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---Logopened Tue Aug 10 00:00:13 2010
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00:00<dominick>hmm... k...
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00:17<dbldtx_>Dominick, still having troubles?
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00:17<dominick>okay, I have the linux-image-2.6.32-bpo.5-686 and aptitude installed from bpo, and am logged into the new kernel. I'm trying to install squeeze. Which ones should I use for upgrade? safe-upgrade and full-upgrade, or dist-upgrade and upgrade?
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00:20<jpinx-eeepc>dominick: dist-upgrade is depcerated
00:21<jpinx-eeepc>deprecated - even
00:21<jpinx-eeepc>use safe- and then full-
00:21<dominick>thnx jpinx, so that leaves me with safe- and full!!
00:21<jpinx-eeepc>dominick: do a safe one till it stops complaining
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00:22<jpinx-eeepc>mine took several runs to clear depends
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00:22<dominick>do you mean I should run it several times?
00:22<jpinx-eeepc>yes - if it throws errors
00:22<dominick>k.
00:23<jpinx-eeepc>dominick: when safe- runs without errors you can go for full- and run several times if it throws errors
00:23<jpinx-eeepc>dominick: and use aptitude - not apt-get
00:24<dominick>yea. I always use aptitude. and thanks for sharing the knowledge!!
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00:24<jpinx-eeepc>dominick: I'm just a user who has been bitten in the bum a few times ;)
00:25<dominick>lol!
00:26<dominick>just to estimate the ETA, how much data will be downloaded during the complete upgradation process? I have gnome installed, which will take a little more than 1GB i guess. How much more will be downloaded?
00:26<jpinx-eeepc>not much more I guess
00:26<dominick>so I'm looking at 3 hrs of boredom!!
00:27<jpinx-eeepc>are you on dial-up? ;)
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00:27<dominick>nope. i've a 80kBps line!
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00:28<jpinx-eeepc>dominick: in Ann Arbor?
00:28<dominick>India!
00:29<ikaros>hi there
00:29<ikaros>nice to meet u all
00:29<jpinx-eeepc>Hi ikaros stay away from the sun ;)
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00:29<jpinx-eeepc>dominick: ok - enjoy the boredom ;)
00:29<dominick>okay, ETA says 2 hrs for 721MB. Wonder how much more for full-upgrade!!
00:29<ikaros>may i ask a question??
00:30<jpinx-eeepc>!ask
00:30<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
00:31<ikaros>im using Lenny now, and im using a 486 mainboard with ATI rage iic display chip
00:31<ikaros>i surveyed much time to find the driver for lenny
00:31<ikaros>but nothing
00:31<ikaros>could u help me to resolve this problem????
00:32<jpinx-eeepc>!ati
00:32<dpkg>To use an ATI graphics card with Debian, ask me about <radeon>, <radeonhd>, <fglrx>. See also <radeon vs radeonhd>. Installing proprietary drivers from amd.com (i.e. with the ATI Driver Installer) is not supported in #debian, please go to #ati (irc.freenode.net).
00:32<jpinx-eeepc>ikaros: ↑↑↑
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00:32<blarson>!rage
00:32<dpkg>rumour has it, rage is http://avis.lightband.com/david/rage128-howto.html
00:33<jpinx-eeepc>blarson: broken url :/
00:34<ikaros>wow thank u
00:34<ikaros>all
00:38<redmage>I've got to say, the dpkg bot is probably the most helpful bot I've ever seen.
00:38<redmage>Kudos to the people who came up with it.
00:38<dominick>yea, I'm new to debian, and I love dpkg!!
00:39<blarson>redmage: dondelelcaro runs the bot, but many contribute to it's database
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00:40<redmage>I'm still stuck with no wireless, despite all of dpkg's attempts to help. :|
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00:41<dominick>redmage, which wifi card hv u got?
00:45<dominick>don't you get chimps here who meddle with the information with dpkg just to spread mayhem?
00:47<jpinx-eeepc>dominick: they are usually spotted quickly
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00:48<jpinx-eeepc>we all have a esponsibility to keep this # useful and on-topic ;)
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00:49<dominick>i believe there must be a way to restore a factoid to its older version?
00:50<jpinx-eeepc>dominick: you need to speak with ops about that
00:51<jm_>!my factoids
00:51<dpkg>My factoids are available at http://rzlab.ucr.edu/~dpkg/ in archives that are updated nightly and the previous 18 days are archived. See also <search>, <help listkeys>, <help-listvals>, <opensearch>
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01:00<austinium>is there anyway the output of `dpkg-reconfigure -f noninteractive tzdata` can be redirected onto a file? i have tried redirecting with > it doesn't work
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01:01<jm_>austinium: script etc.
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01:04<austinium>jm_: could you elaborate?
01:04<jm_>austinium: man script
01:05<austinium>make typescript of terminal session...iam on it
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01:07<austinium>i have a GUI application which performs allows the user to change system time using that shell command, iam trying to generate a log file...i am not sure if script would work in this case
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01:07<sney>austinium: it might be outputting it to stderr instead of stdout
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01:08<sney>I think you just add &2>1 and your standard redirect will work
01:08<sney>though man bash will have the syntax for sure
01:08<jm_>naah
01:08<sney>or not ^^
01:08<jm_>it can help, one can run script -c ...
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02:25<v0id>hi all
02:25<v0id>i did the leeny -> squeeze update
02:25<v0id>and now i dont get a login screen
02:25<v0id>it keeps flickering
02:25<jm_>check X logfile
02:26<v0id>but how? i cant log in
02:26<jm_>ctrl-alt-f1
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02:28*jpinx-ee1pc thinks lenny -> squeeze is causing quite a few problems
02:28<v0id>ok im in
02:28<v0id>can you tell me how to get the log?
02:28<jm_>!x logfile
02:28<jm_>please don't ask yes/no questions
02:29<jm_>it's /var/log/Xorg.0.log
02:30<v0id>what am i looking for ;o
02:30<jm_>just put it on a pastebin, I recommend pastebinit
02:30<v0id>hmm
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02:31<v0id>i remember having @LANG errors when i ran full-upgrade
02:32<jm_>probably perl warnings and not errors
02:32<v0id>locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory
02:33<v0id>make sure $LC_* and $LANG are correct and the package is reported broken +5. Help!!
02:33<v0id>that was the error
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03:12<austinium>hi, is there a way the output of a single command can be redirected to 2 files?
03:12<austinium>ls > file1;cat file1>file2 ?
03:13<seeS>one on top of the other?
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03:15<austinium>iam trying to add logging to an application that uses scripts
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03:15<seeS>so you want the log to go to two different files? and you cannot just copy it?
