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#debian IRC Logs for 2010-08-22

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00:59<kofian>hola
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01:58<ludwig>hello!
01:59<ludwig>Has someone an idea how to get BIND and SIG(0) to work?
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02:02<Gunni^^>is there a command i can use in ssh with a tunnel session to see what connections i am currently using?
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02:03<andres_>Hi
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02:08<kenyon>Gunni^^: netstat -a
02:09<Gunni^^>ah thanks for reviving my memory
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02:11<Gunni^^>no i can't filter it to just me, all i see is a single ssh session
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02:11<Gunni^^>i want to just see MY tunnels, not my other users
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02:29<MichaelSOG>!bot
02:29<dpkg>I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse).
02:29<Gunni^^>!bot
02:29<dpkg>I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse).
02:29<Gunni^^>!nextmap
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02:41<astronut>how do iuse xinput to disable a mouse?
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02:45<astronut> /j #xorg
02:45<astronut>grr
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02:48<jpinx-eeepc>astronut: xset maybe?
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02:56<astronut>2 mice, want one off
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02:58<jpinx-eeepc>astronut: nah - xset is global and will hit any mouses/mice
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02:59<astronut>hence me asking about xinput
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02:59<astronut>though it looks like the touchpad finally stopped going nuts
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02:59<jpinx-eeepc>!xinput
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03:00<jpinx-eeepc>Hmm
03:01*jpinx-eeepc installs xinput to see if it'll fix the madpad syndrome
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03:03<astronut>jpinx-eeepc: it lets you configure x input settings
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03:05<jpinx-eeepc>astronut: indeed it does - am reading the man now and it looks good - should be able to set each device with different parameters
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03:19<EmleyMoor>I use backported kernels on two of my systems and am using 2.6.32-bpo-3. Should I consider bpo-4 or 5?
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03:22<jpinx-eeepc>EmleyMoor: which release?
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03:24<EmleyMoor>lenny
03:27<EmleyMoor>One of my systems also says it can't authenticate backported packages...
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03:29<jpinx-eeepc>EmleyMoor: you probably need to follow the instructions on backports.org to sort out the authentication isseus
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03:33<EmleyMoor>jpinx-eeepc: Ineffective
03:34<EmleyMoor>Ah, another method worked
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03:35<Joint>hey i have a question i just recently install nvidia, by mistake, from the website, I'm using amd 64, how can i remove, the other version that i had the one that i install with the driver
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03:37<jpinx-eeepc>what was the pther method?
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05:04<colinjw>hello?
05:04<jpinx-eeepc>!ask
05:04<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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05:27<kukac>hi, is it possible to install debian on a 64 megabyte flash memory to boot as thin client over network? I am unable to find a tutorial about this...
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05:33<azuwis_>kukac: 64M will be a little tricky, 128M will be fine. check http://live.debian.net/ and http://www.emdebian.org/
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05:34<kukac>azuwis_: thanks. then a thin client needs more than 64 M only too boot from pxe?
05:36<luser>kukac - Maybe better to start off with something small and then only add the things you need to it. Damn Small Linux?
05:37<azuwis_>!usb install
05:37<dpkg>Yes, it is possible to install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch04s03 . To download USB stick images, ask me about <install debian>. https://launchpad.net/win32-image-writer/+download to prepare from Windows. BIOS can't boot from USB? Use http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager.html
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05:38<luser>kukac - can you network boot?
05:38<kukac>luser: sure, it is a thin client machine, hp t5520
05:38<kukac>luser: but I would like to replace wince on the flash disk
05:38<kukac>luser: with linux
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05:53<azuwis_>kukac: http://www.emdebian.org/release/grip/x289.html said at least 32Mb of memory and 24Mb of hard disk space needed.
05:54<kukac>azuwis_: thanks, fine, it is perferct for me
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05:55<azuwis_>kukac: but I doubt that
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06:00<Steppenwolf>Hi, I upgraded Perl to 5.12, now `apt-get ' will not install stuff, saying Can't locate "Dbconf/Db.pm in @INC"
06:01<Steppenwolf>Any ideas of how to fix?
06:01<babilen>,versions perl
06:01<judd>perl -- etch: 5.8.8-7etch6; etch-security: 5.8.8-7etch6; lenny: 5.10.0-19lenny2; sid: 5.10.1-14; squeeze: 5.10.1-14; experimental: 5.12.1-1
06:02<babilen>Steppenwolf: Well, downgrade Perl. Why did you install an experimental version of such an important package? How did you upgrade Perl?
06:02<babilen>Which version of Debian are you using?
06:03<Steppenwolf>through a tgz from CPAN
06:03<Steppenwolf>why upgrade?,, Thats the stable present version
06:03<avu>time to get out the backup from before you did that rather stupid thing :)
06:04<babilen>Well, uninstall that and install Perl 5.12 to user local. That might unfuck your system.
06:04<Steppenwolf>I agree about stupic, but how do I downgrade?
06:04<babilen>err /usr/local :)
06:04<Steppenwolf>--prefix=/usr/local
06:04<Steppenwolf>?
06:05<avu>Steppenwolf, you might still be able to use dpkg to downgrade, that might leave things behind though as you didn't upgrade using a package. best bet really would be the backup
06:05<babilen>Steppenwolf: I guess you can uninstall the Perl version from upstream - they might ship with an "uninstall" make target which enables you to do "make uninstall" -- ask #perl on freenode
06:05<babilen>avu: Why use dpkg - he installed from a tarball
06:05<Steppenwolf>Ta
06:05<avu>babilen, because now he wants back the version from debian..
06:05<avu>babilen, which would be installed using dpkg
06:06<Steppenwolf>which dosn't work
06:06<avu>well, you only told us apt-get doesn't work
06:06<babilen>Steppenwolf: You still have the Debian package installed, don't you?
06:06<Steppenwolf>aptitude refuses too
06:06<avu>Steppenwolf, I'm not talking about using any apt-tool but dpkg directly
06:07<luser>download a tarball of the debian perl, and configure/make/install that
06:07<babilen>Steppenwolf: What does "dpkg -l perl" give you? (the last line)
06:08<avu>luser, wtf, no.
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06:08<avu>babilen, how woul thaqt help? he obviously overwrote at least parts of his debian package
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06:08<Steppenwolf>+++-==============-==============-============================================
06:08<Steppenwolf>ii perl 5.10.1-14 Larry Wall's Practical Extraction and Report
06:08<avu>yes, we knew that..
06:09<babilen>avu: No, he installed perl to /usr/local which shadows the installation from Debian - #!/usr/bin/env perl will give you the 5.12 not 5.10 ...
