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00:27<chowder>Hi. I'm interested in installing Debian but I'm confused about which version to get. I've heard that Debian is very stable, which is great, but I've also heard that the packages are quite out of date.
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00:28<bleakgadfly>chowder: Lenny is the current version
00:28<quitte_>chowder: upgrading debian is easy, too.
00:28<bleakgadfly>But squeeze is the one we are all waiting for :)
00:29<chowder>I'm used to rolling release distros like archlinux but I'd always hate the instability that comes with it
00:29<chowder>lately it seems like no distro is going to work with my laptop's touchpad. It looks grim
00:32<NickyP>IMO Debian is way ahead in finding correct hardware and drivers
00:33<quitte_>imho a working touchpad is hardly distinguishable from a non-working one.
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00:45<chowder>quitte_, well its pretty distinguishable when you can't move the cursor at all....:/
00:45<chowder>i wanna take it to uni but i can't be using a USB mouse on those tiny desks
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00:47<quitte_>you could always use the cursor keys. which is just slightly worse
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00:48<chowder>its gonna be difficult keeping up with the prof
00:51<chowder>I'm actually on a 64-bit version of ubuntu right now. Everything's worked fine except for the touchpad. I'd run a 32-bit version but I have 4GB of RAM. Would using a 32bit version of Linux affect drivers? I've been thinking about switching to Debian for a while.
00:52<quitte_>when did the touchpad work last? maybe it's as easy as pressing the fn-something combination that toggles touchpad on/off?
00:52<kenyon>yeah, touchpads generally just work. what kind of hardware?
00:53<chowder>the laptop is a lenovo ideapad Z560
00:54<chowder>as for the exact model of touchpad I'm unsure
00:54<chowder>quitte_, the touchpad worked last when I first got the laptop. It came with Windows 7
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00:54<quitte_>probably ps2 connected synaptics. are there any else?
00:54<quitte_>chowder: i was quite serious about the fn-something thing.
00:55<quitte_>as kenyon said. tps generaly work
00:55<chowder>quitte_, I'm not sure what key it is
00:55<chowder>one sec, i still have the users manual
00:55<chowder>its gotta be in there
00:56<quitte_>some hand on a screenlike thing icon?#
00:56<kenyon>chowder: I see lots of mouse device info in /var/log/Xorg.0.log
00:57<chowder>kenyon, I'll check there
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00:58<chowder>quitte_, the function keys I see are as follows: turn off cam, suspend, and I'm not sure what the others do. The little graphics aren't all that self-explanitory
00:58<kenyon>there could be a bios option relevant to touchpad, I suppose
00:58<quitte_>also there's trial and error
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01:02<chowder> my USB mouse stopped working
01:02<chowder>none of the function keys are doing anythin
01:02<chowder>of all components, I never though the touchpad wouldn't work
01:03<chowder>with the USB mouse, I can move the cursor but the left and right mouse buttons do nothing
01:03<quitte_>fn+f6 is what google came up with
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01:03<kenyon>bad hardware, send it back heh
01:03<chowder>it looks like a touchpad but it has a slash through it
01:04<chowder>if I can just bring up a terminal then maybe I can get some useful dmesg output
01:05<chowder>i don't think the hardware's bad
01:05<chowder>everything worked perfectly with Win7
01:05<chowder>except that Linux is about 2 times faster
01:05<chowder>even a heavy distro like Ubuntu
01:05<quitte_> unless that was posted by chowder it's not that uncommon a problem
01:07<chowder>yep, that's my post
01:08<chowder>if I touch the touchpad and move my finger around a lot the cursor moves but has a delayed response
01:09<chowder>and the buttons don't work
01:09<quitte_>that is very different from doesn't work at all
01:09<quitte_>and happens to be a possible match to a ubuntu bug i just saw
01:10<quitte_>touchpad gets detected as logitech wheel mouse instead of synaptics touchpad
01:10<chowder>i can't believe how helpful you guys have been
01:10<chowder>compared to the Ubuntu IRC chats are usually filled with drooling morons
01:11<chowder>I'm extremely thankful
01:11<quitte_>no worries
01:12<chowder>this is quite embarassing considering that I'm an officer of my university's LUG
01:12<quitte_>officers delegate
01:12<chowder>i need to work on my google-fu
01:13<chowder>quitte_, yeah, but I'm also a CS major. I should've figured this out
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01:13<quitte_>i'll start my study in october. let's see what i forget in 3 years :P
01:14<chowder>I'm going back to class on monday
01:15<chowder>looking forward to discrete math
01:17<chowder>if I get everything working nicely under Ubuntu I'll probably switch to Debian
01:17<chowder>less bloat
01:17<chowder>more customizable
01:18<chowder>my LUG tries to push Ubuntu since its more newbie friendly
01:21<quitte_>while i agree i can't quite name what makes it more newbie friendly.
01:21<quitte_>except the anutilus default to not open a new window for every directory. but thats history
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01:23<chowder>quitte_, I'm trying to get everyone to look at sidux or crunchbang
01:24<chowder>but brb
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01:38<chowder>used xinput to disable the touchpad
01:38<chowder>at least I can use the USB mouse without a problem
01:39<chowder>there's 13 pages in the thread so I'll read on
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01:52<quitte_>chowder: have you tried creating a Device SXection for your touchpad,yet?
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01:56<chowder>quitte_: no I have not
01:56<chowder>oddly enough my touchpad is recognized as what it is
01:57<chowder>disabling and reenabling it as the workaround in the thread states doesn't help
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01:59<chowder>ETPS/2 Elantech Touchpad
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01:59<chowder>that's what its recognized as
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02:00<quitte_>is it maybe detected twice? once via evdev and once whatever the old way is called?
02:00<quitte_>that would explain weird jumping
02:02<chowder>i guess its possible
02:02<chowder>may I post the output of xinput or would that be flooding?
02:03<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <>, <wgetpaste>.
02:03<quitte_>i'm more comfortable with the xorg log, though. I never even looked at xinput
02:04<chowder>I'll paste the xorg log too
02:07<chowder>should I paste it all or just the relevant parts?
02:07<quitte_>all is fine
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02:14<quitte_>the touchpad sure is found often. no idea if that's ok or not
02:15<chowder>i guess its find as long as the touchpad isn't marked as being more than one device
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02:20<quitte_> that guy asks to be mailed
02:21<chowder>I'll drop him a line
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02:24<quitte_> the second post might be worth a try
02:29<quitte_>the ubuntu wiki says to update your bios on a eee 1005HA to fix keyboard and touchpad issues. is any newer bios from lenoveo available?
02:29<chowder>no idea
02:29<chowder>but the touchpad seems to be working!
02:29<chowder>scrolling and all
02:30<quitte_>great. how did that happen? is it reproducible?
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02:31<chowder>root@satori:~# rmmod psmouse
02:31<chowder>root@satori:~# modprobe psmouse proto=imps
02:31<chowder>that's how I did it
02:31<chowder>I tried all other methods
02:31<chowder>that's the only one that worked
02:31<chowder>how would I make those changes permanent, though?
02:32<chowder>even if I had to make a startup script it wouldn't matter. Workarounds are better than nothing
02:32<blarson>chowder: put it in /etc/modules
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02:35<chowder>blarson: I'm on Ubuntu. There's an /etc/modrobe.d/
02:36<chowder>no /etc/modules
02:36<chowder>o wait
02:36<chowder>my blunder
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02:40<chowder>blarson: so I'd just add "psmouse proto=imps" to modules?
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02:47<blarson>!tell chowder about ubuntu
02:50<chowder>well, apparently Ubuntu and Debian have at least that in common
02:51<chowder>would that be how it works in Debian?
02:51<quitte_>if you're lucky it might even just work. but yes, modules are configured the same way in ubuntu.
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02:52<quitte_>probably best to use squeeze for such a new piece of hardware,though
02:54<azuwis>chowder: echo "options psmouse proto=imps" > /etc/modprobe.d/psmouse, should work
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02:59<chowder>azuwis: I'll give it a shot
02:59<chowder>thank you
02:59<chowder>thanks quitte_ for all your help
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02:59<chowder>blarson: thank you as well
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03:08<quitte_>chowder: you're welcome. this probably applies to your situation in case you install debian:
03:09<chowder>quitte_: i just installed Ubuntu for testing purposes
03:09<chowder>and to get up and running fast
03:09<chowder>but i know i'll be switching to debian
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03:25<Archiater>Well, bigest problem with ubuntu, there are to many installed crap i'll never use =\
03:25*Archiater using xmonad as wm >_>
03:25<chowder>I agree
03:26<chowder>xmonad is nice but I'm not a big fan of tiling wms
03:26<chowder>i've just never really gotten into them
03:26<azuwis>prefer awesome window manager
03:27<kenyon>you can do a very minimal ubuntu installation with the alternate installer thing, which is just debian-installer
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03:31<Archiater>kenyon: if alternart installer is just d-i, what diffrence between me installing debian, and me installing ubuntu? logo? :)
03:32<chowder>that's actually a good question
03:32<chowder>what confuses me about debian are the releases and the 5 or so install DVDs
03:33<Archiater>chowder: 5*5GB ~= 25 Gb => Full debian reprository =\
03:33<chowder>i looked on the install guide but couldn't find a reference to the install media's specific purpose
03:34<chowder>Archiater: yea, but can you just do a netinstall with only one DVD?
03:34<chowder>I have digital cable so bandwidth isn't a problem
03:34<quitte_>install can be dobne with just vmlinuz+initrd
03:35<twiggz>i dont think that was a good question...lots of differences between debian and ubuntu...there are less differences between say zenwalk and slackware than there are between debian unstable and ubuntu..
03:35<Archiater>chowder: well you can download only one dvd, all packages needed for install is located in first one
03:36<kenyon>chowder: any installation media will automatically get the latest packages from the internet if you have a connection during the install
03:37<chowder>i see
03:37<kenyon>most ubuntu packages are unmodified debian sid packages
03:37<twiggz>as long as you choose to install from the internet instead of the dvd.
03:37*twiggz duh
03:37<chowder>might as well burn the first DVD now
03:37<twiggz>if you are going to install from the internet you dont need a dvd
03:37<twiggz>get the netinst iso
03:37<kenyon>install from a USB stick if you have good internet
03:37<Archiater>chowder: just use netinst
03:37<chowder>next project is to get OS X working on this laptop but I think its more trouble than its worth
03:37<twiggz>Archiater: beat you
03:38<Archiater>twiggz: :D
03:38<neocortex>Hello! I have two questions/problems. First is that somehow I ended with two sound devices: HDA Intel (ALSA) and Conexant (OSS). I made ALSA active, but from time to time OSS appears and then some things are not working. Any help?