03:16<seeS>btw cating the first into the second works
03:16<austinium>yeah i'll try appending file1 to file2, since file2 already has o/p from previous commands
03:17<seeS>maybe use >>
03:17<Arrowmaster>man tee
03:17<seeS>>> is append rather than overwrite
03:17<jm_>modern shells support foo > file1 >file2
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03:18<seeS>bash mustnt be modern :(
03:18<Arrowmaster>its not, all the modern options are disabled by default
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03:19<seeS>kinda strange really, file1 was empty
03:19<seeS>ah yeah, tee does it too. forgot it can to tee to many files
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03:48<kupak>hello
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03:49<kupak>how can i check what packages are available for update?
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03:50<Lethalman>kupak, apt-show-versions|grep upgradeable
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03:50<kupak>ok, thanks
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03:53<MaXim>FFFUUUU
03:53<MaXim>i installed 256.44 over 192.xx nvidia driver
03:53<MaXim>and i now i have direct rendering
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03:57<s_i_m>192.xx was from the official repository?
03:58<s_i_m>i mean, Debian's repository
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03:59<s_i_m>actually, in squeeze there is currently 195.36.24
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04:01<MaXim>ah yes
04:01<MaXim>195
04:02<MaXim>same diff lol
04:02<MaXim>256 working like a dream
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04:04<s_i_m>but what did you do with 256.44? installed with Nvidia's installer, or ported the nvidia-graphics-drivers package to use this new version?
04:04<MaXim>the former
04:04<s_i_m>that is not the best option...
04:05<MaXim>listen
04:05<MaXim>it works, unlike every other method I've tried
04:05<s_i_m>your setup can break on upgrades, for instance
04:05<MaXim>then I can simply install it again
04:05<MaXim>I don't have all day to fiddle with my linux install; I have better things to get on with
04:05<s_i_m>it is the method one would use in Slackware, nit Debian =)
04:06<MaXim>yeah, but I'm coming from slackware :P
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04:06<Ather>s_i_m
04:06<Ather>are you online?
04:06<s_i_m>ah, that explains everithing.
04:06<Ather>ah
04:07<jm_>also don't ask for help in #debian if you install it that way
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04:07<MaXim>I already asked for help multiple times installing it the debian way
04:07<MaXim>and nobody helped me
04:08<MaXim>in the end I just helped myself, and that's fine
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04:11<s_i_m>MaXim, I can explain why you did not get an advice: a) you probably did not give enough information b) your attitude was such that nobody wanted to answer
04:11<MaXim>I gave plenty of information, and I also linked to a forum thread
04:12<MaXim>people simply told me to go to #NVIDIA instead.
04:12<MaXim>I don't think you should infer anything about my atitude unless you were actually around when I asked for help
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04:15<s_i_m>MaXim, I was.
04:18<MaXim>In any case, I did not ask for an explanation as to why nobody helped me. I've fixed my problem so it's pointless continuing this discussion.
04:19<s_i_m>=) well, that is exactly what I am talking about.
04:19<jpinx-ee1pc>MaXim: I didn't answer 'cos I was afk :)
04:20<locklace>gentlemen, you can't fight in here. this is the war room
04:20<jpinx-ee1pc>MaXim: you just gotta remember that we're all just dudes like you who volunteer to help other dudes out from time to time
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04:21<MaXim>I never said that anybody here was obligated to help
04:21<MaXim>but somebody just had to troll a bit :)
04:22<MaXim>as to the correct way to install software
04:22<s_i_m>oh my god
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04:34<s_i_m>MaXim, i got a feeling that you are russian, am I wrong?
04:34<jpinx-eeepc>s_i_m: leave him alone.....
04:34<Ather>lol
04:34<s_i_m>well, I want to know =)
04:35<jpinx-eeepc>s_i_m: do a whois and iplocator then
04:36<s_i_m>well, that usually says nothing
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04:43<lau>hello, I have a ftp rescue access to my debian server and am looking for crontab -e files
04:43<lau>can you confirm such user crontab files are stored in /var/spool/cron ?
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04:44<s_i_m>/var/spool/cron/crontabs, yes
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04:50<lau>ssh vishnu
04:50<lau>erf
04:50<s_i_m>now type the password, please :)
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04:51<mib_sdrtuv>hey everyone
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04:51<mib_sdrtuv>im trying to get fn-f7 working on my thinkpad x40
04:52<mib_sdrtuv>the script works, but it is not executed by fn-f7 and i dont know why
04:52<s_i_m>what is that function exactly?
04:52<s_i_m>on my Dell laptop there is no such
04:53<mib_sdrtuv>s_i_m: toggle screen (lvds - vga) using xrandr
04:53<s_i_m>i think it is an acpi key
04:54<mib_sdrtuv>it is. i created a event-file and restarted acpid
04:54<mib_sdrtuv>but still no luck
04:54<sheldonh>DSA-2089 says ''It is recommended to uncomment the 'session.entropy_file' and 'session.entropy_length' settings in the php.ini files.'' there are uncommented values for both of these already. any clarification available?
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04:57<s_i_m>mib_sdrtuv, you can check with kacpimon if the kernel sends any events when you press that key
04:58<mib_sdrtuv>s_i_m: it does
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04:59<s_i_m>mib_sdrtuv, hm. can you pastebin the output of kacpimon and also your scripts somewhere?
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05:00<mib_sdrtuv>s_i_m: i use this script: http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Sample_Fn-F7_script#Alternative_script_using_.Xauthority_rather_than_su
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05:01<austinium>whats a good swap partition size for 1GB RAM ?
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05:01<dominick>Okay guys, I finally updated to squeeze from lenny, SUCCESSFULLY! After 24 hrs of struggle and reinstalling from DVD four times!!
05:02<s_i_m>heh
05:02<mib_sdrtuv>s_i_m: it works fine when i run the script from the commandline
05:02<dominick>How do I let the infobot know about my solution?
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05:03<s_i_m>austinium, it should be at least of the RAM size if you are going to do hibernation on it
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05:04<dominick>austinium, if you utilize most of your RAM, I recommend having 2x the RAM capacity
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05:05<austinium>dominick would the 2x RAM method hold true for people with 3GB or more of RAM too?
05:06<dominick>I have a 1GB RAM and hv 10GB swap, for no apparent reason at all.
05:06<dominick>austinium, for something more than 1.5GB RAM, you can have a 1x swap!
05:06<austinium>how do you think the automatic partitioning schemes decide how much SWAP to create
05:07<austinium>i guess the amount of disk space available also has a part to play in that
05:07<sheldonh>austinium: a) do you actually need swap? b) are you actually going to miss 2GB of disk space?
05:08<dominick>austinium, you have an alternative of creating a swap file, without a swap partition. You can then utilize all your HDD memory!
05:09<jpinx-eeepc>!tell dominick about edit
05:11<dominick>jpinx-eeepc, do you want me to edit the factoid with my solution? I've never done it before.
05:11<jpinx-eeepc>dominick: or make a new one - the ops will see it very soon ;)
05:12<s_i_m>dominick, why did you have to reinstall? in a couple of words?
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05:14<dominick>i was left with a broken kernel and udev, from which I couldn't figure out a way. #debian also couldn't help me!