06:09<avu>babilen, he didn't.
06:10<avu>even if he did (which you don't know), the comman you told him wouldn't help you find out
06:10<babilen>Steppenwolf: So, to get that straight - How did you install Perl? What does "which perl" give you? Which version of Perl do you get when you run /usr/bin/perl?
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06:10<Steppenwolf>i5.12
06:10<Steppenwolf>5.12
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06:11<Steppenwolf>Should have configured to --prefix=/usr/local
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06:11<Steppenwolf>and then had a hashline #!/usr/local/bin/perl
06:11<avu>babilen, also, debian tools (like debconf, from which he reported the error) don't use /usr/bin/env perl
06:11<Steppenwolf><sigh>
06:11<avu>babilen, they use #!/usr/bin/perl
06:11<babilen>that is bad -- You should have the Debian package in /var/cache/apt/archives/ and you can install that with "dpkg -i name_of_the_package.deb"
06:12<avu>babilen, which is what I told him from the beginning...
06:12<Steppenwolf>Will go do that, thanks all
06:12<avu>I call weekend syndrome
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06:15<Steppenwolf><sigh> dpkg -i perl_5.10
06:15<Steppenwolf>Can't locate Dpkg.pm
06:16<babilen>... backups
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06:21<avu>Steppenwolf, you can try unpacking the .deb (using ar(1)) and then extract data.tar.gz to / - you may also need more than just the perl .deb
06:21<avu>Steppenwolf, also, look at this as a nice reminder from the universe that backups really are a nice thing to have :)
06:24<Steppenwolf>been fiddling, will try.. Thanks
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06:30<luser>Steppenwolf - what's your @INC? Could you just symlink your way out of the problem, if you still have /usr/share/perl5/Debbugs/Versions/Dpkg.pm
06:31<luser>(that's the experimental location, previously it was in /usr/share/perl5/Dpkg.pm)
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06:32<ludwig>nsupdate does not recognize neither the private- nor the public keyfile
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06:45<Steppenwolf>Hey, cd /usr/bin, then ln -sf perl5.10.1 perl
06:45<Steppenwolf>and it workss!
06:46<Steppenwolf>Now, print up in Laaarrggesss letters , "Don't upgrade"
06:47<Steppenwolf>"without backups"
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06:54<borkup831>А ПОЧЕМУ ВСЕ ЖЕ ПОБЕЖДАЮТ ШАРИКОВЫ-ШВОНДЕР-КОвиИЧИ
06:54<borkup831> go...oo!!! http://teren.uaforums.net/--vf4.html
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07:07<yellow>sudo apt-get install install vncviewer
07:09<yellow>couldn't find package vncviewer
07:09<yellow>how?
07:10<abrotman>in which version of Debian?
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07:14<yellow>ubuntu 10.4
07:14<abrotman>yellow: then you should ask #ubuntu on irc.freenode.net
07:15<yellow>ok ths
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07:50<phoenix>hello, I am trying to change my log in screen in gnome, but I cannot because I get a "weird" menu
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07:51<phoenix>http://yfrog.com/7fsampleasp that's the menu I get
07:51<phoenix> can anybody help me please?
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07:53<P3t3r>whars wrong phoenix
07:53<abrotman>phoenix: how is that weird?
07:54<phoenix>I cannot find in this menu how to change the picture
07:54<phoenix>in the log in screen
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07:54<abrotman>gdmsetup ?
07:54<phoenix>yeap
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08:00<phoenix>anyone has a clue about how to change my login screen
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08:06<smv>phoenix, edit /etc/gdm3/greeter.gconf-defaults
08:12<ludwig>still nobody who can help setup BIND9 + nsupdate?
08:12<smv>abrotman, phoenix gdmsetup isn't working for gdm3, only for gdm
08:12<abrotman>didn't notice it was gdm3
08:12<abrotman>he didn't say either?
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08:15<smv>abrotman, he didn't, but the provided picture proves it's gdm3
08:15<abrotman>didn't notice .. haven't really mucked with it yet
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08:20<cahoot>a bit strange that boot/login screens render som much interest, I thought those were things you don't want to linger on for any length of time
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08:21<abrotman>cahoot: computer lab ?
08:21<cahoot>hmm you're hinting there are more than single user setups in life?
08:22<abrotman>shocker
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08:26<monster>hello
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08:27<pavi>a very silly n00b question : How do i change keyboard layout in fluxbox ? I don't have gnome/KDE layout switchers
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08:29<locklace>!keymap
08:29<dpkg>Lenny users: To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap", ask me about <drxx>, use kcontrol, gnome-control-center or similar. For setting up X keymaps, also check out xkeycaps, xev and ask me about <multimedia keys>. In console you can also use "loadkeys" for once-only/temporary adjustments. Squeeze users: "dpkg-reconfigure console-setup" for both console and X.
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08:31<pavel_>Hi all! Can you help me to search info, about mount ntfs file system (internal hdd) in my backtrack 4? I see not all`s folder on drive.. =|
08:32<locklace>!backtrack
08:32<dpkg>BackTrack is not Debian and is not supported in #debian (ask me about <based on debian>). Try http://www.backtrack-linux.org/ or #backtrack-linux on irc.freenode.net instead. BackTrack is a Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu> Intrepid (as of BackTrack 4), previously <SLAX>. Derived from merging two penetration-testing distributions: WHAX (formerly WHOPPIX) and Auditor Security Linux.
08:32<pavel_>mm.. ok =)
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08:44<ox42>On arm arch why isn't there a grub package ? (squuze|lenny)
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08:46<abrotman>isn't there a different bootloader?
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08:46<ox42>I'm newb so perhaps there is (my first time installing deb on an arm machine)
08:46*ox42 but not a debian n00b
08:47<abrotman>there is a #debian-arm .. or read the arm installation manual
08:48*ox42 is out to debian-arm ...
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10:31<hermock>Ihave an issue with mdadm : the link to my array container /de/ms/ims<smthing> is not there at start up ... But it is there if I use mdadm --asemble
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10:44<ylmfos>请问支持中文吗?
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10:45<amobius>greetings
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10:55<hermock>Je suis en sid et je veux reinstaller la version squeeze pour ce faire je veux tout reinstaller ou puis je trouver la version bootnet iso pour sqeeze ? sur le site debian je n'ai trouvé que la stable
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10:56<hermock>oups sorry I am in sid and want to reinstall to squeeze where can I find the iso image for net boot ?