03:38<quitte_> for the latest d-i images. I guess a CS major can be told about squeeze install media.
03:38<chowder>I'd modify the alsa.conf
03:38<Archiater>chowder: I had one installed, inly problem was with wifi card =\ i have Intell AGN4965 :P
03:39<chowder>neocortex: shouldn't you be out trying to destroy crash bandicoot?
03:39<chowder>I wonder how difficult it'd be to write some drivers
03:39<chowder>it'd be good practice for C
03:39<neocortex>chowder, Sorry?!?
03:39<chowder>neocortex: stupid gamer joke
03:40<twiggz>have any of you drank so much beer that even after you pissed you still feel like you need to piss?
03:40<twiggz>it sucks.
03:40<twiggz>but damn i feel good.
03:40<kenyon>twiggz: sounds like a urinary tract infection.
03:40<Archiater>Ok gonna go to work -_-
03:40<chowder>nah, a UTI would cause pain
03:40<neocortex>chowder, Ops... I do not play games... at all... My son does... and I fight against!!! We shall prevail!!! :-P
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03:41<chowder>lol, I don't game much anymore
03:41<twiggz>games ... nexuiz.. alienarena...sauerbraten...all good games..
03:41<chowder><3 nexuiz
03:41<twiggz>i run nexuiz servers on my freebsd vps and debian dedi...
03:42<neocortex>Anyone? ALSA OSS mess?!
03:42<twiggz>one for no bots, one for bots...
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03:42<chowder>neocortex: you have to modify the alsa.conf if I'm not mistaken
03:42<twiggz>ive been pressed to start a ctf nexuiz server
03:42<Archiater>-_- misslooked on clock, still one hour left =\
03:43<twiggz>i prefer deathmatch though
03:43<twiggz>its more fun to me
03:43<neocortex>chowder, How? I dunno much about sounds (and games)...
03:43<dpkg>We have lots of bots around to help out with different things. dpkg (<dpkgbot>) and <judd> are the main two for factoids and package information. There's also debhelper (flooding, moderating), apt, ravenbird, badgers, piggy, ... Most bots are also in #debian-bots if you can't use /msg to talk to them. Be nice to the bots though; they have feelings, bleed oil and let out the <magic smoke> when angry.
03:44<kenyon>neocortex: do you need OSS?
03:44<chowder>!tell neocortex alsa
03:44<chowder>!tell neocortex about alsa
03:45<neocortex>kenyon, No, I do not
03:45<chowder>neocortex: check to see if you have the alsa-oss compatibility package installed
03:45<kenyon>neocortex: why not remove it?
03:45<Archiater>not best way yet
03:45<Archiater>neocortex: try reading this
03:46*Archiater loves archlinux wiki -_-
03:46<neocortex>kenyon, From aptitude?
03:46<neocortex>Archiater, Thanks!
03:46<kenyon>neocortex: sure, aptitude remove oss4
03:47<Archiater>neocortex: sure you need to change pacman commands to debain aptitude or apt
03:47<Archiater>neocortex: but very idea of alsa settings shown preatty well
03:48<kenyon>how about some actual Debian documentation:
03:48<neocortex>kenyon, I got oss4-modules oss4-base oss4-dev oss4-gtk oss4-dkms. All of them out?
03:48<kenyon>neocortex: yeah, I don't know why you'd need them, and I guess you don't.
03:49<Archiater>kenyon: well archlinux wiki a bit larger don't u think? >_>
03:49<neocortex>kenyon, Probably I just got them on install.
03:50<twiggz>arch linux lets any pimple faced kid in mommies basement upload pkgs and patches ...
03:50<twiggz>i dont trust them.
03:51<Archiater>hm, doesnt alsa need oss libs for backward compatibility?
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03:51<Archiater>twiggz: you talking about AUR?
03:51<kenyon>ALSA does not need OSS
03:52<twiggz>one of my ircds is running on an arch linux far its been ok...
03:52<twiggz>but i dont like the whole AUR concept...
03:53<Archiater>i have arch on one of my pc's
03:53<chowder>twiggz: :O
03:53<chowder>how can you not like the AUR?
03:53<twiggz>i already stated why above.
03:54<chowder>and that's not true
03:54<neocortex>kenyon, I removed all, but, still I have two devices Intel HDI and Conexant 5069.
03:54<chowder>well...I mean anyone can theoretically upload a package
03:54<kenyon>neocortex: that's because you have that hardware in your computer
03:54<chowder>but the community does keep an eye on the AUR
03:54<kenyon>neocortex: are you seeing those devices from lspci?
03:54<twiggz>the community
03:54<twiggz>not developers
03:54<chowder>so its not like russian roullette with a package manager
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03:55<chowder>devs are part of the community
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03:55<chowder>I've never ran into issues with the AUR
03:55<Archiater>twiggz: do you think alot of kids got in to arch so much? :)
03:55<chowder>and it'll usually tell me "this package has x and y issues"
03:55<chowder>very reliable for what it is if you ask me
03:56<neocortex>kenyon, Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 03)
03:56<chowder>neocortex: that card should work just fine with alsa
03:56<kenyon>neocortex: ok. what is the problem again?
03:57<twiggz>so far the dedi in london running an ircd for me hasnt had a problem, its only running charybdis and the aur hasnt reallly been tested ...but the way it sounds...i am wary.
03:57<Archiater>what basicly AUR does, it gives link for downloading source, and owerrides some paths to be more native for this distro =\
03:57<twiggz>i stick with freebsd for my own server and desktop :/
03:58<neocortex>kenyon, Sometimes ALSA is changed into OSS and then some apps are not working. For example, Virtual Box etc.
03:58<twiggz>i do have a debian lenny dedi though..i share it with folks...debian was all we could all agree on..
03:58<kenyon>neocortex: what do you mean "changed into"?
03:58<Archiater>twiggz: i have an FreeBSD 8 for home file storage~ And small screen server with irrsi and mcabber
03:59<twiggz>my server is running 8.0 p4 ....i am using 8.1 on my desktop.
03:59<twiggz>Hostname: SuicidalDreams - OS: FreeBSD 8.1-RELEASE/i386 - CPU: 4 x Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU E1500 @ 2.20GHz (2212.94-MHz 686-class CPU) - Processes: 82 - Uptime: 2d 12h 12m - Load Average: 0.10 - Memory Usage: 445.57MB/2022.16MB (22.03%) - Disk Usage: 12.46GB/449.15GB (2.77%)
03:59<twiggz>spam :/
04:00<neocortex>kenyon, In Volume Control I can choose between HDA Intel (ALSA) and Conexant ID 5069 (OSS). It is set to ALSA. Then, it changes without my control, finally VirtualBox sound is dead.
04:00<Archiater>FreeBSD hydra.lan 8.0-RELEASE FreeBSD 8.0-RELEASE #0: Sun Jun 6 21:39:07 MSD 2010
04:00<Archiater>more spam :3
04:01<Archiater>uname -a only, i'm embarrased for it -_- running on P3
04:01<twiggz>needs a quick freebsd-update :P
04:02<kenyon>neocortex: so did removing OSS help?
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04:02<Archiater>twiggz: quick and dirty? :D
04:02<neocortex>kenyon, I am now checking what is in /etc/modprobe.d/ and I have both alsa-base stuff and oss-compat
04:02<neocortex>kenyon, And: nope!
04:02<kenyon>neocortex: oss-compat is ok
04:02<twiggz>freebsd-update is the best tool ever.
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04:03<Archiater>twiggz: sometimes i thinking: it's working so DONT touch it :D
04:04<neocortex>kenyon, Whole modprobe.d seems fine: aliases.conf, blacklist.conf, linux-sound-base_noOSS.conf, alsa-base-blacklist.conf, fbdev-blacklist.conf, oss-compat.conf, alsa-base.conf, i915-kms.conf, radeon-kms.conf
04:04<twiggz>You should be thinking that they are up to 8.0-RELEASE-p4 for a reason :P
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04:05<twiggz>and a p3 is nothing to be ashamed of
04:05<twiggz>they last a damn sight longer than most p4 procs.
04:05<dpkg>#debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
04:07<twiggz>you mean the hundreds of idle people?
04:07<@Ganneff>doesnt matter, ot stays ot.
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04:09<twiggz>personally, i dont see the harm in a little chatter aside from debian when there are only at most 10 people in here speaking...but ok.
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04:10<kenyon>neocortex: you also need to not have oss modules loaded, even after you've removed the packages
04:10<neocortex>kenyon, How to manage that?
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04:12<kenyon>neocortex: lsmod and see if you have any oss stuff loaded. modprobe -r to remove them.
04:12<twiggz>why do so many folks have such problems with sound on debian? its simple... netinst iso... install what you hell with pulseaudio ...use alsa and alsa-utils...then just run alsamixer....
04:14<neocortex>kenyon, I read: snd_pcm_oss and snd_mixer_oss
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04:15<neocortex>kenyon, If I do: modprobe -r, will they resurrect after reboot?
04:15<Archiater>neocortex: ype
04:15<Archiater>neocortex: yep
04:15<neocortex>Archiater, What yep? They will resurrect? OR?!
04:16<Archiater>neocortex: the WILL resurect, if modprob help you'll need to blacklist them
04:16<neocortex>Archiater, How?
04:17<kenyon>neocortex: no, those modules are OK
04:18<kenyon>they are part of ALSA
04:18<neocortex>kenyon, So, then, I am fine? Maybe something is fishy with VirtualBox?
04:18<kenyon>does sound work in other programs? can you play wav files with aplay?
04:19<Archiater>neocortex: Getting audio to work in the guest machine
04:19<Archiater>In the machine settings, go to the audio tab and select the correct driver according to your sound system (ALSA, OSS or PulseAudio).
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04:19<Archiater>neocortex: have you checked it?
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04:20<neocortex>kenyon, Yes, only VB
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04:20<neocortex>Archiater, Aha... I did thet, but let me recheck
04:20<kenyon>neocortex: then it's your virtualbox config
04:20<neocortex>kenyon, I am just checking
04:20<kenyon>neocortex: btw that conexant audio device you're seeing is probably a modem or something
04:21<neocortex>kenyon, It could be... Never set that... Long time in the past all the pain from setting up WinModem in Linux...