05:14<jm_>that's a known thing
05:15<s_i_m>that is serious and should be reported if not yet reported...
05:15<jm_>!squeeze udev
05:15<dpkg>As of <udev> 150 in squeeze, Linux kernel 2.6.27 or newer is required (i.e. upgrade kernel and udev at the same time). If udev installation fails and you already have a squeeze kernel installed, then reboot into the new kernel and "aptitude -f install ; aptitude safe-upgrade" to continue. See also <squeeze kernel>, <kernel abi>, http://bugs.debian.org/571255
05:15<s_i_m>ah, okay. i have heard of this.
05:15<dominick>jm_, I couldn't have the kernel running, nor could I have a working udev. The factoid helps if you already have a squeeze kernel installed!!
05:16<jm_>dominick: no
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05:17<dominick>the first time when I upgraded the kernel and the udev at the same time and rebooted, grub didn't show a link to the new kernel!
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05:18<jm_>the problem people have in such situations they continue upgrading instead of stopping and fixing it before the damage is done
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05:19<dominick>jm_, sorry I'm inexperienced, where should I have stopped?
05:20<jpinx-eeepc>jm_: so really it needs to be stated that to do lenny->squeeze, first upgrade udev and the kernel to higher than ...27
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05:20<jpinx-eeepc>!lenny->squeeze
05:21<dominick>jm_, that's what I wasn't able to do!
05:21<jm_>dominick: it doesn't matter now, just keep it in mind for the next time
05:22<dominick>jm_, hey! Before upgrading, the first thing I did was "aptitude update aptitude linux-image-2.6.32-5-686". I have been through these factoids tens of times.
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05:23<jpinx-eeepc>dpkg: lenny->squeeze
05:23<dpkg>Remove any APT source specific to stable (such as volatile), then s/lenny/squeeze/ on your sources.list and then aptitude update && aptitude install aptitude linux-image-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,'` ; reboot; aptitude safe-upgrade && aptitude full-upgrade. Important: see <squeeze udev>. Also ask me about <d-d-a>, <apt-listchanges>, <testing>.
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05:23<jpinx-eeepc>that is really misleading
05:23<dominick>jm_, s/aptitude update aptitude/aptitude install aptitude
05:24<dominick>thanks jpinx-eeepc, like I said, I've been through these factoids tens of times!
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05:25<moldovean>dominick, as usually you do it wrong ...
05:25<moldovean>"tens of times! "
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05:25<dominick>err... I'm not able to understand what I did wrong! englighten me!
05:27<smv>altough i wasn't doing an update to squeeze but to sid, no more than a month ago, i was able to just edit sources.list and do aptitude update && aptitude full-upgrade, on a lenny system installed from the netinst cd, perhaps a 'standard instal' (not sure if the term is the best one). might've been just luck, but only had to redo aptitude full-upgrade only once after a reboot..
05:28<jpinx-eeepc>!tell dominick about lenny->squeeze
05:28<jpinx-eeepc>dominick: is that better?
05:30<dominick>jpinx-eeepc, I had problems installing udev and the kernel at the same time. That's where I got stuck all the time!
05:31<jpinx-eeepc>dominick: ok - I hear you and I'll do more on it when I get time
05:31<jpinx-eeepc>dominick: /pm me your method
05:34<moldovean>dominick, that's not clear ? first install the kernel >2.6.32 , reboot with that kernel , and then install udev ...
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05:37<dominick>moldovean, that left me with a broken kernel!!
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05:37<dominick>I couldn't boot into the new or old kernel!
05:38<moldovean>dominick, paste your sources , and your commands ...
05:38<dominick>my only source: deb http://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian squeeze main contrib non-free
05:38<moldovean>dominick, go install windows , then
05:39<dominick>hey moldovean, I'm sure you shouldn't be saying that to people!!
05:39<moldovean>dominick, only to you ..
05:39<jpinx-eeepc>moldovean: if you install kernel>=32 you don't seem to need to touch udev
05:39<smv>moldovean, nu-i nevoie să fii rău, și așa cred ca a tot auzit păreri negative azi :))
05:39<rpetre>:)
05:39<dominick>hmm.. me not arguing!
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05:40<moldovean>10 Aug 09 16:11<dominick> thanks moldovean, wish me luck!!
05:40<moldovean>10 Aug 09 16:11<moldovean> reboot in the new kernel , must be 2.6.32-5-686 or amd64
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05:41<dominick>moldovean, I already told you, the kernel left me with a broken system!
05:41<jpinx-eeepc>dpkg: lenny->squeeze
05:41<dpkg>IMPORTANT! See <squeeze udev> before proceeding, you may need to upgrade your kernel from bpo first. Then remove any APT source specific to stable (such as volatile) or bpo if you used it, then s/lenny/squeeze/ on your sources.list and then aptitude update && aptitude install aptitude linux-image-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,'` ; reboot; aptitude safe-upgrade && aptitude full-upgrade. Also ask me about <d-
05:42<dominick>thanks jpinx-eepc!!
05:42<dominick>that's better!
05:43<dominick>and moldovean, that's what I ended up doing to have a working squeeze!!
05:44<moldovean>smv, omul nostru "sta" pe problema asta de trei zile , asa ca asta e ..
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06:07<mib_sdrtuv>s_i_m: if you are interested, i actually found a solution
06:08<rpetre>moldovean: breathe :)
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06:09<s_i_m>mib_sdrtuv, what was that?
06:10<mib_sdrtuv>s_i_m: for some reason i couldn't get the acpi event to work
06:10<mib_sdrtuv>s_i_m: instead i used xmodmap
06:10<mib_sdrtuv>s_i_m: now its running fine
06:10<mib_sdrtuv>s_i_m: xmodmap and gnome keybindings
06:11<s_i_m>i see. i was not sure those keys reach X
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06:33<amanita>Are you aware that there is a Debian channel on freenode with 971 people online?
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06:34<s_i_m>shall we all rush and run there?
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06:34<petemc>amanita: most everyone is aware of that, yes
06:35<amanita>No, we should bring them here.
06:35<jm_>impressive find amanita
06:35<petemc>heh
06:35<weasel>hah
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06:47<austinium>hi, i have an application which run a series of shell commands/scripts, iam trying to redirect the output of those cmds/scripts to a logfile. the log file isn't getting updated....heres an example dpkg-reconfigure -f noninteractive tzdata &>> logfile
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06:48<austinium>that gives me an error ... bash: syntax error near unexpected token `>'
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06:49<austinium>and if i dont use the second > it ends up overwriting the earlier log entries
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06:53<moldovean>hm , tzdata noninteractive ..
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06:55<cahoot>dpkg-reconfigure -f noninteractive tzdata 2>&1 | tee logfile.txt perhaps?
06:56<austinium>thank you cahoot :)
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06:56<cahoot>maybe it also overwrites though
06:56<jm_>tee has --append
06:57<cahoot>dpkg-reconfigure -f noninteractive tzdata 2>&1 | tee --append logfile.txt ?