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10:58<abrotman>hermock: debian.org/devel/debian-installer .. get a daily, not hte alpha1
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10:59<hermock>thanks
10:59<Sigur>abrotman: why not the alpah1?
11:00<abrotman>alpha1? because it's a few months old
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11:02<Sigur>what can I use to automount removable devices? halevt?
11:03<abrotman>!automount
11:03<dpkg>If you're running one of the desktop environments in Debian, then ask me about <gnome-volume-manager>, <kde automount>, or <thunar-volman>. If you want something for the command line, then ask me about <halevt>, <ivman>, or <usb mount>. For a completely different approach to automounting, ask me about <autofs>.
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11:54<bb>hello
11:54<bb>test
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11:55<blarson>!tell bb about ask
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11:55<bb>i am new man in xchat..
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12:04<Eliad1>hi bb
12:05<dvs>he's gone
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12:17<darsie>Hi! What can I do so Linux uses all 4 GB RAM? I already use 2.6.32-5-686-bigmem and it still uses only 3113636 KB.
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12:18<lindi->darsie: dmesg?
12:18<darsie>The BIOS sees 4 GB, but says 3 GB are usable.
12:18<darsie>lindi-: which part?
12:19<darsie>I'll pastebin everything...
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12:19<cahoot>need and amd64 kernel?
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12:20<abrotman>no
12:20<abrotman>darsie: check your BIOS
12:20<abrotman>if your BIOS says only 3GB are usable, sounds like a hardware issue
12:21<dvs>onboard video?
12:21<darsie>http://paste.debian.net/84993/
12:21<abrotman>1GB?
12:21<darsie>There's no video onboard.
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12:22<abrotman>right, fix your BIOS
12:22<darsie>Hmm, I can't fix the BIOS. If I do, the Computer won't boot any more. There's something wrong.
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12:22<not_david>can anyone recommend a light weight gtk front end for power management?
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12:26<darsie>Did the dmesg give any insights?
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12:30<abrotman>darsie: it's a bios issue ..
12:30<babilen>darsie: certain chipsets (Intel 945 for example) don't support more than 3.2GB of RAM ... might be your problem
12:30<abrotman>darsie: if your BIOS says you can only see 3GB, you can only see 3GB
12:30<darsie>"BIOS-provided physical RAM map:" Does that mean the kernel doesn't check the RAM size?
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12:31<darsie>abrotman: BIOS sees 4 GB, but says 3 are usable.
12:31<abrotman>right .. that's the problem
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12:31<darsie>ok
12:31<darsie>thx
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12:32<Gathond>darsie: it is not as such because it does not check, but because the chipset can't see more than 3 of them, as the memory controller there is limited to 4 GB (could be the bios, but if that was the case I would have expected them to just patch that)
12:32<darsie>But if a BIOS upgrade could fix the problem, couldn't it be done by Linux, too?
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12:34<MrQuincle>Dear people, is there somewhere a place to "lobby" for sponsoring? A poll perhaps?
12:35<darsie>Ask potential sponsors?
12:35<MrQuincle>:) How do I know them?
12:35<darsie>yellow pages?
12:35<MrQuincle>:D Thanks! :)
12:35<darsie>yw :)
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12:36<MrQuincle>But serious. http://mentors.debian.net/cgi-bin/sponsor-pkglist?action=details;package=delta3d is the package I talk about.
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12:36<MrQuincle>I have no clue how to do this, I don't want to be rude somehow.
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12:39<hermock>hi all
12:39<hermock>fhh: hither
12:39<hermock>fhh: hi there
12:40<mju>MrQuincle: are you looking for the debian-mentors mailing list?
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12:41<MrQuincle>Ah, that might very well be the case.
12:41<MrQuincle>Do they also have an IRC channel?
12:42<mju>!tell MrQuincle about mentors
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12:43<MrQuincle>thanks mju
12:44<mju>you're welcome
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12:59<Niluge_KiWi>Hi, I'm on debian lenny with kernel 2.6.32-bpo.4-amd64; I'm trying to run ftp passive mode: iptables accepts all incoming RELATED and ESTABLISHED connexions; I loaded ip_conntrack_ftp; and no connexion is marked RELATED, thus no passive ftp works...
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13:00<Niluge_KiWi>it seems ip_conntrack_ftp doesn't work
13:00<Niluge_KiWi>Am I missing something?
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13:09<Eliad1>hi, can any one help me with this?
13:09<Eliad1>I'm now using gnome 2.30.2 in squeeze. I switched to a kde4 session as another user. but now my gnome session became darker. this shouldn't happen, right?
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13:11<mju>Niluge_KiWi: just a rough guess: the clients needs to make at least one connection? (Before opening further.)
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13:13<Eliad1>no comments?
13:13<Niluge_KiWi>mju: the ftp connexion works, the issue appears when the client issues the command PASV
13:13<Niluge_KiWi>the servers answers the temporary port
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13:13<Niluge_KiWi>and conntrack_ftp should catch this, and mark the traffic RELATED
13:14<Niluge_KiWi>and it seems it doesn't do that
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13:16<Niluge_KiWi>to check this I grep on /prc/net/nf_conntrack and there is nothing RELATED
13:16<Niluge_KiWi>proc*
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13:20<Niluge_KiWi>The only non standard thing I do is using non standard port for FTP, maybe ip_conntrack_ftp has to be configured for that?
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13:21<babilen>Niluge_KiWi: #netfilter on freenode might be worth a try as well
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13:21<Niluge_KiWi>ok, thank you
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13:27<luser>Niluge_KiWi - there is a suspiciously-named module parameter: 42 module_param_array(ports, ushort, &ports_c, 0400);
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13:28<Niluge_KiWi>indeed, someone at #netfilter pointed me to modinfo, I didn't know such mechanism
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13:42<Niluge_KiWi>ok so the answer was rmmod nf_conntrack_ftp && modprobe nf_conntrack_ftp ports=my_non_standard_port
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13:42<Niluge_KiWi>thank you!
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13:48<luser>!ask
13:48<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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14:12<hermock>I i have a problem with the connection manager that does not detect my connection
14:13<hermock>althougth it is there
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14:39<cahoot>connection manager = network manager?
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14:40<cahoot>does iwlist scan show any AP's?
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14:45<amphi_>wicd seems to work well for me, FWIW
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14:49<cahoot>amphi: idem
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15:09<MrFrood>Does anybody know what the equivalent of 'bash -login' would be for dash?