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04:22<kenyon>neocortex: it should be pretty clear from lspci or lshw output
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04:27<neocortex>kenyon, Archiater, Thanks! I fixed VB setting! However, as I told at the beginning, I have yet another question: my ffmpeg is running fine, but WinFF does nothing when I click on Convert. Any thoughts?!
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04:30<kenyon>neocortex: never used winff
04:30<neocortex>kenyon, Ok, thanks anyway... You've been very kind and patient!
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04:42<AntoniMacierewicz>Ahh.. etch is no longer on mirrors?
04:42<AntoniMacierewicz>that's why I'm getting an apt-get error?
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04:42<AntoniMacierewicz>what should I do, change the sources list to lenny?
04:43<gnugr>how can i register mi self?
04:46<AntoniMacierewicz>thank you kenyon
04:47<AntoniMacierewicz>well I changed my debian repositories to archive
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04:47<AntoniMacierewicz>but I still get a GPG error :(
04:47<AntoniMacierewicz>when I try to update
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04:48<AntoniMacierewicz>W: There is no public key available for the following key IDs:
04:50<kenyon>AntoniMacierewicz: do you have the debian-archive-keyring package installed?
04:50<AntoniMacierewicz>hmm no
04:50<AntoniMacierewicz>let's see
04:50<AntoniMacierewicz>yaaaaay it works :)
04:51<kenyon>!win AntoniMacierewicz
04:51<dpkg>Congratulations, AntoniMacierewicz! You have won a one way ticket to Nova Scotia!
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04:56<AntoniMacierewicz>kenyon and would you possibly know
04:56<AntoniMacierewicz>how I could find this library version `GLIBCXX_3.4.9' not found
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05:13<phoenix>hello, I just installed debian, but I already had Linux Mint and windows 7. Can you tell me how can i configure grub.cfg in order to recognise my other two OS?
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05:15<locklace>!dual boot guide
05:15<dpkg>A guide for setting up dual booting with various combinations of Linux and Windows (XP, Vista, 7) can be found at . The guide covers both Windows and Linux being installed first on the machine. Also ask me about <fixmbr>, <supergrub>.
05:17<cahoot>phoenix: run os-prober
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05:18<phoenix>cahoot, thanks
05:19<cahoot>...and update-grub
05:20<phoenix>thanks a lot :)
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05:31<Gorgon>Think I have a more challenging problem, got nettop with Nvidia ION chipset, including eSATA port and a Raidon STARAY cabinet (4 x 2.5" drives using JM20339 (suspect)). Get error early in boot: "ata2.00: failed to IDENTIFY (I/O error, err_mask=0x100)" (debian 2.6.26-2 amd64). Their web site claim this array is compatible with "linux 2.6 and above")
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05:50<ludwig>I do not get Debian, bind9, SIG(0) and nsupdate to work correctly.
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05:51<ludwig>nsupdate is not able to deal with neither the public- nor with the private key I generated
05:51<acid>alguem sabe de alguma sala em portugues aqui ?
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05:53<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
05:54<locklace>Gorgon: try the kernel from backports
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05:58<ludwig>has anyoune a hint?
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06:03<dpkg>"Multiple exclamation marks," he went on, shaking his head, "are a sure sign of a diseased mind." - Terry Pratchett, Eric
06:04<AntoniMacierewicz>ah no trigger on this
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06:04<mojige>i from china
06:05<mojige>any one here?
06:05<shifty>mojige: many people here, waiting for you to ask a question
06:06<shifty>mojige: just ask...
06:06<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
06:06<mojige> i know
06:06<mojige>My new. Comments
06:07<ludwig>what can I do with nsupdate, if it could not read the keyfile I generated?
06:07<mojige>I came here, what they don't understand. Embarrassed. English is not so good.
06:07<dpkg>rumour has it, cn is China, or for help in chinese please join #debian-zh, Please use UTF-8, for IRC help see | Qt/KDE è¿æ¸¡æå¼å§ï¼è¯¦æ请é读
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06:08<mojige>I just want to make friend, with Linux.
06:08<dpkg>rumour has it, linux is closed
06:09<mojige>Please help me. I almost nothing.
06:10<mojige>My company asked me, after loading Linux, I can't use.
06:11<ludwig>mojige, what experience do You have?
06:11<mojige>Suddenly I found in the chat room, system, so it is very interested in. And I hope you excuse me, learning is used to communicate here?
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06:14<shifty>AntoniMacierewicz: dpkg's gives "Cannot create /var/lib/gforge/chroot/home/groups/chinese/htdocs/wiki: Permission denied"
06:14<shifty>Anyone got any better Chinese resources for mojige ???
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06:21<AntoniMacierewicz>what is the security update repository
06:21<AntoniMacierewicz>for Debian Lenny
06:21<AntoniMacierewicz>I am having doubts about the address
06:21<AntoniMacierewicz>deb lenny/updates main
06:21<AntoniMacierewicz>dpkg says this but I'm not sure if that / is needed
06:21<dpkg>AntoniMacierewicz: that's too long
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06:30<shifty>AntoniMacierewicz: certainly exists, but doesn't. odd. but I've never completely understood the dpkg pool.
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06:31<shifty>AntoniMacierewicz: if you're having a trust issue, I wouldn't be too worried, the worst that can happen is a "file not found" rather than malicious repository
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06:38<mojige>Excuse me, are robot?
06:38<acid>quem eu ?
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06:38<acid>queria instalar o driver da minha placa de video ATi alguem poderia me ajudar?
06:38<lee>any1 know the command to install 'burg'?
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06:54<cjuner>acid, do you speak spanish or english? habla español?
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07:01<Luigi>what GPUs are better supported atm? Those from nVidia or AMD/Ati ?
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07:05<Gorgon>locklace: tnx! sounds like a good idea! (I just installed Debian a few days ago). Just installed linux-image-2.6.32-bpo.5-amd64 and get a bit different behaviour now, still fail, but it also tries at 1.5 Gbps link. Any boot options I shoul use? Tried "noapic acpi=off", still get "ailed to IDENTIFY". Do see disk access light flash briefly
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07:11<locklace>Luigi: 2d or 3d
07:12<locklace>Gorgon: can you paste the output of lspci -knn and dmesg at
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07:20<Gorgon>locklace: Sure, with and/or without the extra kernel options?
07:20<locklace>Gorgon: without options
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07:27<vendeg>hello all
07:28<vendeg>I want to ask, that how can I choose from processor types? ([alpha][amd64][arm][armel][hppa][i386][ia64][mips][mipsel][powerpc][sparc][s390][source][multi-arch]) I want to try debian with VirtualBox on Ubuntu
07:28<vendeg>and if it good, I want to reinstall my server, what have i386 arc.
07:29<locklace>vendeg: do you have a 64-bit cpu
07:29<vendeg>model name : AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 4800+
07:30<locklace>vendeg: you have to run the vm with i386 arch, but when you reinstall you can choose amd64
07:30<vendeg>I'll reinstall only my server, not my desk
07:31<vendeg>locklace can I show server's processor?
07:31<locklace>vendeg: if it's 64-bit you can choose amd64 (even if it's an intel cpu), otherwise you have to choose i386
07:32<vendeg>I think it will be i386
07:33<vendeg>ok locklace, so I have only use i386 for test and for reinstall too :) thanks
07:33<Gorgon>locklace: Pasted... tnx!
07:34<locklace>Gorgon: ... it would help to provide the link
07:34<Gorgon>(sorry, never used it before...)
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07:38<locklace>,pciid 10de:0ab4
07:38<judd>[10de:0ab4] is 'MCP79 SATA Controller' from 'nVidia Corporation' with kernel modules 'ahci', 'nvidiafb' in lenny. See also and the out-of-tree 'nvidia' module.
07:40<locklace>Gorgon: ok, your ata controller is at pci 00:0b.0 has at least two drives attached, one is a SAMSUNG HM160HI at ata1, the drive at ata2 fails probing
07:40<locklace>Gorgon: what is the drive's make and model and how is it physically attached. and has it ever worked
07:40<Gorgon>locklace: ata1 is the internal disk. The external drives are ok, I have tried them in USB enclosures.
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07:47<Gorgon>locklace: the drives are Toshiba MK6459GSX and WD WD6400BEVT. The machine used to run OpenSolaris and the disks did work then but using USB port (only firs disk would be seen over eSATA port, guessed it was an OpenSolaris issue)
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07:48<locklace>Gorgon: can you try booting with pci=nomsi
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08:03<Gorgon>locklace: Also tried, still no disks. Want a new dmesg?
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08:04<Gorgon>(got to run soon, dinner time... thanks for the help so far)
08:05<locklace>Gorgon: ok. here is a report of almost the exact same problem, even the same controller: my suggestion is to start by trying all the things the poster tried, then try with the 2.6.35 kernel (available in experimental, for example), then post to lkml / linux-ide with the details
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08:11<Gorgon>locklace: Seen it, tried some stuff, will try more tomorow, tnx!
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08:31<TxTrucker>Good Morning
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08:36<seeker7>when i boot my lenny box this message occurs "Unable to enumerate usb device on port3"
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08:40<lindi->seeker7: what usb devices do you have connected to the system?
08:42<poisonbit>If I would like to add content to debian wiki, about a programming language listed in:
08:42<poisonbit>what could be the used uri ?
08:42<seeker7>linti: how could I determine that
08:43<poisonbit> ? ? I se some inmutable pages as
08:43<karme>seeker7: are there any you can unplug?
08:44<lindi->seeker7: look around what is connecte to the usb ports?
08:44<seeker7>I have two on the front of box ok just a minute
08:44<gsimmons>poisonbit: Likely$LANG, if one isn't already defined. You may want to ask wiki-specific questions in #debian-www.
08:44<poisonbit>thanks gsimmons :)
08:45<seeker7>linti: i have 4 in back of box nothing is plugged in to any of them
08:47<lindi->seeker7: ok. check if all the visible ports still work with an usb flash drive for example
08:48<lindi->seeker7: if they do, then I guess you can just ignore the warning
08:48<seeker7>linti: ok and if one does not then that will determine why the warning? the box works just fine other than that
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08:50<lindi->seeker7: yep
08:50<seeker7>ok thank you very much. have a good day.
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09:09<Luigi>what GPUs are better supported atm for 3d games like starcraft2? nVidia or AMD/Ati?
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09:12<AntoniMacierewicz>always nvidia
09:12<Luigi>for oss and proprietary drivers?
