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01:04<smv>any idea what is this 'Comunity Maintained (installed)' thing that come in sid's synaptic? altough is quite funny to see such a (odd) thing i wonder if was intended or not. :))
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01:30<chealer>smv: where?
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01:30<smv>chealer, in Custom filters
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01:32<smv>was it there before and i just missed it?
01:32<twb>I'm deploying a production router/modem running on a soekris with a "solos" ADSL modem card.
01:32<twb>This requires 2.6.29 to support; is it a sane to deploy lenny with a bpo kernel?
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01:34<chealer>smv: I don't see such a filter
01:36<smv>chealer, http://picpaste.com/CapturAe_-ecran.png
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01:38<jm_>twb: worked fine for me
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01:43<twb>jm_: thanks.
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01:48<smv>is it normal for a package from main to recommend one from non-free?
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01:48<twb>I don't think so.
01:49<chealer>smv: oh, so you mean the one uploaded yesterday?
01:49<smv>chealer, yup
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01:53<chealer>smv: I don't know. for the recommendation: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-archive.html#s-main
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01:53<smv>gscan2pdf, which is in main, recommends cuneiform which is in non-free. it's been like that for some time
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01:54<smv>ya, just like i thought. "must not declare a [...] "Recommends" [...] relationship on a non-main package"
01:55<chealer>smv: http://qa.debian.org/debcheck.php?dist=unstable&package=gscan2pdf
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01:57<PhatDoan>hi
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01:57<smv>chealer, good. no need to file a bug then :)
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01:58<PhatDoan>somebody knows how can I change the black "X" cursor ?
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01:58<jm_>PhatDoan: yes
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01:58<Phat>jm: I've changed to another cursor theme
01:58<Phat>everythings works fine
01:59<Phat>exept for the black X cursor
01:59<Phat>it doesn't
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02:02<jm_>Phat: some applications can define their own cursors, is it the same with all?
02:02<Phat>for example, when I move the mouse into a text box, it changes to an icon of the letter 'I'. when I move it to the menu bar, it changes to the black "X"
02:02<Phat>yeah, it's the same with all
02:02<Phat>chrome, pidgin
02:03<Phat>even right after I startx
02:03<jm_>yeah it's the same here, if I move it to a window titlebar it becomes regular black arrow, as if theme didn't define one shape
02:04<jm_>or maybe it can't change that one, not sure - it never bothered me enough to investigate
02:04<Phat>yes
02:04<jm_>but menu bars have the new shape, at least for gtk apps
02:04<nobarking>hello all
02:04<Phat>but the annoying thing is it's not a black arrow as regular
02:05<nobarking>does anyone know if iceweasel is compiled with cairo enabled?
02:05<Phat>it's an "X" - like the "X" when you start X11 without any wm
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02:06<kenyon>nobarking: go to about:buildconfig
02:06<nobarking>kenyon: thanks!
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02:06<jm_>that's odd
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02:07<nobarking>kenyon: yes it is, but why is it that i still get poor font rendering?
02:08<nobarking>what do you guys use to get better font rendering on debian?
02:08<kenyon>nobarking: don't know, I suppose that depends on what you think is poor
02:09<kenyon>post a screenshot
02:09<smv>Phat, using gnome?
02:10<nobarking>ok give me a sec
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02:11<nobarking>kenyon: http://db.tt/b1PnHb Screenshot
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02:13<PhatDoan>oh, no I'm using xmonad
02:13<kenyon>nobarking: looks the same as mine, looks fine to me. looks about the same as your KDE fonts too
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02:13<PhatDoan>in fluxbox it's okay
02:13<nobarking>kenyon: it's pretty horrible on most sites
02:14<nobarking>i don't mean to compare it to ubuntu, but how is it that ubuntu gets smooth fonts out of the box?
02:14<PhatDoan>a thing I know is that xmonad doc. says that xmonad leave the mouse cursor stuff to X11 to deal with
02:14<nobarking>can't we achieve something similar in debian out of the box?
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02:15<nobarking>i heard they use proprietary anti-aliasing
02:15<ghostbar>how I'm supposed to change the font a tcl/tk app is using?
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02:16<nobarking>kenyon: http://db.tt/uP0ft7 here's another screenshot to demonstrate the rendering better
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02:18<kenyon>nobarking: ok, I guess you'll have to show me what Ubuntu looks like. your screenshot looks fine to m.
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02:19<nobarking>kenyon: you don't see the jagged fonts when the google search page is rendered?
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02:21<kenyon>nobarking: those fonts are antialiased
02:21<nobarking>kenyon: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=46550
02:22<nobarking>that posts shows it pretty well
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02:31<PhatDoan>oh man I figured it out
02:31<PhatDoan>xsetroot -cursor_name left_ptr did the tricks
02:31<twb>PhatDoan: I do that in my .xinitrc as a matter of course
02:32<PhatDoan>yeah, now I know that. It's because xmonad inherits the default cursor from X11
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02:32<twb>On a recent X, i.e. one with the -retro option, left_ptr should be the default behaviour.
02:33<PhatDoan>uhuh
02:34<twb>nobarking: those screenshots don't look jagged to me.
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02:35<nobarking>twb: that might add to the issue, what is good font rendering?
02:35<nobarking>i think it cloaks the whole dilemma or why we don't see something in debian
02:35<jm_>interesting that you need to run xsetroot -cursor_name by hand
02:35<twb>Good fonts are either well-drawn bitmap fonts rendered at the correct size, or properly hinted and antialiased outline fonts.
02:36<nobarking>it seems like ubuntu does patch certain libraries to get better rendering
02:36<twb>nobarking: I'm guessing you're running into the well-known problem of getting ghostscript fonts when the website asks for Microsoft fonts.
02:36<twb>nobarking: ghostscript (type1) fonts don't have hinting.
02:36<twb>http://bugs.debian.org/444811
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02:37<twb>More likely is that on Ubuntu you've managed to install ubuntu-restricted-extras, which installs Microsoft's outline fonts.
02:38<nobarking>twb: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=50742&start=0#p292091
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02:39<nobarking>twb you can get ms fonts with the non free repos on debian also
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02:39<twb>Yes, but IMO it's better to configure fontconfig to use *good* fonts when Arial, Times New Roman, etc. are requested.
02:39<jm_>there are web sites which show why windows font rendering is bad, I also find debian defaults nicer
02:39<CRashB4NDiC00T>hola?
02:39<CRashB4NDiC00T>hay algun latinoamericano por aqui?
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02:40<twb>jm_: debian defaults with, or without, gsfonts and ttcidthingy installed? ;-)
02:41<jm_>twb: I have both installed
02:41<kenyon>!tell CRashB4NDiC00T about es
02:41<nobarking>i usually try to substitute with redhat's alternative liberation fonts for those three fonts
02:41<CRashB4NDiC00T>i can read english
02:41<CRashB4NDiC00T>but it prefer spanish
02:42<twb>Humph
02:42<CRashB4NDiC00T>does anybody can help me to find a spanish channel?
02:42<twb>nobarking: anyway, that bug ticket explains how to ask fc-match what font it uses for a given requested font.
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02:46<jm_>twb: I see no mention of fc-match there
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02:59<nobarking>how do you restart x what are the new keys?