06:57<austinium>yup that did it
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06:58<austinium>the 2 here is for stderr?
06:58<jm_>it redirects stderr to stdout
06:59<austinium>ok, thanks
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07:04<weasel>angasule: foo > log 2>&1
07:04<weasel>angasule: foo >> log 2>&1
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07:05<cahoot>austinium: ?
07:05<weasel>erm. yes.
07:05<angasule>probably :P I haven't even had coffee
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07:06<cahoot>not even tee?
07:06<weasel>austinium: maybe you are looking for typescript?
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07:07<angasule>I haven't even had a cookie!
07:07*weasel takes angasule's cookie
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07:24<dimon2010>Äîáðûé äåíü!
07:25<dimon2010>Åñòü ñìûñë â îáíîâëåíèè íà Debian 6.0 Squeeze
07:26<moldovean>!ru
07:26<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net. or use English here.
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07:28<austinium>sorry i was away
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08:25<temesi>hello
08:25<Maulkin>Hi
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08:26<temesi>I have a question about mdadm this is the channel for my question?
08:26<Maulkin>Well, that depends. You could just ask :)
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08:29<temesi>well, I have a raid1 that is depracated. I think the raid has been a problem, and that the hard drive is fine.
08:31<temesi>I would like to break the raid. And rebuild
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08:33<temesi>this is my channel ?
08:33<temesi>I feel, it is the first time in # debian
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08:43<jpinx-eeepc>temesi: what release are you using?
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09:12<ikaros>@ jpinx-eeepc, it could not be solved my problem which is installation of driver of ATI RAGE IIC
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09:22<Thays>hii ~
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09:24<ikaros>does someone use ATI RAGE IIC video chip???
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09:28<ikaros>i'm finding the driver for Debian lenny
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09:42<vizor>hi guys, can anybody say if linux has strong wifi-n support?
09:42<petemc>sure, works fine
09:43<petemc>firmware blobs aside
09:43<vizor>ok, thx
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10:21<ikaros>hello all
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10:22<ikaros>how do i upgrade Debian Lenny to Debian Squeeze??
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10:22<ikaros>in Ubuntu, i can click the update button to upgrade my system and keep all my data
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10:24<moldovean>ikaros, /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze
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10:38<ikaros>is it a coomnand? moldovean
10:38<moldovean>put it here in irc
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10:39<ikaros>what's meaning, man?
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10:40<moldovean> /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze
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10:41<moldovean>dpkg, tell ikaros about lenny->squeeze
10:41<ikaros>no this operation
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10:48<recode>hey, how's everyone doing today?
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10:49<moldovean>404 users doing ok
10:49<ikaros>hello dpkg
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10:50<moldovean>dpkg, lenny->squeeze
10:50<dpkg>See <squeeze udev> you may need to upgrade your kernel from bpo first. Then remove any APT source specific to stable (such as volatile) or bpo, then s/lenny/squeeze/ on your sources.list and then aptitude update && aptitude install aptitude linux-image-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,'` ; reboot; aptitude safe-upgrade && aptitude full-upgrade. Also ask me about <d-d-a>, <apt-listchanges>, <testing>.
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10:50<moldovean>dpkg, squeeze udev
10:50<dpkg>As of <udev> 150 in squeeze, Linux kernel 2.6.27 or newer is required (i.e. upgrade kernel and udev at the same time). If udev installation fails and you already have a squeeze kernel installed, then reboot into the new kernel and "aptitude -f install ; aptitude safe-upgrade" to continue. See also <squeeze kernel>, <kernel abi>, http://bugs.debian.org/571255
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10:50<moldovean>ikaros, ^^
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10:52<ikaros>it looks like a huge processes
10:52<jpinx-eeepc>moldovean: happy with the new factoids ? ;)
10:52<jpinx-eeepc>ikaros: it's not that bad, but you do need to follow the guide carefully
10:53<ikaros>btw how do i search the APT source address in internet??
10:53<jpinx-eeepc>!sources
10:53<dpkg>The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian lenny main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <lenny security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list
10:53<ikaros>thank you dpkg, jpinx-eeepc
10:53<moldovean>jpinx-eeepc, i don't see why use bpo , but other vice seems ok
10:54<jpinx-eeepc>moldovean: if you are running lenny then bpo is the easiest kernel upgrade option
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10:55<moldovean>but, not convinced (me)
10:55<ikaros>if i wanna find other mirror address, how to do it easily, dpkg?
10:56<jpinx-eeepc>!mirrors
10:56<dpkg>debian mirrors is probably http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-spy> or <netselect-apt> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ or http://lists.debian.org/debian-mirrors/, see also <debmirror>, <apt-mirror>, <mirror size>.
10:56<moldovean>!apt-spy
10:56<dpkg>a secret! Shh! 'Mirror, mirror, on the wall... who is the fastest of them all?' Note that it will overwrite your sources.list when finished, so (1) cp /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.mybak (2) apt-get install apt-spy (3) apt-spy update; apt-spy -d [stable,testing,unstable] -a [Africa,Asia,Europe,North-America,Oceania,South-America] (4) fix your sources.list by adding back in any other mirrors you had been using.
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11:30<lj1488>I think I broke something... which would be fine if I knew how I broke it but...
11:30<lj1488>little help?
11:31<lj1488>Failed to contact configuration server; some possible causes are that you need to enable TCP/IP networking for ORBit, or you have stale NFS locks due to a system crash. See http://projects.gnome.org/gconf/ for information. (Details - 1: Failed to get connection to session: Did not receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application did not send a reply, the message bus security policy blocked the reply, the repl
11:31<lj1488>y timeout expired, or the network connection was broken.)
11:31<lj1488>Failed to contact configuration server; some possible causes are that you need to enable TCP/IP networking for ORBit, or you have stale NFS locks due to a system crash. See http://projects.gnome.org/gconf/ for
11:32<lj1488>Thats what I get when I launch root terminal
11:33<jordanm>lj1488: what version of debian?