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10:19<sdk>Just thought some of you may be interested in the new communications protocol I discovered. I'll just leave this here: I hope you get a grin at least. Peace.
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11:00<bershath>G'day all. I'm having a problem configuring my touchpad on HP DV 3016AX
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11:01<bershath>to be more precise, the right click doesn't work on my debian squeeze 64bit distro
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11:01<bershath>is this a known issue ? truly appreciate any help/pointers to fix this
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11:03<bershath>i have installed xserver-xorg-input-synaptics but not with much success ..
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11:05<bershath>ping #debian
11:05<dpkg>The people here are volunteers, your attitude should reflect that. Answers are not always available.
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11:06<locklace>bershath: read man synaptics and man synclient and try changing some of the settings with synclient
11:07<bershath>locklace, yep.. i've tried but not with much success
11:09<bershath>locklace, this is what the synclient -l has to say :
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11:30<alex2000>hi, I need some help debugging some bug (probably) in udev, anybody?
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11:54<matou>morning everyone.
11:54<matou>I just installed Debian on a laptop. And it's working fine. I love it.
11:54<matou>But there is something weird. When hitting some keys, the laptop produces a tiny sound.
11:55<matou>I do not have pcspkr loaded and I "muted" the sound.
11:55<matou>Where can it come from?
11:55<matou>Any idea ?
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11:56<dpkg>somebody said beep was echo -ne 'a', or aptitude install beep, or ask me about <bell>, <qotd89>. For the audio player, ask me about <bmp>. For the protocol framework, see
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11:56<dpkg><legba7> How do i find out what makes my woody beep and do not stop to beep till i create another beep.
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11:59<dpkg>To disable the bell: "xset b off" in X, "setterm -blength 0" in console. For some reason, bash beeps excessively when in emacs (default) mode; "set -o vi" puts it in vi editing mode, which doesn't beep on partial completions. In konsole, Settings->Bell->Visible Bell. See also <pcspkr>, <shell beep>., or bell bug
12:00<matou>I don't get the qotd89, but all the other suggestions seems inadequate to me.
12:00<matou>echo -ne 'a' doesn't produces any sound anyway.
12:00<matou>But thank you very much for the hints anyway.
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12:02<matou>Btw it's not the mic either. I tried to turn it off, but it still produces this weird sound.
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12:12<darius>is there any tool for pipe buffering that comes with base system?
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12:14<locklace>what do you mean pipe buffering
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12:15<darius>i have strange problem with wget STDOUT and ffmpeg STDIN so i think some buffering could do something good..
12:16<locklace>why don't you forget about what you think might help and start by stating exactly what it is you're trying to do
12:19<darius>here what i am doing:
12:19<darius>i use wget for loging in before downloading flv file
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12:24<old>darius: I've heard of buffer package, but it's not in base system.
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12:25<old>darius: Also: Why there is cat at the end?
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12:31<darius>old, not sure about cat.. but it does not make any difference..
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12:37<luser>aptitude is failing to fetch a .deb from my local mirror - and looking at the URL in the error message - that version of the package doesn't exist - what should I do?
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12:38<luser>It's trying to fetch:
12:38<luser>but the site contains python-pkg-resources_0.6.14-1_all.deb
12:39<luser>deb squeeze main contrib non-free
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12:40<luser>PEBCAK - I was sure I updated, but I hadn't.
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12:48<luser>just ask your question, politeness causes the screen to scroll more
12:49<darius>old, thank you very much! buffer realy helped a lot ;)
12:50<louis>when linux starts up the screen is corupted but it is ok once the desk top starts
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12:51<luser>what bootloader? framebuffer or not?
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12:51<louis>the bootloader tht came with lubuntu
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12:52<louis>and framebuffer?
12:52<quitte_>why are you using ubuntus bootloader to boot debian?
12:53<louis>thats a very good point,haha
12:53<quitte_>oh you actually are?
12:53<louis>i have lots of distros instaled
12:53<louis>im testing witchoneis best
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12:54<quitte_>ok then. can you be more specific about the type of corruption?
12:54<louis>ivecome to the conclusion that gnome is a very heavy desktop envirnment
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12:55<louis>hmm how to describe
12:56<quitte_>a picture, maybe taken with a cell phone?
12:56<louis>it looks like wen uve not put the scart lead into the tv only part of the way
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12:56<quitte_>hmm no horizontal synchronisation?
12:57<quitte_>on a lcd display?
12:57<luser>louis - debian's best - no need to test others ;-D
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12:57<luser>you're using the analogue input to the LCD, then?
12:57<quitte_>louis: vga cable or dvi?
12:58<quitte_>try reseating the cable, though
12:58<louis>no its on laptop
12:58<louis>the image is fine after the bootloader is finished
12:58<luser>But you do get a bootloader screen correctly
12:58<quitte_>does the corruption move the way lost hsync woulöd or is the picture just striped diagonally?
12:58<Mario>i am looking for a portable audio player. what is a good place to inform myself about a good one with no hardware restrictions?
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12:59<evilmaniac>has anyone successfully installed Debian on an AppleTV ?
12:59<luser>Mario - google? Personally I use a Nokia n900, but don't take that as a recommendation!
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13:00<Mario>i already thought about the n900, but i dont wanna support nokia
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13:00<Mario>and its too expensive
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13:01<evilmaniac>No one :o ?
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13:01<louis>the whole screen is diagnal lines
13:01<babilen>Mario: IIRC xiph had a list of ogg capable players, but this is quite off topic in this channel. I recommend the players from cowon though. Good luck!
13:02<babilen>evilmaniac: Are you running into problems? Are you expecting some? No information on the internet?
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13:03<Mario>thx luser and babilen
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13:03<evilmaniac>Iv looked through all the information I could find on the internet
13:03<evilmaniac>I have succesfully booted debian on the appletv
13:03<evilmaniac>however, the borders of the screen are cut off
13:03<luser>louis - it's not just a dodgy connection? My last IBM flashed checkerboards on the screen
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13:04<louis>hmmm i duno
13:04<louis>you do understand wat kind of image im descriming right?
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13:05<luser>Louis- you said the bootloader screen was OK, at what point does it turn not-OK? You do have full boot messages displayed
13:06<louis>no the boot loader is fuzy
13:07<louis>so is the login
13:07<luser><louis> the image is fine after the bootloader is finished
13:07<louis>its goes fuzy as soon as the bios screen ends and normal as soon a the desktop appears
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13:08<luser>Can you boot into a rescue CD? (the Debian installer CD is a rescue CD)
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13:09<louis>yes but everything tht wasnt the fancy desktop gui part was fuzy
13:09<luser>What model of laptop?
13:09<louis>i fink its my onbored graphics, i use the same os on my nvidia desktop and it fine
13:10<louis>im using a pakard bellend leasynote
13:10<louis>do you get packardbell in the usa?
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13:13<louis>ill just use a differnt linux distro for this laptop
13:13<quitte_>does it start its weirdness immediately or after starting init?
13:13<quitte_>might be svgatextmode
13:13<quitte_>i vaguely recall it looking like you described
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13:14<louis>so why would you recomend debain
13:14<luser>if the bootloader's screwed too, and the bootloader's from lubuntu, then you shouldn't necessarily be taking it out on debian
13:14<quitte_>louis: what kernel version is that
13:14<louis>i dnt no im a newbie to linux realy
13:14<quitte_>uname -r will tell you
13:15<louis>ive been meaning to test debain is it any good?
13:15<quitte_>louis use your packagemangaer to check if svgatextmode is installed and in case it is remove it
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13:15<quitte_>louis: the best
13:15<louis>thankyou quitte
13:15<quitte_>obvious answer in this channel
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13:17<luser>louis - have any live/rescue/install linux CDs booted without messing the screen up?
13:17<matou>Does anyone know how to prevent my keys to produce a sound, as I explained earlier?
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13:18<matou>I still didn't find anything usefull about this issuer.
13:18<quitte_>terminal bell?
13:18<louis>user - yes
13:19<matou>Thanks, but it's not a console beep. It's a sound that happens when pressing some keys even if there a no term started.
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13:20<quitte_>matou that's what the article is about. the easiest solution is probably in the comments: blacklist the pcspkr module
13:20<louis>so wats the hardwere requirments for debain
13:20<locklace>!tell louis about hcl
13:20<quitte_>486 cpu or better for ia32
13:21<louis>so its fairly light weight?
13:21<Sigur_>with this fstab my user doesn't have write privilege on sda6... how can I fix it?
13:21<quitte_>louis: depends on your package selection
13:21<matou>quitte_: actually I already rmmoded pcspkr and mute everything in alsamixer. But I still have this weird sound. I don't know how to stop it.
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13:22<louis>thankyou pleaples ima go now
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13:22<quitte_>matou: another one of the comments: GNOME users can disable X11 beeps from the sound settings in Applications > Desktop prefs. > Sound > System bell.
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13:23<spyhd3r>what is the best way to add kernel modules for a RAID controller (Dell Perc 3d/i) that is not identified via the Lenny installer? I understand I can add addtional modules via removable media, but were might I find the module(s) and what might it's file name be ? ccaraid.ko ?
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13:26<dpkg>perc is, like, See 'perc3 iso'
13:26<quitte_>iirc the squeeze installer can be used to install lenny
13:26<valdyn>!perc3 iso
13:26<quitte_>valdyns solution is probably better
13:26<valdyn>dpkg: perc3 iso
13:26<dpkg>valdyn: I give up, what is it?
13:26<spyhd3r>knoppix ~Adrianne finds and loads the correct accraid module
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13:26<valdyn>dpkg: perc3
13:27<hermock>Hi everyone, I have an issue with dmraid
13:27<dpkg>For Debian Lenny installers with up-to-date kernels, see . The <bnx2> and <bnx2x> firmware files for Linux 2.6.32 are included in 0116 images.
13:27<hermock>dmraid -ay
13:27<hermock>RAID set "isw_djcjbfaacd_herm" already active
13:27<hermock>ERROR: opening "/dev/mapper/isw_djcjbfaacd_herm"
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13:28<spyhd3r>thanks guys!
13:28<valdyn>!listkeys perc3
13:28<dpkg>Factoid search of 'perc3' by key (2): _default perc3 iso ;; perc3 iso #del#.
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13:31<valdyn>dpkg: no, perc3 iso is <reply>The di image that was at is no longer available.
13:31<dpkg>okay, valdyn
13:31<hermock>while trying to activate dmraid -ay , /dev/mapper is empty
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13:36<matou>quitte_: I tried every button in gnome, but I didn't find anything related to my issue :/
13:37<quitte_>matou: what terminal are you using?