02:59<nobarking>print scrn?
02:59<nobarking>twb:
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03:14<smv>when i try to use the scanner with xsane i get this: Failed to open device `pixma:04A91709': Access to resource has been denied. what should i do?
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03:20<cahoot>you are member of scanner group?
03:20<smv>yup
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03:21<cahoot>usb device?
03:22<smv>Bus 001 Device 002: ID 04a9:1709 Canon, Inc. PIXMA MP150 Scanner
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03:23<pavi>!dpkg mencoder
03:23<dpkg>somebody said mencoder was not in Debian (see Debian bug #396954), but is available from the debian-multimedia.org repositories, ask me about <dmm>. For usage instructions, see http://www.mplayerhq.hu/DOCS/HTML/en/mencoder.html and http://www.mplayerhq.hu/DOCS/HTML/en/encoding-guide.html . Also ask me about <mplayer faq>.
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03:23<cahoot>check ownership/perms on /proc/bus/usb/001/002
03:23<pavi>why can't mencoder be debian non free ?
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03:24<pavi>Is there a movie encoding tool in debian repository ?
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03:24<pavi>!dpkg encoder
03:24<smv>cahoot, ls -al /proc/bus/usb/001/002 ls: cannot access /proc/bus/usb/001/002: No such file or directory
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03:26<smv>cahoot, i can use it as root though
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03:27*pavi adds debian multimedia repo as he has no choice in debian :(
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03:27<cahoot>smv: then it is a perms/ownership matter
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03:28<cahoot>smv: id confirms you are member of scannergroup?
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03:29<smv>uid=1001(smv) gid=100(users) groups=100(users),4(adm),20(dialout),21(fax),24(cdrom),25(floppy),26(tape),29(audio),30(dip),44(video),46(plugdev),104(scanner),105(lpadmin),112(netdev),114(fuse),118(powerdev)
03:29<jm_>are relevant device files owned and writable by scanner then?
03:30<smv>shouldn't they be by default? i didn't changed anything
03:30<nobarking>forgot to mention: twb, kenyon, jm_ thanks for your help
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03:35<smv>now this is odd. i just checked with a user that isn't a member of scanner group , and it worked.
03:37<cthuluh>I didn't follow your problem, but it looks funny 8)
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03:37<cahoot>and I can't find out what udevrule is responsible for scennerperms
03:39*smv brb
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03:42<smv>just like i thought. removed myself from scanner group and now xsane works. i tought it shouldn't. what's the point of that group then?
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03:44<the-dude>smv: I thinks saned uses it
03:45<cahoot>still - why would membership in scanner lock him out of scanneruse?
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03:49<twb>Didn't mencoder make it through NEW last month?
03:50<smv>the-dude, also there is a saned group. shouldn't saned use that one instead?
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03:52<jm_>twb: yup, it's in sid
03:52<jm_>and testing too it seems
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03:52<twb>So dpkg's entry is a bit wrong
03:53<jm_>!info mencoder
03:53<twb>I was referring to17:23 <dpkg> somebody said mencoder was not in Debian (see Debian bug #396954), but is available from the debian-multimedia.org repositories, ask me about <dmm>. For usage instructions, see http://www.mplayerhq.hu/DOCS/HTML/en/mencoder.html and http://www.mplayerhq.hu/DOCS/HTML/en/encoding-guide.html . Also ask me about <mplayer faq>.
03:53<dpkg>mencoder: (MPlayer's Movie Encoder), section video, is optional. Version: 2:1.0~rc3++final.dfsg1-1 (sid), Packaged size: 1536 kB, Installed size: 3420 kB
03:54<jm_>too much text to fix :)
03:54<twb>(As much as marillat's archive is useful, the sooner it's obsolete the better.)
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04:03<smv>for some reason i can't get any sound from the tvtuner, when is connected to the AUX port of the sound card. there isn't any hardware problem with the AUX port, or atleast wasn't some time ago when i had a chance to use it in windows, and i can get sound from the tvtuner if is connected to the CD port. any idea what should i do?
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04:04<cahoot>tried settings in alsamixer?
04:05<smv>they seem to be fine there. aux is unmuted and maxed
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04:09<twb>smv: try it again after rebooting into single-user mode. Some crazy shite like pulseaudio might be hijacking the sound system
04:10<jm_>:)
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04:13<smv>no pulseaudio here. only alsa. there is a options bt87x index=-2 line in /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf though. might that one disable the sound from the tvtuner? though i also have a blacklist bt878 line in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf because it shouldn't be that one loaded but bttv, for which i have a options bttv card=34 tuner=56 radio=0 chroma_agc=1 line in /etc/modprobe.d/bttv.conf
04:13<twb>smv: no idea
04:14<twb>I lost interest in FM (i.e. TV) tuner when I realized that the electrical noise from the rest of the system was non-trivial to isolate out
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04:23<harpal>in aptitude it shows upgradable packages, whats that, when I install some packages it shows that packages put at hold..
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04:24<blarson>smv: some audio systems multiplex input and output lines, and not all linux drivers know how to set them correctly. The mic input on one laptop I have is useless for that reason.
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04:26<cahoot>blarson: would that explain why he gets sound if he connects to cd input but not aux?
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04:30<blarson>cahoot: if the aux input is multiplexed but the cd isn't, yes.
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05:27<KPOBa>ояебу
05:27<KPOBa>куды я блять попал
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05:27<jm_>!ru
05:27<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net. or use English here.
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06:25<zeroXten>is it normal for "Inactive" to be close to "MemTotal" (in /proc/meminfo)? free is reporting high memory usage (not in cache/buffers) but there don't seem to be any user processes using it. Any hints on further investigation?
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06:29<s_i_m>zeroXten, pastebin your /proc/meminfo
06:30<zeroXten>s_i_m: http://pastebin.org/478560
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06:33<bosam>hey guys
06:33<bosam>i'm looking for someone who can help me out
06:33<s_i_m>zeroXten, it is normal.
06:33<zeroXten>ah ok
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06:33<s_i_m>this memory can be reclaimed
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06:34<bosam>it concerns iptables, a VPN (PPP) and some RDP
06:34<bosam>anyone's interested?
06:34<s_i_m>bosam, ask your question
06:34<zeroXten>s_i_m: would free report it in the buffers/cache section?
06:35<s_i_m>zeroXten, can you show me also its output?
06:35<zeroXten>k
06:35<zeroXten>s_i_m: http://pastebin.org/478569
06:35<bosam>okay, to be simple: one debian server accessible from outside bridge a vpn (ppp) with my computer, when iptables is off, i can RDP a computer on my local network, when it's on, i cannot
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06:36<bosam>i added a few rules to accept everything from the ppp0 interface but no results
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06:36<bosam>i opened the concerned port which is 3389 for listening
06:37<bosam>but as simple as that it won't let me access my computers while connected thru ppp
06:38<bosam>oh and before i forgot, even if it's pointless to say, only the server is debian, the computers are windows which use the Remote Access Thingy from M$
06:39<s_i_m>zeroXten, hm, actually i do not see why free reports so much used memory in your case. but Inactive should really mean reclaimable memory. I would trust /proc/info
06:39<s_i_m>meminfo*
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06:42<s_i_m>zeroXten, check this memo, for example: http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/enterprise/RHEL-4-Manual/en-US/Reference_Guide/s2-proc-meminfo.html
06:42<zeroXten>s_i_m: thanks, reading that now
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06:57<s_i_m>bosam, to which chain you add your rules?
