entry.
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17:23<Martian67_>the binary itself not the package please
17:24<sekiah>I apologize for taking up your time with this, and appreciate your patience.
17:24<daniele_>no problem :)
17:24<sekiah>Thanks again, and have a good day :)
17:24<daniele_>you too!
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17:36<themill>Martian67_: debsums can verify this for you (you'd need to specify which architecture when you ask, btw)
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17:37<Martian67_>i386 please
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17:38<Martian67_>wow it sums every file
17:38<Martian67_>thats pretty cool
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17:40<Martian67_>themill, is no sums found for <file> an issue?
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17:44<themill>Martian67_: "91c2445fd0f0345fe25d6452fa3068cd /usr/sbin/sshd" fwiw. Not all packages have md5sums in them, but having installed debsums, missing ones will be generated at install time.
17:44<Martian67_>nice utillity thanks!
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17:50<dpkg>hello, chuy_max
17:50<dpkg>I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse).
17:50<chuy_max>yes you are :)
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17:50<themill>chuy_max: feel free to play in a /msg
17:51<Martian67_>themill, and thats an up to date stable right?
17:52<themill>yes, i386.
17:53<themill>openssh-server package version 1:5.1p1-5
17:54<Martian67_>themill, 5.0.5 right?
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17:55<Martian67_>got a sum mismatch :|
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17:56<themill>Martian67_: what's the output of "apt-cache policy openssh-server libc6; dpkg --print-architecture" (stick it in a pastebin)
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17:58<themill>An md5sum mismatch isn't a good thing then. What made you start looking for such things?
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18:00<Martian67_>you said thats md5?
18:00<Martian67_>i asked for a sha1 :P
18:00<Martian67_>but ok sec
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18:00<themill>"ef7df66f2ee17db3fd998b937ad2ce319758c54e /usr/sbin/sshd"
18:00<themill>heh... old habits
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18:01<Martian67_>haha both check out:P
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18:01<Martian67_>well that just about sent me into panic mode
18:01<Martian67_>themill, my ssh password just suddenly stopped working
18:02<Martian67_>thats whats making me real suspicious
18:02<themill>ahh. jftr, md5sum and sha1sum output are different lengths too.
18:02<Martian67_>i changed it, now it works again
18:02<Martian67_>yea, i didnt notice
18:02<Martian67_>only read the first bit :p
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19:14<g-Bo>hey guys, need a little bit of help with compiling on my arm box
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19:36<retrospectacus>g-Bo: go ahead an ask, note that there is also a #debian-arm
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19:38<g-Bo>thx, i try to compile the v4l-dvb source i got
19:38<g-Bo>but it seems that i dont have linux-headers installed
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19:40<g-Bo>so when i install them via apt, there is a message that there are multiple linux headers packages and i have to specify one to install
19:42<g-Bo>i tried to install them but it creates own folders in /lib/modules
19:43<g-Bo>my /lib/modules/{uname -r} directory does not get the build and source subdirs...
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19:44<g-Bo>... so the make fails with the following error: File not found: /lib/modules/2.6.32-00007-g56678ec/build/.config at ./scripts/ line 32, <IN> line 4.
19:44<Xliff>Hello, I'm trying to get LDAP logins to work. I've set up ldap.conf, nsswitch.conf, pam_ldap.conf and /etc/pam.d/common-auth, yet I don't see any references to pam_ldap in my auth.log file -- can someone tell me where else to check?
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19:45<Xliff>And no, logins are not working. I see it check pam_unix and that's it.
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20:18<retrospectacus>not sure what I upgraded, but my rhythmbox now makes a kind of staticky volume swell, when the sound plays in pidgin when someone signs in
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20:29<vagn>Is there a simple description somewhere telling how to sign a repository? Something covering making a local cert? I don't need or want to be signed by anything outside the lab.
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21:16<kristianpaul>how i can install graphically app ins kde
21:16<kristianpaul>like the synaptic in gnome
21:17<jordanm>kristianpaul: you can use synaptic in kde
21:17<jordanm>kristianpaul: what version of debian?
21:17<kristianpaul>jordanm: yes but ther is no equivalence?
21:17<twiggz>cli aptitude
21:18<jordanm>kristianpaul: not that I am aware of. There is a new aptitude-gtk frontend, but that is also not qt
21:18<kristianpaul>ah ok
21:18<twiggz>ubuntu has that qt packagemanger...
21:18<twiggz>its the rest of ubuntu
21:18<rmayorga>there is a GSoC about creating an aptitude front-end using QT
21:18<kristianpaul>my friend likes kde but well i stick to gnome
21:19<twiggz>or something
21:19<twiggz>i forget
21:19<rmayorga>I think there is already some usable packages, you should check on
21:19<kristianpaul>twiggz: yes
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21:19<jordanm>yes... the aptitude-gtk is "usable", but it might freeze every other launch :p
21:20<kristianpaul>other question, what groups the user need join so will be able to mount disks
21:20<kristianpaul>i meant like a ntfs partition :/
21:21<jordanm>kristianpaul: for a local ntfs partition, it needs "user" option in fstab. for ntfs on a usb drive, the plugdev group
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21:23<kristianpaul>okay thats all
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21:23<kristianpaul>thanks all of you !
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22:04<Pavel>Is it possible to install my NVIDIA GTS250 on the latest stable release of Debian Lenny?
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22:06<jordanm>Pavel: are you the same guy I already answered on freenode?
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22:06<Pavel>Was looking for a 2nd opinion.
22:07<Pavel>brb reboot
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22:12<r0ger>anyone have a recommendation to a frontend for iptables (cli as it's for a server) for someone pretty new to firewall rules?
22:12<r0ger>i understand how firewall rules work, but i'm not familar with the syntax
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22:14<jordanm>r0ger: shorewall maybe
22:24<r0ger>ty jordanm
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22:35<Pavel>jordanm: Downloading 32-bit Debian DVD now.
22:35<Pavel>At 3.6mb/s :D
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