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13:37<hermock>Anyone would help on an issue with dmraid ?
13:37<quitte_>the default gnome terminal has bell on/off in it's setting.
13:38<matou>Oh right, in the term.
13:38<matou>I'll try anyway.
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13:57<EmleyMoor>Now ask a question...
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13:58<dominick>Hi! I'm trying to reduce the size of the partition on which debian is installed (it's a single partition). It's night here and I do not have a blank CD. Can I do it from the system itself?
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14:03<KukuNut>dominick: no.
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14:03<dominick>KukuNut, can I use a pen drive?
14:03<KukuNut>dominick: not sure what is a pen drive?
14:04<vasuvi>I think he means USB flash drive
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14:05<vasuvi>dominick: I'm not sure about a Debian way to do it, but I've done it before with Fedora. Just compile and use it to put it on the USB flash drive, then you can 'yum install gparted' as root from within the USB flash drive and partition at will.
14:06<KukuNut>dominick: just remember the drive you are going to resize should not be in use other than the resizer program
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14:07<dominick>k. i'll try the liveusb for fedora!
14:07<vasuvi>Good luck! :)
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14:08<KukuNut>dominick: just remember - backup important data first
14:08*vasuvi agrees with KukuNut
14:08<dominick>KukuNut, sure
14:08<KukuNut>dominick: why not use a live Debian?
14:09<dominick>KukuNut, i am googling for it! LOL
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14:11<vasuvi>Debian Live does exist, but I'm not sure if you can install something while you're booted into it, like you can with Fedora, and I'm not sure if it comes with gparted already on it.
14:12<sney`>I'd be very surprised if it didn't have gparted.
14:12<babilen>dominick: I'm quite fond of GRML and it supports booting from USB - - Your taste might differ though
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14:13<vasuvi>sney`: Sure enough, it does not. Most LiveCD's don't for reasons I cannot fathom.
14:13<vasuvi>sney`: See
14:14<dominick>babilen, does grml have the necessary tools for shrinking a partition?
14:14<vasuvi>(Hence why I suggested Fedora, as I know they have a LiveUSB creator and I know you can install stuff temporarily into the booted system, even if it too does not come with gparted.)
14:14<sney`>vasuvi: huh, weird.
14:15<babilen>dominick: I am not entirely sure, but you can easily install them. I think they do though
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14:16<vasuvi>sney`: d'oh, never mind, I was looking at the wrong file: . So Debian's actually does, amazingly.
14:16<dominick>hmm... I just found a few live CDs in my CD pouch, a Ubuntu, a Sabayon, a fed... damn! I have a fed Live! gotta reboot guyz. thanks for the help
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14:16<vasuvi>No problem, good luck!
14:17<babilen>dominick: -- gparted is there. What else do you need?
14:17<sney`>I guess he wants to use a livecd he already has ^^
14:17<babilen>dominick: Even better. Have fun :)
14:18<dominick>thanks anyways babilen. I'll have it as plan B
14:18<sney`>I wonder how squeeze is progressing.
14:18<vasuvi>Very nicely; I'm on it now :) (unless you mean the live version...)
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14:19<dominick>so am I, and I've filed quite a number of bugs already!!
14:19<dominick>I found it faster after lenny->squeeze
14:19<vasuvi>Actually, aren't most desktop users of Debian on Testing or Unstable?
14:19<vasuvi>Bugs, you mean there are bugs in Debian? ;)
14:19<gmarselis>i though they were features.
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14:20<gmarselis>how do I submit a patch for the text of the debian new maintainer guide? the english version has some grammaical errors: eg p14 is useless, it's a blank page. p35, very bottom of the page, it should say "It basically says "run me instead".
14:20<sney`>I have 3 running debian systems and 2 of them are on squeeze, so I know how usable it is from my perspective, I'm just finding myself excited about the upcoming release
14:21<vasuvi>Well, actually, I have found one particularly nasty Squeeze bug; my sound card (emu10k1) does not work with ALSA, or at least didn't when I installed it. I had to switch to OSS4. Never seen another modern distro (or even previous versions of Debian) have that problem.
14:21<vasuvi>Other than that, nary a single problem though.
14:21<lindi->gmarselis: send a bug report with patch
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14:22<dominick>I had a problem with vlc getting choppy while playing HD vid and when XChat has a notification! guess i'll file a bug when I'm done with installing GNU/Hurd.
14:22<babilen>gmarselis: File a bug against maint-guide with the patch?
14:22<dominick>ciao guyz
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14:22<sney`>I hope he doesn't expect gnu/hurd to, you know, work
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14:24<gmarselis>babilen: lindi- yeah, i would file it, i just don't know where the main-guide souce is :)
14:24*gmarselis apt-cache
14:24<gmarselis><3 debian <3
14:24<lindi->gmarselis: apt-get source maint-guide
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14:25<gmarselis>lindi-: hence <3 debian <3
14:25<gmarselis>thank you :)
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14:26<babilen>gmarselis: You might want to work on the version in trunk svn://
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14:27<babilen>gmarselis: And Debian ♥ you too :)
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14:33<penguinboy>I hate the IRC.
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14:34<compaq>hi, I can't play dvd's?
14:34*pavi-eee invites all to join #debian-in for a packaging workshop :)
14:34<dpkg>hmm... dvd is Digital Versatile Disc. To play a video DVD, ask me about <dvd playback>, then use either <xine>, <vlc> or <mplayer>. To burn a DVD, ask me about <wodim> or <growisofs>. To download Debian DVD images, ask me about <iso> and <small dvd>. To buy Debian DVDs, ask me about <vendors>. To copy/rip/transcode DVD video, ask me about <dvd ripping>.
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14:34<penguinboy>Anyone use Knoppix?
14:35<moldovean>compaq, /msg dpkg dvd playback
14:35<dpkg>Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek Knoppix help in freenode's #knoppix. Knoppix is a live CD distribution which is <based on Debian>, useful as a rescue CD, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it isn't Debian. unofficial: <Debian-live> is the Debian equivalent for publishing live systems.
14:35<compaq>it mounts the disc automatically, or I can manually mount it, and I can see the contents, but I can't play it with mplayer, smplayer, vlc, or kaffeine
14:35<cirdan>Is it a must to upgrade the lenny kernel to the bpo before an upgrade to squeeze ?
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14:36<hermock>Hello, I have an issue with dmraid that needs to be reinstalled to have /dev/mapper populated
14:36<penguinboy>There's no one on #knoppix.
14:37<babilen>compaq: I guess you need libdvdcss2 from videolan
14:37<chealer>cirdan: no
14:37<babilen>!tell cirdan -about libdvdcss2
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14:38<dvs>penguinboy: on freenode
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14:38<compaq>babilen, yep, that was the one I was missing, let me try now and see
14:39<compaq>yep, thanks guys, I installed the libdvdcss2 package and now its working
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14:39<compaq>Thanks a bunch
14:39<gmarselis>babilen: on my way.
14:40<babilen>compaq: You are welcome - Celebrate with a good movie ;)
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14:41<gmarselis>compaq: yeah! play "2046"
14:41<gmarselis>or "sping autum winter summer"
14:42<gmarselis>man the scenery on that movie
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14:45<gismo>is there anybody there who can help with installing a downloaded printer driver
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14:46<cirdan>babilen: how are dvd and kernel isues related ?
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14:48<sney`>cirdan: he just sent that to the wrong person.
14:48<sney`>cirdan: anyway, it is not a must to upgrade to a bpo kernel before upgrading to squeeze, but it can make the process easier.
14:49<cirdan>Sorry I didn't realize it. Thanks a lot. How come it can make the process easier. Is it the same kernel in bpo as in testing ?
14:50<dvs>cirdan: the squeeze version of udev won't work the 2.6.26 kernel in lenny
14:50<sney`>right, what he said. the standard upgrade process has you just installing the squeeze kernel but sometimes there are problems.
14:51<dvs>cirdan: there is no guarantee that the kernel will be installed before udev
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14:51<cirdan>What version the bpo kernel has ?
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14:51<sney`>2.6.32-5 I think
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14:52<sney`>judd: kernels
14:52<judd>Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.35-trunk-686 (2.6.35-1~experimental.2); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-20); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-18); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-15~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-24lenny1); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2)
14:54<hermock>CAn anyone help me on an issue about dmrai ?
14:54<sney`>just state your issue and maybe someone will know
14:54<cirdan>If I get the idea right, Installing the bpo kernel will avoid problems with udev do to the uncertainty of the install time of udev itself and the kernel. Am i right or am i completeley lost ?
14:55<sney`>cirdan: yes
14:55<dvs>cirdan: that's correct
14:55<cirdan>sney`, dvs: Thanks for the information. Have a nice weekend
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14:56<hermock>I have a disk fake raid0 that is using dmraid. after the last upgrade in sid, I had /dev/mapper/<myraiddisk> disapearing..... and dmraid complaining about not finding the link
14:56<sney`>!broken in sid
14:56<dpkg>Well, duh, what'd you expect, of course it's broken. See <sid>.
14:56<sney`>check for possible fixes/workarounds
14:57<sney`>sid is not supported in #debian.
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14:58<hermock>who could help ?
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14:59<sney`>maintainers and other helpers on, provided there is a bug report about your issue (if there isn't, file one.)
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14:59<sney`>there may be other email lists and unofficial support areas, but the thing about sid is that it's constantly in a state of change. it is not supportable. a fix from one day could be obsolete the next.
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15:00<sney`>if you're going to use sid as your main system it's pretty much required that you have the ability to support it yourself.
15:01<sney`>and at the very least install apt-listchanges and apt-listbugs, so new things introduced in a package upgrade won't be a total surprise.
15:01<weedeater64>Anyone know the default permissions for /dev/console ? I was trying to run morse, and got an error, You have no permissions to use /dev/console (chmod a+w) , well I did the (chmod a+w) but didn't not the existing permissions. Can this cause any problems?
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15:02<sney`>weedeater64: well, /dev permissions will reset on a reboot, so if it does there's your solution.
15:02<sney`>generally setting things world-writable is not a very good idea, but if it's a single user system it might be survivable.
15:02<weedeater64>sney`: Alright, thanks
15:03<sney`>if morse is running as your user account, it'd be better to make it writable for that account.
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15:20<sanca>can i ask you all about debian distro?
15:22<sney`>it's what the channel is for after all.