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07:15<ComradeHaz`>Hello all, I need to make an exact copy of a failed HDD that does not contain filesystems readable by linux in any meaningful way. My intention was to use dd_rescue but I cannot quite work out how to do it. Can anyone advise, please?
07:16<jm_>how will the image help if linux can't read it?
07:17<jm_>its usage is quite simple though, just specify disk device for input and outfile I guess
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07:18<ComradeHaz`>well, I wish to copy from one disk to another of equal capcity
07:18<ComradeHaz`>the disk is out of a Sky+ box
07:18<ComradeHaz`>(Satelite TV box)
07:19<jm_>find disk devices first
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07:21<jm_>grep '.' /sys/block/*/device/model
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07:27<ComradeHaz`>Hmm, jm, I don't follow. What do you mean?
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07:27<jm_>ComradeHaz`: that shall help you identify which disk has given device
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07:28<ComradeHaz`>Trying to put together what you're saying with my googlings and failing....
07:28<ComradeHaz`>Oh, I know what device it is.
07:28<ComradeHaz`>I need to coppy /dev/sdc to /dev/sdb
07:29<ComradeHaz`>but as I say, I don't see how to tell it to just copy it bit by bit rather than trying to do anything more clever with partitions and filesystems I doubt it will be able to understand.
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07:30<jm_>ok make sure to double check device names
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07:30<jm_>dd_rescue /dev/sdc /dev/sdb
07:31<harpal>how to download deb package with its dependencies using apt-get or aptitude?
07:32<ComradeHaz`>is it really as trivial as that, jm_?!
07:32<ComradeHaz`>OK, awesome, cheers.
07:32<ComradeHaz`>Does the destination drive need to be blank?
07:33<ComradeHaz`>and what about if I want it to be resumable?
07:33<jm_>ComradeHaz`: no, but it needs to be big enough
07:33<jm_>you can specify -s -S for resume, let me try what happens if one interrupts it
07:34<jm_>yeah it tells you how much it copied
07:35<jm_>and giving those numbers for resume seems to work
07:36<ComradeHaz`>-s and -S means start and stop points, doesn't it?
07:36<ComradeHaz`>oh, right.
07:36<jm_>harpal: try apt-zip
07:36<ComradeHaz`>I see.
07:36<jm_>naah, similar to seek and skip options in dd
07:37<harpal>jm_: ok
07:37<ComradeHaz`>really,
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07:37<ComradeHaz`>the man page says -s ipos start position in input file (default=0)
07:37<jm_>yeah that's it
07:37<ComradeHaz`>a'ight
07:38*ComradeHaz` crosses everything and gives it a go
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07:38<jm_>once again - make sure you get device names right!
07:38<ComradeHaz`>uh
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07:39<jm_>yeah you typically do or you need to be in group "disk"
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07:41<ComradeHaz`>Haha, oh dear.
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07:41*ComradeHaz` is sad
07:41<ComradeHaz`>I think this drive is toast.
07:41<ComradeHaz`>82 Input/output errors already.
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07:42<harpal>jm_: have you used apt-zip-list? I am not getting what options I need to pass
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07:44<ComradeHaz`>So, what will dd_rescue actually try to do here?
07:44<jm_>harpal: let me see
07:45<ComradeHaz`>Does it throwing an input/output error mean it's failed to read a block and will not try again?
07:45<jm_>yes I think so
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07:48<jm_>harpal: I used pt-zip-list -m foo -s -p kde to test it
07:48<jm_>apt*
07:48<ComradeHaz`>Would changing the block size increase my chances of success
07:49<ComradeHaz`>and if I run it again will it fill the gaps as it suggests?
07:49<jm_>I doubt different block size will help
07:49<harpal>jm_: ya I did same thing, but it dont download that package
07:50<jm_>harpal: it writes a fetch script
07:50<harpal>it shows me The download size is 8914044 in 9 files.
07:50<harpal>ohh so I have to run that script??
07:50<jm_>that's the idea yes
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07:52<harpal>Yap its downloading it now,,
07:52<harpal>Thanks a lot..
07:52<jm_>np
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08:09<harpal>how to remove packages which are on hold?
08:09<harpal>means remove from hold option
08:10<harpal>when I do apt-get upgrade I have 2 packages come to do upgrade every time
08:10<llutz>harpal: aptitude unhold package
08:11<llutz>or echo package install | dpkg --set-selecions
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08:14<jm_>or simply say apt* install foo
08:15<jm_>where foo is somethign that's held back
08:15<harpal>okay
08:16<harpal>jm_: I tried aptitude install gcc-4.3-base
08:17<harpal>but still on aptitude upgrade its showing
08:17<jm_>harpal: did it install new version of it?
08:19<rpetre>harpal: apt-cache policy gcc-4.3-base
08:20<harpal>http://paste2.org/p/948828
08:20<harpal>rpetre: http://paste2.org/p/948829
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08:22<rpetre>hm, it looks like it's the same version but treated like different ones
08:22<rpetre>did you do an aptitude update after installing it?
08:23<harpal>rpetre: I did aptitude upgrade to check does it still on hold
08:23<jm_>that's some weird stuff ;)
08:23<rpetre>harpal: no, update, to rebuild the dependency tree
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08:24<harpal>rpetre: ya then I did update also
08:25<rpetre>i haven't seen this in regular use, any special things in your case?
08:25<rpetre>(cross-platform or stuff)
08:26<harpal>rpetre: I have created system with emdebian and its not cross platform
08:26<harpal>I have i386 platform
08:28<harpal>package repository is from http://www.emdebian.org/grip
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08:32<rpetre>sorry, my apt-fu only goes so far :(
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09:28<user2623652>HELLO?
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09:28<user2623652>ANYONE HERE?
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09:29<user2623652>RAZ
09:29<user2623652>EWZ
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09:47<omc>hola
09:47<omc>papanamericnoo
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09:47<omc>papanamericano
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09:47<omc>papanamericano
09:48<omc>que que que que me voy que me voy que me voy
09:48<omc>papanamericanoo
09:48<mrconnerton> I'm looking for a freelance linux sysadmin to help with security of my clients vps when development of their sites are finished before they go live, and then monthly checkups.
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09:49<bremner>mrconnerton: did you try some of the people listed at http://www.debian.org/consultants/ ?
09:49<omc>papanamericano
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09:49<mrconnerton>bremner: nope. I would rather find someone active online then from some list
09:50<omc>papanamericano
09:50<omc>papanamericano
09:51<mrconnerton>bremner: that list has hundreds of names on it and doesn't help me pick one of them. I want someone who freelances and will see my request for work and come to me with experience, rates and availability.
09:54<omc>papanamericanoo
09:54<bremner>mrconnerton: ok, good luck. I'm not that person.
09:54<mrconnerton>bremner, thanks.
