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#debian IRC Logs for 2010-08-23

---Logopened Mon Aug 23 00:00:43 2010
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00:26<whess>POOOOP
00:26<ZedNull>sheeeeit
00:26<ZedNull>/kick whess
00:26<whess>aw man
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00:26<ZedNull>haha as if I had ops here
00:27<whess>lol
00:27<ZedNull>so, what brings you to #debian tonight (or today, depending on your time zone)
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00:27<whess>im not quite sure
00:28<whess>this is the first time ive used irc
00:28<ZedNull>ok, i assume you're using Debian?
00:28<whess>jolicloud
00:29<ZedNull>ok, a new netbook?
00:29<whess>its about a year old now, and windows was starting to run slower, so I thought I would try something new
00:29<ZedNull>IRC can be a good way to find help for specific problems, as long as you find the right channel in which to ask for help
00:30<whess>Yeah
00:30<ZedNull>if you're looking for an OS for an aging computer , Linux is a good way to go.
00:30<ZedNull>i'm running a server on a computer from over 10 years ago on a *nix OS
00:31<ZedNull>it was a debian-base before, now it's BSD. For someone new to linux/unix, that just means it's not windows.
00:32<ZedNull>jolicloud seems to be similar to "wubi" for people to try a Linux OS alongside windows
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00:36<CarnivorousSheep>moo
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00:37<ZedNull>phew, at least it wasn't my leg.
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00:40<KukuNut>KukuNut: tree fell down on CarnivorousSheep
00:40*ZedNull pets CarnivorousSheep uncomfortably...
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01:39<engine64>ZedNull: My voip gateway requires u-law btw, when I run file file.au on both files, the difference is shown.
01:40<ZedNull>so, "diff file1 file2" says there is a difference?
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01:43<ZedNull>mu-law is u-law, in a different text formatting.
01:43<ZedNull>in u-law, the u stands for μ
01:43<ZedNull>μ is pronounced "mu"
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01:49<engine64>ZedNull: i don't know whats going on but when I run two different files of .au extensions. it shows with mu-law and other is u-law
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01:50<ZedNull>and renaming one as the other makes a difference?
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01:55<engine64>ZedNull: both has .au extensions
01:57<ZedNull>huh... dunno why.
01:57<engine64>alright thanks
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04:15<Archiater>Hello guys, could someone remind me how to repack initrd image? using find gzip and cpio %)
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04:17<lindi->Archiater: why do you want that?
04:17<locklace>Archiater: if you know how to use cpio you're done. man cpio
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04:18<Archiater>lindi-: repacking d-i initrd with new preseed file
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04:20<Archiater>locklace: well, the problem is:I don't >_> So it proubably will be faster to ask u guys, than reading full cpio man
04:20<locklace>wrong approach
04:21<locklace>the first step is to work out how to do something on your own using the available documentation and whatever resources you can find yourself
04:21<locklace>the step of last resort is to take up other peoples' time by asking on irc
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04:25<Archiater>locklace: actually no,i don't put tasto learn rn how is ramfs working, so i don't need full cpio knowladge only for single task, it'i irrational use of time resource
04:26<locklace>dude. reading the relevant parts of the cpio man page is a two-minute exercise
04:26<twb>Archiater: how do you think WE learned how to use cpio?
04:26<twb>"DON'T MAKE THAT FACE WHEN I TELL YOU TO READ THE FUCKING MANUAL! IT'S GOOD FOR YOU I SAY! READ THE FUCKING MANUAL! How do you think I found out how the machine works? DID I SIT AROUND ASKING SOMEBODY FOR A FEW MONTHS??" -- Beable van Polasm
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04:28<twb>Heh, turned up by the same fortune -m search: <a-s> in the *Group* buffer in gnus how can I add a new newsgroup? <ams> a-s: by reading the manual. <a-s> more quickly ? <twb> a-s: mash the keyboard until you luck out
04:29<Archiater>twb: ok, normally i will read manual, but when i need it done few days ago, i prefer to ask. And if someone ask me something, i'm answering, not quoting someone, or sending people to read man pages.
04:30<Archiater>twb: It's SUPPORT channel, you know
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04:34<Maulkin>Um...
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04:35<Maulkin>Archiater: it seems you need a higher level of support than this free service can offer. I'd suggest http://www.debian.org/consultants/ may be nearer for your needs
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04:40<Archiater>Oh cmon'. I just asked, can u guys be more fiendly? Few days ago I was sitting here helping other guy, not sending him to read man pageIgnoring fact that he didn't done that before asking =\
04:40<locklace>!u
04:40<dpkg>Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201
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04:41<Archiater>Forget it, if it's so damn hard for you. I'll go ask some other place
04:41<twb>Remember when you paid for line time by the character?
04:41<twb>Success!
04:42<twb>#debian remains optimized for the clueful
04:43<jm_>heh
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04:44<AndyJ>Has anyone had any success connecting a Samsung GTI9000 via USB cable?
04:44<AndyJ>I've checked that the phone USB setting is set to "mass storage"
04:45<AndyJ>My system can see the phone (internal and external SD cards) but I cannot mount the drives...
04:46<AndyJ>The error message is: Unable to mount media - There is probably no media in the drive...
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04:55<dondelelcaro>AndyJ: what does dmesg say about the device?
04:55<AndyJ>looking
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04:56<AndyJ>Looking at "messages" in the System Log Viewer, I can see: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 9
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04:58<AndyJ>I'm looking at dmesg now, and see many message, (no errors) showing that the phone has been detected etc.
04:58<AndyJ>The last four lines are:
04:58<dondelelcaro>AndyJ: and you should see what devices it has detected, etc
04:59<AndyJ>[sdg] attached SCSI removable disk
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04:59<AndyJ>Attachedscsi generic sg7 type 0
04:59<AndyJ>[sdh] attaches SCSI removable disk
04:59<AndyJ>Attached scsi generic sg8 type 0
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05:23<sivang>hi all
05:23<sivang>has anybody had any successful experience setting up rsyslog RELP with TLS encryption?
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05:28<locklace>!anyone
05:28<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
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05:32<sivang>I am trying to use rsyslog RELP's protocl to achieve maximum reliablity and no msg loss, with TLS encryption to no avail.
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05:33<sivang>It seems to me that rsyslog does not support RELP and TLS the same time, so I either want to approve this or to get some help to set it up with them both operational.
05:33<sivang>thanks locklace :)
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05:34<sivang>and I am trying to use this for msg forwarding to logging server
05:34<sivang>FWIW
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05:39<locklace>sivang: according to http://www.rsyslog.com/doc/rsyslog_tls.html "The RELP transport can currently not be protected by TLS."
05:43<jww>!bnx2
05:43<dpkg>[bnx2] The driver for Broadcom NetXtreme II 1Gb (BCM5706/5708/5709/5716) NIC chipsets. Firmware from userspace is required since linux-2.6 2.6.24-7; ask me about <non-free sources> and install the firmware-bnx2 package to provide. If required, ask me about <installer firmware> to provide bnx2 firmware files for device use at Debian installation time. See also <bcm5716>, <bnx2x>.
05:44<locklace>!tell jww about selftell
05:44<jww>damn dpkg, you're often a good help :)
05:45<jww>after some stupid upgrade, on of our server's nic stopped working. I think it's because the firmware is missing for the BMC5708 .
05:46<jww>shouldn't that firmware have been installed by the upgrade ?
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05:47<jww>oh maybe it's because it's non free.
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06:53<sivang>locklace: thanks, I missed that part. I wonder what version this applies to.