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15:30<dtech>hey gang, i have a question about formatting an mdadm-created software raid 6:
15:30<dtech>according to the raid setup page on, when formatting my raid ext3, i need to set the block size, stride and stripe-width
15:31<dtech>the example they give for raid 5 says to use this formula when calulating stripe-width: stride * ( (n disks in raid5) - 1 )
15:31<dtech>does that mean, when calulating this for a raid 6, that i should use this formula instead: stride * ( (n disks in raid5) - 2 )
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15:31<abdul>Hi all!
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15:34<luser>dtech - knowing nothing about it previously, just reading the wiki page now, your logic seems sound.
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15:36<dtech>i wonder if madduck might know the answer to this ;)
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15:37<luser>dtech - I'd like to see the data that supports their raid5 argument, though, it's not immediately obvious that it should be true.
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15:41<dtech>luser, thhat logic seems to extend to different mkfs.ext3 tutorials that i've looked at today
15:41<dtech>but thankfully, put more consisely than some ,)
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16:26<hfr>anyone there, who can help me with this one:
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16:26<hfr>i'm using a qnap TS-239-Pro, and am trying to install debian on it
16:26<hfr>for /boot/ i am using the internal nvram, and for / i'm using an external usb device
16:27<hfr>i tried turning off the udev-uuid thing in /etc/default/grub and also rootdelay=20
16:27<hfr>is it possible that that i need to load some modul in order to mount / from usb on boot?
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16:36<hfr>but all of a sudden it boots now
16:37<hfr>i changed the "emulation mode" for the usb devide in bios from auto to hdd
16:37<hfr>very strange, i thought i already have tried that
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17:15<hfr>ok, now i got another problem... i have 2 disks in that device, that are an raid1 array previously encrypted with the original firmware
17:15<hfr>mount /dev/md0 /mnt/
17:15<hfr>mount: unknown filesystem type 'crypto_LUKS'
17:15<seisetepc>irc is unsecure
17:16<hfr>i know the passphrase and everything, how can i achieve to mount it using debian? i already installe and configured mdadm properly
17:17<hfr>i also tried installing cryptsetup, but it keeps telling me "unknown filesystem"
17:17<hfr>can't i just type in my passphrase and get it mounted somehow?
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17:23<unixabg>Greetings, I am looking for some assistance on adding .po translations on a debconf question on a package. Is anyone available that might assist?
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17:28<sney`>unixabg: #debian-in has been doing a lot with packaging lately, they're probably a good resource for it
17:28<unixabg>sney`, thanks.
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17:52<nrub>Q: how can I make bash execute local files without ./?
17:53<luser>$ bash filename
17:53<nrub>there's some configuration in debian hindering just typing the filename in bash, it works on slackware :/
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17:54<lindi->nrub: that's a bad idea usually
17:54<luser>It's your PATH environmentasl variable
17:54<luser>lindi-'s right. Do not put '.' in your PATH
17:54<nrub>ah thanks
17:54<nrub>I will now put
17:54<luser>If you do, then you will at some point get a nasty surprise when you run the wrong thing
17:54<nrub>'.' in my path ;)
17:54<lindi->nrub: create some $HOME/bin for eaxmple
17:54<nnmr>äîáðîé íî÷è! ïîìîãèòå ïîæàëóéñòà ñ óñòàíîâêîé mysql
17:55<sney`>nnmr: english only please
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17:56<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ or use English here.
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17:58<luser>I guess if I'm being helpful I should change my nick :-|
17:58<sney`>well isn't it just short for 'linux user'? ;)
17:58<nrub>better than a wuser
17:58<luser>phil@geespaz:mplayer$ grep luser /etc/passwd
17:58<luser>luser:x:10000:1000:Local User,,,:/home/luser:/bin/bash
17:59<goqsane|aw>we know your password now, thanks
17:59<goqsane|aw>it's ,,,
17:59<luser>You only had 26 things to try anyway!
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18:00<sney`>I wonder what change in ath5k caused my link and act lights to no longer be useful.
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18:03<nnmr>Good evening! tell my how to install mysql if no disc??
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18:05<nnmr>when you try to swear on the dependence
18:06<sney`>nnmr: use simple phrases. google struggles with what you are saying.
18:06<nnmr>help please
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18:06<sney`>nnmr: do you have internet connection?
18:06<sney`>use aptitude install mysql-server
18:07<nnmr>not set! wrote that the packages do not work
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18:08<nnmr>mysql-server & client
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18:10<nnmr>sney, help please
18:10<luser>well, the packages do work, so if you're seeing something different, then you need to explain in more detail how they fail for you
18:11<luser>such as the exact error message, if there is one.
18:12<sney`>nnmr: if your error messages are in russian, run the command again with LOCALE=C in the beginning, and then put it on
18:13<nnmr>if your error messages are in russian, run the command again with LOCALE=C in the beginning, and then put it on
18:13<nnmr>Billing: ~ # aptitude install mysql-server
18:13<nnmr>Reading package lists ... Done
18:13<nnmr>Building dependency tree
18:13<nnmr>Reading state information ... Done
18:13<nnmr>Reading extended state information
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18:14<sney`> a website where you can paste your errors
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18:26<nnmr>please help, that's what gives me
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18:27<luser>Maybe: aptitude update; aptitude upgrade
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18:32<nnmr><luser> tell my repository with a set? I think that my list does not work
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18:36<luser>we're having a bit of a language breakdown here, I'm afraid
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18:37<luser>did you try: aptitude update ; aptitude upgrade
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18:39<nnmr>Yes, does not help
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18:55<TCW>nnmr, what distro / version is that?
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19:00<ludwig>Did someone get the combination of Debian, bind9, SIG(0) and nsupdate to work?
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19:01<ludwig>nsupdate is not able to neither read the private nor the public key file, it does not recognize the tokens
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19:15<maria>alguien que quiera hablar !
19:15<maria>hello !
19:16<moldovean>!es-social , maria
19:16<dpkg>, maria: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador por favor ingresa al canal social de #debian-es con /join #debian-es-cachondeo. Tus amigos probablemente ya esten ahi.
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19:40<k1m3ut0n>olá alguem sabe como faço pra escanear meu hd no ubuntu, tipo o scandisk do windows?
19:42<k1m3ut0n>olá alguem sabe como faço pra escanear meu hd no ubuntu, tipo o scandisk do windows?
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19:44<k1m3ut0n>alguem pode me ajudar com meu HD?
19:44<TCW>k1m3ut0n, english only, if you do just speak spanish (portoguese?), #debian-es / #debian-br
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19:54<cesurasean>Can someone tell me why i can mount an A: diskette upon booting my system, but when my system is booted, im unable to access the A:. it says no disk is present???
19:54<cesurasean>tired mutiple disks as well
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20:10<TCW>cesurasean, error messages please
20:10<TCW>and paste what you have typed in... and a paste of fstab could be handy too... oh, and ls -l /dev/fd0 too
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20:23<hermock>I have an issue with mdadm, I can get my raid array assembled with mdadm -i <> but it fails to do it automaticaly at boot time
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20:36<TCW>hermock, /etc/mdadm.conf there?
20:37<TCW>hermock, and /etc/default/mdadm, did you have a look in there?
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20:53<hermock>yes it is
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20:54<hermock>both file are there
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20:58<kenyon>hermock: maybe your initrd needs to be updated, I think update-grub does that
20:59<hermock>Ah yes you must be right it is going to right the initrd file with the disk right ?
20:59<kenyon>the md device
21:00<hermock>if someone is kind enough I would be glad to understand this clearly on what is the initrd.img
21:01<hermock>let me reboot first .... and check it works
21:01<dpkg>[initrd] Initial ramdisk, or god's way of punishing you for using a pre-built kernel image... and you WILL HAVE TO INCLUDE AN INITRD STATEMENT IN YOUR BOOTLOADER (hint, hint). Typically if you can't find your root filesystem, this is your problem, see <can't mount root>. A great system for those who understand modules or need/want root in LVM and/or md RAID. . See also <initramfs>, <kp mantra>.
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21:03<Poul|Raider>Anyone here whos good at iptables, i have setup rules and stuff for portforwarding. but it just dont work. I checked with tcpdump that the package get to the firewall, but it fail to forward em to the internal pc
21:04<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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21:04<Poul|Raider>i just did, its not working
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21:19<hermock>Hi again : regarding mdadm it failed ....
21:19<hermock>I have my container that is there but not my disk
21:19<TCW>hermock, be specific
21:20<TCW>brb... need to get to the fridge
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21:21<hermock>my array is represented by /dev/md/herm my container is here : imsm0 but not the array/disk herm .... It is activated when I run mdadm -I /dev/md/imsm0 but not at boot time
21:25<TCW>hermock, we had that already... did you read and edit /etc/default/mdadm?
21:25<TCW>or alternatively, dpkg-reconfigure mdadm
21:25<hermock>well yes i will reread
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21:27<hermock>SO in dpkg reconfigure when they ask for MD needed by the root filesys tem I answer all right ?
21:28<TCW>hermock, I have no idea about your raid setup... show me mdadm.conf, fdisk -l, fstab and I might answer your question
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21:30<seeker7>trying to find a good channel for moodle questions i went to one on freenode and was ignored
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21:30<joesin>any suggestions on good mysql tutorials and ebooks?
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21:31<seeker7>joesin: has good helps
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21:33<joesin>cheers, I am there. just trying to find what worked for others when they began... I find that someone who has attempted to learn something usually finds one better source then others...
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21:33<hermock>TCW: reconfigure failed because /dev/md/her m is not present
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21:35<kenyon>hermock: why isn't it present?
21:35<TCW>hermock, a moment ago you said it is there?
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21:36<hermock>it is there if I run mdadm -I /dev/md/imsm0 but after a fresh boot it is not here. should I run the mdadm -I and rerun the dpkgm recongigure ?
21:37<TCW>hermock, and with all those UUIDs and not partition / device names in mdadm.conf... I have _NO_ idea how your array setup is...
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21:37<TCW>what is dev/md/imsm0?
21:38<trippeh_>MD Intel ICHfakeraid compatibility.
21:38<TCW>oops? Isn't dmraid the better thing to use then?
21:39<hermock>TCW : My array is made of 2 disk /dev/sda and /dev/sdb as listed in the fdisk. It is an hardware raid managed by the Intell chip ICH8
21:39<TCW>hermock, it is _not_ a hardware raid
21:40<trippeh_>TCW: Seems like Intel is pushing the md route quite a lot recently
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21:41<trippeh_>Been submitting a whole lot of stuff to mdadm upstream
21:41<TCW>trippeh_, hu?