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09:55<omc>HEYY
09:56<omc>k
09:56<bremner>!es-social omc
09:56<dpkg>omc: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador por favor ingresa al canal social de #debian-es con /join #debian-es-cachondeo. Tus amigos probablemente ya esten ahi.
09:57<omc>ok
09:57<omc>aererg
09:57<omc>ger
09:57<omc>yg
09:57<omc>fgt
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10:41<stuckey>Where do I find the files for creating usb install media?
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11:03<Icyo>Hi, I am running a home server on Debian Lenny 5.0.5 AMD64 for about a year and a half. Yesterday I've try to plug a scsi card, in it, i got many problem, and finally remove it. but now Debian wont boot and neither the install CD.
11:03<Icyo>I see Grub, I choose my kernel, and then I see about 8 line of text, and then I got a blinking cursor
11:04<Icyo>and that's all
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11:04<Icyo>I've try to boot ubuntu live cd to fsck check all my disk, and it worked, it repaired some fs but Debian still wont boot
11:05<Icyo>I've check the BIOS reloaded the failsafe configuration, nothing more
11:05<Icyo>does anybody have an idea of what could be the problem?
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11:07<[fFf]1>someone knows how to overwrite the GDM settings, ie login screen wallpaper, theme, and so on? I must do that with a file so I can package these settings and installing it on a fresh squeeze will apply them...
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11:19<kop>Icyo: Your problem may be in fstab. Are you mounting disks identified by uuid or disklabel? If not then you need to do so otherwise adding or removing devices can break the disk mounting. See also /msg dpkg errors Unless you tell us exactly what your doing and exactly what the result is we can't help.
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11:22<Icyo>hmm ok, I am mounting the md1 (raid1) on / by UUID the others drive are mounted with disklabel
11:24<Icyo>i'm trying a i386 disk of lenny and it's rebooting at the point where my debian installed stall...
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11:25<Justin_A>Icyo: what lines of text would they be?
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11:27<shupack>galera to com uma duvida... tenho uma pasta compartilhada em um pc com debian, porem nao consigo acessa-la atraves da rede em um pc com XP
11:27<shupack>fica pedindo login e senha... ---alguma dica ?
11:27<Icyo>I think it's the kernel loading, but i'm not sure it's quite fast...
11:27<Icyo>just after grub
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11:36<Icyo_>but the setting in fstab would not affact the install CD no?
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11:40<Icyo_>is the first cdroom supposed to be hda device? is it not supposed to be /dev/cdrom?
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11:44<Icyo_>one of my raid1 disk is almost dead (smart information) could it be that who's preventing the boot?
11:44<Icyo_>the other raid member seem fine
11:44<locklace>!8ball
11:44<dpkg>Signs point to yes.
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11:46<Icyo_>so a linux software raid1 prevent datalost but not boot problem?
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11:53<Icyo_>well I've check a bit and mdadm say that the 2 md device are clean and the members of those are active sync :S is it really the problem?
11:55<Icyo_>ok that's weird, mdadm report me the uuid of the md1 to be the uuid of sda2 and sdb2 (the linux-raid partition) but when I use blkid /dev/md1 it give an other uuid Witch one is the right one?
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12:35<ylmfos>hoe
12:35<ylmfos>有人麻
12:35<ylmfos>有谁会打汉字的
12:36<retrospectacus>!en
12:36<dpkg>The language of #debian is English. We will do our best to help you regardless of your level of English but you might be more comfortable asking for help in your own language. Ask me about your language code for more information, for example /msg dpkg br ; /msg dpkg pt ; /msg dpkg es ; /msg dpkg fr ; /msg dpkg de
12:36<ylmfos>不明白你在说什么
12:36<bremner>!zh
12:36<dpkg>it has been said that cn is China, or for help in chinese please join irc.oftc.net #debian-zh, Please use UTF-8, for IRC help see http://tinyurl.com/8yrj9 | Qt/KDE è¿æ¸¡æå¼å§ï¼è¯¦æ请é读
12:36<locklace>ylmfos: 讲英语,婊子
12:37<ylmfos>滚独子
12:37<bremner>or is it japanese?
12:37<@Ganneff>its simplified chinese
12:38<ylmfos>Won't play in English
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12:38<ylmfos>你们都是那里人
12:39<ylmfos>You are there
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12:44<nicola>ciaoooo
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12:57<cheguevaras>.es
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12:59<dominick>Hi! I have an always-on ethernet connection to the internet and also have a wifi access point at my office (with no access to internet). Whenever I connect to the wifi access point, I will no longer be able to surf the web. How do I set the priority of the interfaces? I configure the interfaces in /etc/network/interfaces. I use Debian Squeeze!
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13:01<blarson>dominick: you need the ap not to set a default route. Either reconfigure it not to broadcast one, or convince your system to ignore it.
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13:02<blarson>(I know how to manually fix it after the fact, but not to prevent the setting offhand.)
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13:04<dominick>in case I want to convince my system to ignore it, what should I be looking for? Can you give me any keywords?
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13:05<dominick>and also, does the sequence of the interfaces in the /etc/network/interfaces make any difference? In the manner that whichever interface is brought up last is given preference over the others! or is it just a myth?
13:06<blarson>dominick: Do a "route -an" before you connect to AP. Then again after. compare.
13:10<blarson>dominick: it looks like you can exclude route from the requested options in dhclient.conf
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13:16<dominick_>blarson, I tried commenting out the following line in /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf. Made no difference! : option rfc3442-classless-static-routes code 121 = array of unsigned integer 8;
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13:18<dominick_>blarson, and route -an says invalid option a, route -n says http://paste.debian.net/83085/
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13:19<blarson>dominick_: try dropping "routers" from the request part of dhclient.conf and add it back to your ethernet stanza.
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13:21<x90>so whats the difference between dcop and dbus
13:21<x90>how would i do the same things with dbus as i did dcop
13:21<x90>your probley all bots
13:21<x90>lame
13:22<dominick_>blarson, brb!
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13:24<deavid>please, can anyone explain me what happening with this error msg from dpkg? http://dpaste.com/228605/
13:25<deavid>i can't install nor remove anything from my Debian since this morning, and several applications are acting oddly
13:25<x90>try
13:25<x90>sudo apt-get clean
13:25<x90>and apt-get autoclean
13:26<Torsten_W>autoclean is useless after clean
13:26<x90>yeah yeah yeah
13:26<deavid>done, same result again
13:26<deavid>is a problem under dpkg, not in apt.
13:26<x90>try echo $?
13:26<x90>what is the number it returns
13:26<locklace>and neither of them have anything to do with this problem
13:26<deavid>-> 255
13:27<locklace>deavid: you have some disk corruption, look around in /var/cache/apt/archives and do an extended fsck
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13:29<deavid>locklace: nothing there. a "lock" file which is empty, a "partial" folder which has no files.
13:29<deavid>but i agree with you, must be a corruption on the file system
13:29<x90>sudo dpkg-reconfigure libaiksaurus-1.2-0c2a
13:29<locklace>deavid: oops, i meant /var/lib/dpkg/info
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13:30<deavid>x90: done dpkg-reconfigure without error, same result again when aptitude install -f.
13:30<locklace>deavid: that directory should have .list, .md6sums, etc files for libaiksaurus-1.2-0c2a and all your other packages
13:31<deavid>locklace: here comes the problem: http://dpaste.com/228610/
13:32<deavid>that "structure needs cleaning" means, fsck, right?