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15:11<downtown>hello
15:11<downtown>.time
15:11<locklace>MrFrood: dash -l. same argument works for just about every shell
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15:12<MrFrood>ta, can you explain "When first starting, the shell inspects argument 0, and if it begins with a dash ‘-’, the shell
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15:12<MrFrood>from the man page
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15:15<locklace>MrFrood: do you understand how execve(2) works
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15:18<MrFrood>not yet, I'm just starting to teach myself shell scripting. Let have a look at the man page...
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15:20<locklace>MrFrood: whenever a program is executed, an argument array is passed to it. the first (0th) element of the array is what appears in the output of ps(1) and is by convention set by the caller of execve() to the program's own name, but can be set to other things
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15:21<locklace>MrFrood: also by convention, /bin/login sets the 0th argument of your shell to the shell's name with a - prepended when it executes it
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15:26<MrFrood>ok, I think I got the big picture if not the detail. Many thanks I really did not have clue about that bit of the man page before.
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15:39<usuario_>ola
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15:40<usuario_>ola
15:40<usuario_>eoo
15:40<locklace>!es-social usuario_
15:40<dpkg>usuario_: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador por favor ingresa al canal social de #debian-es con /join #debian-es-cachondeo. Tus amigos probablemente ya esten ahi.
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15:41<usuario_>hola
15:42<usuario_>adios
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15:54<downloadfrenzy>hi aditiya
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16:14<rybycy>hi
16:15<rybycy>if i want to have a choice in grub if i start my system with or without gdm
16:15<rybycy>what should i do ?
16:16<rybycy>who
16:17<old>rybycy: I think defining additional runlevels might be helpful.
16:18<rybycy>ok, thank you
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16:42<luser>What's the best way to make sure that all shells in xterms have picked up the environment set in your .profile if using xdm?
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16:43<luser>By default, the .profile isn't sourced, the shells only get the .bashrc (so I could put a check there and a conditional source)
16:43<locklace>luser: bash sucks
16:43<luser>basj rocks
16:44<locklace>its braindead startup file handling is just one example of why, but it's representative
16:44<luser>But that's been inherited from shells that predate it
16:44<locklace>if you insist on using it, the standard hack is to put "if [ -f ~/.bashrc ];then;source ~/.bashrc;fi" in ~/.bash_profile
16:44<locklace>no it hasn't
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16:45<luser>I remember it back in the early 90s, when I wasn't using bash
16:45<locklace>when you get fed up with bash's bugginess and bloat, zsh will be there for you
16:45<luser>zsh is my #2 shell certainly
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16:47<luser>the 'c' shells had equal brokenness too back in the 80s, I remember
16:48<locklace>yeah, they suck even more than bash
16:48<locklace>ksh is at least honest
16:50<luser>I should look into zsh more, but some of the 'bloat' is very useful for writing efficient shell scripts
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16:51<locklace>zsh provides a large superset of bash's features with less bloat and far fewer bugs
16:51<locklace>it's just a better piece of software. always has been
16:52<locklace>but i still see no reason to write shell scripts in anything but sh. if it's not good enough, you shouldn't be writing in shell
16:53<luser>Not really, bash is the middleground between sh and something like perl
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16:53<luser>there's a whole lot of echo | sed that is completely unneccessary in bash
16:53<locklace>there's no need for a middle ground between sh and perl
16:54<luser>actually - it seems zsh has the features I need too. I last used it on an ancient BSD system, not updated for nearly a decade
16:55<old>!start a shell war
16:55<dpkg>bash sucks!
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16:55<locklace>!beer dpkg
16:55*dpkg deftly decants a fine Jever for dpkg
16:55<luser>bash rocks
16:55<luser>That's what I have my sledge hammer for
16:57<luser>Hmmm, it looks like zsh has the same startup file issue that bash has (not tested, don't want to quit my session, just read the manpage)
16:57<locklace>no it doesn't
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16:58<luser>it does, because the profile isn't run in bash because there's no login shell.
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16:58<luser>and if it's not a login shell, zsh won't run the .login either
16:58<locklace>you put your shit in .zshrc and it's always run
16:59<luser>Oh please no
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17:00<luser>That which is set up once and passed between shell automatically should not be in .*shrc where it will be done repeatedly
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17:00<luser>s/shell/processes/
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17:01<luser>unless you like waste. which your anti-bloat comments earlier implied that you don't
17:01<luser>whois locklace
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17:01<locklace>dude
17:01<locklace>the correct semantic for shell startup files is to have an rc file that's always run, and a login file that's run only for login shells
17:02<luser>Yup, that's what I am saying
17:02<luser>That was my introit
17:02<locklace>bash fails because it gets the rc file processing wrong
17:02<luser>xdm does not create a login shell, not for bash, not for zsh
17:02<locklace>zsh wins because it uses .zshrc for the former and .zlogin for the latter
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17:04<luser>bash is almost equivalent because it used .bashrc for the former and .profile for the latter
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17:04<luser>I do approve of the pre- and post- aspects of the zsh login shell scripts
17:04<amphi>how reassuring ;)
17:04<luser>That fixes most of the braindeadness of most shells
17:05<luser>but if neither's run, it's irrelevant
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17:05<locklace>dude, i'm telling you. there was a time back in the 90s when i went through and analysed in detail the startup file handling of every shell, because it had to be right for a deployment
17:05<locklace>the only shell that passed all the "is this braindead" tests was zsh, so that's what was deployed
17:06<luser>There was a time in the early 90s where I rebuilt the company-approved shells in order to fix the startup script processing
17:06<locklace>fortunately it also wins in all the other ways too, so it was an easy decision
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17:10<luser>Hmmm, just installed it on one machine, and the first thing it gives me is an 'Internal error"
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17:17<luser>hmmm, chsh says "zsh is in invalid shell", that's nice
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17:19<avu>luser, you need to give it the full path as listed in /etc/shells
17:20<luser>I just did it with sudo and it worked
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17:27<luser>OK, tested it on my work machine, and zsh has _exactly_ the same issue that I first reported. Your bigotry has been proved unwarrantd.
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17:30<luser>but I'll run with zsh for a week or so and see if it proves to be less bloaty than bash
17:31<luser>It seems to have a 50% bigger RES footprint than bash, which isn't a good start
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17:32<b_52light>hi
17:32<b_52light>plz anybody using wmii ?