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06:55<locklace>sivang: well, it was written back in 2008 so it's pretty old; on the other hand i couldn't find anything more recent suggesting that support was added. probably best to check with the mailing-list/author about the road map
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08:22<babagau>anyone knows how to add a number in multiple cells in gnumeric?
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08:25<jpinx-eeepc>babagau: add it to one cell and drag it to all
08:26<babagau>no, the cells have already values, I want to do +2 to all
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08:27<nonnoNanni>Hello.I've just installed debian on my old pentium III with "desktop=lxde" option in debian installer...It's all done but the characters/fonts are very small in gdm and in menu options.How can i chage this?
08:27<jpinx-eeepc>babagau: nfc ;)
08:27<babagau>what's nfc?
08:28<jpinx-eeepc>no fsckng clue :)
08:28<babagau>ah ok! heh
08:28<jpinx-eeepc>babagau: I use spreadsheets infrequently
08:29<babagau>thanks anyway, me too, it's been years!
08:29<jm_>nonnoNanni: check what your DPI is set to
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08:29<jpinx-eeepc>babagau: check some tutorials online - even for other spreadsheets, they tend to be similar
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08:30<nonnoNanni>ok how can find this info on DPI ? there is a shell command?
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08:31<babagau>I know, I just didn't fiind anything similar got upset
08:31<babagau>what is english word for mathematical operation? what is an addition?
08:32<babagau>operation? numerical what?
08:32<Torsten_W>nonnoNanni, xdpyinfo | grep -i reso
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08:32<jpinx-eeepc>babagau: addition is probaly what you're googling for
08:32<cahoot>xdpyinfo|grep dot
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08:33<babagau>addition subtracktion multiply are all called operations right? or better formulas?
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08:34<jpinx-eeepc>babagau: http://projects.gnome.org/gnumeric/doc/gnumeric.shtml
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08:35<babagau>i got there before, will try find again
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08:37<nonnoNanni>command not found O_o there is a guide for this?
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08:44<nonnoNanni>oh...i think i have not gnome...xpdyinfo is for gnome?
08:44<jm_>no, it's generic
08:44<cahoot>nonnoNanni: spellingerror? xdpyinfo
08:45<MrFrood>nonnoNanni: Somewhere in the menu system you should find lxappearance, you can use it to change the font sizes
08:45<nonnoNanni>ops... :D
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08:51<nonnoNanni>ok thanks i find it! But in terminal the fonts are still very small....only in terminal.. :\
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08:59<MrFrood>I dont know what th default terminal is for LXDE but the terminal font cant normally be set using a Xdefaults/Xresoures file - I suggest you check the man page for your terminal.
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08:59<MrFrood>cant normally = can normally
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09:00<nonnoNanni>no ok...solved...i change the font in terminal.."profile"...i hope this settings are saved for the next session :D
09:00<nonnoNanni>thanks
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09:03<kaur>Hi! I installed debian lenny and everything more or less works except for networking. eth0 comes up nicely after booting but it does not when the lan cable is connected later. sudo ifup eth0 fixes the issue. How can I make this automatic so that I do not have to execute the command manually after the cable has been connected?
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09:05<jm_>kaur: try packages that can be used to change network config based on your location (laptop-net, switchconf, whereami ...)
09:06<kaur>jm_: thanks. I'd like to keep things as simple as possible as this is a really old laptop and hence the less packages the better:) I suspect I just need about one line in a script... The question is which line and where:D
09:06<jm_>kaur: naah it doesn't work that way
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09:08<kaur>jm_: I believe it does. It's linux... All I need is a script that would execute ifup eth0 after the link becomes ready. It does as I can see using dmesg
09:08<jm_>kaur: I can only smile :)
09:08<jm_>but need to run now
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09:09<Gathond>kaur: try adding "allow-hotplug eth1" to the interfaces file
09:09<kaur>Gathond: I believe it's already there but let me check...
09:10<kaur>Gathond: and you mean eth0 right?
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09:12<kaur>Gathond: allow-hotplug eth0 is there..
09:13<Gathond>kaur: I mean whatever interface name applies yes
09:13<kaur>Gathond: k, then it's already there.
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09:24<kaur>Gathond: any ideas?
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09:27<kaur>Gathond: ah... I believe i solved it:)
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09:27<twb>What's all this noise from acpid at boot time? http://paste.debian.net/85154/
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09:31<jww>I'm in a uncomfortable situation.after some server's motherboard died, it has been replaced by another one( from dell :^ ) now the server doesn't have any network card working.The guy I got on phone is not very technical, and they dropped the box of the mobo.lspci is not installed on the computer. and opening the case/looking at mobo didn't helped. can somebody tell me how I can find which network card is in that server please ?
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09:32<twb>jww: fix /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules
09:32<twb>jww: if your new NIC is detected, it's probably just being assigned eth1 in case the old eth0 comes back
09:32<jww>the nic is not detected.
09:33<twb>Hum.
09:33<jww>at least it's what's the guy tell me on phone.
09:33<twb>Oh, so it's not actually in front of you
09:33<jww>I think I'd need to know what nic is it, so I can load the proper module.
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09:33<timmy80>Hi, hoping someone can help me.. Im having a network issue which seems to be specific to Debian. Im trying to be able to move an IP between 2 Debian machines for failover. This works fine if I use Centos (which I dont want to use) but when I use Debian it doesnt transfer to the 2nd machine for like hours
09:33<jww>twb: infortunatly not, it's 700km far away.
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09:34<twb>jww: the only solution I know is to find a live CD or something that *does* have lspci
09:34<jww>:\
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09:35<twb>Unless you were weird enough to install something like lshw, but not lspci
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09:36<timmy80>I dont mind waiting, but anyone think they will be able to try to help with my issue? Thanks
09:36<twb>In any case, if the NIC wasn't auto-detected you're probably shit outta luck, since a working Debian system will load any drivers it has for any hardware it recognizes
09:36<twb>timmy80: sounds to me like a DNS issue more than an OS issue
09:36<jww>twb: sound like I'm out of luck.
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09:36<twb>jww: yup
09:37<jww>before there where /proc/pci, it was not too readable, but I could ask someone on phone to read it.
09:37<jww>but now there is only like /sys/bus/pci/hell .
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09:38<timmy80>twb: in what way? I cant ping the IP. If I use Centos machines it works fine.. its just when I use Debian the machine doesnt accept the IP for hours. I also tried on Ubuntu (being similar) and it says:
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09:38<timmy80>SIOCSIFFLAGS: Cannot assign requested address
09:38<timmy80>.. but eventually also works
09:39<twb>timmy80: OK, then what the fuck do you mean by "move an IP between two Debian machines"?
09:39<timmy80>ifdown on one machine... ifup on another machine
09:39<twb>What, manually?
09:39<timmy80>yeh...
09:40<timmy80>ideally not manually! but for testing/debuging yes
09:40<twb>Pastebin the contents of /etc/network/interfaces on each
09:40<twb>And the command you're running and its output
09:41<timmy80>on the 2 machines have a 2nd interface as such..
09:41<timmy80>iface eth0:1 inet static
09:41<timmy80> address 109.123.93.207
09:41<timmy80> netmask 255.255.255.128
09:41<timmy80> broadcast 109.123.93.255
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09:41<twb>Kids these days...
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09:41<timmy80>ops kicked for flood.. did u get that ?