13:32<locklace>yes
13:32<deavid>ok then
13:32<x90>have you tried checking errors in synaptics?
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13:33<deavid>this harddrive sucks :-/
13:33<deavid>i'm going to reboot from a livecd to do a full fsck
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13:33<deavid>thanks!
13:33<locklace>deavid: just boot with a rescue cd and do a full fsck and badblocks check of the partition
13:34<locklace>e2fsck -c if it's an ext* fs
13:34<locklace>or -c -c
13:34<deavid>locklace: -c -c ? twice?
13:34<locklace>yes, extended (read/write) check
13:34<deavid>ahh, cool!
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13:36<dominick>blarson, I tried removing "routers" from the request part of dhclient.conf, no difference. And my eth0 has a static IP. Does that help? Can I somehow bind my system to that IP?
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13:37<jordanm>dominick: removing routers will prevent dhcp from grabbing a route. what exactly are you trying to do?
13:37<jordanm>dominick: use static on one interface and dhcp on another without conflicting default routes?
13:38<dominick>jordanm, exactly!
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13:38<jordanm>dominick: that should be correct. ifdown eth0; ifdown eth1; ifup eth0; ifup eth1; should bring your interfaces up in the expected configurations
13:39<jordanm>(or a reboot)
13:39<dominick>jordanm, with or without the "routers" in the request part?
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13:41<dominick>jordanm, brb!
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13:43<eltutte>hola alguien habla español
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13:44<notrev>!es
13:44<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat
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13:46<dominick>jordanm, blarson, Okay, it doesn't work! Here's what I did! I tried removing the routers from the request part of dhclient.conf and restarted my interfaces, no difference. I only had to disconnect the dhcp(with no internet) to get online again!
13:46<dominick>s/dhcp/interface
13:46<eltutte>ok thank for you help
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13:51<pepop>hello
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13:55<ghostbar>hey! I need help, I'm getting events/1 to consume ~55% of CPU just starting, anyone with the same issue?
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14:01<bremner>occasionaly my thinkpad weirds out like that and I have to pull the battery
14:02<bremner>ghostbar: ^
14:02<ghostbar>bremner: is a thinkpad, so I will try that :-) Thanks
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14:07<roszak>Hello everyone. I just installed the alpha release of squeeze and am having trouble with the touchtap function on my synaptic mousepad. Apparently the function is disabled by default. I have messed around with my x configuration following this guide: http://wiki.debian.org/SynapticsTouchpad. I can get the tap function to work properly only on the login screen - e.g. I can tap to select gdm session, language, etc. Once I enter the sess
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14:22<PovAddict>roszak: your message got cut at "Once I enter the sess"
14:24<roszak>PovAddict: I was saying that the tap function works at the login screen but is no longer available once I enter the session.
14:25<roszak>PovAddict: also, my machine is an amd64, hp pavillion dv7
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14:29<roszak>PovAddict: I found my way to a solution. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC/HowTo/ElantechTouchpad All I had to do was enter the gui for "Mouse" under preferences and enable touchpad clicking. Simple enough solution.
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14:42<x90>you should all switch to windows
14:42<x90>or freedos
14:42<x90>assembly programming in freedos
14:42<x90>easy peasy
14:43<x90>no having to call kernel interupts
14:43<x90>call system directly
14:43<x90>lots of buffer overflows
14:43<x90>come on
14:43<x90>best os
14:43<x90>no stack protec tion
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14:44<x90>i bet huanchinho aggrees with me
14:44<juanchinho>emmm, yeah
14:44<x90>cool
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14:46<juanchinho>xD
14:47<ironm>Hi guys :) - please allow one question .. What would be a _clean_ way to install a local .deb using apt-get (without creating a repo and modifying the sources.list) .. Example: a local package "live-helper_2.0~a22-1_all.deb" from sid should be installed on squeeze (test)
14:47<juanchinho>why do you want to use apt-get?
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14:48<ironm>juanchinho: I have bed experience using dpgk -i live-helper_2.0~a22-1_all.deb .. (because of some possible dependencies)
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14:49<juanchinho>have you tried dpkg-i and then aptitude -f install?
14:49<ironm>juanchinho: aptitude could be also a choice
14:49<x90>tellin you
14:49<x90>dos is better
14:49<x90>no package manager
14:49<x90>no problem
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14:50<ironm>no .. I used only dpkg -i xxx.deb .. didn't use "aptitude -f install" after
14:50<juanchinho>apt** -f install should solve the dependencies
14:51<ironm>juanchinho: . I will check the syntax for aptitude when installing a local packages .. probably "-f" is just the file flag .. and the "force" one
14:51<ironm>and NOT the "force" flag ..
14:52<x90>you know whats better then debian
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14:53<x90>nothing
14:53<juanchinho>-f is for fix-broken
14:53<ironm>x90: yes .. I know .. debian
14:53<x90>I think all the spinoffs prove it
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14:54<ironm>juanchinho: I should try frist like: aptitude install live-helper_2.0~a22-1_all.deb .. right?
14:54<x90>we should all give thanks to murdock, thou father who art in heaven
14:54<x90>lol
14:54<ironm>s/frist/first/
14:54<juanchinho>from man apt-get: " -f, --fix-broken Fix; attempt to correct a system with broken dependencies in place. This option, when used with install/remove, can omit any packages to permit APT to deduce a likely solution. If packages are specified, these have to
14:54<juanchinho> completely correct the problem. The option is sometimes necessary when running APT for the first time; APT itself does not allow broken package dependencies to exist on a system. It is possible that a system's dependency
14:54<juanchinho> structure can be so corrupt as to require manual intervention (which usually means using dselect(1) or dpkg --remove to eliminate some of the offending packages). Use of this option together with -m may produce an error in some situations. Configuration Item: APT::Get::Fix-Broken."
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14:54<x90>split(/fags/, "fags faggots fags"); # seperate the fags from the faggots
14:55<ironm>juanchinho: I read just the manpage of aptitude
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14:59<ironm>juanchinho: it does NOT look good *_* - http://paste.debian.net/83103/ .. after aptitude install ...
15:00<x90>dont forget to sudo rm -R /
15:00<x90>to delete unnessesary packages
15:01<juanchinho>ummm... are you in a production environment?
15:01<ironm>juanchinho: my desktop
15:02<ironm>juanchinho: I made after: dpkg -i ./live-helper_2.0~a22-1_all.deb; #AND; aptitude -f install live-helper_2.0~a22-1_all.deb
15:03<ironm>now it looks at least normal (dpkg -l | grep live-helper)
15:03<ironm>juanchinho: however it can be that some packages are missing now
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15:04<PovAddict>Ganneff: thanks
15:05<juanchinho>ironm :/
15:05<juanchinho>usually, -f is enough
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15:08<ironm>juanchinho: root@t60p:~# for i in "expect kdelibs4c2a kdelibs-data libart-2.0-2 libarts1c2a libartsc0 libavahi-qt3-1 liblualib50 liblua50 libvncserver0 menu-xdg"; do apt-get install $i; done
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15:08<ironm>juanchinho: in case they are needed for whatever ..