17:32<luser>too bloaty - dwm
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17:34<babilen>luser: hehe
17:35<b_52light>appear same :)
17:35<luser>OK, I failed - my patches to dwm take it to just over 2k lines
17:35<babilen>luser: Still one of the best WMs, even if it does not really see a lot of development from the suckless people these days. I would prefer it to dwm if it wasn't only kris developing it
17:36<luser>dabbling with awesome on one of my boxes currently. think I'll go back to dwm once the console issue is fixed
17:36<babilen>b_52light: What's your question? You might want to take a look at popcon for an answer to your original one
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17:36<b_52light>babilen, i got a fresh debian install and install wmii
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17:36<b_52light>can not start a terminal
17:36<b_52light>i type startx
17:37<b_52light>and non of the wmii move
17:37<luser>if you start dwm from one of the text consoles, and then pop back to the consoles from X, dwm's dead when you return to X again
17:37<babilen>,versions wmii
17:37<judd>wmii -- etch: 3.1-5; lenny: 3.6+debian-4; sid: 3.6+debian-8; squeeze: 3.6+debian-8
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17:38<babilen>b_52light: I would *highly* recommend installing the upstream wmii version to /usr/local -- ask dpkg about stow
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17:39<b_52light>don't think related....
17:39<b_52light>it's related
17:39<b_52light>but ok
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17:40<babilen>b_52light: MOD-Enter will start a new shell
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17:41<Milady_Draigen>Who has ever done a custom install through unetbooting for debian, as to get a different kernel?
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17:42<babilen>haven't used the ancient 3.6 version in ages and am absolutely unfamiliar with the way it is packaged in Debian. I would recommend to install a recent upstream version, create an .xsession for wmii (content is explained on suckless website → wmii → intro) and work with that.
17:44<marga>Hi! I'm setting up a dual-boot notebook for a friend, and I'd like to edit the grub menu, so that it only says "Debian GNU/Linux" and "Windows", without all the extra fuss. However, I'm finding that this is quite hard in squeeze and grub2... What's the proper way of doing it?
17:45<babilen>b_52light: You might want to create the .xsession anyway and start wmii with that. (until wmii;do \n true \n done)
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17:48<babilen>marga: How would you differentiate between different kernels? I know that you can disable generation of recovery mode entries in /etc/default/grub, but am unsure about a good way to achieve what you are trying to achieve. You might have to take a look at the files in /etc/grub.d/ -- but wouldn't recommend actually editing them.
17:49<marga>babilen: I'm looking at that, but I find it extremely un-friendly
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17:50<babilen>marga: Yeah, it really is not well documented and feels quite "automagic"
17:50<marga>:-/
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17:51<babilen>marga: The file generated by these scripts is /boot/grub/grub.cfg -- you might want to take a look at that, but your changes will be overwritten the next time a new kernel is installed (for example)
17:52<marga>babilen: ok, thanks for the pointer.
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17:53<babilen>marga: Still, a lot of logic in the scripts depends on the long names of the operating systems found by os-prober, I wouldn't tinker with that
17:55<marga>babilen: the result is really not acceptable for a newbie
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17:56<babilen>marga: Well, a newbie does not need to understand the results as the newest available kernel will be booted anyway and if said newbie wants to boot Windows she can just select it. But agreed, it might seem a little overwhelming at first.
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17:58<marga>babilen: yeah, but the list shows quite a number of unuseful stuff, including two window entries (recovery and os).
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18:00<luser>It looks like the no login shell issue with xdm (or gdm) is solved just by sourcing .profile from withing .xsessionrc
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18:01<luser>or .zprofile if you're a zsh user
18:01<babilen>marga: Agreed - I am just not aware of any supported way to achieve what you want, especially because your approach wouldn't be able to differentiate between different kernel versions. You could however directly edit /boot/grub/grub.cfg to your liking and accept that it will be rewritten once update-grub is called again
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18:02<marga>babilen: I'm copying the output generated by os-prober, putting an edited version of that in custom, and removing os-prober.
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18:04<babilen>marga: If by custom you mean /etc/grub.d/40_custom that might work -- but note that you will have to take care when you (or the unsuspecting user) upgrades the kernel. All in all, I would just accept the situation (and the need to differentiate between kernel versions) and educate the user/shorten the default boot delay ...
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18:08<babilen>marga: The kernel issue will only bite you if you change the linux names as well and remove /etc/grub.d/10_linux -- But just placing the correct "Boot Windows" stanza in 40_custom and disabling regeneration might be the best way. That way you'll have correct and working stanzas in your grub.cfg for Linux and a (never changing) one for Windows
18:08<babilen>Good luck
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18:18<franki^>Has anyone got the Googletalk video plugin working with Iceweasel?
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18:19<franki^>It shows up in my plugins menu, but if I try any of the video options in Gmail it just sends me to the download page.
18:20<franki^>(I'm using Squeeze)
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18:39<maria>Hello!
18:40<babilen>hi
18:40<maria>pets?
18:41<maria>ivan
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18:43<maria>what such
18:43<maria>?
18:43<abrotman>!debian
18:43<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, debian is http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents
18:44<maria>k pasa
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18:53<acu>good ideea - limit the number of users of #debian freenode - so we come here all :)
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18:54<abrotman>huh?
18:54<abrotman>it's not limited
18:55<acu>I want to change ownership of a folder (and all the contents within) from root to www-data - it seem that Nautilus - does not propagate the change in ownership to other files
18:55<abrotman>well, it is ...
18:55<abrotman>but it should let oyu in
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18:55<acu>I was directed to overflow :)
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18:55<acu>that is OK - if I get the answer in here - all is good
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18:57<abrotman>acu: can you try on freenode again ?
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18:58<abrotman>nm
18:58<acu>#debian :Cannot join channel (+r) - you need to be identified with services
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18:59<abrotman>wtf
18:59<acu>abrotman: it does not let me in (it seem that there are other Gladiators in Purgatory :)
18:59<acu>f is good - the main reproductive technique
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19:04<acu>OK so what command I need to give to change ownership and access to a folder chown www-data /var/www/folder/* R ; chgrp www-data /var/www/folder/* R ?
19:04<lindi->acu: doesn't nautilus have an option for this?
19:04<smv>chown -R www-data:www-data /var/www/folder
19:06<moldovean>!ro
19:06<dpkg>i guess debian-ro is #debian-ro on irc.freenode.net or irc.oftc.net.
19:06<acu>lindi- I use Konqueror usually - and it works -but I have not installed KDE only GNOME - and Nautilus does not propagate the change in ownership and access - at least in Squeeze GNOME
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19:07<lindi->acu: "Apply Permissions to Enclosed Files" doesn't do it?
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19:08<acu>nope
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19:09<lindi->acu: it only applies permissions but not ownership?