09:41<timmy80>iface eth0:1 inet static
09:41<twb>!tell timmy80 -about pastebin
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09:42<timmy80>address 109.123.93.207
09:42<timmy80>netmask 255.255.255.128
09:42<timmy80>broadcast 109.123.93.255
09:42<timmy80>thats it
09:42<timmy80>other than the respective eth0 entries
09:43<timmy80>doesnt seem like a hardware issue as like I said when installing Centos on the 2 machines as a test im able to move the ip between the machines without issue - instantly up and pingable
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09:44<twb>Are you just trying to assign an additional IP?
09:44<timmy80>yes
09:45<timmy80>as a floating ip as such.. that ill move between the two machines
09:45<twb>Why not just us "ip address add" ?
09:45<twb>*use
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09:46<timmy80>i havent done that way before... and im using software to automate moving the ip which also isnt working. I just did a test that way but i can try using ip address add
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09:49<timmy80>same result im afraid
09:51<twb>23:40 <twb> Pastebin the contents of /etc/network/interfaces on each. And the command you're running and its output.
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09:56<timmy80>twb: http://paste.debian.net/85159/
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09:57<timmy80>thats the /etc/network/interfaces on 1st
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09:57<timmy80>http://paste.debian.net/85160/ (2nd)
09:58<timmy80>using "ifdown eth0:1" and "ifup eth0:1"
09:58<timmy80>no output
09:59<timmy80>if I do the same on ubuntu I get this output "SIOCSIFFLAGS: Cannot assign requested address
09:59<timmy80>" on ifup
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09:59<timmy80>if I do the same on ubuntu I get this output
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10:00<timmy80>any ideaas?
10:01<twb>Not sure
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10:01<twb>I suspect that "ip addr add" is the Right Thing, and the whole old-school :1 business should be avoided.
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10:03<twb>e.g. sudo ip addr add dev eth0 203.7.155.193/28 brd 203.7.155.207 scope global
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10:03<timmy80>i tried that and it has the same result
10:04<twb>Is eth0 up while you're trying this?
10:04<timmy80>yes
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10:04<twb>OK, then I give up
10:04<timmy80>im connecting on eth0 fine
10:04<timmy80>k np thanks anyway
10:04<twb>Unless maybe it's pissed because "ip neighbours" still contains the other host
10:04<timmy80>its a bizzar one
10:04<twb>"ip neighbour", I mean
10:05<timmy80>ok what do i do to check that
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10:05<twb>Now I think about it, I actually did it the "ip addr add" way on a Hardy host last week, and it Just Worked
10:06<jww>twb: funny time. it appears that the motherboard is defective ( ?? ), they gonna change it.
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10:06<jww>twb: thanks for your help still.
10:06<gmarselis>can i get a reviewer for this, please: http://wiki.debian.org/StartaBeowulf . specifically can you please tell me if i am missing any component that might characterize a linux beowulf cluster: specifically, anything other than openmpi/lamboot, kerriighed and a batch queing system?
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10:11<babagau>anyone knows how to do a specific operation on multiple in gnumeric?
10:13<babagau>anyone knows how to do a specific operation on multiple cells in gnumeric?
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10:15<twb>babagau: a better question might be "does anyone use gnumeric?"
10:16<jpinx-eeepc>babagau: did you ask in #gnome ?
10:16<twb>I think gnome has their own irc server
10:17<babagau>isn't it good to be specific from beginning?
10:17<Dial-Up>on my old p2 with 128 mb de ram
10:17<babagau>i'll check there too, thanks
10:17<twb>babagau: yes; what I meant was "I doubt many people here even use it"
10:18<babagau>indeed, but I don't know about chatting here, which servers are better for gnumeric?
10:18<twb>servers?
10:19<babagau>er... networks
10:19<twb>NFI
10:19<twb>I don't do GUIs
10:20<eliad>babagau: what kind of operation?
10:20<babagau>er,,, channel, yes
10:20<babagau>sorry guys 2nd time chatting I don't have a clue
10:21<eliad>babagau: and why don't you use OO.org Calc?
10:21<jpinx-eeepc>babagau: /server irc.oftc.net /join #gnome
10:21<babagau>do I have to disconnect from here?
10:21<cahoot><eliad> so how would he do what he wants on oocalc?
10:22<babagau>these programms are similar, same thing can happen to both
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10:23<eliad>babagau:what is it that you want to do?
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10:23<babagau>there are many cells where I want to add the value 2, really many to be done manually
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10:24<babagau>existing value eg 56475.43+2
10:24<eliad>are they in a culomn or a row?
10:24<babagau>multiple rows
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10:25<twb>I would do it by typing = <left> + 2 RET into a cell to the right of the data cell
10:25<eliad>in one new cell write " =2+A1"
10:25<twb>Then dragging the box in the corner of that cell downwards, to populate cells below it with equivalent derived data for their leftward cell
10:26<twb>At least, that's what Excel did back in 1998
10:26<johfel>babagau: you can copy then then only the value (not the formular) back into the origin cells.
10:26<eliad>A1 being the first cell with the number
10:26<twb>Nowadays I'd be more like (print (map (\ +2) xs))
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10:28<babagau>ok, wait
10:28<eliad>then just then just drag the lower-right corner of the cell and expand it to how many cells you want. it will automatically change the function
10:29<babagau>eliad, that was it
10:30<babagau>it's still the same, thanks a lot man, you saved me from a long chore!
10:30<eliad>:)
10:31<twb>You know, there's probably a manual with gnumeric that covers such things
10:31<babagau>thank you people, irrelevant channel but still done! I checked the manual but found nothing
10:32<babagau>I didn't know keywords, what I wanted is not a function, neither formula
10:34<twb>babagau: saying "I checked the manual" first up will win you points, because it shows you're trying to help yourself
10:35<babagau>ah I guess so indeed
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10:41<johnfg>hi guys
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10:42<johnfg>I've got a problem running the latest debian, all updates.
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10:42<johnfg>When our Sony digital camera is plugged into a USB port, it freezes the system.
10:43<johnfg>Can't even do a ctl-alt-del, but have to power the system off before it will start back up.
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10:46<cthuluh>johnfg: there's an emergency way to stop your system more cleanly than with a hard reboot : Alt + Print + s, Alt + Print + u, Alt + Print + b. see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_SysRq_key
10:46<cthuluh>of course this does not solve your problem
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10:47<johnfg>cthuluh, Right, but that's good to know. I've never used that.
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10:47<cthuluh>dpkg knows it under the "sysrq" factoid
10:47<dpkg>cthuluh: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
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10:48<cthuluh>dpkg: don't worry
10:48<dpkg>cthuluh: I don't know, could you explain it?
10:48<astae>hi all
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11:24<troulouliou>hi , i have an express card pcmcia lacia with 2 usb 3.0 port , is it possible to use it in Debian on a laptop ?
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11:41<bgat>anyone here running Debian on one of the Mac Mini's? If so, then how would you describe the performance?
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11:42<babilen> bgat: intel or ppc based? if the latter #debianppc on freenode might be a better channel.
11:43<reypapa>csa
11:43<babilen>bgat: We have a couple of iMac G5 @university and the performance is quite good
11:43<babilen>fwiw
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11:46<bgat>babilen: dunno, I'm traveling lately with a 1U server and trying to find something a tad smaller to replace it. :)
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11:47<bgat>babilen: is a G5 mini capable of compiling a Linux kernel in a reasonable time?
11:47<babilen>bgat: hehe - what about a decent laptop?
11:47<babilen>bgat: I never worked with a Mac mini
11:47<kop>bgat: I suppose a net connection is out of the question?