15:09<PovAddict>why not just: apt-get install expect kdelibs4c2a kdelibs-data libart-2.0-2 libarts1c2a libartsc0 libavahi-qt3-1 liblualib50 liblua50 libvncserver0 menu-xdg
15:10<ironm>PovAddict: you are right ;)
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15:10<ironm>PovAddict: it looks like I was scripting today _too_ long *lol*
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15:16<NiKoDiS>buenas?, aqui ayudan con debian ?
15:16<cthuluh>!es
15:16<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat
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15:28<User_007>hello guys, i need some help. I am trying to use Web to control a computer. I installed apache, enabled SSL, but i have no idea how to send commands for the computer via browser.
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15:29<User_007>Does anyone know what can i use in order to send a command from a computer running linux via web using a browser?
15:29<cockroach>User_007: what exactly are you trying to control?
15:30<User_007>cockroach, it must be a led for example.
15:30<User_007>I want to run commands, like apt-get, or whatever via WEB.
15:31<cockroach>User_007: uuh. you'll probably have to write some cgi scripts for that. or use something like webmin that gives you (among other things) a command line in the browser
15:31<User_007>in order to turn-off the computer, restart it, install new things, but i want to do it using a browser, not SSH (what i am using now)
15:31<User_007>Webmin?
15:31<cockroach>User_007: i'd highly recommend keeping ssh, though
15:31<locklace>!webmin
15:31<dpkg>Webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." See http://bugs.debian.org/343897 about the removal from Debian. Don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality.
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15:32<User_007>cockroach, i want to do make it easy for someone do something on computer
15:32<cockroach>User_007: ssh is quite easy.
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15:33<User_007>yeah, but it needs to have the client, it needs the guy to know about linux and everything
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15:34<cockroach>User_007: as dpkg said, unless you know exactly what you're doing (and you trust that the software is reasonably bug-free) webmin might lead to security issues.
15:34<User_007>i want to just put an image that after clicked restart the computer...
15:35<cockroach>User_007: well, that one's rather simple. create a small cgi script with such a button that runs "sudo reboot" when clicked
15:36<User_007>i was thinking to make an script to make some file in a folder, and the computer runs it by time in time...
15:36<cockroach>User_007: you'll have to give the required sudo permissions to the user apache in running as (www-data afaik)
15:36<cockroach>User_007: that's a possibility too, yes
15:36<PovAddict>User_007: if the guy doesn't "know about Linux and everything", I wouldn't give him that kind of web-based access either
15:36<User_007>can i make cgi do that? really?
15:36<cockroach>User_007: sure
15:37<cockroach>User_007: if you write your cgi script in bash, it's as simple as a touch /some/file
15:37<User_007>very cool, can i make a web page that possibilite a guy to install some package by chosing it? like on a list?
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15:38<PovAddict>you probably can, but I don't see why you would want to do such a thing
15:40<User_007>it's cause i want to make something that uses cron, so people can choose when turn off will happen.
15:41<User_007>when the guy open the page by apache, ang have permission to send commands, it's logged as an user?
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15:41<User_007>*and
15:43<cockroach>what do you mean, "logged"?
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15:45<User_007>sorry, i want the guy to have a login and password to acess that. When he haves acess, and it can send commands, how would it send? he will have his own user? or it will run as an default user?
15:46<cockroach>if you use the web-interface it will run as the user you configured apache to use, probably www-data
15:47<User_007>humm ok
15:47<User_007>the user will be there everytime or just when the guy login?
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15:50<cockroach>"be there"?
15:50<User_007>"be there" == be logged
15:51<User_007>sorry, my english is really bad today, :D
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15:51<cockroach>heh. well, the user won't show up as being loggin-in (in tools like "w")
15:53<User_007>humm ok..
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16:30<LightKnight>Sorry people -- I need help with insserv. Although fetchmail init script has a "Should-Start: $mail-transport-agent", it still starts before postfix. What should I look to fix it?
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16:33<jordanm>LightKnight: is this your second day on this issue?
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16:33<LightKnight>jordanm: OK, I admit I don't know where else to look for help :-P
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16:34<jordanm>LightKnight: I recommend the debian-user mailing list
16:34<LightKnight>jordanm: uhm, maybe I'll try there as well, thanks :)
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16:37<aovidal>jordanm: i'm with other user in other session and it still the bug
16:38<jordanm>aovidal: maybe I didn't understand the issue. I thought KDE was not working at all. what bug?
16:38<jordanm>aovidal: you joined a different IRC server this time btw
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16:39<aovidal>jordanm: After i installed free graphic drivers KDE stops me enter in "system configuration -> Desktop "
16:40<aovidal>jordanm: And jump it a bug message!
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16:41<jordanm>aovidal: what is the message?
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16:41<aovidal>jordanm: In eglish puts the windows: System settings - The KDE crash Handler
16:42<jordanm>!tell aovidal about bts
16:42<aovidal>jordanm: wait 1 second
16:42<jordanm>aovidal: check the bug tracker, if no bugs exist, use the "reportbug" tool (make sure to run once WITHOUT options)
16:42<aovidal>jordanm: i see
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16:44<aovidal>jordanm: lol crash information couldn't be generated xD
16:44<jordanm>I would call that two bugs :)
16:45<jordanm>only one should be filed however
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16:45<aovidal>jordanm: this is increduble! lol
16:46<aovidal>sorry! incredible
16:47<aovidal>jordanm: i think i will install debian in another partition and first thing i will do it will be install radeon
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16:48<jordanm>aovidal: more testing and better feedback is always good for the report. I would atleast check and see if it has been reported before getting into further testing though
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16:49<aovidal>jordanm: I see ;) thank a lot for all! see u ;)
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17:17<ComradeHaz`>Can anyone explain why http://www.gnu.org/software/ddrescue/manual/ddrescue_manual.html#Basic-concepts does not seem to be appropriate to the dd_rescue packaged with debian?
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17:34<marioxcc>ComradeHaz`: debian have it own defintion of "free software" different from the original one
17:34<locklace>ComradeHaz`: because it's a different program. http://www.garloff.de/kurt/linux/ddrescue/
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17:36<ComradeHaz`>Hmm, I can't quite seem to figure ou how to use it / understand how it works and what it's doing for me.
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17:38<ComradeHaz`>Like for example I understood it such that if I specified a logfile it would use the logfile to resume if possible
17:38<ComradeHaz`>and fill gaps with data it manages to read on subsequent attempts.
17:38<ComradeHaz`>but that doesn't seem to be happening
17:38<ComradeHaz`>it just seems to start again
17:39<ComradeHaz`>if is it that my destination disk is so identical to all intents and purposes writing bits again any old where doesn't matter
17:39<marioxcc>oh sorry
17:39<marioxcc>i didn't catch the meaning of question :S
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18:31<interbird>I'm looking to get debian installed om some old hardware; this hardware is very shitty (cdrom/speed). I could install U or Mint, but with Debian something strange happens; it somehow stalls. I've tried sarge, etch,lenny,squeeze, but all of them 'hang' at some point. And I would *very much* like one of those. I've tried a lot of options but i'm out-of-cards... Anyone as had this issue an can help me ?