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11:33<lj1488>lenny
11:34<jordanm>lj1488: paste: apt-cache policy; apt-cache policy libc6 gconf2
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11:36<lj1488>Package files:
11:36<lj1488> 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
11:36<lj1488> release a=now
11:36<lj1488> 500 http://dl.google.com stable/main Packages
11:36<lj1488> release v=1.0,o=Google, Inc.,a=stable,l=Google,c=main
11:36-!-lj1488 was kicked from #debian by debhelper [use the paster bot or #flood]
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11:36<lj1488> 500 http://dl.google.com stable/non-free Packages
11:36<lj1488> release v=1.0,o=Google, Inc.,a=stable,l=Google,c=non-free
11:36<lj1488> origin dl.google.com
11:36<lj1488> 500 http://www.debian-multimedia.org lenny/non-free Translation-en_US
11:36<lj1488> 500 http://www.debian-multimedia.org lenny/non-free Packages
11:36<lj1488> release v=5.0r0,o=Unofficial Multimedia Packages,a=stable,l=Unofficial Multimedia Packages,c=non-free
11:36<lj1488> origin www.debian-multimedia.org
11:36<lj1488> 500 http://www.debian-multimedia.org lenny/main Translation-en_US
11:36<lj1488> 500 http://www.debian-multimedia.org lenny/main Packages
11:36<lj1488> release v=5.0r0,o=Unofficial Multimedia Packages,a=stable,l=Unofficial Multimedia Packages,c=main
11:36<lj1488> origin www.debian-multimedia.org
11:37<lj1488> 1 http://www.backports.org lenny-backports/non-free Packages
11:37<lj1488> release v=None,o=Backports.org archive,a=lenny-backports,l=Backports.org archive,c=non-free
11:37<lj1488> origin www.backports.org
11:37<lj1488> 1 http://www.backports.org lenny-backports/contrib Packages
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11:37<lj1488> release v=None,o=Backports.org archive,a=lenny-backports,l=Backports.org archive,c=contrib
11:37<lj1488> origin www.backports.org
11:37<lj1488> 1 http://www.backports.org lenny-backports/main Packages
11:37<lj1488> release v=None,o=Backports.org archive,a=lenny-backports,l=Backports.org archive,c=main
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11:37<lj1488> origin www.backports.org
11:37<lj1488> 500 http://volatile.debian.org lenny/volatile/main
11:37<lj1488>whoops
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11:37<Maulkin>!tell lj1488 about pastebin
11:38<jordanm>lj1488: please provide that full output in a pastebin, like the bot PM'
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11:41<lj1488>http://paste.debian.net/82724/
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11:50<jla>Is there a package in debian that will parse a single apache common log format file and spit out a summary to the console? I don't want a web stats package (eg webalizer, awwful, etc), just a simple command line single-file sumarizer to look for stuff like bandwith usage per log or to count the ip's.
11:50<jla>If I had a tool to slice it up nicely I could use sort and stuff to do the rest, but the log files aren't cut friendly
11:51<poisonbit>cat file | perl -lane '#do what you wnat with @F'
11:51<poisonbit>@F is a list with the words of each line
11:51<poisonbit>$F[1] $F[2] etc
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11:52<jla>I'd like [10/Aug/2010:09:37:38 -0600] in one field and "POST /url HTTP/1.1" in another, etc
11:52<lj1488>Everything I am reading says others with similar problems as mine were only solved by a clean install
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12:21<johnfg>hi guys
12:23<johnfg>Is there a more recent version of wordpress than what's available standard for lenny?
12:23<johnfg>I'm not sure how to search for it if there is.
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12:25<jla>johnfg: packages in the stable dist don't normally "upgrade" versions over their life. You can get the latest from the source and manage it yourself or check if someone has backported it
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12:32<johnfg>jla, Thanks. How can I find out if wordpress is in backports already?
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12:33<old>johnfg: judd says it's not.
12:33<jla>johnfg: well, you could search backports.org to see if someone has shared it there, or search generally for something like: wordpress 3.0.1 debian package
12:33<rpetre>http://packages.qa.debian.org/w/wordpress.html - it isn't
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12:34<johnfg>ok, thanks old and jla
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13:11<gabrbedd>Does anyone know why update-rc.d totally ignores the LSB headers?
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13:23<micachan>hallo
13:24<micachan>is someone here how speek German ?
13:24<Lethalman>!de
13:24<dpkg>Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de).
13:24<micachan>^^ thxx
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13:25<mmestnik>http://wiki.debian.org/LSBInitScripts/DependencyBasedBoot
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13:32<mmestnik>Hehe, the part about /usr being on NFS is funny. I reported problems using splashy when /usr was on another file system and I was told that it's an error to have /usr on a different partition from /etc... and I think splashy still fails to work in that case.
13:34<mmestnik>I'd like to see a decision on this issue. I'd imagine there'd be much argument... Perhaps a vote(or policy change) is in order.
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13:44<asdf123>What's the difference between squeeze and SID? If I want have a system with new packages (I know Debian prefer stable releases, but I want use the new versions) to use with Desktop, what debian version I can get?
13:45<jordanm>asdf123: /msg dpkg testing /msg dpkg unstable
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14:03<old>mmestnik: What's wrong about having a separate partition for /usr?
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14:07<asdf123>jordanm ty!
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14:09<asdf123>mmestnik: I can't answer your question with the accuracy you want, but I ask why have a /usr partition if your system will not work if you lost / or lost only /usr?
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14:10<asdf123>mmestnik: See, I think have /usr separated only if there are some data there you need backup (wirh raid, for example) separated, or info you need umount separated some time, of something like this
14:11<jordanm>asdf123: you can atleast repair system without a /usr partition
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14:12<rpetre>on a FHS-complying system usr can be mounted read-only (and perhaps shared with other systems)
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14:13<asdf123>rpetre: What's FHS?
14:13<rpetre>!fhs
14:13<dpkg>Debian follows the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard. The filesystem is categorized by purpose, not application. This allows, for example, the easy and efficient deployment of a read-only /usr area across a number of thin clients. See http://www.pathname.com/fhs/ or install the 'debian-policy' package (/usr/share/doc/debian-policy/fhs/*), or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_Hierarchy_Standard
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14:15<asdf123>Thanks for support! :D
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14:20<nathan>hi, i'm using latest release of Debian with the kde desktop environment but when i do a lspci | grep audo, it don't return anything... my sound card is not detected?
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14:21<nathan>remember, with my last installation of debian, i had no problem with sound (but i used gnome).
14:21<retrospectacus>you put audio not audo right?
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14:21<pinger>nathan: use grep -i
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14:22<nathan>pinger, ho... yeah thanks. So, it return : 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 03). I have to install alsa toolkit now?
14:23<retrospectacus>DE def. has no effect on lspci
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14:26<Justin_A>nathan: what does aplay -l say
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14:27<nathan>Justin_A, http://pastebin.com/upH7wKJm
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14:27<melchor>dude...I am using a linux instance on a thumbdrive...how can I install a movie player with limited space?
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14:27<nathan>i downloaded alsa and alsatools. I tried to use alsamixer to increase volume but it didn't work
14:28<Justin_A>!+didn't work
14:28<dpkg>Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions> and <errors>.
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14:29<melchor>i installed dragon player and I can't locate it now....
14:29<melchor>what gives?
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14:31<nathan>Justin_A, i have no sound. Installing alsa tools seem don t change anything. I ve installed alsa and alsa-tools and alsa-utils packages.
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14:31<Justin_A>nathan: most likely you have a volume problem. try increasing every slider and toggling every setting
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14:33<nathan>Justin_A, in alsamixer, the <Master> is on max
14:34<Justin_A>nathan: PCM?
14:34<melchor>Justin_A: I'm using backtrack4 on a thumbdrive....when I install a package...I'm curious as to where it went or where did it get installed?
14:34<Justin_A>melchor: ram
14:35<melchor>hmmm...how can I put it to use from there?