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11:47<bgat>babilen: yea, a laptop is another option :)
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11:48<bgat>kop: actually, the proposed machine will be installed in a classroom setting where 5-20 people will be using it to build kernels, kernel modules, and small applications; so a net connection is a must
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11:49<kop>bgat: I was thinking that you'd use the net connection to something beefy somewhere else.
11:49<babilen>bgat: And you travel from class to class?
11:49<bgat>kop: oh. yea, that's probably not an option; some of the sites I teach at have really poor uplinks
11:49<bgat>babilen: yes
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11:50<babilen>bgat: I see -- I would leave the server somewhere and let them log in remotely -- an atom based "server" might also be a good idea if you want something to carry around. I would personally recommend a thinkpad though
11:51<bgat>babilen: ever tried to build a kernel on an atom-based machine? :)
11:51<babilen>yeah, wasn't that painful
11:51<bgat>babilen: you must have had a better machine than mine. :)
11:52<bgat>babilen: I also wonder how well an Atom would do with more than one kernel build going at a time
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11:52<babilen>but i used gentoo quite some time ago and can handle some pain ;)
11:52<babilen>not that great i suppose
11:52<bgat>babilen: yea, you probably don't even recognize pain anymore :)
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11:53<kop>bgat: Poor uplinks don't mean much if you're only doing ssh, unless latency is really bad. If all the work is on the server, it's all already on the other side of the uplink. (Not to tell you what your situation is, you know more than me.)
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11:53<bgat>all the laptops I have tinkered with can have really decent graphic performance, but fall over pretty quickly as soon as you start hitting the disk :(
11:53<babilen>just leave your server somewhere with a good uplink and let them work remotely if you need the performance
11:54<kop>bgat: Hell, ssh works fine over a modem.
11:54<babilen>or get a dedicated one with a good hoster ...
11:54<bgat>kop: several students trying to do vi over ssh to a server a few timezones away gets pretty annoying. also, the build products get downloaded to the target hardware over TFTP, which opens up a whole 'nuther pile of IT config issues
11:54<johnfg>cthuluh, I assume that the prt key is the same as my Prt Sc key?
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11:55<kop>bgat: Ah. Downloads etc are an issue. openvpn solves a lot of problems vis tftp and the networking, but if you need bandwidth... (ugh vi)
11:55<johnfg>If not, what is the prt key?
11:56<babilen>kop: right, who uses vi when vim is installed?
11:56<bgat>kop: in general, however, I love the suggestion; I just haven't been able to get it to work very well in practice :(
11:56<kop>babilen: )
11:56<bgat>babilen: :)
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11:56<bgat>the #debianppc channel is pretty quiet right now.
11:57<bgat>maybe they are all still uploading my question through their G4 minis? :)
11:57<kop>bgat: You start getting issues with acks and ssh when the uplink is poor and there's downloading going on. Latency suffers.
11:58<bgat>kop: yep
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11:58<nano>hola
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11:59<kop>bgat: I've had good luck with eracks.com. (who I'm not affiliated with) You might check with them vis hardware.
11:59<bgat>I have a hard enough time getting noob students to tolerate vim/emacs/CLI in general. getting them to handle that plus a laggy remote link is a path that leads directly to instrucor discomfort
11:59<bgat>kop: ok
11:59<cthuluh>johnfg: yes, it's the PrintScreen key
12:00<nano>alguien en español
12:00<nano>?
12:00<moldovean>!es-social , nano
12:00<dpkg>, nano: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador por favor ingresa al canal social de #debian-es con /join #debian-es-cachondeo. Tus amigos probablemente ya esten ahi.
12:00<bgat>i used to have my own colo hardware, just an ordinary Xeon machine at an ISP that could sustain 100MB throughput. the facility was near Chicago. then I went to teach in India... ouch.
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12:01<bgat>I mean, I could use it fine; the students with less Linux/CLI experience really struggled
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12:01<kop>bgat: What if you mounted the disk over the net on your "laptop" and then had the students ssh to your box. The disk would be slow, but interaction would not. (But they'd have to have a separate session for the compile commands that connected directly with the remote box.) Anyway it's a possible kludge. I can't think how to make the whole thing "transparent" and run within a single user session.
12:01<tim>Grr installed a package with a specific release from Debian pool, not aptitude and apt-get want to remove it or upgrade it. How to tell them I want the currently installed version, don't mess with it.
12:01<bgat>on top of that, some of the sites I teach at allow only HTTP through their firewalls. I know that openvpn et.al can be made to deal with that, but it's definitely one more headache.
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12:02<tim>Oops s/not/now"
12:02<kop>tim: aptitude hold foo
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12:02<kop>bgat: Openvpn does not work great with tcp.
12:02<bgat>kop: yea, but it hides that pretty well from me :)
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12:03<babilen>bgat: Well, either get a beefy laptop or keep on carrying your 1HE server around. I don't see another way if remote access is not an option and you need performance for 30+ concurrent kernel compiles
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12:04<kop>bgat: Beefy laptop + firewire hd? I don't know how well firewire does.
12:04<bgat>babilen: the 30+ concurrent case doesn't happen very often
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12:05<bgat>babilen: i have one of the original MacBook intel laptops here with 4GB RAM, I guess I should put Debian on it and see how well it does, eh? d'oh!
12:05<tim>kop: the package is also "BROKEN" - at least aptitude things so. So it won't let me place it on hold AFAICT.
12:05<babilen>!tell tim -about bat
12:06<babilen>tim: please provide the information mentioned by dpkg so we can help you
12:06<bgat>hmmm.... will Linux build under OS X? I haven't tried lately, but IIRC it complains if your filesystem isn't case-sensitive
12:06<babilen>bgat: That sounds like an option -- you might want to try a local installation in parallels first though
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12:07<bgat>babilen: heh, said laptop already has VMWare Fusion installed. I'm such an idiot for not asking you to help me think of this idea sooner! :)
12:08<babilen>haha
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12:10<kop>bgat: Raid1 a bunch of firewire ssds into your laptop. That should get you performance. :)
12:11<babilen>bgat: That way you can even start with a pristine VM every time you give another course
12:11<bgat>kop: high performance hardware, but it turns my checkbook into a dog! :)
12:11<bgat>babilen: yep, and IIRC the performance of VMWare Fusion isn't too shabby
12:12<babilen>bgat: Try it, if it does not work out you can always install Debian and dual-boot
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12:13<bgat>babilen: I think I'll give that idea a go later today!
12:13<babilen>have fun :)
12:14<tim>babilen: Details here - http://paste.debian.net/85191/ - try to install sysklogd but it wants to fiddle with squid.
12:15<babilen>,versions squid
12:15<judd>squid -- etch: 2.6.5-6etch5; etch-security: 2.6.5-6etch5; etch-backports: 2.7.STABLE3-4.1~bpo40+1; lenny: 2.7.STABLE3-4.1; lenny-security: 2.7.STABLE3-4.1lenny1; lenny-backports: 2.7.STABLE7-1~bpo50+1; sid: 2.7.STABLE9-2; squeeze: 2.7.STABLE9-2
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12:16<babilen>tim: How did you install squid? I would accept the solution offered by aptitude or install a newer squid version from backports if you want to keep it.
12:16<babilen>or just remove squid and install the version for lenny
12:16<tim>babilen: I want to keep the installed squid - long story - this version is tested and does what we want, the version is Lenny doesn't.
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12:17<babilen>tim: Then don't install that version from a Debian package, but from the upstream package. A setup with that version is absolutely not supported and the reason for your problems. You can install a newer version from lenny-backports
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12:18<babilen>tim: Have you filed bugs against the lenny version?