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18:32<mercutio22>I have access to one cable modem and one ADSL modem at the moment. Is it possible to bridge both connections so I have increased bandwidth?
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18:38<interbird>Yes, by connecting them both to separate interfaces directly; but if you use local-routing, traffic gets merged and you woud have to find some way to "load-balance". I think there are articles on the net o how to do that, but if you use NAT, which you will I guess, it's more difficult I guess...
18:39<interbird>(For the ouside world you are "two-faced" i.e. two ip-addresses...
18:40<interbird>(but i'm not a guru on this subject)
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18:45<mercutio22>interbird: sounds nice!
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18:50<interbird>I often think "looks nice" about the lady sitting on the car tey want you to buy. But she is not included with the car. Duuno your tech-level; but it's possible but 1+1=2; it's just not that simple...
18:50<interbird>p
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19:06<mercutio22>interbird: I am cancelling one ISP service tomorrow, but I might eventually try and have that when I get rich
19:06<mercutio22>hehe
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19:24<interbird>mercutio22: Ok; Let us know... a) How you got rich and b) How you solved your problem (to learn is to be)
19:25*interbird want to reverse a) and b)
19:29<mercutio22>hahaha =] I wish
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19:35<interbird>Some wishes come true; like the existance of free software; but i never met a rich person that was also happy -- I did see people with solved problem because the "cut the chains" on doze. Ahh, a men is as happy as he makes uphis mind to be.....
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20:25<elikem>hi
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20:26<interbird>hi
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20:26<mrsjonas>hi everyone
20:27<interbird>hi tou2
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20:27<mrsjonas>hi
20:28<mrsjonas>is this an around the world thing
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20:29<interbird>tell me one thing that is not "around the world"
20:30<mrsjonas>no is this chat thing are we talking to people around the world
20:31<interbird>what "chat-thing" ?
20:31<mrsjonas>this xchat
20:32<interbird>xchat?
20:32<interbird>what is that ?
20:32<mrsjonas>it,s a chat window
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20:33<interbird>ahh, ok
20:33<franki^>It's a client for the-dude IRC protocol, which is very much "around the world". :
20:33<franki^>Erm, s/the-dude/the/
20:33<franki^>Heh.
20:33<interbird>well, yes, probably it's going around the world...
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20:33<mrsjonas>aren,t u talking through xchat
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20:34<franki^>Nope
20:34<interbird>franki^: i know what it is dude; you just don't follow me
20:34<franki^>X-chat is only one of many IRC clients
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20:35<interbird>true
20:35<mrsjonas>oh and are u a boy or a girl interbird
20:35<mercutio32>how do I make iceweasel associate .torrent files to transmission? I am getting this error: /tmp/159-2.torrent could not be opened, because the associated helper application does not exist. Change the association in your preferences.
20:35<interbird>mrsjonas: I am Mss. Jones...
20:35<mrsjonas>wat
20:36<interbird>(but my guess is you are too young to know that song)
20:36<mrsjonas>yeah
20:36<interbird>yeh
20:36<mrsjonas>how old are u
20:36<interbird>older
20:36<mrsjonas>how older
20:37<interbird>much & many
20:37<interbird>i saw you egg
20:37<mrsjonas>how much and older
20:38<mrsjonas>how did u see me
20:38<interbird>i saw your egg, the one with the stips and stripes and some vague stains
20:38<interbird>with my eyes
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20:39<mrsjonas>ok
20:40<mrsjonas>but i don,t have stips or stripes or vague stains and i,m not an egg
20:40<interbird>maybe you think so...
20:41<interbird>you are how are seen
20:41-!-jhutchins_lt [~jonathan@64-151-37-66.dyn.everestkc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
20:41<mrsjonas>but how do u know
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20:41<interbird>i told you that; i'm old
20:41<interbird>i have seen
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20:45<mrsjonas>wat are u talking about
20:45<mrsjonas>interbird are u there
20:46<interbird>yes and no
20:46<mrsjonas>wat
20:47<mrsjonas>hello
20:47<interbird>this is not a chat-channel; this channel is about debian and debian-users; did you loose your way; or - are you a visitor?
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20:55<mrsjonas>WAT IS A DEBIAN
20:55<devil>heh, i knew it
20:55<interbird>please don't use CAPS; they appear VIOLENT
20:56<mrsjonas>sorry wat is debian
20:57<jordanm>!tell mrsjonas about debian
20:57<mrsjonas>yeah
20:57<interbird>Debian is an Operating System
20:58<interbird>!debian
20:58<dpkg>somebody said debian was http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents
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20:59<mrsjonas>so it,s a computer wiz channel
20:59<mrsjonas>wat is dpkg
21:01<interbird>dpkg is the "wiz" of it all, actually; it keeps Debian from getting old
21:01<dpkg>interbird: You are person #1 to send an unparseable request
21:01<mrsjonas>wat
21:01<mrsjonas>dos that mean
21:01<jordanm>mrsjonas: dpkg is a bot
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21:02<interbird>what is the correct spelling; and does instead of dos; you have a lot to learn, but don't be afraid; it comes with pleasure, like life
21:03<mrsjonas>wat how old are u
21:03<mrsjonas>andgive me the number
21:03<interbird>why do you repeat questions already answered ?
21:04<interbird>and, what age do you mean? that of my body of the one of my mind ?
21:05<mrsjonas>no older younger
21:05<jordanm>mrsjonas: please move on if you don't have a debian support question
21:06<mrsjonas>ok
21:06<mrsjonas>wat is adema
21:07<interbird>the one who has only questions and does not know where to ask them we call "young"; sometimes we envy them
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21:08<sney>you guys sure are doing some deep thinking tonight
21:08<interbird>just go to sleep :-)
21:09<mrsjonas>me
21:09<devil>some would call it philosophical
21:10<mrsjonas>wat is that
21:10<devil>mrsjonas: do not ask people there age. genfer or whereabouts on irc if the don't offer that info.
21:11<devil>mrsjonas: unless in kids channels meant for dating
21:11<interbird>it like thinking beyond outer appearance; a skill you will get with age
21:11<devil>gender even
21:11<interbird>s/get/acquire/
21:12<mrsjonas>wat
21:12<devil>mrsjonas: it is: what, not wat
21:12<devil>and yes, go to sleep
21:13<mrsjonas>that is my eay of saying wat
21:13<devil>hardly any women here anyways
21:13<mrsjonas>i,m a guy
21:13<interbird>and i'm gay as a door-knob so no no excitement from me
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21:14<mrsjonas>wat
21:14<devil>mrsjonas: it is: what, not wat
21:15<devil>mrsjonas: and as a troll you are not enogh fun to tolerate you
21:15<mrsjonas>interbird u were not that rude when we were talking
21:15<interbird>he's no troll; just young
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21:15<devil>sure?
21:15-!-hgdf [~hgdf@paulinge.wh20.tu-dresden.de] has quit []
21:16<interbird>yes
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21:16<devil>i might be oversensible atm because i have to fight lots of trolls lately :)
21:17<interbird>i'm not rude, just politly asking you to go elsewhere and seek your "kinda-chat"
21:18<interbird>devil: lots-a-trolls might do that to you; always keep open mind; you know what i'm saying
21:18<devil>interbird: it gets hard at times.