19:09<acu>I guit everything - and go again - it applies only to the folder I am applying - but it does not propagate
19:09<lindi->acu: file a bug
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19:12<acu>lindi: I am not smart enough to do it :) - but is reproducible - if I start Nautilus from root terminal - I got something like this (Nautilus:3365): Egg SMClient-Warning**: Failed to connect to the session manager: None of the authentication protoclos specified are supported - Initializin nautilus-gdu extension
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19:14<smv>acu, it has nothing to do with that.
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19:17<acu>smv: it worked like a charm :) thanks
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19:18<moldovean> man chown
19:19<Heimcomputer>Guten Abend ;)
19:19<moldovean>!de
19:19<dpkg>Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de).
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19:27<seeker7>I am trying to find a chat channel for moodle questions the one in freenode noone answers
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19:28<calum>Hi, I want to dual boot Debian Lenny with Windows 7 professional. If I install Debian to a seperate partition will Debian detect windows installed?
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19:32<calum>if I installed Debian to a second hard drive partition will the boot loader detect that windows 7 is installed?
19:32<cahoot>os-prober will
19:33<calum>what is os-prober?
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19:33<cahoot>an adjunct to grub
19:33<calum>I'm guessing it is similar to a boot loader?
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19:34<kenyon>judd: info os-prober
19:34<judd>os-prober (utils, extra): utility to detect other OSes on a set of drives. Version: 1.28; Size: 16.7k; Installed: 92k
19:34<cahoot>http://joey.kitenet.net/code/os-prober/
19:35<smv>aptitude install grub-pc usually pulls in os-prober too
19:35<calum>My current situation is: I have a dual boot of win 7 and Ubuntu 10.04 installed alongside each other and I have grub 1.98 allowing me to choose between 7 and Ubuntu. I want to replace Ubuntu with Debian
19:35<marga>calum: it's a package that has to be installed.
19:36<marga>calum: it should work out of the box.
19:36<marga>calum: I've just installed a squeeze this week, and it worked.
19:36<calum>So I go ahead and install Debian after deleting the Ubuntu partition and I can still boot into windows, no fuss?
19:37<kenyon>you can keep the partitioning, just format it during the debian install.
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19:37<calum>oh, format it over the current Ubuntu install?
19:37<cahoot>calum: debian isn't less well behaved than ubu
19:37<marga>yeah, but be careful of selecting the correct one.
19:38<calum>when I installed Ubuntu I told the PC I wanted it installed alongside windows 7.
19:38<calum>I think I know which partition it is in
19:39<cahoot>speak kindly to debian installer and all will be well
19:39<calum>And once Debian is installed, I can still go to win7 fine?
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19:40<kenyon>calum: should be fine, the debian installer should detect woe32 and add it to the grub menu
19:41<calum>I just don't want to lose my new win7 install. That was all that was worrying me
19:41<calum>I am new to this kind of thing and I do not have much experience/practise
19:41<kenyon>you won't lose it unless you format the wrong partition, but it should be obvious which one it is in the installer
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19:42<calum>One hard drive is formatted with ntfs, the other ext3 for Ubu. I guess I know which 1 to format
19:42<calum>*partition
19:42<kenyon>oh, separate hard drives, even easier
19:43<calum>sorry I meant to say partition
19:44<cahoot>calum: IIRC the installer will recogise exisitng OS'es and inform you of its findings
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19:44<calum>One more thing I was having trouble with on Debian, what was the command to fix x after it went blank and restarted from installing the ati driver? I was told to use fixvesa or something
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19:46<calum>My screen flickered/went blank when I was trying to install my ati graphics driver- my graphics card is an ati mobility radeon hd 4200
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19:50<calum>Thanks for the help, I'll try and look around for solutions for graphic drivers
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20:02<hexbomber>This is going to sound like a noob question. But I have a problem with my quad monitor setup, and there is a supposed patch available at: http://bugs.freedesktop.org/attachment.cgi?id=35383 ... How do I apply it :(
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20:06<h4k3r>hola
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20:06<h4k3r>nesecito ayuda
20:06<kenyon>!es
20:06<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat
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20:11<DaDuke>noob here
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20:30<PovAddict>hi
20:30<PovAddict>I just added debian-multimedia.org to my sources.list; how do I make apt not upgrade to packages from there by default?
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20:32<kenyon>!tell PovAddict about pinning
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20:36<dvs>PovAddict: it won't upgrade from there by default. You can run "apt-cache policy" to double check.
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20:37<PovAddict>a dozen packages appear as available for update in aptitude
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20:37<dvs>update or newly installed?
20:37<PovAddict>dvs: http://paste.debian.net/85057/
20:39<dvs>hmmm... I guess you have to pin that package then (I don't know why you'd want to if it's the newest version)
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20:40<emopart>isn't it something like
20:40<emopart>apt::default_release "something"
20:40<emopart>i can't remember
20:41<emopart>with a ; at the end
20:41<emopart>apt::default-release "stable";
20:41<emopart>in your /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/debconf
20:41<emopart>or something
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20:42<emopart>have you read the man pages?
20:42<Gateway`>hello everybody, I have a problem with the sound I can't hear anything I play. Anybody for help ? thanks
20:43<moldovean>Gateway`, on debian ? lenny or ?
20:43<Gateway`>here the sound card
20:43<Gateway`>VIA Technologies, Inc. VT1708/A [Azalia HDAC] (VIA High Definition Audio Controller)
20:43<Gateway`>moldovean, yes on lenny
20:43<moldovean>!alsaconf
20:43<dpkg>alsaconf is a formerly included <ALSA> configuration tool to detect sound cards. Removed from the alsa-utils package at version 1.0.17-1: "The only valid use-case for alsaconf is aiding the configuration of ISA sound cards." Ask me about <install alsa> and <alsa checklist>. See also http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/pkg-alsa/trunk/alsa-utils/debian/NEWS
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20:45<moldovean>Gateway`, and ,or > /msg dpkg alsa checklist
20:45<Gateway`>moldovean, thank you very much
20:46<Gateway`>everything is all right now :)
20:46<Gateway`>I just typed alsaconf on terminal and the sound card is detected and it's fine now :)
20:46<Gateway`>thank you :)
20:47<moldovean>yw
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20:48<Gateway`>moldovean, just one thing I do not have the applet for sound
20:48<Gateway`>it has disappeared :s
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20:49<moldovean>yeah , next reboot will come back
20:49<Gateway`>ok thank you :)
20:49<Gateway`>I apperciate
20:49<smv>right click on the panel and add it again
20:50<Gateway`>smv, if the problem persists after rebooting I'll do that. Thank you
20:50<Gateway`>see you guys
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21:19<PovAddict>emopart: I'm using default-release to get testing by default, with testing, unstable and experimental in sources.list
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21:19<PovAddict>but that doesn't affect debian-multimedia
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21:47<Milady_Draigen>so, after Ubuntu wouldn't use my internet apart from searching stuff on google and debian won't install... who has a great new idea I can try to run on my laptop?