21:42<hermock>TCW : my initial request was becaus I was using dmraid and that my device mapped was not listed anymore in /dev/mapper. I spent more than four hour to figureout what was goi,g on with FHH on the forum who adviced me to setup mdadm....
21:43<hermock>which I did, I manage to have the array mounted but it does not survive the boot
21:44<hermock>The issue arrrived at 6PM it is almost 4AM ;)
21:44<TCW>hermock, at least I think (no idea about the impact it may have what trippeh_ said) when you use mdadm, you should only use your fakeraid ICH8 thing in "non-raid-mode"
21:45<hermock>you mean disable the raid in the BIOS ?
21:45<trippeh_>TCW: No, mdadm is intel raid capabable nowadays.
21:45<trippeh_>For some reason, heh
21:46<trippeh_>mdadm reads and writes the native intel raid meta data
21:46<TCW>trippeh_, you see me being completely shocked and puzzled... *eek*
21:46<TCW>hermock, if trippeh_ is right, no...
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21:47<hermock>TCW I manage to mount my disk create a ext3 FS and write to it
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21:47<trippeh_>hermock: Did the initramfs/initrd get rebuilt after modifying mdadm.conf?
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21:48<moldovean>hermock, uname -r , says ?
21:48<hermock>Well before rebooting when I did the update-grub2 it did ...
21:48<hermock>2.6.32-trunk-686 (this is where trouble happens)
21:49<TCW>2.6.32 runs here fine in a rather compley, raid, crypt, lvm setup
21:49<moldovean>2.6.32-trunk-686 is obsolete
21:49<TCW>complex even
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21:49<hermock>trippeh_ : do you want me to init afain (mdamd -I <container>) then reconfigure mdadm ?
21:50<TCW>oh right, it should be 2.6.32-5-686! hermock, upgrade
21:50<hermock>I have it to ...
21:50<hermock>ok let me boo on the 5 .... i'll be back
21:50<trippeh_>hermock: Was more thinking of update-initramfs -k 2.6.32-trunk-686 -u or something
21:51<trippeh_>update-grub never rebuilds initrds, just scans for them?
21:51<dotCOMmie>when i install debian from testing install image i get a "no kernel modules were found error"
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21:51<moldovean>hermock, upgrade to last 2.6.32-5-686
21:51<dotCOMmie>tried both full and net install
21:51<TCW>I can't remember what issues -trunk-image had... better upgrade / boot -5 and being on the safe side imho
21:51<kenyon>judd: kernel
21:51<judd>Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.35-trunk-686 (2.6.35-1~experimental.2); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-20); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-18); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-15~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-24lenny1); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2)
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21:52<dotCOMmie>does anyone recall the name of the debian installer rolled with fresh kernels?
21:52<dotCOMmie>TCW: thx
21:52<dpkg>For Debian Lenny installers with up-to-date kernels, see . The <bnx2> and <bnx2x> firmware files for Linux 2.6.32 are included in 0116 images.
21:53<dotCOMmie>anyone know if it comes with atk9k?
21:53<hermock>moldovean : I did a dist upgrade this afternoon but for some strange reason I did not select the version 5
21:53<trippeh_>Wow - 4AM - bye! And good luck hermock ;)
21:54<moldovean>hermock, run aptitude update first
21:54<TCW>trippeh_, same time zone as me as it seems... where do you come from? :)
21:55<dotCOMmie>actually i know why i get the the no kernel modules were found error
21:55<kenyon>when you have a trunk kernel installed, you have to go into aptitude and manually install a normal version and remove the trunk version, at least in my experience
21:55<TCW>or just type apt-get / aptitude install linux-image-2.6.32-5-....
21:55<hermock>moldovean : reboot be back
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21:56<gsimmons>dotCOMmie: (re ath9k) Yes.
21:56<dpkg>[ath9k] a completely free (no proprietary HAL) driver for Atheros 802.11n PCI/PCI-E wireless LAN chipsets. Included in the mainline Linux kernel since 2.6.27. Lenny users: ask me about <bpo> to install a later kernel image package containing this driver. AR9287 and AR2427 are supported in Debian 2.6.32 kernel images. For USB 802.11n device support, ask me about <ar9170>.
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21:56<TCW>and of course remove -trunk... or edit /etc/default/grub to boot the right kernel (ordering is "wrong" in menu.lst / grub.cfg) with an update-grub afterwards
21:57<trippeh_>TCW: Up north - Norway.
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21:57<dotCOMmie>gsimmons: thx
21:57<TCW>trippeh_, greetings to the north then :)
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21:57<dotCOMmie>and im assuming its not part of testing installer so i should probably not even try using it
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21:58<matthew>wats there to do.........
21:58<gsimmons>TCW: The ordering issue is fixed since grub2 1.98+20100720-1.
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21:58<TCW>dotCOMmie, a recent testing installer has (should have) 2.6.32... but rather use the kmuto installer images
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21:59<Guest401>wat should i do?
21:59<TCW>gsimmons, oh... ok
21:59<TCW>Guest401, pardon?
21:59<Guest401>idk wat to do im bored
22:00<joesin>learn to spell?
22:00<TCW>Guest401, wrong channel then... this is not a social channel
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22:00<Guest401>oh im sorry..........
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22:01<hermock>TCW I have upgraded
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22:01<TCW>hermock, good for you! ;)
22:01<hermock>TCW: something iis strange when I reconfigure mdadm, it says it is generatint Generating /boot/initrd.img-2.6.32-trunk-686 shouldn't it be initrd.img-2.6.32-5-686
22:02<kenyon>it should say both if you have both kernel versions installed
22:02<TCW>hermock, just run update-initramfs -k all -u
22:02<dotCOMmie>TCW: thanks for the info i have a real reason to use kmuto.
22:02<TCW>kenyon, maybe should but does not ( at least here not either)
22:04<hermock>TCW : now my /dev/md is empty
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22:05<TCW>hermock, but is there /dev/md0 or so?
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22:06<hermock>TCW no
22:07<TCW>heso right now no arrays are assembled
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22:07<TCW>hermock, so right now no arrays are assembled
22:08<TCW>hermock, btw. why dod you use mdadm -I before?
22:08<hermock>TCW ... gimme a gun :)
22:08<TCW>hermock, no... I am a pacifist :)
22:08<hermock>i do not know I was searching for a solution and I found a post with a guy who had my exact same configuration
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22:09<TCW>hermock, next time read the manpage and not some random howto / forum / posting of $some_guy
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22:10<hermock>in fact I was following the advice of someone from this forum :)
22:10<TCW>and as a starting point the (more or less) official mdadm documentation
22:10<matthew_>how do i upgrade from xubuntu 9.10 to kubuntu 9.10
22:10<TCW>matthew_, wrong channel
22:10<matthew_>wat channel?
22:10<TCW>hermock, next time... rather don't :)
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22:11<TCW>.oO( ... )
22:11<hermock>I di not know the existence of mdadm before today 8PM
22:11<TCW>I did not know mdadm is used nowadays for ichN-fakeraids either... so... :)
22:11<pyrokamileon>can someone please help me, I've been having problems on my pc for probly a year now, I'm using Debian Lenny because whenever I install any Ubuntu on my system it works fine until I finish setting it up properly and things start going very strange
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22:12<TCW>hermock, anyway... where are we?
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22:12<hermock>well for me it is wordt I even have no container for my raid array
22:12<pyrokamileon>and today for no reason at all i tried booting up my pc and grub can't mount my system partition
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22:13<TCW>pyrokamileon, if you have problems / questions about debian, go for it... for ubuntu issues we only accept rants :)
22:13<hermock>TCW do you thin that since I updated initramfs I should reboot ?
22:13<TCW>hermock, did you read /etc/default/mdadm? Yould you paste that file?
22:13<pyrokamileon>lol honestly when my system starts going bad I don't know what to do about it but make sure my things are backed up and reinstall
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22:14<pyrokamileon>I'm running Lenny 64bit and I'm getting an Error 17: Cannot mount selected partition
22:14<TCW>could... I really wonder what gnome does change the keys on my keyboard all the time! :)
22:14<hermock>TCW :
22:15<TCW>pyrokamileon, google for "error 17", I have seen it before, but don't remember exactly what it was...
22:15<pyrokamileon>I plugged in my install thumbdrive and went into rescue mode and reinstalled Grub because a little searching told me that that was a Grub error
22:16<pyrokamileon>at this point I'm starting to seriously consider bad hardware because this crap seems to happen every other month or so
22:16<TCW>hermock, does look ok... you could unpack the 2.6.35-5-... inird to see what stuff (mdadm related) is there... or just reboot and unpack the initrd if it did not create the array this time :)
22:16<pyrokamileon>I just don't know where to start for investigating hardware issues
22:16<hermock>TCW on my way
22:16<pyrokamileon>I've done SMART checks on my HDD and everything's always come up healthy
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22:17<TCW>pyrokamileon, of course it is grub related... but error 17 has a special meaning... and investigating this issue it is rather important to know what thet error means :)
22:18<pyrokamileon>yes I'm definitely going to have to read up on it some more I'm just starting to get tired of this reoccuring issue... I have read up on it a little bit but I don't understand it that well...
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22:19<TCW>pyrokamileon, at least one thing you know for sure... your issue is grub / hdd related... something (intentionally or not) is messing with your boot setup around
22:20<hermock>TCW : it is back ther .... I have the /dev/md/imsm0
22:20<TCW>or buggy hardware does it for you :)
22:20<pyrokamileon>oh and by the way after I reinstalled Grub the error message got a bit more detailed now it also said filesystem type unknown, partition type 0x82
22:20<TCW>hermock, just for me to know, please file -Ls /dev/md/imsm0 and paste the output
22:21<hermock> /dev/md/imsm0 -> ../md127
22:21<moldovean>0x82 is swap partition
22:21<TCW>pyrokamileon, 0x82 is swap....
22:22<TCW>hermock, "file -Ls" not ls -l
22:22<hermock>sorry it is 430
22:22<hermock>file -Ls /dev/md/imsm0
22:22<hermock>/dev/md/imsm0: empty
22:22<TCW>he4:22 here... your clock needs some tuning :p
22:23<pyrokamileon>I wish I knew what this problem was doing to my old Ubuntu setups I would boot the system after install and start removing things, adding things, setting it up right and just after i'd be done and sit down to use it (at least this last time) I would click on something and nothing would react so i'd give it a moment and try again and then maybe a minute later things would react in slow motion and I'd start getting error messages th
22:23<pyrokamileon>at were basically just lines of square letters!!