14:35<nathan>PCM is also on max, yes. But both of 00 or MM don't appear under the PCM slider. It s right?
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14:36<Justin_A>melchor: huh?
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14:37<melchor>the movie application I downloaded and installed.....where did it go and why can't I see it in the lists of multimedia apps?
14:37<melchor>where do I get it from?
14:37<melchor>if it's in RAM or it got installed in RAM...how do I access the application to watch a dvd movie from my dvd drive?
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14:38<Justin_A>melchor: what did you install?
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14:38<Justin_A>melchor: MM means muted. you shouldnt have any MMs
14:38<melchor>huh?
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14:38<Justin_A>er, wrong person
14:39<melchor>I downloaded dragon player
14:39<Justin_A>did you use apt-get?
14:39<melchor>yes...
14:39<melchor>apt-get install dragon player
14:40<melchor>it went through all the motions and even gave me a confirmation that the install was completed...
14:40<Justin_A>that would have told you that there is no such package called dragon and player
14:40<melchor>now I can't find where it is....
14:40<melchor>weired...huh?
14:40<melchor>no..not 'dragon and player'...dragon player...
14:41<Justin_A>'dragon player' is dragon and player
14:41<Justin_A>unless you actually typed dragonplayer
14:41<melchor>hmmm...
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14:41<melchor>brb...
14:41<Justin_A>http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/i386/dragonplayer/filelist indicates that the name of the binary is dragon
14:41<Justin_A>try just running that
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14:41<Justin_A>it should show up in the menus, but the image you are running might be doing something weird
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14:45<nathan>Justin_A, so... PCM is on top. It's good? :D
14:46<Justin_A>nathan: you fixed it?
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14:47<nathan>Justin_A, nop... i really don't understand why i'm not able to heard anything. Card sound is detected. PCM and Master are on max and not muted...
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14:47<Justin_A>nathan: sometimes there are other settings that need to be changed.. some cards have an external amp toggle that needs to be on or off
14:48<Justin_A>i had one card that had a '3d' sound setting that caused it to be muted when enabled
14:50<nathan>Justin_A, where i can found this settings? The most wired is that when i used gnome, i had no problem... And i think it's because the gnome package maybe contain needed package for my sound system. You don't think so?
14:50<Justin_A>no
14:51<Justin_A>alsamixer will show the settings
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14:56<nathan>Justin_A, yeah i m on alsamixer but i don't know what i should set...
14:56<dominick>Hi! I'm using squeeze 2.6.32. I installed the NVidia driver, by blacklisting the noveau driver. Now I'm using compiz and none of the 3D effects work, so I suspect NVidia driver isn't running. How do I find out?
14:56<Justin_A>nathan: try changing everything
14:57<Justin_A>dominick: read the X log, run glxinfo
14:57<nathan>Justin_A, IT WORK :D In fact, i tinkering with everything ^^
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14:58<nathan>Justin_A, nice advice :p
14:58<Justin_A>nathan: which setting was it?
14:58<nathan>Justin_A, i think it was <Front> setting
14:58<Justin_A>nathan: lol!
14:58<Justin_A>nathan: yeah, front is kind of important
14:59<nathan>Justin_A, thanks ;)
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15:00<dominick>Justin_A, here's the output of glxinfo: http://paste.debian.net/82750/ what information should I be looking at?
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15:01<Justin_A>dominick: that looks ok actually, it's lines 3 and 4
15:01<Justin_A>dominick: check the X log
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15:03<chealer>dominick: you're using the nvidia driver.
15:03<dominick>!hi
15:03<dpkg>hello, dominick
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15:04<dominick>okay, thanks. But how do I check the X Log just in case I want to?
15:05<dominick>is it /var/log/Xorg.0.log?
15:08<chealer>dominick: yes
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15:10<dominick>solved! everything seems to be working fine. 3D Windows for some reason doesn't work with Horizontal Virtual Size 2 in compiz. For any greater value, it works fine!
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15:10<inocid>I'm having difficultes with my keyboard. In the console it works fine. I installed xorg and jwm (joe's window manager). When I launch startx and use xterm, my Alt Gr combinations (for example pipe or at sign) don't work (I have a Swiss keyboard). On another machine I have Gnome and in Gnome terminal the keyboard works fine. I compared the xorg.conf file on the other machine and the keyboard
15:10<inocid>specific details match. Any suggestions?
15:11<jordanm>!tell inocid about cross-post
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15:11<inocid>sorry
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15:14<yfk>is a x86 phone a good idea?
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15:17<sdk>Quick question.. trying to locate a client and server for the Asian game 'Big Deuce' or Choi Dai Di, occasionally mislabeled as '13 card'.
15:17<sdk>Can't find a package in packages.debian.org, but thought it may be as part of another package.
15:17<jordanm>!tell sdk about apt-file
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15:23<sdk>jordanm: well, didn't turn up the object of my search, but one hell of a handy util.
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15:25<sdk>jordanm: Thanks, by the way.
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15:27<dupondje>Warning: group `hosting' has no more members. => but still 10 members or so ... bug ?
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15:37<sdk>Hrm, yet another question. My nanny is Cantonese and does not have a computer. Her daughter has one, but she is leaving for college in September. My nanny also does not speak much english, and can read less. I have an old(er) laptop I will be building for her to use for the basics..web, email, that's probably about it. Is there a way for me to install Debian in English and convert it in one fell swoop to Cantonese/Mandarin/Simplifie
15:38<sdk>Sorry about the run-on there.. I guess more to the point, has anyone actually /done/ it?
15:40<dondelelcaro>sdk: it's certainly possible, and it can be done
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15:41<dondelelcaro>sdk: I haven't done it myself, but it should "just work" if you install the appropriate language desktop task and make sure to set LANG appropriately
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15:42<sdk>dondelelcaro: well, I'll give it a try. I won't be taking it on for a few weeks, just got out of surgery, but i'll do a little write up for TLDP.
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15:43<sdk>The trick is going to be installing in English then installing the desktop task and setting 'LANG'... we shall see.
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15:44<sdk>dondelelcaro: thanks for the tip tho'.
15:44<dondelelcaro>sdk: that's actually pretty easy; you just set it in the user's ~/.profile or similar
15:45<dondelelcaro>sdk: the main thing is getting all of the right language packages installed so that as many things as possible are translated
15:45<dondelelcaro>(and that's hard, because I don't know what they are for every language, but the language desktop tasks do a pretty good job)
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15:46<sdk>dondelelcaro: OOHH.. I see.. there's not a unified 'chose this language' install, it's a matter of installing in english, installing the packages in chinese then setting the env. I get it.
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15:46<dondelelcaro>sdk: there is a unified "choose this language" install too, but that's literally what the "choose this language" install does
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15:47<sdk>lemme see if there's a meta package for the desktop.. that'd be great, if I could have the underlying system in english and the interface(s) in Chinese, so I could admin it if I had to.