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12:20<tim>babilen: The main problems with Lenny version are fixed in later versions, mostly related to issues with logging and log formats. I just don't want to test later versions at this point we are duplicating a config that we've had live for a long time on i386 on x86-64
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12:21<babilen>tim: bbl, good luck
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12:24<utku>I'm trying to install debian testing but it gives me this error: "Configuring pksel failed with error code 255"
12:27<jordanm>utku: installing from what? where do you get that error?
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12:27<jordanm>,versions pksel --release squeeze
12:27<judd>Sorry, no package named 'pksel' was found.
12:27<cahoot>utku: no working netconnection atm?
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12:30<utku>jordanm: I'm installing from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/iso-cd/debian-testing-i386-kde-CD-1.iso
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12:31<jordanm>utku: you see that error where?
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12:31<jordanm>is it fatal?
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12:33<utku>jordanm: I'm installing it from text-based installer and it says "Installation step failed".
12:33<utku>So I press ALT + F3 to see is there any output.
12:33<utku>sorry F4
12:33<cahoot>utku: not using wireless?
12:33<utku>cahoot: no, it is wired
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12:34<jordanm>oh, pkgsel
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12:34<jordanm>,info pkgsel --release squeeze
12:34<judd>No record of package 'pkgsel' in squeeze/i386.
12:34<utku>jordanm: oh, sorry, typo
12:34<utku>yes it is pkgsel
12:35<jordanm>utku: any more information? what came before the error would be helpful
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12:36<jordanm>,versions pkgsel
12:36<judd>Sorry, no package named 'pkgsel' was found.
12:37<utku>jordanm: ah, I found it I think. I'm installing it on a virtual machine and my hard-disk is dynamically expanding.
12:37<utku>There is a error about no disk space left
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12:38<gsimmons>jordanm: Try src:pkgsel, judd doesn't (appear to) know about udebs.
12:38<jordanm>gsimmons: thanks
12:39<utku>I'll try again with a fixed size hard disk now. Thanks for your help.
12:40<utku>sorry for disturbance
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12:45<dakota>Hello?
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12:45<sney>hi
12:45<P3t3r>hi
12:46<dakota>I have a problem booting..
12:46<jordanm>!tell dakota about ask
12:46<dakota>GDM does not start when i boot and I only get a console.
12:46<jordanm>dakota: pastebin /var/log/Xorg.0.log
12:47<dakota>and when I get to the console I can start it manually.
12:48<dakota>ok, o y'all want that log then?
12:48<jordanm>dakota: yes\
12:49<dakota>ok, just a second...
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12:49<dakota>I do see a current and a ".old" version in this directory.
12:50<jordanm>dakota: /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old?
12:50<dakota>yes.
12:50<dakota>thats it.
12:50<jordanm>dakota: that is the only xorg log?
12:51<dakota>no there is a current one too.
12:52<jordanm>dakota: just pastebin the current
12:53<Vyrus>anybody else know why the current version of iceweasel on squeeze freeses on any youtube video?
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12:54<dakota>X.Org X Server 1.7.6
12:54<dakota>Release Date: 2010-03-17
12:54<dakota>X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0
12:54<dakota>Build Operating System: Linux 2.6.24-27-server x86_64 Ubuntu
12:54<dakota>Current Operating System: Linux dakota-desktop 2.6.32-22-generic #36-Ubuntu SMP Thu Jun 3 19:31:57 UTC 2010 x86_64
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12:55<dakota>#flood X.Org X Server 1.7.6
12:55<dakota>Release Date: 2010-03-17
12:55<dakota>X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0
12:55<dakota>Build Operating System: Linux 2.6.24-27-server x86_64 Ubuntu
12:55<dakota>Current Operating System: Linux dakota-desktop 2.6.32-22-generic #36-Ubuntu SMP Thu Jun 3 19:31:57 UTC 2010 x86_64
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12:56<P3t3r>he is too stupid
12:56<jordanm>dakota: a) you need to use a pastebin service such as paste.debian.net b) we don't support ubuntu
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12:56<dakota>How exactly?
12:57<vapaa>;)
12:57<P3t3r>ask in #ubuntu
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12:58<dakota>I have tried the Ubuntu server they are of no help.
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12:58<P3t3r>#ubuntu on freenode?
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12:58<dakota>and ubuntu is debian based
12:59<P3t3r>but very different to debian
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13:00<@Ganneff>!ubuntu
13:00<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
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13:22<sweet55>hiii
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13:25<eliad>!tiger
13:25<dpkg>TIGER is a set of bourne shell scripts, C programs and data files which are used to perform a security audit of UNIX systems. See also <chkrootkit>, <rkhunter>.
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13:26<eliad>!chkrootkit
13:26<dpkg>chrootkit is a security scanner, used to determine if the local system is infected with a <rootkit>. To exclude reporting known false positives (http://www.chkrootkit.org/faq/#8), use the -e option. http://www.chkrootkit.org/ See also <system compromise recovery>. See also <rkhunter>, <tiger>.
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13:29<eliad>!rkhunter
13:29<dpkg>[rkhunter] Rootkit Hunter a Unix-based tool that scans for rootkits, backdoors and local exploits. It does this by comparing MD5 hash of important files with known good ones in online database, searching for default directories (of rootkits), wrong permissions, hidden files, suspicious strings in kernel modules, and special tests for Linux and FreeBSD. See also <chkrootkit>, <tiger>.
13:30<jordanm>!tell eliad about msg the bot
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13:35<eliad>!tell eliad about tiger
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13:40<blarson>!tell elidad about selftell
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13:41<eliad>thank you guys. won't happen again.
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13:46<dpkg><pickcoder> good grief.. why is it so tough to get usb cam working <abrotman> no one wants to see you
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14:03<old>Hello. I need to scp files between two computers through crossed ethernet cable. How to make them see each other?
14:04<sney>make a network. give both interfaces ip addresses in the same subnet.
14:05<sney>like 192.168.2.1 and 192.168.2.2 or something. with the netmask 255.255.255.0
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14:07<old>sney: Already tried to do that, but cannot even ping: "host unreachable".
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14:08<sney>old, you might need to do something with route. I don't remember the exact syntax. but basically tell it "just go to eth1 for this subnet"
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14:08<zalaka>old: what adress and network mask does ifconfig give you?
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14:09<sney>'man route' is pretty helpful
14:09<petemc>you dont need a route when using crossover cable
14:09<old>zalaka: 192.168.10.10 (and .9), mask 255.255.255.0
14:09<zalaka>old: you can also do "route add default gw the-other-computer-ip" and i think all your request will go to the other computer
14:09<zalaka>old: what does route say?
14:10<petemc>old: check dmesg to see if the link is up
14:10<reynolds>anyone use a macbook with virtual box?
14:10<petemc>yes
14:11<reynolds>any wireless card problems/
14:11<petemc>thats off topic for here, but no
14:11<reynolds>Sorry, heading somewhere else.
14:12<old>zalaka: route says: 192.168.10.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth0
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14:12<petemc>old: you dont need to do any routing to do what you want to do
14:13<zalaka>old: the route is bad. the fast way is to throw the interface down on the two (ifconfig eth0 down), the pull them up and configure your ip-s
14:14<zalaka>petemc: no, there's no reason to do it normally, but his route is not good
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14:14<old>petemc: Do you think it may be a broken cable? I have "link is not ready" in dmesg.
14:14<zalaka>ouh, then it's the interface or the cable
14:14<petemc>old: perhaps the cards dont support crossover
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14:15<zalaka>old: you can install ethtool to do diagnostics
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14:16<old>petemc: May they be to new? I know for sure one of them does support crossover, and the other is newer, but never tested for crossover support.