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21:56<abrotman>Milady_Draigen: this channel is for Debian support .. not 'other stuff'
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21:57<Milady_Draigen>whatever
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21:58<osirisx>buggered my permissions in a full restore from backup - can someone show me the permissions of their folders in the root directory
21:58<abrotman>all of htem?
21:58<abrotman>you could show us yours, and we'll tell you what's wrong ?
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22:03<osirisx>lol ok abrotman
22:05<gmarselis>slow_news_day
22:05<osirisx>drwxr-xr-x 22 root root 4096 Aug 22 19:07 .
22:05<osirisx>drwxr-xr-x 22 root root 4096 Aug 22 19:07 ..
22:05<osirisx>drwxr-xr-x 5 root root 4096 Aug 22 10:22 backup
22:05<osirisx>drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Aug 22 19:08 bin
22:05<osirisx>drwxr-xr-x 4 root root 1024 Aug 22 19:19 boot
22:05<osirisx>drwxr-xr-x 18 root root 4300 Aug 22 19:12 dev
22:05<osirisx>drwxr-xr-x 142 root root 12288 Aug 22 21:02 etc
22:05<PovAddict>oh dear
22:05<osirisx>drwxr-xr-x 4 root root 4096 Aug 8 01:22 home
22:05<osirisx>drwxr-xr-x 12 root root 12288 Aug 22 19:35 lib
22:05<osirisx>drwx------ 2 root root 16384 Aug 8 00:01 lost+found
22:05<osirisx>drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 4096 Aug 22 19:28 media
22:05<osirisx>drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Aug 22 18:37 mnt
22:05<PovAddict>!pastebin
22:05<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <paste2pastebin.pl>, <wgetpaste>.
22:05<osirisx>drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 4096 Aug 22 19:07 opt
22:05<osirisx>dr-xr-xr-x 203 root root 0 Aug 22 18:46 proc
22:06<osirisx>drwxr-xr-x 29 root root 4096 Aug 14 18:54 root
22:06<osirisx>drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 12288 Aug 22 19:35 sbin
22:06<osirisx>drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Sep 16 2008 selinux
22:06<osirisx>drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Aug 8 00:02 srv
22:06<osirisx>drwxr-xr-x 12 root root 0 Aug 22 18:46 sys
22:06<osirisx>drwxrwxrwt 14 root root 4096 Aug 23 03:00 tmp
22:06<osirisx>drwxr-xr-x 12 root root 4096 Aug 8 21:52 usr
22:06<osirisx>drwxr-xr-x 16 root root 4096 Aug 8 21:28 var
22:06<osirisx>I just change tmp to 1777
22:06<osirisx>ok sorry
22:06<PovAddict>looks OK to me
22:07<osirisx>http://paste.debian.net/85065
22:07<abrotman>what's wrong with that?
22:07<osirisx>PovAddict don't they need to world writable?
22:08<abrotman>absolutely not
22:08<PovAddict>hell no
22:08<PovAddict>directories inside maybe (depends on which), but the root directories themselves no
22:08<osirisx>ok I guess it was only tmp that was screwed and I fixed that
22:08<abrotman>that would be .. *super-duper-UBER* bad :)
22:08<osirisx>ok thanks guys
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22:44<ZedNull>well I wasn't expecting this to autojoin me... hi everyone
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22:49<ZedNull>i take it no one cares that i'm talking...
22:49<ZedNull>oh cool, alephnull. nice nick.
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22:51<alephnull>ZedNull: I seem to be popular today. I just got someone kicked from #perl after commenting on my nick.
22:51<ZedNull>i guess people over in #perl aren't as fond of math?
22:52<alephnull>ZedNull: Or drunk on power. It's a regular kickfest this morning.
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22:52<ZedNull>no bans though, right?
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22:54<ZedNull>when i'm +o on this other server, i find kicks can keep people in line enough... I rarely ban, unless someone persistently trolls.
22:55<alephnull>ZedNull: Fair enough. I might have joined in the middle of a troll.
22:56<ZedNull>sometimes i think there are too many trolls, yet sometimes i'm the troll.
22:57*abrotman points at #debian-offtopic
22:57<ZedNull>ah. I was accidentally autojoined to this channel; didn't realize that one existed. my bad.
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22:59<ZedNull>while i'm on the topic (and before I press my luck too far) which server is this on? I've set up enough debian systems that I should hop on here and help sometimes, in more peak hours
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23:02<ZedNull>thanks, i'll keep it in mind. Is it usually this idle, or are debian questions popular during the day?
23:02<ZedNull>a lot of join/quits like madhur?
23:03<abrotman>depends on the time of the day .. late sunday evening .. not many people
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23:11<selcofos>hello
23:11<ZedNull>ahoy
23:11<selcofos>hi ned
23:11<selcofos>zed
23:12<selcofos>i mean...
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23:12<selcofos>havent sleep since friday almost...
23:12<ZedNull>well damn
23:13<selcofos>no wonder why....
23:14<ZedNull>it shouldn't take that long to install a new os... haha
23:14<selcofos>hahahaha
23:14<selcofos>well
23:14<selcofos>they were 5
23:15<selcofos>and the trouble maker was ventana....
23:15<ZedNull>...?
23:16<selcofos>you know how i know you re gay?
23:16<ZedNull>because you sniffed my dick?
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23:16<selcofos>i mean
23:17<selcofos>you are a geek
23:17<selcofos>damn words
23:17<ZedNull>i bite the heads off of chickens?
23:17<selcofos>roosters maybe
23:17<ZedNull>"The origin of the term dates back to the late 1800s. A geek was a carnival performer who bit off the head of a chicken or was part of a freak show."
23:17<selcofos>omg
23:17<selcofos>i cant believe u just Cp that sentence...
23:18<ZedNull>it was easy enough to find
23:18<ZedNull>google search for geek chickens
23:18<selcofos>u are a geek,... >P
23:18<selcofos>google is not the answer
23:18-!-insigne [~insigne@201-27-235-232.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #debian
23:18<ZedNull>first result has that section of the sentences as it's text before clicking the link
23:18<ZedNull>i knew how to find it
23:18<ZedNull>google isn't the answer, just a tool
23:19<selcofos>you like toolz
23:19<selcofos>where are u from zed_
23:19<selcofos>?
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23:19<selcofos>im from Argentina
23:19<ZedNull>US of A, east coast.