15:48<dondelelcaro>sdk: it'll always be available in english; you just set LANG=C, and do whatever you want
15:48<dondelelcaro>the base for every package is english; the other translations are an addendum
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15:52<sdk>whew.. thanks dondelelcaro. Percs hittin hard.. nap time. frustrating.. pain or stupor. feh.. bbl. Peace.
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16:07<jthomas_sb_>!squeeze
16:07<dpkg>Squeeze is the codename for the next release, Debian GNU/Linux 6.0. It is the three-eyed space alien. Ask me about <wwsr> for recent updates and see also <testing> <squeeze udev> <squeeze kernel> <lenny->squeeze> http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSqueeze . The Debian release is not to be confused with the <Xfce> archive manager.
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16:13<Cefi>Hello
16:13<old>Cefi: Hello.
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16:15<Cefi>I've got problems with my iceweasel. almost everytime i go e.g. to youtube it crashes. Well... I reinstalled flash but with no succes.
16:16<Cefi>now i startet it in a terminal and got this: firefox-bin:19493): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_drag_set_icon_pixbuf: assertion `GDK_IS_DRAG_CONTEXT (context)' failed
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16:16<Cefi>does anybody have an idea what to do!?
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16:17<Cefi>i also asked google but I don't really get helpful anwers
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16:18<blarson>Cefi: What version of debian? What arch?
16:18<Cefi>sorry..
16:18<Cefi>i use lenny
16:18<old>Cefi: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=478816
16:19<Cefi>i386
16:19<old>Cefi: Probably you just need to upgrade iceweasel.
16:21<old>Cefi: Wait... This bug is really old. Which version of iceweasel you use?
16:21<inocid>In my X system (joe's window manager and xterm) my Alt Gr key doesn't work. However it does work if I press a key after launching startx. If I just wait for X to load it doesn't work at all. Any suggestions?
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16:25<old>Is there a quick way to locate a kernel option responsible for compiling given module?
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16:27<Cefi>sorry - I was afk
16:27<jordanm>old: it often includes the module name in the option. you can use "/" to search menuconfig
16:27<Cefi>I use iceweasel 3.0.6-3
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16:29<retrospectacus>,versions iceweasel
16:29<judd>iceweasel -- etch: 2.0.0.19-0etch1; etch-security: 2.0.0.19-0etch1; lenny: 3.0.6-3; lenny-security: 3.0.6-3; lenny-backports: 3.5.11-1~bpo50+1; sid: 3.5.11-1; squeeze: 3.5.11-1; experimental: 3.6.7-1
16:29<Cefi>lenny i386
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16:31<old>jordanm: Great. Somehow I missed that while reading help. Thank you.
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16:32<old>Cefi: Maybe you could try the backported one?
16:33<jordanm>old: "/" tends to be the universal TUI search key\
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16:33<Cefi>old: I try it
16:33<Cefi>Thank you
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16:36<old>jordanm: Right. I just wasn't aware menuconfig supports it – I haven't even try to use it. ;-)
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16:42<old>jordanm: Unfortunately I failed to find i810_rng module with it, because it searches names only and not the description.
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17:04<Cefi>so
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17:05<Cefi>well now i installed the backported one version of iceweasel. but... i don't have any version of iceweasel anymore
17:05<Cefi>or...
17:05<Cefi>i can't find it no more
17:05<Cefi>or..
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17:09<wnd>avi2raw used to be part of mpeg4ip-utils in debian-multimedia. mpeg4ip-utils is long gone and replaced by mp4-utils, but avi2raw is no longer part of it. Suggestions for replacement? My grand plan is to recode mjpeg-video (in avi-container) and uncompressed audio into mpeg4-video + vorbis-audio in matroska, and my old script depends on avi2raw.
17:10<wnd>umm, h264, not mpeg4
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17:12<wnd>All this in sid/experimental. I don't mind getting rid of this horrible script, so replacements are welcome.
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17:14<old>Cefi: Are you sure it was successfuly installed?
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17:15<redmage>How do I tell apt-get to stop looking on the DVDs for software packages and instead go to the usual respositories?
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17:16<s_i_m>redmage, comment out the dvd line in /etc/apt/sources.list
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17:16<s_i_m>and do apt-get update
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17:16<s_i_m>i guess, you already have the repos listed there?
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17:19<Cefi>old well - dpkg -l | grep iceweasel should get me the installed version of iceweasel, no?
17:20<s_i_m>apt-cache policy iceweasel
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17:23<Cefi>okay
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17:24<cristian>hola
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17:24<GCS>Hi!
17:25<Cefi>well.
17:25<GCS>Anyone know how can I get sqlite3 docs?
17:25<cristian>d eqe pai eres
17:25<s_i_m>!es
17:25<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat
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17:26<cristian_>hello
17:27<s_i_m>evening
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17:27<Cefi>if i install the backported version with dpkg it doesn't work. if i use apt-get then it installs iceweasel 3.0.6-3 0 and not the backported one
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17:28<mju>Cefi: use apt-get / aptitude to install backports, not dpkg
17:28<Cefi>I did
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17:28<streuner_>Cefi: read instructions of backport.org again
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17:32<Cefi>Are there any instructions?
17:32<Cefi>I can't find there anything
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17:32<themill>Cefi: there's a link to "Instructions"
17:33<Cefi>mh
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17:34<Cefi>All I get at backport.org is an advertising site
17:34<Cefi>okay
17:34<Cefi>missing s
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17:35<s_i_m>GCS, apt-get install sqlite3-doc
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17:40<Cefi>okay
17:40<Cefi>i got it
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17:40<Cefi>Thank you - i think it works now
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17:41<Cefi>I'm totally confused today...
17:41<Cefi>Thanks!
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17:43<GCS><s_i_m>: I mean the newest one from the Fossil SCM.
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17:44<s_i_m>i guess, that is available online, is not it?
17:45<GCS>The Fossil source, yes.
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17:45<GCS>But I can't make the HTML output. :(
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18:15<sander_>Can anyone recommend any program I can create playlists of music videos with?
18:15<locklace>vi
18:15<sander_>For directly playback..
18:15<retrospectacus>vi
18:16<blarson>emacs
18:16<retrospectacus>ls *.mpg > play.pls && totem play.pls
18:16<locklace>!start an editor war
18:16<dpkg>zile bites.
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18:16<sander_> I've used vi long enough to know its limits when it comes to the grafical userinterface
18:17<sander_>I want something grafical.
18:17<retrospectacus>vlc ?
18:17<locklace>no accounting for taste
18:18<sander_>Ive tried xbmc.. but not good for creating playlists.
18:18<sander_>Let me try vlc
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18:18<retrospectacus>srsly though, ls *.mpg > play.pls
18:18<retrospectacus>bam you have a playlist
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18:19<sander_>Its not easy to make people on a party choose which video to play.. with ls
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18:20<blarson>So use echo *
18:20<retrospectacus>how is a "grafical" playlist more readable than ls
18:21<retrospectacus>either way is a list of file names
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18:21<sparky4>excuse me
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18:21<sparky4>I am running Debian on a system with 32MB of ram....