21:19<interbird>be harder; no; be kinder; be more open; don't let this "aspect" poison your approach
21:19<interbird>and...
21:20<interbird>skill yourself at recognising true trolls...
21:20<mrsjonas>ok but
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21:20<mrsjonas>..................
21:20<devil>interbird: last point taken :)
21:22<devil>interbird: i just now face an good open source project that i spent manyears on be forced to fork by the constant work of trolls...
21:22<mrsjonas>interbird u there
21:23<mrsjonas>can you tell your little friends to shut up
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21:23<bremner>now your trolling.
21:24<jordanm>!ops mrsjonas mrsjonas offtopic
21:24<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: jordanm complains about: mrsjonas mrsjonas offtopic
21:24<mrsjonas>wat is trolling anyway
21:24<devil>mrsjonas: i could be your granddad, show some respect or leave
21:25<mrsjonas>bye interbird
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21:26<interbird>devil: i don't understand completely; you are on an open-source work and trolls bother you: how does this influence the project ? For sure by "letting trolling get to you". Things are *very eay*: Just create what you had in mind; no troll can block that.
21:26<interbird>by mrsjonas
21:27<jordanm>interbird: please take chat to #debian-offtopic
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21:27<interbird>learn from stuff while you are at it
21:28<devil>interbird: its a bit more complicates. we have a distribution and a (german) foundation going along (or better not going along anymore)
21:28<interbird>jordanm: i have nothing more to say an appologige for taking it this far on this channel
21:28<devil>but jordanm is right
21:30<victor>http://justpaste.it/3u3
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21:31<victor>http://justpaste.it/3u4
21:31<interbird>not in a bash-mood
21:31<interbird>maybe later
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21:32<interbird>devil: who is "we"; what are you saying to me ?
21:32<victor>Could anyone explain that script a bit? I can't quite get it.
21:32<jordanm>victor: #bash on irc.freenode.net
21:33<victor>alright.
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21:34<devil>interbird: i was just trying to explain why i might be seeing trolls when there is none. 'we' are a debian spinoff that might have to fork itself tomorrow
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21:36<devil>probably nothing you heard of :)
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21:39<interbird>devil: a fork is only useful if it realy is a fork; for instance like with samba and sambaNG, but to fork just for your own "vain" is not good. A fork is not good and only "interesting" if it is really called for. To "not-fork" is the prefeered step, because not to fork means there is *one* instance to work at.
21:40-!-mode/#debian [+l 369] by debhelper
21:41<devil>interbird: a foundation meeting will decide on that tonite, and unfortunately i am on the projects dev team and on the board of the foundation
21:41<interbird>why is that "unfortunately"?
21:41<sney>a lot of people want to fork debian because they think, "oh, debian would be so much better if all that contrib and nonfree stuff were easier for noobs to get at" but then the reality of supporting Adobe and nVidia's buggy-ass software comes crashing down
21:41<sney>not that I know why devil wants to fork it, of course
21:42<devil>interbird: because i sit between all chairs and get beaten from both sides :)
21:42<devil>sney: i dont and we didnt, we take and contribute.
21:43<devil>sney: and we have only main in our sources.list bya default ;)
21:44<sney>so it's probably a branding thing that's leading you to make a fork instead of a blend
21:44<bremner>it's a release management thing
21:44<bremner>he says as an outsider
21:44<sney>I am composed mostly of nonsense and speculation
21:44<interbird>sney: that is soo true; there is noting more *pure* and likable and whatever than Debian. Debian is a PILLAR and to make it like U would be like cutting the hair of Samson.
21:44<sney>haha
21:45<sney>you're a weird guy, interbird
21:45<interbird>and you are not ?
21:45<sney>I make no claims of normalcy
21:46<interbird>did i?
21:46<devil>in terms of Samson i am mighty strong :)
21:47<interbird>ahh
21:47<interbird>convict me
21:47<interbird>the we can have a real case
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21:48<devil>interbird: who are you talking to now?
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21:48<interbird>you and devil
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21:49<devil>oh, me and myself :)
21:50<interbird>and sney, but he's silent for now
21:50<javier_Ed>Saludos a todos!
21:51<devil>interbird: how can i convict you?
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21:53<interbird>devil: simple, by painting my name black; one is not what she or he owns; one is by what is said about her or him by others... (Luckily a was ahead and painten my own name black so nobody else can do that) :-)
21:54<interbird>(just jokin')
21:54<interbird>hehe
21:54<devil>interbird: not a painter, me :)
21:54<interbird>lucky me :-)
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21:59<Nemoder>I once installed debian squeeze
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21:59<Nemoder>but its repo was in a freeze
21:59<Nemoder>with no new code my room grew cold and I began to sneeze.
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22:03<sney>Nemoder: that was bad and you should feel bad.
22:03<Nemoder>:s
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22:06<devil>Nemoder: get well soon :)
22:06<interbird>How can you be in a room with an OS like Debian and grow cold ?
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22:09<sney>when I used to run debian on my sparcstation it kept the room warm even when the heat was broken
22:09<sney>well, that's not really true, but I put it on the floor and used it as a foot warmer.
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22:10<interbird>Some are code-junkies; they expect prime from experimental; Most of them cannot read or understand concepts like: stable, testing, ...; But they will grasp these concepts one way or the other...
22:11<interbird>in time...
22:13<interbird>If we were able to "switch-off" Debian as-of-right-now, my guess is we would be back at the stone-age (pre-DOS); as soo much is built on it's shoulders...
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23:13<Vivek>I would like to reply to 592708@bugs.debian.org using my gmail.com account
23:14<Vivek>What Subject line shoud I use, what is the format of using an external mail client to submit bugs or reply to a bug report.
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23:19<interbird>Why don't you use the usual bug-report ways?
23:20<interbird>What is so difficult about posting bugs like anyone else does ?
23:20<Vivek>interbird: It is an already reported bug, just wanted to provide my feedbacks.
23:20<Vivek>interbird: Do you meant reportbug ?
23:21<Vivek>s/meant/mean*
23:22<interbird>Vivek: I don't understand you asking here about how to file a bug that you apparantly already did.
23:26<interbird>Feedbacks are appreciated but you understand that you are not alone in this universe; many have encountered this same "bug". To be a truly awsome dude would be if you helped fixing it; Complain is what the ignorant do; fixing is what the involved ones do. go figure.
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23:33<Vivek>interbird: I have not filed http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=592708
23:33<Vivek>interbird: I would like to provide my feedbacks to it.
23:34<Vivek>Using the reply option...
23:35<Vivek>So what I done is I have selected the 592708@bugs.debian.org ID and now would like to know what I should include in the subject
23:35<Vivek>I guess, the content can be my feedback, but what I would like to know is what to put in the subject.
23:36<Vivek>What I have done is used by gmail id and selected the compose option and entered 592708@bugs.debian.org in the To: Field.
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23:39<interbird>Well, to be honest, if you cannot figure that out; why post a bug in the first place? Seems kind-a-silly you say you discouvered a "bug" but don't know how to act onwards.
23:42<interbird>This is not the place, for sure.
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23:48<interbird>Posting your gmail-id and other semi-private stuff might get you a reply you are not waiting for...
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