22:23<TCW>hermock, empty... interesting... and what yould it be? I thought this is the actual array and there should be "something" on it?
22:24<hermock>man file
22:24<hermock>whell this is a link no ?
22:25<TCW>hermock, "file" does just have a look at the file or device specified and somewhat guesses what it is (and does a rather good job there)
22:25<hermock>well this is not the array this is just the container
22:25<TCW>hermock, container?
22:25<hermock>honestly I do not know but I can show you how I get to my disk
22:25<pyrokamileon>so if it thinks my system partition is a swap, can I fix that? I already reinstalled grub, wouldn't that have updated it and reassigned partitions?
22:26<TCW>hermock, wait there, please :)
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22:26<TCW>pyrokamileon, it is not about "reassigning partitions" it is about "fixing grub / configureing it right"
22:27<TCW>hermock, coudl you paste /proc/mdstat please?
22:27<moldovean>pyrokamileon, ask #grub on
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22:27<TCW>pyrokamileon, btw. is it grub1 or 2?
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22:28<TCW>if it is grub1, the folks on #grub@freenode are not very willingly helping there, as they consider grub1 as obsolete
22:28<pyrokamileon>I'm kinda new to IRC, I'm using xchat, would I just open up a new server tab and tell it to go to #grub?
22:29<TCW>pyrokamileon, so... paste /boot/grub/menu.lst and the output of fdisk -l
22:29<pyrokamileon>i'm mainly using grub legacy because it came with Lenny
22:30<TCW>pyrokamileon, more or less... but the server needs to be a freenode server, but as said with grub1 I wouldn't cound on help there
22:30<TCW>count even
22:30<pyrokamileon>lol ok thanks
22:30<TCW>hermock, mdadm -S /dev/md127
22:31<hermock>mdadm: stopped /dev/md127
22:31<pyrokamileon>well I'm using a different system to chat with, I can bring up menu.lst and type parts in here, what would be worth knowing?
22:31<TCW>hermock, now /proc/mdstat again, did anything change?
22:32<hermock>yep empty now
22:32<TCW>pyrokamileon, use http://paste.debian.ent to paste the whole file
22:32<TCW>hermock, and how about /dev/md*? All gone now?
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22:33<hermock>yop gone
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22:34<hermock>TCW : yes it is gone
22:34<pyrokamileon>but that system is not booting... im in grub's command line now, and I can use my install thumbdrive to enter rescue mode but neither connects to the internet
22:34<TCW>hermock, let me read the manpage of mdadm... I need to clrify something for me first :)
22:34<pyrokamileon>I can load a live disc
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22:35<TCW>pyrokamileon, wee need some infos to know how to fix anything...
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22:36<pyrokamileon>ok, hold on
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22:40<TCW>hermock, what does "mdadm --assemble --scan --auto=yes" do?
22:41<hermock>mdadm: Container /dev/md/imsm0 has been assembled with 2 drives
22:42<TCW>you do have /etc/init.d/mdadm-raid?
22:43<hermock>TCW: mdadm: Container /dev/md/imsm0 has been assembled with 2 drives
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22:44<TCW>hermock, and how would you "get to your filesystzems" now? Don't do it, just tell me :)
22:45<hermock>wel at that stage I do mdadm -I /dev/md/imsm0 .... it will create the file /dev/md/herm .... that I can easily mount
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22:46<TCW>hermock, ok... so just try mdadm -A /dev/md/imsm0
22:46<hermock>mdadm: /dev/md/imsm0 not identified in config file.
22:47<hermock>TWC : mdadm -A /dev/md/imsm0
22:47<hermock>TWC : mdadm: /dev/md/imsm0 not identified in config file.
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22:47<TCW>hermock, if you try to highlight me, do it right :p
22:47<hermock>TCW sorry
22:48<TCW>somehow I don't get the concept of that container stuff with mdadm...
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22:50<pyrokamileon>ok the menu.lst is on
22:50<hermock>TCW : what I understand is that now that we have the container of the array we have to start it : same command with -R no ?
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22:52<TCW>"If a CONTAINER is passed to mdadm in this mode, then any arrays within that container will be assembled and started. <- ahhh!
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22:53<moldovean>hermock, have to put somehow that " /dev/md/imsm0" in /etc/ mdadm config
22:53<TCW>hermock, so basically -I was right... thet option does have two meanings as it seems...
22:54<hermock>TCW : I think it has to be appended ... I think I so something on wikipedia
22:54<TCW>moldovean, I rather think there is some code missing in debian to handle that "new" container / fakeraid stuff
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22:54<TCW>but as I've heard about this just an hour ago the first time... no real idea then :)
22:55<TCW>"If a CONTAINER is passed to mdadm in this mode, then any arrays within that container will be assembled and started." <- hermock, this is the -I option too, as in "incemental assembly", look it up in the manpage of mdadm
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22:56<TCW>Incremental Assembly <- there is a paragraph named like this
22:56<hermock>TCW I agree .... this is where I got the magical word container :)
22:56<TCW>pyrokamileon, and fstab / fdisk -l?
22:59<pyrokamileon>fstab is
22:59<pyrokamileon>fdisk -l didn't do anything, but then again I am signed in as a live user through a live disc
23:00<TCW>pyrokamileon, what live cd, what user
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23:01<hermock>TCW : what about the auto option in the mdadm.conf ?
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23:01<TCW>hermock, what about it?
23:02<pyrokamileon>Ubuntu 9.04 64bit, anything newer and my linksys wireless adapter won't work, I think it's just considered a live user...
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23:02<TCW>pyrokamileon, but the system is a debian system?
23:02<hermock>This option declares to mdadm that it should try to create the device file of the array if it doesn't already exist, or exists but with the wrong device number.
23:02<hermock>TCW : above
23:03<pyrokamileon>that's the other reason I'm still using Debian Lenny Stable (because of my wireless adapter) and probably won't upgrade to unstable or squeeze or anything else until I can figure out a better wireless solution...
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23:04<TCW>hermock, that is what --assamble --auto=yes does... and we did that already, you remember? And the oucome was /dev/md/imsmsomethingN
23:05<xinliGG>send wrong channel
23:05<TCW>xinliGG, really nice looking letters / symbols... but I guess no-one can read them here... in other words, english please :)
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23:06<pyrokamileon>yeah I wonder what I gotta add so I can see those letters correctly? :-D
23:06<TCW>hermock, that is where my confussion with this "container thing" starts... as said, never seen it before and right now it looks rather strange to me, like an array in an array...
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23:07<TCW>pyrokamileon, your client needs to be utf8 and you need to have the correct font package for japanese (I guess) installed
23:08<TCW>could be chinese too... no idea :)
23:08<pyrokamileon>yeah that'd be cool
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23:09<TCW>pyrokamileon, anyway... can you become root with that live CD?
23:09<TCW>pyrokamileon, and a fdisk -l as root does not give _any_ output?
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23:11<pyrokamileon>yes it does! :-) and sda8 IS my swap!... I have no idea how that could have been switched to that...
23:11<pyrokamileon>let me make a link for it
23:12<TCW>pyrokamileon, huh?
23:13<pyrokamileon>under my menu.lst is was saying that root was sda8... I just assumed since this current install has been working for at least a few months that it must be set up right
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23:13<pyrokamileon>but the fdisk says that sda8 is swap!
23:13<moldovean>/dev/sda8 none swap sw
23:13<pyrokamileon>I'm going to change my menu.lst to reflect the correct root address but I'm going to use UUID
23:14<hermock>TCW : let me see if there is not something wrong with the bios hardware raid ... i will recreate it ... in case dmaraid I was using previously badly ovewrite something
23:14<pyrokamileon>grub legacy does NOT need to be updated to see the new menu.lst, right?
23:14<TCW>pyrokamileon, you can edit grub menu as it is started (while booting) hit "e" and change the kernel command line
23:16<TCW>root (hd0,7) <- could be also wrong (I never get it in my brain if grub starts counting partitions from 0 or 1)
23:17<moldovean>grub1 starts from 0
23:17<TCW>pyrokamileon, /dev/sda7 (line 11 on the last paste) is /boot?
23:18<TCW>moldovean, so hd0,0 is sda1 for example?
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23:18<TCW>pyrokamileon, so the root entry in your menu.lst is also wrong
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23:19<TCW>hermock, I don't think there is something wrong with your BIOS / hardware
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23:20<TCW>hermock, if no-one here has more knowledge about that container thing... maybe try asking on 'debian-boot, but be patient there.
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23:20<pyrokamileon>well sda7 is my /
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23:20<pyrokamileon>I'm not sure why it got number so strange but I have a winxp partition, sda4 is the extended partition
23:20<TCW>pyrokamileon, may be, but (hd0,7) is sda8
23:21<pyrokamileon>winxp being sda1
23:21<moldovean>pyrokamileon, ls -al /dev/disk/by-uuid/
23:21<pyrokamileon>yeah that's why I didnt' question it at first...
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23:22<TCW>pyrokamileon, what is sda6 then?
23:22<moldovean>pyrokamileon, ls -al /dev/disk/by-id/
23:22<pyrokamileon>I think sda8 is my swap, 7 is /, 6 is /home and 5 is an ntfs data partition
23:22<pyrokamileon>sorry i've already rebooted, can I do that from the grub command line?
23:23<TCW>pyrokamileon, first... ignoe sda1-5, only 6-8 matters (for us right now)
23:23<TCW>pyrokamileon, just edit (hit "e") the menu and boot the machine
23:24<pyrokamileon>now what?
23:24<TCW>that means "root (hd0,6)" and "kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.26-2-amd64 root=/dev/sda7 ro single"
23:25<TCW>pyrokamileon, already booted?
23:26<pyrokamileon>no what I meant was I already got out of the live disc
23:27<pyrokamileon>I hit e on the grub menu and edited the boot like you said and it booted up just like normal!
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23:27<TCW>pyrokamileon, fine... now make those changes permanent
23:28<pyrokamileon>thank you very much for all your help... but assuming this is what usually happens what could be causing it??
23:28<hermock>TCW : I give up I am going to have a look in bios and I go to sleep
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23:29<TCW>pyrokamileon, and have a close look in the future about that issue... like see if something does change menu.lst again
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23:31<pyrokamileon>ok well I'm gonna get going, thank very much for all your help, goodnight
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23:36<TCW>I'll hit the bed too... night
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