14:17<petemc>sounds like they both would, check the cable
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14:18<old>petemc: It was working some time ago. I cannot check it – I don't know how to.
14:18<zalaka>old: and if you don't have much time, do it through a switch, router or ipforwarding
14:18*blarson never heard of a card that wouldn't work crossover. Some newer cards will auto-crossover if needed.
14:18<zalaka>old: you need a ethernet cable tester
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14:21<old>zalaka: Well I don't have one. All I have is a router, one non-crossed cable and one crossed, which is apparently dead.
14:21<petemc>blarson: i meant crossover without using a crossover cable
14:22<petemc>old: if the cards are new just use the non crossover cable
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14:22<old>petemc: I'll try. I'll buy a new cable anyway.
14:23<petemc>ive never tried to use a crossover cable on cards that support auto x over
14:23<old>petemc: sney: zalaka: Thank you for help.
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14:28<lindi->hmm, any idea how to rotate an ogg theora video in debian? For example http://ftp.acc.umu.se/pub/debian-meetings/2009/debconf9/low/1050_Lightning_talk_Redirecting_require.ogv -- ffmpeg has -vfilters but they don't seem to work (reported bug #594108)
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14:30<lindi->and the following segfaults: mencoder 1050_Lightning_talk_Redirecting_require.ogv -oac lavc -lavcopts acodec=libvorbis -ovc lavc -lavcopts vcodec=libtheora:vbitrate=300 -vf scale=480:640,rotate=1,format=fmt=yv12 -srate 44100 -of lavf -lavfopts format=ogg -o fr_bbb.ogg
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14:31<old>It worked with non-crossed cable. Thank you again. :-D
14:31<zalaka>old: ;)
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14:33<zalaka>lindi: I've no idea if it fails both in ffmpeg and mencoder, but if it happens only with ogg can you (after reporting the bug to mencoder XD) try t with an other codecs?
14:33<lindi->almost everything I find with google suggests me to install non-debian software
14:33<lindi->zalaka: well I really need ogg theora here :/
14:33<zalaka>lindi: I don't think that any other software could do it with ogg theora if ffmpeg and mencoder couldn't
14:34<lindi->zalaka: can you try the commands I pasted with the linked video and get the same results as I Do?
14:34<petemc>lindi-: any time ive went to do anything with ffmpeg ive found its been necessary to build ffmpeg from source
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14:34<zalaka>lindi: yes, but wait, I must have an ogg theora XD
14:34<lindi->petemc: non-debian stuff?
14:34<lindi->petemc: I'm specifically asking for the DFSG-free solution here
14:35<petemc>right
14:35<lindi->zalaka: that's why I linked to an ogg theora example file, please use that
14:35<petemc>dont do what i did then, as i did it to use a pile of non free stuff
14:35<zalaka>ah, oks jj
14:35<lindi->petemc: no thanks :)
14:36<zalaka>lindi: by the way, i'm a pythonist i hate perl XD
14:37<lindi->zalaka: hmm, where did I use perl? ;)
14:37<lindi->ah, in the video
14:37<zalaka>lindi: yes :)
14:37<lindi->sorry about that, it was just one of the shortest example videos
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14:40<zalaka>lindi: by the way, it says me "Cannot find codec 'libtheora' in libavcodec...", do you know the dependency i need?
14:40<lindi->zalaka: with ffmpeg?
14:40<zalaka>lindi: no, mencoder
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14:40<lindi->zalaka: which version are you using?
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14:43<zalaka>lindi: libavcodec52 4:0.5.2-1 at debian squeeze
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14:45<zalaka>lindi: by the way, you can try it with less parameters (no resize, no rate modification, etc)
14:45<lindi->zalaka: libavcodec52 4:0.5.2-2 in debian unstable here
14:46<lindi->mencoder 1050_Lightning_talk_Redirecting_require.ogv -oac lavc -lavcopts acodec=libvorbis -ovc lavc -lavcopts vcodec=libtheora:vbitrate=300 -srate 44100 -of lavf -lavfopts format=ogg -o fr_bbb.ogg
14:46<lindi->reported this as a bug
14:46<lindi->crashes
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14:46<zalaka>lindi: i've installed libtheora0 and libtheora-bin but there's no way
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14:48<lindi->zalaka: no way?
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14:48<zalaka>trying...
14:49<zalaka>lindi: no way, sorry
14:49<lindi->squeeze does not support rotating video? :/
14:50<zalaka>lindi: yes, it does (in the man) but libavcodec doesn't find libtheora
14:50<zalaka>Cannot find codec 'libtheora' in libavcodec...
14:50<zalaka>Couldn't open video filter 'lavc'.
14:50<zalaka>Failed to open the encoder.
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15:51<hadi>ایرانی کسی هست؟
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15:52<bremner>!ar
15:52<dpkg>hmm... ar is argon or a program to create, modify, and extract from archives (man ar), or in binutils, or argentina, or #debian-ar on irc.oftc.net.
15:52<bremner>oops
15:52<gravity>:-)
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15:54<conchy1>Hallo
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16:15<retrospectacus>!qotd0
16:15<dpkg><nvz> think about it ffs <tak_2> ffs? <nvz> !ffs <dpkg> rumour has it, ffs is for fuck's sake, or for fine's sake. UCB's Fast File System, or [...] <tak_2> I need to download fast file system?
16:16<rybycy>hi, i have one question. Is there any way to see my debian in My Network Places on windows ?
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16:20<fedtx>Hi there, I'm having some troubles with my printer, i have an Epson stylus sx100 and it works fine only with OpenOffice, I can't print with other programs such as evince or gimp
16:20<retrospectacus>rybycy: your samba share?
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16:30<fedtx>Can anyone helps me, please?
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16:32<jordanm>!tell fedtx about as
16:32<jordanm>!tell fedtx about ask
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16:33<kop>!tell fedtx about errors
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16:35<rybycy>hi, i have one question. Is there any way to see my debian in My Network Places on windows ?
16:35<Maulkin>rybycy: sure, you need to install samba
16:35<Maulkin>!samba
16:35<dpkg>Samba is a Unix implementation of Windows file/print sharing (the SMB/CIFS protocol). Documentation resources: http://samba.org/samba/docs/ , http://wiki.samba.org/ . Backported Samba 3.4.8 packages for Lenny are available, ask me about <bpo>. http://samba.org/samba/docs/FAQ/ http://wiki.samba.org/index.php/Category:Category_FAQ http://samba.org/ #samba on irc.freenode.net. See also <swat>.
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16:37<gatinha>oi
16:37<xioxous>long question: does anyone have an example of how to use the #clear syntax as referenced here http://linux.die.net/man/5/apt.conf to replace the set of DPkg::Pre-Install-Pkgs options on the command line when using aptitude?
16:37<gatinha>alguém
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16:38<gatinha>bfgffr4fv
16:38<Maulkin>!br
16:38<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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17:00<b_52light>hi
17:00<b_52light>i'm following this http://wiki.debian.org/Wmii
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17:00<b_52light>but can get wmii to work
17:00<b_52light>when i do start x
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17:01<b_52light>i got wmii started but i can open any terminal or anything ?
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17:10<calum>Hi all. I need help setting up a device driver, I am running Lenny with ATI Radeon HD 4200 graphics card. The install went fine, now when I reboot my screen flickers several times then I get a message saying "failed to start x server, it is likely it is not configured properly." What can I do to fix this?
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17:13<chealer>calum: which install?