18:21<sparky4>is there anyway i can optimize it?
18:22<retrospectacus>sparky4: don't install a graphical environment, or... anything
18:22<jpinx-eeepc>sparky4: the base system without x will work there
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18:25<old>sparky4: If you need X, install a lightweight environment, or none at all.
18:26<sparky4>old: XFCE 4 is not light ....
18:26<s_i_m>sparky4, you may also try installing an older release to it. for example, once i was running sarge in 8Mb of RAM.
18:26<sparky4>s_i_m: more secrity bugs
18:26<jpinx-eeepc>sparky4: lxde
18:26<sparky4>ok
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18:27<fusionx>hi guys
18:27<old>sparky4: XFCE is not light enough. I use it on 1GiB of RAM. :P Try LXDE or compose your own set of window manager + panel.
18:27<fusionx>i got here through irssi
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18:28<sparky4>If i compose my own .... it whould be Very Windows 1.01 like
18:29<s_i_m>and why not?
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18:31<jpinx-eeepc>sparky4: you can live with just openbox
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18:31<sparky4>ok
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18:31<sparky4>this is a 166MHz Pentium 1 MMX
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18:32<petemc>old school
18:32<s_i_m>that is a powerful machine =)
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18:32<sparky4>s_i_m: it is my weakest ^^
18:32<petemc>the electricity that thing uses would probably pay for a new machine in no time
18:32<old>Eh... Good old days.
18:32<s_i_m>yeah.
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18:33<s_i_m>I think when when I finally switched from Slackware to Debian it was on an i486 DX2
18:34<sparky4>http://4ch.irc.su:88/ <- this is my Pentium 1 MMx with 128MB of RAM
18:34<sparky4>it is an IRC server and a EMAIL server
18:34<weasel>Tokens ProductOnly really should be default
18:35<sparky4>I do not know how to use git
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18:37<jpinx-eeepc>sparky4: nor do I ;)
18:37<sparky4>nobody dose ....
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18:41<srbaker>heya folks
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18:42<srbaker>anyone know of a process that will monitor memory usage for, say, a minute, and report the peak memory usage of a process in that time?
18:42<srbaker>do i have to write it myself?
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18:45<s_i_m>streuner_, look for some profiler: apt-cahe search profiler
18:45<bremner>gnu time, I think
18:45<srbaker>time will tell me memory?
18:46<srbaker>because that's exactly what we want, time for memory
18:46<srbaker>but the manpage doesn't indicate it will
18:46<s_i_m>well, accordingly to man M Maximum resident set size of the process during its lifetime, in Kilobytes.
18:46<s_i_m>this is interesting, i was not aware of that actually
18:47<srbaker>uh
18:47<srbaker>oh!
18:47<srbaker>i wasn't using gnu time
18:47<srbaker>heh
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18:47<FusionX>g2g
18:47<FusionX>how do i go back to ssh on irssi?
18:48<blarson>FusionX: /quit
18:49<petemc>you should run it under screen so you can do both
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19:02<GhostlyDeath>Is there a way to see what an upgrade of all packages to squeeze will do without actually downloading anything and installing it and not changing sources.list?
19:02<retrospectacus>not without changing sources.list
19:03<GhostlyDeath>figured
19:04<retrospectacus>but you can apt-get -s full-upgrade (-s == No action, perform a simulation of events that would occur)
19:04<jpinx-eeepc>!teññ GhostlyDeath about lenny->squeeze
19:04<jpinx-eeepc>!tell GhostlyDeath about lenny->squeeze
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19:05*moldovean like thai signs 'ññ'
19:06<GhostlyDeath>jpinx-eeepc: Can I install the bpo kernel and then upgrade to squeeze without loading the bpo kernel?
19:06<GhostlyDeath>Says if it fails but that's an if so it might not happen
19:07<moldovean>GhostlyDeath, what else ?
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19:07<GhostlyDeath>If it fails to restart
19:07<GhostlyDeath>But it says that it might not fail
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19:26<mercutio22>I am having some trouble with my audio device not being recognized. Should I go to a #ALSA channel or ask here
19:26<mercutio22>?
19:27<retrospectacus>!alsa checklist
19:27<dpkg>1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 2) use alsamixer and unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels & toggle jack sense) 3) arts or esound stopped? 4) OSS modules unloaded? 5) speakers on? 6) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 7) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? Test your sound with aplay and a wav so codec issues don't confuse the situation. See also <list alsa users>.
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19:32<mercutio22>retrospectacus: thanks, for the checklist. I did some reaserach already. My onboard audio card actually works, what I want to do is route audio via nVidia GPU using the HDMI cable. http://debian.pastebin.com/1YFrxNd5
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19:34<mercutio22>The nvidia device apparently is not recognized by alsa
19:35<retrospectacus>I tried and failed once before to get audio to output to HDMI, I think it was Intel though, onboard hdmi
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19:37<retrospectacus>you may try alsamixer -c1 or -c0 or -c2 etc. to control different cards
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19:46<dpkg><jelly-home> zarnozC: never mind. pastebin the output of ssh -vvv servername <zarnozC> http://pastebin.ca/1018307 [ssh: servername: Name or service not known] <zarnozC> jelly-home: SHould I replace servername with something?
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20:07<GhostlyDeath>sney: the mknod for block devices works, major is always 8 and minor is 16 * (a - a)
20:07<GhostlyDeath>sney: and partitions are offsets
20:07<GhostlyDeath>sney: Upgrading to squeeze however so we'll see
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20:09<GhostlyDeath>How long does safe-upgrade take? There's already 27k open, 50k closed, 100 defered, 500 conflicts
20:10<abrotman>it depends on the system
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23:17<twb>What's the URL I go to to turn a PCI(-E) ID into a driver name?
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23:17<twb>http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/
23:17<twb>(It was !lspci, not !pciids)
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23:32<NickyP>I installed squeeze from DVD because of only a wireless connection. I am now connected via wireless.
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23:36<NickyP>i commented out the cdrom lines in sources.list and set up to update via interent. aptitude update fetches the index and update properly. aptitude upgrade always reports 0 packages to update. Waht is the proper procedure to set the system to update and upgrade over the net?
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23:37<kenyon>NickyP: that sounds right to me. what if you do aptitude full-upgrade?
23:37<twb>If it was a daily DVD, there might not BE any updates
23:38<kenyon>indeed. also, there is apt-show-versions -u
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23:39<NickyP>same thing 0 packages. I got the images from the weekly that is a week old now.
23:40<kenyon>well, if you just installed and have a very minimal system, there still might not be any upgrades
23:40<NickyP>i it possible with the freeze that there are no upgrades to complete.
23:41<kenyon>yes
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23:42<NickyP>ok I think ill kick this can down the road until next week.
23:44<NickyP>The install referenced the first 3 DVD's only.
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