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23:19<selcofos>far far away
23:19<selcofos>i want to know
23:19<ZedNull>yeah
23:20<selcofos>which is you favourite computer brand
23:20<selcofos>around there
23:20<ZedNull>as in hardware manufacturer?
23:20<selcofos>when i say you, i mean all of you
23:20<selcofos>yup
23:20<ZedNull>oh... for universities, def. Dell
23:20<selcofos>ew
23:20<ZedNull>for consumer, maybe Toshiba or HP
23:20<selcofos>ew
23:21<ZedNull>haha
23:21<selcofos>xd
23:21<selcofos>we dont have money here, so we use dell...
23:21<selcofos>90% are clones
23:21<ZedNull>well, dell makes a standard system.
23:21<selcofos>yup, like the Ford T
23:22<ZedNull>it's mediocrity can run anything
23:22<selcofos>thats a quiz
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23:22<selcofos>is software a path to somewhere_
23:22<ZedNull>? The Model T, the car you can get in any color as long as that color is black?
23:22<selcofos>or is it hardware_
23:22<selcofos>that car
23:23<ZedNull>the car is hardware, the road is software.
23:23<ZedNull>i've taken Dells on to most roads.
23:23<selcofos>like the T model from ford
23:23<selcofos>xd
23:24<ZedNull>yeah. I've taken a Dell and run... windows 98, XP, Linux Mint, Debian, Ubuntu, NetBSD...
23:24<ZedNull>booted from PXE to image a hard disk from Debian to winXP...
23:24<selcofos>no lepp_
23:25<selcofos>xd
23:26<selcofos>u know
23:26<selcofos>your nickname is sooooooo geek
23:26<ZedNull>Zed Null? essentially the last of nothing?
23:26<ZedNull>with british overtones?
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23:26<selcofos>jajaja
23:27<selcofos>i mean hahahah
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23:27<selcofos>mine is like a pon
23:27<selcofos>i cannot speel it right
23:27<selcofos>monty python perhaps? the parrot sketch?
23:28<ZedNull>it has ceased to be
23:28<selcofos>yup
23:28<selcofos>Notlob
23:28<selcofos>Bolton
23:28<ZedNull>it pines for the fjords
23:28<selcofos>a pon?
23:28<ZedNull>i'm not sure what you're going for...
23:29<selcofos>when cleese came into the petshop
23:29<selcofos>and ask for direction
23:29<ZedNull>although i'm rewatching the dead parrot sketch right now
23:29<selcofos>and they guy behind the bar .... nevermind
23:30<selcofos>damn
23:30<selcofos>i have no sound
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23:34<ZedNull>palindrome! i forgot about that part of the sketch
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23:42<ZedNull>ahoy chitchat
23:42<chitchat>Hi ZedNull
23:42<ZedNull>how's it going tonight (or today, depending on time zones)
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23:43<chitchat>ZedNull: Really cool! Work is quite fun at the moment
23:43<ZedNull>better than it being terrible, i must say. haha.
23:44<chitchat>I have a tech meeting in 15 mins that I'm looking forward to. All is good. How about you?
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23:44<ZedNull>i'm doing ok, on IRC in my usual channel in spite of the ISP where I am blocking my server
23:44<ZedNull>forwarding the connection with a custom script, haha
23:44<ZedNull>i've been through a good deal of tech meetings
23:45<chitchat>hehe, that's when you change ISPs
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23:45<ZedNull>yeah, i'm out of this apartment in... 3 days
23:45<chitchat>I take it you're in the US?
23:46<ZedNull>they didn't block my usual IRC until the last week or so, but I've had ways around it thanks to a computer at my parent's house, haha
23:46<ZedNull>yeah
23:46<ZedNull>right now, in spite of being at the blocked location, i'm forwarding just that IRC traffic through the other home computer.
23:46<chitchat>Actually, that's a sensitive point at the moment here in Australia. There is all sorts of talk about filtering the Internet
23:46<ZedNull>i've heard a lot about that
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23:47<ZedNull>i've been working on setting up a "one-shot proxy"
23:47<chitchat>The govt who proposed it is now hanging in the balance. There was an election last week and now a hung parliament (nobody won majority)
23:47<ZedNull>a web page where you say the site and port you want to get to, it tells you where to connect locally, and it forwards the rest for you.
23:47<chitchat>Yeah, but that requires the borrowing of bandwidth
23:48<chitchat>Would be great to do that on the scale of a whole country :-)
23:48<ZedNull>i don't mind for one-shot things though
23:48<ZedNull>i'm using my test script to get to my usual irc.
23:48<ZedNull>it's working fine, i just have to get it working on my openBSD server
23:48<ZedNull>the server is a bit more reliable than the SUSE laptop.
23:49<ZedNull>i may just switch over to debian, haha!
23:49<chitchat>Yeah, but soon you will have a different (hopefully more decent) ISP and it won't matter
23:49<ZedNull>yeah, in 3 days i'll be back to the connection i'm forwarding through now.
23:49<ZedNull>but i
23:50<ZedNull>i'll still work on the one-shot proxy idea
23:50<chitchat>Debian is really great. I moved from Fedora a little while ago and I'm very glad I did
23:50<ZedNull>if I want something rock-solid, i go for debian
23:50<chitchat>Yes, it will always come in useful
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23:50<ZedNull>i have had some security issues though... wunderbar emporium worked a bit longer than I would have liked
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23:53<chitchat>You'll sort em out
23:53<ZedNull>haha. I actually have a mini-honeypot on my openBSD server.
23:54<ZedNull>it sends me a text message when people log in as the stupid username:password account
23:54<ZedNull>drops them to a shell that claims most commands are "not found"
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23:54<ZedNull>then it text messages me with the commands they tried to use
23:55<ZedNull>back to the channel topic, it was originally build on a debian system
23:55<chitchat>Haha, cool
23:56<ZedNull>let me see if i still have the most recent hack attempt, haha
23:56<ZedNull>here it is.
23:56<ZedNull>"w; uptime; uname -a; id; uptime; ls; w; uname -a; uptime; help; ps x; w; uname -a"
23:57<engine64>hi all, how to convert an audio file with encoding of mu-law to u-law, isn't both the same? I'm confused. what's the difference?
23:57<ZedNull>is it necessary to convert them, engine64?
23:57<chitchat>enderst_: perhaps http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Μ-law_algorithm ?
23:58<ZedNull>yeah, i just came across that too
23:58<ZedNull>mu-law and u-law seem to be the same.
23:58<ZedNull>mu being the romanized version of thew letter µ
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