17:14<calum>chealer: I went to amd.com and downloaded the graphics card driver for ATI Mobility HD 4200. When I reboot the machine after installing my laptop's driver it flickers and then says it failed to start x
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17:15<chealer>calum: ask support from the vendor
17:16<kop>calum: Have you tried installing something debian pre-packages? (I don't know if there is one, but it sounds like it'd be in the non-free repos.)
17:17<calum>chealer:I managed to get it installed from amd's website before by running some command, something like fixvesa or similar. Now when I run it it says command not found
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17:17<calum>kop:I haven't installed any other packages before installing the driver itself
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17:17<ubuntu_>hello
17:18<ubuntu_>i am looking people from poland
17:18<vizor>hi guys, I have installed libgl1-nvidia-alternatives but how can I switch alternative to mesa's libgl?
17:18<sney>!pl
17:18<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, pl is polska -> #debian-pl (on irc.freenode.net). Also, pl is a common extension for perl scripts and is sometimes used as an abbreviation for "packet loss".
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17:18<chealer>calum: only software distributed by Debian is supported here.
17:19<old>ubuntu_: I'm from Poland.
17:19<ubuntu_>mam pytanko old, czy ta tym wbudowanym komunikatorze Gaim, mozna sie zalogowac do gg
17:20<calum>chealer:OK, I was just trying to remember some command which fixed it when it was previously installed. I typed something into the terminal and when I rebooted the driver worked fine
17:20<b_52light>ppl i'm having wmii : fatal couldn't open display
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17:56<test>hello to al, i have just installed the debian 5.0.5 (32bit), i have a problem with the mouse sometimes (3 times with 4 power on) stops working: is an optical usb one
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17:57<test>just the mouse, the ps2 keyboard works
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20:12<arlekin>holaaaaaaaaaaaaa
20:12<arlekin>hay alguien que hable español
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20:15<blarson>!es
20:15<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat
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20:15<dubert>#debian-mx
20:15<dubert>es*
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20:41<dotCOMmie>is it possible to build a 32bit kernel on a 64bit host using make-kpkg without chroot?
20:42<dotCOMmie>google is turning up conflicting answers
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20:43<dotCOMmie>linux32 make-kpkg and make-kpkg --cross-compile - --arch=i386 seem to do something else as I understan?
20:43<dubert>Out of curiosity, why don't you have chroot? <--- doesn't have an answer.
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20:45<dotCOMmie>I don't have a 32bit chroot env configured
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20:46<dubert>Oh =)
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20:48<dotCOMmie>maybe if I do linux32 make-kpkg --cross-compile - --arch=i386
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20:49<dotCOMmie>hhm while I figure this out I gues I should just fire of a compile on puny 32bit machine.. it might compile faster than me figuring this out
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20:52<dubert>From what I just read you may be able to modify the control file itself and build it from there while symlinking the correct libs.
20:52<dubert>But that's where I stopped
20:52<dotCOMmie>that also sounds awefully painfull
20:52<dotCOMmie>do you have a link?
20:53<dubert>Yeah
20:53<dubert>This almost seems like you asked the question
20:53<dubert>http://old.nabble.com/Compiling-kernel-%28i386%29-using-make-kpkg-td26186606.html
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21:02<jack3>hello
21:03<jack3>hi
21:03<dotCOMmie>dubert: I was looking at that thread but its full of maybes d:
21:04<dotCOMmie>jack3: hello
21:04<dotCOMmie>dubert: thanks for your help
21:04<dubert>dotCOMmie: It is, but I think the final thought about changing the control file would work.
21:04<jack3>guys
21:04<dubert>If you know anyone that does cross platform package building grandeur, lemme know :)
21:05<dubert>jack3: gals
21:05<dubert>Not me specifically, just being PC.
21:05<jack3>is there any msn chat in backtrack
21:05<jack3>i'm new
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21:06<abrotman>jack3: backtrack support is #backtrack-linux on irc.freenode.net
21:07<jack3>tanx abrotman
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21:17<dotCOMmie>dubert: so it installed after changing controll file
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21:17<dubert>dotCOMmie: Awesome
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21:18<dotCOMmie>I'll give it a shot as soon as the natice build finishes
21:18<dotCOMmie>and if it works I
21:18<dotCOMmie>and if it works I'll be happy
21:18<dubert>Ya totally, that'd be a kickass lil hack.
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21:30<selcofos>hello every one
21:30-!-seeker7 [~william@ip68-102-70-8.ks.ok.cox.net] has joined #debian
21:30<seeker7>i need to test something does anybody see this
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21:30<selcofos>i need some advice, perhaps any of you can help me with something....
21:31<seeker7>selcofos: what is it
21:31<selcofos>hi seeker
21:31<selcofos>i want to know
21:31<seeker7>selcofos: hi that tells me i am transmitting
21:31<selcofos>which flash player is the most popular around there
21:32<selcofos>i mean the USA
21:32<selcofos>not the macromedia/adobe one
21:32<seeker7>sorry would not have a clue i use adobe at work
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21:32<TCW>if no acoi related package is installed, could that be the reason for high power consumption in idle mode on a laptop?
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21:32<TCW>acpi even
21:33<selcofos>a netbook_
21:33<selcofos>?
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21:33<TCW>selcofos, nope... T43 IBM ThinkPad
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21:34<selcofos>do you have the disk temperature?
21:35<TCW>I have a T41 (9-11W idle) and this T43 (over 20W idle)
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21:35<dubert>With no acpi packages installed?
21:35<selcofos>no idea....
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21:36<dubert>I assume no oc board/chipset right? (Dunnow if the T series can even do that).
21:36<TCW>oops... not even smartsuite or hddtemp installed... one sec
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21:36<selcofos>hey
21:36<selcofos>in what range of time?
21:36<selcofos>those 20w
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21:37<selcofos>which krnl?
21:37<TCW>root@harpalyke:~# hddtemp /dev/sda
21:37<dubert>I think he meants he's idling at 20w with no surge during power consumption
21:38<selcofos>xd
21:38<TCW>/dev/sda: HTS541080G9AT00: 33°C
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21:38<TCW>2.6.32-5-686
21:39<selcofos>hpet enabled?
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21:39<dubert>Is there an option in your BIOS that says something like "Intellegient Power Use" <--- amibigous wording, but you get the point. I've seen some of my old servers that would be shipped with (something along those lines) turned off and it would run +10W through the ps.
21:40<selcofos>*duberts say> is the first option
21:40<selcofos>check that
21:41<TCW>and W(atts) is not time dependent, it is how much energy an electrical device consumes at a given moment. But batteries have Wh (watt * hour)
21:41<selcofos>forget about the hpet, in the t43 is automatic
21:41<TCW>selcofos, hpet would be a BIOS setting Iguess?
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21:42<selcofos>hpet is a krnl settin, deppendin of the krnl version
21:42<selcofos>and the intel chip version toto
21:42<selcofos>too
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21:42<selcofos>its a timer
21:43<TCW>selcofos, the bios power management options are fine and all set (like on the T41)
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21:43<selcofos>try this> #grep hpet /proc/timer_list
21:43<selcofos>if is enabled
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21:46<TCW>root@harpalyke:~# cat /sys/devices/platform/smapi/BAT0/power_now
21:46<TCW>-20729 <- 20,7W right now
21:47<selcofos>http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Talk:Code/tp_power_monitor.py
21:47<selcofos>its a power monitor
21:48<TCW>http://paste.debian.net/85301/ <- selcofos
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21:48<selcofos>force it
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21:48<selcofos>#hpet=force
21:49<selcofos>ill be right back
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22:08<seeker7>what is s.m.a.r.t.
22:09<abrotman>!smart
22:09<dpkg>somebody said smart was the opposite of stupid, or the opposite of straightforward and polite, or what I definitely am, or "Self-Monitoring, Analysis, and Reporting Technology" used by some hard drive manufacturers to detect imminent drive failure; ask me about <smartd>. SMART can also be unreliable. No reason to believe it blindly without further testing. http://research.google.com/archive/disk_failures.pdf
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22:11<dubert>Meh @ smart.
22:11<abrotman>he just asked what it was!
22:11<dubert>lol :P
22:12<dubert>Anyone here familiar with multi-architecture package building?
22:12<seeker7>abrotman: thanks
22:12<seeker7>abrotman: just had a warning at boot that it could not start that service so was just wondering
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22:45<cesurasean>Can someone help me use minicom to access a router?
22:46<cesurasean>is /dev/tty8 a COM port?
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22:46<abrotman>usually it's like /dev/ttyS0 or ttyS1
22:47<dubert>yes and yes.
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22:47<dubert>ttyS is your serial com port.
22:47<cesurasean>so /dev/tty8 is correct?
22:47<dubert>That is a com port yes.
22:47<cesurasean>what am i doing wrong that i cannot connect to the router?
22:48<cesurasean>do i need to use a cross over cable instead?
22:48<abrotman>cesurasean: do you have a ttyS* ?
22:48<dubert>I'm not sure, there's a lot going on there. your tty devices are enabled and you've restarted init right?
22:48<cesurasean>abrotman, what do you mean?
22:48<cesurasean>please explain bettere
22:48<abrotman>cesurasean: ls /dev/ttyS* .. is there anything there?
22:48<cesurasean>yes
22:49<cesurasean>S0, S1, S2, S3
22:49<abrotman>it's likely attached to one of those
22:49<dubert>Better yet abrotman, cat /etc/inittab | grep port-assigned-in-your-minicom-config
22:49<dubert>If that's there.
22:49<dubert>init q to restart init services.
22:49<dubert>lol I just did a cat pipe to grep. that was silly
22:49<cesurasean>when i start minicom, im starting it using "minicom router"
22:50<abrotman>wtf
22:50<cesurasean>is that the correct way to make it connect?
22:50<cesurasean>router was my config name
22:50<abrotman>cesurasean: you attached it via serial port?
22:50<cesurasean>no
22:50<dubert>How did you attach it?
22:50<cesurasean>ethernet to the console port on the router
22:51<abrotman>so wouldn't that be a telnet or something?
22:51<abrotman>doesn't the router have a manual ?
22:51<dubert>Wait you're trying to access the router over console?
22:51<cesurasean>yes
22:51<dubert>if that's the case, screen /dev/tty*WAHATEVER
22:51<cesurasean>over console
22:51<dubert>Screen through the device :)
22:51<cesurasean>huh
22:51<cesurasean>what do you mean screen through the device?
22:52<cesurasean>i want to connect to it!!!
22:52<dubert>You're trying to console into the router (console port on the router, not necessarily another ethernet port).
22:52<dubert>Right?
22:52<cesurasean>yes
22:52<cesurasean>and i connected the other end of the rj45 to my ethernet card on my linux machine
22:53<dubert>Okay. So what device is your ethernet card?
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22:53<cesurasean>not sure
22:53<cesurasean>AH
22:53<cesurasean>so i need to tell minicom to use my ehternet card
22:53<cesurasean>eh?
22:53<cesurasean>how do i find out my ethernet card device?
22:53<abrotman>cesurasean: this is the part where you read the manual for the router
22:53<abrotman>network devices don't have a device in /dev/
22:54<cesurasean>so, how do i do this?
22:54<abrotman>cesurasean: this is the part where you read the manual for the router
22:54<dubert>Grab a Serial Cable, a Console Adapter and have fun!
22:54<cesurasean>abrotman, ive done enough reading and really need some help!
22:54<abrotman>cesurasean: you don't even know what is answering on the other end
22:55<cesurasean>do i need more hardware to purchase?
22:55<abrotman>you need to read the freaking manual
22:55<dubert>But abrotman is right, you'll need to telnet into that console port. I misunderstood what you were saying earlier.
22:55<cesurasean>a serial / RJ45 connector'?
22:55<cesurasean>ok
22:55<cesurasean>how do i telnet if i don't know the box's IP?
22:56<abrotman>dubert: unnecessary
22:56<dubert>Which? :P
22:56<abrotman>cesurasean: okay .. seriously .. go read the manual, i'm sure it has a default IP
22:57<abrotman>cesurasean: normally you would do something like configure your NIC to be on the same network, telnet (or something) into the router and configure it
22:57<cesurasean>i cant seem to find the default ip addreess
22:57<cesurasean>anywhere!
22:57<dubert> abrotman: I'm pretty sure he's referring to a serial console port, that he's plugged in his rj45 cable to and trying to configure from there. Like the 3860's.
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22:58<cesurasean>no
22:58<cesurasean>the console is RJ45
22:58<abrotman>or he could read the manual and know what it is .. instead of us guessing .. he hasn't even told us what the router is
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22:58<abrotman>cesurasean: there is a #networking on irc.freenode.net
22:58<cesurasean>its a cisco 2500
22:58<dubert>lolz.
22:58<dubert>http://www.cisco.com/en/US/docs/routers/access/2500/2501/software/user/guide/atg.html
22:58<dubert>There ya go
22:58<abrotman>i'm not going to read it for him
22:59<dubert>I sent it for him, not you
22:59<cesurasean>ive been reading ALL day
22:59<cesurasean>i cant find out the ip address
22:59<abrotman>maybe hire a network admin ?
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23:00<cesurasean>no
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23:00<cesurasean>http://www.google.com/#hl=en&source=hp&q=telnet+cisco+2500&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=CuZMpzzVzTL-CBJDezASOrvX1DwAAAKoEBU_QwITp&fp=93c3c78db929eee0
23:00<dubert>I don't mean to be mean, but I just read half of that manual and it has the answer.
23:00<cesurasean>do you see many results telling you the IP?
23:00<cesurasean>i think not.
23:00<selcofos>blah
23:01<cesurasean>well, can you be nice and help me out?
23:01<cesurasean>isn't that the idea of this channel.
23:01<selcofos>be nice
23:01<abrotman>it's not a network port .. it's a serial port, you need an rj45-db9 converting cable
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23:01<cesurasean>im a newbie to routers, and im learning at the same time.
23:01<selcofos>being nice is overrated these days
23:01<abrotman>cesurasean: please go ask #networking on irc.freenode.net .. this isn't a Debian issue
23:01<cesurasean>ok
23:01<cesurasean>so its not an RJ45 cable
23:01<cesurasean>its a db9?
23:01<selcofos>omg
23:01<abrotman>RJ45 is a connector ..
23:01<selcofos>jajaja
23:01<selcofos>cable?
23:02<abrotman>selcofos: do you have a Debian question ?
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23:02<cesurasean>thanks guys
23:02<selcofos>yes, indeed
23:02<selcofos>but i see u guys are busy talking about rj45 cables....
23:02<abrotman>selcofos: do you have a Debian question ?
23:02<selcofos>i have
23:02<selcofos>i told u once
23:02<abrotman>we're waiting
23:02<dubert>Still the wattage issue?
23:03<selcofos>that wasnt me
23:03<dubert>My bad.
23:03<selcofos>i was helping that guy
23:03<dubert>:P
23:03<selcofos>and he left
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